Fake Doctors Classic: 121 My Sacrificial Clam with Neil Flynn

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, Donald Wow. And on a day when we have
Neil Flynn on, like, I'm all excited. I've been pounding
energy drinks and here I am. I'm ready to go.
And you know, Donald phase on, do you want to
tell everyone why you're so late? I made a mistake
and tried to download the new Apple whatever it is. Yeah,

(00:23):
the software two hours before. This computer it's pretty old.
It's a MacBook Pro. But it's an old computer. You know,
it's an older model of the MacBook Pro. Right, So
I am now twenty minutes later. Yeah, we got Neil Flynn.
He's like sitting in a holding room. Yeah, we put

(00:44):
him in the holding We put him all in the
holding cell. Yeah, we put Neil in a holding cell.
And he's just sitting there. He's probably gonna keep, probably
gonna walk out soon. I hope Neil doesn't walk out.
First of all, how's everybody doing. We were just chatting.
We had a great chat waiting for you. What were
you chatting about. We were talking about just our lives
and what's happening and how Joel has a huge Twitter following.

(01:07):
I didn't know about. Yeah, did this just happened because
of the podcasts? Are or novels. Joel, Joel, what's your handle?
We should we should blow it up even more. Yeah,
my handles at Joel Monique on the twitters and the instagrams.
And I was a writer before I came to you guys,
and I would do a lot of critiquing of like
television shows and movies. I think my Watchman interviews are

(01:29):
probably when I'm most famous for Toronto International Film Festival.
Just retweeted those yesterday. But yeah, come talk to me
about nerdy and political things. It's good times. Well, well
you're you're you're a Watchman fan? Oh fuck it? From
the graphic novel era. The TV show really killed it?
Did you not like the movie? The movie was my introduction,
and I find that it has some things that are

(01:50):
very intriguing and interesting about it, but overall, I don't
think it holds up to like the quality that is
the original graphic novel. Right, the graphic novel has more.
And I love the TV show Man. I thought that
was incredible and brilliant. They want a Peabody this morning
and so relevant to today when you see these when
you see what's a was happening in the news, And

(02:10):
also like cops with their face masks on. Um. I
can't but help but think of watching The Watchman. I
was like, wow, yeah, And I saw someone at an
article that was like, um, Watchman was just a few
months too early or something like that. Someone. Yeah, they
got it right, they got it right, they predicted it. Listen,
I would love to banter with you and tell you
how much I smell because I forgot to put on

(02:32):
deodorant and uh and I'm I'm glad that we're on
a zoom call, so you guys aren't offended. But we
got Neil Flint sitting all right. Well, then hold on,
watch a second. How about this fo six seven eight
stories about show? We made about a bunch of nurses
stories Yet here, yet here. You know, I don't think

(03:06):
that you deserve to five six seven eight when you're
this late. I did it already, so I know. But
I just want to submit to the to the to
the to the to the Scrubs podcast rule book that
you are when you're this late. You don't get to
five six seven eight, you're punished. When when did we
get a rule book? You know, when I was a kid,
I'm going to camp. I was so nerdy and this

(03:29):
was back in a day when they would let you
do this. But on the on the school bus to camp,
I would sit in the front seat and as the
bus mike. As the bus pulled in for each stop,
the bus driver would allow me to operate the mechanism
that opened up the school bus door, and I thought
I was the coolest mofo in the world as the

(03:50):
door operator. Now, this is my point, was that I
got in trouble one day at camp and the counselors
told the bus driver that I had been bad and
I was not allowed to operate rate the door that day,
and I was crushed. I was I sat and pounded,
and I just feel that that should be something like
your punishment. You don't get into five six seven eight

(04:10):
when you've been naughty. But I already five six seven eight.
I know. Wow, I'm just trying to lay down the rules.
Maybe Joel can can start to make like a Bible
of sorts of the rules of the show. Okay, how
old were you and all of this happened? This was
last year, and I'm just no, I don't know day camp.
How old you at day camp? Seven eighty? Shit? Well,

(04:32):
then yes, I can understand. I was five six seven eight. No,
I'm just kidding. All right, Let's bring in Neil Flynn. Dan.
Push the button, Ladies and gentlemen give it up. Four. Yeah, Hi,
Neil Flynn. How's it going going? Well? Excellent? Are he

(04:55):
is there? High? Neil? This is a Joel and I
think you met Dan briefly. Yes. I was teaching him
about computers and things like that. It's so good to
see you, man. It is good to see you too.
Donald's literally in the closet, good man, I am literally
in the closet. It started. It started Neil because it

(05:16):
was it was the best place for sound, because it
had all his clothes as a sound dampening thing. And
then he realized that he could hide from his family
in there. So he goes there sometimes even when we're
not recording the podcast, to escape his his children. This
is the this is the safest place in my house.
My kids don't find my clothes amusing or interesting enough
to want to hang out in the closet, so I

(05:38):
can't say I ever found my father's clothes amusing. Uh. Well,
any of your kids big enough to wear your clothes? Now? No?
I no? Thank good? Well, yeah, well, yeah, I have
an eighteen year old with us, but he doesn't necessarily
like the clothes I wear. He's more into that supreme

(05:59):
style and stuff like that. Me personally, I you know,
I've dumbed down my gear a little bit and now
I'm a golf shirt and shorts kind of guy. And
so what you see behind me, there's a bunch of
golf shirts and then my shorts are over there. That Neil,
that was your probably first and last tour ever of
Donald's clothes. Yeah, yeah, well you know you asked, but

(06:26):
I do. I do remember. I do remember when my
father's clothes became interesting to me and I wanted to
wear all of his gear. And I would go into
my dad's closet and take his shirts which were oversized
for me, which at the time was really cool. And
he had like a bunch of designer things that I didn't,
you know, he had like back in the day when
Jabbow was really popular, or you know, shirts like that.

(06:50):
And I remember going in his close Sergio Tacchini. Do
you remember those? No? I remember, No, I don't. I
was like the sweatsuit sweatsuit, okay, but I remember going
in his closet and taking a really expen shirt and
wearing it outside and ripping it and being like, oh shit,
my dad's gonna kill me. My dad's gonna kill me,
and uh having to tell him. And my dad didn't

(07:10):
come home all the time, right, So my dad would
leave in the morning and then come back maybe you
know three four days later. You know, that's just how
my dad rolls, um and and and uh. I remember
having to wait for him to come home to tell
him that I ripped one of his really expensive shirts.

(07:32):
And he wasn't too beat up about it, but I
remember the fear for three days I had to wait,
and you know, my mom being like, he's gonna kick
your ass and me being like, oh god. And then
like playing playing something stupid, like we were playing in
a on a jungle gym and we would play tag
where you couldn't touch the ground, and the jungle gym

(07:53):
was huge, was big enough for you to jump from
you know, the slide to you know, uh one of
the houses or wooden houses or something. Shit. You were
a kid, Yeah, I was a kid wearing my dad's
oversized expensive shirt. What made you think, like, you know what,
I'm gonna rock to the Jungle gym today is Dad's
expensive shirt. I just, you know, because everybody was wearing jabbow,

(08:17):
you know what I mean. And I thought, well, if
he has a shirt, I can go outside and I'll
have this really crisp and it was like and it
was fucked up to the fucked up thing was it
was like in plastic and had just come from the
cleaners and stuff. Kind of knew. I kind of knew,
like dude, right, and I made a mistake. It's one

(08:39):
of those things like I watched my kids now do
to shit where it's like, what were you thinking, why
would why would you even do something like that? And
their answers I don't know, And that was my answer too.
I don't know, yep, it's just impulsive, impulsive. My sister
went I went close shopping. I remember, I was in
like fourth grade and it was the height of I

(09:00):
don't know if you remember guest jeans. Um it was
like the height of guest jeans and for mostly for women.
I think at the time, I'm guessing because my sister
convinced me and my mom that I should wear guest
jeans as well in fourth grade and they were very uh,
you could always tell they were guest jeans because they
had a triangle on the on the back, on the
back jean pocket. So I thought, Okay, you know, I'm

(09:23):
not much of a style guy. I'm more of a
sweatpants T shirt kid, but you know, okay, I'll try
this out for a full day. I was bullied by
essentially the entire school. Children of all ages and grades
came by to point and laugh at me and my
guest jeens because they were considered like girl jeans or

(09:45):
a girl a girl and expensive I think they were.
They were like remember them being like fifty bucks or
maybe a hundred bucks whatever whatever they I mean, it
was like too expensive for a kid to have any way,
But I think it's fourth I don't know, I don't know.
I regret it to this day. I when Donald started
talking about his his story, I felt the pain in

(10:05):
my heart from literally the It's like it's like it's
like what's his name on on the Simpsons going Hey,
it was literally that for a full day of school.
So then I go home. I go home in tears
and I tell my mom, like, I hate these jeans.
I'm so everyone made fun of me all day long,
and I fucking hate these jeans. And she was like, well,

(10:25):
you know we're gonna do Zach. Those stream teens are
perfectly fine. We're gonna take my little stitch cutter and
we're gonna cut the triangle off off the pocket. Well
she did that, and they still had the marking of
where the triangle was. Yeah, now you have some sort
of knockoffs, Jean. Yeah exactly, but yeah it's worse exactly, Neil.

(10:50):
Now I'm wearing black Market guest Team. Well, he'll thank
you for coming on. We Donald and I started started
doing this silly little thing, and both of us, Um,
when we post about it on Instagram and Twitter, I
would say that like sixty percent of the comments people
are right, right or when are you having Neil Flynn
on Um, So you are very beloved by beloved or

(11:13):
beloved by either one by the people, either one. It's
like divisive and divisive. All of a sudden, divisive became
divisive because that's how Barack Obama pronounced it. Really Yeah,
people say divisive. I'd never heard it pronounced that way
before Obama. Well you know, if Obama said it happened. Yeah.

(11:33):
Now I'm switching up. I'm switching a few years. It's
a few years late, but I'm changing, switching it up,
switching it up. If he starts wearing Jabo shirts, that's
what he probably does wear guest jeans, though he's a
stylish guy. I don't know if they're still in style anymore.
I don't know if. Yeah, I'm not sure how big guessing.
I don't think I know somewhere, somebody the CEO of
guesses like, we're still at here, We're still We're gonna

(11:58):
get Donald and I are going to get send guests
Geene in the mail, because sometimes when we mentioned things
on here, we get set in the mail. I got
a care package from Omission. I have to tell him, Neil,
that's really lame in Hollywood to say, but I don't
eat gluten, and but I love beer. And so there's
a really good pale ale called Omission, which I mentioned
because we were all talking about beer. They set me
not only a beautiful care package of Omission beer, but

(12:20):
an Omission backpack. I've yet to receive any of this.
When you come to school in the backpack, I'm going
to make fun of you. I've got a Mission backpack.
You're gonna be like, Zach, please tell me you're not
wearing a gluten free beer backpack. I don't really even

(12:41):
know what that is. Gluten, but I think you can
get away with not even gluten in Hollywood. Yeah you can.
It's just when I this podcast has listened all over
the world, whenever I mentioned it, I cringe because I
know people are like, oh, what a Hollywood tool. You know.
I thought that sparkling water was universal. You go places
in like Texas and you'll be like, can I get

(13:04):
some sparkling water? And they're like, we don't have that.
You can say club soda. Maybe I went to someplace
and they were like, we do have club soda. Yes,
what's the clubference between club soda and sparkling water? Does
anybody know club soda is carbon and sparkling water is sodium?
If I if I'm no, no, Neil knows. No, You're right,

(13:24):
I have a cat. Okay, And of course they listen
when you're saying no, yeah, but he's oh, you were
saying no to the cat. I thought you were. I
thought you were heavily. I thought you were very clearly
opining on Donald's no, no, no no. And then I
was waiting for you to go into your explanation, but
you never Just no, don't go and try to give

(13:49):
me that club soda story. All right, Wait, Joel is
letting us know. Club soda is artificially infused with carbon
and mineral salts. Similarly, seltzer is artificially carbonated but generally
does not contain any added minerals. Sparkling mineral water, on
the other hand, is naturally carbonated from a spring or well,
how was something naturally carbonated? I don't know, dude, carbon

(14:13):
gets into it? I don't know. Yeah, I guess. Well
that was a very thorough explanation, but I still don't
understand it. I feel like you custom cut and pasted
that though from she and just freehand type that she
just got it off the web, you know, speaking of
places that don't have things. We're in some backwoods plays

(14:34):
touring with a show and we stopped it kind of
a dairy queen type of thing, but sort of in
love a forest for some reason. And one of the
girls with us, she's going to get a cheeseburger. She says,
what kind of cheese do you have? I think it's
somewhere in Michigan. And the person literally goes cheese. It's square,

(14:56):
it's orange, and it's fa That person went home and
told her family, you wouldn't believe what this girl, I
made a kind of cheese. It's it's cheese. So all right, Neil,

(15:18):
I was gonna do it. No, you do it, you
do it? No, no, no, go ahead. I was just
gonna be. I was just gonna be like, I was
just gonna say this, Neil, You're one of the few
people in the history of television. There's like a handful
of people that went from a show that ran for
eight years to a show that ran for eleven years.

(15:39):
What did the middle eleven nine to a nine year
seventeen years? Seventeen years straight on television? Man? And that
actually and then actually, Neil, you went onto another show
right away, right, So you did eight and then that
one didn't last, right, But you did eighteen years in
a row on TV. Yeah, yes, that might be a
record that You've got to be on a very short list.
It has to be baby show. But if they're whatever

(16:02):
the list is, however long it is, I am the
least famous person on it. That's not true. I disagree.
I disagree. No, that's true, but it's just well, you know,
I was trying for a long time before Scrubs came along,
and then I finally the door opened, you know, and
I got let into the party, and luckily enough, I

(16:25):
just stayed. Now tell us Neil, that's a good segue
into because whenever we have the cast members on, we
try and we've all sort of told our stories of
how he got on the show, and Bills sold a
really funny story about you and which I'll let you
tell or your version of it, because he was talking
about how you initially read for Cox and and then
when he said you wanted to be the janitor, you

(16:45):
said something like, but I'll still have a stethoscope, right
or something. Yeah, Well, Build tends to doing Belish's story.
Oh really yeah, over time. I know if you were
to Build, if you've heard a Bill story like at
the beginning, and then what it's like in two years,
it's it's like the ultimate game of telephone. It's become

(17:06):
something exaggerated. But yes, and I thought before, what kind
of person just takes his story and changes it improves it?
Possibly a comedy writer. It kind of makes sense. But
you know what was going on for you before, like
what were you up to you before Scrubs? And then
how did you come to be on Scrubs? Well, I
kind of just say you had done a bunch of

(17:27):
movies though in Chicago and stuff like that, small parts, small,
nothing of any significance. But the baseball movie that you did.
You were one of the key players in that in
that movie Rookie of the Years, correct, right right? And yeah,
the out part in Major League as well. I was
doing baseball movies only, you know, I went into not

(17:51):
even read, but years ago whenever they would have made
eight men out. I somehow got a chance to be
one of the baseball players. And I went in and
she said, so do you a baseball I said yeah.
She said do you really? You know, like she pushed me.
I said, well, it's not like I could have been
a pro, you know, And I saw her face fall.
She lost interest in media. I'm twenty five years old.

(18:12):
If I could have been a pro, i'd be a pro.
And then I see the movie and there's the baseball
players they're playing catch. Yeah, it sounds like doing the
movie growing the ball back and forth. We we only
got pros for this, you know, anyway. So I wasn't
in that Baseball movie, but I was just doing little
little parts of you Can Get I was starting to

(18:34):
get star on things a little bit, and uh, and
then this came up. I actually, I feel like I've
told this story before. It's okay to repeat yourself. Yes, yeah, man,
are our fans might not know it, and I'm sure
they'll love the story. Okay. I was doing guest stars
on things, and where's the first half of my career.
I'd been kind of a straight actor, kind of a

(18:57):
drama leaning drifted over onto the comedy side, and thank
goodness I did, because that's where things opened up. I
had done an episode of Drew Carey and Krista Miller
was on that show, and shortly afterwards friends of mine
said that they're going out to dinner with Chris Miller
and her new husband, who turns out was Bill Lawrence.

(19:17):
And I said, years ago, I met a Bill Lawrence.
We played on the same basketball team out here right
before I left and went back to Chicago, and he
was the same guy, and so we you know, I
went to their house for drinks or whatever. And then
within a month or two he had this show that
he had created, and so I got called in and

(19:40):
I said, thanks for calling me in. He said, I didn't.
I didn't give him your name. They because the same
people that directed to Drew Carey, I think cast Scrubs. Anyways,
So then I read the doctor Cox and he said
that was good. You're not going to get this part.
I already know who I'm going to give it to.
I said, oh, well, that's you know, fair enough, and
he says, but you want to read this. He hands

(20:01):
me two pages and it's the scene with the janitor
and JD at the door, and he goes, good, you
want to do that? So sure you know it's a job.
As a job, that's all I've been doing. It's five
hundred bucks or whatever it is for the day. And
and then I think what was significant is between doing
the pilot and that's all I was promised the janitor

(20:23):
wasn't going to do anything else. Bill came to and
saw an imple prov show that I did, and he
enjoyed it and learned I don't know that I could
think on my feet, and I think this made all
the difference that probably the first scene of the next

(20:45):
episode when the show got picked up we rehearsed it,
he goes, yeah, good, and then if you think of
something else, just throw it in, do it, do it?
Take that or we would goof around in rehearsal. You
would say good, keep that remember. And so that for me,
considering it was a pretty small part. That was uh,
that made all the difference if I got to have

(21:06):
such latitude. What was amazing for for me watching you
was Bill's respect for how understandably for how funny you were,
because you know, with everyone else, he would, you know,
the rule on Scrubs was kind of like, okay, you know,
make sure you get it as written, and then if
you guys have time, you can you can mess around

(21:27):
a little bit. And and and and you know, and
and and and we all did that. We all would
would come up with stuff. But with Neil, Bill would
just be like, all right, Neil, you can make something
funnier than this, So what do you what do you
want to say? And and and invariably Neil would just
come out and sometimes they were long and like and
and Bill would put them in, but they were I mean, Neil,
I you know, all my stuff was with you the

(21:47):
first season, and I just I don't think I ever last. Sorry,
that's what I meant to say. I was just I'd
never really worked with anyone like that. I never worked
I mean, I was so blown away by you because
I had never I mean it was my first big job, obviously,
but even in my other stuff I had done, I
had never worked with someone who could think so quickly
on their feet and would just be adding stuff that was,
with all due respect to Bill, even finalier than what

(22:09):
was written on the page. And Bill said, if it's
funnier than what I wrote, that's fine. People will think
I wrote it. Yeah, So he was fine with that. Yeah,
Well I appreciate that compliment. And it was a I think,
very rare a situation that that unfolded the way it did.

(22:29):
And when when that show ended and they went on
to the middle, I said, well, this is great. The
only the only bad part will be if they're sticklers
about the script, because I'm not used to that, and
they were sticklers about this, and I had a lot
more to say. That must have been so frustrating for you,
because I mean, I just can't one thing about Bill.
We always joke about his ego and how competitive he is,

(22:51):
but he really always he was very open to people contributing.
That's not to say, you know, he was the editor ultimately,
and he would decide what was in and what wasn't.
And sometimes we thought stuff was hilarious that he wouldn't
use it. But he was very open to everybody collaborating.
And then it's like Neil said, he goes on to
another show and they're like, great, we just want you
to say exactly what's written, and you can't. You know,

(23:13):
if I hear that story and I go, what were
you thinking? I mean, you you contributed so much to
the humor of Scrubs. I just can't believe. It's like
not letting a racehorse run. Well, you know, the difference
if it's a racehorse is running around and someone says, okay,
I can see that you're very fast. This is a farm,

(23:35):
we need you to pull that plot running gets it.
The difference is the tone of the show. Our Scrubs,
even though it had it's nice, uh you know, it
could turn on a dime and be heartfelt and sincere
in that. Other than that, and much of it, it
wasn't very grounded. It was well, all the fantasies and stuff.

(23:55):
I mean it was very and the janitor could have
turned out to be a Martian. Okay, sure, I guess true.
I was playing a family man in Indiana. You can't
just say crazy things right right right where where one
of your specialties was just I remember that Bill told
the story about you getting one thing you improved that

(24:18):
he kept all in about getting into a fight with
a with a chicken. Do you remember that? Yeah, it
was a duck, I think, and a duck. I think
I feel like that was written or partly written or
mostly written, and I might have gone off a little bit,
but I think I think the start of it may
have been. But as I recall you, as you did
so many times hilariously, would just go off with it.
And so, you know, a lot of times we'd be like,

(24:39):
this is hilarious. I don't know if Bill's gonna put
this in the show or not, but on set we're
all fucking cracking up. And then and then it almost
invariably you'd see the episode cut together, it would be
in there. I remember one of my favorite I mean,
you and I had some I mean, I'm not just
saying this because you're here, man, I I genuinely think
and no offense. Donald, I love you to death, but
I thought, I genuinely think you You've probably made me
laugh harder than anyone and else on earth. Well wow, okay,

(25:03):
then I remember I remember an episode and they wound
up changing the episode. But the storyline between the two
of you was about a piece of fruit and that
you had never tried before, that that the janitor had
never tried before. And the whole storyline was you finally

(25:25):
getting this fruit at the end of the show and
tasting the fruit, and and I don't remember where it
went after that, but I just remember you doing a
bunch of really funny things about fruit, and then they
changed it to like a scooter or some shit like that.
I don't know what it was. Oh, you know, remember this.
This reminds me yesterday because Zach sent me an episode

(25:47):
of this thing to listen to with John McGinley. Yeah,
and Nick came up, what episode wasn't the Janitor in? Yes? Yeah?
Was that that episode? It's called what is it? Cups? Yes,
I think, because there was an outtake of me wiping
out on a scooter coming in the front door of
the hospital, but that had never aired because I was

(26:10):
that was the first season, and I was edited out
of it. And that's the only time that happened. Yeah,
I knew it. I knew, I knew, I knew as
the worst memory in the world, remembered something because I thought,
I thought the story was so funny. The fruit story
was so funny, and it was like a peach or
a p and you kept improvising different fruits when you
were telling that story. I have and I still have

(26:32):
no memory whatsoever of a fruit and a plot line
about fruit because I wasn't in it, so I blocked
it out of spite, Neil. One of my favorite I
have two favorite moments that always come into mind when
I think of laughing with you. The first is um

(26:53):
in the Wizard of Oz episode when you and I
did this whole long riff about um about seeing a
manatee on the hospital and then you said, um, I said,
is there some sort of underground canal system or something?
I think I think I saw a manatee And you said,
was his name Julian? And then I said, I don't know.

(27:16):
We didn't exchange pleasant tries, and you go, that's Julian.
That was good, I feel like was the writers, though
I don't know. No, no, you made that up. That
was all me and you just being silly again. It
was one of those things where we were like, I
don't think this is ever going to be in the show,
but we were just cracking each other up about there's
a manatee under the hospital and has a name, and

(27:38):
you you're familiar with his his social behavior. This is
what I'm talking about being able to wing it. Yeah.
I couldn't have thrown that in on the middle. I
was working on Corey Mike. It was good. There's a
many lives underground and the other I know, the other
one that you yeah, you do, go ahead. Uh it's uh,

(28:02):
it's it's this. It's finger thumb finger if you if
you guys want to watch on the on the scrubs
gag reel flipper reel that you can find on YouTube.
I forgot what season it is. But Neil, the janitor
as wife had made me scrubs short shorts and um
and he's like, look, I really want you to wear

(28:22):
these to work, and I'm like I'm like, I'm I'm
a I'm a doctor. I can't wear short shorts to work.
Scrubs cut off really high. Yeah, so high, like my
balls would have hung out of them. And then Neil goes,
the good Lord didn't bless my wife with all ten fingers.
She only has pointer on one hand and thumb pinky

(28:44):
on the other, meaning that that that that it had
been really hard for her to make these short shorts,
and I was disrespecting her if I didn't wear them.
And I just couldn't make it through. I could not
make it through with with Neil going pointer and thumb pinky. That's,
by the way I life. That probably doesn't exist. No, yeah,
she didn't. She didn't exist because you get married at

(29:05):
the end of the at the end of this true,
that's true. And Neil, you know, Neil, we've been joking
this first season. It's down like, you know, we haven't
seen these in twenty years, and as I'm sure you haven't.
And you know Bill, you know one of the Bill
is ms that he always says is you know, I
was debating season one if the Janitor was just gonna
be a figment of JD's imagination. Well, every episode we

(29:27):
go through, for the most part, we see little moments
where the Janitor does interact with other people, and and
every time we bring it up to Bill. We're like, so, yeah,
you're holding onto that. But you know, you know in
this episode, the janitor, you know, for example, in this one,
he offers two baseball tickets. Sorry Franklin, godbetter, who's our
who is one of our assistant directors is playing the

(29:48):
the the actor who sees Neil with the two tickets
and says I'll go and and Neil's like, not you.
And it's like another example of like, okay, well then
other people will see the janitor. Bill, I watched that yesterday,
that that was a moment that was added to the
script that wasn't in there. Yeah, and that you part

(30:10):
for Franklin. I think that might be the phone one
of the only times. I mean you might now he
dressed up like the bunny. Remember Franklin dressed up like
a bunny. No, I'm not I'm not saying that Franklin
wasn't in the show more. I'm saying where it's a
really funny moment where Neil goes, uh, what what do
you want to what do you want to go to
a baseball game and have popcorn? And then Gig walks

(30:31):
away like stopped messing with me. And then he pulls
the two tickets out of his shirt. He's like, the
last time I reach out, and I was laughing out loud, going,
do you think that's the only time in Scrub's history
that the janitor river like made a genuine appeal to Jad?
You know what if watching that, I thought, I don't
think I played that right because I said it very sarcastically.

(30:54):
So of course you walked away. You know, we don't
want to do go to a baseball game and we
get up, But I probably should have said, well, would
you like to go to a baseball game with me?
And we can share popcorn? I mean, it's something that
sounds a little more sincere, right, But j D had
to you know, it had to be on the line
because j D had to be like, stop sucking with me,
roll his eyes and walk away, right, Or maybe the

(31:16):
janitor just has no skill that offering an invitation, they
all come out very shark cast Would you like to
come to a party with me? I guess would you
marry me? Please? So what was the troop that you
were doing improv with Neil that Bill saw you Early

(31:38):
in the early days, we were called beer shark mice,
and it was that the Io West, which no longer
exists a theater, but we must have done it for
as it turns out, eighteen years something like that. It
was crazy. Wow you throughout the names real quick. Pete Honey,
Dave Keckner, Pat Finn, Mike Coleman, Paul Valancourt. I hope

(32:03):
I didn't forget anybody. Um when I first moved out here,
removed out here after five years in Chicago. We had
been doing it out of theater in Chicago, not the
same group, but all those individuals with difference, and he
only put just put a group together out here when
they Sharon, who owns it, opened up a branch out here,

(32:26):
and we all had a virtually nothing to do. Nobody's
career was rolling, and so that's what that's what we
did all the time. That was maybe nine What was that?
Was there a specific game or that you guys would
play or structure of your improv Uh no, not really,
but we didn't do games. That's a different approach. It

(32:49):
was there's something called a herald that is a long form.
We would get out there, take his guest and go
for a half hour, and we didn't do that, but
it was along those lines to just take a suggestion
and then the audience has done particular that's amazing. He
just roll for half hour. It was a good group
and it was it's not necessarily dead now, but it

(33:13):
was great fun and a great thing to do, and
I enjoyed doing it. And then after a while sometimes
I still want to do do a show and I say,
you know, I'm closing in at sixty years old. I
don't think I was twenty five. I wasn't interested in
saying sixty year olds entertained me in any way. Oh,
I have no doubt that you would sell out man. People.

(33:36):
People love seeing you, and you were so good at it.
I mean I remember thinking that when we're doing Scrubs,
that that just cracking up at the stuff you would
come up with and going out. I would love to
go see one of your IMPROPM shows when we may
have gone when we were involved or no, just maybe
he came with when we were doing when we were
doing scrubs. Were you doing this show too? What are

(33:57):
you doing the improp show? Okay, I feel like I
must have come once, but I don't think you did
because I didn't, you know, feel strongly about this, but
people had heard that this was going on, and it
went on for all the years of the Scrubs, and
so people would often I thought, if they're just striking
up a conversation or or being you know, they really

(34:19):
meant it when you do that, show you here's what time.
And it became like for the literally like for the
fiftieth time, I'm saying to somebody Saturday and at eight
o'clock Io Theater, and as far as I recall, no
one ever came. So I got tired of being asked.
You know what I mean. I didn't need Yeah, I
don't need anybody to come, but the house is fault.

(34:40):
I saw a video or something I saw. Yeah, that's
what we did. We saw a video. Bill showed us
a video. Maybe that's what it was. Bill sort of
was showing us a video of you. And because I
feel like I have a somewhere in my brain remember yeah,
and it was you and somebody on stage and it
was like, uh, where you were a drill not a
drill sergeant, but something like that, where you were an

(35:01):
army and I just remember it a long time. It
was it was you remember that improv from twenty years ago? Right, Yeah,
that's uh, no one ever. Maybe it's possible, but pretty
much you never remember seeing you did. Someone will say,
I sho you guys numbervide once you were a firement
and I don't. I don't remembering that. Um. Shall we

(35:25):
get into the show, so, Neil, what we do is
we just kind of talk through the episode and point
out things that made us laugh or or or or
just any thoughts we have. But we should probably take
a break, right Joel, Alright, a break, Neil. This is
a real show. We have commercials and shit, I know
I heard. I'm very impressed. Yes, no joking around when
it comes to being real, right, Donald, I mean, now

(35:49):
this is the real deal. This is like a real
radio show. Well I mean a real podcast, a real podcast. Yeah, yeah,
that's how you want to all right, tell the people
will be right back, Donald, you already did. Okay, we'll
be right back. Alrighty, we're back. We're back back with

(36:10):
Neil Flynn. Everybody the people spoke, they said Neil Flynn,
Bring on Neil Flynn, and we got him. Has everybody
else been here? You are? No, Ken has not been
on the show, Jenkins, but we've had the other lead
cast members Yeah, we had Judy on, We've had Johnny on,
We've had Sarah on. We now have you on. We
had nil on, Chris Dun you know, speaking of Ken Jenkins,

(36:35):
I am just but you know when we started the
show who he was the old guy? Yeah, without you,
no offense, but clearly Yeah, it's how we thought of him,
and you even more than I because you're younger than
I am. I'm almost that age, You're almost the age months. Yes,
I'm months away. And I think Johnny SE's a little

(36:56):
older than me, so I think he probably is that age. Yeah. Wow,
I haven't sense so I haven't seen well. The last
time I saw him was when we did the uh
the reunion thing. It looked great and he looked amazing. Yeah,
I want to get him to come on this. When
we did some we had some sort of group email
about hey, do you guys want to do X, Y
or Z and and everyone was like sure, sure, sure,

(37:17):
you know, we we almost all always say yes because
it means we get to all get together and have
a drink and make each other laugh. And and Ken
was like, I'm moving. I I've got a lot going on,
And I was like, my feelings were. I mean, I
know it wasn't personal, but I was all like, Ken,
you know you can. You can take a couple hours
off from moving and comes out hide to us. But
I got a lot going on. I got ship to do.

(37:39):
It sounds just sounds like work. I got shipped to do.
And and it was kind of a Kirk goodbye. It
was like it was like very Kelso it was like,
but good to hear from you all. I remember that.
But I find it interesting that it was an email
and you've put a voice to it. Of all. The

(38:01):
funny thing is about like people always ask you, like
what people what people cast members are like? And I
said the most different from his character was Ken Jenkins
because he was the sweetest man you ever met in
your whole life, and he was playing this you know,
tough jerk. Yes, And I noticed that on the episode
that it was early on obviously the first season, and
everyone was still a little bit one dimensional. I don't

(38:24):
want to say that's not exactly true, but Ken was.
I'm like, look how mean Ken is being? Like in
the pilot when he turned into a demon for a minute,
he was still in that mode. Yeah, well, I guess
watch sport nobody cares that sort of thing. By the end,
he was like this kindly old doddering man having a

(38:46):
nice muffin. Yeah, and also at the bar in the Bahamas,
like you know, he became I think Bill finally, like
Evel one episode early on here in season one, we
showed that back he back in the day, used to
write love songs on the guitar to his wife. I
think Bill was beginning to plant seeds of him having
a softer side. But you're right by the end of

(39:06):
the season. By the end of the show, he's he
was a sweetheart or more of a start and uh
like Ted was sort of his best friend, wasn't here
of the show? Yeah, and this one he calls him Ned.
Finally he's still all these years that we assume that
that Ted has been working for him, he still doesn't

(39:27):
know his name. He calls him Ned. Yeah, but that
went away. I mean, yeah, they became kind of buddies. Yeah.
I found it very crazy. I thought it was crazy
that Ted has been plotting against Kelso yeah, so long
he's hired a hit man. He's hired, right, He's like,
I know a hit man. Yeah, you and I we
can do it. That was a really funny part of
this episode where we have that long, uncomfortable laugh and

(39:50):
because he mentions that he knows a guy who can
end it all, and then we have that long, uncomfortable
laugh and then he's like, no, seriously, just one phone call.
One phone call. So that means that Sammy as Sam
ted Ted, has found Ah. He's got a hit man
ready to go whenever the time is right, right right.
He just needs somebody to he needs somebody and be like, no,
you're right, we should kill this fucker. It just means it, yeah,

(40:12):
someone second, the emotion it was. I hadn't seen Sam's
face since he passed away, and it was nice, but
you know, strange, see Sam, Yeah, man, we've been we've
been talking about that on the podcast and how obviously
it's caused me to look even closer at his work

(40:33):
on the show and just how incredibly funny he was.
We recently just watched an episode where he and Judy.
I don't know if you remember this one, Neil or
he and Judy serenade a patient and seeing this beautiful
harmony together and it was so moving. I mean obviously
because he passed away, but it just it just really
it just really just drove it home. How how incredibly

(40:54):
talented a guy he was. Yeah, that was his character
added a nice came in handy. You know, the so
many shows that succeed, I think build a world of
supporting characters and that you can go to or just
like probably number one would be The Simpsons. They have
like a poster and there's two hundred recognizable characters in

(41:17):
the Yeah. Of course, give me thirty years and maybe
I could do that too with a TV show. They've
had a lot of time to characters. But but Scrubbs
did a good job of that. Yeah, and you know Bill,
Bill always called him his assassins. Those people like you
know Bob Clendenen, or Matt Winston or or or Phil
Lewis who played Hooch who became Rob Mascio who be Kate.

(41:42):
Well Rob had a bigger part than those guys. But
I mean just mean, like you know, think about Phil
Lewis who came on and would do I don't know
how many episodes he did total, but he's directing now, yeah, yeah,
he's yeah, he's he's doing very well as a Yeah,
I mean I don't know if if this happens to you, Donald.
But I'll be walking down the street and people like, hey,
love on the show, which is crazy, and it's like

(42:02):
it's like a little slogan about Phil Lewis's character, and
he must have done like a handful. I mean, that's
the amount of influence. Sorry, that's the amount of impact
he had on fans because they were just like they
loved him so much. Well, remember it started off as
Turner and Hooch, where Tom Hanks's brother came on as
Turner and Phil Lewis played Hooch and they had this
whole little adventure that they went on together as Turner

(42:23):
and Hooch in the hospital they got. Yeah, they somehow
got paired together. One of them was a medical doc
and one of them was a surgeon, and they would
tag team a bunch of patients. Right, and if it
was elaborate way for the writers to get a Turner
and Hooch joke, right, But they got Tom Hanks's brother
to play the Turner character just like in the movie. Right,

(42:44):
And then somehow it turned into this whole story with
Phil coming back as this crazy ass doctor. But when
it originally happens, the two of them are you know
he's not crazy or anything like that. Then it turned
into it turned into us joking around like, oh, who's
just crazy? Who's just so crazy? And then by the

(43:04):
end of it is not who he's genuinely crazy. People
people love that, but no, no, no, not joking. Who
is fucking dangerous? Yeah? Like and then and then there
was an episode where you put like someone was that me?
Or you put Bully on cubes in the shower head? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
who who's funny? Y'all put Bully on cost in the

(43:26):
shower and we're sitting there shy like he's like he's
like him with him with the crack lighter that goes
like you know, that's a very popular gift. I always
use which with like a six inch lighter flame. Yeah.
By the way, I remember a funny thing about Tom
Hanks's brother who was on the show. He did the

(43:48):
voice for one of the toy story things, not not
the not the movies, but like I don't know if
it was like a book or or something. Yeah, something
that Tom Hanks couldn't be bothered to do, and he
he had a similar voice, so so he would just
throw him you know, I guess being generous to his brother,
like here, you do some of this stuff, and uh,
and I just remember learning for the first time that

(44:09):
then you know that he that he did some of
the non movie stuff. That's amazing little trivia for you
out there, just a little trivia. Elliot is into some
kinky stuff, right, I mean, I just realized that is
this a runner through the series. This episode opens up
with her talking to Scott Folly about um being wanting
to be called a bad girl, and they're gonna go
shopping or stop by her house for a schoolgirl outfit.

(44:31):
And then I still started thinking about all these times
in the in the series where Elliot's got some some
some some kink. She likes the role play, Yeah, she
likes it, the dirty stuff. She like the dirty talk.
I think that's even one of my lines in the show.
Oh she like a the dirty Talk episode. No, not
in this episode, but like later on in the series,

(44:52):
I know, I say something, and then later on when
she and Folly are making out, she's like say, um, intercourse,
like she's got these weird kings. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's that's that's I Yeah. I remember there was one
where I was like an apple thief. I had to
be dressed. I was a part of one of their
I don't know if that was a fantasy or if

(45:13):
it was real, but there was one where she climbed
up on top of me on a on one of
the table, on a surgical table. Yeah that was fantasy though,
that was a fantasy. Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. Do
you remember she had a nurse thing like a Red
Cross things and they had to in post they had
to change it to green because no, you don't use

(45:34):
the Red crosses. Oh that's funny. That's a little bit
of trivia. Right, you can't have sex on a surgical
table with the Red Cross album. We're not going to
approve that. But if you got the Green one, which
is the medical marijuana one, it's all yeah, it's all good. Now,
it's funny. The Green Cross in the UK just means

(45:56):
pharmacy or normal pharmacy. And now that you live in
we live in California for those of you don't have dispensaries.
Wherever you are, everywhere there's a medical dispensary, recreational or
or medical, it's the Green Cross. So it's funny. When
I first moved and spend some time in London. I
was like, Wow, they have a lot of dispensaries on
every corner. I laughed out loud at Alma right bringing Hey,

(46:21):
I hope let's make this quick. I got tickets to
Bringing a Noise, Bringing the Funking. I don't want to
miss the Noise Loma. She had a couple of good
lines in that episode. Yeah, she really does. She really
does nail it every time. Now, like you, you're absolutely

(46:41):
right about the cast of characters that came after the
Core seven. You know what I mean. It's like everyone
always seemed to nail their jokes, you know what I mean.
And and and it's it's a I don't know if
Bill had a thing where it's like, if you didn't
nail the jokes, she didn't come back. But that is
kind of the thing. If you're not funny, you're not

(47:02):
coming back. I would love to know the people that
he had. We don't want to we don't want to out. Oh,
I'm not going to put on this is conversation to
have with him, no one at another time. But I
would know. But I mean, you can know in your
head there were there were people that that could have
easily what happened with Neil is is the ultimate example.
Neil Neil was in the pilot and Bill was like,

(47:23):
I'm making this guy series regular, Whereas whereas there's people
who did one or two and he's like, all right,
well it was nice meeting you. Yeah, what about you
skipped something? And I wanted to talk to you about it?
When when Judy touches your belly and goes blink and
who she goes, who's your new friend? I didn't. I didn't.
I didn't want to that. Oh you wanted to skip that?

(47:44):
I didn't want to skip it. But you know, I
when I when I was watching the show, I was like,
and this is where my eating habits changed, you know
what I mean? Like, But but I have a question
because I think it's just a story point. Because when
they cut to you later running with Johnny C and
you're in the gym, you look fit as hell. So
this didn't come out of the writers being like, oh,
Donald's gained a few did it? Listen? Listen back then?

(48:08):
I was one hundred and seventy five pounds when we
started the show, right right, I got up to a
hundred and ninety pounds, and everybody I could feel the
you know, where my clothes didn't fit the same and
everything like that. Yeah, around season one, you know, you
get comfortable when you're working and stuff like that, and

(48:29):
I remember thinking, you know, wow, I guess I look
big on camera now. And you know, I remember dieting
and doing all of these things right, and at one point, I,
you know, I guess I gained some weight. But this
was this became an issue for me as time went on,
where I didn't think about weight up until Scrubbs, Like,

(48:51):
I didn't give a shit about how I looked or
how I was perceived. I didn't, you know, I just
I ate what I wanted to and you know, I
worked out a ship ton. But then all of a
sudden it became okay, no, you have to work to
maintain this weight for the show or it's gonna be
in script. And people, wait, So did anyone ever say

(49:11):
anything to you like you need to lose weight? No?
But I once heard, and I'm gonna call Sarah out
on this, but I once heard Sarah. You know, while
we were filming talking to a bunch of people like yo,
somebody hit me up on a chat line and was like, yo,
is Donald Fazon on a Krispy Kreme diet and I
was like yo, and I remember being like, yeah, I

(49:32):
am on a Krispy Kreme diet, but it gives a shit, dude.
It's funny because the story of Turk in the show
is that doctors get so busy they don't have time
to exercise, their their stress eating, and it's kind of
what happened to you as an actor on the show.
We had crazy hours. There's a giant craft service table
with donuts, and uh, you know, and I love First

(49:53):
of all, I love donuts. Let's let's keep it one hundred, like,
is that your favorite thing? For my birthday, my wife
bought me a donut machine. Dude. You think I'm fucking bullshitting.
She went on Amazon and got me a commercial grade
donut making machine. Dude. And I like the little just
like a Krispy Kreme and and I was like, you
got that shit and she was like yeah. I was like,

(50:14):
we got to look at the dimensions on how big
this thing is. This just like fifty six inches, Like
it's like a six foot whatever six feet is. It's
like a six foot long track and it makes donut.
It doesn't make like one donut at a time, it
makes like seven. It makes a dozen donuts at a
fucking time, dude, And I'm like, holy shit. Even CenTra,

(50:34):
I was like, baby, is there a way that we
can return this? And she was like yeah, but it
has to get here first. Now I know me. Once
it gets here, I'm gonna make donuts on nuting. Yet
it hasn't come yet. Oh my god. The way it
happened was because I'm going through Amazon. And you know
how once you once you buy something on Amazon, it

(50:55):
hits you with if you like this, if you since
you bought this, you know you might like this. And
I was like, hold up, why are all these donut
machines showing up? Well, that's not gonna help you, diet bro,
if you have a donut machine in your house. I've
come up with a I've come up with an idea
and what I want to do with this with said
donut machine, what I Am going to make Donnie's donuts? Okay,

(51:19):
and I'm gonna sell donuts to the masses. I'm gonna
I'll sell about you know, it makes like a dozen
donuts at a time, I'll sell I don't know, maybe
five dozen donuts a day, okay, out of the out
of your front door. Not out of the front door.
I'll do it on sets or something like that where
i'll you know where I'll you know, if you have

(51:41):
a you're not gonna have the charity. You're just gonna
pocket that money, right, this is your side, Like, yeah, man,
I gotta pay for that donut machine. That shit costs
a lot of money. I know my wife bought it
for me, but you know it comes out of my
motherfucking pocket. Now, buddy, I never realized until now. Is
like when you have a joint bank account with your
wife and and or your partner whatever, and they give
you like a really expensive present, it's part of you like, yeah,

(52:04):
thank you, but what the fuck? Yeah? I'm sure my
wife thinks that way too, Like how much the first
thing she says every time I buy something? How much
in the costs? Don't worry about it? Don't worry about it,
you know, don't you worry about it? I looked, I
got I had the opportunity to see how much the
donut machine costs, because I can't wait to see the

(52:25):
commercial doughnut machine in your house when this is all
said and done, I invite you all over, come over,
I'll make donut try all right, Well I didn't realize
it was a sore spot for you and uh so,
But anyway, it was written in the script that Turk
has gained some pounds. Yeah. Well it turns out that
Turk gets diabetes too because of his eating habits, and
you know, part of meating like yeah, like uh yeah.

(52:49):
Later on Turk gets diabetes. Literally, my diabetes, my diabetes. Um.
But I remember thinking, you know, I think your real
life would somehow wind it like I don't have diabetes,
but your real life would somehow wind its way up
into the script, you know what I mean. I remember
I started I was losing my hair at a very
young age, and Bill wrote into the script the reason

(53:11):
why Turk doesn't grow his hair out is because it's patchy.
And I remember being like, oh, hold on, now, I
just not so much in the front, not so much
on the front, but like on the sides. He just
has a big, a big receding hairline. But it looks
good anyway. I like the way it looks. But he

(53:33):
just made me think you could do a mohawk, which
would be cool. It would be like really thin in
the front and then it would get really thick in
the back though, which is not really the dopest mohawk
on the pot, but anyway, I remember being I remember
him doing that and being like, wait, hold on a second,
Bill thinks I can't grow hair, and I not legit.
So there's like a there's like six episodes where Turk

(53:54):
has a full head of hair just because I was like,
there's no way I'm gonna let anybody think that I
can't grow Now, like, it became personal at some points,
and this was one of those moments with the donut
where it was like, when I was watching, I was
like in this that I think this is where it
all went down where I started to realize, oh, I
have to be in a certain shape for things. I
have to look a certain way because before that I

(54:16):
didn't care about it and I was still working right. Well,
don't you feel that way now though? Still when you
when you get jobs that like when you did when
you run Emergings for a year, or did you feel
like that you wanted to be in good shape for
the camera. No, I just wanted to look fresh in
face for camera, Like these are things that I've like
I've learned that my drinking habits and my marijuana habits

(54:37):
have made it so that, you know, if I don't
take time off from it, you can see it in
my face, you know what I mean. I look at
pictures at us when we were kids, and we would
and when we would go to the parties and everything
like that, and we drink at the parties, and you
could literally see in our faces and pictures. Yeah, those
guys are fucking wasted. Yeah. And as I've gotten older,

(54:57):
that's lasted much longer then it. You know what I mean.
If I drink on Tuesday, you know, I gotta wait
until like Friday, until it's all gone out of my
out of my face, or I have, you know, real
big bags under my eyes. And same thing with smoking.
So when I went and did emergence, I cut out
all booze and alcohol for for for a long period

(55:19):
of time. I mean booze and marijuana for a long
period of time. And what no one I did, No
one didn't, No, no one watched it. It didn't emerge,
it did. It didn't emerge the way the way I
wanted to. You know, Neil, both Donald and I as
you know, because you helped me with some press, which
I really appreciate. As you know, Donald and I both

(55:42):
had ABC shows, um and unlike The Middle, they both
completely bombed. Yeah, they didn't make it. Was The Middle
was an ABC show? Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it was it.
ABC Studios also Wonner Brothers Wanner Brothers for ABC. Wow. Yeah,
we were ABC for NBCOR originally an NBC was like, no,
we're gonna pass on it, and ABC was like, oh,

(56:03):
well we'll pick it up and we went a full season.
And uh, are you still sad about it? How are
you feeling about it? I'm fine. I you know, how long?
How long? Like how long do you pout about something
like that? Well, like I have bad news. I think
I pouted for like a few days and then I'm like,
all right it. Yeah, I didn't pout that long about

(56:23):
this one. I loved the show, and I loved the
cast members, and I loved working with everyone. But it
was in Jersey and not that I have something not
that I have something wrong with Jersey, but coming out
of a pandemic and going back to work in New
Jersey and on behalf of the Garden State, I think
the point is that you didn't want to be separated
from your family. It wasn't that like let me if you,

(56:45):
if you let me finish coming out of a pandemic
and going back to Jersey, which I had a great
time in Jersey and I loved Jersey and leaving my
kids back in Los Angeles again, it would fuck them up,
you know what I mean. I understand that I wouldn't.
I wouldn't want to uh do a show in another state.

(57:11):
Maybe the time will come, but I think I agree Neal.
I wouldn't. I would do a film obviously anywhere, but
I wouldn't sign on. I don't think, and I mean,
mark my words. I'm sure I'll there'll be an occasion
where I might change my mind, but right now I
think to commit long term to something, it would be

(57:31):
New York or LA where where I'm based and I
have you know, and I'm unlike Donald, I don't have
kids yet. Um, but I'm still in a place where
I don't. I don't want to go move to to
Stad where I always choose Dood as my random city.
It's it's I believe it's a ski town in Switzerland.

(57:52):
It's straight out of coming trading places where Dan Ackroyd's
at the pawn shop trying to sell the watch, and
the dude's like fifty bucks. He's like fifty bucks. No,
this isn't such as such. It tells time in New York, London, La,
and Stad. I think it's like the aspin of the Alps.
It's like a fancy Skei town. Which but by the way,

(58:13):
it was a horrible example for my story because I
should have picked a place no one wants to live.
Maybe I would like to live in the aspen of
the Alps. We're gonna tear a quick break and then Neil,
we take a guest with the show. Who's gonna have
an awesome question for one of us? I'll bet rewatch.

(58:38):
I like that theme. By the way, it's very churchy. Yeah, yes, yes,
we speaking of churchy. Dude. Do you remember the church
episode where we did it in the hospital cafeteria and
you had the freaking uh straw hat? What was it?
What kind of hat is that where it's like a
straw hat? Really? Yeah? I think you had, Neil. I

(59:01):
think you had a tambourine. As I recall that could
be God Samuel centers in the house. That's Samuel Center, Joel,
do you have any special introduction you want to make
up Samuel Center or should we just start talking to
Samuel Center? Just get right on into it. Hi, Hello, Samuel. Whoa, Oh,
beautiful people. This is crazy, it's crazy. You are a professional, dude.

(59:24):
You came with the mic popping thing. Donald needs one
of those because he spits everywhere. So I have a
spit problem. Yeah, Dan, can you get Samuel has for
those of you listening, has one of those very fancy
circle things you put in front of a mic and
uh and Donald needs one of those dances. I have one.
I have one. No, well, we need it, We need
it now. It's probably called the spit guard or yes,
spit spit shield. You know. When I first saw the

(59:46):
spit guard was in the We Are the World's music video,
and that's where I also sold that you were supposed
to hold your headphones like this over one year so
you can hear, yeah, to hear the harmonies when you're
down and out and see it all if you care.
If you think you look better without headphones on your head,
I think that's how you hold the headphones, right, Yeah, Mike,

(01:00:08):
Mike didn't want to mess up the freaking right, Neil.
All the people that knew they were shooting a video
were like, you know what, But if you just believe
that we should do a Donald, we should do an
episode of this where we recreate the video and we
each take turns playing different characters in the song. Yeah, sure, man,

(01:00:31):
I fucking did that as a kid. I used to
do that as a kid. I could do it as
an adult. I used to love that. I would watch
that over and over and over again. Anyway, Sorry, Samuel,
where are you called? Samuel? Sent where that's Oprah? Where
are you calling from? Samuel? I'm calling from a small
town called Cloku in Minnesota. Cloqu minda, we got it
the far North. Welcome. You have Neil Flynn with us today.

(01:00:55):
And that's Donald doing his best Oprah? And uh And
do you have a question for us anything? Ask us anything?
Ask you anything? What happens when we die? Oh? Wow? Wow? No,
I'm just I'm just kidding. Don't you coming on? Samuel? Everybody?
Can you play the music that drives it off? No?

(01:01:17):
Go ahead, you got a real question? Go ahead, I
do I have a real question for you. First of all,
thank you for all of the years of entertainment. This
is such a thrill to meet you guys. Uh No,
it's incredible, Thank you. So in terms of entertainment, you
guys have been there for You've been in the business
for so long and just seeing how things change, and
it feels like people's attention spans are getting shorter and shorter.

(01:01:39):
And uh, mister Flynn h such an improv comedy genius.
And Zach you're a writer, and mister Fazon, you just
kind of embody what cool is to me. And you've
been doing I mean since Clueless. Man. My sister was
big into Clueless, And I can't tell you how much
I look up to you and have tried to emulate
some of the style that you have accepted and received

(01:01:59):
except but as things have changed and people's attention spans
have gotten shorter, how do you feel yourselves adapting as entertainers,
writers and improv comedy people. Do you feel like you've
had to shift the way you approach things or do
you feel like you've kept it the same to just
stay true to your art or how does that feel
on your end? That's a good question. You know, they
just came out with this service that as I understand

(01:02:20):
it isn't isn't doing as well as anyone hoped. Called Quibbi,
which is basically like ten minute episodes you can watch
on your phone, which I would have thought would would
do well because people are commuting and they're sitting in
a doctor's office, and for all I know it will
it will do well one day, but that I was
thinking of of that service when you when you said that,
the biggest thing I notice is that whenever I do anything,

(01:02:40):
if it's a TV show, if it's a film, if
it's a music video, if it's a documentary, everyone writes
me on Instagram when second be on Netflix. It's as
though it's like the only thing most people watch anymore.
So that's always on my mind. When I'm going out
and I'm pitching a new idea, I'm always kind of like, wow,

(01:03:00):
I I you know, Netflix has so much content, But
in my mind, I'm thinking, like, I kind of want
this to be on Netflix because that's what everybody seems
to watch these days. Whenever you know, I'll I like.
And when we were talking briefly about the ABC show
I did um Alex Sinca. It didn't didn't last or
work that well, but I remember when I was promoting it.
I was just doing anything I could to promote it, anything, anything, anything,

(01:03:23):
And then everyone was like, sounds great, Zach, when's it
on Netflix? And I'm like, well, it's not. It's it's
on ABC. It's it's not, it's not gonna be on Netflix.
But I don't know. That's what I just kept thinking
about that. What about you guys. I feel like it's well,
you know, I'm while we're in this downtime, I'm trying
to you know, I got a couple of other voices,

(01:03:44):
trying to develop something, you know, to do when when
we can start to work again. Yeah, And it's really
I've never done that before. I've never helped to create
a show. But I feel like to start a new
show now, I don't think at tension spans are anyhow
or necessarily. People are watching stuff. It's just not the
same stuff they used to watch. And there's more TV

(01:04:05):
than there ever was, And I feel like, if you're
going to start something from the ground up, you can't
just do family, living room multi cam. You know, it
feels like Guy's gone. There has to be something a
hook to the show. Yeah, and whether it's you know,

(01:04:27):
I don't know what really shows are doing a period
piece or his you know, real people like I don't know,
the Kennedy's or something, or the Queens and Kings or
something fantastical or outer space or it just feels like
you can't do that. The time has passed. Do the
Johnson family. Although although, Neil, you just gave me a
genius idea to do a traditional like living room sitcom,

(01:04:50):
but it's kings and queens in a castle. I would
do it, except they live on like the set of
the Cosby show, the Kings and Queens, but they just
have a cow. But they're they're royals and they've been
transported from a from another era, but and they don't
really know why they're there. But they live in this

(01:05:11):
this you know, suburban house that could work, or that
could have worked in nineteen eighty six. You know, come on, man,
if ALF could work, I was just gonna say ALF. Yeah.
We talked about ALF extensively um in one of these episodes,
because I remember as a kid, a child, seeing a
commercial for ALF and being like that's so stupid, No

(01:05:34):
one's gonna watch that, and then cut to me like
riveted every week like a launching. ALF call that being
kind of funny. I think it was kind of a
funny show. No, it was genius and Max Wright, who
is hilarious, played the father What are you doing? Alf?
And he notoriously hated being on a puppet show. He

(01:05:55):
hated every second of it. He hated the puppet. Fuck
that I would have woke off this set. Fuck you, Alf, trailer,
Fuck you. This is the true story. Alf the puppet
was actually my sleep paralysis demon from like age three

(01:06:15):
to ten. WHOA, WHOA, I didn't see sleep paralysis demon?
What's it about? I have all their music? Is? What
is a sleep paralysis demon? For those of us who
don't know? All right, So, sleep paralysis is like this
condition where you're you know, dead as sleep and you

(01:06:35):
and if I'm sure you know, if you don't know,
there's chemicals in your body that released to paralyze you
while you're sleeping so that you don't get up and
run while you're dreaming. Right, Um, there's things there's a
phenomenon that can happen where you achieve consciousness, but you're
still paralyzed by those things that are keeping you sleeping.
And h I happen to get that and have since
I was a really little kid. And typically, for whatever reason,

(01:06:56):
whatever you want to say about the human coition or whatever,
when people are stuck at this, they go to a
very dark space and usually they see something really uh
ugly or terrifying. And this, I mean, it could be anything.
It can be a literal. So so people call them
their sleep paralysis demons. And Alf was literally mine. There
was a commercial on TV where Alf pressed his face

(01:07:17):
against the glass. It was probably from like the premiere episode.
And when I was eight years old, I think specifically,
anytime I would get in the sleep paralysis state, there
would be Alf at the edge of my oh yeah,
yeahs frightening thing and was out saying anything new you
or was he was just he was just him up
against the glass at the foot of your bed. Yeah,

(01:07:38):
it was just him against the glass. I don't know, man,
Do you still have a sleep paralysis a sleep paralysis demon? Now? Yeah?
And is it still out? Is it still out? No? Now,
it's just uh now, it's just just um. Yeah. I
was gonna say something, but I won't. No. Now it's
it's actually a guy in a suit. Okay, wow, wow,

(01:08:02):
that's scary. Well, that's very scary. I I that's traumatic.
You know, Alf. I didn't haven't that much problems with
alf um. We brought it up, we've run it up
on the show before. I didn't know. I don't know
if this was in your sleep arolysis nightmare. But Alf
has a tail um. We learned, Neil because I had
the stuffed animal for Alf and I was a child,

(01:08:24):
and what I would do is I would take the
alf tail and I would tuck it through his legs
and close his legs to give him a giant erect
alf penis. Mister Braff, you've changed my life in many ways,
and now I want to thank you because now my
sleep prolysis Alf is going to have a big old
tail penis. Thank you for that now, Sam, I'm gonna

(01:08:46):
feel so bad if it goes back from man and
suit to Alf with an alpha erection. I apologize. But
maybe you'll be able to laugh at him, just point
and laugh at him. Maybe he'll he'll dissipate. I'm not
sure I understood the question. I thought you were asking,
like how to how he was saying now that in
his opinion h and an opinion of others, things are
getting shorter and shorter for short attention spans. Do you

(01:09:07):
think there's any way that you have adapted the way
you perform or evolved things that you're doing for for
a shorter attention span, whether it's anything you do, maybe
in your animated videos you you know, I noticed something
I'm gonna I'm gonna answer for Donald and Donald you
pipe in. You used to post some of your stop
motion animation longer clips. Now you're posting very short clips.

(01:09:29):
Do you think that's for human attention span? Absolutely? Because
at one point I realized that, thank you very much, Zach.
At one point I realized people were not paying attention
past a minute, you know what I mean? Fuck that,
not paying attention past thirty seconds. And so now when
I do when I post animation clips, they're like four
seconds or five seconds, because you know, if anything, they'll

(01:09:52):
watch it a couple of times, three or four times
before they move on to the next thing to make
sure they're uh to just to pick up visually what
it was that they saw, you know what I mean.
So like with animation, if it doesn't look right, people
don't necessarily pay attention to it. And also I have
a side question if you're doing animation, Is it better

(01:10:15):
for you to focus on a short do a short
little segment really really, really well, rather than do work
on a full minute that has mistakes in it. Yeah,
it's it's better to do it. In my opinion. If
you can do a full minute of perfect animation, you're great.
But no movie is like that either though, you know
what I mean. There are very few movies that have
scenes that are a one or for one minute, you

(01:10:38):
know what I mean. And if they do do that,
it's a special shot. And so with animation you try
to shoot it just like you would shoot any other
project that you put on film, whether it be movie
or television. You want to make it quick and keep
the cuts coming so that everybody. The faster the pace,
the better it is with animation. The slower the slower
the pace of the story, the easy it is for

(01:11:00):
people to tune out. Sometimes I send you um clips
of animation I think is cool, and you don't even reply,
and it hurts my feelings. I'm sorry because I've seen
them already, I know. But you could say yes, I've
seen this. I could say yes, I've seen this, thank you.
It's like when my mom sends me my mom sent
me a picture of like a bird, and you know, okay,
but I can I still take the time to be

(01:11:22):
like pretty bird mom. You know you could, you might,
you know, I might say, hey, exact cool animation, saw
this one. You know what, from here on out, because
I now know that you are very sensitive when it
I am sensitive, I will from here on out I
will respond with, oh man, I've seen that already. But
thank you. All right, Samuel, give another question. All I

(01:11:43):
got all kinds of questions, but we'll keep it. We'll
keep it like uh, just knowing that mister Flint is there,
which is so cool. I just have to say, I
seriously thank you. One of the funniest people that has
ever existed. Especially I told him that too, I saym
I agree, It's just totally true. I'm just you know,
just freeballing here. Uh let's just say that, yeah, free
ball always always. You don't have to tell us what

(01:12:05):
you're under. Situation is sam I said the wrong word
on This is why Alph won't leave the foot of
your bed. He wants to see those balls. God, oh, Samuel,
all right, Samuel, go ahead, free ball away um Janitor

(01:12:26):
spinoff of Scrubs. Let's just say that they brought it back.
Let's just say they got mister Braff and mister fayzon
Uh signed on his co stars in at least the
pilot episode. Where would you want to explore the Janitor's
character now? And what would you want the episode so
to revolve around? What kind of stuff would you like
to be in? It? Outer space? That's where it said,

(01:12:47):
we're marooned in outer space. So it's sort of like
a Gilligan's Island type thing. On an island on a planet? Ship?
Are we on a ship? Kneel on? Are on a planet? Uh?
A ship? And then then like towards the end of
the first season, it lands sort of like sort of

(01:13:07):
like Josie and the Pussycats, the Janitor and the and
the doctors. Yes, it's very much like Josie and the Pussycats.
And yeah, I was hoping you wouldn't notice that I
stole up. So the janitor is also in a band. Yeah,
we're all musicians. Yeah, Neil, you you joke, but I
would watch this show. I mean, Neuron doesn't necessarily steal

(01:13:29):
the character from Scrubs, but you could be your character
is a janitor on a on a spaceship, which is
a character. You never see who's cleaning? Who's cleaning these spaceships? Yeah, yeah,
that's funny. Yes, Donald, you watch so much sci fi?
Have you ever seen anyone cleaning up inside any of
those ships? No? Never, not even the Millennium Falcon, which

(01:13:51):
is the dirtiest spaceship in the galaxy. No one does
any maintenance. Never ever. Maybe Jordi did a little maintenance. Well,
but Johnny was like he was an engineer though. Man,
he was like, oh that's right. I knew he was working.
Never like just like like your character would often be,
you know, be doing something. We joke about Neil. We

(01:14:12):
sometimes we're like, you know what, the janitor was actually
a good janitor for he was He really worked a lot.
He was always doing shit and uh always were actually working.
I would have said the opposite that was oftentimes I
would say, should I be doing something? I'm constantly just
walking around a corner with nothing in my hands. You know,
what are you doing? Wasn't there a time when when

(01:14:34):
when someone a director said to mop in the admissions
and you're like, there's a carpet, that's funny. I don't
remember that. Anyway. I'm very interested, Neil in developing this.
You're a janitor on a spaceship series. Okay, yeah, because
if it's a it's about three guys that they're marooned,

(01:14:57):
I would in space. Okay, what did they do beforehand?
Where they scientists or they were on a mission? Donald
and I were, well, two guys were on a mission
and one guy was cleaning the ship for them. No, no, no, no, Donald,
Donald put the Donald and I are on a mission.
And part of this mission. Because there's been a lot
of complaints about cleanliness and spaceships, they sent along a

(01:15:18):
member of the janitorial stuff to keep the ship clean
while they're on their mission. Right, and then once it,
once it crashes or whatever, the status you know, the
totem pole is scrambled. Yes, right, yeah, Now, scientists, you know,
are scared shitless and the janitor is like, I could
handle this, follow my lead. Yeah, the janitor janitor becomes

(01:15:41):
the captain. Yes, and maybe maybe Donald and I are
injured so we can't really do much, but the janitor
takes over. Well, we don't have to be injured. We
just have to be like kind of like not really
good with other things other than piloting in science. No
survival skills whatsoever, whatsoever, that's good Neil. So Neil's character

(01:16:02):
is like, not only was he working for a custodian staff,
but he was an amazing survivalist and diald And I
don't know anything about how to survival on this random planet.
Our our journey could have been just we were supposed
to go to the International Space Station, right, and that's it.
And somehow we got knocked off course by some crazy
ass Gama wave or some type of micro wave or

(01:16:25):
something like that, and it sends us into a wormhole
and we wind up in this fucking galaxy where we
don't know shit about anything, right, but and don't know
how to survive other than if we were to be,
you know, on an International space station. And Neil Flynn Janitor, Hey,
you know what I just thought of something. We didn't

(01:16:47):
start trek. They weren't different planets and stuff, right, Yes,
they never wore helmets, pursuits. They had oxygen in those belts.
All those planets had oxygen. They were all supporting planets, right.
Apparently decision early on. Well, I imagine, like you said,
with the headphones not looking good. I'm sure that what's

(01:17:09):
his name, Captain Kirk was like, you're not putting a
helmet on? This was like, no way, you see this?
You see this? No way, Shatner. Yeah, so that's the idea. Joel,
will you produce? Joel will produce? Um. Thank you, We're
off to the races. Samuel, Samuel for calling in, my friend. Oh,
it's such a pleasure to meet everybody. Thank you very much.

(01:17:30):
Thank you, You're awesome, and good luck. And listen, don't
let those monsters keep you in bed. Be safe. Now.
I'm gonna show them my balls and laugh at him.
That's all right, And that's a lesson for everybody out there.
If you're ever afraid, show them your balls and just
laugh at them. Well, I'll see you in jail. Maybe not.

(01:17:50):
Donald's like, well never mind ever, right ever, be healthy man,
take care. Oh my god, I have so many questions
back to space, Janitor. I love it. Neil's like furiously
taking notes about it. Yes, I am. I wonder if
part of it should be a game show, or maybe

(01:18:10):
the whole thing a game show. Just for some reason,
we're sticking with this, these these elements that are a
Janitor lost in space. Okay, Carter family, what is the
capital of Shod for the star Shod? Yeah, and believe
it or not, Neil's Shod starts with a G. There's

(01:18:32):
a silent G. Yeah, you know what joelity check is
g st a a D If I'm not mistaken, God ahead.
That reminds me of Jibooty. I think it's pronounced its
episodes with an N. I think a D. Jibooty starts
with a D. You're you're right, You're right? Yeah, yeah,
But I remember when we used to do the show.

(01:18:53):
Used to do crossword puzzles, did I yeah, I'm going
through phases. Yeah, the New York Times probably, yeah, and
you would do I remember I never I suck at spelling,
and I also suck at crossword puzzles. But um, would
you ever get to would you ever get to the
Sunday one? Have you ever? You know what I mean?

(01:19:15):
Like I hear the Sunday ones are the real hard ones.
Monday it gets easy and then yeah that it goes
it gets more difficult. And he could finish the Sunday
is what you're asking. I'm asking, I'm asking how deep
into the week would you get, because I know there
were times where you would. You know, I remember asking
you one. You'd be like, oh, this is from like
a couple of weeks ago. M oh really, well that's

(01:19:36):
you know, if you don't, it depends on how hard
your work. Sometimes you just pick it up for ten
minutes and go on about your day. But I haven't
done one in a long time. But um yes, I
used to completely most of the time the same day,
within an hour or two. I was always jealous of
people that could. I was. I think, at least what

(01:19:58):
I know to be true, is it actually said Sunday
is the hardest day. Sunday's a big puzzle. Sunday's like
the supersized puzzle, not necessarily harder, so it builds the Saturday,
and then Sunday's a bigger one, and Monday's the easiest.
I feel like I have maybe done a Monday. I've
never I remember somebody saying that to me and being like, oh, okay,
let me get the one on Monday. I just don't know.
Then I realized you had to. You had well, you

(01:20:19):
had to read the paper too. That was I didn't
know a lot of trivia. I mean, I could do
it if it was like, you know, no, you had
the three letters star of a sitcom alien puppet. It

(01:20:39):
was a nice, nice callback. Thank you, thank you. It
means a lot to me. We barely talked about the episode,
but we should talk about the Saint Elsewhere, a cast
that was visiting in this. Did you guys, either one
of you watch Saint Elsewhere back in the day? I
did so in Denzel. Yeah, was it Denzel's first role.
I don't know if it was his first role, but
I know he was on Saint Elsewhere, him and Howie Mandel. Yeah, yeah,

(01:21:02):
that's right. What's the theme song? Like da da da
da da da dad that something like that. Yeah, that

(01:21:22):
sounds very familiar. I visited the set once my parents
watched it. I believe it was Bruce Paltrow, um, Gwyneth
Paltrow's father, who was a very big showrunner then, who
produced it with others, And um, my dad knew someone
we were visiting La and my dad knew someone. We
got onto the set. It was like the first like
real big TV set. Interestingly, I'm thinking about this out loud.

(01:21:42):
The first real set I ever visited was was a
hospital set which was Saint Elsewhere. Um, and I think
it was beyond my It was too old for me
as a child. Um, but I remember my parents really
loving it. Joel just told me that Denzel made his
feature film debut in the comedy A Carbon Copy and um,
and then he was if that was eighty one, and

(01:22:04):
then he was cast in the So it's the second
part probably um. Um, and he's on he was on St.
Else Where eighty two to eighty eight. That'd be cool
to we'll go back and watch a young Denzel on
that show. Well he's been. The crazy thing is he's
barely on the show, like he was one of the Yeah,
you know, they didn't use him a lot on the show, uh,
and which was which turned out to be great for

(01:22:25):
him because he would be able to go and do
movies instead of you know what I mean. They were like,
well you're not on the show this week, and he'd
be like, oh, okay, well there's this dude doing this project.
You know I'm gonna sign on and do it then.
So like I remember Cry Freedom coming out, Remember that movie,
you know what I mean? Him and Us an amazing movie.

(01:22:46):
If you haven't seen it, Cry Freedom, Cry Freedom, Him
and uh, fish call wander no Fish. It was Kevin Klein. Yeah,
and so I remember they did him. I remember that
came out and I remember being like, holy cow, the
dude from and this is where my parents were like
informing me, No, this guy is an amazing actor. He's done.
He did theater in New York. You know what I mean,

(01:23:07):
He's now blowing up as an actor. You should really
check out, if you because you know, I wanted to
be an actor at an early age. They were like
Denzel Washington and they showed me Cry Freedom and I
remember being like, oh my god, this is the most
amazing movie ever. Yeah, that was incredible and uh and
I was very young when that came out. I don't know.
And then you know, from that Mississippi, Missala and you know,

(01:23:29):
The Mighty Quinn and a bunch of other movies. But yeah,
then Glory eventually, of course, Glory. Glory was the one
of the first times as a child that I that
I knew who he was. And I just never seen
a performance better than that performance in Glory. By the
time Glory came out, I was well versed in Denzel Washington,

(01:23:50):
William go ahead. I was just gonna say that for me.
William Daniels is the voice of Kit. Yeah. And when
when William Daniels started speaking in this episode, I had forgotten.
I went, oh my god, it's kid. Yeah, will he
never was the voice. Oh yeah, you never watched night Rider?

(01:24:11):
Well he's a he's a little bit older than us.
So Donald and I were write in the pocket for
for a Team and night Rider And did you ever
watch a Team? No? Uh? Well, you know, I went
to Universal I was a kid. We went to Universal
Studios the tour and they had a night Rider car

(01:24:32):
and you could get in it and the car would
talk to you, and it was amazing. In hindsight as
an adult they obviously had a hidden camera and a
guy somewhere, but as a child that was like, holy shit,
it's kid. And I just remember thinking he was the coolest.
And he would, you know, he would say things to
try and show off that he could see. You would
be like, I like you, I like your blue shirt

(01:24:54):
and uh and I'd be like, oh my god, kid.
But they didn't have it wasn't It wasn't so William
Daniels sitting in some room somewhere. Probably No, I don't
think they paid his rate. Did he go on to
do Boy Meets World after all of that? After Night
Rider and everything? Wasn't he like the next door neighbor
William Daniels, Yeah, yes, but I don't know about Boy

(01:25:15):
Meets World, but certainly it would have been after Sane elsewhere?
Wasn't he I think I'm mixing him up with somebody else.
But wasn't he in the graduate? Oh? I don't know.
I don't know. That's a good question, Joel. He might
have been checking face. Might have been Dustin Hoffman's dad,
the one who says plastics? Is he the one who

(01:25:37):
says plastics? No, but that's in their yard, that's right.
That's a neighbor, right, or a friend? Yeah? I can
picture him saying Benjamin. And if it's not him, it's
an actor that Joel's checking reminds her of each other?
And then Ed Begley, Ed Begley and um and also
Stephen First, who was famously an Animal House. Yeah. Have

(01:25:59):
you seen him house? Donald? I have seen it. Yes,
I have seen Animal House. I saw Animal House the
night before I left for college. What's college? What's college like? Animal? Not? Well,
you know, it wasn't quite the same. But I did
join a fraternity, probably influenced by that somewhat. It seemed

(01:26:20):
like they were having fun. Yeah, did you toga? I
don't think we ever did a toga thing. That would
be a little too on the nose, dude. What's up
with the zombie movie? All of a sudden, in the
middle of this episode, out of nowhere, it turned into
a zombie movie. I know it was Mark Buckland directing.
I remember, and I remember it was kind of like
a wide angle lens and trying to do all sort

(01:26:42):
of a zombie film. I thought that was weird too.
Did you notice that? Sorry, I'm going I'm jumping around,
but at seven h three, I don't know if you
noticed this, but the score all of a sudden has
like record DJ scratching in it. Did you notice that?
I didn't notice there's like a score queue, like, all
of a sudden, it's like tweet no fun, princip bel Air. Wait,
so Joel is saying that Joel, are you saying that

(01:27:04):
he was in the graduate then he was? Indeed, sorry,
yes he was in the graduate Neil, You're right, okay,
all right, there you go, Dans. So in this episode,
you know JD's all word that he UH has gotten
sick from UH. And I remember when I was a kid,
I just felt invincible, you know what I mean. And

(01:27:26):
you know, even with even with things that I shouldn't
have been, even with things that I shouldn't have been doing,
where I should have been using protection, I felt like invincible,
Like you know, motorcycles, whatever whatever it was, where I
should have, you know, wore a helmet. I didn't, you
know what I mean. And because of that, I got
a lot of kids. But the thing is, um, are

(01:27:48):
you do that way? You are using a cryptic analogy
because your daughter is on your lap? Yes, I see,
I followed it. Now, Yeah you didn't. You didn't wear
a helmet when you were on your motorcycle. Absolutely right.
But the fear of disease or hurting myself in any
way never came across my mind. You didn't think about

(01:28:10):
things like that. Now I have nothing but fear when
it comes to that stuff, you know what I mean.
And it's it's a it's I noticed that I've because
of the situation that we're in, and you know, because
of isolation and quarantine and everything like that, I treat

(01:28:31):
people a lot differently because of that, And Ted the
lawyer does that to j D at one point where
he's like he's trying to play it off where he is,
you know, things will be fine, and then he's like, hey,
don't you want your pin back? JD's like, don't you
want your pinback? And the little and Ted's like, you know,
keep it yeah, And that's kind of how I am now,

(01:28:53):
you know what I mean, Like when when the we
get groceries delivered, now they knock on the door, or
I'll wait a minute before I go to the door
to just to make sure that the air around the
door isn't you know, Like if we were in a
room right now and Neil you would have coughed like that,
I'd been like you, okay, man, I know I was

(01:29:15):
coughing last night and I was like, oh my god,
my girlfriend must totally think I'm sick. I don't know
if you guys are conscious of that. You're like, now
you cough in public and you're like, no, no, I'm fine, No, no, no, no,
I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm just in my throat and
and that's you know, this episode. You know, everybody needs,
first of all, everybody needs to first of all, chill out,
you know what I mean. I know that this is

(01:29:36):
a very dangerous and scary time for us and everything
like that, but you're you're always jumping to the worst
case scenario, you know what I mean. You you have
a you have a you know, a feeling in your foot,
you jump online and the next thing you know, you've
got gerd. You know, you're telling everybody or you've got
I've got I've got a gout, you know what I mean,
I've got on your toes. You're fucked, Yeah, you're fucked right,

(01:30:00):
But you know what I mean. It's I don't know
if everyone's like that. Down You and I might be
a neurotic and looking everything up and thinking we've got
something bad, whereas other people might be like, you know,
I'm fine. I don't know that many people that are
that think that way, you know what I mean. I
think there's a fear. We talked about this earlier. There's
a fear of going to the hospital and finding out

(01:30:20):
that something's wrong. So I think a lot of people
when something does come up, they're like, ah, you know what,
I'm not going to find out about it. If it's
really bad. It'll kick my ass later on and then
I'll have to go to the hospital and they'll fix
it then. But you know, for Jay, for me personally nowadays,
this what this episode did for me when watching it
was like and made me realize, I have a real

(01:30:42):
phobia when it comes to germs now, and I have
a real phobia when it comes to other people's germs now,
and it has a lot to do with what we're
going through. But I didn't have that shit when I
was a kid. I wasn't afraid of things like this,
you know what I mean. There were people that got
stuck with me when we were doing the show. There
were a couple of people that accidentally got stuck with
needles fucking around with the props, you know what I mean,

(01:31:04):
thinking oh this is fake. That would have freaked me
out here. I would have lost my ship. Nowadays, I'd
be like, I'm dying. I know I'm dead. Sarah was
the only person that I knew. Sarah Schalk was the
only person that I knew that was like that was
like if if if she had if she had the chills,
it was it was life for I'm dying. I know
I'm dying, you know what I mean, I must be

(01:31:25):
a real thing. I mean, well, how terrifying for for
real medical personnel who who get stuck. I'm sure on occasion,
um the person had something serious. How how scary that
would be. We're walking around the house. Don't get sick,
and don't break your leg, don't get hurt, you know
what I mean? The kids playing around, like everybody calmed down.
We don't want to go to the hospital right now. Now,

(01:31:46):
it's not the time to go to the hospital. Right well,
really there's you know, it's never a good time to
go to the hospital. But yeah, I thought about that,
like if you had a appendix, right, I was exact
ass cheek, Yeah, I can have my ashcheek removed. But
it was an elective surgery turns out, so I couldn't

(01:32:07):
have that. But yeah, you don't want anything to go wrong.
You're you're well, we'll see, you know, in the next
week or so if any of this people crowding around
each other something I actually have said. I don't. I
not to be Debbie down or towards the end of
the episode, but that things are spiking back up in

(01:32:28):
La and uh yeah, and no one's talking about it
because there's plenty else going on in the news, as
we all know. But I read I read some articles
like why is no one talking about the new COVID
spike in Los Angeles? Um, I think there's spikes in
a lot of places, but New York is going down
so much that it looks like a flat line. But

(01:32:49):
for the country, we need like the national line. Yeah, yes, yes,
well yeah, I fear I fear that that everyone's kind
of over it. You know, people are like, all right,
we did that, fuck it, we gotta get out of
the house now. And and and that might be fine
if you live in a place where where this isn't
this prevalent, but in LA it does appear to be
climbing back up. And the only reason why we're talking

(01:33:11):
about this right now, we know we try to get
you away from as listeners, and we try to keep
this as a distraction, a distract, as much as a
distraction as possible. But this is in the story, yes
you know what I mean, And so that's why we
that's why, guys, it's in. It's in the episode, and
so you know it's about Scott Foley being left. I mean,

(01:33:32):
listen and Joel please weigh in as the only female
on the panel. But Scotty Scott Folly being left alone
by Sarah standing there with his roses, it just felt
a little like just so mean. I mean, with Elliott,
she found love and and or not love necessarily, but
she really liked this guy. He's as bad as charming

(01:33:53):
as a human being could be. He looks like Scott Foley.
She's like, she leaves him, She leaves him with the door.
It looks exactly like Scott Vali. She leaves him at
the door. I mean, I don't know what are your
thoughts on that? Yeah, I think okay. So I didn't
get into movies from the seventies until like I was
in college. This is sort of my first experience watching
a woman be like, listen, I like you, but this

(01:34:14):
career I've invested in is everything to me. So we
have to pause because it wasn't even like a solid breakup.
She's like, right now, I can't make this work. And like,
as a you know, once I'm like twelve, and I
was like, you could just leave a dude for work.
It was brilliant to still the light boys at that age.
And I was like, oh, so tedious and so to
her to just be like, I'm gonna work on my stuff.

(01:34:36):
I was like, this is brilliant. Oh my god, I
really like this scene. Oh I okay, there you go,
there's the answer. I was like, I mean, I was
impressed by the character making that choice because the writers
really went out of their way to make sure there
was absolutely nothing wrong with this guy. I mean, he
was as dreamy as it could be. But she was
getting distracted from her work and uh and she was like, look,

(01:34:58):
I really am excited about this, but I this is
what I've worked my whole life for. So I gotta
I gotta push you away. Which he's not gone though,
is he. No, he does, he does come back. Yeah.
But I don't know that she was distracted. I think
it was how the hospital reacted to her and the
walk of shame in the beginning of the episode. I
think that was more of a reason for her to

(01:35:20):
break up with. You know, Elliott is very worried about
what everyone thinks about her. That's what the character, that's
how the character is, you know she you know, she
even says in the beginning, and ninety nine percent of
my life is me trying to impress my dad, you
know what I mean. And and so I think when
the Walk of Shame thing happened and everyone made fun
of her, I think that's that's you know, it sent

(01:35:41):
her down the rabbit hole and she spiraled, and that's why.
But he was also it wasn't just that Donald she
you know, Kelso's like grilling her and she doesn't know
the answers to questions at rounds where she always does,
and then she starts getting in her head. At one
point she's like she can't think of something, and I like,
I turned around, I'm like, come on, you know that
she's tired, maybe because she was up all night playing schoolgirl, right,

(01:36:04):
But I think that stems from once again, you know,
Kelso seeing her at the at the scrubs machine and
giving her shit for not having her her scrubs that day,
you know what I mean. I think, I don't know,
I could be I don't I don't know. It's probably
it's probably both a combination of both. But anyway, we
all know, we all know the spoiler alert that Scott

(01:36:24):
Foley comes back. He ends up being a an animal
as a marine biologist or an animal trainer at sea
world something like that. But what a great scene that was, though,
too man where they break up because it looks like
it's going one way, you know, and the mist there's
a great misdirection, right, you know, she breaks she kind

(01:36:46):
of you see her breaking up with him earlier in
the script where he comes to visit her and she's like,
and he's doing all the right things, and she's getting
pissed off that he's doing all the right things. And
she comes out at the end and it seems like
she's gotten over all the all of the bs that
she was holding onto because of her Walk of Shame situation,

(01:37:09):
and then in the middle of it, she discovers, wait
a second, it's not just that I am distracted because
of how perfect you are. And now's not the time
for me to be distracted. Now's the time for me
to be the best I possibly can be, so that
in a couple of years, in a few years, I
can find another I can find a guy just like
you and do it all over again, and this time

(01:37:30):
for Keeps and I feel and the way they both
play the scene is perfect because it really does feel
like Sean is hit by a mac truck because he
doesn't see it coming, you know what I mean. He
sees it as Okay, she had a bad day. I'm
going to bring her flowers and cheer her up. And
now she's walking back into the hospital and I'm standing

(01:37:52):
here with a dozen roses. I felt bad for him.
I'm such a sucker for the writers really know how
to get me with, you know, love that cannot be.
I'm like, oh, this poor guy, he's like crazy about
this girl. He's standing here with roses, and he's like,
she goes, He goes, I'm gonna be I'm gonna wait
here because I know you're gonna change your mind in
two minutes. And she's like, I hope so, and then
she doesn't. He's just and then he trashes the roses.

(01:38:15):
Well do you think he trashes the roses where he
leaves them and people just walk all over him. I
couldn't just figure that out. Yeah, I just thought of
that when I first saw the roses. I thought, yeah,
come on, that's a little bit of a hissy fit. Yeah,
like he was jumping up and down on it. Yes, yes, stop.
But the only reason I know that he doesn't disappear, well,

(01:38:36):
come to think of it, Oh, no, the last episode
I guess of season one is somebody's wedding? Is it
Turk and Carlin? No, we don't get married until season three,
I think. Well, then at the end of season two
when we were shooting that episode, he was there in
the last episode of the same your wedding. Yes, was

(01:38:59):
that he had. There's so many fans right now that
know this show better than us. They're like, you idiots.
He's an episode and this one and this one, this one,
but we don't know. Oh yeah, let's let's ask guy.
All right, so Nil, we have this guy. His name
is um, Trevor Guy, Trevor WICKI, Um, we have a question.

(01:39:20):
How many more episodes is Scott folly in? And was he?
Did he attend Donald and Carla's wedding? Hey, guys. Scott
fully appears in twelve episodes over seasons one, three, and eight,
including Turk and Carla's wedding reception in the season three finale.
All right, we gotta wrap this up. Guys, we've been neil.
I'm sorry to keep you so long. We've been going

(01:39:40):
an hour and forty five six minutes. It's okay, and
I hope you had a good time. Just shooting the
ship with us. We miss you. We miss you big time.
We'd love to have you back too. If you ever
want to come back and hang out with us. Ye
give me more than yeah, I will because this was fun.
But I thought we would talk about me more that
kind of board. Oh, he checked out until we started

(01:40:01):
talking about the night terrors. Guy Alf at the foot
of his bed against the glass. By the way, Donald,
remember we were speaking about that rap song up, sir,
mix a lot. Put him on the glass. Put him
on a glass, baby. Yeah, his nightmare is Alf putting
him on the glass. Yeah, that would do it for
me too. Now I have the visual of Alf putting

(01:40:23):
his breasts on on on glass, or his tail penis
or his tail penis on that note. Thank you everybody
for listening. We really appreciate it. Um followed Donald and
I on Instagram, especially Donald because he doesn't have as
many followers as I. He's very upset about it. I
am very upset about it. We even talked about it
on the podcast. Oh, it hasn't moved. Okay, hasn't moved.

(01:40:44):
Don't yell at people. Donald, It's not a way to
end the podcast. I just don't. I think it's disrespectful.
I think it's disrespectful. Okay, calm down. I was in clueless,
damn it. Oh my god, I was in clueless. Damn it. Uh,
you guys followed Donald and also, please rate our podcast.
Give us. You know when you get out of an
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(01:41:06):
And tell your friends to subscribe. We're having a blast
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just do this. It's paid for by by advertisers playing ads,
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totally free. Yes, don what were you going to say
before you lead us in song? I was gonna say,

(01:41:27):
and you know, we'll have Neil back on and we'll
talk about more things. I wanted to get into. I
wanted to get into the fugitive. I wanted to save it.
That let's save it. Maybe he has one story about
Harrison Ford being difficult to save it all right, thanks
for listening to worked twice with Harrison Ford. Though he's
worked twice with Harrison Ford. The Crystal Skull and and

(01:41:50):
and the Fugitive. Yeah for one day each time? Right, Well,
once in you had way more lines than just Kimbo.
Is that all it was Kimball? Yeah, it was more
in the script, not not much more, but it was.
I was wondering which take they would use when I
saw the film. We wonder when I'm saying, now, back up,
come towards me, let me see your hands, you know

(01:42:12):
all that stuff. And I see the movie and it's Kimball.
Bang straight, Neil, you're in. You're in what I consider
a classic. So that's just cool to me. And it
is a really good movie. It's a great I recently
rewatched it and it's so good. Holds up, it holds up,
It's so good. All right, Donald lead us in song

(01:42:34):
you Got Mad last time? When I did it, I
wanted Neil to do it. Neil, can you just go five, six, seven, eight,
real quick? Yeah? Stories about show we made about a
bunch of nurses, said stories, so yeah, around here, yeah,

(01:42:58):
around here. He was a visa mm hmmm

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