Katie Lowes, Every Pretzel You've Ever had is a Piece of Crap

Katie Lowe's career is incredibly diverse. But when she was put into Waitress the Broadway musical, she relied on her experience giving birth to remind herself nothing was impossible. She discusses how to get ready for a show in 18 days, her love of SMASH, plus how her side hustle Schappy Pretzle took off during the pandemic.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What you're trying to get into one day, or shown
what you're trying to do.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
You know, I'm trying to animate, Yeah, always trying to animate.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
I got I had.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I had Elder and Calvin over just now and we
was lighting my shit and I got a nice little
reverse shot to the stuff that I've been working on.
I'm really excited. It took from nine to twelve thirty one,
which is why I'm late. I not to get the
shot to light the shot. Wow, it's animation, so everything

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moves and the light has to stay consistent.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
You gotta have a lot of patience for that animation.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
You gotta have a lot of patience.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
What I got is true. Do you think there's color
is too much for me? Donald? It's loud.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I was wondering if you were trying to be invisible,
like it's like a green screen shirt, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I guess the video team to cut crop. Yes on.
The video team could could do something clever with this,
Like maybe they could probably give them a clean I'll
give them a clean frame and then they could do
floating head Zach.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Very nice.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Okay, now they can use that and just make me
floating here.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
What they can also do is they can put if
you stand up just one time and freeze it. They
can put the date of your concert that you're throwing
in a couple of months.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
On my shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
On your shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Well, it's March twenty ninth. To put it on there, guys,
March twenty ninth at the Greek Theater. Donald, by the way,
I meant to ask you, I'm gonna ask you live
in front of the listeners. We'll do it live. Well,
do it live? Will you be a presenter at the
benefit concert and introduce one of the bands with me?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Is it cold Play?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Then I don't know if I'm available.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I thought, you know, it's funny, you say, Jesus, you
know what's funny about this? You know what's funny about this?
I thought that our shtick. Sorry this is a spoiler
for those of you coming to the concert, but I
thought our stick could be.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Is it a black guy?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah? No, no? Is it what you said when I
gave Donald the Garden State script?

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Are there any black people in the script? You know?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
And then to which I responded, yes, there are two
black men in the movie. And you said, am I
right for any of them? And I said, I already
gave up. No, I said, from one of them, you're
not right, and for the one you are right. For
I already gave to method man, to which you replied,
then I don't need to read the script.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
The script.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
And he never reade it read it. And I thought
we could tell that story to the audience.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Sounds great.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
And then I thought the other story we could tell. Sorry,
this is a spoiler for any of you coming to
the concert. The other story I thought we could tell
would be it would be a do you remember we
did a friends and family swing of Garden State, maybe
like a fifty to one hundred people who I knew
were like, you know, just just so we could get feedback.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
That was the That was the wrong choice of words.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
You can't say to get feedback, because I gave feedback.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
And a funny story is that the movie had an
ending that I needed to trim. It was too it
was too dark, and it kind of was multiple endings,
but I was clutching onto it. I really didn't want
to let it go. And Danny DeVito, who was the
executive producer on a movie, he led the focus group
after watching the movie and said to all of my
friends and family and people that worked with the movie,

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they said, does anyone feel like the movie has too
many endings? One hand shoots up in the center of
the audience, Donald Faizon, and he's got that looked at him.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I I look at him.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I go I said to him, Yo, I'm sorry, dog,
but it does have too many endings.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Man, I feel like it wants too many times.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I was like, he was right away, you come back,
you know what I mean, Like, it just seems like,
what is it gonna be?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Is she gonna be alone? Is she gonna be with you?

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Oh? That part I I cut the I cut them
sort of ending. That was a sad part of the
ending that I cut. But you were right, you and
Danny DeVito and everybody else, Bill Laurence, everyone who gave
me notes was right that I needed to trim the ending.
But the point was that I wasn't ready. I wasn't
there yet, and I was certainly not expecting my best
friend to be the one who shoots hand up to
Dany de Vito and be like, I haven't.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Really started laughing. You started laughing. You're like this ninja.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Because everybody else like even if they were thinking it.
They're my friends and my family. They might they were
trying to I imagine if I was in that situation,
you're like trying to think, like, what's the tackful way
to do this? I probably should tell Zach I agree
with Danny, but maybe I'll do it in private. This
dude's arms shut up. I have things to say.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I got notes. I think I believe our friendship is
like that though. I believe if I had something and
you were like, it doesn't work, you would say right
away it doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well, what I mean? I would say that your wife
does that all the time. Yeah, we an't around. She
doesn't censor.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Birds of a feather.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, yeah she My wife doesn't censor at all.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
And then when you get in an argument where you're like,
what the fuck, she's like, I'm just keeping it rail,
don't y'all want me to keep it rail?

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yes, prospector no judgments.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
She also says, no judgments. I'm just keeping no judgments, y'all.
All right, no judgments, y'all. That's what she says before
she drops some crazy ship. All right, no judgments, y'all,
And then she says something crazy, outrageous and you're like, oh,
I agreed to no judgments.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
I said no judgments.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I inadvertently signed up for no judgments, but I have judgments.
She doesn't give you a chance to say whether you
sign up for no judgments. She just says no judgments
and then launches into some shit might have judgments about?

Speaker 3 (05:51):
She does not give a ship so much?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Don't she get the Grammys? Yo?

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Good?

Speaker 2 (05:57):
That was pretty impressive, man, so good.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
I want to Broadway Musical number performance Ala Matilda.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Texting the whole time, all of them, that whole that
whole new.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Artist the new artist section.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Oh my god, that single one of the best New
Artist category I've seen in a really really really really
long time.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
But it's usually just one flips off the piano. I
don't even know that dude, Vincent, please by the way.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I want you, I need you, O gun, don't take
There's beautiful things.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
That a god dog by the way. I've heard that song,
of course, all over the internet, but I've never seen
what he looks like, nor that he was such an
incredible performer. I mean, that was amazing.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
That out of all of them, in my opinion, he's
the best performer.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
But out slowed downn't She was fucking amazing?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, absolutely, but I'm trying. This motherfucker is just himself
on the stage doing flips. Had a lot of props
going on, so did Serena, no doubt. But the ones
that he had just a piano and him.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
And a sparkling ones and a band.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
And a sparkly ones freaking uh what's your name?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
What's her name?

Speaker 5 (07:19):
Uh uh?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
The shoot pink, the pony chaperone. She had a freaking
whole thing too, you know what I mean, Like everybody
had some type of uh uh you know.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Performance production.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
It's just him and the flips, and and and and
the and the onesie.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
He was he was hot. They cut to sizzle in
the front row after she was all hot and bothered.
Do you see her face?

Speaker 3 (07:50):
That boy got it. That boy got it.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
All of them got it though. That was the thing
that was the thing that was so amazing. Everyone in
that category had, even the band that really didn't sing,
they were just playing the music they had.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
It was the English singer I don't know her either,
May something with an m Ray Ray. She was incredible.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
She's delightful. Lovey oh.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
I had never heard of her. She was in I mean,
since this is why the Grammys are good, as you
that little section where you get to learn all these
musicians you didn't even ever heard of before that. I
didn't know. Shaboozy was like country.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, yeah, exclusively, that's Dolly Parton's godson.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Really, the dude was getting no shine until freaking Beyonce.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (08:37):
She did blow him up. But after he had a
number one track for like a record, breaking him out
of weeks. So he did the Tipsy Song remix. It
was country that took over. And then he appeared on
two tracks on the.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Okay and then all right, wait what about there was
so much How about a re evo singing that song
for Jones?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Jones moment, I was a little bit beside myself was
really beautiful.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
IM gonna keep a one hundred. Will Smith did seem
a little he was a little shook, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
I thought it was accept me.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Are you gonna? Are you gonna? Am I? Are we cool?

Speaker 6 (09:21):
Yet?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I don't know. I thought it was weird, like if
you're gonna, if you're gonna, if you're gonna come back,
don't come back. In an award show. It's just to me.
It could have anonymous stomach.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
It's a music awards. They didn't exactly like my kids
are here and hang out. I guess what do you.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Think, Joelle? What would Joelle? You didn't you didn't have
a pit in your stomach. When you saw Will Smith
at an award show, I was like, really, what.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
About his son? What about his son's a hat?

Speaker 1 (09:53):
And I loved him something. The kid knows how to trend.
The kid knows how to eis does try. Everyone's like
everyone falls for it. Every time. He's like, I'm gonna
wear a house in my head and then everyone talks
about it. It makes memes and he's like, I wont
everyone's talking about me?

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Sounds like like he knows how to get that attention. Man,
he's good at that. Ship man is amazing.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
He has mastered the art of I would like to
be trending all over the internet. Yes, I'm gonna wear
a house on my head.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
He wore a house on his head.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I saw a funny meme where someone put like an
angry face in the hole where his was. It was
like it was like Dad's dads. When someone's turning around
in your Driveway. Well, I thought it was a very

(10:51):
entertaining show. Most importantly, I just thought it showcased so
much talent, and those categories were like, how could you
possibly by our friend? Andrew Watt won two Grammys, one
for Die with a Smile and one for Best Rock
Album for The Rolling Stones.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
I'm gonna say something really quick.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Wait before you do, I just want to say.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
It has something to do with Andrew to remember.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I just want to say that. Then they dropped that
whole Gaga god. Yeah, Andrew wrote that.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Well He's back and Cheese back.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Oh wow.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
They killed it the way the girls were like to
the club immediately added to the hit playlist, like the
New Workout album, the New Dance Club song It's Fire.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Kid Is. He won, He won Best Rock Producer with
The Stones. Then he wins whatever the category was for
Die with a Smile. And then they showed they debut
that whole Lady Gaga fucking music video and he wrote that.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Song I'm gonna say something, Go ahead. I feel like.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Charlotte Lawrence got a lot of face time at the Grammys. Yeah,
and she looked amazing, And I believe now is the
time to capitalize because I know a lot of people
were saying, who's that lovely girl right there?

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Who's that? Who is that pretty young lady right there?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
I know there were some fire I know there were
several people wondering who she was.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Well, they're going to find out in twenty twenty five, Donalds.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I believe, so. I believe now is the time to
strike because the iron is hot.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
And when you have her on a podcast, she will
come songs of earphones.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
She will have a dongle.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh yeah, she will search for a dongle and only
have a butt plug. This is an easter egg for
those of you who listen to the podcast regularly. What
you're trying to get into a dare what you're trying
to do? How about this? We shouldn't talk about it,
but this Baldoni uh Blake Lively thing, that's just good hands.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
That is nuts And I don't know what to believe
at all.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Well, I'm not gonna We're not gonna go down there.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
I don't want to be. I don't want to be.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I started reading. I spent way too much time reading
the website.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Be involved, you know, I do not don't want any
of the smoke.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Trying to get involved, but didn't read any Did you
read any of the website?

Speaker 4 (13:32):
I read everything a gas the text message change. I
was like, this is wild. But then even if you
like take a step back and you're like, Okay, I'm
not sure this is all just stuff that's been admitted
into evidence.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
You know.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
I follow a ton of lawyers on Instagram. They've been
breaking it down for me and they're like, so this
is like not all of this stuff is We're one hundred.
We don't know the source of where these texts came
from is kind of a mystery, Like how true is everything?
And then like all the stuff playing out in the news.
I like the judge I think yesterday was like, hey, guys,
if I keep seeing stuff in the news, we're gonna
have a real problem. Like this has got to stop.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Let me just ask a question.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Did the judge say the gag order does not there's
no such thing as a gag order in this situation.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
You can't gag you. Is that what happened?

Speaker 4 (14:16):
I think what he was just saying is he called
both sides of lawyers to the bench and was essentially like,
you guys cannot keep leaking stuff too. So I don't
think there. I'm not sure there's an official gag order
or not, but he's definitely displeased that all of this
was playing out when it's an active court case.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
What's bizarre is that. I mean, it's just so a
lot of this stuff happens all the time in Hollywood,
but the fact that everyone's got receipts, it's so crazy. Yeah, crazy, dude.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
The receipts are the.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Receipts are flowing like a river.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Holy cow. It's like that thing.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
You remember that little typewriter that you had as a kid,
the money counter thing, and you will pretend you were
an accountant or she just kept coming out. The paper
just kept coming out. That's what the receipts are like.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Right, I love that thing. I love that CALCULI I
was a cashier at the supermarket.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, that's what the receipts.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
To get one of those on eBay for no reason,
just to.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Have you guys just keep in business.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Holy cow.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Do you have Katie here when you are ready?

Speaker 1 (15:22):
I can't let her in, but I again, we don't
know anything, audience, but it is a fascinating story, and.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
We don't want to be involved either.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
We don't do not want to be involved like Cads.
I'm not doing a deep dive like Candae owns. Candace
Owes has pivoted to full time investigator of this story.

(15:50):
I found myself about to be like, oh my god,
am I going to click on a Candace Owens video?
I was like, you cannot. I was curious about what
she had to say.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Let me AlCl rhythm please.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Joelle for real. I was like, I don't want my
algorithm to go down to the Candice Owen's wormhole. But
I was curious about her thoughts on the issue. Yeah,
because told me that, uh that she's gone all in.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
It looks to the lifetime movie when all of this
is a result.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Uh oh yeah, I want to I want to play
justice is it?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Isn't Michael Moore doing a freaking uh a documentary on it?

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Is that his name Michael?

Speaker 4 (16:28):
That would be wild?

Speaker 1 (16:29):
What Michael Moore like social issues? He's not.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
This is a social issue.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
It's a issue. It's a Hollywood he said. She said,
it says took over a movie and socially everyone is more.
Michael Moore does who fucking took down Michigan? Literally Andy Wire?

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Michael Moore teases what something and may have to do
with the lively Aboutdony legal dispute. This is according to
Indy Wire, which I trust them.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
That Donald I'm sorry, but it's not a social issue.
But that is crazy that he's doing. Why is Michael
Moore doing a story about this?

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Because everyone is invested. Everyone wants to everyone.

Speaker 6 (17:16):
Too.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
I don't care if you think about the me Too.
Movie's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I'm the opposite of Daniel. I am very invested because
that people are invested. Listen, I just want to say,
because this a lot of this stuff happens behind the
scenes and people never see it, and people in Hollywood
swallow it and they bury it and it never gets discussed.
And because this is so public, and because both parties

(17:45):
have such lengthy receipts, it is kind of fascinating. It's
horrible for all the people involved having their dirty laundry aired,
but it is sort of fascinating to everyone because this happened.
This kind of bullshit in Shenanigan happens all the time.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
This is like the O J.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Troud, This is like the Menindez trials. This is like
freaking uh without murder. Somebody somebody's character is gonna get
murdered at the end of this. Somebody's going down. Somebody
there's a winner and a loser. It's got to be
It's not nobody. It's not gonna be Hey, you know what,
you both are right, We're gonna separate it one. Somebody's
going down. I don't know who it is, but somebody's

(18:24):
got to take the fall for how.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
About the whole like, how about the whole side quest
of fucking the allegation that that that nice Pool is
based on Justin and.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
It's like at dis a Justin Planet, it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
And that, And then in the credits for for Deadpool,
what did they do?

Speaker 4 (18:43):
They Ryan has a character who he called like he's
played in another movie that was his twin. It's like,
oh no, it was for any one of you know.
Ryan's big thing is that he partners with brands to
release different commercials that are timely, ineffective and like whatever's
in the zeitgeist in the moment. So at one point
he was interviewing himself and his twin was named like
greg or something, and they gave a thank you credit

(19:06):
to Greg in the at the end of the Deadpool thing,
and people think that that's like Greg was playing nice
Pool and nice Pool is like it's supposed to be
a reference to Justin Boldoonney. I don't know if any
of this is true, but these are the theories people
have come up with online.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, because nice Pool. I didn't see the movie, but
nice Pool apparently like says like, I'm I have a
podcast on women's issues and he's got a man bun
like Justin.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
This is one of those things that he should have
just swallowed though, because that's like man bun has a podcast.
It's so broad, but you're bringing it up and being
like that's me makes people go hmmm, hit dog hollering.
Maybe what's going on a lot of questions.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
All I'm saying is there's gonna be a winner and
there's gonna be a loser. It's not gonna be.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
She's got more money than God and a following think.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
So Joelle, I don't think she's winning currently in the zeitgeist,
in the in the public court of public opinion.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
She'll go through the same thing all women do, which is,
once you're accused, a whole bunch of people will be like,
we believe she's awful and we hate her. And and
she had her wedding at like on a plantation. It's awful,
but she is Ryan Reynolds money behind her. She was
again more money than God. Justin Valdi doesn't have any
of that, and enough people will.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
On a plantation.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
She sure did. She did, And that's why black women
do not like Blake.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
What was the theme?

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Yeah, I kind of not really, It's like, oh, Antebellum,
classy kind of vibes, and it's.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Like girls them blade them blade the lady Anabellum changed
the name because lady and because Annabellum is not it
is not appropriate.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
All right. We can talk forever about all these fun issues,
but I think we should We shouldn't fight our guests.
In Donald that about sure we made about a bunch of.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
I said, he's so.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
Yea yeah, my k. How are you welco?

Speaker 1 (21:26):
I was just thinking about how many things I have
to ask you. I don't even know where to begin.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
The last time I saw Joshua Raiding concert?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Is that the last time you saw Katie Lows?

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 7 (21:38):
I love Joshua Raiding, God, I love him.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
He I mean, my husband likes him. I really like him.
But my husband's like, I think my husband would leave
me for Joshua Raid And that's how much my man.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
That man's sweet sweet vocals really enticed my husband.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Your husband is a man of Whisper Rock.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
I remember the sound, and I.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
Wait, there's one other guy in the Whisper Rock. What
is his name?

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh god? Here Harry Brothers.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Oh and Adam loves Carrie Brothers more dating, he loves him.
But there's one more.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
Oh god, oh god, I want to text him so bad.
Oh god, it's like an interesting name. He's in the
Josh Rayden Crew. It was my tenth wedding anniversary. We
were a napa. The guy saying it's a whisper I
mean it's like like you can't even.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Clink a glass, like in the ball when you're listening.
It's horrific. I mean, it's like scary.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Even when Josh comes on the podcast, he takes on
this character voice that is not really how he talks
in real life, but he plays this guy. He's like,
it just has everybody so nice. Whisper Rock is so wonderful.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
It's so nice to be here.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Just to be here.

Speaker 7 (22:49):
I think he's going to be the sing like he
Because of that, I feel like we'll be singing till
he's like a hundred right, Like I feel like I've
yelled so much of my life, and I feel like
my voice is already just tracked.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Well, you have a really good voice. Let's start off
talking about you, our guest.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
Oh my god, let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
You're in one of my favorite musicals, Waitress. I love Waitress.
I have a very special place in my heart for Waitress. Okay, Well,
I love sar Moelis more than anything. And be Nick Cordero,
our friend that we lost was was in the original
cast and I saw the show so many times with
many different actresses. But you and and your husband did

(23:33):
it together. How cute is that?

Speaker 5 (23:34):
Oh? Yeah, we yeah, it was kind.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Of you were Dawn.

Speaker 7 (23:38):
I assume I was down, you know, the me and
Adam were the side comedy reliefs.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Which to next where.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Christ Fitzgerald played Adam's original party and I love that
party comes in and he steals the whole show.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
Oh, the show literally stops halfway through. His character has
a big number that stops the plot.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Everyone's up on their feet.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
Because it's comedic, musical theater Gene. But Sarah Burrellas was
a friend of Adam's for a long time. You know,
we would go see her at Hotel cafe with like
twenty people at the beginning of her career and.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yes, and she was such a superstar.

Speaker 7 (24:13):
And one morning we had a seven month old baby,
we got a text from her that was like, how
would you guys like to make your Broadway debuts together?
And that is so cute and we were like, wait, wait, wait,
hold on a second. Then fear sets in. I can't
do it. I'm terrified.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
What are we doing?

Speaker 7 (24:29):
And we were also fans of the musical too, because
we were friends with Sarah and had watched it a
million times because she wrote it and then she starred
in it.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
So we By the way, for those of you who
don't know the show, this couple is the epicenter of
the comic relief. I mean, everyone's got jokes, but this
couple that they play is the are the silliest and
the funniest and.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
We get married eight times a week in the show.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
That's the other thing.

Speaker 7 (24:53):
Yeah, so that's cute. But so after she said would
you be into it?

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Then we had to audition a million times, which was.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Wait, why she offered you the part of then said
would you be lean the audition?

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Well, she was like, would you want to do it?

Speaker 7 (25:05):
We were like, yes, we would move to New York
tomorrow with our baby.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
We'd figure it out. And but then she was like,
but can you hack it? I mean, this is.

Speaker 7 (25:13):
Broadway people, This is the hardest am I left a
curse on this.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, you can say shit, oh god, oh don't say fuck.
We just don't say fuck.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
It was the hardest ship I have ever done. I
so when you we auditioned a bunch of times. We
had to send in a bunch of tapes. And I
can sing the shit out of that Dawn solo one time.
I can do it once and then I can't talk
for two weeks.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
So I sold it.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
We booked the parts within seven days, we'd moved to
New York, and in fourteen days we opened on Broadway.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
That's the amount of rehearsal you get.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Oh my god, I got goosebumps.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
It well.

Speaker 7 (25:50):
I cried every day I thought I couldn't do it.
Thank God for my husband was like, just give it
one more day, Just give it one more day, Just
give it one more day.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
I think we got I know, I know, you guys.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Are such a cute couple. It really is nauseating.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
It's nauseating.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
I had to sit them at the Joshua Raiding concert that.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, weere, they probably are probably can noodling and rubbing noses.

Speaker 7 (26:11):
No, we as sadly asn't into PDAs at all. I
ask them all the time. I'm like, can you hold
my hand? Can you like kiss my neck? Like any
of the ship from the beginning, we're so we're like
old bickering.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
You guys have touched at the hip. You might not
have been like all over each other, but you got
pretty like, eh, this is my person.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I wait, go back to the story. Go back to
this story, because I I I I love Holy shit,
I am about to open on Broadway and I'm not ready,
and it was I was not ready.

Speaker 7 (26:38):
I've never run it. I'd never run it. I mean
when they when you do, see Okay. My understanding is
if you originate a Broadway character, which I've never done,
you get a ton of rehearsal, there's workshops, there's notes
in all this. But if you're a pudd in, which
is what we were, you get just put into people
who came out of a show that already works, that's
up and running.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
So explain to people that don't know theater at all, Yeah,
what are your When do you rehearse on your own?
Of course, and you rehearse with the musical director, but
when are you rehearsing with the cast before you go
live in from an audience?

Speaker 7 (27:07):
You rehearse with the understudies for about a week in
change before and then you rehearse with the stage manager
who's sort of playing like fifteen roles, which is just
on in a rehearsal studio that's just taped out the
size of the stage. And then you get one put
in rehearsal the day of your opening on a moving

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set that has revolving floors. You've never done it with
the real cast. I'd never done it with the band.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Wait, I'm getting so nervous. You did this? You get
what did you ever rehearse with the band before you
went on the stage that day?

Speaker 7 (27:46):
You get one put in rehearsal with the band on
the stage with all the real props, with the cast
one and then you do it that night And I
can remember standing backstage, I had a seven month old baby,
and I was saying, this might be TMI, but my
mantra was, you pushed a baby out of your vagina,
you could do this.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
Like I just was like.

Speaker 7 (28:10):
I already face Yeah, I had already faced my biggest fear,
which was birthing a person and like surviving to tell
the story. And that was already scary enough from like
those seventh grade health videos of what birth looks like.
But anyway, I survived that, and I was like, then
I can do this. But actually this was worse. This
was worse than birth. This was worse.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
This was Wait, when you when you're in the pocket
and you're feeling it and you're getting laughs, do you
start to get confident.

Speaker 7 (28:38):
As soon as as soon as you guys know you're
such gamer.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
We've both done theater, and I can say for me,
every single show, I was nervous until I got a
first laugh, and then I'd be like, Okay, they're with me.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Now, that's how you that's how you knew that how
the night was gonna go if I got you know,
I remember I opened up a play with the first
line and.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
The nights that I didn't get to laugh and there wasn't.
There wasn't a lot of them. There wasn't.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Oh god, that's because you're a genius.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
But few but the one, two, three, four times that
I didn't, Oh my god, I knew right there now
this is going to be a long fucking good this
is going to be a long night.

Speaker 7 (29:21):
There's nothing like like, I'm such a I didn't know
I was ever going to do TV and film, like I.
I grew up in New York, like my mother talks
like this, I grew up in Ozone Park, Queens like
I just thought I was going to be a Broadway kid,
come hell of high water. Like I remember my mother
being like, you should take drivers ed and I was like, why,
I'm going to live in New York forever. I'm never
going to fucking drive a car. It doesn't matter. And

(29:44):
by twenty four now in New York, I was so
over waiting tables, and I had done off Broadway, you know,
off Broadway for two hundred and fifty dollars a week,
a million times over. And then someone was like, I
think you should try LA for three months, and I
did and told my parents I'd be home in three months.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
And then I just never went home, I met my husband.

Speaker 7 (30:04):
Right you know, you start getting I didn't get anything
right away.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
I waitressed here too forever. You guys were would you?
Were you guys regulars at Ammo? I feel like I
must have waited on you.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Where's AMMO at?

Speaker 7 (30:14):
Amma was on Highland just north of Santa Monica Boulevard.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
It was a.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Big Now it's salts Care.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
That's exactly right, Zach, because.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I'm an investor in Saltz Care, so I know exactly
where AMMO is.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
Okay, So AMMA was like I.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Actually never really went there, but I know maybe once
or twice, but I remember it was a hotspot.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
It was a big power hour lunch, like producers and
you know, directors and people would meet there because Highland
was in between studios in the valley and studios and how.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Coming from Paramount, it was perfect exactly.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
So I waited there forever.

Speaker 7 (30:47):
But you know, I kept getting like, oh, you're testing,
you're testing, and so it felt like if I went
home to New York, like I was quitting or something.
But theater is always going to be my it's my love.
But to bring it back around, there's nothing more than
every time I sign up to do a play on
backstage every night, every performance, saying why did I do
this to myself? Why would I put myself through this?
This is insane? Why would I put myself out there

(31:10):
to be judged by people?

Speaker 1 (31:12):
And with seven thirty, Right in seven thirty, you hear
this is your half hour call. This is your half
hour call, and right then you're like, why did I
sign up for this?

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I just I just remember when they when that call
would come out, this is the half hour call.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I would take the script out and.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Go over every fucking line or at speed through the
whole fucking thing, because I did not want to forget anything.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Let me just go through this ship one more time,
just to make sure.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, even I've done on so many performances.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
So many I don't want to mess up. I don't
want to lose, you know what I mean? I remember
that speaking of uh being what did you call the
term being a put in?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Put in? I never heard that, but.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, that's the first time I ever heard of that.
We had an understudy on the We had a bunch
of understudies, and we never I never met the understudies ever.
I think we met them once, right, and we never
rehearsed with them or anything. And this guy, it's crazy,
this guy marcelle Spears, who's now on the neighborhood. He

(32:17):
played this character in the play called Slenderman. It was
we were doing Picasso the Lapanagile. We played Slenderman. And
it's the hardest part in the show because you have
to come in for one scene and kill it and
then are off stage. Hardest part in the show, and

(32:37):
everybody wants to do that part because it's also the.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Funniest part in the show too.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
The understudy comes in and we've never rehearsed with the understudy.
Marcel's in, Marcel's in La testing for the neighborhood or
some shit like that, or one of this shows. No,
he did a show with evet Nicole Brown before that.

(33:04):
The understudy comes in and he has too we now
know he has two nights. The first night it's not
the same, dude, it's not the same at all, Like
it's it's just dead. The audience doesn't laugh or any.

Speaker 8 (33:19):
Oh no, no, my god, and Marcel gets Marcel walks
off stage and gets standing ovations, you know what I mean,
Like that's how good he was in this this dude
comes in and leaves.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Hal Lindon has the line after Slenderman leaves, he goes,
what the hell was that? And that was the biggest
laugh that that line ever got. Oh my god, just
because so bad, so bad?

Speaker 5 (33:49):
Oh God.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Now granted, the second night, the kid redeems himself. He
gets applause when he leaves, and you know, it was great,
But the first night it was, it was.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Well, it's such a big ask to go on stage.
I mean, an understudy has such a hard task because
they haven't done it. And they haven't you know, an
actor gets an actor who has the part, gets to
rehearse it, gets to.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Figure chemistry with the people, like, oh god, did you
guys get to the point. I got to the point.

Speaker 7 (34:19):
I have to say, though, like I couldn't do it now,
but when Adam and I got it, and like I said,
I could only sing the song once. So when we
first started doing it, I honestly didn't know if I
could do eight shows a week. And I remember like
we were we were every morning like like just using
like sign language hands for everything to save your voice.
We weren't going out to any restaurants in New York

(34:39):
that were loud with friends who would come to see
the show, like absolutely not.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
It was all about saving voice.

Speaker 7 (34:45):
And I can remember I was paying this Broadway voice
coach ajillion dollars to keep my voice in check and
all this, and then I come into my dressing room
the first night and I have a personal nebulizer and
a scarf around my I mean, I am I am
playing the I mean, I am really doing this. And

(35:05):
I said to her, Oh, okay, this is my vocal
warm up. Like we're sharing a dressing room. I don't
know what private space you need, but like this is
my like no.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
No, no, no no no, like.

Speaker 7 (35:13):
Like doing all my stuff. And I was like, what's
your warm up? So I give you space? And this
is an amazing actress, Tony nominated, like Retha Franklin. Voice
incredible And she just looks at me and she was like,
I drink a PEPSI that's her one.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
And I was like, oh my god, I am fucked.
Like I can't do this.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I can't do this.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Who is who is the lead? Jenna?

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Jenna?

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Who did it?

Speaker 7 (35:37):
We started with Kat McFee, which was wonderful.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, I love He's perfect for it. By the way
I almost I almost was. Do you know that I
almost did the part with Kat McFee? Why did you
he may have been in the show together. You know
what happened. I got cold feet because I Saron knew
how much I love the show, and she eventually and
I'm daydream about dream daydreaming about it to everyone.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
You would have been amazing.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I made it known that it was my daydream. But
you know what, I got cold feet because Drew Gailing
has the most insane voice, and he originated the role.
And I listened to the soundtrack and I'm like, I
just I would feel And I even said to Sarah,
I said, I can't sing like Drew. I can carry
a tune. She goes, It's okay, we'll make it. We'll
make it fit for you. And I was like, I know,

(36:26):
but the audience who's listened to the soundtrack and heard
Drew fucking Gailing, they're expecting like runs and harmonies and
all this stuff that it's just I can't sing like that.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
And I loved you would have found others listen.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I would have found other stuff and I would have
made them laugh with my own thing. But I just
got in my head about about again. I'm not, I'm not.
This isn't false humility. I can carry a tune, but
Drew has a preposterous voice, and I just kind of
got in my head about it and I didn't.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
That's like, that's like me saying, yo, you know what.
I always wanted to play Alphaba after after the seam.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Actually, Donald has I would love for once in his
life for Donald to do a Broadway musical because he
legit has a holy ship voice. I didn't only singing
these t mobile ads. We oh you know Clugman. Of
course we sing these ads. And then then they're like,
all right, Donald, would you mind laying down like seven harmonies?

(37:33):
And he does it. Donald comes up with the harmonies
with them, does them, and then I go to it singing.
I'm like, do you guys want me to lay down
any harmonies?

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Like?

Speaker 1 (37:40):
No, No, we're good. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Were you a singer? Donald? Like you sing?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
I was in a band when I was a kid,
and you know, I grew up in musical theater at
the National Black Theater and horror ship like that, and
so my parents performed all the time, and that was
our thing. We used to you know, you remember vacation
when they're on the road singing the Marty Moose song

(38:05):
or the.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Wally World song.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
Yeah, so you just sang all the time. Oh, I
love that.

Speaker 7 (38:12):
I have to say, I hope I get like I
would love to do it again because now, like I
have to say, by the end of it, like how
we started being so careful and freaked out. By the end,
I was like the rest of the bitches and the
chorus that was like I was out at all the restaurants,
so four o'clock nor I was smoking cigar, I.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Was drinking, I wasn't warming up. I didn't give a shit,
Like it.

Speaker 7 (38:33):
Was so great because when you finally have done one
hundred and seventy five or two hundred and.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
Fifty shows what happens to.

Speaker 7 (38:41):
Your body and your chords is like it's like if
you did a hundred crunches every day, like obviously you
just get stronger and stronger. And I did my I
could just do it. I could just do it. I
could talk all night the night before gas bagging, blah
blah blah. So now that I know that, that's the thing,
I feel like if I ever got the opportunity to
do it again, and I would have a better time.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
That's you can't do. I mean to me, like half
the fun of doing a Broadway show is the fun
you have after and going out with friends and all
the enjoying New York City together.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
That's where I saw. I saw you at Bar Centrall
Zach or is it bars and Trolley? I don't even
know how you say whichever.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yeah, that's one of my haunts.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
That's my one haunts. My one of my haunts as well.

Speaker 7 (39:25):
I was just coming off of I do like a
Broadway two weeks every year week I go see like every.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Show I try.

Speaker 7 (39:31):
And I was coming off of Stereophonic, and you were
coming off of Inappropriate I think, or you had seen
Inappropriate the night before we.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
Were on it. We were on the same.

Speaker 7 (39:41):
Tray, we were cragging about. We were at Bar Centrall,
we were with casts. We were drinking the drinks. I'm
having my Negronie, I'm having my.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Fris collection the gronies too. You guys went away back
home to New York, to the Tri State area, and
somebody said, you know what you need to drink is
a motherfucking the GRONI and.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
All y'allm up, y'all. Oh you Broadway types. I'm having
to Gronie, Oh, I love.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I want to say, our friend Preston Boyd. You know
Preston Boyd?

Speaker 5 (40:08):
No, who's that.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
He's our friend And he has the most insane voice
of anybody I know. And he was He just did
the Leyman's tour as Javert.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
And I said to him thing about I said, do
you ever want to play Jean Valjean because he has
the voice to do it? And he goes, no, I
mean the guy who plays Jean Valjean. I mean, he
really can't go out. He can't do anything. He's got
to be like he's like, he's like, he's like he's
got to go home. He's got to do all this
shit you're talking about nebulizers and los andes. He's like,
I want to go have fun, So like i'd better

(40:39):
play Javert. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (40:40):
I agree that they also have all these like what
I loved about it too, they have all these people,
like they have the like Broadway doctor that comes and
shoots you up with steroids when you lose your voice.
They have the Broadway doctor that stops by and shoots
B twelve shots, like and everyone's asked to get through
a five show weekend. You're really like part of a
whole whole system of insanity.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
But singing with a band, I mean, how fun. I
mean I did Bullet of a Broadway and well it
was great. We had a twenty five piece orchestra, I mean,
and it was just like it was one of the
highest highs of my life.

Speaker 7 (41:14):
Oh, I love that, guys. We should do Waitress in
La starring us. Let's check Sarah brellas right now. We
could just do like a four limited show engagement.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Donald could sing the Doctor Palmerer part like a motherfucker.
We should do that because I remember McPhee was who
they were thinking I was going to be opposite of,
and then who came on after mci.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Then we had Nicolette Robinson. Oh, yes, I know her,
who is amazing and married her Donald.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Oh, she has an insane voice and she's married.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
To Leslie Odom Junior.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Leslie Odom Junior.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
So when there was a Smash, it was like a
Smash reunion.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
Are you into Smash?

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Oh? We both love Smash.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
You went to Smash.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
I'm the most into Smash, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
When I went and did a Broadway show. But I
went and when I went and did a Broadway show,
I was so into Smash And I went to like
all the all the dancers and everyone saying, so are
you guys watching Smash? And They're like, no, what the
fuck are you talking about? And I was like, I
was so geeked to talk Smash with.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I ran up, I ran up on the guy from
the dude that what's the guy that dates?

Speaker 7 (42:22):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Why am I forgetting names? Right now?

Speaker 7 (42:26):
If I Lexington fifty second Street, that's the one I
always say.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
I love because history was made at night. Son turned
out the nights and listen.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Donald, you know the musical of the show, know.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
Can we.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Did you know?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
You didn't know?

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (42:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Smash? Smash the musical is set to open on Broadway.

Speaker 7 (42:51):
Yeah yeah, just starring my friend cast. It has a
great cast, like solid, solid cast.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
We should all go.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Who was playing McFee?

Speaker 7 (43:01):
Hold on, let's look this separation audition for McFee. You
definitely should have. And I will never forget Smash on Broadway. Wait,
hold on, I will never.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Forget such a crush on her on that show.

Speaker 7 (43:13):
Oh she was the hottest of the hot are you
she also is let me be stuff, come on like
that was sanger. Well, I've embarrassed the ship out of
myself and I'm gonna look up in one second. But
when I I embarrassed myself when I I was at

(43:34):
an upfront party and Leslie Odam Junior was there and
this is pre Hamilton.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
Pre anything before he was a household name.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
Before any of this, and I went running up to
him and I said, your work on smash is.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Serious.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
I was.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
I was like, I was like, whatever.

Speaker 7 (43:55):
The drink before Nigrony was in New York, whatever it was,
I was on it. And I was saying to him
that my husband and I your words.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
Oh, I clutched my pearls.

Speaker 7 (44:05):
And I've seen him recently and we still talk about
it and I still bring it up and he remembers it,
and he was like he thought I was kind of joking.
I think, but wait, okay, hold on this cast is
it look? The photos look amazing. I think we should go.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I think I just can't believe that it made it
to Broadway. It's a great idea, dude, That's what the
show is about.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
You. They're Broadway, They're not doing this. You're clear they're
not doing the show within the show they're doing. They're
doing the whole They're doing the idea of like a
company trying to launch a musical.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yes, I know, I know that, but that was the
when I first.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Heard about it, I was like, Oh, I hope they're
not just doing the show.

Speaker 7 (44:47):
Marilyn Monroe Chrystal Rodriguez, who was originally in the TV
show too, and I've seen her in a million Broadway shows.
She's in it too. She's playing Tracy. I don't remember
anybody's names, but here's I remember when they made the
Tea V show that the intention was that there was
if it was a success, which it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
Our hearts and minds.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
There were two seasons.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Hey, we were the only three people watching it, We
really were.

Speaker 7 (45:12):
But I thought the original idea was that it was
supposed to always be a Broadway show too.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah am I, But back then it may have been
that they were going to then launch the shows in
the show.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Right, But they didn't season right.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Season two, they completely scrapped the show and it's no
longer in existence.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
And these guys are a smash rewatch podcast.

Speaker 7 (45:35):
Oh my god, can I be a guest can I
be there would.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Be no audience of four of us would be the
only audience.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
It would be.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
It would us and mcpee. Listen.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
The cast is so.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Good that, like I on became stars the stars, Let
me be your star.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Do you know brook Know who's that Brooks hysterical Broadway
character actor. He's very gay and very flamboyant, and he's
fucking hilarious. And he's playing the director.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
I know who he is.

Speaker 7 (46:10):
Yes, he's playing the director in the musical.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah, that's one aspect they've changed from the show. I
texted him when there was a press release. I go,
who are you playing? McPhee and he goes, no, I'm
the director.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
Oh my god, I think it's gonna be.

Speaker 7 (46:27):
I mean, I'm impressed that they've gotten the funding and everything.
I mean, to make a Broadway musical is so expensive.
It's like so that somebody must believe that there's an audience.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
I will be seated, Katie Os, I will be seated.

Speaker 7 (46:41):
I will be as well like front. Okay, let's find
out when it opens. But anyway, let's take a break.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
We'll be right back after these fine words. All right,
let's talk about other things since we only have you
a limited time.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Sorry, sorry, I can talk about Broadway.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
I have to admit something. I never watched Scandal, but
I know that that was your big breakthrough.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yes, and I love on.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Where I can contribute is that that Tony Goldwyn is
one of my favorite people on the planet.

Speaker 9 (47:14):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
And he's the nicest person I've ever met.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
That was my.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
That was my meet cute with you, if we can
use that word.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
I remember bond over Tony Goldman.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
Yes, we were at Brian Klugman's beach shack.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yes, and we were Brian Clugman for those of you
the audience, Just to remind you, he's our friend, but
also the don draper of all things t Mobile. He
writes all the tim Oblads and Katie knows him.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (47:42):
I'd like to be an extra in the next spot
you do. Thanks so much, Brian Klugman. Thanks for listening.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
Anyway.

Speaker 7 (47:47):
I love Brian Klugman. He has been a friend of
my husband's for a million years. They grew up together
in Philadelphia. They're big Eagles people and my husband.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
They're very excited because the Eagles are in those Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
Oh I haven't.

Speaker 7 (47:57):
My husband has a Philadelphia soft pretzel company called shape
Be Pretzel.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
That wait, let's do that as an aside rule. Okay,
because this story is fascinating.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
Sorry, So Tony, Yes, he's the best ever. And what
I went up to I was like, I think.

Speaker 7 (48:09):
We're friends with the same person, Tony Goldwin, and we
shared a sun set on the beach moment, just sharing
our love fest of Tony Goldwin.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
Okay, shaffy pretzel, Okay, let's talk about shappy pretzels.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Your husband created a hard pretzel because he loves them
from Philadelphia, right, Yeah, and they and he couldn't find
one that he thought was great out here. And it
started during COVID, as I understand it, because he needed
something to do, and it became very, very popular, so
much so that now it's a very popular hard pretzel brand.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
Soft pretzel.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
But that's all right, I fucked up everything but the texture.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
Hey, it's totally cool. Yes.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
In COVID, we realized we had a young our son
was probably two or three at the time. We were like, fuck,
we're never getting back to Philly. You're never going to
get a Philadelphia soft pretzel. My husband, we were bored
out of our minds. He just everyone was doing sourdough.
My husband was doing like every day figuring out how
to perfect the art of making a Philadelphia soft pretzel
in our oven.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
Every day.

Speaker 7 (49:05):
People from Philly are just driving up past our house
and Adam's like, try it, try it, try it, try it.
Four or five months go by and someone's like, holy shit,
I think you've got it.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
He cracked it.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
He cracked it. And then I was hosting.

Speaker 7 (49:19):
I was standing in for Kelly Rippa when she goes
on vacation, which I was doing a bunch of at
that time with Seacrest, and we were shooting it in
our living room because that's what everyone was doing over
zoom at that time, and Seacrest was like, what's Adam
been up to. I said, he's perfecting the art of
making the Philadelphia soft pretzel.

Speaker 5 (49:36):
We sent him some the next day he ate them
on air.

Speaker 7 (49:39):
Adam just said, Adam Shapiro is his name, but Shappie's
been his nickname since Sleepway Camp when he's.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Eight years old.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
But he just bought Shappy Pretzel at gmail dot com
and Shappy Pretzel dot com and the only thing on
the website was your mall's pretzel. Can go fuck itself
and we have sold were the pretzels at the oscars
underneath five thousand feet shat the we're it fucking so far.
We're a pladium where it will turn shut and so

(50:08):
we're we just realized that it's almost a five year
old company. It's a total side hustle, but it exists.
It's like Adam's worked a bunch acting since then. We
have all these fucking pretzel employees. We've everyone knows where
I live.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
People work for the company.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
We have nine employees.

Speaker 7 (50:24):
We have a shabby pretzel truck with my husband's face
on the side of it, parked outside of our fucking house.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
So everyone knows where we.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Everyone comes by story though, so where does the audience
get them if they want to try?

Speaker 7 (50:36):
So We're on gold Belly so you can get them
shipped around the entire country and like the order because
when the Eagles make the Super Bowl, it is I mean,
my husband has is not sleeping this week, like it's over,
it's done.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
We have the wait. If I'm in anywhere in the country,
I go to gold Belly.

Speaker 7 (50:53):
What's called goldbelly dot com is like where you can
get any of your favorite foods that are only like
local to serve play like if you're like I only
like wings from this place, they might be on gold Belly.
So gold Belly is it's like if you like a
Russian daughter's bagel.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
You can go on a russ daughter's bagel a good example.

Speaker 7 (51:11):
Yeah, you're welcome. So now you can go on gold
Belly and you can get it shipped to you. So
all of his pretzels are shipped around the country. But
also if you're in the LA area, which it's l
a no no Philly Bourne, La bread is the long
one because he's smart.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
But how do you spell shappy for those s h
a p p y s h a p p y.
So if you're in the LA Area, you can go
to shappies.

Speaker 5 (51:36):
Shappy Pretzel dot com.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
We're out of canters, which is a legendary canters.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
To you speak like every girl I grew up with and.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Im Long Island.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
You're reminding me, you're reminding me.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Notice it's not Long Island, it's Long Island.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Long Islands. That's right.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
The more you talk, the more I'm just reminiscent of
like Hebrew School and oh yeah, j oh.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
Yeah, oh my god, I mean, I I was home
in New York this weekend and I was like, oh god,
this is like so crazy like my mother has. But anyway,
so shappy Pretzel dot Com was a shappy Pretzel was
a huge just crazy falling ass backwards into this other
business that we now run.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
It's why it.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Must be profitable. Are you making meaningful money off of them?

Speaker 3 (52:22):
I mean, I mean they're at the they're at the oscars.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
At the Oscars.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
You know, food business and perishable food is is you
know what.

Speaker 7 (52:31):
It's not an act, it's not an acting producing directing,
but it's you know what it provides in so many
other ways.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
It's it's amazing. Listen. Why don't you go on Shark Tank.

Speaker 7 (52:43):
Know all the Shark Tank people well between us and
everyone listening, just the people listening way beyond that and
the sharks who we know in our Pretzel clients have
told us that we are we don't need, like we're
way beyond that.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
You're beyond Oh yeah yeah, hold on, hold on now,
how about making some really good money we just.

Speaker 7 (53:08):
Don't need, Like we're not going to give up, Like
we don't need to give up. We have so many
people who want to invest because I want to invest.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
They love Philly there.

Speaker 7 (53:18):
Thank you call Adam. I'll give you his number. But anyway,
I love it. But anyway, it's just we don't need it,
like you know, people go on shark ting because they're
from a small town and they don't have connections like
you know Adam from Klugman.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
I mean Bradley Cooper and him.

Speaker 7 (53:31):
Text every day, like there's so many Philly people who
are love the company.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Right well, I want I want Bradley Shares before Bradley. Okay,
I'm off from Philly, but I would like to.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
But any way, New Jersey, which is close, but what.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
About I feel like, uh, you could beat that. What's
that brand that's in every.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Airport Annans or Wetsels.

Speaker 7 (53:53):
By the way, when I go to the Fashion Square
Square mall here in the valley where we live, and
my kids want What's which they no, no excuse me?
And Annie Ans which I always want. They always want it.
And my parents run into people that they want the
little cinnamon nuggets. And whenever I run into people and
we're holding those bags, people take pictures. They're like, look

(54:14):
at you cheating on you likes you know, you.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Know you know why your kids love that so much
because of Marriam what Mariam did that.

Speaker 7 (54:24):
Donald and I also shared the most sacred mutual thing,
which is our nanny who helped raise his babies, who
helped raise my babies.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
I got after you got.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yeah, you, she left us and went to you is
what happened?

Speaker 1 (54:42):
You didn't you didn't. And Miriam likes wetzels pretzels.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Well, she would take the kids to the mall yeah
and feed them.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Freak has shoppies. Pretzels gone into the uh the the
sweet world. Yet with cinnamon and sugar.

Speaker 7 (54:59):
Those are called little out which is my son's name.
My son's name is Albi. He works with the Shappy Pretzel.
He works at Shappy Pretzel on Saturdays. He gets two
dollars an hour.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
He's so cut about gluten free. Gluten free. So here's
the big those of us tummy.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Yeah, so here's the big reveal. There is not.

Speaker 7 (55:16):
However, I was diagnosed. Oh wow, this is really getting personal, guys, listens.
I was diagnosed with I have no symptoms.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
It's silent, silent Celiac silence monny.

Speaker 7 (55:31):
Second, and I can no longer eat gluten for the
rest of my life. My husband was in tears. He
was like, I'm the You're my pretzel queen, and now
he is being forced into figuring out how to deliver
to me, to the Los Angeles community and the world
a gluten free saw Philadelphia pretzel, which maybe, then, Zach,
we might be billionaires if.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
We crack back.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
I got to tell you, listen, I'll be it. I
love soft pretzels, but I do have a sense if
I'm not chiliact, but I have a gluten sensitivity, and
I could I could have a bite and be like,
oh my god, but if I eat a whole one,
I'd have stomach cramps.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Sure.

Speaker 7 (56:08):
Well, so he's going to break it, and why don't
you come will be the taste testers for the gluten
free soft pretzel.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
I he's got to get through Eagles.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
They have to win, and then we need to move
on to I didn't know that soft pretzels were of Philadelphia.
Think I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
I didn't really either.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
In New York, Yeah, Nathan's has a pretzel differently.

Speaker 7 (56:33):
There's the New York or Bavarian shaped, which is like
the steals are Bavarian shaped, and the shappy the Philadelphia
pretzels are more on their side and more long, and
they're linked and you rip them apart. Okay, I know
I'm gonna I'm going to show you guys, like so
that you understand like what we're working with, because then

(56:55):
you're going to realize.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
That every pretzel you've ever had is a piece of crap.
That's what you need to know.

Speaker 7 (57:01):
You really haven't had what this looks like like they
look like this connected. Can you see this?

Speaker 5 (57:12):
And you and you buy like.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Four and you rip them apart and you put mustard
on it, right you.

Speaker 7 (57:17):
Put we also have shabby pretzel mustard both golden and
your mouth is.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Water Mustard on my mouth is watering. Right now, It's.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
Really really been a weird, bizarre thing.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
But you know you do what about hot dog buns?

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Yeah, we expand pretzels experience, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (57:40):
We do, and we have like we have I mean,
look and also to be crazy, I know this is
this is turning all into an Adam LoveFest. But and yay,
scandal whatever, but I'm just saying, I Adam, I really
Adam recurs on the bear and I and I think
so much of that is because he's in this like
food world now, like as was.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
The genesis of him getting that part. I mean, other
than being a good actor.

Speaker 7 (58:04):
Well well we he auditioned, but they were so like
into the pretzel phenomenon, and they were they have so
many chefs around the show, and.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
You know, he's just really now like a foodie.

Speaker 7 (58:16):
He like travels and makes little social media videos tryings.
He's got like a real snack. He never grew up
from college trash snack food.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
It's what he specialized. So now he just like shoots
all this content.

Speaker 7 (58:31):
But I really think a big part of the bear
you know, they like having food food people around that have.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
Sort of like made a staple, and they really liked
his I think it was a combo.

Speaker 7 (58:40):
I think it was the acting and I think it
was also they were so blown away by his crazy story.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Joels, did you watch Scandal? Because I don't want to
give Scandal short shrift.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
I just don't know, yes, Scandal.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Scandal related questions.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
I love Casey, Oh my god, I love her so
much because Nicole Chavez, her best friend, is also my stylist.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Yes, which is the show was hot and heavy, right,
there was lots of sex.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
I had so much sex on that show.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
I was I ever jealous when you were having fake
TV sex.

Speaker 7 (59:18):
You know, we get asked that a lot, and you know,
when he married me, he felt like, oh shit, like
I'm kind of falling for the girl that always has
like a love story surrounding her and this is just
going to be like a part of this.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
And he, you know, he doesn't really get that kind
of part, but he actually has.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
He has now.

Speaker 5 (59:40):
He's just got to fucking close his eyes and deal
with it. Man, I mean the check clears, you know,
like get over it. I mean that's my job. And
like it's fucking awkward anyway. He knows it. I know it,
like I just you know, I think he was on
that show. I was very lucky to be paired with a.

Speaker 7 (01:00:00):
Much older gentleman George Newburn that we love it as
a dear friend, and he probably wasn't much threatened by
although he's a very handsome catch for everybody listening, and
he's actly married build. But my other lovengers on the
show that I had dirty, dirty sex scenes with his
Giermo Diaz.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
You're finished, okay, you know, so check this out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
It's such a fucking small world. Not only did I
have sex with him.

Speaker 9 (01:00:29):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Look, it's such a small world.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
So Guillermo and I did a short film back in
the day before we were large call Busted with Lauren Hill,
who went to high school with Zach Braff.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
The Circle, Circle of Love.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
That musical still holds on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I'm just saying New York, the Tri State area is
well represented in this In this podcast today, I'm just
put it out there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
So we want Busted somewhere? Is it like somewhere to
be seen?

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yeah, I don't think you can watch Busted somewhere unless
like my I think my mom owns it. But he
played the usher of the movie theater where the crack
head got with a crack dealer got busted.

Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
Perfect. Perfect, Let's take a break.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
We'll be right back after these fine words. That so
scandal was hot and heavy.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
And I got that. I was like, this was so insane.

Speaker 7 (01:01:40):
I actually posted it today because I think it's like
it's the fourteen year anniversary. I think almost of the
day of me auditioning for that part, but Shanda. What
was crazy about it was that Shanda.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
Gave me the part I did.

Speaker 7 (01:01:53):
If I had had to test it for it, like
I had everything else that came before it. There's no
way in hell I would have gotten it. Like I'd
already been in front of ABC eight thousand times.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
Nobody was interested, like always a bridesmaid, never a bride.

Speaker 7 (01:02:06):
I had gone in front of Shonda a bunch of
times for and I'd been on Gray's Anatomy and Private
Practice and guest Starret and things like that. But this
role I auditioned. Once she told me to say it faster,
I did. There was something on the show called scandal pace,
which was like speaking as fast as humanly possible. I'm
in New York or you're from New Jersey, we speak fast,
sort of inherently, like that's just from cult.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
You know where we're from.

Speaker 7 (01:02:29):
But and then about a week later, they were like, okay,
they're going to test you. And I was like, okay,
here I go again, get a test, Probably won't get it.
And they called me in for a test and I
sat there and it was Shonda and Betsy Beers and
Linda Lowie, the casting director, and casting associates and the
director and they said, we want to bring you in.
You're not going to have to read sides, and we

(01:02:50):
wanted to let you know We're just going to give
you the part what we brought nobody else in. We've
showed your tape from your audition last week to the
studio and network in Shonda told them that this is
the only person she wants I ever.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
I was like, it was like American Idol, You're going
to Hollywood, you know what I mean? When I sob.

Speaker 7 (01:03:12):
And the reason I know this is because they shot
it and it's on the behind the scenes, you know,
DVD stuff. And I posted it today because it's the
fourteen years of my life being changed. I mean I
was a babysitter and an assistant and a caterer and
a bartender and a waitress and all the things. And
I was twenty eight and I moved to LA at
twenty five and everyone was like you old, Like what

(01:03:34):
why did you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Like you should have.

Speaker 7 (01:03:36):
Come here way earlier, honey. And she just gave me
the part and I cried and I said, what happens now?
And she said, you're going to get a call about
a table read And I was.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
Like, there's gonna be a table reader that. She was like,
you're gonna have a fitting and.

Speaker 7 (01:03:50):
I was like, there's a fitting and then I asked
if I can hug everybody, and then I hugged everybody,
and then exactly, and then she was so kind to
me that we shot the pilot and I she said,
what are you going to do after we wrat this?
And I said, I have to go back to my
nannying job. I was nannying for this psycho family that
was very progressive billionaires who didn't believe in diapers, and

(01:04:12):
I had to hold their kid over a toilet bowl
and make encouraging keeping sounds and they would poop.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
I mean, it was unbelievable. But I told her this story.
She loved it, and she felt so bad about waiting
to hear. She called me.

Speaker 7 (01:04:23):
She said, hey, listen, I'm just going to give you
like a guest star in Gray's Anatomy to tide you over,
you know, for.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
She loves you.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
Oh, She's changed my life. And also I had both.

Speaker 7 (01:04:36):
My baby like I had my first baby the last
season of Scandal, I my next baby on Inventing Anna,
which she cast me.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
You know, before we finished.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
I watched.

Speaker 7 (01:04:45):
I was there too, but she called me in before
Scandal ended, and she liked the last season and she.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
You know, we're really really really close friends. And she
just was like, do you want to have a family?
And I was like, we're thinking about it. And she
was like, I just want to let you know this
is like probably going to be where we start ending
scandal and if you want to do this on my watch,
like I will take care I know how to do it,
Like I will take care of you. I think you know.

Speaker 7 (01:05:08):
She just was like I can take care of women
actresses who want to have a family and start a
family life.

Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
And I went home and I told Adam, take off
your pass.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
That's so hard. I get that bread so hard right now,
Like we gotta.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
Go, man, it's go time. And she's been like an
amazing friend ever since. And I I mean, she changed
my life.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
Oh it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
What a great story and what a testament to what
a good person she is. That she's like, I like you,
I'm going to look out for you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
If you want to look out for somebody else. Look,
I know I got a name already.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Oh my god, I'm in her A couple of times.
She's always been very sweet. Have you had a showrunner
change your life? You too had a showrun or change
your life.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Yes, but yes, but I want Sean.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
But I want another one one too, Like I want
another one too. I mean it's hard to it's hard.

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
That is so crazy, Like I feel like the three
of us, we've been so lucky to you know, to
It's funny actually doing other shows with with other showrunners
because I'm always like, oh, you can't just like make
that call, and they're like, no.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
Like they can't.

Speaker 7 (01:06:31):
Just like like if Seanna makes a fucking phone call,
it's happening, you know, it's like done, like if I
need something, and same with Bill of course, but I've
had to, you know, I do other I'm so lucky
to get other jobs, and I'm always they're just like, oh,
we they're showrunners, like we have no information.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
I'm like, oh my god, this is really hard. Like
you're in the same boat I'm in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Like I think we were both deaf, all three of us,
who were in instances where we where we were spoiled
in how lucky we were by the level of talent
of the showrunner. And then you go on other jobs
and it isn't always that way. And for me, it
was my first really big job, so it was shocking.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Yeah, same.

Speaker 7 (01:07:06):
Oh my god, same, it's and then what was my
next big job? Like I've been in the Shondaland world
for like fifteen years. Like so when I go outside,
I'm like, oh my god, is everything okay?

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Like Amna Deel ever watched the show?

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
I heard she watched it and loved it.

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
I never got to meet her while shooting, but Julia
Garner went to jail and visited her in jail while
she was there. She's been out since. And it sounds
absolutely fucking terrifying. I mean, that girl is a absolute sociopath.
Like I shouldn't even saying it, because she could know
where I live because.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
There she knows where the shoppy.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
It's fine, I mean, it's fine. Hopefully she doesn't care.
I mean she's just like you know, I mean, she
just there's no I don't know if you've ever come
across a person like that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
I have not.

Speaker 7 (01:07:57):
But in the amount of studying and watching, you know
that we had access to a lot of videos of
Anna Delvi and a Psorican is her real name.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
While we were making the show.

Speaker 7 (01:08:07):
The research department was amazing, but we had so much
and when you study her like she just has no
it's meeting someone who has no empathy, like no compared.
I don't know if you saw her on Dancing with
the Stars this season, but it's like her answers are bananas.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
What is your answer?

Speaker 7 (01:08:23):
Oh, she's just like I don't care, Like she gives
zero fox about anybody or anything except for herself.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
Like she is as her for clout.

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
Yeah that's what she said, right, she said that, And
she was dancing in her ankle.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Dancing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
She was dancing with her ankle.

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
Thing, dancing with her ankle thing.

Speaker 9 (01:08:51):
I'm guessing as I'm guessing the resident biggest Dancing with
the Stars fan on in our in our group.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:08:59):
I just want to point that, yes, Anna Delvey was
a total joke on the show. At the end, she
was one of the first people voted off and they
asked her, so, what are you going to take away
from the show, and she went nothing, nothing, and then
and then left.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Was she good at dancing? I mean I guess not.
I feel so bad. It must have been hard with
the ankle. Ankle what do you call that thing? It's
ankle bind her. It's like this big, it's like a page.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
She how is she able to get to the dancing
without gave.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
Her She got permission and approval during those windows to
only go to rehearsal and go to the show like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
So hilarious.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
Is that not insane? It's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
If you're listening, I highly recommend watching Inventing Anna. What
what streamer?

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
Was it on Netflix?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Watch it on Netflix. It was really good, was amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
She's the best. And we shot and we lived in
Morocco for five weeks. It was the last trip.

Speaker 7 (01:09:59):
It was all of February of twenty twenty and we
came home and COVID hit COVID happened.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Wait, why do was the whole I know there was
a section where you went to Morocco. Why did you
shoot so long in Morocco?

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
There was one huge First of all, this show was
so big. This was unbelievable, Like I don't know, I
just spent a lot of money. I don't know if
it was the Shonda effect or the Netflix effect.

Speaker 7 (01:10:19):
I have no idea, But we had a whole episode
so like ninety something pages that basically happened in Morocco,
in the actual place where my character is conned out
of like a sixty thousand.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
Dollars a night. Riodd like, yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
Anna Delby is good friends with my character and is like,
let's go to Morocco for the that's a terrible impression.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
I can't do it. I was doing French. I don't
know what's happening. I'm not going to attempt that again.

Speaker 7 (01:10:43):
But she does like, let's go to Morocco for the weekend.
I'll pay for everything. She goes and all of her
cards get declined. She skips out of town and Rachel
basically puts down her Vanity Fair corporate company.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Card in a personal card.

Speaker 7 (01:10:59):
It was like a sixty bill, sixty thousand dollar bill exactly.
And you know, we stayed in the exact riod where
it went down. We were with all the security guards
that were gonna like take them away if she couldn't pay,
they weren't allowed to leave the country.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
I mean, it was like amazing. And it's the hotels
called lam Mammuna.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
And was it a fun Was it a fun place
to shoot?

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
It was, Well, it's so fun because you don't have
to act, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Like you're like you're in Morocco.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
Yeah, like you're there, You're.

Speaker 7 (01:11:32):
Like scared, You're like blown away by everything. You're literally
in like cars while like donkeys and carts are on
the streets next to you, and you know, and you're
drinking the Morocco everything is so visceral and like full
that you're just like I showed up and I was like,
oh great, I mean this is shoot, this shoots itself.
You know, it's just like so it was so great.

(01:11:52):
And Laverne Cox. It was me and Laverne Cox and
Julia Garner in Morocco for like five.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
That sounds like a good show.

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
It was a blast.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
It was Morocco.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
No, she didn't make it to Morocco. No, none of them,
None of them. We were It felt like we were
all like the little kid, you know. We were there
with the director and the writer of the episode.

Speaker 7 (01:12:14):
It was kind of I kind of always love that,
you know, Shanda's always been and I don't know if
Bill's like this, but Shanda doesn't go to set.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
She Bills the opposite.

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
Oh really, Oh wow, that that would actually make me
so nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Oh my god, he comes for everything every Oh my god,
I just.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
Got so nervous because it's really nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
But sometimes it's good because sometimes it's not what you
expected to be when you get there, and Bill always
finds a way to make it so it's perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
And also with comedy it's great because we we we
have a bass with the script, but then rehearsal we
all start riffling with him, and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
That's such a good call.

Speaker 7 (01:12:55):
Yeah, this she never comes to set because on Scandal
at least, and a little bit on Vincentaina, but Scandal
you had to be word perfect. You couldn't make up
an ove or an and or the nothing. She said,
if you what you say is up to me. How
you say it is up to you, which is what
she said. And if you ever did a table read.
Every week we did a live table read, and then

(01:13:15):
she would say, you have twenty four hours to ask
me for changes or discuss or like whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:13:21):
So there was always room to collaborate, for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:13:24):
But anyway, so she didn't come to rehearsal, and I
kind of get it, like I don't. It sounds like
because Bill's are always there, this doesn't happen. But when
Shonda comes to set, set stops right. Like everyone's freaked out.
Everybody's like, oh, my god, like we need to like and.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
Then and then also people are like can I get
a photo?

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
You know? You know?

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
Can can you?

Speaker 7 (01:13:46):
You know you you know you've changed my life, like
and that's so beautiful and lovely too.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
But she just sort of lets us do our work
and she does her work.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Another thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I was there the day Scott Boley found out he
was going to be a regular on Scandal too.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
I remember that we were shooting him. We were shooting
a movie, Yeah, Let's kill Ward's wife.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Yes, And we were filming either we were filming or
we were doing publicity for it. And the call came
in and he was like, yo, I just got added
to the show. And I was yeah, man, I remember
that day too, and he was very very excited. I
was like, well, shit, are you moving.

Speaker 7 (01:14:26):
He was unbelievable, but he had a really hard lift
because bringing it background to Tony Goldwyn. This poor dude,
Scott Folly, who I love so much, is a very
good friend of mine. He is always in a love
triangle like that's.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
Felicity.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
He scrubs shrubs, Oh my god.

Speaker 7 (01:14:44):
So to try to come in and try to get
the girl who the audience is already in love and
wants her.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
With somebody else.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Yeah, handsome enough to do that, though he.

Speaker 7 (01:14:57):
Gets enough of the audience to be like, I think
I'm into Foley, but really I'm into Goldwyn. And this
poor dude has to do scenes where he's like playing
basketball against Goldwyn doing like you know, you take off
your shirt, I take off my shirt, like there's a
lot of that, and he had to do that for.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Seven years, which is not an easy task. I feel
like that is he was.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
He was my nemesis on Scrubs because Elliott Davis, right,
and his name was Sean and and JD would always
go nobody cares Sean.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
I did Felicity, which I did Felicity with Scott another
love triangle and that love triangle, Like, but he was
so fucking like that's the thing about Foley though. He's
so fucking good though, you know what I mean, Like
every time he's just so good, so.

Speaker 7 (01:15:49):
Good, and he's so funny, Like that's what I love
about you guys and him on Scrubs, Like he's so
funny and he's you know, he's so good at being
a romantic lead and he's he's also a.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Matter what he posts on his Instagram. He'll write like,
celebrating this many years with the love of my life.
I'm so lucky and blessed, and then the comments will
be like nobody can shu.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
That's so funny.

Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
And he definitely has Scandal fans being like, you suck.
We prefer Tony Goldwin like one hundred percent. He had
to deal with that for years, which was yeah, because people.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Are fucking nuts. They get so invested.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
Oh my god, it's hard TV. You're in people's living
room every week.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
It's so like they they like think that Scott Foley
the person is trying to steal Kerry Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Well, Bellamy is another. Bellamy is another uh Scrubs alumni.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Also, yeah, she was one of my lovers.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
WHOA, no, no, no, she wasn't No, she wasn't a lover.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
She was a she was the head of surgery.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Surgery, Yeah, whoa.

Speaker 7 (01:16:50):
I could see the nine episodes on Scandal. She was
supposed to be in the pilot for three lines. She's
one of those stories.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
She knows how, she knows how to optimiz I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
She killed it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:02):
She was waiting for her and then same as fully
like second season series regular change your life, like just
just unbelievable story. I never even auditioned for Scrubs.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Well really might have another chance there could come on.

Speaker 7 (01:17:20):
I would love to wear scrub I mean, is it
great wearing scrubs and sneakers?

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
Is it great? Oh my god? That sounds unvalieved.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Are you watching? By the way, I didn't tell you
guys this, Joell. I love this new show.

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
And I shouted it out on my Instagram stories because
I just love it and I want everyone to see it.
And I said, God, I love Noah Wiley. He's so amazing.
And he replied to me, he said, Zach, thank you
so much, he goes. You know, we're getting so much
feedback that this is the most accurate medical show since Scrubs.
And I wanted to tell you that and I said, oh,

(01:18:01):
I love it, he goes. I said, I was actually
out to dinner with Bill Lawrence, who also loves it,
and we were guessing where it's going, and anyway, we
had a little love fest, Joelle. So I really want
you to try and get him on. Now that I've
I've greased the wheels.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
We'll follow up.

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
Well, come on, Noah Wiley let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
But anyway, watched that show. It's so good.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
Oh, I can't. I think I auditioned for that. Clearly
didn't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
You got to wrap it up, Katie.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Do you audition a lot?

Speaker 7 (01:18:28):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:18:28):
I mean, you know, I think at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
You know what you're getting when you get Katie thought.

Speaker 5 (01:18:35):
Yeah, No, I mean, I like, you know, I I
think I audition.

Speaker 7 (01:18:42):
Hm, I audition a lot, but thank god, I think
if scandal got me anything. It's like in the way
later rounds so bless, like great great, great, great great,
Like I used to have to audition like thirty seven
hundred times to get for something.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
And now it's casting director's niece.

Speaker 7 (01:18:58):
Yes, exactly, and now it's like, okay, we're down to
the group you know in the why you know, we're
down to the last things, and so that feels like
an upgrade. But I I don't know that this has
been like a very odd sort of time where it's dead.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
But that's okay. And I mean, you guys, don't you
just get off for I write?

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
You know, I still auditions. I have an auditioned for
anything in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
But like you said, it is kind of if I
love it and it's competitive, and they're like, you got
to read to be in the mix, and I'm like,
this is great. I read.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
I would audition for Star Wars. I would audition for Marvel.

Speaker 5 (01:19:41):
You would kill that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Oh, don't get him going, Katie, you would fucking kill that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
I see it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
I see it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
I see Oh my god, I see it. On that note, Katie,
You're an amazing guest. You're an amazing human.

Speaker 5 (01:19:59):
My pleasure think you guys so much having me on.
You are amazing humans.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Please send me a gluten free Shoppies pretzel once they're done.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
And we have a three three way date to go
see Smash when it hits Broadway.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Yes, we are going to.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Joel, Joel, You're welcome to come with us.

Speaker 5 (01:20:18):
You can, yes, Joel, Please, I will be there.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
I will be seated for Smash.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
I'm very Smash on Broadway.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
All right, what was your favorite song?

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
Donald?

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
What is history was made? Nice?

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
So turn it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
And stay tuned because next week this becomes a Smash.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Now that's what I'm talking about, exactly right, That's what
I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
She's so entertaining.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Oh man, we could have talked about Broadway for the whole.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
I didn't know that you knew her, Donald, So we
don't know know each.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Other, but we've sat next to each other at a
Josh Raiding concert when he was at the Troubadour, and
also our nanny.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
My nanny left us to go to Katie.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Well. Well, yeah, she's one of those people in town
where we just know so many people in common. And
I see her occasionally, but god, she's so entertaining. I
could chat with her forever.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Yeah, it's that try state connection.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
I'm telling you, try state love. Well, that was a
lot of fun. Everyone. I have to take my puppy
to the vent, so we're gonna have to wrap it up.
But Donald, I love you so much it hurts.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Sometimes, you know, the feeling is mutual.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
I'm excited I get to be silly with you on.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Friday, Friday, maybe Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Project for a secret project.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
It's Star Wars. Just tell him it's Star Wars.

Speaker 9 (01:22:04):
It is Zach and Donald are gay newlyweds in House
Arrest Productions starts Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Seven Stories. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
We made about a bunch of talks and nurses and janoo.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Me, I said here's the stories, Nephews, No

Speaker 6 (01:22:26):
So gada round you here, YadA round here, swe Show
wins and no