How Valuable is Brock Bowers? | Early 2025 First Round Dynasty Rankings (Ep. 196) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back, everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast. I'm your host,
Scott Bogwin. Follow me on Twitter at Boglin Sports. I'm
joined as always by Pat fitz Morris at fits Underscore.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
FF.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
No wormly on this show. It's mainly because of all
the complaints. I mean, that's really what it is. It's
definitely not because he's a Ravens fan or because of
the timing. But no, no, we love Worm, he's just
not on the show today with us. And on the
show today Fitz and I are going to be discussing
our first round, how we have the Dynasty ranks for

(00:36):
one QB league's and also for Super Flex. We are
in the throes of it. Super Bowl is coming up.
We just had the fun Pro Bowl games. The Draft
is kicking off right now. Debro was in Mobile talking
to a bunch of the prospects as well. So just
a fun week of football. I was out of it
last week, Fitzie, I was down for the count. But

(00:57):
I'm up off the mat here ready to talk some football.
So and you're gonna go. You just went to Vegas,
You're going back to Vegas. Vegas can't get rid of FITZI.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah, you were ill. I was down a gambling rabbit hole.
So I feel like we're both not quite at one
hundred percent, but we're going to power through it for
the viewers and listeners. But yeah, Bugs, it's the Super
Bowl and right after the Super Bowl people are going
to be jonesing for fantasy football. There is going to
be a big void to fill, so that will be
startup draft season and hopefully the show will help our

(01:28):
viewers and listeners get ready for their startup dynasty drift.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Now, let me ask you this, in your opinion, is
it better to wait until after the NFL Draft if
you're starting up in ninasty league to do that or
are you like kind of I think it's a more
traditional way is to do your startup draft and then
now you have the rookies in a real rookie draft.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
To do it that way. Is that what you like
to do.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I like to do it that way, keep them separated
and not have the rookies in the startup draft. And
my favorite way to do it, Bogs, is to draft
rookie picks like you can choose to draft. You know,
you go through and uh, maybe at I don't know,
say two two oh three of your startup draft, someone decides, okay,

(02:15):
I want to draft Ashton genty here, so I'm going
to pick rookie draft pick one oh one. And then
at some point, you know, someone's going to come along
and figure it's maybe.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Testing draft spots.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Correct, Okay, yes, we did that for the King's Classic
Dynasty Draft that I am in, and I think that
was like co organized by Ryan McDowell and uh Dynasty Rich.
I forget what Rich's last name is, but like two
of the sharpest dynasty minds in the business, and they
decided to set it up that way.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
And that's a very interesting way to do it.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
I like it is it is, and you know it's
it's funny because then it's also sort of a non
parallel rookie draft where it's not necessarily the same people
picking in the same spot every time, and maybe in
some cases the same person might have three or four
picks in a round, or you know, some people kind
of punt on the rookies and might only have like
one rookie draft pick. So it is a really interesting

(03:12):
way to do it, and it helps you determine your
build if you want to be a productive struggle person,
you're going to be taking a lot of rookie picks
if you are in win now mode. The heck with
the rookie picks, you are taking veterans and start punting
on the rookie draft.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I mean, I have many rookie picks. You're letting other
people draft those, and you're taking the names that you know. Yep,
So very very interesting way to do it. Since we're
here and we're talking about startups and everything, I want
you just off the top of your head. I did
not prepare you for this question at all, So I apologize,
but give me some rules that are important to know

(03:52):
going in. You know, it doesn't have to necessarily be
a constitution because a lot of teams do that. They
do you know your rules, your law however you want
to say it for your league. But what are some
things that you think kind of fly under the radar
but should be pointed out before you jump into the draft.
Is whether it's trading draft picks, how far out anything

(04:15):
that comes to mind that maybe people forget And now
you're in the draft and you're like, well what about this?

Speaker 1 (04:20):
And it should have been addressed beforehand.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
I think the two most important rules probably for any
dynasty league are how people want to handle trading and
whether they want a deadline or not, and how many
injured reserve spots. And with the trading deadline, I know
there are staunch advocates on both sides of whether you

(04:45):
should have one or not, and the people who advocate
for having no trading deadline. It does sometimes create this
brinksmanship at the end of the season where the halves
are eagerly trying to you know, it's an arms race
for them, and that is a good chance for the
have nots, the bottom featers of the league to pick

(05:08):
up draft picks, pick up young players. You know, although
a lot of times since people are just trading for
these veterans for I don't know, maybe they're trading for
older veterans, the Derrick Henry types, and not willing to
give you full price since really it's only just the
remainder of this season plus their career windows which might

(05:29):
be short. But then some people don't like that at all,
and they want lineups to be kind of set from
you know, early December, mid December on and you know,
do you have a proference I like to have a
trading deadline, but I know a lot of the purest
a lot of the people who have just been in
a show the same same. I want it to be

(05:52):
pretty liberal up until like week thirteen, fourteen, but then
once you get into the playoffs, I don't always love
to see people being able to make trades for you know,
a semi final game.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I feel like some you know, I get it, there
are injuries that happen every single week, so that could
really put you behind the eight ball. But I mean,
I would rather have deeper rosters at that point. So
if you're drafting a good roster, or if you have,
you know, enough spots on the bench, get them before
the playoffs in case something happens. So I'm with you,
but I understand it going both ways. What about trade

(06:29):
voting and vetoing and stuff like that. That's a big
one for me because I just I don't want to
live in a trade voting world.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Ever.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I want to have a commissioner I trust, I know
is going to make the best decision for the league,
and the only thing that trades really should be rejected for,
in my opinion, or collusion that is it. If it's
a terrible trade, somebody's willing to do it. You know, Look,
the Lakers just got Luka Duncis for, you know, ad

(06:57):
in a first round pick, which is the same package
that they traded Chris Porzingis away for. So you know,
sometimes teams just make bad decisions.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I agree there should be a best interests clause. Find
a commissioner you trust. Give the commissioner unilateral power to
reject blatantly unfair trades. And I mean it has to
be obvious collusion. So you know, hopefully you're in league
where everyone is friendly with each other and there's no
concern about that sort of thing. But ideally you have

(07:29):
a commissioner you trust who is not closer to some
owners than others and is willing to, you know, weigh
the scales of justice evenly.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Right, and even if they are, yeah, closer to other people,
know that you know, this person is someone I can trust,
so you know, and they're going to make the best
decision for the interest of the league, not the interest
of themselves. So yes, it's and that's you know, being
a commissioner is unforgiving. It's not fun and a lot
of the time you have to make some tough decisions

(08:02):
and it's not an inviewable position for a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
So but yeah, all right, well let's dive in here.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
We're gonna start with the one QB League, so we're
not gonna talk about any qbs here because you're not
taking any in your top twelve to fifteen. We're gonna
go one through fifteen, so we're gonna give you our
top twelve, our first round pick in most leagues, and
then a couple guys that are just outside that. Before
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t J. Hawkinson helmet. All right, FITZI, so let's go
through it. I'm gonna hand the reins over to you.
Give us your one through fifteen. I'll go through my
one through fifteen and then we will discuss.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
All right. So I think we're pretty similar at the
top bogs in a one QB Dynasty startup, I rank
the top fifteen as Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson. Cede Lamb
is number three, then b John Robinson, Jamiir Gibbs, Brian Thomas, Junior,
Malik Neighbors. I have those two neck and neck pretty much.
Pokin Nakua is number eight, Rock Powers, I'm and Ross

(09:54):
Saint Brown, Nico Collins at number eleven, Ashton Genty at
number twelve, the rookie Saquon Barkley thirteen, Devon h Chan fourteen,
and Bucky Irving fifteen.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
For me, I have the exact same one through six
as you, Chase Jefferson Lamb one, two, three, Beean and
Gibbs four five, I go neighbors at six, then I
go Amana seven, Pookah eight, and Brian Thomas nine. Then
I'm going with Nico Collins at ten, my eleven through fifteen,
no more wide receivers, sa Quon eighth, chan Brock Bauers.

(10:29):
I have JT at fourteen, and then I also have
Ashton Shane Ty at fifteen. So a little different at
seven is our first initial difference. So sell me on
Brian Thomas, because for me, I kind of have a
glob of neighbors Saint Brown, Pooka, Brian Thomas, Nico. I
think they're interchangeable in there. Maybe I would have neighbors

(10:51):
slightly ahead of the rest of that group. But for me,
I think those wide receivers are it's kind of pick
your poison, choose your faate out of that group.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Are you with that or is it firmly Brian Thomas.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
For you, No, it's not firm Boggs, Brian Thomas Junior, Melik.
Neighbors is kind of a Sophie's choice decision. For me,
it is, you know, like choosing between your children, and
I thought, I like Neighbors a lot more coming into
twenty twenty four, but Brian Thomas Junior just made a
believer out of me. The guy was phenomenal, So that's

(11:25):
basically a tie. I have BJT ranked higher simply because
I feel better about his quarterback situation. I think Trevor, Yeah,
Trevor Lawrence is or at least can be a league
average quarterback. Maybe he can become better than a league
average quarterback. The Giants, meanwhile, are basically nowhere at the
quarterback position, and to Elie Neighbors credit, it didn't slow

(11:48):
him down that much. And you just imagine that the
sky's the limit if the Giants ever had a plus
situation at quarterback. And then for me, a'm and raz
kind of behind those guys. He did have career high
twelve touchdowns in twenty twenty four, but here his per
game target averages over the last three seasons bogs nine
point one, ten point three and this past year eight

(12:12):
point three, a three year low. So aman Ros still
did have one hundred and fifteen catches this year thanks
to an insane eighty one point six percent catch rate,
but his catch rate the previous two years was seventy
two point six percent still very good and maybe suggests
that eighty one point six percent not sustainable. I just
worry that Jamison Williams emergence is going to keep Amanro's

(12:35):
target rates slightly lower than it was in twenty twenty
two and twenty twenty three. And I don't know if
the departure of Ben Johnson is going to hurt Aminus productivity,
but it's hard to imagine that it would help.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
I'm not so worried about, you know, the diminishing targets
because I think, you know, the guy's going to get
in the end zone. He's going to get one hundred
catches every single year. Like the floor is insanely high
for a mono Saint Brown, right, Like you know Brian
Thomas Junior Milik neighbors both very good talents. Definitely in
a monerous range in terms of talent, But I do

(13:12):
think the floor is higher for a miner. He's a
safer pick, I would say, just because we've seen him
do it for multiple seasons.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
So maybe a little bit safer.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yes, Ben Johnson is going to hurt Are they ever
gonna make a change at quarterback?

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Right?

Speaker 2 (13:26):
That's kind of you know, I think not making the
super Bowl two years in a row when you're on
the doorstep last year, we're really expected to get the
FC title game and then you lose in you know,
an upset this season, I think you're gonna start to
hear the Jared Goff rumors. But Jared Goff is outstanding.
He is a lot better than we give him credit for.
Anyone really gives him credit for. He's got had his

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team and he went to the super Bowl before with
the Rams as well. So definitely an underrated quarterback. They
shouldn't make a change. But you kind of hear this
stuff right when these things start to happen, So little
bit of a question there. You know what makes me mad?
Fits It makes me mad that you are ahead of

(14:08):
me on brock Bowers. I feel like you and I
have fought for this. Brock Bowers, you know, stan ultimate fan,
however you want to say it, and you just win.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
You just beat me. I think you beat me.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
The only thing I think I beat you in this
year was I had him as my number one tight
end in redraft this year going in.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
That's the only one I won.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
But in terms of Dynasty, and in terms of where
to draft him, it has always been you have you
had him number one in Dynasty. I was like, let's
see it first, but you were right there and once
again you trump me on the brock Bowers love. So
sell us brock Bowers is a first round pick in Dynasty.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
We all know how difficult it is to address the
tight end position in a satisfying way, and I feel
like brock Powers definitively addresses the tight end question for
people for the next decade. What he was able to
do with the quarterback combination of Aidan O'Connell and Gardner
Minshew as a rookie was just incredible. You know, I

(15:12):
feel like this might be one of the worst offensive
ecosystems he ever plays in. We know the Raiders are
going to do something to upgrade the quarterback position, and
it might take a while for them to get it right.
They're not necessarily going to get it right this year,
but there will be an earnest attempt at an upgrade.
And oh, by the way, incomes Chip Kelly as the
offensive coordinator. And I don't know about how Chip Kelly

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is going to if he's going to make this offense
drastically more efficient. But we do know Chip Kelly plays
at a breakneck pace and the Raiders are going to
run more plays this year on offense than they ran
in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
And that's just how hard to brock Bowers. It's going
to be interesting.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
It is just mouthwatering to think of what the play
volume might be able to do for brock Powers numbers
in twenty twenty five and beyond.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
I completely agree. I think we only have a difference
of one player, right, And I can't believe this is
where I get to brag against you. I have JT
in my top fifteen and you don't. You have Bucky
Irving in over him. I'm sure JT is sixteen, right,
because Bucky is not that much further down from me either.

(16:25):
We will get I believe our next episode we're going
to be doing top forties, so you'll hear both their
names and that for sure. But I get to be
the Jonathan Taylor guy. Is it the injuries? Is that
why you're keeping him off plus Anthony Richardson? Or is
it you're just super excited about Bucky and what he
did this season.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's more being excited about Bucky Boggs. I just and
I actually, you know, I prefer Bucky Irving over genty
right now or wait wait, wait, wait, no, I do
have gent higher never mind scratch that. Bucky's performance in
twenty twenty four was just very convincing. He looked like
a special player. To me. I don't think his performance

(17:04):
was a fluke. I think this is the real deal.
I love Jonathan Taylor, but I feel like I'd be
sticking my head in the sand if I didn't acknowledge
that Jonathan Taylor's ankle problems have become this recurring thing,
maybe a chronic thing. As much as I love him,
it's not about Anthony Richardson. I just have to acknowledge

(17:25):
he's starting to get a little older. He's starting to
maybe crest on the bell curve of running back performance
based on age. So as far as taking him early
in the second round of a startup draft, even in
one QB, I don't think I can do it. Drake
London was probably my toughest mission, not Jonathan.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Taylor, Okay, and that is very understandable. I think the
reason why I and this is you know, more of
a galaxy brain thought, you know, like our boy Andre
Erickson likes to say, the Galaxy brain is I think
I'm more willing to take a risk with the guy
like Jonathan Taylor, even with the injury prone problems. With
this running back class coming in, it's going to be

(18:07):
much easier to back him up than it really ever has. Right,
I'm more a little more willing to take the risk
on that enormous upside because Jonathan Taylor, it will be
not shocking to see him be the number one scoring
running back in the NFL next year.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I don't think it would be like, WHOA, that's out
of nowhere. We've seen him do it before. He's an
amazing talent and obviously when he's healthy, he's putting up
enormous numbers. He's getting a ton of carries, which is
part of the reason why he is a little bit
more injury prone than other guys. And I do think
it's it's going to be better after this draft class
to back him up this season, so you know, just

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a little he's going to be in that group like
you said with Drake London, with Ashton Genty, who we'll
talk about next year, but you know, Amaran Hanton's coming
in Skataboo, Caleb Johnson. We've talked about all these running
backs and it's loaded all the way through traveon Henderson,
Quinchah on Judkins. There's gonna be so many options to
back him up. I think I'm more willing to take

(19:08):
the risk. If the bottom kind of fell out and
there wasn't that type of protection, I think I probably
would have Drake London in here ahead, I would have,
you know, somebody else in this group. But I still
really believe in JT. And his points per game is
still extremely high. I believe over sixteen points per game
and half PPR last season, so still very very good

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numbers from him. Did miss three games, you know, so
he is a tough sell to some people. So let's
go to Ashton Jentt and then let's talk about the
top here, just so we don't ignore the top end
players here. But Ashton Gent, I have him at fifteen.
I believe you have him at twelve. Is that correct?
So we're both very high on this running back. Coming
in landing spot is going to make a big difference,

(19:50):
of course, but can you get him higher than that
on a good landing spot fits or is this kind
of maxing out where his value would be if he
lands and say Dallas.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I'm sort of projecting this as the Dallas as the
landing spot, and that's a solid landing spot. But what's
what's the dream, Bogs. I think it's the Chargers. That
is where I would love to see Ashton gent Just
imagine him with Jim Harbaugh, Greg Roman.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Pittsburgh and put him with Arthur Smith. I mean, they'd
have to trade up.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
So although Arthur Smith would probably still give you know,
Jalen Warren if they resigned him or whatever, back up.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
He Cordy Old Patterson will still give five carries a game.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, would It would be annoying, but Pittsburgh wouldn't be bad.
I've heard the Bears mentioned as a possibility.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Ben Johnson's already done the DeAndre Swift thing. I think
that experiment's probably close to dead.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yes, yes, so yeah, I mean it's hard to think
of a bad landing spot for Ashton Genty. He's just
so good. The contact balance is otherworldly, Bogs, and I
do not like him as quite as much as Prospect is.
I like Bijon coming out, but boy, not a big
gap between those two as prospects. I do think he

(21:07):
is pretty close to being on the Saquon Barkley Bijon
Robinson levels as a running back prospect.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
And speaking of Bejon, let's get to the top here
since we skipped it to kind of discuss our differences.
It's Chase, it's Jefferson and Slam and I do think
it's the wide receivers over the running backs just for
the on longevity.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Of their careers.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Correct, So is this the way it has to be ordered?
Or are you okay if there's a mix of Lamb
at the top and then Chase and then Jefferson or
something like that, or is it Chase has to be there?
I don't care what you do with the other two.
How do you see the top three here?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
So I think Jason Jefferson are Slam donk set one
to two?

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I think you can make a case from maybe Bejeon
Robinson ahead of C. D. Lamb, But you and I
and the fantasy pros consensus all have Lamb ahead of Robinson,
and I do think there is sort of a sound
reasoning to put the wide receiver there. Generally longer windows
of production than you get from the running backs. Who

(22:11):
have you know, relatively short NFL lifespans, you know, and
like I don't. I feel like one through five is
pretty open and shut.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
I feel like that is the case as well.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, although I know with the Fantasy Pros consensus Bogs,
we both have it. Chase Jefferson, lamb Bijon, Jumior Gibbs.
Fantasy Pros consensus differs with us on number five for
the expert consensus, Chase Jefferson, Lambijon and then Malik Neighbors
over Gibbs.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
How do you feel, Yeah, it's it's not my favorite,
but it's hard to deny, right, Like Malik Neighbors just
got eight million targets, no Saquon, So Tyrone Tracy had
a great year, but he is not Saquon. He's not
going to get that type of war. And who's number
two right now? It's Wandale, right, so they need another target,

(23:06):
But you're not. Targets are not going to be the
priority for the Giants in the draft. It should be
fixing that old line and getting a quarterback that can
throw the ball downfield and can get the ball to
Malik Neighbors. So I think you have your one two
studs for the next couple of years in Tyrone, Tracy
and Milik neighbors, So that volume is gonna stay the
same for a while for Neighbors, and if he just

(23:28):
gets better, if he improves on his rookie year, it's
gonna stay for a long time. So I don't hate
neighbors getting the love from the consensus, just personally something
not something that.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
I would do.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
I'd see the top three as more interchangeable than you do,
I would say, because I just love the talent of Ceedee.
Lamb still had a good year even though he was
hurt for a big chunk of the air and playing
gimpy and Dak missed the backstretch, so I think he
still could be number one. But you cannot deny what
Joe Burrow being healthy and Jamar Chase being there. They

(24:00):
just get better every single year, so there's no way
I can come off of Chase at one. But if
somebody else were to do it and take Lamb, I
wouldn't be like, what are you thinking? You know, I
wouldn't pull my hair out or anything. I'd be like, Okay,
I get it. It's just hard for me to do
right now with Chase, So to me, it's more staunch
Chase at one and then Jefferson and Lamb. If you

(24:20):
want to flip those guys, you can. I think the
offense is more it's slanted more towards the pant the
pass in Minnesota, So that's why I have Jefferson at
too and then Lamb at three. Plus Dak is getting old,
He's had a lot of injuries. How much longer is
this going to last? I mean, Dallas is becoming a
butt of a joke. I mean I saw one today.

(24:43):
Jeremiah Trotter went to the Super Bowl, had a kid
named him Junior, and now he's going to the Super
Bowl with the Eagles. Before the Cowboys went back to
the NFC title game. So I mean they are becoming
a bit of a butt of a joke, and a
blow up might be coming in the future here for
the Cowboy, especially if anything were to happen with Jerry Jones,
if he were to step down because of his age

(25:04):
or however.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Would go.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
But I mean, as long as he's alive, I think
he's in control of the Cowboys, so I don't think
anything is happening there. So I do have Lamb at three,
then Bijon and Gibbs. I don't know any question about Gibbs,
you know, because Montgomery is still going to be there,
They're getting a new offensive coordinator, so maybe there's a
little bit of a down tick.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Not for me.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I just think the talent is way too good. I
think Bijeon here, they should rely on Bejon even a
little bit more, going to Michael Pennix all year next year,
and I think Gibbs has earned more playing time than
David Montgomery from what we saw at the end of
the year.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Here, I think there's a case to be made that
Gibbs is the best running back in the NFL. Yeah,
I really do. I think he's that talented, you know.
And obviously it's a great debate between Saquon, Bijon, Gibbs
and Saquon. Situation is hard to argue with. But at
the same time, Saquon's older's handled over four hundred touches

(26:01):
this year. There might be might be longevity issues with him,
but man, he is in the perfect system right now,
with that great offensive line and his talent. It's just
almost unfair. So I totally get why he's here. Bob,
should we talk about two of the guys the expert
consensus having the top fifteen and we do.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Not, Yes, yes, who are the two?

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Bres Hall is number twelve in the expert consensus, which
shocked me, and number fifteen Drake London. We touched on him.
He'd probably be my number sixteen. Was Drake London a
near miss for you as well?

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah? Very high for sure.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah. And with Michael Pennix coming along and as good
as Pennix looked as a passer late in the year
and it seemed like he was finally starting to fully
unlock Drake London. I totally understand why people are bullish
on him. So I have no beef with the expert
consensus there. I do have some beef with Breese Hall
at number twelve.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Do you, Okay, don't.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I don't think I have as much, But obviously he's
not my top fifteen, so I would not put him there.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
I think I've got him inside my top twenty at
one QB. But man, there were not many. I think
there was maybe one game this year where he had
more than sixteen carries. The usage was a little troubling.
The trajectory of the Jets offense. I don't know what
it's going to look like next year. They've got Braylan
Allen two, and all of a sudden, we.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Had uh Isaiah Davis, Isaiah.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Davis, and we had Did you see Lance Zerline of
nfl dot Com did a mock draft today, He had
the Jets taking Ashton Gent Really, yes, why.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I don't that that would be the most Jets thing
to do, but it would be a Jets thing to do.
I would be furious because I still really like Brisol
and I the one thing that I'll say, because again
I don't have him in my top fifteen. He wouldn't
be there for me right now. The offensive line has shoes,

(28:00):
especially with Forshanuh I. I don't know what's happening there,
what's happening at the quarterback position right so there are
just too many questions for me to have breeshall this high,
specifically with the fact that they have Alan, they have Davis,
who were both very good backups to Brice Hall when
he had these injury problems. The one thing that I'll

(28:22):
say is, I don't mind people taking twenty twenty four
from the Jets, crumpling it up into a ball and
throwing it right into the fire right. It was a
complete disaster of a season. And we've seen Breese Hall
be the number one running back in the NFL before,
so I understand why he would come in to a
first round pick among a lot of experts. I just

(28:45):
can't do it without these questions answered. So I may
be higher on Brisall, he may go into my top
fifteen before we get to week one here, but right
now there are too many questions. What is happening with Aarons?
Is DeVante staying? Are you fixing this on line? Too
many questions, So I just can't be there with Breshall.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Let me ask you this, bugs, you do not have
Bucky Irving in your top fifteen? Would you rather Bucky
Irving or Breshall?

Speaker 2 (29:14):
I would rather have Breshall than Bucky all Right. I
just think he's built for it a little more, That's all.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Could be, yeah, I and he certainly does like have
more ideal prototypical NFL size. But you know I am
I am concerned that, yes, we do win a cruple
the twenty twenty four season and throw it in the
trash bogs for the Jets, but quarterback still unsettled, offensive
line still unsettled, So we'll see if bris Hall, you know,

(29:42):
gets gets back to the level of production he was
at in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, and you know, look, it's got to be better,
right Aaron Glenn has has to have it better this
season for the New York Jets, so it just can't
be that bad again, I don't think so we will see.
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know the position players will be mixed in FITZI, but

(31:12):
let's hear your top fifteen in a superflex and let's
see how deep these qbs go.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
And let me why don't you go first Bogs Beauty
before age on this one, because you know, I think
I've got some change ups to throw here after after
your slightly more conventional top fifteen.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
All right, so I'm starting five deep at quarterback. We're
going Lamar number one. I'm going Josh Allen two. I'm
going Jade Knit three, then Joe Burrow at for Jalen
Hurts at five, and then I have that trio of
the wide receivers of Chase Jefferson Lamb. Then we're going
with Mahomes at number nine, Bijon Gibbs, Malik Amanra, and
then at fourteen to fifteen, Bo Nix and Drake May

(31:52):
for me. So again that would be what was that seven?
That would be six, seven, eight quarterbacks in my fifteen
and the first five all being qbs.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
All right, so my first seven players are quarterbacks, and
I have ten quarterbacks in the top fifteen. I've got
Jayden Daniels at the top Bogs. We can talk about
that in a minute, but I have him ahead of
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson my two and three, Joe
Burrows four, Jalen Hurts five, Drake May is number six
for me, Patrick Mahomes seven, then Jamar Chase and Justin

(32:26):
Jefferson checking at eight and nine.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
C J.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Stroud number ten, Justin Herbert number eleven, Ceedee Lamb twelve,
Bo Nicks thirteen, then Bijon Robinson and Jamier Games.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
So I want to do this just since we do
have a difference in the amount of quarterbacks in the
first round, I want to give you the consensus for
Fantasy pros. It starts similar with mine. It's Lamar Allen, Burrow, Daniels,
Hurts top five, and then Chase, then Mahomes at seven,
then Jefferson, Lamb, Bijon Neighbors, then Stroud at twelve, who

(33:01):
wasn't in either of ours, then Gibbs at thirteen, Herbert
at fourteen, and Amana at fifteen for the overall ECR.
So that would make what would that be five to six,
seven eight Qbs in the top fifteen for the consensus.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
So you're a little You do have Stroud and Herbert
in there. I just didn't. So let's hear. Let's first,
let's get the argument.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
We're not gonna talk about the position players here because
we already did that, but let's hear about the argument
of Daniels up at one. I don't hate it, It's
just not what I would do, but I appreciate it.
So let's hear your used car salesman pitch for Jade
and Daniels at number one overall here, FITZI yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I mean, do we think this Jade Daniels rookie season
was a mirage in any way? Bogs?

Speaker 1 (33:45):
I don't, but I didn't think CJ. Stroud was either true.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Good point. Good point, And we'll get to him soon,
but over the last three seasons, Lamar Jackson has average
between twenty and about twenty five fantasy points per game,
depending on which of those three seasons you look at.
Josh Allen has averaged between twenty two and twenty four
fantasy points per game in those three seasons if you

(34:09):
exclude Jade and Daniels' output. In Week eighteen of this year,
when he was benched early in Washington's regular season finale
against Dallas, Jade Daniels averaged twenty two point five points
per game, pretty much right in line with the three
year fantasy points per game scoring averages of Lamar Jackson
and Josh Allen. Did it as a rookie. Lamar Jackson

(34:31):
and Josh Allen are both twenty eight. Jade Daniels just
turned twenty four, and I mean Daniels posted terrific numbers
as a runner eight hundred and ninety one yard six
touchdown runs. He also posted really good passing numbers for
rookie quarterback box thirty five hundred yards, twenty five touchdowns,
sixty nine percent completion rate for a rookie, and seven

(34:53):
point four yards per attempt, also very good for a rookie.
I just he did this with at best in average
group of pass catchers and an average offensive line, and
that might be generous on both counts to call them average.
I think things only get better from here.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, I mean that's why I raised him.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
I did not have him this high a couple months ago,
right when we redid this stuff, and now I had.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
To move him up to three. The finish was incredible.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
As you mentioned, there's meat on the bone for growth,
not only in terms of him, you know, this was
his rookie season, but in terms of them adding talent
to this roster.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
They have a lot of money to spend.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
The only guys on the roster that aren't free agents
are McLaurin and McCaffrey. So there's draft picks, there's free agency.
There's a lot of ways to improve these pass catchers.
And we're gonna have Bensonatt, who was, you know, behind
zach Ertz, but an extremely talented tight end who made
some big plays for them.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
So I just think that there is a lot to grow.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
The only reason that I have him at three and
not at one, and I understand the years years are huge, right.
The only downside is kind of what we saw from
Stroud right. He just he had some injuries. Bobby Slowek
wasn't as tricky as he was the year before, which
is why he ended up ultimately losing his job, and
Tank Dell got hurt. Stefan Diggs got hurt. We're expecting

(36:22):
a step up from CJ.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Stroud.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
We got the regression right, So there is a precedent
for a guy to go into a sophomore slump. The
whole reason that sophomore slump, the saying exists, is because
we've seen it so many times. The NFL will readjust
to you and find out what you're doing and try
to take away the good thing. And how are you
going to readjust? I don't think there's too many adjustments
you can make for a guy like Jayden Daniels. So

(36:45):
he passes the ball well, so if you keep him
in the pocket, he'll sling it and if you don't
respect his legs, he will run. So we've seen this
from josh Al Lamar Jackson. I think he has to
be in that group. He has to be in the
top three. I understand Burrow consents this is higher than him,
and I get that. I just think with the fact
that Burrow doesn't run as much and his injury history,

(37:07):
I can't have him ahead of Jane Daniels right now.
He had an enormous year as well. I really love Burrow.
I was higher on everybody else on Burrow coming in
to twenty twenty four, so I'm not backing off that
at all, but I just can't have Daniels behind him,
That's all. But for me, Lamar and Allen are just
MVPs battling every single year, and adding Derrick Henry really

(37:30):
showed us. I mean, say, Flowers missed some games, Rashan
Bateman stepped up, Mark Andrews was terrible, and Lamar still
is the MVP here. So Lamar is just absolutely unstoppable.
He's one of my favorite players to watch in the NFL.
I hate the fact that he's on the Ravens and
the Steelers to Trell Edmonds when they could have had
Lamar Jackson. It still lives in my nightmares every single day, fitsy.

(37:54):
I hate it, but him and Josh Allen are just
a cut above everybody else, so we've seen them repeat it.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
It just repeatability.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I would not be surprised if this show next season
going into the twenty twenty six year that I have
Jane Daniels at number one, I just can't do it
right now with the consistency of those top two guys.
Are you with me in the fact that Burrow just
firmly has to be behind that top three group.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
I think so too, And you know, I do wonder
if maybe Burrow was just maybe some people haven't sort
of readjusted their rankings since the last week or two
of the season, the Fantasy playoffs. I think when maybe
some folks do an updates, as a lot of people
tend to do once the offseason hits, we'll see Daniels

(38:39):
kind of slide ahead of Burrow because as great as
season as Burrow had as a passer, doesn't offer much
as much as a runner, and he's most likely about
to lose t Higgins.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, yeah, there's Burrow had an incredible year, should have
been a playoff for the year, should have been MVP
caliber year. But Lamar and Josh we're just so good
not going to be in there. Let's talk about more quarterbacks.
But before we do, I mean just remind you guys
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(39:11):
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(39:32):
com slash chat. All right, FITZI, here's the hard cell.
I don't think Jay Nails is too much of a
hard sell. I think that's a pretty neutral cell. Tell
us about Drake mayover Patrick Mahomes, I think that's the
big one for you.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Well, Patrick Mahomes has not been an elite fantasy score
now for a couple of seasons, and it's strange to
sort of have to reckon with this new gap between
real life value and fantasy value for Patrick Mahomes. But
I don't know, does he get back to where he
was as a fantasy scorer or is this kind of
where he remains for the next couple of years. Maybe

(40:09):
if the Chiefs find themselves some sort of dynamic wide
receiver to add to the mixer the return of Rashi Rice.
But then again, Travis Kelcey is probably looking at retirement
pretty soon. So yeah. I mean, Drake May made twelve starts,
and it was really more like eleven starts because I
think he only played three snaps in Week eighteen, And

(40:29):
in those eleven full starts he averaged sixteen point eight
Fantasy points per game. He did it with possibly the
worst group of wide receivers in the league. He did
it with an offensive line that wasn't very good. Now
the Patriots are entering free agency with a treasure chest
full of money to spend, and they are picking early
in the draft. Things are only going to get better
for Drake May. And while he isn't as good a

(40:52):
runner as Jade Daniels, May still get to add a
lot of value with his legs. He is an eager
and able runner. In those eleven full starts he made,
May average thirty seven point two rushing yards per game. Man,
I just I think the sky's the limit for this
sky bogs Like well, I don't know if he ever
gets to the level that Alan and Lamar Jackson has achieved,

(41:16):
and I don't think it's impossible. Yeah, but I do
think he can get to sort of a Joe Burrow
level of fantasy value. Like, I don't think that's too
far fetched at all.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah, And I'm I completely understand the Drake may Love
and I have may above some other quarterbacks that I
think would raise eyebrows to people I do have Mahomes.
I just I think that, yes, losing Kelsey would be enormous.
They just don't have a ton of wide receiver talent
on this team. I mean, you know, Worthy was huge

(41:50):
down the stretch. I think he's going to be a
big weapon moving forward for them. Well maybe we'll talk
about him in the top forty in terms of what
he could possibly doing his NFL career. But they don't
have the run game. They can't really go out and
spend either. So I just think it's going to be
on the back of Patrick Mahomes for a long time here.

(42:13):
So I do think he will step up his fantasy
game pretty soon here. They're not gonna be able to
pay all these defensive players either, right, so the defense
is going to get worse. They're going to have to
rely on Mahomes a little bit more. And we have
seen him do it, So still have Mahomes out of
those guys, just because we know at any point they

(42:33):
decide to dial up the passing game and Mahomes is
gonna have insane value.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
We saw a little bit of that in Tom Brady's career, honestly,
where they would lean on the run game for a while,
but then they went out and got a bunch of
free agents and then turned up the heat on him
passing the ball and he became one of the better
fantasy producers as well. So I think we're kind of
seeing that mirror Patrick mahomes career here.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
It also probably hurts Mahomes and sneaky way that the
Chiefs defense has gotten so good. Yeah, with Chris Jones
being a superstar and uh, you know they've Bolton is
fantastic and then mc duffy. Yeah yeah, that draft in
Vegas where they absolutely loaded up on defense with McDuffie.
That was the Karloftus draft. That was the Leo Chanal draft,

(43:19):
like the.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Kant was Smark Connor in that draft as well?

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean just he he's super talented still,
so but I'm with you. I mean, I have Nix
and May in there, and I just I couldn't do
it with So the reason I don't have Herbert in
there or Stroud is not because of the talent of
the players. Right, I question what this Houston offense is

(43:46):
gonna look like. I think they jumped the gun by
firing Slowick a little bit. I still think he's a
good coordinator. He did so well the year before with CJ.
Shroud as a rookie. You know, I get it. The
offense was the downfall of the team this year, but
they had a lot of injuries, specifically in the pass catchers.
I mean Tank Dell's kneecap, you know, uh, Stefan Diggs,

(44:07):
tour is acl and Nico even got banged up. So
what do you expect? You know, Mixon was awesome. I
think Mixing was very, very good. So they relied on
the run game a little bit more. I just questioned
what this offense is going to look like without Slowick
and where are they getting wide receivers?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Right? Are they?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
You know? I don't think cap is great for them.
I think it's okay. Are they bringing Digs back? And
Tank Dell is not playing this year? So who is
the number two? Is it going to be Mechi, Is
it going to be Hutchinson? You know, is it going
to be a rookie? There are there are options, but
I kind of question what that's going to look like.

(44:47):
And Justin Herbert, I mean, it's the reason that you
said Ashton Chanty to the Chargers. It is the dream
landing spot, right, is that they're going to run the
ball a ton.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
That is what they do. That is what harball teams do.
They run the ball a ton. Yes, you can have
Lamar be the MVP. And I think Justin Herbert has
that kind of upside. Maybe I'm being a little bit
down on him, but I just think they're going to
run the ball a ton. He has had an extensive
injury history, So I gotta put bow Knicks and Drake

(45:20):
May ahead of those guys for their running factor. And
I really think bow Nick showed it off with his arm. Yes,
he threw some picks, but they were in chunks. I
think the first two weeks he started, he threw four
of his twelve. He had another game with three, I
believe against the Colts, so that's seven of his twelve
picks were through three games. The rest he's pretty good
at protecting the ball, and another guy just like Drake

(45:43):
May that didn't have a ton of assets That wide
receiver outside of Courtland Sutton and Cortland Sutton was of
course huge, but twenty nine touchdowns in the rookie season
was very impressive from bow Knicks. So I am Nix
and May ahead of some of those other guys.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Yeah, I don't think there is a huge difference between
us and our feelings about bo Nicks. We both have
him in the top fifteen for super Flex, and the
Fantasy pros expert consensus does not. I guess my worry
with him. He kind of hit the ground running in
his NFL career, and I don't know if there is
a lot of meat left on the bone for him

(46:20):
to get, like, significantly better than he is now. Whereas
I think Jane Daniels scary as it may seem, I
think he could get even better than this. And I
think Drake May is gonna be a lot better than
we saw him this year once that supporting cast is improved.
But I wonder if bo Nicks, yeah, adding some help
more firepower wide receiver, a legitimate tight end which they

(46:44):
didn't have this year that would help for sure, but
I do wonder if Nix is close to maxed out
on his value. As for the other guy's Bogs Stroud, like,
I put it all in his offensive line, man like.
I think his struggles this year mostly attributed attributable to
the shortcomings of the Texans offensive line, which I believe

(47:06):
gave up the highest pressure rate in the league during
the regular season, and there were some games where he
just could not function with the protection he was getting.
Then you'd throw on top of it the wide receiver injuries.
So I think the Texans are going to plow resources
into the offensive line this offseason, and really they only
need to upgrade maybe like two of those spots plus

(47:27):
a depth piece or something. And man, we saw him
turn it on again in the playoffs. So I'm still
pretty bullish on CJ. Stroud. And you know, I regained
confidence in Justin Herbert this season. I think I'd been
lower than consensus on him in Dynasty for quite a while,
but averaged a career best seven point seven yards per
pass attempt this year only through three interceptions in five

(47:51):
hundred and four pass attempts. And I know, I know
they're going to be run heavy with.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Really good until the playoffs Jim Harbaugh.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
But.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Credit Greg Roman. He rediscovered the forward pass this year,
like they were not. I think they were only maybe
the seventh run heaviest team in the league this year,
which was a surprise. I figured they'd be among the
three run heaviest. We know Herbert's gonna add some rushing value.
He's still only twenty six years old. Yes, he has
been banged up, but he is a tough son of

(48:21):
a gun. Bogs like that guy. Remember when he a
couple of years ago when he had that Thursday night
game against the Chiefs where he had like the rib
cartilage injury and was gutting it out and almost pulled out. Yeah,
like an upset win over the Chiefs that night. So
he is, He's a dog man and there aren't many
quarterbacks in the league who can spin it like Justin Herbert.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, you're absolutely.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I mean, in terms of talent, I would just love
to see him in a different offense.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Right, But you're.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Right, and listen, Ladin McConkey will make you rediscover the
forward pass, right that dude was an absolute stud this year.
But they need to add a lot of talent for
him to throw the ball more as well, and don't
have a lot there. It's Ladd and nobody in La.
So I'm I'm still high on Justin Herbert in terms
of his skill, it's just the offensive system and the

(49:10):
talent around him are not my favorite.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
That's all the Chargers here.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
I was just going to say Box, the Chargers have
money to spend in free agency. I would there's almost
Dias so yeah, but like Amari Cooper, DeAndre Hopkins, uh
Stefan Diggs, they just need. Yeah, but do they want
a slot guy. That's the only thing I don't see
them chasing Allen.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
I mean, I'm just thinking of names.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yeah, yeah, I just I think they are going to
find a credible outside receiver because I don't think they
can count on Quentin Johnston being the answer at one
of those outside receiver spots.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
So the third tier in the rankings on FP. You know,
I don't think we need to talk about Jalen Hurts.
I think he's firmly behind the Burrow group in Jade Daniels.
But you know, Jordan love Caleb. You know, now he
has Ben Johnson. That's interesting. Baker is down here, golf

(50:11):
is down here. We're probably a little bit low on
Richardson after his horrible year and Trevor Lawrence after some
bad years.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Are you can are there? Are you really concerned.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
About these guys or are these guys just kind of
right outside this group for you?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
My nearest missus at quarterback, Bogs, and I would say
these guys are probably two of them would be in
my top twenty for sure, so would be in the
next five, Caleb Williams and Jordan Love probably in that order.
I think Caleb's I trust Ben Johnson to get it
right with Caleb, and I know some people think it's
a maybe not the ideal marriage between quarterback and offensive

(50:53):
play caller with the way, at least based on the
way Ben Johnson called games, yes when he was in Detroit,
but I still think it's going to be better. It
was kind of a rough rookie year for Caleb, but
there were also moments, Bogs. I mean, that six to
three game against Seattle on a Thursday night was one
of the ugliest games we've seen in a long time.

(51:14):
But there was a throw that Caleb made in that
game where he was on a dead run and just
hit Romo Doonsay with an absolute dart on a dead
run in the end zone, and of course the touchdown
was called back in a holding penalty. But man, that
throw got me off my couch, bog. Yeah, so good.

(51:35):
Like there are only a handful of dudes in the
league who can make that sort of throw.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
And we mentioned it before, Romadonsay going to be one
of the best buys of this offseason by a wide margin.
Like I'm I am going to try to trade for
Roma Dunsay and probably Caleb Williams everywhere I possibly can,
So I'm absolutely there with you. I also think, you know,
just getting Liam Cohen in Jacksonville could be enormous for

(51:59):
Trevor Lawrence. Right, I still think the skill set is insane.
They have not let him run, ever, Why not. You're
letting Lamar run, Jane Daniels is running, Bo Nix and
Drake May both ran in their rookie seasons. Let this
dude use his wheels. I'm excited about what could potentially
be there. And if Anthony Richardson can figure out how

(52:22):
to throw the ball downfield, He's got talent at the
wide receiver position and the legs are insane, so there's
still a lot of meat on the bone with a
lot of these qbs here Fitzeene.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Yeah, hold on, Bogs, let me throw one more name
into the mix and I'll rank these guys for me, please,
Trevor Lawrence, Anthony Richardson, Michael Pennix Junior.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I would have him in that order, and I would
have him in that order because I don't think Pennex
is going to be a runner, so I would have
Pennex firmly third. But the talent in Atlanta is insane.
Beijon to throw two out of the backfield. Drake London,
who we mentioned, Kyle pit came alive. Finally, Darnell Mooney
had an insane year. Raymy mc McLeod was even good

(53:06):
as a third wide receiver. There's a ton of talent
in Atlanta for Michael Pennix to make this work.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
And I wouldn't even be surprised if they added another
wide receiver in the draft. Bogs, Penix manned, Does that
guy have arm talents?

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (53:20):
I mean that guy is just.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Watched it against the Longhorns.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
He's dropping it in the bucket for Washington over some
really good corners in Texas as well.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
So he yeah, we know he's not gonna run, but
I do think he's a guy who could at his
peak throw fo somewhere from four thousand to forty four
hundred yards a year with like.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Burrow doesn't runs. Burrow doesn't run right, you know, and he's.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Way up there.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
So I do think Bennett Penix potentially has like Joe
Burrow type upside. I think he's that good a passer.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, he could be.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I mean there's and we have probably two starters pretty
quickly coming into the league in h Cam Warren and
Shore Sanders as well. So quarterback looking at least better,
still questionable near the bottom, you know, near that mid
tier range. But there's a lot of upside here with
some of these guys. But that is gonna do it

(54:13):
for us, unless there's anyone else we missed. Is there
anyone we missed, Fitzy that you wanted to discuss before
we get out of here.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
I don't think so, Bogs. You know, I think we
covered it pretty well. And yes, this rookie quarterback class
that just came into the league in twenty twenty four
restock the cupboards very nicely. So I made things a
little bit easier for us doing super flex startup drafts
in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yes, yes, thank god, because it was getting kind of
barren there for a little bit. All right, that's gonna
go ahead and wrap it up for us here talking
about the first round of your dynasty drafts. We'll be
back to do a two round, three round mock here
later this week. Two round mock will make it easy

(54:56):
with myself and FITSY and Worm. We'll be back for that.

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