Sneaky WR Upside? | The 2025 NFL Draft’s Wide Receivers 11–20 + & Sleepers (Ep. 215) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, and welcome into the Fantasy Pros NFL Draft Show.
In this episode, we continue our breakdown of the twenty
twenty five wide receiver class by discussing wide receivers eleven
through twenty. I'm your host, Seth Wilcock, and I'm joined
by two of my best friends in the space, including
a man who continues to be ahead of the curve
when it comes to grading prospects, Derek Brown akadbro Mock

(00:25):
Draft one point zero is live for you this morning.
How you're feeling about it and the reindeer of this
class man feel good.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
About this class overall, baby, And you know, of course
the comments are coming flooding in on the mock draft,
like with everybody that is, you know, a stand of
whatever team being like Mark team would never do that. Ever,
it's like, is this your first NFL draft? We can't
deal in absolutes because none of us know. Man, the
first time. When you start saying my team will never

(00:51):
do that, then you get the Michael Pennock selection, or
then you get the cold Strange selection.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
So don't say never, never say never. Absolutely, thanks for
being here. Deepro Also joining us today is the host
of the Fantasy Pros Dynasty podcast and my co host
over at the Betting Pros College Football Show, Scott Bogman.
Bog's longtime no see. Great to be back with you
breaking down these prospects that were difference makers down the
stretch during the college football season. How are you today, man.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
I we you and I have not discussed Aaron Rodgers yet,
so we have a lot to talk about here as
Steelers fans. But I'm excited, you know, going through these
prospects that this this wide receiver class is deeper than
we give it credit for. I mean, you know, it
doesn't have the top end like last year does. But
right I like a lot of these guys in the middle.

(01:39):
I think there's a couple standouts in particular. I think
there's a couple guys that are probably overrated. I think
the middle of this class is better than people are
giving it credit for.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, that's the fun part of this, man, is Like
this is when we start throwing some dart throws in
our fancy rookie drafts for Dynasty format. So these are
a lot of the guys we're gonna be talking about
that are gonna be in your third, fourth round, fifth round.
If you go that deep, maybe you grab them after
the draft on free agency, so we'll break it all down.
As always, thanks so much for Ryan shotgun with us,
whether that's on the Fantasy Pros YouTube channel or the

(02:11):
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hooked up with our latest ECR for free. Again, that's
our latest ECR for free at fantasypros dot com Slash Rankings. Gentlemen,
let's go ahead and jump into the rest of the
receiver class, starting with mock draft databases Consensus wide Receiver eleven,
Utah States Jalen Royals. We've discussed Royals in the past
on this program, specifically as Derek's biggest winner or one

(02:55):
of his biggest winners from the Senior Bowl. Despite not
being one hundred percent healthy roles former Juco transfer win
for fifty five receptions eight hundred plus yards six touchdowns
this past season. This came just a year after finishing
first in the Mountain West and second in the entire
country with fifteen receiving touchdowns. He went on to post
a nine point twenty seven relative athletic score at the

(03:17):
NFL Combine after running a four point four to two
second forty yard dash. Debro Did his performance in Indy
change your ranking or assessment at all?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Nope. I liked Royals going into Mobile. Still like Royals,
and you know we've talked about it before in this program,
but like for me, for Royals, did he proved a
lot of things in Mobile, going against a better competition,
winning with nuance and route running, and we talked about it.
So everybody can pull up the receipts from that show,
especially being at less than one hundred percent. And then

(03:48):
he goes out and I had a chance to talk
to him extensively at the Combine and he said he's
still not one hundred percent, even at the combine, that
it was not the foot injury that stopped his season,
but he said he's not He's still the estimation off
the top of my head that I remember talking to
Royals about was eighty to ninety percent that he felt okay,
good enough to test, but not do everything. That's what
we saw. Okay, did the vert eighty fifth percentile in

(04:10):
the vert, did the broad jump was okay, not amazing
but not terrible. But he didn't do the short area
of stuff, which, again going back to Mobile, dealing with
soft tissue stuff, not the foot injury that ended his season,
but nine point two rasp that conferms a lot of
things that you see on film for Jaialen Royals. I mean,
this dude is a rack threat. Put the freaking ball

(04:31):
in his hands and watch him break tackles and churn
out yards. Man. So you team that with the route
running nu once that I saw on Mobile. I love
Jaalen Royals, man, and I know it sounds like, Okay, well,
maybe I've got him ranked aggressively, like I got him
a wide receiver ten in this class, and I feel
that's like I'm a little bit in line, maybe a
little bit above consensus, but a guy that I'm going

(04:53):
to be drafting, probably back into the second round if
I can. And a lot of different spots in super
flex rookie drafts depending where he goes. Because I've got him.
I've got him at think inside my comfortable like top
twenty foard to okay, thirty players, so he's right on
that second round kind of boundary.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Boggs, I know you're a huge Mountain West guy. What
do you think of Royals as it translates to the
next level? Where do you have him in your rankings?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (05:21):
I got him at eleven among wide receivers, and I
go back and forth between him and Betch, so I
could probably get him to ten at some points. It's
kind of like whoever I watched last I like better,
you know what I mean, kind of those between Betch
and Royals. But I mean what you see from him
is that first step explosiveness, and it proved itself into
the ten yard split as well. One point four to nine.

(05:42):
That's ninety second percentile in the ten yard split. Explosive playmaker.
The quick first step gets him open and he makes
a lot of first tackle attempts miss with those extremely
quick feet and body control. He's one of the guys
that we'll see on this list that was the best
player on his team by a wide margin. Everybody knew
the ball was going to him, and they still couldn't
stopp him. Right, high school track star, AAU guy, all

(06:04):
the athleticism, all of it's there, He's still a bit
raw in terms of like route nuance and blocking technique
and really sometimes with those big physical corns, which is
most of these guys on this list. But dealing with
those physical guys, he still needs some more experience, I think.
But I think this is a guy that, depending on
his landing spot, what I want to see him do

(06:26):
is learn on the job. I want him in three
wide receiver sets immediately, probably playing from the slot to
start his career, but he can play all over. And
I just think this guy has a very very high ceiling.
I think the floor could be pretty low as well
for a lot of these dudes, but I think his
floor is fairly high. So I think he has a
high ceiling and a pretty decently high floor, a lot

(06:47):
of athleticism, So just let the guy learn. I think
going to a spot where they need a wide receiver
would be very very good for him, so he doesn't
have to sit d bro.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Can he sneak into day two or do you think
he's an early Day three guy.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
He's probably there's so many wide receivers that I think
are not going to go in the first round to
fall into round two. I think he's probably a late
or mid day two, like somewhere in the third round,
and I wouldn't be surprised if he drops into the
fourth round just because he's not a guy again like
we're talking about, went to Utah State, came out of
Georgia Military Academy before then, so like a no star prospect.

(07:23):
So yeah, not one of these guys that like the
helmet thing is going to help his draft stock, you
know what I mean. Like basically a team has to
fall in love with him, and he had to prove
some things both in mobile at the combine. I think
he did, but I'm curious with the rest of the
NFL things.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay, Yeah, we'll certainly chat about Royals and all these
prospects will be live during that week on Day one
and Day two of the NFL Draft here on the
Fantasy Pros YouTube channel, so make sure you guys are
subscribed and what more details about those streams here then
the coming weeks. Let's go ahead and let's transition to
wide receiver twelve. It's Miami's Xavier of strep bro. This
is the fifth year senior who returned to South Beach

(08:01):
for another season in twenty twenty four, where he became
cam Ward's main man, racking up in acc leading twenty
seven receiving yards eleven touchdowns. He was also named a
consensus All American as a result. Rastrepo didn't test at
the combine except for the bench press, but he did
weigh in at two hundred and nine pounds, fourteen pounds

(08:22):
heavier than his listed playing weight at Miami. Does that
matter for you at all, Bogman? And where are you
overall on the former three star recruit?

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, this is pretty easy the first two.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
I do have an order eleven and twelve here, so
I love Rastrepo. Obviously the size is a concern, but
this is guy recruited by Harvard and Georgia but decided
to stay close to home, and he set the all
time receiving record for the University of Miami. He has
so much experience. A route running is impeccable. He dices
up zone coverage, he's finding the weak spot. He runs

(08:53):
himself open. He's stronger than his size would indicate he
sticks to the play when it breaks down. Obviously we
saw a lot of that from cam Ward this year,
and Ristreppo was a huge part of cam Ward's success
this year. But I think the size is obviously the
big concern. It's not really a field stretcher. He's not
gonna burn past guys and another dude that really has

(09:15):
a hard time with physical dbs. So I think he's
limited physically. But you know, we've talked about that with
so many successful slot wide receivers. They are somewhat limited physically, right,
and they still have a lot of success. The motor,
the route running, the technicality that he plays with I
think will all overcome those physical disadvantages.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
De bro, is that how you kind of project Rustrepo
at the next level is as some type of uh
slot power slot wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, I think he's gonna be slot only. There's a
bunch of guys in this class, like we've kind of
talked about in previous episodes, like I fully believe like
you could put Jamn Knowl, you could put a Buco
on the outside, they can win and stuff like that.
Depending on the coverages and the corners of the are facing.
Rastrepo's not that guy. I think he's gonna be slot confined.
I was very disappointed with how he performed immobile in

(10:08):
the one on ones, which if you're talking about okay,
even if it's a level playing field, which it's kind
of not. I mean, those drills are kind of more
centric to the wide receivers, and you see guys, you know,
gaining separation. I was very disappointed in Mobile to see
Rastrepo get strapped up on a lot of different reps
and have a hard time against really good competition earning separation.

(10:29):
So that dropped him in my ranks where I think
going into Mobile, I was pretty much probably in line
with where Bogmann is on him. I've dropped him to
wide receiver sixteen in my ranks. There's just when you
get into like the tier four, tier five of this class,
there's just some guys and some skill sets that I
like a little bit more than Rastrepo. But like, you

(10:50):
know what you're getting with him, You're getting a guy
that's low center of gravity. He kind of looks like
a running back after the catch. He can break some tackles,
he can make some yact but again not you're gonna
be asking to stretch the field, even down the seam.
I mean, it's it's all underneath stuff. And really you're
asking him to break some tackles and he could do
that man like like when you see him on the field.

(11:12):
And one of the things that stuck out to me,
and that's one of the great things about seeing these
guys live, is body composition. What are you seeing like?
Are they rocked up? Are they thin? What do they
look like coming off the line? Ristreppo looks like a
freaking running back man, Like, all you see is button calves,
Like when you see this guy in freaking like football stuff. Yeah,
he could have stood side by side with like freaking

(11:34):
He reminded me of Cody Schrader from last year. Sure
you just see nothing but lower half and you're like,
oh my god, Like, okay, well I see why you're
breaking tackles. So again, I think he's a known commodity,
a guy where he probably goes on Day three to
some team that has a slot need or maybe he's
the backup slot wide receiver in the plan, maybe for
twenty twenty six and not twenty twenty five.

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in at Wide Receiver thirteen, it's TCU's wide receiver Sabin Williams,
who was featured on Bruce Feldman's twenty twenty four freak list.
Sony Dikes deployed this guy really all over the field
at wide receiver, out wide, in the slot, in the backfield,

(12:39):
and even occasionally down the stretch as a wildcat quarterback.
Williams then ran the forty at the combine posted a
four point four to eight second forty time, which not
bad is considering his size. However, he was measured at
six four and twenty two pounds, a touch smaller than
what TCU had him listed at initially. Debro I know
william with someone you were dying to see out the

(13:02):
NFL combine. Did he do enough to remove that gadget
player label from his profile?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I don't think so. I think again, talking about known
commodities and stuff, I think we haven't seen this archetype
of player, like truly succeed. Now. We've seen a lot
of teams in history, you know, take a bite of
the apple with the quarter Earl Patterson's the laviskas channaults
in the world. And that's the archetype we're talking I

(13:27):
would save you on and so like, I think he
tested fine man, Like you know, the fact that he
was he was a freaklister tells me everything I needed
to know. You know, we can weigh the combine, not
weigh the combine. I think, like you turn on the
film and really it's gonna tell you everything you need
to know about this player. And he could break tackles.
You're gonna use him in a lot of different facets
or like as you're building out how you want your

(13:49):
offense to look. And that's what TCU did. They use
him on screens, handoffs, freaking wildcat snaps. In twenty twenty four,
he got three hundred and twenty two rushing yards. So
a player that I have a hard time seeing him
ever carving out like a full time role as a
traditional wide receiver. But you're telling me a team sees
him in a similar mold of like a dollar store debo,

(14:12):
and they want to put him in a lot of
different facets of their offense and really just get the
ball in his hands. Yeah, that's probably where he's going
to fit in the NFL. And we know that based
off of his game now in the traditional wide receiver
usage that you see at TCU, which the games that
I was able to get all of twenty two was
more limited. This just happened to be the games where

(14:33):
he was getting a lot of that scheme production, a
lot of the crazy kind of usage in the offense.
What it did see from him as far as a
traditional wide receiver, he looked pretty good as far as
like deal with man press coverage situations. And that doesn't
really like shouldn't shock anybody considering the physical acumen this
gude has, like hand fighting, he has good play strength,

(14:55):
but still, you know, questions about route running new on
and if a team wants to try to take the
you know, the square peg and try to put it
into the round hole and make him a traditional wide
receiver that hasn't gone too well as historically for this
archetype of player, and that's not how I'll project him
at the NFL level.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Boggs, how do you feel about Williams? Because before the
season he was the hot name at TCU that everyone
knew about, and Jack Besh kind of stole some of
that spotlight this season.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah, Besh really came over from LSU and was awesome, Uh,
saveing on Williams and I the first time I heard
this cop was from a boy, Pat fitzmor So. I've
heard a lot of other people say it now. Cordello Patterson, right,
a guy that is extremely physically gifted over eighty percentile
on heightweight ten yards split, over fifty percent in forty

(15:46):
in arm length right six three seven two twenty two,
big rocked up guy played QB and high school, switched
to wide receiver in college, which is why they put
him in the wildcat and they can use him all
over the formation. But you know, he doesn't have the
experience at the position. His routes are not crisp, and
really the worst part of his game is his hands.

(16:07):
He has stone hands and he gets them in the
right position, but for some reason, I don't know if
it's concentration, I don't know if it's repetitive, but railing
and catches can be an issue for him, and he
really doesn't have a lot in terms of blocking, specifically
at his size. It's kind of surprising to see him
not blocking very well because with his size it should

(16:27):
just be get in the way. But he needs to
refine that as well. So I think he has so
much upside, But there are many athletic players that have
a ton of upside that just don't make it in
the NFL. Right, So for me, I have him at
wide receiver sixteen. I think there's a ton of upside here,
but I think he's a project, so I think he
needs to be in the mid teens.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
I'm at wide receiver fifteen. I'm with you, Bogs, and
that's a good shout out about the drops and stuff
like that. I'm not gonna they are very different players,
but anybody win the loose comparison between him and QJ
coming out of TAC You like bro a ten point
four percent drop rate in college.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
It's not good.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Lot of drops not good.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, definitely. If you're taking him in your dynasty rookie drafts,
I think you have to be really patient. Hopefully you
have a deep bench, maybe a really deep taxi squad
as well. I think that's the only way you're gonna
find potential future value with someone like Savian Williams. Tracking
as the wide receiver fourteen is oregon'st Hez Johnson. After

(17:27):
three seasons at Troy, being one of the top wide
receivers in the Sun Belt Conference, Tes transferred to Oregon,
where he posted over two thousand yards twenty touchdowns for
the Ducks over the past two seasons. He also proved
to be dynamic with the ball in his hands as
a punt returner as well. However, absolutely brutal combine for
the kid. Weighed in at just one hundred and fifty

(17:48):
four pounds and posted an ugly seven point sixty six
raz as well Bogman without showing elite speed, and he
broke Debro's cardinal roll of weighing under one hundred and
sixty pounds. I'm out on ted, translating to the next level.
Where do you stand?

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Man? Someday I would love to break Debro's sixty pounds.
It's not gonna be today, I'll tell you that much.
But look, you know the forty was bad and he's
way underweight. One fifty seven is incredibly skinny, you know,
not unbelievably short. Five nine to seven. I think he's

(18:22):
okay there. But the broad jump was good, the three
cone was great in the ninety percentile, The ten yard split,
the vert the shuttle were all in the seventy plus.
But the arm heightweight wingspan under fifteen percentile. Just not
good physically to fit in the NFL. And you know,
he spent his first three seasons at Troy, he went

(18:44):
to Oregon to be with his adopted brother bon Nicks.
He plays way faster than the time speed, I'll say that,
and he's got a ton of wiggle. Like you mentioned,
punt and kick return, He's gonna at least get those
to start his career. And unlike Savian Williams, he catches
everything he gets his hands on, so he has vice
grip hands for a guy of his size. But being

(19:05):
in the first percentile in wait, I think he's just
really gonna he's slot only and he's going to struggle
there at times. So I have him a wide receiver
twenty two. You cannot doubt the the athleticism that he has,
even though the speed didn't show up at the combine.
I think he plays way faster than that speed. But
you know, he's not Tank Dell, and we've seen what

(19:27):
has happened to Tank Dell in the NFL. Right, He's
too small to make it a long term in his career,
and I think the same thing is going to happen
with Ted. So I think he gets drafted, but if
he doesn't, he's at least going to the Broncos practice
squad for sure. So I think he's going to play
in the NFL, But I just don't trust his long
term aptitude at that level.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Derek, it sounds like you you feel very similar.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I'm out. I'm out. Not drafting him in Dynasty, I'm out.
And whether, however we want to dice this up, we
could talk about the size. Just the size alone makes
him an outlier of outliers of outlier. Like if he
does hit, fine, I will only l that's fine. I

(20:12):
just don't see it happening, dude, Like players that are
that small and then he doesn't test like an alien?
Do We've seen guys that are that size to helo
two too out well, that run like lightning. Yeah, and
they still don't make it. So what's the outs for
tes Johnson? Oh, it's the route running. Well, that's not
really the case because if you look at his his
production profile, it is horribly fraudulent. We're talking about a

(20:36):
guy that was utilized emotion bunch formations from the backfield,
basically everything that Oregon could do to get the ball
in his hands with manufactured touches. This guy was also
last year had fifty one point seven percent of his
target volume on screens. He had the eighth most screens
in all of FBS. So you're talking about is this

(20:59):
a player that necessitates or demands if you draft him,
like he demands that you use him in that type
of role because that's the way he was used in college.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Well, and there's one thing, d bro. It's like, you know,
if you're on the field constantly and you're motioning, then
you're a problem for the other team. But at the
NFL level, we don't think he's gonna be on the
field every single snap, right, So when he comes into
the game, you telegraph what you're gonna do with him.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
So is he good enough to get that type of
usage too, Because the other thing about it is like, okay,
Oregon used him in that way also to get the
ball in his hands, but that's also an indictment of
his skill set and his size.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Is he talented enough or good enough physical specimen to
necessitate or demand from an OC to carve out this
spot in an offense to manufacture these types of touches
And I think we can all agree it's emphatically no.
So you're talking about basically like I wouldn't be surprised

(21:59):
if a team takes a swing on him late. I
also wouldn't be surprised if he goes undrafted considering everything
we've talked about here.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, I would hate to see it, man, especially I
mean this guy. Absolutely, I'm not trying to shade the kid.
I'm just being yes, yeah, no, And that's what we
have to do here. We have to keep it one
hundred percent. And I mean Boggs. You remember he tore
up my Penn State and any lines in that Big
Ten Championship game. Dude could not be stopped. But when
it comes to translating UH to the next level, it
feels like we're out.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
I gotta be honest. I hate thresholds, right, I don't
like them. I think they're I think they can ruin
a good prospect for you. But I think the weight one,
if you're gonna have one, that's probably it. You cannot
be under one seventy five in the NFL and expect
to last. It just doesn't happen for guys that's small.
So yeah, I'm I got him in twenty two, which

(22:49):
if his consensus is what do you say it was
thirteen or fourteen fourteen?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, that's tough, man, that's a big drop.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, too high.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Very I gotta get athletically, and he can be a kick,
can part return for his There's guys that do that
at that size.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
But I just don't know if he has much more
than that.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Like I mean, like, give me, there's just a host
of wide receivers here. Like I'll take Savion over him.
Because even if we're like we're worried about the role
and stuff like that, Okay, you're talking about a similar
role for both of these guys. When you really like
when you pop open the hood and you're like, okay,
the role is not that different in how both of

(23:26):
these teams got the ball in their hands. Oh, except
one's a physical freak and the other one's kind of.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Shit and he's light.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Okay, well, you're taking, like, which one of these archetypes
of wide receivers am I going to draft? Okay? Well,
save on versus Tess Johnson who Savian looks like he
ate to test Johnson.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I'll take Savion. Yeah, I'll take the six four, two
hundred and twenty two founder for sure. Next up is
Maryland's Ty Felton, former three star recruit who led the
Chirps in receiving yards this past year. He totaled ninety
six receptions, fourth in the country over eleven hundred receiving yards,
nine touchdowns as well here in first team All Big
Ten honors, and it was one of the few bright

(24:05):
spots on this four and eight Maryland team. Pretty good
combine for the kid too. Posted a nine point six
raz after running a four point three seven second forty
yard dash. Debro, I know Felton is one of our
guy Fitzi's favorite rookie wide receiver sleepers. Are you on
board that train as well?

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, I'm I'm okay with watching the train pass me
by Seam in Dynasty of Rookie Drafts. I like the kid,
I don't love him like he's my wide receiver seventeen.
I think he's a solid prospect. I don't think he's
an amazing prospect. Like also considering outside of the combine,
Like you could turn on the film and see, Okay,

(24:43):
he's got speed and stuff, but there's also parts of
his game where it's like, how excited am I gonna
get for a wide receiver. Over the last two years,
it's ranked fifty seventh and one hundred and forty eighth
in yards per route run. I think he's good versus
his own coverage. You see him get separation a lot
of underneath. I know that he played almost seventy seven
percent on the perimeter in college. I think he's probably

(25:06):
more likely going to move to the slot in the NFL,
and maybe that helps him a good bit because he's
not a myyeball winner. Like and again we talked about
drop issues. His are not as pronounced as other wide
receivers in this class, but a thirty eight point five
percent can test to catch rate a five point nine
percent drop rate. Drop rates not like immensely alarming although

(25:27):
you do see him body catch some things. A lot
of things with typ Felton is he just reminds me
of like one of these guys. It's probably going to
be a solid like wide receiver four for an NFL
team and not like I'm just a monster producer for fantasy.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
What do you think bugs, I like Type Felton. I
got him at fifteen.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
He's off the charts athletic ninety percent in the broad,
the vert and the forty. The size unimpressive under fifteen
percent in weight, arm and wingspan. But I think the
blend of body controlling athleticism is really what makes him dangerous.
And he uses strong body control to lean on defenders
and routes, pop out, bring the ball in. He's constantly

(26:05):
finding the solid spot against zone and using that burst
once against the ball in his hands, he can wind
up wide or slot. I think there's options for him
at the next level. But like Debro said, the hands
aren't special. He does have a you know, not concerning,
but a higher than you would like drop percentage. But
he comes up with the big ones. I feel like

(26:27):
the big hitters, ones that are downfield. But as Debro mentioned,
you know, I think so many screens probably inflated his
production numbers. So I think when you look at his
numbers and they pop out and all the accolades he has,
I think he's a little inflated because of those screens. Obviously,
the contested catcher at thirty eight and a half percent
in college is not good, so he probably needs to

(26:49):
play more slot. But I do I just think that
the floor is crazy high with him, with his ability
to run routes and have that body control and make
the big catches. I think he's probably a team three
at his floor, you know, once we get rolling. But
I think that he could be a team too, Like
I think he can go either way. But I think

(27:10):
the floor is very good for him if he doesn't
get injured quickly in the NFL. So I think he's
a pretty safe prospect here.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
I didn't bring it up when I was talking about him,
but really good point by Bogman because I was just
kind of knocking tes Johnson for all the freaking screens. Well,
the guy right behind him in FBS last year was
Ty Felton. He had thirty one screens, ninth most in
FBS versus tesz Johnson thirty two.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
The difference to me is ty Felton could be on
the field for every type of play tes can't. So
like you can run those screens, he can be your
screen guy. You don't have to run him every play.
But when you bring a guy off the bench onto
the field that only runs screens, you probably know what
his route's gonna be. So I think Tye is way
more dynamic than tes No.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
At wide receiver sixteen, we've got Colorado's dates. Tory Horton,
the former Nevada transferred, was rated as a top one
hundred player coming into the twenty twenty four college football
season after back to back years of over eleven hundred
yards and eight touchdowns. However, he suffered a season ending
knee injury just six games into the year. Ultimately, he

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finished his college career with the third most receptions, fourth
most receiving yards, and seventh most receiving touchdowns in the
Mountain West. All the time, Horton was able to make
it back for the combine as well, posted a four
point four to one second forty times a nine point
seven to one raz Bogman. Horgan is perhaps my favorite
wide receiver. We're discussing today and as someone I'm targeting

(28:38):
in all of my last rounds of Dynasty rookie drafts.
Are you on that train as well?

Speaker 3 (28:44):
I'm not. This is the train I'll let pass by. Now.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
I do like him. I think he's a very strong player.
I really hate that he got hurt and we didn't
see the product, the growth really from him at the
end of the season. But I mean to come back
after having knee surgery in October and run a four
to four one at the combine and put up sixty
five percentile in the forty, the vert the ten yards

(29:10):
split and his height, I think all of that, you know,
adds up to a very good profile. And he's a
great deep threat, long strider, long strides. When you watch
him that those things help him pull away quickly. He
gets in and out of his routes real, real, well.
He's a great tracker of the deep ball, incredible hands,

(29:31):
show him making strong plays downfield, and he has his
contested catch wasn't amazing, but it was a shade over
fifty percent in his career. And he switches from the
catch to looking down field so quickly. And he was
eleventh in yak in twenty twenty three. So this guy
with the ball in his hands is dangerous. But I'll

(29:51):
say the negatives on him outside of just the injury,
but skinny frame, he gets pressed against physical corners. He's
you know, obviously coming off the injury. The burst it's
just great, but the long speed it probably isn't. I
don't think he has a very refined route Tree. I
think it's kind of you know, running flags, running posts.
He needs to build on that a lot, and I

(30:13):
think the effort wanes, particularly when the ball isn't coming
his way in terms of blocking and setting up things
for other players. I think his effort does win there.
He has concentration drops when he's getting too excited about
running downfield with the ball in his hands. So if
he is one hundred percent by the time the season
rolls along, he can be plug and play for those
intermediate deep routes.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Already.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
I don't like his short game, and I really don't
like that effort. The effort waning on plays where he's
not getting the ball or.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Not involved in the play.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
So sounds like a feeler he does. It sounds like Pickens. Yeah,
Dollar Tree, Pickens. I got him at twenty.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Okay, okay, Deebro, how do you feel about Horn? And
does anyone have any information whether that was like a
clean acl tear what the injury was because I couldn't try.
I've been same here. I've been trying to scour the
internet for days and I couldn't. Like, you know, how
college football over, I'm gonna get.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
It's an mclut because he's back already, he banned, he
had surgery for it.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
I think it's an mcl Okay, do you Bro your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
On Horton here?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I wasn't able to find anything specific about about what
injury because again, college reporting is.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
A frifth, especially in the Mountain West.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, it's such a mess. I will say I'm higher
on Tory Horton than bogman Is. I got him at
wide receiver thirteen. He's in my tier four. I like
the skill set, man, Like he reminds me of kind
of that clasher kind of build, Like whether you want
to go with Marvin Jones at the high end or
Michael Gallup, Like that's the kind of guy he reminds me.

(31:48):
I mean, and Bogmanette laid this out like big, galloping,
physical wide receiver. Man like high cut his mistackles force ability.
I think in his strength after the catch. I like
a little bit more than Bogman does. Like we're talking
about a player that, like in twenty twenty three, he
was sixteenth that miss tackles forced Oh wow, Now he
does have some his hips are a little bit tight,

(32:10):
but dude's got quick feet and he utilizes them well
to kind of get himself out of some pinches with
the hips and stuff. Like you're not going to see
him sink his hips extremely well on comebacks and curls
and things like that. But can he can he flip
them really fast on you know, inbreaking routes and stuff,
Yeah he can, man so, And I think he offers

(32:30):
a decent amount with yak and stuff. Not like amazing,
But I also like his hands a little bit more
than Scott here because he only had like, really one
season that's just dragging down his entire collegiate profile. Like
we're talking about over a five year career in college
one year with just a ghastly ten point one percent

(32:52):
drop rate. The other four seasons, we're discussing a player
that was sub five percent, like three point eight four,
three point seven four point eight percent, So I'm not
that worried about his hands. I do think that he
tested a little bit better at the combine that I
was thinking it was going to test.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Like testing at all was pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, no, it was.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
It was. And I mean especially to go out there
and he runs a four to four one like on film.
I think he's more of a build up speed and
a four or five guy as far as like looking
at game speed for him. But the testing, I mean
a nine point seven raz says enough man like. So
you know, I don't think that because there are guys
where you see them going. You see him test at

(33:32):
the combine and you're like, oh wow, holy crap, like
this guy like maybe I need to go back to
the film. There are other guys where those metrics like
don't always necessarily translate to the film into the to
the field. So I like Horton a good bit though.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Okay, all right, dollar Store George Pickens.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
That's uh, that's gonna be Aaron Rodgers' next target out there,
and the Burger calling it now oho.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
Uh.

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Next up, Washington States, Kyle Williams comes in at wide
receiver seventeen, and what an interesting college career this guy
had Man had instant production at UNLV, then transferred to

(35:22):
Wazoo after three seasons there and despite the dissolving of
the Pac twelve, his quarterback cam Ward transferring. Williams had
a career twenty twenty four season seventy receptions for nearly
twelve hundred yards fourteen touchdowns. However, Williams did not have
the best showing in Indianapolis, finished with a seven point
eight four raz Derek, is Williams anything more than a

(35:44):
Day three flyer to you?

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I think he's gonna go somewhere in day three. And
I know there's a lot of stands. There's there's a
Kyle Williams high out there that loves him. I think
he's a good player. I don't think he's an amazing player.
Like right now, I've got him at wide receiver eighteen,
right behind Ty Felton, then right behind Xavier Ristrepo. I
think somewhere in those mid to eighteen ranges kind of

(36:08):
where I'm at. Like there's a lot to like about
his game, Like he's got the speed to stretch the field.
But this is really a guy we're going to talk
about more of beating zone and more of creating with
the ball in his hands, And so I look at
him as more of an underneath weapon, and like we
could talk about you know, like did he have a
really good twenty twenty four? Sure? Was that also his

(36:30):
fifth year in college And yeah, didn't really make a
lot of waves up until that point. So like I
don't really like go down because Nil and a lot
of other things and has changed the college landscape where
we can't always just say, Okay, well, if he's not
an early declare, early breakout guy, then you know he's
never gonna make it. I think that's kind of changed
the flavor of the coffee a little bit. But a

(36:52):
guy that I think I'm more lean into that kind
of not crowd, but the way that I'm looking at him.
He kind of benefited for being in college for so long.
But I think he's a useful player man, Like he's
got a dense lower half. He could break some tackles,
create some yak beat zone coverage. He's still got a
lot that he needs to improve. Like the straight line
speed is good, and that helps him get downtown. But

(37:14):
when you're asking at the top of his stem to
create separation, to have clean and crisp route breaks. I
don't see that as often. I mean it's I think
I'm kind of being kind by saying it's inconsistent at times.
So a player that I think we could see a
little bit more utility, Like he didn't get like a

(37:34):
lot of the like handoffs and manufactured stuff in college.
I think we're gonna see more of that. Like I
think he's kind of a poor man. Again, We're going
dollar store versions of a lot of players, because we're
discussing players that are, you know, in the teams the
twenty range in the wide receiver class this year. I
think if a team is looking for kind of like
the dollar store version of Jayden Reid, you're probably gonna

(37:56):
get that out of Kyle Willys.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Okay, do you guys know what all these is? Have
you been to an all these all these?

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:02):
All these no, all these all these no. Oh.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I was like, is there a silent d in here?
I know?

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I was like, no, I haven't heard of that.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
I have heard of all these.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
All these is like a discount store up in the northeast. Here,
it's like logos like an old man, and it kind
of smells heard when you go in there. But you
can get some really cheap stuff. So if all these
wants to sponsor, are you about to ask me about shopping?
All of where are we going?

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Where are we going? With that?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I was just curious. We were talking dollar stores, So
I was just curious if anyone had heard of it,
because I didn't know. It's always a conversation among friends.
I feel like we talk all these a lot. Bogman,
your thoughts here on Kyle Williams and what a careers
As we said, like probably would have played in bigger games,
we would have just stayed at you and LV. But
has a monster twenty twenty four season at Wazoo regardless

(38:50):
of the conference.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Yeah, fifth year senior, and he has put the work
in and I think he routinely gets open. I think
he has a very good route tree. I think it's
pretty refined. I really like his ability to sell a
route geared down and catch the ball and ramp back up.
I think he does that stop start very well. He's
consistently finding separation different ways, and he can play on

(39:11):
the outside where he mainly played. But I think transitioning
him to the slot wouldn't be difficult at all for him.
But I'll say this, he can't get stood up by
physical cbs again like a lot of these guys can,
because he's five ten, one ninety, So if you're over
two hundred, get hands on him, he's not going anywhere.
And another guy where the effort wanes sometimes specifically in

(39:33):
run blocking, but it can't be seen in routes as well.
He's mainly used to running a route to catch the ball,
and when he doesn't do that, he's not really into it.
So the biggest concern is that when he doesn't get separation,
he's not coming down with a lot of contested catches.
So I think the thing that is positive for me
is that during Senior Bowl week he heard a lot

(39:53):
of good reports about how he was whooping guys one
on one in those drills. So I think se that
at a higher level already is a very big positive
towards Kyle Williams. So I have him at seventeen. I
think deebro you said you have him at eighteen, so
I like one spot ahead of you on him. He's
not my favorite in this class, but I do think

(40:15):
you know, if he can get that separation, he has
a high floor. But if there's no separation, he's gonna
be a bench guy for a long time, probably out
of the league pretty quickly. So I think he's kind
of a coin flip with pretty good upside.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Though I kind of look at him and like there's
a lot of similarities that I kind of draw when
I watch him and I watch type Felton. Deep speed
and the ability to get downfield is a little bit different,
but I think like how they're going to be deployed
in the NFL might not look that much different.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Okay, speaking of Felton, let's head back to College Park
for wide receiver eighteen with another Churp, Caden Praither. At
six three, two hundred and four pounds, Prayther was more
that prototypical ex receiver for Maryland this past season. He
posted back to back season of six hundred plus yards
after transferring from West Virginia. Not the worst combine, clocked

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a four to four to six second forty yard dash,
but ultimately finished with a seven point four relative athletic score. Bogs.
Does Prayther move the needle for you at all?

Speaker 3 (41:16):
He does?

Speaker 4 (41:16):
I have him at wide receiver fourteen Okay, you know,
eighty nine percent height, sixty six percent forty at six
three four. I think that's really good. He wins with
the size in the route running. The body control at
his size is really impressive. The catch radius is huge,
and he is extremely crisp in and out of his routes.
Very good in man coverage because he finds that separation.

(41:38):
He uses his size well. He can also find the
hole in the zone coverage. He doesn't have to be
crazy athletic because the fluidity is there. To me, I think,
what did concern me with him? And why I have
him down at fourteen very unimpressive forty four point seven
percent catch rate despite this big size. He can shield,
but he's not high pointing very well. Four percent in

(42:00):
the vert four percentile jump twelve percent in the broad
So the athleticism is not quite there. He really needs
some of the separation. It's going to be harder at
without that top level speed at the next level, and
he's outpaced by his teammate in term of production in
ty Felton. Yeah, he has that Nico Collins archetype of

(42:21):
a wide receiver right, but for every Nico, there's keyon Coleman, mccollins,
mac hollins, right, there's a lot of those guys. So
I would say the things that I like about him
is he has the motor, he has a body control,
and I think I'm willing to take a risk on that.
So that's why I have at fourteen. But I have

(42:42):
a pretty clear tier break one pick before him at thirteen.
I think there's a big tier break and he is
the first of the next tier.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
De Bro, how do you feel about him? Because this
feels like a class where there's not a lot of
typical guys who profile as X receivers. But as we
just mentioned, sometimes I doesn't always translate the fantasy production
I e. Maccollins.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Okay, So I've got him in the area code of
a lot of guys that we can have a very
similar conversation with. Like I've got him and we're gonna
talk about him here in a second, But I've got
him in the same tier as Pat Bryant, Brew McCoy
like big bodied, like clasher X receiver types, and he's
at the bottom of that tier. So wide receiver twenty
three for me, and it's just I'm not wowed by

(43:28):
any part of his game. I mean the analytical profile
doesn't stand out, like two hundred and fortieth one hundred
and fifty thirty yards per route run over the last
two years. You look at his collegiate career, I mean
one year above one point seven yards per route run,
that's really not amazing. Sure, twenty four misstackles over the

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longevity of like four years in college isn't crazy. You're
looking at the archetype of player. Okay, well, at the
catch point forty four point seven percent contest to catch rate.
I just look at him as a big body, clasher
kind of guy, like possession receiver. His hips are pretty fluid,
and that kind of helps cure somewhat ails him as
far as like foot speed, because while I know that

(44:10):
he ran the four four six forty, it's build up speed, dude.
Like you look at him like he's not offering much
of anything after the catch, like four point five yards
have to catch per reception. So really a possession guy
and a station to station guy. And again the build
up speed also shows up in his testing, like his
ten yards split while his forty yard dash was eighty

(44:33):
fourth percentile, his ten yards split with seventy third percentile,
So like, yeah, not terrible in any way, but like
it does show up on the film where if you
get him moving linearly, like get him on crossers, get
him down the field, like can he win back shoulder balls? Sure?
Is he a guy where you're gonna ask him to
run like a lot of hitches and a lot of
start stop stuff where okay, we want you to produce

(44:55):
after the catch. I just not part of his game, man.
So like for me, I would feel a little bit
better about Prayther. He doesn't really have the overall skill
set and where I think like he's going to demand
that an offensive coordinator does this with him. But for me,
I'd feel a lot better about him if you made
him a big slot like and then maybe you see

(45:17):
like a Geronimo Allison type of kind of career art
for him, but but not really somebody where I'm going
out of my way to draft in Dynasty.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
You're gonna call him devint geezmo Allison.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I mean I'm back to I.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Mean, are we feeling great about like the big body
X guy that tested with a ten percentile vertical jump
and at twenty.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Two no I broad jump like the explosion's not there, dude.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
I understand your trepidation, and and like I said, I
do have a big tear break between thirteen and fourteen
for him or next guy is my thirteen by the way,
but that tier is fourteen to twenty one, so you
having him at twenty three, I could easily slide him
down the board in that group. So I just think
you can't teach spy. He can't teach the size. So

(46:03):
let's I have the size guys a little bit higher.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Man, Geronimo Allison burn me in twenty nineteen. I'll never
forget that. I had crazy exposure to him, man, And
I remember that was like, is it gonna be mvs?
This is gonna be Geronimo Allison gas an awesome name.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I didn't mean to knock him off your board, Sete.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
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(47:02):
just hop into the simulator. I'll get that fired up
and get a little mot going on. So, guys, we
have two wide receivers left, starting with one of my
favorites in this class as well, Pat Bryant. He played
the flanker at Illinois. He led the team with nine
hundred and eighty four receiving yards ten touchdowns, finished top
five in the Big Ten in both those categories. Not

(47:23):
the best combine for Bryant. He came in in shorter
than what he was listed at and ran a four
point sixty one second forty yard dash. Debro, do you
have any interest in Brian as a Dynasty rookie draft
dart throw someone you're maybe mocking.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yeah, I've got some interest. I'm like, it's not a Ton,
like I've got him at wide receiver twenty one. Again,
I think if now, out of these the big X
guys that are lower in this class, yeah, I mean
he's probably my favorite guy. So I will say that,
like because there's a lot to like about whether his
analytical profile, how he tested. If anybody thought he was

(47:58):
going to go out and run faster than like a
high four five low four six, I don't know what
you were watching on tape, and that's what he did
at the combine. So like the four six two whatever,
that doesn't matter to me, Like it shows up in
his film and kind of like the body type, the
archetype of player that he is again going back to it,
he is the big bodied X clasher type, like he

(48:21):
has to win at the catch point, and honestly, his
play strength is pretty freaking good man, Like we're talking
about a player that he's a bully after the catch
thirteen miss tackles forced on only fifty four receptions last year. Again,
can you use him down the field more than say
somebody like we're talking about like with Prayther, I think
so because I think he's a better ball winner, like

(48:42):
at the catch point, it shows up in his analytics.
I think like with his play strength, he can create
a little bit more after the catch, even though he's
not fast. But probably a guy that we're looking at
NFL archetypes and fits and stuff like that, a player
that is going to be asked to play X in
the NFL and probably stretch the field. You know, Now,

(49:06):
is he gonna be a full time player? I think
probably not. Probably a solid wide receiver for a most
NFL depth charts, But there's a lot to like about
Bryant's profile and his skill set.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Boggs. We saw a quarterback from Illinois, Luke Altmeyer, take
a huge step this past year, Brian. A big reason
why it sounds like you're on in on him as well.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
I mean you know, like I said, this is why
there's a big tear break between him and pray There.
For me is that pray There doesn't have the athleticism
at his size and Pat Bryant doesn't have the speed.
But seventy five percent out on the vert seventy percent
in the broad he plays way bigger than his size
to sixty nine percent catch rate and contested.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Catch rate in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Incredible body control and getting leveraged and contested situations making
an adjustment to a ball throw behind him or ahead
of him. The vert comes in handy when he can
go and high point the ball in one on ones
with those corners and great hand fighting when the ball
is in the air, and finishes every catch like de
bro mentioned, with punishing hits and stiff arms and trying

(50:07):
to get all the yact that he possibly cannot.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Love the motor on this kid.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Now for a big guy, he can't get jammed at
the line against a big, physical dB, so he needs
to get a little stronger. But I don't think adding
weight under this frame is gonna mess with his game
at all, because he's not a speed guy anyway. So
let's add some muscle. I think he can become more
dominant there. He doesn't have the speed to separate or
make up ground when he gets jammed, so that is

(50:32):
an issue.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
And he does take a second to get.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Going full speed, so the speed is usually that's the
thing that people are gonna knock on him. But I
think he's a contested catch perimeter machine. I think the
ceiling may be capped because of the long speed, but
the big players are there, and I think if he
can play immediately, if he goes to somewhere that is
in desperate need of a wide out Tennessee, Vegas, the Giants, Carolina, Seattle,

(50:55):
New England, I think those are all good situations for
him right now. And he's a guy that turns the
fifty to fifty ball into a seventy thirty ball, as
expressed by his seventy percent contested rate last season. So
I'm pretty excited about Pat Bryant. I think if he
ends up in a situation where he can start, I

(51:16):
think he could become a great wide receiver in the league.
But there is some Cedric Tillman to him as well,
where he's got the size he can go get the ball,
but I don't know if it's enough to get him
on the field immediately.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Round four, round five guy probably is how we were
thinking draft capital wise.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Yeah, I think round four for him, and.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I think probably top round five. But say, I mean,
we're we're in a similar range here with splitting hers.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Let's go ahead and round out the program with Tennessee's
Dante Thornton Junior and talk about a big play waiting
to happen. This guy was fourth among Valls wide receivers
interceptions this past year, only had twenty six of them,
but he led the team in receiving yards with six
hundred and sixty one. I mean he was good for
the nation's best twenty five point four yards per reception.

(52:01):
His speed on full display at the combine as well.
He was clocked out of four to three flat forty times,
second among wide receivers. And he's also not your traditional
speedzer either, this guy six foot five, five pounds Bogs.
Do we maybe have something here with Thornton at wide
receiver twenty I don't think so, I mean maybe cool.

(52:22):
I like him more than you do, Bob when I.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Think he's a one trick pony, and I got fooled
on this Jalen Hyatt thing out of the Kannasy offense
as well. So look, size and speed are there. He
has him in bunches and that those are hard to teach.
He's gonna get drafted higher than he probably should.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
He's a home run hitter.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Only twenty six catches senior year, thirty nine catches the
previous three seasons, but obviously averaged twenty five point five
yards per catch last year and twenty one point nine
per catch over his Glegia career. That's incredible, yes, but
I think in terms of fantasy, right, this is a
one trick pony. This is your MVS right, probably better hands,

(53:01):
but that's what he is. He struggles to be consistent
to get separation and that's not going to get easier
at the NFL level. So I think Deontay Thornton might
be like Taekwon Thornton a little bit, right, an incredible
I mean, look, there's different ways for these guys to go.
I think MVS would be a great outcome for Thornton here, right,

(53:23):
you know a guy that can stretch the field, he
makes big plays, but what is that in fantasy? That's
like a bench wide receiver, right, So I think people
see the size, they see the speed, and they go, well,
he's got to be a Day two pick. I don't
think he's gonna land in there. I think he's a
fifth round pick, sixth round pick somewhere like that. And
he's just very unrefined. He's very raw. So there's a

(53:45):
lot to build on with the size and speed. I
just don't know if he can get there.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
What are your thoughts, Steve bro.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
So I like him. Now my ranking is not going
to reflect that I really really like this player, But
he's wide receiver nineteen for me, like Dante Thornton. And
let me contextualize and frame this properly. I know what
I'm getting out of Dante Thornton. When I'm asking out
of Dante Thornton is be exactly who you are. I

(54:11):
don't want you to be anybody else because you're big,
and you're freaking fast, and you run away from people.
So like the team that and I tweeted this out already,
I want him to be and I think he's a
fantastic fit. Go let him be a Seattle Seahawk. Put
him in Clint Kobiac's offense. Can he be a bigger
bodied Rashid Jaheed and let him stretch the field? And

(54:32):
the other thing about it is this dude is a
dog when you see him. Also, like he blocks his
ass off for running plays like it's it's one hundred
and ten percent effort every freaking snap. And I think
you're looking at the role that he will play in
the NFL. I agree with everything that Bogman laid out

(54:53):
in the sense that he will be a field stretcher.
I do not think he will be a high volume guy.
But if you were an NFL team and you were
looking for somebody, and I agree, I think he probably
goes in Round five of the NFL draft if you're
a team that needs a field stretcher, a dude that
can whether we're talking about winding up and tossing bombs
down the freaking field or just running clear outs and

(55:14):
creating space for guys underneath. Give me Dante Thornton Junior
to Seattle, Give me Deantay Thornton Junior to the Raiders
late in the draft.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Wherever Russell Wilson gets from.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Seriously for him, dude, Lake, I know what I'm getting
out of this player, and in the role that he
is going to play, that's my exact comp He is MBS,
but he's bigger and he's stronger than NBS. So I
know what I'm getting out of this player, archetype, and
I think that he is going to find a home

(55:47):
and we're going to talk about him in the NFL. Now,
is his production going to be consistent?

Speaker 1 (55:53):
No?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
But does he have the ability to do the Shaheed
and the NBS things and catch two balls for eighty
and a touchdown. Yes, he absolutely does. So again, I
know what I'm getting out of him, so I don't
have any illusions like, Okay, I'm not saying that Deanontaey
Thornton is going to turn into some high volume receiver

(56:15):
that but if you're talking about like in this same archetype,
like in a player where I think if you get
him moving linearly, whether that's on go routes, deep overs hell,
put the ball in his hands and get him on
jet sweeps, we know he can run away from people.
Like why am I going to draft if I'm an
NFL general manager and I understand all the other wildcat

(56:39):
craziness and who knows how much of that crosses over
to the NFL. But for me, in the way that
you can utilize his skill set, why draft to saveon
Williams in round three when I can go get a
Deontae Thornton junior and freaking round five?

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Poleheartedly agree with that.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Yes, I would much rather have a fifth round Thornton
than the third round Savion Williams for sure.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yes, I feel like MVS is that rash that never
goes away, like it just slowly pops back up here
and there, I mean down the stretch. If you're betting
any time touchdowns on this guy, you you're making a
profit because he kept doing it for the Saints when
they had nobody out there.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
So Seth, you should get that look at man.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, yeah, I might.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
I might.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
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