The Best of the Fest: Sleepers, Busts, Breakouts & Rankings From Fantasy Football's Top Analysts (Ep. 1327)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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But without further ado, let's kick things off with the
best of the fest and here are some conversations we
had about best draft values with the Athletics Jake Seely. Gentlemen,
let's get right into it and let's talk about the topic.
Because we love a good draft value. I know Jake
Seely does because I've been out enough times to lunches
and dinners with Jake where he is looking for whatever

(01:28):
is on this special whatever somehow is maybe I don't know,
five dollars cheap or whatever it is. Jake, you love
a good value.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I know that you do.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Don't pretend like you don't. So, Jake, I want to
start with you here. Welcome to the program, and let's
jump right in. Give me a guy that you think
is going to be a value for all those folks
playing fantasy football in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I'm going to start with the quarterback, and I'm going
to start with the quarterback, which my question to you
is going to be.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
If you like Anthony Richardson, why.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Don't you like Jane and Daniels because my projections, maybe
you disagree and you want to go take them and
say you're dumb. Jake, I'm going to change them. But
I have more passing touchdowns for Jaydon Daniels than I
do Anthony Richardson. I have similar rushing upside. This is
somebody who has, if they want, the lazy comparison that
a lot of people have made is justin fields, which
I don't think is fair because I think you have

(02:17):
a better decision maker, a better deep ball, a player
that people don't realize. Oh why are we talking about
those two wide receivers. Oh maybe it's because Jadon Daniels
was playing quarterback throwing those touchdowns to them all season long.
And you want Tery McLaurin to get back inside the
top twenty. Jaydon Daniels can do it, but more so
Jadon Daniels being QB thirteen outside the top one hundred
picks is absurd to me because Anthony Richardson, that gap

(02:41):
should be a hell.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Of a lot smaller than it is.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Oh, my goodness, a hell of a lot. Look at
you already very sassy. Just to start the show off,
I have one of those folks that the athletic could
hear you right now, So, de bro, Jayden Daniels one
of your favorite guys, I know, one of mine to you,
and Jake brings up a great point, which is, if
you love Richardson and you don't want to pay the cost,
there's Jaden Daniels sitting there towards the end of drafts.

(03:04):
Maybe you have to be a little bit more aggressive around,
maybe too earlier, depending on the folks you're playing in
leagues with. But let's not pretend like the upside for
Jayden Daniels isn't as much because Richardson and Daniels are
both effectively basically rookies in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, I mean, look, anybody that's been listening to Fantasy
preshow knows that I love Jane Daniels right now. He's
my QB nine And to your point, Jake and Joe,
I have him at seventy sixth overall. So look, I'm
not telling people that they have to draft him that high.
But the thing is, I want you above consensus on
Jane Daniels, all in on everything Jake said, the rushing

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upside is there, and the other thing we always come
back to is volume is king. Well, guess what that
also trickles over to play volume, and we know we're
gonna get that with Cliff Kingsbury. So I agree also
that any comparisons to Justin Fields is not giving Jade
Daniels near enough credit as a passer. My comp throughout

(04:02):
the entire prospect season was Randall Cunningham, and I sit
by that still.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I haven't been this excited to draft commanders possibly ever
that I have been this season.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
And the next guy I want to talk about is
another commander, one of Debro's favorites. If you've watched any
mock draft show this entire offseason, it's been a fight
between myself and Derek Brown to get the running back
we're going to talk about. Brian Robinson Junior. A good
career at Alabama, probably one that doesn't get enough credit.
Perhaps too because it was such a big time offense
with all these stars around it. Robinson was just like, oh, yeah,

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he's really good and he's steady, and then clearly has
proven that he's a very tough kid and now he's
in a situation with dan Quinn Debro where you think
this could be the real breakout for him, despite the
fact that Austin Ecklers now coming to town. I think
that's where people struggle. So why is Robinson the guy
for you and not Eckler.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, let's keep it one hundred here, Joe. When we
were all doing our flex leave drafts and I te
you immediately when you sniped him from me, I told
you then, and I'll tell you here. I wanted to
drop kick you. I was like, come on, man, this
is ridiculous. But yes, I won him in every single
league I could possibly get him in. And we've seen
this play out already. I'm old enough to remember when

(05:16):
Kenyon Drake smashed and James Connor smash in the same
offensive system. And we can go back and everybody talking
about Austin Eckler. Look, Anthony Lynn is the UR running
backs coach and run game coordinator. And we've seen previously.
If you're high on allstack or you really shouldn't be.
Because he never got the goal line work, he never
got the red zone work. I think all of that

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goes to Brian Robinson in this offense, and people are
still not giving him enough credit. He was the RB
twenty two and Fantasy points per game last season, and
yet everything is improved around him and people are still
ranking him as an RB three. I'm not with it.
He's inside my top twenty four running backs.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
I could read some of the other text messages from
that draft, but I think it'll get us booted.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
We might get booted from YouTube.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, it might not be the best look for us,
But that's why you go to this court fantasy brows
dot com s last chat. I can post it there.
It's like, you know, by where the cool kids hanging
out in the community. Maybe we'll do a whole fun
bid there, Jake, when it comes to the commander's backfield,
is it Robinson, is it Eckler or is a stay away?
Because frankly, there's two guys, and sometimes when there's two
guys in fantasy, that means there probably might not be

(06:21):
any that you feel comfortable about.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I'm taking an option D where it's both because I
think Bryan Robinson, I conservatively have projections that have him
as RB twenty four, and I feel like those are
conservative because what I'm giving Jenson Daniels in the run game,
but I think Austin Eckler is going to be used
plenty enough in the passing game. The concern I would
have is that Austin Eckler doesn't run the ball more
than around one hundred times, But that's why I also

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like Brian Robinson. I think Eckler probably is more of
an RB three these days, in kind of the old
Antonio Gibson role. But I'm with Debra on Brian Robinson
the fact that I think RB twenty four could arguably
be low because he's better in the passing game than
people realize, and I think that got over so it
really comes down to how much does Daniels dump off
to the running backs, which could cap Robinson. But I

(07:06):
do believe I'm with him in the fact that he's
a solid RB two.

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get back to some of the names on the list here.

(08:15):
We'll go back to you, Jakie for another guy that
you think could be undervalued, And this is what I
agree with. In your flex draft, I drafted Rico Dowdell.
Give me the younger running back on the big offense
of the Cowboys. And I think even over time. Once again,
you don't care about September.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Neither do I.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
It looks moddy in September. He would be one of
the big trade targets for me because I'm concerned about
Zeke lasting. But Rico Dowdle's a target for you. Let's
talk about why.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
A lot of what you just said does Zeke last?
Does Zeke have anything left? There's questions last year, of course,
a much worse offense, worst offensive line, anything you could
throw out there. But does he come back and even
produce RB two numbers? I'm hesitant on that. And if
you want to take Daddle in his own right, how
about the fact that Dowdell on nearly every not just
one or two, nearly every metric was better than Tony

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Pollard on this Cowboys team last year, including running the
ball in at the damn goal line, by the way.
So why not take a chance on Rico Dwell for
we were always trying to find that late round running
back who potentially takes over the lead roller surprises people.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
He's running back.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Forty four, he's outside the top eleven rounds in drafts,
if you want to just take a freebie on somebody
that could work out.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Rico'dowell is the name Ricodoudel for Jake Seely, let's go
to you, Debro with possibly my favorite drafting value. A
guy that has four straight years one thousand yards receiving
and this year his Vegas number is eight eighty and
a half. It's absurd. It's Terry McLaurin again, all the commanders.
I can't believe this is where I'm at in twenty

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twenty four. But I'm loving life and Terry mclaurin's guy
I'm drafting everywhere. In fact, I did. I also took
him in that same draft where Debro was texting me,
let's just say inappropriate things. He was very mad at
me again for taking Terry McLaurin. But Debro, this is
just so easy to me. I'm looking at Terry McLaurin
and I'm saying, this is a guy who's finally getting
a chance to play with greatness potentially a quarterback, and

(10:09):
I'll take that every day of the week, because the
floor so far with all the other guys that he's
played with, has already been pretty steady.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
As it was. I agree with everything you say to Joe.
I love it man, and I love Terry McLaurin this year,
and I just yes, we have gone very very commander
centric so far on this show, but there's reasons for it.
It's because this offense is so undervalued. None of these
guys who are expensive, like we've heard the coaching staff

(10:36):
talk about, they don't know who the wide receiver two
and this offense is. We definitively know who the wide
receiver one in this offense is. And if we're high
on Jane Daniels, we need to give respect to Terry McLaurin.
So again, a player that I have a consensus has
as a wide receiver three, he's inside my top twenty
four wide receivers. And all you have to do is
look to the last two seasons and the path is

(10:58):
easy to see. Last year, based upon his volume, he
was the wide receiver twenty one and expected Fantasy points
per game. And you go back not last year, but
the year before he was top twenty in both yards
per route run and first downs per route run. So
if we get good quarterback play and we're talking well
about Jayden Daniels here We think he's going to be
good out the gate. Terry McLaurin is going to crush.

(11:20):
He's one of the best wide receivers you can draft
this year.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Now, speaking of wide receiver, I'll just go ahead, Jacob.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
I want to agree because Richardson, Daniels, Pittman, McLaurin, Finkel,
is Ihorn. That's all I want to say.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yes is Einhorn also Finkle in that scenario.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yes, I was gonna say that.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Just want to make sure, well I beat you to it.
Great stuff there is always from Jake Seally. We also
got to sit down with the scores Justin Boone, one
of my favorite analysts in the industry, and we talked
about some RB threes who have the upside to be
RB ones. Debro and Boone had some great answers on
this question. So enjoy this segment on running backs and
the best of the fest.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
Boon.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Let's talk about some of your guys here, and let's
start with one from your board that you are believing in.
It's Tajy Spears. Now, Deebro has been telling me follow
the money in Tony Pollard, but you have a different
take on this Titans backfield. Let's talk about it.

Speaker 8 (12:11):
Well, I thought everybody loved Tajy Spears. I didn't even
think it was going to be like a difficult case
to make here. And it's not that I dislike Tony Pollard.
It's just that both guys are going in a range
where there's almost no risk in taking them, and in
Scott Fishbol I took them both. Just let's see what happens, right,
I'll take both those shots in like the eighth, ninth round,
depending where you can get them. Spears to me, last

(12:33):
year he shows up one of the biggest things I'm
looking for, like this time of year, preseason, a rookie arrives,
does he look like he belongs? Does he look like
he can actually be a playmaker? And Taji Spears showed
up last year and immediately looked like that plays next
to a future Hall of Famer. And Derrick Henry has
eight hundred and thirty eight yards from scrimmage, has fifty

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two receptions, three touchdowns, and does that next to Henry.
Now they bring in Pollard, and let's face Tony Pollard,
his best days came when he was in a committee.
I think the Titans know that because all offseason long.
They've been talking about these two guys being interchangeable. They're
gonna use them both. They've suggested that it's even potentially
going to be a hot hand scenario. I like my

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odds with Taja Spears in that there will be weeks
where both guys could potentially deliver. But I really like
spears chances based on what we've seen so far with
him coming through for you this year and giving you
RB three flex numbers and potentially these like spiked weeks.
And then of course, if something happens to Pollard and
Pollard has been banged up in the past, then boom

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Spears goes off and that's probably the easiest scenario for
him to reach RB one numbers. But you also look
at this Titans offense. I don't think people are talking
about it enough. Like the changes that they've made. You
have Brian Callahan come over from Cincinnati. He brings his
you know, his dad, who's one of the best offensive
line coaches in the league. They keep investing in this
offensive line in the draft and free agency.

Speaker 9 (13:57):
This Titan's offens gonna be.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
A lot different this year.

Speaker 8 (13:59):
They're gonna throw a lot more, And like I mentioned
Spears last year very involved in the passing game, so
I think there's a lot of ways that he could
pay off, and the fact that he's going so cheap
right now, there's just no risk at all in taking him.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Question for you because you mentioned you took the entire backfield.
Is the Titans backfield the highest one on your trough
in terms of yeah, if I'm going to invest in
one and try to play it out, the style in
which they might play. You mentioned potential injury to one
would mean a huge workload for somebody else there just
one of them, is that like the biggest one that
you would circle, or there are a few other of

(14:33):
those backfield tandems that you think have value to actually
draft the entire backfield besides Tennessee, there are a few.

Speaker 8 (14:39):
I mean, I'd be willing to do that with the
Bengals as well, but Tennessee is certainly top of that
list for me.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
All Right, Debro, I want to talk to you about
Spears for a second because you've been a big Tony
Pollard supporter, which makes sense in effect of when you
follow the money, you know, typically that's where guys are going,
at least the early consensus is somebody who gets paid
is probably going to get the football more often than not.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
But I kind of.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Agree with Boone to a certain extent too. Like Spears
was the guy that kind of popped for me last year.
I thought he was the reason why they let Derrick
Henry go. I was surprised about the twenty Powared edition.
How do you think this backfield shakes out? And do
you see Spears as a value of you know, a
guy who could jump from an RB three and when
RB one in Tennessee this year in fantasy?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, I mean to be honest, I love both these guys.
I want to be at consensus or above them, both
of them. And this just comes down to talent guys.
And like the reason I have Pollard above Spears right
now is because I think if we're kind of parsing
through who is more likely to get the red zone work,
I kind of lean pollered. But if you were to
tell me at the end, if we flipped over the
cards the end of the year and said Spears crushed

(15:45):
and he was the lead back and it wasn't powered
in this offense, I wouldn't be surprised at all. So
I really want to take shots on both of these guys,
and really, if one of these guys goes down, I
think it's going to be basically a straight up committee,
Like I think they're going to be used interchange. But
if one of these guys goes down, that's where we're
talking about. One of them, including Taj Spears, could be

(16:07):
an easy RB one because we just saw this last year. Man,
Like you want to talk about efficiency, you want to
talk about split backfields? Like can we not also say that?
And I know this very very different offensive environment, so
I'm not gonna label it as being exactly the same.
But isn't Taj Spears kind of an arbitrage playoff of
Devon ah Chan, Like they're not different players, They're immensely

(16:30):
efficient and we just want to talk about okay, but
then if Tennessee outpaces our expectations as far as being
a good offense, then this is not a crazy take.
I'll say too.

Speaker 8 (16:42):
I think when Spears came out, there was like talk
about you know, the lack of an ACL and all
that stuff and oh my god, like the medical concerns,
and I think that talks more about his longevity in
the NFL. I think that could come into play a
few years down the road and maybe short in his career,
but right now, if we're just looking at twenty two
twenty four, I'm not really concerned about that. So I

(17:02):
think if the public perception is factoring that in, that
could also be involved in this.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Every single fantasy football season, there ends up being some
bust players, and it's important to identify who has the
greatest potential to bust. And to help us do that
was Casey Hudson from sports Grid TV. So here are
some busts between her and Andrew Erickson that you should
be avoiding in your fantasy football drafts. Casey, One of
the guys that you're also circling is somebody who could

(17:28):
be a potential bus is another Dallas Cowboy tight end,
Jake Ferguson. So let's talk about Ferguson because he was
kind of one of those pleasant surprises at tight end
in a year that had a lot of really nice
surprises at the position. To fantasy people were terrified about.
Tight end turned out to be not so bad as
things typically do, which means probably this year will be
the inverse. Right, we love tight end, and now it's
gonna all go to pot But let's talk about Ferguson.

(17:50):
Why should people be potentially concerned about him not living
up to his potential in.

Speaker 10 (17:54):
Twenty four I'll preferences by saying I still have love
for the tight ends, but yeah, this guy should likely
hit a bit of a decline and I think Andrew
kind of set it up perfectly depending on what takes
place with Dak Prescott. And another trend or pattern that
comes over the years is when there's question marks at
the offensive line, there's question marks at the distribution of
the ball. That's where Ferguson comes in. For me, they

(18:16):
might need his hand in the dirt a little bit
more of this upcoming season to help things out. You
have Ezekiel Elliott is going to want to get back
up there in the yardage. And not to mention is
that the question marks a wide receiver. Their ground game
is going to have to be a little bit more
reliable and a lot more consistent. Rock Hoffmann on under center,
what is that going to look like in the upcoming season.
Ferguson's a physical guy, even though he's really done well

(18:37):
with his routes, and people were surprised by this it's
his physicality and his blocking abilities that kind of got
him up the rankings at University of Wisconsin. So if
you haven't realized how much I nerd out about tight ends,
I know, or at least I want to say that
I know when a tight end is going to need
to be more hand of the dirt versus you know,
going out for those routes, in those passes. And again,
another guy with something to prove, Dak Prescott has a

(18:59):
lot on the line right now while he's trying to
figure out money and if it's even worth staying in Dallas.
I think at this point it's time for him to
put his sites elsewhere. But all of that conundrum behind
an offensive line that has question marks in a wide
receiving core that God knows what's going to happen, Ferguson's
got to help out. So that's why I see his
yardage kind of coming back a little bit, his red
zone play coming hunding back a little bit, because he's

(19:20):
got to help out, all.

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Can't get enough of it. All right, Let's get to
your next pick here, Casey, Isaiah Pacheco is the guy
on your list. And this is an interesting one because
this is a player in the fantasy football community. I've
seen a lot of analysts who will love him this

(20:50):
year and a lot of analysts that are fading him
this year. If Patrick Mahomes comes back into the five
thousand yard passing realm, which is something the previous two
seasons befo last year, is the baco is true? What
does that mean for Isaiah Pacheco's potential in twenty twenty four?
Why would it take a hit?

Speaker 10 (21:08):
Well, we already know that I have hard feelings when
it comes to the Chiefs. But putting my feelings aside,
you've got Xavier Worthy coming into the mix here, and
the first thing that stood out with me in terms
of Patrick Mahomes, the backyard football style the Chiefs can play,
and his ability to make plays happen. It's going to
be the fact that Xavier Worthy's coming in at five

(21:30):
eleven one seventy two and having a solid camp and
you're seeing a lot of spark out of Patrick Mahomes
wanting to make connections with this guy. Well, that reminds
me of Tyreek Hill five ten, one hundred and eighty
to ninety poundsh He's going to kind of get that
that fun spark in a receiver back. Not to mention
is that Xavier Worthy is faster coming out of his
forty time was like four point two one where he

(21:52):
was about five seven seconds less than Tyree Kill. So
that was the first thing that I saw. The next
thing that I saw is that the Chiefs are going
to be going up against a few more teams that
have a better run stop defense. So it's going to
be a little bit more problematic for Checko to make
things happen. And then to your argument up between us
on sports Guard the other day, if Travis Kelce is
healthy and his ankles feel good and he's all buttered

(22:14):
up this season, then it's going to be a bigger
season for him too, So you just got a lot
more supporting, supporting roles, sporting characters coming into the mix
with this Chiefs offense, and Pachecko was heavily relied on
because there was a lot of spotty moments for the
Chiefs last year. So while he can still be helpful,
I just think that between some of these matchups, I mean,
Falcons added to their defense, it's not going to be

(22:35):
an easy feat for the Chiefs when it comes to
the run game. And then you've got these other targets
in the wide receiver room. You've got guys who still
have to fight for their job, and you've got Patrick
Mahomes who changes his mind in the blink of an eye.
And with a Travis Kelsey that's healthy. That's where the
connection goes too. So I just think the production mode's
going to change.

Speaker 11 (22:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I struggle with Pacheco because I really like the player.
I love the individual. He's a local kid here, not
far from me in New Jersey. But you have the
upside of the on H Chan right after him, and
then the steadiness of Rashad White after him as well.
And I look at those two picks and I just
kind of say, do I really want to go for
running back in such a typically pass heavy offense? And
last year was a bit of an anomaly for Patrick

(23:13):
Mahomes because of so many failures, epic failures at that
from some of those guys in the wide receiver corps.
Back to you, Andrew Erickson, Let's talk about another wide
receiver on your list, and his name is Nico Collins. Now,
this is a guy I'm drafting everywhere, so we're going
to fight about this one. I feel like because I
think he's the clear number one tank. Dell has fund

(23:35):
Stefon Diggs is older and already a problem child. That
seems like I got no issue with Nico Collins at
wide receiver fourteen, especially considering last year he finishes a
wide receiver one.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
So why am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (23:46):
In you're right, I think that's the end of the day.
That's the conversation to have.

Speaker 12 (23:50):
I think that you're potentially overconfident of looking at him
as the number one wide receiver on this team.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
He played who is I.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
Don't know exactly.

Speaker 12 (24:00):
I'm not exactly sure, but that's why there's bus potential
here with Nico Collins, because I can't comply say who's
gonna be the number one leader in targets, Who's gonna
leave the team in touchdowns?

Speaker 6 (24:09):
I don't know. I don't know who's going to be.

Speaker 12 (24:10):
And when I look at the prices of Toe Fond,
Diggs and Tank Dell, they cost so much less.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
I'm taking on less rick.

Speaker 12 (24:15):
If Nico Collins has to be the number one to
pay off, those other guys don't have to be the
number ones to pay off where they're going in drafts.
So looking at last year, Nico Collins, a lot of
his production was boosted when there was nobody else to
throw the ball to him, and Tank Dell put up
near the identical production where they were both healthy on
the field, Tank Dell out gained him in yards over
the last four games that they played together. Nico Collins

(24:38):
had a year three breakout. Tank Dell had a rookie
breakout his first year in the NFL. It took us
three years to get here with Nico Collins. Yes, the
quarterback play, I understand that, but it still matters that
he was able to do so much of his production
with all those other guys not necessarily part of the
picture here. So for me, that's my concern. Where you
draft him in round two, you expect him to be

(24:58):
the number one would have Week one comes along, and
then he doesn't leave the team in targets. Now they
are playing the Colts week one, so we probably will
have a big Week one.

Speaker 13 (25:05):
So maybe after week two, maybe after week week one,
Week one I will be coming on the show with
the clown mask most likely, but after week one, I'm
thinking that this isn't going to necessarily be a target
of concentration around Nico Collins.

Speaker 12 (25:22):
And in one of the things I looked at last year,
again looking at wide receiver busts, players that perform well
above expectation in terms of expected Fantasy points per game,
Collins was wide receiver twenty one expect the fantasy points
per game and he only Deebo Samuel had more fantasy
points expected than Nico Collins did last year. So I
think he played well above what he was expected based

(25:42):
on his role. And given that now he's bending off
targets between two guys I'm really excited about with Digs
and Tank Dell in this offense. Those are the reasons
I'm just pushing the brakes. I understand the upside case
with Nico Collins, But with every upside case there is
also a downside case that you know, most people just
don't like talk about.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
It's not good radio.

Speaker 12 (25:58):
We want to talk about good things about players and
not necessarily bad things.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Well, I mean this is more than just radio.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
This is the Fantasy pros livestream. Hello, this is a
big deal here. I'm gonna go put my faith in
the efficiency of Nico Collins that you're trashing him for
a little bit, a little bit. Eighty receptions on one
hundred and nine targets, eight touchdowns, twelve hundred ninety seven
yards finishes wide receiver nine last year, a top ten guy,
and you're gonnaive him to you at fourteen. Look, even

(26:24):
if it does get a little moddy sometimes with the Texans,
I still think, more often than not, Nico's the guy
that I want, And I want to fight about this
next guy with you too, because this might be my
favorite guy at the turn. I always take Marvin Harris
at junior. I keep coming back to the same thing
of if you look at the last few years, you've
seen the league make a huge pivot. Number four all

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time rookie receivers Justin Jefferson at twenty twenty fourteen hundred yards,
the year after that, Jamar Chase fourteen to fifty five
just in twenty twenty one, and then last year twenty
twenty three, the all time record holder Hohoka Nakua at
fourteen eighty six. It's a wide receiver world and the
rookies are dominating it and Marvin Harrison at zero competition,
and you're telling me not to draft him. Why Andrew, Why.

Speaker 12 (27:06):
Because some of those guys that you just talked about
were fringe first round picks that.

Speaker 6 (27:09):
Had you had to draft.

Speaker 12 (27:10):
Part of the allure and why we want to draft
rookie receivers doesn't have to do with their end of
season production, has to do with where you drafted them.
It matters the fact that all those rookies were so
much cheaper than Marvin Harrison. That's that's point of buying
into rookies. That's why we like them because they're discounted.
But for some reason, Marvin Harrison Junior is not discounted
at all whatsoever. Even in the most homiest home leagues.

(27:33):
He's still going in the fringe first round. So again,
going back to wide receiver, busts systematically, what are they projections?
Marvin Harrison Junior is a projection, and you may be right,
But why do I want to put all my faith
into a projection with my first round pick, second round pick,
when I could draft proven production at other positions or
at the wide receiver position. Or if if I have

(27:54):
to have some part of Marvin Harrison, why don't I
just draft Kyler Murray in like round nine as my
quarterback and then I can benefit from all of Marvin
Harrison that you love to talk about. But then I
take on none of the risk. I get zero risk
if maybe he's a better real life receiver for his
rookie year than a fantasy wide receiver. Because I'm not
denying the talent of Marvin Harrison, but I just think
that it's a bad value play, honestly, Like, I just

(28:17):
think he's a bad value where you have to draft him.
It kind of sucks honestly that we're projecting him so highly.
And yeah, so for those who were projecting.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Him so highly, because we've seen what happens with these
slam dunk, big time wide receivers when they come in league. Now,
Pooka was not that guy. But Jefferson and Chase war
and that has been obviously where the league is trending.
So Casey, you'd be the tiebreaker here. Marvin Harrison Junior?
Am I too much in love with the situation here
with this terrible defense where they're gonna be playing from
behind a million times, And I don't see anybody besides

(28:46):
Tree McBride competing with him for targets, and I think
fourteen hundred yards is in his range of outcomes. What
do you think about Harrison? Is he a bust or
is he a draft despite the high ADP for you.

Speaker 10 (28:58):
I'm taking him as a draft only because a the
lack of targets that they have. But be the way
that Murray can be injury prone sometimes say that somebody
else has to get a tap on the shoulder. Here
you're going to go to your one of one or
one of two ish targets and then rallying from behind.
Like you said, it tends to be the DNA of

(29:18):
the Cardinals right now. Like I just think that this
guy's gonna end up getting hit with a lot of
targets regardless, He's either going to be the one guy
to go to to help outside of McBride or he's
going to be the one guy that they just continue
to figure things out.

Speaker 9 (29:29):
With along the way.

Speaker 10 (29:30):
So I think he's in a perfect position with not
much competition to get those reps in.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
All right, let's go to another big time wide receiver.
I just mentioned Justin Jefferson. Now, all of a sudden,
his twenty twenty four looks a little bit different now
that the savior JJ McCarthy is not going to be
around for this season. Sam Darnold stuck all year with
Justin Jefferson. Now I've seen him go already. Somebody message
me they said they got him at the turn yesterday

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at twelve. So the value is falling here. The consensus
ADP is wide receiver three, wide receiver five. When that range,
that is not what's happening in the draft streets right now.
So Casey as a top five pick.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Is he a bust?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
And is a top as a pick at twelve at
the turn? Is he of value at this stage?

Speaker 10 (30:20):
I think more valuable probably at the twelve, just because
it's not like he's not going to be productive. He's
that guy I think you mentioned earlier. Somebody mentioned earlier
here on the show, how the inconsistent production between Addison,
They're still going to get him rotated in. We've seen
what Justin Jefferson can do down the stretch, but it's
it's the Sam Donald effect here.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
For me.

Speaker 10 (30:40):
You're coming behind a shakyo line for the Vikings. Now,
they've got a lot of rebuild going on within their
organization and a guy coming in barely, barely hitting a
sixty percent completion rate. And so while we've seen some
flattering moments out of Donald, maybe back when he's with
the Jets for a hot second, then sure, but I
don't think we're going to get that quarterback, and I
think it's going to end up screwing with Justin Jefferson.

(31:01):
And plus, think about where he got a lot of
his massive yardage from those deep balls that he was
able to connect on, and that's not something that I
see him in Sam Donald being able to do consistently.
So I think the yardage is going to drop off.
I think that he's going to have to try to
look around a little bit. I think that they also
want to get Addison more involved also, So I just
don't think that this season is set up for the
success of Jefferson as a top five receiver. I think

(31:22):
there is a little bit more value at twelve just
because again he is going to be a key part here.
It just depends on what takes place with his quarterback.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Eric and I want to get your take here because
the stock is falling fast. Again, you get Justin Jefferson
at twelve, I'm still going to take him at twelve
every single time. I'm just going to do it. Casey
makes a lot of good points for that too. But
as wide receiver three or the fifth overall player, which
is kind of that conversation where he was being drafted
just a few weeks ago. What's your opinion of Jefferson
right now? Is he a guy that you've got to

(31:51):
get the discount or you guy who's taking Justin Jefferson
regardless of where he is available for.

Speaker 12 (31:56):
You now, I think you got to get the discount.
I think that he is discounted rightfully. So because of
the quarterback concerns, I don't really find I'm not like
actively fading Justin Jefferson, Like I don't go out on
a draft like I'm not taking this guy. But I
usually find myself not really ending up with him because
I've talked about Breese Hall I liked, so he just
goes in the same areas Jefferson. I like Chase more

(32:17):
than Justin Jefferson, So naturally, I haven't found myself drafting
while Jefferson. But if I was picking, you know, at
the turn, which I usually don't like picking, if Justin
Jefferson was there, I would That's who I would be
definitely taking. I wouldn't even think twice about it, compared
to some of these other second round wide receivers who
sometimes going around one depending on how you feel about
a player like Jefferson. But for me, look, the Jji
McCarthy injury maybe hurts his an upside case with Jefferson

(32:42):
because maybe he could have come in had a Stroud
type season. Not very likely, but there was always that
chance that McCarthy could offer somebody Donald didn't. But the
thing for me is, Jefferson knows whose quarterback is the
rest of the way seventeen game seasons is gonna be
Sam Dnoald, Like there's no oh, we got to switch reps.
Who's taking reps with the ones? It's Jefferson, it's Donald,
Like that's his ride or die. So I think that
works from a standpoint of Darnald's playing for a contract

(33:04):
year here. So if Darnold really wants to show other
teams that he can deliver and be a quarterback at
the NFL level, he knows I need to target just
Jefferson two hundred times because that's my best chance of
putting up the best members and the best statine at
the end of the year so I can get a
job in the NFL as a starter A la Gino Smith,
a LA Baker Mayfield. We've seen this with a bunch
of retread quarterbacks, So I think Jefferson is going to

(33:25):
be his guy. And it may be ugly at sometimes,
but twenty targets in a game, it'll get you something.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
It may be ugly lots of times. It is Sam Darnald,
and perhaps come October he'll start seeing those ghosts again.
It is Halloween season. One of the best in the business.
Jamie Eisenberg from CBS sat down to talk about bounce
back wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Here are some clips from that.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Discussion that can help you get back on track with
some of the names that may be disappointed last season
but could really help you in twenty twenty four. There
are a lot of big names on the list here
to talk about, and we're gonna start with one of
the bigger ones here. It's Cooper Cup because this is
that boomer bust guy.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
I know.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
I've been on with you at CBS a few times
and we've talked Jamie about Cooper Cup, and I keep saying,
for me, he's a guy that I feel really comfortable
with as a wide receiver three and that big wide
receiver build as a wide receiver two. I start to
panic a little bit and get a little concern. So
I know everything is always sunshine and rainbows at training camp,

(34:26):
but are you somebody that is buying into all the
positive buzz of Cooper Cup, who's currently being drafted around
wide receiver eighteen as a guy who can really bounce back,
play a full season and be an asset in twenty
twenty four.

Speaker 14 (34:39):
So you know, I'm generally apt to avoid guys at
this age, you know, and when they start to show
you some decline or fade or just an injury history,
you know, it's easy just to run away. But then
you just look at the situation and the fact that
he came back in better shape, and now the other
guy is banged up in Pukinakua who also has an
injury track record, and you know that this offense is

(35:01):
going to find ways to get him open. So I
think at the right price, he's worth buying into. You know,
if you're going to say Cooper Cup is going to
save my fantasy team or be the headliner of my
fantasy team like he was the last couple of seasons,
or certainly before the breakdown happened last year, then I
think you're making a huge mistake. If he is your
number three receiver, I think that's amazing now most likely
if he's going eighteenth overall, I think for us, you know,

(35:24):
and we're starting to see his adp on CBS start
to creep it to the twoth return, so you know,
twenty five to twenty six in that range. I'm okay
with it there. I'm not okay with him as a
round two picks. So if you if you start receiver receiver,
he's your third receiver, great, If he's your first receiver,
I'm a little bit icky with it. And the uh,

(35:45):
the longer that pookin the Coula remains out and clearly
you know you buy Sean mcvay's honesty because he's usually
you know, tried and true with that. So Nikuah should
be fine for Week one. But imagine as a world
where there is no Pooka Nakula and Cooper Cup is
back to being that guy again, you know, so could
still return some pretty good values. So it's just a
matter of I guess you know where you're drafting him,
how soon you're drafting him, and how much you want

(36:05):
to buy into a thirty one year wide seriver.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Andrew Rickson, you just turned thirty, so you understand the
plight of Cooper Cup. You're already in declined. I could
tell Andrew, let's talk about this, because there were even
moments last year where you saw the flashes of oh,
there's the Cooper Cup right. We had that gam where
he had seven catches for one eight touchdown against Arizona,
h one fifteen against Baltimore with a touchdown one eleven

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back to back weeks against Washington and then other incompletes,
and he did miss the first four weeks of the
season altogether, did not play Week eighteen. So being on
the field right availability is the best ability, everyone always says,
and Cooper Cup hasn't given you a lot of that
in the last few years. And frankly, you know, going
into the giant breakout, incredible season that he had a
few years ago where he broke fantasy, he had struggled

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at times as well with some of the help. So
where do you stand with Cooper Cup. Are you somebody
that's willing to take the risk or do you have
to quantify it in some way where it makes sense
for the roster that you're creating.

Speaker 6 (37:00):
I am one hundred percent out Cooper Cup.

Speaker 12 (37:03):
I should have included maybe on the bus that I
was talking about him earlier, but I just for me,
it's a point of I just don't think we're gonna
ever get the game same guy we had. I know
that they're saying he looks healthy, he's good to go.
This is what they always say about every single player
that's way past their prime. Like he's older, he showed
shines of decline. These are the things that are the
red flags that tell us to stay away. And like

(37:25):
Michael Thomas glowing reviews last year, Derek Carr, he looks
like the same old Michael Thomas, this is great, And
then what happened. He barely played like. I'm not saying
Cooper Cup is going to miss the entire season, but
just I just don't want to kept chasing Cooper Cup
and that season that happened now up three years ago.
Right even though he was productive in twenty twenty two
for half a year, I just have seen too much.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
For me.

Speaker 12 (37:48):
The milk doesn't unspoil like we've had the Cooper Cup.
And this is where I get concerned. The fact that
he is starting to go in round two that absolutely
terrifies me.

Speaker 6 (37:57):
Again, we talked.

Speaker 12 (37:58):
About Nego Collins, Marvin. I'm I'm taking those guys clearly
over Cooper Cup rather much. Have a ride those players.
But now you're starting to see him go in that
similar range. So for me, he's too expensive and there's
too much risk for him for me.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Let me give you the inverse because you said no, never,
not at all. What if you are in a draft
with a bunch of you know, people like you myself
who are kind of fading Cup a little bit, are
a little afraid if he went down to wide receiver
twenty five range, is that enough for you to buy in,
let's say, over a guy like Stefan Diggs or over
a guy like Zay Flowers. Is that where Cooper Cup

(38:32):
you might even test the waters or you're just saying Nope,
I'm out.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I've done.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
I've been hurt too many times and I can't love again.

Speaker 12 (38:38):
So I've been trying to move him up in the
rankings and based on the Pooka Nakua injury, and every
time I try to move ahead of another receiver, I'm
thinking to myself, I'd rather just have this other receiver instead.
And so that's that's the reality that I'm facing with
Cooper Cup. And again I understand the being on the
because if he is healthy, then I'm gonna leok pron
But what has he shown us on the field the
last two years that's going to suggest that he is

(38:58):
going to be healthy? And the old Cooper Cup, I
don't see it. These reports coming out of camp. This
is what they're supposed to say. This is they're always
going to say. So for me, I'm just shying away
those other receivers I like much more.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
All right, Jamie, I want to go to another guy
on your list here, t Higgins, another guy that I
keep drafting everywhere, and I'm getting him as a three
in a lot of drafts, and that to me is
just absurd. We were talking earlier in Fantasy Fest when
we had Jake seal On. We were talking about him
as a complete value as a guy in an offense

(39:29):
is going to be a throw first situation. He's being
drafted as wide receiver twenty eight. But the body of
work for healthy T Higgins with healthy Joe Burrow is
far greater than that. I mean, he was wide receiver
seventeen just in twenty twenty two where he had seventy
four catches seven touchdowns for ten twenty nine. So in
your opinion, why is T Higgins who did have some

(39:50):
contract issues, Well, nothing really got solved.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
He's back.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Why is he a guy you're betting on in twenty
twenty four to make a bounce back?

Speaker 14 (39:57):
Well, first off, the value is incredible, you know, so
you a guy that has huge bounce back potential. I
mean he should be the poster child for this subject,
you know, just in terms of what he has the
ability to do when healthy and you assume motivated. You know,
some people will come back and say, well, if he
has a minor injury or two, you know, will he
sit out because he's afraid of something ruining the potential
of a long term deal. He still has to prove

(40:19):
himself he's gonna get paid no matter what. But if
he wants to get the mega deal that these receivers
are getting and probably his teammates going to get, which
we hope, he's got to go out there and produce.
And so far in camp he looks fantastic. In the
preseason performance, at least the first game, he looked fantastic.
When he's on his game, he's one of the best
receivers in football, you know. And the best part about
it is he's a one beat And so we're dealing

(40:41):
with a with a pretty significant hold out situation with
Jamar Chase right now. And if you want to believe
Chad o Josenko, and we're gonna see, you know, maybe
Jamar Chase missed some time in the regular season. Well
that's the caveat that you get with t Higgins. If
Chase gets hurt. We saw it twenty twenty two, the
four games that he was out, Higgins becomes a top ten,
if not top five caliber fantasy opts. And so you're
getting a guy that's a wide receiver two at a

(41:02):
huge discount at wide receiver twenty eight if that's where
he's getting drafted, and then the potential is very similar
to Devonte Smith. Whenever one of the other guys on
the Eagles missus times, Devonte Smith just his numbers pop,
whether he mostly has been Dallas godded. But that's the
setup for Higgins right now. So his price tag's amazing.
The potential production on its own without anything changing is amazing,
And if there were to be a Jamar Chase injury,

(41:22):
he could be an absolute star. The flip side of
that is, we saw Joe Burrow miss time last year
and we had a couple of good Jake Browning games
with T. Higgins had a couple of good games with
Jake Browning. But that's not what you want to hope for.
You want to hope for Joe Burrow out there. One
hundred percent Jamar Chase if he has to miss the
game or two. T Higgins really pops. Even if Chase
is there, though, Higgins will be a must start fantasy option.
And you know, I think top twenty upside.

Speaker 15 (41:43):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
And to me, again, the floor is there, the ceiling
is there, The opportunity should again injury before Jamar Chase
could even grow into something even better. So a lot
more outs, as they say, on the positive side for
t Higgins. Andrew, let's get to one of your guys
on this list of bounce back wide receivers, and let's
talk a little bit about Jalen Waddle, because Jalen Wattle
has been a dude that you have been all in

(42:06):
on as of I the ADP has come up a
little bit since July. I remember around July first, we
were doing some shows together. Early on you and I
were looking at each other and scratching our heads, going,
what in the world is going on here? You see
the ECRs at wide receiver fifteen, but the ADP wide
receiver twenty still not catching up. So the experts are saying, hey, everybody,

(42:27):
they're screaming draft Jalen Wattle sooner, and the ADP just
isn't quite catching up. I don't understand why that is, Andrew,
walk us through again, why Jayleen Waddle in your opinion,
as a guy who is going to bounce back and
it bounce back in a big way in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 12 (42:42):
Well, the reason the ADP is not catching up is
because everybody's drafting guys like Cooper Cup, Nico Collins, Marvin Harrison,
Drake London, Oh guy Eazy.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
No more disparaging Marvin Harrison Junior on this program.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I told you in the last segment.

Speaker 12 (42:54):
I don't hate everyone in Round two from wide receivers.
It's just I'm circling my guy as Jayalen Waddle, like
that's the guy I want out of the bunch because
for me, he checks off all the boxes. He's done
it before in two different ways. He's been a wide receiver,
one as a rookie and then alongside Tyreek Kill in
his second year last year, banged up with injuries, still
had over one thousand receiving yards. But what held him back?

(43:16):
Four touchdowns? What's gonna happen in this the Dolphins offense
this year? We're gonna see the backfield score thirty plus
touchdowns combined between Raheemos or eight chan again. Or we're
gonna see Jalen Wattle arrest posively in terms of his
touchdowns and score double digits.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
I think that's gonna happen.

Speaker 12 (43:31):
He's too talented of a player, former first round pick,
former top ten overall pick. That what if tyrk Kill
miss again, going back to these number two, these real
life number two wide receivers, they have this untapped potential
where if that alpha takes a step back, gets hurt,
banged up, well, then what happens. Jalen Wattle could be
the highest scoring wide receiver any single week in that
Dolphins offense. And that's even with Tyreek Kill on the team.

(43:54):
So for all those reasons, that's why I just have
so much faith in Jalen Wattle. Again, he has the
connection with too, He's played with two cents Alabat. That's
the connection I want to buy into. And this Dolphins
offense is gonna be super explosive. Their defense, oh my god,
I don't know if they have any defensive lineman left.

Speaker 6 (44:08):
Everyone keeps retiring. So I think it's.

Speaker 12 (44:10):
Gonna be shoot after shot out in Miami, and I
think Jaalen wall is gonna be a huge part of it.
So for me, again, I'm not taking stabs on these
more projection based wide receivers in his range. I'm taking
the proven production with Jamn Wattle. I'm gonna draft him
as much as I can.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Waddle is proven. I mean, I know it was two
seasons before he got hurt, but those were some very
valuable seasons. Jamie, where do you stand on Wattle? Are
you as pro Jalen Waddle as Ericson and I are
this year.

Speaker 14 (44:35):
Top twelve guy round two pick? Yeah, I think you
know the Hey Andrew nailed it and we saw it
last year the Jets game, one of the best secondaries
in football. He tore them up, you know, and I'm
sorry that was game Tyre kill missed there. There's just
so much upside here, and you know, I think first off,
you want to see him healthy. He's dealing with something
in practice is keeping him out. So that's a little

(44:56):
concerning for what we dealt with last year, you know,
so you don't want to see anything, you know, keep
them off the field. That being said, I think the
whole old Dell Beckham signing, you know, may have scared
some people a little bit that they're going to have
a name there that could take away from you know,
maybe both these guys, but Nobod's running away from Tyreek Hill.
I also think going back to last year, there was
the whole story and I think this impacted Jalen Waddle's
numbers a little bit. Getting Tyreek Kill two thousand yards.

(45:18):
That was something the Dolphins really.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Tried to do.

Speaker 14 (45:20):
They tried to get that for Tyreek Hill, and I
think that took away a little bit from Wattle's over
Robert Waite. You know, the injuries were the biggest part
of it. But still he's he's got so much upside
and there's just so much to love about this That
defense is going to.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Be a problem.

Speaker 14 (45:32):
The offensive line is a concern too. Just keep that
in mind, you know, so we could see you know,
two on his back a little bit. So if you
are concerned about Wattle, just put that in the back
of your mind, because we know what that was like
for Wattle two years ago, you know.

Speaker 6 (45:42):
Hun two.

Speaker 14 (45:42):
It was you know, in and out of the lineup.
But I still think, just based on what he's capable
of doing, what you're talking about, and you said it,
the receivers in his range, he should absolutely go ahead
of Cooper Cup. If anybody's making that decision, you make
a mistake.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Love it. Uh Yeah, big Jalen Wattle fan this year,
and all three of us are screaming at you guys
right now, please draft him as often as you possibly can.
The man also got paid all the money they believe
in Jalen Waddle, Otherwise they wouldn't be throwing contracts at him.
All Right, before we get to the next gun, Andrew's list,
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all of your Fantasy football drafts. Now, one guy that
I am drafting everywhere, and Andrew Erickson might have fought
with me a little bit earlier in the last segment,
but we are back to being friends after Jalen Waddle conversation.

(46:59):
It is Chris Watson. The upside at wide receiver forty
is absurd. Sometimes he's going even later than that. If
I'm wrong, I'm wrong, my fantasy team will live on.
But if I'm right and Jordan Love plays as well
as he did last year, this guy, to me Andrew
could be a league winner. Let's talk about Watson and
what you think his upside is in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 12 (47:20):
Yeah, Watson was one of those examples of the projected
breakout guy one year that totally missfires and then gets
discounted significantly the following year. And that's when they actually
do fire on the breakout. But the best part is
you don't have to take any risks. There's no risk
involved really with taking a shot on Christian Watson because
when this guy is on the field, you know he's
going to produce.

Speaker 6 (47:39):
Or his last fifteen games, he's.

Speaker 12 (47:41):
Averaged thirty poick three points per game, same as Jamar
Chase's average points per game from twenty twenty three. This
guy has been a wide receiver one in fantasy points
when he's on the field and healthy. Again, that's the
big question, but it's more than well baked into his
wide receiver forty eightpen you look at betting odds' Jowa's
kind of a fun thing to look in the fantasy land.
He's in the top ten shortest odds to leave the

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NFL in touchdown catches. If Jordan Love has a monster
year and he improves after what he did as a
first time starter, Christian Watson is going to have a
massive part in it. There's no doubt in my mind
that he's going to be part of that explosion potentially
from Jordan Love taking another step in his second year
as a full time starter. So for me, I'm not
forgetting what I saw as a rookie and even last year. Again,

(48:24):
going back to touchdowns, we have four number one wide
receivers on the Green Bay Packers, So how do we
get god to stand out who catches the most touchdowns? Well,
last year, Watson had fifteen EN's on targets during the
regular season and postseason combined. That ranked sixth overall among players.
The betting oughts are telling us that, hey, he has
the most touchdown upside of this bunch, and that's what
I'm going to chase outside the top thirty six wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Now, Jamie, you and I typically share the same board.
We always are in on the same players. That's why
I hate seeing you in any Expert League draft that
I'm in, because I know it is going to be
a long day at the office. We're just gonna be
fighting over the same guys. Is Christian Watson another one
of these players that you and I are going to
be fighting over in twenty twenty four?

Speaker 14 (49:01):
Put him up?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Put him up?

Speaker 14 (49:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
I think I think for sure.

Speaker 14 (49:05):
You know, Andrew said it. You know, he's he's different
than the other three number one guys there. And I'm
sure if you had Matt asked Matt Lafleur, he'd probably
say bol Melton's the number one guy too. It's just
one of those receiving corps where you know there's gonna
be a lot of diversity, but one guy, when he's right,
stands above the rest, and that's Christian Watson, you know,
and so I'm hopeful he can stay healthy. You know,

(49:26):
I'm I'm an old school guy. I still like to
see these third year receivers when they've shown you something,
go into that season.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
You know.

Speaker 14 (49:32):
I when I first got this job many moons ago,
it was I got a chance to speak to a
lot of you know, older receivers Darry Rice, Chris Carter,
those type of guys. I'm only doing that because Joe
likes when my name drop.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I might to pick him all up after the show.

Speaker 14 (49:43):
Now, they they all told me, you know, the third
year is when they get the rapport with their quarterback.
They understand the route tree, they understand coverage. And for
this guy, I mean clearly he just has to stay
on the field because you know, the speed is elite,
you know the playmaking ability is elite, and you know,
just the hamstrings right now have been a problem. So
hopefully they solved it. The cost is amazing for what

(50:04):
the upside is. Like you said, Joe, he's not going
to wreck your fantasy team if you draft him in
this range. And so if for me, I don't like
to leave a draft. And Andrew and I were kind
of joking at this at the Flex draft with without
one of the Packers receivers is because they're they're fun
and there's upside really one through four. The joke, you know,
Andrew looked at our board and said, no, DWN Tavian Wicks,

(50:25):
what's wrong with you guys?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
And I was like, oh, let me take quick to me, Oh,
I missed him.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
I wanted him. I need to get him.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
When I got Walt.

Speaker 14 (50:32):
Something is the one for me and I target first,
just because again, if he hits, there's a lottery ticket
upside with with what he can do.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
All right, And by the way, you know what the
worst part about that whole thing is Jamie. The one
time I've ever actually gotten to interview or be with
and talked to a real, live, active NFL wide receiver,
guess who was there Andrew Jamie Eisenberg in the room
with me. So it's like I can't even brag to
him about it because he's right there with me doing
the same one.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
At least you have a witness. Now people will believe you.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
That's good, I know, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
It's not cool. I can't be cool. Like Jamie Fitz
and Trell Furman had some discussion about bounce back running backs.
Here are some candidates at the running back position that
could surprise this season.

Speaker 16 (51:10):
And let's just start off with the number one. Who's
one of my favorite running backs this Year's John Robinson.
He's RB two, you know among the position. His ADP
is RB three, So it's RB two in the rankings
ADP RB three, So again, this is a first round player.
Fits depending on how risk averse you are with Christian McCaffrey,
this might be one of the first two running backs
off the board in your leagues.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
What defines him as a bounce back player for you?

Speaker 11 (51:32):
Yeah, he's got a bounce back from Arthur Smith for it.
It does feel strange to have this abundantly talented running
back listed as a bounce back player, but last year
he was RB nine and a half point PPR, scoring
RB seventeen in Fantasy points per game.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Bijon had forty one.

Speaker 11 (51:50):
Percent of the Falcons rushing attempts last year, and even
if you filter out the quarterback runs, he was still
under fifty percent forty seven point two percent of Atlanta's
rushing attempts by non quarterbacks, which seems kind of suboptimal
to have a guy with this level of talent carrying
the ball that infrequently. And Arthur Smith is out, Zach

(52:12):
Robinson is in as the Falcons new offensive coordinator, and
you know, we can't guarantee completely optimal play calling, but
I think it will be more optimal than Arthur Smith's
play calling, which sometimes is just too much of the
vanity play calling and being cute and running reverses to
Scottie Miller and Caderol Hodge, Like, just give Bijon the darn.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Ball, Fitz.

Speaker 16 (52:35):
I know that Breese Hall is not on this list
that we're gonna be talking about, but we're not allowed
legally to talk about Bjon Robinson without comparing him to
Breese Hall. It's been one of the more fun debates
of the Fantasy offseason. So as it stands right now
on August nineteenth, do you have a preference between Bres
and Bijon?

Speaker 11 (52:51):
Yes, slight preference for Bijon. One has had major knee
surgery in the last two years and one hasn't.

Speaker 16 (52:58):
That's very reasonable, Terrell, same question here, Do you have
a preference between Jon and Breeze just because that does
seem to be one of the kind of skeleton keys
to the season in the first round.

Speaker 17 (53:07):
At least not really. Actually, I think they're kind of
neck and neck for me. I've actually kind of started
to talk myself more into Bjeon. I think I was
early Breeze, but now I'm switching over to Bijon, and
it's really a lot of look at where he was
lining up, like he wasn't just in the backfield, he
was lining up in the slot. He was first in
terms of running backs routes lined up in the slot

(53:29):
in the NFL, and he was second in terms of outride.
The only person that was ahead of him was Rashad White.
And yet all of that, and there's a numerous amount
of not wide receiver but running backs including Brees Hall,
Travis CTN, Jalen Warren, Rashaan White, Christian McCaffrey, Alvin Kamara
who had more receptions than him. And so I think

(53:50):
that now with Kirk Cousins slash Michael Pennix, it sounds
like we might be getting the Matt Flynn Russell Wilson
fiasco that happened way with the Seahawks going on in Atlanta.
But either way, regardless of his cousins, regardless of his Pinnis,
I think that both of those two guys are way
more talented than Desmond Ritter and whatever the Falcons were

(54:11):
doing at quarterback last year, where they can actually get
him the ball and get him those receptions, and that's
gonna be the thing that pushes him over the top.
He's a great runner, and that's just gonna make him
an RB one off rip. But to be one of
the top, one of the very best that receptions low
increasing is going to really do it for him.

Speaker 16 (54:28):
If everything hits for Bijon, there's nothing that he's not
providing you. He can give you touchdowns, he can be
that goal one back, he can give you a ton
of receptions. He has that skill set and obviously he
can be a workhorse. Now we'll see if they do that.
They do like Tyler Algier, we know the history with
this RAMS kind of coaching offense is they like to
ride one guy. We saw it with Kien Williams when
he was healthy. We've seen it with Todd Gurley in

(54:48):
the past. These guys and the Sean McVay tree like
to have that workhorse back. So if it is Bijon,
I mean, like this sky is the limit, Like right,
you could throw out any cliche you want about the
type of year he could have and I wouldn't say
it's too much.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Like there is a very clear world.

Speaker 16 (55:02):
And again you could say this too about Briefs or
a healthy McCaffrey or some of these other guys, but
there is a clear path to you could paint the
narrative of a year from now, Bijeon is the consensus
number one pick in every draft. Like that is a
very reasonable outcome that could happen and fits. The other
thing with Bijon that I like, and Torrell started to
allude to this is I liked that there's talent on
this offense, but there's not overwhelming talent. It's not like

(55:24):
the forty nine Ers where you have to feed George
Kittle and Christian McCaffrey and Brandon Aiyuk and Deebo Samuel.
I mean, it's a lot of names here. It's Kyle Pitts,
it's Drake London, and it's Bijon And that's basically I
really like how Conci traded it is in this movie
between those three. Well, okay, okay, it's not on the

(55:46):
same level.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
Don't don't don't.

Speaker 17 (55:47):
Don't disrespect Darnell Mooney like that either he's competing, he's competing.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Well, what do you think fits is?

Speaker 16 (55:54):
Is Mooney somebody that you know could kind of eat
into the the lineup? Ur is what I'm making is
what I'm saying making sense as far as how concentrated
this offense could be.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
I mean it does.

Speaker 11 (56:02):
It's it should be a more narrow usage tree than
it was last year when there were all these touches
for Cordero Patterson and John new Smith or whatever. But
Terrell does make a good point with Mooney. He did
get a lot of guaranteed money. And by the way,
shout out to Terrell for making the Matt Flynn reference.
Matt Flynn with the most lucrative regular season finale, I

(56:23):
think in the history of the NFL, parlaying that into
a big contract with Seattle and then never actually being
the starter when Russell Wilson came along.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
It's a great gig if you can get it.

Speaker 17 (56:31):
Honestly, I would love to get paid to be a backup,
the highest paid backup.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Amazing.

Speaker 16 (56:39):
Saquon Barkley obviously changing teams to the Philadelphia Eagles. He's
RB six in ECR RB five in ADP, so it
fits again kind of along those lines, similar conversation.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
He's now in a vacuum with Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 16 (56:51):
Obviously with Barkley, you also have the massive offensive line
upgrade coming from the Giants. Is that kind of what
played into him being on this list for you.

Speaker 11 (56:58):
Yeah, and hopefully he stays healthier. But the offensive line
upgrade is massive, going from maybe one of the worst
offensive lines in the league with the Giants to one
of the best with the Eagles, even despite the Jason
Kelce retirement. I think this Eagles offensive line is surely
top ten, if not top ten, not top five.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
And where are you ranking Saquon?

Speaker 16 (57:19):
Like I've mentioned, he's kind of RB six and consensus
and then being drafted as RB five.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Is that where you have him as well?

Speaker 14 (57:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (57:25):
I have him RB six. I still don't like him
as a first round value, but I think early in
the second makes sense.

Speaker 16 (57:32):
I was going to ask about that because I think
he's going to go in the second round of almost
every draft. So is he more on that first like
kind of the first half of the second round for you,
not a back end of the second round type of guy.

Speaker 11 (57:42):
Yeah, And I do see him get taken at the
tail end of the first round quite a bit, maybe
in close to half of the drafts I've done so far,
But I do think he's better maybe in the first
four or five picks of the second round.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Trell, where do you have Saquon ranked this year?

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (57:56):
I think Saquon is unfortunately, and I hate to say,
I think that he's right where he's at, probably top
end of the second round. I wouldn't be mad if
somebody take him at the back end of the first round,
because I think that, unfortunately, the talent's going to be there.
As a Giants fan, he's really really good, and he
has the best offensive line in football. Yes, they're going
to show up the center position and make sure that works,
but with Jurgens, they've been, you know, everything has been

(58:19):
so stationary on the offensive line, and that's the complete
opposite that you could say for the New York Giants.
And so I think that Saquon is gonna get the
success that DeAndre Swift had and double it because I
think that he's going to be more consistent. I think
he's gonna have more of a use in the passing game,
and they're going to try to make sure they get
him as touches in the passing game because when he's

(58:40):
in open space, he makes some beautiful things happen. So
the only thing that I think will go down is
the touchdowns. But Saquon has so much usage and so
much talent where he can get it on the ground,
he can get it through the air and with the
receptions where you're probably not even missing the touchdowns, and
the touchdowns probably make it a special week when it's
already a good week.

Speaker 16 (58:58):
Fits one of the other kind of being compaired with
a mobile quarterback. It's not just the maybe added efficiency
with the more open running lanes.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
It's not just the touchdowns.

Speaker 16 (59:07):
It's also the pass catching because a lot of times
mobile quarterbacks are very willing to and when the pocket's
breaking down, rather than checking down and kind of racking
up those receptions. For the pass catching running backs, which
Sakuon can be in terms of his skill set, they
will just take off. So are you worried about that
in Philadelphia that from a half PPR or full PPR
perspective that Sequon might take a hit.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
I am a little worried about that.

Speaker 11 (59:29):
Jalen is not really a checkdown guy, So I think
sae Quon's pass catching productivity is probably a little captain
And let's be honest, we have not seen him be
special as a pass catcher in like three or four years. Anyway.
That's maybe one of the things we were really excited
about with him coming into the league that he could
maybe be another Marshall Falk who would give us just
this phenomenal production both as a runner and as a

(59:51):
pass catcher. We haven't really seen it in the passing
game in the last few years, but as a runner,
I mean like there is a lot of promise for
Sequon Barklaye twenty twenty four with Jalen Hurts helping open
things up with his mobility, with that improved offensive line.

Speaker 16 (01:00:06):
To a degree, Terrell, I kind of just feel like,
like I see some red flags with Saquad and I'm
viewing him as more of a second round player. I'm
just kind of preferring the receivers at the back end
of the first round and right at the top of
the second round. Having said that, like, am I just
overthinking it? Is this, like, hey, he was one of
the most dynamic running back prospects to come into the
NFL six years ago. He's still only twenty seven, which

(01:00:28):
is older for a running back. It's not like he's
into his thirties yet He's going to a team that
has been very successful, that should have a really good
offensive line, Like there should be touchdown opportunities of plenty.
So even if a larger percentage of them are going
to his quarterback. The overall bucket of touchdowns there should
just be more available in Philly than there were in
New York, like significantly more so? Am I just overthinking it?

Speaker 10 (01:00:48):
Like?

Speaker 16 (01:00:48):
Could should he actually be considered the back end of
the first round more so than I'm giving him credit for.

Speaker 17 (01:00:52):
I mean, the only concern that I have his injury.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
That's it.

Speaker 17 (01:00:55):
Like, I think that the talent is there. I think
the offense is there. I think everything is predicated. They
paid him the money, and is it not like they
paid him a little bit amount of money. They went
and broke the market for him, and so I think
that this they're going to use them. They They're probably
going to check down a little bit more run design
screens behind that big and mobile offensive line. That's going
to really really open things up for Saquon. Like I

(01:01:17):
think everything is there is just is he going to
play the games?

Speaker 10 (01:01:21):
Like?

Speaker 17 (01:01:21):
That's the only concern I have, And that's probably the
only deterrent that has me away from trading him, because
I have been scorned by early running backs going down
early on in the season.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
I mean, you name it.

Speaker 17 (01:01:34):
I had that running back back when he said that
he wasn't playing in this year or they just came
up through camp and got hurt, Like it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
So I've been scorned, I've been hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
But did you have Leveon Bell the year that he
chose to sit out? Oh brutal?

Speaker 17 (01:01:51):
Absolutely, hen't mean my lead the year before, So, I
mean it was. It's so many different things, but that's
the really only that's if you'd tell me that I'm
guaranteed to get Saquon for the full duration of the season,
I'd say he's a top five running back easy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
We always love to talk about the rankings and tiers
over a Fantasy pros and Billy Muzio, one of the
most accurate rankers in all of the Fantasy Landscape, sat
down for a discussion about the running back tiers in
twenty twenty four. Here's how that went.

Speaker 16 (01:02:20):
Billy, I want to ask before we get out of
this tier about Derrick Henry. He's somebody that I feel
like I'm just hyping up more and more every single show,
Like as I sat down to do my rankings, like
I'm just like, I want to have him in my
top five.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
I just want to be above consensus on him. He's
currently RB eight.

Speaker 16 (01:02:34):
I'm just expecting him to score like fifteen touchdowns if
he stays healthy, which is not a guarantee. He is
a thirty yard running back, but I'm expecting a really
big season from Derrick Henry.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
So where what are you doing with Henry and drafts
this year? I have met RB four and I have
oh yes, thank you. I love hearing that.

Speaker 18 (01:02:48):
I have him actually closer to Bijon than people would
probably like, and I think there's a real argument to
be made to take him ahead of Bijon. I love
to hear that this season. So I understand the trepidation.
I mean, he's thirty years old, but he's still performing.
I mean last year he averaged four point two yards
per carry on twelve touchdowns. Now he's in an RPO,
you know, run friendly system, where Gus Edwards averaged over

(01:03:12):
five yards per carry throughout his career, and I mean,
let's face it, Derek Henry is a far superior back
than Gus Edwards and this is this is I think.

Speaker 15 (01:03:19):
Some magic waiting to happen.

Speaker 18 (01:03:21):
Henry last year, in a less of an offense, had
sixteen runs, so were fifteen yards what we call, you know,
breakaway run rate over at Player Profiler, and that he's
still averaged over seven defenders in the box, still managed
to have you know, almost four hundred rushing yards, second
most in the league. And you know, like I said earlier,
twelve touchdowns, which is the six most in the league.
And I'm expecting this box to get lighter in this

(01:03:43):
RPO system, and I'm expecting Henry to take it full,
take take full advantage of the defenses here with keeping
teams honest. And I honestly think that Derek Henry should
be an early round two pick, if not late round
one pick, given given his new current scheme and his ability.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
So I'm all in on Derek Henry this year.

Speaker 16 (01:04:02):
I love that you agree with me. That makes me
feel so much better about my stance on Henry. I've
shared this stat on the show before, but for those
who since it's kind of you know, the Big Fantasy
Fest if you're listening for the first time this offseason,
the fantasy fers, I want to share the stat again.
Lamar Jackson last year inside the twenty had the fifth
most Fantasy points of any quarterback inside the ten. He
had the fifth most fantasy points of any quarterback inside

(01:04:23):
the five. He had the twenty fifth most fantasy points.
Doesn't any quarterback when they get inside the five? They
are handing it off And there's nobody better to hand
it off to than Derrick Henry. Again, if he is healthy,
I think he's scoring fifteen touchdowns. Not a guarantee, you know, he's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
A running back. Whatever. If he's healthy, there's no way
he's under a dozen touchdowns.

Speaker 18 (01:04:39):
Like yeah, I mean Gus Edwards about thirteen touchdowns in
this offense last season, and I mean, Henry is bigger, better, faster, stronger.
This is the guy that's just they're just going to
hand it off every single time to him. It's we
are not going to have to worry about somebody like,
you know, Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts, who's gonna you know,
sneak it in at the one or two yard line.
They take care of Lamar and they don't want him
getting be it up.

Speaker 16 (01:04:59):
It's a perfect scenario because the threat of Lamar's speed
is enough that he kind of hesitates the defense just
enough to open up the hole, but he's not actually
going to keep the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
So yeah, I super super love that.

Speaker 16 (01:05:09):
Let's go to Tier three and a player that you
really love talking about fits and that's Devon ah Chan.
We answered a quick keeper question about him in the
last segment. He's ranked RB eleven here right now, and
again I kind of allude to this, but like, if
you get it right with a Chan, you're winning your league.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Like that's what the upside is.

Speaker 11 (01:05:25):
Yeah, So I've got him ranked RB seven right now.
I mean I've got him ranked ahead of Kyron Williams,
which is probably a minority opinion among rankers. But I
think what we saw is last year is a pretty
good indication of what a Chan is going to be
for the entirety of his career. Like not only does
he have this game breaking speed, like track speed, he

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was on the track team at Texas A and M.
But I think the secret sauce with a Chan is
his contact balance. Like he is so hard to like
for smaller back he just bounces off of armed tip
and sometimes you will see a defender hit him squarely
and it's almost like he is inside a pinball machine

(01:06:07):
where he like almost ricochets off in a different direction
faster than he was going before he was hit, Like
he is a really tough dude to bring down catches, passes,
and like we are just scratching the surface. I think
of what he could do in Mike McDaniel's offense. I'm
really excited about him.

Speaker 16 (01:06:24):
Billy, are you trying to be aggressive in how you
rank and draft eighth Han this year or are you
wary of the size and the potential injury stuff and
the fact that it has been kind of a small
sample size of this elite explosive runner.

Speaker 18 (01:06:36):
This is one of the hardest players to rank this
year in twenty twenty four, just because talent wise, he
has the ability to be the RB one in fantasy.
But from a team standpoint, an opportunity standpoint, I have
a little trepidation and I'm a little concerned about the
usage and the size of holding up to a massive
amount of increase. But you have to keep in mind

(01:06:59):
they still have Raheem Moster here, they drafted Jalen Wright
and and that you know, I don't think that they're
going to hand anybody the ball over two hundred plus times,
and I think that this is going to be distributed
amongst all the backs, and so I've kind of been
throwing you know, water on the fire here with Devon a.
Han and I think that, you know, he's a superb talent.
I mean, this is a guy that averaged seven point

(01:07:20):
eight yards per carry, but in my opinion, it's unsustainable
here inside the NFL, especially given his size. And I
think even you increase his workload statistically, you have to,
you know, bring that number down, and when you work
out the magic and the math, the math just doesn't
equate to where he's being drafted in drafts unless he
maintains that efficiency on an increased workload, which I think

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is is.

Speaker 15 (01:07:41):
Going to be hard to do.

Speaker 18 (01:07:43):
I do expect him to see an increase usage in
the passing game. I think that he'll kind of take
over that spot pretty easily and and you know we're seeing,
you know, definitely some opportunities there for him. But I
do have a little hesitation with him as a full
time runner, and not from like I said, not from
a talent standpoint, but more about opportunity and how much
he's actually going to see the ball. You know, we

(01:08:05):
had rahemoster in the career of your last year, and
he's not going away anytime soon either, And so I
just have a little bit of hesitation when I'm pulling
the trigger on him every time. But it's a guy
that you have to own inside of drafts, and he's
the guy that could absolutely beat you if you don't
have some shares.

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ahead to Tier six. There's a couple of names here
that you highlighted.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
Fits. We're going to are with Julia McLoughlin.

Speaker 16 (01:09:01):
He's out at RB forty nine in ECR, and we
talked a bit about Javonte in the last segment. It's
a really interesting backfield to examine because if Sean Payton
does have Sean Payton does have a favorite in this backfield,
that player will be a value in fantasy drafts this summer,
like just based on where these guys are going. If
there is a kind of a clear back in here,
and even if it's not a clear back the way
he might use Julia McLoughlin and we have Deebro in

(01:09:23):
the weighting room to come on next segment. I'm sure
he would love to talk about McLoughlin too, giving his
love for him. But I say that to say that
this is someone that could end up being a pretty
nice value, especially with as cheaply as he's going.

Speaker 11 (01:09:35):
Yeah, Deebro is back there like a caged animal, not
being able to wax poetic about Julia McLoughlin like not
being on this segment. So I guess I'll have to
pinch hit for Deebro in that regard. If I don't
get Javonte Williams in my drafts, like I want to
come out of it with Jilliam McLoughlin because all those
running back targets and they are gonna be a ton

(01:09:55):
of them. You know, one hundred and fifty three RB
targets for the Broncos last year year A long history
of Sean Payton offense is peppering the running backs with targets.
When it was Drew Brees running the show in New
Orleans and bo Nicks has been a screen in checkdown
machine throughout his college career. Jalil's going to get in

(01:10:16):
on that, and they like him a lot. And Sean
Payton has consistently talked to McLaughlin up not only as
a player, but like as far as his work ethic
and being a guy who's at the facility early and
always looking to get better. And this guy is explosive,
Like I think he's going to be the number two.
I think he's going to get in on this target bonanza.

(01:10:36):
And he had thirty one catches last year, Maybe he
could get fifty to fifty plus this year.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
Billy, what are you doing with his backfield? Overall?

Speaker 18 (01:10:45):
I'm nodding in agreements with Pat right now. This is
this is a guy that if given more opportunity he's
he could potentially be inside the top thirty seven, thirty
eighth the position I haven't met RB forty two ritt
now slightly ahead of consensus, but I mean he was
RB nine and fantasy points per opportunity. The problem is
he just didn't see a lot of opportunity, and so
I think we are going to see him get you know,

(01:11:06):
a crack at it more here in twenty twenty four.
You know, the Pats point, you know, they've been talking
him up. I mean, first the practice lost to leave
putting in the effort, you know, and you mentioned here
at the top of the segment that if we can
find a back to sem Payton likes, he's gonna pay
off dividends in fantasy. And right now this seems to
be that the arrow was pointing to Julia McLaughlin. You know,
this is a guy that is you know, also electric

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on the ground. He was you know, RB thirteen, a
breakaway run rate. He was RB six and juke rate
you know, true yards per carry r before at five
point one. This is this is a guy I'm attacking
pretty aggressively inside of draft rooms. And his ADP has
been rising as of late, but it was very nice
when he was going, you know, outside of the top
fiftieth position. But he's one of my most owned backs,

(01:11:46):
especially when I'm building zero RB teams our.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Own pat fits.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Morrison Derek Brown had a great conversation about the wide
receiver tiers you don't want to miss. So here's the
best of those moments from the Fantasy Fest.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
We're gonna be diggings to the widers, C rankings the tiers.

Speaker 16 (01:12:00):
Of course, you just did this with the running backs
last segment with Billy, so we are now bringing on
Deebro to talk a little wide receiver action again as
a reminder, all of our twenty twenty four consensus rankings
and those tiers can be found a fantasypros dot com
slash rankings. Let's jump right into the very top as
it currently stands. We've got Ceedee, Lamb, Tyreek Hill, and
Jamar Chase down in tier two. Is Justin Jefferson and

(01:12:21):
amanas Saint Brown. I bring those up because those are
kind of the five names that you most often hear.
But the way our consensus tiers have it is there
is a tier within those five and it's those top three.
So Deebro, starting with you, are those the right three
names to be at the top, and is Lamb, Tyreek
Chase the right order I have a.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Chase Slam and Tyreek, and I think that especially those
top two guys, it is so dependent upon these contract situations,
and like people get asking a question the discord, like Okay,
I'm here, who do I draft? Should it be worried
about Lamb? And I'm like, it's a fluid situation. I mean,
right now we're just kind of like flying by the
seat of our pants and saying, Okay, hopefully we get

(01:13:01):
some clarity on both of these top ride receivers before
you get to your draft day. So I mean, if
you get the hebgb's, I don't I don't hate anything
going Tyreek Hill over. The top three are at least
over Chase or Overlaand but Chase is my wide receiver
one right now, assuming he's playing and has the contract,
so I'm not moving off of him.

Speaker 16 (01:13:21):
Deeber I already kind of asked fits this from the
running back perspective in the last segment. But are these
guys going before the Bijon's and the Breases of the world?

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Are they behind them?

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
For you?

Speaker 16 (01:13:30):
Are they kind of interspersed all within one big overall
tier like a how are you approaching it between not
just parsing between these guys among the position, but against
those elite running backs.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
I think a lot of it goes down to format,
how your draft goes and stuff. But the other thing, like,
I mean, I've got them all kind of lumped together,
Like Chase is my number one overall player. But if
you were to tell me, like, out of those top
like four to five guys, you wanted to go Bijeon
or you wanted to go see him see or you
want to like, I'm not gonna sit here and push

(01:14:02):
back about that because the big takeaway here is they're
all super elite players. So it's really just kind of
pick a flavor fits.

Speaker 16 (01:14:10):
Is this the right tier one with just these three names,
and is this the right order within the tier?

Speaker 11 (01:14:15):
So I do believe it's the right three. I mean,
you can make a case for Jefferson and amen Ra
belonging on this tier, but if they are to be
their own Tier two, I'm fine with that. Also, I've
got it Tyreek Chase Lamb. Lamb only falls to the
bottom because of the contract situation, because I'm starting to
get a little nervous about it, and because Chase is
a really nice option himself.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
I like Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 11 (01:14:39):
If I were going to bet on who is going
to lead all receivers in Fantasy points, I would bet
on Tyreek. But I won't always follow my own rankings
just because I love Jalen Waddle and Devon a Chan
as options around that two three turn. So I'm drafting
Tyreek at the top kind of takes me out of
the wattle in a chan business, and I don't like that.

Speaker 16 (01:15:00):
I've got it as Lamb Chase Tyreek for me, so
we all have it as the same top three, just
maybe kind of you know, parsing through different orders. But again,
all of these guys are elite, excellent options. We don't
need to spend too much time on them. Let's go
into tier two, and within tier two, I do think
there kind of should be two separate tiers. As it
currently stands, it's Jefferson, Saint Brown, AJ Brown, Garrett Wilson,
Pokin Akua. I do think Jefferson and Saint Brown kind

(01:15:23):
of stand ahead, right, but as of now they are
kind of clumped together in this tier. Fits do you
agree A that there should be kind of a separation there.
There's no case to be made for Brown, Puka Garrett
Wilson up with Jefferson and State Brown or is there.

Speaker 11 (01:15:36):
I don't think there is, and I might need Debro,
the staunch Puka advocate, to try to talk me off
alledge with Pooka. I'm getting a little bit nervous. I'm
not gonna lie like I do have my doubts the
Cooper Cups can be able to stay healthy all year.
But if he does, I feel like there's a non
zero chance that he out targets Pooka Nakua this year.

(01:15:58):
Like we know, Puka is terrific. What we saw last
year was no fluke. But I'm starting to wonder if
he should be on this tier maybe uh, at the
top of the next tier.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Deebro, what do you think.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
I'm not pushing back off of Pooka. I mean, right now,
there's very few coaches the one they talk about injuries
that I trust. But I do think that Sean McVay
is a straight shooter. I think that he does not
lie to the media. Now, is he always the most
forthcoming and stuff? No, but no coach is so we
have to understand what quotes we get and things like that.
But I mean, he said Puka should be ready for

(01:16:36):
Week one, and I haven't moved Puka in my rankings.
And the thing about Puka that like, I'm not moving
him back if taking the knee injury out of this,
Like we want to invest in second ear wide receivers, right,
Like that's always been a thing. That's what we talk
about every single year, and if they take another step forward,

(01:16:56):
why the heck do we not want to fully invest
in a guy that we saw break every rookie record
last year, Like why would that not be somebody we
wanted to be? Like, Okay, well, as a rookie, he
was awesome on a per game basis. With Cup on
the field, he was awesome and he outscored him. Why
would that not happen yet again this year? With Cup
another year older? And I know right now everybody's everything's

(01:17:20):
great and grand. With Cup, it's the same thing like
when you invest in these aging wide receivers, it's kind
almost right now, the DeAndre Hopkins Corlaer, it's like, oh,
he's a value, he's awesome and stuff, until oh crap,
he's an veteran wide receiver and he gets banged up,
which we've seen out a Cup the last few seasons.
And then it's like, oh, it all comes crashing down,

(01:17:42):
and then Pooka is a league winner and he's a
top three wide receiver.

Speaker 16 (01:17:46):
I want to ask quickly about Garrett Wilson before we
move on to Tier three. When I look at every
wide receiver, if I had to bet my life on
one guy to be in the top five next year
who is not currently in the top five, it's either
Garrett Wilson or it's somebody the next year that we're
about to talk about. Like, I just think that there's
such a clear, clear path to him taking a leap

(01:18:07):
into the elite, elite territory. I get why AJ Brown
is ranked ahead of him. I think he's justifiable. I
think it's totally earned by AJ Brown and what he's
done in his career. I kind of come away from
a lot of drafts just wishing that I had Garrett
Wilson instead, because I'm so confident that if everybody stays
healthy in that offense, he will make not just like
a leap and be a value even going late in
the first round, which is weird to say, but like

(01:18:28):
could be one of the top five picks next year.

Speaker 6 (01:18:30):
Fits.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
What do you think about that? Between kind of Brown
and Garrett Wilson back head to head.

Speaker 11 (01:18:34):
That has been a rankings debate for me all off season.
And Wilson should get some sort of medal for having
had a thousand yard season last year with the quarterbacking
he endured with the Jets, And now, like, if we're
getting something reasonably close to not vintage Aaron Rodgers, but
the last iteration of Aaron Rodgers we saw with the Packers,

(01:18:57):
who maybe was, you know, eighty to ninety percent peak
Aaron Rodgers, but eighty to ninety percent of peak Aaron
Rodgers is still pretty good. So if we get a
full season of that for Garrett Wilson, yeah, he's gonna
put up some really big numbers this year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I want to throw this out there real fast, because
I feel like when we're talking about these top tiers,
there's two guys at the buzz or well, one guy
that I think has been polarizing because of the injuries
and stuff with JJ McCarthy. I want to throw this
out here. Boys, I'm not fading justin Jefferson, like I
still have him Tier one. I will take the falling
value like I'm not worried about Jefferson at all. I

(01:19:33):
need to make that very very clear to everybody watching
this show right now, because I've seen and I've heard,
and we've gotten questions in the discord about Jefferson falling
to the back end of first round. Everybody's so worried.
I'm like, does everybody not realize he was still on
pace for two thousand receiving yards with Nick Mullens under center.
And Nick Mallens is still on this roster, So all
the worries about Sam Darnold if he sucks, Nick Mullins

(01:19:54):
is coming in. We already know what that looks like.
So I'm not worried about Jefferson. And the point about
Garrett Will. I have Aj Brown ranked above Garrett Wilson,
and I have him as a Tier one wide receiver.
I think he's got wide receiver one overall upside this
year because as good as AJ Brown has been and
I'm not this is no shade at DeVonta Smith and

(01:20:15):
we'll talk about him later, but Aj Brown has I mean,
what do we see out of last year before that
offense truly went sideways. He went on a run where
he was dominating, and this year with Kellen Moore coming in,
we have seen the Eagles go pace up. We have never, ever, ever,
ever seen the Eagles go pace up and pass happy

(01:20:38):
and throw a lot in the red zone. So why
everybody's worried about is it Barkley or is it gemin Hurts.
It gets the the inside, the ten touches and the touchdowns.
I think that we could be sleeping on a monster
season from AJ Brown.

Speaker 16 (01:20:52):
I do think it's a good point that, like, I
think he just gets under discussed on a lot of shows,
especially this offseason, like you're either talking about the Elite
one guys, which you have him there, but he's not
there a consensus, or you're talking about the you know,
the fun young up and comers like Phuka and Garrett Wilson,
Like he kind of gets overlooked, not in terms of ranking,
but in terms of discussion. So I'm glad you brought

(01:21:12):
him up, but I think it's worth kind of highlighting
that there's significant upside here too. I just I get
so much FOMO when I don't have Garrett Wilson that
I find myself drafting him over A J.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
Brown more.

Speaker 16 (01:21:22):
But again, I think it's super justifiable and and probably
correct to have aj Brown at least ranked higher. We
I did a bunch of shows with you guys and
ericson over the last few weeks about different people's favorite
picks in every round, and Deebra, I think you were
the only one who didn't have Jalen Wattle as your
favorite third round pick. Not that you dislike Waddle, but
everybody else is just go draft Jaaling Waddle in the

(01:21:44):
third round. He's the most obvious smash pick there. There's
a high floor, there's also a high ceiling. So Debro,
why did you not pick him in the third round?
And how much do you hate Jalen Wattle.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
I don't hate Jimlin Wat at all. I really like
jam and Wattle. It's just when we got to that
point in the d there's just other guys and Wattle
is among them. Like I like Waddle a lot this year,
and he's again I think the one thing that the
point that we're not connecting, though I will say this
on Wattle is if we are all collectively very very

(01:22:15):
high on Waddle and we think the regression points to
him having a better year than he did last year,
shouldn't we also be just a tat and I'm not
saying a ton and I'm not saying he falls off
the map. If we think Waddle gets more touchdowns this
year and he has a really really good season, shouldn't
do he be just a touch lower on Tyreek Hill
than we are.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
I mean, I think it's real fits. What do you think?

Speaker 11 (01:22:40):
No, I mean, because I think the targets are going
to be pretty heavily concentrated with Hill and Wattle to
the wide outs. Like I'm sort of fading any sort
of impact for Obija, Like yeah, I mean, Wattle has
put together three straight thousand yard seasons, and he's done
two of them playing with Tyreek Hill, who's been this
mammoth target hog. I mean, Wadle got to one thousand

(01:23:02):
yards last year playing with Tyreek and missing three games.
And he does it because he's a really good receiver.
He's averaged ten point seven yards per target, a really
really good number over the last year's while playing with
Tyreek Hill. So I know some people are a little
bit hesitant to take the number two receiver in any
team's offense, and Waddle's wide receiver twenty ADP reflects that

(01:23:26):
I think he should be going much earlier. I've got
him wide receiver thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
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Speaker 16 (01:23:49):
Raybon, let's kind of stick with the rookies because another
name on your list is Jonathan Brooks. He's up at
RB thirty two. We'll get to some of the higher
rank guys soon, but since we're talking about the rookies anyway,
I mean, you know, deebro just said Lloyd was his
RB one. For most people, RB one in the class
was Jonathan Brooks. Obviously you can kind of very Is
it paint a picture of the opportunity in Carolina once
he is healthy? Is the injury effect the reason that

(01:24:10):
you're avoiding him? Is there something else?

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:24:12):
The injury effect is out obviously why I'm avoiding him
because I think the thing with the talent and what
people don't get is that the missing all this time
in camp, like that's big for the coaches, right, and
if there was no clear alternative in Carolina, like if
Brooks was going into a backfield with only Raheem black
Sheear or something like that, it would be completely different.

Speaker 9 (01:24:35):
But TUPA. Hubbard played well last year.

Speaker 19 (01:24:37):
Miles Sanders is making a lot of money, a lot
more money than he should, but he's still there. You know,
black Chear probably makes the roster as a as a
you know, return man slash third running back. So there's
no real incentive to rush this guy. And it's not
like the Panthers are the Green Bay Packers even or
a team that's competing for anything in particular. I mean,

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and this is the team expected to be one of
the worst teams in the league. I am bullish on them,
but you know, it's not like they have any incentive
to rush Brooks back. So even when he comes back,
it's not like you can just pencil him in, like
let's say you have a missing the first four games
and maybe another one or two, just because that's kind
of the nature of the position. You're looking at like
ten to eleven game projection. But it's not like you're

(01:25:20):
just penciling them in for starter carries. For all of
those other games, Like there's gonna be an easing in period.
This is not a team that's expected to be in
a ton of positive game scripts. They have other options
to play on passing downs. So I just feel like
he's kind of pigeonholed into a certain role and you're
just relying completely on talent on a bad team with

(01:25:45):
multiple other options and no guarantees. So I think this
just it just might be a guy who you know,
I think he underperforms his ADP this year and then
you buy low heading into next year.

Speaker 7 (01:25:57):
De bro.

Speaker 16 (01:25:58):
You know, when you think about Brooks, obviously where he's going,
it's not like you're spending a ton, but it is
like in RB three territory. Is that somebody that you're
taking in that range or are you just looking elsewhere?

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Yeah, I mean we talked about him earlier on the show,
and I'm taking him I and I totally I'm not
dismissing in any of the concerns that Raybaun brought up.
I just I look at Brooks as they're they're taking
the conservative approach and holding him out right now. I
think that is the right approach instead of like easing
like starting him too aggressively. So I still look at

(01:26:29):
where he goes and drafts and I'm willing to take
to take the swing, because if you were to tell
me he was RB twenty four top, like a top
twenty four guy, then I would be more apprehensive about it.
But in the RB three land, we're taking swings on
like committee backfields. We're taking our shots and picking, you know,
our favorite flavor of running back that we believe at
that point. And to me, I think that's an appropriate

(01:26:52):
price for a player that if he does come back
after that first four weeks and really you're you're drafting
him at that point because at the stretch run could
he have that fifteen seventeen touch upside not to open
the season, But that's so much you're drafting him for.
You're not drafting him as a top twenty four guy
that's going to have to be inserted in your lineup immediately.
It's a flex guy or a flyer basically at the

(01:27:14):
RB three spot. Where could he be an RB two
down the stretch? Could he be a guy that is
not leaving your starting lineup. I think that's still firmly
in place or possible for him. So I'm still taking.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
The swing raybound.

Speaker 16 (01:27:26):
Do you see him as somebody that you would maybe
trade for part way through the season and just you're
avoiding in drafts but might want to add, like as
he's getting healthier, you're just kind of avoiding in general.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
I could see it.

Speaker 19 (01:27:37):
But it would have to I think it would probably
be too obvious at that point, and the person trading
wouldn't want to trade him with me. But the way
I see it is this, I feel like we tend
to underestimate the fallibility of our own projection. So like,
for example, a guy like Nick Chubb, I could get
behind a lot more, even though I'm below market on
him too. I generally think the market overrates guys that

(01:27:59):
are entering the season hurt or going to miss games
or suspended whatever or not. But I could get behind
Chubb because we know who Chubb is, and we know
who they want Chubb to be and he's been that.
Whereas Brooks, it's like this guy could is a new
coaching staff, is new everything, Like this guy could come
in and let's say Hubbard's playing well. I mean, Brooks
could be a guy who's getting like eight carries a

(01:28:21):
game and that's just what his role. Like, we don't
have a he could get seventeen, but why in that case,
It's like I might as well I look it upside,
not just a talent, but as how many games of
startability can I get. So it's like I see other
guys in that range, whether at running back or other
positions that I can get seventeen weeks of upside versus

(01:28:46):
maybe maybe eight to ten if I'm lucky. So that's
that's kind of how I'm looking at it with Brooks, Like, again,
love the talent, but I just think he's he's entering
a little bit of a muddy situation. It's not not
necessarily a great offense to be to be entering. So
there's different situations. Maybe he was on different teams, a
different team, in a different spot, in a different year.

(01:29:08):
I would be more bullish, but Carolina is just not
jumping out at me. It's like, oh man, I got
to invest in their hurt running back.

Speaker 16 (01:29:15):
So you mentioned kind of the hero RB strategy. One
name that some people are using for that strategy is
Kien Williams, but Raybund that's somebody you're avoiding.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
Also for me, it's just last.

Speaker 9 (01:29:24):
Year, it was the time to get Karen Williams. Like
this year.

Speaker 19 (01:29:28):
The running backs I feel good about are obviously McCaffrey,
Breest Hall, John Robinson, and Jonathan Tale.

Speaker 9 (01:29:36):
Sakuon Barkley, you could have made a great case for him.
He's getting a.

Speaker 19 (01:29:39):
Little older, new situation. Guys on new teams tend to
not produce as well. But whatever the issue with Karen
Williams is we Sean McVay is very predictable. We know
how to read between the tea leaves with him. He
rested Kyron Williams all preseason with the rest of the starters.
He also arrested Blake Krum, a rookie who has never
played an NFL snap his life, and yet this guy

(01:30:01):
is resting already being treated as a starter. Kyri Williams
through two years, never played more than twelve games. Last
year the most touches he had since high school. He
never had that many touches in college as he had
last year. I just think that the Rams know how
valuable he is and they want to kind of cut
the workload a little, And so is he going to

(01:30:22):
be a complete bust and finish like outside the top
twenty four I don't think so, But I just don't
think you want to be paying a running back seven
price for a guy who I think is more likely
to have a floor year than a ceiling year. I
don't think he's likely to beat out a Tailor or
a Brief or guys like that again this year. I

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think it's more likely that his workload comes down a
little bit, there's some regression, and that he's still is
still one of the I think least durable backs just
because of his size and whatnot. So I just think
RB seven is not where you want to be, Like,
there's a there's a big drop off from even a
guy like a Jamior Gibbs or a Saquon to a Kyrouins.

(01:31:06):
I'd rather have a guy like Travis Etn, who I'm
more confident will have a heavier workload and play more
snaps for the entirety of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
I totally agree.

Speaker 16 (01:31:17):
I find that Kien Williams is one of the more
interesting and somewhat difficult players for me to rank this year.
But there's always someone in the drafts i'm in who
likes him more than me. Like I'm just getting very
little because I don't think the cost is one that
I want to pay. And there's other names that I
like in that area. There's other running backs I prefer,
you know, either earlier or a little later than him.
So I'm just not getting a lot of Kiriene, even

(01:31:38):
though like when you have if you had him last year,
like when he was healthy, was there a more fun
player to have on your roster than Kien Williams. No,
But I just think it's very different, you know, going
into this year and you know we are playing for
twenty twenty four, not for twenty twenty three, and it's
important to remember that deebro Kien Williams, are you you
know for him where he's going or are you fading?

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
I'm a little bit below consensus, So will get exposure
to him. I don't have him at RB seven. I
kt him at RB nine like I've got Nixon, and
depending on what his hamstring stuff like, maybe I bump
him behind Kyron. But I got Derrick Henry over him too,
So I will get exposure to Kyron. Like the way
that I see that backfield this year is I think
I think Koren was brought in, so we don't see

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the Kyron twenty two to twenty five touches per game.
I think Korm was brought in to take some of
that workload away, like eight to ten touches per game,
predominantly in the early downs, probably when they're leading in
positive game scripts if they get there. But I think
when the games are close, I still think Kyroen is
the better passing down back. I think he's still going
to be the clear lead like probably sixty five seventy

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percent of the snaps, So it really comes down to
health for him. But I think that's another reason why
they brought him in, so his touchcounts stay reasonable for
his size and try to keep him healthy instead of saying, okay,
here's twenty five touches all the way. Probably don't see
you for another two or three weeks after this game.
There you go. I think that's why they brought Quorman though.

Speaker 19 (01:33:01):
And even though Kyroen is not like he profiles as
a guy who should catch you out of passes, he
really didn't catch him out of pass even like that
heavy roll last year, So that that's another thing. Like
we're all playing in at least half PPR these days,
it's like if I'm gonna take our RB seven, like
who doesn't catch passes, Like it better be Derek Henry,
who's gonna get like two hundred, like three hundred carries

(01:33:21):
if he stays healthy all sixteen seventeen games.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
So that's a good point, Raybond, especially because Stafford like
he's yolo man Like, it's not like he doesn't He's
never had like a super super high checkdown rate. So
it's like, even though he's a pocket passer, like if
it's like, well I could check it down or I
could just go thirty herds down the field, He's going
thirty herds down the field.

Speaker 16 (01:33:39):
Absolutely, you are spot on too that, like we're basically
all playing half PPR.

Speaker 10 (01:33:43):
Now.

Speaker 16 (01:33:44):
I had somebody the other day, just a friend of mine,
asked me for some draft advice and asked the scoring setting,
and he was like, oh, standard, there's no PPR, and
like not to knock people who.

Speaker 4 (01:33:51):
Play that way, but I did a double take.

Speaker 16 (01:33:52):
I was like, I can't remember the last time somebody
asked me a question for an actual standard league.

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
It's just become so prevalent to go the other way.
We're gonna get.

Speaker 16 (01:33:59):
Going, see, and I do want to quickly wrap up
with you guys, both suggested players to avoid on the Packers.
So I want to kind of have you each make
the case for either side. De Bro, you want to
avoid Jayden Reid this year raybound you and to avoid
Christian Watson. I don't know if you heard at the
end of the last segment, we were kind of, you know,
Christian Watson. So it's nice to have you come in
and horse some bold water on that. So let's start
with while you're avoiding Watson.

Speaker 19 (01:34:20):
Listen, the guys talented and so are about seven other
skilled players on the Green Bay Packers, and Christian Watson
is the one of those guys who has It's like
it's like Kyraen Williams all over Again's like this guy
has been two years in the week and he hasn't
we'll played a full season yet he got hurt the
other day in camp, just like what going up for

(01:34:41):
a pass and he like missed the preseason game or
something like everything. This guy just can't stay healthy. And
now the last thing you wanted to see in the
preseason was don Tavian Wicks catching along touchdown, because that again,
when there's uncertainty, it's like Christian Watson is still being
drafted is like okay, right, as like a fringe like okay,

(01:35:03):
he's not a bona fide like starting wide receiver, but
he's one of the first guys you're taking as like
an upside guy. You know that that might probably sits
on your bench to start the year, And so I
get that there's not a ton of risk, but I
just see a lot better guys at cheaper ADPs. I
don't trust him to stay healthy. I don't trust him
to be even when he is healthy, an eighty five

(01:35:23):
ninety percent snap player like some of the other guys
I can get in this range because you have a
guy like Jayden Reid, who I think I know where
you're gonna go with this because you know his snap
count is in fux. But realistically, Red, Dobbs, Wicks, and
Watson are all so good that you like, they all
may run on a like, on average sixty five to
seventy five percent of the routes, and that is like,

(01:35:46):
that's just caps their upside, And then that wouldn't be
as much of an issue if you didn't also have
two tight ends that I mean, I don't know if
like what the health stat of Craft is, but eventually
you figure there will be two tight ends in the mix,
and you'll got you know, running backs that you want
to get into in the route in Lloyd if he
ever gets healthy. So there's just always so many routes

(01:36:06):
to go around, and touchdowns are the most fickle stat
like touchdowns are like, yeah, he could have he started
his career catching a touchdown on you know, over ten
percent of his catches. And we've seen Courtland Sutton do
this like two touchdowns, ten touchdowns, you know. Mike Evans like,
so I can't I can't just hitch my ride to touchdowns.
I think I'd rather just invest in a cheaper Romeo Gobs,

(01:36:28):
who still I think probably the favorite to wead the
Packers in routes. So yeah, that's that's why I'm finding
to watch and just a lot of mouse to feed there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
One of the legends and Fantasy Football, Scott Pianowski, talked
with us about wide receiver threes that have the potential
to become wide receiver ones and that's the kind of
stuff that championships are made of. So don't miss the
best of this segment with Scott Pianowski, the Welsh and
Andrew Rickson.

Speaker 15 (01:36:53):
Mister Scott Pianowski, we are going to go to your
second wide receiver three with wide receiver one upside and
we're going to Tennessee. And I got a stat for
you after. But talk to us about Calvin Ridley and
why he can be a wide receiver one that we've
known in the past. Everyone's mad this year. It was
mentioned earlier in the Fantasy Fest. Everybody is making him
pay because he's got an ECR of thirty six and

(01:37:14):
an ADP of thirty two. But right now he is
the number one for Tennessee. How and why is he
going to be a wide receiver one?

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Yeah, he could be.

Speaker 5 (01:37:21):
I think his year in Jackson it was better than
we thought. It was, just there was a big gap
in the middle and it wasn't the best of Trevor
Lawrence seasons. So I think he's a good guy to
buy on the way back up and again, very talented
quarterback pull you can do well at any price point.
With Hopkins being the older receiver here, he's hurt. The
Callahans are coming in to save the day. It's a
bad defense. I don't think Will Levis it's too early

(01:37:43):
to say what he is, but I think he's just
gonna go down field and let it rip and maybe
kind of be the good and the bad that we
saw of Jameis Winston a few years ago, where it
was fun for fantasy, it wasn't always fun if you
were a fan of the Buccaneers. I think it just
has a carnival potential. And with Hopkins being older, Hopkins
being I think really makes a lot of sense. I
also want to say we both submitted three receivers beforehand.

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The one guy I cut was Courtland Sutton, and I
like Courtland Sutton more and more every week as it
goes by. I know again touchdown rate was unsustainably high,
but he's probably the only show in town. Sean Payton
finally has his quarterback. I want you to draft Courtland Sutton.
Maybe he can't be a wide receiver one. I think
he'll be a wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Two.

Speaker 5 (01:38:23):
Back to Ridley. He was a first round pick last year.
Wasn't that bad. It just the way this season unfolded.
Everybody just kind of turned on him and middle of
the season and said, Okay, Calvin Ridley doesn't want to
play football anymore. And then he actually had a pretty
good final third of the year. I'm seeing one hundred
and forty one hundred and forty five targets here and
a team that's probably after years of Tennessee being the
same team that just ran the ball into the ground.

(01:38:43):
They don't have that personnel. I'm not really sure I
want either one of their running backs. I think Will
Levis might be like the Sam Howell this year where
he's just throwing the ball forty five times a week.

Speaker 15 (01:38:51):
Erickson. One thing I want to present to you with
Calvin Ridley, twenty seven wide receivers last year had a
thousand yards receiving. Calvin Ridley had these second worst catch
percentage of all twenty seven of those wide receivers at
fifty seven point six percent. Do you know who number
one was with the worst?

Speaker 6 (01:39:11):
Was it Pukainakua?

Speaker 15 (01:39:13):
It is DeAndre Hopkins, his new teammate, with the worst
fifty six point four percent catch percentage. So two of
the worst catch percentage players together. Maybe it's the quarterback,
maybe it's the play that's the worry, But Calvin Ridley,
we've seen a big, big play, especially when they're gonna
want to go deep in the question, even when Hopkins
is back, is Calvin going to be maybe solely that

(01:39:33):
deep guy that this offense would run through, which really
would let him play this. But what say you, Calvin Ridley,
do you think there's wide receiver will upside Erckson?

Speaker 6 (01:39:42):
I do you know?

Speaker 12 (01:39:43):
I talked about Calvin Ridley as one of my favorite
bounce back wide receivers earlier in the Fantasy Fest, so
I am echoing everything Scott is talking about when it
comes to Calvin Ridley. The reason he is viewed as
a bus from last year is because we got way
out of control drafting a guy hadn't played football in
like two years, and this is what happens. This is
the post hype type of sleeper play. Again, it sounds

(01:40:04):
weird to call Calvin Riley a post type sleeper, but
that's exactly what he is. Everybody was throwing themselves to
draft Calvin Ridley when the guy hadn't played football in
such a long time. And I mean, when you look up,
his final stat line wasn't even really that bad, but
he ran horribly when it came to the drops especially,
it seemed like all of his drops were in the
end zone. So I think Calvin Ridley in this offense
that we're going to see throw the ball way more

(01:40:25):
than any other Titans Fans buckle up like the aerial
attack is coming to Nashville, so please enjoy.

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Do it today, my friends. All right, let's get in
to some more of these bad boys. Let's talk about
some more top end wide receivers, and Ericson, we're gonna
go back to you, and we're going to go with
a wide receiver that has had just some controversy. And
I don't and I believe that that controversy wasn't there,
we would be talking probably easily about like wide receiver
two all season long. But I think people are worried
about some of that suspension in general. And we're talking

(01:42:00):
about Rashi Rice. He has got an ECR of thirty
two and an ADP of thirty five.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
That baby is.

Speaker 15 (01:42:08):
Rising as people are just kind of coming to terms, say, hey,
you know what, we might not have anything come down,
But what say you, Ericson? Obviously I think the talent
is there, but you have to factor in in some
capacity if there is a suspension in play. Are you not?

Speaker 6 (01:42:22):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 12 (01:42:23):
I have Rice as my wide receiver twenty two, So
I am I'm drafting him as a wide receiver too
that I think could be a wide receiver one. Because
again with Rice, the reason his ADP is so low
is because a lot of these rankings, especially on some
of these home sites where your drafting Yahoo, ESPN, CBS,
a lot of those haven't really been updated. Reflected that

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his court date is December ninth. That is way long
into the season, and what the Chiefs can do is, oh,
we're just going to appeal it and then it'll be
pushing off the twenty twenty five albu Kamara didn't get
suspended until the entire season after he committed one of
his penalties, but that ended up making him get suspended
for three games. So the Chiefs have no information, They've
heard nothing. Every time they ask Andy Reid about Rashie Rice,

(01:43:04):
they like, I don't know, I haven't heard anything.

Speaker 6 (01:43:05):
And what's Rice doing?

Speaker 12 (01:43:07):
Just continuing to bought out And Marky's Brown is no
longer going to be part of the game plan because
he's been hurt, so he's missing all of training camp.
He's a new piece at the offense anyway. So when
you look at the way this offense is now set up.
Who's going to be eating up all those underneath tarkies.
It's Roshie Rice, even even that same role as he
was last year. Again, the ad doubt's not sexy, but oh,
he's going to catch six balls every single week. And

(01:43:29):
beyond the high scoring offense in the NFL that throws
the ball more than any other offense, sign me up
wide receiver thirty five ADP. It's like, not even about
just Rice and the things I could sell about him
being in the offense and how he broke out as
a rookie. His price is just wrong and you should
draft him. You should draft him around. I've had a
AVP in every single one of your drafts. Like I
said a couple of weeks ago, Roshie Rice is as
easiest clicking fantasy football, and it aged well because Marky's

(01:43:51):
broan ended up getting hurt so worked out in my
favorite and Roussie Rice didn't get suspended during that time.

Speaker 6 (01:43:56):
But I still right.

Speaker 12 (01:43:56):
Now think at your home leagues or we're fine, we're
Roushie Rice's ADP because I guarantee it's way too low.

Speaker 15 (01:44:02):
Last year, he ended the year with seven straight games
of five or more receptions, and in that period of
time he finished as a wide receiver one three times
and only one of those did he not at least
become a wide receiver three. So some consistency in there,
and you've got Brown out of there. Scott, what do
you think about Rashie Rice in this low ECR slash ADP.

Speaker 5 (01:44:22):
Yeah, we're in major agreement here, Andrew and I the Chiefs.
This was one of the worst Andy Reid offenses in
a year that somehow they won the Super Bowl. But
who got in the circle of trust in the second
half of the year. It was Rashie Rice and Isaiah Bacheco.
Who's another guy who I keep drafting. I got Rice
in the fourth round at the Fantasy Football X Bowl
last weekend.

Speaker 15 (01:44:39):
No, he's not sexy.

Speaker 5 (01:44:41):
He's had like a portman's i'mind ross ain't Brown, right,
You don't think of Saint Brown threatening the defenses with
intermediate and deep routes. He's just he lives to have that,
you know, nine for one oh two stat line, and
Rice is going to be a lot of that. And
maybe the most important thing that that Andrew mentions they
can kick the can down the road with the suspension.
I'm not sure that Rice will get suspended at all,
and even if he does, it almost certainly sounds like

(01:45:02):
twenty twenty five things. You're getting a discount for that.
He's been mispriced all summer and begin a time. Some
of that ADP is baked in because we didn't know.
I think things are a lot more clear now that
there's nothing to worry about. There's been an injury with Brown.
I know Brown is sexy because he runs step routs,
and Worthy, of course, is an exciting prospect who comes in.
But the chiefs may take their time with Worthy, may
take their time with Rice last year when he was

(01:45:24):
screaming for a bigger role. I'm going to emphatically say
it with Andrew Ericsson, I want you to target for
Shei Rice because the market has not fixed his price.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
Everybody loves a good sleeper, and Michael Florio are good
buddy from NFL Network Fantasy sat down to discuss his
favorite sleepers of twenty twenty four. You're not going to
want to miss this.

Speaker 15 (01:45:43):
Let's kick it off with Florio. Florio, You've got a
wide receiver from the Buffalo Bills. Ooh, there's a lot
of money to be made in the Buffalo Bills wide
receivering corps. And you're not going with the rookie. You're
going to go with the deep guy, Khalil Shakir, who's
got an ADP and ECR in the fifties. Baby ADP
of wide receiver fifty ECR fifty nine, looks like he

(01:46:06):
might be a major target. Why and how is Khalil
Shakir your top sleeper at least your number one sleeper.

Speaker 7 (01:46:12):
Here because he's a good wide receiver. I believe like
he was top two in Fantasy points per opportunity amongst
wide receivers. Last year. He had the highest catch rate
ever posted by a wide receiver. He was first in
yards per target at the position, third in YAK per
catch at the position.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
And he is the only receiver on.

Speaker 7 (01:46:36):
The Buffalo Bills roster who could be like, hey, I've
caught a pass from Josh Allen in an actual NFL game.
None of the other guys on the roster could say that.
And not only can he say that, but he earned
more and more trust. I believe down the stretch, I mean,
the Bills stuff behind you might give it away. I'm
a Bills fan, So when they're in the playoffs, I'm
very very invested watching those games very closely. And Shaki,

(01:47:00):
you had a lot of volume in the playoffs, and
you could make the argument that he had the two
biggest plays for the Bills. Against the Steelers, he had
that duck under where he broke the tackle and took
it for a touchdown. And then against the Chiefs he
had the one where Josh Allen like evaded all the pressure,
threw it to the sideline, Shakir somehow kept the speed
and bounds. I think that kind of trust is going

(01:47:20):
to go a long way, especially early on in the
new season where you are counting on a rookie and
a bunch of new guys Curtis Samuel now banged up.
So I like Shakir. He's the cheapest of the three.
He is the best value in my opinion. But you
mentioned Keon Coleman, I will say I'm also in on
Kean Coleman at price. I think Kean Coleman has league
winning upside here. But Shakir to me is a sleeper

(01:47:43):
that is just being way too overlooked and I think
a sure thing to outlive his adp.

Speaker 15 (01:47:48):
And I think it's great. You should listen to a
Bills fan about this, just like Deebro should listen to
a forty nine Ers fan about Brandon Nayuk Across the situation,
you should listen to the smart people that know where
the right take, not the wrong take. So I agree
with you on this, Khalis Shaker. It's a really interesting
situation too, because the two wide receivers that come in
both don't have that rapport. We've also heard some separation

(01:48:09):
issues which could be something early on for Keon Coleman
as far as defenses go. And I kind of think
Curtis Samuel is going to be that change of pace
wide receiver that they're also going to use in the
goal line, so Khalis Shaker might be the guy that
helps drive the field. So I like this one. But Erickson,
what say you Khalis Shaker or Keon Coleman, Curtis Samuel
or none of the above.

Speaker 12 (01:48:29):
So I like Shakir and Kean Coleman as well. I
think Kean Coleman has the highest upside if we're talking
about Okay, we're going to be drafting a Bills wide
receiver in Round two next year.

Speaker 6 (01:48:38):
Who would it be.

Speaker 12 (01:48:39):
You're probably ke On Coleman, like, that's who we put
the chips in on. That would be the player that
has a massive rookie year breakout touch to Josh Allen.
But Shakier you could see continued to rise up the
ranks and look so far things are good for him.
You look at Curtis Samuel already out with turf toe injury.
He's weak to week. Curtis Samuel is no stranger to
being banged up. He has stretches of production and in

(01:48:59):
stretches you don't see him on the field at all
because he's injured. So we're gonna Curtis Samuel experience already
in Buffalo, Florio, get ready for it. Tons of fun
for Shakir. The thing that you want to point out
and Floria mentioned this as well. He has that chemistry
with Josh Allen and the concerns are, well, is he
a full time player, is a part time player. He's
the same conversation we're having with these other polarizing wide

(01:49:20):
receiver we mentioned on the show that are also in
high powered offenses, Tank Dell, Jane Reid, Khalil Shagar. What's
the big difference between them, they all playing good offenses.
There maybe part time players not running around on ninety
percent of the dropbacks. Oh well, they all have really
good quarterbacks too, And Shakir is the one that's the
cheapest outside the top fifty receivers. So you're taking on
all that risk is baked in, but you're capturing all

(01:49:42):
that upside of Hey, Shakier's Josh Allen's guy, and that's
what I want.

Speaker 15 (01:49:46):
So let's move to what I would say is a
mount Rushmore player of the Fantasy Fest. If you watch
the whole time, by the way, you deserve an award.
Hands up in the chat. If you've been here the
entire time, we need to we you know what executive decision.
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(01:50:08):
get a hat if you've been here the whole time.
But if you have, you know, one of the mount
Rushmore of players is Jdaliel McLoughlin. We have talked about
him a ton throughout and ericson you're gonna get right
back on that horse. One of your top sleepers. You've
got adyp fifty one on Julia McLoughlin, rocket ship up.
Talk to us about your number one sleeper.

Speaker 12 (01:50:30):
I just think that he is exactly what you want
in a running back sleeper. He's coming from an ambiguous backfield.
He's coming from an offense that we're not really sure
how great it's going to me. But when it comes
to mclofflin, what do we know about the Sean Payton offensive?
What do we know about bo Nicks? They throw the
ball to the running back position, and that's the easiest
way for us to get value, get fantasy points because

(01:50:51):
that matters. We can talk about snaps and target share
and touches, but eventually they need to score points because
that's what actually counts in our actual lineups. Every single week.
They got to score fantasy points. And that's what we
see in Sean Payton Obfens's is they feed the running
ball or they feed the running back to the ball
through the air at mclafflin looks like the number one
projected checkdown option for bon Nicks in this offense.

Speaker 6 (01:51:12):
So Javonte Williams like, how long is his leash? Actually?

Speaker 12 (01:51:15):
And I don't even mind taking Javonte Williams. Like this
whole Denver Denver Broncos backfield I think is just going
to be a sleeping It's a sleeping backfield essentially. Like
I want all parts of this. I mentioned this earlier.
I want to leave every draft with a wide receiver
from the Green Bay Packers. My other rule of thumb,
I want to leave every draft with a running back
from the Denver Broncos, and most often it's Hlia McLaughlin

(01:51:36):
as that guy. So he's looked great in the preseason
and looked expulsive using in the passing game, getting red
zone usage. So for me, he did exactly what Jalen
Warren did his undrafted year. First year as a rookie,
basically had to prove it all basically from a decorated
college program and or an underrated college program. But it
was very productive. And then he comes in establishes him

(01:51:57):
that he can be the number two running back. They've
alady supplanted samad Ryan on the depth chart, and I
think he's like on that Jalen Warren trajectory, where now
we're drafting Jalen Warren over Najie Harris, a first round
pick from Alabama and we're concerned that, oh, well, Jamonte
is there, he's gonna take away all the touches from McLoughlin.
I don't think that's gonna happen. I think McLoughlin. When
people ask me, hey, who's the sleeper running back, I said,
Julil Bigloughlin.

Speaker 7 (01:52:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:52:18):
I think it's interesting too because like the comparison of
the Green Bay Packers wide receivers, but also I would
say there's a similar comparison and that I think you
can you get a room with ten people, you can
probably find someone that likes each of the four Green
Bay Packers wide receivers. At number one. I think like
Javonte Williams is kind of the same thing, like he
falls into that same boat boat with Julia McLoughlin. And

(01:52:40):
then estimate too people like people find a Denver Bronco
is running back to like Floria just really quickly on
Jealia McLoughlin, Are you a McLoughlin or Javonte Williams, guy.

Speaker 7 (01:52:49):
Uh at Coss, I'm in on both all summer. I
was like, you gotta find the one that's going to
be the past catching back, and I liked what I
saw yesterday, like, not only is bon Nix's look a
lot better than we all expected, but Javonte largely had
most of the steps on the first drive, but McLoughlin
was sprinkled in and then it was the opposite on
the second. So to me, it seems like those two

(01:53:11):
right now are at least highest in the pecking order.
Javonce had the receiving touchdown that didn't count, but McLaughlin, we.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Know, is explosive.

Speaker 7 (01:53:18):
If McLoughlin's ADP climbs a few rounds, then I might
not be in. But where he's going now in the
RB forties, and then Javont Williams as an RB three,
I think both are good values right now.

Speaker 15 (01:53:29):
Ericson, you have a wide receiver and we have oft
mentioned him a whole bunch of times. We're going back
to green Bay because Ericson says, you must have a
green Bay wide receiver when you leave your draft.

Speaker 12 (01:53:41):
Those that know ball know about Dontavian Wicks, and that's
how you canproved all your league makes that you know ball.
So Dantavian Wicks for me, look last year as a
Day three rookie wide receiver got a chance to play
with Christian Watson out and he was really productive, very efficient.
Average really two yards per route run ranked twenty seventh
among all wide receivers, fifth among all rookie wide receivers
for True media first. His first downs per rout run

(01:54:03):
tied DeVante Adams for top twenty among all players. And look,
we talked about this before, Michael Floor he's vomiting at
the idea that he could possibly have a number one
wide receiver on his team.

Speaker 6 (01:54:13):
So what does that mean?

Speaker 12 (01:54:14):
Well, that means we Wis is going to have his
fair share of weeks in this offense to be the
number one for that particular week. So again, injuries happened,
and that's how things may or may not shaken out.
We can debate all year long, who the backers receiver one?
And then one injury here, one injury there. Oh, what
do you know? There's your answer for you. I'm just
confident that if Wis is given the opportunity to see

(01:54:35):
a bigger role, to see a higher target share in
this offense, that he can deliver. And that's not a given,
that's not a guarantee. With a lot of wide receivers,
a lot of wide receivers have had opportunities and then
they lay face on there. They do not deliver and
it's very concerning. But with Wis, I don't have that concern.
I feel confident that if he's given a bigger role,
if he can you surp Watson or a Romeo Dobbs,

(01:54:57):
then I think that he can deliver a lot of
upside from what he showed last year as a rookie.
So for me, again going back to one of my
staples of drafting this year, lead your draft for the
package wide receiver and currently Wis, I just want to
count bow Melton Wicks is the cheapest one that you
can draft.

Speaker 15 (01:55:11):
Ericson you almost pulled a Welshism. You almost didn't.

Speaker 12 (01:55:14):
Now every time I see your face, the welshism are just.

Speaker 15 (01:55:16):
Like if you don't know it's taken analogy, say it wrong,
that's a Welshism. He almost did fall flat on their
face and that almost became a really good Welshism.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
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