November 27, 2024 • 42 mins
The Mary Trump Show’s Mary Trump examines how we prepare for the incoming Trump administration. Garbage Day’s Ryan Broderick details how politics is downstream from internet culture and what that means for our political future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
today's best minds. And two thirds of Americans think Trump's
tariffs will lead to higher prices.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
The other third don't know where they are. That's according
to Poles.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
We have such a great show for you today, the
Mary Trump Shows. Mary Trump stops by to talk about
how her uncle is going to destroy America. Then we
will talk to Garbage Days Ryan Broderick about politics being
downstream from internet culture and what that means.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
For our political future. Spoiler it's bad. But first the
news Somalia.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
As we were alluding to the intro to this, I
think some people don't know what tariffs are, despite the
fact that I feel like we've been discussing them for
half a year at this point, at minimum, if we
didn't learn this in school. But I'm going to shock
you here. Eric Trump does not know what tariffs do.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
What it cannot be uh.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Here he is with Warre Grimman. He's gonna show us.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You want to drugs to come through our southern border,
We're going to tarif you you want to allow them
come through Canada, We're gonna teify China. If you're gonna
allow this stuff to get sold in our country, largely
produced in China, we're gonna add another ten percent.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
To your chair.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
We are gonna cost your countries, your economies.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
We're gonna cost.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Your businesses billions, hundreds of billions at dollars. If you
think you're gonna pair you know terror, you're going to
poison Americans. It's not gonna happen. You're not gonna destroy
your youth. You're not gonna destroy our society. You're not
gonna destroy our families. You're not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It's going to cost you.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I'm gonna put an end to it.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Laura.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
When my father sent that twenty minutes ago, I literally
cheered out loud.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I want to talk about the second son, the drama
of the second side.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You better watch it. He might tear a few.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yes, he's gonna he's reading his father's tweets. All he
wants is for his father to love him, and instead
all he gets are his tweets, and he says, yay, Dad.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Do you think your kids ever read your tweets? And
stand up and cheer?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
No? I want to talk about this.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Tariffs do make things more expensive, yes, but the people
selling the drugs are not the Chinese government, right, they
understand that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Right, They're not the exporters and importers of.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Fent and all.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I mean, look, man, Trump was elected to make everything
less expensive, and so he's going to make everything more
expensive by putting tariffs on it, including fent and al.
You're not going to be able to get a cheap
vent and all anywhere. Just kidding, No, no, don't get
vent and all. Don't take drugs. Also, don't tariff everything,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Just say no to tariffs and drugs.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Tariffs drugs, no, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
All right, Molly, let's talk about the elephant of stupidity
in the room. Trump got away with everything.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, he did.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
That's the top line here is that Jack Smith has
made it official's over. He's dismissing the case without prejudice,
so it could theoretically be opened up again. But let's
be honest. I think that we all know this is
the end of the law trying to hold Trump accountable.
I mean, I don't think any of us should be surprised,
(03:16):
but I do think the one thing I will say
is that people put too much faith, and.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
By people, I mean me as well.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I'm not some you know, if we've learned anything from
his election, it's that I, you know, just have the
same sort of I'm wrong too infallible for sure. But
I think that we definitely saw that a lot of
people really thought that the law would hold Trump accountable
(03:45):
for some of the ways he evaded accountability, and it
was unable to.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, that sounds about right. So here's a blast for
the past. Do you perhaps remember a bunch of not
so fine people named No Labels?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I yes, No Labels, Nancy Jacobson and the former Clinton
pollster Mark Penn, who went on to start No Labels
and get a lot of money from a lot of
different people, threatening to run a third party candidate, which
they never did.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
But they are still salty.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, they seem pretty salty. They launched this big glossuit.
What are you seeing here?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
This should not be surprising because it's so stupid, but
it is maybe a little surprising. So No Labels is
going after Reid Hoffman and Third Way because they feel
that they were insufficiently supportive of.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
The candidate they never ran. I mean, this is like.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
If we had run a candidate, you would have been bad.
So they're trying to get a legal discovery going exposing
the secret machinations that they think led to their project's demise. Again,
I'm not sure how this works, but it does seem
like an enormous waste of time for all parties involved.
And we'll see what happens. But you know, No Labels
(05:04):
continues to be up to no good.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Now we get to what seems to be a mandatory
section of this podcast, which is what dumb shit is
Elon up to.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
When we last saw Elon mush Or, as Donald Trump
calls him Leon, he was jumping up and down and
exposing his stomach, forming his body in the shape of
an X, and complaining bitterly about how mean the mainstream
media was to him. You will be shocked to hear that,
in fact, he is still complaining about the mainstream media.
(05:37):
But this is an interesting media issue because it is
Elon Musk versus Rupert Murdoch. So Trump is billionaire's biggest supporter,
richest man in the world, is furious at legacy media,
this time the Wall Street Journal, owned by Rupert Murdoch,
which is unbelievably ironic and hilarious. So they have a
(06:02):
big piece that dropped on Monday night which was about
the environmental problems at his Tesla facility in Texas. I
just want to say that the headline is Musk says
he wants to save the planet, Teslass factories are making
it dirtier, and then he captioned it writing, legacy media
is a sewer pipe of lies. This is a team
(06:25):
who have won Pulitzerprises. They are pretty smart and careful.
It's hard for me to imagine that Walter Journal does
some of the best reporting going and Elon is furious
because look the reason they don't the reason and again, like,
this is the thing I would say to those of
us who are on the more liberal side when we
(06:47):
critique the mainstream media, is like, the mainstream media is
actually trying to keep these people accountable, and without them,
you will never know about the dirty Tesla factory or
the dumping this waste in the river. And so the
reason that Elon is at war with the mainstream media
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is because he doesn't want people reporting stuff. He just
wants Tesla fans one, two, three news and Maga News four, five,
six and so it is really important to realize, like
this is real and in fact, his mother, you may
remember May Musk, has been going on television to complain
(07:31):
about how unfair it is that people are mean to
her son, who happens to be the richest man in
the entire world.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Real mom going to the principal's office to clean up
the best of a shitty kid.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
De energy going on right there, Yeah, Aze and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Mary Trump is the host of The Mary Trump Show
and the author of Who Could Ever Love You? A
family memoir. Welcome back to Fast Politics, Mary Trump, thank
you for having me, Molly joc Fast, I love you,
and we are real friends.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
You know, we're in the woods right now. We're in November.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You know, we're not in the second Trump admin yet,
but we're starting to get a feel of the insanity
that we all remember from twenty sixteen, the sheer chaoticness
of it.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah, with the recognition because we've been paying attention that
this is going to be much worse.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yes, exactly, and in fact, we were talking about this
just now, Like there are definitely people in our business,
in the media industrial complex, and I think like one
of the things I'm struck by is like I wrote
about getting a lot of the election wrong, or at
least I thought Harris was going to win, and I
got that wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And there were other things I got wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
And I've spent a lot of time like thinking about
the ways in which wish casting overwhelmed my I for data,
you know, stuff like that. But I want to be
clear eyed and like the truth is. And people say
this to me. Sometimes they'll be like, well, didn't you
guys all want them to win? And I'm like, I
did not, But there are definitely people who work in
(09:13):
the mainstream media who did.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Well, then what, as I said, be careful what you
wish for. It's not going to end well for a
lot of people.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It's not going to end well for anyone.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And it's funny because it's like, when we are talking
about this, it's like we're in this period where I
just hope it's not going to be as bad as
the stuff I've read in Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
I hope that I'm not confident of that, because there's
literally no reason it wouldn't be. I just want to
say something really quickly though, about people's receptions of how
the election was going to go for alone time. Some
people were saying it's not close, it's uncertain, and right
that it was both, And I think that it's extraordinarily
(09:56):
important to point out that there have been massive global
trends against incumbency, and which is deeply unfair for many reasons,
because the reason where where we are now in some
ways is directly because of the malfeasance and incompetence of
the first Trump administration. But the United States, across every
(10:17):
economic indicator, it's fared better than every other country in
the developed world, and the margin in our election was
much much smaller than in any other as far as
I'm aware. So I don't think it was a mistake
at all to believe that Harris was going to pull
it out. She did extraordinarily well under very difficult circumstances.
(10:39):
And we now know that it was people who made
up their minds late in the game who broke for
Donald because of massive amounts of disinformation that we're being
pumped in. So I don't think we were wrong quite honestly.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Right, No, now I agree, and I feel like I
was wrong about certain things, and I saw things that
I ignored and actually about this but I agree that
it was certainly much closer than it was anywhere else.
And also, I mean, they're just any number of things
that are important or remember here. And also Democrats did
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in almost all the swing states except for Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Keep the Senate seed.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
That's something really important to keep in mind. And the
other important thing to keep in mind. I guess it
doesn't matter, it really matter, but it matters to me
because we have a huge uphill battle to climb now.
Donald Trump one does not have a mandate. He didn't
even break fifty percent of the popular vote. The margin
is the smallest it's been in modern history because remember
(11:41):
Gore won the popular.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Vote right exactly.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
It is the smallest margin of popular vote victory. And
in my view, he's an illegitimate president because he was
an illegitimate candidate, and the fact that he was able
to run it all speaks less to his ability to
overcome obstacles than it does to how deeply broken the
system is that somebody like him was allowed to run
(12:07):
in the first place.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
A good point, this is something that I've sort of
gotten to in my head, is that if you look
at the election results, we see that it's like what
Trump did was the same thing he did in twenty
twenty and twenty sixteen, which was he was able to
create his own thing right and get non voters voting,
(12:31):
And we can sort of unpack how he did that,
though I don't think we totally get I don't think
we have completely all the information yet. But I think
that if you compare it to like, there's so much
punitrary about like the Democratic.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Brand being bad, but I don't actually think that's right.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I actually think I think Democrats didn't do enough to
get their base engaged and try too hard to win
over Republicans who weren't white on college educated women who
weren't coming along with it anyway.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I also think that there's a real.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Theory of the case that the brand that is worst
off is a publican brand.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Absolutely, it's absurd to claim otherwise. And I think this
falls under the umbrella of normalization of corporate media in particular,
always coming down to the disadvantage of Democrats to normalize
Donald and everything that the Republican Party has been doing,
(13:31):
because you know, treating this election like it was a
normal election and saying that the Democrats lost because their
brand is terrible they have to, you know, burshe the
party and rebuild it from the ground up.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Right. It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
It's completely crazy because again they barely lost. Okay, you know,
we do make the electoral College calculations, which unfortunately we
have to do. It was what two hundred and twenty
five votes in seven states or something. So that's just
absurd on its face. And it also completely ignores the
(14:10):
fact that the Republicans nominated an adjudicated rapist, a man
who was convicted of thirty four felonies, who started the
Big Lie, who had incited an insurrection against his own government,
who was out on bail and three other jurisdictions, and
who is where he is today simply because our system
is so deeply, deeply corrupt that one federal judge and
(14:34):
six illegitiate members of the Supreme Court decided that he
was above the law.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
But I also think just one last part of this,
like when you look at the numbers, you see that,
in fact, voters did this crazy thing where in a
lot of these swing states they voted for Trump and
then they left the bottom of the ticket blank.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Right, Or there was more splitting of tickets than usual,
or there was some very odd, very voting patterns that
I think need to be taken into account or you know,
need to be not investigated, but examined analyzed, because that's
information we need to have, like what happened there? What
is that about? But the other thing that I completely
(15:15):
forgot to mention is that, you know, this isn't about
the Democratic brand. This is about the fact that this
the United States of America, continues to be a deeply
racist and misogynistic country. You've got sixty percent of white
men and fifty three percent of white women voting for
this adjudicated rapist, voting for the men who is proud
(15:36):
to have made women in half of our state's second
class citizens, who is proud to take away a fundamental
right that women have had for over fifty years simply
because his opponent was a black woman. We can't just
skip over that, because that continues to be a fundamental
problem that is not getting fixed.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yes, but I'm wondering, can we talk about like what
we do now with Trump? So sorry, I always forget
that we have to cover him because he's the president.
We don't have to give him the benefit of the
doubt because we covered him for four years.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Do you feel like that is the way to do it?
I mean, what do you think.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
I don't think I've ever met anybody who deserves the
benefit of the doubt less Donald Trump right exactly. Yes,
we have to cover him, and we have to cover
him properly because we're already seeing many of the corporate
media falling down one because there was just a pole taking.
And the majority of Americans think that the transition is
going swimmingly.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh no, really, really, what is it? What is the
swimming part of it?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
They like his picks, you know, they like dominees. Maybe
some of them like the fact that he's not going
to demean himself by blowing procede jerk.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah, by letting his cabinet appointments be it. Yeah,
that's terrible. And nobody wants that.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Signing the memoranda of understanding, which gives the GSA power
to make sure that there's no grift happening or no
barn money being illicitly raised, etcetera, etcetera. So he's not
any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, Yeah, nobody likes that.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
I think we need to cover him absolutely so that
we can disabuse people of these notions. That does not, however,
mean making it easier for him, like the idea I
was talking to somebody earlier about, you know, access journalism,
and what is the point of interviewing Donald Trump at
this He's just going to lie to your face and
(17:43):
try to, you know, tear down anybody in the media
who thwarts him or who fact checks him, or what
have you. I think he needs to be covered like
a hostile foreign power, because he is one, right.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I also think that it's sort of an interesting like.
I mean, I do think, look, they have to cover him,
and coverage means that could mean any number of things, right,
But you.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Know, and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I mean, I'm of two minds about interviewing him, because
you certainly have to talk to the people around him.
You're going to get stories that way. Trump's White House
leaks like a sieve. The only way that any of
the norms and institutions are going to hold is if
people are leaking out some of the nefarious stuff they're doing,
which delightfully they all love to do. So, I mean,
(18:32):
I'm very conflicted about sort of the right way to
go about this, And there is no handbook for covering
an authoritarian and in what's left of a democracy.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
No, I think we'll know more when we see what
happens with the White House Press Office. You know, when
we see who gets press passes, who doesn't, who gets
better seating, who doesn't. You know, who gets pushed to
the back of the room, who's allowed to the first
two rows? Is a NEWSMAC and more of Fox people
and Charlie Kirk and those people I know, people who
(19:06):
probably aren't going to going to get press passes this Cybern.
That'll be a good cue for what how we handle it.
But and I mean this is this has been true
for a long time. We need stronger independent media. There
are two things that continue to mystify me and have
for a long time. Why the Democrats haven't for decades
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now made the Supreme Court more important issue, and why
there's nobody on the left throwing tons of money at
independent media. And then there's a new third thing, which
is why the Democrats did absolutely nothing to create safeguards
against the potential for another Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, all right, sounds right to me.
I mean yeah, I mean, I it certainly sounds right
to me. I also am just shocked that we're hearing
at I mean, now is the other thing dead? And
I also feel I mean, I don't know how this happened.
I mean, I do know how this happened, and I
(20:07):
do know, but I also feel like Trump ran on
this idea of making things less expensive, and now the
first thing he's going to do is tariffs.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Yeah, he lied about He lied about everything, and he
was allowed to lie about everything because we were told, well,
that's what he does that dial it's a big did right,
It's all just big.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
So oh, he hates women and he abuses them and
assaults them. Yeah, but we knew that already. Who cares
like every single disqualifying thing about it? We were told
that we just have to accept. So what do you
do right, Like, how do you make any distinctions anymore? So, yes,
he's going to do exactly the opposite. This is going
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to be a cacistocracy, a kleptocracy in an oligarchy all
rolled into one, a little bit of a theocratic apartheid
states just for fun.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, well the theocracy as the granddaughter of a leftist communist.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
That stuff really bothers me.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I mean it all bothers me, But that the Jim
Crow stuff and the religious extremists stuff really gets to me.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
And that's going under the radar because the economy of
the economy of the economy, which was covered so poorly
that people actually thought we were better off four years
ago than we are now.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
But some of it was poor carverage and some of
it was people just don't go to the news anymore, right,
I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Or they get it from places that just lie to them.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Right exactly. Oh, Mary Trump.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Well they jus feel better now.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
No, I don't feel better.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
What else are you looking at right now? What else
are you thinking about? What else are you reading?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Can we do two minutes on what we're watching on television?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (21:49):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I am watching Bad Sisters and it is really great.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Had you seen it the first season already?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
No?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Oh okay, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's so good. What are you watching on television or reading?
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Or I am watching so much more television than usual,
But I don't know way they gets in the background.
It's all like I'm reading Murder Mysteries and I'm watching
shows like you know, it's all BBC stuff pretty much.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, that's class respect.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
I had been watching Slowhorses, which is amazing. But in
terms of just my murder mystery phase I'm in, there's
this new thing called the Marlow Murder Club, which is
just silly and adorable stuff like that. I'm also watching
an Australian show which is so unlike not not because
it's Australian, but what it's about. It's called Under the Vines.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Oh fabulous.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
It's just this sweet little show about two people who
come together because they both inherited a vineyard. Yeah, it's
just you know, That's what I'm doing because everything else
is very hard.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yes, Mary, thank you for joining me.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Thanks for having them Alla hanging there. We're gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Ryan Broderick is the editor of the newsletter.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
On Garbage Day. Welcome to Fast Politics.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
Ryan, thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I'm very excited because I am a longtime caller, first
time listener.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
No, i am as well for you, I'm a first
time caller. I'm the right version of what you said also,
but for you that's true.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, so tell everyone what you do.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You're really brilliant.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And just for the people who are older like my
dad who don't know about cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Sorry dad, go.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
So my name is Ryan Broderick. I write a newsletter
called Garbage Day, and I host a podcast called Panic World,
and I mainly specialize in how the Internet is turning
all the brains into mashed potatoes. That's sort of my beat.
So Internet culture, technology, memes, trends, whatever, whatever is needed.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
On the day, Andrew Breitbart had a quote that politics
was downstream of culture. Yes he did, And my hottest
take is that politics is downstream of Internet.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
I think in the last four years everything has slowly
become downstream of the Internet in a way. I think
that is true, and I think politics was probably the
first to go at some point around twenty fifteen, probably,
but everything else has now followed suit, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I would love you.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
To explain an example of politics being downstream of Internet.
My example would be Donald J. Trump and how he
won in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
So I would say, definitely how he won in twenty sixteen.
I am skeptical about twenty twenty four. I'm still sort
of processing it.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Explain.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
I think the Internet played a big role in propaganda
for him. I'm not sure if it actually mobilized voters,
but I think a twenty twenty four example that would
be interesting was perhaps the miscalculation of the Democrats on
the power of the pop girlies, so Charlie XCX, chapel Ron,
Taylor Swift kind of attaching themselves to a very TikTok
friendly campaign. And I think what we sa I saw
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this time around was actually the conversations that people were
having about politics in America were happening on text messages.
They were happening in group chats, dark social That's where
Trump was sort of playing I think his best ground game, right,
like destroying your phone with clips of Kamala that's kind
of thing. So, but I'm on the fence. I could
be persuaded. I haven't made up my mind yet.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I really love having you on because this is something
that no one has said to me.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Really, I'm on this weird like post.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Mortem What I Got Wrong tour where I wrote about
everything I got wrong, and then I tried to ask
people what I got wrong, And now I sort of
want to know what everybody else got wrong. And literally
no one has made this suggestion to me. So I
want you to spend another minute talking about it because
it's meaningful and important. So and it explained us the
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difference between the sort of outward facing Internet and the
kind of inward facing Internet.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Sure, I've been thinking about this because it's part of
my post mortem because I was spending the summer being
like she's got it, Like this is so good. I
love this. It's like, Okay, it didn't matter. Why didn't
it matter?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Right, same exactly. I was like, we're gonna know. Early
I was on television and I was like, I think
it's all gonna have and Matt Rachel Mattow is like,
really gave me. Yeah, she gave me like you're gonna
be okay, pep talk because I was like, had seen
a ghost and she was like, you're gonna be okay.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
I think Rachel Maddow is correct. So okay. The first
thing is like public versus private Internet, Right, So ten
years ago, I think it was much more robust. So
you had Facebook as the biggest public platform, and then
you had Facebook actually in a lot of ways being
downstream once again of Twitter, which is I always sort
of think of as the tip of the iceberg of
the Internet. It's small, but it's influential. You can kind
of see the patterns and rhythms of the Internet. There
(26:39):
but there's a bunch of other platforms Instagram, read it
all that. Then you have private internet, which I think
was more popular in other countries before it was popular
in America because you have platforms like WhatsApp, telegram, signal.
During the pandemic, I think Americans kind of actually really
embraced what is called dark socials. So this is like
email publishing, text messages, group chat, discord, and where I
(27:02):
have seen sort of the most interesting points made about
the Trump digital campaign is that he seemed to be
very focused on text messages, podcasting another dark social platform,
because you can't really see who's listening to your podcast, right.
He seemed to be tapping into that a lot more
than trying to go viral on TikTok or something, which
would be the sort of the twenty twenties version of Facebook,
the sort of mega platform everybody's on now, and it
(27:23):
seemed to work. So my theory is that like that
must be where people were sort of talking to each
other more honestly, Whereas I think ten years ago people
were being like in the comments on Facebook, fighting about
politics very well. I think that conversation has moved to
private spaces now, so.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Does that mean that there is a whole politics discourse
that we're not seeing.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
It's possible. And I am on the fence about this,
like I do wonder, okay, if it's not happening there,
where is it happening? Like when I woke up the
morning after the election, I saw that he won the
plot their vote, My first thought was like, all right, well,
there's no arguing with this one, like you know, okay,
So then my next question is where did people this that?
Like where was that happening? And you know, it could
be that just people are out in bars and restaurants
(28:04):
and physical spaces, but I have to imagine there's a
digital trail there. And so my last guess is, like
that conversation is happening in private digital spaces.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
And in fact, I did go to campaign headquarters in Wilmington, Delaware,
which was, by the way, the most difficult assignment I've
ever done.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Like they didn't want to have me.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I was given like three minutes with each person, and
it was very like it was it felt very controlled.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
For Trump or for Harris, for Harris, for Harris, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Trump, I mean Trump campaign would not let me. Yeah,
it was like and the death threats were awesome. But
I went to the Harris campaign and one of the
things that people were talking to me about was this
idea that they were doing, like what app ads in
different networks about climate change, Like they had figured out
(28:58):
that there was a garden that gardening WhatsApp chat would
be a good place to talk about climate change.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
That's so such a Democrat idea. I love it. Plants, Yeah,
they like plants, right, they must want plants to live.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, the problem is, you know, it's like the Democrats,
they're the good guys, but unfortunately the good guys. I mean,
that's the thing about like just to get to superhero
movies for a minute, Like I know, in superhero movies,
the good guys win, but I see in American politics
that does not always happen or ever.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
Yeah, it does feel like ever for sure lately. I
mean the massive sort of slide to Trump this time around.
I think another interesting thing here is sort of I
think the millennial misunderstanding about gen Z's politics. We sort
of like welcome them like the saviors of the human race,
and it turns out they're all like addicted to gambling
and like don't like women. And comple outside.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
They want flavored vapes.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
They love vaping. They love vaping. Once we got rid
of the flavored jewels, they're like, I'm voting for Trump.
This is too much government regulation for me.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It's right, flavored jewels. I mean that really?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
So gen Z, how old are they and why are
they ruining our lives?
Speaker 7 (30:11):
I think the cutoff right now is what like twenty
six or twenty seven something like that, and.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
They're all Trumpers.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
They do seem to be a little more conservative, and
I've heard a bunch of different explanations for why, Like
was it too much zoom school during the pandemic? Was
it online dating destroying like, you know, physical interactions. I
don't really know. I do think we tend to assume
that they're the ones making all of the gen Z
content we're seeing online, when actually it's like millennials, and
I think that they're I call them the lurker generation.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think the millennial I.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Am I'm a dead center in the middle.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah what am I?
Speaker 3 (30:42):
You and R R Zennils were on the cusp of
millennial and gen X.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
That's a good place to be.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
No, it's not.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
That's good. You still remember when TV was good. Yeah,
that's true. I call gen Z the lurker generation. I
think they consume a lot of Internet content, but they
don't particularly make it. And I think if you imagine,
let's say you are twenty six right now, so you
are sixteen when Trump became president, that means the most
formative years of your sort of media diet have been
(31:11):
shaped by a post Trump world. And so when I
think of like a gen Z kid growing up in
you know, a red pilled manosphere centric Internet, it's not
super surprising to me that they might have conservative views
of the world because they just they've never seen a
different version of the Internet, right, all right.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
They've never seen a different version of the Internet. Where
are they seeing this version of the internet.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Based on what I've seen, what I've read about Now, you're.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
An expert, listen, right, you're an expert here. You're allowed
to be an expert. Just go for it.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
No, but I always try to sort of make sure
I'm up to date here, TikTok, Instagram, and Snapchat if
you're a little younger or still in school. So that
seems to be the major three.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I just want to like do two seconds on TikTok.
TikTok is owned by the Chinese government.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
I mean it's only by dance, which is clearly you know,
under the thumb on the Chines.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Because yeah, and the album rhythm that the Americans get
are like bannarexi and hate women. And the algorithms that
the Chinese get our do school and be a hard work.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
Yeah, I will say, Okay, so you're you're probably talking
about Duian, which is sort of it's sort of like TikTok,
but it's not. It's a I call it like a
sister app or a cousin app. It's it is a
different app.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Can we get that app here?
Speaker 7 (32:21):
I've used it. It's I mean, I watched a Chinese
farmer cook. He deep fried a whole ostrich leg on
Duian and it was so fascinating. It was massive. I
think the Chinese algorithm is probably better.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, it was very big. It was a very big
Did they take the feathers off?
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Yeah yeah, no, the whole thing. He prepared it like
a chicken wing, but it was a size of an ostrich.
It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
That's amazing.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
Yeah. So I think the biggest misunderstanding what TikTok is
that Okay, you know how like Facebook, there would be
like a dog, for instance, that would go viral and
everyone on Facebook would see this dog or Gangham style.
We all knew Gangham style.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh I wish I didn't, but yes.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
Yeah, TikTok doesn't work that way. So your TikTok and
my TikTok never to shell me. It is totally personalized.
So yeah, it might trigger for somebody eating disorder content.
For other people, it might be like slime videos where
you like make slime.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh, so the eating disorder is just special for may Okay.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
I guess you might be getting the Osama bin laden letter,
but I might be getting isis propaganda? Like It's just
different for everybody.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
So so one of the things that I'm struck by
is I think that the grown ups, and I'm thinking
of like like sort of the Joe Biden crew may
have underestimated the power of TikTok.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
I have seen numerous like younger Internet users pointing out
the very clear irony of Kamala being like it's brat
summer on TikTok. Just don't pay attention to what Joe
Biden My literal president that I'm working for right now
wants to do to TikTok in six months, which is
ban it, right, So I do think they notice the
cognitive dissonance there. For sure.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
It is supposed to be banned in December, right, but
like make it make sense because Trump is.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Not going to ban it.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
No, Trump doesn't care. He doesn't care about TikTok at all.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
He doesn't care, but he also benefits from it.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
I think he benefits from doing the reverse of anything
Joe Biden wants to do right, especially early. So I
do think if Biden does go through with the band,
which last I read, I think the deadline for the
band so okay. The way I understand it works is
like Biden Dance has to divest TikTok by December, let's
say mid December, and if they don't buy that deadline
by January tenth, Biden bans it. So it could be
(34:32):
a situation where they missed the deadline and just sort
of try to keep it in the courts and then
Trump's like, yeah, we're good, Like you don't have the
you can stay. That's what I assume will have.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So this is one of my favorite things to complain
to members of Congress about they hate they really hate
me for doing this. One of the many things I
do that's very annoying is I get members of Congress
on the podcast and then I, because I am the
granddaughter of a communist, then spend all this time complaining
that they are unable to regulate technology, and then they
say things like well and.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Give some very unsatisfying answer.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Sure, now that period of American life is over, right,
because on January twenty first, Trump is going to come
in there and they are not going to regulate anything
ever again.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's all good. Well unless like some China
hawk gets in his year about like Hawaii or something.
But yeah, I don't think it's really going to happen
in a meaningful way for a long time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
So, and we're going to have a boom of AI
which is going to replace all of us likely hopefully go.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
A clippy for everybody.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, okay, explain what a clippy is.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
It's a little paper clip and Microsoft word and now
we have like a very expensive version that destroys the
planet every time you make a generate pornography for you.
It's great, it's the future. We all want it, and.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
It's what Elon Musk is going to put in all
our brains.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
It's right, Yeah, the Department of Government Efficiency, which has
two bosses, very efficient.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Right, It's so efficient they needed two people to leave it.
And Marjorie Taylor Green in Congress because this that's great.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
I love that. That's super fun for it's funny.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
The movie version of it can never ever compete.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
Go on, Sorry, I think the closest movie I've seen
to our current political situation is like Death of Stalin.
I think you've got to kind of like abstract it,
you know, so he you don't notice the similarities.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Thanksgiving is Death of Stallin exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
No, But in terms of tech regulation under Trump, he
is interesting because, like he got fixated on Fortnite during
his first administration and he really wanted to ban Fortnite,
and I always heard the rumor that it was because
he caught Baron playing it too much, and I always
sort of liked that idea, like that's why he's an
anti Fortnite. I mean, he's a he's a demagogue, so
he'll he'll pick random stuff to just like get upset about.
(36:41):
So who knows, like he might just like discover technology
in the next four years, like we got to get
rid of it for like no reason. You know, that's
just life under a dictatorship.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
We laugh to keep from crime exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Okay, So I want you to this is a thing
I've been thinking about a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
And these people love technology, right.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Elon Musk made billions of dollars in government subsidies. Yeah,
ilady abound and also on technology.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
But they hate science, right. Huh. Explain this to me.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Okay, so they like technology. The kind of crew you're
talking about, the Peter Tails that Ela Musks are bosses.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, that they see you are about to run the
federal government.
Speaker 7 (37:22):
They are very obsessed with this idea that they sometimes
refer to as like the Dark Enlightenment or the network state.
It's it's essentially just like libertarianism run by computers. And
they believe that the CEO curtisey Arvin, Yeah, that kind
of stuff, right, Okay. I don't think Trump has any
idea what any of that means, because, like, I don't
think Trump is very online. If you told me Trump
can't read, like, I believe you, like I believe that
(37:44):
he's not. I saw a video where he's just he's
he's the one dictating his tweets to some woman who's
writing them down, so like it's possible he doesn't know
how to read. So I don't think he's like this
four chance Fengali guy. I think he's just like a guy.
He's a poster. Yeah, but the text of you know,
they have his ear and they basically just want to smash,
you know, any sort of federal regulations, any sort of
(38:05):
federal protections. And that's why they like technology and they
don't like science. I mean, they don't like regulations based
in science. So that's why they want you to drink
raw milk and do get bird flu because like they
don't want to have to deal with regulations. I think
it's just a tax thing basically, yep, money.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Thing, right, it's probably just a tax thing.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Though.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Raw milk is Have you had it?
Speaker 7 (38:26):
Is it good?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
No? I haven't had it milk. I just have skim milk.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
I cannot have rough. I will die. I will fork
to death.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
It's delicious.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
One of my kids has is lactose and he is
so mad at me. He's like, you did this to.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Me When we talk about this lack of government regulation,
bird flu raw Milk, I want you to talk for
one second about the possibility that RFK Junior may have
actually delivered a lot of women voter to Trump, because
this is a new theory I'm working through.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
I think you're dead on. I think the sort of
connection between the Woo Woo Yoga QAnon and RFK is
like a straight line through Facebook reels like it is
just like go on. I had this theory actually twenty
sixteen that like a lot of women voted for Trump
and then regretted it because they realized that a lot
of older women realized they had voted for their ex
husband essentially right, And I do believe a similar phenomenon
(39:26):
might be happening with RFK, where it's like this handsome
older man who like says crazy stuff, but like in
a fun kind of new agey way. I do think
that that's that's helpful for them. And I remember over
the summer ever, meaning like RFK might actually split the
vote for Trump. But I actually think they played it
pretty well.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Unfortunately, Yeah, they definitely played everything really well.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
It's funny because it's like.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I wrote something critical of RFK on Vanity Fair, RFK junior,
and I was swarmed by like very attractive women.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, I was like, why do you guys ca hair?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
And then it became clear to me once he won
that this man not only does he have a just
a horrific relationship with women on the macro or the micro,
he also has it on the macro.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
But he's very handsome, you know. He jumps off cliffs
without a shirt on. And he says stuff that people
on Facebook say in real life, which I think is
very attractive for like certain people in America.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
We're going to end on the he says things that
people say on Facebook in real life, right, yeah, which
is very attractive to America.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
You're going to have to come back.
Speaker 7 (40:36):
I would love to.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
And he.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Now added to the sorry I did it, I made it.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
No moment Jesse Cannon, Oh Molly.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
You know how I know? It's about day. It's the
second time we're having to discuss Laura Ingram.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
In one episode, Laura Ingram took aim a Republican micro.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
You may remember Mike Rounds from nothing.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
How can you talk about a Republican senator from South
Dakota as nothing?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Jesus nothing. You may remember him from nothing?
Speaker 1 (41:10):
So this political article that Ingram shared reported on Rounds,
who is from South Dakota, but who Ingram is mad about,
and so she's made him from North Dakota, that he
was trying to reassure us ally as well. At the Congress.
Round said he spent the weekend working to reset the stage.
(41:31):
Let everybody know that everything is going to be okay,
and that we're moving forward and there is consistency within
the Senate. We believe there will be consistency within the House,
and we welcome back former President Trump. Look, Laura Ingram
wants a dictatorship on day one, maybe because who knows.
(41:51):
But checks and balances are good. And I'm not a
big fan of Mike Rounds.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Actually that's not true. He might be great. Nobody even knows,
has anyone ever met.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
But I do think that Mike Grounds is doing the
right thing here, and he's trying to provide checks and balances.
That actually is the job of Senate right, advise and consent. Right,
they are supposed to be checking out these nominees.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
That's what they're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
So Lauringram is wrong yet again, and Mike Grounds is correct.
Trump is not a North Korean dictator. He has checks
and balances, just like everyone else.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
That's it for.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
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Speaker 2 (42:50):
Thanks for listening.
Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
today's best minds. And two thirds of Americans think Trump's
tariffs will lead to higher prices.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
The other third don't know where they are. That's according
to Poles.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
We have such a great show for you today, the
Mary Trump Shows. Mary Trump stops by to talk about
how her uncle is going to destroy America. Then we
will talk to Garbage Days Ryan Broderick about politics being
downstream from internet culture and what that means.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
For our political future. Spoiler it's bad. But first the
news Somalia.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
As we were alluding to the intro to this, I
think some people don't know what tariffs are, despite the
fact that I feel like we've been discussing them for
half a year at this point, at minimum, if we
didn't learn this in school. But I'm going to shock
you here. Eric Trump does not know what tariffs do.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
What it cannot be uh.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Here he is with Warre Grimman. He's gonna show us.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You want to drugs to come through our southern border,
We're going to tarif you you want to allow them
come through Canada, We're gonna teify China. If you're gonna
allow this stuff to get sold in our country, largely
produced in China, we're gonna add another ten percent.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
To your chair.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
We are gonna cost your countries, your economies.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
We're gonna cost.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Your businesses billions, hundreds of billions at dollars. If you
think you're gonna pair you know terror, you're going to
poison Americans. It's not gonna happen. You're not gonna destroy
your youth. You're not gonna destroy our society. You're not
gonna destroy our families. You're not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It's going to cost you.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I'm gonna put an end to it.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Laura.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
When my father sent that twenty minutes ago, I literally
cheered out loud.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I want to talk about the second son, the drama
of the second side.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You better watch it. He might tear a few.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yes, he's gonna he's reading his father's tweets. All he
wants is for his father to love him, and instead
all he gets are his tweets, and he says, yay, Dad.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Do you think your kids ever read your tweets? And
stand up and cheer?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
No? I want to talk about this.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Tariffs do make things more expensive, yes, but the people
selling the drugs are not the Chinese government, right, they
understand that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Right, They're not the exporters and importers of.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Fent and all.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I mean, look, man, Trump was elected to make everything
less expensive, and so he's going to make everything more
expensive by putting tariffs on it, including fent and al.
You're not going to be able to get a cheap
vent and all anywhere. Just kidding, No, no, don't get
vent and all. Don't take drugs. Also, don't tariff everything,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Just say no to tariffs and drugs.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Tariffs drugs, no, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
All right, Molly, let's talk about the elephant of stupidity
in the room. Trump got away with everything.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, he did.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
That's the top line here is that Jack Smith has
made it official's over. He's dismissing the case without prejudice,
so it could theoretically be opened up again. But let's
be honest. I think that we all know this is
the end of the law trying to hold Trump accountable.
I mean, I don't think any of us should be surprised,
(03:16):
but I do think the one thing I will say
is that people put too much faith, and.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
By people, I mean me as well.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I'm not some you know, if we've learned anything from
his election, it's that I, you know, just have the
same sort of I'm wrong too infallible for sure. But
I think that we definitely saw that a lot of
people really thought that the law would hold Trump accountable
(03:45):
for some of the ways he evaded accountability, and it
was unable to.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, that sounds about right. So here's a blast for
the past. Do you perhaps remember a bunch of not
so fine people named No Labels?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I yes, No Labels, Nancy Jacobson and the former Clinton
pollster Mark Penn, who went on to start No Labels
and get a lot of money from a lot of
different people, threatening to run a third party candidate, which
they never did.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
But they are still salty.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, they seem pretty salty. They launched this big glossuit.
What are you seeing here?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
This should not be surprising because it's so stupid, but
it is maybe a little surprising. So No Labels is
going after Reid Hoffman and Third Way because they feel
that they were insufficiently supportive of.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
The candidate they never ran. I mean, this is like.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
If we had run a candidate, you would have been bad.
So they're trying to get a legal discovery going exposing
the secret machinations that they think led to their project's demise. Again,
I'm not sure how this works, but it does seem
like an enormous waste of time for all parties involved.
And we'll see what happens. But you know, No Labels
(05:04):
continues to be up to no good.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Now we get to what seems to be a mandatory
section of this podcast, which is what dumb shit is
Elon up to.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
When we last saw Elon mush Or, as Donald Trump
calls him Leon, he was jumping up and down and
exposing his stomach, forming his body in the shape of
an X, and complaining bitterly about how mean the mainstream
media was to him. You will be shocked to hear that,
in fact, he is still complaining about the mainstream media.
(05:37):
But this is an interesting media issue because it is
Elon Musk versus Rupert Murdoch. So Trump is billionaire's biggest supporter,
richest man in the world, is furious at legacy media,
this time the Wall Street Journal, owned by Rupert Murdoch,
which is unbelievably ironic and hilarious. So they have a
(06:02):
big piece that dropped on Monday night which was about
the environmental problems at his Tesla facility in Texas. I
just want to say that the headline is Musk says
he wants to save the planet, Teslass factories are making
it dirtier, and then he captioned it writing, legacy media
is a sewer pipe of lies. This is a team
(06:25):
who have won Pulitzerprises. They are pretty smart and careful.
It's hard for me to imagine that Walter Journal does
some of the best reporting going and Elon is furious
because look the reason they don't the reason and again, like,
this is the thing I would say to those of
us who are on the more liberal side when we
(06:47):
critique the mainstream media, is like, the mainstream media is
actually trying to keep these people accountable, and without them,
you will never know about the dirty Tesla factory or
the dumping this waste in the river. And so the
reason that Elon is at war with the mainstream media
(07:10):
is because he doesn't want people reporting stuff. He just
wants Tesla fans one, two, three news and Maga News four, five,
six and so it is really important to realize, like
this is real and in fact, his mother, you may
remember May Musk, has been going on television to complain
(07:31):
about how unfair it is that people are mean to
her son, who happens to be the richest man in
the entire world.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Real mom going to the principal's office to clean up
the best of a shitty kid.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
De energy going on right there, Yeah, Aze and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Mary Trump is the host of The Mary Trump Show
and the author of Who Could Ever Love You? A
family memoir. Welcome back to Fast Politics, Mary Trump, thank
you for having me, Molly joc Fast, I love you,
and we are real friends.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
You know, we're in the woods right now. We're in November.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You know, we're not in the second Trump admin yet,
but we're starting to get a feel of the insanity
that we all remember from twenty sixteen, the sheer chaoticness
of it.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah, with the recognition because we've been paying attention that
this is going to be much worse.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yes, exactly, and in fact, we were talking about this
just now, Like there are definitely people in our business,
in the media industrial complex, and I think like one
of the things I'm struck by is like I wrote
about getting a lot of the election wrong, or at
least I thought Harris was going to win, and I
got that wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And there were other things I got wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
And I've spent a lot of time like thinking about
the ways in which wish casting overwhelmed my I for data,
you know, stuff like that. But I want to be
clear eyed and like the truth is. And people say
this to me. Sometimes they'll be like, well, didn't you
guys all want them to win? And I'm like, I
did not, But there are definitely people who work in
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the mainstream media who did.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Well, then what, as I said, be careful what you
wish for. It's not going to end well for a
lot of people.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It's not going to end well for anyone.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And it's funny because it's like, when we are talking
about this, it's like we're in this period where I
just hope it's not going to be as bad as
the stuff I've read in Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
I hope that I'm not confident of that, because there's
literally no reason it wouldn't be. I just want to
say something really quickly though, about people's receptions of how
the election was going to go for alone time. Some
people were saying it's not close, it's uncertain, and right
that it was both, And I think that it's extraordinarily
(09:56):
important to point out that there have been massive global
trends against incumbency, and which is deeply unfair for many reasons,
because the reason where where we are now in some
ways is directly because of the malfeasance and incompetence of
the first Trump administration. But the United States, across every
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economic indicator, it's fared better than every other country in
the developed world, and the margin in our election was
much much smaller than in any other as far as
I'm aware. So I don't think it was a mistake
at all to believe that Harris was going to pull
it out. She did extraordinarily well under very difficult circumstances.
(10:39):
And we now know that it was people who made
up their minds late in the game who broke for
Donald because of massive amounts of disinformation that we're being
pumped in. So I don't think we were wrong quite honestly.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Right, No, now I agree, and I feel like I
was wrong about certain things, and I saw things that
I ignored and actually about this but I agree that
it was certainly much closer than it was anywhere else.
And also, I mean, they're just any number of things
that are important or remember here. And also Democrats did
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in almost all the swing states except for Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Keep the Senate seed.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
That's something really important to keep in mind. And the
other important thing to keep in mind. I guess it
doesn't matter, it really matter, but it matters to me
because we have a huge uphill battle to climb now.
Donald Trump one does not have a mandate. He didn't
even break fifty percent of the popular vote. The margin
is the smallest it's been in modern history because remember
(11:41):
Gore won the popular.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Vote right exactly.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
It is the smallest margin of popular vote victory. And
in my view, he's an illegitimate president because he was
an illegitimate candidate, and the fact that he was able
to run it all speaks less to his ability to
overcome obstacles than it does to how deeply broken the
system is that somebody like him was allowed to run
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in the first place.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
A good point, this is something that I've sort of
gotten to in my head, is that if you look
at the election results, we see that it's like what
Trump did was the same thing he did in twenty
twenty and twenty sixteen, which was he was able to
create his own thing right and get non voters voting,
(12:31):
And we can sort of unpack how he did that,
though I don't think we totally get I don't think
we have completely all the information yet. But I think
that if you compare it to like, there's so much
punitrary about like the Democratic.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Brand being bad, but I don't actually think that's right.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I actually think I think Democrats didn't do enough to
get their base engaged and try too hard to win
over Republicans who weren't white on college educated women who
weren't coming along with it anyway.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I also think that there's a real.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Theory of the case that the brand that is worst
off is a publican brand.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Absolutely, it's absurd to claim otherwise. And I think this
falls under the umbrella of normalization of corporate media in particular,
always coming down to the disadvantage of Democrats to normalize
Donald and everything that the Republican Party has been doing,
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because you know, treating this election like it was a
normal election and saying that the Democrats lost because their
brand is terrible they have to, you know, burshe the
party and rebuild it from the ground up.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Right. It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
It's completely crazy because again they barely lost. Okay, you know,
we do make the electoral College calculations, which unfortunately we
have to do. It was what two hundred and twenty
five votes in seven states or something. So that's just
absurd on its face. And it also completely ignores the
(14:10):
fact that the Republicans nominated an adjudicated rapist, a man
who was convicted of thirty four felonies, who started the
Big Lie, who had incited an insurrection against his own government,
who was out on bail and three other jurisdictions, and
who is where he is today simply because our system
is so deeply, deeply corrupt that one federal judge and
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six illegitiate members of the Supreme Court decided that he
was above the law.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
But I also think just one last part of this,
like when you look at the numbers, you see that,
in fact, voters did this crazy thing where in a
lot of these swing states they voted for Trump and
then they left the bottom of the ticket blank.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Right, Or there was more splitting of tickets than usual,
or there was some very odd, very voting patterns that
I think need to be taken into account or you know,
need to be not investigated, but examined analyzed, because that's
information we need to have, like what happened there? What
is that about? But the other thing that I completely
(15:15):
forgot to mention is that, you know, this isn't about
the Democratic brand. This is about the fact that this
the United States of America, continues to be a deeply
racist and misogynistic country. You've got sixty percent of white
men and fifty three percent of white women voting for
this adjudicated rapist, voting for the men who is proud
(15:36):
to have made women in half of our state's second
class citizens, who is proud to take away a fundamental
right that women have had for over fifty years simply
because his opponent was a black woman. We can't just
skip over that, because that continues to be a fundamental
problem that is not getting fixed.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yes, but I'm wondering, can we talk about like what
we do now with Trump? So sorry, I always forget
that we have to cover him because he's the president.
We don't have to give him the benefit of the
doubt because we covered him for four years.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Do you feel like that is the way to do it?
I mean, what do you think.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
I don't think I've ever met anybody who deserves the
benefit of the doubt less Donald Trump right exactly. Yes,
we have to cover him, and we have to cover
him properly because we're already seeing many of the corporate
media falling down one because there was just a pole taking.
And the majority of Americans think that the transition is
going swimmingly.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh no, really, really, what is it? What is the
swimming part of it?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
They like his picks, you know, they like dominees. Maybe
some of them like the fact that he's not going
to demean himself by blowing procede jerk.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah, by letting his cabinet appointments be it. Yeah,
that's terrible. And nobody wants that.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Signing the memoranda of understanding, which gives the GSA power
to make sure that there's no grift happening or no
barn money being illicitly raised, etcetera, etcetera. So he's not
any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, Yeah, nobody likes that.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
I think we need to cover him absolutely so that
we can disabuse people of these notions. That does not, however,
mean making it easier for him, like the idea I
was talking to somebody earlier about, you know, access journalism,
and what is the point of interviewing Donald Trump at
this He's just going to lie to your face and
(17:43):
try to, you know, tear down anybody in the media
who thwarts him or who fact checks him, or what
have you. I think he needs to be covered like
a hostile foreign power, because he is one, right.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I also think that it's sort of an interesting like.
I mean, I do think, look, they have to cover him,
and coverage means that could mean any number of things, right,
But you.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Know, and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I mean, I'm of two minds about interviewing him, because
you certainly have to talk to the people around him.
You're going to get stories that way. Trump's White House
leaks like a sieve. The only way that any of
the norms and institutions are going to hold is if
people are leaking out some of the nefarious stuff they're doing,
which delightfully they all love to do. So, I mean,
(18:32):
I'm very conflicted about sort of the right way to
go about this, And there is no handbook for covering
an authoritarian and in what's left of a democracy.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
No, I think we'll know more when we see what
happens with the White House Press Office. You know, when
we see who gets press passes, who doesn't, who gets
better seating, who doesn't. You know, who gets pushed to
the back of the room, who's allowed to the first
two rows? Is a NEWSMAC and more of Fox people
and Charlie Kirk and those people I know, people who
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probably aren't going to going to get press passes this Cybern.
That'll be a good cue for what how we handle it.
But and I mean this is this has been true
for a long time. We need stronger independent media. There
are two things that continue to mystify me and have
for a long time. Why the Democrats haven't for decades
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now made the Supreme Court more important issue, and why
there's nobody on the left throwing tons of money at
independent media. And then there's a new third thing, which
is why the Democrats did absolutely nothing to create safeguards
against the potential for another Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, all right, sounds right to me.
I mean yeah, I mean, I it certainly sounds right
to me. I also am just shocked that we're hearing
at I mean, now is the other thing dead? And
I also feel I mean, I don't know how this happened.
I mean, I do know how this happened, and I
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do know, but I also feel like Trump ran on
this idea of making things less expensive, and now the
first thing he's going to do is tariffs.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Yeah, he lied about He lied about everything, and he
was allowed to lie about everything because we were told, well,
that's what he does that dial it's a big did right,
It's all just big.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
So oh, he hates women and he abuses them and
assaults them. Yeah, but we knew that already. Who cares
like every single disqualifying thing about it? We were told
that we just have to accept. So what do you
do right, Like, how do you make any distinctions anymore? So, yes,
he's going to do exactly the opposite. This is going
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to be a cacistocracy, a kleptocracy in an oligarchy all
rolled into one, a little bit of a theocratic apartheid
states just for fun.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, well the theocracy as the granddaughter of a leftist communist.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
That stuff really bothers me.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I mean it all bothers me, But that the Jim
Crow stuff and the religious extremists stuff really gets to me.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
And that's going under the radar because the economy of
the economy of the economy, which was covered so poorly
that people actually thought we were better off four years
ago than we are now.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
But some of it was poor carverage and some of
it was people just don't go to the news anymore, right,
I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Or they get it from places that just lie to them.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Right exactly. Oh, Mary Trump.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Well they jus feel better now.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
No, I don't feel better.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
What else are you looking at right now? What else
are you thinking about? What else are you reading?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Can we do two minutes on what we're watching on television?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (21:49):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I am watching Bad Sisters and it is really great.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Had you seen it the first season already?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
No?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Oh okay, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's so good. What are you watching on television or reading?
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Or I am watching so much more television than usual,
But I don't know way they gets in the background.
It's all like I'm reading Murder Mysteries and I'm watching
shows like you know, it's all BBC stuff pretty much.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, that's class respect.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
I had been watching Slowhorses, which is amazing. But in
terms of just my murder mystery phase I'm in, there's
this new thing called the Marlow Murder Club, which is
just silly and adorable stuff like that. I'm also watching
an Australian show which is so unlike not not because
it's Australian, but what it's about. It's called Under the Vines.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Oh fabulous.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
It's just this sweet little show about two people who
come together because they both inherited a vineyard. Yeah, it's
just you know, That's what I'm doing because everything else
is very hard.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yes, Mary, thank you for joining me.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Thanks for having them Alla hanging there. We're gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Ryan Broderick is the editor of the newsletter.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
On Garbage Day. Welcome to Fast Politics.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
Ryan, thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I'm very excited because I am a longtime caller, first
time listener.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
No, i am as well for you, I'm a first
time caller. I'm the right version of what you said also,
but for you that's true.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, so tell everyone what you do.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You're really brilliant.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And just for the people who are older like my
dad who don't know about cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Sorry dad, go.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
So my name is Ryan Broderick. I write a newsletter
called Garbage Day, and I host a podcast called Panic World,
and I mainly specialize in how the Internet is turning
all the brains into mashed potatoes. That's sort of my beat.
So Internet culture, technology, memes, trends, whatever, whatever is needed.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
On the day, Andrew Breitbart had a quote that politics
was downstream of culture. Yes he did, And my hottest
take is that politics is downstream of Internet.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
I think in the last four years everything has slowly
become downstream of the Internet in a way. I think
that is true, and I think politics was probably the
first to go at some point around twenty fifteen, probably,
but everything else has now followed suit, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I would love you.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
To explain an example of politics being downstream of Internet.
My example would be Donald J. Trump and how he
won in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
So I would say, definitely how he won in twenty sixteen.
I am skeptical about twenty twenty four. I'm still sort
of processing it.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Explain.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
I think the Internet played a big role in propaganda
for him. I'm not sure if it actually mobilized voters,
but I think a twenty twenty four example that would
be interesting was perhaps the miscalculation of the Democrats on
the power of the pop girlies, so Charlie XCX, chapel Ron,
Taylor Swift kind of attaching themselves to a very TikTok
friendly campaign. And I think what we sa I saw
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this time around was actually the conversations that people were
having about politics in America were happening on text messages.
They were happening in group chats, dark social That's where
Trump was sort of playing I think his best ground game, right,
like destroying your phone with clips of Kamala that's kind
of thing. So, but I'm on the fence. I could
be persuaded. I haven't made up my mind yet.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I really love having you on because this is something
that no one has said to me.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Really, I'm on this weird like post.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Mortem What I Got Wrong tour where I wrote about
everything I got wrong, and then I tried to ask
people what I got wrong, And now I sort of
want to know what everybody else got wrong. And literally
no one has made this suggestion to me. So I
want you to spend another minute talking about it because
it's meaningful and important. So and it explained us the
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difference between the sort of outward facing Internet and the
kind of inward facing Internet.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Sure, I've been thinking about this because it's part of
my post mortem because I was spending the summer being
like she's got it, Like this is so good. I
love this. It's like, Okay, it didn't matter. Why didn't
it matter?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Right, same exactly. I was like, we're gonna know. Early
I was on television and I was like, I think
it's all gonna have and Matt Rachel Mattow is like,
really gave me. Yeah, she gave me like you're gonna
be okay, pep talk because I was like, had seen
a ghost and she was like, you're gonna be okay.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
I think Rachel Maddow is correct. So okay. The first
thing is like public versus private Internet, Right, So ten
years ago, I think it was much more robust. So
you had Facebook as the biggest public platform, and then
you had Facebook actually in a lot of ways being
downstream once again of Twitter, which is I always sort
of think of as the tip of the iceberg of
the Internet. It's small, but it's influential. You can kind
of see the patterns and rhythms of the Internet. There
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but there's a bunch of other platforms Instagram, read it
all that. Then you have private internet, which I think
was more popular in other countries before it was popular
in America because you have platforms like WhatsApp, telegram, signal.
During the pandemic, I think Americans kind of actually really
embraced what is called dark socials. So this is like
email publishing, text messages, group chat, discord, and where I
(27:02):
have seen sort of the most interesting points made about
the Trump digital campaign is that he seemed to be
very focused on text messages, podcasting another dark social platform,
because you can't really see who's listening to your podcast, right.
He seemed to be tapping into that a lot more
than trying to go viral on TikTok or something, which
would be the sort of the twenty twenties version of Facebook,
the sort of mega platform everybody's on now, and it
(27:23):
seemed to work. So my theory is that like that
must be where people were sort of talking to each
other more honestly, Whereas I think ten years ago people
were being like in the comments on Facebook, fighting about
politics very well. I think that conversation has moved to
private spaces now, so.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Does that mean that there is a whole politics discourse
that we're not seeing.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
It's possible. And I am on the fence about this,
like I do wonder, okay, if it's not happening there,
where is it happening? Like when I woke up the
morning after the election, I saw that he won the
plot their vote, My first thought was like, all right, well,
there's no arguing with this one, like you know, okay,
So then my next question is where did people this that?
Like where was that happening? And you know, it could
be that just people are out in bars and restaurants
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and physical spaces, but I have to imagine there's a
digital trail there. And so my last guess is, like
that conversation is happening in private digital spaces.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
And in fact, I did go to campaign headquarters in Wilmington, Delaware,
which was, by the way, the most difficult assignment I've
ever done.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Like they didn't want to have me.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I was given like three minutes with each person, and
it was very like it was it felt very controlled.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
For Trump or for Harris, for Harris, for Harris, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Trump, I mean Trump campaign would not let me. Yeah,
it was like and the death threats were awesome. But
I went to the Harris campaign and one of the
things that people were talking to me about was this
idea that they were doing, like what app ads in
different networks about climate change, Like they had figured out
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that there was a garden that gardening WhatsApp chat would
be a good place to talk about climate change.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
That's so such a Democrat idea. I love it. Plants, Yeah,
they like plants, right, they must want plants to live.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, the problem is, you know, it's like the Democrats,
they're the good guys, but unfortunately the good guys. I mean,
that's the thing about like just to get to superhero
movies for a minute, Like I know, in superhero movies,
the good guys win, but I see in American politics
that does not always happen or ever.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
Yeah, it does feel like ever for sure lately. I
mean the massive sort of slide to Trump this time around.
I think another interesting thing here is sort of I
think the millennial misunderstanding about gen Z's politics. We sort
of like welcome them like the saviors of the human race,
and it turns out they're all like addicted to gambling
and like don't like women. And comple outside.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
They want flavored vapes.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
They love vaping. They love vaping. Once we got rid
of the flavored jewels, they're like, I'm voting for Trump.
This is too much government regulation for me.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It's right, flavored jewels. I mean that really?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
So gen Z, how old are they and why are
they ruining our lives?
Speaker 7 (30:11):
I think the cutoff right now is what like twenty
six or twenty seven something like that, and.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
They're all Trumpers.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
They do seem to be a little more conservative, and
I've heard a bunch of different explanations for why, Like
was it too much zoom school during the pandemic? Was
it online dating destroying like, you know, physical interactions. I
don't really know. I do think we tend to assume
that they're the ones making all of the gen Z
content we're seeing online, when actually it's like millennials, and
I think that they're I call them the lurker generation.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think the millennial I.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Am I'm a dead center in the middle.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah what am I?
Speaker 3 (30:42):
You and R R Zennils were on the cusp of
millennial and gen X.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
That's a good place to be.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
No, it's not.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
That's good. You still remember when TV was good. Yeah,
that's true. I call gen Z the lurker generation. I
think they consume a lot of Internet content, but they
don't particularly make it. And I think if you imagine,
let's say you are twenty six right now, so you
are sixteen when Trump became president, that means the most
formative years of your sort of media diet have been
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shaped by a post Trump world. And so when I
think of like a gen Z kid growing up in
you know, a red pilled manosphere centric Internet, it's not
super surprising to me that they might have conservative views
of the world because they just they've never seen a
different version of the Internet, right, all right.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
They've never seen a different version of the Internet. Where
are they seeing this version of the internet.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Based on what I've seen, what I've read about Now, you're.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
An expert, listen, right, you're an expert here. You're allowed
to be an expert. Just go for it.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
No, but I always try to sort of make sure
I'm up to date here, TikTok, Instagram, and Snapchat if
you're a little younger or still in school. So that
seems to be the major three.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I just want to like do two seconds on TikTok.
TikTok is owned by the Chinese government.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
I mean it's only by dance, which is clearly you know,
under the thumb on the Chines.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Because yeah, and the album rhythm that the Americans get
are like bannarexi and hate women. And the algorithms that
the Chinese get our do school and be a hard work.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
Yeah, I will say, Okay, so you're you're probably talking
about Duian, which is sort of it's sort of like TikTok,
but it's not. It's a I call it like a
sister app or a cousin app. It's it is a
different app.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Can we get that app here?
Speaker 7 (32:21):
I've used it. It's I mean, I watched a Chinese
farmer cook. He deep fried a whole ostrich leg on
Duian and it was so fascinating. It was massive. I
think the Chinese algorithm is probably better.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, it was very big. It was a very big
Did they take the feathers off?
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Yeah yeah, no, the whole thing. He prepared it like
a chicken wing, but it was a size of an ostrich.
It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
That's amazing.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
Yeah. So I think the biggest misunderstanding what TikTok is
that Okay, you know how like Facebook, there would be
like a dog, for instance, that would go viral and
everyone on Facebook would see this dog or Gangham style.
We all knew Gangham style.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh I wish I didn't, but yes.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
Yeah, TikTok doesn't work that way. So your TikTok and
my TikTok never to shell me. It is totally personalized.
So yeah, it might trigger for somebody eating disorder content.
For other people, it might be like slime videos where
you like make slime.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh, so the eating disorder is just special for may Okay.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
I guess you might be getting the Osama bin laden letter,
but I might be getting isis propaganda? Like It's just
different for everybody.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
So so one of the things that I'm struck by
is I think that the grown ups, and I'm thinking
of like like sort of the Joe Biden crew may
have underestimated the power of TikTok.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
I have seen numerous like younger Internet users pointing out
the very clear irony of Kamala being like it's brat
summer on TikTok. Just don't pay attention to what Joe
Biden My literal president that I'm working for right now
wants to do to TikTok in six months, which is
ban it, right, So I do think they notice the
cognitive dissonance there. For sure.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
It is supposed to be banned in December, right, but
like make it make sense because Trump is.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Not going to ban it.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
No, Trump doesn't care. He doesn't care about TikTok at all.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
He doesn't care, but he also benefits from it.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
I think he benefits from doing the reverse of anything
Joe Biden wants to do right, especially early. So I
do think if Biden does go through with the band,
which last I read, I think the deadline for the
band so okay. The way I understand it works is
like Biden Dance has to divest TikTok by December, let's
say mid December, and if they don't buy that deadline
by January tenth, Biden bans it. So it could be
(34:32):
a situation where they missed the deadline and just sort
of try to keep it in the courts and then
Trump's like, yeah, we're good, Like you don't have the
you can stay. That's what I assume will have.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So this is one of my favorite things to complain
to members of Congress about they hate they really hate
me for doing this. One of the many things I
do that's very annoying is I get members of Congress
on the podcast and then I, because I am the
granddaughter of a communist, then spend all this time complaining
that they are unable to regulate technology, and then they
say things like well and.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Give some very unsatisfying answer.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Sure, now that period of American life is over, right,
because on January twenty first, Trump is going to come
in there and they are not going to regulate anything
ever again.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's all good. Well unless like some China
hawk gets in his year about like Hawaii or something.
But yeah, I don't think it's really going to happen
in a meaningful way for a long time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
So, and we're going to have a boom of AI
which is going to replace all of us likely hopefully go.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
A clippy for everybody.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, okay, explain what a clippy is.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
It's a little paper clip and Microsoft word and now
we have like a very expensive version that destroys the
planet every time you make a generate pornography for you.
It's great, it's the future. We all want it, and.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
It's what Elon Musk is going to put in all
our brains.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
It's right, Yeah, the Department of Government Efficiency, which has
two bosses, very efficient.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Right, It's so efficient they needed two people to leave it.
And Marjorie Taylor Green in Congress because this that's great.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
I love that. That's super fun for it's funny.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
The movie version of it can never ever compete.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
Go on, Sorry, I think the closest movie I've seen
to our current political situation is like Death of Stalin.
I think you've got to kind of like abstract it,
you know, so he you don't notice the similarities.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Thanksgiving is Death of Stallin exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
No, But in terms of tech regulation under Trump, he
is interesting because, like he got fixated on Fortnite during
his first administration and he really wanted to ban Fortnite,
and I always heard the rumor that it was because
he caught Baron playing it too much, and I always
sort of liked that idea, like that's why he's an
anti Fortnite. I mean, he's a he's a demagogue, so
he'll he'll pick random stuff to just like get upset about.
(36:41):
So who knows, like he might just like discover technology
in the next four years, like we got to get
rid of it for like no reason. You know, that's
just life under a dictatorship.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
We laugh to keep from crime exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Okay, So I want you to this is a thing
I've been thinking about a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
And these people love technology, right.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Elon Musk made billions of dollars in government subsidies. Yeah,
ilady abound and also on technology.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
But they hate science, right. Huh. Explain this to me.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Okay, so they like technology. The kind of crew you're
talking about, the Peter Tails that Ela Musks are bosses.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, that they see you are about to run the
federal government.
Speaker 7 (37:22):
They are very obsessed with this idea that they sometimes
refer to as like the Dark Enlightenment or the network state.
It's it's essentially just like libertarianism run by computers. And
they believe that the CEO curtisey Arvin, Yeah, that kind
of stuff, right, Okay. I don't think Trump has any
idea what any of that means, because, like, I don't
think Trump is very online. If you told me Trump
can't read, like, I believe you, like I believe that
(37:44):
he's not. I saw a video where he's just he's
he's the one dictating his tweets to some woman who's
writing them down, so like it's possible he doesn't know
how to read. So I don't think he's like this
four chance Fengali guy. I think he's just like a guy.
He's a poster. Yeah, but the text of you know,
they have his ear and they basically just want to smash,
you know, any sort of federal regulations, any sort of
(38:05):
federal protections. And that's why they like technology and they
don't like science. I mean, they don't like regulations based
in science. So that's why they want you to drink
raw milk and do get bird flu because like they
don't want to have to deal with regulations. I think
it's just a tax thing basically, yep, money.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Thing, right, it's probably just a tax thing.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Though.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Raw milk is Have you had it?
Speaker 7 (38:26):
Is it good?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
No? I haven't had it milk. I just have skim milk.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
I cannot have rough. I will die. I will fork
to death.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
It's delicious.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
One of my kids has is lactose and he is
so mad at me. He's like, you did this to.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Me When we talk about this lack of government regulation,
bird flu raw Milk, I want you to talk for
one second about the possibility that RFK Junior may have
actually delivered a lot of women voter to Trump, because
this is a new theory I'm working through.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
I think you're dead on. I think the sort of
connection between the Woo Woo Yoga QAnon and RFK is
like a straight line through Facebook reels like it is
just like go on. I had this theory actually twenty
sixteen that like a lot of women voted for Trump
and then regretted it because they realized that a lot
of older women realized they had voted for their ex
husband essentially right, And I do believe a similar phenomenon
(39:26):
might be happening with RFK, where it's like this handsome
older man who like says crazy stuff, but like in
a fun kind of new agey way. I do think
that that's that's helpful for them. And I remember over
the summer ever, meaning like RFK might actually split the
vote for Trump. But I actually think they played it
pretty well.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Unfortunately, Yeah, they definitely played everything really well.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
It's funny because it's like.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I wrote something critical of RFK on Vanity Fair, RFK junior,
and I was swarmed by like very attractive women.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, I was like, why do you guys ca hair?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
And then it became clear to me once he won
that this man not only does he have a just
a horrific relationship with women on the macro or the micro,
he also has it on the macro.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
But he's very handsome, you know. He jumps off cliffs
without a shirt on. And he says stuff that people
on Facebook say in real life, which I think is
very attractive for like certain people in America.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
We're going to end on the he says things that
people say on Facebook in real life, right, yeah, which
is very attractive to America.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
You're going to have to come back.
Speaker 7 (40:36):
I would love to.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
And he.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Now added to the sorry I did it, I made it.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
No moment Jesse Cannon, Oh Molly.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
You know how I know? It's about day. It's the
second time we're having to discuss Laura Ingram.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
In one episode, Laura Ingram took aim a Republican micro.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
You may remember Mike Rounds from nothing.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
How can you talk about a Republican senator from South
Dakota as nothing?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Jesus nothing. You may remember him from nothing?
Speaker 1 (41:10):
So this political article that Ingram shared reported on Rounds,
who is from South Dakota, but who Ingram is mad about,
and so she's made him from North Dakota, that he
was trying to reassure us ally as well. At the Congress.
Round said he spent the weekend working to reset the stage.
(41:31):
Let everybody know that everything is going to be okay,
and that we're moving forward and there is consistency within
the Senate. We believe there will be consistency within the House,
and we welcome back former President Trump. Look, Laura Ingram
wants a dictatorship on day one, maybe because who knows.
(41:51):
But checks and balances are good. And I'm not a
big fan of Mike Rounds.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Actually that's not true. He might be great. Nobody even knows,
has anyone ever met.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
But I do think that Mike Grounds is doing the
right thing here, and he's trying to provide checks and balances.
That actually is the job of Senate right, advise and consent. Right,
they are supposed to be checking out these nominees.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
That's what they're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
So Lauringram is wrong yet again, and Mike Grounds is correct.
Trump is not a North Korean dictator. He has checks
and balances, just like everyone else.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
That's it for.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
This episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday,
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Speaker 2 (42:50):
Thanks for listening.
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