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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look how he's only films to be buried with the
new season. Hello and welcome to Films to be Buried with.
We're back with a brand new season. My name is
(00:22):
Brick Golstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer, director,
a waite, and I love films. As roy T Bennett
once said, pursue what catches your heart, not what catches
your eyes. But on the other hand, do go see
dungeons and dragons on her among thieves because it's really delightful.
It's actually fantastic. Fair enough, good point, roy T Bennett.
Well done. Every week I invite a special guests over.
(00:43):
I tell them they've died. Then I get them to
discuss their life through the films that meant the most
of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone,
and even Cred Blamboles. But this week it's the brilliant comedian, actor, writer,
novelist and movie star. It's Andy O Show. This week
you can get the full season one of Shrinking on
(01:03):
Apple TV Plus. You can also get at this point
the first four episodes of ted Lasso season three, also
on app on TV plus. Watch Him Love Him head
over to the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash
Breck Goldstein, where you get an extra twenty minutes of
chat with Andy. We talk about secrets, we talk about
beginnings and endings. You also get the whole episode uncut
(01:25):
and as a video. Check it out at Patreon dot
com forward Slashbreck Goldstein. So I've missed you. I hope
you're all well. Thanks for hanging around. I've started with
this episode because Andy Oshow is amazing. I love this
episode so much. She was a brilliant comedian, started out
around the same time as me. She left comedy or
certainly took a break from it to go on an
(01:46):
amazing journey. She made huge decisions for her mental health
and for her life and for her spiritual growth. You'll
hear all about it on the episode. I think she's
fucking brilliant. She's incredible, access, she's a movie star, she's
all of it. Anyway, this episode is amazing. We recorded
it on zoom. We're so lovely to talk to her,
and I really think you're gonna love it. So thank
(02:08):
you and welcome back. So that is it for now.
I very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and
forty two of Films to be Buried with. Hello, and
welcome to Films to be Buried with. It is me
(02:31):
Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by an actor,
a writer, a novelist, a screenwriter, an award winner, a
stand up comedian, an international liberal, a woman, a hero,
a legend, a rising star, and soaring heights. She's here,
(02:58):
She's real. Can you believe it? I can. I'm looking right.
She's on the show. Please welcome. Is that the show?
Oh my gosh? What I mean? Can that be the
whole show? Just that intro? That's it? And then just
like we'll send out a PDF for a list of
films or something like that. I mean, I'm done. It's
(03:18):
not a bad idea little pdf. I mean, no one
cares about the film. How are you, Andy, I'm very well.
Thanks Brett Goldstein. How are you? I'm good Now. I'm
in LA you're in England. We're recording this on zoom.
I've got so many things to ask you, big things,
because you, if I may say a fascinating I said it.
(03:41):
Oh wow, it's out there. Yeah, the truth is out
And I sometimes think of you, if I may sort
of like you're the George Harrison of the UK comedy scene, like,
I think you started in comedy, you like sawed away,
huge news, started TV, you know, and then it seemed
(04:01):
it looked like you left it all to go on
a spiritual quest, and I love that and I'm so
fascinated about it. And then you suddenly you were Suddenly
I suddenly saw you in a horror film, an American
horror film turned out with a perfect American accent, and
I was like, Wow, what's happened? But on a spiritual
Quest came out horror horror icon? What can we talk
(04:23):
about this? And then I, who are you? Right? So
I'm kind of but there's actually three of us. Yeah,
I'm one of three triplets. I mean, that's how triplets
come anyway, isn't it. But that's really funny that that's
that's what it looked like from the Yeah, I haven't
discussed I haven't checked with other people if yeah, But
(04:47):
I was always fascinating because you were, so I'm interested
in people who are naturally very good at something and
do very well, who then decided it's not making them.
I assumed he didn't make you happy, or something was
missing in it, and it's so interesting. Yeah, that's exactly right.
I mean, you know, I started as an actor and
then I said to myself, like I wasn't getting any
love kind of from the industry. I mean, I was
(05:08):
a bit I was getting auditions, but I wasn't like
landing any role. So I said, what can I do
that will let me have a bit more control. I'm
not waiting for someone else's approval before I can do
the thing that I love. And then that's how I
got into stand up And I think when I started,
I don't know about you, but I felt like it
was a bit of a game. I was enjoying the
game of it, like, oh that joke didn't work. What
(05:28):
can I do to make it work? Oh? That worked?
And then I moved that and like it was almost
like this really interactive puzzle almost and so so yeah,
so I really enjoyed it in the early days. And
I remember the first time I got paid, and I
was like, oh, oh, this has changed everything because now
now yeah, because now there's a contract. Yeah, do you
(05:50):
know what I mean? It's not about my puzzle. You
can't lose the game, no, exactly exactly. I've been paid
to win this yeah, and I remember going around going, oh,
you know, I think that's me. I'm out. This is
like about six months in, and you know, the people
were like, you're not you You clearly love it, so
you know you're not gonna You're not going to tap
out now, and then I kept going and then it
(06:11):
just it just blew up, Like I mocked the Week
was the first thing that they were really the first
people that backed me in in any meaningful way that
sort of got me out there. And then it's sort
of it's almost like that was the endorsement that other
producers needed to go, oh no, we were gonna have
you one air show before, but we always said yeah.
So then yeah, it just sort of snowballed. And then
(06:34):
I realized only recently that it was actually only a
couple of years that I was doing all the panel
shows and the Apollos and all that. And then round
about the start of two thousand and twelve, so my
first month the Week was beginning of two thousand and ten,
and then round about two thousand and twelve, I was like, man,
I'm unhappy. Yeah, like, and that was probably because that
(06:55):
year I did my second life at the Apollo. I
did you know a couple of weeks probably, and you know,
bach of other stuff, But I've never been more. I mean,
that was the worst bout of depression I've ever had,
and I have had it before. And yeah, so I
did basically what you said. I took myself away and
just had a little think about what do I really want?
(07:16):
Because there was this big chasm opening up between who
I was on stage. I even referred to her in
the third person sometimes of like who that person is
and who I am? The gap was getting bigger it.
I didn't dress like her, I didn't talk like her.
I didn't do you know what I mean? She was
She was just someone I not only did I not recognize,
but I just I didn't have the energy to be
her anymore, do you know what I mean? So, yeah,
(07:37):
you can. I ask you that was that like in
terms of your sort of consciousness of it. Was it
like you were just busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, and
then like one thing happened and you were like, fuck,
I'm unhappy? Or was it actually you were feeling consciously
unhappy for a long time. It was more like it
was a growing sense of something. But I didn't name it.
(07:58):
And then actually I was on a call and I
it's sort of like a well being cause kind of thing,
and I came out of the other end of it.
Everyone else is kind of euphoric at the end of
this thing, and I was literally in despair and to
the point where the facilitator kind of called me and
called me in and he was just like, what's up,
because you know, he was so used to people leaving
this place, leaving this like weekend program in quite a
(08:21):
sort of altered state and just like different perspective on
the world. Now. I was just like, I think I
might just I think I might be done with living,
you know. So it was like it was really it
was really bad. I had to stop working actually, and
I had gigs booked in and actually I was gonna
do you remember that they don't do it anymore, but
that Channel four Great Almond Street, Yeah, like a million
(08:44):
comedians I was. I was booked in to do that.
I was like, I can't do it. I you know,
it was like every everything out of out of the
diary because I was in such a Yeah, but it
wasn't like I just it wasn't a hard, abrupt stop
it was more like I it sort of petered out.
So I came to the States. I went to the State.
(09:05):
Should I say, I went to the States. And I
still did some I was still doing gigs, but I
had this feeling like I was coming I was running
out of road as far as I was concerned, because
you know what it was, Brett, It was I realized
that I there was more to me than I was being.
I wouldn't I don't want to say allowed to do,
but there was more to me than I could share
(09:27):
through just being a stand up you know what I mean,
Like creatively, there was more that I had to offer.
So I just felt like that that's the end of
that journey for now. It's not like I'll never go back.
Maybe I will, maybe I won't, But it felt like
at that point there wasn't anymore that I could do.
I mean, I was talking to you know, Luke Tilson.
He said, well, you basically closed the game and then
(09:47):
you got out, and it's kind of it's like, what
more can I because now one you know, at that
time and even still it was very difficult for somebody
like me, a woman and black women to get their
own vehicle and so you ended up in loads of
other people's vehicles. But but but there's only so many of
those that you can do before you're just it can
be quite unsatisfying, you know what I mean, Like constantly
(10:09):
the whole panel show carousel can get quite quiet, sort
of frustrating if you feel like there's more that I
could give than I'm being allowed to sort of express.
Can I give you a theory I have about yeah? Please? Well,
I wonder if particularly because you were sort of picked
young as it were, as in fairly new, and it
(10:29):
was like she's good, we should we should put her
on TV that often TV comics. What happens in sort
of mainstream TV comedy, I think is that persona's comedy
persona has become too dimensional because it's much easier to
do it in five minutes and three minutes in a
one notes like he's the grumpy one, Like Jack d
he's the grumpy one. There's Michael backdad, he's the push one.
(10:51):
Like it's just you reduce that person to a sort
of one attitude that is funny and great, But on
TV they become often reduced to a kind of bite
says mister man character. You know what I mean, and
if you were early on finaled into this, you you
were a person, and then you were like, no, you're
a TV comic. Can we reduce you to your this
(11:13):
and this and that's it? Yeah, And maybe that's where
you felt, this isn't me. I want to express all
this stuff. And I do believe stand up, busy up
for me you can express anything, but not in broad
mainstream TV. It's almost impossible. It's so rare to I
can't really think of an example where you go, that
was a really complicated you know what I mean, like
a really fascinating character we just met. It's more like
(11:35):
that was the angry one, that was the silly one,
that was you know what I mean, that's really really
wise And yeah, I can really see that as well.
And I used to have these sort of sort of
fantas Daniel Kits and type fantasies that oh, one day,
maybe I could just write a show about what I'm
thinking and feeling and not be censored or any And
(11:56):
then I go, now, you got, you know, I mean,
because I I'd almost gasolate myself into thinking, oh, I
have to do all these things. I have to do
the panel shows, I have to do all these silly
kind of panel show pilots that were really sometimes quite
not humiliating, but like not gratifying really in any way,
(12:17):
because I told myself, I had this belief that that
was what I was supposed to be doing, do you
know what I mean? But actually taking myself away and
made me realize, oh I can I can do whatever
I want. There might be a cost, as in, you know,
financially or intensive, I don't know, career progression or status
or whatever, but sometimes for your mental health that cost
is in fact always for your mental health, that cost
(12:39):
is worth paying. Amazing. And so can you tell me
a bit about the positive second half of that story
of like going on your spiritual quest, Like at what
point were you like, oh, I'm starting to feel like
this is yeah, how you yeah going? So I guess
those years in LA and I was sort of coming
back to the u K. And I got myself a
(13:01):
little kind of career coach who was talking me through
my experiences because it was very it looks like I
went off, you know, and then came back and got
all these like whole fun roles in things. But actually
there was a lot of soul searching a lot of
like I remember having like skypes with my mom of
like and saying to her, I know I meant to
(13:21):
be here, but I don't know why. But more tears
than that, she you know, she's desmate for me to
come home, because it's just like, well, if you don't know,
if you don't know why you're there or whatever, if
you haven't, maybe that's not what you should be. But
I just knew that I should be. And actually, looking back,
what I realized the time was about was about shedding
things that shackles basically that were holding me back creatively,
(13:44):
finding my confidence to call myself an artist. I would
have been embarrassed to say that at the time that
I left, you know what I mean, and like explore
the things that were creatively interesting to me rather than
what I felt like I should be doing, because that
was the opportunity that had been placed immediately in front
of me. And yeah, just releasing myself from any burden
(14:05):
to be something that I thought other people thought I
should be. So coming home as it were in a
sort of literal sense, but figuratively as well. It wasn't
like I was flushed with work when I was in
the States, and in fact I did work in the
UK to sort kind of bankroll the experience. But at
the end of it, I realized that what I had
(14:27):
gained is a real deep confidence and belief in myself
or my ability to do the things that I knew
would like me up, rather than doing things that I
felt like I should, And that was a bigger gift
than if I had worked loads. Actually, you're a fucking hero.
Do you have a sort of practice? I mean, I
(14:47):
guess what masking is like. Do you have like a
routine because you seem, you know, you seem wonderful, as
you seem very happy and puzzitive, and you seem in
a very good place. Is it constant work to be
in as a do you do you do things like
I meditate every morning, I work out, Like what do
you have a thing? Or are you just generally I
feel much better. I think to say I have a
(15:08):
practice would be generous to myself. It's more like, but
you know, someone says something to me once about you know,
just beginning again. Because people like if they want to
say they want to start working out, they'll go and
then it might peter out and they'll think, oh I
failed I failed to go into the gym because I'm
no longer going. You just begin again, and that is
(15:29):
what it is. It's not it's not it's not necessarily
a constant. So my practices are all beginning again. I
start meditation, and I go, this is it this time,
this is the one. This is where you catch me
doing it every day morning. And then after a month,
I'm out, and then I start again, and I forgive
myself for that falling, and then I kind of think
(15:50):
of other things as meditation, like I journal and that. Yeah,
So as a writer, I realized that actually, maybe sitting
still with my own noisy brain isn't the best way
for me to meditate. And I've realized that maybe writing
but doing it in a conscious way, maybe that can
be my meditation. And as long as you're bringing consciousness
to it, then it can be a form of like
(16:11):
quietening the brain and or listening to the observing the
movement of the mind. And that's really what meditation is.
It's not about sitting in silence or your brain going quiet,
and that's impossible because of just biomechanics or whatever, but
like or neuro mechanics, but like just observing it that
can give you just that slim of distance that you
can be with your thoughts rather than be them. So
(16:35):
that's yeah, So that's the practice well being. You know,
like I don't drink as much as I used to have.
I like a glass of wine every now and again,
but a kana basically, like I have been eating. Well,
you know all the cliches, but they like accumulatively, they
make such a difference. I feel like I'm observing for
my mental health. It just makes a huge difference. And
(16:56):
I've seen the cost of not looking after myself in
those respects, so that that's really all it is. It's
a personal thing of like does this cost me to
not look after myself in these areas? If you can
get away with it, then please have at it. Live
your life on my behalf, you know what I mean.
But like, for the most part, because of the way
humans are built, we can't really not for a long
(17:17):
period of time, I have forgotten to tell you something,
and it's so annoying because oh god, as long as
that's something silly like I've died or something like that. Um, well, shit,
well it actually don't oh don't, Oh my god, I
(17:37):
know if you meditated journey when you work out. But
you I thought if I made noises over you're saying,
it wouldn't be real. But it is really dead dead.
How did you die? Well, I don't think it'll be
a health related thing. And here's why I think I
think it will be. I'm clumsy in a way where
(17:58):
the thing escalate. It's really quickly, Like I could be
at one end of the bathroom and drop something and
somehow it ends up in the toilet. Do you know
what I mean? Like, it's like I don't have a
lot of accidents, but they're always like kind of low
key spectacular like that. Like literally, just before we started recording,
I tipped over a glass, whole glass of water, and
(18:19):
it started spilling over the edge of the table into
a socket. Of course, there's an electrical socket immediately underneath
a table, So it'll probably be some domestic related accident,
like an electrocution or falling off a roof or out
of a window or something like that. So, yeah, would
you like to pig mister bean? Do you direct? Yes,
(18:44):
I'll die silently from electrication. Okay, do you worry about death? Yeah,
now I do. I just turned fifty like, oh was
it a three two? It's happened. I know we're all
heading there, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the fuck out
(19:12):
tell you what though, It's enough make you think about
life in a different way. I don't know if all
fifty year olds will concur, but I had this real
sense of like, oh, this is I mean literally, this
is not a drill. This is this is it now
and it's all from here on. It's about dying well,
doing the things that you really want to do, not
getting caught up with the things you don't want to do,
(19:32):
losing the people that are no good in your life.
I've surround yourself with good folks, eating well, you know,
do you know? I mean it's stuck dying well, Oh
my god, in the gut you got in the gut?
Are you waiting ten fifty? It's going to be a
suck a bunch in the face. Oh good, that's good.
I'm enjoying it. Well, I mean I don't want to
(19:54):
be that person. But you look in your twenties, so
whatever you're doing is not electrocuting myself. Yeah, hold off
on that for a big record. I record, you've got
a few more in you. What do you think happens
when you die. I saw this name that I rather
like that said something like, maybe the white light at
the end of the tunnel is you coming out of
(20:18):
someone's vagina. Wow, yeah, I love it. Straight backround, straight background.
Maybe that's what it is. I think that is what
it is. But I do think you get a little
gap in the middle of well, the gap because it's
outside of time, because obviously times a man made construct.
The gap could be infinite. The gap could be you
(20:39):
could go somewhere else or whatever, but it's you're an
infinite no time, no space, and then there you are
pop out again. Oh I've been born. Someone I spoke
to the other day said that you come back three times,
and I was like, I don't think that's right. I
think you come back a billion times, or it's once. Yeah.
When three seems like yeah, well, I guess rule of three.
(21:01):
Rule of three three, It feels like if we're talking
about the oneness of all things, then it's got to
be none or one. Really three feels like that belongs
more in mythology rather than like, yeah, three seems like
you haven't really experienced all the things in three. I mean,
you just keep looping around and and maybe you can
(21:23):
take a little break, and you know, I just want
to be part of the oneness for a bit and
then and then you go back in again. I'll tell
you what. That's enough oneness for a bit. Exactly. You're
one down this one Jesus space. I want to be two.
(21:44):
I'm an. Well, there is a gap and it's called heaven.
You're in it. You're welcome. People very excited to hear you,
see you and watch you, and they want to this
field with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Probably
pastor oh oh, my puppy, of course. Okay, it is
filled with your puppy, as if you'll, probably were made
(22:05):
of pasta, so it's like a spaghetti puppy. Pretty cute, Yeah,
pretty cute. Actually, just the right temperature and soliditate, little
pasta puppy. Yeah, run around everywhere. Everyone's excited to see you.
They want to talk about your life through film. First
thing they ask you, it's odd. First thing they ask
you is what is the first film you remember seeing
(22:26):
and your show? I think it was some kind of
Disney situation, and my my feeling is it was probably
The Rescuers. Oh yeah, lovely doesn't get talked about enough
in the Disney chat you know what I mean. You
go on your Disney whatsapped thread, which obviously I'm in
all of it. Rescues don't come up a lot. Film,
(22:49):
I mean, tell me more. I don't remember very much
about it, because you know, I must have been really young.
I don't even know when it came out. But I
was thinking about, you know, when my mum used to
take a to the pictures and that, because I wonder
if it was just a little bit of a respite.
She was a single month three kids. It's kind of
like just just quiet for two hours. And in those days,
(23:11):
you know, there was the little short or whatever featurette
that they'd have at the beginning. There'd be an intermission,
ice creams and all the rest of it, and then
the main event so we could be there for half
a day sort of thing. But yeah, I don't remember
the film, but I remember being absolutely captivated by film,
and I mean later on, I remember seeing Annie and
(23:32):
crying all the way home and being so confused that
what had happened up there had affected my heart so much,
and so I was trying to hide it. I was.
I remember like being in the car and my brothers
were on and I was like like crying out of
the side of it because because I was so embarrassed,
(23:54):
because I was like, how could I have been affected
by by that? Yeah? It was like a really like
bewildering moment of just like it's two, why is this
having this effect on me? Well, so there's three of you? Yeah,
so I've got two older brothers. Yeah, where was this?
This would have been? This would have been I think
(24:15):
it's called the Gemini or something like that, our genesis
in Bow. It didn't used to it. It was called
something else. But there's a yeah, you know, like between
Stepney and like near Stepnie exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
love that. Now tell me this, what's the film that
made you cry the most? Other than Annie? Annie is
a stone cold class Oh yeah, and did you get
(24:36):
better at crying? He's still horrified and embarrassed, but it
funny enough. The one that I would actually say is
the film that's made me cry the most. I cried
in the same way of almost like overwhelmed by my
overwhelmed by my crying, and it was it was Moonlight Man,
and what feel right? And so I went like I
(24:59):
got a an invite to a screening, so I didn't
really know what it was. I wasn't aware of Barry
Jenkins's work, and so it went and was I mean,
you know, blown away doesn't even cover it. But then
there was a Q and a after and everybody was
there really and I think I think that Harris was
there obviously about jen and I was. I remember just
(25:21):
looking up to try and see if I could balance
the tiss in my mind because otherwise I was gone
and I wanted to ask a question, but it would
have been like have you got tissue? So I could. Yeah,
I mean that was, Yeah, it was almost out of
body experience. How moved I was by that by that
film because for me, and I've listened to his films
(25:43):
covered with oh my god, such a great episode. And
for me, Moonlight was about finding your home and it
wasn't about a place, it was about a person. And
so eventually that character finds his home in the person
that has been his home this whole time. But like
you just think, give himself permission to feel it, to
(26:04):
go there or you know whatever. So yeah, I was
just I don't know why that resonates are strongly for me,
but I'm done. Oh don't you Oh okay, doctor No,
I can't see where that would resonate review sty strange. Yeah, okay,
(26:25):
all right, very good film. It was justly quite enjoyable.
It's just a good film about being scared. What's the
film that's scared you? Well, you kind of mentioned it already.
I mean, apart from the obvious, I'm very susceptible, absolutely
terrified those mess o man, Yeah, you mentioned it already. Well,
(26:51):
I was going to say I am susceptible. So pretty
much every horror film, even if it's not meant to
be a horror, I'm terrified. But one day my agent
messages me and says, oh, you know, this director wants
to want you to come and read for his film.
Here's a short that the film is based on. And
he just sends me a YouTube link. So, and it's daytime.
I'm at home and I think nothing of it. Okay, yeah,
(27:13):
good research. I have a look at the film before
I go in, So I hit play and it's the
short of lights Out and have you seen it? Yeah? Short.
The short is so simple. It's basically this woman going
to bed and she turns off the light. In the
hall and then at the end she just sees this figure.
She turns a light back on. The fuck was that?
It's gone? She turns the light off again, the figures
(27:36):
moved closer. I was even now I could just because
I'm so susceptible, and that is something that I do fear,
is like someone something at the window or breaking in
or something like that. I was done. That's and to me,
like proportionately, that's the film that scared me the most
because for something that's three minutes long and I couldn't
(27:56):
even I had to push the computer away to be
able to watch, it seems like got what the divide?
What the conceit was? I was just like nah, nah,
So that yeah, in terms of proportion of you know,
length of movie to how scared, I hands hands down,
its lights out. Well, great film, it was great. How
(28:17):
was your meeting then when you went there? Were like, fuck?
I mean yeah it was good. He's yeah, very David
is very sort of chilled out. He's yeah, but yeah
it was. Well I got the job, so I must
have gone, all right, you did very. That's where That's
where I was like, I what I went to sit
at and I was so excited to see Anyway, what
(28:39):
is the film that you love? However, it's not critically acclaimed,
most people don't like it, but you love it, and
everyone's an idiot. You know what? I think this is
a really tricky question because I've got exceptional taste, and
for me it usually goes the other way. Is that
(29:00):
like there's films that everybody loves and I'm just like,
I'm gootna I just go and get it, like Wolf
of Wall Street. You know what I've noticed as well.
I think it's films where I'm gonna say it's like
toxic masculinity basically going unchecked, because I think it's possible
to make a moral film about an im moral person,
but if you make an a moral film about an
(29:22):
a moral person, it's just like, how is that a contribution?
And it's you know, it's not my place to critique Scots,
but like I feel sometimes that certain films like The
Joker maybe, and where where male characters have made choices
and they they go unchecked because you can have people,
(29:43):
you can have characters do all those dreadful things. I believe,
but the film standpoint. I resonate more if the film
standpoint is, but that's wrong obviously, right, Whereas in movies
where that doesn't happen, I'm like, so what are you saying?
And so there's certain films that have been very popular
that have been that that sort of a moral film
about an im moral character, and I've been like, guys, no,
(30:06):
I'm sorry, I'm not into this one. Do you know
what I'm with you? I think I'm almost completely with you,
except for I went to see Wolf of Wall Street
and I felt the same way you did. I was like,
I don't like this film. This seems like a sort
of sort of bad intention film or something like that.
And then maybe a year or two later, it was
on TV and I just sort of started it. I
(30:28):
sort of flicked onto it, and I thought, this film
is fucking brilliant and I've totally missed Judson. It's so funny,
and actually I think it is all the things. It's
just quite clever because it kind of guys presented without comment,
but they're definitely the bad guys. Definitely definitely the bad guys,
and actually the Kyle Chandler, who is the good guy. Yeah, Yeah,
(30:50):
it's just it's actually quite subtly done in like the
final moment with him having having achieved what he set
out to achieving, yet he's just on a subway on
his own in a like wearing ship clothes in the
ship place because the system is rigged against the good people,
you know. Yeah, I was actually like, this film is
I think it's a brilliant film, but I really hated
it the first time. I was really like, this seems
(31:12):
like a morally objectionable and then the same time I
was like, oh no, it's very clever. That's really interesting
because I feel like I sometimes don't want to believe
that revisiting a film will will have you seen anything,
and it's just totally not true. Is it Like you
can go back to things and just go, wow, how
did I miss that? So I'd very much like the
open term revisiting it. But that was my experience at
(31:33):
the time of Ye I'm with you. It was also
much funnier than one side was on board with it.
I was like, this is a very very funny film,
but it's yeah, it is the thing of I think
he's kind of in a way he's going I trust you,
the audience. I'm not going to spell this out like
you tell me. You love this guy, you wouldn't be
(31:54):
like this guy. Okay, yeah, you guys all this stuff. Yeah,
here's it. Here it is Walts and all. Okay, I'll
is it because also off the back of your podcast,
I did, actually because Barry Jenkins's answers. This was Last
Action Hero. So I I went because I really liked
that at the time that it came out, and yeah,
I was sort of Yeah, I was surprised that it
(32:16):
didn't get any love, but yeah, I thought it was
all right. I leave it in like nineteen ninety five
or whenever it came out again. That belongs back there. Okay,
what about the film that you used to love but
you've watched recently and you've thought, I don't like this anymore.
Maybe you've changed. Oh do you know this is going
(32:37):
to be a controversial one except for I guess fans
of the Big Bang theory. But like I loved Raiders
as lost up. Yeah, but then and I and I,
you know, I sometimes have a little Sunday afternoon, like
you know, go and visit revisit a classic. And I
watched it and I was not into it at all.
Oh God, I can't hear this. I know. I'm so sorry.
(32:59):
I don't even I can't even believe I'm saying it. Why,
I don't. No, I don't even think I can bear
to say the words how I was feeling. I just
but but don't they say I'm the big bang theory
that like there's like he doesn't advance the plot at all.
Isn't there some like an episode where it's like this
(33:20):
is this really controversial theory that one of them has
that like Harrison Fall's character doesn't actually advance the lt
at all, But that wasn't Yeah, he makes no difference
to the in the end. Yeah, that's quite fun. Yeah,
I just didn't. I just I'm going to just say
I didn't enjoy it. That's that's what it is. Well,
that's all we've got time. It was going so well,
(33:44):
I know, what is the film that means the most
to you? Not because the film is good necessarily, but
the experience you had seeing it will always make it
meaningful to you. And gosh, I could crime and just
thinking of the moment, but it was it was it
was probably yeah, it was Black Panther. Gosh, yeah, because
(34:07):
you know, you know, there's a lot of conversation around
when that movie came out about you know, representation and
how much that matters, and also the fact that it's
set on the continent of Africa, but also that it
you know, it includes the diaspora in the storytelling, you know,
like kill Monger's story is so yeah, so vital. And
(34:32):
then so there was this one moment where it's quite
early on in the film where the n Carea's character
comes out and she says, we're home, and then just
Wakanda just opens up and it's just I just oh,
it was just so that went into my soul, just
that image and just watching a movie where the scenes
where everybody's black, you know what I mean, in a
(34:54):
in a Bobuster movie. Like I think when you've been
used to seeing yoursel I've represented the impact of black panther,
I think probably is it might be difficult to comprehend
like how significant that was to see finally you or
people that look like you represented in that way. It's
(35:17):
all powerful and brilliant and smart and sexy and strong
and you know, do you know what I mean? And
and having governance over their their path and making decisions
for themselves without any interference or all that sort of stuff.
So yeah, that was that was very big. That was
(35:38):
a very sort of powerful moment. And then that same day,
so I was filming on something and we were on
night shoots. So I went to I got up at
that mid day and I was like, oh, what can
I do in my day? We're going to be filming
probably from about six. So I was like, I went
to see Black Panther. And then we had a call
from production saying, oh, you know, tonight might be snowed
(35:58):
off sort of thing. It might not happen, might not
be filming. So we all got all the carts, got
together and we're like, oh, should we go and watch
a film? Yeah? Great, would you want to watch? And
went Shape of Water. I was a girl, ba I
just want to watch Black Father again. I mean you
went twice in one day, twice in one day, and
(36:19):
I was just just as happy and sort of immersed
and just transported the second time as much as I
was the first time. That's wonderful. It was just brilliant.
It's a fucking great film and yeah everything, Yeah, the
fact that it's also a huge fucking box office success.
(36:39):
It is like answers every question exactly, may you know
what I mean, what is the film you most relate
to and do your show? You see, now we're not
talking about as in a character, because I don't feel
like there's any specific community. Well, probably for me it's
the Matrix, because I like the way you're thinking, Neo,
(37:01):
this isn't all there is? Is there? You are? Well?
Not not quite. I mean I like to think that
I would be Naobe, but I think I'm probably cypher,
you know, the one that wants to get put back
into the matrix. You know, make me something important like
an actor. No, you're on Live at the Apollo thinking
(37:22):
is this it? Yeah, there must be. I love it exactly.
Follow the Rabbit. Yeah, mate, I'm one of the few
people that really love all three films. I mean two
not so much, but like I love them before, we
don't talk about but I love them all. Four is fascinating.
(37:42):
Four I watched recently and was like, what what a wow?
In what way? What were your what you just like
in terms of it's so crazy right, like I said,
it's such a crazy starting point, and that they or
the metal still very meta talk within it. Well done,
(38:03):
it's great, good, good, good work. It's interesting. I didn't think, Well,
it's something you made some choices. Definitely, Yeah, definitely not
what I was expecting. Something's kind of it. Yeah, what
about sexiest? What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? And
(38:25):
so I took this to be not as in sex
but sexy, So outside fucking correct answer. Correct. Yeah, I
think that is, like, that's the goal. If actors are
looking for on screen chemistry, head there and if you
(38:46):
even get yes, that's just I mean, obviously the filmmaking,
you know, because of the mood of that movie is
just obviously lends itself to making it sexy. But the
those two actors in that situation perfect, those two, the
lighting and the soundtrack agreed, and it's just fucking yeah,
(39:09):
it's really hot film. Yeah. Yeah. And your show, there's
a it's a subcategory now at the intellectual section of
the show, troubling bonus, worrying wide dones a film you
found a rousing that you weren't sure that you should. Yeah,
I mean, I want to. I want to help out
with this one. I want to. I want to be
(39:29):
a useful contributor. But there's nothing I think that I
have a response to the things that are meant you
know what I mean, Like, there's nothing right. Yeah, I
don't watch the Rescuers and feel anything. It's basically what
I'm saying. Yeah, you're saying, never had a worrying wide done.
All the wide dones were pure, Yeah they were the
(39:50):
source material was appropriate to the response. That's what I'm saying.
You're sticking with. Okay, Okay, so rescues that nothing nothing, no,
nothing nothing. I couldn't even think because you know, I mean,
guys have got Jessica Rabbit and I and I and
(40:12):
I kind of get that, do you know what I mean?
But like, there isn't there isn't an equivalent for women
that you or for you know, for a straight woman,
there's not a there's not a he Man Hercules. No. Yeah, unbelievable.
What is objectively? Objectively? Objectively? Of course, the greatest film
(40:36):
of all time might be your favorite. No it's not,
and I've only watched it the once. But I'm going
to say The Godfather too, Okay, Yeah, why are you
throwing that? Well? I just remember finishing that film. It's
just like, wow, that had subtitles and I really enjoyed it.
That must be good. I mean, I've watched. I went
(40:57):
through this the nero phase and so obviously that was
essential viewing. But yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't get on
with the old you know, cotton wool in the mouth
and the Godfather thing. That really took me out of it.
But Godfather too was kind of just had every element
of storytelling, got also performance in there that you that
(41:18):
you would want and I felt like but but weirdly,
I didn't want to watch it again. And that's that's
often the way, isn't it with the really great films
is like like Citizen Kane, we watched at college and
have never felt inclined to revisit it. Yeah, that's interesting.
Casablanca saw it again, We watched it at college. It's like,
that was great. But I will watch, you know, Shortshack
(41:41):
reduption ten times before I'll ever watch that again. I
think it's easily like long depressing words. I think, yeah
we did that, Yeah we made it at some point.
There were two sets of footprints in the sand. But
what is the film that you could or have watched
(42:03):
the most over and over again. Oh that's easy. That's aliens.
Nice sounds that hasn't come up. Oh yeah, you're right.
At school everyone was watching Aliens all the time. Well
I didn't. Again, it's kind of horror essentially, so I
couldn't have. But when I was doing my UM, I
did an HND and like program TV and film and stuff,
(42:26):
and the lecturer I had us watch Aliens or maybe Alien. Anyway,
I was hooked. So I don't know why. This is
a perfect store for me. This is everything I want. Marines,
there's jokes, there's guns, Aliens. It was brilliant. I just
and I kind of almost preferred Aliens to Alien. Yeah,
I'm you know, a James Cameron fan, I guess, And
(42:48):
so yeah, I've watched that so many times. I mean literally,
like it would be a ritual. I go out on
a Saturday night with my mates and then we go
around his house and then we on the Sunday were
would probably watching the Terminator two most likely Aliens and
be mumbling incorrectly usually their lines along with which I
(43:10):
just love it. That's great, that's great. Do you like
your way of water? Be happy with your way of water?
James Cameron fan, Yeah, I yeah, I thought I thought
it was all right. Actually I didn't mind it at all.
I mean I don't think advtar advertars I didn't mind
it too many stars. It's not my favorite of his staff.
(43:36):
I really like Titanic. I think that's great. I like
Aliens and two Terminator a bit, but Terminator feels very
much like Alien in the sense of spare, whereas you know,
obviously Terminated too is all guns much more gunsy. Yeah,
that word it is. Yeah, it is very gunsy. Actually
(44:01):
my weekend. We don't like to be negative all the
spiritual work with Dad, but here we are. What's the
worst field we ever saw? I mean, there is every possibility,
because I only watch it the ones, there is every
possibility that it's not as bad as I thought it
was at the time. But there's a film called The
Other Sister where it's it's I think it's sort of
(44:22):
like maybe early nineties or late eighties, and it's uh, oh,
what's the access name? Givanni and Juliet Yeah, and Juliet Lewis,
and they're playing two people who fall another they have
learning difficulties and okay, so there's there's the issue for me.
M m. Yes. And it's directed by Gary Marsham. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
(44:47):
they both have learning difficulties in it. Yeah, And actually
I watched the trailer recently to just because I was like,
was it as offensive? Yeah, And the joke wasn't on them.
They weren't like ha ha ha look at learning people
were learning disabilities. But still to see two actors perform
(45:12):
that it was it was tricky, like it wouldn't be
done now. Yes, but you have to sort of, I guess,
give a little bit of latitude for what happened then,
not to say that it's okay, but like it was
a different time. Yes, what's the film? Hang on? You
(45:34):
used to be in comedy. You were a brilliant comedian,
one of the greats. You remain as funny as ever.
That's the film that made you laugh the most. It
might not be the funniest made you laughter most, maybe
laughter most. I think it's probably apparently. It's probably not apparently.
I get that it's problematic for some folks now trading places.
(45:56):
Yeah yeah, why so? Yeah? Why funny or why problematic? Yeah?
Is that? I don't know, it's problematic? Oh man, I
just all the performances is definitely. That's that's it. That's
what it is, is what it is. Eddie Murphy at
the top of his game, but also that pairing with
(46:19):
Dnacroid is perfect because him playing that sort of up
type privileged, so he has an existential crisis. Essentially, it's
sort of a buzz lightyear realization, Oh that's who I
am sort of thing. But yeah, the combination of them
and the sort of skewing of that world is really
(46:39):
really well done, and you can feel, well, I hope
that it's I hope that it was as fun to
film as it seems to have been, and like you
know what I mean, like that it was alive. It's
crackling with like you feel like, you know, the actors
had latitude to sort of riff and find stuff. But again,
it's one of those films and I sort of wish
we had more films like that, but we don't seem to.
But like films that are really quotable, do what I mean,
(47:01):
Like we used to quote trade and play like yeah
as we just go yeah um and yeah, we don't
really have films like that anymore. So that's another thing
that's like a real sort of gem about it, is
that like just these these moments that that are just
like cultural currency. Yeah, yeah, that's because everything's so spread out,
(47:25):
or because we don't haven't had a big, broad, mainstream
comedy in the cinema. I think that because culturally we've
moved and moved on and things are a bit more
subtle now, and because of the way that stuff gets
lines get delivered. Just not to be simplistic about it,
but like it doesn't lend itself to being quotable. I
feel like The Matrix is probably the last sort of
(47:47):
great quotable film, which would have been what was that
ninety nine that came out, So yeah, yeah, we we
We're just it's a different era, a bit of subtlety
and more nuance, so it doesn't sort of lend itself
to eat that or whatever or you know, all the
things that people the things that people say in the
(48:08):
film space. Yea interesting and your show you've been beyond
the delight. However, when you were getting ready to go
out silently as mister bean as you could be, you
tripped over. You spilled glass, a glass of water onto
(48:29):
your desk. It rolled off the desk in a sort
of cascade waterfall. You went to catch it. As you
went to catch it, you reached under near the plug
socket where the water landed. As you caught the glass,
you went, I've caught it, and then your finger caught
the end of the electric socket and you were electrocuted.
You're electrocuted, but that wasn't enough for you, so you
(48:51):
pulled your hand away and you were like, oh god,
I'm alive. And then you fell backwards step. Oh my god,
that sounds like you got supported and you weren't dead yet,
but you were very injured. And you managed to crawl
out the door into the road, and your dog ran past,
and you called your dog's name, but your dog thought
it was a different name and ran straight fast, and
(49:13):
then you were hit by busy. Anyway, it's just Shane.
I was walking around with the coffin, you know what.
I'm like. I see this bus go pass with you
on the front of me. I sand the show, so
I sort of run to the next stop and I go, sorry,
the bus you got and the your shoe on the
front of your bust and I peel you off. It's
a state. You're banned and massed up, and I haven't
(49:37):
got the dimensions of it, right, So I said to
bust trap if you've got and one of them like
fire axes, and he goes, yeah, yeah, they're start chopping
you up, chopping up people on the bus of screaming.
I go, it's all right, I know, and put all
of you in the coffin. But it's more than I
was expecting. And this coffin is absolutely ran. That's holiday
enough room. It's not you, it's the if you've accumulated
(50:00):
on your food in the streets and the boots you've
got bits of metal. Anyway, there's only enough room in
this coffee for me to slide one DVD for you
to take across to the other side. Every night is movie?
Now what film are you taking to show? Pastor puppies
when it is your movie name Puppies and you show
(50:21):
show incredible? Yeah man, because as well, yes, we can
all laugh about how we know that this is all
just a construct, but we're watching this movie about how
it's all a construct on the other side of the construct. Yeah,
that's what you are and your show. Is there anything
(50:43):
you'd like to tell people to listen to look out
for read read? Oh yeah, oh thanks, I'm sure. I
have a new book out. So I have a new
book out called Tough Crowd, which is out in the summer,
but it's available to pre order. Yes, it is um
(51:03):
and it's a rom com I guess, yeah, romm about
a comedian who she's a sort of aspiring open my
comedian and she meets a guy but it turns out
he has kids and that turns out to be the
tough crowd. Yeah. So it's kind of like it's a
(51:24):
bit obviously it's drawing on my experience from being a comedian,
but it's kind of kind of a little bit of
a farewell, farewell for now to comedy, but but also
about you know, the experience of dating somebody who's got kids.
That's a whole that's a whole thing. Have you sold
the film rights to this yet? I have not working
on it. Okay, let's let's get that done. Yeah. Thats
(51:46):
that Hans like a great book and a great film.
Thanks and your show. God, I like you. Thank you
very much for this. This has been wonderful. Oh, thank you.
It's been a pleasure. Have a lovely death. Good day
to you. Appreciate you, appreciate you. Okay, So that was
episode two hundred and forty two. Head over to the
(52:08):
Patreon at patreon dot com. Forward Slash Brett Gold seen
for the extra chat secrets videos and un episode with
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Plus and go to Apple Podcasts. Give us a five
star rating. But right about the film that means the
most to you and why it's a lovely thing to read,
makes my name and Mauren cry. Everyone loves it. Thank you.
Thank you so much to Andy for doing the show
(52:29):
and for being so open. Go watch her shows, read
her books, do everything you can. Thanks to Scrubius, Pip
and the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for
producing it. Thanks to ACAS visting it. Thanks to Adam
Richardson for the graphics at pleas to allow them for
the photography. Come and join me next week for a
brilliant episode with mister Adam Scott from Severance and step Brothers.
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That guy amazing. So that is it for now. I
hope you're all well in the meantime, have a lovely
week and please be excellent to each other. Point of
fun point of the backs us context us backs up,
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contect back
Look how he's only films to be buried with the
new season. Hello and welcome to Films to be Buried with.
We're back with a brand new season. My name is
(00:22):
Brick Golstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer, director,
a waite, and I love films. As roy T Bennett
once said, pursue what catches your heart, not what catches
your eyes. But on the other hand, do go see
dungeons and dragons on her among thieves because it's really delightful.
It's actually fantastic. Fair enough, good point, roy T Bennett.
Well done. Every week I invite a special guests over.
(00:43):
I tell them they've died. Then I get them to
discuss their life through the films that meant the most
of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone,
and even Cred Blamboles. But this week it's the brilliant comedian, actor, writer,
novelist and movie star. It's Andy O Show. This week
you can get the full season one of Shrinking on
(01:03):
Apple TV Plus. You can also get at this point
the first four episodes of ted Lasso season three, also
on app on TV plus. Watch Him Love Him head
over to the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash
Breck Goldstein, where you get an extra twenty minutes of
chat with Andy. We talk about secrets, we talk about
beginnings and endings. You also get the whole episode uncut
(01:25):
and as a video. Check it out at Patreon dot
com forward Slashbreck Goldstein. So I've missed you. I hope
you're all well. Thanks for hanging around. I've started with
this episode because Andy Oshow is amazing. I love this
episode so much. She was a brilliant comedian, started out
around the same time as me. She left comedy or
certainly took a break from it to go on an
(01:46):
amazing journey. She made huge decisions for her mental health
and for her life and for her spiritual growth. You'll
hear all about it on the episode. I think she's
fucking brilliant. She's incredible, access, she's a movie star, she's
all of it. Anyway, this episode is amazing. We recorded
it on zoom. We're so lovely to talk to her,
and I really think you're gonna love it. So thank
(02:08):
you and welcome back. So that is it for now.
I very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and
forty two of Films to be Buried with. Hello, and
welcome to Films to be Buried with. It is me
(02:31):
Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by an actor,
a writer, a novelist, a screenwriter, an award winner, a
stand up comedian, an international liberal, a woman, a hero,
a legend, a rising star, and soaring heights. She's here,
(02:58):
She's real. Can you believe it? I can. I'm looking right.
She's on the show. Please welcome. Is that the show?
Oh my gosh? What I mean? Can that be the
whole show? Just that intro? That's it? And then just
like we'll send out a PDF for a list of
films or something like that. I mean, I'm done. It's
(03:18):
not a bad idea little pdf. I mean, no one
cares about the film. How are you, Andy, I'm very well.
Thanks Brett Goldstein. How are you? I'm good Now. I'm
in LA you're in England. We're recording this on zoom.
I've got so many things to ask you, big things,
because you, if I may say a fascinating I said it.
(03:41):
Oh wow, it's out there. Yeah, the truth is out
And I sometimes think of you, if I may sort
of like you're the George Harrison of the UK comedy scene, like,
I think you started in comedy, you like sawed away,
huge news, started TV, you know, and then it seemed
(04:01):
it looked like you left it all to go on
a spiritual quest, and I love that and I'm so
fascinated about it. And then you suddenly you were Suddenly
I suddenly saw you in a horror film, an American
horror film turned out with a perfect American accent, and
I was like, Wow, what's happened? But on a spiritual
Quest came out horror horror icon? What can we talk
(04:23):
about this? And then I, who are you? Right? So
I'm kind of but there's actually three of us. Yeah,
I'm one of three triplets. I mean, that's how triplets
come anyway, isn't it. But that's really funny that that's
that's what it looked like from the Yeah, I haven't
discussed I haven't checked with other people if yeah, But
(04:47):
I was always fascinating because you were, so I'm interested
in people who are naturally very good at something and
do very well, who then decided it's not making them.
I assumed he didn't make you happy, or something was
missing in it, and it's so interesting. Yeah, that's exactly right.
I mean, you know, I started as an actor and
then I said to myself, like I wasn't getting any
love kind of from the industry. I mean, I was
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a bit I was getting auditions, but I wasn't like
landing any role. So I said, what can I do
that will let me have a bit more control. I'm
not waiting for someone else's approval before I can do
the thing that I love. And then that's how I
got into stand up And I think when I started,
I don't know about you, but I felt like it
was a bit of a game. I was enjoying the
game of it, like, oh that joke didn't work. What
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can I do to make it work? Oh? That worked?
And then I moved that and like it was almost
like this really interactive puzzle almost and so so yeah,
so I really enjoyed it in the early days. And
I remember the first time I got paid, and I
was like, oh, oh, this has changed everything because now
now yeah, because now there's a contract. Yeah, do you
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know what I mean? It's not about my puzzle. You
can't lose the game, no, exactly exactly. I've been paid
to win this yeah, and I remember going around going, oh,
you know, I think that's me. I'm out. This is
like about six months in, and you know, the people
were like, you're not you You clearly love it, so
you know you're not gonna You're not going to tap
out now, and then I kept going and then it
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just it just blew up, Like I mocked the Week
was the first thing that they were really the first
people that backed me in in any meaningful way that
sort of got me out there. And then it's sort
of it's almost like that was the endorsement that other
producers needed to go, oh no, we were gonna have
you one air show before, but we always said yeah.
So then yeah, it just sort of snowballed. And then
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I realized only recently that it was actually only a
couple of years that I was doing all the panel
shows and the Apollos and all that. And then round
about the start of two thousand and twelve, so my
first month the Week was beginning of two thousand and ten,
and then round about two thousand and twelve, I was like, man,
I'm unhappy. Yeah, like, and that was probably because that
(06:55):
year I did my second life at the Apollo. I
did you know a couple of weeks probably, and you know,
bach of other stuff, But I've never been more. I mean,
that was the worst bout of depression I've ever had,
and I have had it before. And yeah, so I
did basically what you said. I took myself away and
just had a little think about what do I really want?
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Because there was this big chasm opening up between who
I was on stage. I even referred to her in
the third person sometimes of like who that person is
and who I am? The gap was getting bigger it.
I didn't dress like her, I didn't talk like her.
I didn't do you know what I mean? She was
She was just someone I not only did I not recognize,
but I just I didn't have the energy to be
her anymore, do you know what I mean? So, yeah,
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you can. I ask you that was that like in
terms of your sort of consciousness of it. Was it
like you were just busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, and
then like one thing happened and you were like, fuck,
I'm unhappy? Or was it actually you were feeling consciously
unhappy for a long time. It was more like it
was a growing sense of something. But I didn't name it.
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And then actually I was on a call and I
it's sort of like a well being cause kind of thing,
and I came out of the other end of it.
Everyone else is kind of euphoric at the end of
this thing, and I was literally in despair and to
the point where the facilitator kind of called me and
called me in and he was just like, what's up,
because you know, he was so used to people leaving
this place, leaving this like weekend program in quite a
(08:21):
sort of altered state and just like different perspective on
the world. Now. I was just like, I think I
might just I think I might be done with living,
you know. So it was like it was really it
was really bad. I had to stop working actually, and
I had gigs booked in and actually I was gonna
do you remember that they don't do it anymore, but
that Channel four Great Almond Street, Yeah, like a million
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comedians I was. I was booked in to do that.
I was like, I can't do it. I you know,
it was like every everything out of out of the
diary because I was in such a Yeah, but it
wasn't like I just it wasn't a hard, abrupt stop
it was more like I it sort of petered out.
So I came to the States. I went to the State.
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Should I say, I went to the States. And I
still did some I was still doing gigs, but I
had this feeling like I was coming I was running
out of road as far as I was concerned, because
you know what it was, Brett, It was I realized
that I there was more to me than I was being.
I wouldn't I don't want to say allowed to do,
but there was more to me than I could share
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through just being a stand up you know what I mean,
Like creatively, there was more that I had to offer.
So I just felt like that that's the end of
that journey for now. It's not like I'll never go back.
Maybe I will, maybe I won't, But it felt like
at that point there wasn't anymore that I could do.
I mean, I was talking to you know, Luke Tilson.
He said, well, you basically closed the game and then
(09:47):
you got out, and it's kind of it's like, what
more can I because now one you know, at that
time and even still it was very difficult for somebody
like me, a woman and black women to get their
own vehicle and so you ended up in loads of
other people's vehicles. But but but there's only so many of
those that you can do before you're just it can
be quite unsatisfying, you know what I mean, Like constantly
(10:09):
the whole panel show carousel can get quite quiet, sort
of frustrating if you feel like there's more that I
could give than I'm being allowed to sort of express.
Can I give you a theory I have about yeah? Please? Well,
I wonder if particularly because you were sort of picked
young as it were, as in fairly new, and it
(10:29):
was like she's good, we should we should put her
on TV that often TV comics. What happens in sort
of mainstream TV comedy, I think is that persona's comedy
persona has become too dimensional because it's much easier to
do it in five minutes and three minutes in a
one notes like he's the grumpy one, Like Jack d
he's the grumpy one. There's Michael backdad, he's the push one.
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Like it's just you reduce that person to a sort
of one attitude that is funny and great, But on
TV they become often reduced to a kind of bite
says mister man character. You know what I mean, and
if you were early on finaled into this, you you
were a person, and then you were like, no, you're
a TV comic. Can we reduce you to your this
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and this and that's it? Yeah, And maybe that's where
you felt, this isn't me. I want to express all
this stuff. And I do believe stand up, busy up
for me you can express anything, but not in broad
mainstream TV. It's almost impossible. It's so rare to I
can't really think of an example where you go, that
was a really complicated you know what I mean, like
a really fascinating character we just met. It's more like
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that was the angry one, that was the silly one,
that was you know what I mean, that's really really
wise And yeah, I can really see that as well.
And I used to have these sort of sort of
fantas Daniel Kits and type fantasies that oh, one day,
maybe I could just write a show about what I'm
thinking and feeling and not be censored or any And
(11:56):
then I go, now, you got, you know, I mean,
because I I'd almost gasolate myself into thinking, oh, I
have to do all these things. I have to do
the panel shows, I have to do all these silly
kind of panel show pilots that were really sometimes quite
not humiliating, but like not gratifying really in any way,
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because I told myself, I had this belief that that
was what I was supposed to be doing, do you
know what I mean? But actually taking myself away and
made me realize, oh I can I can do whatever
I want. There might be a cost, as in, you know,
financially or intensive, I don't know, career progression or status
or whatever, but sometimes for your mental health that cost
is in fact always for your mental health, that cost
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is worth paying. Amazing. And so can you tell me
a bit about the positive second half of that story
of like going on your spiritual quest, Like at what
point were you like, oh, I'm starting to feel like
this is yeah, how you yeah going? So I guess
those years in LA and I was sort of coming
back to the u K. And I got myself a
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little kind of career coach who was talking me through
my experiences because it was very it looks like I
went off, you know, and then came back and got
all these like whole fun roles in things. But actually
there was a lot of soul searching a lot of
like I remember having like skypes with my mom of
like and saying to her, I know I meant to
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be here, but I don't know why. But more tears
than that, she you know, she's desmate for me to
come home, because it's just like, well, if you don't know,
if you don't know why you're there or whatever, if
you haven't, maybe that's not what you should be. But
I just knew that I should be. And actually, looking back,
what I realized the time was about was about shedding
things that shackles basically that were holding me back creatively,
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finding my confidence to call myself an artist. I would
have been embarrassed to say that at the time that
I left, you know what I mean, and like explore
the things that were creatively interesting to me rather than
what I felt like I should be doing, because that
was the opportunity that had been placed immediately in front
of me. And yeah, just releasing myself from any burden
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to be something that I thought other people thought I
should be. So coming home as it were in a
sort of literal sense, but figuratively as well. It wasn't
like I was flushed with work when I was in
the States, and in fact I did work in the
UK to sort kind of bankroll the experience. But at
the end of it, I realized that what I had
(14:27):
gained is a real deep confidence and belief in myself
or my ability to do the things that I knew
would like me up, rather than doing things that I
felt like I should, And that was a bigger gift
than if I had worked loads. Actually, you're a fucking hero.
Do you have a sort of practice? I mean, I
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guess what masking is like. Do you have like a
routine because you seem, you know, you seem wonderful, as
you seem very happy and puzzitive, and you seem in
a very good place. Is it constant work to be
in as a do you do you do things like
I meditate every morning, I work out, Like what do
you have a thing? Or are you just generally I
feel much better. I think to say I have a
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practice would be generous to myself. It's more like, but
you know, someone says something to me once about you know,
just beginning again. Because people like if they want to
say they want to start working out, they'll go and
then it might peter out and they'll think, oh I
failed I failed to go into the gym because I'm
no longer going. You just begin again, and that is
(15:29):
what it is. It's not it's not it's not necessarily
a constant. So my practices are all beginning again. I
start meditation, and I go, this is it this time,
this is the one. This is where you catch me
doing it every day morning. And then after a month,
I'm out, and then I start again, and I forgive
myself for that falling, and then I kind of think
(15:50):
of other things as meditation, like I journal and that. Yeah,
So as a writer, I realized that actually, maybe sitting
still with my own noisy brain isn't the best way
for me to meditate. And I've realized that maybe writing
but doing it in a conscious way, maybe that can
be my meditation. And as long as you're bringing consciousness
to it, then it can be a form of like
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quietening the brain and or listening to the observing the
movement of the mind. And that's really what meditation is.
It's not about sitting in silence or your brain going quiet,
and that's impossible because of just biomechanics or whatever, but
like or neuro mechanics, but like just observing it that
can give you just that slim of distance that you
can be with your thoughts rather than be them. So
(16:35):
that's yeah, So that's the practice well being. You know,
like I don't drink as much as I used to have.
I like a glass of wine every now and again,
but a kana basically, like I have been eating. Well,
you know all the cliches, but they like accumulatively, they
make such a difference. I feel like I'm observing for
my mental health. It just makes a huge difference. And
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I've seen the cost of not looking after myself in
those respects, so that that's really all it is. It's
a personal thing of like does this cost me to
not look after myself in these areas? If you can
get away with it, then please have at it. Live
your life on my behalf, you know what I mean.
But like, for the most part, because of the way
humans are built, we can't really not for a long
(17:17):
period of time, I have forgotten to tell you something,
and it's so annoying because oh god, as long as
that's something silly like I've died or something like that. Um, well, shit,
well it actually don't oh don't, Oh my god, I
(17:37):
know if you meditated journey when you work out. But
you I thought if I made noises over you're saying,
it wouldn't be real. But it is really dead dead.
How did you die? Well, I don't think it'll be
a health related thing. And here's why I think I
think it will be. I'm clumsy in a way where
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the thing escalate. It's really quickly, Like I could be
at one end of the bathroom and drop something and
somehow it ends up in the toilet. Do you know
what I mean? Like, it's like I don't have a
lot of accidents, but they're always like kind of low
key spectacular like that. Like literally, just before we started recording,
I tipped over a glass, whole glass of water, and
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it started spilling over the edge of the table into
a socket. Of course, there's an electrical socket immediately underneath
a table, So it'll probably be some domestic related accident,
like an electrocution or falling off a roof or out
of a window or something like that. So, yeah, would
you like to pig mister bean? Do you direct? Yes,
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I'll die silently from electrication. Okay, do you worry about death? Yeah,
now I do. I just turned fifty like, oh was
it a three two? It's happened. I know we're all
heading there, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the fuck out
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tell you what though, It's enough make you think about
life in a different way. I don't know if all
fifty year olds will concur, but I had this real
sense of like, oh, this is I mean literally, this
is not a drill. This is this is it now
and it's all from here on. It's about dying well,
doing the things that you really want to do, not
getting caught up with the things you don't want to do,
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losing the people that are no good in your life.
I've surround yourself with good folks, eating well, you know,
do you know? I mean it's stuck dying well, Oh
my god, in the gut you got in the gut?
Are you waiting ten fifty? It's going to be a
suck a bunch in the face. Oh good, that's good.
I'm enjoying it. Well, I mean I don't want to
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be that person. But you look in your twenties, so
whatever you're doing is not electrocuting myself. Yeah, hold off
on that for a big record. I record, you've got
a few more in you. What do you think happens
when you die. I saw this name that I rather
like that said something like, maybe the white light at
the end of the tunnel is you coming out of
(20:18):
someone's vagina. Wow, yeah, I love it. Straight backround, straight background.
Maybe that's what it is. I think that is what
it is. But I do think you get a little
gap in the middle of well, the gap because it's
outside of time, because obviously times a man made construct.
The gap could be infinite. The gap could be you
(20:39):
could go somewhere else or whatever, but it's you're an
infinite no time, no space, and then there you are
pop out again. Oh I've been born. Someone I spoke
to the other day said that you come back three times,
and I was like, I don't think that's right. I
think you come back a billion times, or it's once. Yeah.
When three seems like yeah, well, I guess rule of three.
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Rule of three three, It feels like if we're talking
about the oneness of all things, then it's got to
be none or one. Really three feels like that belongs
more in mythology rather than like, yeah, three seems like
you haven't really experienced all the things in three. I mean,
you just keep looping around and and maybe you can
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take a little break, and you know, I just want
to be part of the oneness for a bit and
then and then you go back in again. I'll tell
you what. That's enough oneness for a bit. Exactly. You're
one down this one Jesus space. I want to be two.
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I'm an. Well, there is a gap and it's called heaven.
You're in it. You're welcome. People very excited to hear you,
see you and watch you, and they want to this
field with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Probably
pastor oh oh, my puppy, of course. Okay, it is
filled with your puppy, as if you'll, probably were made
(22:05):
of pasta, so it's like a spaghetti puppy. Pretty cute, Yeah,
pretty cute. Actually, just the right temperature and soliditate, little
pasta puppy. Yeah, run around everywhere. Everyone's excited to see you.
They want to talk about your life through film. First
thing they ask you, it's odd. First thing they ask
you is what is the first film you remember seeing
(22:26):
and your show? I think it was some kind of
Disney situation, and my my feeling is it was probably
The Rescuers. Oh yeah, lovely doesn't get talked about enough
in the Disney chat you know what I mean. You
go on your Disney whatsapped thread, which obviously I'm in
all of it. Rescues don't come up a lot. Film,
(22:49):
I mean, tell me more. I don't remember very much
about it, because you know, I must have been really young.
I don't even know when it came out. But I
was thinking about, you know, when my mum used to
take a to the pictures and that, because I wonder
if it was just a little bit of a respite.
She was a single month three kids. It's kind of
like just just quiet for two hours. And in those days,
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you know, there was the little short or whatever featurette
that they'd have at the beginning. There'd be an intermission,
ice creams and all the rest of it, and then
the main event so we could be there for half
a day sort of thing. But yeah, I don't remember
the film, but I remember being absolutely captivated by film,
and I mean later on, I remember seeing Annie and
(23:32):
crying all the way home and being so confused that
what had happened up there had affected my heart so much,
and so I was trying to hide it. I was.
I remember like being in the car and my brothers
were on and I was like like crying out of
the side of it because because I was so embarrassed,
(23:54):
because I was like, how could I have been affected
by by that? Yeah? It was like a really like
bewildering moment of just like it's two, why is this
having this effect on me? Well, so there's three of you? Yeah,
so I've got two older brothers. Yeah, where was this?
This would have been? This would have been I think
(24:15):
it's called the Gemini or something like that, our genesis
in Bow. It didn't used to it. It was called
something else. But there's a yeah, you know, like between
Stepney and like near Stepnie exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
love that. Now tell me this, what's the film that
made you cry the most? Other than Annie? Annie is
a stone cold class Oh yeah, and did you get
(24:36):
better at crying? He's still horrified and embarrassed, but it
funny enough. The one that I would actually say is
the film that's made me cry the most. I cried
in the same way of almost like overwhelmed by my
overwhelmed by my crying, and it was it was Moonlight Man,
and what feel right? And so I went like I
(24:59):
got a an invite to a screening, so I didn't
really know what it was. I wasn't aware of Barry
Jenkins's work, and so it went and was I mean,
you know, blown away doesn't even cover it. But then
there was a Q and a after and everybody was
there really and I think I think that Harris was
there obviously about jen and I was. I remember just
(25:21):
looking up to try and see if I could balance
the tiss in my mind because otherwise I was gone
and I wanted to ask a question, but it would
have been like have you got tissue? So I could. Yeah,
I mean that was, Yeah, it was almost out of
body experience. How moved I was by that by that
film because for me, and I've listened to his films
(25:43):
covered with oh my god, such a great episode. And
for me, Moonlight was about finding your home and it
wasn't about a place, it was about a person. And
so eventually that character finds his home in the person
that has been his home this whole time. But like
you just think, give himself permission to feel it, to
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go there or you know whatever. So yeah, I was
just I don't know why that resonates are strongly for me,
but I'm done. Oh don't you Oh okay, doctor No,
I can't see where that would resonate review sty strange. Yeah, okay,
(26:25):
all right, very good film. It was justly quite enjoyable.
It's just a good film about being scared. What's the
film that's scared you? Well, you kind of mentioned it already.
I mean, apart from the obvious, I'm very susceptible, absolutely
terrified those mess o man, Yeah, you mentioned it already. Well,
(26:51):
I was going to say I am susceptible. So pretty
much every horror film, even if it's not meant to
be a horror, I'm terrified. But one day my agent
messages me and says, oh, you know, this director wants
to want you to come and read for his film.
Here's a short that the film is based on. And
he just sends me a YouTube link. So, and it's daytime.
I'm at home and I think nothing of it. Okay, yeah,
(27:13):
good research. I have a look at the film before
I go in, So I hit play and it's the
short of lights Out and have you seen it? Yeah? Short.
The short is so simple. It's basically this woman going
to bed and she turns off the light. In the
hall and then at the end she just sees this figure.
She turns a light back on. The fuck was that?
It's gone? She turns the light off again, the figures
(27:36):
moved closer. I was even now I could just because
I'm so susceptible, and that is something that I do fear,
is like someone something at the window or breaking in
or something like that. I was done. That's and to me,
like proportionately, that's the film that scared me the most
because for something that's three minutes long and I couldn't
(27:56):
even I had to push the computer away to be
able to watch, it seems like got what the divide?
What the conceit was? I was just like nah, nah,
So that yeah, in terms of proportion of you know,
length of movie to how scared, I hands hands down,
its lights out. Well, great film, it was great. How
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was your meeting then when you went there? Were like, fuck?
I mean yeah it was good. He's yeah, very David
is very sort of chilled out. He's yeah, but yeah
it was. Well I got the job, so I must
have gone, all right, you did very. That's where That's
where I was like, I what I went to sit
at and I was so excited to see Anyway, what
(28:39):
is the film that you love? However, it's not critically acclaimed,
most people don't like it, but you love it, and
everyone's an idiot. You know what? I think this is
a really tricky question because I've got exceptional taste, and
for me it usually goes the other way. Is that
(29:00):
like there's films that everybody loves and I'm just like,
I'm gootna I just go and get it, like Wolf
of Wall Street. You know what I've noticed as well.
I think it's films where I'm gonna say it's like
toxic masculinity basically going unchecked, because I think it's possible
to make a moral film about an im moral person,
but if you make an a moral film about an
(29:22):
a moral person, it's just like, how is that a contribution?
And it's you know, it's not my place to critique Scots,
but like I feel sometimes that certain films like The
Joker maybe, and where where male characters have made choices
and they they go unchecked because you can have people,
(29:43):
you can have characters do all those dreadful things. I believe,
but the film standpoint. I resonate more if the film
standpoint is, but that's wrong obviously, right, Whereas in movies
where that doesn't happen, I'm like, so what are you saying?
And so there's certain films that have been very popular
that have been that that sort of a moral film
about an im moral character, and I've been like, guys, no,
(30:06):
I'm sorry, I'm not into this one. Do you know
what I'm with you? I think I'm almost completely with you,
except for I went to see Wolf of Wall Street
and I felt the same way you did. I was like,
I don't like this film. This seems like a sort
of sort of bad intention film or something like that.
And then maybe a year or two later, it was
on TV and I just sort of started it. I
(30:28):
sort of flicked onto it, and I thought, this film
is fucking brilliant and I've totally missed Judson. It's so funny,
and actually I think it is all the things. It's
just quite clever because it kind of guys presented without comment,
but they're definitely the bad guys. Definitely definitely the bad guys,
and actually the Kyle Chandler, who is the good guy. Yeah, Yeah,
(30:50):
it's just it's actually quite subtly done in like the
final moment with him having having achieved what he set
out to achieving, yet he's just on a subway on
his own in a like wearing ship clothes in the
ship place because the system is rigged against the good people,
you know. Yeah, I was actually like, this film is
I think it's a brilliant film, but I really hated
it the first time. I was really like, this seems
(31:12):
like a morally objectionable and then the same time I
was like, oh no, it's very clever. That's really interesting
because I feel like I sometimes don't want to believe
that revisiting a film will will have you seen anything,
and it's just totally not true. Is it Like you
can go back to things and just go, wow, how
did I miss that? So I'd very much like the
open term revisiting it. But that was my experience at
(31:33):
the time of Ye I'm with you. It was also
much funnier than one side was on board with it.
I was like, this is a very very funny film,
but it's yeah, it is the thing of I think
he's kind of in a way he's going I trust you,
the audience. I'm not going to spell this out like
you tell me. You love this guy, you wouldn't be
(31:54):
like this guy. Okay, yeah, you guys all this stuff. Yeah,
here's it. Here it is Walts and all. Okay, I'll
is it because also off the back of your podcast,
I did, actually because Barry Jenkins's answers. This was Last
Action Hero. So I I went because I really liked
that at the time that it came out, and yeah,
I was sort of Yeah, I was surprised that it
(32:16):
didn't get any love, but yeah, I thought it was
all right. I leave it in like nineteen ninety five
or whenever it came out again. That belongs back there. Okay,
what about the film that you used to love but
you've watched recently and you've thought, I don't like this anymore.
Maybe you've changed. Oh do you know this is going
(32:37):
to be a controversial one except for I guess fans
of the Big Bang theory. But like I loved Raiders
as lost up. Yeah, but then and I and I,
you know, I sometimes have a little Sunday afternoon, like
you know, go and visit revisit a classic. And I
watched it and I was not into it at all.
Oh God, I can't hear this. I know. I'm so sorry.
(32:59):
I don't even I can't even believe I'm saying it. Why,
I don't. No, I don't even think I can bear
to say the words how I was feeling. I just
but but don't they say I'm the big bang theory
that like there's like he doesn't advance the plot at all.
Isn't there some like an episode where it's like this
(33:20):
is this really controversial theory that one of them has
that like Harrison Fall's character doesn't actually advance the lt
at all, But that wasn't Yeah, he makes no difference
to the in the end. Yeah, that's quite fun. Yeah,
I just didn't. I just I'm going to just say
I didn't enjoy it. That's that's what it is. Well,
that's all we've got time. It was going so well,
(33:44):
I know, what is the film that means the most
to you? Not because the film is good necessarily, but
the experience you had seeing it will always make it
meaningful to you. And gosh, I could crime and just
thinking of the moment, but it was it was it
was probably yeah, it was Black Panther. Gosh, yeah, because
(34:07):
you know, you know, there's a lot of conversation around
when that movie came out about you know, representation and
how much that matters, and also the fact that it's
set on the continent of Africa, but also that it
you know, it includes the diaspora in the storytelling, you know,
like kill Monger's story is so yeah, so vital. And
(34:32):
then so there was this one moment where it's quite
early on in the film where the n Carea's character
comes out and she says, we're home, and then just
Wakanda just opens up and it's just I just oh,
it was just so that went into my soul, just
that image and just watching a movie where the scenes
where everybody's black, you know what I mean, in a
(34:54):
in a Bobuster movie. Like I think when you've been
used to seeing yoursel I've represented the impact of black panther,
I think probably is it might be difficult to comprehend
like how significant that was to see finally you or
people that look like you represented in that way. It's
(35:17):
all powerful and brilliant and smart and sexy and strong
and you know, do you know what I mean? And
and having governance over their their path and making decisions
for themselves without any interference or all that sort of stuff.
So yeah, that was that was very big. That was
(35:38):
a very sort of powerful moment. And then that same day,
so I was filming on something and we were on
night shoots. So I went to I got up at
that mid day and I was like, oh, what can
I do in my day? We're going to be filming
probably from about six. So I was like, I went
to see Black Panther. And then we had a call
from production saying, oh, you know, tonight might be snowed
(35:58):
off sort of thing. It might not happen, might not
be filming. So we all got all the carts, got
together and we're like, oh, should we go and watch
a film? Yeah? Great, would you want to watch? And
went Shape of Water. I was a girl, ba I
just want to watch Black Father again. I mean you
went twice in one day, twice in one day, and
(36:19):
I was just just as happy and sort of immersed
and just transported the second time as much as I
was the first time. That's wonderful. It was just brilliant.
It's a fucking great film and yeah everything, Yeah, the
fact that it's also a huge fucking box office success.
(36:39):
It is like answers every question exactly, may you know
what I mean, what is the film you most relate
to and do your show? You see, now we're not
talking about as in a character, because I don't feel
like there's any specific community. Well, probably for me it's
the Matrix, because I like the way you're thinking, Neo,
(37:01):
this isn't all there is? Is there? You are? Well?
Not not quite. I mean I like to think that
I would be Naobe, but I think I'm probably cypher,
you know, the one that wants to get put back
into the matrix. You know, make me something important like
an actor. No, you're on Live at the Apollo thinking
(37:22):
is this it? Yeah, there must be. I love it exactly.
Follow the Rabbit. Yeah, mate, I'm one of the few
people that really love all three films. I mean two
not so much, but like I love them before, we
don't talk about but I love them all. Four is fascinating.
(37:42):
Four I watched recently and was like, what what a wow?
In what way? What were your what you just like
in terms of it's so crazy right, like I said,
it's such a crazy starting point, and that they or
the metal still very meta talk within it. Well done,
(38:03):
it's great, good, good, good work. It's interesting. I didn't think, Well,
it's something you made some choices. Definitely, Yeah, definitely not
what I was expecting. Something's kind of it. Yeah, what
about sexiest? What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? And
(38:25):
so I took this to be not as in sex
but sexy, So outside fucking correct answer. Correct. Yeah, I
think that is, like, that's the goal. If actors are
looking for on screen chemistry, head there and if you
(38:46):
even get yes, that's just I mean, obviously the filmmaking,
you know, because of the mood of that movie is
just obviously lends itself to making it sexy. But the
those two actors in that situation perfect, those two, the
lighting and the soundtrack agreed, and it's just fucking yeah,
(39:09):
it's really hot film. Yeah. Yeah. And your show, there's
a it's a subcategory now at the intellectual section of
the show, troubling bonus, worrying wide dones a film you
found a rousing that you weren't sure that you should. Yeah,
I mean, I want to. I want to help out
with this one. I want to. I want to be
(39:29):
a useful contributor. But there's nothing I think that I
have a response to the things that are meant you
know what I mean, Like, there's nothing right. Yeah, I
don't watch the Rescuers and feel anything. It's basically what
I'm saying. Yeah, you're saying, never had a worrying wide done.
All the wide dones were pure, Yeah they were the
(39:50):
source material was appropriate to the response. That's what I'm saying.
You're sticking with. Okay, Okay, so rescues that nothing nothing, no,
nothing nothing. I couldn't even think because you know, I mean,
guys have got Jessica Rabbit and I and I and
(40:12):
I kind of get that, do you know what I mean?
But like, there isn't there isn't an equivalent for women
that you or for you know, for a straight woman,
there's not a there's not a he Man Hercules. No. Yeah, unbelievable.
What is objectively? Objectively? Objectively? Of course, the greatest film
(40:36):
of all time might be your favorite. No it's not,
and I've only watched it the once. But I'm going
to say The Godfather too, Okay, Yeah, why are you
throwing that? Well? I just remember finishing that film. It's
just like, wow, that had subtitles and I really enjoyed it.
That must be good. I mean, I've watched. I went
(40:57):
through this the nero phase and so obviously that was
essential viewing. But yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't get on
with the old you know, cotton wool in the mouth
and the Godfather thing. That really took me out of it.
But Godfather too was kind of just had every element
of storytelling, got also performance in there that you that
(41:18):
you would want and I felt like but but weirdly,
I didn't want to watch it again. And that's that's
often the way, isn't it with the really great films
is like like Citizen Kane, we watched at college and
have never felt inclined to revisit it. Yeah, that's interesting.
Casablanca saw it again, We watched it at college. It's like,
that was great. But I will watch, you know, Shortshack
(41:41):
reduption ten times before I'll ever watch that again. I
think it's easily like long depressing words. I think, yeah
we did that, Yeah we made it at some point.
There were two sets of footprints in the sand. But
what is the film that you could or have watched
(42:03):
the most over and over again. Oh that's easy. That's aliens.
Nice sounds that hasn't come up. Oh yeah, you're right.
At school everyone was watching Aliens all the time. Well
I didn't. Again, it's kind of horror essentially, so I
couldn't have. But when I was doing my UM, I
did an HND and like program TV and film and stuff,
(42:26):
and the lecturer I had us watch Aliens or maybe Alien. Anyway,
I was hooked. So I don't know why. This is
a perfect store for me. This is everything I want. Marines,
there's jokes, there's guns, Aliens. It was brilliant. I just
and I kind of almost preferred Aliens to Alien. Yeah,
I'm you know, a James Cameron fan, I guess, And
(42:48):
so yeah, I've watched that so many times. I mean literally,
like it would be a ritual. I go out on
a Saturday night with my mates and then we go
around his house and then we on the Sunday were
would probably watching the Terminator two most likely Aliens and
be mumbling incorrectly usually their lines along with which I
(43:10):
just love it. That's great, that's great. Do you like
your way of water? Be happy with your way of water?
James Cameron fan, Yeah, I yeah, I thought I thought
it was all right. Actually I didn't mind it at all.
I mean I don't think advtar advertars I didn't mind
it too many stars. It's not my favorite of his staff.
(43:36):
I really like Titanic. I think that's great. I like
Aliens and two Terminator a bit, but Terminator feels very
much like Alien in the sense of spare, whereas you know,
obviously Terminated too is all guns much more gunsy. Yeah,
that word it is. Yeah, it is very gunsy. Actually
(44:01):
my weekend. We don't like to be negative all the
spiritual work with Dad, but here we are. What's the
worst field we ever saw? I mean, there is every possibility,
because I only watch it the ones, there is every
possibility that it's not as bad as I thought it
was at the time. But there's a film called The
Other Sister where it's it's I think it's sort of
(44:22):
like maybe early nineties or late eighties, and it's uh, oh,
what's the access name? Givanni and Juliet Yeah, and Juliet Lewis,
and they're playing two people who fall another they have
learning difficulties and okay, so there's there's the issue for me.
M m. Yes. And it's directed by Gary Marsham. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
(44:47):
they both have learning difficulties in it. Yeah, And actually
I watched the trailer recently to just because I was like,
was it as offensive? Yeah, And the joke wasn't on them.
They weren't like ha ha ha look at learning people
were learning disabilities. But still to see two actors perform
(45:12):
that it was it was tricky, like it wouldn't be
done now. Yes, but you have to sort of, I guess,
give a little bit of latitude for what happened then,
not to say that it's okay, but like it was
a different time. Yes, what's the film? Hang on? You
(45:34):
used to be in comedy. You were a brilliant comedian,
one of the greats. You remain as funny as ever.
That's the film that made you laugh the most. It
might not be the funniest made you laughter most, maybe
laughter most. I think it's probably apparently. It's probably not apparently.
I get that it's problematic for some folks now trading places.
(45:56):
Yeah yeah, why so? Yeah? Why funny or why problematic? Yeah?
Is that? I don't know, it's problematic? Oh man, I
just all the performances is definitely. That's that's it. That's
what it is, is what it is. Eddie Murphy at
the top of his game, but also that pairing with
(46:19):
Dnacroid is perfect because him playing that sort of up
type privileged, so he has an existential crisis. Essentially, it's
sort of a buzz lightyear realization, Oh that's who I
am sort of thing. But yeah, the combination of them
and the sort of skewing of that world is really
(46:39):
really well done, and you can feel, well, I hope
that it's I hope that it was as fun to
film as it seems to have been, and like you
know what I mean, like that it was alive. It's
crackling with like you feel like, you know, the actors
had latitude to sort of riff and find stuff. But again,
it's one of those films and I sort of wish
we had more films like that, but we don't seem to.
But like films that are really quotable, do what I mean,
(47:01):
Like we used to quote trade and play like yeah
as we just go yeah um and yeah, we don't
really have films like that anymore. So that's another thing
that's like a real sort of gem about it, is
that like just these these moments that that are just
like cultural currency. Yeah, yeah, that's because everything's so spread out,
(47:25):
or because we don't haven't had a big, broad, mainstream
comedy in the cinema. I think that because culturally we've
moved and moved on and things are a bit more
subtle now, and because of the way that stuff gets
lines get delivered. Just not to be simplistic about it,
but like it doesn't lend itself to being quotable. I
feel like The Matrix is probably the last sort of
(47:47):
great quotable film, which would have been what was that
ninety nine that came out, So yeah, yeah, we we
We're just it's a different era, a bit of subtlety
and more nuance, so it doesn't sort of lend itself
to eat that or whatever or you know, all the
things that people the things that people say in the
(48:08):
film space. Yea interesting and your show you've been beyond
the delight. However, when you were getting ready to go
out silently as mister bean as you could be, you
tripped over. You spilled glass, a glass of water onto
(48:29):
your desk. It rolled off the desk in a sort
of cascade waterfall. You went to catch it. As you
went to catch it, you reached under near the plug
socket where the water landed. As you caught the glass,
you went, I've caught it, and then your finger caught
the end of the electric socket and you were electrocuted.
You're electrocuted, but that wasn't enough for you, so you
(48:51):
pulled your hand away and you were like, oh god,
I'm alive. And then you fell backwards step. Oh my god,
that sounds like you got supported and you weren't dead yet,
but you were very injured. And you managed to crawl
out the door into the road, and your dog ran past,
and you called your dog's name, but your dog thought
it was a different name and ran straight fast, and
(49:13):
then you were hit by busy. Anyway, it's just Shane.
I was walking around with the coffin, you know what.
I'm like. I see this bus go pass with you
on the front of me. I sand the show, so
I sort of run to the next stop and I go, sorry,
the bus you got and the your shoe on the
front of your bust and I peel you off. It's
a state. You're banned and massed up, and I haven't
(49:37):
got the dimensions of it, right, So I said to
bust trap if you've got and one of them like
fire axes, and he goes, yeah, yeah, they're start chopping
you up, chopping up people on the bus of screaming.
I go, it's all right, I know, and put all
of you in the coffin. But it's more than I
was expecting. And this coffin is absolutely ran. That's holiday
enough room. It's not you, it's the if you've accumulated
(50:00):
on your food in the streets and the boots you've
got bits of metal. Anyway, there's only enough room in
this coffee for me to slide one DVD for you
to take across to the other side. Every night is movie?
Now what film are you taking to show? Pastor puppies
when it is your movie name Puppies and you show
(50:21):
show incredible? Yeah man, because as well, yes, we can
all laugh about how we know that this is all
just a construct, but we're watching this movie about how
it's all a construct on the other side of the construct. Yeah,
that's what you are and your show. Is there anything
(50:43):
you'd like to tell people to listen to look out
for read read? Oh yeah, oh thanks, I'm sure. I
have a new book out. So I have a new
book out called Tough Crowd, which is out in the summer,
but it's available to pre order. Yes, it is um
(51:03):
and it's a rom com I guess, yeah, romm about
a comedian who she's a sort of aspiring open my
comedian and she meets a guy but it turns out
he has kids and that turns out to be the
tough crowd. Yeah. So it's kind of like it's a
(51:24):
bit obviously it's drawing on my experience from being a comedian,
but it's kind of kind of a little bit of
a farewell, farewell for now to comedy, but but also
about you know, the experience of dating somebody who's got kids.
That's a whole that's a whole thing. Have you sold
the film rights to this yet? I have not working
on it. Okay, let's let's get that done. Yeah. Thats
(51:46):
that Hans like a great book and a great film.
Thanks and your show. God, I like you. Thank you
very much for this. This has been wonderful. Oh, thank you.
It's been a pleasure. Have a lovely death. Good day
to you. Appreciate you, appreciate you. Okay, So that was
episode two hundred and forty two. Head over to the
(52:08):
Patreon at patreon dot com. Forward Slash Brett Gold seen
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Plus and go to Apple Podcasts. Give us a five
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makes my name and Mauren cry. Everyone loves it. Thank you.
Thank you so much to Andy for doing the show
(52:29):
and for being so open. Go watch her shows, read
her books, do everything you can. Thanks to Scrubius, Pip
and the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for
producing it. Thanks to ACAS visting it. Thanks to Adam
Richardson for the graphics at pleas to allow them for
the photography. Come and join me next week for a
brilliant episode with mister Adam Scott from Severance and step Brothers.
(52:51):
That guy amazing. So that is it for now. I
hope you're all well in the meantime, have a lovely
week and please be excellent to each other. Point of
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