August 28, 2024 • 50 mins
LOOK OUT! It’s only Films To Be Buried With!
Join your host Brett Goldstein as he talks life, death, love and the universe with the hilarious writer, comic and actor HEIDI GARDNER!
Heidi is well versed in the world of Saturday Night Live, an institution hugely loved and regarded in the US but not amazingly well known in the UK. So it's a lovely thing to hear some behind the scenes chat from someone so woven into the tapestry of it, for anyone who's a long term fan or someone less familiar. Of course the chat goes so much further, with her hairdressing history, cats, process, monologues, threatening coaches of the mind, videos, watching horrors too young and the Scared Straight model of film education. Tons to enjoy! Which you shall!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look at hell. There's only films to be buried with.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hello, and welcome to films to be buried with. My
name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer,
a director, a code and I love film. As John
Green once said, the marks humans leave are too often scars.
Have you seen Midsummer? That shit fucked me up? Bro
fair enough, John, it was pretty intense. Actually, every week
I invite a special guest over. I tell them they've died.
Then I get them to discuss their life through the
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films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include
Barry Jenkins, Amber Ruffin, Mark Frost, Sharon Stone, and even
Dead Bambles. But this week it is the brilliant actor
and star of SNL It's Heidi Gardner. Tickets are on
shale for the final leg of my stand up tour
in America. I think I've got seven dates left for
the second Best Night of Your Life show. Been doing
it all over the country here, It's been fucking fun.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Come along.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I'll be playing the legendary Red Rocks Venue in Denver
on the twentieth of September. I'll be playing The Fox
the Air in Atlanta, September twenty first, I'll be in
New Orleans October fourth, Fort Laulsdale October fifth, Baltimore October eighteenth,
Seattle again on November one, and Bellingham November two. Get
tickets at Brett Goldstein Tour dot com. And if that's
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not enough for you, if you're not sick of me
by then head over to the Patreon at Patreon dot
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Check it out Patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So Heidi Gardner.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Heidi Gardner is a brilliant comedic actor. She's a regular
on SNL and she stares on the show I co
created with Bill Lawrence called Shrinking. She's in season one
and season two, which is coming soon in October. You've
seen her in all your favorite sketches. You've seen her
in all your favorite sitcoms. She's fucking brilliant. I was
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so happy to get to hang out with everyone zoom
a few weeks ago. I think you're really going to
enjoy this one. So that is it for now? I
very much hope you enjoy episode three hundred and fourteen
of Films to be Buried With? Hello, and welcome to
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Films to be Buried With?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by
an actor, a writer, an improviser, a sketcho, an essenella,
a girls five ever?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And is it Caker and Michael Chaya.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
A Kimmy spitter, a Meet Papa, a Kansas City lady.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And the star of Shrinking and a boop? Here she is?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Can you believe she's real? I sure can I'm looking
at her. Welcome to the show. It's the brilliant Indy Gardener.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Hello, Oh hello, Hid Gardner. How are you?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Sometimes it takes someone else reminding you of the really
cool things you've done to be like, oh, my gosh,
that's really cool.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I was part of all those really neat things.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, it's a very it's a very cool. I was
looking at all the all the things you've been on.
It's like, oh, you've been on all the best sort
of sitcoms of the last You've done all the very
good stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Like that's a really good list. I mean, thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I can't speak for Shrinking, but the rest of them,
I mean, I fucking love him. So I know you
from Shrinking. Yes, season two is coming out soon. I've
seen all of it, you have, Yeah, and it's fucking
brilliant and you're brilliant in it, and I'm very excited
for the world to see it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I feel very proud of it. I think it's good stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's really good stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It's really good stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
It's really good stuff, and it's always Yeah. Obviously, you know,
I get people come up to me the most about SNL,
but I want to say people are starting to come
up to me the most about Shrinking, Like people love
that show.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Nice. Nice, You're very goodn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And you're you're You're right, You're there right from the start,
You're five minutes in the show. Obviously we can't talk
about anything that happens in season two sadly, but can
I ask you or are you sick of talking about it?
I'm so fascinated by SNL and how it all works,
and I've now seen it. I had, you know, I
was a fan of everything, but I came to a
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live recording which I've never seen before, and it really
it was so exciting, and it was, and it really
surprised me how small it is.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Like it's fucking small.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It's like a small it's like doing an Edinburgh fringe
play live to millions of people. Like it's a fucking
rushed chaos. Somehow it all works. And you've had one
day of rehearsing I guess or however, and you're doing
that repeatedly weekly and you don't know, like you're one
of the kind of main people I think, but you
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also don't know if you're going to be in it
every week, and sometimes you're in it loads and sometimes
you're not in it, and what's your mental game?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
How do you cope with all that?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So I think that's a pretty hardcore way of living
and fun, I'm sure, but I'll say no, yeah, tell me, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
It has been you know.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I wish I could say that, you know, I just
walked in and adapted and no fear and all those things.
But it's taken every year that I've been there to
get my mental state to the right place. And in
the last two years, I've definitely felt the most comfortable
ever and that actually makes me excited. It's just like
the more I'm in this space, this room, the more
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I mean, I just heard a quote today that was like,
it takes you five years to like get used to
a house or even a room, like, okay, then maybe
it takes you like ten.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Years to get used to SNL.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I'm not there yet, But how long have you been
on it? How many years have you.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Done I'll be going into my eighth season.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Wow, yeah, wow, yeah yeah Jesus so yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
But you just you just start to trust the process
us more and be you know, everything was like I
was holding on to it so tight, and everything was
like so fragile and it could break and who knows
if they'd ask me back and all these things, and like,
you know, obviously it's not.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Good to be tight in comedy.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And when I finally just started to be like, I
think the producers like me, I think the rest of
the cast likes me. And then if I could just
accept that maybe some.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Of the world does. Like all I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Trying to do really is just like entertain them. Like
let's let's just like take the pressure off and that
has fun.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It that's great and you're you you from my brief
interactions with the cast, it does seem like a pretty well,
I could be complete, right.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It seems like a good vibe.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It seems like you you will get on and supportive
of each other, because I've always had versions of the
S and L cast that are competitive and jealous and stuff,
and I imagine that's difficult as well.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, and I think.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
You also take that also takes time. It's like we
all have an ego. We're all a little bit selfish.
We all think we're genies is with our writing and performing,
and we want to do our thing and show it. Yeah,
and guess what everyone else you work with is also
that good and they need the screen time too, and
the host does as well, and so does the musical guest.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And so does we get update.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
There's only an ity bit bit of time and you
can't take it all up every week. So just accepting
that and has also felt good. It's like and also,
I remember this probably will sound like I'm just trying
to like give myself.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
A pep talk.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
But sometimes sometimes your favorite cast members, like when you
don't see them for a little while and then they
pop in, it's like it's like a Christmas present.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
You're just like, oh my god, this sketch.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
This one thing like that was so good and they
killed it and like you get that like little taste.
It's like before we had so much social media that
we could look up anything at any time. It's like, oh,
I just got a hit of that person and that
feels good. And I don't need them in every single
sketch because they don't do every single thing, you know,
so sometimes it's good just to be a bite size
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Snickers and a full size episode, you know, like you're
just you pop in, you get a big laugh, people
remember that.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
And also this has been something too. It's like, you know,
you were just saying you come to the show. I
have like lots of friends and family who of course
want to come see a show, and if they're not
in tickets, they're in your dressing room.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And you know, my first couple of years, if you're.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Not in the show, and then it's like all your
loved ones are in your dressing room and you're kind
of like, you don't know, like should I just sit
in here? Should I admit I'm not in it? Like
it was very uncomfortable. But the last year, especially last year,
I've got my two friends Anna and Matt who come
to like every single show. They kind of just run
my dressing room for me, like they welcome everybody.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
And then I start to look around and I'm like, Okay, hey,
this is cool.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
You work at SNL, some of your best friends are here,
family's visiting, or just like somebody else's random family who's
friendly to you.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Everyone loves you.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You can just sit in here and watch the show
with people that you were safe and loved by, and
it's okay.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, and it is just cool. It's like it's it's
a cool place to be for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
The other two questions I want to ask you one
is like every week, are you like, fuck, I got
to come up with something new? Or do you have
Do you find it easier the more you do it?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Is it do you have a sort of system? Is
there any way you do you do a thing that
helps you generate stuff? Or is it random? Every time?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
It's kind of random going into this season lately, I
mean I say this, it's been a day and a half.
I've been off my phone a lot more good. I
seem to think that in that day and a half,
I've had more ideas and I've been here because usually
my crutches, like on Mondays, we have to think of
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a pitch that we just a joke pitch to pitch
to the host, and it's like you can't think of anything,
and so you just eventually pull out your phone and
start scrolling just the news and like this will jar
something in my brain and I can make a joke
from that, and just this day and a half off
my phone, I'm kind of like, I'm just gonna let
my own brain do it. This season, I'm really gonna
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not use the phone, but I will say there was
a certain I feel like years three and four writing wise,
for me, I feel like I was just on fire.
I always knew what I wanted to write. That does
not mean I was on fire on the show, like
almost every one of those sketches got cut.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
But I was just like hungry as shit.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And sometimes now where I've just been there longer and
anxiety is not like coursing through my veins all the time,
and I can trust that if I don't have an idea,
a writer will have one. And it's okay. I don't
have to try that hard. I can work hard, but
I just don't have to force things. But I have
been like, man, I'm mad that like those two years
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when I found like production wise, I was on fire
that like no one actually liked.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
It, But yeah, that's how it goes.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And what about do you get nervous?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Like do you have a I'm always interested in people's
like rituals before a shay. Do you have a thing
you have to do every time? Or do you just
do you get nervous to get used to it?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, I definitely get nervous.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
But being the like midwesterner people pleaser, I get the
same feeling that I got the first time I ever
performed in any sort of comedy show, which was like
in a growlings class. I was in writing lab where
we had to perform a monologue, and I remember being
backstage my job. I was a hairstylist. I was about
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to walk out onto a stage in the dark and
lights would be up on just me doing a character
who was also like a young girl, and I was
like in my twenties, and I had this moment that
was like.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
What did you just do?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Like you are you really think you're gonna walk out
there and do a monologue Like I don't know if
we even remember it. Heidi, and then they announced me
whatever my character's name was, and I was like, well,
they paid.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So you have to go.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Actually, I don't even think they paid money for that.
It was like a student show. It's free, but there's
people in this.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
There have to go.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
And so that's what I think with SNL. I'm like,
you have to go.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
There are people do it right, You've got you've got
a threatening coach in your head.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yes, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's nice, And I'm sure you've talked about this a lot,
but it's interesting. How do you get from hairstylistic like
what we like secretly I'm talking funny?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Did you always want to do this or was it late?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Like, No, I was funny.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I knew I was funny and my group of friends
and I knew that I knew a lot about pop
culture and movies and I was just always the one
quoting everything and I was really good at print calls.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
But there was no path, no journey.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Somehow, though I did end up in LA doing hair
and makeup.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well on shows on TV shows.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It started that way, but then I was like, was
only getting credit and not making money yet I wasn't
in the union, so I was like, I kind of
need to pay rent. So I started working at a
salon and I went to go see a show at
the ground LANs because a friend of mine I had
made a new friend, and they were in the Groundlings
and I had heard of it. I knew what the
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Groundlings was, and I was like, that is the funniest
thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
After the show, I told my friend.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I was like, this is awesome because now when my
family from Missouri comes in town, I always have something
for people to do. Go see the Groundlings. And she
was like, also, I think you should take a class.
And I was like what, And then I told my
older brother and some other loved ones like that. She
said that, and my brother said, I have been waiting
for you to say that, like our whole life.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I'll pay for the class.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I love that. Yeah, that's so nice. I forgot to
tell you something, and now I feel bad about it.
I should have told you Eli when we were the
headphones and stuff. No, fuck, you just say you've died
dead dead dead dead Okay okay, yeah, okay, okay, how
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did you die?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I died at Banister Mall in Kansas City, which was
torn down but has to be rebuilt.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So I may die in it.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Okay, is thriving, beautiful, two level mall, lots of escalators.
And I have shopped so hard at the mall, at
all my favorite stores, getting everything I could ever want,
dream girl clothes and accessories and everything that I don't
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shop till I drop because I feel like that would
be a painful death, and maybe a younger version of
me would be cool with that. But I think I'm
shopping so hard and so late that the mall closes
and they don't realize I'm still in there, and and
I just slowly fall asleep in Merry Go Round, the
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store that I used to really love.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
What does Marry Go Around?
Speaker 4 (15:08):
So they sell like like stuff like Kelly Kabowski would wear.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
On, say by the Bell, just cool girl.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And I just fall asleep and Marry Go Around and
it's like some unknown cause that has taken me, but
you know we find her peacefully.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
No, it was cover moent oxide poisoning. Okay, So do
you do you coverment oxide poisoning?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
In Mary? Do you worry about death?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yes, like probably in life's best moments where I'm like,
oh I don't want to die now because things are
going good or I'm happier, like I.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Like this person or things like that. You know, I
guess being.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Totally vulnerable because I guess it's hard to just think
about death.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I want to say to you, like.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
No, I don't, but yeah I do. And it is
a hard, harsh reality. I lost a cat this year,
and that is really thank you, my cat, Marshall, and
he was with me for eighteen years, gave me eighteen years.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And that's really good. Yeah, that's really really good.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
You're just not here anymore.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
But I can still feel him, and I know exactly
what he would feel like, just in the.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Crook of my arm right now. So I think about
the death of my catalot.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I'm so sorry. That's really sad. What do you think
happens when you die? Do you think there's enough to life?
Speaker 4 (16:42):
You know? I wasn't raised religious, and I'm spiritual in
the way of like I will try anything if you
tell me Caro or angelic, Heleen or anything that might
feel good.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I guess I can't.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
It's like I haven't gotten enough knowledge to really make
a case for that afterlife. I find that hard to believe,
and I don't believe in ghosts, but I want to
keep going, so I'm going to have to justify something
for myself.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Okay, well, I got good news for you. There's a
heaven and you're welcome there, and it's filled with your
favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I mean cats?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, man, it's cat heaven. There's fucking cats everywhere.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It's so great, big cats, little cats. Yes, yes, cat,
it's a cat heaven. And all the cats so excited
to see you. They're all lovely cats. They want to
They're all up, cuddles everything. They're really good cats.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
But they won't know about your life because they, you know, inquisitive, curious.
It's famously curious cats, and they want to know about
your life through film. And the first thing they ask
you is, what's the first film you remember seeing? Hidergardener?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Space Balls?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Fucking hell? What a great great opener. That's why you're funny. Yeah,
do you see that at the cinema on the telly?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I guess on the telly.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
It was on the.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Telly, and I remember my parents showing it to me.
And my parents divorced when I was like five and
a half six is when it finally ended. And this
was just a movie that I remember seeing with my
two parents when they were still together and my older brother, Justin,
my younger brother hadn't come along yet.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Is there three of you together, three of us all together? Okay?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
And Justin's the one he was waiting for you to
find comedy?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Okay? Yeah, love it.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
And the scene where the alien pops out of the
stomach and sings, hello, my baby, Hello, my godl And
that was the funniest thing I'd ever seen.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
In my life, you know, laughed so much.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
And then for years after that, I was aware kind
of of Star Wars, but I thought Star Wars was
ripping Spaceballs, like because I saw space Balls first, So it.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Was just that's great.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I was very confused they took out all the jokes
and I think, yeah, I don't going to know this.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
H that's very funny.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
What about crying? Are you a crier? What's the film
that made you cry the most?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Okay? So Steele Magnolias.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
When Jesus Maeln Sally Field loses shelby her daughter Julia Roberts,
it has to decide to take her off life support.
I mean that's probably the first time I knew life
support was a thing. Yeah, so that's just sad and
anyone would cry.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
But and the dendem to this point.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Is, I mean, I don't know how long I believe
this long enough to win steel Magnolias came out, so
I was at least six, and maybe I was naive
during the divorce or something like that.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I thought when you die in a movie, you.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Died like in a dream. Like when people say if
you dine in a dream, you're dead.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You die in a movie. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I thought people didn't want to live, they chose to die.
So like, especially if you were shot in a movie.
I didn't under stand that with special effects. I'm like,
they're gone and steal mygnoyas. I remember really confusing me
because I was like, she didn't get shot like this.
I think she had diabetes, which my grandpa had and
then it leads to like kidney fail.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
So I was like, she went through all of this
on camera.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Pretty woman, okay, because I knew that, and I knew
that I loved her. And then I remember saying to
my brother, like he brought up Julia Roberts and I
was like suck, She's.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Gone you like goddress And he was like, no, she's
very much alive.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
And then he had to explained to me, like, you
don't choose to take your own life in a movie.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
So just to understand the logic of it, it wasn't
that Julia roberts had diabetes in Kidney Fair or whatever.
It was that Julia roberts the actor, decided it's time
for me to go, So I'll do this part where
I die, and I will die, yes, but.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I will say double whammy because I was in it
with the movie and I was experiencing the drama of
the movie and what was happening there, and then I.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Had the real estay. Julia Robertson just died.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And yeah, so people getting shot, they're like, do you
want to part in this film?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, you get.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Shot, I'm going to die, but I get to be
in this western Yeah, segod bye to your family and
then we'll see you on set. That's how you thought films.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But like I knew that, like that Alien and Spaceballs, didn't.
I knew that wasn't real. Like I knew that didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Actually like that, but yeah, interesting, all right, what about
being scared.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Do you like being scared? What's the film that scared
you the most?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yes, I do like being scared, and you're just catching
me on the.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Tail end of I watched Long Legs last night, and
I like being scared. But I did have I just
had Long Legs dreams the entire.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Night, and yeah, so love that.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
The first time I remember being scared was we would
go to Blockbuster, Justin and I.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Our grandma, our mammo is what we called it. She
would take us to Blockbuster.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
We would rent two videos, and the first one would
be one that we would watch together at like the
appropriate time for younger me, like seven o'clock. I'm supposed
to go to bed at nine, and then he would
watch he's six years older, his more late night movie.
But we both slept in the living room, and so
I would just like open my eyes and watch what
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was ever was going on?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
So mind you.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Very early I had seen Clockwork Orange, and I just
don't think. I won't even say that that movie was
scary to me because it was just too much.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I didn't know what was going on. My brain little
brain didn't absorb.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
But I was always excited for what his second pick
was even if it was a scary movie like Waxworks
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I didn't care.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
He had done Nightmare on Elm Street, and I just
thought Freddy Krueger was a badass.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
And free Keith.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
There was one movie that I was like, please don't
make this the nine o'clock pick, and that was hell Eraser,
and I promised myself to not open my eyes, and
I opened my eyes while he was watching it. And
still to this day, pin head like someone who chooses.
I don't know if Penn had made the choice, but
pretty much so. To have nails in his whole head, like, yeah,
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is the scariest thing, and to you know, hooks and
flesh and pleasure and pain and even the box like terrifying,
scariest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
That's a great answer. Yeah, that's so. The thing that
scared you wasn't the look of him with pins in
his head. Is the fact that he tries to have pins.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
It is dead.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, I'm forgetting like the origin, but I do
feel like the Cenobytes have a bit of control over
their look, whereas I don't. I don't think Freddy had
control over.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
No, he didn't choose to get burned. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
No, the cenobytes want this because pleasure is pain.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's very good and it has never
come up on this podcast. So I'm gonna give you
ten points. Jesus Christ, what is the film that you love?
People don't like it, particularly critics, but you love it unconditionally.
What is that film? Nothing but Trouble with Dan at
Kroid Yes and.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
John Candy, Chevy Chase, Demi Moore.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I've seen nothing wrong with that good ship.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
You know, universally panned.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I probably watch it spies.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
No, they're not spies, like you know. The setup is odd.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Chevy Chase is a banker, and Demi Moore is I
don't know something with a home loan. I mean, I
just watched it recently because it's definitely a one or
two times a year watch for me. And still the
first fifteen minutes until they get to like Trancel Vanya
or whatever it is, where every all the shit goes down,
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the plot is so hard to follow.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I'm just like, this is too complicated.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Just get to when dan Akrod has like the penis nose,
and but I can say, like, yeah, this this is
like a bad movie. Like dan Akroyd's like that, you know,
one of those babies in the Junkyard. But I keep
showing it to people and introducing it to people. I
have the vhs in my dressing room at work. I
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watch it. I like, I like it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I just like that.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And do you think you like it because of seeing
it when you were little or something? Does it does
it feel like home or something?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:23):
It definitely feels like home and it but it's like
I now as an adult, I appreciate, like the special effects,
like the I'm gonna I almost said, like how the
house is like a Ruth Vader Ginsburg trap, But that's
not it's rude.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
That is the second thing she was famous for. Yeah,
the traps that she would set.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
You mean like they're so mass trap Yeah, the go
big Yeah, yes, like all of that.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I'm just like the set design, this is incredible.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Excuse me, but you you just come up with a
sketch for your next season wreath traps?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah? Nice answer.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
What about a film that you used to love but
you've seen recently and you do not like it anymore?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Hocus Pocus?
Speaker 4 (26:15):
And I think people are like maybe more Gaga for
Hocus Pocus now even from before or it's just been beloved,
but it's definitely kind of found its second wind and
like the last year of appreciation.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
And I went back and I was like, I'm not laughing.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'm not wanting to be one of these witches. I'm
not wanting to be the kid. I'm not wanting to
be the cat. I'm just not into it.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Interesting, Yeah, yeah, but I think that that film is
probably nothing but trouble to other people, you know what
I mean. Yeah, I think there are people that feel
that way for it. Tell me this, what is the
film that means the most to you? Not necessarily the
film itself is good, but because the experience you had
around seeing it will always make it special to you.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Okay, that film is kids?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Fuck it? Oh go ahead, Okay, So just.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
To set this up, once my parents got divorced, my
mom was like super into indie film. So even when
I was little, I was allowed to see things like
The Crying Game like it. She was open to a
lot of things and just knew that, like my brother
and I were so into movies. But in ninety four,
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it's just a little bit of a lead up. Interview
with a Vampire was coming out, and I was like,
this is everything Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, Kirsten Dunce, Antonio Bandarris,
and Rice novel.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
This is the coolest, and she would not let me
see it.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Like it took maybe two months of it being like
the last weekend it was in the theater. I had
to write her like a special card. I remember I
got high. I don't know what the mindset was here,
but we're studying Egypt in school and I spelled in hieroglyphics.
Can I please go see an interview with a vampire?
And that's what broke her and I got to go
see interview with vampire. So this is just to say, like,
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you know, she did have some boundaries. So after that
I kind of knew not to push it. And you know,
a year six months later, kids came out and I
was definitely curious, but I was like, that's an obvious
no if mom's pc interviews with a vampire, so I'll
just see that when I'm an adult, because I think
I was in sixth grade. So Friday, I get off school,
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my mom picks me up. I'm like, what are we doing?
And she was like going to the movies. We're going
to the Tivoli, which is like the indie movie theater.
And I was kind of only aware that kids was
coming out this weekend and I'm like, well, surely not,
and she just like walks us into kids and two
tickets for kids. I don't know what's going on. I'm like,
feel like I'm getting away with murder.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
I'm silent, I don't get candy. I'm just like, why
is this happening? What is going on? Like did I
win the lottery? We watch kids. I'm definitely too young
for it. I'm not as kids as those kids. I'm
in shock and we're walking out. I'm still in shock.
And I remember just looking over to her about to
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be like, so, explain this to me, and she just
said to me. I looked at her and she said
do you want to be like that? And I was
like no, and she was like good, And it was
like it was her.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Like scared, Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Her moment like taking me to see kids?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Had she seen it? Had she seen it? Did she
know what?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
So?
Speaker 4 (29:34):
She was probably even like was this the right lesson?
But I mean I got to walk into school that Monday,
like feeling really fucking cool.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, sucking out And I guess it worked, right, You
didn't you didn't start being people that were skateboards and
yeah I sex, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Didn't do that, didn't do drugs, I did none of
those things. If it worked.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Thank you, Larry clak Well.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Wow, given that you which I really liked, you were like,
I don't want to be these people. I don't want
to be the witches. I don't want to be the kid.
What is the film you most relate to?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Oh, Mermaids.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I fucking love Mermaids.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
That never get made today. I just like always say
that just.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
A simple story, simple like in quotes, just about a
woman and her kids and moving and dating and that's it.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Some other people. Yeah, but yeahs incredible.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah who are you? And that the kid?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah, I would say it's like probably when I saw it,
I was in between the age of Christina Ricci and
one on a writer, and I like was not on
swim team or a really good little swimmer like Christina Ricci,
and I wasn't like potentially gonna like hook up with
the guy from sixteen Candles, like, but I did have
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a mom, who was beautiful and dating and was you know,
just intercepting her life and knowing what was going on
and seeing her work really hard for me and my
brother and still try to have a life. I was,
I like to say, now, I was on her ride,
and I felt like the girls in that movie were
on their mom's ride. And sometimes you can think, like,
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as an adult, you could be like, I don't know
that I should have.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Been, you know, on my mom's ride.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You know, like that could be irresponsible, But I'm like
it was pretty exciting too.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
That's fucking great. Well, great answer. I'm giving you twenty
points for that. What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Nidygardna?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Okay, well I kind of did this from that brain too,
is that okay? Do you want?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Like I remember and there's like little levels of this,
But Dick Tracy, I thought it was really sexy because
you know, I knew Warren Baby and Madonna were together
or maybe that kind of led to it. And you know,
even when she's in that black dress, she's like basically
naked and there's like heat between them.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But the kid in the movie, Charlie.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Chorismo, And I can say this because at the time,
I was age appropriate. I was in the same age
as him. I remember like, oh, I want to kiss
that boy that like felt different. Yeah, and then I
think William Worth's Scythe in that movie as flat Top,
which is one of the bad guys who looks everyone
else would say is like deformed, disfigured.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Just looked like a cool badass.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
It was like he had like a look that was
just confident even though he looked different. And like, I
think that started me even being like this is obvious
to say, but like attracted to the joker or like
it was just like ooh, these like bad guys there
was something wrong with their mouth or their head or yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
It's actually have you ended up with people with strange heads?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
M No, never a strange head or a strange smile,
trying to think anything strange.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, but that's my type.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
It's about time you with someone with a strange head.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I feel like you've wasted.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
There's a sub category troubling is worrying why dones? Okay,
you found a rousing that you weren't sure you should.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
There's a callback and people aren't gonna like it. But
in nothing but trouble Yeah, there's a scene where the
scene is headed by Daniel Baldwin and some other party
growers driving down the highway going really fast partying and
they get pulled over taken to Transylvania. But I think
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when they have to like put all of their substances
on the judge's desk, like you can tell like there's.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Like needles and coke and and like.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I said that like earlier, like all the girls are
like dressed like Kelly Kapowski and Daniel Balden got his
hair slipped back, and you just I just remember knowing
they're going to do drugs and like have sex and
like that's sexy. And then they end up going through
this like roller coaster called like the bone Crusher and
like getting stripped of their skin and they just come
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out bone. So they didn't get to do what I
was fining.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
But I was like, ooh, was this before you saw
kids or to kid? Yes, so you saw so basically
every trouble was trouble for you because then you were like, yeah,
I'm going to do I'm going to have sex with
square heads and do drugs, and then you saw kids
and you were like, I'm never having sex with anyone,
and I'm never doing drugs and no, thank you.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
It seems like I was getting turned on by things
that also had like a level of prosthetics or something.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
And then when I saw kids that looked like me,
I was like.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
You are you are on SNL when everyone has prosthetics
all the time.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah, And you think I'd be horny all the time
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Just professionally, Yeah, I think you'd be just kissing everyone
and every single sketch with these flat heads square heads
come and you love it there, Jesus, after party must
be a mess. What is objectively the greatest film of
all time?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Parenthood?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
What an excellent answer. You're getting forty points for that,
thank you? What a brilliant film. Tell me why that
is the greatest film. I'm not saying you're wrong.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Yeah, I would say find me a better cast, like
just as far as an ensemble goes. And I've seen
it so much that I also like a movie where
either the younger you are when you see it or
the older you are, like who your favorite person is
and who two the most like changes throughout the course.
(35:44):
So like I see it when I'm a kid, and
it's like, well, Steve Martin's the funniest person in the world.
And when he does Cowboy Gil, I wish that was
my dad and he's so funny. But then I start
to get a crush on Keanu Reeves and it's like,
oh my god, like you know, he's in his underwear
and that scene and then and then also the greatest
on screen loser to me ever is Uncle Larry, like
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the guy who names his son Cool and is always like,
you know, trying to pitch like a business and gets
dropped off by his friends, by them throwing him out
the car and him rolling on the street.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Like just everyone nails in that movie. Diane West.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, I just the older I get, I just relate
to people more and more and it's funny.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
And also I just think like, how did they pull
this off?
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Like every there's not a story in that movie, a
storyline that doesn't get wrapped up in a bow, whether
it's satisfying or not, or makes you cry or is
tragic or just life like Uncle Larry does disappear again
and the grandparents have to raise Cool.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
And that was something where I was like.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Oh, yeah, there's moments of that feel familiar even as
a kid, you know, like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
It's fantastic, it's fantastic, parent It's so beautiful, and it
does have an awful lot going on in it. I
haven't watched the TV show, but I hear it's wonderful,
and you think there's probably a season's worth of storylines
in that one film. But it doesn't feel totally rush
to episodic of God damn, that's good. And it's the
people that write city Slickers, I believe right, and city Slickers.
(37:20):
I think it is one of the great I think
so too in it in the same feeling similar way. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
hard to do. Ensemble love it.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Thank you me too.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
You're very good at.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
This, Hidigardner, what's the what's the film you could or
have watched the most over and over again.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
If it's not nothing but trouble.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
It's not. It's Boomerang. Love boom right, I love Boomerang.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
That was one of those lucky ones that, yes, we
would rent it all the time from Blockbuster at the
grocery store, but we almost didn't need to because our
local television stations Channel forty one and sixty two played
it just as much. And then when I was at friends'
houses who had cable and had HBO. It was also
like Boomerang was booming on HBO, like it was just on.
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And I felt every time like if I was religious,
God was looking down and being like, I'm giving you
this movie and.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
I'm giving you another.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm giving you Boo.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Same thing with an ensemble, just you know, Eddie Murphy,
Martin Lawrence, David Allen Greer, Johnny Witherspoon with like the
mushroom belt, so many quotable lines, and that was just
what my childhood was, was quoting. And it also taught me.
There's a scene in the beginning just where Martin Lawrence,
Eddie Murphy, and David Allen Greer are out to lunch
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and there's this one waitress. She's a white woman who's
just doing a great white woman impression, who's telling about
the special and she's talking about she was like and
then it comes with the sparagus tips and they are good,
and then I think the guys in the movie kind
of make fun of her. And it was like the
first time, which just towhere like how like I could
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be annoying And I still think of sometimes when I
just have that but and it is good and just
like I'm like, that's annoying, Like and I just loved
the observation.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, I love that film. And is that Robin Gibbons
Was that her first film?
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 4 (39:17):
And then Just When You're a young girl aspiring to
be like a beautiful woman Robin Gibbons, halle Berry, just
anyone that Eddie Murphy was on a date with in
that movie. There's like, yeah, a beautiful woman who's like
walking a dog like it was just everything with Grace
Jones like eye candy, funny and eye candy.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
That's what I cared about.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, that's a help movie. Did you have you ever
met Eddie Murphy?
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Is he ever? Yes? How did that go?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
And So I had a Boomerang poster in my office
at SNL since my first season there, and I think
he hosted my third season, and so I was really
nervous because I was like, he's gonna come in my office,
He's going to see the boomerang poster and he's gonna
think I hung enough fast.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
But he was very sweet about it.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
That's nice. That's nice.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
You have to be genuine with your places, you know.
When we when we had when Bill Lawrence and I
had our meeting with Jason Segel to talk about shrinking.
We run the zoom and I had a poster of
his Muppets movie behind me, and I'd forgotten because it's
just always there. And then suddenly Bill was like, by
the way, this isn't fake.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
That is.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, yeah, tell me this. Let's not be too negative.
What's the worst film you've ever seen?
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Cloud Atlas?
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Now, come on listen in defense of Cloud Atlas. M hm,
it's taking some massive swigs. Talk about it's swinging.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
It is.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
It is a film of someone swinging wildly over and
over big swigs.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yes, And I appreciate this, and I'll actually take more
of the heat on this because every so often there's
a type of movie or being someone who loves movies
for like going deep, crying, taking chances, prosthetics.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
We've talked, you know, there's poetics, all of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
There is a certain type and I don't even think
I'm well spoken enough to get this point across what
I'm gonna try. There's a certain type of intelligent film
that's dealing with certain themes that goes so far over
my head from the script to the performance that I
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just start rejecting it and all the people around me
that are into it, and I do think this is
a me problem. But Cloud Atlas is one of those.
And also it's I should say this because I would
love a part like this, but when there are parts
for actors where there's too much meat on the bone,
where I know that like the actor is very aware of,
(41:56):
like if I nail this, it was the best actor
of all time, I reject that as well. And there
was like too much meat on the bone in that
movie where I'm just like.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Everybody's doing too much. Everyone's getting off on themselves.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Everybody's everybody, even with the audience is also getting off
on it too.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I'm just like, I cannot submit to this film.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I just did. I just did.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah, me problem, that's that is you. But it is
a very strange film, and good luck to it. I
wish it will.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah. What's the film that made you laugh the most?
You're very funny? What makes you laugh the most?
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Waiting for Gutman?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Fucking great? Of course it is Coase it.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Is, Yeah, and another one, you know. I just went
to a screening of it this summer.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Seeing that movie.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Hundreds of times, I love. And this was my realization
from seeing it one hundred and tenth time. I was
so obsessed with so many certain lines and parts in
that movie when I was thirteen years old that like
coasted me through even all my twenties of my waiting
for Gotman obsession that I was missing so much. And
(43:02):
this time I had had like maybe I hadn't seen
the movie in five years, and I had this new
lens where I was like, oh my god, Like there's
that scene at the Chinese restaurant when they're talking about
like Fred Willard's penis reduction surgery and like that that
was the funniest thing, and all the dialogue. But the
more and more this time I started launching Catherine O'Hara,
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and not just what's coming out of her mouth because
she's so drunk, but the way she's eating her dinner and.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
How fucking sloppy she is.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
And imagining a woman just like telling all these secrets
about her husband while just being like sloppy with Chinese
food was killing me. And I had so many other
of those little moments that I was like, oh my god,
now I'm gonna go back through my adult face. So
waiting for Goffman.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah. Fuck, I loved that. I love that. Hid got it.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
You have been absolutely brilliant as expected, Thank you and
a joy to hang out with. However, when you were
they recently, I don't know if you know this, but
they rebuilt the mall in Kansas City. It's called the
the Banister All. They rebuilt it, and you were so
excited you went there all the time.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
You went. You went shopping hard.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
You shopped so hard that the play shut down and
you didn't even notice, and you were like, fucking know,
it's it's getting dark in here. And all the lights
went out and you were like oh, and you checked
the door and you were locked in. You were like, well,
just go to my favorite door, Merry Around. You went
in Merried Around before I just have a little nap here,
and the smoke alarm wasn't on, there wasn't a CO
(44:38):
two test, and carbon monoxide was pumped into the building
as they did every night to sort of clear out
bugs and stuff, and you died from carbon monoxide poisoning. Anyway,
I'm there in the morning, guy shopping with a coffin,
you know how I do, And I go, what's this
merry Around? I like rides. Is this like a ride?
And I go in there and I'm like, oh, fuck,
(44:59):
it's clothes is it around?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Really, I'm really annoyed there's no rides here. I'm like,
this is bullshit. But then I see a dead body
in it. I'm like, is that hider gardener from shrinking?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
And because of the carbon monoxide, you've like expanded. You're
absolutely freaking massive. Actually you in a way you'd fancy
yourself because you've now got quite a distended head. And
and I I said to the shop for people that
work at mergrounds, like, can you help me? We have
to chop you up, chop you up, chop up. Carbon
monoxides coming out, and I'm like, hold your breath and
we get all the pieces of your body in the coffee.
(45:33):
We stuff it in. It's jammed in there. There's no room.
There really isn't room in there.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
There's no room.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
There's enough room that we could slip one DVD into
the side for you to take across to the other side.
And on the other side, it's movie night every night.
What are you taking to show the cats in heaven
when it is your movie night? Hid the Gardener go.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
I want to laugh.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
I want to watch Jack Black for the rest of
my afterlife. It's saving sober Man.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Oh wow, excellent choice, wonderful idea. People in heaven are
going to love you, the cats are going to love you.
This is all lovely. I'm very happy for you and
your future death. Please will you tell everyone what you
would like them to listen or look out for with yourself?
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Hawd your garden? It involved oh.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
My gosh, shrinking shrinking.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
In October season two.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Yes, SNL is coming out in an unreleased date but soon.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Okay, cool Excity.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
I got to be a judge on a very cool
and heartwarming show called Second Chance Stage that comes out
in Thanksgiving. And most of you will think that we
don't need it, but if we could all just collectively
root for the Chiefs this season, it makes me really
happy when they win Super.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Bowls's that's really nice. I get that, do you? Is
the Second Chance? Second Chance shy Down? What was it called?
Second Chance Sunday?
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Second Chance Stage? And it's about people.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
It's a competition talent show about people who are taking
a second chance in life, who got kind of held
back or stopped from their dreams and are now being
really open and vulnerable and doing it for later in life, really.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Crying, you're ready, I'm crying ready, And I hope that
you're the main judge of it. I hope it's really
vulnerable and you're just like that is shit, Yeah, guy, Chase.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
I was very scared of being the mean judge because
I knew I couldn't do it. But I really found
a way in humanity wise with people.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
That I wasn't expecting and so nice.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Just one of those unexpected life experiences where you're like,
that was really special.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Like I would never want to be me or I
don't understand how anyone does the negative side of it?
Did it happen? Like what happens when someone when you're
like this is really bad? What would you say? How
would you handle it in a way that isn't me
or upsaying, well if that happened.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah, this is just an example.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
So I wouldn't even say I had to deal with
like really bad the thing that I could really tell.
And it's probably because you know, a lot of the
people that I was seeing weren't necessarily like twenty one
year old, no fear like just giving it at all.
I could tell so many people like we're finally shooting
their shot and the talent was there. But I was like,
I bet this is so much better when you do
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this like in your basement at home, like yeah, because
I can just tell you could see like there was
like a guy performing like Mac the Knife, and I
was like, I can see that you have these moves
like and I don't see anyone today doing this stuff.
And I was like I can just relate, Like when
I'm at home alone doing something, I'm just like so
much more swab and just to like tell him, like
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you know, not that it means a lot coming from me,
but like if I could just give you the permission
to if you just go that little bit further, which
is adults, it's really hard to do because we don't
want to look stupid. You won't look stupid, like we'll
be more impressed and will actually be more comfort want
more at.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Ease and be like, oh my god, like he's not
only dude doing that. That's yeah, that was one thing nice.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Thank you, Heidi Gardner. Thank you for all of it,
of course, thank you, thank you for being in shrinking,
Thanks for being brilliant and hope I see you in
real life soon under okay, I will have a lovely day,
good day to goodbye. So that was episode three hundred
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and fourteen. Don't forget to get tickets to the last
seven dates of my American tour of my stand up
show Second Best Night of Your Life. Tickets are available
at Breck Costingtour dot com. Head over to the Patreon
at patreon dot com for slash Bret Golsteen for the experts,
secret chat and video with Heidi Gardner Guy jab the podcast,
give us a five star rating and right about the
film that means the most to you and why it's
a lovely thing to read, helps numbers and it's really appreciated.
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Thank you so much to Heidi Gardner for giving me
your time. Thanks to Scruby's Pit and the distraction Pieces
of Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks
to Iheartmeeteria and Will Flower's Big Money Days Network posting it.
Thanks Adam Bridgeston for the graphics and Lease Lading for
the photography. Come join me next week for another incredible guest.
I hope you're all well. Thank you very much for listening.
That's it for now, but in the meantime, have a
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lovely week, and please be excellent to each other.
Look at hell. There's only films to be buried with.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hello, and welcome to films to be buried with. My
name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer,
a director, a code and I love film. As John
Green once said, the marks humans leave are too often scars.
Have you seen Midsummer? That shit fucked me up? Bro
fair enough, John, it was pretty intense. Actually, every week
I invite a special guest over. I tell them they've died.
Then I get them to discuss their life through the
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films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include
Barry Jenkins, Amber Ruffin, Mark Frost, Sharon Stone, and even
Dead Bambles. But this week it is the brilliant actor
and star of SNL It's Heidi Gardner. Tickets are on
shale for the final leg of my stand up tour
in America. I think I've got seven dates left for
the second Best Night of Your Life show. Been doing
it all over the country here, It's been fucking fun.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Come along.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I'll be playing the legendary Red Rocks Venue in Denver
on the twentieth of September. I'll be playing The Fox
the Air in Atlanta, September twenty first, I'll be in
New Orleans October fourth, Fort Laulsdale October fifth, Baltimore October eighteenth,
Seattle again on November one, and Bellingham November two. Get
tickets at Brett Goldstein Tour dot com. And if that's
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not enough for you, if you're not sick of me
by then head over to the Patreon at Patreon dot
com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you're getting extra twenty
minutes of chat with Heidi. You get a secret, you
get the whole episode uncut Adrey and as a video.
Check it out Patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So Heidi Gardner.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Heidi Gardner is a brilliant comedic actor. She's a regular
on SNL and she stares on the show I co
created with Bill Lawrence called Shrinking. She's in season one
and season two, which is coming soon in October. You've
seen her in all your favorite sketches. You've seen her
in all your favorite sitcoms. She's fucking brilliant. I was
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so happy to get to hang out with everyone zoom
a few weeks ago. I think you're really going to
enjoy this one. So that is it for now? I
very much hope you enjoy episode three hundred and fourteen
of Films to be Buried With? Hello, and welcome to
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Films to be Buried With?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by
an actor, a writer, an improviser, a sketcho, an essenella,
a girls five ever?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And is it Caker and Michael Chaya.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
A Kimmy spitter, a Meet Papa, a Kansas City lady.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And the star of Shrinking and a boop? Here she is?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Can you believe she's real? I sure can I'm looking
at her. Welcome to the show. It's the brilliant Indy Gardener.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Hello, Oh hello, Hid Gardner. How are you?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Sometimes it takes someone else reminding you of the really
cool things you've done to be like, oh, my gosh,
that's really cool.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I was part of all those really neat things.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, it's a very it's a very cool. I was
looking at all the all the things you've been on.
It's like, oh, you've been on all the best sort
of sitcoms of the last You've done all the very
good stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Like that's a really good list. I mean, thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I can't speak for Shrinking, but the rest of them,
I mean, I fucking love him. So I know you
from Shrinking. Yes, season two is coming out soon. I've
seen all of it, you have, Yeah, and it's fucking
brilliant and you're brilliant in it, and I'm very excited
for the world to see it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I feel very proud of it. I think it's good stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's really good stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It's really good stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
It's really good stuff, and it's always Yeah. Obviously, you know,
I get people come up to me the most about SNL,
but I want to say people are starting to come
up to me the most about Shrinking, Like people love
that show.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Nice. Nice, You're very goodn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And you're you're You're right, You're there right from the start,
You're five minutes in the show. Obviously we can't talk
about anything that happens in season two sadly, but can
I ask you or are you sick of talking about it?
I'm so fascinated by SNL and how it all works,
and I've now seen it. I had, you know, I
was a fan of everything, but I came to a
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live recording which I've never seen before, and it really
it was so exciting, and it was, and it really
surprised me how small it is.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Like it's fucking small.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It's like a small it's like doing an Edinburgh fringe
play live to millions of people. Like it's a fucking
rushed chaos. Somehow it all works. And you've had one
day of rehearsing I guess or however, and you're doing
that repeatedly weekly and you don't know, like you're one
of the kind of main people I think, but you
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also don't know if you're going to be in it
every week, and sometimes you're in it loads and sometimes
you're not in it, and what's your mental game?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
How do you cope with all that?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So I think that's a pretty hardcore way of living
and fun, I'm sure, but I'll say no, yeah, tell me, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
It has been you know.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I wish I could say that, you know, I just
walked in and adapted and no fear and all those things.
But it's taken every year that I've been there to
get my mental state to the right place. And in
the last two years, I've definitely felt the most comfortable
ever and that actually makes me excited. It's just like
the more I'm in this space, this room, the more
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I mean, I just heard a quote today that was like,
it takes you five years to like get used to
a house or even a room, like, okay, then maybe
it takes you like ten.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Years to get used to SNL.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I'm not there yet, But how long have you been
on it? How many years have you.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Done I'll be going into my eighth season.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Wow, yeah, wow, yeah yeah Jesus so yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
But you just you just start to trust the process
us more and be you know, everything was like I
was holding on to it so tight, and everything was
like so fragile and it could break and who knows
if they'd ask me back and all these things, and like,
you know, obviously it's not.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Good to be tight in comedy.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And when I finally just started to be like, I
think the producers like me, I think the rest of
the cast likes me. And then if I could just
accept that maybe some.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Of the world does. Like all I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Trying to do really is just like entertain them. Like
let's let's just like take the pressure off and that
has fun.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It that's great and you're you you from my brief
interactions with the cast, it does seem like a pretty well,
I could be complete, right.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It seems like a good vibe.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It seems like you you will get on and supportive
of each other, because I've always had versions of the
S and L cast that are competitive and jealous and stuff,
and I imagine that's difficult as well.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, and I think.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
You also take that also takes time. It's like we
all have an ego. We're all a little bit selfish.
We all think we're genies is with our writing and performing,
and we want to do our thing and show it. Yeah,
and guess what everyone else you work with is also
that good and they need the screen time too, and
the host does as well, and so does the musical guest.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And so does we get update.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
There's only an ity bit bit of time and you
can't take it all up every week. So just accepting
that and has also felt good. It's like and also,
I remember this probably will sound like I'm just trying
to like give myself.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
A pep talk.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
But sometimes sometimes your favorite cast members, like when you
don't see them for a little while and then they
pop in, it's like it's like a Christmas present.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
You're just like, oh my god, this sketch.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
This one thing like that was so good and they
killed it and like you get that like little taste.
It's like before we had so much social media that
we could look up anything at any time. It's like, oh,
I just got a hit of that person and that
feels good. And I don't need them in every single
sketch because they don't do every single thing, you know,
so sometimes it's good just to be a bite size
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Snickers and a full size episode, you know, like you're
just you pop in, you get a big laugh, people
remember that.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
And also this has been something too. It's like, you know,
you were just saying you come to the show. I
have like lots of friends and family who of course
want to come see a show, and if they're not
in tickets, they're in your dressing room.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And you know, my first couple of years, if you're.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Not in the show, and then it's like all your
loved ones are in your dressing room and you're kind
of like, you don't know, like should I just sit
in here? Should I admit I'm not in it? Like
it was very uncomfortable. But the last year, especially last year,
I've got my two friends Anna and Matt who come
to like every single show. They kind of just run
my dressing room for me, like they welcome everybody.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
And then I start to look around and I'm like, Okay, hey,
this is cool.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
You work at SNL, some of your best friends are here,
family's visiting, or just like somebody else's random family who's
friendly to you.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Everyone loves you.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You can just sit in here and watch the show
with people that you were safe and loved by, and
it's okay.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, and it is just cool. It's like it's it's
a cool place to be for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
The other two questions I want to ask you one
is like every week, are you like, fuck, I got
to come up with something new? Or do you have
Do you find it easier the more you do it?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Is it do you have a sort of system? Is
there any way you do you do a thing that
helps you generate stuff? Or is it random? Every time?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
It's kind of random going into this season lately, I
mean I say this, it's been a day and a half.
I've been off my phone a lot more good. I
seem to think that in that day and a half,
I've had more ideas and I've been here because usually
my crutches, like on Mondays, we have to think of
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a pitch that we just a joke pitch to pitch
to the host, and it's like you can't think of anything,
and so you just eventually pull out your phone and
start scrolling just the news and like this will jar
something in my brain and I can make a joke
from that, and just this day and a half off
my phone, I'm kind of like, I'm just gonna let
my own brain do it. This season, I'm really gonna
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not use the phone, but I will say there was
a certain I feel like years three and four writing wise,
for me, I feel like I was just on fire.
I always knew what I wanted to write. That does
not mean I was on fire on the show, like
almost every one of those sketches got cut.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
But I was just like hungry as shit.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And sometimes now where I've just been there longer and
anxiety is not like coursing through my veins all the time,
and I can trust that if I don't have an idea,
a writer will have one. And it's okay. I don't
have to try that hard. I can work hard, but
I just don't have to force things. But I have
been like, man, I'm mad that like those two years
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when I found like production wise, I was on fire
that like no one actually liked.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
It, But yeah, that's how it goes.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And what about do you get nervous?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Like do you have a I'm always interested in people's
like rituals before a shay. Do you have a thing
you have to do every time? Or do you just
do you get nervous to get used to it?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, I definitely get nervous.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
But being the like midwesterner people pleaser, I get the
same feeling that I got the first time I ever
performed in any sort of comedy show, which was like
in a growlings class. I was in writing lab where
we had to perform a monologue, and I remember being
backstage my job. I was a hairstylist. I was about
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to walk out onto a stage in the dark and
lights would be up on just me doing a character
who was also like a young girl, and I was
like in my twenties, and I had this moment that
was like.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
What did you just do?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Like you are you really think you're gonna walk out
there and do a monologue Like I don't know if
we even remember it. Heidi, and then they announced me
whatever my character's name was, and I was like, well,
they paid.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So you have to go.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Actually, I don't even think they paid money for that.
It was like a student show. It's free, but there's
people in this.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
There have to go.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
And so that's what I think with SNL. I'm like,
you have to go.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
There are people do it right, You've got you've got
a threatening coach in your head.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yes, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's nice, And I'm sure you've talked about this a lot,
but it's interesting. How do you get from hairstylistic like
what we like secretly I'm talking funny?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Did you always want to do this or was it late?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Like, No, I was funny.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I knew I was funny and my group of friends
and I knew that I knew a lot about pop
culture and movies and I was just always the one
quoting everything and I was really good at print calls.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
But there was no path, no journey.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Somehow, though I did end up in LA doing hair
and makeup.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well on shows on TV shows.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It started that way, but then I was like, was
only getting credit and not making money yet I wasn't
in the union, so I was like, I kind of
need to pay rent. So I started working at a
salon and I went to go see a show at
the ground LANs because a friend of mine I had
made a new friend, and they were in the Groundlings
and I had heard of it. I knew what the
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Groundlings was, and I was like, that is the funniest
thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
After the show, I told my friend.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I was like, this is awesome because now when my
family from Missouri comes in town, I always have something
for people to do. Go see the Groundlings. And she
was like, also, I think you should take a class.
And I was like what, And then I told my
older brother and some other loved ones like that. She
said that, and my brother said, I have been waiting
for you to say that, like our whole life.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I'll pay for the class.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I love that. Yeah, that's so nice. I forgot to
tell you something, and now I feel bad about it.
I should have told you Eli when we were the
headphones and stuff. No, fuck, you just say you've died
dead dead dead dead Okay okay, yeah, okay, okay, how
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did you die?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I died at Banister Mall in Kansas City, which was
torn down but has to be rebuilt.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So I may die in it.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Okay, is thriving, beautiful, two level mall, lots of escalators.
And I have shopped so hard at the mall, at
all my favorite stores, getting everything I could ever want,
dream girl clothes and accessories and everything that I don't
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shop till I drop because I feel like that would
be a painful death, and maybe a younger version of
me would be cool with that. But I think I'm
shopping so hard and so late that the mall closes
and they don't realize I'm still in there, and and
I just slowly fall asleep in Merry Go Round, the
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store that I used to really love.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
What does Marry Go Around?
Speaker 4 (15:08):
So they sell like like stuff like Kelly Kabowski would wear.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
On, say by the Bell, just cool girl.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And I just fall asleep and Marry Go Around and
it's like some unknown cause that has taken me, but
you know we find her peacefully.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
No, it was cover moent oxide poisoning. Okay, So do
you do you coverment oxide poisoning?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
In Mary? Do you worry about death?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yes, like probably in life's best moments where I'm like,
oh I don't want to die now because things are
going good or I'm happier, like I.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Like this person or things like that. You know, I
guess being.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Totally vulnerable because I guess it's hard to just think
about death.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I want to say to you, like.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
No, I don't, but yeah I do. And it is
a hard, harsh reality. I lost a cat this year,
and that is really thank you, my cat, Marshall, and
he was with me for eighteen years, gave me eighteen years.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And that's really good. Yeah, that's really really good.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
You're just not here anymore.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
But I can still feel him, and I know exactly
what he would feel like, just in the.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Crook of my arm right now. So I think about
the death of my catalot.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I'm so sorry. That's really sad. What do you think
happens when you die? Do you think there's enough to life?
Speaker 4 (16:42):
You know? I wasn't raised religious, and I'm spiritual in
the way of like I will try anything if you
tell me Caro or angelic, Heleen or anything that might
feel good.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I guess I can't.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
It's like I haven't gotten enough knowledge to really make
a case for that afterlife. I find that hard to believe,
and I don't believe in ghosts, but I want to
keep going, so I'm going to have to justify something
for myself.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Okay, well, I got good news for you. There's a
heaven and you're welcome there, and it's filled with your
favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I mean cats?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, man, it's cat heaven. There's fucking cats everywhere.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It's so great, big cats, little cats. Yes, yes, cat,
it's a cat heaven. And all the cats so excited
to see you. They're all lovely cats. They want to
They're all up, cuddles everything. They're really good cats.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
But they won't know about your life because they, you know, inquisitive, curious.
It's famously curious cats, and they want to know about
your life through film. And the first thing they ask
you is, what's the first film you remember seeing? Hidergardener?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Space Balls?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Fucking hell? What a great great opener. That's why you're funny. Yeah,
do you see that at the cinema on the telly?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I guess on the telly.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
It was on the.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Telly, and I remember my parents showing it to me.
And my parents divorced when I was like five and
a half six is when it finally ended. And this
was just a movie that I remember seeing with my
two parents when they were still together and my older brother, Justin,
my younger brother hadn't come along yet.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Is there three of you together, three of us all together? Okay?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
And Justin's the one he was waiting for you to
find comedy?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Okay? Yeah, love it.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
And the scene where the alien pops out of the
stomach and sings, hello, my baby, Hello, my godl And
that was the funniest thing I'd ever seen.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
In my life, you know, laughed so much.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
And then for years after that, I was aware kind
of of Star Wars, but I thought Star Wars was
ripping Spaceballs, like because I saw space Balls first, So it.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Was just that's great.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I was very confused they took out all the jokes
and I think, yeah, I don't going to know this.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
H that's very funny.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
What about crying? Are you a crier? What's the film
that made you cry the most?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Okay? So Steele Magnolias.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
When Jesus Maeln Sally Field loses shelby her daughter Julia Roberts,
it has to decide to take her off life support.
I mean that's probably the first time I knew life
support was a thing. Yeah, so that's just sad and
anyone would cry.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
But and the dendem to this point.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Is, I mean, I don't know how long I believe
this long enough to win steel Magnolias came out, so
I was at least six, and maybe I was naive
during the divorce or something like that.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I thought when you die in a movie, you.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Died like in a dream. Like when people say if
you dine in a dream, you're dead.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You die in a movie. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I thought people didn't want to live, they chose to die.
So like, especially if you were shot in a movie.
I didn't under stand that with special effects. I'm like,
they're gone and steal mygnoyas. I remember really confusing me
because I was like, she didn't get shot like this.
I think she had diabetes, which my grandpa had and
then it leads to like kidney fail.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
So I was like, she went through all of this
on camera.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Pretty woman, okay, because I knew that, and I knew
that I loved her. And then I remember saying to
my brother, like he brought up Julia Roberts and I
was like suck, She's.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Gone you like goddress And he was like, no, she's
very much alive.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
And then he had to explained to me, like, you
don't choose to take your own life in a movie.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
So just to understand the logic of it, it wasn't
that Julia roberts had diabetes in Kidney Fair or whatever.
It was that Julia roberts the actor, decided it's time
for me to go, So I'll do this part where
I die, and I will die, yes, but.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I will say double whammy because I was in it
with the movie and I was experiencing the drama of
the movie and what was happening there, and then I.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Had the real estay. Julia Robertson just died.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And yeah, so people getting shot, they're like, do you
want to part in this film?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, you get.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Shot, I'm going to die, but I get to be
in this western Yeah, segod bye to your family and
then we'll see you on set. That's how you thought films.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But like I knew that, like that Alien and Spaceballs, didn't.
I knew that wasn't real. Like I knew that didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Actually like that, but yeah, interesting, all right, what about
being scared.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Do you like being scared? What's the film that scared
you the most?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yes, I do like being scared, and you're just catching
me on the.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Tail end of I watched Long Legs last night, and
I like being scared. But I did have I just
had Long Legs dreams the entire.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Night, and yeah, so love that.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
The first time I remember being scared was we would
go to Blockbuster, Justin and I.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Our grandma, our mammo is what we called it. She
would take us to Blockbuster.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
We would rent two videos, and the first one would
be one that we would watch together at like the
appropriate time for younger me, like seven o'clock. I'm supposed
to go to bed at nine, and then he would
watch he's six years older, his more late night movie.
But we both slept in the living room, and so
I would just like open my eyes and watch what
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was ever was going on?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
So mind you.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Very early I had seen Clockwork Orange, and I just
don't think. I won't even say that that movie was
scary to me because it was just too much.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I didn't know what was going on. My brain little
brain didn't absorb.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
But I was always excited for what his second pick
was even if it was a scary movie like Waxworks
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I didn't care.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
He had done Nightmare on Elm Street, and I just
thought Freddy Krueger was a badass.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
And free Keith.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
There was one movie that I was like, please don't
make this the nine o'clock pick, and that was hell Eraser,
and I promised myself to not open my eyes, and
I opened my eyes while he was watching it. And
still to this day, pin head like someone who chooses.
I don't know if Penn had made the choice, but
pretty much so. To have nails in his whole head, like, yeah,
(23:15):
is the scariest thing, and to you know, hooks and
flesh and pleasure and pain and even the box like terrifying,
scariest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
That's a great answer. Yeah, that's so. The thing that
scared you wasn't the look of him with pins in
his head. Is the fact that he tries to have pins.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
It is dead.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, I'm forgetting like the origin, but I do
feel like the Cenobytes have a bit of control over
their look, whereas I don't. I don't think Freddy had
control over.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
No, he didn't choose to get burned. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
No, the cenobytes want this because pleasure is pain.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's very good and it has never
come up on this podcast. So I'm gonna give you
ten points. Jesus Christ, what is the film that you love?
People don't like it, particularly critics, but you love it unconditionally.
What is that film? Nothing but Trouble with Dan at
Kroid Yes and.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
John Candy, Chevy Chase, Demi Moore.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I've seen nothing wrong with that good ship.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
You know, universally panned.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I probably watch it spies.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
No, they're not spies, like you know. The setup is odd.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Chevy Chase is a banker, and Demi Moore is I
don't know something with a home loan. I mean, I
just watched it recently because it's definitely a one or
two times a year watch for me. And still the
first fifteen minutes until they get to like Trancel Vanya
or whatever it is, where every all the shit goes down,
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the plot is so hard to follow.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I'm just like, this is too complicated.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Just get to when dan Akrod has like the penis nose,
and but I can say, like, yeah, this this is
like a bad movie. Like dan Akroyd's like that, you know,
one of those babies in the Junkyard. But I keep
showing it to people and introducing it to people. I
have the vhs in my dressing room at work. I
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watch it. I like, I like it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I just like that.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And do you think you like it because of seeing
it when you were little or something? Does it does
it feel like home or something?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:23):
It definitely feels like home and it but it's like
I now as an adult, I appreciate, like the special effects,
like the I'm gonna I almost said, like how the
house is like a Ruth Vader Ginsburg trap, But that's
not it's rude.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
That is the second thing she was famous for. Yeah,
the traps that she would set.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
You mean like they're so mass trap Yeah, the go
big Yeah, yes, like all of that.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I'm just like the set design, this is incredible.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Excuse me, but you you just come up with a
sketch for your next season wreath traps?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah? Nice answer.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
What about a film that you used to love but
you've seen recently and you do not like it anymore?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Hocus Pocus?
Speaker 4 (26:15):
And I think people are like maybe more Gaga for
Hocus Pocus now even from before or it's just been beloved,
but it's definitely kind of found its second wind and
like the last year of appreciation.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
And I went back and I was like, I'm not laughing.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'm not wanting to be one of these witches. I'm
not wanting to be the kid. I'm not wanting to
be the cat. I'm just not into it.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Interesting, Yeah, yeah, but I think that that film is
probably nothing but trouble to other people, you know what
I mean. Yeah, I think there are people that feel
that way for it. Tell me this, what is the
film that means the most to you? Not necessarily the
film itself is good, but because the experience you had
around seeing it will always make it special to you.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Okay, that film is kids?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Fuck it? Oh go ahead, Okay, So just.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
To set this up, once my parents got divorced, my
mom was like super into indie film. So even when
I was little, I was allowed to see things like
The Crying Game like it. She was open to a
lot of things and just knew that, like my brother
and I were so into movies. But in ninety four,
(27:30):
it's just a little bit of a lead up. Interview
with a Vampire was coming out, and I was like,
this is everything Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, Kirsten Dunce, Antonio Bandarris,
and Rice novel.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
This is the coolest, and she would not let me
see it.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Like it took maybe two months of it being like
the last weekend it was in the theater. I had
to write her like a special card. I remember I
got high. I don't know what the mindset was here,
but we're studying Egypt in school and I spelled in hieroglyphics.
Can I please go see an interview with a vampire?
And that's what broke her and I got to go
see interview with vampire. So this is just to say, like,
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you know, she did have some boundaries. So after that
I kind of knew not to push it. And you know,
a year six months later, kids came out and I
was definitely curious, but I was like, that's an obvious
no if mom's pc interviews with a vampire, so I'll
just see that when I'm an adult, because I think
I was in sixth grade. So Friday, I get off school,
(28:27):
my mom picks me up. I'm like, what are we doing?
And she was like going to the movies. We're going
to the Tivoli, which is like the indie movie theater.
And I was kind of only aware that kids was
coming out this weekend and I'm like, well, surely not,
and she just like walks us into kids and two
tickets for kids. I don't know what's going on. I'm like,
feel like I'm getting away with murder.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
I'm silent, I don't get candy. I'm just like, why
is this happening? What is going on? Like did I
win the lottery? We watch kids. I'm definitely too young
for it. I'm not as kids as those kids. I'm
in shock and we're walking out. I'm still in shock.
And I remember just looking over to her about to
(29:07):
be like, so, explain this to me, and she just
said to me. I looked at her and she said
do you want to be like that? And I was
like no, and she was like good, And it was
like it was her.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Like scared, Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Her moment like taking me to see kids?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Had she seen it? Had she seen it? Did she
know what?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
So?
Speaker 4 (29:34):
She was probably even like was this the right lesson?
But I mean I got to walk into school that Monday,
like feeling really fucking cool.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, sucking out And I guess it worked, right, You
didn't you didn't start being people that were skateboards and
yeah I sex, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Didn't do that, didn't do drugs, I did none of
those things. If it worked.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Thank you, Larry clak Well.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Wow, given that you which I really liked, you were like,
I don't want to be these people. I don't want
to be the witches. I don't want to be the kid.
What is the film you most relate to?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Oh, Mermaids.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I fucking love Mermaids.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
That never get made today. I just like always say
that just.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
A simple story, simple like in quotes, just about a
woman and her kids and moving and dating and that's it.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Some other people. Yeah, but yeahs incredible.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah who are you? And that the kid?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah, I would say it's like probably when I saw it,
I was in between the age of Christina Ricci and
one on a writer, and I like was not on
swim team or a really good little swimmer like Christina Ricci,
and I wasn't like potentially gonna like hook up with
the guy from sixteen Candles, like, but I did have
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a mom, who was beautiful and dating and was you know,
just intercepting her life and knowing what was going on
and seeing her work really hard for me and my
brother and still try to have a life. I was,
I like to say, now, I was on her ride,
and I felt like the girls in that movie were
on their mom's ride. And sometimes you can think, like,
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as an adult, you could be like, I don't know
that I should have.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Been, you know, on my mom's ride.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You know, like that could be irresponsible, But I'm like
it was pretty exciting too.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
That's fucking great. Well, great answer. I'm giving you twenty
points for that. What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Nidygardna?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Okay, well I kind of did this from that brain too,
is that okay? Do you want?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Like I remember and there's like little levels of this,
But Dick Tracy, I thought it was really sexy because
you know, I knew Warren Baby and Madonna were together
or maybe that kind of led to it. And you know,
even when she's in that black dress, she's like basically
naked and there's like heat between them.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But the kid in the movie, Charlie.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Chorismo, And I can say this because at the time,
I was age appropriate. I was in the same age
as him. I remember like, oh, I want to kiss
that boy that like felt different. Yeah, and then I
think William Worth's Scythe in that movie as flat Top,
which is one of the bad guys who looks everyone
else would say is like deformed, disfigured.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Just looked like a cool badass.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
It was like he had like a look that was
just confident even though he looked different. And like, I
think that started me even being like this is obvious
to say, but like attracted to the joker or like
it was just like ooh, these like bad guys there
was something wrong with their mouth or their head or yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
It's actually have you ended up with people with strange heads?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
M No, never a strange head or a strange smile,
trying to think anything strange.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, but that's my type.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
It's about time you with someone with a strange head.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I feel like you've wasted.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
There's a sub category troubling is worrying why dones? Okay,
you found a rousing that you weren't sure you should.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
There's a callback and people aren't gonna like it. But
in nothing but trouble Yeah, there's a scene where the
scene is headed by Daniel Baldwin and some other party
growers driving down the highway going really fast partying and
they get pulled over taken to Transylvania. But I think
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when they have to like put all of their substances
on the judge's desk, like you can tell like there's.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Like needles and coke and and like.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I said that like earlier, like all the girls are
like dressed like Kelly Kapowski and Daniel Balden got his
hair slipped back, and you just I just remember knowing
they're going to do drugs and like have sex and
like that's sexy. And then they end up going through
this like roller coaster called like the bone Crusher and
like getting stripped of their skin and they just come
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out bone. So they didn't get to do what I
was fining.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
But I was like, ooh, was this before you saw
kids or to kid? Yes, so you saw so basically
every trouble was trouble for you because then you were like, yeah,
I'm going to do I'm going to have sex with
square heads and do drugs, and then you saw kids
and you were like, I'm never having sex with anyone,
and I'm never doing drugs and no, thank you.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
It seems like I was getting turned on by things
that also had like a level of prosthetics or something.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
And then when I saw kids that looked like me,
I was like.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
You are you are on SNL when everyone has prosthetics
all the time.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah, And you think I'd be horny all the time
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Just professionally, Yeah, I think you'd be just kissing everyone
and every single sketch with these flat heads square heads
come and you love it there, Jesus, after party must
be a mess. What is objectively the greatest film of
all time?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Parenthood?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
What an excellent answer. You're getting forty points for that,
thank you? What a brilliant film. Tell me why that
is the greatest film. I'm not saying you're wrong.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Yeah, I would say find me a better cast, like
just as far as an ensemble goes. And I've seen
it so much that I also like a movie where
either the younger you are when you see it or
the older you are, like who your favorite person is
and who two the most like changes throughout the course.
(35:44):
So like I see it when I'm a kid, and
it's like, well, Steve Martin's the funniest person in the world.
And when he does Cowboy Gil, I wish that was
my dad and he's so funny. But then I start
to get a crush on Keanu Reeves and it's like,
oh my god, like you know, he's in his underwear
and that scene and then and then also the greatest
on screen loser to me ever is Uncle Larry, like
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the guy who names his son Cool and is always like,
you know, trying to pitch like a business and gets
dropped off by his friends, by them throwing him out
the car and him rolling on the street.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Like just everyone nails in that movie. Diane West.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, I just the older I get, I just relate
to people more and more and it's funny.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
And also I just think like, how did they pull
this off?
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Like every there's not a story in that movie, a
storyline that doesn't get wrapped up in a bow, whether
it's satisfying or not, or makes you cry or is
tragic or just life like Uncle Larry does disappear again
and the grandparents have to raise Cool.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
And that was something where I was like.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Oh, yeah, there's moments of that feel familiar even as
a kid, you know, like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
It's fantastic, it's fantastic, parent It's so beautiful, and it
does have an awful lot going on in it. I
haven't watched the TV show, but I hear it's wonderful,
and you think there's probably a season's worth of storylines
in that one film. But it doesn't feel totally rush
to episodic of God damn, that's good. And it's the
people that write city Slickers, I believe right, and city Slickers.
(37:20):
I think it is one of the great I think
so too in it in the same feeling similar way. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
hard to do. Ensemble love it.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Thank you me too.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
You're very good at.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
This, Hidigardner, what's the what's the film you could or
have watched the most over and over again.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
If it's not nothing but trouble.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
It's not. It's Boomerang. Love boom right, I love Boomerang.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
That was one of those lucky ones that, yes, we
would rent it all the time from Blockbuster at the
grocery store, but we almost didn't need to because our
local television stations Channel forty one and sixty two played
it just as much. And then when I was at friends'
houses who had cable and had HBO. It was also
like Boomerang was booming on HBO, like it was just on.
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And I felt every time like if I was religious,
God was looking down and being like, I'm giving you
this movie and.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
I'm giving you another.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm giving you Boo.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Same thing with an ensemble, just you know, Eddie Murphy,
Martin Lawrence, David Allen Greer, Johnny Witherspoon with like the
mushroom belt, so many quotable lines, and that was just
what my childhood was, was quoting. And it also taught me.
There's a scene in the beginning just where Martin Lawrence,
Eddie Murphy, and David Allen Greer are out to lunch
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and there's this one waitress. She's a white woman who's
just doing a great white woman impression, who's telling about
the special and she's talking about she was like and
then it comes with the sparagus tips and they are good,
and then I think the guys in the movie kind
of make fun of her. And it was like the
first time, which just towhere like how like I could
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be annoying And I still think of sometimes when I
just have that but and it is good and just
like I'm like, that's annoying, Like and I just loved
the observation.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, I love that film. And is that Robin Gibbons
Was that her first film?
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 4 (39:17):
And then Just When You're a young girl aspiring to
be like a beautiful woman Robin Gibbons, halle Berry, just
anyone that Eddie Murphy was on a date with in
that movie. There's like, yeah, a beautiful woman who's like
walking a dog like it was just everything with Grace
Jones like eye candy, funny and eye candy.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
That's what I cared about.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, that's a help movie. Did you have you ever
met Eddie Murphy?
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Is he ever? Yes? How did that go?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
And So I had a Boomerang poster in my office
at SNL since my first season there, and I think
he hosted my third season, and so I was really
nervous because I was like, he's gonna come in my office,
He's going to see the boomerang poster and he's gonna
think I hung enough fast.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
But he was very sweet about it.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
That's nice. That's nice.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
You have to be genuine with your places, you know.
When we when we had when Bill Lawrence and I
had our meeting with Jason Segel to talk about shrinking.
We run the zoom and I had a poster of
his Muppets movie behind me, and I'd forgotten because it's
just always there. And then suddenly Bill was like, by
the way, this isn't fake.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
That is.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, yeah, tell me this. Let's not be too negative.
What's the worst film you've ever seen?
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Cloud Atlas?
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Now, come on listen in defense of Cloud Atlas. M hm,
it's taking some massive swigs. Talk about it's swinging.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
It is.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
It is a film of someone swinging wildly over and
over big swigs.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yes, And I appreciate this, and I'll actually take more
of the heat on this because every so often there's
a type of movie or being someone who loves movies
for like going deep, crying, taking chances, prosthetics.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
We've talked, you know, there's poetics, all of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
There is a certain type and I don't even think
I'm well spoken enough to get this point across what
I'm gonna try. There's a certain type of intelligent film
that's dealing with certain themes that goes so far over
my head from the script to the performance that I
(41:34):
just start rejecting it and all the people around me
that are into it, and I do think this is
a me problem. But Cloud Atlas is one of those.
And also it's I should say this because I would
love a part like this, but when there are parts
for actors where there's too much meat on the bone,
where I know that like the actor is very aware of,
(41:56):
like if I nail this, it was the best actor
of all time, I reject that as well. And there
was like too much meat on the bone in that
movie where I'm just like.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Everybody's doing too much. Everyone's getting off on themselves.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Everybody's everybody, even with the audience is also getting off
on it too.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I'm just like, I cannot submit to this film.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I just did. I just did.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah, me problem, that's that is you. But it is
a very strange film, and good luck to it. I
wish it will.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah. What's the film that made you laugh the most?
You're very funny? What makes you laugh the most?
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Waiting for Gutman?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Fucking great? Of course it is Coase it.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Is, Yeah, and another one, you know. I just went
to a screening of it this summer.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Seeing that movie.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Hundreds of times, I love. And this was my realization
from seeing it one hundred and tenth time. I was
so obsessed with so many certain lines and parts in
that movie when I was thirteen years old that like
coasted me through even all my twenties of my waiting
for Gotman obsession that I was missing so much. And
(43:02):
this time I had had like maybe I hadn't seen
the movie in five years, and I had this new
lens where I was like, oh my god, Like there's
that scene at the Chinese restaurant when they're talking about
like Fred Willard's penis reduction surgery and like that that
was the funniest thing, and all the dialogue. But the
more and more this time I started launching Catherine O'Hara,
(43:25):
and not just what's coming out of her mouth because
she's so drunk, but the way she's eating her dinner and.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
How fucking sloppy she is.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
And imagining a woman just like telling all these secrets
about her husband while just being like sloppy with Chinese
food was killing me. And I had so many other
of those little moments that I was like, oh my god,
now I'm gonna go back through my adult face. So
waiting for Goffman.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah. Fuck, I loved that. I love that. Hid got it.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
You have been absolutely brilliant as expected, Thank you and
a joy to hang out with. However, when you were
they recently, I don't know if you know this, but
they rebuilt the mall in Kansas City. It's called the
the Banister All. They rebuilt it, and you were so
excited you went there all the time.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
You went. You went shopping hard.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
You shopped so hard that the play shut down and
you didn't even notice, and you were like, fucking know,
it's it's getting dark in here. And all the lights
went out and you were like oh, and you checked
the door and you were locked in. You were like, well,
just go to my favorite door, Merry Around. You went
in Merried Around before I just have a little nap here,
and the smoke alarm wasn't on, there wasn't a CO
(44:38):
two test, and carbon monoxide was pumped into the building
as they did every night to sort of clear out
bugs and stuff, and you died from carbon monoxide poisoning. Anyway,
I'm there in the morning, guy shopping with a coffin,
you know how I do, And I go, what's this
merry Around? I like rides. Is this like a ride?
And I go in there and I'm like, oh, fuck,
(44:59):
it's clothes is it around?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Really, I'm really annoyed there's no rides here. I'm like,
this is bullshit. But then I see a dead body
in it. I'm like, is that hider gardener from shrinking?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
And because of the carbon monoxide, you've like expanded. You're
absolutely freaking massive. Actually you in a way you'd fancy
yourself because you've now got quite a distended head. And
and I I said to the shop for people that
work at mergrounds, like, can you help me? We have
to chop you up, chop you up, chop up. Carbon
monoxides coming out, and I'm like, hold your breath and
we get all the pieces of your body in the coffee.
(45:33):
We stuff it in. It's jammed in there. There's no room.
There really isn't room in there.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
There's no room.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
There's enough room that we could slip one DVD into
the side for you to take across to the other side.
And on the other side, it's movie night every night.
What are you taking to show the cats in heaven
when it is your movie night? Hid the Gardener go.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
I want to laugh.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
I want to watch Jack Black for the rest of
my afterlife. It's saving sober Man.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Oh wow, excellent choice, wonderful idea. People in heaven are
going to love you, the cats are going to love you.
This is all lovely. I'm very happy for you and
your future death. Please will you tell everyone what you
would like them to listen or look out for with yourself?
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Hawd your garden? It involved oh.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
My gosh, shrinking shrinking.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
In October season two.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Yes, SNL is coming out in an unreleased date but soon.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Okay, cool Excity.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
I got to be a judge on a very cool
and heartwarming show called Second Chance Stage that comes out
in Thanksgiving. And most of you will think that we
don't need it, but if we could all just collectively
root for the Chiefs this season, it makes me really
happy when they win Super.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Bowls's that's really nice. I get that, do you? Is
the Second Chance? Second Chance shy Down? What was it called?
Second Chance Sunday?
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Second Chance Stage? And it's about people.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
It's a competition talent show about people who are taking
a second chance in life, who got kind of held
back or stopped from their dreams and are now being
really open and vulnerable and doing it for later in life, really.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Crying, you're ready, I'm crying ready, And I hope that
you're the main judge of it. I hope it's really
vulnerable and you're just like that is shit, Yeah, guy, Chase.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
I was very scared of being the mean judge because
I knew I couldn't do it. But I really found
a way in humanity wise with people.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
That I wasn't expecting and so nice.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Just one of those unexpected life experiences where you're like,
that was really special.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Like I would never want to be me or I
don't understand how anyone does the negative side of it?
Did it happen? Like what happens when someone when you're
like this is really bad? What would you say? How
would you handle it in a way that isn't me
or upsaying, well if that happened.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah, this is just an example.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
So I wouldn't even say I had to deal with
like really bad the thing that I could really tell.
And it's probably because you know, a lot of the
people that I was seeing weren't necessarily like twenty one
year old, no fear like just giving it at all.
I could tell so many people like we're finally shooting
their shot and the talent was there. But I was like,
I bet this is so much better when you do
(48:20):
this like in your basement at home, like yeah, because
I can just tell you could see like there was
like a guy performing like Mac the Knife, and I
was like, I can see that you have these moves
like and I don't see anyone today doing this stuff.
And I was like I can just relate, Like when
I'm at home alone doing something, I'm just like so
much more swab and just to like tell him, like
(48:43):
you know, not that it means a lot coming from me,
but like if I could just give you the permission
to if you just go that little bit further, which
is adults, it's really hard to do because we don't
want to look stupid. You won't look stupid, like we'll
be more impressed and will actually be more comfort want
more at.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Ease and be like, oh my god, like he's not
only dude doing that. That's yeah, that was one thing nice.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Thank you, Heidi Gardner. Thank you for all of it,
of course, thank you, thank you for being in shrinking,
Thanks for being brilliant and hope I see you in
real life soon under okay, I will have a lovely day,
good day to goodbye. So that was episode three hundred
(49:27):
and fourteen. Don't forget to get tickets to the last
seven dates of my American tour of my stand up
show Second Best Night of Your Life. Tickets are available
at Breck Costingtour dot com. Head over to the Patreon
at patreon dot com for slash Bret Golsteen for the experts,
secret chat and video with Heidi Gardner Guy jab the podcast,
give us a five star rating and right about the
film that means the most to you and why it's
a lovely thing to read, helps numbers and it's really appreciated.
(49:50):
Thank you so much to Heidi Gardner for giving me
your time. Thanks to Scruby's Pit and the distraction Pieces
of Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks
to Iheartmeeteria and Will Flower's Big Money Days Network posting it.
Thanks Adam Bridgeston for the graphics and Lease Lading for
the photography. Come join me next week for another incredible guest.
I hope you're all well. Thank you very much for listening.
That's it for now, but in the meantime, have a
(50:12):
lovely week, and please be excellent to each other.
Host
Brett Goldstein
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