July 24, 2024 • 72 mins
LOOK OUT! It’s only Films To Be Buried With!
Join your host Brett Goldstein as he talks life, death, love and the universe with the excellent comic, writer and podcaster SARA BARRON!
Sara swoops in from the first moment and ensures that this episode is a level 10 throughout - a thoroughly entertaining ride from beginning to end, as we hear about so much about (but not limited to) films and how they've affected Sara's life. A timely reflection on Edinburgh Fringe up top too, which will appeal to everyone about to visit or perform there, and if you're familiar with Sara's podcasting output, you can also expect a healthy amount of relationship goodies too. So much to enjoy and appreciate!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, who is sure only films to be buried with? Hello,
and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer,
a director, a drum kit, and I love films. As
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Natalie Babbitt once said, like all magnificent things, it's all
very simple. My Holland Driver is about destructive love for
an ex. Yeah, I get it. Every week I own
a special guest over. I tell them they've died, then
I get them to discuss their life through the films
that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins,
Amber Ruffin, Mark Frost, Sharon Stone, and even Bed Campbell's.
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But this week it's the brilliant comedian, writer, and a
podcaster Sarah Barron. Head over to the Patreon at patreon
dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you get extra
stuff for all the episodes, including a secret. You also
get the whole thing uncut, adfree and does a video.
Check it all out over at Patreon dot com forward
slash break Goldstein. Sarah Baron is a brilliant comedian about
to do her new show Anything for You at the
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Monkey Barrel at the Edinburgh Fringe every afternoon for the
month of August. We recorded this very recently on zoom
and we talked so much that we actually ran out
of time, so I'm sorry for the short patron section.
But we did as much as we could in the
time that she had, which was a long time, but
we just talked too much. But anyway, we got deep.
It was really lovely and I really think you're going
to love this one. I hope you're all well, that
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is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy
episode three hundred and nine of Films to be Buried With. Hello,
and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is
I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by an actor,
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a writer, a successioneerer, a podcaster, a legend, a comedian,
a live at the Apollo, a Brady, a feasta, an
Edinburgh Fringe hero, a person, a wife, a human and
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a book writer at least. Please welcome to the show.
Could you believe she's here? She really is? It's a barrage.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Oh, it's only me, do you know? Do you know
what I've Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
No, no, I don't think I'm an actor. But then
I did do one acting job. I majored in it, Brett.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
What but your your acting trajectory has gone very differently
to mine.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
What was your one job?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I got hired and I think it was and I
think it qualifies as an acting job. Not a voiceover artist, John,
But it was a it was a voiceover acting thing
that was something about like it was a it was
an advert for Wendy's in the UK.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's an acting job. Wow, that's an acting job.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
But it was supposed to sound it was supposed to
be a spoof of like a true crime podcast. So
I played a true crime podcast hosts audio only they
were laughing so hard at me, Brett one time, and
I did, well, no, I just want you to know
that I you know, I got the chance, and.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, she took it. What was the crime? This seems
like such a risky advert for Wendy's. Was the crime?
The burgers are too good?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I mean, here's the pitch, you're it's burger murders. So
the idea is stop murdering burgers like all the other
places murder burgers, and Wendy's honors a burger. But then
I think it turned out there was like a bunch
of murders to do with burgers somehow, and so then.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
They had to like like rebrand the thing. I was like,
I don't care. I'm getting paid for another day like
the real I was like, oh, I think I just
celebrated that people got murdered because I'm like, we have
to do another day. Great, like another.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Feat, another Wendy has been murdered. This is great for me.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Another burger got murdered. So that was That was my
one fora.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Insane an insane idea for an advert. But I'm proud
of you.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
These things are so sorry. This is my problem.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I have so many questions I want to ask for you,
but I will accept that this is not the format.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
What was your question you would want to ask?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Too big.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I think they were too big, you know. It wasn't
like a small thing.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I don't think I got to I got two big
questions for you. When is you're about to do Edinburgh again? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
For how show? What number show is this? So?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
This is number four? How many have you done? How
many did you do?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I did Edinburgh eleven times? I did within that time,
you know, because I did sorts of compilationships and I
did plays, but I did four hours in Edinburgh.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I think, okay, this will be four for me and
I you know, I always think if if I listened
to someone talk about Edinburgh before I myself had participated
in it, and people chocolate, it's this, it's this, it's heart,
people go into debt, You'd be like, why is this
so hard? Like it's a gorgeous city. You're working for
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an hour a day, you your you know, stand up
is a job that can involve a lot of travel.
You're not travel like your friends are around. What why
isn't it kind of summer camp?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And then what I say to people is, here's why
it's not summer camp. Okay, I want you to imagine
that for a month. We know, Brett, We're be honest.
These are too emotionally astute people talking to each other.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Okay, I bet.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
We're both so mach sure, so open. We know the lingo,
we know what's going on. We therefore understand that two
keys to mental health are Number one, perspective. Having perspective
is the way you stay healthy in your brain. We
also know that the road to ruin is comparison. You
do well when you stay in your lane, baby, you
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do your thing.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
When you are up in Edinburgh, it is in incessant
comparison married with a complete lack of perspective. And I
say to my friends, imagine if for one month you
had to hear every single thing that was set about
you behind your back. Oh my god, that's what I
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kind of think it is.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Or or confront the fact guess what no one's saying
anything because no one gives a shit about you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And you go up and you decide you're going to
live to fight another day, and you sort of go
up and you know you will know of course that
like you usually you learn the story of what your
Edinburgh would be across the first week and a half
and then you kind of learn maybe like no good
story here, and then for another two and a half
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weeks you kind of have to continue to do it.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So that's why it's hard.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
And I like to always offer that up because before
I as a stand up comic, and I listened to
stand up comics like people with their fucking these people
need to grow up their no no no, and I'm like,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I have felt that myself but that is why it
could be tough.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
The perspective thing I think is very astute in that
it is like your sort of truck. It's probably the
closest you get to being on Love Island or something,
because there is no way of escaping it. So for
you could just say, because I've fucking tried, I've tried.
I'll go to the gym every day, I'll go for
a swim. I'm going to go. I'm going to leave,
going to walk outside of the festival and be in
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the real world. It doesn't exist. You can't escape it.
You're in this bubble where it's quite a big bubb
it's quite hard to leave that bubble. You can't.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
There is trying, there's physically no And you will say
I will say, like, I don't need any convincing to
not read reviews.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I have never read a review of myself in my life.
I never will and now you don't have to convince me.
I don't read reviews of other comics.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I feel like it's it violates that, Like I I
it feels really disgusting if I do that, And so
that's easy for me. But then I'll also be like,
I'm going to really try and stay off social media.
So when I feel the little itch, don't do it,
go here. You'll bring up these books.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
But even if you do all that, you still have
to walk down the road and there's some person who's
one of your triggers, and they're getting eight stars left
and right, and you think, number one, you're a bad person.
Number two, you're a mediocre common you know, you just
and then you're thinking, but what do I care? Why
does that care? I added, you know, it's all this
kind of stuff. Did you ever read the Bruce Springsteen
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autobiography Born to Run?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I did not.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I think it's fair to say we know each other
a bit. Yes, yeah, we don't hang out one on one,
but we run. We read it before, you know, you
were always away doing things.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I think we know each other a bit. I think
I do know. You all have to know that. I
think you would absolutely love his book.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Oh I love I am sure I would. I'm going
to write it down right.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Now, write it down, baby, We all love Springsteen. Come on.
But it is an extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Tone about I hate to say this, I hear myself
as I say it, about art and about being someone
who's trying to make something, and about getting older and
making things, and you know, he talks about like these
sort of mental jiu jitsu games you play to convince
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yourself that this time will be different, that I can
do it, I can, you know whatever, And it's really anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I think you'd love it, and I think you should
read it.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I would say this about Edinburgh. It's funny. You're right.
I hadn't sort of put it in that context, but like, yes,
it sounds insane, as in, it sounds anyone complaining about Edinburgh,
Like what a fuck you complain about you? You went
to an arts festival for a month, and yeah, you know,
I mean, like, it sounds insane, and I do think
it's incredibly It's a really hard cyclogy. The performance part
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of it is the easiest part of it, and that's hard. However,
my point is this, I think I really mean this.
I think Edinburgh taught me everything I needed to navigate
the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Generally think tell me more, tell me more, tell me more,
Tommy more.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Like. Weirdly, I hate to compare these and I'm always
I'm wired that people will be like, it's not of course,
it's not the same. I've interviewed two three people on
this podcast who did SNL, who then went on to
do other things, run their own shows, have their own things,
and all of them said, I said, it's so hard
running your own show, being a showrunner, being this, being that.
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How do you copeable? And all of them said, it's
easier than SNL. SNL was so hard and such a
sort of emotional training, but it hardened them that anything
else was easier. And I feel that way about Edinburgh.
I go, all this stuff I've done since Edinburgh is
the same, the skill set I learned of navigating people,
of navigating egos, of navigating in the madness of industry,
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all of that. Edinburgh is such a condensed version of
it that you go anywhere else it's like, yeah, I
know how all this works. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
God, that's fascinating. That is a fascinating thing to hear
and inspiring to hear.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Here's the thing I think about you. I think you
have unbelievable focus.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Can I tell you exactly what I mean by that,
because I don't mean I have no way of knowing
if you go I've got to write this script today.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And Brett sits down and he writes that script and
you have some kind of hyper focused thing and you
can get I don't know that I mean that. What
I mean is I think a lot of comedians and
maybe actors too, like jobbing artists.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
We want a distraction. I want shit to take me
away from what I would love to work on. This joke,
but someone needs to talk.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, let's get And I think you are some kind
of like zen master.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Where you I don't even mean workaholic, although you're because
of some of the success you've had. I'm very interesting
whether or not you are a workaholic, because I think
you kind of have to be.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
But I mean, like, definitely you're not looking for a
reason for a lunch.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
That's very funny.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Do you know what I mean that? Right about you?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Well, look, I'm very easily distracted and I procrastinate and
part of but I have made peace. One thing I've
learned is procrastination is part of the job. You have
to accept. Like the bit where you where you go,
we should go and get a coffee, we should go
get lunch. That is actually going to inform your writing,
like you have to make peace with it. Isn't sitting
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for eight hour solid staring at your screen. That is
not no job. Sometimes the job is pacing around, fucking
going a fuck a fuck fuck yeah, talking and talking.
But when it's happening, when you do get down to
it and it's happening, I fucking love it. So that's
the I love it. And I'm running from life, you know,
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that's the secret in it. I would rather back in
the forth, the back and the forth. How much are
you just stand up tour recently? Didn't you? Yes, I'm
still doing it.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
How are you finding it being back after getting famous
on television?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
That's what I'm curious about.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Oh well, look, I mean the really incredible difference is
that people currently want to come and see. That's the difference.
The difference is seventeen years to one hundred people and
now yeah, more people want to come, and that is amazing.
It's really really, I genuinely do not for a second
take it for granted. Like I'm like every night, I'm like, fuck,
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this is like I moved. I find it. You're moved.
I find it moving. No, I moved.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I moved speaking to you, I moved to you. It's moving.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
You know. I've got babysitter fucking got their cars, came
out like that's amazing, amazing, they're excited, but then it
does Also the flip side is then I, well, I
guess I always would have done this, but like then
you really fucking care about putting on a good shows,
Like there's better to be fucking good. People have come out,
they spend a lot of money that they hear, they've
got their drinks, they've come in with their friends. You know. Anyway,
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it's been great. I've really loved it, and I feel very,
very very lucky.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Okay, okay, I accept I accept that answer. He feels
gratitude everyone. He's great for everything.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Look, I'll tell you this, but then I feel embarrasseding
this because it's asking.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I want to know you've been on an interesting journey
and it's and I love talking to people about that stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I think it's really fascinating. And I will just say
really quickly, but are you going to hold your thing?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Because don't not say. The thing is that I don't
like when people who have gotten very successful after working
their fine asses off, and it's like, let's talk about that.
That's fucking fascinating.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Like four years ago, you could walk down the street
and now you kind of yet in the same way,
and that's a very rare experience. So I think it's
interesting and I like to know the feelings.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Well, you know, it's all complicated and there's lots of
things that are very bad about it, but the tour
is the tours has been amazing. And what I will
say is there was a day, maybe it was in
Houston and we did this show and normally there's like
a you know, there's a back door to get in
and out of the venue and it's sort of a
different area of the place, like a little street. But
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in this case, when we finished the show, we got
in the car and the car had to basically just
go around the front of the venue and be in
the parking lot where the audience were. So we then
had to like sit in a queue for about half
an hour just to get out of the venue with
the audience. And it really I found it so moving.
I was like, fuck, Like it hadn't occurred to me
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people fucking sit in a car and queue to come
to this thing, you know what I mean, Like this
is a big deal. People making such a fucking effort.
It isn't like, yeah, we just pop and see this thing.
It's like babysit a car queue, parking lot, parking ticket,
you know what I mean, Like it's such a big
commitment on their part. I was genuinely sort of I
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just couldn't, you know, I really appreciate it. I really
was like, fuck this.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I think it reflects very well on you that getting
stuck in a que made you feel gratitude.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I should have wound that way.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Get me out of here. That's very good. That's very good.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So that's very nice. But you know, and also, but
I have the feeling of like, who knows, who knows
how how how long people may or may not want
to buy tickets, you know what I mean. So I'm
making the most of it. But it's very fine. It's
and it's an interesting sort of experience I've learned. It's different.
It's different doing stand up in a big venue with
a big stage audience. You've sort of physically it forces
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you to change. I'm now much more physical than I
used to be. I used to just sort of stand.
Don't now and move about and I do. You have
to big act outs and it's kind of it's a
new skill and that's fine.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Anyway, it's a journey. He's on his journey.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
How did you write a fourth show? Did you have
the theme first or the jokes? What was it? Did
you have a big idea?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I had a thing happened tell me. I'm going to
tell you. It's going to spoil the surprise of the show,
but I think for your listeners perhaps it will intrigue them.
So I'm making a marketing choice in real time to
share my secret. So basically, two years ago, I got
a call from my brother informing me that my entire
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family was fine after fleeing from a mass shooting.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Okay, stay with me.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So he's like telling me this story, and I'm like,
wait what, wait what what?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
What?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It was a Fourth of July parade that they have
gone to every year since I'd been born. I grew
up going to this parade and like an active shooter
open fire at this parade. Right, She's like telling.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Me this story, and the long and short of it
is like, so he had to leave my parents there.
He had to like literally pick up his kids and run.
He left my parents to die. Fine, he has to
make his choices. So he's then like he had to
spend about fifteen minutes, thinking that my parents had been
killed possibly.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Then they show up. Everyone's fine, everyone's fine. And then
basically what was funny. What was funny to me was
as he was like telling me this story, and I
was like, wait, I you know, my mother started knocking
out the door and she's like, good eye, con did
you talk to my daughter?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And my brother was like looking down the FaceTime call
like Jesus fucking Christ. And then they leaned into the
camera and he goes, I wish i'd shut her in
the back myself.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And it was so funny. I was like he legit
thought she would be dead fifteen minutes ago, and she
had been so annoying across fifteen minutes that he's now
making a joke about wishing each shot her.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
And I was like that is And for years people
have said to me, do you do stuff about your
mom and your stand up?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
And I'm like, nah, I can never figure out what
it is. I don't like, no, I don't, but.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Okay, And I was like, oh, because what's a show
about your mom that isn't just like my mom did
one thing, she did a second thing, she did a
third And I was like, that's the show about my mom.
It like that's either a big finale or an inciting
incident to investigate my rage at my crazy fucking mom,
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you know, and people are like, oh, I'm like, no,
my mom's good, she's a good lady, but she's fucking psychotic.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So is the inciting incidant at the beginning and then
you go back or is it the end?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Well, as a man who I assume is interested in structure,
it's been all over the place.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
At first, I was like, it's.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
An end, and then it was not working, and I
was like, oh, it's an inciting incident.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It's an exciting it starts it. So then it was
at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
It was at the beginning, and then I was like, no,
it is the end. So that's a long winded way
of saying I have been on a long road to
understanding it is.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It is the end.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And the inciting incident is my husband accusing me of
being like her.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That's great, Okay, that's good. That's interesting. My head went
through the structure the ways and I was like, the
downside of it being at the beginning's great because it's exciting.
The downside is will we laugh at anything? If we
think your mom has been in a mess, it might
FuG you for an hour.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Well, all I will say is this is what we have.
I have never I have never had to work something
so hard structurally, and I'm happy.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I think I'm there a baby. I think if I
tighten a few screws, I think we're there. But I
am so in my head and I think to.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Lure people in, I'll say I think I'm performing quite
poorly at the moment.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I think I'm just a lady on stage being yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah, right, tickets coming by. I'll be great as
I try to remember the lines. But you know, I
hope I get it there. I just got to, you know,
I'll get it there. Come see it after the seventh.
I'll come see you.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
After the seventh. So that's it. Where is it on
Monkey Barrel every day at four forty five?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Oh? Perfect?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
This is what everyone's saying. But you know, I do very,
very as all or most humans. Isn't expectation everything in
the world Brett and I I need to manage mine
because everyone goes Monkey Barrel. Hello, it's the coolest of
the venues. Monkey Barrel at four forty five oh and
so I'm expecting and it's like you were saying, for
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seventeen years you played to one hundred people.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well you were like in that world, I'm not mistaken,
like mostly pre pandemic.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I think you know you did. You logged most of
your ten thousand hours pre pandemic. Whatever. The world has changed.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
So I'm now like year you know, I'm year five
into plan forty people and give me one hundred and forty,
you know what I mean. So I'm a little scarred
by small numbers and being like like I had this
in my.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Last show, the record when I say seventeen years of
one hundred people, I mean forty. Yeah, okay, American exaggerator.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
But they were getting to you, baby, They're getting to you.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
He's gotten probably.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You know, I will call it you. Yeah, there are
four people in. But I had worked up like my
favorite part of my show was what I thought was
a very funny marital blow jobs kind of bit, and
I was like, this is fucking good.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I've not heard anyone say it. It's a good observation.
It's like disgusting.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But I didn't have any big crowds. I was like,
but you because I can't be looking.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I can't be making eye contact when there are thirty
people in at a preview with some lady who's come
with her twenty year old daughter who liked me and
then brought her fifty five year old mom. And then
I'm looking at them while I'm like blowjobs. And I
was like, but let me just let me just get
it up to Edinburgh. Let me just get it up there,
because then let's cook with some gas bitches.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And then I got up there and it was like
there was no and I'd worked so hard on something,
I was so and I would like do my blow
job and they get off stage and cry, because I
was like, then what are we What are we doing
anymore if we can't say this to a room that
can cohese as a room and feel the darkness and
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feel the anonymity and work as a unit and respond
how they're supposed to my married blowjob lady stuff, you know,
but positive attitude. It's a new year, it's a new time,
it's a new venue. Only onwards and upwards, Brett, Okay,
onwards and upwards.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
And you're feeling good. The other well, the other big
question I had to ask you, I guess applies to
all of what you have said, which is you, If
we may speak about this openly, I believe you have
are married to Jeff Lloyd, who is a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful,
lovely man and also a public figure in some ways.
(24:24):
And you two do things together, and you talk about
each other in your in your public life, and you
are now doing a show where you talk about your
mum and your brother and stuff. And I wondered, how
if any difficulty there is in sort of privacy, and
you know what I mean, like, like you have any
like is your mum going to see your shows? It's
(24:45):
something you've talked about with her. There's stuff between you
and Jeff where you're like, let's not there's a limit
like this is this is the boundary where we lie.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It is on the wrong side line.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So it's sort of it's very different with those two people,
my mom and Jeff. And then also exactly the same.
So so to everyone's credit, like my mom irritates the
shit out of me, and I don't like when people
are really glowing about their mothers. It gives me the X.
I don't like that my mommy, Oh shut up, So
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I don't feel comfortable saying nice things about her.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
But a thing I will say is my mom's taste
is pretty extraordinary. So like something will be like this
will be the new thing or this, and my mom
will watch it and be like am I going crazy?
Or was this terrible?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
And I'm like, yes, it's it's terrible most people as
a snob, most people don't have the taste to know
it's fucking bad. But yeah, Mom, that's bad, and you're
smart enough that you know that's bad. So that is
all to say, I can get away with anything in
front of my mother or my husband if it's good.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And I know that's such a snotty little bit she
little eh eh way to describe it, but that's the truth.
So I'm working on.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
This bit right now about I never love this as
a pitch for it, but but but as a you know,
it's about why I think a lot of women sort
of hate their husbands. And I don't really mean hate,
but I think that the you know, to be really
binary about gendered and very heteronormative about stuff. Most married
straight women I know are really exhausted by their husbands
(26:19):
in ways that I don't think husbands are exhausted by
their wives.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Interesting, Okay, real broad strokes here, obviously.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
But I'm thinking about the ten ladies that I know,
including myself.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
You're more exhausted by Jeff than Jeff is by.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You one hundred percent now and he knows that, and
we and and so I so I said to him.
But also like Jeff and I will you want the diagnosis?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Why does Jeff because he's more
laid back, Like what's the difference?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
No, no, no, no, Jeff is not fucking more late.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
But like we will say to each other, the problem
with our marriage, there's not a lay back individual in
this household. Okay, both of us are like, you'll look
at us wrong, and we're like that hurt me.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I'm hurt both of us, fucking constant, so with Jeff.
And also like Jeff helps me with my work.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Like when Jeff and I got together, he was very
successful and I wasn't. And any little bit of progress.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
That has happened professionally is one hundred percent because I
married him. It just is like his taste level is good,
he's on the like he's just good, and so he'll go, no,
that doesn't work. Why because is this a good idea? No,
that's shitty. Everything is better with him. He helps me
with everything, so of course, and I help him with nothing.
(27:45):
I yeah, so in that way, like professionally I exhaust him,
but I'm not. I'm talking about a core at the
fucking core.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And so I was like, what is this?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
What the fuck is this?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
What is this? And what it is?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
And this is circling back to the question that you
asked me, which is like, basically, I think that we
all have our emotional loads and I break mine off. Okay,
so my friend Becky is going to deal with this,
my friend Maggie is going to deal with this. A
local mom who I see a drop off.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I'm gonna go, oh fucking am I allowed to say,
my fucking I'm gonna here one for you, one for you,
take my trauma, one for you, take my trauma. Jeff goes,
here's all my trauma. Oh honey, do you want to
share it with your best friend?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
You know, the guy who you love who's very open
to talking about your trauma. Do you want to share
with him? You want to get him on on this?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
No? No, no, You'll go out with him for.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
A four hour dinner, you guys can talk about like
comics and films and music.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Come home. Oh, but all my bullshit on my wife.
And so I'm trying to do a bit about this, right,
And then there's like a punchline about like his favorite
position is feel you know, it's like a sex shock. Whatever,
thank you, it didn't go down great and Faversham last night.
I'll tell you that much. But with that, so when
you're saying, what are the lines with Jeff, Jeff all
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this shit, his mental health stuff is go to town.
He will let me say whatever.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But what I could feel in a room was like
I have to stay on the right side of the
line with talking about what a piece not even a
piece of shit, but like it's it is about his
vulnerability in some way, right, right, So it's.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Not about what Jeff says, because he's pretty loose. If
it's good and if it's working, it's about like, if
it works, my husband's like that. Yes, men are like that.
I've not quite Yes, that's why I'm fucking tired.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
But if I get on the other side of the line,
it's like, ooh that that woman was like a little
nasty about her husband in a way that made me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
And it's the same thing with my mom.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
She kind of like she knows the show is happening
because I need something from her for a little flourish
at the end.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And that was an excruciating how did you pitch it?
You much? Did you say? I wonder about his shirt
about you?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I so, I've had this idea for a while and
I was like, but I'm not gonna like, it's not
gonna be go time until it's go time. So she
was here a few weeks ago and I said to Jeff,
I was like, I got to talk to my mom
about this.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, And like Jeff is really good with her, Like
he speaks her language in some ways, and like if
she's making me go crazy, he can get in and
be like, I think your mom actually feels like, you know,
we can sort of mediate between us. So I was like,
I want to talk to you about something. Everyone's healthy,
nothing's bad. I'm not angry at you, which is like
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what she needs to know is like is anyone dying
or are you going to stop speaking to me? These
are her questions.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And I was like, so, I'm working on the show
and it's kind of about our relationship, and you know,
so first people are very flatter, and then it's like,
do you remember when you were in a mass shooting?
So like there's actually something like a little bit funny.
I thought, in the you're the shooting, you know, and
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then we're sort of you know, and she was like,
is it mean? And I said, well, you know, and
my thing was like, look, I don't wanna I don't
want to not be honest with you. What I will
say is it has to work, so it kind of
can't be mean or it doesn't work. But you know,
if you saw it, I'm sure you'd be shouting at
(31:26):
the stage about what an unfair, one sided presentation. It
is of a million different you know, little bits and
pieces of like not even my relationship with her, but
like stuff with her and my dad, and you know,
she's like a real bully to him, and I'm trying
to make that fun, you know, which is like an
ARC type of like the domineering wife and the meek
(31:47):
little husband.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
And so we'll see.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And what did she say when you when you said this,
it was she.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
You know, she weir?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Did I mean?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It was an hour long? I got so tired. I
had to lie down, Like I was so emotionally exhausted,
I had to like lay down on the sofa, and
I was like, I'm really sorry at your being incredible,
I said to my mom. I was like, you're being
really patient. I think there's a real generosity. You're not
doing anything wrong, you're not asking any but I am
physically so tired by this. I just I literally need
(32:17):
to like like like calm for a second, you know.
So her big takeaway was that she felt connected to me.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I think, like I think that I can find talking
to my mom about stuff like I talked to my mom, But.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
If I had a crisis in my marriage or I
wouldn't go, I wouldn't go to her.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And I think that makes her really sad. I talked
to her. I love her. I think she's a fantastic
person and a you know, she's.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Great, but that's not like the dynamic we've wound up with,
and I think that's hurtful for her. And so I
think whenever like we're really talking, I think she feels
really close to me and that brings her joy.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
So that's I think the big sort of arc we
went on across like an hour and a half.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
That's very nice. That's very nice. You know something that's interesting.
Maybe you notice you probably do because you're into this
sort of stuff. David Chase when he wrote The Sopranos,
have you seen the Sopranos you're a scribe?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Well, I mean yeah, yeah, many many times.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
So Livia his mum. Tony Sprano's mom is David Chase's mum.
And he was worried when he wrote it. He was like, God,
my mum is such a fucking nightmare, such a monster,
and I've put her on screen and it's going to
destroy her and everyone's gonna And he almost thought it
would be the reason people wouldn't like the show is
(33:41):
the Mum's unbearable, and he said, And season one came
out and hundreds of people came out to him and said,
Livia's the funniest character. I love her. So I love
the mom. I love the mom.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And he was like, what, And moms are horrible? And
I think and I say that as one and I
think that you know, a point I'm trying to arrive
at by the end is it's kind the kind of
the job, you know, Like I have zero and I
(34:11):
mean zero envy and I'm.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
An envious person. I get jealous easy. I don't like
it in myself. It's a journey I'm working on that.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I have zero jealousy of people who just delight in
their moms, because I think they were raised to delight
in their moms, and that's a weakness in the mom.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
There's like a cell guy, I can go on, I
can go on, I can go on. And my mother
is also really fucking selfish. I'm not saying, you know,
but I just I never go, God, you and your
mom have a beautiful thing. No, I go, yeah, yeah,
you got a beautiful thing with your mom. But that's
because she and your dad have this shit going on.
So the men that you selected, Da Da da luda,
it's like this.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
You know, crazy moms are fine and it's good to
talk about them, is my feeling, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
We've been talking about forty minutes and I've forgotten to
tell you something, and it's fucking bad.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I haven't that. I haven't brought this up.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Now we've been I should just say it. You well,
I say it. You've died. You're dead, see you have
any of this.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I'm dead is my mother already dead.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
It's up to you.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Oh yes, we don't want me. She doesn't want that.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, so I'm dead and so yeah, fine, how did
you die?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I died? I thought about this so many times, and
not just in advance of this podcast. I died by
beautiful lake in America. Growing up, there was something. I mean,
it probably is still there. But there's country time lemonade.
I don't know if you know about country time lemonade.
Oh my god, Brett. Picture the nineteen eighties in America. Okay, okay,
(35:47):
like your suburban girl and your life looks like the
movies because you grew up around where all the John
Hughes films were made. And yet, okay, so things are
leafy green, and you're New Lake, Michigan, and it's very idyllic,
and you're near near a beautiful lake. I've got like
a nice glass of lemonade.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
And my son and his family have been like, we're
just gonna let grandma wants to sit in the sun
while my grandchildren, my great grandchildren play around me while
I'm at the lake. And I've not been well, but
I've kept my nagging and then suddenly I breathe my
(36:30):
last gone forever?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
But what sorry, what happened? Why did you breathe last?
I must have happened.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I had a heart attack, but not like a bad one,
like yeah, but but now like a puky nummy one,
just like I feel a little. Oh, I feel weird,
cabooche out.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Okay, do you worry about death? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I do.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I'm really afraid of death. I have a friend who
is forty five does and have kids.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
She really and you know that sort of anyway, She's
very fixated on the idea that no one will watch
her die. And she lives in the States, where you
have to think about this stuff a little bit differently.
And she she was part of a class action suit
that paid her a million pounds and she's put it
all in the bank to pay for like the best
(37:23):
possible care from when she's like eighty onwards.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
And I cannot stop thinking about that level of advance planning.
She told me this like a month ago, and it's
I think about it every day.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, that's great, that's very smart. I'm with a completely
about the not having seen around.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
You know what, I think. I was walking to a
gig and I walked past.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I've never like I don't mean watched someone die, like
sat with someone while they took their last breath. I
haven't done that. But I also haven't watched someone deteriorate. Yeah,
I've never ever had to do that.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I was walking, I like took a wrong turn getting
to a gig and suddenly sort of realized I was
like walking past an old person's home, and I saw
an old woman watching television and it was like, like
I once heard someone giving birth sound without I mean,
I've given birth, but it's different when you're in it.
(38:20):
It sounds real different to how it sounds in the films,
like and I was like, I can't believe, like it's
horrifying to listen to. And it was the same thing.
I was like, oh, we know what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
I've never really just seen a real old person really
really really alone. And I thought it's inevitable, best case scenario,
because maybe you're gonna die of cancer when you're sixty five.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
You're thinking, oh god, when I'm oh, you're gonna be
that you know, you don't know. But but I thought
that's she's probably ninety six, and it doesn't I tell myself, like,
does it matter? By then? If you have kids or not,
like because if you do, they're not going to be
with you all the time. Then you're just it's that
no matter what.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Anyway, it's just a joyful little thing that I like
to let circle around in my head. And it's been
in there more since my friend told me that she
won a million dollar class action lawsuit and was putting
it all aside to keep her death nice.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Imagine, what do you think happens after you die?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I think we're gone. I think it's I think it's
the end. I really want to hear a ghost story
that I can believe.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
So that I go.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
But I think there was nothing happening before you were here,
and there's nothing happening after you go, and you live
on in people's hearts and you try to, you know,
have love and sweetness and accountability.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
And then the end. Well, I got news for you, Sarah,
Okay Brett. There's a heaven, you fool.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
There's a heaven, and I'm in it.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah, you're in it, and and they're very happy to you,
and it's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Oh, my favorite thing is like laughter.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
It is a crazy house people laughing hysterically all the
time in a way that becomes quite disturbing. But RAA's laughing, loving, laughing.
You come in, They're all excited to see you. They
wonn't know about your life, but they wonn't know about
your life through film. Yes, And they first thing they
ask you, what is the film you first remember seeing?
Sarah Barrions The.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Film I first remember seeing is a chorus line. The
version that came out I'm going to call it eighty
four eighty five, starring Michael Douglas, the only name in
the film in the role of Zack.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
The director. And my mother took me to see it
at Old Orchard Cinema. And you know, I will assume
you haven't seen the film.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I have seen a chorus line?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Okay, so you might remember.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
I mean, I don't know if you've, like me, seen
it probably forty seven times, but you know it opens
on the streets.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Of New York and they're bustling, they're hustling the dance bag,
you know, And I thought, I mean, I just did
that for you.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
I gave myself shills and I looked at that when
I was five years old or six years old and
I went, I.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Don't know what that is, but gimme a piece of
the action.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I mean, and I'm forty five years old, and I
still feel exactly the same way, like whatever that is,
there is no greater pinnacle, there is no more intense
center of the TUTSI pop.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Like it is it?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
What I Did for Love is one of the great,
great great songs about anything. It's great.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
What did you do for the art that you love? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
It is?
Speaker 4 (41:56):
It is.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
You know, it hasn't aged particularly well, but you know,
Or what I actually learned is like people hated the
film and thought it was this like real butchering of
the Broadway show.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
But I just think it's like, it's about sweet that
your mom took you.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
She's saying, yeah, she comes up, she comes up.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Tell me, what's the film that scared you the most?
Do you like being scared?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah? I do. I do like to be scared. Did
you see Saint Maud.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Fucking love Saint Wodew?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I mean, I thought that that was the last thing
I watched, or I was like, this is astonishing and
grotesque and perfect, and I loved it. And I really
like scary films and I love Halloween in October and like,
I will never work on Halloween. And I've got like
I did a corporate once where I got it was
(42:55):
like for UK Housewares International Celebrate, you know whatever it was.
So there were all these like La Crusee nominees and
I was sort of kept saying to them that they
should send me this one thing that's like it costs
three hundred pounds and it looks like a pumpkin, but
it's like La Cruse cast real dish, and I was
can you not picture it?
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I just don't know what La Crusee is.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Goldine, you're like a Hollywood man now and you don't
know La Cruze. Are you kidding? But this is the
world you're in now. You need to like because people
are going to talk to you. You go to award things.
You need to know Lu Crusee. Now this is the world.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Okay, it's very fancy homeware and the life that I
project on you has the Cruisee.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
There's like an La flat.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
That you hope that you have soon in silver Lake
and there's like La Crusee in your Silverweight flat and
it's a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
What am I doing with this Homeway?
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Well, you're not going to do anything with it because
of your stuff. But there'll be like there's like days
where you.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Do like personal time where you're like, hollyo, it stops
today and today like whatever. You know, you have to
make decisions on stuff to do with your personal life,
but you cook with it.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
So I'm not going to in and out drive. I'm
staying in with my Lac Cruse in like.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Ten fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
So this is the moment where you hear what it
is and then when you're like, however old, you'll be like,
that's so funny.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I remember Sarah Baron and being like, what's La Cruise?
Speaker 1 (44:26):
And now look at meurger in the cruises in my
La crusee three hundred pounds whatever.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Anyway, I love autumn so much that I was like,
you guys should give me one of these things.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
For free, and they did so every Halloween I cook
in my La Crusee. I watch a film and my
husband found Saint Maude so disturbing he had to leave
the room.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
But the first film that really fucked, like you know,
I was like, okay, let me hit this with a
straight bat. What was the first one that scared me
the It was the nineteen eighties film Lucas. Oh. I
think Corey Haim played Lucas. Charlie Sheen was in it.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
As a kind like as a kind jock, and I
think there was like an actress in the eighties named
maybe Carrie Green when Nona Ryder was in it, and
it's like about a little nerdy boy, and it was
like there was an unlocking in my brain.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I couldn't sleep. Like my parents say they remember me,
like my mom coming home and my my dad says
he remembers watching me and my mom coming in from
the like walking up the driveway with me just hysterical
and my mom behind me going, you know, like I, yeah, yeah,
(45:45):
what have we done? I remember my parents having to
sit up with me while I sobbed.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
It was my first time feeling like there was poison
in my brain, you know, like some poison gets in
and you're like, what I would do to want to do.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
This visual or what?
Speaker 4 (46:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
There's a way that I've heard I never watched Requiem
for a Dream because I got too scared of what
people said about it. And it was the way that
people talk about Requiem for a Dream in two thousand
and two.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Is I was like, it's how I felt about Lucas.
Everyone is saying my Lucas feeling, and it was something
about watching this little boy like get mocked was the
scariest thing to this date I have ever borne witness too.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
What's a unique answer, heartbreaking answer, sir? What is the film?
Speaking of heartbreaking, what's the film that made you cry
the most? If not Lucas? Do you cry a lot?
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Well, Lucas as well as a young person beaches, like
I cry at films. I mean, I just sort of
I stopped. I'm trying to think of like slightly more
interesting things. I'm not going to tell you up or whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Inside Out, but like, although yes and yes, fuck have
you seen Inside Out too yet? I have?
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I think it's excellent me too, love to.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
That was a lot to deal with, But the one
that was really hard for me was Sideways when Paul
Giamati at the towards the end, like takes that bottle
and like lonely people not gonna It's not workable for me.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
This brings us back to the old lady, what's in
the TV? You don't like people on their own?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
I don't like people on their own, but I also,
like my husband would tell you if I don't enjoy caretaking.
So there's a real you know, I just I really
the film. What was the name of the film. It's
set in Glasgow with Jesse Buckley about dumb I So
I remember just loving that film, and I was like,
(47:52):
should we rewatch? My husband's like okay, and I was like,
I don't. I can't watch those kids waiting for her
when they think they're going out for pizza.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Nope, I won't watch this. I will not watch a
sad child, and I will not watch us sad. I
can Interestingly, I can handle sad old women. I can't
handle sad men can't do it, can't do it?
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Why because women? This is bad?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
It's like again, real, real, real gender gender generalizations. But
like pretty much women aren't as lonely pretty much they're
not and men are.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Oh yeah, what's the film that you you love? Critics
don't like it. It's not it's not a beloved film,
but you love it very much.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Indeed, if Magic Mike is happening, I'm going on opening deck.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
So the first Magic Mike film. No, Soderbergh didn't know
what he was doing. He wasn't sure, I see what
he was going for.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
I really respect it. And then they went, let's give
these people what they want with Double XL.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
It is such a fine film. I went to see
Last Dance. I said to my friends, I said, you,
I had been through a thing.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
They were like, what can we do?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
And I was like, can we go together in his
seat Magic Mike last day?
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Because Jeff wasn't gonna go, and like, I don't want
to be like an old lady going to see Magic Mike.
I'm on my own, so we went. I just I
have so much time for Channing Tatum. I think he's
like one of the most fascinating stars in all of Hollywood.
I think he's a fucking phenomenal actor. And I think
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it was just like Last Dance, not quite as much,
but Double XCEL. They just went, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
Let's do an on the road, Buddy flickat Sense of Humor,
great stock characters, Jada Pinkett Smith, She's if Jada PingER
Smith is doing an interview, I am listening because she's
crazy and she brings all of her insanity.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
When she went on off menu, I.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Was like, well, I'll be listening to this one it was.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
You know, she's just fascinating. She's incredible in this role.
It is genius casting.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
I'll tell you right now. It's possible. Then when we're
talking about which one's going in my coffin, it might
be that one, because it is there's so much joy
in that film, so.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Much lovely answer. On the other hand, what is a
film that you used to love but you've watched it
recently and you've thought, oh, I don't know this anymore.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
The very, so very truthfully, I really struggled with this
because I think nostalgia is not such a strong feeling
for me.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
When I was watching Inside Out Too, I was like,
oh my god, I can't wait for Inside up through
when we could really see nostalgia at play. Like I
sometimes think my whole body is just a block of nostalgia.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
So you know, if I loved it, then I love
it now. But what I really makes me sad is
when I go back. So I was thinking about like
Crocodile Dundee.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Was a film I loved.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
That's a really good answer, But then you.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Go back and aside from like a million ways and
it's like, oh, insane, horrible. I'm sure of a racist film.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
I really despise unacknowledged age gaps. So if we're gonna
look at a man who's twenty five years older than
the woman, he's fucking cool.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
That happens. Let's explore it, let's talk about it, but
don't present it like it's not happening, Like it's not
I shouldn't just have to watch a fifty year old
with a twenty five year old, because what a twenty
five year old lady really wants is some like fifty
five year old en peen, you know.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
So that grossed me out when I like there was
some rewatching and I was like, oh oh, Also like
I'll tell you this without you know, wading into waters
that are to something or other.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I for my wedding, we thought it was a small wedding,
and we thought, let's actually watch a film with our
guests instead of dancing, Like Jeff hates dancing. I love dancing,
but I like dancing like at someone else's wedding, like
no one. It's like I need to not be the
center of attention. No, no, no, But then I want
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to become the center of attention. So it's like, who's
that guy's go for? Wait, that girl can do. It's
not like the bride is not not so.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Jeff was like, we've only got like forty guests, and
let's like rent this little thing and I'll watch a
film together.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
What would feel right? And we got married in England
and New York is my place, my place, so it
was like, how do we And I was like, let's
get a real New York. I mean, I'm so embarrassed
telling you this.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
But the film we picked without doing as much research
so we should have done.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
And this was a long time ago, was Manhattan. I
don't know when you last watched it. And you know,
I will say for myself, I believe in gray areas,
you know, but I also and I can also kind
of do some art artists separation stuff.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, I mean it was real uncomfortable. It was it
was like the worst choice at our wedding. So actually,
upon reflection, let's go with Manhattan.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
It's such a funny thing to watch at your wedding.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
Okay, do you know what, Let's actually let's go do
the dancing. Let's do the dancing instead. It was so embarrassing,
well done. What is the film that means the most
to you? Not necessarily the film itself is good, but
the experience you had around seeing the film will always
make it special to you.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Sarah Baron, please, in.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
A way, I think it's pulp fiction, and the reason
for that is I feel that some of like the
inside the poll within. For me, one of many is
like I am someone who wants so bad to be cool,
like I want to be one of the cool kids desperately,
(54:12):
but I am I am fundamentally quite uncool. And pulp
fiction was the first cool thing, the right It was
the first time I ever loved the right thing to love,
and that really meant something to me.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
As it happened.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
I wasn't like a girl performing that she thinks radio
had is like so amazing, Like I'm like, no, I
like love Neirvanah. I'm like, no, I don't love Neirvanah.
I'm like busy listening to like musical theater. You know.
I was always that and really wanting to be other.
And that was when I felt like, nah, I'm a
cool bit. Oh yeah, fiction for the tenth time. Excellent, excellent,
(54:58):
great movie holds up nicely? What about it? Do you
not think holds up?
Speaker 1 (55:03):
That's some uh tricky race stuff in it. Oh yes,
but other than that, that's great.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
I was thinking about that that what you said, and
I thought you were sort of like I was thinking
about that question a different way.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
Yes, of course, yep, so great. What is the film
you most relate to?
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I have never related to a film in my life.
I don't think like I know that's a weird way
of but I was trying to think about a character
when I'm like, that's me. So then where I got
to was when I started doing sixteen Candles rewatch, I'd
be like, oh, I'm Joan Cusack.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
That's who I am. I'm Joan Cusack. I'm right, No, Brett.
She's fucking awesome. She is funny, she has a healthy
personal life.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
But she's not cool. But she's awesome, you know.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
So it's not like I watch School of Rock and go, oh,
I'm the or oh, but I'm just like, I am
Joan Cusack, and.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
I understand this all myself. So if she's in a film, yeah,
I then understand myself a little bit better. So you know,
like if you ever like looked at a picture of
yourself to try to understand what you look like, you know,
because you're like, I know, it's not quite what the
mirror is telling me, So what the fuck do I
look like? And then you like look at a photo
or something and I feel like, who am I? How
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do we come across to people? We watch? Joan Cusack? Okay, Okay,
there we are.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
That's very very Stu again, Stu, what is the sexiest
film you've ever seen?
Speaker 2 (56:48):
Sarah Barry sexiest time I've ever seen? What's a film
that I went to see when I was like seventeen,
called Female Versions and it was starring till To Swinton.
It was the first time I ever saw till To
Swinton and there's like a sex scene between these two women.
(57:11):
What I now understand at forty five is it was
female gays. We didn't have that language then I didn't
understand what I was watching. But I left the I'm
not kidding, I am not kidding. I am not kidding.
I left the film with the understanding that I was
a lesbian like I And then I tried. I tried
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multiple times to come out to people I was. And
you know, it was the nineties. My best friend was gay,
but I didn't.
Speaker 4 (57:42):
I was.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
You know, I felt all this shame as a lesbian
and so I like came out to some gay friends
of mine and I was like, I'm gay and they're like,
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm sure you're
not gay. And I know I'm not to say, like,
you're not gay, you are?
Speaker 1 (57:57):
You know.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
It wasn't like just like watching you know. I mean,
so it was, and now you know, it was because what.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
It was trying to get at was how women experience
pleasure and all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
And I've you know, it has been on my to
do list forever to rewatch it.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
And I never had bunny for a person to come
out and everyone to keep pushing them back in.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
You you're not, you're not, you're not you know, and
then you're not the one.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
And then once like I went with some you know,
I have had quite a few examples, and you know,
mostly because at the time, like now I feel like,
can I just please have a fucking female friend who
isn't gay?
Speaker 2 (58:48):
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (58:50):
You know?
Speaker 4 (58:51):
You go?
Speaker 3 (58:51):
I like, I remember, I was like, how come I
only have a couple of friends. I need some single friends.
But at the time I only had gay male friends,
and all of them told me that I wasn't gay,
And I've subsequently told this too many gay female friends
and they just laugh and explain that I'm, you know,
probably bisexual, but aren't we all.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
There's a sub category to this question, Traveling Bonn is
worrying why Dunes film you found arousing? You weren't sure
you should? What's that Sarah about it?
Speaker 2 (59:19):
I found McCauley Culkin in home alone. I wanted it,
and I knew there was something wrong with wanting it. Now.
Speaker 3 (59:32):
I wasn't like twenty when it came out. I was
I think, I'm like a year or two. I might
be two years older than Macaulay Culkin. And so if
he was like seven, I was nine or you know,
it was something sort of like that. But I liked
the cut of his jip or whatever people say, and
I knew, but you know, seven and not like that's
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so two years at that age is like gandal And
there was something about like that. I'm you wasn't like,
wasn't appropriate for me at that whatever age I would
have been.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Maybe I was like ten.
Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
I mean, I don't know, but I was like, it's wrong,
it's wrong that I want this child in the way
that I want this child and I wanted them.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Do you know what it is?
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I think I have some shit with blonde guys. I
always tell I think I like the Song of my
Heart is like a surfer boy or some some like blonde.
I my mind doesn't want it, but somewhere deep inside
there is a recurrent theme here. I will just tell
you that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Okay, that's really fascinating. But Jeff isn't blunt.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
No, I haven't you know. I've dated a couple of
those guys, and you know it's never. We're never.
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I've never felt like an intellectual connection to a blonde man.
Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I am blonde people.
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I'm just saying I've never been like, oh here's a
vibe ever ever?
Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Not once.
Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
But I'm just saying, I think, like, give me a guy,
give me a California boys are something I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
My husband is a nerdy ginger.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Objectively, what's the greatest film, if ever seen?
Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Objectively? The greatest film I have ever seen is Mulholland Drive. Ah, Yeah,
there's nothing better. I don't I don't know what to
tell you like it is number one. It is incredible.
Assuming you are also a fan, which of course you are.
There is a dry cleaners if you get out of
Embankment tube station.
Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Mm hmmm, been there many times, of course. You know
what's your favorite? Actually, my favorite in Banget stage, my
favorite station. You can walk over the bridge, you can
walk back. It's there, it's right, it's perfect bank the station,
best station, ream good size in and out, not the
(01:01:57):
dream station.
Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Breaking news from listen to me until I said a makement,
you went holy shit. Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
So you're coming into Embankment. If you go out, if
you turn to your right, you're gonna make the right.
You turn right, you go to the river, you turn left.
You're heading up towards Charing Cross Road. Yeah yeah, okay,
so you're heading left towards Charing Cross Road. But then
instead of walking up that little sort of you're gonna
(01:02:27):
you're gonna take a hard left. So you're walking under
like a bridge.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah okay.
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
So you're under the bridge.
Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Next to the news agent where you buy your nuts.
There is a dry cleaner all in wood paneling, and
it is Mulholland drive.
Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Look out for it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Because you'll never notice it, and then one day you'll
be like, oh, this is a fucking setting for a
David Lynch film.
Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
It's fabulous. I think, you know, it is the most
incredible film. It is about Hollywood. It is.
Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
It is really kind of hard to find a film
or anything where acting doesn't hit a bum note, Like
being incredible actor is really hard. I think, I say,
this is someone who loves watching film and television, and
there's not a bum note in that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
It is so fucking believable while being so bizarre. You
have to think about it so hard.
Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
It is the most glorious, intricate and then simple expression
of an idea.
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I fucking love that film in my dream version of
my life. I watch it every year. I pick a
day and it's my mal Holland drive day.
Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
I love that. I love that. Well, you get no
argument for me. I love that film.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
It's not a controversial choice for like a phenomenal film.
Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Well not, you know, I can there are people that
would not enjoy that, and I get it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Oh, let me say I respect someone. If you say
I don't like it, I'd be like, oh, so fair.
But if you say it's not good, that's what I
would take issue with.
Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Get out, get the sequence. The thing about acting, there's
the amazing sequence where she goes in to do the
audition with the creepy guy, and that she's an incredible
in that fil Naomi Watts is etordinary. Anyway, what is
the film you could or have? What's the most over
(01:04:32):
and over again?
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Ridesmaids fantastic, Girls Trip fantastic, The Bird Cage fantastic, And
then it's sort of and then as well, I will
keep on if it's on.
Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
This is a slight more off the beaten path film Sisters,
in which Tina Fey and Amy Poehler switched and played
against type, and it is a great and it doesn't
get quite the credit that A Girl's Tripper a Bridesmaid's gets,
But I am telling you you just like, if as
(01:05:09):
long as Amy Pohlar has something okay to work with,
you will see one of the most extraordinary performances of
all time, like maybe the greatest comic performer.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I have ever watched in my life.
Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Keeping in mind, you know, Melissa McCarthy and Kristino and
all these others, we were like, where are the other ones?
I was like, that's the good A second I heard saying,
there's this consistency doesn't matter. What the fuck you give
Amy Pohler, it doesn't matter. She will go and do
something crazy with it.
Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Oh, I love her.
Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
My mom took my brother and me to New York
City in nineteen ninety two and we saw him in
a broad as Nathan Lane in a Broadway revival of
Guys and Dolls. And it was one of the greatest
physical experiences of my life was getting to set in
that audience.
Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
It was He's in that film, I mean, the bird
Cage with I mean, it's it's just.
Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
That he's like a he's a bad mom. He's a
bad narcissistic man, but he also.
Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Loves him so much. He just loves his little boy
so much. But I mean Geene Hackman in that film,
I mean that when he's talking about the leaves changing
and driving and dieting. I mean, you know it is
it's extra like this is the one actually as we're
talking where I'm like, if you were allowed with this
(01:06:39):
podcast to like say to your guest that what they
had to do was at the end they had to
set aside two hours and watch one of the like
whatever they were the most moved, I'd be like, that's
what I do. I'd go downstairs right now, and I'd
be like, watch the bird Cage again, right now. It
is so joyful and good.
Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
What's the west film you've ever seen?
Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Oh? You know what?
Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
I fucking hated. I couldn't remember. I block films that
I did filled me with rage. God help the girl.
That film, by the like, some member of Belle and
Sebastian made a film okay in twenty fourteen, and what
I felt I was watching was a bunch of cameras
on an emaciated teenager that was being objectified by like
(01:07:22):
old men.
Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
And I hated it. And it was like eating disorders.
Oh what interesting girls have I've got mental health? It
was like fuck you fuck y' okay. I don't like
when people do that.
Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
What's the film you're incomedian, what's the film that made
you laugh?
Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
The Moist, Bridesmaids?
Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
It's a fucking banger.
Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
It's just it's it's crazy. It's a crazy film. It's
it's you know. I am a succession obsessive. And I
loved the thinking about why that show was so amazing.
It was like a fun place for me to take
my hat. I love to think about excellence. Brett and
(01:08:08):
I've been like why the sopranos, Why why? And I
think Bridesmaids needs a lot of thinking about.
Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Yeah, I'm not a filmmaker. I don't direct, I don't
you know. But I love having shit like that explained
to me. And it's the script. It's there's no flab.
Every look someone does is infused with comic excellence.
Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Yeah, I agreed, Sarah Baron, you have been wonderful as expected. However,
when you were sat at this lake with your grandkids
and your great grand kids and your great great grandkids,
and you were sat there and you've been ill actually,
which is a sort of weird thing to wishing yourself,
but not mentally but physically, you've been really ill for
quite some time. And then you were sat in this
deck chair and then your hearts went, oh god, it
(01:09:01):
wasn't the worst heart attack that seek happened, but it
was still the heart attack. And everyone was like swimming shit. Anyway,
you died, and I was walking past with the coffin,
you know what I'm like, And I goes, anyway, is
anyone noticed your great grandma's been a bit still? And
they're like, ah fuck, And I say, come on, let's
get her in the coffin, but you had grown in
(01:09:22):
the heat and some we couldn't fit in the coffin,
so we had to chop you up. I said, kids,
get kids, get a load of actses. We've got a
load of as put you all in the in the coffin,
stuffy and stuffy and stuff. There's no room in this coffin.
There's only enough room in this coffin to slip one
DVD into the side for you to take across to
the other side. And when you get there, it's movie
night every night. What film are you taking to show
the people in heaven when it is your movie night?
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Sarah Baron, go.
Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Okay, I think I'm going to go with the bird Cage.
Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Because I think that, as I said to you as
we were talking, it was the one where I went, gosh,
ready to go sit down right now, that's what it
would be. And it's excellent and it still reminds me
of being young and everything the great wide world about
to open up before you. And another Dirk secret is
I kind of like Miami Beach and there we go.
Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
It's great. I love my own beach. So, Sarah Baron,
thank you for doing this. Tell us what we should
look out for and listen to in the coming months.
Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Look out for I'm at the Edinburgh French Festival. Please
give me a big packed room. Listen to me rage
about my mom? Are my anger problems mine or hers?
Come be part of the festivities. Also, I know Brett
talks about film. I talk about television. I do a
television podcast with my husband Jeff. We work together, which
is to be admired but also pitied. Our podcast is
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about trying to find excellence. There's so much TV out there, Brett,
but you don't have time to wade through it. You
like good shit. You only want to watch good shit.
My podcast they like to watch.
Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
And I'll tell you right now the television shows are
The Trojan Horse and a Marital Dynamic sits inside.
Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
The end.
Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Thank you very much, Sarah. I hope you have a
wonderful time in Edinburgh and that every night it's a
packed night, and that people love your show and you
enjoy it and you have perspective and mental health and
have a wonderful time.
Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Thank you for doing this, Thank you for having me Brat.
It was really nice to see you have a good death.
Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
It was lovely to see you good day to you, Sarah.
So that was episode three hundred and nine at Over
to the Patreon at patreon dot com. Forward slash Prett
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Go to Apple Podcast give us a five star rating.
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appreciate it. Thank you very much. I hope you're all well.
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Thank you to Sarah for giving me a time. Thanks
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Peace for producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia and miil Ferareh's
Big Money Players Network for hosting it. Thanks to Adam
Richardson for the graphics at least Alight them for the photography.
Come join me next week for another excellent guest. Thank
you all for listening. I really appreciate it. That is
it for now. In the meantime, have a lovely week,
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and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each other.
Okay, who is sure only films to be buried with? Hello,
and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer,
a director, a drum kit, and I love films. As
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Natalie Babbitt once said, like all magnificent things, it's all
very simple. My Holland Driver is about destructive love for
an ex. Yeah, I get it. Every week I own
a special guest over. I tell them they've died, then
I get them to discuss their life through the films
that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins,
Amber Ruffin, Mark Frost, Sharon Stone, and even Bed Campbell's.
(00:43):
But this week it's the brilliant comedian, writer, and a
podcaster Sarah Barron. Head over to the Patreon at patreon
dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you get extra
stuff for all the episodes, including a secret. You also
get the whole thing uncut, adfree and does a video.
Check it all out over at Patreon dot com forward
slash break Goldstein. Sarah Baron is a brilliant comedian about
to do her new show Anything for You at the
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Monkey Barrel at the Edinburgh Fringe every afternoon for the
month of August. We recorded this very recently on zoom
and we talked so much that we actually ran out
of time, so I'm sorry for the short patron section.
But we did as much as we could in the
time that she had, which was a long time, but
we just talked too much. But anyway, we got deep.
It was really lovely and I really think you're going
to love this one. I hope you're all well, that
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is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy
episode three hundred and nine of Films to be Buried With. Hello,
and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is
I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by an actor,
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a writer, a successioneerer, a podcaster, a legend, a comedian,
a live at the Apollo, a Brady, a feasta, an
Edinburgh Fringe hero, a person, a wife, a human and
(02:10):
a book writer at least. Please welcome to the show.
Could you believe she's here? She really is? It's a barrage.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Oh, it's only me, do you know? Do you know
what I've Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
No, no, I don't think I'm an actor. But then
I did do one acting job. I majored in it, Brett.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
What but your your acting trajectory has gone very differently
to mine.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
What was your one job?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I got hired and I think it was and I
think it qualifies as an acting job. Not a voiceover artist, John,
But it was a it was a voiceover acting thing
that was something about like it was a it was
an advert for Wendy's in the UK.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's an acting job. Wow, that's an acting job.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
But it was supposed to sound it was supposed to
be a spoof of like a true crime podcast. So
I played a true crime podcast hosts audio only they
were laughing so hard at me, Brett one time, and
I did, well, no, I just want you to know
that I you know, I got the chance, and.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, she took it. What was the crime? This seems
like such a risky advert for Wendy's. Was the crime?
The burgers are too good?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I mean, here's the pitch, you're it's burger murders. So
the idea is stop murdering burgers like all the other
places murder burgers, and Wendy's honors a burger. But then
I think it turned out there was like a bunch
of murders to do with burgers somehow, and so then.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
They had to like like rebrand the thing. I was like,
I don't care. I'm getting paid for another day like
the real I was like, oh, I think I just
celebrated that people got murdered because I'm like, we have
to do another day. Great, like another.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Feat, another Wendy has been murdered. This is great for me.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Another burger got murdered. So that was That was my
one fora.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Insane an insane idea for an advert. But I'm proud
of you.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
These things are so sorry. This is my problem.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I have so many questions I want to ask for you,
but I will accept that this is not the format.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
What was your question you would want to ask?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Too big.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I think they were too big, you know. It wasn't
like a small thing.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I don't think I got to I got two big
questions for you. When is you're about to do Edinburgh again? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
For how show? What number show is this? So?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
This is number four? How many have you done? How
many did you do?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I did Edinburgh eleven times? I did within that time,
you know, because I did sorts of compilationships and I
did plays, but I did four hours in Edinburgh.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I think, okay, this will be four for me and
I you know, I always think if if I listened
to someone talk about Edinburgh before I myself had participated
in it, and people chocolate, it's this, it's this, it's heart,
people go into debt, You'd be like, why is this
so hard? Like it's a gorgeous city. You're working for
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an hour a day, you your you know, stand up
is a job that can involve a lot of travel.
You're not travel like your friends are around. What why
isn't it kind of summer camp?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And then what I say to people is, here's why
it's not summer camp. Okay, I want you to imagine
that for a month. We know, Brett, We're be honest.
These are too emotionally astute people talking to each other.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Okay, I bet.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
We're both so mach sure, so open. We know the lingo,
we know what's going on. We therefore understand that two
keys to mental health are Number one, perspective. Having perspective
is the way you stay healthy in your brain. We
also know that the road to ruin is comparison. You
do well when you stay in your lane, baby, you
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do your thing.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
When you are up in Edinburgh, it is in incessant
comparison married with a complete lack of perspective. And I
say to my friends, imagine if for one month you
had to hear every single thing that was set about
you behind your back. Oh my god, that's what I
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kind of think it is.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Or or confront the fact guess what no one's saying
anything because no one gives a shit about you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And you go up and you decide you're going to
live to fight another day, and you sort of go
up and you know you will know of course that
like you usually you learn the story of what your
Edinburgh would be across the first week and a half
and then you kind of learn maybe like no good
story here, and then for another two and a half
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weeks you kind of have to continue to do it.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So that's why it's hard.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
And I like to always offer that up because before
I as a stand up comic, and I listened to
stand up comics like people with their fucking these people
need to grow up their no no no, and I'm like,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I have felt that myself but that is why it
could be tough.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
The perspective thing I think is very astute in that
it is like your sort of truck. It's probably the
closest you get to being on Love Island or something,
because there is no way of escaping it. So for
you could just say, because I've fucking tried, I've tried.
I'll go to the gym every day, I'll go for
a swim. I'm going to go. I'm going to leave,
going to walk outside of the festival and be in
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the real world. It doesn't exist. You can't escape it.
You're in this bubble where it's quite a big bubb
it's quite hard to leave that bubble. You can't.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
There is trying, there's physically no And you will say
I will say, like, I don't need any convincing to
not read reviews.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I have never read a review of myself in my life.
I never will and now you don't have to convince me.
I don't read reviews of other comics.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I feel like it's it violates that, Like I I
it feels really disgusting if I do that, And so
that's easy for me. But then I'll also be like,
I'm going to really try and stay off social media.
So when I feel the little itch, don't do it,
go here. You'll bring up these books.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
But even if you do all that, you still have
to walk down the road and there's some person who's
one of your triggers, and they're getting eight stars left
and right, and you think, number one, you're a bad person.
Number two, you're a mediocre common you know, you just
and then you're thinking, but what do I care? Why
does that care? I added, you know, it's all this
kind of stuff. Did you ever read the Bruce Springsteen
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autobiography Born to Run?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I did not.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I think it's fair to say we know each other
a bit. Yes, yeah, we don't hang out one on one,
but we run. We read it before, you know, you
were always away doing things.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I think we know each other a bit. I think
I do know. You all have to know that. I
think you would absolutely love his book.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Oh I love I am sure I would. I'm going
to write it down right.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Now, write it down, baby, We all love Springsteen. Come on.
But it is an extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Tone about I hate to say this, I hear myself
as I say it, about art and about being someone
who's trying to make something, and about getting older and
making things, and you know, he talks about like these
sort of mental jiu jitsu games you play to convince
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yourself that this time will be different, that I can
do it, I can, you know whatever, And it's really anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I think you'd love it, and I think you should
read it.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I would say this about Edinburgh. It's funny. You're right.
I hadn't sort of put it in that context, but like, yes,
it sounds insane, as in, it sounds anyone complaining about Edinburgh,
Like what a fuck you complain about you? You went
to an arts festival for a month, and yeah, you know,
I mean, like, it sounds insane, and I do think
it's incredibly It's a really hard cyclogy. The performance part
(10:02):
of it is the easiest part of it, and that's hard. However,
my point is this, I think I really mean this.
I think Edinburgh taught me everything I needed to navigate
the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Generally think tell me more, tell me more, tell me more,
Tommy more.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Like. Weirdly, I hate to compare these and I'm always
I'm wired that people will be like, it's not of course,
it's not the same. I've interviewed two three people on
this podcast who did SNL, who then went on to
do other things, run their own shows, have their own things,
and all of them said, I said, it's so hard
running your own show, being a showrunner, being this, being that.
(10:38):
How do you copeable? And all of them said, it's
easier than SNL. SNL was so hard and such a
sort of emotional training, but it hardened them that anything
else was easier. And I feel that way about Edinburgh.
I go, all this stuff I've done since Edinburgh is
the same, the skill set I learned of navigating people,
of navigating egos, of navigating in the madness of industry,
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all of that. Edinburgh is such a condensed version of
it that you go anywhere else it's like, yeah, I
know how all this works. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
God, that's fascinating. That is a fascinating thing to hear
and inspiring to hear.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Here's the thing I think about you. I think you
have unbelievable focus.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Can I tell you exactly what I mean by that,
because I don't mean I have no way of knowing
if you go I've got to write this script today.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And Brett sits down and he writes that script and
you have some kind of hyper focused thing and you
can get I don't know that I mean that. What
I mean is I think a lot of comedians and
maybe actors too, like jobbing artists.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
We want a distraction. I want shit to take me
away from what I would love to work on. This joke,
but someone needs to talk.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, let's get And I think you are some kind
of like zen master.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Where you I don't even mean workaholic, although you're because
of some of the success you've had. I'm very interesting
whether or not you are a workaholic, because I think
you kind of have to be.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
But I mean, like, definitely you're not looking for a
reason for a lunch.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
That's very funny.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Do you know what I mean that? Right about you?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Well, look, I'm very easily distracted and I procrastinate and
part of but I have made peace. One thing I've
learned is procrastination is part of the job. You have
to accept. Like the bit where you where you go,
we should go and get a coffee, we should go
get lunch. That is actually going to inform your writing,
like you have to make peace with it. Isn't sitting
(12:41):
for eight hour solid staring at your screen. That is
not no job. Sometimes the job is pacing around, fucking
going a fuck a fuck fuck yeah, talking and talking.
But when it's happening, when you do get down to
it and it's happening, I fucking love it. So that's
the I love it. And I'm running from life, you know,
(13:04):
that's the secret in it. I would rather back in
the forth, the back and the forth. How much are
you just stand up tour recently? Didn't you? Yes, I'm
still doing it.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
How are you finding it being back after getting famous
on television?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
That's what I'm curious about.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Oh well, look, I mean the really incredible difference is
that people currently want to come and see. That's the difference.
The difference is seventeen years to one hundred people and
now yeah, more people want to come, and that is amazing.
It's really really, I genuinely do not for a second
take it for granted. Like I'm like every night, I'm like, fuck,
(13:40):
this is like I moved. I find it. You're moved.
I find it moving. No, I moved.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I moved speaking to you, I moved to you. It's moving.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
You know. I've got babysitter fucking got their cars, came
out like that's amazing, amazing, they're excited, but then it
does Also the flip side is then I, well, I
guess I always would have done this, but like then
you really fucking care about putting on a good shows,
Like there's better to be fucking good. People have come out,
they spend a lot of money that they hear, they've
got their drinks, they've come in with their friends. You know. Anyway,
(14:10):
it's been great. I've really loved it, and I feel very,
very very lucky.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Okay, okay, I accept I accept that answer. He feels
gratitude everyone. He's great for everything.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Look, I'll tell you this, but then I feel embarrasseding
this because it's asking.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I want to know you've been on an interesting journey
and it's and I love talking to people about that stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I think it's really fascinating. And I will just say
really quickly, but are you going to hold your thing?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Because don't not say. The thing is that I don't
like when people who have gotten very successful after working
their fine asses off, and it's like, let's talk about that.
That's fucking fascinating.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Like four years ago, you could walk down the street
and now you kind of yet in the same way,
and that's a very rare experience. So I think it's
interesting and I like to know the feelings.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Well, you know, it's all complicated and there's lots of
things that are very bad about it, but the tour
is the tours has been amazing. And what I will
say is there was a day, maybe it was in
Houston and we did this show and normally there's like
a you know, there's a back door to get in
and out of the venue and it's sort of a
different area of the place, like a little street. But
(15:31):
in this case, when we finished the show, we got
in the car and the car had to basically just
go around the front of the venue and be in
the parking lot where the audience were. So we then
had to like sit in a queue for about half
an hour just to get out of the venue with
the audience. And it really I found it so moving.
I was like, fuck, Like it hadn't occurred to me
(15:51):
people fucking sit in a car and queue to come
to this thing, you know what I mean, Like this
is a big deal. People making such a fucking effort.
It isn't like, yeah, we just pop and see this thing.
It's like babysit a car queue, parking lot, parking ticket,
you know what I mean, Like it's such a big
commitment on their part. I was genuinely sort of I
(16:12):
just couldn't, you know, I really appreciate it. I really
was like, fuck this.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I think it reflects very well on you that getting
stuck in a que made you feel gratitude.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I should have wound that way.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Get me out of here. That's very good. That's very good.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So that's very nice. But you know, and also, but
I have the feeling of like, who knows, who knows
how how how long people may or may not want
to buy tickets, you know what I mean. So I'm
making the most of it. But it's very fine. It's
and it's an interesting sort of experience I've learned. It's different.
It's different doing stand up in a big venue with
a big stage audience. You've sort of physically it forces
(16:59):
you to change. I'm now much more physical than I
used to be. I used to just sort of stand.
Don't now and move about and I do. You have
to big act outs and it's kind of it's a
new skill and that's fine.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Anyway, it's a journey. He's on his journey.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
How did you write a fourth show? Did you have
the theme first or the jokes? What was it? Did
you have a big idea?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I had a thing happened tell me. I'm going to
tell you. It's going to spoil the surprise of the show,
but I think for your listeners perhaps it will intrigue them.
So I'm making a marketing choice in real time to
share my secret. So basically, two years ago, I got
a call from my brother informing me that my entire
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family was fine after fleeing from a mass shooting.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Okay, stay with me.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So he's like telling me this story, and I'm like,
wait what, wait what what?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
What?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It was a Fourth of July parade that they have
gone to every year since I'd been born. I grew
up going to this parade and like an active shooter
open fire at this parade. Right, She's like telling.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Me this story, and the long and short of it
is like, so he had to leave my parents there.
He had to like literally pick up his kids and run.
He left my parents to die. Fine, he has to
make his choices. So he's then like he had to
spend about fifteen minutes, thinking that my parents had been
killed possibly.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Then they show up. Everyone's fine, everyone's fine. And then
basically what was funny. What was funny to me was
as he was like telling me this story, and I
was like, wait, I you know, my mother started knocking
out the door and she's like, good eye, con did
you talk to my daughter?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And my brother was like looking down the FaceTime call
like Jesus fucking Christ. And then they leaned into the
camera and he goes, I wish i'd shut her in
the back myself.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And it was so funny. I was like he legit
thought she would be dead fifteen minutes ago, and she
had been so annoying across fifteen minutes that he's now
making a joke about wishing each shot her.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
And I was like that is And for years people
have said to me, do you do stuff about your
mom and your stand up?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
And I'm like, nah, I can never figure out what
it is. I don't like, no, I don't, but.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Okay, And I was like, oh, because what's a show
about your mom that isn't just like my mom did
one thing, she did a second thing, she did a
third And I was like, that's the show about my mom.
It like that's either a big finale or an inciting
incident to investigate my rage at my crazy fucking mom,
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you know, and people are like, oh, I'm like, no,
my mom's good, she's a good lady, but she's fucking psychotic.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So is the inciting incidant at the beginning and then
you go back or is it the end?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Well, as a man who I assume is interested in structure,
it's been all over the place.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
At first, I was like, it's.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
An end, and then it was not working, and I
was like, oh, it's an inciting incident.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It's an exciting it starts it. So then it was
at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
It was at the beginning, and then I was like, no,
it is the end. So that's a long winded way
of saying I have been on a long road to
understanding it is.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It is the end.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And the inciting incident is my husband accusing me of
being like her.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That's great, Okay, that's good. That's interesting. My head went
through the structure the ways and I was like, the
downside of it being at the beginning's great because it's exciting.
The downside is will we laugh at anything? If we
think your mom has been in a mess, it might
FuG you for an hour.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Well, all I will say is this is what we have.
I have never I have never had to work something
so hard structurally, and I'm happy.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I think I'm there a baby. I think if I
tighten a few screws, I think we're there. But I
am so in my head and I think to.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Lure people in, I'll say I think I'm performing quite
poorly at the moment.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I think I'm just a lady on stage being yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah, right, tickets coming by. I'll be great as
I try to remember the lines. But you know, I
hope I get it there. I just got to, you know,
I'll get it there. Come see it after the seventh.
I'll come see you.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
After the seventh. So that's it. Where is it on
Monkey Barrel every day at four forty five?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Oh? Perfect?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
This is what everyone's saying. But you know, I do very,
very as all or most humans. Isn't expectation everything in
the world Brett and I I need to manage mine
because everyone goes Monkey Barrel. Hello, it's the coolest of
the venues. Monkey Barrel at four forty five oh and
so I'm expecting and it's like you were saying, for
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seventeen years you played to one hundred people.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well you were like in that world, I'm not mistaken,
like mostly pre pandemic.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I think you know you did. You logged most of
your ten thousand hours pre pandemic. Whatever. The world has changed.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
So I'm now like year you know, I'm year five
into plan forty people and give me one hundred and forty,
you know what I mean. So I'm a little scarred
by small numbers and being like like I had this
in my.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Last show, the record when I say seventeen years of
one hundred people, I mean forty. Yeah, okay, American exaggerator.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
But they were getting to you, baby, They're getting to you.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
He's gotten probably.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You know, I will call it you. Yeah, there are
four people in. But I had worked up like my
favorite part of my show was what I thought was
a very funny marital blow jobs kind of bit, and
I was like, this is fucking good.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I've not heard anyone say it. It's a good observation.
It's like disgusting.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But I didn't have any big crowds. I was like,
but you because I can't be looking.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I can't be making eye contact when there are thirty
people in at a preview with some lady who's come
with her twenty year old daughter who liked me and
then brought her fifty five year old mom. And then
I'm looking at them while I'm like blowjobs. And I
was like, but let me just let me just get
it up to Edinburgh. Let me just get it up there,
because then let's cook with some gas bitches.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And then I got up there and it was like
there was no and I'd worked so hard on something,
I was so and I would like do my blow
job and they get off stage and cry, because I
was like, then what are we What are we doing
anymore if we can't say this to a room that
can cohese as a room and feel the darkness and
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feel the anonymity and work as a unit and respond
how they're supposed to my married blowjob lady stuff, you know,
but positive attitude. It's a new year, it's a new time,
it's a new venue. Only onwards and upwards, Brett, Okay,
onwards and upwards.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
And you're feeling good. The other well, the other big
question I had to ask you, I guess applies to
all of what you have said, which is you, If
we may speak about this openly, I believe you have
are married to Jeff Lloyd, who is a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful,
lovely man and also a public figure in some ways.
(24:24):
And you two do things together, and you talk about
each other in your in your public life, and you
are now doing a show where you talk about your
mum and your brother and stuff. And I wondered, how
if any difficulty there is in sort of privacy, and
you know what I mean, like, like you have any
like is your mum going to see your shows? It's
(24:45):
something you've talked about with her. There's stuff between you
and Jeff where you're like, let's not there's a limit
like this is this is the boundary where we lie.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It is on the wrong side line.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So it's sort of it's very different with those two people,
my mom and Jeff. And then also exactly the same.
So so to everyone's credit, like my mom irritates the
shit out of me, and I don't like when people
are really glowing about their mothers. It gives me the X.
I don't like that my mommy, Oh shut up, So
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I don't feel comfortable saying nice things about her.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
But a thing I will say is my mom's taste
is pretty extraordinary. So like something will be like this
will be the new thing or this, and my mom
will watch it and be like am I going crazy?
Or was this terrible?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
And I'm like, yes, it's it's terrible most people as
a snob, most people don't have the taste to know
it's fucking bad. But yeah, Mom, that's bad, and you're
smart enough that you know that's bad. So that is
all to say, I can get away with anything in
front of my mother or my husband if it's good.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And I know that's such a snotty little bit she
little eh eh way to describe it, but that's the truth.
So I'm working on.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
This bit right now about I never love this as
a pitch for it, but but but as a you know,
it's about why I think a lot of women sort
of hate their husbands. And I don't really mean hate,
but I think that the you know, to be really
binary about gendered and very heteronormative about stuff. Most married
straight women I know are really exhausted by their husbands
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in ways that I don't think husbands are exhausted by
their wives.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Interesting, Okay, real broad strokes here, obviously.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
But I'm thinking about the ten ladies that I know,
including myself.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
You're more exhausted by Jeff than Jeff is by.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You one hundred percent now and he knows that, and
we and and so I so I said to him.
But also like Jeff and I will you want the diagnosis?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Why does Jeff because he's more
laid back, Like what's the difference?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
No, no, no, no, Jeff is not fucking more late.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
But like we will say to each other, the problem
with our marriage, there's not a lay back individual in
this household. Okay, both of us are like, you'll look
at us wrong, and we're like that hurt me.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I'm hurt both of us, fucking constant, so with Jeff.
And also like Jeff helps me with my work.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Like when Jeff and I got together, he was very
successful and I wasn't. And any little bit of progress.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
That has happened professionally is one hundred percent because I
married him. It just is like his taste level is good,
he's on the like he's just good, and so he'll go, no,
that doesn't work. Why because is this a good idea? No,
that's shitty. Everything is better with him. He helps me
with everything, so of course, and I help him with nothing.
(27:45):
I yeah, so in that way, like professionally I exhaust him,
but I'm not. I'm talking about a core at the
fucking core.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And so I was like, what is this?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
What the fuck is this?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
What is this? And what it is?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
And this is circling back to the question that you
asked me, which is like, basically, I think that we
all have our emotional loads and I break mine off. Okay,
so my friend Becky is going to deal with this,
my friend Maggie is going to deal with this. A
local mom who I see a drop off.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I'm gonna go, oh fucking am I allowed to say,
my fucking I'm gonna here one for you, one for you,
take my trauma, one for you, take my trauma. Jeff goes,
here's all my trauma. Oh honey, do you want to
share it with your best friend?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
You know, the guy who you love who's very open
to talking about your trauma. Do you want to share
with him? You want to get him on on this?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
No? No, no, You'll go out with him for.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
A four hour dinner, you guys can talk about like
comics and films and music.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Come home. Oh, but all my bullshit on my wife.
And so I'm trying to do a bit about this, right,
And then there's like a punchline about like his favorite
position is feel you know, it's like a sex shock. Whatever,
thank you, it didn't go down great and Faversham last night.
I'll tell you that much. But with that, so when
you're saying, what are the lines with Jeff, Jeff all
(29:01):
this shit, his mental health stuff is go to town.
He will let me say whatever.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But what I could feel in a room was like
I have to stay on the right side of the
line with talking about what a piece not even a
piece of shit, but like it's it is about his
vulnerability in some way, right, right, So it's.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Not about what Jeff says, because he's pretty loose. If
it's good and if it's working, it's about like, if
it works, my husband's like that. Yes, men are like that.
I've not quite Yes, that's why I'm fucking tired.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
But if I get on the other side of the line,
it's like, ooh that that woman was like a little
nasty about her husband in a way that made me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
And it's the same thing with my mom.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
She kind of like she knows the show is happening
because I need something from her for a little flourish
at the end.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And that was an excruciating how did you pitch it?
You much? Did you say? I wonder about his shirt
about you?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I so, I've had this idea for a while and
I was like, but I'm not gonna like, it's not
gonna be go time until it's go time. So she
was here a few weeks ago and I said to Jeff,
I was like, I got to talk to my mom
about this.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, And like Jeff is really good with her, Like
he speaks her language in some ways, and like if
she's making me go crazy, he can get in and
be like, I think your mom actually feels like, you know,
we can sort of mediate between us. So I was like,
I want to talk to you about something. Everyone's healthy,
nothing's bad. I'm not angry at you, which is like
(30:33):
what she needs to know is like is anyone dying
or are you going to stop speaking to me? These
are her questions.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And I was like, so, I'm working on the show
and it's kind of about our relationship, and you know,
so first people are very flatter, and then it's like,
do you remember when you were in a mass shooting?
So like there's actually something like a little bit funny.
I thought, in the you're the shooting, you know, and
(31:01):
then we're sort of you know, and she was like,
is it mean? And I said, well, you know, and
my thing was like, look, I don't wanna I don't
want to not be honest with you. What I will
say is it has to work, so it kind of
can't be mean or it doesn't work. But you know,
if you saw it, I'm sure you'd be shouting at
(31:26):
the stage about what an unfair, one sided presentation. It
is of a million different you know, little bits and
pieces of like not even my relationship with her, but
like stuff with her and my dad, and you know,
she's like a real bully to him, and I'm trying
to make that fun, you know, which is like an
ARC type of like the domineering wife and the meek
(31:47):
little husband.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
And so we'll see.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And what did she say when you when you said this,
it was she.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
You know, she weir?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Did I mean?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It was an hour long? I got so tired. I
had to lie down, Like I was so emotionally exhausted,
I had to like lay down on the sofa, and
I was like, I'm really sorry at your being incredible,
I said to my mom. I was like, you're being
really patient. I think there's a real generosity. You're not
doing anything wrong, you're not asking any but I am
physically so tired by this. I just I literally need
(32:17):
to like like like calm for a second, you know.
So her big takeaway was that she felt connected to me.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I think, like I think that I can find talking
to my mom about stuff like I talked to my mom, But.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
If I had a crisis in my marriage or I
wouldn't go, I wouldn't go to her.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And I think that makes her really sad. I talked
to her. I love her. I think she's a fantastic
person and a you know, she's.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Great, but that's not like the dynamic we've wound up with,
and I think that's hurtful for her. And so I
think whenever like we're really talking, I think she feels
really close to me and that brings her joy.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
So that's I think the big sort of arc we
went on across like an hour and a half.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
That's very nice. That's very nice. You know something that's interesting.
Maybe you notice you probably do because you're into this
sort of stuff. David Chase when he wrote The Sopranos,
have you seen the Sopranos you're a scribe?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Well, I mean yeah, yeah, many many times.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
So Livia his mum. Tony Sprano's mom is David Chase's mum.
And he was worried when he wrote it. He was like, God,
my mum is such a fucking nightmare, such a monster,
and I've put her on screen and it's going to
destroy her and everyone's gonna And he almost thought it
would be the reason people wouldn't like the show is
(33:41):
the Mum's unbearable, and he said, And season one came
out and hundreds of people came out to him and said,
Livia's the funniest character. I love her. So I love
the mom. I love the mom.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And he was like, what, And moms are horrible? And
I think and I say that as one and I
think that you know, a point I'm trying to arrive
at by the end is it's kind the kind of
the job, you know, Like I have zero and I
(34:11):
mean zero envy and I'm.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
An envious person. I get jealous easy. I don't like
it in myself. It's a journey I'm working on that.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I have zero jealousy of people who just delight in
their moms, because I think they were raised to delight
in their moms, and that's a weakness in the mom.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
There's like a cell guy, I can go on, I
can go on, I can go on. And my mother
is also really fucking selfish. I'm not saying, you know,
but I just I never go, God, you and your
mom have a beautiful thing. No, I go, yeah, yeah,
you got a beautiful thing with your mom. But that's
because she and your dad have this shit going on.
So the men that you selected, Da Da da luda,
it's like this.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
You know, crazy moms are fine and it's good to
talk about them, is my feeling, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
We've been talking about forty minutes and I've forgotten to
tell you something, and it's fucking bad.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I haven't that. I haven't brought this up.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Now we've been I should just say it. You well,
I say it. You've died. You're dead, see you have
any of this.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I'm dead is my mother already dead.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
It's up to you.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Oh yes, we don't want me. She doesn't want that.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, so I'm dead and so yeah, fine, how did
you die?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I died? I thought about this so many times, and
not just in advance of this podcast. I died by
beautiful lake in America. Growing up, there was something. I mean,
it probably is still there. But there's country time lemonade.
I don't know if you know about country time lemonade.
Oh my god, Brett. Picture the nineteen eighties in America. Okay, okay,
(35:47):
like your suburban girl and your life looks like the
movies because you grew up around where all the John
Hughes films were made. And yet, okay, so things are
leafy green, and you're New Lake, Michigan, and it's very idyllic,
and you're near near a beautiful lake. I've got like
a nice glass of lemonade.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
And my son and his family have been like, we're
just gonna let grandma wants to sit in the sun
while my grandchildren, my great grandchildren play around me while
I'm at the lake. And I've not been well, but
I've kept my nagging and then suddenly I breathe my
(36:30):
last gone forever?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
But what sorry, what happened? Why did you breathe last?
I must have happened.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I had a heart attack, but not like a bad one,
like yeah, but but now like a puky nummy one,
just like I feel a little. Oh, I feel weird,
cabooche out.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Okay, do you worry about death? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I do.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I'm really afraid of death. I have a friend who
is forty five does and have kids.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
She really and you know that sort of anyway, She's
very fixated on the idea that no one will watch
her die. And she lives in the States, where you
have to think about this stuff a little bit differently.
And she she was part of a class action suit
that paid her a million pounds and she's put it
all in the bank to pay for like the best
(37:23):
possible care from when she's like eighty onwards.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
And I cannot stop thinking about that level of advance planning.
She told me this like a month ago, and it's
I think about it every day.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, that's great, that's very smart. I'm with a completely
about the not having seen around.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
You know what, I think. I was walking to a
gig and I walked past.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I've never like I don't mean watched someone die, like
sat with someone while they took their last breath. I
haven't done that. But I also haven't watched someone deteriorate. Yeah,
I've never ever had to do that.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I was walking, I like took a wrong turn getting
to a gig and suddenly sort of realized I was
like walking past an old person's home, and I saw
an old woman watching television and it was like, like
I once heard someone giving birth sound without I mean,
I've given birth, but it's different when you're in it.
(38:20):
It sounds real different to how it sounds in the films,
like and I was like, I can't believe, like it's
horrifying to listen to. And it was the same thing.
I was like, oh, we know what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
I've never really just seen a real old person really
really really alone. And I thought it's inevitable, best case scenario,
because maybe you're gonna die of cancer when you're sixty five.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
You're thinking, oh god, when I'm oh, you're gonna be
that you know, you don't know. But but I thought
that's she's probably ninety six, and it doesn't I tell myself, like,
does it matter? By then? If you have kids or not,
like because if you do, they're not going to be
with you all the time. Then you're just it's that
no matter what.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Anyway, it's just a joyful little thing that I like
to let circle around in my head. And it's been
in there more since my friend told me that she
won a million dollar class action lawsuit and was putting
it all aside to keep her death nice.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Imagine, what do you think happens after you die?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I think we're gone. I think it's I think it's
the end. I really want to hear a ghost story
that I can believe.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
So that I go.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
But I think there was nothing happening before you were here,
and there's nothing happening after you go, and you live
on in people's hearts and you try to, you know,
have love and sweetness and accountability.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
And then the end. Well, I got news for you, Sarah,
Okay Brett. There's a heaven, you fool.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
There's a heaven, and I'm in it.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah, you're in it, and and they're very happy to you,
and it's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Oh, my favorite thing is like laughter.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
It is a crazy house people laughing hysterically all the
time in a way that becomes quite disturbing. But RAA's laughing, loving, laughing.
You come in, They're all excited to see you. They
wonn't know about your life, but they wonn't know about
your life through film. Yes, And they first thing they
ask you, what is the film you first remember seeing?
Sarah Barrions The.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Film I first remember seeing is a chorus line. The
version that came out I'm going to call it eighty
four eighty five, starring Michael Douglas, the only name in
the film in the role of Zack.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
The director. And my mother took me to see it
at Old Orchard Cinema. And you know, I will assume
you haven't seen the film.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I have seen a chorus line?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Okay, so you might remember.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
I mean, I don't know if you've, like me, seen
it probably forty seven times, but you know it opens
on the streets.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Of New York and they're bustling, they're hustling the dance bag,
you know, And I thought, I mean, I just did
that for you.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
I gave myself shills and I looked at that when
I was five years old or six years old and
I went, I.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Don't know what that is, but gimme a piece of
the action.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I mean, and I'm forty five years old, and I
still feel exactly the same way, like whatever that is,
there is no greater pinnacle, there is no more intense
center of the TUTSI pop.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Like it is it?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
What I Did for Love is one of the great,
great great songs about anything. It's great.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
What did you do for the art that you love? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
It is?
Speaker 4 (41:56):
It is.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
You know, it hasn't aged particularly well, but you know,
Or what I actually learned is like people hated the
film and thought it was this like real butchering of
the Broadway show.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
But I just think it's like, it's about sweet that
your mom took you.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
She's saying, yeah, she comes up, she comes up.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Tell me, what's the film that scared you the most?
Do you like being scared?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah? I do. I do like to be scared. Did
you see Saint Maud.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Fucking love Saint Wodew?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I mean, I thought that that was the last thing
I watched, or I was like, this is astonishing and
grotesque and perfect, and I loved it. And I really
like scary films and I love Halloween in October and like,
I will never work on Halloween. And I've got like
I did a corporate once where I got it was
(42:55):
like for UK Housewares International Celebrate, you know whatever it was.
So there were all these like La Crusee nominees and
I was sort of kept saying to them that they
should send me this one thing that's like it costs
three hundred pounds and it looks like a pumpkin, but
it's like La Cruse cast real dish, and I was
can you not picture it?
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I just don't know what La Crusee is.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Goldine, you're like a Hollywood man now and you don't
know La Cruze. Are you kidding? But this is the
world you're in now. You need to like because people
are going to talk to you. You go to award things.
You need to know Lu Crusee. Now this is the world.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Okay, it's very fancy homeware and the life that I
project on you has the Cruisee.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
There's like an La flat.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
That you hope that you have soon in silver Lake
and there's like La Crusee in your Silverweight flat and
it's a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
What am I doing with this Homeway?
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Well, you're not going to do anything with it because
of your stuff. But there'll be like there's like days
where you.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Do like personal time where you're like, hollyo, it stops
today and today like whatever. You know, you have to
make decisions on stuff to do with your personal life,
but you cook with it.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
So I'm not going to in and out drive. I'm
staying in with my Lac Cruse in like.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Ten fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
So this is the moment where you hear what it
is and then when you're like, however old, you'll be like,
that's so funny.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I remember Sarah Baron and being like, what's La Cruise?
Speaker 1 (44:26):
And now look at meurger in the cruises in my
La crusee three hundred pounds whatever.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Anyway, I love autumn so much that I was like,
you guys should give me one of these things.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
For free, and they did so every Halloween I cook
in my La Crusee. I watch a film and my
husband found Saint Maude so disturbing he had to leave
the room.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
But the first film that really fucked, like you know,
I was like, okay, let me hit this with a
straight bat. What was the first one that scared me
the It was the nineteen eighties film Lucas. Oh. I
think Corey Haim played Lucas. Charlie Sheen was in it.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
As a kind like as a kind jock, and I
think there was like an actress in the eighties named
maybe Carrie Green when Nona Ryder was in it, and
it's like about a little nerdy boy, and it was
like there was an unlocking in my brain.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I couldn't sleep. Like my parents say they remember me,
like my mom coming home and my my dad says
he remembers watching me and my mom coming in from
the like walking up the driveway with me just hysterical
and my mom behind me going, you know, like I, yeah, yeah,
(45:45):
what have we done? I remember my parents having to
sit up with me while I sobbed.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
It was my first time feeling like there was poison
in my brain, you know, like some poison gets in
and you're like, what I would do to want to do.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
This visual or what?
Speaker 4 (46:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
There's a way that I've heard I never watched Requiem
for a Dream because I got too scared of what
people said about it. And it was the way that
people talk about Requiem for a Dream in two thousand
and two.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Is I was like, it's how I felt about Lucas.
Everyone is saying my Lucas feeling, and it was something
about watching this little boy like get mocked was the
scariest thing to this date I have ever borne witness too.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
What's a unique answer, heartbreaking answer, sir? What is the film?
Speaking of heartbreaking, what's the film that made you cry
the most? If not Lucas? Do you cry a lot?
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Well, Lucas as well as a young person beaches, like
I cry at films. I mean, I just sort of
I stopped. I'm trying to think of like slightly more
interesting things. I'm not going to tell you up or whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Inside Out, but like, although yes and yes, fuck have
you seen Inside Out too yet? I have?
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I think it's excellent me too, love to.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
That was a lot to deal with, But the one
that was really hard for me was Sideways when Paul
Giamati at the towards the end, like takes that bottle
and like lonely people not gonna It's not workable for me.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
This brings us back to the old lady, what's in
the TV? You don't like people on their own?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
I don't like people on their own, but I also,
like my husband would tell you if I don't enjoy caretaking.
So there's a real you know, I just I really
the film. What was the name of the film. It's
set in Glasgow with Jesse Buckley about dumb I So
I remember just loving that film, and I was like,
(47:52):
should we rewatch? My husband's like okay, and I was like,
I don't. I can't watch those kids waiting for her
when they think they're going out for pizza.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Nope, I won't watch this. I will not watch a
sad child, and I will not watch us sad. I
can Interestingly, I can handle sad old women. I can't
handle sad men can't do it, can't do it?
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Why because women? This is bad?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
It's like again, real, real, real gender gender generalizations. But
like pretty much women aren't as lonely pretty much they're
not and men are.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Oh yeah, what's the film that you you love? Critics
don't like it. It's not it's not a beloved film,
but you love it very much.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Indeed, if Magic Mike is happening, I'm going on opening deck.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
So the first Magic Mike film. No, Soderbergh didn't know
what he was doing. He wasn't sure, I see what
he was going for.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
I really respect it. And then they went, let's give
these people what they want with Double XL.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
It is such a fine film. I went to see
Last Dance. I said to my friends, I said, you,
I had been through a thing.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
They were like, what can we do?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
And I was like, can we go together in his
seat Magic Mike last day?
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Because Jeff wasn't gonna go, and like, I don't want
to be like an old lady going to see Magic Mike.
I'm on my own, so we went. I just I
have so much time for Channing Tatum. I think he's
like one of the most fascinating stars in all of Hollywood.
I think he's a fucking phenomenal actor. And I think
(49:45):
it was just like Last Dance, not quite as much,
but Double XCEL. They just went, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
Let's do an on the road, Buddy flickat Sense of Humor,
great stock characters, Jada Pinkett Smith, She's if Jada PingER
Smith is doing an interview, I am listening because she's
crazy and she brings all of her insanity.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
When she went on off menu, I.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Was like, well, I'll be listening to this one it was.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
You know, she's just fascinating. She's incredible in this role.
It is genius casting.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
I'll tell you right now. It's possible. Then when we're
talking about which one's going in my coffin, it might
be that one, because it is there's so much joy
in that film, so.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Much lovely answer. On the other hand, what is a
film that you used to love but you've watched it
recently and you've thought, oh, I don't know this anymore.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
The very, so very truthfully, I really struggled with this
because I think nostalgia is not such a strong feeling
for me.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
When I was watching Inside Out Too, I was like,
oh my god, I can't wait for Inside up through
when we could really see nostalgia at play. Like I
sometimes think my whole body is just a block of nostalgia.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
So you know, if I loved it, then I love
it now. But what I really makes me sad is
when I go back. So I was thinking about like
Crocodile Dundee.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Was a film I loved.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
That's a really good answer, But then you.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Go back and aside from like a million ways and
it's like, oh, insane, horrible. I'm sure of a racist film.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
I really despise unacknowledged age gaps. So if we're gonna
look at a man who's twenty five years older than
the woman, he's fucking cool.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
That happens. Let's explore it, let's talk about it, but
don't present it like it's not happening, Like it's not
I shouldn't just have to watch a fifty year old
with a twenty five year old, because what a twenty
five year old lady really wants is some like fifty
five year old en peen, you know.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
So that grossed me out when I like there was
some rewatching and I was like, oh oh, Also like
I'll tell you this without you know, wading into waters
that are to something or other.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I for my wedding, we thought it was a small wedding,
and we thought, let's actually watch a film with our
guests instead of dancing, Like Jeff hates dancing. I love dancing,
but I like dancing like at someone else's wedding, like
no one. It's like I need to not be the
center of attention. No, no, no, But then I want
(52:25):
to become the center of attention. So it's like, who's
that guy's go for? Wait, that girl can do. It's
not like the bride is not not so.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Jeff was like, we've only got like forty guests, and
let's like rent this little thing and I'll watch a
film together.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
What would feel right? And we got married in England
and New York is my place, my place, so it
was like, how do we And I was like, let's
get a real New York. I mean, I'm so embarrassed
telling you this.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
But the film we picked without doing as much research
so we should have done.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
And this was a long time ago, was Manhattan. I
don't know when you last watched it. And you know,
I will say for myself, I believe in gray areas,
you know, but I also and I can also kind
of do some art artists separation stuff.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, I mean it was real uncomfortable. It was it
was like the worst choice at our wedding. So actually,
upon reflection, let's go with Manhattan.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
It's such a funny thing to watch at your wedding.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
Okay, do you know what, Let's actually let's go do
the dancing. Let's do the dancing instead. It was so embarrassing,
well done. What is the film that means the most
to you? Not necessarily the film itself is good, but
the experience you had around seeing the film will always
make it special to you.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Sarah Baron, please, in.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
A way, I think it's pulp fiction, and the reason
for that is I feel that some of like the
inside the poll within. For me, one of many is
like I am someone who wants so bad to be cool,
like I want to be one of the cool kids desperately,
(54:12):
but I am I am fundamentally quite uncool. And pulp
fiction was the first cool thing, the right It was
the first time I ever loved the right thing to love,
and that really meant something to me.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
As it happened.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
I wasn't like a girl performing that she thinks radio
had is like so amazing, Like I'm like, no, I
like love Neirvanah. I'm like, no, I don't love Neirvanah.
I'm like busy listening to like musical theater. You know.
I was always that and really wanting to be other.
And that was when I felt like, nah, I'm a
cool bit. Oh yeah, fiction for the tenth time. Excellent, excellent,
(54:58):
great movie holds up nicely? What about it? Do you
not think holds up?
Speaker 1 (55:03):
That's some uh tricky race stuff in it. Oh yes,
but other than that, that's great.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
I was thinking about that that what you said, and
I thought you were sort of like I was thinking
about that question a different way.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
Yes, of course, yep, so great. What is the film
you most relate to?
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I have never related to a film in my life.
I don't think like I know that's a weird way
of but I was trying to think about a character
when I'm like, that's me. So then where I got
to was when I started doing sixteen Candles rewatch, I'd
be like, oh, I'm Joan Cusack.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
That's who I am. I'm Joan Cusack. I'm right, No, Brett.
She's fucking awesome. She is funny, she has a healthy
personal life.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
But she's not cool. But she's awesome, you know.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
So it's not like I watch School of Rock and go, oh,
I'm the or oh, but I'm just like, I am
Joan Cusack, and.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
I understand this all myself. So if she's in a film, yeah,
I then understand myself a little bit better. So you know,
like if you ever like looked at a picture of
yourself to try to understand what you look like, you know,
because you're like, I know, it's not quite what the
mirror is telling me, So what the fuck do I
look like? And then you like look at a photo
or something and I feel like, who am I? How
(56:34):
do we come across to people? We watch? Joan Cusack? Okay, Okay,
there we are.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
That's very very Stu again, Stu, what is the sexiest
film you've ever seen?
Speaker 2 (56:48):
Sarah Barry sexiest time I've ever seen? What's a film
that I went to see when I was like seventeen,
called Female Versions and it was starring till To Swinton.
It was the first time I ever saw till To
Swinton and there's like a sex scene between these two women.
(57:11):
What I now understand at forty five is it was
female gays. We didn't have that language then I didn't
understand what I was watching. But I left the I'm
not kidding, I am not kidding. I am not kidding.
I left the film with the understanding that I was
a lesbian like I And then I tried. I tried
(57:36):
multiple times to come out to people I was. And
you know, it was the nineties. My best friend was gay,
but I didn't.
Speaker 4 (57:42):
I was.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
You know, I felt all this shame as a lesbian
and so I like came out to some gay friends
of mine and I was like, I'm gay and they're like,
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm sure you're
not gay. And I know I'm not to say, like,
you're not gay, you are?
Speaker 1 (57:57):
You know.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
It wasn't like just like watching you know. I mean,
so it was, and now you know, it was because what.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
It was trying to get at was how women experience
pleasure and all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
And I've you know, it has been on my to
do list forever to rewatch it.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
And I never had bunny for a person to come
out and everyone to keep pushing them back in.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
You you're not, you're not, you're not you know, and
then you're not the one.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
And then once like I went with some you know,
I have had quite a few examples, and you know,
mostly because at the time, like now I feel like,
can I just please have a fucking female friend who
isn't gay?
Speaker 2 (58:48):
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (58:50):
You know?
Speaker 4 (58:51):
You go?
Speaker 3 (58:51):
I like, I remember, I was like, how come I
only have a couple of friends. I need some single friends.
But at the time I only had gay male friends,
and all of them told me that I wasn't gay,
And I've subsequently told this too many gay female friends
and they just laugh and explain that I'm, you know,
probably bisexual, but aren't we all.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
There's a sub category to this question, Traveling Bonn is
worrying why Dunes film you found arousing? You weren't sure
you should? What's that Sarah about it?
Speaker 2 (59:19):
I found McCauley Culkin in home alone. I wanted it,
and I knew there was something wrong with wanting it. Now.
Speaker 3 (59:32):
I wasn't like twenty when it came out. I was
I think, I'm like a year or two. I might
be two years older than Macaulay Culkin. And so if
he was like seven, I was nine or you know,
it was something sort of like that. But I liked
the cut of his jip or whatever people say, and
I knew, but you know, seven and not like that's
(59:54):
so two years at that age is like gandal And
there was something about like that. I'm you wasn't like,
wasn't appropriate for me at that whatever age I would
have been.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Maybe I was like ten.
Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
I mean, I don't know, but I was like, it's wrong,
it's wrong that I want this child in the way
that I want this child and I wanted them.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Do you know what it is?
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I think I have some shit with blonde guys. I
always tell I think I like the Song of my
Heart is like a surfer boy or some some like blonde.
I my mind doesn't want it, but somewhere deep inside
there is a recurrent theme here. I will just tell
you that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Okay, that's really fascinating. But Jeff isn't blunt.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
No, I haven't you know. I've dated a couple of
those guys, and you know it's never. We're never.
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I've never felt like an intellectual connection to a blonde man.
Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I am blonde people.
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I'm just saying I've never been like, oh here's a
vibe ever ever?
Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Not once.
Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
But I'm just saying, I think, like, give me a guy,
give me a California boys are something I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
My husband is a nerdy ginger.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Objectively, what's the greatest film, if ever seen?
Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Objectively? The greatest film I have ever seen is Mulholland Drive. Ah, Yeah,
there's nothing better. I don't I don't know what to
tell you like it is number one. It is incredible.
Assuming you are also a fan, which of course you are.
There is a dry cleaners if you get out of
Embankment tube station.
Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Mm hmmm, been there many times, of course. You know
what's your favorite? Actually, my favorite in Banget stage, my
favorite station. You can walk over the bridge, you can
walk back. It's there, it's right, it's perfect bank the station,
best station, ream good size in and out, not the
(01:01:57):
dream station.
Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Breaking news from listen to me until I said a makement,
you went holy shit. Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
So you're coming into Embankment. If you go out, if
you turn to your right, you're gonna make the right.
You turn right, you go to the river, you turn left.
You're heading up towards Charing Cross Road. Yeah yeah, okay,
so you're heading left towards Charing Cross Road. But then
instead of walking up that little sort of you're gonna
(01:02:27):
you're gonna take a hard left. So you're walking under
like a bridge.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah okay.
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
So you're under the bridge.
Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Next to the news agent where you buy your nuts.
There is a dry cleaner all in wood paneling, and
it is Mulholland drive.
Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Look out for it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Because you'll never notice it, and then one day you'll
be like, oh, this is a fucking setting for a
David Lynch film.
Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
It's fabulous. I think, you know, it is the most
incredible film. It is about Hollywood. It is.
Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
It is really kind of hard to find a film
or anything where acting doesn't hit a bum note, Like
being incredible actor is really hard. I think, I say,
this is someone who loves watching film and television, and
there's not a bum note in that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
It is so fucking believable while being so bizarre. You
have to think about it so hard.
Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
It is the most glorious, intricate and then simple expression
of an idea.
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I fucking love that film in my dream version of
my life. I watch it every year. I pick a
day and it's my mal Holland drive day.
Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
I love that. I love that. Well, you get no
argument for me. I love that film.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
It's not a controversial choice for like a phenomenal film.
Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Well not, you know, I can there are people that
would not enjoy that, and I get it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Oh, let me say I respect someone. If you say
I don't like it, I'd be like, oh, so fair.
But if you say it's not good, that's what I
would take issue with.
Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Get out, get the sequence. The thing about acting, there's
the amazing sequence where she goes in to do the
audition with the creepy guy, and that she's an incredible
in that fil Naomi Watts is etordinary. Anyway, what is
the film you could or have? What's the most over
(01:04:32):
and over again?
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Ridesmaids fantastic, Girls Trip fantastic, The Bird Cage fantastic, And
then it's sort of and then as well, I will
keep on if it's on.
Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
This is a slight more off the beaten path film Sisters,
in which Tina Fey and Amy Poehler switched and played
against type, and it is a great and it doesn't
get quite the credit that A Girl's Tripper a Bridesmaid's gets,
But I am telling you you just like, if as
(01:05:09):
long as Amy Pohlar has something okay to work with,
you will see one of the most extraordinary performances of
all time, like maybe the greatest comic performer.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I have ever watched in my life.
Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Keeping in mind, you know, Melissa McCarthy and Kristino and
all these others, we were like, where are the other ones?
I was like, that's the good A second I heard saying,
there's this consistency doesn't matter. What the fuck you give
Amy Pohler, it doesn't matter. She will go and do
something crazy with it.
Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Oh, I love her.
Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
My mom took my brother and me to New York
City in nineteen ninety two and we saw him in
a broad as Nathan Lane in a Broadway revival of
Guys and Dolls. And it was one of the greatest
physical experiences of my life was getting to set in
that audience.
Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
It was He's in that film, I mean, the bird
Cage with I mean, it's it's just.
Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
That he's like a he's a bad mom. He's a
bad narcissistic man, but he also.
Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Loves him so much. He just loves his little boy
so much. But I mean Geene Hackman in that film,
I mean that when he's talking about the leaves changing
and driving and dieting. I mean, you know it is
it's extra like this is the one actually as we're
talking where I'm like, if you were allowed with this
(01:06:39):
podcast to like say to your guest that what they
had to do was at the end they had to
set aside two hours and watch one of the like
whatever they were the most moved, I'd be like, that's
what I do. I'd go downstairs right now, and I'd
be like, watch the bird Cage again, right now. It
is so joyful and good.
Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
What's the west film you've ever seen?
Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Oh? You know what?
Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
I fucking hated. I couldn't remember. I block films that
I did filled me with rage. God help the girl.
That film, by the like, some member of Belle and
Sebastian made a film okay in twenty fourteen, and what
I felt I was watching was a bunch of cameras
on an emaciated teenager that was being objectified by like
(01:07:22):
old men.
Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
And I hated it. And it was like eating disorders.
Oh what interesting girls have I've got mental health? It
was like fuck you fuck y' okay. I don't like
when people do that.
Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
What's the film you're incomedian, what's the film that made
you laugh?
Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
The Moist, Bridesmaids?
Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
It's a fucking banger.
Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
It's just it's it's crazy. It's a crazy film. It's
it's you know. I am a succession obsessive. And I
loved the thinking about why that show was so amazing.
It was like a fun place for me to take
my hat. I love to think about excellence. Brett and
(01:08:08):
I've been like why the sopranos, Why why? And I
think Bridesmaids needs a lot of thinking about.
Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Yeah, I'm not a filmmaker. I don't direct, I don't
you know. But I love having shit like that explained
to me. And it's the script. It's there's no flab.
Every look someone does is infused with comic excellence.
Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Yeah, I agreed, Sarah Baron, you have been wonderful as expected. However,
when you were sat at this lake with your grandkids
and your great grand kids and your great great grandkids,
and you were sat there and you've been ill actually,
which is a sort of weird thing to wishing yourself,
but not mentally but physically, you've been really ill for
quite some time. And then you were sat in this
deck chair and then your hearts went, oh god, it
(01:09:01):
wasn't the worst heart attack that seek happened, but it
was still the heart attack. And everyone was like swimming shit. Anyway,
you died, and I was walking past with the coffin,
you know what I'm like, And I goes, anyway, is
anyone noticed your great grandma's been a bit still? And
they're like, ah fuck, And I say, come on, let's
get her in the coffin, but you had grown in
(01:09:22):
the heat and some we couldn't fit in the coffin,
so we had to chop you up. I said, kids,
get kids, get a load of actses. We've got a
load of as put you all in the in the coffin,
stuffy and stuffy and stuff. There's no room in this coffin.
There's only enough room in this coffin to slip one
DVD into the side for you to take across to
the other side. And when you get there, it's movie
night every night. What film are you taking to show
the people in heaven when it is your movie night?
(01:09:45):
Sarah Baron, go.
Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Okay, I think I'm going to go with the bird Cage.
Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Because I think that, as I said to you as
we were talking, it was the one where I went, gosh,
ready to go sit down right now, that's what it
would be. And it's excellent and it still reminds me
of being young and everything the great wide world about
to open up before you. And another Dirk secret is
I kind of like Miami Beach and there we go.
Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
It's great. I love my own beach. So, Sarah Baron,
thank you for doing this. Tell us what we should
look out for and listen to in the coming months.
Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Look out for I'm at the Edinburgh French Festival. Please
give me a big packed room. Listen to me rage
about my mom? Are my anger problems mine or hers?
Come be part of the festivities. Also, I know Brett
talks about film. I talk about television. I do a
television podcast with my husband Jeff. We work together, which
is to be admired but also pitied. Our podcast is
(01:10:40):
about trying to find excellence. There's so much TV out there, Brett,
but you don't have time to wade through it. You
like good shit. You only want to watch good shit.
My podcast they like to watch.
Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
And I'll tell you right now the television shows are
The Trojan Horse and a Marital Dynamic sits inside.
Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
The end.
Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Thank you very much, Sarah. I hope you have a
wonderful time in Edinburgh and that every night it's a
packed night, and that people love your show and you
enjoy it and you have perspective and mental health and
have a wonderful time.
Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Thank you for doing this, Thank you for having me Brat.
It was really nice to see you have a good death.
Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
It was lovely to see you good day to you, Sarah.
So that was episode three hundred and nine at Over
to the Patreon at patreon dot com. Forward slash Prett
Goldsteam for the extra secret chat and videos with Sarah.
Go to Apple Podcast give us a five star rating.
Right about the film that means the most of you
and why It's a lovely thing to reading. My Nabor
Marien loves it. It helps with numbers and we really
appreciate it. Thank you very much. I hope you're all well.
(01:11:45):
Thank you to Sarah for giving me a time. Thanks
to Scruby's piping the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy
Peace for producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia and miil Ferareh's
Big Money Players Network for hosting it. Thanks to Adam
Richardson for the graphics at least Alight them for the photography.
Come join me next week for another excellent guest. Thank
you all for listening. I really appreciate it. That is
it for now. In the meantime, have a lovely week,
(01:12:06):
and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each other.
Host
Brett Goldstein
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