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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look out. It's only Films to be Buried With a
rewind classic. Hello. Everyone's me breg Olstein. Now listen. I've
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taken a little break from the podcast to focus on
some work. I hope that's all right. In the meantime,
I'm releasing some of my all time favorite episodes, including
this one, which was a live episode with the brilliant
Sarah Kendall. You know Sarah Kendall. She's amazing, so funny,
so wonderful. Really love doing this with it. We didn't
even get through all the questions betil we were having
too much of a nice time. Anyway. If you were there,
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Everything else you need is at theatreon dot com. Less
Brett Goldstein and that's it in it you know what
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I mean. Enjoy your lives. Hope you're all well as
love I very much hope you enjoy this Rewinds classic. Hello,
and welcome to Films to be Buried With. My name
is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer,
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a director, a pomegranite seed, and I love film. As
Mark Twain once said, whenever you find yourself on the
side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.
For example, remember when Batman Versus Superman dawner Justice came
out and everyone was like, this is shit. But then
you took a step back and looked at it from
a big picture point of view and realized, Hey, that
Zack Snyder had in fact used big Hollywood money to
(01:46):
make a German, expressidistic film about how if only all
people's mums had the same name, we could all just
get along. And it's actually a kind of masterpiece that Wow,
I can't believe. The same guy who write Tom Sawyer
also sees the many levels of Man v. Superman, Dawn
of Justice, Martha. Every week I'm invite a special guests over.
I tell them they've died, then I get them to
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discuss their life through the films that meant the most
of them. Previous guests include Sharon Stone, January Jones, Lolli,
Adam Phobe, and even Petty Crambell's himself. I'm fucking connected, guys.
I don't know. I just met him once and things
happened anyway. This week's episode comes live from the Underbelly Festival,
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in this incredible Spiegel tent, with this audience. It's good stuff,
and tonight my special guest is an award winning comedian,
a writer, a radio star, a TV star, an actor,
a storyteller, contributor, a motherlander, a showrunner, a human person,
and most importantly of all, the owner of a giant
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gold statue of Greg Davy's head. Please welcome to the stage.
The tremendous, the hilarious, to profound, the musical, the legend,
the Taskmaster's joined. It's only Sarah Cando. Nobody saw her
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us touch. Hello Sarah, Hi Brett, how are you very well?
Thank you so much for doing the show. It's my pleasure.
It's taking your while to invite me on. Yes, so
we had it. We had a pandemic and we did
and I think you did actually did try to get
me before the pen. We weren't meant to do it
for the pandemic and it fell apart, so you've had
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a long time to think. Yeah, okay, so Sarah, you
have been doing very well. Yeah, I've been smashing it.
You made a show called Fraid. Has anyone seen Fraid?
Oh my god? I just assumed no one's seeing it
and there wasn't many people, and I was still over
the moon. Like seven people. I'm like, guys, oh my god, Right,
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you have to watch this show because it's fucking brilliant.
And it's set in Australia. Yeah, yep. And it is
so specific. Yeah, if I may say, yeah, it's very,
very specific. It's very I don't do broad comedy. It's
not broadcasts. I'm not into it. It's specific, yeah, but
it's what I did want to know is it's about
where you're from, right, it's set where you're from. Yeah,
and it ain't particularly glowing about where you're from. And
(04:19):
they wondered what the people where you're from have made
of your show? Like it? I don't like it. And
when we're filming because the problem, because it's said in
the nineteen eighties where I grew up has become quite
gentrified now, so we can't really film a lot of
stuff there because it looks turned nice now because in
the eighties it was a shit pit, but now you know,
like it's doing quite well. So we have to we
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have to find like the shitty places to go on film,
and when we do go there to film, people tell
us to get fucked, Like, you know, you have to
close off a road for a scene or something. People
will just be on the outside of frame, calling us can't.
It's just they really don't like us. Yeah, which is
quite right because I present it as a town that's
a bit ship and then when we're filming, we actually
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have people in the background telling us to get fucked.
I'm like, this is very on brand, absolutely, Yeah. One
thing I did want it as well, Right if you've noticed,
it's six hours the first season, and this person here
wrote it all on their own, which as someone who
has written but has written stuff with ten other people. Yeah,
but I think that would be I would find that
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harder going. Well, No, I just I feel like I
know exactly what I want it to look like, whereas
if I was working with other people, I'd have to
manage those relationships and the amount of trust that it
takes to kind of I was saying that recently, I
tained to Sharon Horgan about the same thing about how
I feel like every decision that you make when you're
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writing a script, everything's up for grabs. Literally, anything can
happen in the story. You're thinking it up as you go.
I kind of feel like another person could argue me
around quite easily, because I do. It's just a debatable point.
No matter how hard you dig in on your idea.
I'm never completely sure that my ideas right idea. But
what I don't want to do is make someone else's mistake. Yes,
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that's my fear is that I would go, yeah, actually
you're quite right and get persuaded. Not that my idea
was great, but if your idea is not the right one,
I don't want to make your mistake. That's that's kind
of my So your secrets locked the door, and then
you get your idea, jah, your own cares, grow, your turnails.
Yeah really, all of that that very much? Yeah, I thought,
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what about Taskmaster? Did you watch Taskmaster? Shony? When the fucker? Yeah?
How was that? At first? It was fun, and then
I started to take it very seriously. It's like a
really strange psychological experiment that you start to care. Yeah,
like you actually start to care about whether you can
eat three thousand Poppa doms and say metronome after each pipe.
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Darm you, I really want to do this, whereas at
the beginning of you that'll be so stupid, But then
halfway through you're like, not only do I want to
do it, well, I want to beat the other four people.
So I feel like it's very true of life that
whatever the goalposts are, you suddenly just start wanting it. Yeah.
And I really didn't care at first, and then I
really cared so much so that I felt like I
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was like psyching myself up before tasks. I'd be wandering
and going, come on, you can do this. It is
utterly joyless. Oh great, it's how I do everything I
care too much and wreck any enjoyment I could possibly have. Yeah,
it's a fucked way to live. I'm not going to lie.
Is that how you do relationships? Yeah, it's very related
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how I do everything I care too much? And then
yeah because they say yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. The
thing that you learn with stand up is the only
way to really get good at stand up is to
do it so much that you don't give a fuck. Yeah,
And it's a lie. It's a lot, it's hard, and
you've got to do so much of it before you
get to the point where you walk out and you go,
I just don't care. That's the only way you can
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be a good stand up. It's true. It's true of
life too. You've got to get to that point. It's
really hard to get to that point. It is hard
when you're in a relationship to nail that relationship by
going up to the person again. I don't care, just
so you know, yes, you can move in, but I
don't care. Yeah, that's yeah, Yeah, that's yeah, that's my secret. Yeah.
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Oh shit, what what's happened? What? Oh? No? Oh shit?
The bed what I've made a terrible error. You've printed
up the wrong No, no, no, it's all there. I
just I probably printed it in the wrong order. I
should have told you this up top. It doesn't matter.
I've forgotten to tell you something. I feel like an
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absolute dick. I'm gonna look bad just bringing this on you,
but fuck you. I'll just say it. You've died. You're dead, Okay, okay,
how did you die? What was your death? Um? That's
the look of someone who didn't realize the format. You
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had the same look that taxi driver ahead on the
BBC News when he realized, yes, I am dead. How
did I die? Yeah? It's up to you. It's um,
I reckon it's going to be It'll be a students
a stupid death. It'll be a stupid death. Okay. Yeah.
The reason I say this because this isn't the reason
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why it's a really good question is because it really
makes you think about how you feel about death, doesn't it.
Because you kind of think the way I die has
got to be reflective of the way I've lived in
some way. So I think I'll die being really really careful,
but still dying even though I'm being super careful. So
it'll be like I will have checked. Like it'll be
like an ab sailing incident. I don't ab saile, but
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I'll be the one person on the one ab side
the one time I ab sail and I triple check
the equipment, but one of the caribou locks I didn't check,
or something. That'll be the way I'm taken out. It'll
be like a one in a million thing where I
was very careful and I went, Okay, I'll do it,
but which it's going to make sure it's safe, and
then I'll still die. She fell off a wall. Probably, Yeah,
(10:03):
it'd be something like that. Yeah, And it'll be just
at the point I'm starting to enjoy the activity, so
I'll be not enjoying going this shot. I wish I'd
never come his dumb and rock climbing is dumb. And
then I was like, actually, this is not bad. This
is actually okay. And then something will happen with the
equipment and then I'll be instant death. I hope so,
but I'll probably not probably, but like a lot of
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just bleeding out on the on the cliff. Look, it
could be it could be weeks in hospital. It could
be weeks in hospital where I rally for a bit,
you know, like your rally, and everyone's like, she's going
to make it through. She's going to make Yeah. Yeah,
I always said Sarah was a fighter. They'll be that
kind of she pretends, she pretends not to care, but
she does. She does. Yeah, and then something else. It
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would be like a secondary infection to the primaries the
primary site. Yeah right, yeah, I'll get golden staff, Like
so I will have recovered from the majority of the
injuries that I incurred, and then I'll get golden staff
and it'll be like, ah, this and then because my
mother may I just say, well, I love at this
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point is the people who don't know the podcast, who
were like, what the fuck is this show? This fascinates
me though, because my mother. I was raised by a
mother who basically, death is everywhere. You've got to be
very very careful. Death is everywhere. Like my mum's favorite
stories are about moles that didn't get checked, or someone
who thought it was just a headache but it wasn't. Like.
(11:30):
That's her favorite genre of anecdote. And I've been I've
been raised. But she texted me the other day there
was that awful collapse of the building in Miami, and
my mum she rang and she said, I've been thinking
about this and I don't think that you should go
into new build high rises. They've built too many of
them too quickly. And I was like, so, what buildings
(11:50):
do you think I should go into? And she said,
I just I don't know. Just nothing, nothing after the
nineteen eighties. I said, but why the nineteen eighties? Said well,
there was a time of excess and things were just
built too fast. But that's the way she lives. She
tries to gather the data. What can I learn from this?
She texted me this story about a guy in turkey
who fell into a vat of chicken soup. He was
(12:11):
trying to prepare it for a wedding. It's great, right,
that's a good debt. So she said, you know, man
died falling into a vat of chicken soup preparing for
a wedding, and then she ended the text message with
it really makes you think. But what does it make
you think? What? Don't go to turkey, don't go to weddings,
don't cook chicken soup. What do I glean from this
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so that I don't die the same way? Yeah, I'll
be honest that we'll be thinking about that. Imagine what
imagine that guy's day. Imagine you like tasty and ask good?
She asked good? And a bit more spice. Just you know,
you're getting thinking about everyone's going to love my chickens
fucking falling in and die. No, No, I don't think.
I don't know. Mum would have included that. She would
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have loved that detail if it was his weddings. Fuck,
she would have That's that's that's really, that's that's the
probably because you have to announce that to the guests,
like I'm say, like, it's difficult. Please don't laugh. Yeah,
it's difficult. He's there, yeah dead, Yeah, Oh my god,
he fell into chickens. Yeah yeah, yeah, if no one
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was surprised. Yeah, that sounds like the sort of thing
in right. Do you worry about death all the time?
I think about it NonStop. I'm so worried about it. Okay,
And the older I get, the more I worry about it.
You know, I'm forty five now, and this is the
age where shit starts going wrong with people. You know.
Do you hear about blah blah? No what, I'm just
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hearing more of those stories, and I'm like, my num
is going to be up soon. Can't bear it? Sorry,
Welcome to the shape. Welcome. So what do you think
happens when you die? Though? After life? For you? Sadly? No,
I don't think so, No, I don't. I mean, and
that would sweeten the pill, wouldn't it. I mean, that's
the whole fucking point is to go, well, I led
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a good life and I'll see all those people that
I love. But who are we kidding? The chances of
that being true are statistically just you know, because of
negligent the terrible things you don't famously not a racist,
but all the terrible things. You don't you think, you
just think there's nothing. No, I just not going to
the bad place. You're not going anywhere. Well, I don't know.
I don't know, but I feel it's unlikely. It feels
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unlikely to me. But I think that's sort of you know,
like the magic of here and now is that you
know you have to absolutely. I mean, even though I
don't live in the present and I reck it constantly
by worrying, but you should try to live in the
present and enjoy this on the understanding that it's probably
all there is, you know, the afterlife thing. And it's
a nice idea, but I doubt it. I ever told
you my theory that enlightenment is fucking boring. Oh, it's
(14:42):
a pile of shit. I do find, I told you earlier.
I've I've been doing karate. I do find karate is
a really good way to get mindful, because all you
can think about is either not getting hit ye or
hitting And it's a simplicity to that where you're going,
I'm just going to try to block this person's hit,
and I'm just going to try to hit them. That's
the most mindful I can get so your meditation is
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kicking his shirt or trying to stop them kicking the
shit out of me to block as much of their
as I can. But that's actually made me very calm.
I find that like a really kind of calm, calm
states be in. I took on this fourteen year old
and because there's his kid, and did you win? No,
he was a fucking animal. He was unbelievable. So i'man
(15:28):
in my class. I'm going for my first belt in
a couple of weeks. And I was with like, it's
really like you want to get it. It's like taskmaster
Now I want a belt, you know, because like the
belts will go into different sections of the class, and
I was with like the white belts and the no
belts and the Red belts, and the red belts are
still pretty good. But I was with this fourteen year
old kid and he had his boxing gloves on and
he went fucking ballistic on me, like he was punching
(15:50):
and hitting so hard and just went for it. And
I was so angry at him, and I was like
blocking as much as I could, and then I started
hitting him back because I was like I can annoyed.
But then I suddenly realized that I was the happiest
I've been for weeks. I was like, I'm not worrying
about death. Yeah, for the first time, Like all I've
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been thinking about was like how worried I am about dying?
And it absolutely took my mind off it. So enlightenment.
You is kicking the ship of a fourteen year old point, well,
if he's hitting me, I'm not judging, and he's showing
off to this sense like he kept on punching and
then looking over to see if the sense I was watching.
I was like, I know what you're doing. You're trying
to impress the sense. It felt so good when I
(16:32):
when I hit him and he went out, and I
was like, well I got good news. Yep. There is
a heaven you're scraping in because of all the violence
to children and called enlightenment. And then this heaven is great,
filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Movies? Okay?
And am I doing? You're catching up? You're doing for
(17:00):
ten points in this heaven. You're very welcome. Everyone's a
big fan. I DELI to see you, but they want
to talk about your life through the medium of film. Okay,
and The first thing they ask is what's the first
film you remember seeing? What did I answer? So, just
to be clear, I didn't give her the answers, but
she sent me answers ages ago and then tell me
(17:21):
today that she'd forgotten him, so I will be Yeah,
it was six weeks ago. You said, you said Jaws.
I said Jaws, and I'm pretty sure that I qualified
that saying that cannot be like, that's the first cinematic
experience that I remember. I don't think it was my first. Okay, movie,
but that's the one that feels the most vivid in
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my memories. Where were you? I can't answer that, Okay,
I don't know. I genuinely don't know. I can't tell you.
It was an undisclosed location I worked for, Moss said
briefly in the in the late seventies. Yeah. Right, Well,
and you had a little break popped the cinema. They said,
(18:04):
take the afternoon off, sir, And I was like, are
you guys sure you have been killing it? I'm very
happy with your work. Yeah, go and catch a movie. Yeah,
And I said, I'm going to go and see a
Spielberg movie because I was in Mos said, I'm going
to see a Spielberg. No, like, so you went to
a cinema with your family on your right. It couldn't
(18:24):
have been a cinema because it was like it Gays
came out in nineteen seventy seven, so it couldn't possibly
have been a cinema. I was born in nineteen seventy six,
so it must have been on video or on the
television in the eighties. I think you loved it. I did.
I loved it because where I grew up, like I
grew up right next to the beach, there was a
lot of swimming. We were always swimming in the surf.
We did a thing in a stray called Little Nippers
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and Little Nippers is every Sunday morning we'd go and
do surf life saving down at the beach. You like
saving surface surf life saving, you're saving the lives of
specifically surface anyone else they were life saving in the surfy.
You're saving people from the surf. Right, stop surfing. Yeah,
(19:09):
I mean that's the obvious thing to do is to
not swim in the ocean, right, right, right, But people
love swimming in the ocean. Yeah, they travel for hours
to swim in the ocean. So it really sort of
resonated with me just because of the lifestyle that I had,
which was very beach orientated, and there was a story
about an enormous shark that couldn't really be stopped. So
I I just in terms of my imagination and how
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it affected me, And I was so frightened that we
had a pool. Even when I was in the pool,
I would be kind of afraid that when I go
to the deep end that a shark like doesn't make
any sense. And I knew it didn't make any sense,
but that really iconic sort of you know, the legs
kicking around and the pov of the shark like that
was such a clever psychological I used to think they
could come up the drain. Yeah. I mean there's also
(19:53):
the thing that your brain can sort of trick you
into being into danger. That isn't there. I've seen no
evidence they can't that a shark can't get through. I've
never seen one train. I could give you that evidence. Okay,
with a pen and paper. What is the film that
scared you the most? What did I answer? You are answered?
Fatal Attraction? Oh yeah, Fatal Attract. Have you seen it?
(20:18):
I did? Okay, So my dad went away on business,
so my mom took me to go and see Fatal Attraction.
Are well, I want to say Ballpark twelve. I think
I was about twelve. I think it was about nineteen
eighty eight. I think that feels about right. That feels
about maybe eleven or twelve. So Dad's away on business
(20:39):
and Mom and I go and see this, this movie
about you know, we all know the story of Fatal Attraction,
And I felt so angry and betrayed, like I thought,
our dad's doing that. Dad's probably off. That's why she's
showing you this is this is like a little trail
of crumbs to the truth. Oo, Dad's probably doing it
(21:00):
with another woman. She's probably a psychopath. She's probably gonna
come and kill us all. So interestingly, what I love
about this there was a thing. I think it was
either a Hollywood reporter or Vanity Fair or someone got
famous screen couples together. Did you did you see the
Michael Douglas? How fucking interesting was that? And how she
(21:24):
you'll just get your phones out and watch it, will
watch you watch it and watch you be fascinated. No,
go on, it is Actually it's really interesting because she
for a start got quite frustrated with how her character
became a psychopath. She felt that when they were you know,
when she'd auditioned for it and when they were making it,
that the whole point is if she is a psychopath,
the story has no resonance because then she's just this
(21:46):
mad lady acting without any reason, and it sort of
diminishes her. Like that's sort of one of those things
with scriptwriting is that if your character is mad, then
the story doesn't have a logic to it. And she
was saying that kind of made my character less important
because then she was just acting as a psychopath, not
the things that were happening to her logically in the story.
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And if I remember correctly, the way the film had ended,
YEA was that she kills the family and pins it
on Michael Douglas. No, the original ending, you will know
the current ending at Fatal Attackson right sheets she gets
shot in the bath. It's another film, Say sorry, I
should have said no spoilers, spoilers, Fuck it. She gets
(22:26):
shot in the bath. The original ending of Fatally Attackstion,
which is so dark and so much better, is she
cuts her own throat in her bedroom. Yeah, with a knife,
but with a knife that has his fingerprints at it,
and we've already had that sane At the end, it
gets picked up by the police, yeah and done for murder.
Yeah yeah. But then test audiences didn't like it. So
the test audiences they showed it and they had to
(22:47):
reshoot it. And the reason why was because, and it's
really fairly deeply entrenched in misogyny, is that they wanted
the woman to kind of get shot and killed him,
for Michael Douglas to step in and save his family
and for order to be restored, sort of not really
taking on Michael Douglas's character's complicity in the whole situation.
What they wanted was the bad lady to be punished, yea,
(23:08):
And the best way to punish her is for him
to shoot her while she's trying to kill his family,
which just becomes a fairly idiotic story. Great thriller, but
in terms of where we heap the blame, it's like, well,
thank goodness, the lady's dead. So they they, and they
really they really fought hard over that reshoot. She refused there.
(23:29):
She was dragged to set, Yeah, she was dragged to
set putting a headlocks, right, that's right. They hobbled her
in misery. They broke both her ankles. You don't know this,
but yeah, it's all on the vanity fair thing. But yeah,
I mean the whole ending of that story is basically
the restoration of the American happy family and the woman
(23:51):
whose fault and it was her fault because she was
a psychopath. Like it really sort of takes all the
moral weight off the Michael Douglas character. Yeah, and that
scared you the most. Well, I didn't know back then
that I was going to watch that interview on the
in years ago, but it really frightened me. It really
frightened me that there was this happy family that didn't
know about this dark thing, that there were so many
(24:11):
layers of deception that the father had had this affair
and then he'd try to kind of end the affair,
and then it couldn't end because she was crazy, and
then she came after them and killed their pet. Like
there were so many layers of that for a young
person to be frightened of. Yeah, I'd also only ever
seen Glenn close in the Natural with Robert Redford, where
(24:33):
she plays like she's pure as the driven snow and
so I'd always thought, oh, Glenn close like and then
when I saw, oh, there's that lady from the Natural,
and then she's like a psychotic sexual maniac. Yeah, they
say thing with casting, it can really throw you as
a kid when your favorite person or like someone who
you've liked and another thing plays a baddie. That also
was quite unsettling for a young mind. I think was
(24:55):
your dad. I'm not going to ask that question. The
answers yes again, see your man was doing preparing you.
What is the film that made you cry the most?
I can't, I genuinely can't remember what I answered. I
thought about these do you know what I'll tell you
why I don't remember why what I answered is because
I didn't want my answers to be performative. And I
(25:16):
think over time you start having your bog standard answer
to these things, and I actually wanted to think about
and go, no, don't give the answer that you're used
to giving. Actually have a think. What did I say?
You said, Shinna's list? Yeah, shinlaws just fucking kills me
every time. Why that's horrible? Pause after that take, really
(25:41):
horrible long pause. Well, everyone was like, Okay, have you
ever seen Jimminy Glicks interview with mel Brooks. Jimmy Glicks
a character Martin Short. Yes, yes, big fat Hollywood reporter. Yeah,
he's interviewing mel Brooks and he goes, so, what's your
beef with the Nazis? Is like, what's my beat? And
(26:07):
every time and it's also just got that every time
you're watching it on very tasted, Yeah, yeah, seven o'clock, kids,
you know what time it is? Um and the ending
and yeah, the ending when when the actors come out
with the people that they played in real life. And
I've seen it maybe six or seven times sort of
I saw it in the cinema when it first came out,
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and that that was also around the time I was
a teenager. But I think that's also again that's sort
of in keeping with a time when you're growing up.
It's really weird for me with my certainly with my daughter.
I had to tell her about the Holocaust, like she
she's alive and a young person and learning about the world,
and then she asked about there was something that we're
watching and then I actually had to tell about this
(26:51):
thing that happened, and this was a brain that hadn't
known it yet. And she was going, really this happened.
I'm like, yeah, this happened. So six million people though
they were put in and they were gassed and because
they were Jewish, or they were gay, or they were disabled,
like it was you know, and watching that brain kind
of taking it on as a thing that actually happened historically.
It's important for her to know. And I hated telling her.
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And I remember as a teenager, you know, studying history
and starting to learn about things like that, and then
seeing it presented on film and connecting with it on
a layer that wasn't just information, connecting with it in
that very the way it was filmed, and just having
that sort of connecting with a historical moment, but in
a way that was completely devastating. It still has that power.
(27:33):
It's um yeah, that really it really threw me. When
I met there was about sixteen or seventeen when it
came out, and that was one of those moments in
the cinema where when the film ended, people were just sat.
No one got up, everyone just sat there. They had
to take a moment. Yeah, and then the ashes came
in and where fucking please go to yah ya sitt
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and stunned silent exactly. That is a very good answer,
Thank you very much. What is the film that it
is supposed to be bad? It's not critically acclaimed, Yeah,
but you love it unashamedly. Oh yeah, I love this one. Yeah,
because I love telling people how much I like this
film because of how angry it makes people. I love
Vanilla Sky, I know, I know, And I never saw
(28:22):
the original, which everyone says is better. I'm not interested.
Don't give a shit. I don't want to see the
original one that's much better. Yeah. It violates pretty much
every rule I have about films that I do and
don't like. Like I'm confused, Like you're confused for the
majority of that film, Yeah, which is I think an
unacceptable I think you're not meant to be confused for
that long. And I think Hitchcock said that an audience
(28:44):
in confusion is not an audience of mooting. I think
that's the that's might be slightly fucked that a little bit,
but it's true, Like if you're confused for too long,
your brain gives up. Yeah, And I don't mind that.
I don't know what's going on, and I think it's
just but I do now because I've seen it many times.
I under stand the plot now, but I remember thinking
I've been confused for a good nineteen minutes and I'm
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still I'm still into it. I'm still with them. I
want to know. And it's really memorable. I think Cameron
Crowe is really good at curating fantastic songs. He always
picks fantastic songs. So there's all these great songs. There's
like that I still associate like. I think there's the
Salisbury Hill is one of them. There's Todd roundbren Can
we still be friends. He's really great, kind of yacht
(29:28):
rock kind of songs. Again, I'm not that wild about
yacht rock. And then he's got the yacht rock soundtrack.
I'm like, great, what is the film you loved years ago?
You used to love it, but don't hold up any
more for you. I'm pretty sure I just answered, was
it Manhattan? Yeah? Yeah, Manhattan? Manhattan is just gross fest
It's really troublesome. And also I think also the relationship
(29:52):
that Woody Allen had with because you hate black and white, yeah,
I really, I just for me, a movie needs to
be about ninety minutes long and in color, yeah, and
then anything else that happens on top of that. Yeah, yeah, no,
that's a that's a really I mean a lot of
Woody Allen stuff. It's really I have a very difficult
(30:12):
sort of because Annie Hall is still one of my
favorite films. Annie Hall changed my life and the way
I felt about comedy and what I thought you could
do with comedy. Like I think that for most people
who are into comedy, that's it's just such a it
is a classic for all the right reasons. So it's
very difficult relating to his work when it has meant
(30:32):
something to you. But I mean, Manhattan is just hiding
in plain sight. That's not easy. Well, he might be
troublesome offscreen, but on screen that like that is just
a pretty gross movie about his relationship with a barely
barely adult she's a child, and also he knew her
parents in real life. There was this kind of you know,
that whole thing is weird and all of it is depressing,
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and the ending of Manhattan is one of my favorite
endings the film. And then now you just go like, wait,
I mean, of all the things, is that alb you've
got to lighten up? Or is that any hares you
got to light up. They're all good ending. What a
great ending. You've got to lighten up? Great, that's and
then I'm like, when I saw that, I was like, oh, yeah,
you got a light up. That's that's it, isn't it.
You got to lighten up. It's such a fantastic ending, brilliant.
(31:17):
But yeah, Manhattan, I can't watch it now. I don't
find it funny. You're cute or amusing. It's not a quirk.
That's not quirky for a man of his age to
have had the Yeah, that's a that is a cool
card room by a cool guy. There's some guy out
there and he's so fucking cool and he's just like
(31:38):
But the probably with Manhattan is also I love gersh
One like I, and it's got the Gershan soundtrack, so yeah,
it's got all these things about it that. Yeah, but
I can't watch it now with any level of comfort.
I think that's totally fair. Where's the film that has
the most meaning for you? Not necessarily the film itself
is any good, but the experience you had around seeing
(31:58):
the film that always make it special to you. Sarah Kendell,
Which what was it? I mean, it was the Pink
Panther Stakes again, but I can't tell you the experience. Yeah,
that's a shack. You didn't tell me that was homework
involved in the show. Do you know what? The reason
why I had to go back and rethink this is
because I had a memory that turns out was not
a memory. What was it? I thought, Okay, so I
(32:20):
was going to say the start of the Spike who
Loved Me because of when Roger Moore goes off the
edge of the cliff and then the Union Jack flag
opens up and then you get the theme tune kicks in.
And I had a memory that turns out I had
rewritten in my head that couldn't possibly have been accurate.
I thought that the cinema broken to a round of
applause when that happened, and then I looked at the
(32:42):
year on it, and I couldn't possibly have been in
the cinema when that movie came out. What I remembered
was that I was in a pub talking to someone
and that was on the TV, and I said, my
dad loves this movie, and then everyone in the pub
started watching the opening, and then everyone in the pub
gave it a round of applause, just like drunk people
giving a round of applause to that's even better. I know,
it's yeah, But then I had I had, I had
(33:04):
fused the memory of being at the center and with
my dad with a random applause, like I've just rewritten
the memory. And then I've gone, oh, that never happened.
What did so? What did I answer? Oh, pink panther,
you said the pink panthers again, But I don't know
what happened. Oh, that's just watching with my dad. That's
just watching it with my That's such a yeah. And
I still find all of the Peter Sellers that the
Cluso they just get just because of how much my
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dad loved it. My dad would he would laugh so
hard and it became this collective hysteria that I was
catching his laughter. I mean, it's really funny on its own,
and you know, I still love it. At the opening
with I think it's I can't remember because I've seen
all of them too many times. But the one that
starts with Herbert lom in the psychiatric asylum, and it
starts with Clusa going to visit him, it is so goddamn.
(33:51):
It is just so funny, and my watching it with
my dad is fifty percent of that joy. Yes, genuinely,
I was going to hurt my heart. Okay, here we go. Look,
I mean the problem is if you make me say
just look me in the eyes. What is the film
that you found the sexiest? Now look away? Oh, I mean,
(34:15):
do you remember? No, it's I'll tell you what I
think of your answer. This is an answer of someone
in front of an audist. The answer is brief. In
Canter Camon Camon, I got something in my eye because
they never did it. No, no, but very disappointed. There
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was something very sexy about how forbidden it was, and
how everything was not allowed and everything that they were
doing was. So I think that's really sexy. I think
when you're actually watching two people at it, it's a bit. Oh.
I never watch a sex like if I like, if
I want to watch sex, I'll watch a porno. But
if I watch sex and people having sex, I generally
(35:03):
I often find myself going, yeah, that's a lot. That's
a lot to take on body heat. For example, a
lot of people are like, oh body heat. I just
get so embarrassed for everyone. I'm like, oh my lord,
So I find what I can't see and what's what's
what's withheld? I find that a lot sexier as opposed
to watching actual fucking, which is totally different. Have you
(35:24):
seen beef in cantor in The idea is fucking. So
the ending of it is horrific. Yeah, it's devastating. I'm
really devastating. Yeah, incredible. Just it's a it's it's a
post World War two Britain, really depressing landscape. Black. It's
David Lane. It's David Lean film, and it's a married
(35:44):
man and a married woman meet in a train station
and they keep meeting up and they fall in love,
and they decide they're going to meet and have sex.
He says, I've got this friend who has an apartment.
You imagine this is like post World War two Britain.
For him to actually say we can go somewhere and
have sex and her to go okay, just would not happen, right,
And they go to the apartment of of of this friend,
(36:07):
and then the friend unexpectedly comes back and she has
to run down the fire escape and she's so ashamed,
she is so embarrassed and she feels degraded. And he
runs downstairs and he says, I'm so sorry that we
can come here another time, and she says, I can't
do this, like the way I feel right now, I
can't do this. I can't do it to my husband
and my kids. I just can't do this. And so
(36:28):
he goes. So that's it. She's like, yeah, but I
just can't. And so he takes a job in South Africa,
I think is the way. He's kind of removed from
the scene. And then they just have to say goodbye.
He just says goodbye her at a trans they get interrupted.
That's the worst by the woman. Yeah, they speak and
there's maybe back then, Hello, helloa is anyone alive back
(36:49):
in the day? Did real people talk about that? I
think about that a lot, walking around with everyone like, hey,
it's deadily nice. Yeah it did. Everyone actually speak very staccato.
But I love it because he welcome to Sainsbiece, was it? Yeah?
I try. I try really hard to do it because
I love It's my favorite accent, and I love asking
people to do it, like my cheek brushes the little
(37:11):
cows bouncing on the back of his head really good.
They say happy, happy, and then say happy, you do
know what's happened to you? We've fallen in love. They're
so fast. They talked so fast, but they were so
buttoned up and constricted, and in the context of where
Britain was post World War two, like they were just
(37:32):
so were There weren't any nice things, you know, everything
was rationed, and and this this love that kind of
sprang up between them, and then that it never happened.
They just had to say goodbye. And as they're saying goodbye,
this incredibly irritating woman joins them. It's like, hello, I've
just been to sainsbiece. Yeah, and say goodbye really politely
in front of each other, and then they're never going
(37:53):
to see each other again. And interestingly, The Apartment, the
Billy Wilder film, he wrote that I'm insane a brief
encounter and he's like, who's this best friend who has
an apartment they're going to go and have sex in. Well,
they've got a friend who's gone take my keys and
you can use my apartment to have sex in it,
(38:15):
And then he wrote the apartment, so, yeah, you that's
an interesting character. Yeah, the guy just gives his keys
out for people to have elicit sexing. I love I
love the Genesis. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah,
what you've described in Briton Canda does sound fucking fit?
What if there's a there's a subcategory? Yeah, someone on
(38:40):
Twitter or something the other day, I know on the
actual on the podcast at the bottom, I've asked people
to let leave reviews, but don't leave a review. Tell
me about a film you like. Whatever someone wrote the
other day. I couldn't fault it, they said. My favorite
thing on the podcast is when Brett is uncomfortable to
ask the sexiest film question and acts as if someone
else has written it and he has to read, Yeah,
(39:02):
what's this right, I'll say it? What's the the subcategory? Traveling? Bonus, worrying?
Why don't yeah, the film you found arousing you probably
shouldn't have? You had no answer, I do. I haven't
got no shame. Well, there's nothing that there isn't a
film that I go, well, that's worrying. I just go
(39:25):
like if if something, if I do find it like
a turn on. I can't think of anything that springs
to mind where I go, oh, shouldn't have though, that's bad.
I don't know if that means I'm a narcissus. No,
I think it means you've got a very healthy. Well,
what can you give me an example, because I feel
like someone's gonna like, I feel like it's a gag
question for a gag answer. No, what it is is
(39:46):
me hunting, hunting p days and that's all I'm doing.
I'm doing the Lord's work. And all you have to
all anyone asked to say it's there in black, all
anyone else say it's the Little Mermaid, and we go
and we move on. But if someone goes, I don't know,
I go pay Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean I remember
thinking blue like, I thought Blue Lagoon was, Oh, but
(40:09):
then I was age appropriate when I saw it. I
was like a young I was like a preteen. Yeah,
that's absolutely right for a pre like if I was
an adult watching Blue Lagoon, going, that's worrying for that
age group. What's worrying is that a lot of adults
went to see Yeah. Yeah, but that's it. I mean, no,
I can't think of anything that I go, oh, I
should never have felt that. Okay, yeah, that's all right. Yeah,
(40:30):
I think So, what's an example of something that someone
else has said? Jessica Rabbit, No, I don't fund that sex,
not into that. No, Okay, it feels like a gag answer,
though I don't think they're being genuine. No, they probably
are apeado, but at least they're going, Yeah, at least
they're going they made an effort. Yeah, yeah. Why is
(40:53):
the film he most relate to. I don't know what
did I say? You said? He said a lot of
John Hughes, and then he picked specifically sixteen Candles. Yeah,
a lot of John Hughes. Yeah, yeah, a lot of
John Hughes. Because when I was when I was a
teenager at a lot of the stuff I'm talking about
is when I was a teenager, which is interesting, but
(41:14):
as a teenager, I felt like that was the first
time I was seeing stuff that felt representative of not
quite fitting in and it being okay, or being funny,
or feeling a bit different, like sixteen Candles, which I
think is actually a bit racist. I think there's like
there is the wacky Chinese exchange student. So that's you know,
it hasn't not all. It has aged brilliantly, But like
(41:34):
the Molly Ringwald character in that even though she had this,
the ending to that film is ridiculous, as anyone says,
I'm not talking about like everyone say Sixteen Candles, Jake Ryan.
Oh my god, you like Kick Ryan. So she likes
Jake Ryan, who's the most handsome and he's about forty.
By the way, the actor who plays Jake Ryan, it
is ridiculous. Michael Schuffling was his name, didn't go on
(41:56):
to stay in show business. I think he makes furniture
now anyway. From Michael Schafflin. Yeah, i'd be like what
he was also in Mermaids. Mermaids is a great film. Yeah,
But I loved in Sixteen Candles that she wasn't like
the most popular and even though she was a very
(42:16):
like she's a very beautiful actress, but they made out
like she kind of was the odd bod who didn't
quite fit in, and these wonderful things happened to her
in the film. I think there might also be a questionable,
almost roofy style incident in the film that's played as comedy.
That's the other problem with these these films. A lot
of the stuff hasn't aged, Like even Breakfast Club. Yeah
it's a terrible yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And Molly Ringwald
(42:39):
has spoken about that and how you know, there is
problematic stuff in there. But I think for me seeing
sixteen candles and seeing a character who didn't quite fit in,
but that's what made her so likable and what made
her a strong character. I think for teenage me, that
was a really exciting thing to see. And she wasn't blonde,
you know, she had dyed red hair. But yeah, I
(42:59):
remember kind of feeling that maybe good things could happen
like that. Yeah, it's very nice. Thanks and they did.
Wonderful things have happened to me. And they did, they did,
and they did. What is the film objectively that you
think is the greatest film of all time? Objectively the
pinnacle of cinema might not be your favorite, it's the greatest,
(43:20):
you know it because it's objectively the greatest. I think
I might have answered tutsie, you did. Yeah, I did.
I did. And that's not like a controversial what because
I think that that is constantly like at the top
of the greatest comedies ever written. And you know, and
we're talking about this earlier. I'm not sure how that
(43:41):
has aged in terms of if it's trans how it
is towards trans right, I don't know if they're I
watched it last night, okay to check it out. Yeah,
I'm no expert. No, we're not experts, because I was
surprised how new once did it was. It isn't like played.
It's not a joke. He's not like a joke woman. No,
(44:02):
he's not like I'm a joke. Like it's taken quite seriously.
It's feminine. He discovers his feminine saying, I think the
one thing that maybe has dated is that basically it
is a film about a man who takes jobs from
women and then man explains to them how hard their
lives are. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. That's the bit.
(44:23):
Yeah that was Oh now I understand it's a bit
hard for you. Yeah, yes, shitead. You should all fight back.
You can't because I've got your job, but you should
if you had my job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is Again,
this is another context thing. When I used to my
grandmother only had three VHS videos at her house, and
one of them was Tutsie, and so I would and
(44:44):
back in the day like when I was, when I was,
we only had two channels where I grew up, and
I would spend a lot of time at my grandma's
house and I'd often just watch Tutsie. It was the
only thing to it, and I loved it. I loved
it so much. I thought it was so funny. So
I've seen it maybe thirty times in my life, and
every time I go back to it, I can't get
over how how good every line in that film is,
(45:07):
every character, every beat of the story. It's just And
when you see the people who did the rewrites, I mean,
I think Barry Levinson did a pass on it. Elane
Made did a pass on it. Larry Gelbart is I
think he's credited as Larry Gelbart devised mash and he
was always He was also part of I think the
Sid Caesar group, so he was in with mel Brooks
(45:28):
and Carl Reiner and all those guys. So Larry Gelbart
writes it. But you've got the great comedy minds coming
in and doing a joke pass on it, I mean,
getting getting Elane Made to do a joke pass on
your script. But I just I think it is such
a perfect comed He's got so much heart. It's a
it's a good love story. And there's certain stuff that
they get away with, like the whole Jeopardy of the
(45:51):
final scene where Dustin Hoffman is improvising live on television
and when you see the film again and again, how
much heavy lifting they put into the idea that they're
going to be live to wear Yeah, and you see
this kind of oh, blah blah, i's been drinking around
the editing equipment again, we might have to go live,
you know, And they put it in through the script.
(46:14):
And then this one of the actors who can't possibly
do a live recording, like they keep on saying, oh,
no, no no, I can't, I can't do a live recording.
And then when Dustin Hoffman does the final scene where
he's improvising live on television, how carefully they've planted that
idea through the script, and then your brain buys that
that could have that that could possibly happen, because it
(46:37):
is it's a script fudge. There are certain things that
you know when you're writing a script where you go,
I'm just going to have to fudge that bit. I
don't know how I'm going to do it, but it's
a little plot thing I'm going to have to get
people over the line with. Yeah, it's quite unbelievable that
they would have to have done that same live, but
they needed that to happen. I think's unbelievable. Is that
it's the end of his job. If you've seen he
(46:57):
takes off his thing and goes, I'm your brad that
or something, and then I'm like, yeah, you'd want to
keep watching that. Yeah, yeah, why has he lost his job?
That's a great twist in the soap, right, he's now
the brother. Great, thanks for the writing. In another year, yes,
but then then we have to yes, yeah, actually that
would have made it. It is interesting that he then
loses everything at that point where it really should have.
That's a really good point. Wow. And I thought that
(47:19):
all those scriptwriters knew what they were doing. Is I mean,
this isn't funny? I finally interesting. I saw him interview
with Dustn't help him in a couple of years ago.
Another one you're about to where he starts crying because
he's talking about Tutsi, talking about making tutsi and he said,
I learned so much doing that. I was devastated because
I was an ugly woman, And he said, I was surprised.
(47:41):
I thought i'd be fit, And he said, and when
I put on all the stuff, I was ugly. And
he said, and you notice how few people talk to
me and were interested in me? And I realized all
the women that might have been amazing in my life
that I'd ignored because they were ugly, like I am
as a woman. I saw that and my first my
first thought was he's just trying to get more pussy. Yeah,
(48:03):
I'm like the guys, I fucking genius. It never occurred
to you, not once. It never occurred to you once
that an unattracted woman might have something interesting to say
until you became an ugly woman. Fuck off, mate, I
just didn't buy it. I'm like, you're a very bright man,
and you're being very manipulative right now. But if he's
(48:24):
doing it for your word pussy, then I'm if I'm
that woman and he starts changing on like, oh am
I ugly, then it's this way you're now. Yeah. But
also I know the clicking in it was when it
was the AFI when he was being into the Hall
of Fame. Yeah, and he starts crying in the middle
of this speech, and I was just like, nah, mate,
(48:46):
this is it was so calculated. I get it, Like,
I'm sure there was some kind of like yeah realization there,
but you'd have to have zero humanity and zero brains
for that to be the first person that had occurred
to you that maybe it's not like only hot women
have got something interesting to say? Oh what really? Yeah?
And he was quite old at that, but he'd been
(49:07):
around a while, just not talking to attack so many years.
I love the way he told the story though, because
he said he did the makeup test, and they did.
They put him in the full Dorothy Michael's outfit and
he went, yeah, that's really good, but I want to
be prettier. And the hair and makeup team were like
(49:27):
and the way he described it was they said to him,
that's your lot, Charlie. This is the best we've got
with the current technology we have makeup and wigs. And
how how stunde he was. But there's so many great
lines in that. You know that when the in twits you,
when the director says, I want to make a look
a little prettier, how fun can you move back and says,
(49:49):
how do you feel about Cleveland? Oh? Yeah, pretty funny.
It's good stuff. What's the film you could or have?
What's the most over and over again? Well my first
answer to that was it was again it was going
to be twitchy again because I don't want to have
seen the most but what did I say. You said
good Fellas or Aliens? Yeah, I can watch Honestly. I
remember getting in from a gig years ago and it
(50:10):
was two am. I'd done a preview. I've done a
one hour preview and driven back from like it was
out and I thought, I'm just gonna have a snack
and go to bed, and good Fellas was on, and
I thought, I'll just watch five minutes, and then next
thing I knew, it was like three am. I watched
the whole thing. I cannot sit down at any point
in good Fellas and get up and leave the room.
You know, nis Kumo and I have pitched to show
(50:32):
it's a Channel five yeah called good Luck, not watching
good Fellas. You see anyone down, they're given a task, jeez,
and then you put good Fellas on at any point
good Luck. It's incredible and they win a million if
they walk away. Yeah, yeah, that's great. Good it's a
good gas in it. Yeah. No, it doesn't matter how
(50:52):
tired I am, and it doesn't matter what point in
the film is. I can just It's just I'm not
sure if this is apocryphal, but someone told me that
when Goodfellas came out it was around the time, so
MTV had really changed the way film like films were
having to get snappier and faster, and camera like just
the length of shot was getting shorter and shorter because
of the way music videos were increasing the pace of
(51:14):
images that people were expecting per minute, basically, and the
studio had said to Scorsese's something along the lines of,
we need it to be faster pace, we need the
work to be faster pace. And he said, I'll show
you fast now. I don't know if that's a true story,
but he basically just and the film just fucking flights.
Incredible and again, great soundtrack, like you can pinpoint each
(51:38):
piece of music for where it's used in the in
the you know, like Layla, the way you use Layla
so great. And the comedy and its fantastic. He's such
a the guy, the wig guy yea with the ad
you know they cut to his ad for wigs and
him jumping in and out of the pool in the
middle of this gangster film. It's like a little comedy bit.
It's just yeah, it's great. I'm going to wrap up
(52:00):
this section. You've been absolutely wonderful. Thank you so much,
So we'll do a part two. However, when you went
abseiling and you were like, I am not doing this,
and then everyone's like, do it, and you went, I'll
do it. But if I'm doing it, I'm doing it
like the best because I care too much. And anyway,
you arrived, everyone said we hear you, carrall lot, and
(52:20):
you went to I don't give a shit, and you
checked everything three times. You checked the cariboo not which
you knew about weirdly, and then cariboo lock. Yeah. Yeah,
it's like a labor that goes like that, goes in
woods like that. Yeah, you've done your research. And you
were you, I don't want to die. I don't want
to die, and you checked it three times and then
you started abseiling, and then the cariboo. Luck that you've
(52:42):
got an eBay. It turned out was old and it
broke and you fell a long, long, long way, but
you did not die, and it was horrible, horrible, A
lot of pain took you to hospital. I was on
the group thread. Everyone was like, she's fine, she's a fighter, fight,
she'll be she's coming back. We'll see her gigging soon.
(53:02):
And then suddenly, Emma, it's so dark and you you
would you slowly again, but slowly died of it. Didn't
take me out quickly, No, no, no, it was six months.
It was sort of withering and then you were dead.
And it was not a good six months. And the
very little bod day was harder than the last. Yeah. Yeah,
people stopped, people stopped visiting because it was bleak. And
(53:23):
then anyway, you you you died people that I looked
on that text threat and I was like, no one's
messaged on he ages. It was just has left the
chat chat one by one. Yeah. Yeah, I started sending
funny memes just to spice it up a bit. Anyway,
I started wondering, what has happened to say Kenda. We
(53:44):
were going to do a part two. I walked by
the hospital. There you are. You Not only had your
friends abound you, but so had the medical staff. They'd
forgotten not only she doing she's a real down Yeah,
covering cobwebs and shit. Things had been eating at you.
It was real, like twenty eight days later, and when
people complain about you know, it's like you had your
own room. Yeah, interestingly with golden stuff. If things were
(54:06):
eating at me, they might have been eating the necrotic flesh,
hence saving my life. But god, yeah, but it wasn't that.
But anyway, you're a fucking I'm walking along with my coffin,
you know what I'm like, And I see, I'm like,
it's all over the walls. It's spread, You've spread, and
so I have to scoop you up with a spatula
(54:27):
and the knife, have to chop you up. Yeah, I
mean sorry, but it's the truth, and I have to
put you in this coffin, smash you in. This coffin
is rammed. There's so much more than I as expecting.
There is only enough room in the coffin to slide
one DVD in the side of you, a few to
take across to the other side. And on the other side.
It's movie night. Every night, one night, it's your movie night.
What film are you taking to show everyone in heaven
(54:48):
when it's your movie night? Sarah Kendall, go, who's afraid
of Virginia Wolf? I fucking love it? Yeah, who's afraid
of Virginia Wolf? Absolutely? Yes, I mean some people. She
hates the fish, she hates it. She was pro Manhattan,
but she's leaving out. I love that film. Yeah, I
(55:10):
remember there was a text that I did in high school.
I was seventeen, Yeah, and we were sort of instructed
to get the go to the video store and rent
it out if you could, and watch it. This is
this is showing age, you know, And that's how we
used to do things back in those days. And I
got the movie and I got the VHS and I
watched it, and for me, that was the absolute awakening
(55:34):
in me that I wanted to work in script or
film or anything. I was so electrified. I was so thrilled,
and and I was confused for bits, but in a
good way, like when when you're not sure about their
son and you're like, something's going on with their son.
Was going on with their son, and their performances was
(55:54):
so visceral, and their fights and the funny and and
I watched it, and I just went back and watched
it again. I watched it again and again and again,
and I felt like that's when everything, something just ignited.
I just knew that that's what I wanted to do
with my life, anything anything to do with that, be
(56:14):
it acting or writing or I didn't want to be
a director because the hours are too long, and I
knew that back then, but I just I thought, I
just want to be a part of that and the
way it's making me feel watching this weightlessness. And I
don't think any of the like Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor,
don't think they ever did anything as good before or after.
It was just this piece of work that was I
(56:36):
just want to be part of that kind of marriage.
I want to be in a marriage like that. That's
the kind of marriage I wanted also. But also, you know,
like what you get interested in, it always leads to something.
What's the word I'm looking for. There's a sort of
like a food chain, so I sort of went, so
who directed this? It was Mike Nichols, And then I
was like, oh, Mike Nichols the Graduate and Mike Nichols
(56:58):
working Girl, and like Nichols posts from the edge, like
it sets you off on another person's work. And then
I got really interested in Mike Nichols, and then his
double act with Elaine May like that then started to
get me interested in their comedy and the improv that
they did, like everything led to something that interested me more,
and I love I love pretty much all. I can't
(57:19):
think of many of Mike Nichols's films that I don't love,
but you sort of wolf Catch twenty two. I like it.
You like Catch Train too. I didn't mind it no exactly,
but it could have been it like it could have
been the greatest. It wasn't, but I do. I just
kind of felt like, Who's afraid of Virginia? Then led
me to being interested in his work, and that has
(57:41):
really affected the kind of comedy that I try to write.
I think, ladies and gentlemen, please she You've been more
wonderful than I could ever have dreamtause. Thank you. I
(58:01):
love the The final moment that the podcasts opously played
out will just be Sara, Honestly, you don't mean that
fuck yourself through the applause that you've asked for, right,
So I will finish official, the official recording. You've been genuinely,
I cannot express how much it means that you all
showed out. Is fucking great and thank you. So let's
(58:22):
finish this properly. So that was the eighth live episode.
Thank you so much to Sarah for being so excellent.
Thanks thanks thanks to Ben Williams and Nami Parnell and
the whole Underbelly crew here today thanks to Scrubious Pipping
(58:43):
the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Piece for producing it,
thanks to a Cus for hosting it, thanks to Adam
Richardson but the graphics, Lisa Aliden for the photography, and
most of all, thank you all for being here today.
It does mean a lot. Have a lovely week and
please be excellent to each other. So that was a
(59:35):
rewind classic. Thank you all for listening. I hope you're
all well. I'll be back next week with another one
of these, and then soon I'll be putting out some
new episodes. I've got some bangers in their bank. Oh yeah.
Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing this, thanks to a
Gas for hosting you. Thanks to Listen Photography, Adam Richard
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for listening, and in the meantime, have a lovely week
(59:58):
and please now more never be excellent to each other
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Brett Goldstein and that's it in it you know what
(01:03):
I mean. Enjoy your lives. Hope you're all well as
love I very much hope you enjoy this Rewinds classic. Hello,
and welcome to Films to be Buried With. My name
is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer,
(01:25):
a director, a pomegranite seed, and I love film. As
Mark Twain once said, whenever you find yourself on the
side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.
For example, remember when Batman Versus Superman dawner Justice came
out and everyone was like, this is shit. But then
you took a step back and looked at it from
a big picture point of view and realized, Hey, that
Zack Snyder had in fact used big Hollywood money to
(01:46):
make a German, expressidistic film about how if only all
people's mums had the same name, we could all just
get along. And it's actually a kind of masterpiece that Wow,
I can't believe. The same guy who write Tom Sawyer
also sees the many levels of Man v. Superman, Dawn
of Justice, Martha. Every week I'm invite a special guests over.
I tell them they've died, then I get them to
(02:08):
discuss their life through the films that meant the most
of them. Previous guests include Sharon Stone, January Jones, Lolli,
Adam Phobe, and even Petty Crambell's himself. I'm fucking connected, guys.
I don't know. I just met him once and things
happened anyway. This week's episode comes live from the Underbelly Festival,
(02:29):
in this incredible Spiegel tent, with this audience. It's good stuff,
and tonight my special guest is an award winning comedian,
a writer, a radio star, a TV star, an actor,
a storyteller, contributor, a motherlander, a showrunner, a human person,
and most importantly of all, the owner of a giant
(02:50):
gold statue of Greg Davy's head. Please welcome to the stage.
The tremendous, the hilarious, to profound, the musical, the legend,
the Taskmaster's joined. It's only Sarah Cando. Nobody saw her
(03:12):
us touch. Hello Sarah, Hi Brett, how are you very well?
Thank you so much for doing the show. It's my pleasure.
It's taking your while to invite me on. Yes, so
we had it. We had a pandemic and we did
and I think you did actually did try to get
me before the pen. We weren't meant to do it
for the pandemic and it fell apart, so you've had
(03:32):
a long time to think. Yeah, okay, so Sarah, you
have been doing very well. Yeah, I've been smashing it.
You made a show called Fraid. Has anyone seen Fraid?
Oh my god? I just assumed no one's seeing it
and there wasn't many people, and I was still over
the moon. Like seven people. I'm like, guys, oh my god, Right,
(03:56):
you have to watch this show because it's fucking brilliant.
And it's set in Australia. Yeah, yep. And it is
so specific. Yeah, if I may say, yeah, it's very,
very specific. It's very I don't do broad comedy. It's
not broadcasts. I'm not into it. It's specific, yeah, but
it's what I did want to know is it's about
where you're from, right, it's set where you're from. Yeah,
and it ain't particularly glowing about where you're from. And
(04:19):
they wondered what the people where you're from have made
of your show? Like it? I don't like it. And
when we're filming because the problem, because it's said in
the nineteen eighties where I grew up has become quite
gentrified now, so we can't really film a lot of
stuff there because it looks turned nice now because in
the eighties it was a shit pit, but now you know,
like it's doing quite well. So we have to we
(04:40):
have to find like the shitty places to go on film,
and when we do go there to film, people tell
us to get fucked, Like, you know, you have to
close off a road for a scene or something. People
will just be on the outside of frame, calling us can't.
It's just they really don't like us. Yeah, which is
quite right because I present it as a town that's
a bit ship and then when we're filming, we actually
(05:01):
have people in the background telling us to get fucked.
I'm like, this is very on brand, absolutely, Yeah. One
thing I did want it as well, Right if you've noticed,
it's six hours the first season, and this person here
wrote it all on their own, which as someone who
has written but has written stuff with ten other people. Yeah,
but I think that would be I would find that
(05:23):
harder going. Well, No, I just I feel like I
know exactly what I want it to look like, whereas
if I was working with other people, I'd have to
manage those relationships and the amount of trust that it
takes to kind of I was saying that recently, I
tained to Sharon Horgan about the same thing about how
I feel like every decision that you make when you're
(05:43):
writing a script, everything's up for grabs. Literally, anything can
happen in the story. You're thinking it up as you go.
I kind of feel like another person could argue me
around quite easily, because I do. It's just a debatable point.
No matter how hard you dig in on your idea.
I'm never completely sure that my ideas right idea. But
what I don't want to do is make someone else's mistake. Yes,
(06:04):
that's my fear is that I would go, yeah, actually
you're quite right and get persuaded. Not that my idea
was great, but if your idea is not the right one,
I don't want to make your mistake. That's that's kind
of my So your secrets locked the door, and then
you get your idea, jah, your own cares, grow, your turnails.
Yeah really, all of that that very much? Yeah, I thought,
(06:26):
what about Taskmaster? Did you watch Taskmaster? Shony? When the fucker? Yeah?
How was that? At first? It was fun, and then
I started to take it very seriously. It's like a
really strange psychological experiment that you start to care. Yeah,
like you actually start to care about whether you can
eat three thousand Poppa doms and say metronome after each pipe.
(06:49):
Darm you, I really want to do this, whereas at
the beginning of you that'll be so stupid, But then
halfway through you're like, not only do I want to
do it, well, I want to beat the other four people.
So I feel like it's very true of life that
whatever the goalposts are, you suddenly just start wanting it. Yeah.
And I really didn't care at first, and then I
really cared so much so that I felt like I
(07:10):
was like psyching myself up before tasks. I'd be wandering
and going, come on, you can do this. It is
utterly joyless. Oh great, it's how I do everything I
care too much and wreck any enjoyment I could possibly have. Yeah,
it's a fucked way to live. I'm not going to lie.
Is that how you do relationships? Yeah, it's very related
(07:31):
how I do everything I care too much? And then
yeah because they say yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. The
thing that you learn with stand up is the only
way to really get good at stand up is to
do it so much that you don't give a fuck. Yeah,
And it's a lie. It's a lot, it's hard, and
you've got to do so much of it before you
get to the point where you walk out and you go,
I just don't care. That's the only way you can
(07:52):
be a good stand up. It's true. It's true of
life too. You've got to get to that point. It's
really hard to get to that point. It is hard
when you're in a relationship to nail that relationship by
going up to the person again. I don't care, just
so you know, yes, you can move in, but I
don't care. Yeah, that's yeah, Yeah, that's yeah, that's my secret. Yeah.
(08:12):
Oh shit, what what's happened? What? Oh? No? Oh shit?
The bed what I've made a terrible error. You've printed
up the wrong No, no, no, it's all there. I
just I probably printed it in the wrong order. I
should have told you this up top. It doesn't matter.
I've forgotten to tell you something. I feel like an
(08:34):
absolute dick. I'm gonna look bad just bringing this on you,
but fuck you. I'll just say it. You've died. You're dead, Okay, okay,
how did you die? What was your death? Um? That's
the look of someone who didn't realize the format. You
(09:00):
had the same look that taxi driver ahead on the
BBC News when he realized, yes, I am dead. How
did I die? Yeah? It's up to you. It's um,
I reckon it's going to be It'll be a students
a stupid death. It'll be a stupid death. Okay. Yeah.
The reason I say this because this isn't the reason
(09:22):
why it's a really good question is because it really
makes you think about how you feel about death, doesn't it.
Because you kind of think the way I die has
got to be reflective of the way I've lived in
some way. So I think I'll die being really really careful,
but still dying even though I'm being super careful. So
it'll be like I will have checked. Like it'll be
like an ab sailing incident. I don't ab saile, but
(09:43):
I'll be the one person on the one ab side
the one time I ab sail and I triple check
the equipment, but one of the caribou locks I didn't check,
or something. That'll be the way I'm taken out. It'll
be like a one in a million thing where I
was very careful and I went, Okay, I'll do it,
but which it's going to make sure it's safe, and
then I'll still die. She fell off a wall. Probably, Yeah,
(10:03):
it'd be something like that. Yeah, And it'll be just
at the point I'm starting to enjoy the activity, so
I'll be not enjoying going this shot. I wish I'd
never come his dumb and rock climbing is dumb. And
then I was like, actually, this is not bad. This
is actually okay. And then something will happen with the
equipment and then I'll be instant death. I hope so,
but I'll probably not probably, but like a lot of
(10:26):
just bleeding out on the on the cliff. Look, it
could be it could be weeks in hospital. It could
be weeks in hospital where I rally for a bit,
you know, like your rally, and everyone's like, she's going
to make it through. She's going to make Yeah. Yeah,
I always said Sarah was a fighter. They'll be that
kind of she pretends, she pretends not to care, but
she does. She does. Yeah, and then something else. It
(10:48):
would be like a secondary infection to the primaries the
primary site. Yeah right, yeah, I'll get golden staff, Like
so I will have recovered from the majority of the
injuries that I incurred, and then I'll get golden staff
and it'll be like, ah, this and then because my
mother may I just say, well, I love at this
(11:09):
point is the people who don't know the podcast, who
were like, what the fuck is this show? This fascinates
me though, because my mother. I was raised by a
mother who basically, death is everywhere. You've got to be
very very careful. Death is everywhere. Like my mum's favorite
stories are about moles that didn't get checked, or someone
who thought it was just a headache but it wasn't. Like.
(11:30):
That's her favorite genre of anecdote. And I've been I've
been raised. But she texted me the other day there
was that awful collapse of the building in Miami, and
my mum she rang and she said, I've been thinking
about this and I don't think that you should go
into new build high rises. They've built too many of
them too quickly. And I was like, so, what buildings
(11:50):
do you think I should go into? And she said,
I just I don't know. Just nothing, nothing after the
nineteen eighties. I said, but why the nineteen eighties? Said well,
there was a time of excess and things were just
built too fast. But that's the way she lives. She
tries to gather the data. What can I learn from this?
She texted me this story about a guy in turkey
who fell into a vat of chicken soup. He was
(12:11):
trying to prepare it for a wedding. It's great, right,
that's a good debt. So she said, you know, man
died falling into a vat of chicken soup preparing for
a wedding, and then she ended the text message with
it really makes you think. But what does it make
you think? What? Don't go to turkey, don't go to weddings,
don't cook chicken soup. What do I glean from this
(12:34):
so that I don't die the same way? Yeah, I'll
be honest that we'll be thinking about that. Imagine what
imagine that guy's day. Imagine you like tasty and ask good?
She asked good? And a bit more spice. Just you know,
you're getting thinking about everyone's going to love my chickens
fucking falling in and die. No, No, I don't think.
I don't know. Mum would have included that. She would
(12:55):
have loved that detail if it was his weddings. Fuck,
she would have That's that's that's really, that's that's the
probably because you have to announce that to the guests,
like I'm say, like, it's difficult. Please don't laugh. Yeah,
it's difficult. He's there, yeah dead, Yeah, Oh my god,
he fell into chickens. Yeah yeah, yeah, if no one
(13:15):
was surprised. Yeah, that sounds like the sort of thing
in right. Do you worry about death all the time?
I think about it NonStop. I'm so worried about it. Okay,
And the older I get, the more I worry about it.
You know, I'm forty five now, and this is the
age where shit starts going wrong with people. You know.
Do you hear about blah blah? No what, I'm just
(13:36):
hearing more of those stories, and I'm like, my num
is going to be up soon. Can't bear it? Sorry,
Welcome to the shape. Welcome. So what do you think
happens when you die? Though? After life? For you? Sadly? No,
I don't think so, No, I don't. I mean, and
that would sweeten the pill, wouldn't it. I mean, that's
the whole fucking point is to go, well, I led
(13:56):
a good life and I'll see all those people that
I love. But who are we kidding? The chances of
that being true are statistically just you know, because of
negligent the terrible things you don't famously not a racist,
but all the terrible things. You don't you think, you
just think there's nothing. No, I just not going to
the bad place. You're not going anywhere. Well, I don't know.
I don't know, but I feel it's unlikely. It feels
(14:18):
unlikely to me. But I think that's sort of you know,
like the magic of here and now is that you
know you have to absolutely. I mean, even though I
don't live in the present and I reck it constantly
by worrying, but you should try to live in the
present and enjoy this on the understanding that it's probably
all there is, you know, the afterlife thing. And it's
a nice idea, but I doubt it. I ever told
you my theory that enlightenment is fucking boring. Oh, it's
(14:42):
a pile of shit. I do find, I told you earlier.
I've I've been doing karate. I do find karate is
a really good way to get mindful, because all you
can think about is either not getting hit ye or
hitting And it's a simplicity to that where you're going,
I'm just going to try to block this person's hit,
and I'm just going to try to hit them. That's
the most mindful I can get so your meditation is
(15:04):
kicking his shirt or trying to stop them kicking the
shit out of me to block as much of their
as I can. But that's actually made me very calm.
I find that like a really kind of calm, calm
states be in. I took on this fourteen year old
and because there's his kid, and did you win? No,
he was a fucking animal. He was unbelievable. So i'man
(15:28):
in my class. I'm going for my first belt in
a couple of weeks. And I was with like, it's
really like you want to get it. It's like taskmaster
Now I want a belt, you know, because like the
belts will go into different sections of the class, and
I was with like the white belts and the no
belts and the Red belts, and the red belts are
still pretty good. But I was with this fourteen year
old kid and he had his boxing gloves on and
he went fucking ballistic on me, like he was punching
(15:50):
and hitting so hard and just went for it. And
I was so angry at him, and I was like
blocking as much as I could, and then I started
hitting him back because I was like I can annoyed.
But then I suddenly realized that I was the happiest
I've been for weeks. I was like, I'm not worrying
about death. Yeah, for the first time, Like all I've
(16:11):
been thinking about was like how worried I am about dying?
And it absolutely took my mind off it. So enlightenment.
You is kicking the ship of a fourteen year old point, well,
if he's hitting me, I'm not judging, and he's showing
off to this sense like he kept on punching and
then looking over to see if the sense I was watching.
I was like, I know what you're doing. You're trying
to impress the sense. It felt so good when I
(16:32):
when I hit him and he went out, and I
was like, well I got good news. Yep. There is
a heaven you're scraping in because of all the violence
to children and called enlightenment. And then this heaven is great,
filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Movies? Okay?
And am I doing? You're catching up? You're doing for
(17:00):
ten points in this heaven. You're very welcome. Everyone's a
big fan. I DELI to see you, but they want
to talk about your life through the medium of film. Okay,
and The first thing they ask is what's the first
film you remember seeing? What did I answer? So, just
to be clear, I didn't give her the answers, but
she sent me answers ages ago and then tell me
(17:21):
today that she'd forgotten him, so I will be Yeah,
it was six weeks ago. You said, you said Jaws.
I said Jaws, and I'm pretty sure that I qualified
that saying that cannot be like, that's the first cinematic
experience that I remember. I don't think it was my first. Okay, movie,
but that's the one that feels the most vivid in
(17:43):
my memories. Where were you? I can't answer that, Okay,
I don't know. I genuinely don't know. I can't tell you.
It was an undisclosed location I worked for, Moss said
briefly in the in the late seventies. Yeah. Right, Well,
and you had a little break popped the cinema. They said,
(18:04):
take the afternoon off, sir, And I was like, are
you guys sure you have been killing it? I'm very
happy with your work. Yeah, go and catch a movie. Yeah,
And I said, I'm going to go and see a
Spielberg movie because I was in Mos said, I'm going
to see a Spielberg. No, like, so you went to
a cinema with your family on your right. It couldn't
(18:24):
have been a cinema because it was like it Gays
came out in nineteen seventy seven, so it couldn't possibly
have been a cinema. I was born in nineteen seventy six,
so it must have been on video or on the
television in the eighties. I think you loved it. I did.
I loved it because where I grew up, like I
grew up right next to the beach, there was a
lot of swimming. We were always swimming in the surf.
We did a thing in a stray called Little Nippers
(18:45):
and Little Nippers is every Sunday morning we'd go and
do surf life saving down at the beach. You like
saving surface surf life saving, you're saving the lives of
specifically surface anyone else they were life saving in the surfy.
You're saving people from the surf. Right, stop surfing. Yeah,
(19:09):
I mean that's the obvious thing to do is to
not swim in the ocean, right, right, right, But people
love swimming in the ocean. Yeah, they travel for hours
to swim in the ocean. So it really sort of
resonated with me just because of the lifestyle that I had,
which was very beach orientated, and there was a story
about an enormous shark that couldn't really be stopped. So
I I just in terms of my imagination and how
(19:31):
it affected me, And I was so frightened that we
had a pool. Even when I was in the pool,
I would be kind of afraid that when I go
to the deep end that a shark like doesn't make
any sense. And I knew it didn't make any sense,
but that really iconic sort of you know, the legs
kicking around and the pov of the shark like that
was such a clever psychological I used to think they
could come up the drain. Yeah. I mean there's also
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the thing that your brain can sort of trick you
into being into danger. That isn't there. I've seen no
evidence they can't that a shark can't get through. I've
never seen one train. I could give you that evidence. Okay,
with a pen and paper. What is the film that
scared you the most? What did I answer? You are answered?
Fatal Attraction? Oh yeah, Fatal Attract. Have you seen it?
(20:18):
I did? Okay, So my dad went away on business,
so my mom took me to go and see Fatal Attraction.
Are well, I want to say Ballpark twelve. I think
I was about twelve. I think it was about nineteen
eighty eight. I think that feels about right. That feels
about maybe eleven or twelve. So Dad's away on business
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and Mom and I go and see this, this movie
about you know, we all know the story of Fatal Attraction,
And I felt so angry and betrayed, like I thought,
our dad's doing that. Dad's probably off. That's why she's
showing you this is this is like a little trail
of crumbs to the truth. Oo, Dad's probably doing it
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with another woman. She's probably a psychopath. She's probably gonna
come and kill us all. So interestingly, what I love
about this there was a thing. I think it was
either a Hollywood reporter or Vanity Fair or someone got
famous screen couples together. Did you did you see the
Michael Douglas? How fucking interesting was that? And how she
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you'll just get your phones out and watch it, will
watch you watch it and watch you be fascinated. No,
go on, it is Actually it's really interesting because she
for a start got quite frustrated with how her character
became a psychopath. She felt that when they were you know,
when she'd auditioned for it and when they were making it,
that the whole point is if she is a psychopath,
the story has no resonance because then she's just this
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mad lady acting without any reason, and it sort of
diminishes her. Like that's sort of one of those things
with scriptwriting is that if your character is mad, then
the story doesn't have a logic to it. And she
was saying that kind of made my character less important
because then she was just acting as a psychopath, not
the things that were happening to her logically in the story.
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And if I remember correctly, the way the film had ended,
YEA was that she kills the family and pins it
on Michael Douglas. No, the original ending, you will know
the current ending at Fatal Attackson right sheets she gets
shot in the bath. It's another film, Say sorry, I
should have said no spoilers, spoilers, Fuck it. She gets
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shot in the bath. The original ending of Fatally Attackstion,
which is so dark and so much better, is she
cuts her own throat in her bedroom. Yeah, with a knife,
but with a knife that has his fingerprints at it,
and we've already had that sane At the end, it
gets picked up by the police, yeah and done for murder.
Yeah yeah. But then test audiences didn't like it. So
the test audiences they showed it and they had to
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reshoot it. And the reason why was because, and it's
really fairly deeply entrenched in misogyny, is that they wanted
the woman to kind of get shot and killed him,
for Michael Douglas to step in and save his family
and for order to be restored, sort of not really
taking on Michael Douglas's character's complicity in the whole situation.
What they wanted was the bad lady to be punished, yea,
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And the best way to punish her is for him
to shoot her while she's trying to kill his family,
which just becomes a fairly idiotic story. Great thriller, but
in terms of where we heap the blame, it's like, well,
thank goodness, the lady's dead. So they they, and they
really they really fought hard over that reshoot. She refused there.
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She was dragged to set, Yeah, she was dragged to
set putting a headlocks, right, that's right. They hobbled her
in misery. They broke both her ankles. You don't know this,
but yeah, it's all on the vanity fair thing. But yeah,
I mean the whole ending of that story is basically
the restoration of the American happy family and the woman
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whose fault and it was her fault because she was
a psychopath. Like it really sort of takes all the
moral weight off the Michael Douglas character. Yeah, and that
scared you the most. Well, I didn't know back then
that I was going to watch that interview on the
in years ago, but it really frightened me. It really
frightened me that there was this happy family that didn't
know about this dark thing, that there were so many
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layers of deception that the father had had this affair
and then he'd try to kind of end the affair,
and then it couldn't end because she was crazy, and
then she came after them and killed their pet. Like
there were so many layers of that for a young
person to be frightened of. Yeah, I'd also only ever
seen Glenn close in the Natural with Robert Redford, where
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she plays like she's pure as the driven snow and
so I'd always thought, oh, Glenn close like and then
when I saw, oh, there's that lady from the Natural,
and then she's like a psychotic sexual maniac. Yeah, they
say thing with casting, it can really throw you as
a kid when your favorite person or like someone who
you've liked and another thing plays a baddie. That also
was quite unsettling for a young mind. I think was
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your dad. I'm not going to ask that question. The
answers yes again, see your man was doing preparing you.
What is the film that made you cry the most?
I can't, I genuinely can't remember what I answered. I
thought about these do you know what I'll tell you
why I don't remember why what I answered is because
I didn't want my answers to be performative. And I
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think over time you start having your bog standard answer
to these things, and I actually wanted to think about
and go, no, don't give the answer that you're used
to giving. Actually have a think. What did I say?
You said, Shinna's list? Yeah, shinlaws just fucking kills me
every time. Why that's horrible? Pause after that take, really
(25:41):
horrible long pause. Well, everyone was like, Okay, have you
ever seen Jimminy Glicks interview with mel Brooks. Jimmy Glicks
a character Martin Short. Yes, yes, big fat Hollywood reporter. Yeah,
he's interviewing mel Brooks and he goes, so, what's your
beef with the Nazis? Is like, what's my beat? And
(26:07):
every time and it's also just got that every time
you're watching it on very tasted, Yeah, yeah, seven o'clock, kids,
you know what time it is? Um and the ending
and yeah, the ending when when the actors come out
with the people that they played in real life. And
I've seen it maybe six or seven times sort of
I saw it in the cinema when it first came out,
(26:29):
and that that was also around the time I was
a teenager. But I think that's also again that's sort
of in keeping with a time when you're growing up.
It's really weird for me with my certainly with my daughter.
I had to tell her about the Holocaust, like she
she's alive and a young person and learning about the world,
and then she asked about there was something that we're
watching and then I actually had to tell about this
(26:51):
thing that happened, and this was a brain that hadn't
known it yet. And she was going, really this happened.
I'm like, yeah, this happened. So six million people though
they were put in and they were gassed and because
they were Jewish, or they were gay, or they were disabled,
like it was you know, and watching that brain kind
of taking it on as a thing that actually happened historically.
It's important for her to know. And I hated telling her.
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And I remember as a teenager, you know, studying history
and starting to learn about things like that, and then
seeing it presented on film and connecting with it on
a layer that wasn't just information, connecting with it in
that very the way it was filmed, and just having
that sort of connecting with a historical moment, but in
a way that was completely devastating. It still has that power.
(27:33):
It's um yeah, that really it really threw me. When
I met there was about sixteen or seventeen when it
came out, and that was one of those moments in
the cinema where when the film ended, people were just sat.
No one got up, everyone just sat there. They had
to take a moment. Yeah, and then the ashes came
in and where fucking please go to yah ya sitt
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and stunned silent exactly. That is a very good answer,
Thank you very much. What is the film that it
is supposed to be bad? It's not critically acclaimed, Yeah,
but you love it unashamedly. Oh yeah, I love this one. Yeah,
because I love telling people how much I like this
film because of how angry it makes people. I love
Vanilla Sky, I know, I know, And I never saw
(28:22):
the original, which everyone says is better. I'm not interested.
Don't give a shit. I don't want to see the
original one that's much better. Yeah. It violates pretty much
every rule I have about films that I do and
don't like. Like I'm confused, Like you're confused for the
majority of that film, Yeah, which is I think an
unacceptable I think you're not meant to be confused for
that long. And I think Hitchcock said that an audience
(28:44):
in confusion is not an audience of mooting. I think
that's the that's might be slightly fucked that a little bit,
but it's true, Like if you're confused for too long,
your brain gives up. Yeah, And I don't mind that.
I don't know what's going on, and I think it's
just but I do now because I've seen it many times.
I under stand the plot now, but I remember thinking
I've been confused for a good nineteen minutes and I'm
(29:07):
still I'm still into it. I'm still with them. I
want to know. And it's really memorable. I think Cameron
Crowe is really good at curating fantastic songs. He always
picks fantastic songs. So there's all these great songs. There's
like that I still associate like. I think there's the
Salisbury Hill is one of them. There's Todd roundbren Can
we still be friends. He's really great, kind of yacht
(29:28):
rock kind of songs. Again, I'm not that wild about
yacht rock. And then he's got the yacht rock soundtrack.
I'm like, great, what is the film you loved years ago?
You used to love it, but don't hold up any
more for you. I'm pretty sure I just answered, was
it Manhattan? Yeah? Yeah, Manhattan? Manhattan is just gross fest
It's really troublesome. And also I think also the relationship
(29:52):
that Woody Allen had with because you hate black and white, yeah,
I really, I just for me, a movie needs to
be about ninety minutes long and in color, yeah, and
then anything else that happens on top of that. Yeah, yeah, no,
that's a that's a really I mean a lot of
Woody Allen stuff. It's really I have a very difficult
(30:12):
sort of because Annie Hall is still one of my
favorite films. Annie Hall changed my life and the way
I felt about comedy and what I thought you could
do with comedy. Like I think that for most people
who are into comedy, that's it's just such a it
is a classic for all the right reasons. So it's
very difficult relating to his work when it has meant
(30:32):
something to you. But I mean, Manhattan is just hiding
in plain sight. That's not easy. Well, he might be
troublesome offscreen, but on screen that like that is just
a pretty gross movie about his relationship with a barely
barely adult she's a child, and also he knew her
parents in real life. There was this kind of you know,
that whole thing is weird and all of it is depressing,
(30:54):
and the ending of Manhattan is one of my favorite
endings the film. And then now you just go like, wait,
I mean, of all the things, is that alb you've
got to lighten up? Or is that any hares you
got to light up. They're all good ending. What a
great ending. You've got to lighten up? Great, that's and
then I'm like, when I saw that, I was like, oh, yeah,
you got a light up. That's that's it, isn't it.
You got to lighten up. It's such a fantastic ending, brilliant.
(31:17):
But yeah, Manhattan, I can't watch it now. I don't
find it funny. You're cute or amusing. It's not a quirk.
That's not quirky for a man of his age to
have had the Yeah, that's a that is a cool
card room by a cool guy. There's some guy out
there and he's so fucking cool and he's just like
(31:38):
But the probably with Manhattan is also I love gersh
One like I, and it's got the Gershan soundtrack, so yeah,
it's got all these things about it that. Yeah, but
I can't watch it now with any level of comfort.
I think that's totally fair. Where's the film that has
the most meaning for you? Not necessarily the film itself
is any good, but the experience you had around seeing
(31:58):
the film that always make it special to you. Sarah Kendell,
Which what was it? I mean, it was the Pink
Panther Stakes again, but I can't tell you the experience. Yeah,
that's a shack. You didn't tell me that was homework
involved in the show. Do you know what? The reason
why I had to go back and rethink this is
because I had a memory that turns out was not
a memory. What was it? I thought, Okay, so I
(32:20):
was going to say the start of the Spike who
Loved Me because of when Roger Moore goes off the
edge of the cliff and then the Union Jack flag
opens up and then you get the theme tune kicks in.
And I had a memory that turns out I had
rewritten in my head that couldn't possibly have been accurate.
I thought that the cinema broken to a round of
applause when that happened, and then I looked at the
(32:42):
year on it, and I couldn't possibly have been in
the cinema when that movie came out. What I remembered
was that I was in a pub talking to someone
and that was on the TV, and I said, my
dad loves this movie, and then everyone in the pub
started watching the opening, and then everyone in the pub
gave it a round of applause, just like drunk people
giving a round of applause to that's even better. I know,
it's yeah, But then I had I had, I had
(33:04):
fused the memory of being at the center and with
my dad with a random applause, like I've just rewritten
the memory. And then I've gone, oh, that never happened.
What did so? What did I answer? Oh, pink panther,
you said the pink panthers again, But I don't know
what happened. Oh, that's just watching with my dad. That's
just watching it with my That's such a yeah. And
I still find all of the Peter Sellers that the
Cluso they just get just because of how much my
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dad loved it. My dad would he would laugh so
hard and it became this collective hysteria that I was
catching his laughter. I mean, it's really funny on its own,
and you know, I still love it. At the opening
with I think it's I can't remember because I've seen
all of them too many times. But the one that
starts with Herbert lom in the psychiatric asylum, and it
starts with Clusa going to visit him, it is so goddamn.
(33:51):
It is just so funny, and my watching it with
my dad is fifty percent of that joy. Yes, genuinely,
I was going to hurt my heart. Okay, here we go. Look,
I mean the problem is if you make me say
just look me in the eyes. What is the film
that you found the sexiest? Now look away? Oh, I mean,
(34:15):
do you remember? No, it's I'll tell you what I
think of your answer. This is an answer of someone
in front of an audist. The answer is brief. In
Canter Camon Camon, I got something in my eye because
they never did it. No, no, but very disappointed. There
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was something very sexy about how forbidden it was, and
how everything was not allowed and everything that they were
doing was. So I think that's really sexy. I think
when you're actually watching two people at it, it's a bit. Oh.
I never watch a sex like if I like, if
I want to watch sex, I'll watch a porno. But
if I watch sex and people having sex, I generally
(35:03):
I often find myself going, yeah, that's a lot. That's
a lot to take on body heat. For example, a
lot of people are like, oh body heat. I just
get so embarrassed for everyone. I'm like, oh my lord,
So I find what I can't see and what's what's
what's withheld? I find that a lot sexier as opposed
to watching actual fucking, which is totally different. Have you
(35:24):
seen beef in cantor in The idea is fucking. So
the ending of it is horrific. Yeah, it's devastating. I'm
really devastating. Yeah, incredible. Just it's a it's it's a
post World War two Britain, really depressing landscape. Black. It's
David Lane. It's David Lean film, and it's a married
(35:44):
man and a married woman meet in a train station
and they keep meeting up and they fall in love,
and they decide they're going to meet and have sex.
He says, I've got this friend who has an apartment.
You imagine this is like post World War two Britain.
For him to actually say we can go somewhere and
have sex and her to go okay, just would not happen, right,
And they go to the apartment of of of this friend,
(36:07):
and then the friend unexpectedly comes back and she has
to run down the fire escape and she's so ashamed,
she is so embarrassed and she feels degraded. And he
runs downstairs and he says, I'm so sorry that we
can come here another time, and she says, I can't
do this, like the way I feel right now, I
can't do this. I can't do it to my husband
and my kids. I just can't do this. And so
(36:28):
he goes. So that's it. She's like, yeah, but I
just can't. And so he takes a job in South Africa,
I think is the way. He's kind of removed from
the scene. And then they just have to say goodbye.
He just says goodbye her at a trans they get interrupted.
That's the worst by the woman. Yeah, they speak and
there's maybe back then, Hello, helloa is anyone alive back
(36:49):
in the day? Did real people talk about that? I
think about that a lot, walking around with everyone like, hey,
it's deadily nice. Yeah it did. Everyone actually speak very staccato.
But I love it because he welcome to Sainsbiece, was it? Yeah?
I try. I try really hard to do it because
I love It's my favorite accent, and I love asking
people to do it, like my cheek brushes the little
(37:11):
cows bouncing on the back of his head really good.
They say happy, happy, and then say happy, you do
know what's happened to you? We've fallen in love. They're
so fast. They talked so fast, but they were so
buttoned up and constricted, and in the context of where
Britain was post World War two, like they were just
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so were There weren't any nice things, you know, everything
was rationed, and and this this love that kind of
sprang up between them, and then that it never happened.
They just had to say goodbye. And as they're saying goodbye,
this incredibly irritating woman joins them. It's like, hello, I've
just been to sainsbiece. Yeah, and say goodbye really politely
in front of each other, and then they're never going
(37:53):
to see each other again. And interestingly, The Apartment, the
Billy Wilder film, he wrote that I'm insane a brief
encounter and he's like, who's this best friend who has
an apartment they're going to go and have sex in. Well,
they've got a friend who's gone take my keys and
you can use my apartment to have sex in it,
(38:15):
And then he wrote the apartment, so, yeah, you that's
an interesting character. Yeah, the guy just gives his keys
out for people to have elicit sexing. I love I
love the Genesis. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah,
what you've described in Briton Canda does sound fucking fit?
What if there's a there's a subcategory? Yeah, someone on
(38:40):
Twitter or something the other day, I know on the
actual on the podcast at the bottom, I've asked people
to let leave reviews, but don't leave a review. Tell
me about a film you like. Whatever someone wrote the
other day. I couldn't fault it, they said. My favorite
thing on the podcast is when Brett is uncomfortable to
ask the sexiest film question and acts as if someone
else has written it and he has to read, Yeah,
(39:02):
what's this right, I'll say it? What's the the subcategory? Traveling? Bonus, worrying?
Why don't yeah, the film you found arousing you probably
shouldn't have? You had no answer, I do. I haven't
got no shame. Well, there's nothing that there isn't a
film that I go, well, that's worrying. I just go
(39:25):
like if if something, if I do find it like
a turn on. I can't think of anything that springs
to mind where I go, oh, shouldn't have though, that's bad.
I don't know if that means I'm a narcissus. No,
I think it means you've got a very healthy. Well,
what can you give me an example, because I feel
like someone's gonna like, I feel like it's a gag
question for a gag answer. No, what it is is
(39:46):
me hunting, hunting p days and that's all I'm doing.
I'm doing the Lord's work. And all you have to
all anyone asked to say it's there in black, all
anyone else say it's the Little Mermaid, and we go
and we move on. But if someone goes, I don't know,
I go pay Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean I remember
thinking blue like, I thought Blue Lagoon was, Oh, but
(40:09):
then I was age appropriate when I saw it. I
was like a young I was like a preteen. Yeah,
that's absolutely right for a pre like if I was
an adult watching Blue Lagoon, going, that's worrying for that
age group. What's worrying is that a lot of adults
went to see Yeah. Yeah, but that's it. I mean, no,
I can't think of anything that I go, oh, I
should never have felt that. Okay, yeah, that's all right. Yeah,
(40:30):
I think So, what's an example of something that someone
else has said? Jessica Rabbit, No, I don't fund that sex,
not into that. No, Okay, it feels like a gag answer,
though I don't think they're being genuine. No, they probably
are apeado, but at least they're going, Yeah, at least
they're going they made an effort. Yeah, yeah. Why is
(40:53):
the film he most relate to. I don't know what
did I say? You said? He said a lot of
John Hughes, and then he picked specifically sixteen Candles. Yeah,
a lot of John Hughes. Yeah, yeah, a lot of
John Hughes. Because when I was when I was a
teenager at a lot of the stuff I'm talking about
is when I was a teenager, which is interesting, but
(41:14):
as a teenager, I felt like that was the first
time I was seeing stuff that felt representative of not
quite fitting in and it being okay, or being funny,
or feeling a bit different, like sixteen Candles, which I
think is actually a bit racist. I think there's like
there is the wacky Chinese exchange student. So that's you know,
it hasn't not all. It has aged brilliantly, But like
(41:34):
the Molly Ringwald character in that even though she had this,
the ending to that film is ridiculous, as anyone says,
I'm not talking about like everyone say Sixteen Candles, Jake Ryan.
Oh my god, you like Kick Ryan. So she likes
Jake Ryan, who's the most handsome and he's about forty.
By the way, the actor who plays Jake Ryan, it
is ridiculous. Michael Schuffling was his name, didn't go on
(41:56):
to stay in show business. I think he makes furniture
now anyway. From Michael Schafflin. Yeah, i'd be like what
he was also in Mermaids. Mermaids is a great film. Yeah,
But I loved in Sixteen Candles that she wasn't like
the most popular and even though she was a very
(42:16):
like she's a very beautiful actress, but they made out
like she kind of was the odd bod who didn't
quite fit in, and these wonderful things happened to her
in the film. I think there might also be a questionable,
almost roofy style incident in the film that's played as comedy.
That's the other problem with these these films. A lot
of the stuff hasn't aged, Like even Breakfast Club. Yeah
it's a terrible yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And Molly Ringwald
(42:39):
has spoken about that and how you know, there is
problematic stuff in there. But I think for me seeing
sixteen candles and seeing a character who didn't quite fit in,
but that's what made her so likable and what made
her a strong character. I think for teenage me, that
was a really exciting thing to see. And she wasn't blonde,
you know, she had dyed red hair. But yeah, I
(42:59):
remember kind of feeling that maybe good things could happen
like that. Yeah, it's very nice. Thanks and they did.
Wonderful things have happened to me. And they did, they did,
and they did. What is the film objectively that you
think is the greatest film of all time? Objectively the
pinnacle of cinema might not be your favorite, it's the greatest,
(43:20):
you know it because it's objectively the greatest. I think
I might have answered tutsie, you did. Yeah, I did.
I did. And that's not like a controversial what because
I think that that is constantly like at the top
of the greatest comedies ever written. And you know, and
we're talking about this earlier. I'm not sure how that
(43:41):
has aged in terms of if it's trans how it
is towards trans right, I don't know if they're I
watched it last night, okay to check it out. Yeah,
I'm no expert. No, we're not experts, because I was
surprised how new once did it was. It isn't like played.
It's not a joke. He's not like a joke woman. No,
(44:02):
he's not like I'm a joke. Like it's taken quite seriously.
It's feminine. He discovers his feminine saying, I think the
one thing that maybe has dated is that basically it
is a film about a man who takes jobs from
women and then man explains to them how hard their
lives are. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. That's the bit.
(44:23):
Yeah that was Oh now I understand it's a bit
hard for you. Yeah, yes, shitead. You should all fight back.
You can't because I've got your job, but you should
if you had my job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is Again,
this is another context thing. When I used to my
grandmother only had three VHS videos at her house, and
one of them was Tutsie, and so I would and
(44:44):
back in the day like when I was, when I was,
we only had two channels where I grew up, and
I would spend a lot of time at my grandma's
house and I'd often just watch Tutsie. It was the
only thing to it, and I loved it. I loved
it so much. I thought it was so funny. So
I've seen it maybe thirty times in my life, and
every time I go back to it, I can't get
over how how good every line in that film is,
(45:07):
every character, every beat of the story. It's just And
when you see the people who did the rewrites, I mean,
I think Barry Levinson did a pass on it. Elane
Made did a pass on it. Larry Gelbart is I
think he's credited as Larry Gelbart devised mash and he
was always He was also part of I think the
Sid Caesar group, so he was in with mel Brooks
(45:28):
and Carl Reiner and all those guys. So Larry Gelbart
writes it. But you've got the great comedy minds coming
in and doing a joke pass on it, I mean,
getting getting Elane Made to do a joke pass on
your script. But I just I think it is such
a perfect comed He's got so much heart. It's a
it's a good love story. And there's certain stuff that
they get away with, like the whole Jeopardy of the
(45:51):
final scene where Dustin Hoffman is improvising live on television
and when you see the film again and again, how
much heavy lifting they put into the idea that they're
going to be live to wear Yeah, and you see
this kind of oh, blah blah, i's been drinking around
the editing equipment again, we might have to go live,
you know, And they put it in through the script.
(46:14):
And then this one of the actors who can't possibly
do a live recording, like they keep on saying, oh,
no, no no, I can't, I can't do a live recording.
And then when Dustin Hoffman does the final scene where
he's improvising live on television, how carefully they've planted that
idea through the script, and then your brain buys that
that could have that that could possibly happen, because it
(46:37):
is it's a script fudge. There are certain things that
you know when you're writing a script where you go,
I'm just going to have to fudge that bit. I
don't know how I'm going to do it, but it's
a little plot thing I'm going to have to get
people over the line with. Yeah, it's quite unbelievable that
they would have to have done that same live, but
they needed that to happen. I think's unbelievable. Is that
it's the end of his job. If you've seen he
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takes off his thing and goes, I'm your brad that
or something, and then I'm like, yeah, you'd want to
keep watching that. Yeah, yeah, why has he lost his job?
That's a great twist in the soap, right, he's now
the brother. Great, thanks for the writing. In another year, yes,
but then then we have to yes, yeah, actually that
would have made it. It is interesting that he then
loses everything at that point where it really should have.
That's a really good point. Wow. And I thought that
(47:19):
all those scriptwriters knew what they were doing. Is I mean,
this isn't funny? I finally interesting. I saw him interview
with Dustn't help him in a couple of years ago.
Another one you're about to where he starts crying because
he's talking about Tutsi, talking about making tutsi and he said,
I learned so much doing that. I was devastated because
I was an ugly woman, And he said, I was surprised.
(47:41):
I thought i'd be fit, And he said, and when
I put on all the stuff, I was ugly. And
he said, and you notice how few people talk to
me and were interested in me? And I realized all
the women that might have been amazing in my life
that I'd ignored because they were ugly, like I am
as a woman. I saw that and my first my
first thought was he's just trying to get more pussy. Yeah,
(48:03):
I'm like the guys, I fucking genius. It never occurred
to you, not once. It never occurred to you once
that an unattracted woman might have something interesting to say
until you became an ugly woman. Fuck off, mate, I
just didn't buy it. I'm like, you're a very bright man,
and you're being very manipulative right now. But if he's
(48:24):
doing it for your word pussy, then I'm if I'm
that woman and he starts changing on like, oh am
I ugly, then it's this way you're now. Yeah. But
also I know the clicking in it was when it
was the AFI when he was being into the Hall
of Fame. Yeah, and he starts crying in the middle
of this speech, and I was just like, nah, mate,
(48:46):
this is it was so calculated. I get it, Like,
I'm sure there was some kind of like yeah realization there,
but you'd have to have zero humanity and zero brains
for that to be the first person that had occurred
to you that maybe it's not like only hot women
have got something interesting to say? Oh what really? Yeah?
And he was quite old at that, but he'd been
(49:07):
around a while, just not talking to attack so many years.
I love the way he told the story though, because
he said he did the makeup test, and they did.
They put him in the full Dorothy Michael's outfit and
he went, yeah, that's really good, but I want to
be prettier. And the hair and makeup team were like
(49:27):
and the way he described it was they said to him,
that's your lot, Charlie. This is the best we've got
with the current technology we have makeup and wigs. And
how how stunde he was. But there's so many great
lines in that. You know that when the in twits you,
when the director says, I want to make a look
a little prettier, how fun can you move back and says,
(49:49):
how do you feel about Cleveland? Oh? Yeah, pretty funny.
It's good stuff. What's the film you could or have?
What's the most over and over again? Well my first
answer to that was it was again it was going
to be twitchy again because I don't want to have
seen the most but what did I say. You said
good Fellas or Aliens? Yeah, I can watch Honestly. I
remember getting in from a gig years ago and it
(50:10):
was two am. I'd done a preview. I've done a
one hour preview and driven back from like it was
out and I thought, I'm just gonna have a snack
and go to bed, and good Fellas was on, and
I thought, I'll just watch five minutes, and then next
thing I knew, it was like three am. I watched
the whole thing. I cannot sit down at any point
in good Fellas and get up and leave the room.
You know, nis Kumo and I have pitched to show
(50:32):
it's a Channel five yeah called good Luck, not watching
good Fellas. You see anyone down, they're given a task, jeez,
and then you put good Fellas on at any point
good Luck. It's incredible and they win a million if
they walk away. Yeah, yeah, that's great. Good it's a
good gas in it. Yeah. No, it doesn't matter how
(50:52):
tired I am, and it doesn't matter what point in
the film is. I can just It's just I'm not
sure if this is apocryphal, but someone told me that
when Goodfellas came out it was around the time, so
MTV had really changed the way film like films were
having to get snappier and faster, and camera like just
the length of shot was getting shorter and shorter because
of the way music videos were increasing the pace of
(51:14):
images that people were expecting per minute, basically, and the
studio had said to Scorsese's something along the lines of,
we need it to be faster pace, we need the
work to be faster pace. And he said, I'll show
you fast now. I don't know if that's a true story,
but he basically just and the film just fucking flights.
Incredible and again, great soundtrack, like you can pinpoint each
(51:38):
piece of music for where it's used in the in
the you know, like Layla, the way you use Layla
so great. And the comedy and its fantastic. He's such
a the guy, the wig guy yea with the ad
you know they cut to his ad for wigs and
him jumping in and out of the pool in the
middle of this gangster film. It's like a little comedy bit.
It's just yeah, it's great. I'm going to wrap up
(52:00):
this section. You've been absolutely wonderful. Thank you so much,
So we'll do a part two. However, when you went
abseiling and you were like, I am not doing this,
and then everyone's like, do it, and you went, I'll
do it. But if I'm doing it, I'm doing it
like the best because I care too much. And anyway,
you arrived, everyone said we hear you, carrall lot, and
(52:20):
you went to I don't give a shit, and you
checked everything three times. You checked the cariboo not which
you knew about weirdly, and then cariboo lock. Yeah. Yeah,
it's like a labor that goes like that, goes in
woods like that. Yeah, you've done your research. And you
were you, I don't want to die. I don't want
to die, and you checked it three times and then
you started abseiling, and then the cariboo. Luck that you've
(52:42):
got an eBay. It turned out was old and it
broke and you fell a long, long, long way, but
you did not die, and it was horrible, horrible, A
lot of pain took you to hospital. I was on
the group thread. Everyone was like, she's fine, she's a fighter, fight,
she'll be she's coming back. We'll see her gigging soon.
(53:02):
And then suddenly, Emma, it's so dark and you you
would you slowly again, but slowly died of it. Didn't
take me out quickly, No, no, no, it was six months.
It was sort of withering and then you were dead.
And it was not a good six months. And the
very little bod day was harder than the last. Yeah. Yeah,
people stopped, people stopped visiting because it was bleak. And
(53:23):
then anyway, you you you died people that I looked
on that text threat and I was like, no one's
messaged on he ages. It was just has left the
chat chat one by one. Yeah. Yeah, I started sending
funny memes just to spice it up a bit. Anyway,
I started wondering, what has happened to say Kenda. We
(53:44):
were going to do a part two. I walked by
the hospital. There you are. You Not only had your
friends abound you, but so had the medical staff. They'd
forgotten not only she doing she's a real down Yeah,
covering cobwebs and shit. Things had been eating at you.
It was real, like twenty eight days later, and when
people complain about you know, it's like you had your
own room. Yeah, interestingly with golden stuff. If things were
(54:06):
eating at me, they might have been eating the necrotic flesh,
hence saving my life. But god, yeah, but it wasn't that.
But anyway, you're a fucking I'm walking along with my coffin,
you know what I'm like, And I see, I'm like,
it's all over the walls. It's spread, You've spread, and
so I have to scoop you up with a spatula
(54:27):
and the knife, have to chop you up. Yeah, I
mean sorry, but it's the truth, and I have to
put you in this coffin, smash you in. This coffin
is rammed. There's so much more than I as expecting.
There is only enough room in the coffin to slide
one DVD in the side of you, a few to
take across to the other side. And on the other side.
It's movie night. Every night, one night, it's your movie night.
What film are you taking to show everyone in heaven
(54:48):
when it's your movie night? Sarah Kendall, go, who's afraid
of Virginia Wolf? I fucking love it? Yeah, who's afraid
of Virginia Wolf? Absolutely? Yes, I mean some people. She
hates the fish, she hates it. She was pro Manhattan,
but she's leaving out. I love that film. Yeah, I
(55:10):
remember there was a text that I did in high school.
I was seventeen, Yeah, and we were sort of instructed
to get the go to the video store and rent
it out if you could, and watch it. This is
this is showing age, you know, And that's how we
used to do things back in those days. And I
got the movie and I got the VHS and I
watched it, and for me, that was the absolute awakening
(55:34):
in me that I wanted to work in script or
film or anything. I was so electrified. I was so thrilled,
and and I was confused for bits, but in a
good way, like when when you're not sure about their
son and you're like, something's going on with their son.
Was going on with their son, and their performances was
(55:54):
so visceral, and their fights and the funny and and
I watched it, and I just went back and watched
it again. I watched it again and again and again,
and I felt like that's when everything, something just ignited.
I just knew that that's what I wanted to do
with my life, anything anything to do with that, be
(56:14):
it acting or writing or I didn't want to be
a director because the hours are too long, and I
knew that back then, but I just I thought, I
just want to be a part of that and the
way it's making me feel watching this weightlessness. And I
don't think any of the like Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor,
don't think they ever did anything as good before or after.
It was just this piece of work that was I
(56:36):
just want to be part of that kind of marriage.
I want to be in a marriage like that. That's
the kind of marriage I wanted also. But also, you know,
like what you get interested in, it always leads to something.
What's the word I'm looking for. There's a sort of
like a food chain, so I sort of went, so
who directed this? It was Mike Nichols, And then I
was like, oh, Mike Nichols the Graduate and Mike Nichols
(56:58):
working Girl, and like Nichols posts from the edge, like
it sets you off on another person's work. And then
I got really interested in Mike Nichols, and then his
double act with Elaine May like that then started to
get me interested in their comedy and the improv that
they did, like everything led to something that interested me more,
and I love I love pretty much all. I can't
(57:19):
think of many of Mike Nichols's films that I don't love,
but you sort of wolf Catch twenty two. I like it.
You like Catch Train too. I didn't mind it no exactly,
but it could have been it like it could have
been the greatest. It wasn't, but I do. I just
kind of felt like, Who's afraid of Virginia? Then led
me to being interested in his work, and that has
(57:41):
really affected the kind of comedy that I try to write.
I think, ladies and gentlemen, please she You've been more
wonderful than I could ever have dreamtause. Thank you. I
(58:01):
love the The final moment that the podcasts opously played
out will just be Sara, Honestly, you don't mean that
fuck yourself through the applause that you've asked for, right,
So I will finish official, the official recording. You've been genuinely,
I cannot express how much it means that you all
showed out. Is fucking great and thank you. So let's
(58:22):
finish this properly. So that was the eighth live episode.
Thank you so much to Sarah for being so excellent.
Thanks thanks thanks to Ben Williams and Nami Parnell and
the whole Underbelly crew here today thanks to Scrubious Pipping
(58:43):
the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Piece for producing it,
thanks to a Cus for hosting it, thanks to Adam
Richardson but the graphics, Lisa Aliden for the photography, and
most of all, thank you all for being here today.
It does mean a lot. Have a lovely week and
please be excellent to each other. So that was a
(59:35):
rewind classic. Thank you all for listening. I hope you're
all well. I'll be back next week with another one
of these, and then soon I'll be putting out some
new episodes. I've got some bangers in their bank. Oh yeah.
Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing this, thanks to a
Gas for hosting you. Thanks to Listen Photography, Adam Richard
for the graphics, Distraction Pieces of Network. Thank you all
for listening, and in the meantime, have a lovely week
(59:58):
and please now more never be excellent to each other
Host
Brett Goldstein
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