Ashley Parker Angel (O-Town)

We Fit Together…Ashley Parker Angel! Former member of O-Town, Lance’s Broadway co-star and Buzzfeed’s “King of Thirst Traps” Ashley Parker Angel is on the pod! 

Find out why he had to leave friends and family behind to join O-Town, the movie career he missed out on and whether or not he would ever return to the band. 

Plus, Lance and Ashley reminisce about their crazy Broadway party days! And did someone say something about a Frosted Tips Cruise?! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and my heart
reading a podcast. Hello, my little Peanuts, it's me your host,
Lance Bass. This is Frosted Tips with Me Lance and
my lovely co host Turkey Turchin A little bitter all right.
I hope everyone survived the dreaded April Fools. I didn't

(00:25):
get fool this year. You never get frool. Never, No
April first. I wake up like, nope, not today, Satan,
Well you're the fooler. Yeah, I'm the fool. He's just
trying to fool ever. Yeah, like he spends the whole
day trying to fool everyone. Um, No, I don't do that.
The thing is April. April Fools is done by the
time I know it's Apri Fools, Like I never you know,

(00:48):
it's just like it's never tipped off. No one ever
tried to play a prank on me. And I'm like, oh,
well now it's too late to do anything. Yeah, but
I mean you do it to me a lot. What
What did I do? You always say random thing, You
always will say like random things, and I'm so super
gullible and I just believe everything you said. I mean,
that's just fun. I know that's not like an April
fool's joke. I like to get my jokes. I know,
what's a lot of effort it is. It's too much effort,

(01:09):
Like who has time for that? I know, I know,
I barely get some land scares in anymore. I know,
Thank God, No, it's it's happened. It's coming now. We
have children's months away. You have children's scared now, but
they're too young to even when they're old enough to
start scaring you, that is gonna be the best time
I know ever. This helped me. They're gonna go. This
is a cry for help. If people don't know, I

(01:31):
do a land scares to Michael during just during the
Halloween season. Used to be year round, but I wanted
to give his hard a little break. Thank you. It's
to start in October first, I know, it really is.
It's just like the worst live in my house during October.
If you haven't seen it, go to hashtag land scares
on any social media and you'll see all kinds of
fun Turkey church and scares. Yeah, you'll see me at

(01:53):
my sex. Yet they're not elaborate. They're just literally him
walking around a corner. I'm very but it's jumpy. Yeah,
you don't really do anything. You just or you exist
and I am horrified. Yeah, I don't even make a noise. Yeah,
well there's a lot about you. All right. Well, happy
April everyone. Easter's on its way. I'm excited because today
we were having an Easter egg hunt. Yeah, for the kiddos.

(02:17):
Last year, they weren't really old enough to know what
Easter egg was. I mean, I guess they still don't know.
But we did have a practice run because we were
in Mississippi last week. Ye and uh, we did a
little Easter egg hunt with the kids just to get
ready for their real Easter egg hunt. Yeah, we had to.
They had to practice and they did great. They picked
up those eggs, they put them in the basket like

(02:38):
I mean, I guess that's all you need to do
a minutes to learn how to do it. Our daughter's
a hoarder. So she's really good. She is. We're actually
trying to get her on the show Hoarders. Yeah, such
a hoarder. Like there's just every piece of food you
can get. She's she's got it. Has the hold is
she thinks the world is gonna end. She has to
hoard every every block done. She's got hoard it listens

(02:58):
an things strict. She's gonna be one of those costco
girls that like do the couponning and does have a
whole storage. I wish she was a super cuponer. Is
that what they call extreme cuponning? Yeah? Is that what
saves a lot of money? Super couper. There's people that
go into these grocery stores and they come out with
the grocery store owing them twenty five I made nine
forty two and I bought eighteen thousand dollars worth of

(03:21):
Brillo pads. I mean, but then you'd have to get storage,
I guess to store all this stuff. Yeah, you need
to have like a make your garage or does buy
a second home for all your nice product? Extreme Cuponning.
That show still on. That's a show I would really
like to watch. I think it might still be am
I not watching this show. Well, we could learn some
things we can, especially with kids. I'm telling you, y'all

(03:43):
groceries insane. Well right now, yeahsane? Like what the heck?
But uh it's worth it. Um. The glad Awards are
coming up, so we just uh yeah, we just did
them on Thursday. Yeah, but I think they're gonna air somewhere.

(04:04):
I don't know where though, so maybe just google that.
Sorry I should have the information. But we did the
GLAD Awards, a great show on Christina Aguilera. Who else
was there? Um um u a Fletcher Fletcher performed, or
vill Peck Margaret show was the Home can See amazing.
And of course the fashion, I know, everyone's over the top.

(04:27):
So I mean I thought we had great fashion. I know,
I felt like I was, Oh it is April twelfth
on Hulu coming up. I know, I was like I
dressed like a slub compared to everybody. I thought I
would take a little fashion risk and I wore like
a I didn't wear a suit. But it was really
razzle medazzle. It was razzle dazzle. So I love the

(04:48):
glad Awards because you can really that in VMA's you
can really do anything. True, it's amazing. Yeah yeah, um
but I am before we bring on Ashley right now,
because he is He's coming in right now. Uh. We're
having our Easter egg hunt for all you know, our
kids and their friends. Well, so many of the friends
can't come because you know, Easter is the next week obviously,

(05:11):
but they I think I overdid it. I got all
my Easter egg hunt stuff, and I think I plan
for our hundred kids and there's really only five kids.
You always do that for everything. So we have tons
and tons of eggs to hide and only four kids
are going to be out there hunting them. We will
have these eggs for the rest of their lives. But
they have little prizes in them. You know. I'm just

(05:32):
gonna hide them around the house normally put little gifts
to them. And it's our way, just gonna be a
fun game. Every so often we find an egg somewhere
and there's something in there. I like that. It's gonna
be our news little game, our little family game. Right.
I put random eggs some places, and something has to
be in the eggs every time, so someone gets to
give like a diamond ring. Yeah, okay, I said it

(05:54):
for me. No, you said it. No, I was requesting
you said it. That means you give me the gift. Okay,
All right, guys, let's take a little break. When we
come back, we are going to have the one and
only Ashley Parker Angel. You know, there's uh, there's a

(06:22):
cruise that's starting in November. Uh, we should we talk
about this on air? Is this interesting? Yeah, it's kind
of fun, you know, I just put the sense somewhere.
This is interesting because I love cruises. We should do
a Frost of Tips cruise at some point. Yes, fun.
Oh my god, Oh my gosh, I kind of the
seas looks amazing. Yeah, oh my gosh. Okay, if we're

(06:45):
doing a Frost of Tips cruise, which you've you've been
wanted to do. Didn't you say you wanted to put
a cruise together? Yes, yes, okay, so Tips cruise, let's
do this. This would be so fun. So with Dirty Pop,
we did a Dirty Pop cruise with my last show,
so much fun. The fans came out, I mean huge,
huge ship. Um. But this would be so fun to

(07:07):
bring like everyone that's on the show, because we could
put on the most incredible entertaining cruise ever. Yes, it
would be like TRL threw up all over a ship. Yes, yeah,
yes I would. Okay, so we've got to do guys. Okay, okay,
she's on it, she's on it, yeah, playing the whole thing. See, Okay,

(07:29):
So where do we want to go though? Because of
course everyone loves the Caribbean, right, and that's like the
normal thing. But I've never done one of those European one, Mediterranean. Yes, see,
all these places that I've never really seen before, because
I'm sure, like you, you always go to these countries
and you perform, but you see the backstage in hotel
and that's it. That's exactly. So we could go to

(07:50):
all these different ports. Wow, I'm getting really excited about
me too. It's a great way to hit all right,
So if you were to build this cruise with our
peeps as who would be who would be on this
on this cruise is such a good idea, This is
so fun. We gotta get we gotta get more kids
already does already do there on the notes, we'd have

(08:13):
to get at least one of them to come. Yeah, exact,
everyone needs to be represented on this ship for all
the boy band fandom out there, definitely, and then we
can create this like uh, this Royal Caribbean supergroup, yes, yes,
which I love. It's like a K pop group with
like twenty boy band members. I feel like there needs
to be a boyband supergroup and anyways, it like there

(08:36):
needs to be a boyband supergroup anyways. Yeah, and I
don't know if anyone's done that. They've done it with
rock bands. Oh yeah, they always end with uh uh
r and b groups do it all the time. Yeah,
why don't we get a boyband supergroup? Now? We kind
of did it with back sync back sync, which is
what's the worst name BACKSNC. It's something the backsync of

(08:56):
a kitchen. I thought, what did I sync street? I thought,
was we do like a K pop band? There's like
eleven members, yes, you know, and it just one from
every you know or maybe two two yeah, two for
it's it's like the I don't know if do you want?
Are you a Bravo person? Do you watch reality TV?
Love reality? Okay? Do you watch Ultimate Girls Trip that
I haven't seen? Okay, but I hear it's great, It's amazing.

(09:18):
That's basically what this would be. It's the ultimate girls trip,
but the ultimate boy band trip. So you get one
member from each you know band, which the you know
Housewives each season has like one or two from that.
That'd be a good TV show too. This would be
a great reality TV show. Would Oh man, we really
want to show this because we might get a little crazy.
Only that's what's that's what makes it good. Yeah, that

(09:40):
makes good TV. Okay, Oh, I'm so excited about Okay,
So we brought this up because you're you're going on
a cruise soon, and uh have you heard. I don't
know the name of this cruise, but it starts in November,
and it's a three year cruise. Okay, three years. So
people are their homes like you know, hired people whatever,

(10:00):
and they're getting on this ship in November. Three years.
It takes them to sell around the world and they
go to a different point port every weekend and see
the whole entire world. If I was retired, that would
be my life. Yeah, I was gonna say I haven't.
I haven't heard of the three year cruise, but I've
heard of people retiring cruises. It's cheaper, and it's cheaper
than it's like upscale, Like you know, there's a doctor,

(10:24):
your food, your alcohol, your broom and board, your house,
moves around the world, and that you've got sunlight, you've
got share you go see the world. But again, I
want to make sure the ship is bigger because I
can be trapped because you know that like Norwegian cruise.
I don't know if I could be on that size
ship for a year. Absolutely not. Yeah. Yeah, I'm wondering

(10:46):
how big this this one of the three year cruises,
because I don't think is that many people. They keep
getting bigger. Yeah, these cruises are like floating city now
they are, and of such the environmental impact horrible. These
cruises lose all those people, aren't. We need the electric
We need the electric ship. Yeah, let's get the electric

(11:07):
shop there. There's lots of sun out there on those seas.
Can we just get solar powered? We had to figure
that out. But I digress. We're not going to get
into a lesson no environmental We should probably be introduced
by the way, guys. Ashley Parker angels here American musician
an actor who rose to prominence as a member of
the boy band Ohtown. He has acted in several Broadway

(11:30):
productions since two thousand and seven, including Wicked, which I
saw and he's incredible as Fierro. Ashley is currently the
co founder of high Level and as a fitness coach,
which we're going to get to eventually because you definitely
inspire me out there on social media. Ashley Parker Angel,
welcome to the show. Thank you. As we talk about cruises.
I got in. We gotta get into Hairspray on Broadway

(11:52):
starting at Lance Bats hair Spray. You know that was
my first Broadway uh debut. First, it was my Broadway debut.
You were second one. It was so fun. Y'all made
it so fun because you know, like doing TV shows
or movies or Broadway shows, the people you work with
really make the experience right. And there's some shows you

(12:13):
do you're like, I don't relate to these people. This show,
every single person in hair Spray was just a joy
to work with. Oh, our cast, we were just reminiscing
about this. Darlene loved Tevin Campbell. Yes, you got and
the Beaver and we had the Beaver leave it to Beaver.
I mean, we had an amazing cast. George went from

(12:35):
Cheers playing Edna and drag. I mean, come on, and
we you know we were kids. Yeah, I would say
we were kids then. I can't believe that we made
curtain call every single day because we would as a
group and we're still very close friends with a lot
of those cast members. We would go out every night.

(12:55):
We would have so much fun into the show. We'd
go to bar or whatever and we'd be out TOI
two three in the morning and somehow we would be fine.
Somehow that's a lot of coffee plus great workout. Sounds brutal,
It was fun, No, because that's the lifestyle. You're up
so late, your adrenaline's on fire by midnight. Still, because
the same thing, you know, as you know on tour,

(13:16):
you know, you you finish the show eleven pm, you're
not going to bed for a why ye is one
You're stuffing yourself with cold olive garden that's been on
your bus for four hours and then finally when you're done.
You're very specific. Oh, because that's the only thing I
would eat, like literally, breadsticks, alfredo sauce and yeah, and
the tour of Italy, that's what I had pretty much
every night after a show. Yeah, because you could, you

(13:37):
could eat three thousand calories and be fine. I want
to go back to olive garden after that. Oh, I
know you said that trigger triggered me. Salad and bread sticks,
it's all, but it's true. That's the lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah,
and you were incredible in the show, was Corny Collins. Yeah,
it was such a meta show too. Yeah, at the time,
because you're you're Corny Collins, which is based off Dick Clark. Yeah,

(13:58):
I'm playing Link Larkin, which is breakout teen star on
the show, which was what I was on making the band.
So it was like a very meta version of And
then the Hairspray film came out at the time. That
was so great. Yeah, it was right at the same
time the film came out, so everyone the same time.
Oh yeah, so there must have been a huge way
to it was incredible. We did have a strike for

(14:18):
a bit that that sucks. So my family didn't get
to see me in it because of course the week
they come to New York. Oh really, they didn't see you. Well,
my mom did, but none of my extended family. Oh no,
oh man, oh man. And it sucks because I don't
even have a copy of one of the shows. I
know they don't film it. You know what. I tried
to have Bobby, who at the time was managing me,

(14:40):
I tried to have him film it and they shook him.
Security shook him down. Yeah, it's very like a little
flip camera something something at the venue is the ones
that do not want anything recorded, but at least film
one for us to keep right just because I mean
they were insane about it. I remember they did my
first two songs because when you know, when you do
a Broadway you know, debut, they bring in the press

(15:00):
and they let them film the first couple of songs. Yeah,
they have to be. They're kicked out. So I do
have footage of my first two songs, yeah, but I
have nothing after that. You know, there were a couple
of bootlegs that slipped out onto YouTube and they take
them down. They're very good at taking them down quickly.
So I'll keep an eye out, all right, please do
because I want to show my kids like that. I
don't know if I'll do Broadway again, which I do.

(15:21):
Talk about your Broadway debut, What was that like? What
were you thinking? What was going through your head? I mean,
it was everything I could have hoped four and more.
I actually, really, to be honest, I didn't think growing
up that I would go into the music industry. I
was studying theater, so I thought it would be more
of a Broadway move. And then Hairspray comes along and
it's the absolute perfect role at the perfect time, and

(15:43):
then you're in the show and it's standing room only
tickets being sold and you have just people crowded in
the back. Like it wasn't the typical like you think
of a Broadway crowd. It's kind of a quiet. You know,
these fans are nuts, they're like boy band fans exactly.
It was like a rock concert. So what a three
month contract turned into me playing Link Larkin for a
year and eight months? Yeah? Oh I did that And

(16:05):
that's eight shows a week a week? Yeah, so like
something a lot and well over I'm not great at math,
I'd have to count, but thousands of performances then you're wicked. Yeah.
You know, I've performed more on Broadway than I even
got a chance to perform with Otown. Because you do
eight shows a week, right, right, So like when you're
a pop star, you play a show, you getting the bus,

(16:28):
you might have a day or two in between gigs.
On Broadway, as you know, it's eight shows a week.
So it was an amazing time and an amazing time
you think you were were you ready to leave when
hair sprayed? When you were done with hair spray? Because
I know people asked me all the time. I'm like,
well did you get sick of eight shows a week? Now?
And I did it? For half a year, and I
remember thinking, like, no, I never I always had fun

(16:51):
every single time I went out on stage. It was
just the best time. But I do remember right at
the end of six months, I felt like, Okay, it's
it's time to move on, because I remember I was
sweating anymore. Yeah, you know, I was like, once I
didn't sweat anymore, I felt like, Okay, I'm just kind
of phoning it in right now. Yeah, now it's time
for me to kind of move on. Yes, it's like
it's you know, it's it's a situation where you get

(17:13):
so much practice set that role that by the time
you do it six months in, you're so different in
the role than you were when you started. You find
these nuances, you're finding these little moments that never happened before.
So you do get deeper and deeper into the role.
But then I think there's a tipping point where it's
groundhog Day, which is what you're talking about, where you're
in eight months you're like, Okay, I'm a little too comfortable.

(17:34):
I'm going through my laundry list in my head. I'm
not I'm You have to work hard to stay in
the moment because you get so comfortable doing the show.
It's like you could do it in your sleep. At
that point, you could. So I mean to answer your question,
I think that felt right at year in eight months,
I'm like, I'm ready, I'm ready for the next thing.
I actually went and saw Wicked on one of my
nights off, because, as you know, you all the other performance,

(17:57):
all the other Broadway shows perform at the same time,
you rarely get to go see another show. But I
called out because I was sick, and I went and
saw Wicked, and I had this transformative experience where I
had always known of Wicked and I loved the music,
but when I saw it, I was like blown away.
I sat in my chair for five minutes after the
curtain dropped and I was like, that's the role I

(18:19):
want to play, is Fierro. It's that's perfect, That's the
role I want to play. And the and the twist
of the world of Wizard of Oz, which we all
grow up with. It was just mind blowing and so
that that's where I really had. That's at the end
tail end of Hairspray, when I was like, that's what
I want to do next. Let me talk to my
agent about this. Between Wicked and Hairspray, I mean because

(18:39):
Wicked has a theater double the size of hair Spray.
I mean it is huge and the production, I mean,
Disney knows how to put on Yeah, absolutely Broadway show. Yeah.
So what was the difference between Wicked and Hairspray Field.
It's a great question because they are night and day
m Hairspray is really bright and really poppy and really
funs and sequence and costumes, adence, participation, Yeah, exactly, and

(19:04):
Wicked is very dark and very moody and very shadowy
on stage and it's magic and it's you know, um,
so you really get the sense like the difference of Hairspray.
You know, you come in as Lance, You're bringing this
amazing twist to this iconic role, and you've got all
your fans coming. You feel like when people go to
see Wicked, they're there to see Wicked. Like you're not

(19:27):
the star. Wicked is the star. And that story has
been so powerful and life changing for people that you
just feel excited to be a part of this movement
that is Wicked. All right, let's go back to the beginning.

(19:55):
Actually where yes read in California, small town north in
California blink and you miss it on I five up
north from Sacramento and north from San Francisco. How far
away is that to like Portland? Okay, So if you
drive a few more hours, you get out of Californian
into Oregon. So we're tippy top of northern California. A
couple more hours in your inn Organ, all right, because

(20:15):
people forget how huge California is. When I think, like
if I'm saying, oh, I'm at the top of Mississippi,
you're You're in Tennessee within five minutes. Yeah, then California like, oh,
I live at the top of Californias, like still four
hours away from it is? It's four hours away from
Organ still. Yeah, it's that's exactly it because it's massive. Yeah.
And what's your family dynamic? Do you have brothers, sisters?
I have. I have an older brother that's fourteen years

(20:38):
older than me. My mom remarried when I was really young,
so I have two step sisters and I have a
younger half brother. So big family. But my brother was
so much older than me. I kind of grew up
a little only childish because by the time I was
like in kindergarten, he was gone, Oh yeah, like a
seventeen year old is not gonna want to hang out
with a three year old. No, yeah, no, No, we
bonded later in life, right, So that's that, that's what

(21:00):
that representation he was because I see you in Vegas
when I'm there a lot, and I remember one of
the last times I saw you. I think your brother
was in town. Yeah, exactly. I don't get to meet him,
though we're very close now. And uh, yeah, he's incredible.
He's so smart. He taught nuclear physics. Guys brains out
of control. Yeah, he's amazing, so smart, and yeah, I
mean we were talking a little about this. I actually

(21:22):
haven't really talked public publicly about it ever. I grew
up at Jehovah's Witness and I was going to church
four times a week, and my whole life was so
conservative and so immersed in like organized religion, and that
religion in particular is a very you know, when I
was sixteen turning seventeen, I got excommunicated from the church.

(21:42):
And that was because I wanted to pursue entertainment. So
entertainment was a no no, it's a no no, it's
a no no. At least it was back then, and
I got just what they called this fellowship, and that's
basically being shunned, and so you're excommunicated. All of your
family and all your friends can no longer talk to you.
So that was like a really powerful experience for me

(22:03):
at that age where I realized, yeah, I disconnected from
my family, and I realized that I gave me a resilience,
like and I only talk about it not to like, oh,
feel bad for me, but this is actually a powerful lesson.
Was that I stepped away from the judgment of others.
And I think that's one of the things that holds
a lot of people back in life, is fear of

(22:24):
judgment of other people. Yeah, and so I really wanted
to do Grease the musical at the college and in
my town, and I was dating someone that didn't go
to the church, and those were problems, and they were like, look,
you have a choice to make. You can go down
this path or you can come back into the fold
and be a Jehovah's witness. And I chose to pursue

(22:47):
my dreams. And I had to move out of my
home like a senior year in high school, I had
to move out with my friend down the street. It's
so wild to me to move. You're as communicative from
your whole family because you wanted to be in Greece.
I don't mean, I'm not laughing, but it's like, this
is the whole notion, so ridiculous lyric. Yeah, when it

(23:07):
comes to spirituality religion, what what did you let him study?
Or I mean, like what is he religious? Right now? Yeah,
you know, it's it's a great question. I actually I
love the word spiritual versus religious, just because of my background.
So I always really had a focus on spirituality with

(23:28):
him and exposing him to all of the different spiritual
teachings because I think when you really boil it down,
I think they're all saying the same thing. Yeah, you know,
And I don't personally believe in what I call Churchianity.
My church is better than your church. We have the
way and you don't have the way. Ours is the
one true religion, Yours is not. I don't define whatever

(23:50):
you want to call it. If it's a higher power,
if it's the universe, if it's life itself, if it's nature,
whatever you want to define as life or consciousness. I
think it's so much bigger, and I think, um, exposing
my son to that was really important. And so that's
really where I come from as a father. And I'm
so proud of Lyric. My son's gonna graduate. Okay, I've

(24:11):
got an eighteen year old. Look when I was reading
up on your stuff, I mean because I mean I've
known Lyrics since he was a little little baby. Uh
and the fact that he is eighteen yea makes me
want to have a drink right now. But also he's
been bitten by the entertainment bug. We saw him an

(24:31):
American Horror Story so great, yes, um, is he still
wanting to be in the biz? Absolutely right? What's he up?
He did get bit by the acting bug. But I
was really proud of him because after he did that,
and he did six episodes of American Horror Story with
with you know, um, it's it's amazing. It's first day

(24:52):
of filming, so it's very first real audition. He books it, okay,
knocks it out of the park. That was his first
real I I just want to push people like that down. Yeah,
I'm like yeah right. And then his first day of filming,
Kathy Bates and Lady Gaga like this kids is not seen.
That's his first scene. That's his first scene, right, how

(25:14):
do you go up from there? It's like, I know,
you start with the start of the people talk about
set in the bar high, you know. And he did
six episodes and that was a phenomenal experience for him.
But I was really proud of him because then when
it came time to so, he didn't understand fully yet
what being a working actor was because it was an
audition and now you're on set and you're having all
this fun. You know. The actual life of an actor

(25:37):
is a lot of preparing auditions and sometimes hearing no.
More often most of the time it's a no. So
he started preparing a lot of auditions and trying to
do school. And he actually really was like, Dad, I
think I want to like focus on school right now.
And I was like, awesome, yes, because I also had

(25:57):
this feeling of like he was so young at the
time time he's eleven, yeah, and you know, we grow
up with peers in the entertainment industry, and sometimes when
you start really young, it can be very challenging for
you be a young famous person. Of course, more challenging
more of the time than not. So a lot of
them come out with a lot of well, because you're
immediately pushed into an adult world where they're treating you

(26:20):
like an adult. Yes, you know, they don't give you respect, Yeah,
like that because you're a kid, but they're treating you're
you're putting adult situations and you just have to automatically
grow up overnight. Yeah, you do. And sometimes you don't
have a normal childhood. Yeah you try to solo artists too, Yes, exactly,
So you miss like normal developmental spaces in your life

(26:40):
because you're just pushed into an adult world. That's exactly it.
You don't get to go to school. Oftentimes you're tutoring
with someone in a trailer and you're you're just you're
not you don't get to socialize with your friends. You're
always off on set somewhere. So I was really glad
to hear that he wanted to focus on school. It's like,
I want to finish school. So now he's graduating school,
and now he's got this awesome it's like a young

(27:01):
Johnny Depp. He's got long hairs, this handsome, he's got
a mustache now, yeah, and he's got this awesome just cool,
just relaxed, energies, very spiritual and very soulful. He loves music,
he loves to sing and play piano. He's a great
art he's a great musician. So I'm happy for him
now coming out of high school to be able to
pursue all that. And you know how old were you

(27:22):
when you got in saying sixteen? Sixteen? Okay? So I
was like seventeen turning eighteen. And I always wanted that
for him because I was like, at least I had
a normal We had a somewhat yeah normal, it's my
junior in high school and you got to experience, yeah,
your youth, that's exactly right. And I watched an interview
one time with Jake Jillenhall and his parents are in
the industry, and with Jake and Maggie, they were like,

(27:43):
we're gonna let you do this because they both wanted
to be You're not gonna be sixteen to seventeen before
you really go for it. And I think that's awesome
because then you get a normal sense of childhood, which
also is a great as an artist. You your art
comes from living life exactly right and to late to
people exactly know because it's not normal, it's not the
normal the path, Oh it's not so Yeah, to actually

(28:06):
relate to someone and know what they went through. I mean,
I think is such a huge part of growing up. Yeah,
that's exactly right, you know. So and being famous is
this whole other thing that can be such a psychological
oh yeah, you know, hurdle to overcome, especially at that
young age. So you see that with child stars a lot.

(28:26):
And I think I was just really happy that he
was like dad, I'd wanted to just focus on school
and awesome, Okay, yeah, yeah, that's amazing, Yes, exactly, so
so supportive of that and yeah, and actually, to be honest,
it's it's it's part of the challenge of being in
the entertainment industry was being a young dad. So I'd
have to go do these long gigs and I'd have

(28:48):
to go on the road. And the last time I
finished Wicked after that was two years in Wicked twenty eighteen,
and I was like, I've been in I've been really
only in entertainment for one he solid years. Now. I
want to go back to the West Coast and I
want to be home until my son finishes high school,
because of course he comes to visit all the time

(29:09):
as he did when you and I were in Hairspring,
but it's just not the same. You know, he's based
in California, and you know, when you're always on the
road and you're living out of a suitcase and you're
living at a hotels and you're taking gigs, it's like
very hard on that part of your life being a parent.
So actually recently, and I never thought I'd be in
this place when I was younger, but I passed on

(29:30):
a Broadway offer for the Max Martin musical Hello and
Juliet and Juliet, and they wanted me for Anne Shakespeare.
And I was like, this is an interesting fork in
the road for me, because much younger I would have
said absolutely a year in New York, let's do it.
But with Lyric being in high school and finishing high school,
I was like, I wrote them a beautiful letter and

(29:50):
I was like, thank you so much. Maybe maybe this
opportunity will come in the future and maybe it won't,
but I'm really focused on just being a dad right now.
And they were like, that's amazing. We support that, you know,
that's really awesome to respect. I get that because you know,
now our kids are almost eighteen months old right now,
and when they were born, because I was on tour

(30:11):
with your boys and no town. Like we were doing
that Pop two thousand tour, like all over the country,
and it wasn't like a normal tour where you went
to all just the major cities and it was easy
to get back home. It was every Thursday you had
to fly out to some random city that it took
a whole day to get to do the show and
then a whole day to get back. So you're talking
about three four days a week you're away, Yeah, and

(30:31):
it just gets to you. I Mean, the road is hard.
So when these kids came, I'm like, I can't do
it anymore. Yeah, Like I can't be away from them.
I want to be as present as possible, especially these
first few years. So that's when I said no to
the road, and we have been home ever since and
we started this show, so it keeps us here in
Los Angeles exactly. It's really just we're doing the things
we want to do and it's really based on because

(30:53):
I want to be with the kids as much as possible. Yeah,
And people who were listening to their parents completely get
that shift. It's like your life is never the same
after you become a parent. It's completely different journey. The
road ain't no place to raise a family. That's one
of the lyrics. It's like just a really hard lifestyle.
And so that was a fork in the road for

(31:13):
me and I came I came back from Wicked, and
I really started focusing on I've worn a lot of
different hats over my life, but I launched a health
and wellness company we've been following called High Level, which
has been one of the most rewarding chapters of my life.
List Why did you want to do that? Because I
have you always been into fitness? Yeah? Yeah, always? I
mean when you I think if for people listening to

(31:35):
it's like, can you think about what you were into
when you were young? If you really want to find
what you're passionate about, always go back to when you
were little, before the world conditions, those first before your
parents and your teachers and your friends condition you. What
did you really love? It was always an astronaut. Yes,
it always goes back. I still think you're going. I

(31:55):
think you're going to space. Well, I think it's happening.
Was learning it out there? Please bring me with you.
I loved fitness, acting in music, those like three things
I was really obsessed with, like bodybuilders, and my dad
brought yeah up on my wall, Sylvester Stallone, and actually
really loved fitness, and I thought, even though I had

(32:18):
aspirations entertainment, I thought I would get into fitness and
get into shape and use that as a way to
break into entertainment. So when I was fifteen, I hired
a personal trainer, I got a job at World's Gym.
Got so obsessed with it, and you know, so it
was always just a part of me. And then I
fell backwards very quickly, slip on a bananappeal, making the

(32:39):
band just sling shot out of the small town, and
all of a sudden, I'm in a boy band, right.
But Yeah, to answer your question, um, it's always been
in me. And if I feel like health and wellness
is something that was an anchor for me through the
uncertainty of an entertainment career, because there's a lot of
things out of your control in life, and for anybody

(32:59):
that's ever sued art or making a living as an
actor or a singer, an artist or a writer, there's
a lot of uncertainty, and so health and wellness for
me was always a way to really stay grounded. There's
things I can control and control. Yes, that's something I
can control. So I've been, you know, on a fitness journey,
health and wellness journey for twenty five years of my life.

(33:20):
I didn't get into you know, health and fitness till
way later in life, in my thirties. For sure, I
wish I would have established that habit as a young kid,
because I think as a teenager all those habits kind
of stick with you. Yeah, but yeah, it's after you
and it's so hard for me to get motivated. Yeah,
like going to a gym impossible. I will talk myself
out of the acts. I'm like, I don't want to

(33:41):
fight the traffic. Oh, I have a meeting that starts
it too, Like you always have an excuse. I'll do
it next week. Yeah. But we do have this machine
at the house called the tonal, which just how do
you like that? I now work out every day? Yeah,
and it is amazing. And yeah, the days that you skip,
you don't feel the same. Yeah, if you just get
that workout done in space. Actually, I like to do

(34:01):
it earlier in the day just because you do feel
the difference. You do have so much more energy, you
your your your brain feels like a better Yeah, you
sleep better at night. But it's just like why can't
I just constantly remind myself of that? Because then I'll
go two weeks without work it out, like God, what
did I And then I get you know, I need
the motivation if I if I'm working out and then

(34:21):
all of a sudden like I'm sore, right, then I'm
motivated to work out the next day. Yeah, and so
like yeah, I see like oh I couldn't see an
ab Okay, then I'll work out forever just to know.
Then if I you know, miss a week and then
I have zero as I'm like, you know what, I'm
just gonna eat this pizza, and I get so unmotivated,
just do not want to work. You know, you've very
easily got feel the right. So that's why I try

(34:43):
to help. It's not how you look, it's how you
feel about yourself. Oh yeah, yes, weight loss will happen,
but it's about well being. You get a twelve hour
mood boost. This is actually backed by side. Did you
get a twelve hour mood boots every exercise session? So
that's why. I think a lot of people, maybe who've
stumbled upon Instagram in the last few years, think it's
just oh, it's just about shirtless photos, or it's about vanity.

(35:06):
But I'm addicted to exercise because how it makes me feel.
I look at it like I'm taking my antidepressant for
the day. This is therapeutic, this is medicinal. You're gonna
feel great, And that's what I focus on because it
is hard to stay motivated to put in the work.
But I think the how you feel is the immediate
reward versus Oh, I have to like take a progress

(35:27):
picture in a couple of weeks and see if I
have those apps. Do you feel addicted to social media
showing off your body? I feel it has been an
amazing tool for sharing this story because the world of
social media, it's really hard, and I'm I'm I think
moving forward to it's I've talked a lot about it.

(35:47):
But in my twenties, I was like in a place
where a lot happened around the hairspray time, where my
relationship ended. I got dropped from my record label, MTV
didn't pick up my show, and I was just really struggling, like,
what's next in my life. I'm a single dad, and
I talked recently about just being in a very dark

(36:07):
place like one like really starting having like bad thoughts.
I'm like, this is not me, you know, I'm thinking suicidal.
This is not me. And that was a return to
pouring myself into health and wellness. Had something else to
fight for too, now that I'm a parent, and I
fell in love with it, So I do fall in
love with talking about it. But it's hard to talk

(36:29):
about the mental and emotional benefits in a picture because
a picture doesn't show that. So I do show a
lot of progress pictures and I use my own story,
my own transformation. But I really want people to understand
that where I come from, it is from a place
of battling depression and for leveling up in my mental health.
And yes, the secondary benefit is you'll get in better

(36:50):
and better physical shape. So that's really where I try
to come from. But that's hard to show in a photo. Right.
So because I do love, I do obviously love social
media as a tool. I was late to the TikTok game.
I'm trying to catch up. You're you're crushing the TikTok. Yeah,
the first day. I'm like, I'm not joining another plat.
There's no way I'm doing this. I refuse, I refuse.

(37:11):
Do you enjoy it? I do. It's it's the platform
that I enjoy the most, the most, okay, just because
you really get to show your personality. Yeah, you know, Yeah,
it's entertaining. It's fun. It's entertaining. Like Instagram's great, you know,
you get to see pictures and everything. But something about
TikTok it just makes me laugh. Yes for now, yeah,
until it gets evil, you know, and I'm sure it will,
but right now it's making me laugh totally. And I

(37:33):
hope you know, I don't know. I know there's a
lot about TikTok and the news right now, but I
love I love all of these platforms because it's if
you love being on stage, it's this Southern avenue. You
get to be in control of it, and that's you shine.
I mean, you really shine on TikTok. They're so great
on it. I want to I want to laugh about this.
UM shout out to BuzzFeed because they they just this

(37:57):
has been a very prestigious honor. Oh just crownded me
the of thirst track. I know, Yeah, thank you very much.
It was I've been working. Thank you to my manager,
thank you to my agents, my mom, thank you mom,
thank you Grandma. I mean at fan base. Now, yeah,
you know, it's a tool and the thing that's a
crazy thing to me about TikTok and everyone's like it's
stealing your Dada's stealing your data like Facebook and Instagram.

(38:22):
Yeah you've like gone online at all your data. They're
actually just nervous that it's not our own country stealing
your data, and it might be another country. But everyone's
stealing your data. That's what's crazy to me about it.
So I hope TikTok stays around because I'm just getting started.
I'm just getting warmed up on the top. It's not
going to go anywhere. It'll either be sold, you know,
to a company here or whatever. It's it's not going anywhere. Yeah,

(38:45):
you know, it's I feel everything's been as transparent as
it can be. But yeah, you know, but I do
agree we need to total an eye out. It's a tool,
especially for entrepreneurs. And I have to say Lance and
Michael you are both amazing entrepreneurs. You have incredible actually
of anyone I can think of in pop culture. I've
always going back from the days of you doing your

(39:08):
own movie with Joey and always doing things going to space.
Now you've got Rocos, You've got You're in the nightclub
Space heart like you. So as an entrepreneur, I think
it's an amazing tool to share your story with other
people and not have as many gate keepers telling you

(39:28):
what you have to promote. That's what I love about
social media, especially for people who are in an entrepreneurial space.
And you've always crushed that game we're trying, you know, Yeah,
just comes natural. I guessing a lot of Noodles's sling,
lots of just like auditions, same thing in entrepreneurship. It's
like you get so many doors slammed in your face,

(39:50):
but you just got to keep keep just keep going.
All right, ohtown, very quickly, we all know how you
met on the ABC show making the band mister Loop

(40:11):
Perlman you know was involved very quickly. How how did
you decide to audition for something like this? So I
back to this story of being a kid from a
very small town I do Greece, and I had a
really cool opportunity that this manager who had moved from
Colorado to the small town she was started in an

(40:33):
acting studio. She saw me in it and she's like,
I want to represent you and send you on auditions.
So started going on auditions. Making the band comes through.
We didn't really think at the time it was a
quote reality show because reality hadn't really taken off was
the Osbourne. It was just like at the time, at
the time of making the band, it was real world.
That was really what it was. And so took a

(40:53):
shot to fly to Vegas because it was a crossed
the nation talent search very much set up the model
for American Idol in the Voice, but which by the way,
I'm so glad that I auditioned for making the band
and didn't have to for American Idolis Voice because it's
become such a juggernaut and now it's more of a
TV show Like I feel like nowadays, it doesn't seem

(41:16):
to spawn has meant as much longevity with the artist.
So long story short, flute to Vegas for that audition
instead of La because I felt like LA was going
to be a really crowded place. Yeah, totally so and
weird because now full circle, I'm living in Vegas. But
I've flute to Vegas an auditioned for that, and then
you are immediately thrust into this world of reality TV

(41:39):
meets the creation of a boy band and meeting Lou
And what that experience was like was, you know, being
there was already these boy band super bands, super groups,
boy band Mania in Sync and Backstreet. So what makes
Outown different is that it's a television series. That's really

(42:02):
where we, I think, came in in a bubble that
was kind of already and I think that's what really
changed entertainment in pop music. Everyone that I know after
you guys started, all had a television element one direction.
All these groups they came, they all came from television
at American Idol, the Voice TV. It's like, that's the

(42:23):
element that now all our musicians have behind them exactly exactly, Um,
the Nickelodeon Band, Um, Big Time Rush, Thank You, exactly.
It was that emerging world of television meets boy band
supergroup and so but the thing is, it wasn't the
same experience you had where you're going over to Europe

(42:44):
to prove that this could work again. You know. It
wasn't every radio station yeah, and every radio tour, Yeah, exactly.
So O Town was really like assembled. It was a
different situation and you can't actually think of more of
an over night's success than the story of US. True,
it was an overnight success, and largely because Backstreet and

(43:06):
in Sync had already paved the way for that, and
then we have this unique model of a TV show.
So but it was it was a manufactured situation, and
I think because of that we have there's definitely we
shared bonds through that time. But it's not like you're again.
It's not like you're in the garage and you're like,
maybe we'll make it someday. We're all working together to

(43:27):
try to get signed. It's like, bam, you're just thrust
into the spotlight and film. You're on TV and bam,
it's a hit. Yeah, And that must be tricky, like
compared like as to Win Sync, where they you know,
eventually they came together, but they spent years just trying,
just trying to get a record deal. So they really
started from the bottom. And now you guys are just
on a TV show. Now you're you're you know, your
hit songs. It comes out and it's immediately a hit

(43:49):
because you have this whole package of you being on TV. Yeah,
and you're forced to like be like in this brotherhood
with people you kind of just met, yeah, and didn't
necessarily you know, it does naturally bond with jel with though,
like it must be just a complicuch more complicated dynamic.
It was a very complicated dynamic because we all came
from different places in the country. We were all thrust together.

(44:10):
And then the show making the band become syndicated internationally.
So the first time we go international, fans are waiting
in the airport because the show already was a hit.
So it was just a completely different but also was
a was a shorter was a shorter life of that band.
It was a window that was closing exactly. Yeah, pop

(44:33):
music as a whole was changing, especially pop groups exactly.
It was they were moving on to the next next era.
That's exactly, That's exactly right. So we did two albums
and we had an awesome string of hits during that time.
But to put it in perspective, it was like three
and a half years. What was your favorite song from Nothing? Yeah,
that's us of that which was originally a Westlife song, Yeah,

(44:57):
and they decided not to include it, which and you're
both which right, I don't. Later they covered it, so
now they've actually released their version. But that was a
that was a big that was a big win for
us because we got that track and then that was
a number one song that summer and just I mean honestly,
and then working with Lou. For those that have seen
the boy band were plug watch that documentary best best

(45:22):
documentary on Lou prom and that you can ever watch,
and um really tells that story well. Of like also
what we dealt with with Lou, which was like everybody's
suing him and everyone's like this guy, don't get involved
with that has been so weird. You're like, wait, because
I remember talking to you guys in New York at
mug Shots on First Avenue when I first met all
you guys, and I wanted to warn you because that

(45:42):
was when we were really going through all of our
crap with Lou, and I'm like, I gotta tell these
guys what's up. And I just wanted to make sure,
I mean, in WHI y'all already kind of knew. I mean,
y'all had an inkling of what was going on, but
I just needed to just see y'all face to face
and be like, okay, guys, just please watch your back.
Thank you. This is what we went through, is what
our contract said. I'm guarantee your contracts as the same

(46:05):
exact thing. Yeah, just watch your back, yes, yes, and
thank you for thinking that way, because there was a
lot of people warning us and twenty twenties doing a
you know, a special on lou taking advantage of all
these bands, and we were in his office at Transcon
and he'd say, I have to go because the FBI's here. Yeah.
Like that was like you know what I mean, or

(46:26):
it would he'd be like, do you see me in
that picture with all my airplanes on the runway And
I was like, yeah, those are seven forty seven He's like, no,
those are just model airplanes on fishing string. Like he
was a con man. He was great up con man
and at the same time, wouldn't have gotten that opportunity
in my life without him so systemtically so weird. Double
edged sword is so it's hard to explain. Yeah, it
really is hard to explain because on one side he

(46:48):
did great things for all of us, great things. Then
on the other side he did horrible exactly. Yeah, and
then the trajectory of a guy going solo from a
boy band. That was also some thing MTV was interested
in following. So I think I was always really excited
to go and show prove myself outside of Otown because
Otown wasn't the type of music I grew up listening to.

(47:10):
Although I have a funny story to share with you,
the only thing I've ever shoplifted in my life, kids
Don't was the Ensync album. Let me get a little
context here, Owe me a penny. I worked at a
place called Shop Go in the electronics department, which is
like a Target, same thing as Target red shirts name tag,

(47:32):
but I worked in the electronics department, so when CDs
would get damaged, we'd have to take them into the
back area and then ship them off somewhere. And I
was like, this is already damaged. I went up to
this back alley behind the store and it was like
I kicked it under a dumpster or something, and I
rode my bike at the time everywhere it's such a nerd.
So I waited two hours after the store closed. I

(47:52):
came back at midnight and I go fish out the
Ensync album from underneath. From underneath this like wooden Palette
or something, and then love that album so much and
then appropriately tearing up My Heart is the song I
auditioned with for making the band. Oh no way, that's
my favorite. So that yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, look at
that full circle happening right, like you leave the church

(48:13):
and it's enter a life of crime. And this too,
by the way, I don't I don't want to promote that,
but I mean, look, kids do stupid things. Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
it was six music is worth stealing, okay, exactly yeah,
And we didn't make money off that album. That was
all a little promos exactly exact still as many of

(48:34):
the first album as you want, exactly all right, real quickly.
So what made y'all decide to call it quits with
the group? Like, what was that moment? Yeah? That was
That was a complicated decision to make, and in part
was also because MTV. We had done three seasons with MTV,
and there was like we started filming a fourth season

(48:55):
and then they were like, we just don't feel the
band really is into it anymore. We'd been on camera
for three years of our lives. Everyone was kind of
hiding from the cameras at that point in time, so
they were like, we're gonna call it. And then at
the same time, our record label didn't love that our
TV show was going away, so Clive Davis decides to
drop the band. So MTV drops the show, Clive Davis

(49:19):
drops the band, and then the question is like, what
do you do next? And a lot of mixed feelings
about that. But at the time, as I remember it,
everybody was excited to take a break and just just
kind of do their own thing for a little while.
I moved right away to LA and I started working
on music, and I signed a deal with Universal through

(49:39):
Blackground Records, and MTV caught wind of that, and they're like, oh,
Ashley's doing a solo thing. Let's bring him in and
see if he wants This is now the emerging world
of the Newlyweds with Nick and Jessica, and speaking of entrepreneurs,
Jessica with her shoes unbelievable, the camera pans down. I'm
wearing her stilettos right now. Um, the Osbourne's right. So

(50:06):
they're like, would you want to do Um, I'm getting
I get engaged. I'm going to be a dad. Uh.
So they're like, this is great TV. You know, you're
Beyonce is pregnant and you're launching You're trying to go
solo from the band. So then it's this whole other
reality show that I do, and it was just again
like another three years of my life. But by the
end of that, I kind of fell out of love

(50:26):
with the music industry. That was just kind of end
to that. Yeah, I fell out of love with it.
And I also too felt like I was like always
finding the record label as to like, what were the
songs that we're going to be released? And you have
no control and you look at the contracts You're like, oh, yeah,
I don't really have any control over this. I'm the singer,
but I don't really have a lot of control over
the destiny of my career. It's just other people making decisions.

(50:50):
And so that was when the Hairspray opportunity came, and
that for me was also like I don't really want
to even do music anymore. I want to go do Broadway.
And that was a fork in the road at that
point in my life where I was like, didn't even
have an inkling of a desire to keep doing music
industry stuff. After that album cycle, although I did get
to work with Max Martin. It did have an awesome

(51:11):
song called let You Go. It did have a great
album cycle with soundtrack to Your Life, and I love
that album. But I just felt like I was constantly like,
I just can't be in control of these marketing decisions
and a lot of things that I felt weren't like
handled the way I would have done them, and you
just give up as an artist, you give up so
much control. So that's why I was kind of ready

(51:32):
to say goodbye to that, closed the door on that
chapter of my life and then go do Hairspray with
Lance as Corny Collins. I had aspirations to act, so
actually turned down three big movie roles while I was
in Otown because everyone said, you can't do that. You
can't take away time from the band to go be
in a movie and you share what the movies were.
I can. I've never talked about it. One was actually

(51:55):
launched the career of an actor named Mike Vogel, who's
Mike Vogel. It was his first role. It would have
been my first role that I had to pass on.
It was a movie called The Grind with Paramount Pictures
with skateboarding movie and a band and all these guys
in it, and it was just just like boom, like
this is going to happen in the band's like, no,
you can't take three months off to go to a movie.

(52:16):
Then I booked the part opposite Channing Tatum in a
really big movie, and I was like, no, you can't
do that, and it was like, oh man. My agent
at the time was just like, You're the only actor
I've ever represented that keeps turning down these opportunities. And
I was like, well, I've signed my life away to
being in a boy band, and so I can't have
a first priority. I have a first priority, right. But
then when I did finally have a chance to do

(52:37):
a couple movies, I realized it's not as exciting because
the live element. What we get to do live as
a pop star or on Broadway, it's so much more
exciting being all hurry up and wait. That's what it is.
You're sitting in a trailer for hours of your life,
maybe weeks of your life. You get these little brief

(52:58):
moments it's like it's hurry up and wait. I love
live And that's what I realized about doing a couple
movies even that I like, if I were to step
back into doing something again, it would be a Broadway
show maybe even and Juliet somewhere way down the line.
But that's where I really thrive is in the live
element of of of being a performer. You are a
great live Thank you. All right, Let's get to some

(53:20):
fan questions before we let you go. Yes, um, what's
your dream Broadway role? My dream Broadway role? Elmo thirty
nine oh seven, Magic Mike, Magic make Yeah maybe Magic Mike.
You should totally do Magic. Yes, the Magic multi Vegas
is incredible. Yeah it is. I've seen it three times now.

(53:42):
It's just the dancing and singing everything. I want to
dance again. Yeah. That's the thing about Like, even when
I did my solo stuff was more of a pop
rock thing. I'm on a guitar, I didn't get to
dance as much. I love to dance. I want to
dance again. That's why I say Magic done that one?
Uh yeah, naked voice singing, Yeah, what's the what's the

(54:05):
poetry of the penis? That's actually my new choice. Yeah, Okay,
we can add a lot of choreography and the um.
This one has already been asked Irish the pin of
what's your favorite Ohtown song? All or nothing? Um? But
what was your favorite Ohtown song that was not a single? Mmmm?
It's a great question. Favorite Otown song that was not

(54:27):
a single? I think Shy Girl off the first album.
Then oh yeah, catch sing a little bit shir it's
written on a face out of place, very catchy song,
very poppy, very poppy. That between that maybe and um girl,

(54:48):
a song called Girl on the first album which was
also really catchy. All right, what's the best health tip
that you've ever received from? It's not sobid? What's the
best health tip I've ever received? Ye? One of because
there's so many of them. One of the best health
tip I've ever received, Um, I think it's man, there's

(55:10):
so many. The best health tip I've ever received would be,
don't work out for the physical results. Start noticing the
difference in your mental and emotional health. Workout because you
want to feel better, and you'll fall in love with
feeling better, and then you'll be consistent at it, and

(55:30):
then the physical results will come. And right, skip leg
day and don't and never skip leg never, Which is
the best cardio you'll ever have god, just ten squats.
I'm like, what the hell? I know that's because your
butt's the biggest muscle in your But I've never met ah.
I used to got such great legs, being you know,
a dancer. Right now, I have huge muscular legs that

(55:52):
I have not used them in twenty years. I have little,
dainty legs, skinny legs. If people come see me in
Puppetry of the Penis, I get to show off third leg,
third leg exactly. So he's been we're doing a lot.
I've been prepping for that. Well, you better prepare that
for our frost of Tips cruise, because you're gonna be
in charge of the talth and fitness and the talents

(56:13):
of Puppetry of the Penis. That's going to be closing show. Lady,
to hear that, BuzzFeed and dudes, all right, the last
one here for Jay Marie. He do you have any
regrets from your reality show? M Yes, I do. I do.
I regret not being an executive producer and having some

(56:36):
having some final edit. Yes, yes, and you know this
because you I would never do a reality show without
having final edit exactly, is why I have never had
a reality show. Yeah, I'll never give that away. That's
what the Kardashians they when they first made Contraction is
so big. The very first contract, we have final edit.
That's why you got That's why such a great show.
And I want to give credit to Matt Andate that

(56:57):
produced there and back. They produced lot of amazing stuff.
They came from the Osbournes they came from. But to
not have a final say is really as an artist.
That's what I realized with all these big label record deals.
I did say, you don't have a second Yeah, you're
putting your hands in another your life. Reality television is
opposite from scripted. So you shoot a show and then

(57:18):
you write the show after you take all these bits
and pieces of what you shot, and you you form
the story the way you want it to be. Yeah,
you can take this little conversation from five days ago
and put it in this conversation that happened just yesterday
and it's a completely different conversation. Oh yeah, you can
transform people's personalities in the editing room. Yeah, so you
know that better than anybody. I believe it. Now. Now

(57:40):
we have some okay, we have some J fourteen. Yeahay,
I think you saw this post, I have a right here.
We always like to put a teen magazine questionnaire in
front of us. I want to see I want to
see if your answers match these answers. So this is
from probably two thousand and two, two thousand and three,
So twenty years ago. J fourteen interviewed you and said,
what is your most ticklish spot? Oh? Can we go

(58:05):
like X rated with this now? Because it's not you
do it? Can we can? Let's go for it? What
are the rules on this podcast? The ladies want to
know every the rules. Wow, we're adults now, okay, we
are adults. Let's we gotta go taint. I knew, I
knew as I did taint. Okay, it's it's tickles. J

(58:30):
J fourteen printed that back in the They printed some
pretty cringey things they yeah, uh so yeah, and ask
some really cringey things like they asked Jac what kind
of animal do you kiss like? And he said, I
do Jac's voice. This is not his voice, it's just
my boy band or voice. Oh hey girl, I'd have
to say a fish, very open and wet. That's a

(58:52):
good choice. They are kissing fish. Thanks for the fact
there are you know, there's kissing fish. Right, Hey girl, Okay,
I have another question. Finish this sentence. I love I
love the smell of I love the smell of coffee.
I can't live without my coffee. I mean me too.
I'm just I'm kind of a new coffee guys. Right.

(59:12):
Just in the last time, I would say eight years,
never drank coffe until I'm at this one. How I
live on coffee. Same for me recently in the last
like eight to nine ten. I'll just do tea decalf too.
I just like the taste of it. Oh wow, Okay,
Well that wasn't your answer. Okay, that was not your
answer back then by voice. I love the smell of
a girl's hair. Every girl's hair smells different. There's usually
a perfume scent that I don't have. There's a perfume

(59:36):
scent that you don't have. These ladies, my god, and
this is my favorite. Wait, do you still like to
smell girl's hair? Um? I feel like that's like a
slightly it's about he goes around if you just watch him,
if anyone sees him in public, he likes a sniff
woman's hair. Like I was a little it's a little bold.
That was a bold answer. Right, And your last question,
are you a good kisser? Am I a good kisser?

(59:59):
What did you say? And twenty years ago? Well, I
know I'm biased. I've had some more practice, including Broadway
roles where you get paid to kiss. Yeah, I gotta
go with better now than ever before. Well what did
he said? And he said he gave a nice long answer.
I went deep. Are you a good kisser? Answer? Yeah,

(01:00:21):
I think I'm a good kisser. There are different levels
of kissing, and I think you have to be really
in tune with someone to know what kind of kiss
is the right kiss. Some people will kiss you and
you're like, wow, that was way too hard for Right now,
I think I'm I'm good at all the types of
kissing and knowing when it's the right time for which
that was complex. You're respectful for your kissing. Yeah, you

(01:00:44):
know you are an expert of all the types of
kissing and you know when you need to use them
most importantly. Oh my god. Okay, so you know the
answers don't match these days, but you know, we evolve,
We evolve. It's good to know that you like your
taint tickled and that you are a a good kisser,

(01:01:05):
all right, before we let you go, everyone wants to know,
is there ever a chance for new music coming out soon?
Will you join the Otown Boys for anything in the future?
Is there any hope? That is the most that's the
most repeated questions you get that, and I think I mean,
I would always say through the years, i'd say never,

(01:01:26):
say never, But lately I feel like I don't know.
I've not anytime soon, and there's there hasn't been talks
about it, and there hasn't been plans in the works.
That's why I say, probably not anytime soon. But the
older we get, I don't. I don't think so because
they've been The thing is that they did the Otown
Reunion and now they've been a band for ten years,
whereas originally we were a band for three and a

(01:01:48):
half years. So I think they have like they have
a new bond as independent artists as well. So I
feel like it might also be what if Vegas said,
because you live in Vegas, would be very easy for you.
What if Vegas said, look, guys, we want to bring
back a full group for twenty shows. That's all we
want to do. Would you would you join something like that?

(01:02:10):
Where you knew there was a finite. It's kind of
like our goodbye. That's God. I feel like a tugs
on that tugs on my my boy band heartstrings. Yeah. Yeah.
The thing about where I'm at now is like I'm
running this company and I have hundreds of people that
I coach. That's why touring would be hard. Yeah, like
it would be hard to be a part of the band.
But if you got that like very short stint, it's okay.

(01:02:32):
I can I can take three months. Just the thing
about life and for people that are listening, that are
immersed in whatever business there, and it's like, I built
this thing now that I can't step away from without
letting down hundreds of people that I'm coaching, and it's
really hard to take even a day off. So a
three month gig off would be basically like shutting down

(01:02:52):
my entire company that I've built for five years. And
it's not even necessarily that I wouldn't desire to sing
those songs and enjoy that and celebrate that part of
my life, which I really do. It's like life happens, though,
and you make choices, and I've built this company for
five years. That's so it's it's not as I'm like,
I'm a CEO of this company, so it's really be

(01:03:12):
very challenging for me, be very challenging for me to
step away from it. Well, High Level is doing great,
congratulations on that. Thank you. How could everyone like just
follow your social media's? Yeah, high Level, come to social media.
Come follow me on Instagram, on Facebook, growing my TikTok.
I hope to co star and a lance TikTok s.
We're gonna do one today. Yes, one awesome. I still
actually have some really good gen z questions for you

(01:03:34):
that we're gonna do a TikTok. Oh perfect. I love
it because I don't know any of these. Yeah, thank
you so much, Ashley. It's so good to catch up
with you. Thank you. It's nice to really get deep. Yes,
you so grateful to be on and the fans they've
loved you even really question on this show. So I'm
glad that you finally got to do it. You're the best,
all right, Ashley. Oh, what is your social media is? Yeah,

(01:03:54):
I'm just Ashley Parker Angel. I'll pop up on Facebook
and Instagram and on TikTok. Just google thirst Trap or
a Champion White champion winner. Thank you would I'd frame that,
put it on my wall. That's going up with the
platinum five. I wish I could ever say that I've
ever had a thirst trap photo. I'm gonna I'm gonna

(01:04:16):
get with you. I'm gonna high level my body for
a year. Yeah, I'm gonna have the courage to actually
put a shirtless picture. Let's do it. I've never posted
a shirtless picture, like on purpose, maybe on a beach
or something, but I've I've just never felt like I
ever was in shape enough. Oh my god. But the photographer, Okay,

(01:04:38):
I'm eighteen years old, and that's when, you know, back
in the day, because we're objectified as teenage you know, kids,
the photographer always trying to get you to take your
shirt off. But i'nna sly away. I know, well maybe
for this one you do. And then finally you just
in an ocean with your shirt off exactly, they find
that you got the shot. You look great? Are you
kidding me? We need to do the twenty twenty three

(01:04:59):
very of that. That is me. It's never done a
push up in my life. I will coach you. We
will hit the tonal. Okay, we'll do it all right?
All right? So okay, body by Ashley out all right, buddy,
good to seek you. Thank you mister Ashley Parker Angel, Yeah,
Ashley Angel Parker finding you out there. It's it's one
of those things. Yeah, because Angel, you would think is

(01:05:21):
more of a first name, and Parker would be a
last name. Peter Parker, Yeah, Peter Parker Yeah. Um, what
a lovely guy. He's always so nice. I know we've
got I mean we've known him for a while. I mean,
when you do something like Broadway together, your your bond
It's kind of like being in a boy band. You're bonded.
You're there every day with each other and sharing that
space and just having as much fun as you can.

(01:05:43):
And also the emotions come out. You're gonna be upset
with them one day, you're gonna love them one day.
It's all the emotions. So that really kind of bonded us,
and we've stayed for instits. I know now that he
lives in Vegas, we always see hi when he comes out,
and we got some hard hitting news. He likes his
taint tickled. He likes a little tickle tank. I don't
know me. He doesn't like it but it's the most

(01:06:04):
ticklish spot. So it is the most you know, that's
your most ticklish spot. You hear that, BuzzFeed. I don't
know how ticklish taint is. Well. Oh I always pretend
not to be ticklish, although I am ticklish. I know
some people don't. Can try exactly because people, you're done.

(01:06:26):
So Ever, since I was a little kid, I would
fight it so much so that people didn't think I
was ticklish. So I never get tickle attacked. And I
would and I did it. I like forced myself to
just take it. Yeah, my feed if you get in there,
oh I know you're oh my god, a little tickle. Yeah,
it's bad. Um all right, well that is all the
show we have for you. Um yeah, thank you so

(01:06:47):
much Ashley for coming on the show. Oh it's a pleasures.
Anything you want to tell the lovely listeners out there
before we let them go? No, just uh keep being
great guys, and being great I mean listening to us,
because you can't be great if you don't listen to us.
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(01:07:10):
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(01:07:30):
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