March 20, 2023 • 46 mins
Back for Good…with Gary Barlow!
Gary reveals to Lance how Take That was formed, sets the record straight on his feud with Robbie and shares stories about hanging with the Queen of England!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and my Heart
Radio podcast. Hello, my Little Peanuts, it's me your host,
Lance Bass. This is Frosted Tips with Me and my
co host, The Lovely Turkey Turk Chang. Oh why thank
you Lance Bass. Um Easter is on its way. We
got to plan our Easter egg hunts. So we always
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throw an Easter egg hunt for all our friends kids.
But now that we have kids, they get to participate.
They didn't last year because they couldn't hold a basket. No,
they were just nuggets last year. But this year they
can actually hold a basket. And our and Violet, our hoarder.
She's a good going to hoard these eggs, like, No,
she's gonna be a great she's winning the problem right.
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Oh she's yeah, she's she's built for this. Uh. You
know one thing that I learned last night that really
kind of made me very depressed. Oh my god, yes
you did. Yeah, so I'm I was talking to Giggles
last night, who has a niece who's sick or seven
and some around there. I've been excited about. Oh, potty
training is coming up right in the next couple of months.
We get to potty train um, and I you know,
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I want them out of diapers as soon as possible, because,
let's just face it, the diaper part is just the
worst part of having babies. It's just and twins, so
many diapers, so many wiping up the butts. So I
cannot wait for them to know what a toilet is,
to be able to use the bathroom, and then just like, Okay,
I'm done out of diapers. Well I just found out
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that you're still wiping their butt to like they're five, six,
seven years old, so you're basically not done with the
changing of the diapers. Yeah, well, use little kids can't
properly wipe their butt, which I feel like it's even
worse because if they're sitting on the toilet and other
business and then you have to go in, Yeah, they
get up and then you have to like wipe them
and then yeah, they're caller calling you. Yeah, like you
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need to wipe me, and it's obviously bigger poos at
this point they're like little kids. Well eventually they're gonna
do it for you when year old. So it's just
part of the life. I'm gonna I don't even if
I don't have to have them do that I'm making
them do it. Oh just put my pants kids. Yeah,
but that kind of depressed me a little bit because
I just thought, oh, you know two and a half, right,
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three years old. I think the three year old is
going to properly wipe their butt. I honestly thought that
they would. I did. Well, welcome to fatherhood. This is gross.
Let's not talk about this anybody. This is hey, this
is what the people want. This is this is the
people deal with lant um. All right, let's get onto
what we're really here for, mister Gary Barlow. So when
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we come back, we have the man, myth, the legend.
Take that Gary freaking Barlow, Please, welcome to the show.
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Gary Barlow was English singer, songwriter, record producer, television personality,
kind of does everything under the sun, lead singer of
the British group of Course Take that. Barlow is one
of the United Kingdom's most successful songwriters, having written thirteen
number one singles Yeah and twenty four top ten hits
Busy Man, Busy Man. As a solo artist, he has
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had three number one singles, six top ten singles, three
number one albums, and has additionally had seventeen top five
hits twelve number one singles and eight number one albums
would take that. That is crazy. And not only that.
He was appointed as Officer of the Order of the
British Empire at the twenty twelve Queen's Birthday Honors for
his services to the entertainment industry and charity that I
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cannot wait to talk about because as Americans we have
no idea what we're talking about when we come to
the royal family. So Gary Barlow, welcome to Frosted Tips,
my friend. So lovely to be here. Thank you, thank you.
Nice to see about you too. I know we were
just saying that we ran into in the airport in
Vegas not too long ago, but right, but we didn't
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get to catch up too much. We get it was
a flyby. It was a flyby. But now we get
to really catch up and I get to know you because,
especially sitting next to my young husband here than he
missed the take that era, which was very sad, very sad,
and you know, I got the tail end of it,
especially when y'all came to America, because you were so
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huge all over the world and then you finally come
to America and we're all dying for you guys, and
then you you ended up breaking up at that point,
and then it just kind of stopped, Like, oh my goodness.
Do you ever wish that y'all could have spent a
little more time in America to like take over. Yeah,
it's a funny one America because Mark Mark lives in
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Los Angeles now and I've we've lived down in Santa
Monica about twenty years, so we are no strangers to
the US. I'm not very big on regrets regrets of
something I don't I don't. I don't give them any
energy at all. I think how it worked out, as
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you know, we're all here now, we're healthy, was still working,
we're still making albums, so you know, regrets aren't big. However,
we do talk about the States a lot um, and
you know, maybe one day coming and doing a show
in Vegas or doing something. Oh my god, because it
is a shame that we never really got to share
our music. Yeah, we do have some American fans about
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three I think, nah, no, trust me way more than that.
Well there, y'all were such a big influence on us
because when we started. We started in the nineteen ninety five,
right when y'all were just kind of finishing your run. Um.
But you were such a big influence because it was
the first time that we could see a group that week.
It felt like us right, We're like, oh, that's that's
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the type of group we would like to be. The harmonies, everything,
and just your personalities. It was a huge influence. I remember, gosh,
when we first started. Uh. So, you know, we had
a manager, lou Perlman, who you know is Louke Proman
just took advance of everyone. But I remember one of
the first songs we ever recorded was a song called
I'll Be Back for More, which he wrote, and he's like, guys,
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I got this. I got this song. It's called I'll
be Back for More. It's gonna be great. We recorded
it for our demo, UM, and it goes a little
bit like, uh, be back for more. Um. We didn't
realize that it was a take that song called Love
Ain't Here Anymore and lou was just totally lying and
took your song and just rewrote some of the words
that he wrote that song. Classic, yes, classic. So that
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was my first introduction to your group, was this song.
Because we found out that this is all a lie.
Oh my god, well you should have. That should have
been your first. Did you write that song by the way, yes,
oh yeah, you should go ahead in the ninth. In
the nineties, we were we were, you know, kind of
put together by a manager. We didn't know one another
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before it. And it's crazy now because we we sit
together often backstage or in hotels and we're like, we'd
have never have met if that guy would never have
put us together. And look out happy we've been. I mean,
we've had thirty two amazing years in our band, and
thank god he did. We had the opposite experience. Actually,
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our manager was I mean, you know, he never cheated
us out of anything. Maybe a few lions, but but
he was very much believed in us, especially me, from
from very early on when I first went into his office.
He really believed in me as a songwriter. Even when
all the labels were saying, you know, this music's dated,
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nobody wants to hear this anymore. He really supported me
and forced the labels to to to go down the
route we went down with our music. And so we
have actually the opposite experience. That is that's nice and
refreshing to hear because it's what we all I mean,
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did you just hear all the horse stories. Even to day,
even all the lessons we've all learned, there's still groups
and soul artists out there. They're like, well, I'm signing
this horrible contract. Yeah exactly. Well let's go back to
how it did form um. So it really started with you,
um and this manager and being a songwriter. So kind
of group was developed around you. So how did that
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go down? How did you meet all the other guys?
So I went into Nigel's office and he said, I
want to make a group. And I said, oh, I
don't want to be in a group. No, I don't
want to be carrying drums and guitar amps and stuff.
But and he said, no, no, it's not it's not
that kind of group. And he had a video machine
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and pressed play on it and oncome hanging tough, new
kids on the block. So I watched that and I thought, okay,
so like like a harmony group like the Jackson five
or you know, the Assoman. He's like, yeah, exactly that.
No instruments want you to do small route scenes as
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a as a like a choreograph thing. You know. Funny
at that point he didn't know I was a songwriter.
As I left the meeting, I gave him a cassette
in an envelope and I said, will you listen to that? Please?
And I said goodbye and hoped i'd hear from him,
get a phone call, And by the time I'd driven home,
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he'd left about five messages on my answer phone like
who's written all these songs? Who's done the lyrics, Who's
done the music? And it was I mean, at that
point it was just me in my bedroom with a
track and a computer, and you know it was it
was literally by myself. And that's when he was can
you come back tomorrow? And that's when he started starting
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to put the pieces together. That's crazy. Now, where were
you born? Let's go back to the very beginning. Sure,
so you will know where I was born because I'm
I'm born in a shire. We call them shy as here.
You know, you have your states in the US, we
have shires here and I was born in Cheshire, which
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is between Liverpool and Manchester, so we you know, musically,
if you think about that, that time of being in
Liverpool with the peoples, with some some some of the
most amazing groups came through the sixties came from up
north in the UK. A lot of the working class
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towns were really producing some of the best artists even
through the eighties. A lot of the groups, like you know,
I mean there's so many of the of the electro
groups of that time that were from Sheffield and from
up north. It was very much a scene at that point,
so lots of music oasis. Well that's why his mother
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in League. His mother's from Manchester and she spent the
same thing. She was like, it was the best era
to grow up in right there, because all the bands
sixties were just incredible, so true. And my mum she
used to go to a little place in Liverpool when
she was small called the Cavern, and she went one
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day to see her favorite pop star, who was Lonnie Donegan.
And supporting Lonnie Doneghan was a group called the Beatles,
and at that point they were doing cover versions. Yeah,
they weren't even writing their own songs. So my music,
you know, started at home with the with the songs
my parents were playing. That's really how I ended up
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getting into pop music. That's all I listened to at home.
Abba the Beg's Elton John Billy, Joel, the Beatles, a
great catalog to grow. I mean, what a foundation to
be able to, you know, start your creativity, you know
with um, you know Michael here, his aunt dated Ringo. Yes,
and she did. Yeah, is that right. That's that's our
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claim to fame in the family. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's my clean fame. Yeah. Well I'm part of the family. Yeah,
you're part of the family now. Yeah. No, we have
a great photo of Yeah, he came to make Grandma's house.
I think a few of the Beatles did for dinner
when they it's my Dad's like sitting on Ringo's lap.
He's a little boy at that time. And yeah, yeah yeah.
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And they were ended as quickly as it began. Yeah. Well.
And and speaking of the Beatles dramas dramas, Yeah, the
Beatles obviously a huge influence for you, but also us.
And I remember you guys on one of your tours
did the Beatles medley, you know, and we loved it
so much that we did the same exact medley on
one of our tours I think over in Europe or
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maybe in America, but it was just it was one
of my favorite things to perform. And it was all
because you guys really taught us. That's great. Yeah, and
you know, many years later, I think it was about
twenty uh maybe twenty two thousand and nine, we finally
got on stage with Paul McCartney at the Royal Albert
Hall and we sang like a four piece harmony to
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hat Jude. So our Dreams came to room, I mean,
and it is one of the best endings to a concert,
that song. Have you met did you have you ever
like met any other Beatles or is it I've met
Ringo a couple of times down in Monaco whenever we're
doing you probably know all these shows like San Ramo.
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Do you remember doing San Ramo? Yeah, So whenever we
play San Ramo, we'd stay in Monaco and we'd often
see Shirley Bassi or Ringo there or the other one
was the James Bond what was his name? Oh goodness,
I can't remember his name. He was often there eating dinner.
There's you know, there's a there's a lot of the
English actually moved to Monica. Shirley how is Shirley Bassi?
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A story about her? You know, I wrote I wrote
a song for her on she did She did an
album in about two thousand and twelvesh where she listed
all her favorite songwriters and went to them and asked
them to write her a song. So she went to
like Rufus Waynewright, the Pet Shop Boys, David Arnold, lots
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of songwriters, and she came to me and asked for
a song. And I had to go up to Abbey
Road and sing it live in front of them. You
don't want to sing and got to play the song.
And actually the same night that we sang with McCartney,
I actually played piano for Shirley Bassey on that same
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concept when she sang my song. So I was very
very honest. Yeah, that is a day looking back at So.
I mean you your career has been so amazing. Is
there like that moment right there? Is there a moment
that you're like, ah, this is my favorite moment I've
ever had? Well, you know what we are, We've been
very lucky because we are a very happy band. There
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has been times when we've not been happy, but we
are real brothers, um and and you know we we've
all we look out for each other as adults now
and as father as we we look out for each
other and happiest times are always. We can be on
stage in the middle of thousands of people and I'll
just catch everybody's eye for a moment and all the
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chaos is going on around them, and I just think
it's just unbelievable that we get to do what we
do and we're healthy and we can still sing, and
you know, it's just lovely and so those rather than
awards or you know, capacity crowds, when I catch the
eyes of my brothers and we're on stage, it's really
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it really is. And you're right, I mean, it is
a brothership, you know. It's it's you go through something
like this, and especially at a young age, you're bonded
for life. I mean, it really is. And every emotion
comes out. And I tell everyone this, They're like, oh,
do y'all get along? Like, yeah, we love each other,
we hate each other, every emotion comes out. I mean,
just like a family member, you know, but you always
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get together. It is with love. And I know during
your you know, I know, Robbie and you had a
public I don't know if there's the public putting it on,
but you know, they really pit you against each other.
When you both went solo, it was kind of like
a Backstreet in sync type moment in history. Um, but
then you end up doing songs together. So obviously you
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kind of you know, put that fire out. But during
that time were you were you upset that people thought
that y'all might have like hated each other more than
you did, Like, how did that all go down? Oh?
Oh no, we hated each other, definitely did. Yeah, it's
exactly like you said. They are like families. There are
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extensions to families, and so you know there's a there's
a family pyramid within that that that it seems great
when you're in it. You know, there's a leader, there's
there's certain followers, there's people who add um intellect to it.
There's people that add a great vibe to it. You know,
we we have that pyramid, and I think that what
happens is you end up actually hating your position in
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that pyramid and you want to reshuffle the pyramid, and
when you do, then someone else has to go down
or And it's very complicated. But we we definitely had
our years where we hated each other, but especially robbing
me because you know, Robbie is um out of I
think out of everybody. I always say I have to
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apologize for myself. I am. I'm just super ambitious. I
just I'm always wanting better, always striving. But you know,
and Robbie's like me, He's the most like me, where
like you know, he will you know, he will spend
so long. You know, it's it's like we've got that
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gene in us. And so we're quite similar, which which
kind of explains why when we didn't get on, we
really didn't get on. And when we do get on,
we absolutely love each other. So it's complex, but it
but it works. How old were you when you started
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with this group? So I was nineteen when I joined
the group, and Robbie was was was actually two weeks
away from turning sixteen. Really he was so and he
really was young. He wasn't like an old sixteen. He
was a young sixteen and you know, and he had
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so I'm I'm the middle one, as Jason who was
above me, he was a year older than me, and
then Howard was two old years older than me, and
so we were like the three old guys who drive
the van, and then you've got the young. We used
to call them the pups, Mark and Robbie. They were
always the naughty ones. They were always you know, late,
we'd make them fill the van up and then they'd
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sleep all the way there while we would driving. You know,
they were the naughty ones. So they had a great
bond that those two did. Yeah, and you know, being
so young, do you feel like you were protected? Do
you have a good circle around you family management? You know,
did you feel like they were really looking after you guys? No,
I didn't. And and I go back to this, I
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think some of our members recognized it. And there was
a day that I think we were in Japan or somewhere,
there was definitely a day where we sat in the
back of the bat and we just we said we
we didn't get to bed till one am last night,
we've been doing interviews since half past six this morning.
You haven't given us any food yet. And it felt strong.
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All of a sudden, we spoke up for ourselves, and
we've never done that before. It was always like whatever,
you know, oh yeah, we'll meet those guys we've got
ut for dinner with. We just said yes, yes, yes,
so long and one day we just went, hey, you
know what, no, we want this, and from that day
on we kind of built this little wall around ourselves
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and it kept us, it kept us safe. For a
few years. We started to do things on our terms UM,
and it was kind of nice. It was kind of nice.
Our managing actually never traveled with us, so it give
us the freedom to just sort of take the reins
a little bit more. And it felt strong that day
when that happened. I remember, there's a very much a switch,
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UM and from that day on we kind of looked
after ourselves. Yeah, and that's uh, it's great. They all
had that realization. It's kind of opposite with my group.
I think towards the end of en Sync, we started
getting more of a voice, right, you know, we went
through the whole loop proment thing and we were like, yes,
we're now in control of everything, which we weren't UM,
and then we started noticing like, well, we're tired, we
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need we need a break every once in a while,
like you know. And so once we started saying no
to things, that's when I felt like that everything was
breaking down. Like I felt like the record label management
it was kind of like, oh, they're they're getting wint
to this. They're you know, they're they're asking for breaks now,
saying no to things, and I think that's when everything
just started crumbling, is when we really wanted to start
to just take care of ourselves more, which is really sad, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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it is, it is. It's it's a funny thing if
you if you take our situations from those days, groups nowadays,
would they'd never allow people to treat them the way
people treated us about them. It's a very different you know,
we're getting to a good place in this world, but
it's definitely a much kinder place than it was back then.
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We we we found it quite tough a lot of
the you know, the criticism and the you know, I think,
I think one of the things I often talk about
when I when I meet people who are from the
pop world is how much we're looked down upon within
our industry. Yeah, you know, it's just a pop band.
It's just and we always felt for years and years
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that we weren't we weren't worthy of anything. And only
after you know, years of doing it, you actually go, no, no,
this is good. We are good. Well, you know, look
at those people out there that aren't. We're doing our job.
We're doing our bit for music here. Yeah, it's so strange.
It is weird. Yeah, it's like and we felt the
same thing. You know, it was always we were looked
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down upon, right, It's like, oh, boy band, which, by
the way, when you started, did was there even the
term boy band? When did this boy band words start?
Because you were definitely there before that because we didn't
know what the word was to, like, yeah, night boys
came along. It's when I was first away it's a
German thing. Yeah, I think it's a German thing, but
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I don't know where. When was the first time someone
called a vocal group a boy band? Because that word
really stung back in those days, because you know, they
just labeled you that and just you were nothing. You're
oh you lip singing, you can't sing, you're put together
by a record label. I can't take you serious. It
kind of instantly like makes you into it like a
juvenile group, like oh, you're for kids or a boy
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but like, at the end of the day, you guys
are the ones selling the most albums and reaching the
biggest audience. So it's just it's crazy though, how then
you were still looked down upon within the industry, and
I'm sure you went through this too, where the industry
uses you too, like, I mean, how many Grammy nominations
did we get? But do you think they gave us one? No?
But did we perform every single Grammy's Yes, because they
wanted the ratings, but they didn't want to give us
the respect. Sure, sure, you know I had had a
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lovely you'll enjoy this. Peter Gabriel brought his daughter to
one of our shows. Now, I'm a massive Peter Gabriel fan,
you know a lot. I mean that anything. I just
love his bought, I love his songwright. I'm just a
massive fan of hiss It. It It was a really big
moment for me, and so of course I was doing
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what we were just talking about. Oh you know, it's
just pop music, you know, and he said, hang on
a minute, No, no, no, said these kids in here,
this is their first concert and that's the night they've
just had. There going to be coming back for the
rest of their life. As an all of a sudden,
I thought, yeah, that's so true. It really gave us
a bit of validation. I went straight to the bus
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to tell the lads. Everyone couldn't believe it, and it
was like, that's fantastic. So yeah, nice moment. I love
that so you have a super fan in the Netherlands
named Corey. I don't know if you have met this girl,
but my friend Christina sent over some questions because she
is so excited that you're on the show. And she
has a good question right here, because we were just
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talking about being so young. She asked, do you have
any advice on how artists can cope with mega stardom
at such a young age? Since you were a judge
on X Factor the year after One Direction formed on
the show, So do you have any good advice for
a young artist that is just about to explode? Well,
you know one thing I hate giving advice, Boots. There's
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one thing that I always try. And you know, if
people come up to you on an aeroplane or something
and they want some advice for their kids, I always say,
learn an instrument. And if your instruments singing, like really,
learn how to don't just you know, guess and chance it.
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Learn about it. Study here, you know it, be professional,
go out there and do exams. And because you know,
if you could learn to play something or you learn
to sing really well, you've got a job forever. You know,
you'll make people feel something. So I always say, you know,
go back to basics and I you know, we're signed
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to a Universal Records here. And the one thing I
always hear from record labels this, no one plays instruments anymore,
you know, because people want things now. They don't they
don't want to have to practice something for two years.
They want to learn how to play it now, right now.
And so they're they're seeing there's the latest artists who
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are coming through. They're just not learning instruments anymore. And
that's that's a real worry. It's true. It's that instant
gratification that everyone has to have right now, social media everything.
I mean, you know, back in our day, you had
to go to every single radio station in the world
to get your song played. Now it's like boop three seconds,
it's out there in the world and go ahead, radio play,
which you just put it on TikTok and there you go.
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That's yeah, that's nice. Kids have it so easier these days.
But it's true, like learn one thing that I wish
I would have done as a kid, because I you know,
I took piano lessons. But you know, as a kid
from Mississippi, you know, people start making fun of you
and they start saying you're gay and all that. So
you know, you stop and you're like, oh, I can't
play piano because of course I was a closet a
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little kid, so I didn't want people to think that
I was gay because I played the piano. That is
my one regret was not to keep that up and
that my play. I can tinkle around, I can write,
you know, on piano, but I really wanted to be
masterful and being able to play piano. And I if
I could just go back and just keep up with lesson,
I know, I took the same thing. My parents said, listen,
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you could quit af you on. We're not going to
force you, but you're going to regret it when you're older. Yeah,
and yeah, I regret it. Yeah, you know. I have
to say it's it's having real roots in music for
me has saved me, you know in the times when
you're thinking, you know, because there's a whole period of
like a nine ten year period in the middle for
me where I didn't do a lot of music. I
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couldn't work out where I was going. I didn't have
a record deal, and and but music, it's it taps
you on the shoulder and you need it, you know.
And and whenever I've whenever I've been in a mess,
Music's always got me out of the mess. You know.
If ever I've not been able to think straight, music
helps you to. Is there a particular style that you
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gravitate towards. Um, you know, it's folky. I think my
my my voice is sort of folky, and I love
guitars and I love piano and um yeah, so so
anything that's sort of acoustic, I think is is my
sort of start. I don't really do beat so, you know,
back in the nineties we had a little moment with
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beats and things, but it's not doesn't come natural to
me that. Yes, I know, we tried the techno thing
for good, maybe two months when we lived in Germany.
It did not suit us. Oh god, it was horrible.
It's like forcing yourself to do something that you just
and I absolutely hated that style back then. Now it's
all about dance music, but then it was just like
the I'm like, oh god, right, but yeah, we were
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we were not doing that. Um here's a question also
from Corey. I don't even know who this is, but
I want to know. Now, do you still talk to
Jason Orange, how is he? Do you know what now?
And again we do. So we we had a band
member who oh he was in the band, you know
we oh yeah, so so so we we were a
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five piece all the way through the nineties, okay, And
then Robbie left and I left and we had this
this this period where we went together. But then when
we came back in two thousand and five, we came
back as a four piece, so it was the four
of us guys without Robbie, and so weird. I mean,
we had more success second time around than we did
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the first time. Our records were bigger, they were on
the radio for longer, we were playing stadiums instead of arenas.
It really went great for us. And you know, and
one of our members, Jason, after our we did an album,
we did two albums by ourselves or four of us,
and then our third album we did it with Robbie.
So it was like this massive reunion. Everyone's going crazy,
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including us. It was just such an amazing full circle.
And Jason just turned up after that and he went,
that's it. We can't that's the end. It's done. I'm done.
I don't want to do anymore. And It's funny if
if it was if we were all nineteen, we'd have
all sat and begged him and talked him back in.
But there's something about being an adult. It's like, you've
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this comes a point where you've just got to respect
somebod his choice. Yeah, and we could tell he was
serious because he was really enjoying, like saying goodbye to us.
You know, you've got to carry on. And we were like, God,
he really is going, and that was it. He's never
come back, he's never recorded with us again. He speaks
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to us now and again, but he's very much turned
his back on the limelight. Doesn't want to be that
guy anymore. Yeah, and we all look, the older you get,
the more you just you know, change and want to
do the things that you want to do. And if
it's not being in one of the biggest bands in
the world, it you just don't want to do it. Fine,
I'm glad that y'all you know, left in good terms.
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For sure. Absolutely say I'm not a fan club because
I didn't know who Jason was. I know it's been
a while, Okay, I got to brush up, all right,
Let's get to a few fan questions now. Because I
don't want to keep you too long. I could talk
to you for that's okay, two days here, Oh, I
could say it all days all right? So what is
this is from Jessica el Milo? What is the best
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lesson you have learned so far in life? Let's get deep.
What's the best lesson they've learned the best lesson? Yeah?
So so um so me and my wife, So we've
been married. I say that I shouldn't say that I'm
her husband. She's not my wife and her husband. We've
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been together for twenty eight years. Oh my gosh, how
we met? We met on tour. Yeah, we actually met.
You know, it's funny. We actually met in the eighties.
I did this really terrible video in nineteen eighty eight
before I joined the band, and she was one of
the two dances in the video. So we met there
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and then she was she We did the Brits one
year and she was on that. We actually did the
Beatles Medley and she was on that show. We said
helow again. And then when we went out on a
tour in ninety five, we needed twenty two dancers and
she was one of them, and we just got together
on that tour. We literally from that day on have
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never been a part since. Wow, yeah, that is so well.
It's great to be able to meet the love of
your life, you know, especially in the height of your career. Um,
because I couldn't imagine, I mean, as a gay guy.
I didn't really get to date on the road. I
didn't get to really experience the road life of meeting
a girl and taking her back. But to be able
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to have that love your life already kind of set
with you so you didn't have to worry about meeting
other people, that must have felt amazing. And also, you know,
I mean, I mean, I still look around me now,
and you know, our business it attracts all the wrong people,
you know, really does. And I was so lucky that
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I found someone who who who loves me, and he
is a great person and an amazing bomb and just
a great partner, you know, because of course she doesn't.
She's not in the spotlight at all anymore. But it's
happy for me to be and knows that how much
I love what I do, and she respects and loves
what I do so much. So I feel, you know,
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if you were asking me about what I've I learned
it's to appreciate when you've got amazing people around you.
And for me that it starts with with with Dawn.
For me, how many kids do you have? We have
three kids? Three kids? Yeah? Did when you finally had kids?
I mean, because we just had kids ourselves, and you
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do look at the world much differently totally. You know,
it's no longer you're not selfish anymore. You're just like, oh,
this is what a selfless thing? It feels like. Um
with your with your writing, Did your writing change once
you had a family? Oh? I think so. I'm I
write songs every day. Every single day, I will write
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something or something it could be a boos, So I
write a lot. And I think that being parents and
having partners, the love is a different love than anything
else you can experience and sow the volume of it
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and the way it affects you emotionally and physically. It
just ends up in songs. It just does. It has to,
because it's just such a past of you. But for
you guys, we're actually coming out the other side of
parenthood now because we're starting to get our life back
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after all these years. So we're kind of starting to
rediscover each other. Again, which is actually quite beautiful too.
So we're getting our nights back in the week where
we go out, and you know, we get the odd
weekend away when they're away. It's very, very nice. The
next stage of being parents, you've got to look forward
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to that. Well, I'm looking for that. You know. We
start a little late time, so I hope when they're
getting out of the house that I am young enough
to actually enjoy life again. Who we're still enjoying you now? Yeah?
We are. We yeah, we you know, we we mean
it to go out and yeah, all right, I have
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a Bop magazine article from the early nineteen nineties. I
want to see if your answers still match them today. Okay,
so first question, how would you describe yourself? Extremely shy?
Yeah yep, quiet shy, yes, quiet shy? Oh and romantic
really oh? Hello? So how do you? Oh hobbies? What
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were your hobbies in the early nineties? What was my
hobbies back then? Let me think about that. It's my
hobby now. I never really two stories. Yeah, uh, you're
gonna have to tell me hobbies. I don't remember an
abby watching movies and playing with dogs. Okay, we've always
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had dogs. Yeah, there you got dogs, Um, romantic match?
What is your romantic match? Well, I know the answer now,
don't know. I was probably looking for the answer back then. True, Yeah, yeah,
so well, yes I would. Yeah. I think I found
my matches so well. I'm sure your match matched with
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someone with a nice smile and eyes, confidence, and I'm
attracted to happy people. There you go, There you go.
That describes describes doing perfect. I love it. I love it.
Um again. I think we're gonna have to do a
two parter with this because I know you have to
leave pretty soon, but I would love to have you
back on the show at some point in the future
(36:43):
because you've had so much we haven't been able to
talk about. Well, do you know what? Can I ask
you a last question? Yes, you did that amazing song
with Bat Yeah. And I've never met him, and I
always wondered what it must be like to work. Is
he like a professor? He looks like a science he
doesn't like a scientist. No, bt is awesome, really fun
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to work with it. I'm surprised that y'all haven't gotten
together because I think you and Hill together would make
magic Wow. Wow. I love that record so much. I
remember it coming on and I actually thought it was
Max Martin and I thought, oh my god, that guy's
done it again. He's done it. I couldn't believe it.
And then I read the credits, like, oh, it's not Yeah,
(37:27):
you know this bat guy. Yeah, And I've been a
fan of his ever since, so I've always listened to
his albums. All right, we gotta get you guys together.
That would be Make it happen, Make it happen. I
know that you are also met JC not too long ago.
I heard that y'all had a really nice time in England.
Do you have any stories with seeing any of fun? Guy?
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He's so talented. Do you know what absolutely love we love?
We had a he came to our show and he
came to see me before and then he enjoyed it
so much. He said what are you doing? And I said, well,
I'm at this hotel. It was about five minutes and
where he was. So he ended up coming over and
we sat up till four o'clock in the morning drinking.
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So we had a great time time talking about music. Yeah,
or you're both musical genjuries, Yeah, so I know that
must have been fun. All right, Gary? Oh, one last
thing we forged to talk about. The Officer of the
Order of British Empire. Please explain that to us dumb
Americans and you basically you planned the Queen's jubilee. I
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mean that's crazy. We I mean, I'll tweat to myself
rather than for everyone else. Loved the world, very proud
to have a royal family, and we're asked about it
wherever we go in the world, and we're very proud
of them. And I absolutely loved the Queen. Met the
Queen many times, especially in the preparation for the jubilee.
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We used to meet her every couple of months to
talk about plans and things. An amazing human being was
she very heavily involved with the planning too, or she's
just like, yeah, it sounds to it. Well, my my
meetings were always four minutes long. Oh well, so they
said you've got four minutes. My joke used to be,
I can be done in two minutes if we if
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you can answer this, and and I'd always been out,
I'd always be out before two minutes. She was very
knew exactly what she wanted, and she was so sharp
and with it. So I had many beautiful meetings with her,
and I've met the King many times as well, and
just very proud, um and so my, my, my, that
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kind of I don't usually talk about these things, but
I am very proud to have an obie. It's it's
it's you know, my mom came down the day I
was given it by the Queen, and it's for moms
to see their children. Of course, I realized it's not
about me getting this, it was my mom was so
proud of thought, oh, what a brilliant thing. But say
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history and the life that the Queen had from such
an early age. I mean, even us in America, if
we just admire what she did and being the face
of that country, she did as good as she could do, right,
I mean it's just like, yeah, and you know what
if you if you if you're ever around a lot
of those events that the royals, um, you know, have
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to attend. It's their job, isn't it. The amount of
shit chat and handshaking, it must just be exhausted. They
do it every day every day. Respect to you. That's
their life, you know that, that's what they took on.
And I just admire them so much. Yeah, I mean,
it's true. It's like we get a little taste of
that with meet and greets, right, but nothing like the
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family has, nothing like twenty four or seven. Must be crazy.
And there's definitely a song in there two minutes with
the Queen. I don't know, there's just work with that.
Maybe that could be the song you write today. Yeah,
Gary Varley, thank you so much for joining us some procestives.
It's been a pleasure getting to know, fascinating and again
we'll have you back, you know, months from now, so
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we can do it nice. Follow up. Are you in California?
I'm in California, Yes, definitely. Oh well, maybe next time
I'm there we should do on live. I would love
that because you're Are you here most of the time. No,
I'm usually there for like a few months per year, okay,
but we we record and often right there as well.
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You know, we'll spend the summer there as a family
and we love being in California. Well, I would love
to see you when you're back because we never leave
the house now because we do have baby twins, so
it would be nice to have an excuse to get
out for sure. I'd love that. Let me tell you
both for dinner, how can everyone stay in touch with
you out there. Well, you know, I'm quite active on
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social media. Yeah, I quite and I quite enjoy you know.
I think. I think when you from an era that
we were from, we always dreamed of a time that
we could directly talk to our audience, right rather than
through TV shows or journalists or whatever. And we can
because you get the truth. To be able to do that,
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it's true, because every single article, even if it's a
positive article, it's never right. Like I've never read anything
about me that was one hundred percent true. But with
your own social media, it's like, Okay, well this is
the truth, like you heard it right from the horses.
That's it. And I like that. I like that. All right,
thank you so much for joining us. We will be
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seeing you very soon. I can't wait to meet the
right to give that family my love. By mister Gary Barlow.
I knew he was going to be a great interview,
but man, oh, he's so friendly. I know, what a
nice guy. We've run into each other, you know, maybe
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three or four times in our lives, and he's always lovely,
but we never got to really talk talk talk. I
remember when we saw him like a couple of months ago,
and it was like in the bathroom, it was like
I think Ry Barlow like we're like, yeah, that is,
but uh yeah, we've never been able to like really
have real discussions. Um. I really wanted to ask him,
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you know, my main question about the Royals, No, do
you have any relation to Lisa Barlow? And did you
prepare her arrangement of a Wayne the Manger? If you
said that to him, he'd be like, what the hell?
I really wanted to Lisa bar for anyone else listening
that has no idea Lisa Barlow well down out under
that rock house, flies of Salt Lake City. Yeah, she
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has a beautiful voice. And she serenaded oh a Manger,
No for he's bad the litologies us law his sweethead,
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which is like do it? I did it? I did it?
Alwayne a Manger. That's not how the melody goes, I know.
But she did her own version. You know what, I
think that's probably I bet you she was in you know,
a Mormon choir, right and they you know, seeing tib
tibernacle um and that was her like alto line like
she has her mark was on her harmy and that's
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how she learned a way in a a manger. Well, I
should have asked it next time. I like it. I
like that version. That's the only way I'm going to
be singing that in the future to our kids, the
only version I know. Happy to you here. Oh my gosh.
All right, guys, Well that is all the show we
have for you today. Again, We're going to do a
follow up with Gary because this, I mean, they have
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so many questions, a lot of your fan questions. I
didn't even get to get to. I know it. Maybe
one day we can get Robbie Williams. Oh, no, Robbie's
coming out show. I talked to Robbie. Yeah, I know
him here and there. Yeah. Yeah, he's the one I
actually know from the band. Yeah, because I know his wife.
She was an old friend of mine. She was my
poker buddy. Good friends. They're very good friends. At least
they have really close together. All right, that is all
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the show we have for you. Thank you so much,
my beautiful, lovely husband. Oh you're taking some advice from
Gary Barlow. You know, the truth did inspire me. His
love for his family inspired me. I'm gonna start loving
you a little more. Oh, finally it took Gary Barlow
to make him love me. Oh that's a song to
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Lance was coming up with songs before we leave. Lance
is like, you know, I think he has a song
writing bug in him. Well, we were driving quickly, we
were driving home last night and we're on Moholland and
like on Mholland Drive, there's like these little overlook areas
where cars parked. Look at the views well background after sunset. Yes,
you're not allowed to park because it's dangerous, right, but
it's been very cold and rainy, and so it's you know,
(45:42):
it's cold, so cool. Yeah, so um. Every time we'd
passed that, there would be some cards there with like
foggy windows because it's probably raining and it's foggy because
it winds. Foggy windows. He's like, oh, I'm gonna write
that as a song, and he meant it. He made
me text the phrase five started. I've already started writing
foggy windows and it was great. You some lyrics in
the car that really just spoke to me. I know
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it's about the sunset. Yeah, it's a special look. I
can't help it. I'm an incredible writer. Yes, Well, I
get inspired by people having sex and cars on Mahland Drive,
Gary Barr who very um. Yeah, I have been just
I don't know. I've just been very creative lately. Usually
it's television shows, but for some reason it's just songs
right now. So hey, don't go nowhere, but it's fun
(46:26):
for me. Everybody's so creative. Everybody's so creative. Again, that
is all the show I have for you. I'm sure
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Radio podcast. Hello, my Little Peanuts, it's me your host,
Lance Bass. This is Frosted Tips with Me and my
co host, The Lovely Turkey Turk Chang. Oh why thank
you Lance Bass. Um Easter is on its way. We
got to plan our Easter egg hunts. So we always
(00:27):
throw an Easter egg hunt for all our friends kids.
But now that we have kids, they get to participate.
They didn't last year because they couldn't hold a basket. No,
they were just nuggets last year. But this year they
can actually hold a basket. And our and Violet, our hoarder.
She's a good going to hoard these eggs, like, No,
she's gonna be a great she's winning the problem right.
(00:47):
Oh she's yeah, she's she's built for this. Uh. You
know one thing that I learned last night that really
kind of made me very depressed. Oh my god, yes
you did. Yeah, so I'm I was talking to Giggles
last night, who has a niece who's sick or seven
and some around there. I've been excited about. Oh, potty
training is coming up right in the next couple of months.
We get to potty train um, and I you know,
(01:09):
I want them out of diapers as soon as possible, because,
let's just face it, the diaper part is just the
worst part of having babies. It's just and twins, so
many diapers, so many wiping up the butts. So I
cannot wait for them to know what a toilet is,
to be able to use the bathroom, and then just like, Okay,
I'm done out of diapers. Well I just found out
(01:31):
that you're still wiping their butt to like they're five, six,
seven years old, so you're basically not done with the
changing of the diapers. Yeah, well, use little kids can't
properly wipe their butt, which I feel like it's even
worse because if they're sitting on the toilet and other
business and then you have to go in, Yeah, they
get up and then you have to like wipe them
and then yeah, they're caller calling you. Yeah, like you
(01:53):
need to wipe me, and it's obviously bigger poos at
this point they're like little kids. Well eventually they're gonna
do it for you when year old. So it's just
part of the life. I'm gonna I don't even if
I don't have to have them do that I'm making
them do it. Oh just put my pants kids. Yeah,
but that kind of depressed me a little bit because
I just thought, oh, you know two and a half, right,
(02:16):
three years old. I think the three year old is
going to properly wipe their butt. I honestly thought that
they would. I did. Well, welcome to fatherhood. This is gross.
Let's not talk about this anybody. This is hey, this
is what the people want. This is this is the
people deal with lant um. All right, let's get onto
what we're really here for, mister Gary Barlow. So when
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we come back, we have the man, myth, the legend.
Take that Gary freaking Barlow, Please, welcome to the show.
(02:59):
Gary Barlow was English singer, songwriter, record producer, television personality,
kind of does everything under the sun, lead singer of
the British group of Course Take that. Barlow is one
of the United Kingdom's most successful songwriters, having written thirteen
number one singles Yeah and twenty four top ten hits
Busy Man, Busy Man. As a solo artist, he has
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had three number one singles, six top ten singles, three
number one albums, and has additionally had seventeen top five
hits twelve number one singles and eight number one albums
would take that. That is crazy. And not only that.
He was appointed as Officer of the Order of the
British Empire at the twenty twelve Queen's Birthday Honors for
his services to the entertainment industry and charity that I
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cannot wait to talk about because as Americans we have
no idea what we're talking about when we come to
the royal family. So Gary Barlow, welcome to Frosted Tips,
my friend. So lovely to be here. Thank you, thank you.
Nice to see about you too. I know we were
just saying that we ran into in the airport in
Vegas not too long ago, but right, but we didn't
(04:01):
get to catch up too much. We get it was
a flyby. It was a flyby. But now we get
to really catch up and I get to know you because,
especially sitting next to my young husband here than he
missed the take that era, which was very sad, very sad,
and you know, I got the tail end of it,
especially when y'all came to America, because you were so
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huge all over the world and then you finally come
to America and we're all dying for you guys, and
then you you ended up breaking up at that point,
and then it just kind of stopped, Like, oh my goodness.
Do you ever wish that y'all could have spent a
little more time in America to like take over. Yeah,
it's a funny one America because Mark Mark lives in
(04:42):
Los Angeles now and I've we've lived down in Santa
Monica about twenty years, so we are no strangers to
the US. I'm not very big on regrets regrets of
something I don't I don't. I don't give them any
energy at all. I think how it worked out, as
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you know, we're all here now, we're healthy, was still working,
we're still making albums, so you know, regrets aren't big. However,
we do talk about the States a lot um, and
you know, maybe one day coming and doing a show
in Vegas or doing something. Oh my god, because it
is a shame that we never really got to share
our music. Yeah, we do have some American fans about
(05:26):
three I think, nah, no, trust me way more than that.
Well there, y'all were such a big influence on us
because when we started. We started in the nineteen ninety five,
right when y'all were just kind of finishing your run. Um.
But you were such a big influence because it was
the first time that we could see a group that week.
It felt like us right, We're like, oh, that's that's
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the type of group we would like to be. The harmonies, everything,
and just your personalities. It was a huge influence. I remember, gosh,
when we first started. Uh. So, you know, we had
a manager, lou Perlman, who you know is Louke Proman
just took advance of everyone. But I remember one of
the first songs we ever recorded was a song called
I'll Be Back for More, which he wrote, and he's like, guys,
(06:07):
I got this. I got this song. It's called I'll
be Back for More. It's gonna be great. We recorded
it for our demo, UM, and it goes a little
bit like, uh, be back for more. Um. We didn't
realize that it was a take that song called Love
Ain't Here Anymore and lou was just totally lying and
took your song and just rewrote some of the words
that he wrote that song. Classic, yes, classic. So that
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was my first introduction to your group, was this song.
Because we found out that this is all a lie.
Oh my god, well you should have. That should have
been your first. Did you write that song by the way, yes,
oh yeah, you should go ahead in the ninth. In
the nineties, we were we were, you know, kind of
put together by a manager. We didn't know one another
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before it. And it's crazy now because we we sit
together often backstage or in hotels and we're like, we'd
have never have met if that guy would never have
put us together. And look out happy we've been. I mean,
we've had thirty two amazing years in our band, and
thank god he did. We had the opposite experience. Actually,
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our manager was I mean, you know, he never cheated
us out of anything. Maybe a few lions, but but
he was very much believed in us, especially me, from
from very early on when I first went into his office.
He really believed in me as a songwriter. Even when
all the labels were saying, you know, this music's dated,
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nobody wants to hear this anymore. He really supported me
and forced the labels to to to go down the
route we went down with our music. And so we
have actually the opposite experience. That is that's nice and
refreshing to hear because it's what we all I mean,
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did you just hear all the horse stories. Even to day,
even all the lessons we've all learned, there's still groups
and soul artists out there. They're like, well, I'm signing
this horrible contract. Yeah exactly. Well let's go back to
how it did form um. So it really started with you,
um and this manager and being a songwriter. So kind
of group was developed around you. So how did that
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go down? How did you meet all the other guys?
So I went into Nigel's office and he said, I
want to make a group. And I said, oh, I
don't want to be in a group. No, I don't
want to be carrying drums and guitar amps and stuff.
But and he said, no, no, it's not it's not
that kind of group. And he had a video machine
(08:40):
and pressed play on it and oncome hanging tough, new
kids on the block. So I watched that and I thought, okay,
so like like a harmony group like the Jackson five
or you know, the Assoman. He's like, yeah, exactly that.
No instruments want you to do small route scenes as
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a as a like a choreograph thing. You know. Funny
at that point he didn't know I was a songwriter.
As I left the meeting, I gave him a cassette
in an envelope and I said, will you listen to that? Please?
And I said goodbye and hoped i'd hear from him,
get a phone call, And by the time I'd driven home,
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he'd left about five messages on my answer phone like
who's written all these songs? Who's done the lyrics, Who's
done the music? And it was I mean, at that
point it was just me in my bedroom with a
track and a computer, and you know it was it
was literally by myself. And that's when he was can
you come back tomorrow? And that's when he started starting
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to put the pieces together. That's crazy. Now, where were
you born? Let's go back to the very beginning. Sure,
so you will know where I was born because I'm
I'm born in a shire. We call them shy as here.
You know, you have your states in the US, we
have shires here and I was born in Cheshire, which
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is between Liverpool and Manchester, so we you know, musically,
if you think about that, that time of being in
Liverpool with the peoples, with some some some of the
most amazing groups came through the sixties came from up
north in the UK. A lot of the working class
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towns were really producing some of the best artists even
through the eighties. A lot of the groups, like you know,
I mean there's so many of the of the electro
groups of that time that were from Sheffield and from
up north. It was very much a scene at that point,
so lots of music oasis. Well that's why his mother
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in League. His mother's from Manchester and she spent the
same thing. She was like, it was the best era
to grow up in right there, because all the bands
sixties were just incredible, so true. And my mum she
used to go to a little place in Liverpool when
she was small called the Cavern, and she went one
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day to see her favorite pop star, who was Lonnie Donegan.
And supporting Lonnie Doneghan was a group called the Beatles,
and at that point they were doing cover versions. Yeah,
they weren't even writing their own songs. So my music,
you know, started at home with the with the songs
my parents were playing. That's really how I ended up
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getting into pop music. That's all I listened to at home.
Abba the Beg's Elton John Billy, Joel, the Beatles, a
great catalog to grow. I mean, what a foundation to
be able to, you know, start your creativity, you know
with um, you know Michael here, his aunt dated Ringo. Yes,
and she did. Yeah, is that right. That's that's our
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claim to fame in the family. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's my clean fame. Yeah. Well I'm part of the family. Yeah,
you're part of the family now. Yeah. No, we have
a great photo of Yeah, he came to make Grandma's house.
I think a few of the Beatles did for dinner
when they it's my Dad's like sitting on Ringo's lap.
He's a little boy at that time. And yeah, yeah yeah.
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And they were ended as quickly as it began. Yeah. Well.
And and speaking of the Beatles dramas dramas, Yeah, the
Beatles obviously a huge influence for you, but also us.
And I remember you guys on one of your tours
did the Beatles medley, you know, and we loved it
so much that we did the same exact medley on
one of our tours I think over in Europe or
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maybe in America, but it was just it was one
of my favorite things to perform. And it was all
because you guys really taught us. That's great. Yeah, and
you know, many years later, I think it was about
twenty uh maybe twenty two thousand and nine, we finally
got on stage with Paul McCartney at the Royal Albert
Hall and we sang like a four piece harmony to
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hat Jude. So our Dreams came to room, I mean,
and it is one of the best endings to a concert,
that song. Have you met did you have you ever
like met any other Beatles or is it I've met
Ringo a couple of times down in Monaco whenever we're
doing you probably know all these shows like San Ramo.
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Do you remember doing San Ramo? Yeah, So whenever we
play San Ramo, we'd stay in Monaco and we'd often
see Shirley Bassi or Ringo there or the other one
was the James Bond what was his name? Oh goodness,
I can't remember his name. He was often there eating dinner.
There's you know, there's a there's a lot of the
English actually moved to Monica. Shirley how is Shirley Bassi?
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A story about her? You know, I wrote I wrote
a song for her on she did She did an
album in about two thousand and twelvesh where she listed
all her favorite songwriters and went to them and asked
them to write her a song. So she went to
like Rufus Waynewright, the Pet Shop Boys, David Arnold, lots
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of songwriters, and she came to me and asked for
a song. And I had to go up to Abbey
Road and sing it live in front of them. You
don't want to sing and got to play the song.
And actually the same night that we sang with McCartney,
I actually played piano for Shirley Bassey on that same
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concept when she sang my song. So I was very
very honest. Yeah, that is a day looking back at So.
I mean you your career has been so amazing. Is
there like that moment right there? Is there a moment
that you're like, ah, this is my favorite moment I've
ever had? Well, you know what we are, We've been
very lucky because we are a very happy band. There
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has been times when we've not been happy, but we
are real brothers, um and and you know we we've
all we look out for each other as adults now
and as father as we we look out for each
other and happiest times are always. We can be on
stage in the middle of thousands of people and I'll
just catch everybody's eye for a moment and all the
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chaos is going on around them, and I just think
it's just unbelievable that we get to do what we
do and we're healthy and we can still sing, and
you know, it's just lovely and so those rather than
awards or you know, capacity crowds, when I catch the
eyes of my brothers and we're on stage, it's really
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it really is. And you're right, I mean, it is
a brothership, you know. It's it's you go through something
like this, and especially at a young age, you're bonded
for life. I mean, it really is. And every emotion
comes out. And I tell everyone this, They're like, oh,
do y'all get along? Like, yeah, we love each other,
we hate each other, every emotion comes out. I mean,
just like a family member, you know, but you always
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get together. It is with love. And I know during
your you know, I know, Robbie and you had a
public I don't know if there's the public putting it on,
but you know, they really pit you against each other.
When you both went solo, it was kind of like
a Backstreet in sync type moment in history. Um, but
then you end up doing songs together. So obviously you
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kind of you know, put that fire out. But during
that time were you were you upset that people thought
that y'all might have like hated each other more than
you did, Like, how did that all go down? Oh?
Oh no, we hated each other, definitely did. Yeah, it's
exactly like you said. They are like families. There are
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extensions to families, and so you know there's a there's
a family pyramid within that that that it seems great
when you're in it. You know, there's a leader, there's
there's certain followers, there's people who add um intellect to it.
There's people that add a great vibe to it. You know,
we we have that pyramid, and I think that what
happens is you end up actually hating your position in
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that pyramid and you want to reshuffle the pyramid, and
when you do, then someone else has to go down
or And it's very complicated. But we we definitely had
our years where we hated each other, but especially robbing
me because you know, Robbie is um out of I
think out of everybody. I always say I have to
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apologize for myself. I am. I'm just super ambitious. I
just I'm always wanting better, always striving. But you know,
and Robbie's like me, He's the most like me, where
like you know, he will you know, he will spend
so long. You know, it's it's like we've got that
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gene in us. And so we're quite similar, which which
kind of explains why when we didn't get on, we
really didn't get on. And when we do get on,
we absolutely love each other. So it's complex, but it
but it works. How old were you when you started
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with this group? So I was nineteen when I joined
the group, and Robbie was was was actually two weeks
away from turning sixteen. Really he was so and he
really was young. He wasn't like an old sixteen. He
was a young sixteen and you know, and he had
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so I'm I'm the middle one, as Jason who was
above me, he was a year older than me, and
then Howard was two old years older than me, and
so we were like the three old guys who drive
the van, and then you've got the young. We used
to call them the pups, Mark and Robbie. They were
always the naughty ones. They were always you know, late,
we'd make them fill the van up and then they'd
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sleep all the way there while we would driving. You know,
they were the naughty ones. So they had a great
bond that those two did. Yeah, and you know, being
so young, do you feel like you were protected? Do
you have a good circle around you family management? You know,
did you feel like they were really looking after you guys? No,
I didn't. And and I go back to this, I
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think some of our members recognized it. And there was
a day that I think we were in Japan or somewhere,
there was definitely a day where we sat in the
back of the bat and we just we said we
we didn't get to bed till one am last night,
we've been doing interviews since half past six this morning.
You haven't given us any food yet. And it felt strong.
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All of a sudden, we spoke up for ourselves, and
we've never done that before. It was always like whatever,
you know, oh yeah, we'll meet those guys we've got
ut for dinner with. We just said yes, yes, yes,
so long and one day we just went, hey, you
know what, no, we want this, and from that day
on we kind of built this little wall around ourselves
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and it kept us, it kept us safe. For a
few years. We started to do things on our terms UM,
and it was kind of nice. It was kind of nice.
Our managing actually never traveled with us, so it give
us the freedom to just sort of take the reins
a little bit more. And it felt strong that day
when that happened. I remember, there's a very much a switch,
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UM and from that day on we kind of looked
after ourselves. Yeah, and that's uh, it's great. They all
had that realization. It's kind of opposite with my group.
I think towards the end of en Sync, we started
getting more of a voice, right, you know, we went
through the whole loop proment thing and we were like, yes,
we're now in control of everything, which we weren't UM,
and then we started noticing like, well, we're tired, we
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need we need a break every once in a while,
like you know. And so once we started saying no
to things, that's when I felt like that everything was
breaking down. Like I felt like the record label management
it was kind of like, oh, they're they're getting wint
to this. They're you know, they're they're asking for breaks now,
saying no to things, and I think that's when everything
just started crumbling, is when we really wanted to start
to just take care of ourselves more, which is really sad, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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it is, it is. It's it's a funny thing if
you if you take our situations from those days, groups nowadays,
would they'd never allow people to treat them the way
people treated us about them. It's a very different you know,
we're getting to a good place in this world, but
it's definitely a much kinder place than it was back then.
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We we we found it quite tough a lot of
the you know, the criticism and the you know, I think,
I think one of the things I often talk about
when I when I meet people who are from the
pop world is how much we're looked down upon within
our industry. Yeah, you know, it's just a pop band.
It's just and we always felt for years and years
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that we weren't we weren't worthy of anything. And only
after you know, years of doing it, you actually go, no, no,
this is good. We are good. Well, you know, look
at those people out there that aren't. We're doing our job.
We're doing our bit for music here. Yeah, it's so strange.
It is weird. Yeah, it's like and we felt the
same thing. You know, it was always we were looked
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down upon, right, It's like, oh, boy band, which, by
the way, when you started, did was there even the
term boy band? When did this boy band words start?
Because you were definitely there before that because we didn't
know what the word was to, like, yeah, night boys
came along. It's when I was first away it's a
German thing. Yeah, I think it's a German thing, but
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I don't know where. When was the first time someone
called a vocal group a boy band? Because that word
really stung back in those days, because you know, they
just labeled you that and just you were nothing. You're
oh you lip singing, you can't sing, you're put together
by a record label. I can't take you serious. It
kind of instantly like makes you into it like a
juvenile group, like oh, you're for kids or a boy
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but like, at the end of the day, you guys
are the ones selling the most albums and reaching the
biggest audience. So it's just it's crazy though, how then
you were still looked down upon within the industry, and
I'm sure you went through this too, where the industry
uses you too, like, I mean, how many Grammy nominations
did we get? But do you think they gave us one? No?
But did we perform every single Grammy's Yes, because they
wanted the ratings, but they didn't want to give us
the respect. Sure, sure, you know I had had a
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lovely you'll enjoy this. Peter Gabriel brought his daughter to
one of our shows. Now, I'm a massive Peter Gabriel fan,
you know a lot. I mean that anything. I just
love his bought, I love his songwright. I'm just a
massive fan of hiss It. It It was a really big
moment for me, and so of course I was doing
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what we were just talking about. Oh you know, it's
just pop music, you know, and he said, hang on
a minute, No, no, no, said these kids in here,
this is their first concert and that's the night they've
just had. There going to be coming back for the
rest of their life. As an all of a sudden,
I thought, yeah, that's so true. It really gave us
a bit of validation. I went straight to the bus
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to tell the lads. Everyone couldn't believe it, and it
was like, that's fantastic. So yeah, nice moment. I love
that so you have a super fan in the Netherlands
named Corey. I don't know if you have met this girl,
but my friend Christina sent over some questions because she
is so excited that you're on the show. And she
has a good question right here, because we were just
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talking about being so young. She asked, do you have
any advice on how artists can cope with mega stardom
at such a young age? Since you were a judge
on X Factor the year after One Direction formed on
the show, So do you have any good advice for
a young artist that is just about to explode? Well,
you know one thing I hate giving advice, Boots. There's
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one thing that I always try. And you know, if
people come up to you on an aeroplane or something
and they want some advice for their kids, I always say,
learn an instrument. And if your instruments singing, like really,
learn how to don't just you know, guess and chance it.
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Learn about it. Study here, you know it, be professional,
go out there and do exams. And because you know,
if you could learn to play something or you learn
to sing really well, you've got a job forever. You know,
you'll make people feel something. So I always say, you know,
go back to basics and I you know, we're signed
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to a Universal Records here. And the one thing I
always hear from record labels this, no one plays instruments anymore,
you know, because people want things now. They don't they
don't want to have to practice something for two years.
They want to learn how to play it now, right now.
And so they're they're seeing there's the latest artists who
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are coming through. They're just not learning instruments anymore. And
that's that's a real worry. It's true. It's that instant
gratification that everyone has to have right now, social media everything.
I mean, you know, back in our day, you had
to go to every single radio station in the world
to get your song played. Now it's like boop three seconds,
it's out there in the world and go ahead, radio play,
which you just put it on TikTok and there you go.
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That's yeah, that's nice. Kids have it so easier these days.
But it's true, like learn one thing that I wish
I would have done as a kid, because I you know,
I took piano lessons. But you know, as a kid
from Mississippi, you know, people start making fun of you
and they start saying you're gay and all that. So
you know, you stop and you're like, oh, I can't
play piano because of course I was a closet a
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little kid, so I didn't want people to think that
I was gay because I played the piano. That is
my one regret was not to keep that up and
that my play. I can tinkle around, I can write,
you know, on piano, but I really wanted to be
masterful and being able to play piano. And I if
I could just go back and just keep up with lesson,
I know, I took the same thing. My parents said, listen,
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you could quit af you on. We're not going to
force you, but you're going to regret it when you're older. Yeah,
and yeah, I regret it. Yeah, you know. I have
to say it's it's having real roots in music for
me has saved me, you know in the times when
you're thinking, you know, because there's a whole period of
like a nine ten year period in the middle for
me where I didn't do a lot of music. I
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couldn't work out where I was going. I didn't have
a record deal, and and but music, it's it taps
you on the shoulder and you need it, you know.
And and whenever I've whenever I've been in a mess,
Music's always got me out of the mess. You know.
If ever I've not been able to think straight, music
helps you to. Is there a particular style that you
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gravitate towards. Um, you know, it's folky. I think my
my my voice is sort of folky, and I love
guitars and I love piano and um yeah, so so
anything that's sort of acoustic, I think is is my
sort of start. I don't really do beat so, you know,
back in the nineties we had a little moment with
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beats and things, but it's not doesn't come natural to
me that. Yes, I know, we tried the techno thing
for good, maybe two months when we lived in Germany.
It did not suit us. Oh god, it was horrible.
It's like forcing yourself to do something that you just
and I absolutely hated that style back then. Now it's
all about dance music, but then it was just like
the I'm like, oh god, right, but yeah, we were
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we were not doing that. Um here's a question also
from Corey. I don't even know who this is, but
I want to know. Now, do you still talk to
Jason Orange, how is he? Do you know what now?
And again we do. So we we had a band
member who oh he was in the band, you know
we oh yeah, so so so we we were a
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five piece all the way through the nineties, okay, And
then Robbie left and I left and we had this
this this period where we went together. But then when
we came back in two thousand and five, we came
back as a four piece, so it was the four
of us guys without Robbie, and so weird. I mean,
we had more success second time around than we did
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the first time. Our records were bigger, they were on
the radio for longer, we were playing stadiums instead of arenas.
It really went great for us. And you know, and
one of our members, Jason, after our we did an album,
we did two albums by ourselves or four of us,
and then our third album we did it with Robbie.
So it was like this massive reunion. Everyone's going crazy,
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including us. It was just such an amazing full circle.
And Jason just turned up after that and he went,
that's it. We can't that's the end. It's done. I'm done.
I don't want to do anymore. And It's funny if
if it was if we were all nineteen, we'd have
all sat and begged him and talked him back in.
But there's something about being an adult. It's like, you've
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this comes a point where you've just got to respect
somebod his choice. Yeah, and we could tell he was
serious because he was really enjoying, like saying goodbye to us.
You know, you've got to carry on. And we were like, God,
he really is going, and that was it. He's never
come back, he's never recorded with us again. He speaks
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to us now and again, but he's very much turned
his back on the limelight. Doesn't want to be that
guy anymore. Yeah, and we all look, the older you get,
the more you just you know, change and want to
do the things that you want to do. And if
it's not being in one of the biggest bands in
the world, it you just don't want to do it. Fine,
I'm glad that y'all you know, left in good terms.
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For sure. Absolutely say I'm not a fan club because
I didn't know who Jason was. I know it's been
a while, Okay, I got to brush up, all right,
Let's get to a few fan questions now. Because I
don't want to keep you too long. I could talk
to you for that's okay, two days here, Oh, I
could say it all days all right? So what is
this is from Jessica el Milo? What is the best
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lesson you have learned so far in life? Let's get deep.
What's the best lesson they've learned the best lesson? Yeah?
So so um so me and my wife, So we've
been married. I say that I shouldn't say that I'm
her husband. She's not my wife and her husband. We've
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been together for twenty eight years. Oh my gosh, how
we met? We met on tour. Yeah, we actually met.
You know, it's funny. We actually met in the eighties.
I did this really terrible video in nineteen eighty eight
before I joined the band, and she was one of
the two dances in the video. So we met there
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and then she was she We did the Brits one
year and she was on that. We actually did the
Beatles Medley and she was on that show. We said
helow again. And then when we went out on a
tour in ninety five, we needed twenty two dancers and
she was one of them, and we just got together
on that tour. We literally from that day on have
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never been a part since. Wow, yeah, that is so well.
It's great to be able to meet the love of
your life, you know, especially in the height of your career. Um,
because I couldn't imagine, I mean, as a gay guy.
I didn't really get to date on the road. I
didn't get to really experience the road life of meeting
a girl and taking her back. But to be able
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to have that love your life already kind of set
with you so you didn't have to worry about meeting
other people, that must have felt amazing. And also, you know,
I mean, I mean, I still look around me now,
and you know, our business it attracts all the wrong people,
you know, really does. And I was so lucky that
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I found someone who who who loves me, and he
is a great person and an amazing bomb and just
a great partner, you know, because of course she doesn't.
She's not in the spotlight at all anymore. But it's
happy for me to be and knows that how much
I love what I do, and she respects and loves
what I do so much. So I feel, you know,
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if you were asking me about what I've I learned
it's to appreciate when you've got amazing people around you.
And for me that it starts with with with Dawn.
For me, how many kids do you have? We have
three kids? Three kids? Yeah? Did when you finally had kids?
I mean, because we just had kids ourselves, and you
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do look at the world much differently totally. You know,
it's no longer you're not selfish anymore. You're just like, oh,
this is what a selfless thing? It feels like. Um
with your with your writing, Did your writing change once
you had a family? Oh? I think so. I'm I
write songs every day. Every single day, I will write
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something or something it could be a boos, So I
write a lot. And I think that being parents and
having partners, the love is a different love than anything
else you can experience and sow the volume of it
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and the way it affects you emotionally and physically. It
just ends up in songs. It just does. It has to,
because it's just such a past of you. But for
you guys, we're actually coming out the other side of
parenthood now because we're starting to get our life back
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after all these years. So we're kind of starting to
rediscover each other. Again, which is actually quite beautiful too.
So we're getting our nights back in the week where
we go out, and you know, we get the odd
weekend away when they're away. It's very, very nice. The
next stage of being parents, you've got to look forward
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to that. Well, I'm looking for that. You know. We
start a little late time, so I hope when they're
getting out of the house that I am young enough
to actually enjoy life again. Who we're still enjoying you now? Yeah?
We are. We yeah, we you know, we we mean
it to go out and yeah, all right, I have
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a Bop magazine article from the early nineteen nineties. I
want to see if your answers still match them today. Okay,
so first question, how would you describe yourself? Extremely shy?
Yeah yep, quiet shy, yes, quiet shy? Oh and romantic
really oh? Hello? So how do you? Oh hobbies? What
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were your hobbies in the early nineties? What was my
hobbies back then? Let me think about that. It's my
hobby now. I never really two stories. Yeah, uh, you're
gonna have to tell me hobbies. I don't remember an
abby watching movies and playing with dogs. Okay, we've always
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had dogs. Yeah, there you got dogs, Um, romantic match?
What is your romantic match? Well, I know the answer now,
don't know. I was probably looking for the answer back then. True, Yeah, yeah,
so well, yes I would. Yeah. I think I found
my matches so well. I'm sure your match matched with
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someone with a nice smile and eyes, confidence, and I'm
attracted to happy people. There you go, There you go.
That describes describes doing perfect. I love it. I love it.
Um again. I think we're gonna have to do a
two parter with this because I know you have to
leave pretty soon, but I would love to have you
back on the show at some point in the future
(36:43):
because you've had so much we haven't been able to
talk about. Well, do you know what? Can I ask
you a last question? Yes, you did that amazing song
with Bat Yeah. And I've never met him, and I
always wondered what it must be like to work. Is
he like a professor? He looks like a science he
doesn't like a scientist. No, bt is awesome, really fun
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to work with it. I'm surprised that y'all haven't gotten
together because I think you and Hill together would make
magic Wow. Wow. I love that record so much. I
remember it coming on and I actually thought it was
Max Martin and I thought, oh my god, that guy's
done it again. He's done it. I couldn't believe it.
And then I read the credits, like, oh, it's not Yeah,
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you know this bat guy. Yeah, And I've been a
fan of his ever since, so I've always listened to
his albums. All right, we gotta get you guys together.
That would be Make it happen, Make it happen. I
know that you are also met JC not too long ago.
I heard that y'all had a really nice time in England.
Do you have any stories with seeing any of fun? Guy?
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He's so talented. Do you know what absolutely love we love?
We had a he came to our show and he
came to see me before and then he enjoyed it
so much. He said what are you doing? And I said, well,
I'm at this hotel. It was about five minutes and
where he was. So he ended up coming over and
we sat up till four o'clock in the morning drinking.
(38:09):
So we had a great time time talking about music. Yeah,
or you're both musical genjuries, Yeah, so I know that
must have been fun. All right, Gary? Oh, one last
thing we forged to talk about. The Officer of the
Order of British Empire. Please explain that to us dumb
Americans and you basically you planned the Queen's jubilee. I
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mean that's crazy. We I mean, I'll tweat to myself
rather than for everyone else. Loved the world, very proud
to have a royal family, and we're asked about it
wherever we go in the world, and we're very proud
of them. And I absolutely loved the Queen. Met the
Queen many times, especially in the preparation for the jubilee.
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We used to meet her every couple of months to
talk about plans and things. An amazing human being was
she very heavily involved with the planning too, or she's
just like, yeah, it sounds to it. Well, my my
meetings were always four minutes long. Oh well, so they
said you've got four minutes. My joke used to be,
I can be done in two minutes if we if
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you can answer this, and and I'd always been out,
I'd always be out before two minutes. She was very
knew exactly what she wanted, and she was so sharp
and with it. So I had many beautiful meetings with her,
and I've met the King many times as well, and
just very proud, um and so my, my, my, that
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kind of I don't usually talk about these things, but
I am very proud to have an obie. It's it's
it's you know, my mom came down the day I
was given it by the Queen, and it's for moms
to see their children. Of course, I realized it's not
about me getting this, it was my mom was so
proud of thought, oh, what a brilliant thing. But say
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history and the life that the Queen had from such
an early age. I mean, even us in America, if
we just admire what she did and being the face
of that country, she did as good as she could do, right,
I mean it's just like, yeah, and you know what
if you if you if you're ever around a lot
of those events that the royals, um, you know, have
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to attend. It's their job, isn't it. The amount of
shit chat and handshaking, it must just be exhausted. They
do it every day every day. Respect to you. That's
their life, you know that, that's what they took on.
And I just admire them so much. Yeah, I mean,
it's true. It's like we get a little taste of
that with meet and greets, right, but nothing like the
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family has, nothing like twenty four or seven. Must be crazy.
And there's definitely a song in there two minutes with
the Queen. I don't know, there's just work with that.
Maybe that could be the song you write today. Yeah,
Gary Varley, thank you so much for joining us some procestives.
It's been a pleasure getting to know, fascinating and again
we'll have you back, you know, months from now, so
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we can do it nice. Follow up. Are you in California?
I'm in California, Yes, definitely. Oh well, maybe next time
I'm there we should do on live. I would love
that because you're Are you here most of the time. No,
I'm usually there for like a few months per year, okay,
but we we record and often right there as well.
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You know, we'll spend the summer there as a family
and we love being in California. Well, I would love
to see you when you're back because we never leave
the house now because we do have baby twins, so
it would be nice to have an excuse to get
out for sure. I'd love that. Let me tell you
both for dinner, how can everyone stay in touch with
you out there. Well, you know, I'm quite active on
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social media. Yeah, I quite and I quite enjoy you know.
I think. I think when you from an era that
we were from, we always dreamed of a time that
we could directly talk to our audience, right rather than
through TV shows or journalists or whatever. And we can
because you get the truth. To be able to do that,
(42:08):
it's true, because every single article, even if it's a
positive article, it's never right. Like I've never read anything
about me that was one hundred percent true. But with
your own social media, it's like, Okay, well this is
the truth, like you heard it right from the horses.
That's it. And I like that. I like that. All right,
thank you so much for joining us. We will be
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seeing you very soon. I can't wait to meet the
right to give that family my love. By mister Gary Barlow.
I knew he was going to be a great interview,
but man, oh, he's so friendly. I know, what a
nice guy. We've run into each other, you know, maybe
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three or four times in our lives, and he's always lovely,
but we never got to really talk talk talk. I
remember when we saw him like a couple of months ago,
and it was like in the bathroom, it was like
I think Ry Barlow like we're like, yeah, that is,
but uh yeah, we've never been able to like really
have real discussions. Um. I really wanted to ask him,
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you know, my main question about the Royals, No, do
you have any relation to Lisa Barlow? And did you
prepare her arrangement of a Wayne the Manger? If you
said that to him, he'd be like, what the hell?
I really wanted to Lisa bar for anyone else listening
that has no idea Lisa Barlow well down out under
that rock house, flies of Salt Lake City. Yeah, she
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has a beautiful voice. And she serenaded oh a Manger,
No for he's bad the litologies us law his sweethead,
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which is like do it? I did it? I did it?
Alwayne a Manger. That's not how the melody goes, I know.
But she did her own version. You know what, I
think that's probably I bet you she was in you know,
a Mormon choir, right and they you know, seeing tib
tibernacle um and that was her like alto line like
she has her mark was on her harmy and that's
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how she learned a way in a a manger. Well, I
should have asked it next time. I like it. I
like that version. That's the only way I'm going to
be singing that in the future to our kids, the
only version I know. Happy to you here. Oh my gosh.
All right, guys, Well that is all the show we
have for you today. Again, We're going to do a
follow up with Gary because this, I mean, they have
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so many questions, a lot of your fan questions. I
didn't even get to get to. I know it. Maybe
one day we can get Robbie Williams. Oh, no, Robbie's
coming out show. I talked to Robbie. Yeah, I know
him here and there. Yeah. Yeah, he's the one I
actually know from the band. Yeah, because I know his wife.
She was an old friend of mine. She was my
poker buddy. Good friends. They're very good friends. At least
they have really close together. All right, that is all
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the show we have for you. Thank you so much,
my beautiful, lovely husband. Oh you're taking some advice from
Gary Barlow. You know, the truth did inspire me. His
love for his family inspired me. I'm gonna start loving
you a little more. Oh, finally it took Gary Barlow
to make him love me. Oh that's a song to
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Lance was coming up with songs before we leave. Lance
is like, you know, I think he has a song
writing bug in him. Well, we were driving quickly, we
were driving home last night and we're on Moholland and
like on Mholland Drive, there's like these little overlook areas
where cars parked. Look at the views well background after sunset. Yes,
you're not allowed to park because it's dangerous, right, but
it's been very cold and rainy, and so it's you know,
(45:42):
it's cold, so cool. Yeah, so um. Every time we'd
passed that, there would be some cards there with like
foggy windows because it's probably raining and it's foggy because
it winds. Foggy windows. He's like, oh, I'm gonna write
that as a song, and he meant it. He made
me text the phrase five started. I've already started writing
foggy windows and it was great. You some lyrics in
the car that really just spoke to me. I know
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it's about the sunset. Yeah, it's a special look. I
can't help it. I'm an incredible writer. Yes, Well, I
get inspired by people having sex and cars on Mahland Drive,
Gary Barr who very um. Yeah, I have been just
I don't know. I've just been very creative lately. Usually
it's television shows, but for some reason it's just songs
right now. So hey, don't go nowhere, but it's fun
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for me. Everybody's so creative. Everybody's so creative. Again, that
is all the show I have for you. I'm sure
you've already stopped listening, but thank you so much for listening.
Be good to each other, don't drink and drive, and
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