February 13, 2023 • 47 mins
U Can’t Touch This…interview Lance has with former boy bander and Glee icon Kevin McHale! Kevin reveals the crazy stories and drama that surrounded his beginning at Glee and how he came out…accidentally!Plus, wait until you hear what Kevin really thinks about the Glee documentary!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and podcast. Hello,
my little peanuts, it's me your host, Lance Bass. This
is Frosted Tips with Lance and please welcome my wonderful,
beautiful co host, Michael Turchin, or to you guys, Turkey Turchin. Alright,
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was that it was a good. Turkey was really great.
Maybe I should be a voice actor. I don't know, Okay,
I was speaking of voice acting. Uh, our Nickelodeon show
comes out very soon, I said, our show, I know.
I was like little side characters. I know, it's it's
really fun. It's called Bossy Bear. It's on Nickelodeon. I
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don't know the premise really, but we play the parents
of one of the characters little animals. I'm an owl,
I'm a gopher squirrel and a neurotic squirrel. And uh yeah,
we're gay Jewish parents and I'm not even Jewish. Yeah
that's great. Yeah, so we get to sing lots of
songs about Hanukkah and acceptance and it's gonna be awesome.
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And when we were there at Nickelodeon in our last episode,
we ran into uh Seth Rogan and I was too
nervous to say hi, you were. I know, I don't
think I've ever met him before, and I'm always that
person that kind of goes and was like, oh yeah,
like I we know each other, Like wait, we never met.
But I was just afraid he just made he intimidated me.
I couldn't say hi, I was ah European, Yeah, I
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got it, all right. How was your week Turkey? It
was nice? Yeah, you know, I had a nice weekend
in Park City. That was nice. And when we actually
didn't even do Sundance, which was crazy. Well, here's the thing.
I'm hurt. The last ski trip I went on, I
tore my shoulder. I broke the other shoulder, and I'm
(01:56):
just too afraid to do it right now because I
think I'm gonna reinjure myself off. And I have no
time for surgery this year. I got no time for that.
I don't have time for them. So we were the
losers that sat and then well not the losers because
I was in front of a fireplace, drinking hot chocolate
the whole time and sleeping in till eleven am. That
was amazing. So that was fun and we actually got
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we told you in the last episode we finally met
our baby mama, the egg that's the baby mama, which
I guess is very rare in surrogacy to meet the
egg donor. Yeah, but we just love her and we've
become friends with her. So she's about to move away
from California, so we're trying to spend as much time
with her as possible. And it's so weird though, because
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she looks just like my son, So I'm wondering what
she thinks, you know, when she sees her face in
his face. That's got to be weird. Its somewhat right,
but she seems so not affected at all. Yeah, like
this is this is cool, but yeah, that that would
just be weird. That. Yeah, alright, let's get to the
show because we have a very special guest today. Um
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Kevin Michael McHale is an American actor, singer, and dancer.
Formerly one of the two lead vocalists of the boy
band in lt. Michael is best known for his role
as Already Abrahams and the Fox comedy drama series Glee.
I've heard of that show from He hosted the British
panel show Virtually Famous on e four, twenty nineteen. Michael
angle co star Jenna Ushkowitz Love This Woman began a
(03:24):
podcast called Showmans, but then they rebranded it. It's where
they recap Glee episodes and interview the Glee class cast,
which we gotta get into because a big documentary came out. Um,
and then now it is uh and that's what you
really missed and it's on I Heart Radio right here.
Kevin Michael, welcome to the show for having me. I
get to see you so often just out and about
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in West Hollywood. I'm definitely always coherent. Yeah, yeah, totally totally. Yeah,
just drinking a little sparkling water. I love water to AMU.
When were you able to kind of come out blckly? Um?
I did it by accident on Twitter? How did that
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go down? It was fine? But my friends actually something
that you know, they all thought I had hired a
publicist because so many media outlets had picked it up,
and I'm like, no, I was just excited about new
Ariana Grande. Yeah, I added myself, and because I I
think at some point I just stopped caring. But growing up,
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I was so nervous and I came from music and
just figured like, this will never be something I will
ever tell anyone, And I was fine with that. I
guess I thought I was, and so then it just happened.
We were that generation. I was just talking to Jonathan
been about this an hour ago, and you know, we
were just a part of that generation of entertainers that
kind of had to go through it. You know. It's
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you know, we started our careers with everyone around us
saying you can't do this, you can't do this. We
had no permission to be gay, and we just accepted it.
And then as you get older, like, well this sucks,
I don't I feel like myself. And then, like you said,
you just kind of get over it. You're like, yeah,
screw it, I'm who I am. And now this new
generation of entertainers they get to be whoever they want.
In fact, it's better when you come out and you know,
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be so authentic. It's incredible to see because I feel
like when we were growing up there was, at least
for me, especially when you're younger, it was almost like
a feticization, fetitization of the double life of it all.
I'm like, oh, this is fun, this is I have
a secret boyfriend, but nobody really knows. And now you
just see like everybody's queer now and it's true. And
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am I good for them? Must be? I'm so proud
of you. Jealous. This is a boyband centric show, of course,
so we have to talk about in lt um. So
let's dive into the beginnings of this. When did you
first know you could sing? Um? I still don't know
if I can. I'm I'm still figuring that out. I
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was the youngest my family, so I was by default
sort of the entertainer. You know, I was by far
the youngest. Everyone was much older than me, so I
was probably just dying for attention and would get on
the top of the countertops and sing my heart Will
go On. And my parents had no idea that I
was gay, especially because this is in Texas. Yeah, and
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they were like my mom loved it. I'd put on
like I would do my version of Fan of the
Opera in the living room and and I don't know,
I was, you know, three ft tall, a little shorter
than now and putting on so from a young age,
like I remember, at seven, my sister got married and
I was really young, and I they had me seeing
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I just can't wait to be king from the lion
King at the end of the reception, and I think
that was the first time I've ever sung outside of
my house and like, oh, I like this. People actually
they love me. They really loved me. Like, oh, they're
all staring at me. I hate it, but I can't. Um. Now,
I grew up in Texas and went to the same
singing teacher as Dammil, Vado, Hunter Parish, Ryan Cabrera, Ashley Simpson. Um, first,
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do you know them well at all? Did you know
each other when you were grown up? I did. I'm
still friends with a lot of them, And um, it's
so odd that we all sort of came from the
same place and everybody has done their thing. Jason felt
it all there too. That sounds vague. Yeah, he was
like the the producer of all virgin uh you know,
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TV shows and films, like he came from that Richard
Branson world. But he grew up with them in the
same town. It's very very odd. But yeah, we were
all from the same singing teacher. Who was the singing
teacher give them shout out? It was Linda Septian. Okay, Yeah,
now here's the first for us to tip. How when
you want to get into music and you know it's
very good, and enacting coaches are great. How do you
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find a coach that's tough. I mean I definitely bounced
ound and I don't think it until I was well,
I think you have to also do what is available
to you. So Linda, for example, in Dallas, that was
the first time I had I didn't even know seeing
like vocal coaching was the thing. I was so naive
and ignorant to all of these things. And um got
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recommended to her because I don't know, my sister had
asked around. It was people just asking around. He was like, oh,
she's a singing teacher, so I'll just try it. And
I think you just sort of have to sort of
Jesus take the wheel. And because it's not like there,
especially where I was growing up, there wasn't like there
was a huge selection of vocal coaches to be going
to or a bunch of dance studios to be going to,
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and so within that small circle, it was finding one
that I could afford, which was also a big battle,
and then finding one that I felt like cared or
gave me a shot or saw me for what I
was hoping to do. And you know, a lot of
trial and error like, it's okay if it doesn't, you
just keep sort of finding the person. I didn't know
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that either, you know, growing up, you know, when I
was a teenager, you know, before in Sync, I had
no idea that I would ever be a real singer, right,
I just didn't even pop into my head. I didn't
think someone from a small town like mine could ever
do anything big on the stage showed them. Um. But yeah,
there was a vocal coach, Bob Westbrook, and my very
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first boy band. Yes, I had an original boy band
called Seven Cards Stud. Seven Cards Stud incredible that we
wore vests. They were sparkly. Uh. There were seven of
us and we would do like Medley's, right, you know,
fifties Medley's and sixties medals like a vocal group. It
was a vocal group. You know, we're a capella group.
But we would go to state fairs and you know, compete. Uh.
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We would always get beat, but you know, we would compete. Uh.
And Bob Westbrook was the one who kind of prepared
us for that. And because I knew Bob and I
was the bass singer, and that that was justin timber
League's vocal coach and he would come down from Germantown,
Tennessee to Jackson, Mississippi, and he would travel and be
the vocal coach for all these like a sparring young kids. Uh.
So that's how I got in sync was through this
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vocal coach that I barely knew just because of my
first boy. And he was like, yeah, I got a
guy lands. He's a bass singer, but his mom will
never let him do it, Like that'll be impossible, But
thanks mom, you let me do it alright. So in
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two thousand six, n LT not like them. How did
you come up with that name? I didn't so luckily.
I can you know, um not take credit for that. Okay,
I had our first name that Luke Broman wanted. Yea
his met We would have never have made it with
that name. Never would have Maybe no stadium tours with
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kiss Men, Yeah, not so much. Yeah, you didn't all
your band members well at all, not at all. Now
how did you How did this band form? Because this
is at the tail end of when when boy bands
kind of started falling off. We were absolutely in no
man's land in terms of time, I think because we
all grew up watching you guys, and so we were all.
I mean, I learned to dance and sing from watching
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and sing videos gets in front of the tea videos.
You know, Oh, shots fired, shots fired. I was more
of it. I like the up tempos. You're not a
mid tempo ballad type. Every now and then there's something
for everyone, yeah, um. And so I had always wanted
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to be in a boy band, and then I started
coming out to l A from Texas for acting things
over the summer and things like that, and had a
dance agent, which is wild, yeah, because I I don't
know how I got one. I should I had no
business having a dance agent. And I had just gone
back to Texas and they called and said there was
audition for a boy band, and I was freaking out.
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It's like, oh my god, it's my dream. I had
no idea really that it was just the timing was
so bad. It couldn't have been worse. And I flew
back out to audition and I knew it was the
manager of B two K at the time, who was
like massive, and it's like this is great, this is perfect.
And I go in and I audition and they called me.
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It was at the Stance Studio right around the corner
from here, and they called me like two days later
or something like, I think he's a good fit. What
are you willing to stay like an extra week so
we can all like hang out and meet up. And
then I think I ended up staying there for a month,
staying in l A for a month and met the guy.
I was replacing somebody. Yeah, I I didn't know that
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I and it happened to be. And I did not
know this when I first got on the boy band.
The actor I kept going up against the most on auditions,
and he always kept booking the auditions because he was excellent.
He happened to be in the boy band and I
had no idea he could dance, and saying, you've got
to be kidding, like really, out of all the people
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in this town, like the one kid. Yeah, looking back
on it was like maybe I had a crush on him.
And that was also um so I was, I was
replacing him, and then that was it. I just I
also was so to me these kids were so cool.
They had grown up in l A. One of them
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parents owned the dance studio, so you know, it's like
a whole different thing. And I was this kid coming
from Texas, just wearing like Quicksilver and Billabong like shorts
and T shirts. I had no idea. I feel you. Um,
so you were the B T K B two K management.
What were they promising you at the time? Like, what
what were their expectations they I'm sure anything you can imagine,
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just like, oh, I think they're gonna be huge, like
they're like the white B two K. And that was
the whole thing. It was like we were the white
because okay, but we could not dance like B T
K B was also cool. We were not inherently cool
like B t K at all. And you know, I
think we in the back of our minds where was like, yes,
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we want to be in sync and back she plays well.
Worked with some great Timberland. Yeah, Ryan Tedder, my buddy Ryan.
What was it like working with just mega writer producers
at that time? Well, I mean back then, Ryan Tedder
was not the Ryan Tedder we know. He was going
through record label issues with One Republic at the time.
Oh yeah, see I had him right before that because
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my mom discovered him. Really can you believe that my
mama discovered and she's not in music, but she's a teacher.
She has tastes. She has great taste. But yeah, when
we we signed him and put him on this MTV show,
uh Freelance Searched two thousand, it was it was. It
was the American idol basically kind of one that no
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one would sign him. Absolutely, no one would sign a
white solo artist because I like, will never work in
this country. Then Tim Bland came on board and blow
him up, and we were I remember we'd sit in
the studio and he would be like, Okay, now, what
would like Beyonce's writers do. He's like, okay, what she
would do with this malady? And we would work, you know,
and cut two less than five years later or something,
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and he had halo. I was like, okay, yeah, it
must be nice. You really smashed it, right, Huh. Super talented,
so so so talented. I would really get you know,
it's something like him too. I could we go into
the studio and he would sort of, you know, just
sing it like this. So you're an incredible singer. I
can't see all of us have that range or technique.
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It means so talented. Um. Now an album was in
the works but ultimately canceled. Uh. And then you all
broke up in two thousand nine. What what went down? Well,
we give us the truth, you know, yeah, I'll just
give you the truth, a true Hollywood story, no press
turning red and um sweating and nobody even knows who
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n LT so it doesn't matter. But what happened was, Um,
we we had a single called she said, I said
that was doing quite well. I think it got thirty
something on Billboard, and so we were shocked and you know,
crazy happy, and then there started to be some controversy
(16:22):
with our manager shocking. Um, not too dissimilar from things
you've experienced, I think, and so we we're like, how
do we He totally formed us like we were his
project completely, and so then we were sixteen seventeen trying
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to figure out how do we leave him. We had
at this point we were signed with Geffen, like Ron
Fair at Geffen, and we knew like, well, we want
to stay with them. We don't want to go. We
feel like we were going to get in trouble and
doing something wrong. But we sort of rutrated to go
around circumvent the management, tell Iron that we wanted to
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break away from him, and he was supported and as
an artist you should be able to choose your representation,
but had been like I think we had been a
band technically for four years, not that we were active
for four years, so it just felt like a really,
really big deal. So we started to break away from that,
and we started to find other people who had worked
with us, like our tour manager, and things like that.
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Started to big We're glad you're doing this, and would
tell us sort of the shady things that the manager
had been doing to everyone, you know, to every department,
making side deals and all that. Yeah, and it's like, yeah,
we didn't see not that we were making money, but
we were living off of advances and things like that
at the time, and we were not getting most of
those advances for We found out when we went on
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tour too, that they weren't even providing the the gas
money to the tour manager to pay for the tour bus,
and so she was doing out of her pocket and
wouldn't tell us because she was trying to protect us.
But he funneled up apparently funneled that money to go
make a music video for one of his other artists
or something like that. So things like that were happening,
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and then I auditioned for Glee during that towards the
end of that, did your Nemesis audition for that too? No,
I never saw her again. I don't know where he went,
but luckily he was busy that day. And so the
summer after this sort of happening happened, I audition for
Glee and randomly got it, you know, just iud for
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things all the time, it didn't get them. I happened
to get this one. And also at the time, one
of the other singers in the group he I think
we had I don't know the timelines messy in my head,
but I'm giving you the really long version of this.
But then he told us that he had sort of
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behind our completely, had gone behind our backs and gotten
himself a solo deal with Ron Geffen. But yeah, however
we had no success yet, there was no album out.
We had to put out singles. No, and it was
and because he found out from the label that, oh,
they have no more budget for an LT that year. Rick, well, yeah, no, ship,
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it's like October. Have you heard of the quarter system.
I'm the one who checks the royalty reports how much
we're spending or they're spending on us. Every quarter, and
so he's like, well, you know, and I can still
do things with the group. And I was hopes. I
was crying and bawling and like that was it. That
was sort of like, oh, well, we can't really do
this anymore. What happened was Fox and Geffen had verbally
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agreed to let me do the show, and they did,
like all the business affairs that talked to everybody, they
talked to me, and they're like, this is great. This
never happens, like cool. And then two of the guys
in the group, the other two guys in the group
of n LT, exercise their option to get out of
do you want I don't know why I'm telling you,
I want to hear this. Um they left an LT
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and they're like, you should probably do that too. But
by this point Glee had already been picked up and
we were filming the first thirteen episodes. Oh and then
the pilot had aired after the finale of American Idol,
and we had the number four songs in the country,
and I was like, oh yeah, let me just put
in my paperwork too. Here's the written thing where I'm
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getting out of my m LT contract. Whatever. I didn't know.
We didn't know that we had there were options in
our LT contract to sign us a solo artist. So
they said, no, we're opening the option to keep you
as a solo is going to take off like no other.
And not that I was contacted by them, not that
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they even had any interest in doing it. They just
exercised the option, and then somehow Fox found out and
that's when all that happened. I got any questions over there, Turkey,
any questions about I mean about Gleaves good stuff you
want to get because the doc came out, I've not
seen that. Did you watch the doc at all? Okay,
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so you're against it? Okay, So the whole cast doesn't
like this because what what side of the story was told? Then?
Like who was telling this story? Couldn't tell you from
from what I've seen, because some people tweeted me to like,
what is this. It's people who had like peripheral experiences
and an assistant of somebody, somebody who worked on one
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season of something in the crew and yeah, and you're
talking about really serious things. These are people just because
like you are around to like gossip on set for
a year or something, doesn't mean you know anything substantial
about these actors as humans, especially all the tragedies that
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happened exactly. It's like these are for you to sort
of like win up and spend these things into something
that it's not like ship happens, horrible things just happen
that doesn't and we all did work together, but that
doesn't mean it needs to be some crazy Seriously, it's like, oh, well,
this person said this thing, and so it must have
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been that person who said It's like nobody knows shit.
It's like the things I could see from people tweeting
me um, I was like, wow, there's it's really and
this is like a small thing. I don't even think
that show did that well or anything, but it made
me just think about the people who are super super
famous who have to go through that all the time,
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every single day, and there's conspiracy theories and people don't
know anything about any people. Yeah, and you, if you,
God forbid you ever go on TikTok and see some
of these people who were like I just heard this
blind item about this person and they have the mass
like hundreds of thousands of followers and are just saying
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the most mundane basic as I'm like, if you're gonna
come up with a conspiracy at least like make it
more interesting. You like the Brittany people and say she's
dead and it's a clone. They say that about Avril
Levine too, They're all clones. Um. Now, I obviously know
a lot of people that were on your show, and
I know just being on Glee it was like being
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in a boy band in a way, because I know
the rehearsals that y'all had to do, the fandom that
y'all had, the performances and tours you would go on,
you would have the screaming fans, So you got to
know what it was like to be in a band.
I did get a taste of that. We were like
a glorified cover band, but it was that was sort
of my boy band success story. What was your favorite
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did you like? Did you like, you know, filming, because
I know your days were hard. I've heard I've heard
some stories. Um, did you like filming the show or
did you like touring and being on stage more? Oh?
I don't know if I had a preference, but I
think Guy was one of the only ones who did
love touring. Nobody else really enjoyed it the way I did,
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which I understand it was that has to be your dream,
and that absolutely was my dream, and I think for
some people it was like, you know, we had just
shot for nine and a half months and go straight
into a tour and we didn't really have a break.
Like for the second tour we did, which was an
arena tour, we had three days off and then we
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set up the show in three days and then we
were just gone and they only had us for a
certa amount of time. So we did basically like a
three month tour in six weeks. We were doing matinees
like a concert. It wasn't like it was a theater show. Yeah,
we went to Toronto and did four shows and over
Saturday and Sundays. What is That's a lot? They were
trying to maximize there, and you know, but that was
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very very surreal having grown up and like seeing people
like you performing in arenas and stadiums and getting to
go even if it wasn't character I was like, I
don't care, Yeah, it's it is quite the experience. And
to be able to have, you know, been able to
do that, I mean not not many people understand what
that's like because the road is hard. It's tiring. It's
it's tough. Who was your crew on that show? Who
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is your I mean, Jenna obviously really good friend of yours,
you'll do a podcast together. Um, but who was your
your besties on that show? I mean, I know it
sounds everyone we were. We were all obsessed with each
other like we would I mean, for like for tour,
for example, they had like a girl's dressing room in
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a boy's dressing room, and then Chris and I would
always be sneaking into the girls. So I was definitely
closer with all the girls. Um, and we had like
one of our pas, we had two pas on tour
that we're also pas on the show, Italian Megan, And
they were part of the crew just as much as
you know, any of the cast, Like we were all
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just besties. And so yeah, Jenna and Amber and Chris
and we're all I know that's a lame answer, but
I think also the show worked for so long because
we were all that close. When you do your podcast,
and that's what you really missed. Um, what is it
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like going back and rewatching these episodes? Because this is
people do this now a good bit on podcast. It's
so fun, you know, boy, Meets World does it? Now?
All these iconic shows, what's it like watching because I
can't go back and watch anything I do. I get
so embarrassed. But you're forced to have to watch these, Uh,
what is it like watching yourself? You know, as your character? Um,
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sometimes it's not great, and it's like, oh, I I
really was bad, so bad I happened before I happened recently. Actually,
we're watching an episode and I was texting Jenna and
I was like, how did I get hired? That's what
I say, is how did I get And there's also
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go what I'm enjoying about it so much is seeing
everybody else's performances really and like, oh they were good
and I didn't necessarily know at the time. You know,
you're ambered by Amber. I fell in love. I mean
when she did break the windows out the car. Oh
my god, she's freak. I don't understand how anyone but
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she was. That was one person from day one, and
I was like, oh, that's not a normal voice. That's crazy.
This is easy for her, But it wasn't. She got
pushed to like that was the thing. Like she showed
up and didn't have to sing in the style that
we all know from her now, Like she was not
sort of like belting and wailing until Gale sort of
forced her to do that. What is your favorite song
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coming out of Glee and what's your worst, um my
favorite song? I mean anything Amber sings on it. It
depends on the mood. You know. There's there's seven something songs,
so it's really there is a really there's a couple
of mashups that people were like tagging me on TikTok
lately that I was thinking about. There's a Adell mashup
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that's incredible, rumor has it and someone like you. And
then there's a Survivor I will Survive mashup that is
also very good. Ambers on both of those. Do you
know how many top tens you've had? I don't. I
feel like every week you had a different song. It
was like on iTunes. It was crazy, like when we
had the iTunes charts back then. That was fun because
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I also, coming from a very unsuccessful musical group, being
a part of a successful musical act was very very exciting.
No one else gave a ship, but every week I
was just sending them the numbers. Columbia started sending me
the breakdowns every week of sales, and I was very excited.
It was fun to watch. And your nemesis is they're
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eating pizza at home and LIKELD have been. I could
have actually left after this. I'm gonna we need to instagram.
Wait do I have he right here? Oh? Wait? Oh
this is the chart? Okay, so two seven songs, Hello,
you had three top ten hits. Don't stop believe. Of
course that was the iconic forget You poker Face, Somebody
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poker Face actually went to number twenty. Um Jesse's Girl
Somebody to Love Defying Gravity singing the rand Umbrella teenage
dream loser like me. Yeah, all those hit the charts.
That's crazy. I want to go back to Because you
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said an n LT it was like a master class
in the entertainment industry for you. Let's give us a
good frost to tip on what you learned in this
master class. What is what's your biggest tip with this
entertainment industry. I think I learned how to be around
and work with adults because I was a kid, that's
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fourteen fifteen when I first started enalty, and we were
always around you know, like you're you're just around adults
besides the group you're in, it's going to audition for
record labels, going on tour. You have to be able
to sort of hold your own and not everybody has
that personality type to be able to have The adults
are going to treat you like adults and the other
half were gonna treat you like you're a dog, like
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an hunder dog, like you just don't mean anything to them.
But it was very It was just very very useful,
and I think I had sort of training naturally from
not from my dad. Can talk to anyone about any
of these the most social person I've ever met. It's
I don't know how he does it. I don't have
that and and me, but I can fake it enough
in the you know, business situations where I need to,
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and that was very very important. I also think the
other thing was the work ethic of being in dance rehearsals,
being in the studio. Also, I was going to high
school at that time. Being able to show up for
each thing properly um was very important because again, if
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in my group there were four of us, and not
everybody is necessarily going to be on their A game
all the time. But if you can be as much
as possible then, like going to something like Glee. Then
I was prepared for that because I had done this
already on a much different scale. But it's all the
same ship. It's still dance rehearsal, it's still recording, like
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and a lot of people coming from Broadway and things
like that had never really been in the recording studio
as much as I had, so I knew how to
do all of these things. It is it's a masterclass.
And yeah, you know, and when you're thrown into something
like that, which very few of us do get to
do that, Um, yeah, you grew up very quickly, very quickly,
and it's you know, and it's so funny how we
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all kind of have similar stories with management. Yeah, like
are there no good managers out there? Like why can't
everyone's first deal be okay, there's management be fine? Why
it's the same story for decades? Three were not learned?
Can we not see it going into this now? I
just don't get it now. It's anytime I see anyone
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who's managing like a young, nice looking boy in their teens, like, yeah,
well they have some questions for you. We'll think about
k pop, Like all these groups being like manufactured over there.
I can only imagine the crappy deals they have. And
I always wonder about. Yeah, I mean it can't be
good because they there's a there's a group, a pop
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group that I love, but they split them into I
think there's like three or four iterations of that group,
if that makes sense, but different names like a Moving Manuda. Yeah,
and there's like one or two of the guys that
are in every single iteration of the group. It was
like the amount of time that he must spend in
the dance studio because they don't stop dancing. They're they're
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dancing and then the songs over. And I always wonder
about because whatever they're doing in sort of there like
training facilities, it seems to be working and it's great,
and they turn out all these really talented performers. It's
like a military. Yeah, but what I don't know what
the day to day. I would love to see the
inner workings of this. I want to I want to
expose a documentary. Let's go let's go out, let's do
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this infiltrate. Maybe we should audition. We want to be
the first American K poppers. Oh my god, let's get
to something very positive. You and Austin I've been together
for quite a few years now. How did y'all meet?
We worked together on a mini series called When We
Rise and just became really good friends for like six months,
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and then I was like, this is this has to happen.
So six months we did a month of being friends.
But six months that's I was getting out of a relationship.
I had been in like a seven year relationship before that.
And then, yeah, it was sort of a weird We
were both at weird points in our lives for different reasons,
(33:59):
and so I didn't know how to I had never
broken up with somebody either, So that was going on
and figuring out this little weirdo Austin. And but it
worked out, you know, we persisted and somehow I remember
thinking like, maybe this will last six months, and it's
six and a half year, six and a half years.
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What makes it work? I think the willingness. Two we
are very different, but I think we're both willing to
give each other the or were not willing, but we know,
like we are independent people. First, we are individuals, and
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then how do we still be our individual selves and
reach our full potential? And all that just yes and
then still have like a really happy relationship. And so
I think I learned some great things from my last relationship,
like give us a tip on our last relations communication.
We we were I know that's so cliche, but we
talked about everything, everything, and we had an open relationship,
(35:07):
and so that also you have to have. We don't
have to. We had to have a very open, constant dialogue.
And once you get used to something like that and
see how effective it is, I then were sort of,
I don't know, maybe slowly teaching us on that level
of communication, because he's someone who was not very open
(35:28):
at all. Like I'm the person you can be open with.
You don't have to be open with anyone else, but
this has gotta So that sort of understanding of communication
has been very, very very vital. That's true. That's I mean,
Turkey and I went through the same thing. He's he
likes to keep a lot of things in and I'm
just I talked too much, you know, and I just
wanted like, well it was wrong here, well and say
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and you could tell it made him anxious for me
being so open, so it would close them down even more.
And so it took us years to really kind of
be able to happen together. Twelve years. I'm talking about
this with my therapist yesterday. Happy Animary. It's twelve months
or twelve years this week. My congratulations. That's wild Hollywood success.
(36:12):
Gay years. That's what you do like dog years. Yeah,
eight years, you're looking so good for eighty phenomenal. Send
me your doctor's doctors. Um, so Turkey. I know you've
got a couple of questions over there, and I have
some fan questions for you to Let's just start with
the fan questions because this is like the real stuff
(36:32):
you out there that you don't care about my questions.
It's all about your questions. Um all right, So wait first,
let's do another frost to tip because it says, so
you and your boyfriend Austin I love to travel together,
and that is I think one of the biggest if
you want to know you can be with someone travel
because I've traveled with people that it was horrible and
I knew it was not meant to be. And I'm
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a traveler. I like adventure. Um, so, what are some
tips on traveling with your partners so you don't kill
each other? I think understanding what your expectations are for
where you're going and how you're going to do that,
because we do like to travel differently, he and I
and I hadn't we traveled. We were hopping around Europe
(37:14):
this past summer for six weeks and I was working
myself into like a dizzy. You know, we we're going
to Barcelona in three days and we have nothing planned,
like what are we gonna do? And He's like, I
don't really care. He's like I'm cool to do like whatever. Yeah,
And I used to be like that, and I don't
know what's happened at the age or something, and so
(37:37):
what I learned was like he just wanted He's like,
I'll look into things if that's what you I was like,
oh yeah, could you? Like I was shouldering all this
self made responsibility that was not existent, and so I
think it was just like, oh, what are what do
we want from this trip? Well? I think probably we're
both people pleasers, right, and we want to make sure
that you have a great time, totally adventure and experience.
(37:59):
UM so I want to have of those things that
you know it was set up like Okay, we're gonna
go here and it's gonna be amazing. Never turns out
the way that you you plan. I was never worried
about myself. I was totally worried about I want him
to enjoy this experience exactly. And now I've I've gotten better, right,
I just kind of going with the flow, just like
we were at Park City last weekend and of course
had all these pints. We're going snowmobile and we're doing this,
(38:21):
We're gonna go town, we're gonna shopping here, and we
didn't do any of that. We just sat at home
in front of a fireplace, drinking our hot chocolate. You
can't beat. It was great. It's great. And now I've
learned to relax more with Turkey. Like I was always
just like Dad, go, go, go go. Now I'm totally
fine just doing nothing. Now occasionally you'll take a nap. Dude,
(38:41):
I actually napped, that's kid. Good job. Yeah, those two
they taught me how to nap. Oh man, I'm such
a napper. Now. What was I missing for so many years? Naps?
Apparently not amazing? And now I drink tons of coffee.
It's a thing. Um alright, fan question number one, Turkey
of it to him, Well, this is really really cutting
(39:03):
answer this question, what is your good to karaoke song
from Valista? I usually do rap. Um, I like a
good rap. Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the talents that
he has that really made me really like him, like great,
(39:23):
but he knows all the words to the really really
fast like busta rhyme songs. It's so impressive and it
turned me on that understand that. Um. I usually if
they have anything from Watch the Throne jay Z and
Kanye Old Kanye. What is one song you wish Glee
covered from Emma? Oh? Um, always more Beyonce as much
(39:51):
as Beyonce is. We did do a lot of Beyonce,
but like I always wish now, like when music comes
out like that would have been good ugly, like there
was the whole thing a couple of years ago, like
oh my god, if Hamilton had come out during Glee,
they would have done a full episode of Hamilton's totally,
which was very accurately I didn't sink, right, I mean
(40:11):
there was not enough. We did not do enough. I
caught to try to get more. Uh yeah, because I
think I did by by one of the songs that
was like, that's cool. Glee. Given the last question, from
And this is actually a good question. I was wondering
this too, you know, as a quoi bander and as
a you know, a dancer with a dance agent previously. Um,
(40:33):
what was it like, you know, having your character in
a wheelchair and you having to I mean you had
to do everything you know, your wheelchair, so you couldn't
really dance per se. So like what was that whole adjustment?
Like it was I mean, it was definitely strange, and
it was an adjustment. At first, it was like I
got the job, so I'm gonna you know whatever, But
you knew that character was in a wheelchair when and
(40:54):
so I was just trying to figure out how do
I make this um as real as possible to do
justice to the character and people in wheelchairs and um.
And then at some point as the show started going,
and there would be a couple of dances that were
like really good and like damn it, like I want
to do that, I want to I want to do that.
And so I did start learning a lot of the
(41:16):
dances out of the wheelchair, just for fun, just so
I didn't lose it, you know, and then and then
applying it to being in a wheelchair, it was pretty easy,
but I did miss some of it of like I'd
be on the wings of some of those numbers, like
doing especially the girl numbers. But how great is it
to play a character, you know, with a disability like that.
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I mean, I'm obviously so many fans that are in
wheelchairs have probably reached out to you and said thank
you so much for the representational television. Yeah, it was
definitely very overwhelming because there was a lot of parents
and a lot of kids who would say, like, oh,
they come into like they want to watch the art
show because they would say, that's me, that's my character
(42:00):
that was like you house. Yeah, I just referred I
saw the show was called Michelle. Yeah it was. It
was really it was very sweet and I was very happy.
I got to meet a lot a lot of people
who were positively impacted. Yeah, I was happy to get
to play it. So alright, so here we go. I'm
(42:20):
gonna I'm gonna start a lyric and you're just gonna
finish it. Um, you might know this one. It's she said,
I said by n LT. I just feel that we
are in the same room but live in two worlds apart,
and it's causing too much pain. She said, yeah, yeah,
it ain't too late to work this thing out. Perfect. Okay,
(42:43):
now this one. If you don't know, I'm going to
throw you out of the studio. Let it go if
you want me, girl, let me know. I am down
on my knees. I can't take it any Yeah. When
you when we are, yes, tear in my heart and sank.
(43:07):
You know how happy my parents get and my sister
every time I've either I've seen you or j C.
I can't believe your friends with that. I'm like, yeah,
I mean neither. I'm playing it really cool kind of
We'll give them my love for me, not j C.
He's still living in our backyard, all right. In your
last one here, let's see. Um. I like this game.
I don't care who you are, where you're from, what
(43:30):
you did, as long as you love. Very good Kevin McAll.
It's been so great having you on the show. Max
Martin is the I just saw Max Martin at the
Aaron Carter event and uh he has not changed at all.
What a funny man. He's just like very kind of shy,
and you know, you wouldn't even know that he's the
(43:50):
biggest songwriter in the history of music. It's very yeah, unassuming.
He smells like money. He's just smelling money. It never
came my way, but you know you try. Thank you
so much, alright. Your tips for this episode. If you're
into singing, let Jesus take the will. Uh. You live
and you learn and you literally have to pay for
it sometimes. Make sure you can hold your own and
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always be on your A game in any relationship, learn
how to communicate and our last frosta tip when traveling
with your significant other, understand each other's expectations. There you go.
That was beautiful, all right, Kevin? How can everyone stay
in touch with you out there? My number is? My
name on grinder is oh god, I forgot this video.
(44:37):
Believe me. I sweating on Twitter. I'm drew a dude
because I can't change it now, Instagram, everything else, Kevin mcale, Okay,
you'll find you. Are you a tick talker? Yeah? Okay,
I mean sort of sometimes like once a month, all right,
well that's good enough. Yeah, and then you know, eight
hours go by and I look up, I'm like, what
have I done? So I try to not go on
(44:57):
it too often. It's true, It's like it's it's the
only platform that I've actually gotten addicted to. Others, I'm like, yeah, whatever,
it's always use every platform for work, So I just
post something great, don't even look at it again. TikTok
you get lost. You just get lost and all puppies
and all kinds of stuff. But uh, it's true as
fun for now. Like I said, with every platform, it
(45:18):
gets evil. It hasn't turned evil yet, but it's gonna
you just watching, it's gonna get dark. Alright, guys, thank
you so much for listening. We love you out there.
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(45:40):
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(46:03):
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and then the other one is like, well I would
have given you more stars if you didn't curse and
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(46:26):
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This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and podcast. Hello,
my little peanuts, it's me your host, Lance Bass. This
is Frosted Tips with Lance and please welcome my wonderful,
beautiful co host, Michael Turchin, or to you guys, Turkey Turchin. Alright,
(00:26):
was that it was a good. Turkey was really great.
Maybe I should be a voice actor. I don't know, Okay,
I was speaking of voice acting. Uh, our Nickelodeon show
comes out very soon, I said, our show, I know.
I was like little side characters. I know, it's it's
really fun. It's called Bossy Bear. It's on Nickelodeon. I
(00:47):
don't know the premise really, but we play the parents
of one of the characters little animals. I'm an owl,
I'm a gopher squirrel and a neurotic squirrel. And uh yeah,
we're gay Jewish parents and I'm not even Jewish. Yeah
that's great. Yeah, so we get to sing lots of
songs about Hanukkah and acceptance and it's gonna be awesome.
(01:13):
And when we were there at Nickelodeon in our last episode,
we ran into uh Seth Rogan and I was too
nervous to say hi, you were. I know, I don't
think I've ever met him before, and I'm always that
person that kind of goes and was like, oh yeah,
like I we know each other, Like wait, we never met.
But I was just afraid he just made he intimidated me.
I couldn't say hi, I was ah European, Yeah, I
(01:36):
got it, all right. How was your week Turkey? It
was nice? Yeah, you know, I had a nice weekend
in Park City. That was nice. And when we actually
didn't even do Sundance, which was crazy. Well, here's the thing.
I'm hurt. The last ski trip I went on, I
tore my shoulder. I broke the other shoulder, and I'm
(01:56):
just too afraid to do it right now because I
think I'm gonna reinjure myself off. And I have no
time for surgery this year. I got no time for that.
I don't have time for them. So we were the
losers that sat and then well not the losers because
I was in front of a fireplace, drinking hot chocolate
the whole time and sleeping in till eleven am. That
was amazing. So that was fun and we actually got
(02:18):
we told you in the last episode we finally met
our baby mama, the egg that's the baby mama, which
I guess is very rare in surrogacy to meet the
egg donor. Yeah, but we just love her and we've
become friends with her. So she's about to move away
from California, so we're trying to spend as much time
with her as possible. And it's so weird though, because
(02:40):
she looks just like my son, So I'm wondering what
she thinks, you know, when she sees her face in
his face. That's got to be weird. Its somewhat right,
but she seems so not affected at all. Yeah, like
this is this is cool, but yeah, that that would
just be weird. That. Yeah, alright, let's get to the
show because we have a very special guest today. Um
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Kevin Michael McHale is an American actor, singer, and dancer.
Formerly one of the two lead vocalists of the boy
band in lt. Michael is best known for his role
as Already Abrahams and the Fox comedy drama series Glee.
I've heard of that show from He hosted the British
panel show Virtually Famous on e four, twenty nineteen. Michael
angle co star Jenna Ushkowitz Love This Woman began a
(03:24):
podcast called Showmans, but then they rebranded it. It's where
they recap Glee episodes and interview the Glee class cast,
which we gotta get into because a big documentary came out. Um,
and then now it is uh and that's what you
really missed and it's on I Heart Radio right here.
Kevin Michael, welcome to the show for having me. I
get to see you so often just out and about
(03:46):
in West Hollywood. I'm definitely always coherent. Yeah, yeah, totally totally. Yeah,
just drinking a little sparkling water. I love water to AMU.
When were you able to kind of come out blckly? Um?
I did it by accident on Twitter? How did that
(04:06):
go down? It was fine? But my friends actually something
that you know, they all thought I had hired a
publicist because so many media outlets had picked it up,
and I'm like, no, I was just excited about new
Ariana Grande. Yeah, I added myself, and because I I
think at some point I just stopped caring. But growing up,
(04:29):
I was so nervous and I came from music and
just figured like, this will never be something I will
ever tell anyone, And I was fine with that. I
guess I thought I was, and so then it just happened.
We were that generation. I was just talking to Jonathan
been about this an hour ago, and you know, we
were just a part of that generation of entertainers that
kind of had to go through it. You know. It's
(04:49):
you know, we started our careers with everyone around us
saying you can't do this, you can't do this. We
had no permission to be gay, and we just accepted it.
And then as you get older, like, well this sucks,
I don't I feel like myself. And then, like you said,
you just kind of get over it. You're like, yeah,
screw it, I'm who I am. And now this new
generation of entertainers they get to be whoever they want.
In fact, it's better when you come out and you know,
(05:11):
be so authentic. It's incredible to see because I feel
like when we were growing up there was, at least
for me, especially when you're younger, it was almost like
a feticization, fetitization of the double life of it all.
I'm like, oh, this is fun, this is I have
a secret boyfriend, but nobody really knows. And now you
just see like everybody's queer now and it's true. And
(05:35):
am I good for them? Must be? I'm so proud
of you. Jealous. This is a boyband centric show, of course,
so we have to talk about in lt um. So
let's dive into the beginnings of this. When did you
first know you could sing? Um? I still don't know
if I can. I'm I'm still figuring that out. I
(05:58):
was the youngest my family, so I was by default
sort of the entertainer. You know, I was by far
the youngest. Everyone was much older than me, so I
was probably just dying for attention and would get on
the top of the countertops and sing my heart Will
go On. And my parents had no idea that I
was gay, especially because this is in Texas. Yeah, and
(06:22):
they were like my mom loved it. I'd put on
like I would do my version of Fan of the
Opera in the living room and and I don't know,
I was, you know, three ft tall, a little shorter
than now and putting on so from a young age,
like I remember, at seven, my sister got married and
I was really young, and I they had me seeing
(06:43):
I just can't wait to be king from the lion
King at the end of the reception, and I think
that was the first time I've ever sung outside of
my house and like, oh, I like this. People actually
they love me. They really loved me. Like, oh, they're
all staring at me. I hate it, but I can't. Um. Now,
I grew up in Texas and went to the same
singing teacher as Dammil, Vado, Hunter Parish, Ryan Cabrera, Ashley Simpson. Um, first,
(07:10):
do you know them well at all? Did you know
each other when you were grown up? I did. I'm
still friends with a lot of them, And um, it's
so odd that we all sort of came from the
same place and everybody has done their thing. Jason felt
it all there too. That sounds vague. Yeah, he was
like the the producer of all virgin uh you know,
(07:33):
TV shows and films, like he came from that Richard
Branson world. But he grew up with them in the
same town. It's very very odd. But yeah, we were
all from the same singing teacher. Who was the singing
teacher give them shout out? It was Linda Septian. Okay, Yeah,
now here's the first for us to tip. How when
you want to get into music and you know it's
very good, and enacting coaches are great. How do you
(07:56):
find a coach that's tough. I mean I definitely bounced
ound and I don't think it until I was well,
I think you have to also do what is available
to you. So Linda, for example, in Dallas, that was
the first time I had I didn't even know seeing
like vocal coaching was the thing. I was so naive
and ignorant to all of these things. And um got
(08:19):
recommended to her because I don't know, my sister had
asked around. It was people just asking around. He was like, oh,
she's a singing teacher, so I'll just try it. And
I think you just sort of have to sort of
Jesus take the wheel. And because it's not like there,
especially where I was growing up, there wasn't like there
was a huge selection of vocal coaches to be going
to or a bunch of dance studios to be going to,
(08:40):
and so within that small circle, it was finding one
that I could afford, which was also a big battle,
and then finding one that I felt like cared or
gave me a shot or saw me for what I
was hoping to do. And you know, a lot of
trial and error like, it's okay if it doesn't, you
just keep sort of finding the person. I didn't know
(09:04):
that either, you know, growing up, you know, when I
was a teenager, you know, before in Sync, I had
no idea that I would ever be a real singer, right,
I just didn't even pop into my head. I didn't
think someone from a small town like mine could ever
do anything big on the stage showed them. Um. But yeah,
there was a vocal coach, Bob Westbrook, and my very
(09:24):
first boy band. Yes, I had an original boy band
called Seven Cards Stud. Seven Cards Stud incredible that we
wore vests. They were sparkly. Uh. There were seven of
us and we would do like Medley's, right, you know,
fifties Medley's and sixties medals like a vocal group. It
was a vocal group. You know, we're a capella group.
But we would go to state fairs and you know, compete. Uh.
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We would always get beat, but you know, we would compete. Uh.
And Bob Westbrook was the one who kind of prepared
us for that. And because I knew Bob and I
was the bass singer, and that that was justin timber
League's vocal coach and he would come down from Germantown,
Tennessee to Jackson, Mississippi, and he would travel and be
the vocal coach for all these like a sparring young kids. Uh.
So that's how I got in sync was through this
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vocal coach that I barely knew just because of my
first boy. And he was like, yeah, I got a
guy lands. He's a bass singer, but his mom will
never let him do it, Like that'll be impossible, But
thanks mom, you let me do it alright. So in
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two thousand six, n LT not like them. How did
you come up with that name? I didn't so luckily.
I can you know, um not take credit for that. Okay,
I had our first name that Luke Broman wanted. Yea
his met We would have never have made it with
that name. Never would have Maybe no stadium tours with
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kiss Men, Yeah, not so much. Yeah, you didn't all
your band members well at all, not at all. Now
how did you How did this band form? Because this
is at the tail end of when when boy bands
kind of started falling off. We were absolutely in no
man's land in terms of time, I think because we
all grew up watching you guys, and so we were all.
I mean, I learned to dance and sing from watching
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and sing videos gets in front of the tea videos.
You know, Oh, shots fired, shots fired. I was more
of it. I like the up tempos. You're not a
mid tempo ballad type. Every now and then there's something
for everyone, yeah, um. And so I had always wanted
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to be in a boy band, and then I started
coming out to l A from Texas for acting things
over the summer and things like that, and had a
dance agent, which is wild, yeah, because I I don't
know how I got one. I should I had no
business having a dance agent. And I had just gone
back to Texas and they called and said there was
audition for a boy band, and I was freaking out.
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It's like, oh my god, it's my dream. I had
no idea really that it was just the timing was
so bad. It couldn't have been worse. And I flew
back out to audition and I knew it was the
manager of B two K at the time, who was
like massive, and it's like this is great, this is perfect.
And I go in and I audition and they called me.
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It was at the Stance Studio right around the corner
from here, and they called me like two days later
or something like, I think he's a good fit. What
are you willing to stay like an extra week so
we can all like hang out and meet up. And
then I think I ended up staying there for a month,
staying in l A for a month and met the guy.
I was replacing somebody. Yeah, I I didn't know that
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I and it happened to be. And I did not
know this when I first got on the boy band.
The actor I kept going up against the most on auditions,
and he always kept booking the auditions because he was excellent.
He happened to be in the boy band and I
had no idea he could dance, and saying, you've got
to be kidding, like really, out of all the people
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in this town, like the one kid. Yeah, looking back
on it was like maybe I had a crush on him.
And that was also um so I was, I was
replacing him, and then that was it. I just I
also was so to me these kids were so cool.
They had grown up in l A. One of them
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parents owned the dance studio, so you know, it's like
a whole different thing. And I was this kid coming
from Texas, just wearing like Quicksilver and Billabong like shorts
and T shirts. I had no idea. I feel you. Um,
so you were the B T K B two K management.
What were they promising you at the time? Like, what
what were their expectations they I'm sure anything you can imagine,
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just like, oh, I think they're gonna be huge, like
they're like the white B two K. And that was
the whole thing. It was like we were the white
because okay, but we could not dance like B T
K B was also cool. We were not inherently cool
like B t K at all. And you know, I
think we in the back of our minds where was like, yes,
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we want to be in sync and back she plays well.
Worked with some great Timberland. Yeah, Ryan Tedder, my buddy Ryan.
What was it like working with just mega writer producers
at that time? Well, I mean back then, Ryan Tedder
was not the Ryan Tedder we know. He was going
through record label issues with One Republic at the time.
Oh yeah, see I had him right before that because
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my mom discovered him. Really can you believe that my
mama discovered and she's not in music, but she's a teacher.
She has tastes. She has great taste. But yeah, when
we we signed him and put him on this MTV show,
uh Freelance Searched two thousand, it was it was. It
was the American idol basically kind of one that no
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one would sign him. Absolutely, no one would sign a
white solo artist because I like, will never work in
this country. Then Tim Bland came on board and blow
him up, and we were I remember we'd sit in
the studio and he would be like, Okay, now, what
would like Beyonce's writers do. He's like, okay, what she
would do with this malady? And we would work, you know,
and cut two less than five years later or something,
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and he had halo. I was like, okay, yeah, it
must be nice. You really smashed it, right, Huh. Super talented,
so so so talented. I would really get you know,
it's something like him too. I could we go into
the studio and he would sort of, you know, just
sing it like this. So you're an incredible singer. I
can't see all of us have that range or technique.
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It means so talented. Um. Now an album was in
the works but ultimately canceled. Uh. And then you all
broke up in two thousand nine. What what went down? Well,
we give us the truth, you know, yeah, I'll just
give you the truth, a true Hollywood story, no press
turning red and um sweating and nobody even knows who
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n LT so it doesn't matter. But what happened was, Um,
we we had a single called she said, I said
that was doing quite well. I think it got thirty
something on Billboard, and so we were shocked and you know,
crazy happy, and then there started to be some controversy
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with our manager shocking. Um, not too dissimilar from things
you've experienced, I think, and so we we're like, how
do we He totally formed us like we were his
project completely, and so then we were sixteen seventeen trying
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to figure out how do we leave him. We had
at this point we were signed with Geffen, like Ron
Fair at Geffen, and we knew like, well, we want
to stay with them. We don't want to go. We
feel like we were going to get in trouble and
doing something wrong. But we sort of rutrated to go
around circumvent the management, tell Iron that we wanted to
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break away from him, and he was supported and as
an artist you should be able to choose your representation,
but had been like I think we had been a
band technically for four years, not that we were active
for four years, so it just felt like a really,
really big deal. So we started to break away from that,
and we started to find other people who had worked
with us, like our tour manager, and things like that.
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Started to big We're glad you're doing this, and would
tell us sort of the shady things that the manager
had been doing to everyone, you know, to every department,
making side deals and all that. Yeah, and it's like, yeah,
we didn't see not that we were making money, but
we were living off of advances and things like that
at the time, and we were not getting most of
those advances for We found out when we went on
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tour too, that they weren't even providing the the gas
money to the tour manager to pay for the tour bus,
and so she was doing out of her pocket and
wouldn't tell us because she was trying to protect us.
But he funneled up apparently funneled that money to go
make a music video for one of his other artists
or something like that. So things like that were happening,
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and then I auditioned for Glee during that towards the
end of that, did your Nemesis audition for that too? No,
I never saw her again. I don't know where he went,
but luckily he was busy that day. And so the
summer after this sort of happening happened, I audition for
Glee and randomly got it, you know, just iud for
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things all the time, it didn't get them. I happened
to get this one. And also at the time, one
of the other singers in the group he I think
we had I don't know the timelines messy in my head,
but I'm giving you the really long version of this.
But then he told us that he had sort of
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behind our completely, had gone behind our backs and gotten
himself a solo deal with Ron Geffen. But yeah, however
we had no success yet, there was no album out.
We had to put out singles. No, and it was
and because he found out from the label that, oh,
they have no more budget for an LT that year. Rick, well, yeah, no, ship,
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it's like October. Have you heard of the quarter system.
I'm the one who checks the royalty reports how much
we're spending or they're spending on us. Every quarter, and
so he's like, well, you know, and I can still
do things with the group. And I was hopes. I
was crying and bawling and like that was it. That
was sort of like, oh, well, we can't really do
this anymore. What happened was Fox and Geffen had verbally
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agreed to let me do the show, and they did,
like all the business affairs that talked to everybody, they
talked to me, and they're like, this is great. This
never happens, like cool. And then two of the guys
in the group, the other two guys in the group
of n LT, exercise their option to get out of
do you want I don't know why I'm telling you,
I want to hear this. Um they left an LT
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and they're like, you should probably do that too. But
by this point Glee had already been picked up and
we were filming the first thirteen episodes. Oh and then
the pilot had aired after the finale of American Idol,
and we had the number four songs in the country,
and I was like, oh yeah, let me just put
in my paperwork too. Here's the written thing where I'm
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getting out of my m LT contract. Whatever. I didn't know.
We didn't know that we had there were options in
our LT contract to sign us a solo artist. So
they said, no, we're opening the option to keep you
as a solo is going to take off like no other.
And not that I was contacted by them, not that
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they even had any interest in doing it. They just
exercised the option, and then somehow Fox found out and
that's when all that happened. I got any questions over there, Turkey,
any questions about I mean about Gleaves good stuff you
want to get because the doc came out, I've not
seen that. Did you watch the doc at all? Okay,
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so you're against it? Okay, So the whole cast doesn't
like this because what what side of the story was told? Then?
Like who was telling this story? Couldn't tell you from
from what I've seen, because some people tweeted me to like,
what is this. It's people who had like peripheral experiences
and an assistant of somebody, somebody who worked on one
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season of something in the crew and yeah, and you're
talking about really serious things. These are people just because
like you are around to like gossip on set for
a year or something, doesn't mean you know anything substantial
about these actors as humans, especially all the tragedies that
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happened exactly. It's like these are for you to sort
of like win up and spend these things into something
that it's not like ship happens, horrible things just happen
that doesn't and we all did work together, but that
doesn't mean it needs to be some crazy Seriously, it's like, oh, well,
this person said this thing, and so it must have
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been that person who said It's like nobody knows shit.
It's like the things I could see from people tweeting
me um, I was like, wow, there's it's really and
this is like a small thing. I don't even think
that show did that well or anything, but it made
me just think about the people who are super super
famous who have to go through that all the time,
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every single day, and there's conspiracy theories and people don't
know anything about any people. Yeah, and you, if you,
God forbid you ever go on TikTok and see some
of these people who were like I just heard this
blind item about this person and they have the mass
like hundreds of thousands of followers and are just saying
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the most mundane basic as I'm like, if you're gonna
come up with a conspiracy at least like make it
more interesting. You like the Brittany people and say she's
dead and it's a clone. They say that about Avril
Levine too, They're all clones. Um. Now, I obviously know
a lot of people that were on your show, and
I know just being on Glee it was like being
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in a boy band in a way, because I know
the rehearsals that y'all had to do, the fandom that
y'all had, the performances and tours you would go on,
you would have the screaming fans, So you got to
know what it was like to be in a band.
I did get a taste of that. We were like
a glorified cover band, but it was that was sort
of my boy band success story. What was your favorite
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did you like? Did you like, you know, filming, because
I know your days were hard. I've heard I've heard
some stories. Um, did you like filming the show or
did you like touring and being on stage more? Oh?
I don't know if I had a preference, but I
think Guy was one of the only ones who did
love touring. Nobody else really enjoyed it the way I did,
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which I understand it was that has to be your dream,
and that absolutely was my dream, and I think for
some people it was like, you know, we had just
shot for nine and a half months and go straight
into a tour and we didn't really have a break.
Like for the second tour we did, which was an
arena tour, we had three days off and then we
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set up the show in three days and then we
were just gone and they only had us for a
certa amount of time. So we did basically like a
three month tour in six weeks. We were doing matinees
like a concert. It wasn't like it was a theater show. Yeah,
we went to Toronto and did four shows and over
Saturday and Sundays. What is That's a lot? They were
trying to maximize there, and you know, but that was
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very very surreal having grown up and like seeing people
like you performing in arenas and stadiums and getting to
go even if it wasn't character I was like, I
don't care, Yeah, it's it is quite the experience. And
to be able to have, you know, been able to
do that, I mean not not many people understand what
that's like because the road is hard. It's tiring. It's
it's tough. Who was your crew on that show? Who
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is your I mean, Jenna obviously really good friend of yours,
you'll do a podcast together. Um, but who was your
your besties on that show? I mean, I know it
sounds everyone we were. We were all obsessed with each
other like we would I mean, for like for tour,
for example, they had like a girl's dressing room in
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a boy's dressing room, and then Chris and I would
always be sneaking into the girls. So I was definitely
closer with all the girls. Um, and we had like
one of our pas, we had two pas on tour
that we're also pas on the show, Italian Megan, And
they were part of the crew just as much as
you know, any of the cast, Like we were all
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just besties. And so yeah, Jenna and Amber and Chris
and we're all I know that's a lame answer, but
I think also the show worked for so long because
we were all that close. When you do your podcast,
and that's what you really missed. Um, what is it
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like going back and rewatching these episodes? Because this is
people do this now a good bit on podcast. It's
so fun, you know, boy, Meets World does it? Now?
All these iconic shows, what's it like watching because I
can't go back and watch anything I do. I get
so embarrassed. But you're forced to have to watch these, Uh,
what is it like watching yourself? You know, as your character? Um,
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sometimes it's not great, and it's like, oh, I I
really was bad, so bad I happened before I happened recently. Actually,
we're watching an episode and I was texting Jenna and
I was like, how did I get hired? That's what
I say, is how did I get And there's also
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go what I'm enjoying about it so much is seeing
everybody else's performances really and like, oh they were good
and I didn't necessarily know at the time. You know,
you're ambered by Amber. I fell in love. I mean
when she did break the windows out the car. Oh
my god, she's freak. I don't understand how anyone but
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she was. That was one person from day one, and
I was like, oh, that's not a normal voice. That's crazy.
This is easy for her, But it wasn't. She got
pushed to like that was the thing. Like she showed
up and didn't have to sing in the style that
we all know from her now, Like she was not
sort of like belting and wailing until Gale sort of
forced her to do that. What is your favorite song
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coming out of Glee and what's your worst, um my
favorite song? I mean anything Amber sings on it. It
depends on the mood. You know. There's there's seven something songs,
so it's really there is a really there's a couple
of mashups that people were like tagging me on TikTok
lately that I was thinking about. There's a Adell mashup
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that's incredible, rumor has it and someone like you. And
then there's a Survivor I will Survive mashup that is
also very good. Ambers on both of those. Do you
know how many top tens you've had? I don't. I
feel like every week you had a different song. It
was like on iTunes. It was crazy, like when we
had the iTunes charts back then. That was fun because
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I also, coming from a very unsuccessful musical group, being
a part of a successful musical act was very very exciting.
No one else gave a ship, but every week I
was just sending them the numbers. Columbia started sending me
the breakdowns every week of sales, and I was very excited.
It was fun to watch. And your nemesis is they're
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eating pizza at home and LIKELD have been. I could
have actually left after this. I'm gonna we need to instagram.
Wait do I have he right here? Oh? Wait? Oh
this is the chart? Okay, so two seven songs, Hello,
you had three top ten hits. Don't stop believe. Of
course that was the iconic forget You poker Face, Somebody
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poker Face actually went to number twenty. Um Jesse's Girl
Somebody to Love Defying Gravity singing the rand Umbrella teenage
dream loser like me. Yeah, all those hit the charts.
That's crazy. I want to go back to Because you
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said an n LT it was like a master class
in the entertainment industry for you. Let's give us a
good frost to tip on what you learned in this
master class. What is what's your biggest tip with this
entertainment industry. I think I learned how to be around
and work with adults because I was a kid, that's
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fourteen fifteen when I first started enalty, and we were
always around you know, like you're you're just around adults
besides the group you're in, it's going to audition for
record labels, going on tour. You have to be able
to sort of hold your own and not everybody has
that personality type to be able to have The adults
are going to treat you like adults and the other
half were gonna treat you like you're a dog, like
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an hunder dog, like you just don't mean anything to them.
But it was very It was just very very useful,
and I think I had sort of training naturally from
not from my dad. Can talk to anyone about any
of these the most social person I've ever met. It's
I don't know how he does it. I don't have
that and and me, but I can fake it enough
in the you know, business situations where I need to,
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and that was very very important. I also think the
other thing was the work ethic of being in dance rehearsals,
being in the studio. Also, I was going to high
school at that time. Being able to show up for
each thing properly um was very important because again, if
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in my group there were four of us, and not
everybody is necessarily going to be on their A game
all the time. But if you can be as much
as possible then, like going to something like Glee. Then
I was prepared for that because I had done this
already on a much different scale. But it's all the
same ship. It's still dance rehearsal, it's still recording, like
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and a lot of people coming from Broadway and things
like that had never really been in the recording studio
as much as I had, so I knew how to
do all of these things. It is it's a masterclass.
And yeah, you know, and when you're thrown into something
like that, which very few of us do get to
do that, Um, yeah, you grew up very quickly, very quickly,
and it's you know, and it's so funny how we
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all kind of have similar stories with management. Yeah, like
are there no good managers out there? Like why can't
everyone's first deal be okay, there's management be fine? Why
it's the same story for decades? Three were not learned?
Can we not see it going into this now? I
just don't get it now. It's anytime I see anyone
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who's managing like a young, nice looking boy in their teens, like, yeah,
well they have some questions for you. We'll think about
k pop, Like all these groups being like manufactured over there.
I can only imagine the crappy deals they have. And
I always wonder about. Yeah, I mean it can't be
good because they there's a there's a group, a pop
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group that I love, but they split them into I
think there's like three or four iterations of that group,
if that makes sense, but different names like a Moving Manuda. Yeah,
and there's like one or two of the guys that
are in every single iteration of the group. It was
like the amount of time that he must spend in
the dance studio because they don't stop dancing. They're they're
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dancing and then the songs over. And I always wonder
about because whatever they're doing in sort of there like
training facilities, it seems to be working and it's great,
and they turn out all these really talented performers. It's
like a military. Yeah, but what I don't know what
the day to day. I would love to see the
inner workings of this. I want to I want to
expose a documentary. Let's go let's go out, let's do
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this infiltrate. Maybe we should audition. We want to be
the first American K poppers. Oh my god, let's get
to something very positive. You and Austin I've been together
for quite a few years now. How did y'all meet?
We worked together on a mini series called When We
Rise and just became really good friends for like six months,
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and then I was like, this is this has to happen.
So six months we did a month of being friends.
But six months that's I was getting out of a relationship.
I had been in like a seven year relationship before that.
And then, yeah, it was sort of a weird We
were both at weird points in our lives for different reasons,
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and so I didn't know how to I had never
broken up with somebody either, So that was going on
and figuring out this little weirdo Austin. And but it
worked out, you know, we persisted and somehow I remember
thinking like, maybe this will last six months, and it's
six and a half year, six and a half years.
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What makes it work? I think the willingness. Two we
are very different, but I think we're both willing to
give each other the or were not willing, but we know,
like we are independent people. First, we are individuals, and
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then how do we still be our individual selves and
reach our full potential? And all that just yes and
then still have like a really happy relationship. And so
I think I learned some great things from my last relationship,
like give us a tip on our last relations communication.
We we were I know that's so cliche, but we
talked about everything, everything, and we had an open relationship,
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and so that also you have to have. We don't
have to. We had to have a very open, constant dialogue.
And once you get used to something like that and
see how effective it is, I then were sort of,
I don't know, maybe slowly teaching us on that level
of communication, because he's someone who was not very open
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at all. Like I'm the person you can be open with.
You don't have to be open with anyone else, but
this has gotta So that sort of understanding of communication
has been very, very very vital. That's true. That's I mean,
Turkey and I went through the same thing. He's he
likes to keep a lot of things in and I'm
just I talked too much, you know, and I just
wanted like, well it was wrong here, well and say
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and you could tell it made him anxious for me
being so open, so it would close them down even more.
And so it took us years to really kind of
be able to happen together. Twelve years. I'm talking about
this with my therapist yesterday. Happy Animary. It's twelve months
or twelve years this week. My congratulations. That's wild Hollywood success.
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Gay years. That's what you do like dog years. Yeah,
eight years, you're looking so good for eighty phenomenal. Send
me your doctor's doctors. Um, so Turkey. I know you've
got a couple of questions over there, and I have
some fan questions for you to Let's just start with
the fan questions because this is like the real stuff
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you out there that you don't care about my questions.
It's all about your questions. Um all right, So wait first,
let's do another frost to tip because it says, so
you and your boyfriend Austin I love to travel together,
and that is I think one of the biggest if
you want to know you can be with someone travel
because I've traveled with people that it was horrible and
I knew it was not meant to be. And I'm
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a traveler. I like adventure. Um, so, what are some
tips on traveling with your partners so you don't kill
each other? I think understanding what your expectations are for
where you're going and how you're going to do that,
because we do like to travel differently, he and I
and I hadn't we traveled. We were hopping around Europe
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this past summer for six weeks and I was working
myself into like a dizzy. You know, we we're going
to Barcelona in three days and we have nothing planned,
like what are we gonna do? And He's like, I
don't really care. He's like I'm cool to do like whatever. Yeah,
And I used to be like that, and I don't
know what's happened at the age or something, and so
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what I learned was like he just wanted He's like,
I'll look into things if that's what you I was like,
oh yeah, could you? Like I was shouldering all this
self made responsibility that was not existent, and so I
think it was just like, oh, what are what do
we want from this trip? Well? I think probably we're
both people pleasers, right, and we want to make sure
that you have a great time, totally adventure and experience.
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UM so I want to have of those things that
you know it was set up like Okay, we're gonna
go here and it's gonna be amazing. Never turns out
the way that you you plan. I was never worried
about myself. I was totally worried about I want him
to enjoy this experience exactly. And now I've I've gotten better, right,
I just kind of going with the flow, just like
we were at Park City last weekend and of course
had all these pints. We're going snowmobile and we're doing this,
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We're gonna go town, we're gonna shopping here, and we
didn't do any of that. We just sat at home
in front of a fireplace, drinking our hot chocolate. You
can't beat. It was great. It's great. And now I've
learned to relax more with Turkey. Like I was always
just like Dad, go, go, go go. Now I'm totally
fine just doing nothing. Now occasionally you'll take a nap. Dude,
(38:41):
I actually napped, that's kid. Good job. Yeah, those two
they taught me how to nap. Oh man, I'm such
a napper. Now. What was I missing for so many years? Naps?
Apparently not amazing? And now I drink tons of coffee.
It's a thing. Um alright, fan question number one, Turkey
of it to him, Well, this is really really cutting
(39:03):
answer this question, what is your good to karaoke song
from Valista? I usually do rap. Um, I like a
good rap. Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the talents that
he has that really made me really like him, like great,
(39:23):
but he knows all the words to the really really
fast like busta rhyme songs. It's so impressive and it
turned me on that understand that. Um. I usually if
they have anything from Watch the Throne jay Z and
Kanye Old Kanye. What is one song you wish Glee
covered from Emma? Oh? Um, always more Beyonce as much
(39:51):
as Beyonce is. We did do a lot of Beyonce,
but like I always wish now, like when music comes
out like that would have been good ugly, like there
was the whole thing a couple of years ago, like
oh my god, if Hamilton had come out during Glee,
they would have done a full episode of Hamilton's totally,
which was very accurately I didn't sink, right, I mean
(40:11):
there was not enough. We did not do enough. I
caught to try to get more. Uh yeah, because I
think I did by by one of the songs that
was like, that's cool. Glee. Given the last question, from
And this is actually a good question. I was wondering
this too, you know, as a quoi bander and as
a you know, a dancer with a dance agent previously. Um,
(40:33):
what was it like, you know, having your character in
a wheelchair and you having to I mean you had
to do everything you know, your wheelchair, so you couldn't
really dance per se. So like what was that whole adjustment?
Like it was I mean, it was definitely strange, and
it was an adjustment. At first, it was like I
got the job, so I'm gonna you know whatever, But
you knew that character was in a wheelchair when and
(40:54):
so I was just trying to figure out how do
I make this um as real as possible to do
justice to the character and people in wheelchairs and um.
And then at some point as the show started going,
and there would be a couple of dances that were
like really good and like damn it, like I want
to do that, I want to I want to do that.
And so I did start learning a lot of the
(41:16):
dances out of the wheelchair, just for fun, just so
I didn't lose it, you know, and then and then
applying it to being in a wheelchair, it was pretty easy,
but I did miss some of it of like I'd
be on the wings of some of those numbers, like
doing especially the girl numbers. But how great is it
to play a character, you know, with a disability like that.
(41:38):
I mean, I'm obviously so many fans that are in
wheelchairs have probably reached out to you and said thank
you so much for the representational television. Yeah, it was
definitely very overwhelming because there was a lot of parents
and a lot of kids who would say, like, oh,
they come into like they want to watch the art
show because they would say, that's me, that's my character
(42:00):
that was like you house. Yeah, I just referred I
saw the show was called Michelle. Yeah it was. It
was really it was very sweet and I was very happy.
I got to meet a lot a lot of people
who were positively impacted. Yeah, I was happy to get
to play it. So alright, so here we go. I'm
(42:20):
gonna I'm gonna start a lyric and you're just gonna
finish it. Um, you might know this one. It's she said,
I said by n LT. I just feel that we
are in the same room but live in two worlds apart,
and it's causing too much pain. She said, yeah, yeah,
it ain't too late to work this thing out. Perfect. Okay,
(42:43):
now this one. If you don't know, I'm going to
throw you out of the studio. Let it go if
you want me, girl, let me know. I am down
on my knees. I can't take it any Yeah. When
you when we are, yes, tear in my heart and sank.
(43:07):
You know how happy my parents get and my sister
every time I've either I've seen you or j C.
I can't believe your friends with that. I'm like, yeah,
I mean neither. I'm playing it really cool kind of
We'll give them my love for me, not j C.
He's still living in our backyard, all right. In your
last one here, let's see. Um. I like this game.
I don't care who you are, where you're from, what
(43:30):
you did, as long as you love. Very good Kevin McAll.
It's been so great having you on the show. Max
Martin is the I just saw Max Martin at the
Aaron Carter event and uh he has not changed at all.
What a funny man. He's just like very kind of shy,
and you know, you wouldn't even know that he's the
(43:50):
biggest songwriter in the history of music. It's very yeah, unassuming.
He smells like money. He's just smelling money. It never
came my way, but you know you try. Thank you
so much, alright. Your tips for this episode. If you're
into singing, let Jesus take the will. Uh. You live
and you learn and you literally have to pay for
it sometimes. Make sure you can hold your own and
(44:11):
always be on your A game in any relationship, learn
how to communicate and our last frosta tip when traveling
with your significant other, understand each other's expectations. There you go.
That was beautiful, all right, Kevin? How can everyone stay
in touch with you out there? My number is? My
name on grinder is oh god, I forgot this video.
(44:37):
Believe me. I sweating on Twitter. I'm drew a dude
because I can't change it now, Instagram, everything else, Kevin mcale, Okay,
you'll find you. Are you a tick talker? Yeah? Okay,
I mean sort of sometimes like once a month, all right,
well that's good enough. Yeah, and then you know, eight
hours go by and I look up, I'm like, what
have I done? So I try to not go on
(44:57):
it too often. It's true, It's like it's it's the
only platform that I've actually gotten addicted to. Others, I'm like, yeah, whatever,
it's always use every platform for work, So I just
post something great, don't even look at it again. TikTok
you get lost. You just get lost and all puppies
and all kinds of stuff. But uh, it's true as
fun for now. Like I said, with every platform, it
(45:18):
gets evil. It hasn't turned evil yet, but it's gonna
you just watching, it's gonna get dark. Alright, guys, thank
you so much for listening. We love you out there.
Stay in touch with us. Please just follow frosted tips
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(45:40):
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(46:03):
because you know, we have some reviews out there that
are hilarious. One I Love says I will give you
five stars when Justin comes on. Okay, well we'll do that,
and then the other one is like, well I would
have given you more stars if you didn't curse and
thanks to Kevin. Now we gotta put an e on
this show. I heard the one word come out. I'm sorry,
there go Can you beat me? Um? Now, it's not
(46:26):
fun to believe. It's finally we're on a platform we
can actually do whatever we want. I need you to
get five stars. Well that's never gonna happen. But thank
you so much for listening. Be good to each other,
don't drink and drive out there, and we'll see you
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(46:48):
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