The Miracle in Miami with Doug Flutie | Boston College vs. Miami - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You and I were on the sideline at Boston College. Yeah,
Kent State's playing, and he's standing next to me. You know,
he's a small college.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Quarterback whatever, and he said, yeah, man, Wes Welker, I'm
going to do this.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
I'm going to do that.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm faster, I'm stronger, I could do that. I'm like this.
That cocky little quarterback right here, good for him.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Today we have an unbelievably special guest.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
How about this, Doug Fluty.

Speaker 5 (00:26):
Yeah, Doug Flootie Dandy was too small player.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
That fine, talking more stories, talking games, ultimately talking about
the guy Hill Mary. Thirty five years from your game
and we're still talking about this game. You say, hail Mary.
Everyone always brings up this game. That's how important and
crazy this game is.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
But you defenders go up and everybody just fall to
the ground, and I see an official fun I'm like,
you gotta be.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
How does it feel to have probably the most iconic
play in college football history? Games and Names is the
production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman,
They're Jack and Kyler, and we are on a mission
to find the greatest game of all time.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
We're coming to you from.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Boston Nuthouse, Baby, the original Nututhouse, East Nuthouse East over
here in undisclosed Boston location. The boys are back in
town and on today's episode, we are covering the Hail

(01:36):
Flutey game Boston College versus Miami from nineteen eighty four
with Boston College legend, Heisman Trophy winner and one of
my heroes, childhood heroes and college football and Canadian Football
Hall of Famer Doug Flutey.

Speaker 6 (01:57):
Flooty Flakes himself, Flakes.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
This is this is this is a great episode.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
We get into talking about one of the greatest plays
in college football, how your life changes after winning a Heisman,
and the origin of the drop kick. We all remember
it when he was a Patriot, when he was a Patriot.
And then we wrap it up by ranking the best
Hail Mary's of all time. So many historic hill Mary's

(02:26):
to go over, some crazy ones. That that was a
fun one.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
Wild one, I mean, greatest plays in football, Baby Mary.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
But before we get to Doug, how about the Brady
event at Gillette.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
What a night.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Red Carpet Boys, Red Carpet Boys, Red Carpet Boys.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
Jackie was on.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Flow was Drake may recognizing Jack.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
Drake May came up to Davidson, Guys, baby, we stick together.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Yeah, no, I think he just he's.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
A STARLD Davison basketball camp. Still chopping it up. He
said he wants to come on the pot at some point.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Does he have any We gotta I gotta have some game,
gotta love I love my guy. We gotta North Carolina.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
Maybe some mac brown Carolina games. Although all the Carolina
games that come to mind with Drake may is like
Carolina puts up like fifty points and somehow at the
end of this is what we should They lose fifty
the defense can't stop a nosebleeding.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
This is what we should do.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
We want Drake may On so bad because you know,
we're excited for him and his start. We need people
to go and comment what Drake game, Tarhill game, tar
heel or whatever. Maybe a practice, I don't know, just something.
We need to have, something for us to do and
talk to Drake may We love the Drake.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
We love the Drake And.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
Yeah, I mean, what a night. I mean, Kyler's over
here getting recognized by Scott Pioli.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
But he was just like, where's Jack?

Speaker 6 (03:55):
No, get real, Get real? Get real.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
So yeah, we're gonna Getcott peel.

Speaker 7 (04:00):
He also, Jules was getting a little saucy and heckling
Brady's speech off the microphones.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
You got a chirp it when you're out there.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
I was. I was like fully into the show.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
I was eyeballs to the show the whole time, like
crying and stuff.

Speaker 6 (04:13):
It was I mean, the standing ovation and the reception
that you guys got, I mean, it was it was overwhelming.
It was surreal.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
The Randy Moss, it was.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
Something else man, I felt that thing in my bones.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
It was a fun night.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
Talk about emotional.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
We hadn't got to see each other all, like in
one area in a long time. It just we didn't
even really get to see each other that much, you know,
because it was the show, so you didn't really get
to chop it up with everyone.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
It was wild. I mean, just I was. I was
honored just to be there with your table twenty nine
shout out of la Garrett Blunt. Till the Garrett Blunt Table.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
You were the fun table.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
The fun that we were having fun, I mean that
versus the roast. What would you say? This was fun?

Speaker 4 (04:56):
This was more fun because it was more our our
guys right more the guys.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
There homecoming field kind of vibe.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, And who's a bigger star, Jay Z or Ben Affleck.
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
That's a tough one. I will say no shade to Ben.
We love you, Ben. I hope everything's going okay with
with the family and j Lo. We we wanted to work,
but jay Z did put on a better personal performance.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Jay's I mean, and then two seconds later you just
hear hear a helicopter him.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Bill Burr killed too, Bill Awesome killed dude. That's a
hard room. He killed it.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, but it's a hard room for people that are
from Boston. That guy is mister Boston. I mean, like
he was the right guy to have for it.

Speaker 6 (05:38):
And we had Dola there with us Man Camille, Ron Camille.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
It was a fun night.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
Nico Nicole, legendary.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Bro Nikovich, Slate Mayo came in. It was everyone was there.
It was bon Jovi, bon Jovi onon Jovi. He kind
of called me out, said hey, He's like, hey, I
thought we were supposed to do your podcast. I looked
at him. I go, John, you and I both know

(06:11):
if we come forty five minutes early to do the
podcast here in Foxborough that had just thirty people be
coming in trying to get an autograph from you. Everyone
will be talking. I want you in our environment. And
he understood. He did, okay, good, understood.

Speaker 6 (06:27):
Because we were trying our hardest to make that thing work.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
We were trying. Yeah, and just said it wouldn't have
been right.

Speaker 7 (06:32):
He deserves the full treatment focus, not just stealing thirty
minutes into let stadium while everything's.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
And he's got a great rosea coming out.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
Oh my god, we got.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
There's talking maybe going to the Hamptons. Hey, well see
and he excuse to go.

Speaker 6 (06:47):
To the Hamptons and drink rose with the bon Jovi's family,
like find to watch the Banjiovi says, I think their
real name is legend, bro and freaking. I don't care
if we're talking Philadelphia Soul football.

Speaker 7 (06:59):
So I wonder if you would because he was an
early Giants fan, right, and then he became a Patriots fan.
I bet he wanted to do a Pats game, but
be from the due an early Giants game.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
Sip and rose sitting on the back porch in the
Hampton sounds all right to me. Talking some ball, hanging
with Richie Sambora. Thank yeah man, Lon Jovi, get Angie
out there. Andrew pissed, and Yeah loves Bonjob. He loves Bonjo.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Let's go.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
November twenty third, nineteen eighty four, the Orange Bowl, Miami, Florida.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Boston College trails Miami forty five forty one time.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Winding down in the.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Fourth quarter, Doug Flutie drops back with that.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Dropped it he does.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
He doesn't really drop, He just goes back pedal very fast.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
He launches a prayer into the sky of Florida.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
This is Floody.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Welcome to Games with Names, And today we have an
unbelievably special guest. Unbelievably special guest. We had Doug Flutie
in the nuthouse in Boston, hanging out with us, talking
more stories, talking games, ultimately talking about the goddamn Hill.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Mary.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Yes, I think they named the actual play after this play.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
After you wore the shirt, Hey, we can get into
the shirt.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
Yeah, this shirt. But when I was sow what years
were you in ATBC? No, I'm talking about the Chargers when.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Chargers years two thousand to two thousand and four.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, I had your jersey. I went I went to Ross,
I saw Doug Fluty Jersey. I picked that thing up.
I was a little quarterback. You were my hero, like
it's it's it's unbelievable to have you any.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Well, you had just gotten drafted. You and I were
on the sideline at Boston College. Yeah, and which is
Kent State. Kentnis State was Heady State's playing. And he's
standing next to me this you know, he's a small
college quarterback whatever, And I knew they had drafted you.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
He said, yeah, man, Wes Welker, Shit, I'm.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Gonna do this.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
I'm going to do that.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I'm faster, I'm stronger, I could do that. I'm like
this a cocky little quarterback right here. Good for him,
and he went and did everything he ever talked about.
But that was the first time we met.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
And that was, uh, you know, he's a man after
my own heart, because you know, the small guy go
after it and do it and shoot, you did it
a big way.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Get out of here.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Man.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
You literally I watched you so much. I admired you
your ability to play the game with our height. I
would say maybe three and I'm three three centimeters taller.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Maybe yeah, probably I've getten shorter by the year too.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
But go, this guy won the goddamn Heisman Trophy. Think
about that unreal. Today we are here to talk about
the Hail Fluty game Boston College versus Miami nineteen eighty four,
and we all remember this last play of the game
where Doug sits back drops back, they got people come

(10:24):
at him, He steps up, throws the ball down near
sixty five yards and they beat the convicts. The Catholics
beat the Convicts. And I mean, this is such a
legendary game. Why this game, Doug?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
We had our Bowl game in our back pocket. They
had their bowl game in their back pocket. It was
just a bragging rights game. And Bernie Kozar was the
other unact and the two of us just had one
of those days where I don't know, I threw for
like four seventy and he threw for four point fifty
and we were you know, this is back before everybody
threw the ball one hundred times a game, and it
was just one of those days. Who I read the

(11:02):
ball last was gonna win and they scored with twenty
eight seconds left, so it's like they won, right. My
philosophy was getting your midfield and throw at the end.
Really cool twist came up. Thirty fifth anniversary of the
pass right, I'm doing interviews about it and see a
different camera angle.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
For thirty five years.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
My tight end, who was the backup tight end at
the time, was in the game because the starter had
a sprained ankle. Pete Casparilla is playing tight end on
the play on the back side. He's supposed to being
in protection, and there was an intervertent whistle. I go
to I go, hey, they're only rushing three. Get wide,
go long down the boundary.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
I might roll right.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
I was gonna roll right, launch it right, buy some
time there, just in case if they drift, I might
peak backside and hit you down the back rail. We
get in the locker room after the game. He's like,
we had a shot. We had a shot for thirty
five years. I hear thirty five years, I hear we
had a shot. We had a shot. I saw a
different camera angle. Pete is all by him a picture

(12:00):
on my phone. Pete is all by himself at the
ten yard line on the backside.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
When the ball's in the air, they all the backside corner.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
The guy that jumped up, but Gerard went by everybody.
They started backpedaling. Free safety was in a great position
to make a play. Backside corner drifted over. They jump up,
bump into each other, ball goes through clean. Gerard catches it.
Touchdown history right backside corner. The guy who was supposed
to be over there is thirty yards away from his man.
I could Pete would have been a walking on the backside.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
I Georgia the wrong guy.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
I called Pete right after. I finally, thirty five years later,
right I called Pete. I said, hey, you were right,
you were open. I got a picture of it now
on my phone. He goes, yeah, but I would have
dropped it.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
That's crazy because last play of the game situation which
they were clearly in we had and Doug's talking about
the guy being free leaking out late. We used to
have a play which last play of the game. You
always have a box like the hail Mary, like what
they ran. You have a box. You got a guy,
two guys up top, a guy in the bottom of

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a guy in the middle. That's what you try to do.
So a guy in the middle tries to tip it.
The guys in the front and the back they try
to get to but what you said was your boy
who was leaked out late.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
We used to have a play.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Where we'd throw everyone there and Gronk would go and
you have ever seen a Varsity Blues remember when like
Billy Bob, they had that play where they're like, hey man,
just kind of just kind of act like you're a
little slough and and get out leak out. Well, we
had a play where we put all our guys up
front and Gronk had to like leak out like Billy Bob,

(13:38):
and he goes and then all of a sudden he
flags it.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
You know, have you seen that?

Speaker 3 (13:42):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (13:43):
They backside it, which is kind of what that is.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, it was, you know, just you know what's amazing
is we ran it three times in my career. We
had to throw Hail Mary's. We cut earlier in the
year at halftime against Temple. It looks identical to the
Myami pass and Gerard catches it in a crowd on
the goal line for the touchdown.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
We were two for two my senior year on hill Mary's.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
My junior year, at the end of the half against
Notre Dame in a bowl game, I threw one and
Brian Brennan. He played with Cleveland Brian's on a dead sprint.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
At the back of the end zone.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
It was at the Liberty Bowl and the field was
ice and there was a cement wall ten feet behind
the goal. Yeah, he was afraid of running into the wall.
He kind of short armed it. Afraid of the wall.
He slid into the wall anyway, but he dropped it.
We could have been three for three in the career.
It's stupid how often it happens, folks.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
Do you hear that? We all talk about what Aaron
Rodgers and his little hail may. Definitely he was two
for three and got him one.

Speaker 8 (14:41):
Years Aaron, See, he made it so like it was
a weekly thing with Aaron for crying out. I just
you know what what made Iars big was everybody hated
Miami at the time, and it was Thanksgiving weekend and
it was a large TV audience, It's and all that,
So it was the little guy versus the big guy

(15:02):
all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
So that's what made it so big.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
In the Heisman Trophy winner is going out taking a
deep drop. No one expected him to do what he did.
A little shuffle throws it deep hits his roommate touchdown
game over.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
You know, Tom talks about Tom talks.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
About his relationship with the receivers and how everybody, you know,
you build this trust. And Gerard was that. Gerard caught
like five passes that year. They weren't even thrown to him.
You know, I drew an in route, the guy gets
lit up, ball, bounce in the air. Gerard's so slow
clearing on the post that he reaches back and catches it.
You know, you overthrow what Gerard's there? He dies and
he just had a knack for finding the ball and

(15:41):
it's nose for the ball. Is this the greatest game
of all time? It was a great game, even without
the last pass, Like you erase the last pass. It
was a phenomenal game. So it's in a top ten.
There's just so many though, there's so many out there.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Though.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I love the Boise State game beating Oklahoma. You know,
the trick playing we had.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
We had Adrian Peterson and Zach Zimbranski on the show
to talk about that game, which that was in my generation.
I was in college when that was happening, so like
that era was crazy. But we're forty years, thirty five
years from your game and we're still talking about this game.
You say, hail Mary. Everyone always brings up this game.

(16:25):
That's how important and crazy this game is.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, I had I had podcasts a couple of years
ago and had Rogers stallback on it, and a lot
of people like you said, give me the credit for
the label of a hail mary, right because it was
Boston College.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
And all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well, he threw a go route to Drew Pearson in
a playoff game against Minnesota with seconds left. Looked like
Drew pushed off a little bit, made the catch, goes
for the touchdown to win the game, and they referred
to that as a hail mary at the end, and
that's where it was actually coined. So Roger always had
a little beef with me that he did it. Yes,
I give him full credit.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
It was Roger Man, Roger Stallbach. I remember he came
and talked to our team once. He's an impressive.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Dude, Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yes, he's just a stand up guy. Left the league
to go serve the country. You just look and smelt
like a leader when he walked in.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
His entire life the way he led it, and then
afterwards he's ridiculously successful commercial real estate guy, all that stuff,
just everything he touched. Everything he does, and I went
to I don't know events where you get around the
other cowboys that played with him, and the way they
talk about him, the way we all talk about Tom.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
You know, it just absolutely first class.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
It was that guy. He was that guy you see
on the set.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
Here.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
What we got we got.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
We got a Natick High School helmet, by the way,
and we got the Fluty Flakes boy, the original the
red box of the original box.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
We went to. We went to the school and got it.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
That's from.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
From the trophy case.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
You guys are pretty good, pretty good. That's pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
My childhood.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
The hero we called the damn school. We said, we
got to get these goddamn foot flakes up here.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
We got a guy on the team and they played
football for Natick, so he us.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Oh, my buddy, my buddy.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Paul Paul Gallani followed me. Here was a quarterback at
Natick High School after me. He went undefeated, thirty eight,
no state changing. I didn't do squat. We won games.
We were like eighty two eight. But but Paul, Paul,
he'd be all about having the NATA come in here.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
No, it's a pleasure having you here in the nuthouse.
So Boston edition, Boston, Yes, right, that's even better, Boston Edition.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
This West Coast stuff, I don't know coming out there.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
I gotta be out.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
There, although I do love the waves. I love the
waves on the West Coast.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Waits over here talking about we're going to Costa Rica.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
We're going.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Listen, we were talking about it earlier when we walk in.
I'm sitting here, I think it's twenty ten, eleven twelve
or something. I'm in the training room. I'm getting my
goddamn ankle worked on. We got the local news on.
We always had the local news on Floody talking about
waves over here. There was a flood in Boston. Some

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river over did something. You have the local news sitting
there like covering the situation.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
They're like, oh, yeah, the river is over here.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
We have some crazy flooding, and out of nowhere in
a canoe you see Doug Flutie just canoeing by. It
wasn't this was not this was not supposed to be
part of the program. It's literally just Doug flu Hey, guys,
how you doing, And then just keeps going.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
All those ladies over here talking about the flood.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
You love waves.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
The Charles River overflowed that that year, and I was
over my buddy's house. I'm like, I'm like, Paul Gee,
the guy was the quarterback. I was just talking about
you let me steal your kayak real quick.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
I'm going out on the river.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
And sure enough there was a camera crew. I don't
know what about You're going your though it flows?

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Oh look at you get the picture?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah, I mean it was overflowed. I got my Natick
sweatshirt on and everything. Yeah, you're going through yards. I
mean that's like probably in somebody's backyard or front yard
going through because they didn't flood it way up.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, too funny.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
How about the Brady event last night? That was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
That was absolutely ridiculous. I mean I was I only
got to spend one year with you guys. In one
year with tom it was absolutely amazing. And to see
sixty thousand people show up for an enshrinement type you know,
it's an event where you put it in a ballroom,
you get a couple hundred people, you make a big
deal at they did it right.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
They did it right for Tommy. He deserved every bit
of it.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
The way people talk about Tom, the way the real
I get jealous of the relationships he had because he
was able to stay in one place for so long
with all you guys and and everyone that came through.
But god, it was an amazing night. I just had
my head on a swivel, saying, hid old friend. It
was like a class reunion for the rest. Yeah, but boy,
and then Tom speed. Tom gets up in talks. It's like,

(21:05):
this guy's a the NFL quarterback, right, he played quarterback.
We're all jocks, right, we play ball, we paddle down, rivers, surfway,
whatever we do.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
He gets up like he was a polished politician with
a thirty minute speech and hit every everything and so succinct.
It didn't leave anyone else. It's just amazing. He amazes
me in everything he does.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
He that's a what you said, politician. I saw Tom,
and I was like, I want to vote for him.

Speaker 7 (21:35):
I thought he was gonna end this speech with and
that's why I'm running for two.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
More years ago, we're getting some chance to go.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Jo was heckling Tom's whole speech.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Oh my god, Oh my god, could you imagine Tom?

Speaker 6 (21:53):
Oh my god, I'll be you would vote for him.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Oh yeah, he's a genuine like to have all the
relationships he had, but to be able to have one
thing to say to every single guy that he looked
at like, he just he's a genuine dude.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I said it.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
You know the year I played one year when the
people I smelt what it was like Tom Tom, and
I'm like, you know what, he makes everybody in the
locker room, in the training room, in the front office
feel like they were the reason we won the game.
The guy on scout team getting taped before practice, Hey,
I need a good look at a great job. Yesterday
you were amazing. We need a little more of that.

(22:31):
You need to be Yeah, every guy, and he talked
about some of the guys talked about you know, there
were low round draft choices coming in trying to make
it think, oh my god, that's Tom Brady. I want
to say high type thing. And Tom knows you knows
you said it right, You said one of those right.
But Tom knew who you were, He knew your history
a little bit already. He made a point to make

(22:52):
you feel welcomed and who you are you know significant
right away.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
No, some people don't realize, like I'll be out in
a city and people be like.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Oh, what's Brady like this? As I fucking hate this guy.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
I'm like, I'm telling you right now if you met him,
the aura that he brings in and he's just he's
a sweet man. He's just a sweet guy. He's like
a there's nothing else you can say. He's a genuine person.
And you see it because of his family and what
he grew up in. His mom is such a sweetheart,

(23:29):
as dad, Like they're crying every two minutes during this
whole ceremony, rightfully. So it's just it was a great night.
It was it was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
It just and I played till I was forty three.
Right by the last couple of years, it was a grind.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
It's like maybe because I wasn't the starter, you know,
I was in a point where I'm definitely the backup
and I'm just thinking, I don't know, but it was
hard to moti get motivated every day to watch film.
It's prep and all that you did it, but it
just wasn't the same. Tom left here goes to Tampa,
wins another super Bowl, had another great year after that,
and how at that age at that point, playing for

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twenty something years, you continue to have that drive on
a daily basis to keep getting better.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
And Tom did that. You know, when I he was
already Tom.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Brady when I went to you know, super Bowls and
all that, before I got to New England that year
with him, and he's watching film of practice of watching
himself throw the ball and how he's going to get
better and after practice, how he's going to get better.
It was just impressive on a daily basis. And to
do it as long and still have that passion at

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the very end, it was absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
It was.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
It was.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
And when people don't realize I was in that same
boat where he was already Tom motherfucking Brady when he
got there. He wasn't Tom Brady yet. It wasn't Tom Brady,
was Tom MF Brady.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Where three super.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Bowls, he had the supermodel wife, he had all the success,
all the accolades. But if you were to walk into
a an offensive room or you walk into a practice
and you watch Tom, he's the guy. He's the guy
that's working the hardest, and he always practiced.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
With a purpose.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
It never it was never just like let's get through
the motions. Let's just go flop it out there. Let's
throw a couple in cuts, Let's throw a couple out.
It was like he was so focused on every day
that he did something.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I mean, I think it was my I think we
won a super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
We're going back to play another one two years later,
and it's I think it's week fourteen.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
He's got Tom House in week eleven.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Week twelve, he flies out his quarterback coach, this guy
who already has four Super Bowls, who already is Tom Brady.
He flies out a quarterback coach in week eleven to
work after practice with the guy, just to tighten up
his fundamentals.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Look, yeah, if he felt like something wasn't you know,
he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
His accurate missed a throw the week before, right, he
misses a throat, and his quarterback guru's.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Out on you know, on a plane. The next day
he fixed me.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
He we played golf, uh Tom, the group of us
and Tom Fish was his guru with the golf teaching him.
He had a new swing and Tom was like shooting
part of golf, hitting the ball like a pro, even part.
After sixteen holes on seventeen he mishits a drive winds
up with the double bogies eighteen. I think he either
he mis hit his drive again on eighteenth he called

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on the eighteenth green, He called Fish to meet him
on the driving range. As he walked off the eighteenth green,
he goes over to the driving race starts working on
a swing because he mis hit two balls. That's tom
That's who he was or who he is.

Speaker 7 (26:45):
Is that mentality? Just are you born with it or
do you develop that or is it a combination of two?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, it's inside, I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
He and I we all need something that motivates us
on a daily basis to get better every day. I
always had a chip on my shoulder about the height thing, right,
people telling me I couldn't do this, couldn't do that,
and you know, and I remember a quote from Steve
Grogan saying, why is They asked him, why is Doug
still playing at forty three? Because he's still trying to
prove people wrong. And that's Tommy not being drafted high.

(27:18):
I think stuck in his crawl forever. I mean, he
was already the way he was, but that's why he
played as long as he did. I think he wanted
to shove it down their throat, because on a daily basis,
there's got to be something in the back of your
mind that's driving you every day.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
And also I believe Belichick was his Jedi mind tricks
and the way he put him on the table in
front of everyone. Like I just watched to interview Tom
talking and oh, three weeks ago, what did he say?
He goes, you know, I needed to be pissed off
to play my best football. And what did Bill do

(27:55):
every fucking day?

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Pissed him off?

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Hey, Tom, trying to just give them the ball? You're
hitting them right, and what do you do?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
You know?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Bill had that sarcastic where he come home to a
Wednesday morning meeting. Oh and you better have watched film,
and you better have already looked at your scouting report
and been ready.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
He started firing.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Question wednesdays, you better get it right now being a
naked guy.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
How was it playing for the Pats with your whole journey?

Speaker 4 (28:22):
I mean you went to the USFL, the Ingle to Canada,
you get to come home. I mean you played for
San Diego, you played for Buffalo, but to come home
and play for the Pats.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
What was that like?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
That was really cool.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I played with the Pats in the late eighties for
three and a half seats. Ye Oh, here's the great
This is a cool thing. Yes, it was great having
hometown fans. People love it.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
It was also ahead of Cassle.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
It was also a headache because if I wasn't the starter,
like in the late eighties when Tony Easton and Grogan
were there, if I wasn't the starter, I was a
headache to have because every time there was an incompletion
or an interception, they start chanting my.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Name, they want me in the game, blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
And every time I did get on the field, good
things did happen, but it created a little bit of
an issue. Funny story in the eighties, I would drive
from Natick to Foxborough and I'd stop at the McDonald's
on one oh nine going through.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Is it Billis? I think it's Billis?

Speaker 1 (29:16):
And uh, get my hotcakes and sausage and head to
the stadium right And I mean, and there was this
woman that worked at McDonald's.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
And this is the late eighties.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
I resign a five come back from When I'm driving
from Natick to Foxboro, I stop at the same McDon
the same lady's working the window eighteen years later.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
I mean, you can't make it up.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
She goes, I knew you would be coming by the
time that they signed.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I knew you would be coming. You kuldn't be.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Man that that had to be such a crazy dream.
I mean, for me, I grew up in the Bay,
and I grew up a Niners fan, and I had
the actual opportunity I was going to sign with San
Francisco potentially in two thousand and four routine.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
I was on a visit with the Niners.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
They offered me a way better contract.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Bill, you fucking ask.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
No, Bill's over here, for I got. I also got
to say this Bill's over here. I'm like, Yo, Bill,
you can come my goddamn podcast. He goes, how much
you gonna pay me? I go, I'm gonna pay you
the goddamn amount of money you didn't pay me when
when I signed four contracts with you. That's the amount
of money I'm paying.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
We'll give them the rookie deal.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Give them the rookie deal, lege minimum. Got to prove it.
I forgot my train of thought. Bill, you just fucked
me up.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Forty nine ers.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah, so I'm sitting there and just like Flutes said,
if I were to sign back with the Niners, the
amount of headaches you have to deal with. Oh think
your ticket fans, friends, family, everyone's come out of the
wool works.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
That just had to be such a cool experience.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
It was fun to play at home and all that.
And the ticket thing. You know, you line up at
the beginning.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I bought them and put them at We'll call, and
then half the guys wouldn't show up because they just
assume you're getting them for free. Yeah right, So like
Nasty Weather, I'll watching at home or whatever. And meanwhile,
you you paid for all these tickets. But it was
it was cool to to play in front of your
friends and family and all that stuff. But you know,

(31:19):
you relaxed on the road. You got on the road,
you got the extra nap in.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
You slept on a Saturday a little bit.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
Some of your best sleep came on that bus, ride
in that plane.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, all the prep.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Now you're driving on one ninety. Get your hot cakes
in the morning at the McDonald's. Can you walk us
through the drop kick you're hearing Foxboro?

Speaker 5 (31:43):
Yes, they're in Foxborough, your hometown area, and You're getting
to do something that hadn't been done since.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
There's a whole drop drop kicks.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Actually, I took a picture last night with back Castle,
Tim Dwhighte and Lottie Packson and cast through the touchdown
to Tim as I was talking to Bill about doing
it and I'm like, are you serious yet? And I
ran out on the field and Lonnie was the long snapper.
So it was a cool little picture of the guys
that made it all happen. Chris Berman was the guy

(32:15):
at practice on a Friday talking to Bill whispering in
his ear. You know, Fluty can drive. He'd seemed messing
around during pre games and stuff. He's like he and
Berman knew the history of it. It hadn't been done
since nineteen forty one, so he went to Bill. Bill
calls me in the now. I'm forty three years old.
I'm doing jack for the team, all right, I'm hanging
out with Pom. Pom's cheering for Tommy that's win a
Super Bowl. I'm thinking I'm getting cut.

Speaker 6 (32:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, I'm walking into Bill's office, what do you want
to and Berman standing behind him just beaming with Bill's like,
can you drop kick.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I go, I can do it.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
He's illegal. I go, yeah, it's still legal. He goes, well,
work on it. We're going to do it tomorrow in practice.
So that was the beginning of it. We were going
to do it on a Monday night against the Jets.
I got in the game, we drove down. We were
going to do it as a field goal, and we
stalled out around the thirty five or something. It's gonna
be a forty something yard We didn't do it. Forgot
about it for two weeks. I'm on the sideline standing

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next to Bill and we're on the five yard line
in the middle of a play. Bill sees me there.
He's like, hey, we score here, you kick it. We
were in before he finished the set and we were in.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
The end zone.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
I ripped the jacket off. Go out, blah blah blah,
Are you serious? I took a ball adam an equipment
guy's hand. I did a little punch into the stands
that I'm I'm gonna pull a muscle. I'm gonna straight.
I'm in the huddle trying to do the old man stretch.
All that it's twenty degrees out. I got a jacket
at forty three. I'm one hundred years old, and uh,

(33:39):
we get out there and all the guys like they'd
already won super Bowls, right.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
This is the Patriots. He's the guy. They were acting
like a bunch of little kids at Christmas.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
They were fired up about this, right and Bam, I
think Bam Childress was there.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Ben was an.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Ben was a He just got activated for this game.
He's a wide receiver. He's out there. Sam Madison's like.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
You're running that fade, aren't you. He said, no, no, no,
you're not. Watch the slant.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Watch.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Pim's like, no, check this out.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
This is gonna be cool. Watch this.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
And that's what Lonnie like.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
There was a they used a timeout, so Lonnie came back,
Steven Neil came back. We're back in the huddle, and
they're like, Keith Trailer's over my nose. He's gonna kick
my ass, right, and I'm like, just tell them what
we're doing. So there are a lot of conversations going
on to keep these guys from rushing it because they'll
probably block it anyway. Lonnie snaps it, Keith doesn't beat
them up. Lonnie steps through. Zach Thomas linebacker steps up.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
What the fuck was that? Lonnie looks about it?

Speaker 1 (34:34):
It's like as a dropkick, motherfucker, I'd been done in
sixty four years.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
And yeah, it was really it was. It was a
cool thing. It was a cool thing for me because
I didn't do squat the whole year.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
But hang out and here for Tommy and uh, you know,
the guy's got to smile about it.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
And then I jogged to the sideline and I go
to Bill for very awkward He's not a touching, fairly
very awkward hug with Bill. Well, my daughter tells me,
I have to get you off Tom Brady on national team.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Tom came out for high five.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
I went right right by Tommy to Bill, you've done Tommy.
He saw in the awkward, in the awkward on the
high five, I mean he doesn't make a high contact.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Oh you know, he just kind of puts his arm up.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
I mean, you haven't lived until you walk by a
Tom Brady high five. He hadn't lived until you've done that.

Speaker 6 (35:26):
Right after it happened, like that's like the biggest smile
I've ever seen. Bill Belichick got on his face. Incredible.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Now do you think coach wanted to do this just
because he loves football history.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
He loves the history of the game.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Mary.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
He used to talk about the veer and his dad
and all the history of you know.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
What that was option football back with Navy and all
that stuff. So he loved the history.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
He was he giving you on you know, every one.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
So on a Friday, practice was where you guys practicing
the the free kick situation before half where.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
You fair catch.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Oh yeah, all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
And you get a freak kick like it hadn't been
done since sixty.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
Eight, And he tried it at the end of a
let me yours was the last successful one.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
No, I'm talking about the free kick, a situation where
look before half, if it's the last it could time
could be going. But if you fair catch, you have
an opportunity to have a free kick where it's like
a kise off and you get to kick it on.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
A tee too.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Right, Well, I know, no, that's the one thing on
a free kick. But see a free kick, you could
do a drop kick as well.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Now, I was with Morstead, New Orleans Saints punter. He
was an SMU. It was a college kid. Just after
I had done this, I retired. I went into the ESPN.
I started doing games and do an SMU game. He's
all fired up to meet me, and he's like, after practice,
we're gonna do some drop kicks, So we go. I
saw him hit an eighty yard dropkick. Jesus, it was

(36:52):
like shot out of it. He was an old rugby
player and he could hit this thing. The punters that
have the strong legs hit it on the upswing and
the ball bounces off the ground a little bit, so
you get more things like shot out of a cannon. Now,
the accuracy the ball's doing this. It's hit so hard,
But in a desperation situation, you could hit like a
seventy eighty yard drop kick.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Some of these punters, no, how come you could drop kick.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
I grew up as a kid in Florida, never wore shoes,
but I learned to kick barefoot, and I never had
anybody to hold for me. So I'd drop in and
kick it and just kind of messed around doing it.
And then Mike Vanderjet and I. Mike was the kicker
with Indy, yeah or idiot kicker, right kicker, but he

(37:38):
was our kicker in Toronto, and he and I would
go out in pregame like hours before, messing around, have
little competitions, and he could.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
He could really drop kick.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
And when I when we played Indy when I was
in Buffalo, we would go out, I'd meet Mike on
the field early and we'd mess around drop kicking. And
that's when Berman saw me doing it. Led to Berman
talking to and it happening.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
So it's so crazy because I remember when I was,
I was stealing. I was in high school when you
did the drop kick, and I'm old. I'm not young,
but I remember seeing that, and so I always just
drop kick. And so in practice would be dicking around,
I go to Double Jay's, our old equipment guy, and

(38:25):
I'd drop kick them the ball and everyone be like fluties.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Breeze and I.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
When I was in San Diego, I was I would
do it all the time, drop kick all the time,
messing around to practice, and Drew and I would get
on the line and Breeze and I would play catch
drop kicking from twenty yards apart, keep it down the line,
hit it to each other. So Breezy tried one in
a Pro Bowl. He's like flutes, says, okay, if I do,
if I had to do a drop kick. It was

(38:52):
Pro Bowl and he tried it and he dropped it
and had a bad drind and kicked all the line
driving then the line of scrimmage or something.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
It's kind of happy it was successful. That's crazy. Now
you played from.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Eighteen hundreds, Now you played from eighty five to two
thousand and five, twenty years.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
What was the biggest change you saw in the.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
League in football or through your transition from playing in
three different leagues? I mean people he was he went
to the USFL for the USL or USFL. USFL first
got a crazy contract, Heisman Trophy winner, then he leaves USFL,
you go to Canada, then you come back to the

(39:38):
NFL for a bunch like What was the biggest changes
you saw in football in your career?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
It went from because of free agency. In the old days,
guys were on a team, they were there for a while,
and you built an offense and you just generically we'd
go red right sixty four line up in a slip
back set sixty protection four route was a curl. Everybody
knew their complimentary route and ran their complimentary route.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Free agency kicked in.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Guys were coming for one year and you got to
learn the offense you got. Now you had to call everything,
so instead of saying red Rod sixty four, it was
if you want to put shifts in motion on it.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
And things got more complicated.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
It was like tifty queen left slot close, act for
zip act four seven six zero f shoot sneak. You
know you're calling everything, and then you had a second
play on that too, so.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
You know, alert, alert, whatever. Right, So now the wristband
thing came into play. I hated that.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
I freaking I hated that I had a freaking radio
in my head. Well, I came from Canada where we're
spreading them out and slinging it all over the place.
I'm calling my own plays, having a blast to the
second of play ends. You got a radio on your
home and you're offense coordinators talking to you. All right, Dougie,
we're looking at it's third and seven. You got you know,
blah blah blah blah blah whatever, play check this, blah

(40:54):
blah blah blah blah. Alert, be be alert for the
weak side, blitz if they bring two weeks were hot left,
but you know whatever, shut the hell up. I got
it right. I was at practice on Wednesday. I know
what we're looking for, right, so you stop thinking, Not
that you stopped thinking, but I went from in Canada,
call my own place from Hey, how was he playing

(41:17):
you on the backside?

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Hey, no, he's inside technique. We got the corner route on.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Okay, we'll go uh, let's go rebel, right, we gotta
let's go smash her out on the backside.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
You guys will go three seventy one on the front side, bah, bah.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Bah, and kind of thinking, thinking the play through and
knowing where I wanted to put people to shut the
hell up and listen and getting I hated the radio
and the helmet. I liked thinking on my toes. I
had to be alert for down in distancing situations. And
what we did in Canada, we back in this early

(41:48):
is like ninety two empty sets, calling quarterback runs out
of empty if if they're two high safeties in there.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
We got five guys.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Blocking four in the box and I'm off and run
and running trap well, quarterback counter whatever and all that
RPO stuff that started with Damon Allen.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Marcus Allen's younger brother was at Edmonton.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
And Dame.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
We ran all our run game out of.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Gun and Damon was eyeing the backside in and pulling
the ball and running naked off and if he closed down,
I'm like, hey, I can do that.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Then I did it, and i'd you.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Know, get five seven yards in the corner. Would someone
come off on the slot whatever, make the tackle. I'm like,
screw that. You run a fade and you running out.
If he comes off, I'm throwing you the ball. And
we started doing this stuff. Chip Kelly came up to Toronto.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
He was at U n H at the time.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
He came up to Toronto and watched all our film
and was asking questions about this, that and the other thing.
And then he goes to U n H and just
starts lighting it up. Was he turned it into zone
read and then he went to Oregon and it all
became the zone read stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
But we were because.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
In Canada we didn't have we didn't have rains on us.
You know, I say, hey, what do you want to run, Jullian?
You give me, just give me an option round. I'll
crush them.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Just give me. Okay, you do that, you clear them
mount on the outside.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
You guys in huddle, Yeah, oh yeah, it's like I
mean you had your your plays, but we go to
we could talk because I was calling to play.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
You were also Tom Brady, a goddamn of Canada footballs.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
So like it.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
You know, it's it's a little different where you know,
if you're the Flutes in Canada.

Speaker 7 (43:27):
Now, do you think that that play styled a little
bit more of like kind of like the Fluty magic,
the running around making plays just you know, use your
soul instead of using your brain. Worked really well for
you in Canada.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
It worked in Canada, and I yes, you could get
the CFL game.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
You could get away with being an athlete. I'd say,
I was thinking about this. If Jewels had gone to
the CFL as a quarterback, he would have stayed a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
It just would have been ons. You know, still got
a contract to this day.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
They took my rights.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, I bet he would have gone up as a
quarterback because you could, as a quarterback in that league
get away being.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
An athlete and taken off and scrambling and be competitive.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
The difference was because the field was wider, wider, it
was wider, there was more space. It was like a joke.
If you wanted to scramble, it was a joke. It's like, okay,
it's all I remember the first first preseason game, we
had slants or something and I held it and I
moved to the right, went outside and kind of turned
the corner. I'm like, holy macro, I got twelve more yards.
You know, you kind of have a muscle memory on

(44:30):
what it took to turn the corner and stay in bounds.
And I got all kinds of space out there, So
that part of it lent to my abilities. But also
I was still a pocket passer. I still did the
mental part of the game and could pick things apart
and all that, and then when things broke down, take off, you.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Know, and we'll get into the game. But we were
watching this game and Flutes is five to nine.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
And in three quarters, in three quarters and three quarters.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Not anymore, though, I gotta be I I'm under five
nine now, honestly measured.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
Everyone always says that.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
And I always like when people call me shorter because
it's it's more impressive. Yes, you know what I mean,
you know it comes the thing, Yes, no doubt, I'm
five eight okay, but regardless, but you watch huh Dustin
Pretorius five two by now.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
Laser show shut out, Peacha love you.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
But you watch this game and when you have a
shorter quarterback, I was a shorter quarterback. The in breaking
route like passing in the intermediate is it was the
hardest thing. But if you watch this, I mean, I
think you started with thirteen for thirteen or twelve for twelve,
and all the plays you're stepping up in the pocket

(45:45):
and you're hitting guys on twenty yard incuts. You're hitting
like you had that vision which was it's you were
a pocket passer.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I had Tom Coughlin as an offensive coordinator at Boston
College for my first three years. He built my discipline,
taught me to coverage and so what I did make
blind throws, but I knew where the defenders were, right,
I find the defender, you find that little window and
then boom in the gap, you know, timing wise, here
he comes bang. That was you know was and you

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brought up in routes. And early in the game we
hit a couple with Girard coming in on third downs
and they played a three deep zone, but the corner
locked on with Girard and chased them, chase his ass
all the way in and after our first third down conversion.
I go to Gerard, I'm like, was that the corner
in your ass? He goes, yeah, he chased me. I
go have his zone coverage and I go, hey, next

(46:36):
time we call that put your foot in the ground
round a corner route.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
And it was a pokonon I saw that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Later in the game, two huge third downs in the
fourth quarter, I think Gerard put his foot in the
ground round the corner round.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Oh my god, it's just like he started in.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
The guy who says boom took off and uh we cried.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
And it's amazing to me to.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Think that I was so relaxed at that time that
I saw it. You know that you see you know
it's it's three D zone. You're thinking, I got the
post in comedy, I'm going to go in down to
the underneath route, right.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
It wasn't that way.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I saw that guy chasing him, Gerard saw him chasing.
I waited, boom. He went through the corner round Meg.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
That's what they call him Meg where they locked the
guy on him. It's crazy. Did you ever consider changing
positions when you when you left college or did people
ask you to change positions because you're ridiculous?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Athlete.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Not when I left college, but when I came to BC,
there were four upper classmen ahead of me. Gerard was
my roommate. He's already seen playing time as a receiver
on run situation, special teams. He's on the field. I'm
not really on the field. My first place to BC
were Punker turned I opening day against A and M

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I'm back there fielding punts.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
He liked that, but it was.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Like I was very close to going and said, hey,
moveing to a receiver because I knew I thought I
was a better athlete than some of the guys that
were on the field.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
I'm like, I know I can be on the field.
I'm not on the field now.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
And I was a step away from asking at DC
to move to because they were upper now. None of
the guys actually actually Matt Ryan's uncle, Sehn Loffery was
the original starting quarterback. He tore attendant in his thumb,
and then the other two guys got a chance to
play didn't play well. I finally got into the game
and at Penn State and lit it up and was
off and running.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Ain't nobody ever want to put flute in, But when
you put flute in, You're always gonna win, right baby.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
That's how it goes.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
We'll be right back after this quick break. Now let's
go back in time. We have a segment where we
go back in time towards the era of the game.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
That is wayn So let's go around.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
No. November twenty third, nineteen eighty four, Number one movie
super Girl.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Oh my god, no idea. I didn't watch it. It
was a flop flop.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
I never heard of it.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
Thirty five million dollar budget, only made fourteen mil. Was
this was fade done away? But it was a movie.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
It was number one that weekend.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
It was Thanksgiving weekends about weekend movie weekend.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Yeah, number one song Wake Me Up before.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
You go go Michael Wam You know that one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Gerard Love Gerard loved guy. He was.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
I was like Van Halen and shoot Motley Cruz whatever.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Gerard loved Wham. Oh I big John John. I'd been
to more bon Jovie concerts than John has been.

Speaker 6 (49:52):
You know what.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
I saw him yesterday. I saw him yesterday and we've doubledly.
He's he's such a good looking dude.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Yeah, Harris silver Fox, you see that smile.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
My handsome uh Wes Craven's Nightmare on Elm Street Premieeres.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I I saw it. It was a classic. It was
one of those you know that's that's Freddy Fruger.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Yeah, the Terminator, karate Kid, Ghostbusters.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
The original karate Kid Original, the original ghost wax Off.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
Wax Wax was mister MIANGI.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
By the way, hey, sweet, the leg sweet. I have
Alex Guerrero from the first time I ever met him.
He's in my phone as Alex Miagi because he was
like that weird you know what I mean, all those
little techniques and the ship. That's what I used to
call him, Alex Mihagi, Purple purple rain uh Man karate Kid.

(50:54):
That was such a crazy, crazy cultural fun.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
What was life like for you in nineteen Oh my gosh,
my senior year college.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I was, I didn't. I was football, football.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Football, Lenard Skinner, I've always skinnered nut, skinnered nutt. I'm
listening back eighty four. I was listening to a lot
of Van Halen Nice. In fact, there's like a highlight
reel from our senior year and We're at the Cotton
Bowl in the locker room and I'm blaring Van Halen
Stuffing Street. But I was just I was a naive kid, shy.

(51:33):
I didn't party, I didn't go out, I didn't do squad.
I was just football. Then I signed with Trump in
the USFL and all that at the end of my
senior year. But I was a once. Once football season
was over, I was a hoops junkie, lived in the
reck Plex playing.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I still I tried.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I played on the cruise ship a couple of weeks
ago with old guys. It's like we took it to
the young. We lost the chain. There was a three
on three tournament. So I'm sixty one. I got a
fifty seven year old and another sixty year old on
my team, and we're playing like young college kids. And
we made it to the finals.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
We made it to the finals. And then they realized
to stop shooting. Like I said, guys, back off. We're
on a cruise ship, right, that's the ship's moving, the
winds blowing.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Back off. These kids are too stupid to do anything
but shoot.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
They'll shoot the ball and we you know people and
we just you know, going to get some layups and
beat them. But then finally the kids smartened up in
the champion. They just went inside and like put it
up until they Yeah, but we lost that.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
What's your f ball game?

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Like?

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I was a point guard. I was a non shoot.
Now I'm a shoot Now I shoot the ball well
once at three point three point line wasn't in play
when I was in high school in college, right, So
it was like if you took an outside shot, you
were stupid.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
It's like, don't do that.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
It's work until there's no shot clock and there's no
three pointer. That's wait till we get a good shot.
I was a penetrating, dish guy and all that and
had fun fat to BC.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I played my four years of football. I didn't red shirt.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
I signed my contract, left in the spring, came back
the following fall to finish up, and Michael Adams was
a starter. Mike had left of the NBA and Gary
Williams Cook. Gary came and asked me to play for
the team because I used to play pick up with
the team all the time. I was gonna there's a
picture of me somewhere ap of me walking the ball
up the court.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
We were working out.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Bill Walton had just signed with the Bill had just
signed with the Celtics. A bunch of Celtics guys were
BC and we're all playing pick up and I'm walking
up the floor of Bill Walton next to me. I'd
asked Trump permission to play with BC's like, knock yourself out,
do whatever, and then he saw that picture.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
He's like, I can't let you do it.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
You get hurt.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I'm out a lot of money. So I ended up
not doing it.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
Damn that rock. We're a big pro Bill Walton podcast
so here and that was that was.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Rip, man, rip. That was sad these last weeks, man.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
You know with Walton. I grew up in the.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Bay Area, so I love the Pac twelve and then
I moved out here and there was nothing like college
sports here. No, it was nothing like a Tuesday night
at eleven o'clock, ten o'clock at night here, and you
hear Bill Walton having a mushroom story when heddamn basketball

(54:18):
and he's talking about the goddamn grateful dead like I
can feel he could fill the air.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
Nothing like it, man, that will be again either.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
In the sports world.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
In nineteen eighty four national champions were BYU that.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Bothered all of us.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
BYU went undefeated because they didn't play anybody. And then
they played Michigan, who had like a six and five record.
They played Michigan in the bowl game out in San Diego,
and and.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
They claim a national championship. That bothered all of us.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
I'd love it.

Speaker 7 (54:48):
You know, there's Catholics versus Convicts. I'd love Catholics versus Warmans.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Oh, religious warfare. Quarterbacks.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
Jim McMahon, no.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Doing tie tie.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
This was Robbie Bosco. I believe that.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Very very good win the Heisman in nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Joey Baggadona. Yeah, Joey finished second.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
How the hell Doug Fley wins the Heisman nineteen four?
How was that? That was nuts?

Speaker 1 (55:19):
That was my junior year. I actually finished third. It
was Mike Rozier, Steve Young and then me. And so
I was the front runner going into my senior year,
and we had a big win early in the year
against Alabama at Alabama.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I was two and zero.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Against Bama, by the way, just betting that out. I
was the front runner most of the year. The Hail
Mary happens, and it's like, now I'm thinking this is
something was so out of the question to me. Of
having in the realm of possibilities of winning the Heisman.
It became honestly, what if I don't win it? Now
I have to have that prepared, you know, How do

(55:53):
I answer questions about not winning it? The day of
the Heisman though we played Holy Cross that day, it
was the last regular season game. I go from there,
did a quick press conference, go in a van with
the family and everybody to a local airport. Uh BCLM
had a private jet waiting. We take off, go to
Peterborough in Jersey. We land, put my wife and I

(56:15):
who my girlfriend at the time fiance. We take a
helicopter ride over to the city. My parents, everybody got
limos and head over the city. Helicopter ride landed a
heliport across the street from the downtown Athletic Club. Get
out of the helicopter. Well, first of all, we're going over.
We had a little extra time, and I go any
chance we can do like a tour of the city.

(56:35):
And the helicopter guy, you know, he's ask permission. He
knock yourself out, you know, Doug Fludeo, it's his day. Go,
so we do a little lap around. This is my
twenty you know, We're twenty one, twenty two years old.
My wife and I in al in.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
A helicopter.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Cruising around New York City. We land on the across
the street. Now I'm a kid out and we had
no money, nothing. I'd never done anything like this. So
they have a limo drive us literally across the street.
Get out of the car, go up. They had a
room waiting, they had food and stuff. I had about
twenty minutes to kill and it's all sad, and my
wife looks at me and goes, you think they do

(57:11):
this for everybody.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
You had to have won. There's no way to do this.
They had no way.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, because you don't know until they announce it, and
that that was just all very surreal.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
It was.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
It was just a cool experience.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
And what's really cool now is go back every year
and be around that room with the guys and the
storytelling that goes on. There's a hospitality suite every weekend,
and uh, you know, it's just it's just the storytelling
and the guys that have been together for so many years.
And the sad part is every year, you know, somebody
passes away. And they used to have the Daist set

(57:43):
up as and they still do, but by age. And
at the end they put a helmet to represent anyone
that passed since. And it's like, once I get to
the other side of this table, I'm not going anymore.
It's like that I'm still I'm still left of the podium.
I'm still on this side of the podium. Once I'm
on that side, forget it.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
I'm not going on.

Speaker 7 (58:05):
But you know what, next year for the Heisman, we're
getting in an addition, we're getting Reggie Bush back.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Reggie coming back. So it was Reggie, Reggie's younger than me.
That's gonna fuck me on the other side.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
That's gonna to the other side right there that he
I'm done. I'm not going.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
How do you go back to campus after that?

Speaker 1 (58:23):
It was really like you fly to Heisman, Okay, that
night's the TV event, and then you're there for a
couple of days doing luncheons, whatever, blah blah blah, and
they wear you out.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I was worn out for three.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Days and doing no So what I did was I
wanted to be back on campus. I flew back that
night and flew back to New York, like I took
a day before I went back to New.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
York because it was such a whirlwind. I hated all
that stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
And then it was really cool because one of the
women that worked for NBC when I was doing broadcasting
came up to she was a BC around the time
I was at school.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
She was on campus.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
She said, and you don't know this stuff goes on.
You don't know how people perceive you and what their
attitude about you is. At AWE, it was a really
cool story of how everybody got to go together in
their common areas to watch the presentation show and the announcement,
and how you could have heard a pin drop on
campus and then when the announcement of the place exploded,
everybody's out partying and throwing, you know, vandalizing probably, but yeah,

(59:26):
and that it is just cool stories to hear because
you weren't a part of that. You didn't know that
was going on.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
So you I heard you wanted to be back on campus.
What's like the food spot you went to and went to?
What the food spot did you go to?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Pinos?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
I went to Pino.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I still go to Pinos anytime I'm near Cleveland Circle
or BC.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I swined by Pinos. They used to hand roll their
own Pepperoni.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
It was awesome.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
They don't do that anymore. Like, I was very disappointed.
I talked to you. I was like, you got to
go back to the old pepperoni.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
They say that's Isn't that the sister restaurant of Joe's
in New York.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
I don't know. Well.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Of our partners, he always talks, we need to go
to Pinos all the time. Get the cheese steak there,
you get to you get the slice of pizza. I
always love to hear, like the college spot, yes, that
you like to eat at.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
That for me was was Panos. I'd always hit Pianos.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
There was a place called Fantastic Food Factory that was
down on the back side of It wasn't Beacon, it
was on tom It was the twenty four hour food.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
You could go there anytime of the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Night, morning, whatever, and everybody always it was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
It was junk. It was horrible, but it was open
middle of the night.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Fantastic four.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
All right, let's jump into this. Let's starting this before.

Speaker 7 (01:00:38):
One thing before we wrap up in nineteen eighty four
is because you need to four nine have won the
Super Bowl, Dimrina won MVP. Larry Bird won m v
P and it was Michael Jordan and Mario Lemus rookie season.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
A year sports.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
What you I got Jordan that first of all Bird.
You know, Bird was my generation, like that was Larry.
I still watched Larry Bird highlights on my phone, always, always,
always because it was I'm old, I can't move anymore.
So if I played basketball, I better be smart. And
it's like the stuff he did was so like. I

(01:01:12):
loved when he'd have his back to the guy like
trying to back him in. He'd reach around the guy
with a two handed pass.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
And go like that, pull up the guy turn his
head and just sit there. Stuff that takes no athleticism, right,
It was just just.

Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
Smart, this sweet away He's like he played kind of
like Luca he just because Lucas like that, or or
or or Joker. You know these guys.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
They're like the savvy dude at the WYMCA when you're
watching them, like the tall, good dude at the WYMCA.
That just playing with all young guys and still just
roping a dope in joke.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Larry didn't get enough credit for being as athletic as
he was when he was young, because we all picture
him it later when his feet were bothering me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
He's just shooting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
But he did whatever the situation called for, and it
was just a reaction to whatever was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Going on in front of him. Passed through.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Creams, legs, just behind the back, all the stuff that
he just reacted to whatever the situation was in front
of him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
He was great.

Speaker 6 (01:02:08):
I was watching the one the other day where he
had the Atlanta bench literally like falling over as he's torching.
Oh yeah, yeah, in New Orleans. They played that random
game in New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Sixty something points, he's falling out of bounds three and
the guy in his face and it goes in and
the guy's on the Atlanta bench are just cracking up
on each other.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
You gotta be kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
What about that?

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
There was the one game where some guy talked to
him and so he played like the whole second half
and only shot with his left hand hand.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Well, he went into a game saying I'm going to
just play this game left hand. He scored eighteen or
twenty of his points left handed that night.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's just stupid stuff, Larry.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
We were my wife and I were first row balcony
of the old Garden for the game where Bird steals
the ball and the inbounds passed from my day and he.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Hits DJ going to the hoop. Yeah, we were that's.

Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
Some Boston fotball flutes, was there.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
I mean, and there's a flood, gonna see flu there's
a there's a championship game, You're gonna see flutes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
It was, it was. It was a fun time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
It was a fun run with their championships and always
watching the Red Sox and it's just and then unbelievable,
you guys, you know, just so spoiled, the Boston so spoiled.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
Best sports town in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
But my, my Jordan's story was it was during the
NFL strike and the Bulls were starting to practice and
we used to go play a pickup ball with the Bulls.
Scottie Pippen Jordan's you know, I used to cover Sadel three.
He played with l A and he was in Chicago
at the time. Because it was the only guy that
I could almost you know, he was only four or
five inches.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Taller than me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
And uh that was that was a cool time when
Jordan would show up, Like the days Jordan went there,
I handled the ball, covered my guy had a hoop
or two, you know, comfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
When Jordan was there, the intensity went through the roof.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
And I was just like, get the ball something, you know,
get ready to get it out of your hand. It
was I remember walking through the training room and Jordan's
getting taped and I started by he going, oh, Doug,
your brother had a that's your brother place for BC.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Yeah. Yeah, I got a great game against Syracuse.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
My brother broke his hand and had to cast on
one heyes receiver and he had a couple of touchdowns,
a couple of one headed catches.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
All that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Jordan saw it and he's like, bet, I thought that
was the coolest thing ever. A little different from when
the first time I met him.

Speaker 6 (01:04:30):
Mike probably won a lot of money on that game.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
So we've already talked about the story's out there. But
the first time I met him, we were in the
Super Bowl fourteen and it's him and Jeter and I'm
out to dinner. I'm taking my folks out of dinner
before the Super Bowl and I'm leaving and I see
Derek Jeter and Michael Jordan and I'm like sitting there like,
oh my god, this is our show. I gotta go

(01:04:56):
see hi to him, you know what I mean, Jeter,
most charming dude ever. Jordan didn't say a word until
I was about to leave. He goes, hey, kid, I
got a lot of money on you. Don't fuck it up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
I mean, just my oh my god, I wouldn't want
it any other way.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Let's talk about this Miami Hurricanes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Let's oh these guys. They were sick. We had no
business being on that field. We had no business.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
If you were to watch that game, their defense, you
were carving them up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
They played some it's like, are you kidding me? Three
deep three like Penn State was a dream country. Penn
State played the like they dropped the spots.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
It was the difference in that game was we sacked
Bernie I think twice and picked them off twice. And
that was the only difference in the game. You know,
we went up and down, but they like, you couldn't
tackle Eddie Brown, you couldn't tackle well. Alonzo Highsmith was hurt.
A guy named Oh my god, how am I drawing
a blank on it? You had five touchdowns that day

(01:06:00):
running back, but he had the day of his life.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
That was Melvin Bratton Melvin Bratton.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yeah, we couldn't tackle these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
They were like elitea Eddie Brown, Willie Smith, Alonso Bernie
a quarterback defensively, you know, they were just stud athletes
and we were my senior class. There was a coaching
change of BC. We were a bunch of Ivy League kids.
We were going to go to Ivy League schools. Gerard
was going to go to the Naval Academy and all that.

(01:06:27):
There was a coaching change of BC, and they were
just scrambling and signing guys we didn't belong on the field.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
But then Jimmy Johnson's first year too, first year. But
because see I always in my mind looking back in
this game, it always feels like the full David Glass.
But like this was number ten and number twelve ranked
teams at the time, which was they were coming.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
We were.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
It's it's why you play the game, you know. It's
like the Boise State thing against Oklahoma. I remember all
the pundits that I was. Yeah, they won the game,
but they're not as good as And it's about winning
the game, right, It's about making plays, doing what you
have to to win.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
We finessed people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Actually, I say that we ran the ball great we
had we have Boston College has always had good offensive
linemen that ended up going NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Cope was a BC guy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
So actually in the Cotton Bowl we ran, We rushed
the ball for well over two hundred yards and all that,
so we we could. We had Troy Strafford was our
tailback that played nine years, and three of our receivers
played in the NFL. Two tight ends, four or five linemen.
Bill Romanowski was on defense. You know, we we had,

(01:07:35):
We had players. We had the guys at.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
The vault in the player.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
I love Stokes's face. It's like that dude was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Kelvin Martin was the only real athlete on the field.
He was he was.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
He was an NFL talent athlete. He weighed one hundred
and sixty pounds. He was like one fifty three when
he came in. He was played one hundred fifty three
pounds when he came in as a rushman.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
But he was amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:08:00):
You guys were averaging thirty three, almost thirty four points a.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
Game, so it was at a trophy winner, of course,
they are right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Well, it was at a time when we could we
threw the ball and not a lot of college teams
were good or efficient at throwing the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
B why you was doing it? We were doing it.
Iowa had a guy Long.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Chuck Long, who could throw the ball, and you know
passing offense, you had that. That was the equalizer with
teams like playing Alabama and playing whoever.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
We played Miami, we could throw the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Ball at him the d lines. It's tough. Get you can't.
You can't run the ball against those big boys.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Steeve Trapilo was the first round draft choice offensive line
for US. Mart McDonald played in the NFL. I think
first a second. Twombly played with denver.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
You go down the list and all these guys. Gerard
was drafted but had a bad knee injury. My brother
Darren played in the NFL for three years, and a
bunch of Canada Kenny Bell, Steestrahan, and Troy Strafford. All
three running backs had careers in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
How would you sum up this nineteen eighty four Boston
College team.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
We were the class that nobody wanted. So it was overachievers.
It was all guys, and you guys talked about it
on stage. It's you don't want to let your teammate down.
Trust thing and all that. That's who we were. And
I always say, at a college level, you get away
with that. You know, at the NFL level, you need

(01:09:26):
a Randy Moss, you need a couple of those guys.
But at the college level, we didn't know. We weren't
supposed to beat Alabama. We didn't know we were supposed
We weren't supposed to beat Clemson in Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
And we weren't supposed to be on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
With those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
You know what, when I went to Kent State, I
was playing quarterback out there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
I would get so.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Mad when we would go and play like we played
Ohio State and a lot of these kids they grew
up in Ohio, so they we lost the game before, yes,
it even started, because they were intimidated, like, oh this
is they made it such a thing. But to hear
that your team, we didn't know better. He didn't care.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
We were naive. We were Steve ster.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Han, who wind up playing in the NFL for a
while with the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
We go to Clemson to play Clemson. Clemson was a
defended national champion. They told coach Bick don't have your
team on the field. When they touched the rock and
come down, it's very intimidating. A sea of orange and
all that bits, like is that cool?

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
I want to see it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
And that's who were we show up?

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Ster Han's like putting grabbing bags of grass like baggies
and putting the great saying I played at Clemson and
that on the shelf. Yeah, that type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
But then we played. We didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
We weren't supposed to be on the field with guys
like the Fridge and all these first.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Round draft choice guys.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
How was it having Coughlin as a as a KEB coach?

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
It was? And and I go Tod, Yeah, I go
to his golf tournament every year.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
And he and I still talk about this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Are you taking the eugen X when you're when you're there?
Because I see in the commercial.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Genecks total t.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
He I was the mostest I was Tom Brady during
the years that I had Tom Coafflin, I was the
most disciplined I'd ever been. I got my best grades.
I was a Rhodes scholar Candon, I was a finalist
for Rhodes School. I got more out of myself because
of his discipline in me and teach. He taught me
more football than any other football coach. Then on game

(01:11:26):
that I head coach, big so I was relaxed and
went out and just bawled and played. But he to
this day we ran a whirlybird option like trap option,
come down the line. I can still do the footwork
because he ingrained it into my head five minutes every
day doing that stupid footwork. And he was He was meticulous,
and he was what I needed as a college kid.
Coughlin was the best thing ever happened to me and

(01:11:48):
gave me the chance to do what I did.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
No, I almost signed with him in thirteen. I was
a free agent.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Where was he giant?

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
He was a giant.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
He was the head coach and I sat in his
office with his little red cheeks and uh.

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
You guys got some red cheeks.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Well when I signed with you guys at five, I
almost signed with the Giants to go with Coughlin because
Coughlin was a head coach and the offense coordinator was
John Huffnagel, who was my coordinator in Calgary.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
But you could just tell that you know him and
Bill came from that same kind of tree. From the
parcel thing. You could just tell he was a tough
dude and he ran his ship tight tight.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
All my classes had to be in the morning, done
before noon, Go grab lunch. I'll meet you here at
one o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
You're here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
You know, regular meetings didn't start till whenever, but I
always met with him first. And you you know, it
was that you better be early and the book is open.
You're ready to take notes. Feet flat on the four
no no elbows on the table, all that stuff, no
hats in the meeting room, just regiment.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
And he built discipline in me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Geez, what do you think about the Billy O'Brien ara.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
I saw Billy last night. I'm excited for him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
I don't know why the hell anybody would take a
college coaching job anymore. I just I it's all just
a game change, or everything's different. You're gonna have these
kids and develop them. You got to spring to develop.
These kids are going to play in the fall and
then they're gonna leave you next year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
You know, I love BC. I love the football.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
I'd love to see them because there's no reason why
they can't be competitive football wise. In the in the ACC.
Basketball is another question. But I just think we should
be in the mix. You know, there's Clemson, maybe Florida
State talent wise, and then everybody else, and we should
be the top of everybody else and giving them a
run for their money.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
I mean, you got to recruit your own goddamn players. Yeah,
that's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Every year, every year.

Speaker 6 (01:13:47):
That's that's every year in high school transport team.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I just talked about all these guys, and I could
tell you all kinds of were the bond that I
had with my BC guys four years together, you know,
and we still see each other, we're in text change
and email.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
These kids aren't going to have that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
They're going to a school about the money, not about
the school, not about the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Coach, about the money.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
They play for a year, and if they're not the guy,
if they're not doing what they hope they could do,
they're gone. Then if they do what they hope they
could do, they're still looking for more money.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Out of somewhere up. So there's that's all out the window,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
I was thinking about it, like I went to Kent
State my first year, we bawled out. We had like
a historic here for the school. If it was this time,
I would have went to Oregon right after.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
I mean, why wouldn't you?

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
Why wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Well, that's how you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
Get a lot more money. You're gonna need to play
in the West Cup, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Like Kent State, Boston College, Wake Forest, those types of
school We first.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Off don't put us in that category two below, but
I appreciate the point is that those type of schools
take a risk on a guy that they see talent
in and develop them, maybe by their junior senior year
their studs, but maybe the sophomore year they help out
junior year to play.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
But if you get to that point, they leave once
you develop them, they're leaving though, So there's just no
way to get it done. Ridiculous, Jack, why don't you
give us a game lead up? Let's get in this
lead up of this game? As Doug mentioned earlier, Oh,
this was a day after Thanksgiving Dame Day game, that
prime two point thirty spot. Brent Musburger on the call,
this is vintage college for well, this is good stuff.

(01:15:27):
Miami entered eight and three. As we said earlier, R
number twelve BC seven and two tenth right Team BC
had already accepted the Cotton Bowl invitation, so, as Doug
said earlier, this was playing for pride. And don't forget
they had to Holy Cross the next week too, so
I can't look past the Crusaders, baby.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
And it was.

Speaker 6 (01:15:45):
Miami six point favorite in this one. We're talking betting line.
Shout out Michael Jordan and Miami. Miami is coming off
a crazy loss to Maryland the week before. Frank. They're
up thirty one nothing at halftime. Frank Reraig, we know,
Frank Craig storms back in beat them, so they're kind
of reeling, probably pissed. I really wanted to get a

(01:16:06):
dove out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
There picture this, Okay, Miami yea top twelve team, right
up thirty one to nothing, wind up losing to Maryland.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Insane, insane play.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Us lose on the hailmary at the end of the game,
go to their bowl game and play Ohio State. Who
kicks a fifty five yard Ohio State? I believe it
was Ohio State fifty five yard field goal in the
last play of the game to beat them their last
three games. What Jimmy Johnson's like, I'm done, I quit.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
Oh my god, oh Jimmy just when he got better
players deal early.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
Yeah, yeah, what a crazy way in the season.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
My God's nuts.

Speaker 6 (01:16:46):
But getting into this game, it was a windy, misty,
foggy day down at the old Orange Bowl. Started out,
it was a track meet from the jump from the
jump fourteen to nothing. BC gets up, then Miami storms back,
ties it up fourteen fourteen. At what point were you
just like, ah, shit, like, just give us the ball
back every time?

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Well, it felt like it felt like a practice, like
you were just completing passes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Yeah, dropping back and thrown right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
And in the third quarter we actually punted and we
had to kick a field We punt it once and
we kicked a field goal, and I thought that's where
we came over and uh, like I said, the difference
was we had a pick at least one. Bill Romanowski
picked him off over the middle and it was a
stop and that got us back into that they score,

(01:17:32):
we score thing, and we got back into that rhythm.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
But it's like I went over to coach pick.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
They had third and twenty one, they had a penalty
with three and a half minutes ago, they had a penalty,
and we're in their own five yard line. Ish and
Bernie we almost sacked him for safety. He gets out,
he dumbs it to the back, he gets twenty yards
and then on fourth and short they get the first down.
There's still a minute and a half. There's still two
minutes on the clock. I go to coach b I

(01:17:58):
go let him score.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Just let them fucking score so we can get the
ball back with enough time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Yeah, and they milk the clock, walked it down and
scored with twenty eight seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
It's like, yeah, right, twenty eight seconds. What are we
gonna do with that?

Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
And then we get down to that play that we
all know, down to the Miami forty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
When we got the ball, my mentality was, we've got
three or four plays here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Let's get the ball to midfield. Just make sure we
get the midfield to take a couple of shots.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
We had two timeouts. College football clock stops.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
After a firstunds, right, So we get a first down
on the first one on a seam route. We get
a first down on the second one out of bounds,
and I'm like, we're already crossing midfield.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
We still got two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Timeouts, so there's one play. Was it incompletion? I never
used the timeouts. You know, we still had two in
our pocket.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Are you calling timeouts? You dropping them?

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
I yeah, that's another thing we call them the on
the field.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Yeah, but we were really good at two minutes and
call it college is they waste more time? You know,
look into the sideline getting the plane all that. I mean,
I was just call my own play.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
So we get it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
We line up in a hurry, I get to play called.
I'm ready to snap the ball before the official and
then on the whistle, boom, he snaps the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
We didn't waste time.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
We may maybe lost a second and a half, you know,
but uh, we were We were good at not wasting
time on our two minute and didn't have to use
the timeouts.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
So you didn't have to use the timeouts. And it
goes into the last play. Now, what's your mindset? Can
you take us beat for beat with that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
My mindset is I was hoping to get a little closer.
Didn't happen in completion six seconds, Okay, it's time for
hill Mary. I'm getting in the huddle to call to
play and they're running a freshman on the field with
the play like I got a fifth like Sean Sean Debrowski.
Freshman Dumbo was his nickname. They put they want him
on the field because he can jump. It's not gonna be.

(01:19:45):
It's like your freshman sit out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
I'm waving him off the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Field because I want Troy Strafford. He was a fifth
year senior. I wanted Troy on the field for the
play and him be.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
One of the receivers.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
He was a running back, but I wanted him in
the mix. Little that I know, Troy had a pull
ham straight.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
He never gets down the field on the plane, So
Troy starts to jog off the field. I'm yelling at
Troy to get his ass back here, and dumbbo off
the field. So the freshman does it. He's like, I'm
listening to Doug and I'm off the field. Troy comes
back to the huddle. The bench sends Sean bag. I'm like,
no sit down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
So we get the play called.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
We go to the line of scrimmage and there's an
inverting whistle on a flag and there were the defenders.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Were on Girard and on Troy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Leaving Calvin Martin, the outside receiver, to be the free
runner to get down there first.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
And after the interverting whistle. We line up again.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Now I tell the tight end go down the backside,
and my philosophy is, buy as much time as possible.
Make it a jump ball, but back then everybody drop back,
throw it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
The receivers are still trying.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
To get there. You got to you gotta buy time to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Get your time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Last second, the defender decides, you know what, this is
the guy with speed. I'm gonna go jam him and
walks off. Gerard goes to the outside defender, allowing Gerard
to be the first guy down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Now, Gerard, they did an I saw on the replay.
He looks like he's running a five four or forty.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
I mean we're in a wet He's just chugging down
the field with his head down. And when I rolled right,
they all the defenders sat flat and let your go
right by him. He's deeper than the deepest and turning
around and seeing the ball thrown. But then when I
pulled up, it's kind of like a javelin on the
move through it and got it there. I was gonna
look backside, but a linebacker was running at me, so

(01:21:26):
I didn't have time to look backside. I get outside,
I just let it launch to an area. I see
the two defenders go up and everybody just fall to
the ground, and there's a half second delay, and I
see an official's arms. I'm like, you gotta be fucking
I start laughing my ass off and start running towards
the pile. And I never got down there. There's a
great picture of Stee Tripillow with me in his arms.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
I guess I jumped down.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
There's a better picture that I love me and my
brother's arms from the back of him with Flutio in
his jersey, and be with my arm in air too.
That was a cool pick man. But I and then
I everything settled down, starting towards the locker room, I
didn't know who caught it. I assumed Gerard caught it.
I had no I say, I ran into our strong
safety day Praira, I said, you know who caught the ball?

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Caught it?

Speaker 5 (01:22:18):
Da da da d Now how did was there a
roommate chemistry?

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Oh, no, doubt, that's why you. Randy was talking about
putting his locker next to Tom. Yeah, there's Gerard and I.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
Finished each other's sentences.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Yeah, four years together, roommates the whole time, all that
kind of stuff and talking at lunch talking it and
that's where you build the rapport and you understand what
the other guy's thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Yeah you know that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
And it's not like you intentionally are having lunch together
to talk about football. You just talk about at dinner,
you know, talk about practice.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
Oh yeah, that was that was cool. Role.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
I like, you know, we should do this, we should
do that? What about this?

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Subconsciously? Yeah, when you know each other, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
There's a trust that Bill you knew in those situations
who to lean on. And Gerard was always that guy
in college. Eric Molds was that guy for me in Buffalo.
Tim Dawahite, who's a good friend, Tim was that guy
for me in San Diego.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Yeah. Yeah, that's why I.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Got a boy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
He could run. He just got his hip replaced too.
He's running again. Man, He's he's so fired up. He's
all he's jacked. Like he's got a little bit of it.
Looks like you might have a belly.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
It's all abs. He's like he could be a boxer.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
He was lightning. Yep. Now, how does it feel to have.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
Probably the most iconic play in college football history?

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
I I you know what I say, I say most
of us are forgotten. Even if you win the Heisman
or whatever, people forget, never forgotten. At least I have
a play people remember, and it comes up all the
time and they all have their memory of, Oh, you know,
we turned the TV off and went home, been found
out on the news. Back when you didn't have your phone.
You had to wait till eleven o'clock news to see the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Highlight, right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
You know, I so many stories about where they were,
who NFL guys were. It was a Friday afternoon, and
all the NFL guys that I ran into later said
they were in the locker rooms after practice watching.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
The end of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Yeah, and you know, so you get all the stories
of where everybody was, what they did. I know where
I was, and you've got a help a lot more.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
See, I didn't know. We didn't realize it was that
big a deal. It was a big deal to us.
You know, we just want a big game. You know,
we land now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Boston, we talked about Boston is not a college sports town.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
It's it's pro sport. Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
We landed Logan Airport and there's like ten thousand people
and they had to Gerard and I. They pulled this side.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
We go into it like everybody's going to the team
bus and they shoved us into a cruiser and get
the hell out of there, and it was like Beatles stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
It was like that was that didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
Happen in Boston for college, not for college.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
But I mean when you guys go out and have
probably the most impossible play. Literally we're still this is
thirty five years after and we're still talking about this play.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
I mean, that's so cool. That's such an insane you know,
you have all.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Those moments in your head of big plays, plays that
helped you win the Super Bowl to play that was
a pivotal play, and we all know those plays for
ourselves game the game, but this is one that everybody
saw and everybody remembered.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
So that's It's a pretty cool thing to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
What's that mean to you? Though?

Speaker 5 (01:25:34):
That's gotta be one of your Is this your proudest moment?

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
You know? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:39):
It was the Gray Cups.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
I always go to the we won our first my
first championship, My first ring was a Gray Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
I was playing in Calgary and we had to go
eighty eight yards.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
With a minute on the clock, no timeouts into a
thirty five mile an hour win, and we went the
length of the field and I run it in for
the score. That's my go to because that that was
not a Great Cup game. That was the like AFC
NFC championship game to get to the Great Cup. And
then I won my first championship in the Gray Cup,
so that to me was maybe the most important. But

(01:26:12):
this is obviously the most talked about.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Man, that's amazing still to this day. What's the aftermath?

Speaker 6 (01:26:18):
Jack Miami goes down in the Orange Bowl bc.

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
U c LA not oh yeah, my bad, we get there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
You c U c LA hit a fifty five yard
field goal in the last play to beat him.

Speaker 6 (01:26:28):
Not a house state, Sorry about that. BC comes out
victorious forty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
One of my worst games ever was that Holy Cross game.
The following week we won Vague. It was Holy Cross
trap game, trap game. But yeah, my little brother.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Had a hell of a day.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
He had a couple of touchdowns and catches and great run.
But yeah, I played like crap.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
Playing you're the Heisman Trophy and you're throwing touchdowns at
your bro.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
It was the last record season game.

Speaker 6 (01:26:53):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
He was cool.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
He was a freshman that went on rundowns and blocked
and came out. And he had maybe twelve to fifteen
catches that year, you know, a couple of catches here
and there. And that Holy Cross game he had his
first touchdown. It was a cover two and we had
a deuce formation, two tight ends, two flankers. He was

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a flanker out to the right, and we had a
run play called I saw cover two. I checked to
three verticals and I went play. I don't even know
if it's play. Actually dropped back. I looked the safety
in the middle. He was a walk into Darren down
the rail. I didn't even realize he was in the game.
Thank god, I would have overthrown him or something. If
I did, I would have screwed it up. So I
turned and that was pretty cool. But we get the

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ball back, come back and he runs a little trap
two guys in the whole, bounces all the spins, goes
like twenty yards for a touchdown. And I was like,
that was cool because he earned that one. I did
kind of the work on the first one, yeah, but
he really got he got that. It was really it
was cool for him to be a part of that
senior year for me. He left Boston College as the
all time leading receiver, Wow, and then signed as a

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free agent, played three years in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Was a Hall of Famer in Canada.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
Didn't didn't you guys have there was a flutey that
played on our team?

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Was it his son?

Speaker 5 (01:28:06):
Or was there?

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Wasn't there at BC?

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
No, but for the Patriots for a second like came
into our camp. Wasn't there a I doubt it?

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
But Billy my nephews, my brother Bill's boys, Billy played
at Boston College.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
My other nephew, Troy Darren's played college.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Yeah, that's what it was.

Speaker 6 (01:28:26):
He had.

Speaker 5 (01:28:26):
Did he have a big play or didn't one of
the flutie. I just remember when I was playing here,
there was a there was a young fluteie. Yeah, I
had a big player.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Well, Billy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Billy had a play where they beat Virginia Tech on
a fake field goal when he threw a touchdown pass.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
He had a big touchdown pass.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
That's what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
And then Troy is a freshman, got a chance to
play and start played well for a few weeks, and
then that whole he he got intimidated a little bit
by the situation and the coach and all that, and
didn't play well for a while and.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Never got our shot. But I had a couple of
couple of nephews.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Still a lot of flutes though everywhere, a lot of flutes.
Keep it going, Jack, That's right.

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
BC would go on to beat Houston in the Cotton Bowl,
as we mentioned, finished ten in two, number four in
the nation, and Doug Landing on the cover of Sports.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Illustrated after this Sports Illustrated.

Speaker 6 (01:29:22):
Back when it was Sports Illustrated, it was pretty It
wasn't even the coolest thing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
You got flouoty flakes, right, What was the origin of
the flu flakes? How did that come along?

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Well? I had left the CFO.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
I signed with Buffalo and during the off season training
now mini camps or whatever, I signed a deal with
PLB Sports to do some type of endorsement. We hadn't
decided on what kind of food. They asked me a
frozen food, and I'm like, frozen pizza. I'm a pizza guy.
It's go frozen pizza. They come back to me with, well,
the profit marg it's better on a breakfast cereal.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Like, why did you ask me so?

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Then they asked me a favorite. I was like frost
flake sky. You know it's to a flake. Yeah, sure
we do. It was supposed to come out during the
beginning of the season training camp.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Well, everything got.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Pushed back, delayed, it didn't happen, and the timing happened
to work out perfectly with when I took over as
a starter.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
It finally came out. It was like flute mania in Buffalo.
It was nuts. I was scheduled.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
I had scheduled a autograph signing in Rochester at a
home quarters like a home depot, right during the early
on before I was playing a lot. Well, now it
was the height I was playing the flute flakes were out.
It was supposed to be seven to nine that night
on a Tuesday. People were showing up the store at noon.
They had to close. They had twenty five hundred people

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in the store by two o'clock in the afternoon. I
had to close the doors and not allowed. I went
to sign. I got there an hour early. I signed
from six o'clock to ten thirty. Oh my god, and
did not get through half of the people.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
It was a zoo. It was just the whole thing
just blew up and became a big deal. Was all
about the comoundation.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
It was a big It was a big thing. I
mean when you went and took the storm, I remember that.
I mean I liked you more than when you're a Charger.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Let's name this.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
Let's name this game. We'll be right back after this
quick break. So we had this is a segment where
we name the game, we score the game. What do
you think we should give the name of this game?
The Hail Flutey, the Hail Mary game, the Miracle Miami,
the Miami miracle, or something that comes to your mind.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
What should we think a miracle in Miami was the
one that stuck and fits?

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
That fits the Hail Mary game.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Could have been Aaron Rodgers any week of the season.
Hail Flutey is a little presumptuous.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
But that's what the Internet likes to call it. That's
the best Google.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Really, But that's cool.

Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
This is his miracle in Miami, Miracle in Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
It's been quite a lot of miracles in Miami too.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
I know, we got smoked in the last play a
game when we had Gronkin there for the Hail Mary
and then they.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
Didn't too soon.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
But let's score.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
Let'score the score of the game. Is this the greatest
game of all time?

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
Let's score it steaks one to ten decimals, Okay, on
this game.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
The stakes of this game.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
It's a high nines. Oh, the steaks and the steaks,
the steaks. It meant nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
It was bragging rights.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
It was situation because the week before Cotton Bowl, we
took the Cotton Bowl bid because they wanted a New
Year's Day bid. They wanted a winner goes to the
Sugar loser to the Fiesta, and the Fiesta was not
a New Year's Day Bowl at that time, and our
administration didn't want to take a chance. They didn't have
trust us, they didn't want to We could have played
for a national championship. We went the Sugar Bowl, but

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we took We took the bird in hand. So the
steaks were five.

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
How the bulls worked back then, jewels steaks.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
I mean, he's got a Heisman trophy going underdogs, there's
a lot of I mean, this is still Miami versus BC,
David Versukaliath. I'm gonna go with the seven.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Jack did a seven point four. I did a seven
point eight.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
It's an integrity score by Jegarty score. It's an integrity score,
star power zero to ten.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
This was this was this was nine, primarily because of
all their studs and that I was the front runner
for the Heisman at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Vinnie testa Verdi was a backup courter.

Speaker 6 (01:33:23):
He was on the bench.

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
Yeah, Vinnie Testaverdi, you have Bernie Cozart, you got Doug
Flutie Heisman Trophy winner.

Speaker 5 (01:33:29):
You got Tom Coughlin.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
I think at this point to Tom was gone, but
you got Jimmy Johnson.

Speaker 5 (01:33:34):
Jimmy Johnson. Yeah, I mean I'm gonna I'm probably I'm
gonna go eight and a half.

Speaker 6 (01:33:40):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Game play five point nine. I did seven point.

Speaker 6 (01:33:44):
Three, and I was a Russian joge there, sorry thin gameplay.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Come on, this is an this is great, unlet's your
defensive coach.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
For me.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
It was one of my most polished games. There's like
three throws I wish I had back in the third quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
Uh, start out like nine. You can start out eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Of eleven, eleven eleven, and I can't do that in practice.
I was not a high percentage guy. I was a
reel d deal throwing up the field. That's make big plays.
So my completion percentage, that's why I started running shovel
passes up in Canaday.

Speaker 6 (01:34:17):
That percentage throws game play.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
Both offenses were amazing. The defenses not that they played poorly,
they just weren't. I gotta go like eight five somewhere, eight.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
Five high scoring for me, it was fun. The hail
Marriott then, I mean, that's that's a nine nine. I mean,
you guys, no one stopped anyone, and this is this
was basically what we all wanted in the future.

Speaker 7 (01:34:44):
Jack had a seven point eight, which I think we're
gonna need to get some eyes check on.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
Jack Kyler had a nine point There.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Were a couple of punts in the game.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
Name of the game, We gotta score the name miracle
in my cultural cultural talking about forty years later, I'm
still talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
I always refer to it as the Miracle in Miami
because I think that was the headline on Sports Illustrated.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
So I've always labeled it that. I'll go with the
Miracle in Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
So what's the score of the Miracle in Miami. You
gotta score the name.

Speaker 5 (01:35:13):
Oh score the day.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
You gotta score the name. Doug seven five, seven five,
I'm gonna go eight four. Jack has a nine point one.
I have a nine point seven. All right, where does
it go?

Speaker 5 (01:35:24):
Seven?

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
Nine six?

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
What does that lead in the Jimmy's.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Heartbreak would be a fun one or Bernie's heartbreaks heartbreaking?

Speaker 6 (01:35:33):
Biee.

Speaker 7 (01:35:34):
That's right above Game five of the two thousand and
five NBA Finals Spurs versus Pistons, and right below Super
Bowl fifty three Patriots. Rams, this one's way too low.
This is going to be a game that needs to
be rescored at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Then, got, what is this our top game?

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
These are all the games?

Speaker 5 (01:35:50):
Is the game?

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
And the game fits in a big shot?

Speaker 5 (01:35:53):
Rob twenty third for that two thousand and five the Rams?

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Who did we have Slater slate? Yeah, this is a
way better game than that. This is crazy whatever. This
should be a top five game.

Speaker 6 (01:36:05):
Amen, Amen, Doug.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
Did we miss anything about this game or this season
or Boston College?

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Probably not. We just raked it over the Colls.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
But we beat Alabama at the beginning of that year
that kicked off the season. We were down thirty one
to fourteen. Carry Good had just returned the opening kickoff
the second half. He was a stud, went one hundred
and whatever yards and we're down thirty one to fourteen
at Alabama and we came back to win that and
Tony Thurman had a couple of big interceptions.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
I think he had three interceptions in that game.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
And that was the game that made the season possible.

Speaker 5 (01:36:43):
That's low key the game that helped you win the
Heisman as well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
That was like early in the year, high profile, nationally
televised when things weren't nationally televised, and coming off my
junior year, that put me into the front runner early.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
In the year.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Man, you want to plug anything, just there found Doug
flute Junior Foundation for Autism. We have an event coming
up in August that is going to be my life's work.
You know, I thought I played football a long time.
I've already had the foundation for twenty five years and
we are it's it's really cool to see the difference
we're making and helping people and building facilities and building

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opportunities for kids with autism.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
You know, that was the first time Doug and I
ever got to meet. I was a huge childhood fan.
I was so fanatic with Doug Flutie. I was a
five ten, five nine quarterback. He was my like god,
and I disappointed him never, never he gave me the invite.
I think it was a basketball game. No, it was
a hard rock cafe.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Oh, the hard rock cafe thing.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
Yeah, we did the hard rock cafe. I got to
meet you there and it was for the Doug Flute
Junior Foundation. And it's impressive to see where you give
your time, you know. We we all talk about how
great he was on the field in college with the
great the great cups as a professional in NFL. But
to see your life work and where you put your

(01:38:05):
heart and your time with with your Doug Fluotie Junior Foundation,
I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
To this day and very thankful that, you know, I
put that early on in his career. He was there,
you know, supporting me and supporting us and being there.
That was really cool. And I remember that, no doubt that.
And I remember the basketball game we played somewhere out
in Whister or whatever, and you came out for it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
It was how terrible was the basketball game that I
played in?

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
That was a terrible that we had. We we we
had like celebrities verse cops or something. Oh, it was
like a Harlem Globetrotter's type team.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
Yeah, and we want to be competitive and they want
to do their tricks.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
So it's like, but it went well.

Speaker 5 (01:38:44):
It went well, man, Doug.

Speaker 4 (01:38:45):
I just want to say thank you for taking the
time come on my podcast. I mean, you're such a
huge inspiration for me, for a lot of kids, but
for me individually.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
Man, I love you to death, and thank you for
coming on a game.

Speaker 6 (01:38:59):
At my guy.

Speaker 5 (01:39:00):
Well, that was awesome to have mister Boston in Boston.

Speaker 6 (01:39:03):
That's pretty so cool man. That's like an episode when
you're pitching Games with Names. That's a Games with Names episode.
That is a game that hail Mary.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
I mean old Flutes just rolling around in a kayak
during a flood.

Speaker 6 (01:39:19):
Looking like Sean penned down a hurricane Katrina down there
saving lives, paddling through the water, getting to work out
in Natick High school sweatshirt on everywhere. Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
I mean he's still he's still has that competitive edge,
that competitive fire.

Speaker 6 (01:39:37):
I almost fell out of my chair when he's talking
about dropping thirty on a carnival cruise ship playing pick
up with nineteen year olds, like backing them down, crafty
old veteran basketball move was incredible. Flutes, he played with Jordan,
He played with pickup Jordan. Where did that one needs
some I mean more on Earth and oh.

Speaker 5 (01:39:55):
My god, we need to do games with names on that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:57):
We need that. I need some footage, I need security, cameras, picks,
whatever I can get. That's incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
We got to get him back on him. We gotta
do like a great cup for our Canadian we do.

Speaker 6 (01:40:07):
I'm down, bro, I mean CFLs love to.

Speaker 5 (01:40:12):
He was legit one of my heroes.

Speaker 6 (01:40:15):
I don't blame you man.

Speaker 5 (01:40:16):
You know, and he exceeds. They always say you'd ever
want to meet your hero.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
Nah, you could meet your hero and it's flutes because
he's just a great dude, heart over height all day.
Baby rolls up. What was on his uh? What was
on his his request? Starburst, Star Wars hours, drink, Coca.

Speaker 5 (01:40:36):
And a coke and he still looks great.

Speaker 6 (01:40:40):
He was telling he said, a handful of Starbucks at Starbursts,
get him right, He's the best. No advil, no nothing,
just a handful of Starburards.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
He goes fu.

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
My energy was down. I just need a Starburst.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
What's funny.

Speaker 7 (01:40:52):
We were at a bar the other day and like
the new gen X commercial came up, Like I know
that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Yeah, I gotta get Frank Thomas Long, secret ingredient E Jennics,
Star Wars, Star Wars, ground Up.

Speaker 4 (01:41:02):
Star Wars, and a capsule in honor of Doug Flutie's
legendary Hail Mary. We're gonna rank some of the best
Hail Marys of all time. We'll come to a consensus
of our top five. What are they?

Speaker 6 (01:41:16):
This is tough. Let's get into him here when you
read the real quick let's read through them, all right. So, first,
of course, the BC Doug Flutie to his roommate Gerard Falen, first, Miami,
we talked about that one.

Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
Gotta put that in the list. He always kept him
the first name.

Speaker 7 (01:41:32):
Basis to spiag Wham, guy, do you buy We gotta
look at the tape again, but do you buy that?

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
The guy was open?

Speaker 5 (01:41:39):
He texts me, I forgot. He texts me a picture
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Okay, well we'll put that on.

Speaker 6 (01:41:45):
We'll put that on the show because I yeah, I
had never heard that one beforecause.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
I feel like a guy like that, he always.

Speaker 7 (01:41:48):
Has to talk about that play. He's got to come
up with some little like wrinkle or fun little insight thing.

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
He text me a picture.

Speaker 4 (01:41:54):
It's a picture of the film and it's zoomed into
the guy.

Speaker 6 (01:42:00):
Is the play as memorable if he just hits that
wide open game and he walks in?

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
No, yeah, but maybe bands on the field, all rightfield.

Speaker 6 (01:42:10):
We got Russell Wilson the Golden Tate versus Green Bay.
That was back on September twenty fourth of twenty twelve.
Soone was a little bit more infamous than famous. That's
the fail, Mary, right, I believe?

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
So? Yes, why is the fail? Mary?

Speaker 7 (01:42:23):
Let's throw it up real quick, because it shouldn't have
been It should not have been a catch.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
But what do you mean? Why not?

Speaker 5 (01:42:29):
I remember this, but I don't remember this?

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
This was fake ress?

Speaker 6 (01:42:33):
Yeah, I remember this.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
Okay, this is the right one. Oh this was refs
on strike year.

Speaker 6 (01:42:37):
Yep, all right, So we got that one on the list.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
No crazy which, by the way, against the Packers, And
didn't the Packers have one?

Speaker 6 (01:42:44):
Then we also have we've included Green Bay Aaron Rodgers
to Jeff Janis against the Cardinals January sixteenth, twenty sixteen.
Isn't an NFC Divisional Round game? That is, which is wild.

Speaker 7 (01:42:58):
That's still the game they lost when Larry Fitzgerald had
that crazy play at the end correct.

Speaker 6 (01:43:03):
Yes, this was to tie it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Yeah, and then the no T Larry Fitzgerald had that
crazy play. Yeah, that's a crazy that's a great, that's
a great game. We should do that game at some time.

Speaker 6 (01:43:12):
I'm down. Get larry On, Get larry On. Then we're
staying in Arizona. Kyler Murray to DeAndre Hopkins versus Buffalo
November fifteenth, twenty twenty, also known as the Hail Murray
Crazy one.

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
That was a great I remember that one rolls out.

Speaker 6 (01:43:30):
Let's that thing fly. Move into the college.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
Game before we move on from Kyler Murray.

Speaker 7 (01:43:34):
As a Kyler myself, I've never met any other Kylers
in the world, and so I've always like, whenever I
meet a Kyler, it'll be like a moment. And the
first Kyler I met was Kyler Murray. And I can't
stress enough how little he cared.

Speaker 6 (01:43:47):
You hate to see it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
I hate to see it.

Speaker 6 (01:43:49):
You hate to see it, man, Kyler. Then we're moving
to the college game. This is the nineteen eighty Holiday Bowl.
B Yu Simu b Yu came back from forty five
twenty five down with three minutes and fifty seven seconds
left in the game. This is a crazy one, the
Holiday bull come back. Maybe for all you Mormon fans

(01:44:11):
out there, we do this game at some point. Yeah,
where should I say LDS members, LDS members, Steve.

Speaker 5 (01:44:17):
Young, it's an LDS member.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
Laturday Saturday Saints.

Speaker 5 (01:44:20):
We got a lot of Latter Day Saints. Uh people
in my life?

Speaker 6 (01:44:24):
Do you really?

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:44:25):
Agent oh tight, Carter Chow shout out, shut it out.
I didn't know that, Alex Guerrero really I did not know. Yeah,
this was Jim McMahon, by the way, Jim McMahon. Jim
McMahon another when they were there.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:44:37):
Wow, qbu.

Speaker 6 (01:44:39):
Then we're back to Aaron rodgers Man, mister Hail Mary himself,
the miracle in Motown versus Allons. This was on an
untimed down, another crazy one. And then back to the
college game. We have LSU versus Kentucky. Marcus Randall to
Devrey Henderson the Bluegrass Miracle. This game has been requested
seventy four yard are as time expired year. This was

(01:45:01):
two thousand and two.

Speaker 7 (01:45:03):
I believe Nick Saban l s J You're the quarterback
was for Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Jared Lorenza, the.

Speaker 6 (01:45:10):
Big guy Billsbury throwboy Baby.

Speaker 5 (01:45:12):
He played for the Giants for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
Yeah, I loved him. He was so large in the
early two thousands.

Speaker 5 (01:45:18):
How much did he weighed? Like to seventy?

Speaker 7 (01:45:20):
And then he got when he was in the Arena League,
he got, he got got why he just did?

Speaker 6 (01:45:25):
He just got He played it like two eighty five.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
Day if Doug Doug flitting to you was like Jared
Lorenzen to me he.

Speaker 6 (01:45:33):
Was six four though I thought he was shorter.

Speaker 5 (01:45:35):
No, he's a big guy.

Speaker 6 (01:45:36):
Yeah, I was thinking he was like six to one. Yeah,
canon cannon for an arm? Do we want to I
don't want to do? Is I want to watch a
couple of these? Do we wanna just legend we got this?
We got this?

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
All right?

Speaker 6 (01:45:47):
What are we thinking? We we already saw the fake one?
Is that making the top five?

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
The infamous?

Speaker 6 (01:45:53):
Yeah? No, no it shouldn't done. Noakes, fake fake fake news,
fake news. I think you got So what's five?

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
First?

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
We got five?

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
We'll go five. We'll start at five.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
What do you thinking, Jackie?

Speaker 6 (01:46:07):
I think Rogers has got to be in here at
some point. I think I kind of feel like putting
one of the Rogers ones down here.

Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
For being a guy that probably is removed as ever
from like religion and like he's like a probably a
science guy.

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
Right, this guy has the most hail marys, you know
what I mean. It's crazy, so he's gotta be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
It's the mother guy.

Speaker 6 (01:46:31):
Yeah, what the the ayahuasca long? I don't know which
is cool, which is cool whatever?

Speaker 7 (01:46:38):
So which So they lost this Green Bay game, right, Yeah,
they end up losing that one, so.

Speaker 5 (01:46:43):
That they won the one against the.

Speaker 6 (01:46:48):
Motown.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
I feel bad because we're such a pro lions.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:46:52):
We like mc DC, we like Calvin, we we like Matthew.

Speaker 5 (01:46:57):
We also just like the motor City.

Speaker 6 (01:46:58):
We do baby like the right pizzas. Hate the turf though.

Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
Hate turf is hated.

Speaker 6 (01:47:04):
Hat like the Ford Museum.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
The largest music I think it's the large or is
it the Ford Museum there's I think the Fords own it,
but it's like the largest museum per capita in the world.
Like it's amazing. All right, So that one's in.

Speaker 6 (01:47:18):
We'll put that in number five.

Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
I feel like we got the Kyler Murray one is
a regular season It.

Speaker 6 (01:47:25):
Is a regular season yame. But it was very impressive. DeAndre, Like,
rarely do you see a hail mary where the guy
pretty much goes up and eye points it, which very true.

Speaker 4 (01:47:34):
DeAndre did DeAndre Hopkins. I mean after this, every like
it just shot out. He had the best hands in
the league.

Speaker 6 (01:47:41):
Also, hail it is.

Speaker 5 (01:47:43):
Hail Murray. We'll go through four three.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
So what do we got left.

Speaker 7 (01:47:49):
We've got BC, We've got the by U and the
Holiday Ball, and we got the Bluegrass Miracle.

Speaker 6 (01:47:55):
I like, I'm part I love a good I'm a
sucker for some SEC ball. Man. I kind of want
to put that at three. I can't think it could
be two, maybe even two. Honestly, that wasn't That wasn't
the year l SU won the title? Was it with
Nick saban Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
I think we got to go with b y U
s m U for three because they're both Christian schools.

Speaker 5 (01:48:21):
And this is a Christian play.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
Kind of I love that.

Speaker 6 (01:48:25):
I like that, get your rosary beads out.

Speaker 4 (01:48:29):
I don't think neither of those christianities use rosary beads.

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
Catholic, but I don't think SMB like Protestant or Son.

Speaker 6 (01:48:37):
I don't know, big time. No, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
The Holiday Bullet three.

Speaker 7 (01:48:41):
Holiday Bullet three now between the Bluegrass Miracle and the
hail Flutie one or two or he calls it the
miracle in Miami.

Speaker 6 (01:48:48):
I think you gotta put that number one. Flutie's got
to be one flies one for sure. One. We're giving
it to our Can we go with with give l
s u Number two?

Speaker 5 (01:48:55):
I think we may have to redo it.

Speaker 6 (01:48:57):
Yeah, we got a There are a lot more in
it because.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
Aaron's got two Hail Mary's, so he's got to be
probably number two.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
I don't know if it showed up in here, but
didn't he have a game where he had two Hail
Mary's in the same game.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
Aaron Rodgers has like the craziest like he has crazy
things about his career and like what his strengths are,
Like he's the best at using his cadence. We used
to have a Green Bay cadence named after Aaron Rodgers
where the guy jumps off side, we snap it so
you get the free play.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
How many times does he get that a lot?

Speaker 4 (01:49:26):
Yeah, he practices his cadence games, probably some of the
best of all time. Great cadence game, Double Him Mary.

Speaker 6 (01:49:33):
Yeah, it was in the same drive against Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
This is that Arizona Cardinals game. But they lost.

Speaker 6 (01:49:38):
Yeah, this is crazy. Yeah, that is pretty impressive.

Speaker 7 (01:49:41):
Our top five Hail Fluty, the Bluegrass Miracle, the Holiday
Ball by U s m U, Hail Murray, and then
the Miracle and Mode time. Please audience, tell us why
we're wrong Jewels.

Speaker 6 (01:49:52):
Can we do a quick I don't know that we
did it enough with jewels, But can you tell us
by the book what you're supposed to be doing on
a Hail Mary? Well, I don't know, No, I do
know suchingwise, I know it's a free for all.

Speaker 4 (01:50:06):
At some point you're trying to do for a last
play of the game situation. You're trying to get as
many guys as you can in the end zone, and
you create like a box or a triangle where there's
someone in the middle who is trying to get up
and high point the ball, like the example of DeAndre.

Speaker 5 (01:50:24):
Then you have either one or two guys.

Speaker 4 (01:50:26):
You have two guys in front of him, then you
have a guy behind him that are trying to play
the tips. Okay, you know sometimes it's a box where
you have but it's hard getting all the guys down there.

Speaker 5 (01:50:36):
But that's what you're trying to do.

Speaker 4 (01:50:38):
You're trying to get a box or a triangle with
a guy in the middle, so you can just try
to play the best possible situation out for deflex, the
guy who's in the middle is trying to high point.
If it doesn't, the other guys are trying to play ricochets.

Speaker 6 (01:50:52):
That makes sense. Is ain't Madden where you just click
four verticals and scam the fields.

Speaker 4 (01:50:58):
There's also like the counter hail Mary, which Doug was
kind of saying, Oh, we had the guy the tight
end on the back side, where you know those three
guys will be going up in one side and I
know this podcast is a terrible podcasting, but you know
you got three guys going here, and then the last second,
one of the guys goes to the back end to
try to create a one on one because they're all
they all know you're playing the box.

Speaker 5 (01:51:20):
So if you can get one guy like we'd have.

Speaker 4 (01:51:21):
A Gronk play or Gronk would go over there, so
you can get a matchup potentially one on one. Two
on one is better than having like five guys on
three over here.

Speaker 5 (01:51:32):
So there's that as well.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
But hail Mary, by definition is everyone getting the end zone.
Let's try to Let's try to play it.

Speaker 7 (01:51:40):
What was fun about this Bluegrass Miracle one is that
they were like fifteen yards short, yeah, and it got.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
Tip tipped up.

Speaker 4 (01:51:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
They were like snuck through and like split the defenders.

Speaker 5 (01:51:48):
And that was a real hair man. That's a great
one with That's number two.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
That's number two.

Speaker 5 (01:51:53):
I mean, rightfully, So, did.

Speaker 6 (01:51:54):
You ever attempt to hail Mary at Kent State?

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (01:51:58):
I was gonna say, I know, I know the King State,
and I don't remember any.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
I never did.

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
There's a couple at the end of games. I think
I've been involved in an end of game one. Actually no,
because you know, I feel you. I just feel like
I have because we've practiced the situation a million times
raditional football ready for it, so the next time it happens,
it's deja vu.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Well what a game.

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