The Tuna Bowl with Berj Najarian | Jets vs. Patriots - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Like who is more mysterious? You were Ernie Adams, I
don't know, you don't know. That's Bill can't. You can't
give me the Patriot technique. You can't just lean on
ask coach, can't. This is something we used to get
taught all the time. If you got flustered with the
question with the media, Bill would always say, just bring
it back to me.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Just just tell him to ask me, because they've already
asked already.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
They've already asked already. Today we have a very special guest.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Bill Belichick's right hand man.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
He's Bill Belichick's right hand.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Man, man of mystery. But anyone who played for the
Patriots new bearers.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
He knows where the buyser. Barry the guy who knows
where everything is, everything's up to, but you don't know
who he is.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
By design, No, by design everything to do with any
kind of operation.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Bears was there.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Former Patriots Director of Football Ops slash head coach administration,
Bears Nagerian.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
The coaches I've worked under, pat Riley, Bill Parcells, Jef
Van Gundy, Bill Belichick, Bill O'Bryan, Like, I'm doing all right?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
So are you the coach whisper? Are you the coach,
whisper or bears. Now we are going over the Tuna
Bowl Jets versus Patriots, Week three, nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
And this one has massive storylines. The year before Hatriots
Super Bowl loser, and this game was just off the
chartist hype due to a lot of circumstances center me
around the man they called Tuna.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
So what's the misconception of building you know?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
With Bill?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to
Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler,
and we are on a mission to find the greatest
game of all time. This is another Games with Names
Boston edition episode. Feels great to be back in the
town back baby. It's always great to be back in

(01:45):
this town. I act like the Bay back baby baby.
Where anytime I come back here, I live in La now,
and when I go on a trip or something, I
go back to LA. It's starting to feel home, you know.
I with my new routine everything, but anytime I come
back to Boston, I go to my condo or my place.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
This feels like home. It's home.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
So many great memories, so many unbelievable people that I've
met that have been pivotal parts of my life and career.
It's just great to be back. And today we are
covering the Tuna Bowl from Week three of the nineteen
ninety seven season with former Patriots Director of Football Ops

(02:32):
Slash head Coach Administration Slash instagram Sifting and current chief
of staff for Boston College Football Bears, Nigerian Man of Mystery,
Man of mystery. But we all anyone who played for
the Patriots New Bears. He was like, he was kind
of like, who's the sidekick to the principal system principle?

(02:56):
He's kind of assistant principle, not really because he didn't
have that one.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
When people ask him, I'm saying, he knows where the
buyers are buried. He's the guy who knows where everything is.
Everything's up to that's ugged in, but you don't know
who he is.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
By design, it's a big at.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
He's a buffer. He's the buffer.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
He's seen a lot of thing. You've seen a lot
of stuff go down, seeing a lot of great football,
been part of a lot of great football, built dynasties.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
With Bills just texted me that he's Smithers.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
I was just gonna say is that a mister Burne
Smithers tye.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, but he's cooler than Smithers.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Could be.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
That's a good that's a good little uh across the
the way from ol the Soft.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Swiss Soft don't miss baby.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yeah, great interview.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
That's a great interview. This is an insane interview. We
get into talking about being Bill Belichick's right hand man.
Still Is I think still Is kind of feels like
it even though he works for Billy Oh and he's
Billy O's right here man at Boston College. The drama
between Parcels and the Patriots back in the day.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
A lot of drama, A lot.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Of drama, jumping ship, bad blood, rematch, revenge, Hatesvitz Jets,
Pattatriots Jets, full soap opera, and all the behind the
scenes things.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
It took to build a dynasty.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
A lot of hard work, a lot of hard work,
and a lot of people, not just the team, not
just the coaches, but the people like the people like Bears.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
And then we get into wrapping it up with the
old hot line.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
Love it got some good calls this week. Let's go
get in.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Come on September fourteenth, nineteen ninety seven, Foxboro Stadium, Foxboro, Massachusetts.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Bill Parcells returns to New England for the first time
after leading to them to a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
But this Sunday night soap opera won't be settled in regulation.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
This is the tune.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
That was awesome. Welcome to Games with Names.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
And today we have a very special guest. We have
Bears Nigerian joining us here in the nuthouse, Boston version,
Boston version. Welcome to the studio, Jewels, great to be here.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Unbelievable. Is it unbelievable? Yeah? It is. I mean we're
together hours and hours and years in like a hallway
or an office or a locker room or field, and
that we're sitting in here in your studio, on your set.
This is my house. This isn't a studio or a set.
This is this.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
We do this in the real places that we live
because we want real conversations. And I just hope that
the world gets a real conversation from the Bears, the myth,
the man.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
The legend.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Now we are going over the tunabwl Woo Jets versus Patriots,
Week three, nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Why this game, Bears, This is a big game man
for so many reasons. It's a huge game. You know,
this game, this is one of the most hype games ever,
every regular season games, I swear like regular season games
to that point. It's one of the most hype games ever.
And I was I was actually part of it. I

(06:19):
think most people by this point might think of me
as a Patriot, as they should twenty four.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Years as Robert Craff said, we are all Patriots.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
We are for sure. But before I was a Patriot,
I was a jet And that was actually a jet
Week three, nineteen ninety seven for the Tuna Bowl, and
this game was just off the charts hype due to
a lot of circumstances center around the man they called
Tuna Bill Parcells. Yeah, there are numerous players, great players,

(06:51):
Patriot Hall of famers, Pro Football Hall of famers, in
this game. There was this There was a lot of
emotion going into this game and during this game before
a lot of other things happened in the years to come,
but this is really a milestone event before social media. Nowadays,
social media is what hypes games, right, Twitter, Instagram, all

(07:15):
these things. There's social media and it's off the charts.
But then there was no social media. There was barely
on the internet. It's barely on the internet in nineteen
ninety seven. So games were hyped by splashy headlines and
newspapers and sports talk radio, which were live in humming
in New York and Boston at the time.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Humming, Yeah, is this the greatest game of all time?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Bears, No, it's not the greatest of all time. I
can't say that. I can't say it. I'm just saying that.
It's a lot of guests. Yeah, I mean I can't.
I can't sit here and break down a bunch of
plays and do exces, and but I can do themes
and storylines, and this one has massive storylines. The year before,

(07:56):
Patriots Super Bowl loser is Tuna in Is He's out.
He's out, and there's a lot of fallout that came
with that. As people know the men's beloved in New York.
He was beloved here as Patriots coach, went to the
Super Bowl. But then he leaves and it's not all good.

(08:18):
There's some venom toward him. There's a lot of hype
in the media and week three, here we are the
next season, the very next season, coming off of Super
Bowl year, the Jets are coming off of a one
in fifteen season. But there's a lot of excitement, optimism
with the rival of Bill Parcells and his staff and

(08:40):
the people in Foxboro. Man, you know, like they were
ready for this game, a night game. There weren't that
many night games in Foxborough leading up to that. I
don't know how many, but I don't think there were
a lot of night games even in that stadium. And
the fans were ready to go, ready to go, fueled up,
egging busses like not one or two, I mean like

(09:01):
egging buses.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
This is back when fans could be fans. This is
back when fans could be fans. Jack Eggs on the bus.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
It is in Jellette either, this is in Jellette. It
was old Boxborough st sixty thousand plus.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Sixty thousand plus right, I'm.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Going back and watching this tape. There was a world,
it felt like a bizarro world where the NFL Sunday
Night Football was on TNT TNT and Craig Sager was
on the sidelines of a football game and Vern Lndquist
was up in the booth for T and T with
Mark Man.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
It was wild.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
It was a ninety seven football I love it.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
This is when football was football. All Right, we'll dive
into that bear.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
We'll get back to the game. But it is a
cool game. Oh, it's amazing. We're gonna get to the game. Okay,
We're gonna get to the game, because that's kind of
why we're here, right, No, that we're here to talk
about this game.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
All the reason why we're here.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
All the reasons. But what's life looking like for you
right now? Good? It's going great. You know at Boston
college's been there like four months now. It's very interesting.
Let's say some things are very similar, you know, like
football's football, and if you walk into a Bill O'Brien
team meeting or Bill O'Brien staff meeting, you're hearing a
lot of Bill Belichick themes, philosophies, but with a different

(10:17):
with a different twist. They have very different personalities for sure,
but at its core there's some similarities there. But b
C is a great place. He knows what he's doing
and it'll be it's good to be at a place
with an identity. BC has an identity, knows what it's
what it is that education and building the whole person

(10:39):
and playing good football given to the community and like
that's what he's about. It's a great fit with him.
It's a great fit with me to be with him,
because you know, I know the guy so well. Great
think about this I've been and we go back to it.
But the coaches I've worked under, and we can go
back to the next, pat Riley, Bill Parcells, well, Jeff

(10:59):
fun Jeff Fan Gundy. I think Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick,
Bill O'Brien, like, I'm doing all right?

Speaker 1 (11:05):
So are you the coach whisper Are you the coach
whisperer bears?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, No, I wouldn't say that. I'm just just trying
to help out man.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Like who is more mysterious?

Speaker 5 (11:15):
You were?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Ernie Adams, I don't know. I don't know. You know,
you don't know that's Bill or Bill. Oh you can't.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
You can't give me the patriot technique. You can't just
lean on ask coach.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Can't.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
This is something we used to get taught all the time.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
If you got flustered with the question with the media,
Bill would always say, just bring it back to me.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Just just tell him to ask me, because they've already
asked already.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
They've already asked already.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
No, I don't know. I mean maybe I am a
little bit. I don't go out there. I mean maybe
other than now and talk about myself and what I
do is the people. No one knows.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
And that's why we wanted to bring you in here
because it's it's like it's because of people like you
that people outside the building don't really realize how much
of a team sport winning in an organization is. It's
not just about the players and the coaches. It's about
the people, the operations and people. It's about the facility people.
It's about the equipment, equipment for sure, it's about the

(12:12):
training staff. And that's what we want to have you
on here. Can you tell the people what your role
was with the Patriots?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
I mean there are a lot of specifical what was
the actual title? And then we can get in what
your role it was kind of lengthy director of football
slash head coach administration. Okay, you know what that means.
It means that I help him. What it doesn't mean
is I don't coach players.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I never coached you, never talked to you about your
technique or a route or whatever defense. So I don't
do that. We can eliminate that I don't do. I
don't do treatments on players.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
But mental treatment. You gave me mental treatment barriers when
I needed it. Sometimes I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Keep going. But you know, he's involved. He is responsible
for a lot of stuff, a lot like Honestly, I
think about sometimes, like who in the NFL, other than
maybe the commissioner, like handle more than him. You know,
every contract, every play, every higher and every whatever. Dealing

(13:11):
with lots of things. So when he was at Cleveland,
I think he took you know, all that on himself,
like everything, and then when he realized second time around,
like he doesn't need to do all that, like give
all that's a lot of that to somebody else to
handle all the other shit, as he put it, So

(13:32):
stuff that's important, you know, all the operational things, like
you know, making sure travel is right the way he
wants it, making sure you know, everybody's on the same
page with whatever the schedule or how we're going to
handle some event that's coming up, or what's really important
at the Patriots organization is as good as it is
on the field, it's very sophisticated and accomplished off the

(13:57):
field with business things and sponsorships and pr and all
those things. Like it's elite, so the football team has
a part in that. So I was kind of the
go between and a lot of those things like fulfilling
obligation to a corporate partner and we need players you've
been in allow all those things. So a lot of
that would go through me, and he don't want to

(14:17):
really deal with that stuff, but we got to make
it happen. We got to make it work. So like
picking an event that you did through the club, and
I was probably involved in it somewhere along the line.
You know a lot of things with access to the team,
which is very important, you know, showing behind the scenes
things which we didn't do every day, but we did
a fair amount over the years. Like we did like

(14:39):
that's got to go through somebody between me and Stacy James,
and you know, we would get in there, we'd see
the footage and I, let's use this, that looks good whatever,
and like that's like a weekly basis during the season.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
So you feel you had a lot of hats, Yeah,
you had a lot.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Of hats, which is blig lessing for me because it
allowed me to interact with a lot of people a lot.
I mean, I wasn't like just doing sitting at my
desk doing one thing. I was working with everybody.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, and he was. Bears was with everyone. He was
in every meeting. He was the first person you saw
when you walk through the door because his office was
at the entrance, and you know, you would see Bears.
He probably just came in from his seventeen mile run
in the morning.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Always running. The guy's in elite shape.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
And then he'd be handing out red scheduled like everything
to do with any kind of operation, Bears was there.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Now. Can you what was like the most taxing day
for you for work? Yeah? What was it like? Because
you know, like Tuesday's players day off.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Our Thursday was always an elite tax day for the
player because it was third down. It was our last
day of practice. Fast Fridays the next day you travel
on Saturday. What was your most taxing day that you
like had to use all that brain power.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Definitely Monday and tuesdays during the season for sure. Probably Monday,
because you know, you come in and I like to
watch the game, the TV copy of the game. Like
by the end of Monday, I'd like to have watched
that just to kind of see, you know, what the
world is seeing. You know what's me? Is it a
signed or you did that on personal You know, with

(16:29):
Bill over the years, there are a lot of things
that were assigned that he expected and he asked for.
But there are also things that I just kind of
did that and gave you worked proactively, not reactively. A
lot of times I did.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
And Sam, you hear that, Sam, see you around corners,
Sam Man.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
So I would you know, out of watching the game,
maybe I would say hey, Bill or write it down
and it to him. A few things that came out
of that. You know, Okay, that's good for him to know.
Then he wouldn't have otherwise known like what, here's what,
here's something the announcers said that their coaches said about us.

(17:15):
You know, we won the football.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Look you say something to the media, I'll fucking tell you
the game plan.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
You know what, Sometimes they do sometimes they do they
or if you build it over the course of a
whole season, going back to training camp, like you know
a lot of guys are open, so you know it's
not like the entire game plan and you know, one comment,
but over the course of like ten games, you might
get some themes which everything's logged. Yeah. Sure, you know,

(17:45):
if we won, if we won a ball game, which
you know, we won a lot of ball games, they're
gonna be game ball winners. They're gonna be quotes on
the they're gonna be I do know. No, I don't
game I take that. No, I didn't say I gave
game balls. But game ball winners get pictures on a wall. Okay, pictures,
so not it's not all me, but it starts with

(18:05):
the photographers that Dave Silverman's and those guys, and you
know right there, like they take thousands of photos during
a game. Well those kind of get filtered down.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Filter, you filter them every you go through every photo.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
And now our stuff, I might go through like sixty
to get to the twenty two or so that we
put up, you know what I mean. And for the
so you know, sometimes there was some backlash on that,
like where's my picture?

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I used to get this all the time for the listener.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
You know, you'd walk in every week after a victory
and we'd have highlighted pictures throughout the facility of that
week's game. A big play moment, a big block, a
big touchdown, the lineman celebrating in the end zone, something
that you know, basically showed what we did in that

(18:52):
week's game. And you know, you walk in and we
all knew.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Bears picked the photos. We all knew Bears picked the photos.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
There's there's a line of guys, but Bears was a
lead and sometimes you know, you go in there like
for US players to have your picture on the wall,
At least for me, I loved it, like you wanted
to go in. That means they recognized you or what
you did in the game as something of some importance.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
And that's all we were trying.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
To do there is just try to get a little
something nice out of you know coach, you know, because
he was very stickler. He was hard on you, but
he needed that. But that was his way of showing appreciation.
So Bears was at the forefront of that. So if
you know, you go in after a game and you
look at it. I'd walk through all every hall, I'd
walk through every hall, I see, I bet Bears, where

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the fu's my photo?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Right? Did you have? Were there any other guys like
that or a lot of times it was you get
it from Andrew. Sometimes old lineman. You know they oh god,
they but a lot of times, you know you think
that old lineman like they don't really want that right,
but you know some of them did. But it wasn't
just the photos too. We had a we had an
award called Hatred of the Week, which wasn't necessarily the

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guy who scored it, winning touchdown or made you know,
interceptions or whatever. It was a guy who overcame some
adversity or did something extra, like more of a you know,
great teammate type of one award, and there would be
a little comment or a little blurb on you know
what it was. He dealt with an injury, or he
played like six positions and you know, in the game,
or it was ready to go, or had you know,

(20:22):
some family situation, and so that would be a decision.
There's also like that that big portrait on the wall
that there would be the score of the game, the opponent,
and then a little a little one liner there. It
might follow up something that he talked about during the week.
Are you coming up through all those ones? Are you
are you? I would well, in the end, in the

(20:43):
end he would look at it, but I would like
that would be part of Monday, think about, right, what
are we gonna do? And you know, give it to
him And most of them were like, yeah, that's good.
Or sometimes I won't say say this too. That was
a press conference, is a team meeting? You know, I
would a lot of times give him a thoughts on
things to say to the team. You know, something was

(21:03):
handled well. Or here's something we talked about last week,
and maybe you didn't really remember exactly what it was,
but here are the three things we said. All right.
Here they were we talked about this, it happened, talk
about this didn't happen. You know, Wow, how many hours
do you think you put in a week?

Speaker 5 (21:19):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I don't know, man, I don't know. You know, early
in my career I was, uh, I was kind of
paranoid about leaving, like you don't want to leave, you
don't want to leave. But later on I got you know,
I got kids and whatever I would leave, I mean,
I don't know. Like, so it's too by the day,
like every morning I'm in by whatever six or something

(21:42):
like that, go for a run and then whenever that
then we go. Mondays leave around eight thirty Tuesdays leave
around eight thirty nine. Wednesdays, eight thirty Thursdays somewhere in there,
and then Friday Friday. It's like five or so so
total a of them. Whatever that is, I don't know.
It's a lot of hours hours. Tell you what, though,
there wasn't a day, not one day twenty four years

(22:04):
driving up to that place was and I thought, no,
I don't want to be here today. That never happened, Jesus.
I used to think that everything after we doubt that.
After weeked, I doubt that, well after week eight. It hurts.
I'm sitting there. What the fuck am I thinking about?
You're still the first guy in somehow.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
So Scarnakio was. I tried to beat the rookie my
rookie year. I beat him once. He was like three
forty five. I just wanted to see if I could
beat Scarnakia.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
He was probably got it in at three forty didn't
he get in like four or something. He's probably stick
that day.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Bears, What was your most obscure task?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
The most obscure task? I mean, Bill had some needs
on a road now, like he wants his office. Like
it's not like on the road, like we don't just
go to a hotel. I think some teams, like they
go on the road, they show up, they might meet,
they might not. They go out to dinner, go to bed,
get up and go play. It's not like that at

(23:01):
the Patriot. No, you know, you get there and then
we're like scrambling at the hotel to recreate our offices
at Gillette Stadium, especially if it's not a one night stay,
for the two nights stay or a week long stay.
Like you're in your office, like you have the ball
you have a ballroom where it's chopped up, and then
there are different spots in the hotel that you turn

(23:22):
into an office. So Bill's office has got to be
like it's got to be detailed, obviously, the work space,
the screen, the treadmill, the place to hang closed, the
iced tea. The So Bill's not a coffee Guy's a
nice tea guy. Right, Bill's not a coffee guy at all,
thinks iced tea? Yeah sweet, it's unsweetened lemon. You know.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
So you're telling me Bill is not just sitting in
the corner at the little desk with the with the
Bible and the little pad like doing his work there.
Not at all.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
No, no, no, you might not even get to that
you might even get to that room until you know,
four hours after we arrive, you know, after going meeting
with the media, work meeting with the staff, meet with
the coaches, and meet with the scouts after that, and
then and then eventually get to the room.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, like people don't like we'd all have like a
two hour like hour break before meetings started or treatment started.
When you get to the the hotel of the away
game and you know, we'd have some time downtime where
we can go change, get out of the suit because
you had to wear a suit during travel. Bill had
be in that goddamn suit until about ten thirty at night.

(24:33):
Oh boy, lose tige and all.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
You know, his feet had to hurt. Man. You know
what's it? Didn't you guys use to have weight challenges
we did. That was pretty good. That was at the Jets.
That was that started at the Jets at least. Yeah,
everybody had had a goal. This was serious too. There
was the contracts involved. There were there were sabotage. There,
there was sabotage. There would be like and Bill did this,

(24:59):
uh he would put it was like maybe six or
seven of us, like you know, trying to lose different
amounts away Like I wasn't trying to lose that much,
but whatever, but I was in it. But he would
put he would put like a slice of pizza in
someone's desk drawer or some cookies in there. The you
know when the weigh ins are about to come up,
and there were penalties about it if you try to

(25:20):
tamper with a scale, which that happened. This was prey Dope,
pre dayball. This was this was Mike, Mike Tannemoum, Scott Pioli,
Charlie Weiss, Eric Mannging, and Charlie Weiss. Actually he had
he had like a serious I don't know if actually

(25:40):
how serious a condition was. He had like a really
uncontrollable like nosebleed one day like right before away in
and like they wouldn't let him out of the beat,
like they would have let him out man, Contracts and
contract right, it turned into a big deal like Tagli
But it works, man, it worked, Yeah, yeah, it worked. Man.

(26:06):
Everyone made their weights. So I mean, well, not not
very healthy, but healthy competition.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Can you take us through a game day? What do
you what's your what's your process? What do you think?
What are you doing on game day. Are you going
there to the facility to check the game clocks and
report to Bill like eight the wins this? Or are
you just straight getting the team right and what are
you doing on the game day.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah, it varies different things, Like I've I would always
I would be the one to submit the inactive form,
you know, like the players, and you know a lot
of weeks there's like so there's six or seven depending
on what it is now, but six or seven players
who are on the active roster who are not active
for the game. So that's that's to get submitted to
the league. And there's some other information you got to
put on there too, But the inactive form is important

(26:51):
and a lot of times it comes down the last second,
like is this guy healthy enough to play? Is he not?
He's going through a workout, and it could go up
to like ten minutes left. I remember, hey, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Do you remember do you remember the when I had
a broken when I broke my arm and it was
my rookie year and I was like, I got a
surgery and I was like maybe fourteen days out of surgery,
and I'm leaving on Friday to go to my house
because I just started practicing in that second week, and

(27:22):
as I'm leaving Bars was the guy that would stop you. Hey,
coach wants to talk to you. What do you mean
coach wanst talk to me. Yeah, but my going you
might have to go get your suit, remember that. Yeah,
I had to go get my suit.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
You know, he goes.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
I think Bill wants you to travel because it'll be
good for uh, you know, uh just matchup looks. People
will just to see you travel. I'm like, all right, cool, awesome,
all right, I'll go get my suit travel. And then
I did the game day workout. Yeah, and on game day,
I'm sitting there the night before, me and Slate actually
we shared a room on the road early in our career.

(27:58):
I'm sitting there like, I don't know if I could
do this, Slate, I don't know I could do this.
This is fucking terrible. Sunday night football. Was it Sunday
night and Monday night?

Speaker 2 (28:05):
I think it was a Sunday Sunday night, Yeah, Sunday.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
So I go, I go to bed terrified. Wake up
the next morning. I wake up Slate, I'm like, it
Sunday night football.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
I'm going I'm gonna go.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
So I do my workout. I mean I haven't. I
just broke my arm and I'm doing workout before the thing.
I'm like, yeah, Coach, I think it's gonna be all right.
He's like, all right, puts me in first touchdown. You
were the first one to let me know.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
There you go. See, I got I got more fun
facts for you Sunday, say too, we'll get to what
do you got. I got a fun facts for you,
which that relates to game day. So you asked, you know,
one of the things I do, I talk about access, right, Like,
so every every team has people that work with NFL Films,

(28:51):
right and and NFL Films is has the right to
mike players up right, got some good ones here, don't we.
So you know that goes through Stacey James. It goes
through me, like who are going to make up? Here's
who we want who? You know, team has a little
bit of influence on who it can be and maybe

(29:11):
we should stay away. Some guys don't like to be miked.
And then afterward, you know, is a process of whatever
whatever they put out there, whatever footage they have. Well,
in the history of the National Football League, someone has
the most postseason miked up games the most postseason miked

(29:32):
up games in the history of the National Football League.
Tom Brady, my homes Kelsey, I'm into this stuff and
I happened to be involved eleven for number eleven? What
about that? Good guess this guy right here, let's go

(29:54):
whose house? I'm sitting in more postseason wires than anyone
else in the history of the National Football How about that?

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Hell? Yes?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Now? Why a good question? Well, you know, like I said,
there's a process. We were undefeated for a while. We
were until the last one. We were you know, there's
something that we're overly superstitious. But you know, it's going
pretty good there for a while. Did it performed a
lot of great plays in there, game winning plays, you know,

(30:25):
entertainment value. They wouldn't they wouldn't keep asking unless it
was good, you know, good material, some good material on there.
So he kept asking. We kept saying, Yes, that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
There's incredible quotes doing there.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I appreciate incredible. Now, Bears, you had to sift through
all the footage. I love you Bill, I love you
Bill on there on the stage. Yeah, you're too old.
There's a couple of them. I do love Bill, I
got it. I caught it.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
We're huge fans of NFL films here. What is the
process like after the fact? So are you reviewing the footage?
They send it all the miked up? How does that?

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I mean, there's a is a great trust with those guys,
like they're not out to ever make anyone look bad.
So pretty much what they what they want is what
it is there. But there are times like, eh, there's
something going on that maybe you don't know about that,
maybe we would rather not having there, so they'll, you know,
they'll generally work with some. I mean, I don't know

(31:20):
if you've ever and all those eleven wires, it's a
lot of a lot of footage. Ever been anything? Has
ever been anything that you like? Maybe there are some
I don't know, but nothing nothing that we thought was
so egregious that we've demanded nothing that was public.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
But I remember one of the super Bowl parties, okay,
remember we had they had like the there's a PG
version and then there's like a rated R version. Okay,
remember one of the super Bowl parties we had like
the rated R ship of Yeah, that was there's some
stuff there that I was like, I wouldn't have gone
well if it.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Went public, Well it didn't. So yeah, so see another way,
we're connected. We are connected, man, connected.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Now, what's the biggest misconception of Bill Belichick?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, seeh I butter you up, Butter you up. Eventually
we're going to get to the sign on the door.
You know, Yeah, speak your job, speak for yourself, Speak
for yourself. That's on the way out. You know. Can
you my last day there, when I left, my last
day there, I saw I saw on the door. Speak
for yourself. I'm gonna remember that today for the rest

(32:29):
of this conversation. But anyway, nor the noise, the hype,
manage the expectations. Speak for yourself. That's on the way out.
What's on the way in. Do your job, work hard,
be attentive, and put the team first. Put the team first.
I mean, come on, man, this is this is the
way of life. Man. This isn't like mottos and slogans.

(32:52):
It's not. So what's the misconception of building? How many
times he said uh F and Foxborough Hi? I mean
I was in every meeting for twenty years. For twenty years,
maybe he said it every day on the field or
in privately. I wasn't there, so I didn't hear it.
Like the amount of times I hear, you know, I

(33:12):
could get someone from Foxboro. He didn't say it that
many times. He did not say it that many times.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
It makes it be twice a year if it happened
to maybe maybe twice a year.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Okay, you out of one hundred meetings.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Some guy making eight, ten, fifteen million dollars sitting there
watching film and he hears that, he's gonna remember that.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
So it may have only been twice a year.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
But if you were on the team for six years, Okay,
you know, I'm not a math guy, but that's twelve times.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
But not all directed at you.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
No, but you hear Foxborough High, it's because it's gonna
stick out because they can't execute a snap.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
It wasn't because you know, you know, couldn't make a
play in triple coverage. He couldn't you do a snap
or two yard past. So that's the biggest misconception, is
Foxborough High. That's the biggest misconception. But that's a everyone here, guys.
Foxborough High never happened because no, no, no, no, I
didn't say never. It's not as much as people think

(34:09):
I don't know what else about Bill. He's funny. I mean,
I think that's starting to come out. A very funny
guy sometimes like he's not trying and you you know,
you try to suppress the laughter, but he can be
very funny. Well.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
His his way of getting at you is through like
statistics and numbers, like and his knowledge of the game.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
He'll sit there.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
And he'll prove a point by bringing back an all
time great that he coached, and he'll give out the
actual number of snaps, the number of plays that you've done,
and you know.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
This is what this? Did you know?

Speaker 1 (34:46):
That's his way of getting But it's kind of like
you're sitting there like that's kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Another one i'd say, you know, and not that he
doesn't get after players. He gets after players and staph.
For sure, there's you know, there's yelling, but it's not
like it's not all the time in your face. To me,
it's not that you're trying to avoid that. You're trying
to avoid the like the most slight expression like you
screwed something up and you're gonna get like that's all.

(35:14):
Did you see that? I don't if you even noticed that.
I saw that one. You know, it's not like it's
not in your face, like that's a parcels fear like
that could happen. But with Bill's more of those types
of things that you're trying to avoid.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
It's kind of like disappointing your father.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, you don't want to disappoint the guy.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
He was like, he didn't have to say anything. Is
or the way he hit the Remember he hit the
podium so hard. He hit that podium hard because I
was right there. Yeah, I was, guy's got some cowbos hands.
You guys, did you watch the roast?

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Was that the roast? Yeah? This is a yeah, I was,
I was there. That was that was something else that
the whole thing. Man, I went with Billy out we
had we were actually out there. We were out there
because there was some Boston College alumni events we were
out there for, which is awesome, and it just so
happened to coincide. So we went the whole thing. Just

(36:09):
walking into the forum starting with that, like that's pretty cool,
just knowing the history and all the stars and everything,
the photos on the walls and stuff, and then you
go in and it's like this you know high and
you know extravagant event and then like, okay, this is nice.
Lots of people around and here we go, lots of laughs.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
It feel weird going to the Patriot roast, the Tom
Brady roast, whatever the roast was with Billy O as
a BC guy. Uh well, you guys, you guys were
both in it, so you guys felt.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, yeah, we're close enough to it. I didn't. I didn't.
I felt, you know, more inside than outside on that
just because all the people and yeah, you know, but
a lot of laughs and a lot of moments like
I did that, like several times, there's as our table.
I don't know how this came about, as me Billy,

(37:05):
Michael Crabtree and Charles Woodson and one of their guys like,
that's our table. And then at the next table, Kim
Kardashian and her crew. You probably know that. You probably
know right next to come on, right, it's army and
let's see army. And right there.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
I did.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
I was going to after, but she went the other way. Whatever.
I mean, well, who knows. Next time? Next time I
went and saw Andrew Schultz instead. He was nicky Lazer,
was very funny, really good. No, there's like professional athletes.
You know, people think I could do that. I did

(37:48):
that in high school. I could you know, I could
have done that. These comedians and you can't do that.
You're not a profession you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
These comedians like they there, that's their that's their environment,
that's the mojo.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
But after seeing Bill for all these years and knowing
Bill for all these years, how do you think Bill
did up there?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Right? I mean I was happy that people got to
see that. Oh yeah, because we see that and we
know that, and I mean I was happy he got
out basically alive. You know, he took some shots, he
took some shots, but you know, it was like arapeutic.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
It was like a big therapy session.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I was just wondering, like I was wondering as like,
hopefully this stuff isn't going to carry over, like that
was what happened at the roast. Days at the roast,
and now we move on, like or is the bar
changed as the standard changed? Oh what do you think?
Twenty twenty four?

Speaker 1 (38:41):
It's fucking there is no bar, no bar, no bar, bears,
I like bars.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Before we move on from the roast, you just mentioned
earlier that some of Belichick's humor was in like stats.
He gave Amandola one at the roast.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
That was good. Well, you know a little back and
forth there, there is, there's some back and forth so
which maybe goes back to something that you know about.
I don't know, you just sit back and forth, back
and forth.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
So when when someone goes and says something about Bill,
who's the person that brings the information to Bill that
someone said something about Bill?

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Listen, I'm not I don't know what happens outside of me.
Sometimes it's me sometimes probably other people sometimes, like you know,
I keep them informed even now I might shoot him
an email, but I just you know, you know, it's
ingrained in me.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, you gotta kiss the rings as a godfather.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
It's a relationship.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Now, well segue to you dipped into it being it's
a way of life, a patriot. It's a way of life.
What does the patriot way mean to you? Bear? What
is this is a hard big jay journalism?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
I know it's not it's not a term, you know,
it's not really a term that was used in the building, right. Yeah.
For me, it's like never thinking that you're there, never
thinking you're even good enough. You always do more like
you could be there however long you want and had
a good day, but there's well I could do all
these other things, you know, and we'll get to that

(40:11):
the next day. Always chasing something I don't. I can't
really name any of the real champion, true patriots that
cared about credit, you know. No, it was not only
just things about like we have to do this, this
and this, but it's also like, well, we don't need
to do all these other things, you know, like let's
focus on what matters, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, I always tell everyone that, you know, like what
everyone in his ass I go. I don't know, Like
it was accountability, dependability. It was almost being afraid to
be the guy totally.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, that fucks up. Yeah, because you didn't want to a.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Let your teammates down, your coaches down, be be embarrassed
about it, right because everyone's putting in the effort, you know.
And I always tell everyone else. So you know, Bill
had a template and he had his rules, and he
didn't really necessarily enforce them. It was the leaders on
the team that enforced the laws. So like he was

(41:13):
Congress and the leaders were fucking the sheriffs out there.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
We don't make the laws, yeah, we enforce them for them.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
So who would bears be in this in this analogy, I.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Think bears would probably I don't know government terms very well,
but where would you be, Bears?

Speaker 2 (41:33):
I'd probably helped make some laws for him and a
team and the lobbyist. Not really, that's not my nature anyway.
I make a suggestion and back it up with something.
They will always listen to anything you have it backed
up with something.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
I tell that to everyone too. Yeah, everyone thinks this
whole collaborative narrative. Bill will take information from anyone. But
if you give him information it's fucked up information. You're
probably gonna be in the god doghouse. You don't want
to be in that goddamn doghouse. That dog house is
about seventeen miles away.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I help pass some legislation. I also help enforce it,
like with support staff, because all the things you just
said about. Don't want to be the one, don't want
to be the weak link, don't want to be the
one to say I fucked that up, which everybody says sometimes.
Like that applies to the support staff too, because we're
all in it together. Like, yeah, it's a massive organization,
big billion dollar business. But in the end, everyone's on

(42:31):
top of each other all the time. Like it's very close,
you know everybody, so you see what they do. There's
no hiding. Yeah, especially in a football locker room. Man,
you guys can sense things quickly. What do you mean?
Like what like, no one who's legit, no one who
we can count on.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Given stories of any guys coming up to you saying,
suggesting or seeing one of these scenarios of being in
the locker room where guys can just sniff the fear
out of someone.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Right. No, I don't have a specific story on that.
I just know that you guys are very in tune
to just human nature and and people were also as
I say, and you can tell through the sense of
humor too, like it comes out you know what. We're
in tune too.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
We're in tune to knowing that anytime we posted anything
on the internet that we could be getting a call
or a knock or a hey, coach will see you,
or hey, why don't you come over here?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Okay, that's true. Now can you take that's true?

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Can you take us through the social media scanning process
that we had in the.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I didn't get on to social media until like recently,
the last couple of years. I started Instagram. So I
wasn't like, I'm not that I'm not out there like
scanning the internet. Yeah I can do that, but I'm
like scanning. I'm not scanning Twitter. Other people are well
versed in that, so it comes it comes to Bill is.
Bill is famous for saying I could just be sitting
at my office mining my own business and stuff comes

(43:59):
to me. That happened a lot of times with social
media stuff too, where it would just come to me
because every everyone knows we want to know, so if
they see it, it comes. Let me ask you this though,
like how many times did you not post something that
you wanted to post constantly? Okay?

Speaker 4 (44:16):
My team, yeah, okay, we lived in fear for ten
years about that. Can we do this, Let's word this
this way, let's do this. You never want to get
jewels to get the knock because if he got the knock,
we got the knock.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Okay, and so how did it all turn out? We did? Okay?
Could have been better, couldn't. We're always chasing man, So
that's what that's what the next chapter is for.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
He was in talking about this, like scanning for social
media what players can get do? Was there a level
of like earning it too? Because we noticed as jewels
kind of got along, the leash got a little bit
longer for jewels.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
For Devin, you know.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
For.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Post a lot. Yeah, he did a post a lot
maybe his last year or so, but posted about a lot, right,
that's different, man.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
You know you're doing it right.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Control what you can control. Yeah, some guys did get
more leash, but most No, you remember the posts that
we because guys were talking about it.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
When I told the story about Bill being in the
hot tub?

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Oh yeah, did he ever come up to you?

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Did?

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Did he hear this story? Ever?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Has Bill heard of any of our stories?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I mean I can't I honestly I can't remember that
exact reaction. I'm sure it went something like, what the fuck? Yes,
there's no way he absolutely knows that story, right, No
question that one didn't slip through. Come on, what are
we doing?

Speaker 5 (45:44):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
There's a fucking rule. We can't go Nuncle Berry in
the goddamn hoteb. I don't care if no one's in there. Yeah,
I don't disagree.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
How has that changed over time? Though, like has he got?
He's clearly got and a little looser.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Right with the whole. Maybe shouldn't have snapface. You know
Bill's you know, I bet you never thought you'd see
Bill in the media, right, No, wouldn't it be great
if he got on social media at some point snap

(46:22):
face just asking is he's signing a deal with Snapchat?

Speaker 4 (46:27):
I don't know he's launch snap face right right, No, No,
he's gonna guys, he's gonna own it.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Check from bears is joining only fans for content, exclusive
coaching technique content with his toes dangly now stop it
cut that out.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Serious note by the way, like only fans, it has
one part of it, but also other stuff. If just posted,
if Bill was not only fans, just posted old game
plans of old games, it would blow up everything and
be incredible, just purely for the.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Football junkies, that's the question. But anyway, where were we
the threshold of show yeah stuff, No, no, no, no,
it was the threshold of him loosening up, which I
think he did. Yeah, maybe we shouldn't have.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Was there one specific time anyone did something super crazy
on social that you could specifically remember him Bill, Like
what the fuck are we doing?

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Her bears? Can you go get remember? Uh you remember them? Remembers?

Speaker 5 (47:39):
Do I love? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Good great guy, great guy, fun guy, you know, good player.
Well one it was off season, of course, because you
know most things happened in the off season. He h.
He posted him shooting shooting guns in the backyard, like
the backyard, not a range or like the backyard, just
there's a target there, Like, yeah, that's not what we're

(48:02):
looking for. The coin of phrase, like it's not what
we're looking for. But he didn't. Only Matt posted that. No,
this is like you you said, this is a good
idea to go post. Yea one didn't go well that
that was a that was a letter in a conduct detrimental.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Conduct detrimental. You know what conduct detrimental is. That's that's
that's more.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
That's the more serious offense. That's a serious offense. So
there are different types of categories of discipline. There's being
related to a meeting, missing a meeting, losing a playbook,
being overweight, and things like that. That's one category, and

(48:48):
those have specific finds associated with them that are collectively
bargained and they go up year by year. Then there's
another category. Another category called conduct detrimental, which there's no
set fine amount. It's up to one week's game check,
and that could be things like disobeying coaches, you know,

(49:12):
being disruptive within the team, firing guns, and posting anything
that casts the organization in a negative light, such as that.
There's a long list, speeding in the parking lot, speeding
in the parking lot. Burning something in a hotel room,
I don't care, not a candle, incense, anything, If it burns,

(49:34):
leave it.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
The fuck out. And you're a noted candlesman.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
You love your candles, all right, man, you have to
have to do that somewhere else, not in your hotel.
You can't do it. The conduct detrimental is more serious
that then that has to go to the NFL. Has
that fine letter, has to go to the NFL, has
to go to the players Association, and you.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
Guys determine the find amount.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, there's up to yeah, so there you know.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Now, how many times did you have to like talk
Bill off the ledge of conduct detrimentally finding Matt light.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Not that many, I don't think, Matt. See that's smart, dude.
A man knows how to take it to the edge.
You know, and it's hard to really go after him.
I don't know that Matt ever got it.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Was Bill scared to go at Matt Light because of
the pranks that Matt Light would doodle?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
No, no, by scared?

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Did you did you hear the email exchange?

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Oh? I heard? I heard. He still think Matt doesn't
believe me. But I didn't have anything to do with that.
I really didn't. I remember that, I remember the mouse.
I mean, that's pretty good. Pretty good. Got a hundred
other ones in the locker room that I'm sure I
don't know about.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Was there any of those on that episode? The Matt
Light episode. Everyone you guys got to listen to that
were tremendous?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
I heard it.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Was there run any jokes or pranks that he left
out that you remember?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Well, there's not. With Matt, there's there is one. Drew
Drew was He was the godfather of it. I think
that's probably where Matt got it from. Is Drew bluedselling.
He was legendary for doing stuff quarterbacks. And he's told
those stories like filling filling Tom's car up with like
the peanuts, right, you know things. I'm not a big

(51:21):
practical joke guy. Man, I'm just there to work.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
He's a patriot. There's the patriot way.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
He's just there, proud of a baby to work.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Come on, whoopy cushions over here, Come on, let's we
got work there.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Grab what's going on in staff meeting?

Speaker 1 (51:38):
When Matt light pulls this ship, it's what is like
Scarnakio saying, like during this whole because you're in those No, I.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Wasn't in a lot. I mean I was in the
Saturday night night before the game staff meetings and some
off season ones, not the everyday ones when they're talking
to practice film and they gain you know, game plans
and stuff. They don't need me for those. Man, you
gotta all other stuff to do.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, what kind of action will get a not good?

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Not what we're looking for?

Speaker 4 (52:06):
So Matt told the story where the it was about
the email thing where he said something or the buzzer,
and he said specifically that you said the first thing
that walked in was not good. So what kind of
thing we'll elicit a not good from you?

Speaker 2 (52:18):
There's a term believes is a term in football and
elsewhere it's below the line. You know, if something is
below the line, then we just can't have it, you know,
jumping off side, jumping off side, like shocking a damn
coach at his desk, Like that's just that's below the line.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Every time to have the balls and the audacity to
fucking a sneak into the head coach's office. Let's let's
put it. Let's paint the picture. This isn't an office
that we all just like, hey, coach, how.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
You doing, coach? We don't do that.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
I went in that office maybe three times, four times
in my career. I was there for twelve years, and
three of them were like over con track stuff, and
after that one was suspended like.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
That covers it. That covers it.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
And so for bat Light to go in there and
have a full beanie of breaking an entry and like.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
It was, you know what, I look at it this way.
It's a grind. It's you guys. What you guys do
is a grind, and like very few people can or
would even have the mental toughness to go through it.
Everybody's got their way of getting through it, you know what.
And that is probably his way it is.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
And I think Bill appreciated guys that did that kind
of ship. Not he may not have showed it and
he may have yelled, but like he knew how big
of a grind it was for us. And it was
because the guys like that light and the rich Ornbergers
and the guys that brought some light.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Rabel.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
I wasn't see. I wasn't you got any good Rabel stories?

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, man, I'm a well, we'll do that one. I
have a great it's probably been told. All right, you
know what, there's too there's too much. There's too much.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
And you know during rookie skits and other joke times
where like we don't need to get into like male
you know, sexual conversation, Like it's too much like guys.
I don't understand why the guys did use that humor,
but the Vrabel thing kind of goes down that pas.
But I'm gonna leave that out.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
What was the best rookie skit that you ever remember?

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Uh? Wow, there's so many good ones. I mean, there
was a guy going way back to the offensive lineman
he did it. He did a pretty good Charlie Wise impersonation,
really good. I think it was Dan Stevenson from Notre
Dame but probably never played. But he could eat butter,
he could eat but no But back to what you're

(54:53):
saying about Bill, Like I totally agree, Like he knows
that you need more than just like robotic activity all
day long. Yeah, but he also knows like who he
is and what his his game is and isn't. So
if he's not, he's not going to go do that.
But if someone else is going to do it, then
now we have it. Yeah, it doesn't need to come
from him, comes from Light or Rabele or you know,

(55:17):
Dan Stevenson. Dan Stevenson, all right, was a rookie Actually,
uh no, it wasn't a rookie skip because Bill was
in it. It was just it was kind of like
just a team building thing that we broke the team
up and the coaches and everybody had a role in it,
and they enacted they reenacted like a Broadway musical and

(55:38):
Bill actually sang in this. I remember O number nine
now in front of the team. That was a memorable one.
Not a rookie skip, but it was kind of like
talent show ish event. So so Bill's got well, what
year was this? It's probably around twenty twenty, maybe this

(56:00):
is when? When was this the right before I think
it's probably right Easter?

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Was this the Jack Easter b thing where instead of
doing rookie skits we all had to like.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Do between things could have been in there. Yeah, I
remember that.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Where the where is that footage?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Well something something's wow.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Access Oliver's Twists starring Bill Belichick.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
It is Broadway debut.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
We'll be right back after this quick break. All right,
all right, let's get back. We're gonna talk about New York. Yeah,
let's let's go back to nineteen ninety seven, September fourteenth.
This is a segment we like to go over pop
culture things around the time the game took place.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Number one movie was The Game?

Speaker 5 (56:48):
You were this movie?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I remember I didn't see. That's a great movie.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
Great San Francisco movie too.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Great San Francisco movie.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Honey by Maria Carrey was number one song. We all remember,
huh Julian favorite.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
Yes, I do love the real heads know your love
for Mariah Long Island Baby.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
You speaking of music, you used to pick the practice music,
din't you.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, I am a music I'll say I enjoyed that.
It's hard. It's hard to please a football team because
you got a lot of There's so many, so many
times you could listen to here's where you start. I'll
tell you where it actually started. It started with for
crowd noise. To simulate crowd noise at practice, we just
played this is way before you just noise static, just yeah,

(57:34):
like that was our noise. And it was brutal, brutal.
So then we went to music and it was probably like, oh,
I don't know, maybe O one oh two, and I'm
playing I'm playing some hip hop song with you know,
regular lyrics, the lyrics and uh not clean, not clean,

(57:56):
and and I'd been doing this and then one day
un pleasant who was a veteran defensive lineman kind of
like I mean, not quite Matt Slater, but along those
lines of Matt Slater of the team at that time,
and he went to Bill and he said, like, seriously,
I do not want to hear some of these words.

(58:16):
Of course, build on say anything to me. So play
it again, Miller practice. But it comes over what after
you playing those songs? You know you can't play the
cleanler Okay. So from then on it was all clean lyrics,
hip hop, rock, bon Jovi and Springsteen. That's where you start. Yeah,
maybe bon Jovi and Springsteen start until you know that

(58:39):
gets old ish Bnjovi never gets old. But so then
we had it in country whatever.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Who who is the number one guy to come up
to request music?

Speaker 2 (58:52):
You guys?

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Let me pay the picture for you guys. Bears would
be out there like like dip lo. He had the
man a few big speakers and he had a turntable
and you'd see it there with his iPod and ship.
We're in the middle of a practice. Yeah, day, a
star of day? What is a rainy? Moss's song was
always a Friday practice. Every day?

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Star is b It was a jay Z.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Every time Bears would throw that on, Rady would look
at me, go, this is what they played on my birthday?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
The Moss Man. I love them. I love that guy stories.
I got some Moss stories. But you know what, who
was it? Steve CASCALSI he was. He was adamant about
some songs now Christmas specific, Christmas song specific.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
He was, Wait while we're on music, can I butt
in here real quick? Bears? I was creeping on your
Instagram before this, just to do my due diligence and prep.
How the heck was the Dead at the Sphere?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
I was sous best show I've ever seen it. I
mean show I've been I mean I've been a dead
fan a long time. They love their music. I mean
it just for for me all that, it just works.
So I saw them here Fenway last year. I thought
it was great, and they that was the last tour,
that was it. And then here they are residency at

(01:00:11):
the Sphere and I was like, I gotta do it.
So just it really no dates work, So I just
made the date work. Memorial Day. I was going alone,
but then I found a guy came with me and
we went and it was just it was incredible. Just
it's like an Imax. You've been in an Imax theater,
but it's that times one hundred. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
It looked incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
And it's mayor, I mean John Mayer's he's the tragician.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
All right, let's jump into the game, Jack, can you
set the stage for the New York Football Jets.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
Got to start out with the Jets. This is the
first year of the Big Tuna era Big tun which
is pretty crazy, and the first year of the Bears
era and the first year of the Bears right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Well, actually no, I started at the Jets mid season
in ninety five. Okay, I was I know it was
before I was before this this actual regime came in,
which is great for me. It was awesome because to
go back one step further, I started at the Knicks
as an intern total slap you know, in the ninety

(01:01:15):
four season, okay, and media relations. It was a media
relations intern, and it was awesome. Like I'm from New York. Okay,
I'm in in the end. I mean, I'm Bostonian now,
but in my heart, I'm a New Yorker and New
York the New York sports scene is where this all
started for me. And when the Knicks are going like

(01:01:36):
they were going pretty good this year, like there's nothing
like it in New York City. So I was with
the Knicks when they were going pat Riley, Patrick Ewing,
all these guys that they show now, John Starr, I mean,
I could name the whole team. So anyway, I started then,
and I was at the Knicks for a couple of
years and that's when Van Gundia, but I wasn't full time.
That led to a job at the Jets in media

(01:01:59):
relations because the organizations knew each other. Whatever one thing
lent to another. Now I'm at the Jets, but I
continued working at the Knicks just on game days, and
it was amazing. Like I sat there, like at the
door where the celebrities and the media came in and
handed out credentials to tickets to like whoever it was,
and just like now, like there were some notable people
coming through there, media, Spike. Actually Spike, he was a

(01:02:21):
season ticket holder, so he had his tickets, but it
was the people that would come just for the game
and you know, need their ticket rules, you know, like
Stephen A. Smith when he was a writer, a basketball
writer at the Philadelphia Choir. You know, like a lot
of people that you know, kind of moved up like
all of us, you know, they were something else in
the mid nineties. So the Knicks is and the Knicks
were very corporate, the very corporate organization owned by Viacom

(01:02:48):
and now Cable Vision, and it was an office building
in New York City. It was amazing. I took the
train in from Long Island every day. And so now
I'm at the Jets and it's very different. The Jets
were I own by a family, Leon Hess of hess Oil,
and it was a family not even a family run organization.
Because he wasn't around that much. He was around a

(01:03:09):
couple times a year, so it was really kind of
like a mom and pop type of organization. And I'll
jump ahead and down. The Patriots are a mix of
both run like a business, no question and killing it
as a business, but family run thin at the top.
So my first two jobs was kind of like both
ends of that. The Patriots kind of mixed it all together.

(01:03:32):
But I started the Jets midway through the ninety five season.
Team was horrendous. As much good fortune as I've had
in football, it didn't start that way. Three and thirteen
my first year, one in fifteen the second year. So
four and twenty eight is the first two years as
this is not what I remember at the Knicks, and

(01:03:54):
then here comes the new regime. Now Bill Parcells from
New Jersey, a New York Ey like all the way
baseball fan, like New York Giants like baseball fan, Knicks fans.
We had a little connection on that won Super Bowls
at the Giants, and just a New York guy. So
he was like welcomed, beloved in New York. And you

(01:04:17):
could tell right away like this is gonna this is
gonna be a totally different deal. Like if there's things
are a little loose. Well, we're going opposite, you know,
that's just him hard nos tough in your face like
no bs guy like Bill Belichick, pat Riley, Bill O'Brien,
and so that that was the new kind of vibe

(01:04:39):
around the team, and there were some good players. It's
kind of like, I mean, not quite as good, but
it's a little like the Patriots when Bill Belichick got there,
where there are great players in place, but just you know,
hadn't quite gotten to where there were a few years before.
Jets had some good players now. To me, like I
think about this stuff like the history of rivalry, like

(01:05:00):
I grew up in New York and like the Yankees
and the Red Sox in the old days the seventies
and the eighties when they're brawling like legit brawls and
games Thurman Munks and Carlton Fisk and like Bruins Rangers
fighting fans in the stands, like there was some serious
rivalries going on. But this this one took it like
to a different level because it wasn't as much on

(01:05:21):
the field. It was like the off the field stuff,
the off field drama with coaches and front office and
players switching teams and the whole New York Boston rivalry
and even at that time, and I know this because
I was one of them. I grew up in New York,
went to school in Boston, College in Boston. There was
a lot of that going on in that eighties nineties

(01:05:43):
where there was an influx of young people from New
York going to college in Boston. That brought a whole
new kind of aspect to it of the rivalry, and
then this game was kind of took it to the
next level.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
It's it's like I was trying to think of any
like how to equate it to a modern sort of
rivalry and just can't. Like with the coaching changes of
the players, change of the back and forth.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Like like Andy Reid going to the Raiders it's keep
right and they're being messy on his way out with
the Chiefs, and then the best player then Mahomes having
I mean just a quick little this is one thing
with Curtis Martin, he's on the Patriots. It's like that
three years or two or three years, you know, good play,

(01:06:27):
very productive player, had some injuries. You know, if there
was a there was a contract aspect going on where
the Patriots going to sign them where they're not going
to sign them. So Parcells love Curtis Martin from his
time at the Patriots, so he signs Curtis. He was
restricted free agent. He signs him to an offer sheet
to come to the Jets. Okay, in this offer sheet,

(01:06:49):
it says that Curtis Martin has to be the highest
paid player on a team. I can't do this now,
and the Patriots couldn't match that because blood Cell was
there and he was you know, the Patriot didn't have
an established quarterback. It was Neil O'Donnell, the old from
the old regiam Is Glenn Foley Boston College, so they

(01:07:10):
could do that. That is since that's also one of
the many rules that have come up probably out of
this rivalry as well, is that that poison pill for
in the contract that you can't do that anymore. So
he went. So Curtis Martin ended up going to the
to the Jets, having a Hall of Fame career. Jesus,
that's that's just one thing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
I mean, this game that we're covering is his highest rushing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Touchdown, right. I think he had like seven carries on
the game winning drive in overtime in this game, like
the you know Patriots had a really good team. Let's
I'll give you one more. Who's on the sideline in
this game for the Patriots. Pete Carroll's the head coach.
Turned out to be quite a I mean good higher
then and he's you know, National Championship of College super

(01:07:53):
Bowl on the end. So great coach who a few
years before head coach of the Jets for one year.
They fired him after one year. So Pete Carroll was
the head coach of the Jets. Yeah, people don't really
talk about that as much in this game, but you
know there's another one.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
So I'd love your because I didn't realize that you
were in the Jets organization before Parcels came in. What
was the vibe, the buzz, what was going on from
the Jets perspective when Parcels started the rmblings of potentially
joining the Jets while he was under contract with the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
From what I recall, it was, if you can get Parcels,
you get Parcels. Now, remember the team is four and
twenty eight, so if it wasn't Parcels, you know, it
could have been somebody else coming in. You know as
a new head coach anyway. But if you get Parcels
that instant credibility right away and whatever he wants he
gets and he was gonna do and you're gonna get better.

(01:08:44):
Team was in the NFC championship game the next year,
twelve and four season. But yeah, that game, the Patriots
were good, the Jets were not good. So the pressure
was all on the Patriots. You gotta win this game.
You can't let this guy leave the way he left
and come back Week three, National TV, Patriots are two
and zero and win like that would have been disastrous.

(01:09:08):
So the Patriots had to win that game and barely did.
I mean they were a better team, but took a
lot of body blows on the way. It's like Rocky one,
Rocky Rocky won, Apollo wins, but a lot was that
week of practice and prep. How was that week in

(01:09:31):
New York? In New York it wasn't nearly what it
was I think up here, because you like all the
information was there like newspaper and you know, the radio
like that was it. You could tell like up here
it meant everything down there was like the team's just
kind of getting started here try and try not to
piss him off, I personally, because I was into this stuff,

(01:09:51):
like I wanted to win. I wanted to win it
for him because I knew it was a big deal
for that. But within the team, I think they could
sense it. You know, once theuses are getting pelted, Like
the Jets buses didn't get pelted very much at one
and fifteen, like one of fifteen, busy get pelted.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
Nine and seven.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
You're getting pelted though ninety seven this year.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
This year, big what a turn I mean, incredible turnaround
in one year go to one in fifteen and nine
and seven is just.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Notice, yeah, and right on the edge, like you know,
right on the edge of the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
So something that kind of gets lost here a little
bit because there's a couple of times with coaching intrigue
back and forth between the Jets and the Patriots. Is
during this time here, coach Belichick was named head coach
for like six days, right and coach Parcels was coaching consultant.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Even that was uh, you know during those times, the
policies and the rules like it was a lot different
than it is now. There are a lot of loopholes
and gray areas, and you know, they were operated in.
But even that one was too far and the league
stepped in and had to broker a deal. They couldn't
just you know, let them be there as a consultant, mister.

(01:10:59):
That the staff started getting built, like Bill Belichick was
the head coach and Scott Peoli was hired and Mike
Tannebaum and things were kind of like set up. How
much Bill Parcells was, you know, involved, I'm not really sure,
but back the fact that Scott Peoly was brought in
and he was a Bill Belichick guy, means that Bill
Belichick was making some decisions. Scott didn't have any connection

(01:11:20):
with Parcels who brought in Charlie he came. That was
That's a good question. I don't remember the timing of
that because he was on Parcels staff. He was never
on Bill's. They were they were friends and they were close.
It was probably Parcels.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
Yeah, a little bit of the Patriot's Dynasty brain trust
inner circle was developed on this Jets team. Can you
speak a little bit to that. You mentioned Peoli, Mangini yourself.
Can you just talk about how that kind of happened
in New York?

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Right, Well, Scott with Scott Pioli in particular, he goes
back to Cleveland for several years with Bill Belichick. So
they had already like they had already been involved with
building a team team together and Mike Tannebaum came kind
of on the tail end of that. So they they
already had a working relationship. They had already done it

(01:12:09):
at an organization, and then they took that to the
Jets and then add parcels and it and then went
from there. So a lot of this actually goes back
to Cleveland too, with Bill Belichick and Scott, you know,
and Mike and Eric too. He's definitely in part of this.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
And what was your process to kind of because you
were with the district before, to kind of get inside.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
So like I said, like I was in media relations, okay,
And if you're in media relations and in the department
of five year five, you don't have natural crossover with
the defensive coordinator assistant head coach Bill Belichick like that
that something has to happen. What happened was and it's
actually a story that I tell people and my kids about.

(01:12:53):
You never know. So when I was at the Jets
in the previous regime, one of my jobs was to
work with the radio broadcast crew during the game and
right down stats like things that happened. Like they didn't
have all these great instantaneous things you'd have to maybe
for TV, but not for radio. So I did a
lot of things by hand, and I would like give
notes to the announcers. One of the announcers, the analyst

(01:13:17):
was Dave Jennings. About the name of Dave Jennings. He's
a great guy, passed away way too early. He was
a great punter for the New York Giants in the
late seventies early eighties. Like Giants weren't very good, he
was the at times he was the best player in
a team. But he was a Pro Bowl punter. And
Bill coached him when he was he coached special teams

(01:13:39):
at the Giants. I don't know this. I don't know
Bill Belichick, but Dave was a radio analyst like the
Scott Zolac Okay of the Jets, and he was a Giant.
And in New York, people are very passionate about their sports,
just like Boston, very passionate. But in New York there's
most two teams for every sport. So yeah, you got rivalries,

(01:14:01):
you got Yankees Red Sox, but you got it, also
got Yankees Mets. You know, there's a lot of tension there.
So yeah, absolutely, so the Giants and the Jets like
their enemies, and it went up at that time. I
don't know what it's like now, but at that time
it was a front office thing too. Like the Jet
people didn't really like the Giant people. So here's Dave

(01:14:23):
Jennings known as a Giants player, even though he played
the Jets a couple of years at the end of
his career. But he was a Giant and here but
he's a Jet color guy on the radio, and he
was blunt. He would tell it like it is. He
didn't sugarcoat anything. He would hammer the team. He'd hammer
the team when he went on the radio just as
a guest. And they didn't like him very much. But
what do I know, Like, I'm twenty something years old,

(01:14:43):
I'm there, I'm at practice, I'm talking to them. I
like the guy. So he became friends. Well. A few
years later, incomes the new regime. Incomes Bill Belichick as
part of the new regime. Dave Jennings introduces me to
Bill Belichick because their friends from back of the Giants
that's kind of where it got started. And you know,
I was kind of in that little circle of Bill,

(01:15:06):
Scott Pioli, like Tanne Beum, Eric Mangini and that that
was kind of it. So that's how it kind of
got started. So the relationships which you know all about
do I, Yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Was that, like, yeah, that was were they a close
knit group that whole little eventual Patriot coaching staff, Like
in the cafeteria where those guys al We's sitting next
to each other like talking and was at their rat pack.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Absolutely, it would be yeah, go out, you know, not
do that so much anymore, but it would be like,
go out somewhere. We went to the Belmont together. It
was the end of it was the end of mini camp.
It's pretty funny. It's the end of mini camp. Was
the last practice and then we get in the car
and go to the Belmont, fill up the trunk with
some beverages, get there. Bill's drive in. Bill's driving. We

(01:16:01):
pull in and it's a mess, like we don't have passes.
We're just kind of driving in and we got stopped there.
We're just trying to park and the guy's like, you
can't go here, and Bill points over. That's Eric Mangini.
Let us in say, nobody doesn't know who says Bill's
not funny.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
We also there was a very limited media on you
when we're doing some research, but we found an article
from two thousand drove up that skip ahead a little
bit that when the Patriots or when Bill moved to
the Patriots, you guys all drove together from New Jersey
to Foxborough.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Yeah, it was it was Bill driving me and Eric.
That was that was a group that came up. What
kind of car by station wagon? I bet it is
a Bill station wagon?

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
I think that's Bill did have that station wagon that
he was driving in that ninety five Brown's footage.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Was it a station what's.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
The conversation like that, It's like, oh, we want to
do this. Is it already in work mode thinking about
what to do when you get to New England or
is it just like, hey, we should stop at this
last deli that's the last New York della.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Yeah, probably there's probably some of that, and it was
probably just how the how's this day going to go?
With the press conference and you know, just what's happening
in the next immediate hours and day. That was two thousand.
You know the three people who started the Patriots in
two thousand, three people. I mean there's more than three people.
But the what in the year two thousand. It was
Bill's first year, It's Tom's first year, and my first year. Man,

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that's a pretty good company.

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
Talk about a trio.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
I'm saying, I kid, I kid, Come on, man, Ernie,
Ernie came back.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Ernie did too. Yeah, after killing it out there in
the business world. We won't get into that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:45):
He got We're gonna get stocktcks out him one of
these days. Yeah, we were getting the good luck.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Let's jets real quick. Let's do Pats real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Yeah, yeah, run through these these Jets real quick. As
we said, nine and seven narrowly missed the plays. Huge
turnaround from the year before one in fifteen, mo Lewis
We all know Lewis the loan pro bowler this season,
this was the first winning season for the Jets since
eighty eight. So, I mean, Bill Parcells came in and
it made that immediate one year, one year, the tuner

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knew how to turn things around, and.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
We did the same thing with the Patriots. Took him
to the Super Bowl like that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
This was one year. It was one year after Kishawn
was drafted number one overall in the ninety six draft.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Good great guy, good friend of mine. Didn't you work
with him? Yeah, he was the first pick in a
draft and he came like in ninety six and the
first thing he did is come to my office and
we just kind of hit it off right away. La
guy had some of our Mantian friends.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
Hey, yeah, getting into its in this game too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
He did had a great touchdown and mo Lewis had
a touchdown. They forgotten what lewis patriot moment. He was all,
he's doing the interception for a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Which he outran Sean Jefferson had the wheels, baby had
the wheels.

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
And if we were and we're talking this Jets roster,
we've mentioned these games. We've mentioned the Neil O'donnald's. We
got Adrian Morrell, I mean he carried the ball three
hundred times, the Godfather. You took the words right out
of my mouth.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Him Jules have a similar place style. I've been told, Yeah,
we're both white.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
More than that. And go look up the photo of you.
What are the similarities of our game?

Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
Get open and catch the ball, simple as that, get
open and catch the ball, simple as that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Should we roll on the real quick?

Speaker 5 (01:19:28):
This was the ten and six Patriots seem pretty loaded
roster on both sides of the ball. We mentioned it
before then. There are even some names that carried over
into the Belichick era that you guys would know, the
Willie McGinnis, the Tie Laws, the lawyer Malloy's of the world.
Scott Zolac was backing up Bledsoe this year. It was
the first Troy Brown first year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
The can of the Jets, love so love soo. You
know has a fake I is that the rumor?

Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
I think? I think there. I don't know exactly he's
got a I don't know exactly what you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Got to ask him.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Had an incredible touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
In this It'd be pretty incredible if he was an
NFL quarterback with one eye. Debt per section go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
This was the first year of the Pete Carroll era,
as we mentioned, uh. This was Bledsoe's fifth year in
the NFL, so already pretty established in there, played under
Parcels all those years and they kind of butted heads
a little bit, is that right? Burge a little.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Parcels Bill and Bledsoe, I think, I mean I wasn't here.

Speaker 5 (01:20:30):
Oh man, I got.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
I've heard yeah, okay, And he does that with all
this the same thing with Phil Simms.

Speaker 5 (01:20:36):
I mean, yeah, we've Phil was on here telling the stories.
The plane ticket is in the drawer.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
I think, just audience think the big takeaway from this
Patriots team is that talking about this Parcels Belichick Jets
Patriots kind of back and forth, that this Patriots team
the core was really kind of a Parcels left over
that became the Belichick pick up for the early part
of the dynasty in the Patriots organization.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
And this was to say, yeah, for sure, and two
more points we got to hit before we move on.
Coming off of lost in Super Bowl thirty one, we
lost to the Packers Terry Glenn's second year in the
NFL two and lost in the division around of Pittsburgh
to another coach with another good name, the chin baby,
Bill Cower, Bill Coward.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
We kind of already covered the Parcels exit already, so
we can kind of we dig some some research on
the compensation for the draft picks back and forth, no
one really of note to really mention, so just kind
of that the League stepped in. There was some back
and forth. Parcels was pretty much out the door before
while the Patriots were playing in the Super Bowl. Some
intrigues and back and forth. We mentioned the consultation, the consultant,

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the head coach of Belichick and then led us into
this game.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Our memories coming back up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Parcels like, so, what is the first thing, what's that
first memory of Coach Parcels after working with him for
you know, your five games, and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Now this is like my first memory of him period.
My interaction with him was maybe like I don't know,
it's probably like a couple of months into his time
at the Jets, and like, I don't really have anything
to do with him. We had a head of media
relations and someone else. But I got called up to
his office. The coach wants to see you. So okay,
I go up there and walk in and he goes.

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I think he said something about the Knicks because he like,
you know, he's always had let's say, that's one of
the things about Parcelsy. He has something with everybody, like
a little connection to kind of break the ice or
have a little personal rapport. So that was that was
it with me. But then he said, you see this,
and he takes out this laminated piece of paper. The
NFL schedule for next season had just come out, so
all the games are listed for each week, but on paper.

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So he had this one sheet and on one side
it was week one, Week two, Week three, and then
on the top it was all the teams at l
ar z c AR all the way down and then
in each box and there was a grid of two
hundred and fifty six games. Who's playing, who, the time
of the game, and where it was in the day,
Like if it was not a Sunday, if it was Monday,

(01:23:02):
you put m o wan ivers a Thursday. T So
can you do this? Okay, I'll do it and walk
out and there's a lot of information. But so and
I'm about to leave his office and he goes, hey,
just remember this one wrong, all wrong, okay, coach, not
like I did do a good job with this, thanks
a lot one wrong. All wrong, you know, And that

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means like center it properly, and you know it's a
lot of information. It's not hard, but it's details. So
I'm like, I can't f this up. Was he a
guy of those a million sayings? Yes, he had a lot. Yes,
he had a lot of sayings like, I mean, there's
if they don't bite as puppies, they're not going to
bite as a dog. Meaning if a rookie isn't tough

(01:23:45):
when you get them, ain't gonna get tough. Can't buy toughness.
So I stayed up like all night and they had
my mom double checking it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
You know, did Jewels bite as a puppy?

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Absolutely? Absolutely has anyone talked about the playoff game. It's
a horrible game. Playoff game in two thousand and nine
and his rookie year, Ray Rice.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
It's come up a few times. We've never dedicated to
that hit, right that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
I mean Bill has talked about like numerous times with
the team, like the best player on the field.

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
In that game for us coming out party.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
We had some good players on the team, but not
that day. This was an nine other than him. This
is nine Ravens.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
So then what happened between nine and when he really
kind of like stuck on, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
He didn't he didn't say that at the time. Later,
but he couldn't se Super Bowls later.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
All right, Jack, let's sorry, let's do this game because
this was actually sometimes these old games are don't really
aren't really interesting. Maybe the storyline or the themes are
more interesting than the actual game play itself. This is
a great game with an overtime Adam and Terryfield like
Jack when he hit us up on.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
Before I get into that, I gotta give my guys
some shine back to that nine playoff game against the Ravens.
Six catches forty four yards, two touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Let's not forget catch just forty four yards. I would
have guessed more than that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
I had a good turn too, But let's Bill like
the I remember Bill put the punk return on the
highlights out of our exit.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
That's the one we how involved you with Bill Tube
and the cutups.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
That's all the film. I yeah, I didn't watch. I
didn't really watch the game film. I watched a lot
of TV copies our games and other games, because a
lot of times you get better shots, you get good replays,
you get officials or announcers saying things that helped make.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
The interview in the staff beforehand.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Yeah, or they just explain what's going on, especially officiating.
So we had a lot of those teaching tapes or
you know, situations to learn from the weird things that
happened once in a while that Bill likes to talk about.
So this is a sloppy game.

Speaker 5 (01:25:51):
This was a while, one intense from the jump, Foxborough
Stadium is rocking, rocking. We got the old starter jerseys on,
we got the baggy polos, we got the depleted kakis.
This was I mean, this is peak nineties football. As
you said, sloppy game, A little bit six turnovers, six turnovers,
A little bit sloppy, but still exciting. Two block kicks,
lead changes or ties seven times. It's back and forth

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all night. The Patriots get out start early with a
crazy sixty three yard kick return, sets up a quick
strike to Ben Coates. Pats go up seven to nothing.
Neil O'Donnell, not not a known runner, runs one in
to tie it up. Then when Patriots knock again come back,
Curtis Martin punches one in, go up fourteen to seven
in the first quarter. Then the second quarter of the
Jets knocking a field goal. We're at fourteen ten at

(01:26:36):
the half. Then in the third mo lewis once again,
I mean just killing bloodsoe any chance he gets this
time crazy a pick? I'm sorry, sorry, too soon, still
too soon? Maybe forty three yard pick six. The Jets
are up seventeen to forty.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Oh Lewis, and it's got tight. It's getting tight.

Speaker 5 (01:26:55):
The Eras gets sucked out of that building.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
I hear, what do you mean it's getting tighter. The
Patriots had to win this game. They had to win
this there's no alternative.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Had to win this game. And it starts going and
it actually it's going the other way.

Speaker 5 (01:27:08):
Now now it's like, oh crap, they got the lead,
Like this is one of like expectations for this Jets team.
We're still pretty low after one in fifteen season.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
It's almost like it's almost like not even well, we're
gonna win, It's just we got embarrassed the guy. We
got embarrass it like winning is like, that's that's happening.
Like how bad is it going to be?

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Is?

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
Like crazy? Back in now the back and forth really starts.
Adam Vinitary, mister clutch. This is this is before the
snow kicks. This is before all that ties it up.
Seventeen seventeen. Patriots get a stop come back love it,
Pernales filling in for Ben Coates knocked out. At this point,
Ben Coates gets knocked out of the game go up
twenty four to seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Late then as we only catch them first catch it Yeah,
not the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:27:53):
Not a household name, not no to love it, but
not a household name. Then we come back. We alluded
to this one earlier. Keishawn Johnson an incredible back of
the end zone twenty four yarder from O'Donnell, the one
time waiting, the one catch. Oh my god, you loved
you drive.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
How much time left was it?

Speaker 5 (01:28:10):
Twenty we got like twenty nine seconds left in the game. Yeah,
twenty four to twenty four? Kickoff?

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Wait then wait, you know what's gonna happen on it?
Sinsuing kickoff the fumble.

Speaker 5 (01:28:21):
Okay, I'm sorry, Harry Colors. I'm sorry, brother.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Let's talk.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
Let's talk through that, because I think that was all.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Let's talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
How do you remember the Kishon Johnson touchdown or that drive?
Do you remember anything?

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
First?

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
Angel a while ago, but.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
I already won second. Keishawn and I are friends and
we were very close to then. And the fact that
he made that catch, and that guy is a competitor.
Parceles loved him because he blocked, he worked tough, had
some personality to him. They really clicked from the beginning,
and I was I was happy for him that he
made that play. That was I mean, that was I

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don't know if the game it's tied without that play.

Speaker 5 (01:28:56):
Were you in the press box for this one?

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I was, Okay, yeah, I was. John notes to Dave
Jennings in the radio, guys, because.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
The commentary in the from the broadcast was that Johnson
was a little bit kind of where was he in
the when we need him the most for the Jets
in the fourth quarter. Wasn't a lot of plays they
weren't really going to him. So this big play at
the end was kind of like, oh, here he is
a big moment, big play shows up. Great catch in
the corner, ties the game or ties the game, right, I.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Mean, who's his quarterback exactly? And he's come on, guys,
all right, take us through what are the announcers?

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Well, so you remember what happened after that, right with
the Can you walk us through that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Yeah? The scores? Okay, so now there's what thirty something
seconds left? Game is going to go to overtime most likely,
right right? Right? But no, no, I mean how often
does a kickoff return get fumbled? Not very oft not
very often at all.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Buffalo two nine opener, right, remember scared Weather knocked him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Yeah, I do think I do keep them absolutely the
same kind of similar situation too. At the end, you
need a score, right, well, this was tied, so so
now so he fumbles, Jets recover and now the Jets
are going to win like somehow because the Patriots have
been in control most of the way and there's kind
of wacky plays here, and they now the Jets are

(01:30:13):
going to win. Just run it down, line up for
a short field goal and this is gonna be a
catastrophe in New England. So line up for the field goal.
It gets blocked. Rookie giant, rookie John Hall. Right, they
came in parcels after that. I don't I don't think

(01:30:36):
he I don't think he showed it. But I think
after after Keishawan, you saw him after that, after he
scored a touchdown, I think he thought we might steal
this game, and it was there to be stolen. So
now we go to overtime and you know what happens here, Curtis, Yes,
but for that before that, Patriots, Patriots get the ball, okay,

(01:31:00):
move it a little bit. Interception Otis Smith, his future
Patriot and Super Bowl contributor. Otis Smith intercepts the ball,
who tackles him by the way after he intercepts the
past Troy Brown made tackle. He might have had some
room to run with Troy tackle them and never gives

(01:31:23):
up on a play San Diego. Troy talked about it
yesterday with the balls at midfield. So again another chance,
but nothing happens there as sack or penalty or whatever.
So now punt it back to New England and then
Curtis Martin all the way down, all the way down
the Adam Elementary lines up.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
What's the flight home? You guys lose heartbreak overtime. Should
have won that game.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
That game for the Jets is just unfortunate because of
what it could have been. But it wasn't what it
would have been if it were if you were the
Patriots and loss. You know, it was disappointed that, you know,
you had those games like it. Really it would have
been nice. You know, it's unfortunate. Were shame to shame
it didn't happen off on the Jets side for parcels

(01:32:12):
and all that and getting the program going. But it
was a different level than the side the New England side.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
How are you in the locker room at the end
of the game when Parcels is addressing the team.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
No, I wasn't really in there. It's probably about the
Monday were you there? Were you in a team meeting?
I wasn't really in the team meetings at that at
that stage of your career. Yeah. I started that in
two thousand.

Speaker 5 (01:32:39):
On this game, as we just said, Adam Viniterry knocks
one home after an incredible drive by led by Curtis
Martin in overtime after the Patriots got the ball back
sixty two yards and nine plays. Forty two of those
yards were just Curtis Martin rushes. Patriots win twenty seven
twenty four. Curtis Martin ran the ball forty times, forty

(01:33:01):
carries whatety nine yards? One touchdown, go ahead, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
I pined for this era of football, just like I'm
just gonna give it to my back and we're just
gonna go down the field. We're gonna punch it in.
You're just not gonna do anything about it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Oh, sorry to tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
Yeah, not thirteen seconds left. Oh we can get two
scores here.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
I like my backs wearing big elbow. You know, I
mean one of the best, most exciting Week three games
we've ever even mentioned on this show or ever incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
However much it could get ramped up, That's what it was.
It was like, I mean different because everyone went, you know,
obviously the biggest comeback game, come home game is Tom.
You know, came back with Tampa and that was massive.
But it was a different vive. It was love for Tom.
It was different sort of methods of promotion and hype.

(01:33:57):
You know, this was this was kind of old school.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
This is Oldirio. You hate thetriol can. That's a high syllable.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Word that me and you do not know what did
Bill saying that you impressed? Unimpressed. I'm just trying to
follow that lights footsteps here.

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
And the storylines continue. After the game New England, we
get out to a five and one start, finished ten
and six, losing the division round of Pittsburgh. The Jets
would beat the Patriots twenty four to nineteen get a
little revenge in the Week eight matchup in the Meadowlands.
Jets would ultimately finish nine and seven, third in the
AFC East and just narrowly missed the playoffs, but it

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doesn't in there a couple of years down the road.
But wait, there's more. Paul Tagliabu is earning his money
between this rivalry. I mean, he's got to be sitting
at his desk like these guys again, these guys again.
A couple of years later, back in ninety nine, Bill
Pauls steps down as the head coach of the Jets,

(01:34:56):
and then there's the plan in place for Bill to
succeed him, right right then Pete Carroll also fired in
New England in ninety nine, so the New England jobs open.
Then we infamously get the Bill Belichick spinning one day
as head coach of the Jets.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
The napkin before we do that, I don't think it
was a napkin, by the one. It was no napkin. Huh,
No napkin.

Speaker 5 (01:35:23):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
A piece of paper?

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
Okay? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
And who does he give this to?

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
My understanding is he gave it to the team president,
Steve Govan.

Speaker 5 (01:35:34):
This was at the press conference, like this was?

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
This was I think the day before okay, maybe the
morning off, I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
So before we get to the actual resignation in the Patriots,
I just watched the Two Bills documentary NFL Films last night,
Ken Rogers Shadow n F Films, We Love You.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
I Love You.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
There was a supposedly a fax that came true from
the Patriots organization to the Jets organization saying they wanted
to interview coach Belichick to potentially be their head coach.
There's some intrigue, there's some stuff. Do you have any
insight on on what happened there?

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
I think it was taken and bald of and throwing
out that's what I heard.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
And that led to parcels resigning to kind of trigger
like this.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Doesn't mean that. I think that it was. The intent
was this doesn't mean anything because other contractual things are
in the works underway, so's invalid. The uh, the processes
of requesting permission and all that. Like, it's come a
long way, It's come a long way.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
Do you you're interstructle with coach Belichick at this time?
Do you have any conversations about this going on? Or
is he operating on his own with just all this
information and wanting to move some stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
So how does Bill get you to we got a
napping gait whatever? This that whatever not an a piece
of paper out there? How does Bill ask you to come?

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Hey, Bears, you come with me?

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
How'd he ask you?

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
Bears?

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
You know you've worked really hard. You know you're a
New York guy. Like what? I don't think there was
ever one like specific conversation on this like Bill got.
Bill was interviewed for a job the previous year, the Raiders,
and you know how it is like we started, we
formed a relationship and you know, we talked about things. Whatever.

(01:37:19):
It wasn't specifically like, all right, I'm getting this job,
this is your job, let's go do it. You just
kind of get a vibe like you want to kind
of feels like we might have a future together. But
it wasn't a specific moment in time. Never huh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
He always keeps you in that gray. He always keeps
you that grey. Is that is Jedi mind trick?

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
I don't think so. I think that's an overrated thing too,
about like how calculating he is on every last thing,
Because he is calculating on a lot of things when
it comes to football, but not every last thing. So
many press conferences that he was laid for. He was
coming from a meeting where he was locked in on
whatever that was, And thirty seconds later he's in a

(01:37:59):
press off. He wasn't just going over like every last
thing he was going to say and message to put
out there, like he's not that smart. Oh he's smart,
and he probably did do that sometimes. But is this
a little bit urban legend?

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
Oh yeah, for sure. I mean he wasn't saying Foxboro
High every minute like everyone says, Napkins, this.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Is see this is bullshit. Three ring no pad?

Speaker 5 (01:38:28):
Yes, yes, like a gentleman Napkins over here? Could he's
a number at a bar? Come on, man, we're just
spelling rumors. I like, we're debunking over here today MythBusters
Games with Names Edition.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
But but just to wrap this up and put a
neat bow on it, Bears, could you help us since
you live through this and you were on the ground,
boots on the ground in the building. Kind of the
timeline of events of Bill getting hired by the Jets, Parcels, resigning,
and then making the jump to New York, like how
that played out? Just the card of events?

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
So was it, Napkin? And then you guys just got
in the station wagon and this was something? These are
like ten these are tense times here tense times. I'm
not like and again I'm not in the parcels like
Jets executive circles all the time. I'm not like meandering
in and out of these conversations. Yeah you are. That's

(01:39:23):
a different you know what, different me? That was the
That was the old me.

Speaker 4 (01:39:27):
There was a there was a line in the New
York Times where it says, where you position yourself on
every press conferences out of sight but with an earshot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
I tried. I was actually in that press conference. I'll
never forget where it was like in the Jets auditorium,
was like halfway up on the left side, just watching.
Like one thing the media doesn't like, especially like New
York media or Boston. They don't like things that take
them completely by surprise. They don't really like that, especially
if they don't have like they didn't see it coming.

(01:39:55):
They don't have a great explanation. That's that's not like
great area.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
It's like a movie like Bill's just going up there
and then he announces He's not going like ah, yeah,
what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
He like winks to the camera and then that's the
end of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Flash next season, Patriots like a.

Speaker 4 (01:40:15):
Smirk like a season succession, season two ending.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
I still remember those Jets Cadillac step in repeats that
were always behind the body.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Right, you know who had the Cadillac deal, Bill Parcells.
Oh oh yeah, he drew up. That was his car, Cadillac.
I think he drove it, like to Florida. He didn't
like to fly. I think he drove it when he
went down there and in a winter, you know, like
right after the season until whenever he came back.

Speaker 5 (01:40:38):
He drove thatbile.

Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
That's such a new New England or Northeastern like New
Jersey kind of like going to Florida.

Speaker 5 (01:40:44):
Move doesn't take lit up the Cadillac.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
We're going to Florida. So to kind of wrap up
this thing, maybe the borrowface for you, what's the theme
of this Coach Belichick Jets to Patriots transition transfer that happens?

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
What is the drama? Drama and that's all we're just trying,
we're trying to eliminate distractions. Well, that was the wrong
place for you, because that's that's a lot of drama.
I mean, that's the that's the Patriot jet theme that
the drama. Yeah, just drama never stopped, never stopped. The

(01:41:20):
music never.

Speaker 5 (01:41:20):
Stopped Dead Reference Baby, and we came on.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
And it never stopped that you know what, you know,
it's crazy that little car ride in that station wagon.
Little did we know about six seven years later when
no little man Genie takes jet job.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
I thought we'd all just be in your car.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
I thought we'd all be in the car just listen
to dead Bruce Springsteing Bond Job. And then you know,
all of a sudden, man Genie, you know a drama, drama,
and that's the theme.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Yeah drama. I forgot. I don't know what you're talking about.
Two blinks for yeah drama.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
Well, could Bill have built the success that the Patriots
had with the Jets if he were to be the
Jets head coach right now?

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
I don't think he could. I think the Jets are
just right.

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
Let's go sorry to every frim alternate reality coach. Belichick
was named head coach for that day, had things worked
out and he stayed. Do you think he could have
built what was built in New England in that organization,
with what was the pieces that were there?

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
Well, I know that Bill already knew how build how
to build a team. He built one in Cleveland. You
can go. There've been documentaries about the nineteen ninety five
Cleveland Browns and what that eventually became. So he knew
how to build a team. It would be a reach
for me to say it would have been six super

(01:42:48):
Bowls and all that, because as you know, and I
feel I get the question. You got the question, Bill
or Tom whatever, it's everybody, man, It's everybody to everybody.
So it helps to have the best at the two
most important positions, head coaching, quarterback, Like it helps to
have that. I was gonna say three best positions football ops, quarterback,

(01:43:10):
head coach. Yeah, sorry, so being honest, Yeah, if you
got everybody else, because that's it didn't just happen, and
it takes people. You know. Did he ever talk.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
About what he learned in his time in Cleveland, Belichick
like the mistakes, Like on the car right up with
you and Manginie. Was he sitting there like, all right, guys,
you know, I'm probably not going to do this one.
We're not going to do the PB and J Live TV.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
I don't think he mentioned that, but he form of
team building and football standpoint, Now, he didn't not with
me so much. I'm sure he had those conversations with
Scott Pioli and Ernie because those are the guys that
really kind of set the tone to building the team.
But from my standpoint kind of off the field, it was, yeah,

(01:44:00):
he was too much in the weeds and the details
on everything, even things that are important but someone else
can handle. Yeah, you know, see the big picture more,
which he definitely said that. You know, even though he
probably still feels like he's in the wiz and a
lot of stuff, but maybe not as much as it
was in Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
So delegation and like building an organization team that you
can trust to handle those kind of things.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Yeah, he definitely said that. How do you sum up
Parcels Jets era, it was becoming more professional outfit. Yeah,
they're good players there when he got there. Yeah, and
then he added some more, but it was about running
a professional program, which you know what that is is details,

(01:44:43):
it's work. It's like not losing a game, not losing
a game, seriously, not losing a practice. Yeah, no question.
Every day manters bear shaming guys out of the training room.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
That means that if if you can be out there practicing,
then be out there practicing like Rabel would do this
like you you didn't see it, but like there'd be
like some young guys in the training room, like you
get them out of there. You can't make the club
in the tub. Fact, you can't make the old club
in the tub.

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
After we're a bathing suit in the tub.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
Yes we I mean we have gray shorts. Oh my goodness,
communal shorts. You don't want to just be sitting in
the hot tub and all sudden, I.

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
Know, unless your name is Bill Belichick, Unless your name
is Bill Belichick. Right, and he left over questions, Jack,
I got a bunch, I got a million, but I'll
set on one.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
You got to get another plug for BC. We got
the whole thing. Billy. Oh, we gotta get Billy O
on too.

Speaker 5 (01:45:46):
You want to get on.

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
He talked about you all night.

Speaker 5 (01:45:49):
I still don't believe. I still don't believe.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
But he wor's Jack, I was next to I want
to believe.

Speaker 5 (01:45:56):
I love Bill Billet. We miss I almost said hey,
but we were in like room and it was awkward. Along.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
It's a long coffee break that I just took.

Speaker 5 (01:46:04):
All right, all right, last one there's it's Bill Belichick
has become sort of infamous for the postgame press conferences,
the on to Cincinnatis, the all of these these soundbites
that have like may taken on lives of their owns.
Is it true that, like from Cleveland and over the years,
you were sort of the Belichick whisper of how to

(01:46:25):
craft the news conference and to soften some of those
edges that may have been there in Cleveland?

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Probably probably some of that, okay, but not all Like, Okay,
Bill is Bill, Like we didn't rehearse, Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
I didn't know if there were coaching points on the media.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Yeah, there are some coaching points on you know, delivery.
Listen Bill's Bill in the end. But I think if
you watched the Cleveland version, the new England version probably
looks a little different.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
So what's he gonna look like in the next version?

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
I don't know, you know, what do you know? I
don't know? But what I do know? What do I
What do I want? I want to know?

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
What do you want to know? Let's just do a
little let's just do a little control, Let's do a
little what ifs. I know we don't have a big
in the what if game, but what a hypotheticals.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
What if the Dallas Cowboys go eleven and six South
losing the first round, fire the coaching staff bring in Belichick,
bringing Josh McDaniels, bringing Scott Pioli, and they have one
guy that they're calling, Hey, bears, are you gonna come
join us?

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Are you on that?

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
Are you are you gonna go on? Are you gonna
circle up with the wagon and.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
Go go Eagles? Listen? In January? Okay, look like there
was a decent chance he was going to Atlanta, like
some legitimate interviews, right, and then he didn't go to Atlanta.
Billy O'Brien was the offensive coordinator. Ohiose state? And now
is that b Sie? You don't know? It's going to

(01:48:00):
go so crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Tune Go Eagles, stay tuned, Go Eagles. Oh so oh,
this is so if Sirianni goes eleven and six and
they fired him after a first round EXO Boston College Eagle.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Est in College? What's the fight song? We have a
fight song. There's a fight song Billy loves to play
out of practice. Oh my god, I haven't learned the
whole thing yet, so I'm new, just trying to learn. Man, Jack,
where did we go, we missed anything.

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
We're pretty darn clean this episode. Thankfully. Charlie Wise did
indeed get his start in the Parcels regime with the
Jets back as a coaching assistant.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
Coaching assistant, So Charlie's office used to have. We used
to have an office dedicated to Charlie.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
If people had no idea, people had no idea, people
had no idea. It was just referred to as they
had no clues. He had never coached before because it
was years after he was gone. But it wouldn't go
me in Charlie's office. WILLI oh had Charlie's office? He
did for a while when I was there.

Speaker 4 (01:49:04):
Just said he had his own office where he would
blast John Mayer out of after our hard practice.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
Can you confirm that I had? I had a couple
offices bears.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Nos, love John Mayor, We love Mayor. We'll be right
back after this quick break. All right, let's name the game.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
This is a segment where we score the game, we
name the game, and uh, you're the guest, so we're
doing the name of the game. We have the Tuna Bowl,
we have the Tuna melt Down. Their return of the
Tuna Bill mcgeddon or the Spicy tunabl or anything that

(01:49:46):
you can think of. What is the name of this game?

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Week three ninety seven Jets Pats.

Speaker 6 (01:49:52):
Name of the game bears like the Tuna Bowl tunabyl
there it is the tune up Bowl, the Tuna Bowl.
Name co which is coming back and playing against his
former team. Let's score the game? Is this the greatest
game of all time? Let's score it?

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
Stakes one to ten decimal's okay, bears the stakes of
a week three game.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
Steaks because there are lots of different stakes. There's standings,
there's I'd say, oh, what's my what's my scoring system?
One to ten descinals?

Speaker 1 (01:50:25):
Okay, decimals one.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
There's some high stakes in this game. High one mean rible. Yeah,
I'm going nine nine steaks nice regular.

Speaker 5 (01:50:35):
Stakes high regular line but means very high.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
And then also the rule changes because of all the
contract tamp rings and this and that and can they go?

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
Is he the head coach? Is he not the I
mean this is a lot of a lot of snakes.

Speaker 4 (01:50:51):
Star Power Jewels had a six point nine jacket of
seven point three. I had a six point nine as well.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Okay, star Power okay. Hall of Fame coaches everywhere, coaches players,
it would be a maximum Hall of Fame players, Curtis Martin,
ty Law, Adam to be quarterback, you know, Drew Patriot
Hall of Famer, other tons of patrio. I'm going uh,
I'm gonna go nine as well.

Speaker 4 (01:51:14):
Yeah, Jewels, you had a seven point eight jacket, a
six point two.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Oh wow, seven. They're hard graders.

Speaker 4 (01:51:21):
Whether you just did a game with what twenty two
Hall of Famers, super Bowl nine versus Vikings.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
Game, Player of the game, little sloppy six turnovers, but
it was for the viewer kind of fun, especially nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
I'll go I'll go lower on that one. Let's go
six six.

Speaker 4 (01:51:39):
Jewels had a seven point seven. Jack had a seven
point ninety seven point six.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
And the name of the game the Tuna Bowl. That's
a classic classic name because you know, you know it's
a good name when there's they actually named, you know,
have sequels Tuna two three, like they had other ones.
So I'll go, uh, eight and a half on this one,
eight and a half. Yeah, he's Jewels with an eighth.

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
Yeah, say Jack with an eight point nine and myself
with line.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
A seven to seven to one. Where's that stand in
our games that puts us okay to.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
Above another Jets Patriots game that can't wait game.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
Can Rich Eisen he wanted, he requested that game, Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
It's a bad game. He's a Jet fan.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
Because of that, I had to tell his sweet beautiful
wife that I will not come over for Shabbat dinner
because he requested this this dinner.

Speaker 5 (01:52:31):
We don't forget for this game. We don't forget.

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
It's also just behind, only one hundredth of a point
behind the Super Bowl twenty one Giants versus Broncos Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
Do we miss anything? I think I think you covered
it pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
Do we cover it pretty good? Or is there something
else just sticking in that sponge of a brain you have?

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
We plugged. Maybe I'll be back. You never know. You
know you're coming back.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
And if you're happy, we got something to plug other
than Boston.

Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
One more thing is we're talking about Boston College. I'm
a big Virginia Tech guy. Is the ACC gonna make it?
What's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
He'll make it? I mean the a C look sec
and and no, it's still football revenue whatever, it's eighty
percent or more like Okay, I'm just married. But in
terms of revenues and all that. The third behind of
like thirty conferences. It's behind a big ten of the
a SEC with a longer TV contract. So ACC is

(01:53:27):
not going anywhere. I don't think. I don't. Obviously we will.
There's a lot still to be ironed out here, but
I think they're on the right Jack, Charlie Breaker, Charlie Baker, Baby,
Charlie Baker.

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
It's an ECC podcast, I'm gonna say, Charley, Jack disagrees.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Okay, you see what else?

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
A lot of good things going on there, A lot
of great things at Boston College.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Yeah, coming to what else? We got some Armenia updates.
We don't want to go there going it'll be it'll
be powerful, it would be very powerful. Yeah, there's a
lot of a lot of unfortunate things happen over there.
A lot of you get that don't get the publicity
that other crises get. It's too bad. It is a
bigger fish to fry in this world at times. But

(01:54:09):
our meetings are very resilient. But we are recognizing that
here on Games with Names. Thank you, we are a
right big deal. Bill.

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
We love you, Bears love you, and I appreciate you
coming on. It's it's been awesome to pick your brain
in a different way than I usually do, just walking
by your office and drawing a little picture on your
your whiteboard or something.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
He did, he did, You know what? My a favorite one.
So there's a whiteboard in the hallway for whatever, announcements
or whatever, and it's usually like official, thanks, okay, except
for except for this guy. I would put other things,
like there was a time when everybody was moaning about
like publicly media. You know, things are too hard at
the Patriots, no one has fun, blah blah blah. One day,

(01:54:59):
what's the message? Winning is fun? Winning is fun.

Speaker 5 (01:55:03):
Put that on a T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:55:05):
Winning is fun makes everything else worth it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
And then I went away from my four game vacation
and I came back. He was still there, and it
stayed on that board all year long.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
We went and won a super Bowl. That was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
Parades are fun. Hell yeah, right out here, right out here.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:55:24):
All right, Thanks bro, Appreciate you, bears, love you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
Thanks. Guys. Talk about a mythical character, old Bear.

Speaker 5 (01:55:34):
What a guy, What a guy, What a guy. He's
one of those guys you only hear about. And he's
referencing stories and he's right. We've heard about him a
lot in our our Patriots episodes this season. Now putting
a face to the name and a name to the
Lord's that was awesome. What a treat.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
It was awesome to get him to come in here.
And I know he he was pretty excited about this.
He always talks. He always like dms me on Instagram
and stuff. Like the guy who used to pretty much
watch all of Instagram. To have him like actually comment
on like something good about our Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Pretty cool. I like that or TikTok or whatever it
is social, but uh, it was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
And I actually got a chance to go talk to
the BC football team, uh and it with Billy O'Brien
and Bears there and then talk to their whole football team,
and it was It was pretty cool. A bunch of
hungry guys and you get to tell them some of
the stories and some of the things that helped me

(01:56:36):
along my football career. Anytime you get to do that
to a younger group, future generation, it you know, it
makes you feel young.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
I didn't get to watch practice, but there's some big
guys in there.

Speaker 5 (01:56:51):
We didn't we didn't have an Applewood situation. Did we No,
that was Billy not Applewood situation. I know Billy coach O'Bryant.
They're gonna do good. You know, Billy O's a smart
football coach. He's passionate and uh, from just seeing the
looks in these guys eyes, you can always kind of
tell who's who's who's looking at the guy and you know,

(01:57:14):
I've been in a couple of plays all this guy,
what do we even hear for?

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
You know, they were all pretty dialed and glued, you know,
so it was cool to see them.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
It was awesome to campus is beautiful there, it's beautiful campus.

Speaker 4 (01:57:26):
Excited to see what Bill does.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
Me too, Billy O, Bears, that was That was a
fun day.

Speaker 5 (01:57:33):
I think they're turning us into be BC fans. We
got to come back and when they're playing, I'm down.

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
He's so sweet.

Speaker 5 (01:57:40):
Those are two guys. Those guys are guys who want
to root for. Granted we're Patriots rummers, but Bears and
Billy ore just awesome dudes.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Awesome dude, awesome guys. I love Billy.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
Oh's a huge part of you know, me being in
the league and having the success that I had he
I mean he was Him and Chaddie O'Shea were the
first people that Bill laid some tape on the desk
and said, give me a write up on this kid.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
He reminded me today that it wasn't for being a quarterback.
He reminded me, Man.

Speaker 5 (01:58:10):
It was so cool to get to see Billy O
at uh at Brady Night too. He's just he's a fan.
He's a great love.

Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
He like came up to me and was like, I
love the show. It's anything okay, No, I was even
listening to Baron Davis like he's like trying to say
how much of a head he was so like he
was like, what am I gonna be on the show?
So well, have to find a time. We'll get him
to the show.

Speaker 5 (01:58:29):
Man, I would do anything for BILLYO on the shows.
He was so had such kind words to say to us,
and it was I was I was tickled to get
to hear how how much of a fan he was.
And it was really embarrassing you look up to saying
he's a fan of us. Yeah, what you say about Bear?

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
Sorry?

Speaker 4 (01:58:42):
And it was this was a great episode, you know, Yeah,
I love that he gave us some stuff, but he
didn't give us everything. You know, he still was buttoned up.
He told some stories here that you probably wouldn't have
got when he was still with the Patriots, but he
didn't tell everything.

Speaker 5 (01:58:56):
I liked that, and then I gotta I got a
quick jack correction from this episode. I believe I failed
to mention a big part of this game. Hugh Douglas,
the Jets best pass rusher, was out this game with
a groin injury. So that was a big storyline. Headed
Oh I forgot to touch on that. Oh God, thank
you Douglas, maybe Division two guy, great pass rusher. I

(01:59:17):
failed to mention that in the lead up, and it's
been eating at me ever since.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
Well, we were were happy you got it cleared up.

Speaker 5 (01:59:23):
Thank you, Thank you. Man. I just I it's some
nostalgia for this era of football. Starter polo shirts, pleated khakis,
guys coaches with big got a history in this game.
It was great. What a great choice by by Bears.
That was That was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
It was awesome. But now let's hit the old hot line.

Speaker 1 (01:59:41):
And I remember and remember that number is four two
four two nine two nine zero.

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
Hit the old hot line. Let's see what we got.

Speaker 7 (01:59:51):
Yo was what's a Buffalo bluer right here? Big seven
one six head? Honestly, even though you would player, I gotta.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
Say, I love the podcast, I love the story.

Speaker 7 (02:00:04):
You gotta talk about a man. If I had one person,
I request you have on the who you have Freddy
Frad or try to get Freddy fred on their Big
twenty two.

Speaker 2 (02:00:15):
I grew up watching that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Man.

Speaker 7 (02:00:17):
I feel like you two will be able to talk
about all of the nice Bill games, Bill Petriots games
that I have back then, yeah, playing out Orchard Park especially.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
He can talk about some one of.

Speaker 7 (02:00:28):
The Miami games, and then y'all I can probably talk
about that too, because Miami in that division two. All right,
just keep it up to appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
Is this a Bill's Mafia fan calling in?

Speaker 5 (02:00:39):
I think so we're even converting Bill's Mafia to be
games with name SAIDs.

Speaker 2 (02:00:43):
I like that. I always love the Bill Mafias of
the Bill's Mafia.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
And anytime I go anywhere, if I'm at like a
sporting event thing, I end up hanging a Buffalo fan
is always like hanging heckling me. But honestly, awesome dudes
or ladies, you know, I had there's a guy with
his wife. We were at something for the win, and
like we were sitting next to each other, and I
feel like it's either a Boston there's always either non

(02:01:09):
Boston fans that like hang out will have like Bill's
Ma Mafia, and there's always like a Philly person.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (02:01:15):
Randomly I was skiing somewhere or snowboarding somewhere and ended
up hanging out.

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
With this Philly guy.

Speaker 1 (02:01:21):
Hated me for the first two seconds, but then opens
up like the greatest dude ever, you know. But we
gotta get Freddie Fred Is he talking about Fred Jackson?

Speaker 5 (02:01:31):
I think so. That took me a second.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
Yes, Fred Jackson. I mean he was a really good
football player running back.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
He tore us up.

Speaker 1 (02:01:38):
Remember Bill always giving him great highlights, Like Bill would
always give like a twelve thirteen play cut up on
the running backs for the Buffalo Bills. How they didn't
always get the highest recognition, but they were always just
the toughest, toughest guys.

Speaker 4 (02:01:54):
We gotta do a Bills game where they win. We've
done a couple of them with it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:57):
We definitely gotta get a bit. We gotta give some
some wins.

Speaker 5 (02:02:01):
Man Fred Jackson of co College and see the Rapids.
Iowa love that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
Yeah, D three.

Speaker 5 (02:02:07):
We also got to get Fred Taylor, speaking of Freddy,
Fred's on.

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
That's where I thought Fred Taylor.

Speaker 5 (02:02:12):
And then I put the context clues of Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
Now we'll we'll have to get him on.

Speaker 5 (02:02:16):
I'm down.

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
We appreciate the call. Blu Ray Buffalo Buffalo Blue Ray.

Speaker 5 (02:02:21):
Not to be confused with DVD player Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
Yeah, you guys, Luk here from California.

Speaker 4 (02:02:27):
I just want to say, been a very good podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:02:30):
With these last few episodes, Bangers.

Speaker 5 (02:02:32):
One game I would like you guys to go over
is the Bills versus the Chiefs the Divisional round game
in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
That must be the greatest.

Speaker 7 (02:02:44):
Playoff game I have ever seen.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
What do you guys think?

Speaker 7 (02:02:48):
Very high game of point, very good back and forth
versus the great Josh Allen and the great Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
I think it will be a very good episode to
hear on either the Bills side or from the chief side.

Speaker 4 (02:03:01):
All in all, a very good game appreciated.

Speaker 1 (02:03:04):
Think again, Luke, you're one hundred percent correct. That's a
that's a phenomenal game. That game revolutionized you know a
lot of what the league's gone into. That was the
game We're thirteen or whatever how many seconds. You know
how explosive the league has gotten. And it's because of
Patrick Mahomes. Guys like Patrick Mahomes and guys like Josh

(02:03:26):
Allen who just they're never out of it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:29):
That that that is going to be on the show.
We just got to dial out who we're going to
put up on there.

Speaker 4 (02:03:37):
I think this is our one of our most requested
games outside of the USC Texas game. I think this
is maybe the second most requested.

Speaker 5 (02:03:44):
Game that game is. It still just baffles me that
we had a game that good, that was incredible, incredible.

Speaker 4 (02:03:51):
I know that, Like I'm like a wet blanket guy.
It's my whole thing. I hated this game. I hate
that it was just like basketball at the end, like
it was just like, oh, who's going to have the balls?
Is gonna score? All offense? Defense might not even play,
So I know, I'm I know, I'm like the wet
blanket annoying guy here. And I'd love to do this
game because it's fun to talk about, but I personally
don't love this game.

Speaker 5 (02:04:10):
That's even such a good game we man forget the
guys from each side on if we could, if we
could somehow that team, it's it's a must do. We
gotta do it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:18):
I would love to hear their perspective of going into
those last drives and you know, just what what were
the coaches saying?

Speaker 4 (02:04:25):
Also like the balls on my homes Like thirteen seconds,
I was like, yeah, I got this, we got this,
we got this.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
Yeah, and didn't turn out good for them as we
just had went for one. We gotta get it. We
gotta get some more wins for the bill.

Speaker 4 (02:04:38):
That's the bills, like right there, the next one.

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
We got the nice tea up Kai.

Speaker 5 (02:04:42):
Oh sorry I put him in that order, Jack Mercy,
I'm just twisting the knife for Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (02:04:48):
I'm sorry, guys, but boys down in Texas actually driving
to a rodeo, appreciate you all. The y'all show passing
my time in the truck and getting horses ready on
a daily basis.

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
It's awesome to listen to I.

Speaker 3 (02:05:02):
Hear everyone just guys throwing. Another option is like having
guys like at the NFR, which is the National Finals
rodeo on the pod. Got like guys like Cody Ole
who he needed, he needed a good run to win
the world title. Goes take four, break the world record
fastest tied out opening ever that happened. When's the world title?

(02:05:26):
I mean, there's so many stories in the NFR and
Rodeo that you could uh that you could come up
with names fo so many big times where guys stepped
up and did their things. So I think that's another
option to go uh and branch out and see more athletes. Man,
I appreciate the show, guys, Thank.

Speaker 2 (02:05:42):
You Texas call.

Speaker 5 (02:05:45):
I love this.

Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
We got to get a rodeo.

Speaker 5 (02:05:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:05:48):
I remember once Scott who was it, Scott Eastwood, we
were talking about something.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
He's like, yeah, bro, you got to come out to
the PVR. I'm like, what fock's pr is? Clint Eastwood? Sun?

Speaker 1 (02:05:59):
Yeah, some I guess he's a big rodeo guy. That's
the that's the league name PBR.

Speaker 5 (02:06:05):
I believe Ribbon Yeah or.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
PBR.

Speaker 5 (02:06:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:06:11):
He said other stuff I didn't understand, but I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
Yeah, but no, we gotta definitely get it would be
so cool to get a rodeo guy in here.

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
I mean, I'll watch it here and there on like
some of the sport networks.

Speaker 5 (02:06:22):
Oh yeah, I watched Yellows. I mean on Yellowstone. They
show a little they got you know, they're doing a
little bit of that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
Those those guys are nuts, certifiable, real men, tough guys.

Speaker 4 (02:06:31):
You know, we could go back to our origins where
you get like the competitors and we get a guy
in a bull.

Speaker 2 (02:06:37):
Would just sit a bull in here?

Speaker 5 (02:06:39):
Dude, how how long? How long do you think either
you could realistically last on a bull. I'm not no
mechanical joint.

Speaker 2 (02:06:48):
I don't know, man, probably not long.

Speaker 4 (02:06:51):
I'm not getting on it in the first place.

Speaker 5 (02:06:54):
I'm probably not either. I'm I'm a post.

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:06:56):
You ever heard mutton busting yello?

Speaker 5 (02:06:58):
Yeah, mutton busting a little eyes on the little uh sheep.

Speaker 4 (02:07:02):
It's like bull riding for kids, except for they just
grab on the sheep and they just see all them.

Speaker 5 (02:07:07):
They can hang on.

Speaker 4 (02:07:08):
I can try that, you'd be great.

Speaker 5 (02:07:10):
I literally just saw who was it?

Speaker 1 (02:07:14):
Recently? Someone jumped on a bull and like did some
creat like bare backed it? It was some dude looked
like he was hammered. Did you say that video? Didn't
I send it to the group or something.

Speaker 5 (02:07:23):
Oh, I don't like, I don't know well you don't want, man,
come on. I don't know if I remember that one,
But did you see the one where the bull got
out and was like out by the concession stand bucking
dudes like and then they just kept going on with
the rodeo. He got loose from the ring and was
out by the concessions.

Speaker 1 (02:07:39):
Now they send a couple of dudes to the hospital
when you when you buy a ticket to one of those,
I bet you it's in the small print. You get
bucked by a bull at the concessions.

Speaker 5 (02:07:47):
I will not sue. I will get you're good, Yeah,
freak out with each goring. I would I would say
I would like to go to a rodeo and and
maybe steal a little rodeo valor get the belt buckle
out o nice bill, twelve gallon hat.

Speaker 2 (02:08:06):
I would love to go to.

Speaker 1 (02:08:07):
We gotta we should do like a We should go
to a rodeo. You got to experience it before I
bring a guy on. Yes, yes, rodeo guy.

Speaker 2 (02:08:15):
Probably.

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
I mean this guy's dropping names. The guy broke a
world record. I can't have this guy on without experience, right.

Speaker 2 (02:08:22):
We gotta see it.

Speaker 5 (02:08:23):
I've never been to one in person, have you guys.

Speaker 2 (02:08:26):
I've been to something.

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
When I was a kid, there used to be a
Fourth of July rodeo in Woodside, California. I think I
went to that once. There's like a little horse community
up up tight. Not like I'm not like, I don't know,
but yeah, we gotta.

Speaker 5 (02:08:42):
Maybe maybe take friend of the show, Dola, even Dola,
maybe show us around.

Speaker 2 (02:08:48):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (02:08:49):
I think Dola has like three or four friends that
just like are in rodeos.

Speaker 5 (02:08:53):
Maybe that's yeah, Scott Eastwood, we love you, but maybe
the looking or our friend here, dude, we like this guy.

Speaker 1 (02:09:01):
He's just about to load some horses, listening to Games
with Names, listening to Jack Glaze up some horses right now.

Speaker 4 (02:09:11):
We had a post guest segment at one point that
was going to be the coolest horse names for the
Kentucky Derby. I think I got cut.

Speaker 5 (02:09:17):
Oh that was a good one.

Speaker 4 (02:09:18):
I have to wait till next.

Speaker 5 (02:09:19):
Oh man, I do like that. I like I like it,
like romanticizing this guy's life of like the sun sitting
out in Texas and he's loading up the trailer and
Games with Names is cranked up on the Big fourd
F three point fifty.

Speaker 2 (02:09:31):
This duly.

Speaker 4 (02:09:32):
I like that.

Speaker 5 (02:09:33):
That's a cool life.

Speaker 8 (02:09:34):
And as he goes to press play on the old
tape set, he reaches in his back pocket, pulls out
a little as we like to call it, God's dirt.
That's right to ride it in his lip gets home
with this day one listens to games with names in
the background.

Speaker 5 (02:09:51):
Oh yeah, boys, this week they got bears are cow boys?
Hear that new one? But that says Marilla.

Speaker 2 (02:10:02):
Yeah, I don't know why. Anytime I drink everyone thinks
I'm from Texas?

Speaker 5 (02:10:09):
Did they really?

Speaker 4 (02:10:11):
I just got a little pop eye, a little bit of.

Speaker 5 (02:10:17):
See on the dusty trail, No Francisco area.

Speaker 2 (02:10:22):
Where are you from, Texas? I hear to the Colm Valley. Yeah,
little place where the horses go wild.

Speaker 1 (02:10:31):
It's a place called Mountain View, right next to Hewlett Packer.

Speaker 4 (02:10:41):
Last one's tools shown here.

Speaker 3 (02:10:44):
Hey, I'll be at the live broadcasts and of games
with names at the end of August and Boston.

Speaker 1 (02:10:50):
I have a proposition for you.

Speaker 4 (02:10:53):
You get the legendary Randy moss on.

Speaker 3 (02:10:57):
Before then I will come on, say agent, let you
punched me in the stage.

Speaker 7 (02:11:02):
I would love to hear which to thank thanks.

Speaker 1 (02:11:04):
Rules I don't know if I can get that done,
this proposition, this is yeah, dude, I'll let you punch
me in the face.

Speaker 5 (02:11:15):
In front of the entire Wilbur crowd, a sold out
Wilbur just committing assault.

Speaker 4 (02:11:21):
He'll sign a release.

Speaker 5 (02:11:23):
You think we give him headgear? No headgear.

Speaker 2 (02:11:26):
I don't want to break my hand. No.

Speaker 4 (02:11:27):
I think Jack has to punch him.

Speaker 5 (02:11:28):
Twelve em one or two boxing classes with jewels down
in Santa Monica. I could, I could throw a little
weight into it.

Speaker 2 (02:11:36):
I still need a lot more.

Speaker 5 (02:11:38):
I don't know. I do like the tone of this
guy of Sean was very ominous. I'll be at the
live show in Boston like it was ominous and a
little threatening. I kind of like it. A little joker is.

Speaker 3 (02:11:50):
What if?

Speaker 5 (02:11:50):
But what if we don't get Randy anything?

Speaker 2 (02:11:55):
We didn't really tell them we don't get Randy. I
guess it just makes the show worse.

Speaker 4 (02:12:02):
Our producer Leah was getting buddy buddy with Randy's wife
at the celebration.

Speaker 1 (02:12:08):
I'm telling you, for us to get Randy, we have
to because he only travels just to do probably the show.

Speaker 2 (02:12:14):
I think he's on, you know the end. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:12:18):
Other than that, I think Randy literally just fishes all day.
So we have to do games with names on like
a fishing boat, and I'm talking like lake fishing, so
it's gonna be very tight.

Speaker 4 (02:12:27):
I'm done for that. We'll get practice when we do
Bill in Nantucket on a fishing boat?

Speaker 1 (02:12:32):
Are we doing Bill in Nantucket in the fishing boat?

Speaker 4 (02:12:34):
And we're gonna try.

Speaker 2 (02:12:37):
Anywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:12:38):
Every time I ask Bill, you know, he just keeps
on giving me some I'm like, he keeps on asking
how much money? Yeah, I go, Bill, this isn't how
podcasting works. It's literally like friendy friend.

Speaker 5 (02:12:52):
All right, Johnny Manziel doing the freaking He's.

Speaker 1 (02:12:55):
Giving me money signs like john Johnny Manziel, Like, Bill,
you think he'd just beat all the all the years
that I took those shitty fucking contracts where you bullied
me into taking. How about you take that money and
just keep it in your head and say, oh, this
is what I'm going on to games and names for.

Speaker 5 (02:13:11):
We offer prove it deals over here.

Speaker 2 (02:13:12):
How about that? Yeah, we offer proof this is a
proven deal.

Speaker 4 (02:13:16):
Minimum.

Speaker 2 (02:13:17):
You're getting a league minimum thirteen.

Speaker 3 (02:13:21):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:13:22):
But I tell Bill all the time, like he's like,
are we good now? I'm like when have we ever
been bad? And as I'm walking away, I go, Bill,
you can't pick your family.

Speaker 2 (02:13:33):
You can't pick your family. He's just like, oh my god.

Speaker 5 (02:13:38):
They speaking of Randy. Did you guys get to share
an embrace at the at the Brady Night.

Speaker 2 (02:13:42):
Yeah, we were. We went pre pre stage.

Speaker 5 (02:13:45):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (02:13:47):
We were just talking about what we were he was.
We were all just talking about like what we would
probably get into. I love that we took a picture.

Speaker 5 (02:13:55):
I almost cried when they gave Randy.

Speaker 2 (02:13:58):
Yeah, it was. I mean it's deserved.

Speaker 1 (02:14:02):
It's all time great, not just for the Patriots, for
the world.

Speaker 4 (02:14:06):
Yeah, all right, wrap this up, we'll clip this put
on social media. Everyone tag Randy Moss. We'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 (02:14:12):
Yeah, everyone's gonna tag Randy straight cash straight, tag homieg homie. Well,
what a game, what a what an episode? Thanks again
to Bears. That's been another episode of Games with Names.
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