Ep. 33: Jamie Davis on Soul Gravy, Touring with Luke Combs, and a Zombie Buck

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
What's something. You're out in God's Country with Breed and
also known as the Brother's Home when we take a
weekly drive to the intersection of country music and the
great outdoors, two things that go together like Jamie Davis,
soul Grave.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Boys, Bumpy Roads in the State of Mississippi, brought to
you by iHeart and Meetied Podcasts.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
We've got a brother from another mother on the couch today.
We go way back. Dan and Jamie were in a
band together for a bunch of years and and some
of my first road experiences were on a van with
these guys, going and watching them play gigs and figuring
out cutting my teeth on stage and let me sing
some songs every now and then.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, man, there was anybody there to watch us for
the first couple of years, but that that changed, so uh.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
And man has just been there with us and through
our whole journey through Nashville and we we you know,
we have some success with him, wrote our my first hit,
his first hit together, kind of Love, We mate with
lou and just getting to chase the stream together. It's
been awesome. We're gonna talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
If you want a deep dive on on how songwriting
works in the pursuit of it. You're gonna get it
in this in this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Uh, he's a hit songwriting stadium guitar.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Playing slinger, A bit of a guitar slinger.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah. Mister Jamie Davis from Mississippi, al love this one.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Good hair, good hair, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
That's right. Thanks for hanging out with us. Go follow,
go watch YouTube, Go subscribe, like go, like everything, and
hopefully knew Guy Ray got this all recorded. He didn't
get our last intro recorded.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
One was better.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Thanks for hanging out Guy's Country. I hope you enjoyed
the podcast. You kick this off, bro, you this is
this is your boy, brow your boy. This is absolutely
my boy. But I can live with you for college
and you usually started this guy has molded part of
your life. Yeah you so you started, mister Jamie Davis.

(02:01):
We're all out of swords this morning where it's like
nine forty five, we're supposed to be here. Now, what
time do you get here?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
We were here, me and Jamie were here.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
How did you miss all that traffic?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
I went right through it. I thought you were ahead
of me.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I'm not sure that I know how I beat y'all.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Here Jamie Davis on the couch in case we didn't
intro him fast enough. Your listeners out.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
There, Mississippi. Boy, Yeah in the state, brand on the chick.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Y'all like it takes me forty five minutes to get
here or whatever. I'm like, it takes me three hours.
Not today, but because I stayed I stayed closer to
town last night.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
But yeah, you're still commuting, man.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, you know, I lived here for a while. We
came up we moved to Nashville together kind of thing.
And and when Marie and I got pregnant, we we
went back home. All our families down there, you know.
So it's all our all of our safety needed is
right there in North Alabama, North Mississippi. So yeah, so yeah,

(02:56):
I come up here and work do the thing like
y'all do.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
But yeah, we're well, we'll we'll get into that, man,
j D. And both of us go Me and Dan
both go way back. But Jamie was was one of
your first literally first friends, and in college that gave
you the fastest way.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I know how to run this down is that I moved.
We both had music scholarships at a at a community
college there in North Missississsissippi. That was actually Jamie's hometown.
I was an hour from my hometown. So when I
moved in.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Out campus country campus country.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, and uh we did intros. Do I remember intros?
What song? I remember you playing a song and being
like that, dude is cool?

Speaker 3 (03:44):
I think I did, like Toby Key, sorry, try out?
Was it when country comes to town?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Is that? Tobe?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's when country comes.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Any questions, it's almost I remember the first time I
ever saw you in those first those first the first
days you had the it was almost like and this
is not a shot at you, this is just I'm
just telling a great hair.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I don't care, but but it's like, yes, great hair.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
He had long, long hair, but it's like he put
a hat on his lowsy cuts swooping and then like
hair dried and like blew it around. It was like
it was like the sweep.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
The bats, the baseball hat, sweet swoop before it was cool,
it was cool.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, yeah, it was the rips up before your your
hair stuff catches up with country music. You know, It's
like you were was still in high school baseball player mode.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, yeah, you know the pearl snap you have the
pearl Snap, the faded you know, faded jeans with the
rips and cowboy boots. Man he was, he was. It
was country cool dude.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
So we both got it scholarship to go there and
do this uh class, which is actually really cool. You
would get college credit for basically gigging, Yeah, singing and
playing and uh. Jerry Reins came to Savannah where all from,
and presumed me with the scholarship there. It was awesome.
I was like, I can't know this is happening, went northeast,

(05:06):
but it's still kind of nervous, like just because I mean,
I didn't know anybody. I didn't know he sold it
not a soul. One other person from my town was
in the group, so I guess I knew them. But
immediately me and Jamie just kind of it came friend.
You know what's really funny is the other day, Jordan

(05:27):
goes to Costco. We don't have a membership, so we
cheated so Jordan will pick up like, they have these
these chicken nuggets that my kids love that are way
better than anything you can get at Kroger. It's the
exact ones that your mom used to cook us. You
remember we used to go to your mom's chicken jocks.
It is the.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah they're still good.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
It's still really good. Yeah. I had to back off, man,
instead of cooking like ten, you had to cook at
four otherwise I'll smoke them. Anyway. That's how long me
and James go. Do you remember any of our first
like hangouts, Like I remember that class we ran.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
We had a class together, and then I'm gonna be honest,
I don't think it was like I remember a month
or so in the end of the thing us writing
a song on the table at my mom's house.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Really.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, they're not so perfect, man, Yeah, but that was
like we were we were in eighteen or nineteen. Oh yeah,
I remember that we had been we hadn't been friends
probably really that was the first song with a month
where we wrote a song.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I just remember it being pretty immediate, Like it wasn't
like I remember us fishing, like we were fishing your
grandass pond, like I mean first week of school or something.
It was quick.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
I got a fishing story. I tell a lot about
y'all's dad. Do you remember us going to catching? I
guess y'all probably done this a bunch where we caught
like some crawt baby crawfish or something. We're catching stripes. Yes, yeah, yeah,
you probably you were there, but you took me. We're like, man,
I got this spot, we can go catch a much
fish whatever. So we get We went and got the
stuff from your dad's house and he was like, now y'all,

(07:10):
don't catch but one bucket of fish that'll feed all
of us or whatever. And you and I went and
we caught crawfish. We went down there and started fishing,
and we were it was like by this old restaurant
maybe or something. Yeah, and we were on the rocks
and we started smoking them and we just kept.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Just kept were supposed to do, not fish.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I don't know what the limit was. I'm sure we
got we just had one limit apiece, I'm sure exactly
either whatever it was, whatever it was, we didn't stop.
However many crawfish we had we caught, which was a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, and you rip them up, so you one crawfish
was pretty much to fish, dude, the bottom of it.
But I remember we end when we long that, and
you were like, I mean, I was like, we finish
catch him, and you're like, I mean, if you can fish,
you can catch.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Them, and I was like, who is this if I
can fish? So he started sticking. Oh dude, we started
sticking with always like respect. He was like, he started ripping.
I was like, okay, so he can fish and I started.
He was like, oh he can fish a little bit too,
So we start.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
When you take guy fishing, yeah, absolutely, But dude, we
brought back two or three buckets of fish and your
dad was hot.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
He was like, he was like, boys, I told y'all
one bucket of fish, defeat us, have fish for us.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
After or something. And we but we, uh, he's gonna
clean all this. Oh he made us, he said. So
now he said, now y'all sit here and clean every
single one of these.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's like taking a guy fishing is kind of like
like playing golf with the guy for the first time,
Like you like you see a swing and your leader
like this guy knows what he's doing, like he's played before,
or man, it's gonna be a long day because we
about it. He's about a hacking around the course.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Man. I always say this, it's like an immediate like
you know where you stand with somebody when he's got it.
When you're throwing a spin, care cast and he's got
it flipped over doing that.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
You're like, hey, man, if you if you're fishing with
spin cast out there, flip flip it.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
A buzz bait. If you're throwing I mean, uh sorry,
bake casting, bait caster. You're throwing a bait caster. You
real with your left hand.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well some of them real with the right. Yeah, you
can flip.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh that's true, that is true. Yeah, I have one
that does that. Yeah, but anyway, spin cast is on
your left, well some some go with right. It's on
your left though, but you can switch. You can splitch.
A spin supposed to be under either way.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Its supposed to be honest, it ain't all right.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Spin Yeah. If you see a guy doing this with
a spind.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
It correcting, man, flip it over.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Te him.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
It was that day.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
The respect thing was like again, we were uh cleaning
those fish. It was like your dad was told us
come over and he came over and checked on this
and we were slapping and he's like, well, these guys,
this guy's just wasn't a very good punishment. These guys,
these guys clean all these fish in ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
They like fish and people hate them stripe. But if
you get them good and clean, and they're good fish. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Well, it's not it's not a stripe. It's it's it's
like a it's like a white mass, is what it is.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Like a hybrid?

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, rock bass.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I heard them call so many different things.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Those days, Man, some of the best days of fishing
in my life. We're on that bank ripping those fish out.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
That was a particularly good and you can catch.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
It when that eddie was coming around that turn, and
that that just that bait ball was sitting there spinning.
Bro throw out the legs and you throw it deep,
pull it up that lead and you better so you
better get ready.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
There's some dudes in Savannah and Corn that are.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Like, I can't believe they're putting.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, yeah, it's well.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
I was like, dang, I gonna have to show now.
I got to show this guy fishing spot. Yeah you
know what I mean. Yeah, gave up one for me
and I was like, oh, I've never been back. That's
the only time I ever been there.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Showing brush pile and base springs probably probably or just taking.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Them out of the basketball.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm telling you that we used to do that. I mean,
I used to live for that. Time of year to
go do that. But now it's like, I don't even
know if you so. The way the whole setup, which
is really fun, it's kind of it's kind of an event,
which made it fun because like you had to get
this crawfish rake, then you had to like kind of
trespass onto these river bottom places.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
To they're kind of like roads.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
It was really now we were absolutely on someone else's
land without permission. But it wasn't really trust.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
But everybody rake crawfish out of those, and everybody knew
that the holes you went down to.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
And man the good ones. To me, the size was
about the size. If you could get a crawfish about
the size of your fingernail, dude, you could murk.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
The small of your fingernail.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, dude, the smaller crawfish the better, if you want
to know the truth.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
I mean if you could use a whole one, if
you could stick a hole one on there, you're definitely
If it was.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Big, we were just terrible half just tail you a head.
I mean, god, that was some.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
It was fun. We used to I mean, even living
up here when it was when it was right, we
would drive down and spend.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
The night night, so we would do it. We did
it a couple of times. I hadn't done it in
ten years.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
No, no, no, I'm not saying. I mean we should definitely
go do that. Our lives have come way way farther
than that.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Now.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, household days, dude, Jordan looked. Last night, she showed
me a video of like this, like this, it was
like this influencer. She was like, come check out the
houseboat I live on. Of course, it looks like a
million dollar spread in this house boat. And she's got a.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Tough the size of yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
And she she was and Jordan was like, yeah. She
sent Dan's wife a text and said, I bet this
is what house bowl. I was like, I was like,
pull up hype in Google nineteen eighty nine, thirty seven
foot Carver and she did bro and she started flipping
through there and man, it was nostalgic.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Dude, it's crazy, that's been ten And I told you,
I was like.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
She was like, I was like, we lived in I
was like, that was my room, the the hole of
that boat was my room for four years. And she
pulled up a picture and there was those little bitty
kubbies under the thing and there was a little ass
claw like little it was like I called it a closet,
but it was like it held a fire extinguisher, like
literally that that was the purpose of it.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
And I stay on the several nights I cut down
a rod for a for a hanging up and I
had like seven things in there hung up as tied
and everybody it was crazy.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
It must have been so fun, and there were times
when it was fun, but everything kind of always smelled
like diesel or our old or mold or sewage. It's
like you just couldn't get away from the boat stinky.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well, that's what I told Jordan. I was like, man,
I was like for four years, that's fourteen hundred days
almost that we lived on that boat. And I was like, man,
I really I loved it till I didn't love it
like I loved it up until the day like I figured,
I was like, oh, man, I gotta do something different.
At that point, it was like, all right, we got
to get.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Off this boat. I'm glad we got off the boat,
but man, good days. Jamie spent some nights out there, dude.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
I spent some nights on the songs on that thing. Sure,
I have to have some direct TV up out there
one day and something else.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, we have you put the DIRECTORV in.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, well I help y'all put a directory or something.
It never worked while I was there, but that's probably
because I used to find hook it.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah. I used to pull Like if you saw a
better direct TV box on the side of the road
that somebody fell out of somebody, just a look and
grab and go there and put it on the boat.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, Yeah, we get mad sometimes, JD. We get mad
and glad.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
This morning, I can go either way.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Uh, I'm I'm I mean, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Mad, but I got a thing.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
What too mad?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Just tell us what it is?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
What's you mad?

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Is it you in lost? Kids?

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Might be your boss man? Oh your neighbors care?

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Tell us what you mad?

Speaker 1 (14:56):
A I wasn't. I'm not like mad these days, but
I'm just a little chippy. I wanted to look at
trail camera pictures this morning. Got on my trail camera app.
Three of the cameras of the seven cameras, I got out.
Need firmware updates and quit taking pictures. And that's what

(15:18):
I'm just a little bit like, dude, do one firmware
update and then when it's working, just leave it. Just
leave it alone. Just leave it alone. Cell Phone cameras, man,
because you want I mean, and right now you know
deer growing into your you can kind of tell what
they're going to become. And but you can't if your
cell phone cameras don't work. And then you got to

(15:39):
go out there. Most of them some like highalute cameras
that cost seven hundred dollars. You can hit the firmware
update on your phone. It'll update on the thing real. Yeah,
no update from like the next connection, but nothing on that.
I hear the fourteen, the fourteen ones I got. You
got to go out to the I think.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
We as a podcast could probably get a heavy consensus
on try real cameras to to kind of dwindle it
down to the ones that really work. So if you're
using a camera that you love and it's awesome, just
drop a little comment or something. Man.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Everybody says the reveal is really great. Tax cam, Yeah,
attack cam, I've heard that too.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
They're getting good reviews. I'm mad at deodorant that doesn't
have the aluminum stuff in it. Okay, and here's why,
because I don't like the I'm not like the old spots.
Cat dude, it rips my armpits up right, So you
had to puie the more expensive stuff without all the stuff.
I remember you had some sensitive pits.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
I'm doing something. All this they got all this new all.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
I don't. I mean, they don't work, dude. They work,
but they work for like an hour.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Like I'm not going to die from the aluminum, but I'm.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
A sweaty dudevy stinky or like what you know. Native
is what I get and the like eight twelve dollars
a stick and it don't know, you gotta pay for it. Oh,
don't do it. It doesn't I mean we're talking about it.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Don't do it. We're talking about it.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Don't do it.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
It just makes your pitts look like this. I don't
know why I keep been wearing gray shirts.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
On this podcasts. Dude, you got ways. Yeah, that's what
I'm mad at. I'm mad at paying fifteen dollars a
stick for supposedly good you've if you found one of words.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
That's I'm on the native train right now. That's that's
what everybody's doing.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I don't know, well, I mean, the alternative is to
not wear is go, Matthew McConaughey, is Jami. You don't
play Jamie Jamie, said Matthew McConaughey. Earlier, he's like, he's like,
I ain't got the home. Now everybody knows he's nowhere
on Well, it's okay, I mean does he stick. No,
he's not yet.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
It's early, but it's hot. Yeah. Yeah, I literally forgot
to put together one. Well, you can put my fifty
dollars stick on the charging five dollars of swat mad anything, Jamie.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
I started to get mad at the traffic this morning
because I'm not used to that. I forget how terrible
that driving into town sometimes is, because like said, we
we ride at ten or eleven. I'm driving over Mississippi.
In Mississippi, if it's five miles, it's five minutes, you know,
even in high traffic areas. It seems like So I
started getting mad at that. But that's kind of a

(18:11):
common thing here right now. I am mad at whatever
is going on with my road at my house.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh what's happening? Like this is a good one road work.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Our road's terrible. It's been terrible. You know. We we
bought land there and built a house there, my wife
and I and and it's just like I feel like
it's eating my truck and vehicles to death, just going
to home every day all the time. You know, the
road is so terrible. So you know, I think whatever
the supervisors we got now came by the house, you
know when they're politicking and you know we're going to help,

(18:41):
and I was like, dide, I just I just want
good roads, want better road before we paid, we paid
a lot of taxes, a lot of taxes, and oh man,
I'm gonna do it, and I'm sure they are. But
they came. They they worked on it the other day
for however long, came by and it just like graded
the road and it's like a I'm assuming they'll probably
come to fix it, and I'm probably mad at nothing,

(19:01):
but it just after a couple of rains made it
worse than it already was.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
This is what this section is for.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
So now not only not only do I need a
new alignment every ten trips back to my house, now
my truck's getting really dirty. It was just you know, rough,
but pavement, yeah, you know, like now a dirt and dust.
Now they've graded it and it and the rains washed
out a couple times, so the holes are worse, and
now that the vehicles are nasty every time you drive down.

(19:29):
I'm just like, man, I you know, I have a money.
I have a money, muddy dirty, full war drive cool whatever.
But it's like, what are you'll do?

Speaker 2 (19:37):
What do y'all do?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
I mean, hopefully they're setting up to fee. It looks
like they're setting up to do it.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I know.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
But if they don't do the classick enough, if they
don't do it quick enough, it starts getting bouncy and
holy and yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
So I'm trying to be mad at it, but I
don't know if if maybe maybe my guy comes through,
I know the guy, maybe he comes through, and I'm like, hey,
you know what, not mad anymore.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
But as of today, they got some backwards payment stuff
going on in Mississippy, Like for his electric bill, he
has to deposit a check to the bank.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Of my water bill.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Water bill.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
They don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
They ain't got.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Direct the line, ain't no website, bro, it ain't know nothing.
You you you have to your water bill. You take
a check and deposit it into their account.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
They have a gal that comes say who deposited.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
It's not like I don't even know. I don't even
know they know it can't boom. It's the only bill
that I have in my life. It's like somebody it's
like read, It's like somebody's said.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
For twenty twenty four. It's the only it's the only
thing that I know of that you can't like pay
a line or with a card or something. You know,
you know what I mean, Like you can't you do
everything on your phone on your phone with Apple pay.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Now you probably have to order checks just to pay
your water bill. Yes, because there ain't nobody else you're
writing checks.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Too, yeah yeah. And then if you pay with cash,
there's no record of who deposits.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
You gotta pay with check. Yeah, y'all got state tax
down there in Missippi? Oh yeah, yeah, what is it?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
I don't know. You know, state text Tennessee. Man, Pretty great,
there's a Mississippi buddy. Well, they want to fix those roads.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
They're gonna fix them.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Jamie Davis is an accomplished songwriter, an accomplished musician, and
accomplished vocalist himself. He is all around, I would say,
triple threat musician.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Accomplished outdoorsman. Throw it back to like your earliest memories
of like of country music in your life. Obviously from
North Mississippi, so I mean, oh yeah, oh was that
your daddy was at your granddaddy was your grandmama? I
introduced it to it.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
My parents loved music. They didn't they didn't like play
music or anything, and but they they were both country fans.
They listened to country music. George Strait, you know, it
was my mom's guy for years and years I'm sure
still is. My dad was more like funky R and
B soul stuff, but they both liked country music. So uh.

(21:53):
I remember they took me to see George Strait when
I was nine.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
That was your first show. First show was George Strait,
had this, had this.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Guy, had a guy opening for him named Garth Brooks.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Decent.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
He did okay, And I.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Saw that show.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Garth just stood there the entire really time they dropped
the thing. He stands at the mic, sings the thing,
they do the thing. I'm like, you know, you sell
this crazy wild stuff in him part you know at
his show, stood there and did the thing and uh
and then George Tray came out and played a course.
It was awesome. I was nine he's I gave George
Tray my boot, I think he signed it, and then

(22:28):
I have no idea where that is now. But some
guy put me on his shoulders down there and he
grabbed my boot and son and I thought, man, I'm
that's what I'm gonna do one day. I want to
I'd like to do that. But how cool is that
guy up there, you know, singing his songs?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
But what a first show to see the king?

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
I saw a thing later on where I never really
thought anything about it, but I saw I think an
interview with Garth later on that where he was like,
that was his first big tour and Georgie's show was
him just standing there playing so out of respect for him,
he didn't go crazy on stage and do his normal
one thing. He just stood there and did own that
one tour. I think that's probably the only one is

(23:05):
never because shirt.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah. I didn't know how how much of an idol
George Strait was to Garth Brooks until we started reading
the History of Country Music book to my two year
old daughter, and it talks.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
About earlier for that. But I'm with it.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
What do you mean, Well, it's just like it's a
kid's book. It's not it's not it's not like the
history yeah uh, but it's like it's like, George Straight
is king. I can't remember what it says, and then
the next page is like and George Straight was g
was was another country music Superstars idol. That's the reason
why he wears the cowboy hat and all this stuff
is George. It was a huge George George Straight fan.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Garth was, Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
My My My first show was that show, and I
just we dug in after that. I mean, they listened
to country radio. The Wizard one O six was the
country radio, the big radio station around my area, the
biggest one, and it was country. So you you know,
the clear the clearest one that came through on the
radio was was country music.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
So when'd you When did you pick up a guitar?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Man?

Speaker 3 (24:06):
It was around that time whenever I after that show
inspired me, like I came back wanting like I'm gonna
learn to play guitar, you know, And I was nice.
I wasn't very driven with it. Couldn't hold my attention.
So I started, like, I learned a couple of chords then,
but I didn't I didn't put any I just learned
the chords and I was done, you know, I was
on the baseball or something. And then my granddad worked

(24:29):
with a guy, mister Harold, that played bluegrass, and so
when I was about twelve or so, he started taking
me over there, getting guitar lessons from him, learn from
a bluegrass player, from bluegrass picker guy, and he the
first thing I learned was whyd wood flower, you know thing,
and so we did that. I probably took ten lessons

(24:50):
from him, and lessons from him was him. And through
these three or four bluegrass cats got together and just
played and you could either play along with him or not.
That was his and he would stop and show you
bit of stuff movie your finger. But it was like
they just loudly played and you could. You just sat
there and played with them until you figured it out, which.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Is probably I mean taking lessons and learning one on
one from somebody. And and I'm watching YouTube and playing
like that. But but I've always heard and I'm not
a guitar player, I know enough to write a song,
but like I've heard the best way to play it's
just like freaking learn how to swim like throat, throw
them in the pool Man and started kicking, like, get
in a circle of guys that are playing and figure

(25:28):
out where you can step in, step out and play
with guys. Just jam, just jam with cats.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, and he was the first guy that made you
like he you know. I used to say, he showed
me how to play the Wildie Flower thing and then
they would play and then he would be like, all right,
you gotta step in like you're turning and.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Do your thing.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
It's like you you fumbled through it. It was awful, you know.
And he was like, all right, we're gonna go around
the thing. And the next time it comes to you, you know,
you play the yeah and you and it was great.
He was great. But yeah, So around twelve, I did
probably ten went over there with him ten or ten
or twelve times, and then and then started digging into

(26:02):
all the information. It grabbed me then and I started
trying to find out all the guitar stuff. I can
learn all the songs, but I wasn't really like trying
to play notes or solos. I just wanted to learn
how to play guitar so I can stand there sing
like George.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Strait, what was the first song you could play and
sing it the first time.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Oh god, it was a want me catch your fall
like Blessed You and the soul.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
That's a damn dude.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Oh yeah, I've seen it all. Whatever that was, I
don't really I don't even know the name of the
song now, but that was it.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Because it was like, ye, did you play the beauty Reviews?
I don't know, maybe probably I remember this. Uh, it
was a very clear distinguishing moment in my mind of
when Jamie and I had our band and we were playing,
and I mean we were living together. I mean, shoot,
we lived. We lived a lot of different places, but

(26:56):
I remember there was a time where like, like you're
hunger or for learning more about guitar. Uh, it just
passed mine as to where I was just like I
kind of learned guitar in order to to to put
it two words. But Jamie like was in he wanted

(27:16):
to be a better he wanted to get better. I
did not want to get better. I was kind of
like whatever gets the job done. But I remember you
like wood shedding, and there were years in there where
you really wood shedding, and I think it put you
on a level to where when this opportunity with Loop
popped up, like, not only could you contribute as a
singer and as a songwriter, but like, I mean, you

(27:37):
can hold your on on freaking stage in front of
eighty thousand people too. That's got to feel pretty cool
to know that work that you put in got you.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, I mean, who would have thought? I mean, I
guess that was the kind of the plan. Uh was,
Like I said, I don't want to be George straight,
but just to get up on that stage.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Let's not skip to the best part of the story
that les.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, bro, I mean, I like, uh, I all I
did was the same thing as you. I mean, I
learned just chords. I didn't after a while with Flower.
I don't think I picked out a melody on a
song on the guitar like you were probably doing. When
I met you. You're already doing like licks and stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
We were both ear driven.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
I mean, but you were already doing licks on the
guitar and I didn't. I didn't even know what a
lick was because I played widle with Flower. Didn't tell
me that was a lick. That was just the melody
to the thing. But I just learned, of course, I
was till I'm till I met you until I met
uh was it Dustin Nunley was the first real guitar
player that we saw that in Camus Country, which he
plays with Loot now too. But uh, but we we

(28:36):
walked in first day, saw him ripping nothing I have
ever seen, like nothing I had ever seen before. Yeah,
so he mad. I was like, oh, you can do
that on the guitar, like I thought, you just you
learned the guitar to strum and sing, like to put
my you know, moybe to write songs or cover songs.
But I needed I couldn't. Nobody else in the house

(28:57):
was playing guitar, so I had to have something to
make me some music to sing too. I didn't learn
a liquor of guitar until I met all y'all kids, dude,
and then I started learning. Then I started diving into okay,
well you can do this. Oh well this is this.
He's a guitar leagues, these are scales, these are this
you know.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
He saw he's referencing the guy that is, I mean,
arguably top one percent in the world pickers, which is
Dustin Ny and he just he was always like shrad dude.
I remember walking in that room here. I thought these
guys only existed in like eighties hair metal music videos,

(29:35):
and here's this country. I mean, I'm talking about Turnip
Green Country absolutely ripping a guitar about with a part
with a mar I.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Remember you and I said they were watching him play
one day and they did the Devil went down to
Georgia but about ten or twelve bpm, faster than it
than it is, burning it and he played it on
that been here Telly.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Though. We were like and everything was I'm never gonna
make it man showing me thinking about you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (30:12):
But I was like, we look, we looked like, damn
we sucking. What this guy ain't that much older than us?
What happened? What happened?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Who showed him?

Speaker 2 (30:23):
What? What do we how do we learn?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
How do you do that? You know? It's like you
don't you know. I've been trying to I've been trying
to chase that guy for years. I had. We had
another guy in the band that played in the band
with Dan and I.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
That was Jerry Carna thing.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Oh yeah, and he's a monster guitar player. There's differences
between the two, like Dustin. But but I remember one
time we were Dan and I had the big head.
We'd learned some licks and our solo.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I always we crushed it.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, he crushed the solo at the show, you know,
like we had a forty songs. We got two solos
right right that night between the two of us, you know,
playing forty songs at night, and we were we were
highing ourselves and we're like our guitar player, Jerry Carthan,
who absolute monster players on the level, was like us,
that's good boys. You know, y'all getting better.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
They were like.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Thanks, man, He's like, but I'm getting better to you
never gonna catch me, And he was right, but he
was like, you know, that guy was already playing like
that when we saw him, you know, and it's like,
I mean, I've been striving to catch those guys for
the rest of my life and it's made me tons better.

(31:35):
But they're all chasing those guys, but it's like they're
getting better too the whole time. You know, you never
you can't catch them.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
But there's a level of existence in those guys that
like it's all they want to do, man, Like it's
all they want. I can't even explain it, Like it's
all they want to do, Like all Jerry Canarthin wants
to do is work on cars and play guitar, and
all the other ones to do is it's smoke cigarettes
to play guitar. And I mean, he look, he's a
great dad, great husband, not all that I'm just saying

(32:03):
as far as.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Everything, but I think I think it probably goes for
y'all too. But once I hit once, I played that
insane that first too. Dude, all I ever wanted to
do was play guitar, sing fish deer hut. That's it.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I didn't I didn't think about anything else. I haven't
thought about it. We went to college because that's.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
What we were. It was beating my head to do. Bro,
Let's be honest. We went to college to have a
band and play music.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, but you know what I'm saying. But that was
the thing that they were showing you.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
All Right, you go to high.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
School, you do this, you go to college, you get
a degree, and that's what you do.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
But but even though we went through the motions of that,
and I loved every minute of it of our college experience.
But like man, I never want to do anything but
just play music. So I get like those guys is
like that's all they want to do. Every time you
see them, there's a guitar in their hand.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
That's all they want to do. But y'all get it too.
All you've ever wanted to do, Really.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
That's all I was make up some songs and get
to fish and hunt.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Totally thousand percent. I mean we we started when I
remember telling my granddad, uh Ernest Paul you which you knew,
I remember telling him when he asked me what I
want to do when I grew up. I was I said,
I want I want to be Garth Brooks. And that
was I was nine years old. And and really I

(33:31):
didn't know you could write songs. I don't think we
really knew we were writing songs, but we didn't know
you could really commercially professionally do that.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, talk about your introduction to Nashville and and and
and coming to Nashville a living by playing music.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
I'll get to that, but let me say this. While
we were he was in the college mode there for
a second. And the and the thing that Jamie's real,
like real humble about is that he's like a damn genius,
like like mathematical genius, like smart guy. It is the
craziest and the way he talks, and so all this

(34:10):
to say, dude, you are a math. If I ever
have any kind of like percentage question, I called Jamie like, hey, dude,
just tell me the percentage of this, and he'll and
then I will hang up. I mean it'd be like
three minute conversations. He's like, all right, what'd you making
your a CT? Dude? Yes you do, I know thirty one?

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, dude, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
I mean a twenty two. You know what I mean.
I mean, like the kid's smart, right, and he's real
humble about that anyway, So it's good at taking tests.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Man, you are well.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
You just even prove my point even better. So we
are in our single wide trailer in Mississippi State and
I have the biggest example it. Listen, every class I
ever passed, I had to work my tail off to
get a sea. Right. This dude don't even go to class,

(35:00):
rolls up in there, it comes out with B plus
time about I can't believe it didn't make an A
in there. It's just that it's just that's it's always
been that way in my life.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
So y'all, y'all road dog it for a while. You
got soul gravy. What was your like, Hey man, let's
let's take this from North Mississippi to Nashville and try
to try to make it happen.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
We actually, they came call. They called us. I mean,
we were just kind of doing our thing down there
and doing like a a Southern circuit, right, but we
played Georgia. I'm leading you into the story, but this
is to me, this is what it was. We were
playing that that South South circuit SEC school, yeah, and
and having some some good success and a couple of
songs that were doing great. There was no streaming really

(35:39):
back then. It was we were just making hard like
discs and people were buying CDs at shows and it
started spreading like crazy. You take from there, and then
we started and then the next thing we know, we
started getting calls.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
I mean, the we were we come up here and
made a record because that's where everybody was doing that.
You know, It's like there's not any uh, not a
lot of working studios, I guess down the Mississippi, you
know at the time. And so we did that and
then once those records got popping, out here. I think
it was just the general you know rule of any

(36:13):
musician in the South was if you especially where I'm
from and and West and West Tennessee, where you guys
are from, it's like, man, you just went to Nashville.
If you did music at all, it didn't have to
be country.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Try to take so if you wanted.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
A proper record of which of your song that you've
made up, you you took it to Nashville and hired players,
or if you could play ourselves. I mean we weren't
good enough to be playing on our stuff ourselves then
I guess we did. But yeah, but yeah, I think
we it got going so well in in the Mississippi
Alabama area that we, uh we thought it would be like,

(36:51):
you know, doing ourselves, uh an injustice if we didn't
try to come up here. Yeah, because it was like, well,
I mean, ain't that what people do? It was like
you build a following down here and then do all
that and then you take it up there and somebody
replicates that nationwide. You know who I remember doing that
right before we tried was Zach Brown. You had a

(37:13):
CD of that Chicken Fried song, and that was like
he was.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Just popping and then Brantley. We played shows with Brantley
and then he kind of popped off and got into
the Nashville thing.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I remember one we were playing on a Fraturny road
maybe at Ole, Miss one night in Mississippi, and it
was like Zach Brown band our band and somebody else
that hit yeah or somebody like at three three Houses
in a row thing and it's like, you know, those
two guys made it, Well, we can go do it.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, we were.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
It wasn't two years ago. We was all playing on
the road down there on a thing. When they can
do it, I can do it. I don't see what
the fuss is about.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, And we had some help again talking about that
little I always talk about it little, that little North
Mississippi brotherhood that came through lucky for us. A buddy
of ours, Jonathan Singleton, had kind of his band had
started popping off. He had watching airplanes with Gary Allen
and uh something else don't don't. It was a big

(38:18):
one man, And that's kind of you can hear those
kind of uh soultry R and B inflected tones in
kind of what we do too, because I feel like
if you're from that area, there's there's a bit of
what you talked about earlier, where your mom loved country
music and your dad was into you remember what was

(38:38):
that Superman song? Used to play me that Uh what
was that guy's guitar? Watson there? It was just funky
man And so it just a meld of those cultures.
And you also have the Showals right there, which was
forty five minutes from I mean, we were influenced by
some of the greatest Looking back now, the greatest was exact.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
That was another thing too that that took us up
here was Jonathan uh Nonely and these guys Jonathan had
already moved to town had the watching airplanes thing on,
So that helped us.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Like, oh we can, we can Like he was.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
It wasn't some it wasn't just stories we had heard.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
He was in campus country before yall.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
He was in the campus country before us, and he
came up here and he got the deal.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
So I got the cut and we was like, Okay,
we know this guy. Yeah, we're one degree from it.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
He did it, yeah, you know, And turns out he
was a nice enough guy to kind of like take
us under his wing and show us around. He's like
you know, we we took it to Nashville when we
did our thing. We were doing stuff and it was like, man,
we got to get better songs. Well, in order to
get better songs, we're gonna have to write them ourselves
because nobody's gonna write him for some no name band
that nobody, you know, nobody gets making any money with.

(39:50):
It's like, so Dan and I are gonna have to
write the material. Well, in order to write the material,
we need to write better songs. We already writing songs.
We need better songs. So it's like we got to
go up there and get into the Nashville songwriting one
on one. Well, then it was like okay, well Dustin
takes us over to meet Jonathan and it was like, well,
y'all want to get in song right. You know, it's
kind of like, well, oh you want to get into
some song, right, Well I can get you into some

(40:10):
song right, and just come up here and talk to
this person. You know, only introduce you to people. The
next thing you know, you're you're booking rights and then
doing the thing and then it just you know, the
whole thing. But that was another big reason why we
came up. He just I don't know that if if
we had to know them help or not from him,
if we had had to witness it happened, we might
still be sitting there there going man, what if we

(40:32):
should have trust them? Guys up there probably are doing crazy,
but we didn't have. We not known a guy that
you know from from around home that that actually did it.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
How bad would that hurt? Man? If I was stuck
in costsuit watching and you were down there and Cupil
or something working some bang job, knowing we were writing
music and wanted to do music and our buddies were
doing it and made a career out of Man, Oh
my gosh, I'm glad we tried it.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
But yeah, and then you just get stuck in it,
I mean not stuck in it. Like I wanted to
be in it. I wanted to stick myself in it,
try to make try to get in and dig my
claws in so that I could be up here or
at least work up here. And we, I say, for
several years, And like I said, I moved back to Mississippi,
but I still work out of Nashville. There's there's not
a lot of songwriting and recording going on in Mississippi.
There's some good there's good studios down there now, but

(41:19):
and and people come down there to make some music.
But the majority of my business and work comes up here.
So you know, although I don't live here, you still
gravitate here to if you want to write songs and
play music, this is where you got it. I think
you still have to kind of yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's present. When I do, I think.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Well, I mean I'm having to drive up to be present.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
I'm not. I'm not getting it done solely from Mississippi.
That's what I'm getting at those like, even though I
moved back to Missippi, I'm still having to drive up
here and be present at a right to you know
that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
That's what we were talking about earlier too. It's like
if you want to learn how to play the guitar
from really good guitar players, getting a group of guitar players, absolutely,
And it's the same thing I feel like with writing songs,
Like yeah, man, you can stay wherever you're at, and
if you've got a little group of guys that are
gonna write songs in your hometown, you know, that's great.
But like, if you want to sharpen the knife if
you want to if you want to try to get

(42:10):
better and be able to hold your own with the
best songwriters in the world. Man, you got to get
in the room with the best song and I believe
that's in Nashville, Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
You somebody out there may be that guy that you
know don't need any help and write. Sure it happens
the masterpiece every couple of years, every time he sits
down by himself. Sure never comes to nash I'm not
saying that, but but you know, I just thought you
had to be here. I wanted to get better. I've
always wanted to get better. I still go to rites
daily trying to improve how I do whatever. Whether whether

(42:42):
it's working or not, I don't know, but I still
learn your tar stuff daily. I mean, I just think
that you should come up here and want to be
getting better.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
So you're writing songs during the week on weekends, though
most weekends, you're standing on stage with an acoustic or
electric and you're singing harmonies, some lead on on a
on a tune to thousands, Yeah, your own songs. Watch
them being played at this point, hundreds of hundreds of

(43:12):
thousand peoples on weekend.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
We try to.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
We we tried to think about the other day, like
how many gigs you and I played to say, like
five hundred people in the bar, and we thought that
was packed, like people you know we put we put
five hundred and three hundred and fifty cap room though,
and it would be squeazed in there with man, this
is we're going to do the rest of our life. Yeah, sure, yeah,
it will never get better than that.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
And then we were putting them in a thousand people
rooms and we're like, man, it will never get better
than it will never never And then we're an arena
and it's like it will never get better than this.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
You're going three hundred to a thousand. You start off
with two man's in a quarter of a chicken booth.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Chicken yeah, a Mexican but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
But yeah, like you said, remember hundred fell a couple
of times we had two hundred, three hundred and four person.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Are in one thousand and then.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Ten thousand, and how much do arenas hold ten five
to fifteen twenty so the ego sheds, which is getting
bigger twenty five, twelve twenty five some of them I
don't know. And then arenas now you're in stadiums and
I mean, I mean Dallas was sixty eight thousand.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
It's a lot, dude. It's overwhelming if you stand up
there and let it. If you let it, it's it's overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Oh I trust me, I know it is. Are you
you're out there with us? I know it's over. You're
out there with But I wasn't playing, dude.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
But still walking out there is intimidating, even if you're
carrying a guitar about which I did that for a while.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
To take us through for the listener. Like what because
everybody sees your life, everybody sees you on stage, and
they see you for that two two and a half
hours that you're playing. But like, what, what is what
Wednesday to Sunday for you? What is like coming to town?
And if you're writing like Wednesday, so like I no Wednesday,

(45:07):
Like if he comes to town before bus called button
to coming back? What is that like for a touring
musician and one of the if not the biggest band
in country music right now?

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah, So usually I'm coming up, say I'll drive it
Wednesday morning, write a song for Sony and then and
then you get on the bus Wednesday night and we
get on there, try to go to sleep. Roll when
you wake up the next day, you're at whatever venue.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
You're making the most venues in the in the night.
If they were within the States.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yep, yep. Most of the time, you know they'll take
the if it's over so many miles, you take a
couple of drivers, and then they just stop and swap
and keep rolling. But driving we're asleep most of the time.
And then we're on the bus at the stadium. The
band is Thursday, you're going over stuff. They're checking gear
and doing all this stuff set up, and then sound
check Thursday night, and then it's sit around all day

(46:02):
Friday till showtime. Sometimes we have rehearsal. We've got a
rehearsal rig that's set up in the green room a
lot of times, and we'll run songs in there something,
or I'll try to sit around and rite. Most time
we're once we get up and around, we got a
guitar in our hand, doing something until showtime, and then
it's me and Tyler King and Luke did a little
warm up at eight pm and then show at nine.

(46:25):
You over eleven try to come down from the adrenaline rush.
It takes you till about one.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
You still get nervous, You still get like is it
adrenaline or is it nerves?

Speaker 3 (46:34):
And it's straight adrenaline. Now it's it's a little farther
removed from like the club thing that we were. We
come up and get used to where the people are
right in your face, and then as the venus get bigger,
the people get further away, barricase further away, stage is larger,
they're further away.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
So it's like I always did better like that.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Where they're not up in my grill in my face.
It's like, it's it if you can like clear out
all that mechanism and and just focus on the stage
and what you got going on, then I don't have
any like super nerves. But no matter how you try
to control whatever, you can't you can't control the adrenaline
of walking in front of fifty thousand people. No, ain't

(47:14):
nothing I figured out how to do, like to like
you're shaking your bodies. It's a drug, dude, your body, Yeah,
your body is in a yeah, like this is amazing
right now thing for a couple of three songs, and
then then it then it comes down. That's still it's
still pumping. You can't tell as much, you know, but
but for me anyways, that's how money is. Yeah. But

(47:36):
but yeah, I still I mean, I'm still nervous. I mean,
you're if you mess up, it's in front of fifty
thousand people, not having not sixty people. Yeah, first year,
what's your worship's first first? I mean I got the
worst mess up by the way. First, get Jamie guitar
tech for Luke for a couple of tours.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
So I did.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
I did about a year taking for UH Rob Williford
and Kurt Ozon and the keys player.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
And UH for about a year.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
And then they put Luke's tech in the band, which
was destiningly and then I became Lukes tech and I
did that for I guess three and a half four years. Yeah,
I was Luke's tech. And then when Rob took some
time off the road, I stepped into the band Slide
all right, first gig, so the first So so they
called me in the They told me to come to

(48:29):
Luke's dressing room one day and they're like, hey, Luke's
got talked to about something. I was like, all right, cool,
So as I'm going in him and Tyler King are
in the dressing room and they're like whispery, you know stuff.
And I walk in there like, oh, could you give
us a minute?

Speaker 1 (48:45):
And I was like, I'm bad dog. Y'all told me
to come here.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I fall do whatever.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
And I saw go I like to take a walk around.
I'm thinking like, hey, I'm chacking. I'm like double checking himself.
What do I messed up on to day? I meant,
did I jack a guitar? So you had no clue? Really,
you're gonna pick to be asked? No, no, no, no idea?
What was going on? And I finally walked back. I
gave him tow or three minutes while we up there,
and Tyler comes out the dressing room and shakes my hand.
He's kind of grinning, and I'm like whatever. And I

(49:12):
had just seen Rob at somewhere down the hall and
he was like, Luke talked to you yet like kind
of like he was real stern, not like mad, but
you know, and he Rob yeah, Rob, and he was
he was cool. He was like, Luke talked to you.
And I said, no, man about what he was like.
I just went on and I was like, man, I'm
getting fired. I don't know what I did. I don't

(49:35):
know what I said something to somebody. Finally finally came
out and finally came out and said something to somebody
that I shouldn't have or something. I don't know, And
but I walked back in there, and Tyler come out
and walk in there, and Luke asked me something like, hey, man,
what what I I want you to come in here?
I like, what song should I do on the acoustic
thing tonight? I was like, I don't know, this is

(50:00):
your show. I quit being an artist several years ago,
you know, kind of kind of do that. I'm not
telling you what song to sing to do. If I
pick something whack and you go out there and sing it,
it's on me. I'm out there and crazy. He's like, no, man,
but what's something cool? I could do whatever? So starts
kind of getting like he knows what he wants to do.
He ain't never asked me or anybody.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Else, so he yeah, he knows what he wants to do.
So I'm like, this ain't right, yea, this is super fishy.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
And I was like, dude, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
As I and he sat there.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
For a minute, he just like awkward, stairs like that,
you know, And I'm like, what's something man, Because most
of the time we're buddies. Everybody's buddies out there loose
one of our boys. But at that moment, when he
was giving me the awkward stairs, like damn, he went
to super.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Sauce man mode real quick. I was like, dude, I
don't finna get fired, and he was like.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
And after a few minutes and just offering us, I
was like, all r dude, if you don't want it,
it's that's that's all you need Before I'm out, bro,
I'm thinking like, nah, man, the real reason I needed
you come in here is like, I need somebody to
play guitar.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
I was like, oh cool.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
I was like, well, who's who's got to miss a show?
Is it Kurt or Tyler or Dustin or right? Who's
missing the guy? What? You know? Whose part do I
need to learn for the thing or whatever? He was
like no, I mean like like I needed you to
play guitar in the band. And I was like, what,
Who's which guy's missing? That's all I could think of.

(51:33):
Somebody can't get the flu or still. I was like, well, yeah, yeah,
I'm like, well if somebody gotta take some time offer somebody,
you know, somebody pass away or their wedding or you
know anything. And he was like, no, man, I'm like,
you want to play guitar in the band. And immediately
I was like, hell, yeah, yeah, I think. I was like, man,

(51:53):
my eyes cheered up, I'm sure, and gave him a
big hug and it was it was over. I was like, man,
I've done it. Yeah, you know, this is where I
wanted to be at the whole time. That's why he
took the guitar tack gig in the first place. Was
to so sick, be there, be present to win. You know,
wasn't Nashville, but I but I was in camp and
and uh, you know, if I had never done, if
I had never taken the guitar tak job, my name

(52:14):
wouldn't even have been in the house. They wouldn't even
known who I was. Nobody knows them, wouldn't have been
friends of all them guys. You know, Rob wouldn't recommend
me for the job.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
I like to uh too, I like to take a
little credit, you know, no big two big shockers. I
just happened to be on the bus the night that
Loop decided he needed a new he needed another tag.
He was like, I was, I was there. We were
in Alabama. Uh, we're an Alan Dolphin. No, not Dolphin Alabat,
what was it. Dolphin Island is down there somewhere the

(52:44):
wharf in Alabat, Southern alban We were down there and
he said, yeah, I need a new guitar. I need
another guitar. Tak it's just getting so big.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
And uh.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I was like, second, I went, I found I called
I found Dustin and I was like, hey, dude, we
gotta get Jamie on this, like that's the guy. And
he was like, oh, man, for sure, for sure we'll
get Jamie. He said that. I was like, he said,
he's going to hire a new tag. I called Jamie
me like, hey, dude, Loot needs a guitar.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Attack.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
He was like so. I was like, so this is it, dude,
Like you got to take this thing. It'll get you
up here. He's like, man, I'm doing pretty good on
these gigs down there, and I was.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Like, no, I'm fishing.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I was like, this is the intro into the door, dude.
And man, he took and it was I'm not saying
it really has nothing to do with me not only
would have clearly got him in, but it's just fun
to have like the boys in a spot where we
can all kind of, hey, you should try this guy,

(53:50):
you should try this guy. You should try this guy.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
I mean, I think you know, take credit or not
I take credit. I mean, it's definitely all I mean
you Norly, I mean, Jonathan, all these guys in your
friends dude. Yeah, out of all the people I met
up here, and all the songwriting I've done, and all
the artists we've written with, played with, picked up gigs with,
done everything at the end of the game, not the

(54:14):
end of the game. Hopefully we're not at the end yet.
But I mean saying like it eventually ended up just
being my buddies that helped me get where I was at,
Like the people that I had invested in my time
in relationship wise, you Dustin Yea, and these people that
were my friends.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
It was like that was the guys that got me.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Put my name in the hat. We may you and
I got to go write a song here in a
little while. It's like we may meet this I don't
know the guy we're writing with the day, but it's
like you, we may meet him, become friends with it,
you know, and that and if we do cool, if

(54:53):
we don't cool. But it's like, man, if you invest
in that, the rest of it seemed to come along.
Maybe not as quick as you like it sometimes, but
I think my entire career is based off of my
buddies helped me out, you know, reaching reaching out and
me too for sure, and lending a hand once they

(55:13):
once they got to where they could help. It's like
I remember having a conversation with you years ago. You
had no big cuts, no thing. You were in the
writing deal and stuff, and it's like, man, I'm trying
to do this and I'm trying to do this, and
you're like, hey, man, I I.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Can't help you yet. I can't do anything because I.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Mean, like he already cares about what you're Yeah, you're
already anything though, And I'm like, I'm sure I was
annoying at the time because I was like, well, you
got a deal already. I mean I got to come
there and get a deal, like you can help me now,
you know, And you're like, no, no, I can't, not yet,
not yet, you know, And it's dust in the same
way it was like, you know, but once once my

(55:51):
friends started getting in the circles where they could help,
we have all helped each other and all that.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yeah, and it all became a thing. But it was like, yeah,
and it's not like anybody's work can any harder than
anybody else.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
But I bet on that. Yeah, yeah, but I didn't
bet on like I still knew that. We still all
know that you have to go write the damn song,
or you got to sing the train, or you just
play the lick or whatever, like you have to go
do the work obviously, But I never had any worries
about it. I was like, well, I just keep playing
my gigs and do the thing. Man. It's like I
don't feel like going to chasing down these one hundred people.

(56:24):
I know this guy is going to be successful at
some point in time. I just knew. I knew that
from the first time I met you. I was like that,
you know, you know, like, whatever this guy decides to do,
he's gonna do it. If he wants to be the
top insurance salesman in the United States, that's what he's
gonna do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I knew that.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Yeah, almost like you know, good at everything you try,
you know what I mean? So it was like, I
can't help you yet, but one of these days I'll
be able to bet on that.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yeah, I bet on all my friends working out on
their dreams, just like I was chasing mind, and we
were all chasing it, and then when it started working out,
it just starts working out.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
For it everybody together, which is yes and creating it again.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I mean that this conversation puts puts us in a
room in your house in Mississippi one Saturday morning when
it's raining and we're supposed to be turkey hunting.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
And that ties in hunting too, which is great.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Segue and uh Dan picks up a guitar and plays.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
A lick man. We got to talk about the guitar first.
That was the most interesting thing to me. We had
planned this turkey hunt. We were going to Mississippi hunt
and it starts. We get there and it is I
mean buckets due, Like we couldn't have hunted that morning
it was rain.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
I think we all zoomed different co writes the day before,
like that's how bad we wanted a turkey hunt. We
went down there, zoomed on Friday, went to sleep. We're
gonna wake up in Australia, didn't I really y'all into that. Yeah,
it was like yeah, yeah, we'll do it, but we're zooming. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
I made y'all do it.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I was zooming in White's room with my co ride.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I did a double that.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
You wrote in the whites room and double and then uh,
and then we zoomed with yeah yeah Australian go Brad.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
And so like seven or eight at night and it
was daytime for him.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Was nine in the morning, so it rains. We're like, well,
we can't go hunt. We might as well write a
song or do something. And uh, your wife, Maria, who
was also an unbelievably talented individual, her dad passed what
probably thirty years thirty forty years I in a while
when she was very young, Yeah, and left her a
guitar and which eventually got moved some to your house

(58:21):
or given to you or something.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
It's hers, but yeah, it stays at my house, right,
and uh, I just literally we didn't have anything else
to do, and I reached over and grabbed the guitar
and sat down and the first thing was that.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
It just and I was.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Like, I remember, I remember you played the Little River
for the six month or one thing back and forth
for it.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
This thing, so the.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
One something like that, but a couple of passes through
and we were like, what's that.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
First, we were like, bro guitar on a Saturday morning.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
It was the very first thing you played. It was
played very it was the first.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Thing I played. And obviously tell that that.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
But it's but even that that.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
That feels like everything that we're about. I mean the
three of not me and and that's what I'm saying.
Naturally did that. I felt like I was just a vessel.
Though I don't feel like I didn't have that lick contrived.
I didn't like I feel like that guitar wanted that
lick to be written on it that day. And I

(59:39):
mean no, literally, thank god. I feel like Maria's dad,
who was also an accomplished Uh, there's another North Alabama,
North Piss musician that gigged and played did the thing.
I mean just kind of slid us a little bonny.
And I've told Maria that that's no secret, man, I mean,

(59:59):
you almost but he was a co writer on the team.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
I think that's a nineteen sixty eight y'amaha. One of
those red labels things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
It's great. It's my favorite guitar. That's a great record,
acoustic stuff. It was cool that that that that's what
led us into the I mean, that's all y'all's melody
is get a verse of course.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Go. We been burning booth and keeping the light song.
So I've been thinking we need a little time along.
What see we cancel our place tonight the morning, gonna

(01:00:57):
be your man, get some can little burning and some records,
turning all the lights down, taking night saying so the away,
your body moving, keep doing what you do to me
off nine riding out love so, oh god, I haven't

(01:01:21):
left the bass, and take us to a high bay
making kind of m weeding me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
How I can go in to that? Sorry, I'm kid,
go right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
There ain't no way baby to give me out this high.
I don't even know if I know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
You. Look, that's good work.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Could I even think of bout.

Speaker 6 (01:01:55):
Besides turning around and locking the door, watching your red
dress falling floor. Let's get some candles burning, some records,
turn in all the light spell taking that say so
they bodies moving, keep doing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
What you're doing to me out, riding out love.

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
So girl, I want it kind of handle that passion,
take us to a.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
High place.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Making that candle.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Right we're doing I'm just trying to remember the thing.
Uh yeah, How cool is that? Man?

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
How cool is that? I mean, just like it's it's
a full circle moment, our.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
First number one together man. Yeah, the three of us
from the I mean from the boats and the trailer
parks and the gigs and no people showing up two
gigs to hear in. Uh, you're in fifteen seventy five
thousand people send that song back to you every night.
It's gotta be pretty cool, dude, one of the with
our best buddy dude, I mean, and that's our that's

(01:03:08):
that's our guy. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
All those guys man have are have become some of
my best buddies in the world. And and to get
to write around play music with them, it's crazy crazy,
so that many people is even crazier. And then it's
just I mean, on half the nights I get to
walk out there and open the show with that lig Wow.
I mean, I'm playing guitar to a song we wrote

(01:03:30):
in front of that many people like every night looking
up like man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
That is allowing, Yeah, that's allowing us to pursue and
continue to pursue this dream.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
As mad as you get at it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Music absolutely, I mean it's what brought us all here.
It's what brought us together. It's what I mean helps
feed our kids. You know, it's pretty pretty incredible story. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
We usually talk about hunting, fishing, you catching, you catching
hogs on brush piles.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Yet I honestly have not been in the boat one
time this year. I've been taking I've been untangling bird's
nest from bait casters and getting that time, getting baits
h out of chess. My my fishing is getting baits
out of trees, out of weeds, pulling moss off stuff.
That's three times, you know, getting fished off the hook.

(01:04:25):
That's what my fishing consisted.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I'm gonna out here, my little my little guys are
doing it. So that's where I'm at. I'm gonna out
here right here. So uh with the with the climb
of that song, A particular instance, uh circumstance happened where
your granddad was ready to sell his place right and
you bought that ship.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Dude, straight up, that is awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
That's such which was a dream you've always.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
I think I told I think I told my granddad
when I was when I was tiny, man, I was like,
one of these days, I'm on this because I thought,
you know, when you're little, you think that your granddad
just gives it to you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Everybody just gives you everything.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
You know, like that one day, one day you'll give
this to day and one day Daddy'll give it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
And then my dad has six kids.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yeah, it's like if I had gave it to you,
if they gave it to you, and he gave me
my piece down the line, it ain't gonna be in
this whole place.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
He's gonna be a sixth though it, you know. Uh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
But I told him that I was gonna buy it
when and I think he was like he kind of
like snickered, like you know, cool. And then time goes by,
man Land goes up. Things things don't happen til you're
gigging up. Until I took the job with Luke, you know,
I was, I was playing four or five nights a week.
I was either playing guitar with other artists or doing
my shows and stuff like that gets further and further

(01:05:45):
from reality, you know, It's like it starts becoming sad
because I'm like, man, I put all my eggs in
this basket. Dude, sure I put all maggs in this
music basket. Here, I'm, you know, nearly forty years old,
and I don't have a hit. Yeah, you know, I
make I do make a lot. I was making a
full time living playing guitar. I'll get it wrong, but
my family wasn't prospering. We were surviving, and so the

(01:06:13):
saying you're gonna buy that when you're little, and then
when I turned fifteen, I was like, yeah, I'm definitely
I'm gonna buy this form one day. And then we're
twenty in your dreaming, I'm still sitting out there on
it fishing, doing everything. Man, one of these days is
not gonna be mine. And then twenty five you're like, man,
that's expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
At thirty, I'm like, well, damn, I'm just playing in bars.
And then you know, thirty four, thirty five, I've got
a wife and kids, and it's like, man, these I
ain't never gonna be able to afford nothing buying all
these damned diapers. Yeah, yeah, you know, the lands out
of the question.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah, baby food's expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Yeah, so so all they kind of like, you know,
in a sad way. I'd like, I'll never be able
to buy his place. They'll get old and have to
sell it before I'll ever make anything, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Which was getting ready to happen, I mean got to
that point.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
I mean they're in their eighties, dude. Yeah, that's their
life saving. He worked his whole life to pay the
pay that place off to so one day his plan
was to for them to get old there and then
once they get old enough to go to nurse on,
sell that place. And that's his that's there, that's the
rest of their existence. And so they told he told me,
I don't know, a couple of years from it was

(01:07:25):
before we ever wrote that song. I mean, I go
with there. One day we're doing something, don't if we
were hunting, fishing or something. It was like, well, Son,
I might have to sell the place. And I'm like, dang, yeah.
I was like, well, dude, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
I just got a cut.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
I think I just got it. We just got my
first cut of my kind of folk. Yeah, I just
we just got that. And I was like, dude, this
ain't gonna this ain't gonna an album cut. It's not
going to pay enough to get it done.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I was like, a good one. But we're in the door.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
I'm I'm about to sign a song, right deal. You know,
I don't know a high school work cut, but I
promise I'm gonna give one hundred percent to try to
get something going to get money either either yeah, horse
or something. I don't know how we're gonna. I don't
know what's gonna go on or what you gotta. He
didn't tell me a price or it was just like,
you know, well, all right, well then you know, a

(01:08:16):
year goes by or so, and I think we wrote
kind of Love at that wind, maybe written kind of
Look we wrote kind of Love at that point, and
it hadn't made a record it or something. It was like,
hey man, it's getting it's getting time of white to
sell the place. I'm like, dude, you got to give
me six more give me six more months or a year.
I got something cracking on a song right now that
may do something. I don't know. Yeah, it still won't

(01:08:39):
him on the record. Yet we were still trying to
talk uh luke and a singing Yeah, like I guess
he had he had he had written, he had he
had written a song with us that it was like
talking him into doing it. Yeah, right, we felt like
it was a hit. I felt like we felt like
it was a hit that day. I did. I think
y'all did too. On some of the tapes I have,
it's like us were like, hey, man, this real, this

(01:09:00):
is a real thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Yeah, I might have done something.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Yeah, And but it was like trying to get him,
talk to him to do it. But I was like, man,
I'm telling my granddad. I was like, but if you can,
I don't know, but it's something in my mind, like
if you can give me six more months, well then
then then finally he did. He's he holds off on
ceiling and it was like nothing happened to you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
And I was like, oh god, yeah, he's.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Gonna sell it. I know he's gonna say that. My
luck is I'll have the hit. I'll have a hit
after if I have one over at all. Yeah, two
years after his song or something not that I'm telling you.
I'm I'm, i'm, I'm I'm writing all this. I'm writing
a hundred songs in a year. Pope out one of them
is gonna pop. But I got one in the works
right now that I that I swear it's gonna do something.

(01:09:45):
He and it was like, I don't know if I
played him a song or anything like that, but but
but he he like he believed me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Had a neighborhoods that was trying to like hounded him,
trying to buy that he he had done some big
trade or some land and sale or something and made
of this guy made a bunch of money, sold some
land to a pilot gas station or something. And it
was like, I could pay for it. And my Granddad's
just putting him off and put him off, and I'm like, dude,
you ain't got to put him off anymore, dude, So
it sell it, dude, you got to do it. And

(01:10:14):
he was like, nah, he gonna buy it any time, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Always He's like I can, I can wait? Wow, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
So he gave me enough time to get it going.
And finally the song gets on the record. Still didn't
know if it was, you know, single, but it's on there,
and I'm like, oh, dude, please, just just if Papaul will.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Hold out just a few more thinking about this land
the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Oh God, that was it thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
It is thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
I mean, it's beautiful, hell yeah, long story short of
the song they released sung as a single. It smokes
the charts, and you bought it. We bought the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
And now your kids will always be able to go
to that bank and catch fish out of that pond
on the backs of something that came from your brain. Man,
that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
I coffee there when I was I learned a bass
fish in that pond for my dad and my boys
learning from the bass fish.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Awesome, what do we do?

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
First grader? Oh yeah, I'm sure that was born that thing.
You had to say. It's a part of the shoe
for the one that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Got o one that got away for you, JD. Could
be a fish, my dear, what comes to my.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Song?

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
A few of those probably I got a cold.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
I got a couple of ones that got away necessarily
on the hunting thing. I think, I guess. I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
My biggest one that got away was a deer story.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
I don't know when this would have been, like twenty ten.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
He called, and is it? I can't even remember what
you're it was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
My dad had killed a giant uh in one of
our in one of the fields we hunt, one of
the least we have. That's the top typical from my
county still to this day. That's it's the top, it's
the top scoring typical. What was it buck from my county?
What what is scored? Oh that's one fifty ish something
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
I mean, it's just shit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
One fifty right at it. Maybe it's a big wide
team anyways. But but I was sitting in that same
deer stand. This was two or three years everything, I
will say twenty ten ish, and I had it was
the last day of season. I had hunted probably three days,
the last three days season in that field, and I
had hunted the other side of the field for two
evenings and this big deer had come out on me.

(01:12:40):
I hadn't didn't have him on camera to know anything
about him, just seeing him and got eyes on him
at like six hundred yards two three evenings before, watched
him for forty five minutes of the binoculars. I was like, man,
he's a stud. Too far to make him. I couldn't
make a move or anything. So I went back the
next evening. I went halfway. I sat halfway down, I
set up halfway down the field, split the distance from

(01:13:01):
me and him. He came back out again like five
hundred yards stayed in that four five hundred yards in
a different spot of the field. He was with a
couple of days that were regular to that field, I'm assuming,
and but I couldn't get it was just too far.
Third evening, last day of season, I went sat in
the stand. My dad shot that deer out of which

(01:13:21):
he had been telling me if I want to he
told me, it's for two minutes in a row. If
I want to kill that deer, to go site that stand.
And I hadn't done it. If I'd have been in
that stand both those evenings, i'd had a seventy five
yard kind of kind of deal. But anyway, I sat there.
Probably it's probably forty five minutes for dark before it
was four no shooting light, something like that four thirty

(01:13:44):
four forty five here in Mississippi at the time, and
probably a one ten one fifteen eight point comes out.
I'm like this last day, you know, And he said,
dear man, it was an old enough deer. It wasn't
wasn't no baby. But he's probably one hundred and ten inches,
three year old, something like that. And I he comes

(01:14:07):
and stops broadside. He comes from six hundred yards out
fast walking and takes him just a couple of minutes
and just broadside stops it about eighty yards. I like
clicking the rais fronts like eight eight eighty eighty five steps.
I'm like, I get prod. I clicked the safety off.
I was like last day due, sorry, sorry, sorry, my guy.

(01:14:29):
I mean like, I love jerky and dang right and
snacksticks and they.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Especially with the halapinion cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
And I was about to squeeze off on this deer
and and I caught something, a flash of something in
the corner of the feld out of my eye, and
I looked and it was like six hundred yards coming
out of the corner that I had sat in the
first evening, the very where I sat, And this deer
comes out, and all I saw was the how wide

(01:14:57):
he was. And I was like, that's the that's the
differm came out on the this n that I'm sitting
on today for tunes in a row. I swapped it
this in he comes out O there he's making the
same line at this eight point, just made so I'm like,
I clicked safety back off, sat down and got up
a binoculars and I watched him he's slow feeding through
this cut bean filled. It takes him till thirty or

(01:15:18):
twenty thirty minutes of light left to see to get
one hundred and eighty two hundred yards. He took a
curve that the eight point didn't take and goes out
and when he stops, I dotted him at like one
eight five, which I can do, Yeah, surely with the
two seventy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
So I get.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
I get he's standing there looking. I don't know if
he was he had finally got in my line a
wind or something, and he's clearly an older deer, older deer,
but he was something. He had stopped and he was feeding.
He had stopped feeding, was either looking at some doze
or he had my wind was going crossing ways. I
think he had maybe catching me. Anyways, I put the
gun on him, squeeze trigger, boom, he drops. I was like, oh, yes,

(01:16:01):
this has been at the time, my biggest year by far.
He's probably I'm guessing here, mid thirties, one thirty five
somewhere in that range.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Nine point could have been one forty five you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Maybe, yeah, but he uh, it's I mean, I watched
him for thirty minutes with the monoculars to get him
to one one hundred eighty five yards or so, and
so I knew he had he was a nine point.
I was guessing him at say, I'm gonna guess, say
nineteen and a quarter inside.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
That's how long I had to just say, you know,
like I was looking at him like a man through
a corner.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
My man gonna be he's gonna be like eighteen twenty.
I'm thinking nineteen and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
I done decize him up like big time, like ticle
to death because I know if he stepped with.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Him to smoke it. Yeah, you know, I was in
a good prop situation. I mean, like he had no
idea I was there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
So he dropped.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
I shoot, he drops. I look, he just stands back up.
And I was like, gosh, dude. So I chambered another shell,
put it on him. Shoot he drops. I was like, yeah,
it's over two in him right, still still plenty of

(01:17:10):
light just see him and all this kind of stuff.
And I'm like, but just getting dark. And I was like,
all right, So I just I put the scope on
him and just look, I can see white belly on
the ground toward me. Man, that's something of his feet
flinched about twice. I was like, no, I chambered another round,
just centered his belly and put another one in him.
He jumps one again. He done. I called Dad. I

(01:17:32):
was like, hey, you have you at the house. He
said yes, and man, come down, come down. That told
him where to come down the creek. I was like,
I just smoke the giant, my biggest butt.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
He was like, that's the one you've seen yesterday to
day for yep. Got him. He's done. He's I'm looking
at him on the ground, been watching him for five minutes.
He's out. Hung up with him. I think I called you.
He was like, my voice is still shaking, dude, don't
take that scope off. I just killed the big stair
that I've shot shot and uh, it got dark. I

(01:18:00):
waited till I saw Dad's headlights coming down on the
other side of the creek, a little wolf creek or whatever.
And I so I got down the stand when I
saw them coming and started walking towards the deer. I
probably was like I was close enough to it that
it dark. I could see the a dark mass where
he was laying at but it was dark. You know.
I didn't have a flashlight or any time that I

(01:18:22):
could find. And I was probably fifty seventy four yards
and when Dad's headlights turned towards the field and shine
on him, all you see was the sillo of deer
and he just got up round on.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
I can't even laugh at that. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
I put three two semi rounds in this guy, right,
And I thought, well, he's not going far.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Yeah, I mean laid that belly Dad.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Outside the truck. We come over there, I go to
where he was laying at it. It's just a it's
just a pool of red. Yeah, you know, I'm like,
he ain't far. And so we looked with what flashlight
they had, me and him and my granddad I think
was with him, and we looked for thirty forty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
We go back to the house. You don't know this story.
Did We go back to the house.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Got a beagle that well, my little brother had a
bagel at the time that was that would track deer.
And we went and got I think got his dog,
and and one of my cousins went down there with me.
There was five of us, and we got the dog
on the blood and followed it all the way, probably
four or five hundred yards to UH. A guy named

(01:19:30):
Duane Ryan Hart was his name. He was a game
moredenan to his property and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
That should we cut us out? Are we good on that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
He was one of my grandad's friends lived up there.
He's passed away now, but all right, yeah, no good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
He's cool with that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Some some of my UH friends out there. But he
he knew the guy and was friends with him though,
and he he owned the property that had joined where
we hunted at. And so we got to the fence
where the deer had crossed and went over this guy's
property and I was like, I'm I don't see y'all,
I'm across, I'm crossing the fences. Yeah, yeah, my deer.

(01:20:05):
And my Granddad's like.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Nope, mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Is it as big as you say it is. I'm like,
it is my biggest buck. He was like, don't do
anything illegal trying to get that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Yeah, we're gonna do it. Was like, let's just go
the house.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
It's midnight at this point. Yeah, he was like, let's
just go the house and called you ain't in the morning,
and uh, and he's not gonna carry for us to
go in and looking for this deer on his place.
But I'm gonna call him in the morning and we'll go.
So I mean like I went home, didn't sleep the
whole night or whatever, and uh in daylight the next morning,

(01:20:40):
I'm I'm getting the truck driving back out to my
grandparents house, like, hey, get him on the phone, let's
go get that deer whatever. And uh so he calls,
uh calls a guy or something, and this guy had
grand kids. It's time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Some boys are there.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
I guess they deer hunting and stuff too, but they
uh he told him the deer was there, and we
got permissioned. I had to wait on somebody to wait
on Dad or somebody to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
For a wee could go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
We couldn't go to about lunch, and Dad wanted to
go with me to be with me. When we walked
up on the deer whatever it was, we knew it
was dead. It was poor, too much blood and we
so we went down there and looked nothing. We just
came up to a barber fence. We trailed to a
barboar fence, so nothing, just to pool of nothing, hair
and different stuff. I was like, man, is it right?
And one of that guy's grandkids was there. I guess

(01:21:27):
when my granddad called that morning, told him we had
a big one down and they went and got it
and the colties that ate it up. I guess because
it was dead. It was dead that night. The grandkids
went't got it, yes, and they I don't know if
they skull matter or what it was. The the guy
took it to work with him. One of my cousins
worked with him, becausein Brent worked with the guy and

(01:21:48):
he was like, man, it's a nineteen and a half
inch inside spread nine point and I was like, he's
like it's a monster. He's like it looks like something
that don't even bend come from around here. And I
was like, oh god, dude. And my little brother was like,
I go steal it out of the back of his truck.
It's in the back of the truck at work right now.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
I will get it right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
My cousin was like, he brought it to work this morning.
Oh I heard.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
My little brother was like.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
I's gonna get out of the back of his truck
right now. I don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
And I was like, no, I don't do it. We'll
call him and ask him. So we I don't know.
Somebody that knew the kid or whatever. We called him
and asked him, but they were like, oh no, we
didn't find any bullet holes in this year.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
He was eight byck Coties. He wouldn't give the deer back.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Let's get that deer back, man, Hey, dude, let's get
that deer back. Guess what this is the best far
the story.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
The guy who has the deer built a house next
to me is my next door neighbor. Now, really, I'm
assuming he probably still has the school at his house.
I've never seen it in person, but would he.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Like to trade some tickets? I mean, I think, but
just ident the deer.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
It's about a nineteen inch inside.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
With a really light color.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Now, but y'all that they found whatever, and I don't
know they made. I guess they probably didn't believe us
that we killed or something. I don't know how it
goes what their reason was, but he wouldn't let it go.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Man, Maybe we get that dear back. Maybe get that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
I'm not giving you a choice on favorite, because I
think you've probably got a bunch of songs that are
your favorites. But I can't leave. I can't leave the
podcast out here and you sing this, or just to
give us the first chorus.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
I keep the habit, the smoking back sometime.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
I tried the heart stuff, but I had to let
all that go. The toughest thing I ever gave was
today m hm. Smoothing old habits lacking.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
You are hard hard to bread.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
Old habits lacking. You are hard hard to bread love
with someone new. It's so hard to me and I

(01:24:42):
have grown so steel, and all of your an old
habits a lacky.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
You are a.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Man, mister Jamie David.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Everybody I know. It's a long one. Brother, your brother,
you don't know. I love you, proud of you, great dad.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Great, this is a family man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
He ain't say I didn't see this part. Covid which
part this part? Oh? I think I like we all.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Bet on the writing songs and the singing. I thought
Reid would be big artists.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Lamp, so did I. I thought we were just right for Reid.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Yeah, and I thought we'd be writing reed songs.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
But turns out I wanted to hunt all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
God same.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
But I didn't see the podcast. I didn't see the podcast.
Well it has to do with Jordan. It's great. No,
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
I'm just saying I bet on the rest of it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
And and well, it's like we said earlier, man, it's
it is. It's it's awesome catching a dream, chasing a dream,
catching a dream, but the fact that you get to
chase it and catch it with your brothers and your
best friends, and you get to do it and have
success for hopefully the rest of our lives in Nashville,

(01:26:08):
in Mississippi and Tennessee and wherever in the Midwest hunting
big deer man like, I'm just grateful and thankful we
get to do it together.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
So don't drop your dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
You can kill that they bet on your body.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
And a half inch wide. Dear, you can write that
number one song and bet on your buddies. Dude, I
was rot that. That's right there. Thanks for hanging out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
With us, hang out with us. We'll see oll next time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Peace.

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