Ep. 53: Meghan Patrick on Mushroom Foraging, Tattoos, and Being the Golden Child

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
H the cool guys today.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (00:10):
So, what's up? You're in God's Country? You read and
Dan is also known as the Brothers Hunt.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
We take a weekly drive to the intersection of country
music and the great outdoors, two things that go together,
like me and running out of gas or grandy and.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
A marketplace deal. Brought to you by Meat Eater and
iHeart Podcasts.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
We got on Megan Patrick today, Homie for a bit.
We're gonna talk about music. We're gonna talk about hunting
from that great North Dog. She's a diehard hunter.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
She loves it, serious about it, for real about it,
like we are cool cool, it's cool about it.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
She's gonna sing a little bit. We're gonna talk a while.
You're gonna really enjoy it, qu saying I said one time,
You've been talking this whole with a tea at the end.
Yet you want to say something so I don't have
to say everything, Just keep saying, dude, you do great.
Megan Patrick is awesome. You're gonna love this episode. Also,

(01:10):
we're gonna do a new little thing right here with
our sunglasses on what called the.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
I was wonderful. If you're gonna wrap the.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Market place minutes, the market place minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Who's got the first? Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:25):
No, I was just that's this. I thought there was
like a little bit. Now we're not good at it.
You got a marketplace thing, dude, Yeah, I do good.
Here's what I'm mad. Here's what I'm mad about marketplace.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Man. Let me just bring up a little conversation I
had with the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
We're not doing mad at market bet you're mad? This
is your marketplace minute.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
You're mad?

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean okay. Let me let me start
it with some some good news. Some good news is
that Grandy's on his way to Summertown. Our text this guy, dude,
he's got one on there.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Oh what I just do it? Text one on there?

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I deleted the text. I got some mad. Sorry. Basically,
it was a rundown of me going.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
No, you didn't you send it to me.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Oh that's right, I sent it to you. That's right.
Maybe you can get in on it. But I do
have his reply. I've really made this guy feel all right.
So it's on there for three hundred dollars, I'm like, hey,
or two hundred bucks. I'm like, hey, man, I'll give
you one fifty. Read that.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
No, it's not yet, keep going. I'll read it when
I need to, and I said, okay, kitchen eight induction.
I'll be there in the morning to pick it up
after church. And he's like, come get it, right?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Is that what it says? Not yet?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
No, that was the first one oh one fifty cash
pick up tomorrow. Come get it call me, that's the
other guy. Yeah, come get it. Perfect, That does that
not sounding you love? You loved the message. Come get
it and call me. Yeah I did, and then Perfect
holler at you. After church. He sent a thumbs up.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Right next day. Okay, what does it say? Now?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Keep going?

Speaker 3 (02:54):
It says, so so what you use what you sold item?
Okay or whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
While I'm sitting in church trying to, you know, yeah,
get my worship on, and I get the user has sold.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
You're also checking Facebook market.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Well, maybe it let me know.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Maybe I don't think it lets you. I don't think
it gives you the garifications. Sorry, preacher, I'd say sorry
to Jesus instead of the preacher.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
He already knows we were talking about it. He's probably
mad about this too.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
So at eleven o'clock ten fifty nine am.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
When church is out because it gets over at ten thirty.
Do you call this guy?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah? I called him. What happened? Read it?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Nothing happened?

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Read it?

Speaker 6 (03:35):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Ten fifty nine am, Hey, I called that number. Can
I still come get it today? That's your boy just
got out of church. True, could head to you now?

Speaker 3 (03:45):
All true?

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Because he's in Franklin. We go to church in Thompson Station.
So we were just gonna pop up. Oh you hadn't
read it until now. Huh No, I've read it.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Go ahead, go ahead, said good head to you now
he wrote back sold early this morning, space for about
five spaces. Sorry all lower caps.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
So at this moment, I'm red hot, right because I'm like, Bro,
you already said.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
We made a deal. Dude, we made a deal, right?
Is it not making a deal? Well?

Speaker 1 (04:19):
You wrote him?

Speaker 4 (04:20):
After he said that, you don't, Seane said, don't get
mad at him. I thought about it for a minute,
and she said.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Well, I know what you're mad at. It's gonna be
for the week.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
She said that to me in the car, and I
was like, yeah, because I'm sick of people doing this. Man,
I'm sick of people making deals. So go ahead and
let him know what I said.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
He said, Wow, thanks pal, thanks for wasting my time
and not being true to your word. All he wrote
back was got a better offer and he said you
accepted mine last night.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah. I had to let him know. That's it. So
that's not it.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
That's not it because what happened after that? I get
this text from who him, like eleven fifty eight, So
it's an hour after I said and I had called
first off, he calls me back. I'm like boot block numbers,
see you later. Then I get this on the on
the thread after I deleted it, Daniel, I want to

(05:18):
apologize on what happened today. Being new to marketplace period,
this guy shows up on my doorstep this morning. I
assumed it was you, handed me the money and loaded
it up and was gone.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
So I'm sorry for what happened. Good luck and God, but.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
I assumed it was you.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Here's the here's the thing, here's the issue. I have.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Ain't nobody just if that guy was telling the truth,
he wouldn't have written got a better offer?

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
It does a straight up light you know what I say?
And you know what else? People, you don't just put
something on your door or like put some on the
faceook marketplace, and then people just show up at your door.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
There's no unless you get accept unless you put your
address on the market like the albut which nobody does.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
It's not that's not lining up.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
No, the story is not lining You offered him one fifty,
somebody said, he said, well, I've already got to offer
for one fifty. He goes, well, I'll give you two
hundred cash this morning. He said, I take it, come
get it. Heay my address. That's sorry, dude, that's sorry.
B what thank you? You're dealing with marketplace, man, I mean,
so you expect so there?

Speaker 4 (06:23):
How do you feel like? I let's take a poll here,
how do you feel like? I responded to that message, Jordan,
what do you think? I said to the guy? I said,
it's okay, piss off.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Straight up.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
You got him though, a little bit, because he yeah,
oh I like And.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Shane said, why are you doing that? I said, so
that next time when he does.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
It, he'll remember, he'll remember did you get us? Or
so Dad's going to get your stove top?

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah, but this one costs fifty dollars more. But you
know what, maybe that's just Jesus making a marketplace way
for your boy, dude.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Maybe this one was while you're checking it in church.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Anyway, welcome to marketplace. Manue you bought anything lately? Uh No,
not off marketplace. I keep on, I keep on offering,
I keep on offering. I keep on low balling people
on side by sides, and everybody says like no, like
firm price.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
No.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
But I'm looking for a side by side. So that's
what I get on there and do that every time. Okay,
And I feel and I guess I feel like it's
like the only place to buy side by side because
that's the only place I'm looking.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
It kind of is it's it's it's time to start
the show man, it's time. That was a long one.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh okay, Well we got this one guy who wrote
us right oh.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Which talking about this job?

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Sorry, man.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
We love when y'all send us deer pictures. I can't
do this anymore. I can't see.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
We love. We love when y'all send us us.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Not even deer pictures, just send us anything we love
here straight up. This is from Evan Ghalil get What
all I can see is Ghalile Gilli Gilliland gilland Gilliland.
He's gon sorry, Evan, you killed a giant. Dear love
y'all show and wanted to share. I had the biggest

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one that got away. He put the quotes around it
of my life happened this weekend shot one hundred and
sixty five hundred and seventy inch sixteen point giant in Indiana. Hey,
you know what, he's lowballing that score and I appreciate that.
Attracting four hundred yards and lost blood after five miles
of grid searching, I believe I hit him in the scapula.
Send us a couple of pictures. It's great, and then

(08:32):
I don't have the next message. But I have a
picture of this giant deer that I'm guessing is the
one he killed, and it has a triton as a
brow tie on his right side.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
I don't know if you can see that, oh maybe,
but it's a giant else going over on his left. Dude,
I think he's underscoring this this bout.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, I think that's that feels bigger than one sixty
five and seventy.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
I'm going one to eighty, Evan, I'm going.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
To that's a hammer, dude, congrats, congratulations. Is that the
same dear man? That's awesome. Yeah, it's the same, dear.
It's gotta be well. I don't have the rest of
the message. It's just pictures. Hey, y'all send Yeah, y'all
keep sending in stuff that's fun to read and fun
to know what's going on out there in y'all's world.

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Speaker 4 (09:43):
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Speaker 3 (09:49):
That's right.

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Speaker 3 (10:22):
That's ten minutes intro. We're good on that piece.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Enjoyed making Patrick, You did it wrong. Wait, let's get
into this coffee. This mushroom.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
Dan apparently has some really strong feelings about it.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Your nasty one coffee cups, but she she didn't bring
me one, which is great. But I looked at yours,
and I saw you poor. I saw you poor yours,
and I was like, oh, that looks that looks that
looks delicious. And then I saw damn where it is
and it was like this orange watery thing. I asked
him what it is and he said the nectar of
my life, which is what just is that coffee?

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Just water?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
And uh the tangerine or whatever it is? Body armor? Yeah,
the orange body arm.

Speaker 7 (11:17):
Oh okay, like like energy drink.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
It's no, it's just regular old body of armor. Light
doesn't have sugar juice. It's just so what is.

Speaker 7 (11:25):
It what is it doing for you? It's just putting.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
I really like the taste of it's fair, and so
I just like I cut it with some water.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
I don't really drink coffee, man, it kind.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Of I wish I didn't like need coffee to exist,
I mean need it at this point I do.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
Really I never used to be a coffee every day.
I mean I I don't have to drink it every
single day. But the way I've been on the road
this year, I just the Celsius and the coffee has
been keeping me alive.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
What do you feel like?

Speaker 4 (11:56):
I'm as curious curious to avid coffee, Like, what do
you feel like it does for you?

Speaker 3 (12:03):
For real?

Speaker 6 (12:04):
I mean it just just wakes you up a little bit,
gets your well. So the the coffee that I was
about to tell you about this it's like a mushroom,
not like a fun mushroom coffee, but like but good
for your brain.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
That's why I said, I think you no wondering.

Speaker 7 (12:17):
No, no, it's not. It's not fun. It's not psilocybin.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
It's it's got like lions Maine and Cordyceps and Rashie
and Shaga and like which I've gotten. Okay, since we
since we got our place and we've got some land,
I've gotten really into like forging and mushrooms. Okay, Like
I have a whole folder in my phone of just
pictures of dope mushrooms that I've found on our property.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
But in a way dope mushrooms not liked of like
dope mushrooms, some of them.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
It could be. Yeah, I mean I don't like, you
would definitely feel something. I don't know if it would
be fun, but you'd be on a ride for sure.
Mitchell actually got really mad at me a little while ago. Yes,
he was on the road and I was at the house,
and I just, I just I love going out in
the woods. We just got a new place. We got

(13:10):
ten acres. Oh yeah, I'm living my dream right now.
We're just around Bellevue almost Peagrim area, and it's it's beautiful,
Like it's just ten acres of gorgeous, just hardwoods.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Was he trying to put up a deer stair with
you the other day?

Speaker 7 (13:26):
Yes, he did put up a deer stand.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I thought that was very sweet. I saw him.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
I've been asking him for a while, but we haven't
been home.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
This was this was literally the first time we had
more than a day together in months where we could
actually have like time off where I actually stand. Yes,
we we we've dude, We've built trails. We built this
sick fire pit.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Trails are looking good.

Speaker 7 (13:49):
The trails are looking fire.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
Let me tell you, my whole body hurts right now,
Like my hands hurt.

Speaker 7 (13:54):
Everything hurts. But it's a good hurt.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
It's like so rewarding every time we go back there,
cause we've been putting. We've put a few solid like
sun up to sundown days, just getting this ready. My
family's coming in this week, so I'm like, I'm excited.
My dad's the one who like gave me so much
of my love for the outdoors.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
He cut trails back behind our yard, that's right. And
I'm like, I'm like, I'm I want to show my dad, like,
look what I built, Dad.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
But yeah, I've been also really into mushrooms, and so
I found, well, I already hunt, right, I love to
eat things that I hunt. Why wouldn't I want to
like go full till and find some veggies out there?
And so one of the things I found it's called
Chicken of the woods. It's it's beautiful. It's really cool
looking mushroom. It's like bright yellow and orange. It looks

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like it might it might be bad, but it's not.
And and the thing that's great about it, it's great
if you're like a beginner forger because there's not really
any toxic lookalikes and it's very identifiable.

Speaker 7 (14:54):
So I took a picture. I sent it to do
you know Hunter chef Mike Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I hit him on Chef Hunter.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
Yeah, chef Hunter.

Speaker 7 (15:05):
Sorry, what did I say?

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, that's what I call him. It's Hunter chef.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
Right, what we knew we were talking about chef.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
We got it wrong. We were doing there. I thought
I had the Massio Instagram my page. I'd said it wrong.
I think I said chef Hunt. I think Hunter chef
is wright an chef, right.

Speaker 6 (15:24):
I would consider him, you know, a pretty knowledgeable guy,
obviously owns a great restaurant.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
A whole cookbook, the restaurant.

Speaker 7 (15:32):
Antler, Yes, in Toronto.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Yeah. So I hit him up and I was like, hey,
I found this. My husband is freaking out saying, don't
you dare eat this? But I want to eat it?
And he was like, yeah, it's chicken, he said Winter
winter chicken dinner.

Speaker 7 (15:46):
That's what it is.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
And he like, sent me, told me a recipe whatever.
So I went, I got a nice steak. I cooked
it up and Mitchell was like, this is so you.
He's like, I swear to God, if you die from.

Speaker 7 (15:55):
This sum I will kill you. He's like he was pissed.
He was not there.

Speaker 6 (15:59):
He's like, you better at least tell. He said, you
better call Randy. Tell somebody that you're eating this mushroom.
He's like, you know, Megan, we have grocery stores. Go
to Trader Joe's and I said, we got God's grocery
store right here in our backyard, baby, on this ten acres,
and look at this beautiful mushroom. Anyway, so I called
Randy and I was like, hey, Mitchell told me they
call you that, like I took this mushroom, so you know,

(16:22):
just letting you know. And she goes, oh, okay, well
I'm in Illinois, so that's great to know. It's like
everybody needs to calm down. Anyway, it was delicious.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
It was. It was delicious.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
I just I just sauck hate it with some cleaned
it really well.

Speaker 6 (16:38):
I even bought a special mushroom brush to clean it,
and I just stoked some butter, some schalllettes and some garlic, and.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
Yeah, it was delicious.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
Man, it sounds delicious and it's crazy. It's called Chicken
in the Woods because it's like it literally is.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
It's like chicken.

Speaker 6 (16:53):
The texture of it, like it's very dense and kind
of fibrous.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
I don't know, chicken, great word chicken.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, hunter chef. Yeah, she got it right from If
you don't recognize thosevelt that the vocals coming through the
microphone over there, we've got Canadian country music singing, Turkey calling,

(17:24):
multi c m AO and JUNO winner including Album of
the Year, Single of the Year, Female Artist of the
Year and Songwriter of the Year, Tattoo rocking, Big Deer
Killing most recently released her album Golden Child. We got
Meghan Patrick out in God's In.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
Yeah. I wrote that every time I walked into Jordan.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
My wife did not write that. I wrote that, how's
it going.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
Man, I'm just so happy to be here with y'all.

Speaker 7 (17:57):
I've been wanting to do this with you guys.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
You look cool.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
He was starting to hurt my feelings a little bit.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Well, first off, we're not for future and possible guests
we read and I are not responsible for the booking.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Of this show.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
Well I should have known. I just need to go
to Jordan along. But to be fair, I have stayed gone.

Speaker 7 (18:20):
I've been.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
Yeah, it's been.

Speaker 7 (18:23):
The craziest busiest.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
Yeah. Just I took my first single to radio, which
long time dream come true.

Speaker 7 (18:33):
And so a lot of.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
Radio shows and just a lot of big tours, like
some bucket list tours this year too.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Excuse me, I'm be doing that all day all right,
So if you're doing that, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
I think I double dose on allergie peels.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
I'm feeling.

Speaker 7 (18:47):
Yeah, it's serious right now.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
I'm amusing next d guy, and I don't feel like
it's doing anything.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
I just take the orange top thing in my my
docket bag. I think it's allergic medicine.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
I hope it is.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
It might not be, might be, I don't might be
something else.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
What do you take? You take anything?

Speaker 6 (19:04):
When I when I needed something? I have one that
I actually get in Canada. It's called arias.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
And I thought you gonna be like, I just go
to the backyard and forage for I got a mush
for that, I got a shroom for that.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
No. Listen, I've honestly yeah, I mean, listen, God gave
us medicine.

Speaker 7 (19:23):
It's coming out of the.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Ground, no doubt. I just don't really think about it.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
But mushroom coffee, Megan, dude.

Speaker 7 (19:30):
Listen, my brain is firing on all cylinders.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
That's all I know.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Why no one else is firing on all cylinders.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
Those overalls, I wear them a lot, like to the
point where people probably wonder, like, does she have other
I would wore these on my album cover, just your
most Meghan, Like, I just feel like me. They're comfortable,
they feel cool, you know. I feel like if I

(19:57):
needed to, I could go out into the woods and you're.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Cool right now. I mean all the time. I haven't
seen you with the new new shades. They look good
on you.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
She's got a hammer tattoo on her.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I hope I have.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
There's a little hammer and screw and it.

Speaker 7 (20:15):
Says screw you.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Oh yeah, I love that hammer.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Screw you.

Speaker 7 (20:20):
It is, you know, it's really funny.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
I get asked about these tattoos a lot, and they
are two of the dumbest ones I have, Like the reasons.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
You know, the one I love, Oh yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:32):
That one's cool, Yet nobody ever asked about that one.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
They asked about the So tell I'm going to ask
about that one.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Tell us some tattoo stories.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Well, you guys have heard can you show the camera?

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (20:44):
This is this is my first.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Book, literally, like the first book.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
She killed that and everything, and that's the coordinates where
I shot them, and you.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Guys, maybe don't show blur.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Those. No, you don't want you don't want to step
foot on that property uninvited. I so you guys have
obviously heard this story, but you guys don't care because
you love hearing this stuff.

Speaker 7 (21:13):
This is what we do, so I did. I didn't
grow up hunting, you know.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
It wasn't something I didn't have anyone in my family
that was into it. So it was something I got
into on my own, like in my like mid twenties,
late twenties.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
I love that about you, by the way, What made
you get into it on your own?

Speaker 3 (21:27):
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (21:27):
She just wants to eat some mushrooms, So she just
walks around and picks up mushrooms. This does wants to
I remember a season long Turkey season where she just
put a barn out there and was grinding every morning, and.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Shot a bird with like the last week or something.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Wanted to do it on her.

Speaker 6 (21:47):
Ound almost cry same.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
It was inspirational, Well thank you. Well, you know, I'm
just I.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Say that to say you you kind of just do
what you want.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
I do know, and I really like but I kind
of also when I set my mind to something, I
get pretty like obsessive about it, and it's very like
I have something to prove, which you know has served
me in life.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
But sometimes it can be a little too much.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
But anyway, I I got into it honestly. I mean
I was always into the outdoors. I love being outside,
play a lot of sports, you know. I liked fishing,
I liked hiking. You know.

Speaker 7 (22:24):
I grew up in the woods.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
And one of my buddies, Russ I, was over at
his house and he's like, Hey, come over, I'm gonna
we're gonna like grill out and smoke a bunch of meat.
I was like, okay, sounds great, and he like brings over.
He's like, try some of this, Try some of this,
and I was like, what is this. He's like, well,
this is vendicon and this is duck breasts. And I'd
never had wild game in my life. I was like,

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this is delicious, Like where did you get this? He goes,
I shot it. I was like, you just went out
and got this.

Speaker 7 (22:52):
He's like yeah.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
It's like, well, can I come? He's like hell yeah,
And I was like okay, So I went. And here's
the thing.

Speaker 7 (22:58):
This is Canada.

Speaker 6 (22:59):
You can't just walk into Walmart and buy a shotgun.
I had to walk because in order to get your
to get like a gun license and hunting license, I
mean I had to do a whole weekend course and
then I had to like send in an application. It
took it took me over eight probably eight or nine
months to get my license, like before I could even
go out and do this, just.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
How bad I want to kind of like in America,
you have to do a hunter safety course, which is
like the same thing you.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
Have to watch, but you also have to do a
firearm course as well. Okay, so you have to do
a written test and then you have to do a
practical test obviously show that you can safely, which honestly.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I'm cool with that.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
Everyone should y shit.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
Absolutely, Like the amount of times I walk into a
Walmart or a bass Pro and there's somebody about to
buy a gun that does not know anything.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
About safety is.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
Insane to me, and it should be such anyway, Yeah,
I digress. I went out.

Speaker 7 (23:52):
I did that. I called my buddy up.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
I remember it was it was spring, and.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
I was like, all right, what.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Can we what can we can I'm ready to go.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
He's like it's turkey season and I was like, okay, cool,
and so, you know, I get my like Walmart Camo.
I don't have no idea what I need at all,
fully underdressed in every single way.

Speaker 7 (24:14):
We get out there, and we walk out, we get.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
Hid under this tree by this field, and I sit there.
I swear it was like I didn't breathe for like
an hour watching. I was just trying to be because
he was like, all right, you have to be quiet
and you got to be still and so, and I
didn't want to be like the annoying like amateur you
know that comes in. It's like I'm never taking her
hunting again. So I was just like I sat there
like this. At one point he's like, are you okay?

Speaker 1 (24:40):
I was like, shut up.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
So we didn't see anything, and we went out a
couple of times and he was like, dude, I'm sorry.
He's like, I don't know, I don't know where they're at.
He's like said, do you hate it? Like do you
never want to do it again? I was like, hell no,
like I love it.

Speaker 7 (24:58):
And so that rolled.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
Into you know, my first duck season, which was the
first thing I ever killed, was a Mallard and I
remember I went out. It was me and all my
buddies that I grew up with and we're in the
blind it's first light and this single comes in.

Speaker 7 (25:15):
They're like, all right, Megan, this is all you.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
And I'm like and I prayed and I got it
and it was crazy because I shot him but he
was kind of coming almost in.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
We were like on the edge of like kind.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
Of a flooded field situation, and and he came in
and landed like on the land, like not even in
the water, and so I like ran over to like
grab it, and you know, it's still it's not post shot,
and I definitely hit it like they I hit it,
but you know, sometimes you got it whatever. And so

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I pick it up and I'm like he's still moving.
They're like wring his neck.

Speaker 7 (25:55):
I was like, you raise his neck? Like I was mortified.
I was like I mean, I don't think I need
to ease into this. That's a lot.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
And so one of my buddies came and he's like,
all right, this is what you do. He's like, just
do it real fast, show me. And I was like, okay,
that's a lot. But then, you know, we had this
gray morning. We went back to camp. They showed me
how to breast it, how to clean it. We went
and cooked it. We ate it that night, and I
was just like, this is the greatest day of my life.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
I'm really surprised at the brutality of that, and you
still being like, hell, yeah, man, you know what I.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
Mean, you're not going to lie to you and say
it they can shake me. It's there are still aspects
of what we do that that makes me uncomfortable. But
I think that's like actually good thing because it reminds
you of the sanctity of life and what we're what
we're doing.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I think that's part of the reason why you fall
in love with it. Yes, is the the raw and
the realness of that that you're going through. It's it's
you connect to that because it's unfabricated. It's yes, it is,
it is what it is. It's it is what it
was created to be and meant to be.

Speaker 7 (27:03):
Well, and it is serious. It's not a joke, right,
it's not.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
It's not what a lot of you know, kind of
anti hunting people would have you believe. Listen, those those
dumb redneck guys, they exist.

Speaker 7 (27:14):
I've hunted with them. It sucks. I know y'all have two.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, I think we've them together to get.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (27:22):
But no.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
But I mean that's that's why.

Speaker 6 (27:24):
I loved y'all and why I loved hunting with you guys,
because well, one, you know, I was still I'm still.

Speaker 7 (27:29):
New to it to this day.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
You know, I'm still learning every single day, and and
I'm kind of like annoying to where I just I'm
gonna ask a million questions, like I want to know everything,
and I'm gonna watch everything that you're doing, every little thing,
and I'm gonna ask, hey.

Speaker 7 (27:44):
Why did you just do that?

Speaker 6 (27:45):
Or what's what's the reason for this, or what's the
reason for that? Because that's how that's how you learn.
And and one thing I learned is like anybody who's
annoyed by your questions, they don't they don't share the
same passion. They're not in it for the same reasons
that you are. You were never annoyed by question were
you were.

Speaker 7 (28:01):
You were just as excited. You were excited to watch.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Somebody fall in love with it, like with with fresh eyes,
like you know, you were more than happy. And and
so many other guys and girls that I've met in
the hunting industry that have been a part of just
like teaching that to me and sharing that passion. And
that's a that's a beautiful thing when you find somebody
that you maybe just met and all of a sudden
you're up at four am to go like kill some

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together and you've never you don't know anything about them,
but you are connecting on at least that one thing.
You got to find happiness where you can get it.
And there's so much happiness to be found in the
outdoors and like hunting, I mean, that's right, it's there,
It's there if you want to take it. And I mean,
if you ever need a reminder of God's existence, go
watch a sunrise and a duck line.

Speaker 7 (28:45):
You know, if you ever.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
Need to just you know, like you ever need to,
just like after this week, CEM a week amazing great
time did a lot of people ing. I was like
I told Randy, I was like, I need to unplug
for a bit. Yeah, I need to go get out
in the woods. I'm going to work on some stuff
at my house. And that is like, it is so healing.
It kind of gets you to For me, it's like

(29:09):
sorting out all the junk. I've been storing junk in
my brain and like computing things all week with all
these people, and it's like, all right, I'm going to
sort this out, get rid of it, clear some space.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
It's a beautiful thing that the music industry lines up
that way with, like especially in Tennessee where you have
what I like to call Hell Week, just like the
awards week and all that kind of stuff, which is great.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Man.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
You do a lot of we do a lot of
work in that one week for the rest of the year.
But at the end of it is Thanksgiving break is
the Tennessee rut, and so you get to go from
that straight into a week of great deer hunting and
being in the outdoors and kind of clearing all that mess.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
So how many people did y'all talk to at VMIS about.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Or whatever awards show you went into about deer.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Oh, dude, I hadn't seen I hadn't seen LC in
a couple of months. And the first thing like it
was no, hey, what's up brother, good to see it.
It was have you seen Trevor's deer?

Speaker 3 (30:09):
And I don't know?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
And immediately Will he showed me a deer picture. I
talked to singleson and he was like, dude. Before I
even got upstairs, four people had shown me the same
deer pic.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
I saw Hardy Hardy from across the room and he's
standing there with his pregnant wife, right Kayley, and Uh.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
I was like, hey man, He's like, dude. They running.
I was like, I mean, we're getting close, Hey, Keley,
how are you doing? Like Kelly Cally?

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Sorry sorry Kelly, that's right, it's right. It looks like Kelly,
but it's CALLI. You're right, Thank you for correct Yeah,
I said, Kelly, this baby's gonna be awesome. It's gonna
be the greatest thing in your life. He's like, I know, man,
got any dear on camera.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
I'm like, bro, Well, I saw Dylan Marlow at the
Christmas Tree place yesterday with my kids. He's with my
kids in my hand. He was like, bro, can I
show this deer I've been trying to hunt. Yeah, it's
a thing.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
There's a there's a a sense of like accomplishment to
that that that comes with it, this like self sufficiency
and as somebody who has built like an entire identity
and like way of being around being feeling like self
sufficient and feeling it I can get something done for myself.
That's to go full circle back to the tattoo. That

(31:23):
that's why I got this tattooed on my arm. It's
not just a dear.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
Old cool in my arm.

Speaker 6 (31:31):
But you know, I.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
After so does that Mallard guy? Haven't seen that one?

Speaker 3 (31:35):
You haven't seen that one?

Speaker 6 (31:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (31:36):
Same, same?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
What's that?

Speaker 7 (31:39):
It's a couple of years old.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
Whoever did that is Cole Armstrong Black thirteen in Nashville.
He also did this one as well. But yeah, I
going into that my first year season, I was super
fired up after a successful duck season. I didn't see anything, like,
didn't even see a deer, and I out a lot,

(32:01):
you know. But also I'm sure there was a million
things that I was doing wrong because also the guys
just like kind of threw me to the wolves. They
just dropped me off, and they're like, all right, so
you're gonna walk about, you know, three miles down this trail.

Speaker 7 (32:16):
It's completely pitch.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
Black, and if you get lost, just.

Speaker 7 (32:21):
Sit down and you'll figure it out.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
We'll come get you, you know.

Speaker 7 (32:25):
And that was it.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
And so like there was probably a million things I
didn't I wasn't thinking about wind or I had no
idea what I was doing. I was just sitting out
there hopefully hoping to see a deer. Well that after that,
I was like, Okay, well that ain't gonna be next
year getting I'm getting trails. I'm gonna read some books,
I'm gonna watch some shows. So I go out there
and I'm, you know, sitting on the ground with my

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back against the stump, and in front of me, I've
got you know, on the there's like railroad tracks, there's
soybeans over here's cornfield over here. The only thing that's
behind me is like the house. Well, I hear like
a twig snap behind me, and I and I like,
I was probably just a squirrel, like it always is.

(33:09):
And I kind of like casually look over my shoulder
and I just see this rat come up, and.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
I went, are you on the ground.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
Man, I'm on the ground, like on my butt on
the ground, and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
There's nothing that jumps out at you like a deer
after spending days of not seeing not seeing ad and
especially if it's as the first one.

Speaker 6 (33:30):
You see, I felt like I not only was this
the first, like this was the biggest deer I'd ever
seen in my life. And so now I'm like doing
this turn on far so slow. When when he first
came in, I would say he was probably seventy.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yards okay, so not that far, yeah.

Speaker 7 (33:50):
Like close enough. Also, the wind is not in my
favor in this situation. Nothing about this situation is your time.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
That's right meant to be.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
So he he I finally somehow get quietly turned around,
and he still hasn't heard me, seen me, smell me anything,
And I'm like ready to take the shot, but he's
kind of like covered by some like young evergreen.

Speaker 7 (34:13):
So I'm like and I remember them saying like, wait
till you.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
Have a clear shot, Wait till you have a clear shot.
So I'm like, be patient, be patient. And then all
of a sudden, he whips his head up really fast
and I he was sort of covered, but there was
sort of a lane right where I needed to shoot,
and I was like, I got to take this shot.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
So are you freehanded this or you got a rest.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
I'm like kind of on the stump a little bit,
like my knee slashed up. I don't know, I can't
feel my body at this point. So anyway, he rips
his head up and I'm like, it's go time. I
pull the trigger and I feel good about it. I
feel good about it, but I don't know. I've never
shot a deer in my life. So he takes off.

Speaker 7 (34:52):
Yeah, he takes off, and I just keep shooting.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Let's go.

Speaker 7 (34:56):
I unloaded the gun.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
And he ran and probably I want to say, like
eighty something yards and stops for a second at this
tree and then keeps running into the woods and I
don't but it's like kind of covered, so I don't
really see. And in my head, I'm like, Okay, either
he stopped because he's like he's he's dying, you know,
or he was just kind of like, oh, like, well
was that? So I called and I'm like I just

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shot the biggest dear I've ever seen. And they're like, okay,
just chill out, like just wait a bit, wait, a
bit and then goes start looking and it's starting to
get dark, like this is the last day, in the
last hour.

Speaker 7 (35:33):
Of the hunt.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
And so I get up and I go to where
I feel like I shot him, and I can't find
blood anywhere. It's getting dark, it's leaves everywhere. So I'm like,
I'm gonna just start walking towards that tree because if
there's no blood there, like then I didn't I missed, yea.
And I'm almost up to that tree and I just
see the wreck just catches my eyes just on the ground,

(35:55):
just out of sight by this tree, Like I mean,
he dropped within two seconds after I saw him stop.
Oh No, there was blood. There was definitely blood there.
I had just missed where it was in the first place. Also,
I was freaking out, like I was still my vision
was blurry like.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
I was freaking out.

Speaker 6 (36:12):
And I will never forget the moment I realized.

Speaker 7 (36:16):
And going back to what we were talking about, I always.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
Say, like, it's not necessarily like a sadness because I
don't feel that I've done something wrong.

Speaker 7 (36:25):
But there's a weight to it.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
It's heavy, you'd taken a life, but it's so's so
many emotions running through your head. Because also, I'm like,
this is like two years of me putting in the
work and being patient and like grinding and showing up
and showing up and showing up and seeing nothing nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.
And if that ain't a metaphor for the music industry
and what we do, I don't know what is. And

(36:48):
so it's it's it's teaching me lessons I need to
learn every day.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
It does that.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
I feel like it teaches you valuable, valuable lesson ain't
no doubt.

Speaker 7 (36:58):
Lifeless patience.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
We had h We had mitchellone and one of my
favorite things he would talked about you about was we
asked him, were like, do you do you do any hunt?
He's like, man, not a lot. He was like, but
when we're like, what about Megan, and he was like
he said, he was very like he it makes him
so happy when you go out and hunt and then
come back with either a kill or or nothing. You know,
he was like, he was like, I'm just it seems

(37:23):
like he's very supportive of that, of that dream.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, it's obvious.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
And let me just let me just hit the old
B break right here for a second. It's fun to
see someone who's so passionate tell a story like even
that right there was fun for me.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
I know that story, and I know that in my
head I was I was there.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
It's almost like seeing and you can relate to this
like watching somebody get their first cut, you know, and
they're like, oh my gosh, I got a.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Name some artists.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
I got a John Party color. Yeah, I can't believe it.
I've been working for twelve years, and you know, in
the back of your head, you're like, man, this is great,
you know. And that's how that's how we feel about
about hunting. Like we've been doing it for so so long.
It's still just as shiny as it ever was. But
you know, man, you get used to it and get
used to the stories, and you know, and to hear

(38:22):
somebody like yourself just describe that moment, describe that hunt.
It's a lot of fun. It's honestly kind of inspiring, truthfully.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Well, so good on you. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:33):
Well, I'm lucky to have a husband that because there's
a lot of times where I'm trading in time with
him sure to go hunt, and it's like, oh, I
have time off of work, I'm gonna go get on
a plane and still go somewhere else that it's not
with you.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Not a lot of time that y'all have.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
Yeah, and we don't have a lot of time. But
I mean, I think that's that's why we work. You know,
he I understand what makes him tick, and he understands
what makes me tick. And we both, you know, understand
that to be happy together, we got to be happy
as individuals. And he knows that I'm gonna And honestly,
it's like, well, if I would I rather hang out
with her being kind of like mopey and salty about

(39:08):
life for somewhere else, or or I can like or
she's gonna come home, probably with some dinner, and she's
gonna be like excited, She's gonna be fired up.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
She's gonna be in a good mood. You know, she's
gonna tell me about about her weekend.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
It's like, you know, it's a match made in heaven. Yep.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Are you trying to get him in the woods?

Speaker 6 (39:24):
And so I'm I'm getting finally got him to agree
to come duck hunting this fall. I think we're gonna
I think Duck and Laney are gonna take us out alright, Yeah,
which I'm you know, he's he's more of a hunter
of like kind of opportunity like if something comes up
and he's like he feels like he's got.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Hunt.

Speaker 7 (39:46):
Yeah, I mean it's he likes it.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
He's just not like he's not necessarily carving out time
for it, like you know, which is which is cool.
But yeah, I'm excited. We we haven't done a ton
of hunting together. We went Turkey once, very unsuccessfully. He
ended up taking a nap in the blind and I
was just like, you cannot be this unserious right now.

Speaker 7 (40:09):
And he was just like, he's like, there's Joe Birds.

Speaker 6 (40:11):
I was like, well, I'm not with that act.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Now with you solid logs in here there, I am.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
So you formed your first band when you were thirteen.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah, I did not know this.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I just studied opera and jazz in the university and
once let a ten piece funk outfit come home and
I could go for it too. Do you remember the
band name?

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (40:41):
Yeah, of course. So my first band when I was thirteen,
we were called the Sirens, which I think is still
a sick band.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
That's pretty, that's that's dope.

Speaker 7 (40:50):
I mean we're a bunch of thirteen year old girls.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
It's like, like, let's name ourselves after after these mythical
creatures that sing beautifully.

Speaker 7 (40:58):
And learnment to their deaths.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
Sounds rock and roll, sounds punk rock, you know, and
uh yeah, we were mostly a no doubt cover band. Honestly,
I was quite still quite obsessed.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
That.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:17):
So that's that's part of why I put the cover
of just a Girl on Golden Child. It was just
it was a very autobiographical record, and like being in
that band and like seeing Gwen's Funny live for the
first time was definitely one of those light bulb like
I want to be her, I want to do that
kind of thing. Yeah, I just I studied study music

(41:39):
since I was I guess twelve thirteen, and then when
I was in college, that's when I had the funk band.
We were called New Groove Orchestra, and we made a
couple of records.

Speaker 7 (41:49):
It's some touring, yep NGO.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
DIDs, some touring.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, we did an orchestra don't really go together very well.
So that's the that's a nice little play on that.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
Right then we thought it was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
So what kind of what kind of stuff?

Speaker 6 (42:03):
It was very like Tower of Power esque kinda kind
of vibes. I was. I was the only girl and
only singer. I didn't play any instruments at that time,
but I was writing a lot of the stuff with
a couple of the guys in the band, and that
was it was awesome. I mean we played a lot
of like bars and clubs. Obviously, like in our we

(42:26):
were in college town. We were in McGill in Montreal,
and then had one of the guys in our band
was from Vermont which is not too far so we
he had it in at a few bars there. So
we started doing a little bit of touring, played some
summer festivals and stuff, and so that was kind of
my first taste of like touring a little bit.

Speaker 7 (42:45):
Really caught the bug there.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
And then also mixed in with all of that was
I was a competitive snowboarder from like all through high
school and like that was my dream initially was to
go to the Olympics. That was like the big thing.
And senior year of high school was warming up at
a competition, went off jump. It kind of just shot

(43:09):
me like straight up, like it had more vert than
I expected. And so when I went to rotate. I
just kind of overcompensated and like if this is my head,
this is my board. I went like this and so
I snapped my collarbone, just located my shoulder, broke my back,
broken ribs, severe concussion. Yeah, it was and it was

(43:32):
like literally, I mean, I'm pretty sure I was about
to qualify for like Junior Worlds in Switzerland that year,
and like I'd made a deal with my parents that
if I made the national development team, Like they were
cool with me not going to college right away because
I wanted to do that. They wanted me to go
to school. And so yeah, just in like a split second,
all of my dreams were just ripped from me. But

(43:55):
that was, like it was such an important turning point
because that was and my trajectory changed to music. That
was like the only thing I had during that recovery.
It was a very long, very painful, very depressing time
in my life. And you know, I just I listened
to a lot of music and was writing a lot,

(44:16):
and that was just kind of my only outlet. And
so you know, I ended up going to school to
study music. That's how I ended up in the band
and everything and kind of had a renewed love for
music and touring and writing my own songs. Now yeah, yeah,
and I've been I mean, i've been back on my board.

(44:36):
I actually I ended up after my first year. I
quickly discovered that opera was not for me real quick,
and you know, I wanted to I wanted to go
back to snowboarding. I felt like I didn't. I didn't
like that. It felt like I had just like quit,

(44:56):
not on my own terms. And so I I've told
my parents, like, I don't want to stay in this program.
It's not what I want to do. I'll stay enrolled
and take like two you know, classes for the year
or whatever, but I'm I'm going to go back and
compete for a year. So I talked to the coach
for the Quebec team and started training with them.

Speaker 7 (45:17):
And I did one more year. I ended up getting.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
Another concussion, which the doctor was like, you can't get
any more of these. But it was fine. I was
at that point I was starting to play more shows
and it was like I felt like I got closure
kind of I went back. I sort of faced the
fear of like, Okay, I'm going to get back on
my board. I'm going to compete, and when I'm done,
it'll be on my own terms. It'll be because I
said so so yeah, So that kind of closed that

(45:42):
chapter for me in a good way. And I would
still I mean, if I didn't live in Tennessee, I would.
I would still go every weekend and just you know, cruise.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
But would I think I've had too many concussions in
my life.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Can be smart. I think it's a fond video of
you having a concussion.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
On do you have of it? Video of me having
a concusion? They just chatted up for I'm gonna I'm
gonna count the concussions I've had. I think the first
one I ever had was in basketball. I took a
charge and and where the court met the baseline was
was wood court to concrete, and my head hit the concrete.

(46:18):
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure I had my first
one there. I'm pretty sure I've had a couple of wakeboarding,
like like trying to do flips and stuff like when
they're in that learning process of like going from just
jumping the wake to actually doing a barrel roll across
the lake. I'm pretty sure I've had a couple. Found
one time I jumped awake on a sea do and

(46:38):
came off the sea do and when I hit I
hit like this, my head hit. I'm pretty sure I've
had one there. I flipped a four wheeler and hit
my head and had one. And then snowboarding, I think
I've had. I think I've there's a medicine the medicine
ball and was a no doubt or I think I've
had too many. I think I've had too many concussions.

Speaker 6 (46:59):
I've definitely had too many.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Is this the video where I was like, I'm done,
that's it.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
You said that and we had to have a zoom
in on this you uh you said? You said as
soon as you now You're like, I'm done. Yeah, I've
never done this.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Is that this video and Gallenberg that's when I broke
my elbow. So because in Gatlinburg, it's not like it's
not like up there breaking ridge. It's like they spray
the snow and then it freezes and its eyes.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, just you watch this fast.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Is this when I was doing the you can hear me,
that's when I broke my ribs. That's what I broke.
Is that a breaking ridge? Yeah? I broke my ribs.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
The mic and just let them. You can hear me.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, this is right, this is breaking ridge.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
We were a.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Little kickout kick in like three miles an hour.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
You're going to.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I think, yeah, there's nothing more embarrassing than the noises.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Oh man, I remember you said.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
He said. He was like, was that going real fast?
I was like, it doesn't look like this video.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Snowboard is a young man's game, yeah, or girls game.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I mean I remember when I went. I went off.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Well, first off, you remember the scary trail when we
went with Depressed and was like, hey, I'm up here,
meet up and he was skining. He was like, I'm
up at the top, meet us up here, and we
hadn't seen idn't seen him in like months and we're
at the same resort. I was like, oh yeah, we'll
right up and meet you. We didn't know. We went
to Double Black like Double Black Diamond. We were like

(48:57):
thirteen thousand feet and we were the only storm snowboarders.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Everybody else everybody is alpine ski in up there.

Speaker 7 (49:06):
Look at these idiots.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Shall we ride down? And They're like no, it was
I mean somewhere.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
So I want to say, in my life of five
panic attacks, that was definitely one of them.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Because when I was update.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
How long did it take us to get down that thing?
The double hour? I know, I had to take a break.
I finally just got halfway down, just sat down. I
was like, dude, I just got chilled, for sake, man,
I still had like two hours to go. Yeah, it
was awful.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
So I want to say we were we were in
Breaking Ridge and that's the tallest peaking Breaking Ridge.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
It was like thirteen It was like thirteen two or
like twelve seven or something like that. That's probably little
to you, but anyway, it was up there. There was
literal like snow. But I mean it was like this
coming and I mean it was straight in and I
was like I can't do any kid, but I couldn't
breathe it there anyway, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
It was It was terrib is awful.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
And after that, I was like, you know what, man,
I think I'm done snowboard for life.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Like, I don't think I would go back. I don't
think I would do it again.

Speaker 6 (50:09):
Well I mean you just well, yeah, probably not if
you're trying, if you're getting on runs that are way
out of yours. I've been snowboarding more of my life
than not. I mean, my dad had me on skis.

Speaker 7 (50:22):
Like before I could walk.

Speaker 6 (50:23):
He was just like, I just put your little legs
in the in the boots and it went up over
your knees so it kind of held you up. And
then just put me on a harness. And I still like,
there's just no need to be doing all that. Just
go cruise to cruise. Is like I work in the
music industry. Life's hard enough, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
So you decide you get out of snowboard and you
decide to do the music thing. Yeah, you're extremely successful
in Canada. You become song or our Female Artists of
the Year, Single of the Year JUNO winners. What was
it that that sparked the interest to want to jump
the border and come and come to the US.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
Because it's of course, yes, I am actually an American citizen.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
I was laying under a truck.

Speaker 7 (51:07):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
No, I would like to specify that I also was
an American citizen before I met Mitchell. So we just
married for love.

Speaker 7 (51:13):
It was not for the I have an American to delete.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
That and just and put that and make it and
cut it up to where it says you only married Mitchell.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
For I know some stories. I know some stories.

Speaker 7 (51:32):
You know what actually do it? Do it?

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Is it like starting over?

Speaker 7 (51:40):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
It's like negative starting over because on top of starting over,
there's like a weird stigma around Canadians in Nashville. I'm
not really sure like what it's rooted in.

Speaker 7 (51:57):
I have I have thoughts, but.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
You know, I want I want to know what you're
talking about.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
So you're saying in Nashville there's a you have felt
a bit of a stigma.

Speaker 7 (52:07):
Of coming down to Nashville for real.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Because I'm honest with you, I'm not playing dumb here.
I don't necessarily know what you're talking about, but I'm.

Speaker 6 (52:15):
I mean, I don't think I don't think it's it's
not really it's not the necessarily from the.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Writers all you're saying the business.

Speaker 6 (52:24):
It's more of the business industry side of things. It's
definitely for the most part, like you know, the writers.
I mean, I'm super grateful to some of the first
people that you know, Bruce Wallace, Yeah, you know, Marty Dodson,
Patricia Conroy, Phil Barton. They were some of the first
people to write with me when I first started coming
down to Nashville.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
It seems like the writer game, which we're all a
part of, like you don't care, right, like you're just
trying to write.

Speaker 7 (52:48):
Are you good?

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Do you have some transcend borders?

Speaker 6 (52:51):
You know?

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I mean like they transcend the world?

Speaker 6 (52:53):
I think, you know, I think a little bit of
it is like that Canada is sort of seen as
like the farm team to the big leagues of country music,
like the quality and I I don't necessarily disagree that
to an extent that and I'm not I think and
I'm speaking to just maybe the music that was showcased

(53:16):
on radio that I'm not saying there wasn't great music
being made in Canada.

Speaker 7 (53:19):
Because there was and is always has a vow.

Speaker 6 (53:23):
I just think that a lot the majority of what
was being played on radio at that time, I'm talking
like ten years ago, it felt like a lot of
it felt like it was chasing the trends of Nashville,
like it was you know, a year or two behind
kind of and it was also and it's like you know,

(53:44):
kind of a and also because the money's not the
same too. So I think even a little bit maybe
within the writer community and business community of like well, yeah,
like if you get a number one in Canada as
a writer, like that's cool, but it's not like here,
you don't get a party. You know, you're not making
You're not making like oh I can put a down
payment on a house money, you know. So there's a

(54:05):
lot of reasons, you know. And I think too, It's
just and I have a whole I have a lot
of issues actually, you know, with with Canada and like
the way the industry is. I don't feel like they
make their own stars. I don't feel like they prioritize
their own artists, you know.

Speaker 7 (54:22):
I know that, like as an.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
Artist who fully built a career first in Canada, already
found success in Canada before I ever even came down
to Nashville or even made an attempt at having a
career here. I built my career entirely in Canada, touring
in Canada, tour with radio stations, you know. And even
before I had a record deal, I'd already been I'd
already been across the entire country multiple times with multiple

(54:47):
different bands, you know. So I was a true Canadian artist,
and yet when it came to you know, award shows
and radio, I was still passed over. For American artists,
even even ones that weren't even super big you're saying,
I'm talking about in Canada. I'm talking about to this
day in festivals still get I still I still get

(55:09):
pushed back in slots on festivals to open for a
male American act that like has maybe never even been
to Canada, maybe it doesn't even have a number one
yet in America.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Let's go viral.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Don't do that, especially if they're trash.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
I don't need to just go look at the just
go look at the lineups. And I'm not I'm not
even hating on on those these acts.

Speaker 7 (55:30):
It's not their fault like that. I'm saying. The problem
is in the industry. I mean in same thing.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
It's like when they're like the the award shows and stuff,
they're always trying to they're worrying about bringing you know,
American acts to to get the ratings, and it's like,
you know, and and for me it's like I built
a career. I was one of the few that was
in my in those categories building a career actually in Canada,
a lot of other people I was, you know, quote

(55:56):
competing against or whatever, had American record deal lived in
America had almost entirely American careers and maybe came and
shot over to Canada for a few shows here and there,
and but they were being valued over me.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Wow, And once it does feel like that, Like once,
once that game is being played, when when they do
just throw a Canadian artist in there for the fact
that they're Canadian artist, it becomes a oh, well they
just did that to Yeah, you know, it's already saturated
the market too much.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
It's kind of cutting the legs out from under you. Honestly.

Speaker 7 (56:29):
Well, and here's the other thing too.

Speaker 6 (56:31):
Part of part of the reason why I moved has
is out of anyone's control and is nobody's fault per se.

Speaker 7 (56:37):
It just comes down.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
To the simple fact that there's as big as Canada is,
there's just not that many markets. There's not as many
markets to play. Like you if you want to play
all of the big festivals, which you do because that's
where you know a huge builting crowd is, it's where
the good money is, and do a ticketed tour, you
have to be really strategic about where you play and

(56:58):
what festivals you take because of proximity, clauses and radius
is all that stuff because there's just not as many
as many markets to play and and they're really oversaturated already.
A lot of the big markets are still like blue
collar communities where you know, I mean the economy right now,
people can barely afford groceries, let alone a concert, let

(57:19):
alone multiple concerts coming through their city, you know.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
And so for you to say acn concerts.

Speaker 6 (57:30):
And and so for me, a big, a big drawing
factor was I love to tour, and I wanted to
be able to tour constantly as much as I wanted to.

Speaker 7 (57:39):
I mean, you come down to the US, I mean, you.

Speaker 6 (57:41):
Could literally just tour Texas year round and not run
out of places to play, let alone the rest of
the country. And that was that was really appealing to me.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah, we just had Terry Clark on and and I
saw that that's my girl.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
Well she thinks for you, I mean, one of the
biggest the as far as like Canadian artists go. She's it,
I mean, and you know, I've been lucky to be
able to call her a friend to you know, I've
gotten to know her a lot more over the last
few years, and she's become such a great mentor, you know, honestly,
like this this record that I just put out, Golden Child.

(58:20):
You know, I had a I had a honestly very
drunk and a little stoned late.

Speaker 7 (58:27):
Night phone call with Terry Clark.

Speaker 6 (58:29):
I you know, i'd went gone to radio with the
Michael Ray single last year, Spirits and Demons, and like,
you know, it was it was. It wasn't a tough decision.
I love the song, love Michael. It was just more
so understanding, Okay, we're going to be pushing back my
own timeline to put out a single to radio. But
it felt like a great move and his team everybody's like,

(58:50):
oh my god, it's a hit. Like it's a hit.
And I had even just other writers friends in town
like messaging me being like, dude, so the song sounds
great on the radio. It's a smash like it's going
on the way. I've got everybody telling me this, and
so I'm feeling good and I'm doing, you know, a
bunch of radio shows on top of my regular touring,
like we're doing everything, all the content, everything you're supposed

(59:12):
to do. I'm out in I think it was like
Portland or something, doing you know, a free radio show.
And after the show, I get a call to find
out that they're pulling the single after it has just
been killing it, And I was like, what do you
I'm literally here, i haven't seen my husband in two weeks,

(59:33):
and I'm here playing this this free radio show, doing
everything you've asked, and y'all are just gonna pull it?
Like for what I was just so I felt so defeated.
I was so angry and so frustrated, Like, God, what
am I doing wrong? You know what else could I
be doing?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
You feel like you're wasting your time?

Speaker 7 (59:52):
Well that's what it felt like at the time.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Not only that, but a lot of time. That's say,
everything you've you've been striving for and ground and for
for so many years to get to a point when
you're taking the song to radio just to have that pulled.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Yeah, And honestly, that's an I different deal. But I
mean I feel like that's a different deal when it's
just you. Like, when it's just you grinding and you're
wasting your own time, it doesn't hurt as bad. But
when you got a husband and a wife that you
could be spending that time with, Yeah, and you're just
out there spinning wheels, dude, it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Hits a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:00:24):
There's a lot you're trading in for sure to do
what we do.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
And I, you know, I was, I was, I was
just beside myself and I got pretty faded and called
Terry Cark.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
She'd be a good one to talk to you in
that moment.

Speaker 6 (01:00:41):
I feel, and you know, it was one of those
things where I was like, I don't even know she's
going to pick up, but she did, like the angel,
she is my little guardian angel, and she I think
had a couple of whiskeys as well, and I just
I started sweeling my guts. I was like, Terry, I
just don't know. I don't know what else to do,
Like I'm I'm so frustrated. And this is also coming
off the heels of like, you know, I went through

(01:01:04):
this horrible, really contentious parting of ways with an old
management team and I don't remember that, Yeah I told you,
I can't, you know. But and then lost my first
record deal COVID, Like all these things happened, and then
I felt like I was finally just starting to get
back on my feet with this Michael Ray single, because
it felt like nobody had paid attention to me, nobody

(01:01:26):
had even looked at me.

Speaker 7 (01:01:27):
Nobody was thinking about me, believing in me.

Speaker 6 (01:01:30):
And then when he called me about that song, it
felt like for the first time I was being seen again,
like it was the first yes in.

Speaker 7 (01:01:37):
A long line of nose And.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
Then it all kind of came crashing down and Terry goes, well,
She's like, Megan, I have watched you work your ass off.
She's like, you were one of the hardest workers. I know,
I know how much you love this. And she's like,
you know, I watched you. We did some shows together.
She's like, I've watched your live show. She's like, you
have put in the work. You're doing great. She's like,

(01:02:01):
but do you feel like you've ever actually made the
record that you want to make, like one hundred percent?

Speaker 7 (01:02:08):
And I was just like, no, I haven't.

Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
I had to be honest with myself and except that,
you know, in the wake of losing that record deal
and then COVID, it felt like everything. I mean, it
was financially emotionally incredibly draining. I mean, it took everything
from me on both fronts, and you know, I got desperate.
I just desperately felt like, you know, Canada didn't care

(01:02:33):
about me anymore. I couldn't get anybody to look twice
at me here. It just felt like no matter what.
But then at the same time, I have people telling
me how talented I am and how great I am,
and it's like, well, one of y'all's lying.

Speaker 7 (01:02:48):
Somebody's not telling me the truth here because.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, and at that point.

Speaker 6 (01:02:53):
And so I but I finally had to acknowledge that
I had gotten desperate. I had started taking in all
of these external opinions and I was giving them too
much validation.

Speaker 7 (01:03:06):
I was seeking that validation. I was looking around the room.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
Waiting for somebody because I thought, like, well, I tried
doing my things my way. I just need to, like,
I just need to get back on my feet. So
I just need to listen to the people around me,
you know, and just do what they say and then
they'll help me and we'll get back on our feet.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:03:23):
It didn't work that way. Wow, it does not work
that way.

Speaker 7 (01:03:26):
Don't ever do that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm telling you. And I mean,
that's a lesson I had to learn the hard way.
But Terry just said, she's like Megan, She's like I
think that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
She said, how old are you?

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
And I said, I think I was thirty six at
the time. I was like thirty sixtions. She said, well,
if you're ever going to go all in on yourself,
I think now it's probably the time that's right.

Speaker 7 (01:03:47):
And I said, you know what, you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
And so you make the record you wanted to make. Yeah,
I mean you were actually kind of not even intentionally
doing this second ago, but when you were saying that
about her being the angel on your shoulder, that's one
of my favorite songs record.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Dude, man, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:04:09):
And you know, I like the title.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
I like Golden Child's thank You.

Speaker 7 (01:04:13):
Well, it's it truly like it's my favorite thing I've
ever made.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
And you got vulnerable on it your mom.

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
Well, I mean that song Blood from a Stone, I mean,
in a lot of ways, that song was kind of
the catalyst for everything else. I had never been that
honest in a song that like brutally honest about something
that was very real to me. And you know, just
a topic that's kind of generally like taboo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
And if you're supposed to sing about in the first place, right.

Speaker 7 (01:04:46):
Well, there's a lot of judgment that comes around.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
Like and I've learned this as like an adult child
that no longer has a relationship with a parent, which
in my case it's my mother. You know, a lot
of people don't understand that. And it's like, on the
one hand, I mean even Mitchell, you know, when I
was kind of going through that, like when we met,
I still had a relationship with her, but it was
very it was on very thin ice. It was not

(01:05:10):
in a good place. And so he was with me
throughout everything that happened, and me, you know, starting to
reaching a breaking point and then going to therapy and
then kind of learning and understanding like, oh, this is
like really toxic and not normal and not okay, and
this is actually shaping me as a human in a

(01:05:30):
really like negative way, you know. And and it's it
comes down to that's where Golden Child came from. The
title of the album came from that song. It's the
first line in Blood from a Stone. And that is
how I was sort of conditioned and raised to believe that,
you know, my value was entirely reliant on my success.

(01:05:53):
If I wasn't successful, then I wasn't valuable. And and
I lived that with my mother, you know, And that
does a number on your self worth, and it does
a number on how you view relationships and how you
allow people to treat you, because you know, in an
industry where it feels like you're never doing enough, you're

(01:06:15):
never successful enough, because there's always someone doing better, always
someone doing more, making more money, getting more spinds, you know,
more and more and more.

Speaker 7 (01:06:23):
It's never enough.

Speaker 6 (01:06:24):
The second you get that number one, okay, well when
you get in the next one, you know, And and
so that's a really dangerous mindset to have that golden
child mindset in an industry like that, and and it
just it was starting to destroy me. And I just
finally realized, like, I don't want to live my life
like this. I don't want to feel like this anymore.

(01:06:44):
And I tried, you know, I had a conversation. I
had many conversations, you know, with her, and begged her
to change a million times, and she never did. And
the final straw I ended up, you know, it was
we were a few months out from getting married, and
I said, de Mitchell, I was like, I don't I
don't know if I can imagine a world where she's

(01:07:05):
there and it doesn't ruin the day in some way.
So I wrote her a letter and basically laid it
all out on the table, like, this is everything that
you've done that's been really hurtful and like deeply damaging
to me and our family. You've never taken accountability, you
don't show any signs of wanting to change your behavior.

(01:07:25):
And until you can do that, I can't have you
in my life. And she never responded, and to this
day has never acknowledged that letter or you know, and
it's been two years, so but it was at the
same time. So the day that I wrote that song,
it had been three days since I had sent the
letter with no response, and I think it was like

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I went into that room that day understanding that I
was not going to get a response, and really like
no answer was an answer, loud and clear, sure, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Sure.

Speaker 6 (01:07:57):
And so as much as a lot of people think
that's really sad, it is, but for me, I remember
that moment as being cathartic and freeing. It gave me
permission to move on.

Speaker 7 (01:08:09):
Wow, it gave me.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
Permission to stop feeling like it was my responsibility to
maintain that relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Powerful you got to lay it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
You kind of have to lay it all out in
order to get to a place to where you can say,
all right, I was honest about how I feel balls
in your court kind of situation, and if if they
don't pick it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Up, yeah, like you said, that's your answer, and you go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
One way or the other on that situation too.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
It's like in life if you if you get to
that point, that's a learning moment, you know, you throw
it out there and you're like, all right, well, this
is how I feel. I've got it all out and
I'm not holding anything harbor or anything anymore. And then
you move on from that moment to better parts of life,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:08:52):
And I think it's like the thing that people need
to understand too, is like it seems like such a
serious thing, such a taboo thing, because she's my mother.
But at the end of the day, like mothers, fathers,
daughters were all.

Speaker 7 (01:09:06):
Just people, sure, you know, and so that's just a person.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
I would never I would never allow anyone else in
my life to treat me that way. I would never
keep anyone else in my life that made me feel
that way. So why would they get a free pass?
You know, happiness is a choice, and your happiness is
your responsibility, and if somebody is keeping you from that
and is affecting the way you view yourself in such

(01:09:31):
a negative way. Like I just knew there was no
way for me to heal the things inside of me
that needed to be healed unless I, you know, there
was some separation there.

Speaker 7 (01:09:42):
And that's what Golden Child is, That's what the record is.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
It's the journey, the journey of my healing and my
lessons learned and learning the things, you know. Even that
spread out into my relationships with men and like being
in relationships and chasing toxic guys because I thought that's
what I deserved, because I thought that was normal. I
thought that it was normal for someone who claims to

(01:10:06):
love you to abuse you, and that it was your
responsibility to stay and fix them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
That had to bleed into boy who cried drunk.

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
I mean that it's all over it.

Speaker 7 (01:10:16):
Yeah, it's all over it. And and I learned.

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
How to leave that kind of relationship first because it
physically endangered me, you know. And then I started going
to therapy and and and then I ended up in
another one. And then it was like I had to
take the step back and get some self awareness and
be like, Okay, not my fault that these men have,
you know, abused me or done these horrible things. But

(01:10:41):
there's a pattern here of the type of guy that
I kept thinking I need to be with.

Speaker 7 (01:10:46):
Why am I attracted to this?

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
Why am I, you know, trying to be with people
with men who treat me like this?

Speaker 7 (01:10:53):
And I had to dig deep.

Speaker 6 (01:10:54):
Into the whole psychology of that and and I and
I know where it's all rooted.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
Okay, So there's a chance there's a chance that right
now someone listening to this is in that kind of
a spot. I mean, what advice would you give to
somebody to get help and to get out, to get
out of that, because you know you've been there and
you can come through the head space of it. And
there's probably a lot that two dudes don't understand, don't

(01:11:20):
that I don't even understand.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
I mean therapy, like literally go to therapy. And if
that's something that's that you can't afford, is not available
to you, like journal, you know, write write it down,
but like you've got to dig into the dark. It
will not go away. It just festers, you know, and
and it you'll find that first it's it's learning your
patterns and learning the behaviors that lead you to hurt you.

Speaker 7 (01:11:44):
In the end, you know, and recognizing your part in it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
As a dude who has had no experience with that,
it would I would go, well, just leave right, you
know what I mean, which is.

Speaker 6 (01:11:54):
Like, well, it's hard to leave somebody that's mistreating you
when you don't think you just are better. That's the problem.
It's your it's your lack of self worth. It's your
understanding of what a normal relationship looks like.

Speaker 7 (01:12:10):
When your normal is toxic.

Speaker 6 (01:12:13):
Then that's what that's that's what you expect. You don't
even know that better exists, or maybe you do, and
you just don't think you deserve it, right and that
and that was certainly my problem, and that's why that's
why I put it into these songs, because, like you said,
I my hope is that somebody who's going through that
here's these songs, sees a piece of themself and then

(01:12:34):
sees the hope that comes, you know, in later on
in the record, the you know, where you get to
the healing part and the leaving behind the part, and
the learning to understand that you deserve someone great and
that you can find somebody great even when you think
you're going to be dying alone, you know, and and
so yeah, that's that's I just think that God gave

(01:12:57):
me these gifts and gave me this platform too to
help other people.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
So I always love hearing about like an artist because
it's different for songwriters, right, Like, we don't create records.
We write songs, and there are particular songs that we
start and we write and at the end of that song,
it's changed us a little bit because we got a
little bit of ourselves out of there and out of
here and into a song. I love hearing artists talk
about records like you're talking about it that like at

(01:13:25):
the start of it and at the end of it,
you're a changed person. And it was that record that
that took that, you know, And it's not just it's
not just a product of fourteen fifteen twelve. Well, however
many songs are on there. It's just like, hey, here's
some music. It is this, this is bigger than that,
this is this is this is my life. This is

(01:13:47):
a stepping stone for me to get where I am
to where I want to go. And I need to
get all of this out into a format and here
it is. I feel like some of the that's some
of the best records out there.

Speaker 6 (01:13:57):
Well, I feel like I feel like that's.

Speaker 7 (01:13:58):
How records used to be made. In a lot of ways.

Speaker 6 (01:14:00):
There there was a theme, there's a story, there's a flow,
like there was a lot of intention and time and
thought put into the order of the songs. The record
is meant to be listened to top to bottom in order.
It takes you on a whole journey. And I've been saying, like,
if you really want to know me, just listen to
this record, because it really is me just telling all

(01:14:24):
because you know, I kind of hit my rock bottom
like with my career and just personally like in the
last few years, and I just kind of decided like, Okay,
if I'm gonna get back up and take another swing,
I'm gonna do it on my own terms. I'm gonna
be really honest this time about exactly who I am,

(01:14:47):
because I've had people telling me my whole life how
how to tot Yeah, this is who you should be,
this is this is what's marketable about you, this is
what isn't show. This don't show that. I mean, even
like I had people telling me to lie about my age,
you know, like like there's something inherently wrong with me
because of like how long I've existed on earth, right,

(01:15:09):
you know, even even though like going back to the
Canadian thing, like when I was trying to get a
US record deal, I don't don't don't tell them you're Canadian.
I'm like, what, like again, that does a number on
you when there's things about you that you literally can't change.
I'm telling you like that automatically makes you less than
you know. And it, like I said, I just I

(01:15:30):
got tired. I was like, this sucks. I don't want
to live like this anymore. And then I realized, I'm like,
I don't have to. I can do whatever the hell
I want, and and you know what, I just have to.

Speaker 7 (01:15:41):
I just it was a leap of faith.

Speaker 6 (01:15:43):
It was a test of my relationship with God and
my faith of just it was a lot of praying
and believing and trying to truly listen and pay attention
to the things He was providing for me and the
way that He was guiding me. And you know that
that led me to make a truly honest record. There's
not one song, not one sound on that whole record

(01:16:07):
that I don't love, that isn't exactly what I want
it to be.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Well you can tell, yeah, you can. He'll just listen
to it.

Speaker 7 (01:16:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
We want to touch on your nonprofit for domestic abuse victims.
How can people get involved with that? Kind of share
your passion behind that?

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
Yeah thing, Well it started.

Speaker 6 (01:16:24):
I mean I've been passionate about that for you know,
since I got out of my own abusive relationship about
ten years ago and the first time. You know, I've
done a few small like fundraisers and stuff since then.
But last I guess two years ago, I wrote the
Boy You Cry Drunk, and uh, October, I think I

(01:16:46):
wrote it. It was like late September or something, and
October is Domestic Violence Awareness month. And I had posted
it on you know, social media TikTok and and it
was kind of having a moment, you know, and and
he was like, I think, I think we should just
release this for Domestic Violence Awareness Month. And so like
we pulled it together in like a matter of weeks,

(01:17:08):
and she was like, let's have like a let's do
a fundraiser around it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:13):
And so we pulled this together in weeks.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
We'd released the demo as is, and I mean it
got showcased like iHeart played it across all of their
stations and the women of iHeart Country and we threw
an event did I did like a writer's Round at
the Nashville Palace.

Speaker 7 (01:17:32):
We did it in the front room.

Speaker 6 (01:17:33):
We sold it out, which was amazing for having to
put it together in like.

Speaker 7 (01:17:37):
Two weeks, and it was.

Speaker 6 (01:17:40):
It was one of the most special, fulfilling nights I've
ever had. It just like really lit a fire in me.
And I told Randy, I'm like, because I've always told
her that I want to have my own charity, eventually,
my own foundation. I'd love to be able to even
open up shelters or you know, whatever, wherever the need is.
And so we decided to make it an annual event.

(01:18:02):
This year, we had just released the album, so we decided, well,
let's double it. Let's take all this great buzz we're
getting from the album and channel that into a great cause,
and we'll do the album release party as the fundraiser.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
And so we decided we.

Speaker 6 (01:18:16):
Were going to do a couple of rounds and then
I would play some songs off the record full band,
and they were like, well, we think we should do
it in the back room. And I was freaking out
because it's a significantly bigger room and I was super nervous,
and you know, I pulled in all my big calls
to all my talented friends, and it started with the
first few girls I asked just happened to be women,

(01:18:38):
and then it turned into a whole female lineup, which
was kind of unintentional in the beginning, but it was
really cool.

Speaker 7 (01:18:45):
And you know, it was just first of all, for.

Speaker 6 (01:18:48):
Me, like selfishly, it was so it was so like
heartwarming and so feel good to just have so many
people show up for me. And I know these are people,
these are women. I mean, Ella has been on the
road constantly having a huge year and she made time
to come do it all my girlfriends. You know, it
was just really cool to have so many amazing people

(01:19:09):
show up for the event. And yeah, we packed the
room out. It was it was crazy, and we raised
over eighteen thousand dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:19:17):
And the YWCA does has an.

Speaker 6 (01:19:21):
Amazing program for survivors of domestic violence. It's it's really comprehensive,
one of the things that I always thought was really cool.
So they now also have like a state of the
art pet shelter on the grounds because one of the
biggest reasons why a lot of women won't leave their
abusers because their dog. They can't bring their dog with
them if they have to go to a shelter. Shelters
won't accept dogs. And I mean I wouldn't leave my

(01:19:43):
dog either.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:19:45):
So the fact that they you know, they've just really
thought of everything. So and we're gonna we're gonna keep
growing it every year and hopefully I can get it
to a point.

Speaker 7 (01:19:52):
Where I've got my own charity.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Yeah, that's good for you. We usually do it this
at the first part of the episode. What you're mad at?

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Just tell us what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
What you're mad at? Is it you in lost Kids,
might be your boss man or your neighbors cat. Just
tell us what.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
A little different on you today doing it and instead
of the beginning, everybody who's been waiting for what you're
mad at, you're welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Sorry it was on the show. Now, then we're gonna
do three things in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Okay, are you mad at anything?

Speaker 7 (01:20:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
I've been doing a lot of traveling obviously this year,
a lot of flights. Yeah, dude, if when that plane lands.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
This is a good one. This is a good one.

Speaker 6 (01:20:53):
You get up and push your way past everybody to
get to the front of the plane, unless you are
telling me, hey, I'm so sorry you got to flight
the kids. My flight is leaving in ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Telling everybody sit your ass, sit down, better, sit down,
sit that ass down.

Speaker 6 (01:21:10):
I I can't explain you rage that fills when I
see that happen. It's just like, dude, do you think
any of us want to be on this plane any
longer than we have to?

Speaker 7 (01:21:22):
This is hot, We want to get off. None of
us live here.

Speaker 6 (01:21:26):
This might come as none of us actually live hereself comfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
It's not comfortable, so fart.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
To Your time is not more valuable than mine.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
No, agreed, I can't. That's a really man.

Speaker 7 (01:21:38):
That's exactly I'm mad just thinking about it too. There
I can picture the faces of a few me too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Said happened on my last flight where a guy got
up like knocking people's with rags.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Just stop right here. I mean still got three cords them.

Speaker 7 (01:21:52):
Do you think I want stick a foot out.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
Bro, I'll just stand up. It's kind of like when
people when you know you're supposed to get in the
change and they just try to go behind the right,
and then there's always that one truck that pulls over
and just drives where he It just keeps everybody. Yeah,
and they start humming and trying to go around him.
That's kind of what I do. I'll be like, well,
I just get my big ass in the middle of
this this little walking lane.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Anybody running me over? Dog, you have to climb over
these seats, baby, Okay, staying that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Dude, Hey, let's do this right quick. It's the holidays.
Do you have any favorite traditions, any like holiday traditions
that you do. But that's going hunting and killing big deer.

Speaker 6 (01:22:29):
I just I just like getting to see my family.
You know, they still live in Canada. They're actually they're
all getting into town tomorrow. So I'm just excited to
eat some good food. And you cook anything, Yeah, I
do so. A couple of years ago and I well,
more than a couple now, when I started going over
to Mitchell's mom's place for for Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
She seems like a good cook.

Speaker 6 (01:22:53):
Cook Debbie Well, I would say his aunt Vickie does
a lot of the cooking.

Speaker 7 (01:22:59):
She's great.

Speaker 6 (01:23:00):
She can cook anything and everything.

Speaker 7 (01:23:03):
And I made I make.

Speaker 6 (01:23:05):
This like cheesy Brussels sprout castrole thing, which like I
know a lot of people are Brussels sprouts haters, but
they say that this this is I mean, if you
cover anything and enough like cheese and like good stuff,
like it's pretty good. And so I brought that one
time and Mitchell's uncle Kirk really just loved it. So
now I had it's my thing, ye that I bring.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
You could you could like sprinkle a little mushroom in
there now and let's get the party.

Speaker 7 (01:23:31):
Really get the party.

Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
Little micro dos castle that would get me divorced.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
All right. We did two things.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
We didn't talk about this before, but uh we do
the one that got away, which could be a fish,
a deer, a song. You know, we always say this one.
Kolbe Kalay had a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars gift.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Card get away that somebody gave to her that she
let expire. It's actually twenty five thousand dollars, but we
just keep throwing it every time just to see fancy
was a stretch to.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
See the face.

Speaker 7 (01:24:01):
I was like, how do you even spend that much?

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Twenty a big number jumped.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
I thought we were sixty we were I just wanted
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
We have just been up in it every five thousand,
every time we tell.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Some twenty five grand, which is still a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:24:16):
Resort.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
It was a resort, yeah, resort.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Spend the week getting massaged.

Speaker 7 (01:24:22):
Oh that would that was her expire though.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
I think she I think she finagled and got it back,
but that was her one that got away.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
I'm sure that was that thing you had to say.
But it's set time.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Of the show for the one we always sing that
you say, you say time, I couldn't you say.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Trying to say yours now and we're small swapping. Sorry,
it's probably good bit.

Speaker 6 (01:24:47):
A little interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
Yeah, they're supposed to be spaced out because they're actually the
same progression.

Speaker 6 (01:24:53):
I didn't notice.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Thanks, not like our songs.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Our songs are all different.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
I'm not trying to not true.

Speaker 6 (01:25:02):
When they got away, When they got away, it is
a deer, and it's the first and only buck I've
ever come within range bow hunting. But there was a
couple of things at play. Where this type place at uh,
this is at my friend's property out in Goodletsville, actually
the same place where Mitchell and I got married. Well,

(01:25:26):
first of all, I was in like a ground blind,
which is not really ideal with a bow.

Speaker 7 (01:25:31):
It's kind of a weird situation.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Certain they make certain blinds for it is not it.

Speaker 7 (01:25:37):
Is not for that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:39):
It is like a gun hut. But that's just what
was there in that area. I had two other stands
up in other places, had hunted them with no luck.
So I was just going to try this spot. And
when I saw when I saw him, when I first
saw him come in, I would say he was probably

(01:26:00):
about maybe sixty yards, but he kind of cut out
and he was walking head onto me this whole time,
walking head on, walking head on, walking head on. I'm
waiting for him to turn. I'm waiting for him to turn.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Are you drawing back?

Speaker 6 (01:26:11):
I'm I'm like, I'm ready to go kind of thing.
And I'm just kind of watching him, And finally he
just stops for the.

Speaker 7 (01:26:23):
Longest time, just face on with me. But like he's close.

Speaker 6 (01:26:28):
I would say he's probably forty me.

Speaker 7 (01:26:33):
Personally, I probably wasn't. I was wanting him to get
into like thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Yeh.

Speaker 7 (01:26:37):
I still am new with the bow.

Speaker 6 (01:26:39):
I'm not pulling a ton of weight.

Speaker 7 (01:26:41):
I want to take a shot. I feel good about.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Right, a shot over thirty yards. Honestly, it's tough for
the most avid bus it really is. Man should get
past thirty it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:52):
Starts going, and so he starts walking up. I'm like, okay,
it's about to happen, and my butthole is in my throat.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Gross.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
But that tasted awesome, Yeah, disgusting your breast.

Speaker 6 (01:27:05):
It tasted like grizzly and black coffee.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Okay, wonderful turkey gobble over that. That'd be cool if
we didn't Probably.

Speaker 6 (01:27:17):
Anyway, I feelings up and then he just turns into
the woods and he did stop broadside. I'd say he was.
He was probably up at about thirty. I just there
was there was branches. Yeah, it was one of those things.

(01:27:38):
He was a really nice eight like he he was
a shooter like he was, especially with a bow, no question.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
I wanted him, yeah, buck favor.

Speaker 6 (01:27:48):
And he turned and it was like I knew that
shot wasn't going to get any better, and I just
I stopped for a beat to think about it, and
then he was gone.

Speaker 7 (01:27:59):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (01:28:00):
In hindsight, I mean, at the end of the day,
I do feel I made the right choice with the
circumstances given, but that did not stop my brain from
looping that moment. Every single night I went to bed
for like six months, Like every time I had two
seconds to just think about anything, That's what I was
thinking about, and I would run it over in my head.

(01:28:20):
Should I have taken a shot?

Speaker 7 (01:28:22):
Why didn't I take the shot?

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
Like? Did I really not take the shot because it
wasn't a good shot?

Speaker 7 (01:28:28):
Or was I scared? Was I just? Am I a
terrible hunter?

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Am I just?

Speaker 7 (01:28:34):
Am I a fraud syndrome? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:28:38):
So that one that ate at me. And matter of fact,
now that I'm talking about it again, I'm probably going
to think about it when I go to sleep tonight.
So thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
That's great. You're a good hunter. I'm sure you made
the right decision.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
The story, Yeah, it's it's if you.

Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
Don't have this, it's only it's the only the closest
I've ever come to actually being able to shoot a
deer with my bow.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
It irks me when I hear people just taking pot
shots just because they don't want something to get away.

Speaker 7 (01:29:07):
Well, that's my whole thing is like, it really sucks.
It sucks to think about it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:11):
Yeah, it sucks to think about that situation and obsess
over it, But it would have sucked even worse if
I just like injured it or didn't make a great shot,
and then it probably gets ripped apart by kyotes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Honestly, I'd say that's more of being a like, that's
taking a bad shot is way. It is way more
telling of you as a hunter than not taking me away.

Speaker 6 (01:29:35):
I think you. I think in the end, I always
feel like if I have to second guess it, if
my gut is making me second guess this shot, I
shouldn't take it because I think I think you.

Speaker 7 (01:29:44):
Will regret the shots.

Speaker 6 (01:29:46):
It's like the opposite of what they say like where
you will regret the shots you do take the bad
shots you take more than the shots you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
It's a great way to think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Did Michael Scott say.

Speaker 7 (01:29:55):
That, Yeah, you miss one hundred percent of the shots
you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
Take, Michael Scott, Michael Jordan's No, He's well, Michael Jordan's
said it, But Michael Scott.

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
Said Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan's Michael Scott, Yeah, assistant to
the original man, Let's.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Do uh, let's do Yeah, let's do favorite this kid,
This is not the greatest or your favorite. This is
a blend of the two song that comes to mind
potentially that you could sing a verse in a chorus
of Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:30:25):
You know what.

Speaker 7 (01:30:25):
I've been thinking about it all morning.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
My brain has been going back and forth between two songs.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
Say both of them, because there's a chance maybe I
could play.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
One of them.

Speaker 6 (01:30:33):
Okay, one of them is Trubadour George Strait. That has
been one of my go to that favorite covers.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Let's see how does that go?

Speaker 6 (01:30:46):
I've played a little higher, but play I play it.
Throw that cao on what does that half step down?
Or sander? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:30:53):
Throw it on four G. Yeah, I think it's a
beat or something. Yeah, that's s Fiel twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
Uh moll still the time, you might still raise a
little cane.

Speaker 6 (01:31:07):
See with the boys back to g.

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
Honkey, Tom's a pretty women. I'm still I deal with
them singing.

Speaker 7 (01:31:20):
About the cry no.

Speaker 5 (01:31:25):
Soontimes. I feel like just James, still trying ling knowing
nothing's gonna change.

Speaker 6 (01:31:37):
Right. I was a young true.

Speaker 7 (01:31:43):
Do when roning all the song.

Speaker 6 (01:31:48):
I'll be a.

Speaker 7 (01:31:50):
True do without.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
It's great song.

Speaker 6 (01:31:57):
The older I get in this industry, the more I
feel like I'm living the words and it's just like
but it's like it's kind of I just love that
idea of like, no matter what I go through, no
matter how what I do, like I am who I am.
I came in that way and I'm gonna leave that way.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Come on, really, I mean, I already know you're a
great singer, but you're a really great singer.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
What's your other one?

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Tippy raspy rain? It's real, it's real nice, Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Sorry, Oh you're good.

Speaker 6 (01:32:25):
The other one is John Prime Angel from Montgomery?

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
You do that g safe spot?

Speaker 7 (01:32:33):
Yeah, I could probably sing it there. I am old woman.

Speaker 5 (01:32:41):
Named after him, my mother, my wo man, there's another chip.
Dreams will come through this song House when burned down

(01:33:02):
a long time?

Speaker 6 (01:33:04):
Go come on, leep me na flies from Uncle, make
me poster.

Speaker 7 (01:33:17):
No, just kill me one thing long I can go
on to.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
To be leaving is.

Speaker 7 (01:33:29):
Living just alway?

Speaker 6 (01:33:34):
Come on, man, realize that song.

Speaker 7 (01:33:38):
It's the last verse. Uh flies in the kitchen?

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
Can you hear the buzzy?

Speaker 5 (01:33:44):
I can't hear in buzzy? I know nothing since uncome
today right here, Helleen, don't can a person.

Speaker 7 (01:33:59):
Go to work?

Speaker 5 (01:34:00):
In the morning.

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Come home and have nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
Say made me angel the flies from uncle me, make
me a poster. Come no, just giving me one thing
lo I can hold on to to believe in livings.

Speaker 7 (01:34:34):
Just away the jam.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
That's a jam, man, Megan Pastiate.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Yes, that was.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
So much fun.

Speaker 6 (01:34:44):
Man. I love You'll thank me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Thanks for thanks for hopping on and you're rocking. You're rocking.
I love hearing uh, and I've heard your stories and
know your journey, but I think it's great to let
everybody else hear it and hear the the spark and
the inspiration and and the grit and the ground that
you still have and that you're putting in your music

(01:35:06):
and these albums and and your everyday life is uh,
it's it's it's it's inspirational.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
And we love you and everybody and everybody loves you,
you know what I mean. There ain't nobody in this
town that don't.

Speaker 6 (01:35:16):
So I'm sure there's somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
I don't know if there is.

Speaker 7 (01:35:24):
I mean, they might hate me, but they're wrong, and
I hate them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Well. We love you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Thanks for hanging out with us in God's country, of course.
Next time,

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