February 20, 2019 • 44 mins
Stephanie is back from London and she gets emotional very quickly as she opens up about her brother, her family and The Hills. Stephanie can't hide her raw and vulnerable feelings as she sheds a few "non mascara" tears.
Then things take a shocking drastic turn when Stephanie is able to finally confront her former Hills "boss" Kelly Cutrone after ten years.
Even calm cool and collected Wells was in shock and stressed out by their intense conversation.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is I Heart Radios prad cast with Stephanie Pratt
and Wells Adams. Let's do some Pratt casting right episode five,
starting right now, Wells Adams hanging out with Stephanie Pratt.
This is the weirdest thing in the world because I
haven't seen you. You know, I don't even know how
(00:23):
long years, five weeks, seven years, yeah, something like that.
I forgot what you looked like. I forgot what you
sounded like. Right, But you're back in Los Angeles. You
got back from London when I got back last Monday.
So I'm in l A for a while. We're doing
lots of pressed stuff because the Hills is finally coming back.
(00:45):
The Hills are alive with the sound of music, the
sound of Natasha Beddingfield. I know, I really hope that
that's the song that they use for Hills New Beginning.
They don't tell you that kind of stuff. No, I
don't know if they've decided. Yeah, everything has been so
up in the air. My schedule changes every hour. Yeah,
that's Hollywood for you. But so you're back and you're
(01:06):
doing what you're doing a bunch of press. Yes, So
last week we did all of these social media videos
that were so fun. So it was the whole cast
and it was two days and this will go on
MTV dot com, YouTube everywhere, and I think it's going
to come out the beginning of April, right before the
(01:28):
Hill starts. And that's when the Hill starts. By the way,
I'm going to give you guys a date hopefully next week. Yeah.
So now we're on the official countdown to the Hills return.
So tentatively the beginning of April. Is this an April
fool's joke on me? Is that what this is? No,
it's not this. This is actually real. I'll get you though.
(01:49):
Do you get to see any of the episodes before
the air? No? But at this press day, I guess
they've been putting together like a promo of the series.
And the two girls I was walking from stage to
stage and they're like, we saw a promo whoa? And
I was like, WHOA good? And they were like you're
(02:10):
gnarly And I was like, so WHOA bad? And they
were like no, like it's great, but like they really
put some clips in where it's like whoa. And I
was so, I have no idea. I'm so scared that
I'm going to be hated, but so are you nervous still? Like,
what is your mental state state going into this? Therapists
(02:31):
on on the clock. Yeah, after this, I'm going to therapy. Um.
It's really scary. And as much as I want to say,
like editing has a huge factor in it. I mean
this time around, I think because The Hill's got so
(02:51):
much flak for being fake, that it's so real. I
don't really think the editors are like messing with anything.
I think it's just going to be true to itself,
which is really scary. What do you like do you
have a like a like a moment in time of
an event that happened while filming this most recent season
where you're like, I don't know if I'm ready for this.
(03:14):
You know what you did. We were all rooting for you.
That's not the rest of it. After you know what
you did. And then he goes, what I do? What?
But I do? I was doing Tyra Banks? Oh my god,
I love Tyra. I went on the Tyra Bank Chef.
It was actually really sad. I was for an eating disorder.
I'm sorry that I got from filming The Hills. Uh,
(03:38):
next week we need to address that, Okay, Okay, yeah,
I've got some stuff to say about that. Um. So yeah,
this this time around, it's very real, the hardest. I mean,
no one else has their family on it. I'm the
only one that has my brother and sister in law
on it, and it's really rocky. Um. There have been
(03:59):
times where I kind of like what am I doing?
Like is it all worth it? Is this going to
help the relationship or make it worse? But my brother
and I are like doing amazing. It's so weird. The
original Hills broke us, and the Hills New Beginning as
fixed us. Like I love this new series so much,
(04:22):
like love it. It literally fixed my family. If we
weren't filming, I'd be in London and these nine years
of not talking spending time together would just turned into
ten eleven, twelve thirty like it would. It would have
never just I'm just really grateful for the show. Well,
(04:42):
I can tell you getting emotional about this, which I
guess is good that Like, I don't know, man, I
can only see it the prison that like I experienced
reality TV, you know, And I remember I didn't want
my parents to be involved in it, Like I didn't
want they asked me about hometowns, And I was like,
I don't I can't have my family involved in this,
(05:04):
so I can't even imagine what for your reasons. My
family is crazy, not crazier than the Pratts. No family
is crazier than the Pratts. Different, yeah, different, crazy, But
um well, I'm really glad to hear that. Like, I
don't know, the thing that broke you is the thing
that's that's fixing you guys. Is it going to be
weird to have to relive like you said you had
(05:27):
PTSD from the show just doing it then that becomes
the whole other thing of having to relive it again
on TV, Like are you gonna be able to watch it?
I honestly, I don't know. Yesterday I was doing interviews
because we don't have a narrator for The Hills New
Beginnings bridging interviews like the Bravo shows and how most
formats are now, and I had to kind of relive
(05:50):
some parts and I was just like bawling, crying. It
was so hard. I'm sorry, m I really, you know,
I really missed my brother and now you guys are back. Yeah,
I mean, it's a it's a hard road. I mean,
(06:12):
it doesn't really happen to the end of the series.
But um, yeah, it was really sucky. I'm glad that.
I'm glad the show worked. I guess right, it's so weird.
I yea, would you say, it's real? Real, absolutely real.
She's crying right now. It's gotta be real. You know,
this looks very very authentic from my eyes right now. Uh,
(06:38):
I think Spencer and I over share and we're so
honest and we can't really hide from who we are.
And some of the other cast members are really good
at hiding. They're dark stuff and they put on you know,
great facade and they're protecting their image. But Sensor and
(06:59):
I can't do that. It's just not in us. So
for us, it's very real. I don't know how the
other cast members found it, but I know it was
definitely the hardest for us. Well, I will say this
from doing you know, however, many seasons of The Bachelor
and Bachelom Paradise and stuff. The one thing that I
always found interesting the were the people that were fake
for lack of better term, we're really concerned about how
(07:21):
they would look, uh watch everything that they would they
would say. Um, they always come up across on TV
super inauthentic because they're trying to be something that they're
really not. Um, So I'm excited to see. I don't
know the juxtaposition between you and your brother, who are
just like nothing but so real, compared to a bunch
of other people that are just like really worried about
(07:41):
like maybe how they come across, you know what. That's
what I'm worrying about right now, is I wish I
could have, you know, Ben, not fake, but cooler on it,
not like held it together. Yeah, and you know, didn't
show all the neitty gritty parts in my life that
aren't pretty, because I I'm really worried that I'm going
(08:04):
to be hated. Yeah, because I'm not you know, the
happy fake Let's go shopping. I have no drama in
my life cast member. I don't know, but I don't
know if America likes that fake. You know, I think
they do because I watched The Bachelor last night and
I haven't seen the other I haven't seen the other episodes,
(08:27):
but the girls on it. First of all, they all
look like they're in a sorority sleepover slumber party. They're
so young, I'm but they're all so fake and and
he's he falls for it. Like, I don't know if
this is like dumb guy stuff, but the fake girls
always win in my experience. For a minute, I don't
(08:51):
know it's the nice guy finishes last, Like I don't
really even believe that. I think the villains and the
fake people always win. Well, maybe so the nice guy
will if that's true what you're saying about these this
new crop of girls and who he's got left in
his kind of final five or whatever. The nice guy
will finish last because it will be Colton finishing last
because he will have found someone that's not real. But
(09:14):
you don't know that. I don't know that. I have
no no idea what's going on. But I do really
love this season. It's really fun to watch. I mean,
Cassie and Kaylyn, they're so young, they're obviously there to
be the next patch or out, which is fine, but
I mean, if this guy proposes to them, it's not
going to go anywhere, and that's that sucks for him. Yeah,
I know, I feel I've I hope that that's I
(09:36):
hope we're wrong about that real quick, Let's circle back
around to like the original Hills, because uh, like Sarah,
and I've been watching it back and oh, I was
with Audrina yesterday and she was like, I saw Sarah.
I was talking to her about your podcast. Yeah, we
met at the Alter Ego thing in Stable Center, right
(09:57):
or was I mean? Anyways, she's so nice. Yeah, she
was like, when am I coming on your podcast? And
I was like episode one after the show. Um. But
so we're watching it back and there's this one character
in the Hills, Kelly Katrone, who's terrifying, by the way,
(10:18):
the scariest person in the history of television. Right. She
actually I think had a spin off called kell on Earth, Yes,
or kel on Fire. What was it? I think it
was kell on Earth. We had to ask her. We're
going to call her. So she's our guest today. And
I know you've already broken down. Um, you've like you've
you've been so vulnerable, and now I feel terrible booking
(10:42):
the one person that I feel like, like really really
like affect you. Like I've never forgiven her, not like
she's apologized, but I will always remember the things that
she said to me. And so for people that don't know,
Kelly Catrone had a fashion pr company called People's Revolution
and Whitney and Lauren. We're interns at Vogue and then
(11:07):
got internships working for Kelly at People's Revolution. I was
in school at FIDEM with Lauren, and so I went
to People's Revolution to ask for an internship. And in
my interview, I'm so scared, like this was the first
interview I've ever had. Uh, my hands were sweaty, my
(11:28):
heart was beating so fast, and I'm also you know,
there's cameras right there. It's so scary. And she starts
asking me like these questions about what you want to do,
La La La, And I was like, I really want
to be a handbag designer. And she was like, then,
why are you working in pr to steal all my contacts?
And I was like what, Like everyone starts off with
an oh, they're boom, do it all right? So we
(11:53):
have ked like a troll on the phone right now.
We were just talking about um about kind of the
beginning of of your ride on the Hills. Do you
what do you remember most from those early days in
the show in regards in regards to Stepny or just
the Hills in general. I think first just in the
(12:13):
Hills in general, and then let's dive into you and
Steph's relationship. Okay, Well, the first thing I remember is
I got a phone call from Lisa Love at Vogue magazine,
who was the West Coast editor, saying, Hey, we've been
doing this show called The Hills and we're gonna be
leaving and we think you would be Um. I think
(12:34):
that she called to give me a heads up that
m de villa or somebody was going to call me,
But basically it just was, you know, we're considering having
you replaced teen Vogue on the Hills. And I was like,
what's the Hills? And they're like, you know, it's a
show and it's kind of like evolved from Laguna Beach.
I was like, what is Like I had no idea
(12:57):
at all because I like didn't watch television at all,
and then when I looked at it, you know, I
just kind of thought, you know, why would Anna Winter
Or's like a black hird scorpio. I'm a black haird scorpie.
Why would she put you know, her baby teen Vogue.
You know, it was at a time when a lot
of the Vogue publications, like Men's Vogue and stuff for
closing and like why would she do this? Like why
why why would she put like teen Vogue on a
(13:19):
television show, Because it was like right before the castle
kind of came down the hill, do you know what
I mean? As far as the fashion world entering into
really entering into the reality TV space, like the real
fashion world, not like the fake fashion world. And I
was like, there must be something to it. So at
the beginning, I was like, sure, I'll do it. I mean,
I did it for free. At the beginning, I thought
(13:39):
it would be a great thing for my clients, you know. Um,
So that that's what I remember at the beginning, and
then I just you know, I mean, then I just
did the show. But like you know, there was a
shooting of the show and then what people saw, which
were two different things. So it didn't really have that
much of an impact on my work life because nobody
(13:59):
was actually ever working there. Can I ask a question, um,
are you as mean in real life as you are
in the show, because I I wasn't ever on the show,
but I watched it, and you terrify me. I'm a
really good actress. But I mean the truth of the
matter is is that that was a television show. Like
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I mean, Stephanie, I'll tell you that. Like a lot
of the days, like we'd be sitting at a desk,
like Lauren and I and Lauren we get like eight
pairs of Christian Law between shoes center and she'd be
like trying them on, going like do you like these?
I really like them? I don't know, do you like them?
And then somebody would come up and they'd be like, Kelly,
today is going to be a very serious day because
(14:43):
you're going to be interviewing Stephanie Pratt for a job
and she's probably not going to make it, but Lauren
really needs to learn how to delegate. Like so that
that was basically how it was. Like we'd just be
sitting down and wait, I'm sorry the producer said, she's
probably not gonna make it. Yeah, like I'm probably not
going to get the job. Correct, So they like, are
(15:07):
you just finding the stud stuff? No, I've got a
like special place for you in my head that is
a very dark dark space. Okay, we care for us.
So I had an interview to get an interview, but
(15:27):
you know the interview wasn't real. It was a fake interview.
Like you know, Lauren didn't work there, Whitney never worked there,
and you also never worked there, even you worked for
MTV because they were paying you, and you came for
an interview that was a fake interview. But we were
working there because we spent hours in there filming, like
(15:47):
filming a TV show. Yeah, okay, well for me, it
was very real. And when you interviewed me, mm hmm,
you basically told me to give up on my dreams.
And I it, and then I moved to London and
then I tried again and I succeeded and I have
a clothing line. But in that interview, huh, you told
(16:09):
me that I would never be anything, and I'll never
forget that. I don't think that's what happened in the interview.
As a matter of fact, it was a fake interview
because none of you, and I'm really happy to like
throw my payroll from People's Revolution over the last twenty
five years, none of you, from Whitney to Lauren to
you have ever been on my payroll, which would mean
(16:31):
you were never an employee. People internships don't get paid, Kelly, Well,
they do get paid, or you have to be there
for college credit. That's actually California's labor law. So it
was a television show so were they telling Kelly one
thing but sort of leading you guys in a different direction.
(16:52):
I can't tell if Kelly is just doing damage control
because she was such a but did they want her
to be that. It sounds like they did it, but
at the same time, you don't tell it. Twenty two
year old Actually usual to go to the clip because
that's not what happened. I said, now, that's not what happened. Okay,
let's just be really clear. I haven't seen it lately,
But what happened was they were like Stephanie Pratts gonna
(17:15):
come in and you're going to interview her for a job,
and you're going to tell Lauren that you don't really
want to hire her, but if she wants to hire her,
she can, and then Lauren's going to ultimately have to
fire her. And in the meantime, here's her resume. And
on your resume it said career goals or something that
(17:37):
you wanted to be a handbag designer. And in this
I said in the interview, I said to why would
you come to interview for a job at a PR
company saying that you want to be a handbag designer?
And then you said and then you said, why so
you can steal all my contacts from me and then
use them. I was writing another lifetime goal person. Okay,
(18:01):
first of all, I hate to be like buzz Kill Betty.
Nobody who was ever on the Souls was ever an
employee of People's Revolution. I Kelly Catrone was an employee
of Viacom via MTV. Okay, that was a TV show.
Lauren Contrad was never my intern, Whitney was never my intern,
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and when we stopped shooting, no one ever worked there.
So it was a television show. If you're just figuring
that out now, I don't know what to tell you,
but you were never an employee of mine ever. That's
one two. I said that if you ever go to
interview at a PR company, no self respecting PR company
(18:45):
owner would ever hire somebody whose goal it was to
be a handbag designer, because all they would be doing
is using the press contacts and the stylist contacts to
grow their own brand. Afterwards, and in a non scripted
reality show, I could say something of you at my desk.
It also said that you spoke to in French, So
I spoke to you in French and you didn't speak
French fact, it was like a TV segment. So if
(19:08):
you really I mean, you know, at the end of
the Hills, at the wrap, you were like super nice
to my daughter, like she really like like I didn't
have no idea that you actually thought at any of
that was real. So I mean Whitney, Whitney knows it
wasn't real, Rocks, you know, I mean all of those
girls that written the office like they knew, Like if
(19:30):
you really thought that that was really happening, it was
not happening. But I think though, like it was real
and it wasn't real, right, like this kind of weird
blurred reality of of TV show, but like the emotions
are real, right, like depends on like who you ask.
I mean, there was one time on the show that
it like blurred for me, ever, and that's when we
(19:51):
did like Whitney's fashion show during New York Fashion Week,
and it was like she really did have a brand,
but I was not her publicist, but I did set
that moment up and then it was like, oh my god,
we're at Whitney show. But then it was also the
TV show. But for the most part, from what I know,
like working with Lauren and working with Whitney like that,
(20:11):
I only shot maybe two or three days. Ever with Costany,
like she never worked at my office for two weeks,
three weeks whatever, I mean, it was like a two
or three days shoot. So I don't understand. Whitney and
Lauren both have clothing lines. Why didn't you say to them, Oh,
you're gonna steal all my contacts who works in fashion?
At the beginning, Whitney did not have a clothing line
on the Hills. She got one on the City, and no,
(20:34):
because we were still I never represented her. She worked
there and she knew she never worked her, like after
the show, like with Whitney, like we like stayed fronted,
like she never worked her. So when we were on
the Hills, Whitney did not have a clothing line, to
be clear. And Lauren, I think I didn't even have
(20:56):
her deal at Cold yet. But Lauren also never worked
at my office, and so it wasn't my job like
in the moment to interview them, like I had other
things with them, like don't want to shoot up. I
can't believe you're doing this like a Dunham shoot, but
it wasn't real, like I get it. It's confusing because
I understand both perspectives, but then like as a viewer,
(21:18):
like when Lauren and Heidi had their drama, that was real,
so it becomes this blurred reality where we like don't
know if things were set up or Steph really didn't
work there. But I'm also feeling from her that she
was taking your advice or feedback to heart. Somebody should
have told me that, because I had no idea. I
mean by then, especially by then, I mean that was
(21:41):
like well on its way. I mean I did personally
encounter some things where I realized I was getting set
up by the producers, like specifically, you know, at one point,
I remember that there was a Christmas party and Whitney
had been dating the sky j and you know, we
were hearing like, you know, kind of cookie things about him,
(22:01):
and you know, I didn't really like him, and the
producers were like, you know, you should go and you know,
confront Kelly Pacho. And I think it was that like
Scotland's birthday party or like some Christmas party for like
one Model Management or something that I walked in and
I realized like, okay, like they're going to have like
day kind of come towards me and try to get
this on camera. And I just like looked at Colin
(22:22):
and I was like, I'll just go like the producers.
So I mean, I don't know. I mean it was
very different for me. I would shoot like three episodes
in a day, so and I it wasn't like I
was living and running that show like I were all
black every day. Everything happened at an event that I
was doing or at my office, So I wasn't running
(22:43):
around like day in, day out like the rest of
the cast, you know what I mean. If you look
at the show, you know, he was definitely in a
supporting role, you know. So I mean for me, I'm
wai older than everybody else on the cast, like I'm
a mom and a businesswoman, And it was very clear
to me that I was on a TV show that
none of these people worked for me. That I was
(23:04):
being told, you know, hey, you need to make this
really difficult for Stephany today, like she's just had it
too easy, and Lauren really needs to learn not to
bring her friends into the workplace, and that's what has
to happen. And so for me, it was like I
remember it, like Yester, we walked up stairs into a
loft office and I sat across her from her at
a desk, and for me, I literally was getting a
television show. Like none of that was real, not one
(23:26):
thing I said, not anything. It just was not real.
Who you want to come across that viewer on the show, like,
why does Angelica Houston come off like you know? I mean, yeah,
I mean it's just like you know, I mean that
was the role. They did not have me on that
show because I was blonde in twenty and from Lucon
(23:48):
to Beach. They had me on that show to play
like the villain matriarch who's never happy. He represents the
fashion role. But that was my role on that show,
that same role what I had only filmed a few
episodes at that point. I was very new on the show.
Spencer and I weren't getting along the hills. And I understand,
(24:09):
but for me having someone that I looked up to,
like who was like the hit Kelly Catrone People's revolution,
like it was after teen Vogue, Like you were huge
that but on that show for at least two or
three years by that time, you weren't like new on
that show because I would lead to the party, like no,
(24:30):
I didn't join until season three Kelly, Okay, I don't
even know, but trust me when I tell you, Like,
you know, that was never nobody had ever said to me, y,
she's coming in here, you know she really wants the
other job. Like, none of that was ever shared with me.
It was like Adam de Villo and Spike and they
(24:51):
were just like, here's what's going to happen today. You're
going to need to interview you know, Stephanie Pratt, and
it's not do not make it easy on her. Okay,
Lauren is going to have to learn how to delegate,
and ultimately she's going to need to learn that you
do not bring your friends into the workplace. So what
you're going to need to do is we don't want
you and to make it easy for her and then
(25:13):
let Lauren decide. So it's exactly what I did. Okay.
So now, like hindsight is your perception was that everyone
knew that this whole thing was being orchestrated by the
producers and none of it was real. The cast. I'm
not seeing the public, but I think that the cast,
I mean, Lauren definitely knew. Lauren definitely knew because she
(25:34):
could have should could have been a producer. Same with Roxy,
Like we're not talking about the city, right, But I'm
just telling you that those are the people I worked with,
Laurence Whitney and Roxy. I had no other scene would
anybody else? I don't. I mean, I liked Christian and Audrinia,
but I don't think I were even shot with them.
But but now knowing that, um, Steph thought it was
(25:57):
totally real and authentic, would you have changed is your
tone in that original interview? Yeah? But listen, I have
a long history of mentorship with young women, you know,
and you know I can go on and tell you
where all my old assistants. One of them's the creative
director of the global communications director for I m G.
And other one's the global communications director for Now. I've
(26:20):
like mentored and helped a gazillion people, and I don't
really feel like on this call like I need to
like defend myself as a mentor to young women. I've
been in business since I wrote to New York Times
bestselling books for young women. And if I if she
ever came to me, like wholeheartedly as a human being
and not a cast member on a television show and
(26:41):
said this is what I want to do. I would
look at it with her. And also for the record,
when Whitney started her line, I told Whitney not to
do that line. I said, it's way too expensive. Like
your fans are really young girls like you should do
a license you deal like Lauren's doing with clothes. This
is like later on, but like that price point is
a really hard christ point two hundred and fifty dollars
(27:02):
for a skirt. Kelly, you had the opportunity every time
that I was in people's revolution to say to me.
But I'm saying you could have said the producers told
me to make it hard. If you have any questions
or anything, I'm here for you. You keep saying you're
an amazing mentor. But you know what. I was in
tears after that, and one of the crew members, can
you listen, Kelly, listen, if you didn't know you're on
(27:26):
a TV show, it's it's Kelly. It's not about being
on a TV show. It's about how you treat a
young woman when they say what they want to do.
Oh my god, Kelly, you're talking about your books and
your career, like enough, but stuff. Is there any chance
that because Kelly was tough that it did motivate you. No, no,
(27:46):
I stopped going to fit him show. I stopped going
to fit him. I gave up all my handbags and
you know what from Abby, one of the crew members.
I still have it on my fridge. She made me
a card and cut out all these hand bags and
a little Stephanie and wrote cego handbag designer because I
was so upset. It's still on my fridge. Well, you know,
(28:09):
I don't really know what. Just say sorry. I'm not
sorry because I didn't do it. I was all right,
But did I get where Kelly's coming from? But she
knew it was a TV show. She's saying she was
hired to do a job and she was doing it.
And then what's interesting is Stephanie, how old were you
at the time? Two? You totally took it to heart. Also,
you don't have to do that, Kelly. You could have
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said I don't want to be that me. You're the
one that took it up to that notch. No. No no, no, no,
no no no no. Why do we have it on
the phone we hang up? No, because you need to
be respectful of her too. I have no respect for you.
You can totally hang up. Think you're delusional. I think
this is super interesting. You can totally hang up. You
(28:51):
can totally hang up on me. No, I don't. I
don't want them. It's not it's not going to stress
me out. I'm not going to spend the next five
years up if you hang on me. I was hired
to be on a TV show, But aren't given those
lines that all came from you, the what that came
from you. There was no script that you had to
say those things. That was your choice. No, that's not true.
(29:13):
Yes it is. There was no script. It was really
inferred and it was really clear. They said, do not
make it easy on her. Look at her resume. And
by the way, by the way, I'm not I was
not the camp counselor, and that I was like a
gun for hire. And if you were really so devastated
that people were making cut out handbags for you, somebody
should have called me and said to me, so so
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you know, yeah, because you're so approachable, Kelly, are you
kidding me? You don't even know me, Stephanie, I know
enough two days. You don't know you were in my
office for two days and you think that's not there,
that's I don't think I worked there. I think I've
worked there when the show was there. Guys, guys, not
going anywhere, because I do know how you're like fifty
(29:56):
and arguing with me, this insane your show and gave
you these great clip. I mean you should be like
saying thanks for coming on my are you delisional free?
I'm I'm appreciative, wells and I appreciated, And I think
what's interesting is I don't want you on this. I
like Kelly a lot because I think she's is tough
and I respect it. I'm just wondering if maybe Stephanie
(30:19):
interpreted it at the time totally differently. That's what we're
give up on your dreams. You're never going to make it.
That's what my Just watch it again. That's essentially what
you're saying to me. I say to you, you're never
gonna make it. Watch the clip. You don't say those words,
you essentially give me the message. Oh my god. Let
(30:41):
me ask you this, Kelly, would you ever would you
ever go back like now that the Hills are coming back,
would you ever be a part of that world again?
Or No? I don't want to be on the hill.
You know, I have no destire to be on the
show at all. What do you do now, Kelly, here's
what's interesting. I did text one of the producers while
this was happening, and what's interesting. He responded with, I
(31:01):
love them both so much because I do think because
you're both super dynamic and interesting and nutty right now,
that it's why they did this, because it was great
TV then and it's really good crazy right, it's really
really like California and New York state labor law, if
anybody works for you have to improvy them. You have
(31:22):
to give them a paycheck. Just keep repeating, what do
you do now, Kelley, where's people's revolution? I'm so I'm
not going to even answer this. Okay, so we like
done this, like, I'm not answering to stuff me like
google it. Yeah, we're going to try and sort of
see if we can repair them. Yeah, there's something for
(31:42):
me to repair. My statement is I was on a
television show. No one on the cast ever worked for me.
I'm really sad and shocked to hear that you thought
you were really in a real interview. I'm sorry that
nobody told you it wasn't real, and I'm glad you're
doing well. That's my comment. Okay, Okay, My comment is
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I know I was on a TV show, but they
did not tell you to say specific things that really
hurt me and stay with me. That was your choice
to treat me like that. Okay, there's something called a
TV show. I was told to interview you and not
make it easy. They pointed out the fact that your
intention was to be a handbag designer, and that you
(32:26):
were in an interview for a PR company. Nobody should
ever put that they want to be a handbag designer
when they're interviewing for a PR job, so we use
that as a reveal in a takeaway. And they also
pointed out that you said that you were fluent in French,
which you weren't, and for me to bring that up
because I am Those were the two things that were
told to me. Okay, Yeah, I think I think we
(32:49):
can probably ended here. I want to say thank you
Kelly for for coming on the show. I'm sure that
this probably wasn't what you expected. I don't know. I
don't know. Um I listen, I'm Johnny Everyman, and if
I'm listening to this podcast, I can totally see both
sides and I can understand, like you there's it was
called the TV. So Stefanie Pratt Lauren Conrad is just
(33:11):
like damaged people's revolutions. Stefant has never spent more than
three days ever in people's revolutions. So if she okay,
you know what, I have a camera that Tom coaches everything.
We can just go back and pull it up. I
also have the DVD box set. Okay, I'm talking about
a security camera out of video. All right, bye bye,
(33:34):
all right, thank you so much, Kelly. Well that was stressful.
I am sweating right now. Guys. I'm I'm kind of
shaking a little bit. Are you okay? She just yeah,
(33:56):
leave to dig into it. I wish this was a
TV show like Your Eyes got read like black and red.
When the second that she got on the line, because
I stopped going to fashion school, I know, I listen,
I understand. She essentially told me one that I couldn't
be a handbag designer, that I did not deserve this internship,
(34:17):
and that I would be nothing in fashion. I stopped
going to fashion school and gave up all my dreams
of designing handbags. And I had all of these books
and I had just gotten this software called the Handbag Library,
and I had been designing them on my computer. Like
I'm like, so, what did you do that? Right now?
Like she really really got to me. I was only
(34:37):
twenty two, I get it, Like, who does that? What
did you want from her right in that moment? Did
you want her to say, listen, I'm so sorry? Like
I thought that everyone was in on on this. You know.
All I was really looking for from Kelly is just
be like, you know what, it was a show. I
was trying to make the producers happy, and I didn't
know that the words I chose to say we're hurtful
(34:59):
and I'm sorry for that. I mean, it's literally that simple.
It'd be like if someone came in here and said
some really mean things that hurt your feelings, but they
were like it's a show. Yeah, it's a show, but
hurt full comments are still really hurtful, and you don't
have to like that's your choice to say those. The
producers could have told Kelly, okay, make it hard for her,
(35:22):
tell her that work hours or fourteen hours, that you
can only dress in black, but there's no lunch break.
I mean, she could have had a million ways to
make it hard for me not to say give up
on your dreams, I'm I'm just saying no one, no
one on reality TV has to say what the producers
want their vision to have. I still hold her responsible
(35:44):
because there was no script and those were her words.
And for her to also say that I was only
in People's Revolution three days, I'm sorry, it was months
that we were there filming. I think this is really interesting.
It's it's that blurred thing because even on The Bachelor,
you could speak to this. You know, you're on a show,
but the feelings are real. So this is this woman
(36:06):
she respects. So even though it's a TV show, she
still said something to Stephanie that hurt her. But also
as a person on a TV show, I don't know
why she would want to come off like that. She
could have been difficult in the interview in many different ways.
There was no script. Those were all things that she honestly,
(36:26):
truthfully felt and related to me. So I mean, that's
who she is. That's who she is. Well, Listen, people
can be inspired by a lot of different like avenues,
you know. I think that the way that she mentors,
or even to use the word inspires, is by through
fear which is nothing has ever worked with me, but
(36:49):
I know it works for some people. I mean she
was talking about people. Everyone in the office hated her,
hated her. All of her real employees. I know her
and she is her daughter is lovely, but I like her. Yeah,
I mean this is how I perceived the whole thing.
She was terrifying. But she's kind of like that that
(37:09):
boss bitch that like get it done, and so so
I understand. I understand what she was where she was
coming from. I don't think she ever had any feel
like you have. You were like, nothing but feelings, and
you went on the show and you expose yourself in
(37:30):
that in that way, I think for her it was okay,
you are the bad, angry pr lady, go do that.
And so I don't think that she has any remorse
because she was like, I was just doing what I
was supposed to be doing that That's how I am
perceiving it. And and she's like, but that's so cold.
(37:53):
It spent ten years like that's how you're gonna speak
to me now. That's it just really shows her character. Yeah,
I just wish that she had been like, hey man,
I'm so sorry. I thought I thought I thought everyone
kind of knew about this. Instead, she just spent the
entire phone call defending herself, saying the same things over
and over again, and then promoting what she's doing now,
(38:16):
how great she is as a mentor, where her former
assistants are in her books, Like this isn't Kelly's hour,
Like we called you to like talk about something that
was very real that changed my path and that I
still think about and that I'm still angry about after
talking to you. How do you feel now about her?
You feel even even I feel like she hasn't changed.
(38:39):
I feel like if she is working right now and
she has interns and employees, I feel like she's telling
them that they're at their job, like that's who she is.
She's not rooting for girls. M I wouldn't say that,
not girls specifically. She's just not saying this is going
(38:59):
to be good, you can do this, that's great. Would you, like,
I'm sorry, if I had an employee or an intern
and they told me that they wanted to be a zookeeper,
like I would automatically be all about it. I'd want
to encourage that person. I want to see them grow,
I want to see them reach their dreams. I wouldn't say,
(39:23):
you know, is there any chance? Because of how she
was it fired you up to accomplish what you've accomplished. No,
I always wanted to be a designer, and I moved
to London because because if people like her, I didn't
like l A. I still have a problem with l
(39:44):
accomplish your dream. Yeah you are, you are a designer, yes,
but there's no way. Yeah, in spite of her, you
still did it. I did it on my own though.
It wasn't like, oh because she told me I can't
I'm going to do Kelly. It was I didn't even
think about her until I came back to l A
(40:04):
and everyone's asking me about my clothing line and Kelly
Kitroll And like, what would you say to her now?
You know, like she's never thought like once I moved
to London, she was gone. I wonder if some subconsciously,
somewhere deep inside it did it did light a fire
into your ask though, But also like if she keeps
saying that she's like a mentor mentor in this incredible
(40:25):
role model. When my clothing line like was all over
the news when I first got it, write me an email,
say like so happy for you. It's not the handbags lull,
but happy for you. All right, Let's take a quick
break right right now, because I think everyone needs like
smoke a cigarette or so, I don't know what, and
(40:46):
we need a scotch and a cigar. I need to
call my therapist. We're gonna go get massages. We'll be
right back. Okay, we good, Yeah, all right. Here's here's
the thing that that I'm going to take away from
all this in my in my career, there have been
(41:07):
people who have who have helped me in different ways.
There are people who have made me angry and hurt
my feelings and I want to be successful in spite
of them. And then there are people that um that
are positive and and lift me up. And to be
honest with you, I don't know if to be honestly,
(41:29):
I I gotta think that the people that piss me
off the most were the ones that really made me.
There were so many people that are like, don't be
in radio. It's dying. This is the dumbest idea in
the world. You're not very good at it, you don't
have a very good voice, and I says, and you're
never gonna make any money, which is still very true. Um,
and I remember thinking, f you, I'm gonna go do
(41:51):
that I wanted. This is what I wanted to. I've
done sound sixteen years old. It's important to me. And
there's no one that I can call right now and
just yell at them like what just happen with you?
But I do think there is a little bit of
like the fire inside of you that was created from her,
whether you want to admit it or not. Like I
think that you were able to do these amazing things
(42:12):
as a woman because there was another woman that said
you couldn't. That's my thought on it. You know, people
definitely in situations they work from being you know, in
a positive place and being encouraged and then some people
excel if they're told like what you were just saying
that helped you. I want to be around positive people.
(42:33):
I don't want any negativity in my life. I don't
want a negative, you know, superior adult around me saying
those things like I'm all for positivity and that, like
that's really all I have to say, i'm am, is
that you're able to keep your composure and like steal
maybe go out and be like I'm sorry, I just
can't do it anymore. Because the more she kept on
(42:55):
saying it's a TV show, are you delusional? Was pissing
off even more because for me, every time on I'm
on reality TV, I am true to myself, honest and
it's real for me. Sure they add music to it,
but like that's real for me. What's amazing about that
whole thing is we started off the podcast with you
talking about your you and your brother and your family's
(43:16):
relationship and how like the problem that the Pratts have
is that you guys are too real and then and
then segue into that where you're like, this is real
for me, It's not a TV show, Kelly, which is insane.
You know, I've been doing reality TV since I was
twenty two. I was doing in London. I haven't stopped.
And everything is real for me. Everything I'm not fake.
(43:39):
I put everything out there. And how people treat me,
I don't know if they're being fake or producers are
telling them to say that, but they have a choice
to do that or to be themselves. So I will
forever be true to myself and you know, wear my
heart on my sleeve and if I get them emotional,
(44:00):
which I have over things with my brother in the series.
Like that's me. Like I didn't sign up to be
on reality TV to lie and to look pretty. I didn't.
I wanna, you know, I want to connect with the viewers.
I'm excited for this next season. I'm exhausted. Well, I
am still sweating. I think we should end the podcast
(44:22):
right now and go get a drink. Okay you want to? Yes? Please?
All right? Uh, hell's yeah? Shows over. We follow pratt
cast on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcasts.
This is I Heart Radios prad cast with Stephanie Pratt
and Wells Adams. Let's do some Pratt casting right episode five,
starting right now, Wells Adams hanging out with Stephanie Pratt.
This is the weirdest thing in the world because I
haven't seen you. You know, I don't even know how
(00:23):
long years, five weeks, seven years, yeah, something like that.
I forgot what you looked like. I forgot what you
sounded like. Right, But you're back in Los Angeles. You
got back from London when I got back last Monday.
So I'm in l A for a while. We're doing
lots of pressed stuff because the Hills is finally coming back.
(00:45):
The Hills are alive with the sound of music, the
sound of Natasha Beddingfield. I know, I really hope that
that's the song that they use for Hills New Beginning.
They don't tell you that kind of stuff. No, I
don't know if they've decided. Yeah, everything has been so
up in the air. My schedule changes every hour. Yeah,
that's Hollywood for you. But so you're back and you're
(01:06):
doing what you're doing a bunch of press. Yes, So
last week we did all of these social media videos
that were so fun. So it was the whole cast
and it was two days and this will go on
MTV dot com, YouTube everywhere, and I think it's going
to come out the beginning of April, right before the
(01:28):
Hill starts. And that's when the Hill starts. By the way,
I'm going to give you guys a date hopefully next week. Yeah.
So now we're on the official countdown to the Hills return.
So tentatively the beginning of April. Is this an April
fool's joke on me? Is that what this is? No,
it's not this. This is actually real. I'll get you though.
(01:49):
Do you get to see any of the episodes before
the air? No? But at this press day, I guess
they've been putting together like a promo of the series.
And the two girls I was walking from stage to
stage and they're like, we saw a promo whoa? And
I was like, WHOA good? And they were like you're
(02:10):
gnarly And I was like, so WHOA bad? And they
were like no, like it's great, but like they really
put some clips in where it's like whoa. And I
was so, I have no idea. I'm so scared that
I'm going to be hated, but so are you nervous still? Like,
what is your mental state state going into this? Therapists
(02:31):
on on the clock. Yeah, after this, I'm going to therapy. Um.
It's really scary. And as much as I want to say,
like editing has a huge factor in it. I mean
this time around, I think because The Hill's got so
(02:51):
much flak for being fake, that it's so real. I
don't really think the editors are like messing with anything.
I think it's just going to be true to itself,
which is really scary. What do you like do you
have a like a like a moment in time of
an event that happened while filming this most recent season
where you're like, I don't know if I'm ready for this.
(03:14):
You know what you did. We were all rooting for you.
That's not the rest of it. After you know what
you did. And then he goes, what I do? What?
But I do? I was doing Tyra Banks? Oh my god,
I love Tyra. I went on the Tyra Bank Chef.
It was actually really sad. I was for an eating disorder.
I'm sorry that I got from filming The Hills. Uh,
(03:38):
next week we need to address that, Okay, Okay, yeah,
I've got some stuff to say about that. Um. So yeah,
this this time around, it's very real, the hardest. I mean,
no one else has their family on it. I'm the
only one that has my brother and sister in law
on it, and it's really rocky. Um. There have been
(03:59):
times where I kind of like what am I doing?
Like is it all worth it? Is this going to
help the relationship or make it worse? But my brother
and I are like doing amazing. It's so weird. The
original Hills broke us, and the Hills New Beginning as
fixed us. Like I love this new series so much,
(04:22):
like love it. It literally fixed my family. If we
weren't filming, I'd be in London and these nine years
of not talking spending time together would just turned into
ten eleven, twelve thirty like it would. It would have
never just I'm just really grateful for the show. Well,
(04:42):
I can tell you getting emotional about this, which I
guess is good that Like, I don't know, man, I
can only see it the prison that like I experienced
reality TV, you know, And I remember I didn't want
my parents to be involved in it, Like I didn't
want they asked me about hometowns, And I was like,
I don't I can't have my family involved in this,
(05:04):
so I can't even imagine what for your reasons. My
family is crazy, not crazier than the Pratts. No family
is crazier than the Pratts. Different, yeah, different, crazy, But
um well, I'm really glad to hear that. Like, I
don't know, the thing that broke you is the thing
that's that's fixing you guys. Is it going to be
weird to have to relive like you said you had
(05:27):
PTSD from the show just doing it then that becomes
the whole other thing of having to relive it again
on TV, Like are you gonna be able to watch it?
I honestly, I don't know. Yesterday I was doing interviews
because we don't have a narrator for The Hills New
Beginnings bridging interviews like the Bravo shows and how most
formats are now, and I had to kind of relive
(05:50):
some parts and I was just like bawling, crying. It
was so hard. I'm sorry, m I really, you know,
I really missed my brother and now you guys are back. Yeah,
I mean, it's a it's a hard road. I mean,
(06:12):
it doesn't really happen to the end of the series.
But um, yeah, it was really sucky. I'm glad that.
I'm glad the show worked. I guess right, it's so weird.
I yea, would you say, it's real? Real, absolutely real.
She's crying right now. It's gotta be real. You know,
this looks very very authentic from my eyes right now. Uh,
(06:38):
I think Spencer and I over share and we're so
honest and we can't really hide from who we are.
And some of the other cast members are really good
at hiding. They're dark stuff and they put on you know,
great facade and they're protecting their image. But Sensor and
(06:59):
I can't do that. It's just not in us. So
for us, it's very real. I don't know how the
other cast members found it, but I know it was
definitely the hardest for us. Well, I will say this
from doing you know, however, many seasons of The Bachelor
and Bachelom Paradise and stuff. The one thing that I
always found interesting the were the people that were fake
for lack of better term, we're really concerned about how
(07:21):
they would look, uh watch everything that they would they
would say. Um, they always come up across on TV
super inauthentic because they're trying to be something that they're
really not. Um, So I'm excited to see. I don't
know the juxtaposition between you and your brother, who are
just like nothing but so real, compared to a bunch
of other people that are just like really worried about
(07:41):
like maybe how they come across, you know what. That's
what I'm worrying about right now, is I wish I
could have, you know, Ben, not fake, but cooler on it,
not like held it together. Yeah, and you know, didn't
show all the neitty gritty parts in my life that
aren't pretty, because I I'm really worried that I'm going
(08:04):
to be hated. Yeah, because I'm not you know, the
happy fake Let's go shopping. I have no drama in
my life cast member. I don't know, but I don't
know if America likes that fake. You know, I think
they do because I watched The Bachelor last night and
I haven't seen the other I haven't seen the other episodes,
(08:27):
but the girls on it. First of all, they all
look like they're in a sorority sleepover slumber party. They're
so young, I'm but they're all so fake and and
he's he falls for it. Like, I don't know if
this is like dumb guy stuff, but the fake girls
always win in my experience. For a minute, I don't
(08:51):
know it's the nice guy finishes last, Like I don't
really even believe that. I think the villains and the
fake people always win. Well, maybe so the nice guy
will if that's true what you're saying about these this
new crop of girls and who he's got left in
his kind of final five or whatever. The nice guy
will finish last because it will be Colton finishing last
because he will have found someone that's not real. But
(09:14):
you don't know that. I don't know that. I have
no no idea what's going on. But I do really
love this season. It's really fun to watch. I mean,
Cassie and Kaylyn, they're so young, they're obviously there to
be the next patch or out, which is fine, but
I mean, if this guy proposes to them, it's not
going to go anywhere, and that's that sucks for him. Yeah,
I know, I feel I've I hope that that's I
(09:36):
hope we're wrong about that real quick, Let's circle back
around to like the original Hills, because uh, like Sarah,
and I've been watching it back and oh, I was
with Audrina yesterday and she was like, I saw Sarah.
I was talking to her about your podcast. Yeah, we
met at the Alter Ego thing in Stable Center, right
(09:57):
or was I mean? Anyways, she's so nice. Yeah, she
was like, when am I coming on your podcast? And
I was like episode one after the show. Um. But
so we're watching it back and there's this one character
in the Hills, Kelly Katrone, who's terrifying, by the way,
(10:18):
the scariest person in the history of television. Right. She
actually I think had a spin off called kell on Earth, Yes,
or kel on Fire. What was it? I think it
was kell on Earth. We had to ask her. We're
going to call her. So she's our guest today. And
I know you've already broken down. Um, you've like you've
you've been so vulnerable, and now I feel terrible booking
(10:42):
the one person that I feel like, like really really
like affect you. Like I've never forgiven her, not like
she's apologized, but I will always remember the things that
she said to me. And so for people that don't know,
Kelly Catrone had a fashion pr company called People's Revolution
and Whitney and Lauren. We're interns at Vogue and then
(11:07):
got internships working for Kelly at People's Revolution. I was
in school at FIDEM with Lauren, and so I went
to People's Revolution to ask for an internship. And in
my interview, I'm so scared, like this was the first
interview I've ever had. Uh, my hands were sweaty, my
(11:28):
heart was beating so fast, and I'm also you know,
there's cameras right there. It's so scary. And she starts
asking me like these questions about what you want to do,
La La La, And I was like, I really want
to be a handbag designer. And she was like, then,
why are you working in pr to steal all my contacts?
And I was like what, Like everyone starts off with
an oh, they're boom, do it all right? So we
(11:53):
have ked like a troll on the phone right now.
We were just talking about um about kind of the
beginning of of your ride on the Hills. Do you
what do you remember most from those early days in
the show in regards in regards to Stepny or just
the Hills in general. I think first just in the
(12:13):
Hills in general, and then let's dive into you and
Steph's relationship. Okay, Well, the first thing I remember is
I got a phone call from Lisa Love at Vogue magazine,
who was the West Coast editor, saying, Hey, we've been
doing this show called The Hills and we're gonna be
leaving and we think you would be Um. I think
(12:34):
that she called to give me a heads up that
m de villa or somebody was going to call me,
But basically it just was, you know, we're considering having
you replaced teen Vogue on the Hills. And I was like,
what's the Hills? And they're like, you know, it's a
show and it's kind of like evolved from Laguna Beach.
I was like, what is Like I had no idea
(12:57):
at all because I like didn't watch television at all,
and then when I looked at it, you know, I
just kind of thought, you know, why would Anna Winter
Or's like a black hird scorpio. I'm a black haird scorpie.
Why would she put you know, her baby teen Vogue.
You know, it was at a time when a lot
of the Vogue publications, like Men's Vogue and stuff for
closing and like why would she do this? Like why
why why would she put like teen Vogue on a
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television show, Because it was like right before the castle
kind of came down the hill, do you know what
I mean? As far as the fashion world entering into
really entering into the reality TV space, like the real
fashion world, not like the fake fashion world. And I
was like, there must be something to it. So at
the beginning, I was like, sure, I'll do it. I mean,
I did it for free. At the beginning, I thought
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it would be a great thing for my clients, you know. Um,
So that that's what I remember at the beginning, and
then I just you know, I mean, then I just
did the show. But like you know, there was a
shooting of the show and then what people saw, which
were two different things. So it didn't really have that
much of an impact on my work life because nobody
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was actually ever working there. Can I ask a question, um,
are you as mean in real life as you are
in the show, because I I wasn't ever on the show,
but I watched it, and you terrify me. I'm a
really good actress. But I mean the truth of the
matter is is that that was a television show. Like
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I mean, Stephanie, I'll tell you that. Like a lot
of the days, like we'd be sitting at a desk,
like Lauren and I and Lauren we get like eight
pairs of Christian Law between shoes center and she'd be
like trying them on, going like do you like these?
I really like them? I don't know, do you like them?
And then somebody would come up and they'd be like, Kelly,
today is going to be a very serious day because
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you're going to be interviewing Stephanie Pratt for a job
and she's probably not going to make it, but Lauren
really needs to learn how to delegate. Like so that
that was basically how it was. Like we'd just be
sitting down and wait, I'm sorry the producer said, she's
probably not gonna make it. Yeah, like I'm probably not
going to get the job. Correct, So they like, are
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you just finding the stud stuff? No, I've got a
like special place for you in my head that is
a very dark dark space. Okay, we care for us.
So I had an interview to get an interview, but
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you know the interview wasn't real. It was a fake interview.
Like you know, Lauren didn't work there, Whitney never worked there,
and you also never worked there, even you worked for
MTV because they were paying you, and you came for
an interview that was a fake interview. But we were
working there because we spent hours in there filming, like
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filming a TV show. Yeah, okay, well for me, it
was very real. And when you interviewed me, mm hmm,
you basically told me to give up on my dreams.
And I it, and then I moved to London and
then I tried again and I succeeded and I have
a clothing line. But in that interview, huh, you told
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me that I would never be anything, and I'll never
forget that. I don't think that's what happened in the interview.
As a matter of fact, it was a fake interview
because none of you, and I'm really happy to like
throw my payroll from People's Revolution over the last twenty
five years, none of you, from Whitney to Lauren to
you have ever been on my payroll, which would mean
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you were never an employee. People internships don't get paid, Kelly, Well,
they do get paid, or you have to be there
for college credit. That's actually California's labor law. So it
was a television show so were they telling Kelly one
thing but sort of leading you guys in a different direction.
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I can't tell if Kelly is just doing damage control
because she was such a but did they want her
to be that. It sounds like they did it, but
at the same time, you don't tell it. Twenty two
year old Actually usual to go to the clip because
that's not what happened. I said, now, that's not what happened. Okay,
let's just be really clear. I haven't seen it lately,
But what happened was they were like Stephanie Pratts gonna
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come in and you're going to interview her for a job,
and you're going to tell Lauren that you don't really
want to hire her, but if she wants to hire her,
she can, and then Lauren's going to ultimately have to
fire her. And in the meantime, here's her resume. And
on your resume it said career goals or something that
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you wanted to be a handbag designer. And in this
I said in the interview, I said to why would
you come to interview for a job at a PR
company saying that you want to be a handbag designer?
And then you said and then you said, why so
you can steal all my contacts from me and then
use them. I was writing another lifetime goal person. Okay,
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first of all, I hate to be like buzz Kill Betty.
Nobody who was ever on the Souls was ever an
employee of People's Revolution. I Kelly Catrone was an employee
of Viacom via MTV. Okay, that was a TV show.
Lauren Contrad was never my intern, Whitney was never my intern,
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and when we stopped shooting, no one ever worked there.
So it was a television show. If you're just figuring
that out now, I don't know what to tell you,
but you were never an employee of mine ever. That's
one two. I said that if you ever go to
interview at a PR company, no self respecting PR company
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owner would ever hire somebody whose goal it was to
be a handbag designer, because all they would be doing
is using the press contacts and the stylist contacts to
grow their own brand. Afterwards, and in a non scripted
reality show, I could say something of you at my desk.
It also said that you spoke to in French, So
I spoke to you in French and you didn't speak
French fact, it was like a TV segment. So if
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you really I mean, you know, at the end of
the Hills, at the wrap, you were like super nice
to my daughter, like she really like like I didn't
have no idea that you actually thought at any of
that was real. So I mean Whitney, Whitney knows it
wasn't real, Rocks, you know, I mean all of those
girls that written the office like they knew, Like if
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you really thought that that was really happening, it was
not happening. But I think though, like it was real
and it wasn't real, right, like this kind of weird
blurred reality of of TV show, but like the emotions
are real, right, like depends on like who you ask.
I mean, there was one time on the show that
it like blurred for me, ever, and that's when we
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did like Whitney's fashion show during New York Fashion Week,
and it was like she really did have a brand,
but I was not her publicist, but I did set
that moment up and then it was like, oh my god,
we're at Whitney show. But then it was also the
TV show. But for the most part, from what I know,
like working with Lauren and working with Whitney like that,
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I only shot maybe two or three days. Ever with Costany,
like she never worked at my office for two weeks,
three weeks whatever, I mean, it was like a two
or three days shoot. So I don't understand. Whitney and
Lauren both have clothing lines. Why didn't you say to them, Oh,
you're gonna steal all my contacts who works in fashion?
At the beginning, Whitney did not have a clothing line
on the Hills. She got one on the City, and no,
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because we were still I never represented her. She worked
there and she knew she never worked her, like after
the show, like with Whitney, like we like stayed fronted,
like she never worked her. So when we were on
the Hills, Whitney did not have a clothing line, to
be clear. And Lauren, I think I didn't even have
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her deal at Cold yet. But Lauren also never worked
at my office, and so it wasn't my job like
in the moment to interview them, like I had other
things with them, like don't want to shoot up. I
can't believe you're doing this like a Dunham shoot, but
it wasn't real, like I get it. It's confusing because
I understand both perspectives, but then like as a viewer,
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like when Lauren and Heidi had their drama, that was real,
so it becomes this blurred reality where we like don't
know if things were set up or Steph really didn't
work there. But I'm also feeling from her that she
was taking your advice or feedback to heart. Somebody should
have told me that, because I had no idea. I
mean by then, especially by then, I mean that was
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like well on its way. I mean I did personally
encounter some things where I realized I was getting set
up by the producers, like specifically, you know, at one point,
I remember that there was a Christmas party and Whitney
had been dating the sky j and you know, we
were hearing like, you know, kind of cookie things about him,
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and you know, I didn't really like him, and the
producers were like, you know, you should go and you know,
confront Kelly Pacho. And I think it was that like
Scotland's birthday party or like some Christmas party for like
one Model Management or something that I walked in and
I realized like, okay, like they're going to have like
day kind of come towards me and try to get
this on camera. And I just like looked at Colin
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and I was like, I'll just go like the producers.
So I mean, I don't know. I mean it was
very different for me. I would shoot like three episodes
in a day, so and I it wasn't like I
was living and running that show like I were all
black every day. Everything happened at an event that I
was doing or at my office, So I wasn't running
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around like day in, day out like the rest of
the cast, you know what I mean. If you look
at the show, you know, he was definitely in a
supporting role, you know. So I mean for me, I'm
wai older than everybody else on the cast, like I'm
a mom and a businesswoman, And it was very clear
to me that I was on a TV show that
none of these people worked for me. That I was
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being told, you know, hey, you need to make this
really difficult for Stephany today, like she's just had it
too easy, and Lauren really needs to learn not to
bring her friends into the workplace, and that's what has
to happen. And so for me, it was like I
remember it, like Yester, we walked up stairs into a
loft office and I sat across her from her at
a desk, and for me, I literally was getting a
television show. Like none of that was real, not one
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thing I said, not anything. It just was not real.
Who you want to come across that viewer on the show, like,
why does Angelica Houston come off like you know? I mean, yeah,
I mean it's just like you know, I mean that
was the role. They did not have me on that
show because I was blonde in twenty and from Lucon
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to Beach. They had me on that show to play
like the villain matriarch who's never happy. He represents the
fashion role. But that was my role on that show,
that same role what I had only filmed a few
episodes at that point. I was very new on the show.
Spencer and I weren't getting along the hills. And I understand,
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but for me having someone that I looked up to,
like who was like the hit Kelly Catrone People's revolution,
like it was after teen Vogue, Like you were huge
that but on that show for at least two or
three years by that time, you weren't like new on
that show because I would lead to the party, like no,
(24:30):
I didn't join until season three Kelly, Okay, I don't
even know, but trust me when I tell you, Like,
you know, that was never nobody had ever said to me, y,
she's coming in here, you know she really wants the
other job. Like, none of that was ever shared with me.
It was like Adam de Villo and Spike and they
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were just like, here's what's going to happen today. You're
going to need to interview you know, Stephanie Pratt, and
it's not do not make it easy on her. Okay,
Lauren is going to have to learn how to delegate,
and ultimately she's going to need to learn that you
do not bring your friends into the workplace. So what
you're going to need to do is we don't want
you and to make it easy for her and then
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let Lauren decide. So it's exactly what I did. Okay.
So now, like hindsight is your perception was that everyone
knew that this whole thing was being orchestrated by the
producers and none of it was real. The cast. I'm
not seeing the public, but I think that the cast,
I mean, Lauren definitely knew. Lauren definitely knew because she
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could have should could have been a producer. Same with Roxy,
Like we're not talking about the city, right, But I'm
just telling you that those are the people I worked with,
Laurence Whitney and Roxy. I had no other scene would
anybody else? I don't. I mean, I liked Christian and Audrinia,
but I don't think I were even shot with them.
But but now knowing that, um, Steph thought it was
(25:57):
totally real and authentic, would you have changed is your
tone in that original interview? Yeah? But listen, I have
a long history of mentorship with young women, you know,
and you know I can go on and tell you
where all my old assistants. One of them's the creative
director of the global communications director for I m G.
And other one's the global communications director for Now. I've
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like mentored and helped a gazillion people, and I don't
really feel like on this call like I need to
like defend myself as a mentor to young women. I've
been in business since I wrote to New York Times
bestselling books for young women. And if I if she
ever came to me, like wholeheartedly as a human being
and not a cast member on a television show and
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said this is what I want to do. I would
look at it with her. And also for the record,
when Whitney started her line, I told Whitney not to
do that line. I said, it's way too expensive. Like
your fans are really young girls like you should do
a license you deal like Lauren's doing with clothes. This
is like later on, but like that price point is
a really hard christ point two hundred and fifty dollars
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for a skirt. Kelly, you had the opportunity every time
that I was in people's revolution to say to me.
But I'm saying you could have said the producers told
me to make it hard. If you have any questions
or anything, I'm here for you. You keep saying you're
an amazing mentor. But you know what. I was in
tears after that, and one of the crew members, can
you listen, Kelly, listen, if you didn't know you're on
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a TV show, it's it's Kelly. It's not about being
on a TV show. It's about how you treat a
young woman when they say what they want to do.
Oh my god, Kelly, you're talking about your books and
your career, like enough, but stuff. Is there any chance
that because Kelly was tough that it did motivate you. No, no,
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I stopped going to fit him show. I stopped going
to fit him. I gave up all my handbags and
you know what from Abby, one of the crew members.
I still have it on my fridge. She made me
a card and cut out all these hand bags and
a little Stephanie and wrote cego handbag designer because I
was so upset. It's still on my fridge. Well, you know,
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I don't really know what. Just say sorry. I'm not
sorry because I didn't do it. I was all right,
But did I get where Kelly's coming from? But she
knew it was a TV show. She's saying she was
hired to do a job and she was doing it.
And then what's interesting is Stephanie, how old were you
at the time? Two? You totally took it to heart. Also,
you don't have to do that, Kelly. You could have
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said I don't want to be that me. You're the
one that took it up to that notch. No. No no, no, no,
no no no no. Why do we have it on
the phone we hang up? No, because you need to
be respectful of her too. I have no respect for you.
You can totally hang up. Think you're delusional. I think
this is super interesting. You can totally hang up. You
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can totally hang up on me. No, I don't. I
don't want them. It's not it's not going to stress
me out. I'm not going to spend the next five
years up if you hang on me. I was hired
to be on a TV show, But aren't given those
lines that all came from you, the what that came
from you. There was no script that you had to
say those things. That was your choice. No, that's not true.
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Yes it is. There was no script. It was really
inferred and it was really clear. They said, do not
make it easy on her. Look at her resume. And
by the way, by the way, I'm not I was
not the camp counselor, and that I was like a
gun for hire. And if you were really so devastated
that people were making cut out handbags for you, somebody
should have called me and said to me, so so
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you know, yeah, because you're so approachable, Kelly, are you
kidding me? You don't even know me, Stephanie, I know
enough two days. You don't know you were in my
office for two days and you think that's not there,
that's I don't think I worked there. I think I've
worked there when the show was there. Guys, guys, not
going anywhere, because I do know how you're like fifty
(29:56):
and arguing with me, this insane your show and gave
you these great clip. I mean you should be like
saying thanks for coming on my are you delisional free?
I'm I'm appreciative, wells and I appreciated, And I think
what's interesting is I don't want you on this. I
like Kelly a lot because I think she's is tough
and I respect it. I'm just wondering if maybe Stephanie
(30:19):
interpreted it at the time totally differently. That's what we're
give up on your dreams. You're never going to make it.
That's what my Just watch it again. That's essentially what
you're saying to me. I say to you, you're never
gonna make it. Watch the clip. You don't say those words,
you essentially give me the message. Oh my god. Let
(30:41):
me ask you this, Kelly, would you ever would you
ever go back like now that the Hills are coming back,
would you ever be a part of that world again?
Or No? I don't want to be on the hill.
You know, I have no destire to be on the
show at all. What do you do now, Kelly, here's
what's interesting. I did text one of the producers while
this was happening, and what's interesting. He responded with, I
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love them both so much because I do think because
you're both super dynamic and interesting and nutty right now,
that it's why they did this, because it was great
TV then and it's really good crazy right, it's really
really like California and New York state labor law, if
anybody works for you have to improvy them. You have
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to give them a paycheck. Just keep repeating, what do
you do now, Kelley, where's people's revolution? I'm so I'm
not going to even answer this. Okay, so we like
done this, like, I'm not answering to stuff me like
google it. Yeah, we're going to try and sort of
see if we can repair them. Yeah, there's something for
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me to repair. My statement is I was on a
television show. No one on the cast ever worked for me.
I'm really sad and shocked to hear that you thought
you were really in a real interview. I'm sorry that
nobody told you it wasn't real, and I'm glad you're
doing well. That's my comment. Okay, Okay, My comment is
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I know I was on a TV show, but they
did not tell you to say specific things that really
hurt me and stay with me. That was your choice
to treat me like that. Okay, there's something called a
TV show. I was told to interview you and not
make it easy. They pointed out the fact that your
intention was to be a handbag designer, and that you
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were in an interview for a PR company. Nobody should
ever put that they want to be a handbag designer
when they're interviewing for a PR job, so we use
that as a reveal in a takeaway. And they also
pointed out that you said that you were fluent in French,
which you weren't, and for me to bring that up
because I am Those were the two things that were
told to me. Okay, Yeah, I think I think we
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can probably ended here. I want to say thank you
Kelly for for coming on the show. I'm sure that
this probably wasn't what you expected. I don't know. I
don't know. Um I listen, I'm Johnny Everyman, and if
I'm listening to this podcast, I can totally see both
sides and I can understand, like you there's it was
called the TV. So Stefanie Pratt Lauren Conrad is just
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like damaged people's revolutions. Stefant has never spent more than
three days ever in people's revolutions. So if she okay,
you know what, I have a camera that Tom coaches everything.
We can just go back and pull it up. I
also have the DVD box set. Okay, I'm talking about
a security camera out of video. All right, bye bye,
(33:34):
all right, thank you so much, Kelly. Well that was stressful.
I am sweating right now. Guys. I'm I'm kind of
shaking a little bit. Are you okay? She just yeah,
(33:56):
leave to dig into it. I wish this was a
TV show like Your Eyes got read like black and red.
When the second that she got on the line, because
I stopped going to fashion school, I know, I listen,
I understand. She essentially told me one that I couldn't
be a handbag designer, that I did not deserve this internship,
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and that I would be nothing in fashion. I stopped
going to fashion school and gave up all my dreams
of designing handbags. And I had all of these books
and I had just gotten this software called the Handbag Library,
and I had been designing them on my computer. Like
I'm like, so, what did you do that? Right now?
Like she really really got to me. I was only
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twenty two, I get it, Like, who does that? What
did you want from her right in that moment? Did
you want her to say, listen, I'm so sorry? Like
I thought that everyone was in on on this. You know.
All I was really looking for from Kelly is just
be like, you know what, it was a show. I
was trying to make the producers happy, and I didn't
know that the words I chose to say we're hurtful
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and I'm sorry for that. I mean, it's literally that simple.
It'd be like if someone came in here and said
some really mean things that hurt your feelings, but they
were like it's a show. Yeah, it's a show, but
hurt full comments are still really hurtful, and you don't
have to like that's your choice to say those. The
producers could have told Kelly, okay, make it hard for her,
(35:22):
tell her that work hours or fourteen hours, that you
can only dress in black, but there's no lunch break.
I mean, she could have had a million ways to
make it hard for me not to say give up
on your dreams, I'm I'm just saying no one, no
one on reality TV has to say what the producers
want their vision to have. I still hold her responsible
(35:44):
because there was no script and those were her words.
And for her to also say that I was only
in People's Revolution three days, I'm sorry, it was months
that we were there filming. I think this is really interesting.
It's it's that blurred thing because even on The Bachelor,
you could speak to this. You know, you're on a show,
but the feelings are real. So this is this woman
(36:06):
she respects. So even though it's a TV show, she
still said something to Stephanie that hurt her. But also
as a person on a TV show, I don't know
why she would want to come off like that. She
could have been difficult in the interview in many different ways.
There was no script. Those were all things that she honestly,
(36:26):
truthfully felt and related to me. So I mean, that's
who she is. That's who she is. Well, Listen, people
can be inspired by a lot of different like avenues,
you know. I think that the way that she mentors,
or even to use the word inspires, is by through
fear which is nothing has ever worked with me, but
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I know it works for some people. I mean she
was talking about people. Everyone in the office hated her,
hated her. All of her real employees. I know her
and she is her daughter is lovely, but I like her. Yeah,
I mean this is how I perceived the whole thing.
She was terrifying. But she's kind of like that that
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boss bitch that like get it done, and so so
I understand. I understand what she was where she was
coming from. I don't think she ever had any feel
like you have. You were like, nothing but feelings, and
you went on the show and you expose yourself in
(37:30):
that in that way, I think for her it was okay,
you are the bad, angry pr lady, go do that.
And so I don't think that she has any remorse
because she was like, I was just doing what I
was supposed to be doing that That's how I am
perceiving it. And and she's like, but that's so cold.
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It spent ten years like that's how you're gonna speak
to me now. That's it just really shows her character. Yeah,
I just wish that she had been like, hey man,
I'm so sorry. I thought I thought I thought everyone
kind of knew about this. Instead, she just spent the
entire phone call defending herself, saying the same things over
and over again, and then promoting what she's doing now,
(38:16):
how great she is as a mentor, where her former
assistants are in her books, Like this isn't Kelly's hour,
Like we called you to like talk about something that
was very real that changed my path and that I
still think about and that I'm still angry about after
talking to you. How do you feel now about her?
You feel even even I feel like she hasn't changed.
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I feel like if she is working right now and
she has interns and employees, I feel like she's telling
them that they're at their job, like that's who she is.
She's not rooting for girls. M I wouldn't say that,
not girls specifically. She's just not saying this is going
(38:59):
to be good, you can do this, that's great. Would you, like,
I'm sorry, if I had an employee or an intern
and they told me that they wanted to be a zookeeper,
like I would automatically be all about it. I'd want
to encourage that person. I want to see them grow,
I want to see them reach their dreams. I wouldn't say,
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you know, is there any chance? Because of how she
was it fired you up to accomplish what you've accomplished. No,
I always wanted to be a designer, and I moved
to London because because if people like her, I didn't
like l A. I still have a problem with l
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accomplish your dream. Yeah you are, you are a designer, yes,
but there's no way. Yeah, in spite of her, you
still did it. I did it on my own though.
It wasn't like, oh because she told me I can't
I'm going to do Kelly. It was I didn't even
think about her until I came back to l A
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and everyone's asking me about my clothing line and Kelly
Kitroll And like, what would you say to her now?
You know, like she's never thought like once I moved
to London, she was gone. I wonder if some subconsciously,
somewhere deep inside it did it did light a fire
into your ask though, But also like if she keeps
saying that she's like a mentor mentor in this incredible
(40:25):
role model. When my clothing line like was all over
the news when I first got it, write me an email,
say like so happy for you. It's not the handbags lull,
but happy for you. All right, Let's take a quick
break right right now, because I think everyone needs like
smoke a cigarette or so, I don't know what, and
(40:46):
we need a scotch and a cigar. I need to
call my therapist. We're gonna go get massages. We'll be
right back. Okay, we good, Yeah, all right. Here's here's
the thing that that I'm going to take away from
all this in my in my career, there have been
(41:07):
people who have who have helped me in different ways.
There are people who have made me angry and hurt
my feelings and I want to be successful in spite
of them. And then there are people that um that
are positive and and lift me up. And to be
honest with you, I don't know if to be honestly,
(41:29):
I I gotta think that the people that piss me
off the most were the ones that really made me.
There were so many people that are like, don't be
in radio. It's dying. This is the dumbest idea in
the world. You're not very good at it, you don't
have a very good voice, and I says, and you're
never gonna make any money, which is still very true. Um,
and I remember thinking, f you, I'm gonna go do
(41:51):
that I wanted. This is what I wanted to. I've
done sound sixteen years old. It's important to me. And
there's no one that I can call right now and
just yell at them like what just happen with you?
But I do think there is a little bit of
like the fire inside of you that was created from her,
whether you want to admit it or not. Like I
think that you were able to do these amazing things
(42:12):
as a woman because there was another woman that said
you couldn't. That's my thought on it. You know, people
definitely in situations they work from being you know, in
a positive place and being encouraged and then some people
excel if they're told like what you were just saying
that helped you. I want to be around positive people.
(42:33):
I don't want any negativity in my life. I don't
want a negative, you know, superior adult around me saying
those things like I'm all for positivity and that, like
that's really all I have to say, i'm am, is
that you're able to keep your composure and like steal
maybe go out and be like I'm sorry, I just
can't do it anymore. Because the more she kept on
(42:55):
saying it's a TV show, are you delusional? Was pissing
off even more because for me, every time on I'm
on reality TV, I am true to myself, honest and
it's real for me. Sure they add music to it,
but like that's real for me. What's amazing about that
whole thing is we started off the podcast with you
talking about your you and your brother and your family's
(43:16):
relationship and how like the problem that the Pratts have
is that you guys are too real and then and
then segue into that where you're like, this is real
for me, It's not a TV show, Kelly, which is insane.
You know, I've been doing reality TV since I was
twenty two. I was doing in London. I haven't stopped.
And everything is real for me. Everything I'm not fake.
(43:39):
I put everything out there. And how people treat me,
I don't know if they're being fake or producers are
telling them to say that, but they have a choice
to do that or to be themselves. So I will
forever be true to myself and you know, wear my
heart on my sleeve and if I get them emotional,
(44:00):
which I have over things with my brother in the series.
Like that's me. Like I didn't sign up to be
on reality TV to lie and to look pretty. I didn't.
I wanna, you know, I want to connect with the viewers.
I'm excited for this next season. I'm exhausted. Well, I
am still sweating. I think we should end the podcast
(44:22):
right now and go get a drink. Okay you want to? Yes? Please?
All right? Uh, hell's yeah? Shows over. We follow pratt
cast on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcasts.
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