August 21, 2024 • 60 mins
Right now, Zionism has been the way to separate being an anti-semite from objecting to Israel's behavior and actions in Gaza. But do you know what the OTHER Zionism is? Maybe you've heard Bob Marley talk about Zion in his music. It's not the same thing.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Media. Words are funny.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
That's how I'm opening this because look, there's sounds that
we just decided meant stuff to the point of where
sounds can make you take somebody life. And sometimes the
same sound can mean different things depending on their spelling
(00:31):
their context. Give an example, when Black people say barbecue,
we could be talking about three different things. We could
be talking about the food Barbecue. We could be talking
about as in like the style of cooking barbecue, the food.
We could be talking about the actual act of cooking
that food. To barbecue. We could be talking about an event.
(00:54):
We are going to the barbecue. You not invited to
the barbecue. The what the East call the cookout, we
call the barbecue out here out west.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's the same with the Latinos, like with Mexicans. They
say the Canada, they mean one of three things.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
They mean the act of grilling. We are going to
have it.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Cadogna saida that is we're gonna have barbecue, We're gonna grill,
and we are going to eat Cardiaa like they just
it's the name of the food, it's the act of grilling,
and it's the event.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So that's the Mexican version of saying.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
When we be like, oh, you ain't invited to the barbecue,
they say you're not invited to the cardie asada, Like
that's what they mean.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The word is the same.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It means three different things depending on the context and
when it's coming out their mouth.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
You could figure out what's happening. Now.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I say all that to get very serious on to
talk about the words zion. Oh, it's about to get
I felt like I heard the record scratch right now,
because if you've listened to reggae music, if you've heard
anything made by Bob Marley, you don't heard the word
zion many times.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
You're a fan of Lauren Hill. What's the name of
her child? Zion? Now that Joe and mild in Zion.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Black people love Zion, Moltzion a boy on the side
of Babylon trying to front like you down with mozoyon
ou la la la is the way that we rock
with we doing out think.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
The black hotep Rosta, you know, chow stick. We'd love Zion.
We're chanting down Babylon. Babylon is will be defeated by
Mount Zion. Is that the same Zion in Israel and Palestine.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
What y'all mean by that? Then?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
What the hell is a Zionist? So is that somebody
that believe in Mount Zion?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Like? What? How? What is Zionism?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And I'm sure if you listen to this show data ops, right,
you you convince Zion like those are the ops.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
So I don't know if the thought has ever crossed
your mind to be like, well, is is the.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Zionism that y'all talking about the same Zion? And Zion
is that the rosters.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Are talking about?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
What?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
What?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Maybe it's never crossed your mind, but it's the word
needs to be dissected. So I am using this moment
to teach you two things. What do the rosters mean
when they say Zion? And what is Zionism and its history?
All right to a politics? Okay, listen first before I
(03:50):
get into it. This week is like this.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
What look is like this? What look is like this?
It's like this sun? It's like that sun, like I'm pumping.
Let me take the news serious, all right? This week
it's like this.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, the Olympics ended, and I'm only excited about breaking.
I'm sad that it's not gonna be in twenty twenty
eight and it's not because of ray Gun. They decided
before her that they weren't gonna do it in LA,
which sucks. I don't know why they decided that, but
they decided that way back in twenty twenty. Having said that,
(04:32):
speaking of ray Gun, I know she's taken over to memes.
I feel bad for these amazing b boys and be girls,
specifically Logistics. Sorry, that's a text, specifically Logistics. I not
murdered them, fools. And while she was in the middle
of slaying, absolutely slaying ray Gun, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Have you ever been in a battle? Okay, Now, I'm
from LA.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So that double time kind of what you think is
bone thugs and harmony chopping stuff that originates at a
place called the Good Life Project blowed this group called
Freestyle Fellowship, and that is a sound that just kind
of came from the LA underground.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
My figured rymee look at a time like, I don't
rap like that.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
So if you're at a spot and you're battling somebody
and they killing it on the double time, it's killing
the crowd you have. You I can't compete with that.
You gotta go all the way the other way. You
gotta get real creative and try to do something else.
So for me it becomes I'm gonna try to do
the contrast and do sort of a slow flow with
a gang of wordplay and get really creative with a pattern.
(05:38):
My time rhymes to find the mind saturn roller skate
rhymes to find a kind kattern, pump a bone battern
for the bold flatter, you will flatter you know what
I'm saying. I'll make you scatter like just something else.
You gotta take a.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Chance, and sometimes it lands, sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, you get creative, you take a shot like take
old dirty bastard, he don't rap like the rest of
wu tag. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And I
picked up when she was throwing down. She was trying
to rep the ausie land, do animal style kangaroo hops
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to rep her soil and be creative.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Now I don't know nothing about her husband being in
charge of no thing and all that good stuff that
they were saying. All I know is you have to
battle a lot of people to get to the top,
and battling is very subjective, and sometimes creativity and style
points count. But when your creativity just swinging a miss.
(06:46):
She clearly don't have no power moves. She was battling
logistics who got style, finess, flavored dance, intangibles and power moves.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
What are you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I saw a headspinning there, but she clearly don't have
no power move. So she's trying to fight back with style.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Just didn't work.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
So I'm saying this as somebody who has been in
a battle, and sometimes you lose your train of thought
and the words sound like gibberish.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
She too, She took a creative chance and it was
a swing and a miss.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Sometimes it happens on a serious note. Okay, receipts are
being pulled on walls and on JD and everybody involved,
and we're trying to figure it out. The Democrats are
doing their best to make Project twenty twenty five Trump's thing,
which it is not. It is somebody trying to tie
it to Trump. I can't believe I'm saying this in
(07:38):
his defense. That is a lot of overlap, but that's
their own thing now Trump, it's all caps saying Trump
he don't know who the people are because he know
who they are and he know what they want.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So that's cap.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But it's in his defense, is not his now? Secondly,
in JD Vance's defense. I know, I know what it
sounds like, but I'm gonna say it. He being dragged
over this app harvest startup. So that was a company
that was an agricultural company that was supposed to be
an Appalachia and was going to give hundreds and hundreds
(08:10):
of jobs to the area. Everybody got excited. It was like, dope, man,
he one of us, or at least you told us
he one of us. It's going to be a fresh job.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Again, he was an investor and he was just on
the board. Now, I have sat on a couple boards.
And just because you're on the board don't mean you
in charge of operation now. And just because you're an
investor don't mean you in charge of the money now.
You got a lot to say, obviously, but you can't
necessarily be blamed for everything to go bad, and you
(08:40):
can't necessarily take the praise for everything that go good. Now,
not only did this business fail. Before it failed, they
was talking about it was one hundred and twenty degrees
inside that building because it's a greenhouse. The conditions were terrible.
And while everybody was like, man, I can't work in here.
They brought in not a couple migrant workers, not even
(09:00):
Mike undocumented, five hundred of them, five hundred undocumented workers,
which in any other scenario, all right, what do I care?
The reason why any of us care is because you
supposed to be Captain Appalachia.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
You called yourself that.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
If you didn't call yourself Captain Appalachia, it would have
just been a failed thing. But you set yourself up
as Robin Hood of the Woods. So since you did that, you,
I mean, what you're gonna say, Homeie, I saw your
watch you confront like you one of us. But that
ain't really hurting nobody. Now you're hurting us saying you
one of us. So he's gonna have to answer to that.
(09:37):
And his answer was, yeah, sucked. I invested and I
was on the board, but I mean I wasn't in charge.
And in his defense, he's.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Right now if it is wallskutog.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Y'all still calling that man tampon ten as if you ain't.
All you got to do, beloved is read it. You
can read the law. It is all over Beyonce's Internet.
I'm a reader for you. You Article one General Education,
Section one one dot two twelve Access to menstrual products.
(10:08):
A school district charter must provide students with access to
menstrual products at no charge. The products must be available
to all menstruating students in restrooms regularly used by students
in grades four through twelve, according to the plan developed
by the school district for purposes of this section. Menstrual
products means pads, tampons, or other similar products used in
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connection to menstrual cycle.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's it. That's what the law say.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Not the whole reputting tampos and boys bathrooms. I mean, okay,
I just read you the law. That's what the law say.
So just you know, cap down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
The DNC has started. We looking for you to put
some words to your excitement.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Anti.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
We looking for Joe to like, you know, go out
in a blaze of glory and uh, it's all week
this week now. Now, I did get to watch a
lot of Mondays, not enough to do a full recap.
But the thing that's most interesting right now is the
comparison to the nineteen sixty eight one, which was there's
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a lot of similarities. There was a huge protest that
happened in sixty eight against the Vietnam War, and right
now there's a huge protest going on against the war
in Gaza. The difference in nineteen sixty eight and now
is the cops beat the breaks off them protesters on
TV like we all saw it this time. See Robert
and Sophie and Garre are out there and they pretty
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much kind of behaved.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It's pretty chill.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Now we'll see, But right now it's being pretty chill,
relatively speaking. And what's different this time is Joe went
off script. Joe said, you know what, them protesters out there,
they got a point.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Innocent people being killed on both sides.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Now, now, Sophie says she got a view of the
teleprompter that wasn't on the script. Now, of course we're
we're all grabbing for scraps, But good for him, that's
a good scrap to grab. I'm so glad you acknowledged it,
rather than acting like it's just a party on the inside.
The campaigns of Harris and of Trump have been hacked
by Iran, according to the US Intelligence It's not like
(12:17):
this wasn't expected. Country's been tapping into our elections as
a sport. They've been doing this for a long time.
Iran is not happy. Iran is like, you not only
did you kill Cosum Soulamani, you just popped another We
believe you just popped another person on our soil recently.
Because you gotta remember, like Israel and America are interchangeable.
(12:38):
To them, they don't ain't no difference share. That means
that y'all need to double check all sources. That mean
you need to question everything coming at you and keep
your antennas high.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Another interesting difference is is that the news didn't report it.
They didn't report the stuff that was in the league.
You know. Man, in twenty sixteen, this was like catnip
all the leaks, you know, butter emails. It's almost like
we learned a lesson, like you know, and there's a
few ways to look at it, right. It's like, hey,
(13:12):
like if it's something in there that's like really like
American people need to know. It's like, what's your duty
as the media to be like, Okay, I know how
we got it, but like it's kind of too real
to talk about it, to not talk about it. On
the other hand, it's like, you know when people make
fun of your little brother, and they be right about him,
(13:33):
but you can't make fun of him. I don't want
to hear from you, like you can't say nothing about
my little brother, your mom being like you telling on
your little brother, your mom like why you snitching. I
don't want to hear from you, just because like, no,
you don't get to talk about it. So the news
was like, I mean thank you because they sent they
(13:54):
sent the content of the hacks to pro Publica. They
was like, yo, you can have it pro Publica. It
was like, okay, cool, thank you, but like I don't
need to get this from you, I mean respect. And
finally there's another rumor of a ceasefire deal, and I
say rumor because that's exactly what it sounds like because
Anthony blinking like, yo, it's good. We just waiting on
her mask. Benjamin then y'all who said, like, I ain't
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agree to nothing. I don't know what you're talking about.
They still haven't met our turns. And in the middle
of that, we just still sent twenty million dollars to
them people.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So let's be real.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Can't nobody really tell another country what to do? You
can't really, there's no way an American president can stop
a country from going to war to another country, but
what they can do is not pay for it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Anyway, Let's get to what Zion is like this all
(15:01):
right now, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Now listen, I am going to do both these things
an incredible injustice because both of these topics will take
a lifetime to understand, and both of these topics could
have many different interpretations depending on your understanding of history, politics, religion.
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Remember when I wanted to talk to y'all about the
who thy's husbelah all of these different topics where I'm like,
when you get into a religion, just like listen, listen
when I say Christian, it's the same concept when I
say Christian. We talk about my Zion all the time.
Matter of fact, if you black, you probably went to
Mount zion A and me new get Semity Church of
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God at Christ Now I made that up right now,
There's probably is a new guest, there's probably a Mount
zion A and me I.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Know there is is one in South Central.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
What I'm trying to say is we use these terms
all the time because they end. But when I say Christian,
that's what I mean. Now when you say Christian. You
may think Holy Roller Pentecosta, you may think Trump, you
may think you may think Catholic, you may think there's
so many other things you might think that are all
these different? So you asked, you ask ten different Christians
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what does it mean to be Christian?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You're gonna get ten different answers most likely.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Remember we did the Terrorform episode with the hummy Kevin Garcia,
and I tried to break down in the beginning. It
was tough, but I tried to give y'all a cursory
understanding of like Western Church history. You see how I
had to give that caveat that I'm talking about Western Church, like,
we ain't talking Coptic, we not talking Greek Orthodox, were
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not talking Russian Jesuit Like.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
There's this You could really get lost in the week.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
So please give me that grace that what I am
about to talk to you about is grossly trunk caded, Okay,
but it's just to help y'all understand so that as
you have your picket signs out that at least you
don't sound like a herd. So first let me teach
y'all what a rastadm, what arastadim mean when they say,
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mont Zion and I'm sorry about my patois rastadim. Okay, first,
let me step back and say what I'm What is Rastafarianism? Now,
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I would say, like globally, it's probably one of the
youngest world religions, getting its roots by name in the
nineteen thirties, deriving from the Ethiopian emperor Hali Selassii. Okay, Now,
as I say this again, like a rasta, a Rastafari, like,
this is not a compartmentalized philosophy, your religion. This is
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a way of life, right, a liberty. You know, this
is our culture, our heritage, our history, right and our
way of being, which some could argue is well, that's
the definition of a religion. A religion, a way of
being right, your liturgy. Anyway, there is an encompassing around this.
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Now it is impossible to separate Rasta from the africanness
of it.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
So the belief is this, when you listen to roots reggae,
when you listen to you know, Bob Marley and them, like,
there's so much to cover, dance hall, like that's the
club music, roots reggae, like you think of this as
like worship, like this is praise and worship. There is
a tie going back to the Queen of Sheba and
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King Solomon. Now I'm getting into my Old Testament. This
is why there's so much Judaism and christian tied to it,
because there is a belief that it's and it's and
rightfully so, because if you believe the Bible, it's in
the scriptures. Is that the Queen of Sheba, which was
it's believed to be an ancient queen from the region
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of Ethiopia. Now obviously Ethiopia is a nation state, but
Ethiopia as as a continual connection of tribes a Romo
Tigre like just the different tribes that are there.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
They have. Ethiopia and Thailand shares the legacy of being
the only two countries that were never colonized or conquered.
Is not Israel.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Italy almost did right, the British almost did, but they
were never able to actually colonize Ethiopia.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And Ethiopia takes a lot of.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Pride in this, so a lot of their lineage and
heritage because their history wasn't cut off or attempted to
be raised.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
You can know a lot about them.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Ethiopia in the scriptures in the Bible is called the
land of cush Also, right, it's believed that Moses's wife,
Zipporah was from Ethiopia when Moses. This is all Old
Testament stuff, but it's all makes sense. It all makes
sense as to why the connection is so important to him.
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Moses before the whole let my people go, before the
Ten Commandments type joint. Moses supposedly, according to the story,
saw a one of Pharaoh's guards abusing one of the
Jewish slaves, and he hopped up and killed the guy,
and then he had to run. And so then when
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he ran, he ran to the to Midian and he
married Jethrow's daughter. And it was believed that that area
was Ethiopia. Okay, so like that at least the region
that we now call Ethiopia. So there's this belief that
Moses's first wife. You fast forward to Solomon King David,
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King David's son, right, the writer of Psalms, and it's
believed that, according to the passages, that he had never
seen anybody more beautiful or a kingdom more amazing than
the kingdom that the Queen of Shiba came from. Now
you fast forward to Emperor SALASSII and Emperor SALASSII, a
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Romo Ethiopian man who became the emperor of what we
know to be Ethiopia, right geopolitically, but it's a belief
that his bloodline can be traced back to King Solomon. Right,
the emperor blood line of Ethiopia could be traced back
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to King Solomon's.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's the roster belief.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Again, as many rosters, you might get many answers, but overall,
this is the belief right now.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Set that aside. Okay, Another connection is in.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I know there's a lot of Bible stuff, but you
got to follow me because we are talking about Jews
and Rastas, so of course we're going to talk about
the Bible right now. The Book of Acts in the
Bible has this story of this one of the apostles
named Philip, and Philip runs into an Ethiopian eunuch who,
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according to the Bible, was reading the Book of Isaiah.
And Philip sees him on the road and he's like,
you know what you're reading? And the dudes like, how
can I know? If nobody teaches him? So he sits
down with him, and he, according to the scripture, according
to the Bible, explains Isaiah, the prophecies, the Messiah, the
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death barely on resurrection of Jesus, and how that stuff
was prophesied in the Book of Isaiah. So he ties
other things and then it says that this Ethiopian eunuch
got baptized right then. Now it is then believed that
he brought Christianity as we know it. Their belief is
like we we saw it right there, but prov I
thought Rostel was Jamaican, I'll get to it. So so
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that's that's tie number three right now. The fourth tie,
which is one of the most compelling things to me
between the Jews, Zion and Ethiopia is the city of Axom.
So the city of Axom is in the northern part
of Ethiopia and is known to be and it's truthfully
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the oldest, the first and oldest Christian city because contrary
to what yell, little white pastor will teach you, the
faith went to Africa before it went to Europe. Okay, hell,
it went to Mongolia before it went to Europe. The
point is the white man ain't teach us who Jesus was.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It is also believed that the arc of the Covenant
from the Old Testament isn't axiom. There are ruins at
different church that have good archaeological evidence to believe that
they set up the tent with the dimensions that Exodus
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and Deuteronomy and them, and then all Testament scriptures have
taught them to do this. There are if you go
to Israel now black Ethiopian Jewish people. As a matter
of fact, they to be able to now get into
the modern politics, to be able to repatronize, to be
able to come back to Israel as a Jew, you'd
have to prove by your DNA that you have Jewish heritage,
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you are in fact an ethnic Jew. And the Ethiopians
there's a sect of Ethiopia that not only can prove it,
but are some argue, the closest like DNA related to
what might be the ancient Israeli Right, they're the like
that some would argue that as far as the diaspora,
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not as far as like people ain't never let I'm
talking abouts far as the diaspora, right, so they it
can truly say. And there's a lot of traditions that
in certain parts of Ethiopia that they continued far longer
and are actually far more closely related to the ancient practices,
then what modern Israel looks like. This is just it's
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just history now because anti blackness is universal.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
When they got to.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Israel, the modern Israel, a lot of Ethiopian women were sterilized.
And if you walk around Jerusalem, just like everywhere else,
the people doing all of the all of the dirty work,
all of the bront work, all of the jobs, nobody
won't are the black. Unfortunately, that being said, the tie
between Ethiopia, the ancient religion of Judaism, and the ancient
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people of Israel, one because of the region, one because
of folklore, and one because of DNA has Ethiopia is
the verifiably connected to whatever the ancient Jerusalem was. Okay,
you fast forward to Holly SELASSII in the nineteen thirties,
who they believe according to a Rasta him Is, I
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want to say two hundred and twenty fifth, my I
think that's what my cousin told me two hundred and
twenty fifth. Don't quote me on this, I'm just quoting
my cousin of the Solomonic dynasty. So they believe that
like the actual king, like a descendant of King David right,
a son of David kind of like who Jesus was
a descendant of David, right, was also Selassia ya ya
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ya aa you following me?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Now, the word Arastafarii comes from Halli Selassi, which is
ras Tafarai. Right, It's it was his name, right. So
he was one of the only independent black leaders in
Africa at the time. Right, So he bears this cultural, political, historic,
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and symbolic importance to just the African diaspora. Now, once
you get into the practices of Rastafarianism, like again like
the rastadim, the way of life, like the diet, you know,
avoiding shellfish, eating seafood, like it's pretty similar to like
kosher practices again because they have this tie to the.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Land, the history.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
So there's there's a lot of practices that are like
that are that they they they have a lot of
practices about being welcoming to the sojourner, about the way
that we collectively sing ja is a Jamaican version of
saying yah, which is short for yahweh.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
So when we say.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Jah rastafari, you know it's your ja is yah yahweh
or jahovah. Right.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
So these a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Of them are vegetarian. They don't eat meat at all.
Definitely not be for pork. Because you keep the temple clean, right,
you very rarely are gonna find and overweight rasta like
they're usually in incredibly good shape. The dreadlocks have to
do what what's called the valve the Nazarite because again
we're talking the Old Testament Samson in the Bible. You
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know Samson with his golden locks, you know the Samson
and Delilah. Like Samson that took what's called a Nazarite vow,
which was a vow to keep himself holy to the Lord.
And the symbol of that holiness to the Lord was
not crust cutting your hair. This is as a symbol
of our holiness.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
The vow of the Nazarite. You grow your dreadlocks. Right.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Dreadlocks was a term given to us by the British
that we just own Nazi dread so because our hair,
our locks were dreadful, so dreadlocks. There's also sex that
believe that like God grabs the dead souls by their
dreadlocks and bring them to brings them to Heaven. Again,
there's the symbols beautiful, but either way, it's a symbol
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of the promise your commitment to keeping yourself sanctified to
the Father, right is if you're being a traditional rostadem
Now their belief different than it's still again so follow me.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
This is still at Abrahamic faith.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
That's why you're gonna hear terms like mauzaion, right, which
I'm gonna get to specifically in a second. But their
belief different than Christianity, although similar in a lot of ways,
similar to Judaism in a lot of ways. Their belief
is that, like I said, Selassie was the Messiah. Right,
this is an Afrocentric belief. How did it get to
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Jamaica the trans Atlantic slave trade. So it gets to
Jamaica via the slave trade. We got carted off. Remember
this is an Afrocentric belief. And when Africans got brought
to Jamaica, they brought their beliefs.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Then it sinked.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
You know, had a lot of syncretism with a lot
of like the voodoo and tribal and Caribbean practices, you know,
a lot of the stuff that was happening in the Caribbean.
That because again this is East Africa, West Africa with
the Arishi and the you know, and a lot of
the West African beliefs are a little more animis.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
You know, and not so Abrahammick, if you will.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Right, all that to say, just like any other faith,
tradition or practice, when it travels, it takes on a
lot of the personalities, traditions, and practices of the people
that it traveled with and the location it lands. So
the music that you hear, because obviously if you hear
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music in Ethiopia, it don't sound like reggae because reggae
is Jamaican, right, So what you consider Rastafarian, you think Caribbean,
because that's I mean, I get it right. And Ethiopia
is Christian, right of course, there's obviously it's a modern country.
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There's millions of religions there, not millions, but you know
what I mean, there's a lot of different religions there,
but Ethiopia's Christian rasta that's birthed out of the diaspora
that has its.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Tie to Ethiopia.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Y'all following me, you have people like Marcus Garvey, right,
who we need to at some point do a whole
study on him in the Back to Africa movement. And
I don't have time to get into the depths of
Marcus Garvey. But but the point was, as far as
the Pan African experience, were those who the diaspora, we
who got separated from our land, whether it was your
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run of the mill black Baptist slave in Tuscaloosa, right
in Mobile, Alabama, backwoods of preacher and you know, making Georgia,
that we was on the plantations.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
If a Bible got into our.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Hands, it was so easy to see ourselves in the
children of Israel. Like it's not hard to see. If
you read the Book of Exodus, you like, damn, that's us.
It was too it was too the connection is too obvious.
We're like, oh my gosh, cart it off into slavery
from a distant land. Like and then there's a longing
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for a return to your promised land. The city and
the capital of my promised land is the city of Zion.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
You're following me.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
It would be the same in the Caribbean for the
rastadem But they looking back in Selassie, it is Rastafarianism
is by definition anti colonial, obviously, and they believe that
Africa is their not only their their literal ancestral homeland,
but it's their spiritual homeland and the country of Ethiopia
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gets a particular reverence because of the role it played
in the nineteenth century for the resistance of because of Selassie,
for the resistance of European imperialism. Everybody else fell, Ethiopia didn't.
So the gold, green, and red colors of the modern
Ethiopia flag are the traditional colors of the Rastafarian because
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it can in some ways get it roots, gets its
roots from there.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Okay, I know that was a long preamble, but you
gotta understand we're talking. So once you have this understanding
of your connection to Judaism practice anti colonial you know, dispersed,
taken away from your homeland and longing for a return
to your promised land, now we could talk about what
Zion is. Now, Rastafarian has two basic tent poles Zion Babylon.
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You hear that stuff in all the raget you listen to, right,
So these are the theological ideology ideological tent poles. The
dichotomy is tied again to the anti colonial origins because Babylon,
remember again in your Old Testament, is the symbol of
the evil powers, the evil empire, just like in the Bible,
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it's the the the the epitome.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
It is everything that's wrong in the world.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
It's the system is symbolized in king Nebukane, the the
and the kingdom of Babylon.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
And we long to see Babylon fall.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
We chant down bout this worldly system that enslaves and
and and attacks and and seeks to control not only
the outward person, but the inside of you what what
Christians would call your sin nature worldly Babylon. Right. So,
if you're following again the saga of the Old Testament
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Israel fleeing Egypt or getting away from Egypt, becoming free
and then being enslaved.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
By Babylon again, Babylon's the problem. Does that make sense? Now?
In the Bible, Zion is just.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Another name for Jerusalem, right, and it can refer to
the land of Israel fully. Now the Rastafarian Okay, this
is where our difference is repurpose the Biblical definition to
an Afrocentric direction. For the Rasta Zion is the continent
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of Africa, specifically Ethiopia. But the term represents not just
a physical place, because Ethiopia is just Ethiopia, but it's
an ideal. It's what we would call to become cross.
It's this is paradise. This is Thy Kingdom. Come Thy
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will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Zion,
Heaven and Earth meets. So it's not just it's it's
physical and so much more, which in a lot of
ways is the same for the jew But we'll get
to that. It is the destruction of a worldly system
and the raising of a selected godly kingdom where all
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of us. What we would talk about, the Christians would
talk about the Kingdom of God is righteousness, peace, enjoying
the Holy goth is to be a part of the kingdom.
So it's a both place and it's an idea to
strive for. Right where the Rasta's they would equate with
preserving and glorifying Black African culture, right the Iron Lion
of Zion, you know, Bob Marley's you know some but
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for more information, like Rastafari is kind of like like
how we have denominations. There's a divide it into mansions,
and they got it from like the Gospel of John
when Jesus says, in my father's house there are many mansions.
Right again, I'm telling you it's an Abrahamic faith. A
lot of people don't think it's just a. It's a
black you know, anti colonial African outpour of it. Right,
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so you have like the Bobo, the Ashanti, the twelve tribes.
That's that's a denomination, if you will, they would call
it the twelve tribes of Israel. N I never pronounced it, right,
But the Naya be the Naya be BINGI like, I
never pronounce it right. But there are a certain type
now some again, there are some look more traditional than others,
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and then a lot of people just follow like an
individual like rasta way of viewing it. But at the
end of the day, Ethiopia is, for lack of better term,
the new Jerusalem. This is zion when we're talking about Rastad. Okay,
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now what the Zionists believe? Next? All right, we're back
(38:08):
now Zionism the name the overall name for right now.
You know, if you're pro Palestine, that's the.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Name of the bad guys. They're Zionists.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
And people have tried to separate the idea of anti
Semitism from Zionists being anti Zionists, that these are different things.
Now that would mean that you'd have to understand all
those things and their history from them. Now I'm trying
to handle this like with as much respect as I can,
because I'm talking about a culture that's not mine, right,
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So please grant me that grace that there's I'm probably
gonna overlook. Like I said in the beginning, I'm probably
gonna overlook some stuff that I'm not trying to overlook.
I'm trying to give as best as I can and
understanding right of these different things anti am I that's
I mean, those are the Nazis. You just don't believe that.
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It's a type of thing. It's a type of overall
term for the concept of the convolution of idea, this
weird idea that all that is wrong. Like it's almost
like you've made the Jew Babylon, you know what I'm saying,
Like we just talked about like you, they are everything
that's wrong. They are both. They are both the killers
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of Jesus. They are the vermin that I'm trying to
describe anti Semitism, the the the religion and the ethnicity
that somehow or another is poor and subhuman but also
quietly controls all of the inner workings of money and
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power in the world. And your only solution is to
wipe them out. That would be anti Semitic. That's the
idea of that that comes from this thing called the
Protocols of Zion, which again the word Zion I'm gonna
talk about, which is something that we've talked about on
the Behind the Bastards episodes of the Protocols design.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Now that's anti Semitic.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Now once we get into now if you remember the
one of the You Wasn't Outside episodes when we pulled
the clip of a rabbi explaining the idea of what
makes a Jew a Jew according to the faith is
they're covenant with Yahweh. That it's not necessarily a location.
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As a matter of fact, to see it as a
location is to minimize it. Where he was like the
Promised Land that our claim is because we are in
covenant with Yahweh and that can happen anywhere.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
The location don't matter. So to say that the capital
has to be.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
In Jerusalem or has to be in Tel Aviv because
that's God's will is He's like, no, you're missing the point,
Like who cares where a modern nation state plants? Like
that's a secular system that is like the rastadem would
say that is Babylon. To worry about what other nations
say I am a part of the kingdom, and the
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kingdom exists because I am in covenant with yaw. We
are a covenant people. That's what makes that's what gives
us our Jewishness is our covenant with y'owe.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Who cares what the borders are.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
That would be a specific type of Judaism, right, A
religious type of Judaism. Now, an ethnic Judaism something different.
A political Judaism is something different. And that's what we're
going to talk about right now. Zionism as we're talking
about not the Rastadim, but Zionism. You could say, I'd say,
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go back to August twenty ninth, eighteen ninety seven. It
was a meeting on the Rhine River in this small
city like in Switzerland.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Called Basil, right, um Basil.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Now, this meeting had people from all over the world,
and it was to discuss this concept of Zionism. Now,
like I said in the Biot, like I said, zion
is just a biblical term for Jerusalem. Right, So they
choose that term because if you're paying attention to Europe Pagras,
it ain't a good place for Jews. It's been all
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bad for them for a while. And this discussion was
to say we have to have a place cause it
seemed like no matter where we go, we not want it.
Now they pull in all the way back Damaal freaking
Canaan to Egypt. They are talking about their deep history
and they're like, like, no matter where we go, we
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not want it. So we need to find a place
where we could just be ourselves. And they thought, what
better place than our ancestral homeland. Now, if you're looking
around this room, you would think the same thing. I
would think, y'all white as hell, Like you're you're European.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I don't understand the same.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Way that you would probably look at that Ethiopian and go,
but you're African.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
But follow me now.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
So people in during the time, from like Munich, from Germany,
from Poland, from Switzerland, they're like, what is you talking about?
Like I'm just as German as everybody they German. They're like,
we speak German, like this is just our religious Like
I ain't never seen I never been to Israel, never
seen Israel.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Israel's not a thing at the time.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
That place is Palestine, you know, like it's not a
that's not a that's it would be the same as
me saying I need to go back to Nubia, but
like Nubia's gone, you know black people like again a
Marcus Garvey thing, but that was closer today time, like
you need to go back to there's no place here
wanted for you. I'm like, well, that's not I don't
I don't even know the language they speak at Tobo.
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I'm guessing that because I took an African ancestry and
they were saying I'm my father side that maybe.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I'm like, what do I know about? I don't even
think about that.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
So the Jews at the time were like, what, I
don't this what did you talking about? Like it would
be the equivalent to a back to Africa movement to
where it's like, I mean, it sounds cool, but like
I mean it's already people there, and I mean it's
been hundreds of year, like I'm German, like we're German.
A lot of the rabbis were like, look, first of all,
this is blasphemous. Were not supposed to return until the
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Messiah come, Like that's what the prophecies that, and he
gonna bring us back.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
I don't know about what the hell you doing? Right?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
And then the others, like the more modern ones, were like, well,
we're not a nation like. That was actually the point,
Like don't you then you read yo yo taura, you
don't need a king. I'm your king. You're not a
nation like That's the point. The point is you're supposed
to be different. I'm your king. You're a part of
a kingdom of God, the kingdom of Heaven, and I'll
bring you back when it's time, when the Messiah come.
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So like whatever y'all doing, that's not even now I'm
saying that again, this is eighteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
That's that was the belief of them.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Now again those were some rabbi and not only that,
Like I said, they're like, well, I'm French, I do
what anyway, Enter this guy named Theodore Herzel right, who
was a journalist who covered this actually probably one of
the most radicalizing moments for anybody, for any Jew in Europe, right,
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and it was the case for this man named Alfred Dreyfus, right,
which basically became like the trial of the century. They
called it the Dreyfus affair, and the journalist who covered
it was Theodore Herzel. Basically, the Dreyfus was accused of
treason and found guilty and sentenced to like a work prism,
totally wrongfully convicted, completely.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Out of nowhere, y'all made all that up.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
But how that work was like because he was Jewish,
it became not just about him, but that you can't
trust the jew. And Theodore Hertzel's watching all this, and
he's watching the people get whipped up into a frenzy.
People that was just your neighbors. Like again, I'm just
as German as you, I'm just as European as you are. Like, fam,
I remember the feeling when Trump first started taking over
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the brains of the white Christian where I was like dog,
we was at cracker Barrel yesterday.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Like we used to what just what has bewitched you?
Like all of was you like this the whole time?
It was super confusing. It's like all of a sudden,
we're different, y'all. It's me like I've been meet this
whole time. So Theodore Hertzel was like, yo, okay, listen,
we clearly not wanted here and it's only gonna get worse.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Turns out he was absolutely correct.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
So he comes up with this idea that is like
he's like, Okay, I'm gonna suggest a Jewish state in
the current state of Nation of Palestine. Y'all think I'm
crazy right now, But in about fifty years you gonna
see this was eighteen ninety seven. Guess what happened in
fifty years nineteen forty eight shoots Israel.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Bekay, days, ain't that crisy?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
So now Zionism, you want to be able to distinguish
it between two different types of Zionism, right, And this
is where I would critique making the concept the bad guy,
because there's two types here.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Okay, there's the.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Zionism that comes out of a longing for a home
that's where us and erastas actually share a place where
we can be fully accepted, fully ourselves, and fully safe,
because again, we're not wanted anywhere we are, right So, there's.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
A longing for a home that you've been ripped away from.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Right now, when they say ripped away from, like we're
talking guess what I'm talking about King of Babylon. We're
talking about the nations being scattered like five eighty BC
when the Ark of the Covenant went missing, and this beautiful,
amazing Kingdom of Israel that used to exist in modern
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day Palestine Israel, in that region that was called Judea
at that time where they existed.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
And then.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
If you know your history, I've said this so many
times in the usn't outside episodes, that little strip of
land has been conquered and colonial and ran by every
possible kingdom, every possible empire in the modern world, finally
by Britain. And then but as that was happening, the
people who were ethnically Israeli as we mean the in
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the ancient sense, were scattered all over the world.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
So that's why you could be white.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
As hale in Jewish and you could be black as
hale in Jewish because they were scattered, right. And then
of course now you're not going to marry people while
you're there. But somehow or another they've been able to
keep on to their traditions and their religions because they
were also it's one of those things which you're ethnically
and religiously and your identity so anyway, scattered all over
the world. But as as we know, there's plenty of
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people that didn't lead. Again, I'm giving you you wasn't
outside history, which you understand, so there's this longing of
being like, man, this we used to have a place
to be in the world, and you feel like you're
looking around everybody else got a place to be in
the world. This is born from despair, and rightfully so.
But then there's this other type of Zionism that is
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more like this idea of reclaiming and enthusiasm about our
heritage and our culture, like we need we need to
be like the same way I would be like loud
and black, like we need to be black as hell
out here, Like we need to reclaim take up space
and be ourselves rather than like shrinking ourselves, Like I
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want to reclaim all that it is for us to
be us now as a minority. That shouldn't be hard
for you to understand. I mean, that's us sitting here
in America. And then you got the Republicans being like, well,
you're American first, and I'm like, nah, nigga, I'm black.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
I got my red, black and green on the wall.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
You know, it's the Latinos flying their Mexican flags and like, nah,
we who we are?
Speaker 1 (49:43):
You feel me?
Speaker 2 (49:44):
And you're like, when you're an American, you know it's you're
a Nosavo kid. You know, when you finally discover the
concept of Azlin, you want to know a little about
your own heritage. Yeah, you're American, you know what I mean,
from East Lost. But you want to reclaim your history,
your heritage, your language.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
You want to learn Aztec dances.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
It's like, so there's that version also, So in that sense,
it'd be weird to you when you like, you're like yo,
like Yo, we're Jews. You're like, oooh, I'm German. It's
like nigga, you French like word. These people don't love you,
like why you identify as that? You know, so there's
you see that as a lens of Zionism. You so
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those so you have these ideas happening at all around
the same sort of time and idea with the same
term zion. So it could be seeing as somebody that's
like yo, like I want to learn our ancient language,
I want to learn our practices, I want to do
the shabbat.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
I want to like I want to bring back.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
It became this umbrella term for just what it meant
to like reclaim your culture, reclaim your identity, reclaim the
fullness of what y'all are and then there's the geopolitical idea. Now,
this geopolitical idea borrowed from all of these particular concepts.
And if you read the writings of Theodore Herzel and
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a lot of the people involved in this, they were
all bride eyed about the idea that like, oh, this
is going to be a colonial takeover of Palestine. You
have to remove the indigenous population for this to happen,
because there's no way they're going to give it to me.
And there were certain ways they tried to do it.
They tried to do it peacefully. One way they said
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was well, first of all, let's go talk to Britain,
because remember the British Empire actually drew the partition. The
British Empire is the one that drew the line between
Israel and Palestine, because remember it used to belong to them.
Another idea that the Zionist had was, yo, let's go
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talk to the Turkish empire, right, because remember the Ottomans
were there before the British. And they was like, okay,
so if you let us be a government, how about
we pay all the debts? What if we pay off debts?
Speaker 1 (52:00):
They were trying. Matter of fact, Israel the location.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Wasn't even their first choice because they was like this
a little too complicated. They thought about going to Africa,
They looked at a couple different places as to where
to land. This geopolitical idea of Zionism.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
I'm telling this out of order. Let me back up.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
So the idea that like, it's just a myth that
the Zionists were not aware of the Palestinian Arab population.
They were well aware of it. But the question is
what to do with that information? Because yeah, as Jewish
as as Hurtzel was, he's also a European, so that
like he saw the Arabs as barbaric like that they were.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
I mean, it's just there's no other way around it.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
They were well aware that you are going to have
to displace people to build a nation like this, So
that was not they knew. Right now, again, I'm talking
about the geopolitical idea of Zionists. But their idea was like,
surely y'all can see that, like.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
We're not a big empire. We're not.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
We're like, we're just we're just looking for a place
to be, you know, and since we're from here anyway,
it should this shouldn't be a problem. So yeah, so,
like I said, Hertzel went to the British, he went
to the Ottoman Empire, and he asked them, like, yo,
can we just go settle Keep in mind is like
European Jews had been moving to tel Aviv for a while.
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You know, they actually formed the city of tel Aviv, right,
those were Jewish settlers from Israel. That's formed the city
of tel Aviv this well before Israel became a state, right, so.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
They had already been moving.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Now they were just like, we just need legitimacy, So
how about we buy it from the Ottomans?
Speaker 1 (53:41):
And you know, the emperor of.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
The Ottoman Empire was like, bro, I can't sell you
land like it belongs to the people and they fought
to conquer this place. I'm not finish, just just sell
it to you. And not only did he not sell
it to him, he started building policy to make sure
that they can't just be immigrating and just buying up
Palestinian land.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
He was like, I'm not really I'm not really.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Here for this, and like why would I welcome like
a large religious minority into my empire?
Speaker 1 (54:13):
You might take it over.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
So, like I said, he was like, I can't look
they're not just letting us come now, they're restricting our thing,
our movement. He even, like I said, he went back
to the British Empire, asked for a spot in East Africa,
like can we just and the Jews back home? It
was like, nigga, we're going back to Zion. The hell
you talk about East Africa for He's perzels like bro,
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I'm trying right. So eventually they found the city of
Tel Aviv. They create their own like anybody else, Like
you created Chinatown. You created like you create your own community.
Then newm niggas got organized. Now the timeline I'm telling
you this, Like I said, Remember he had this first
idea eighteen ninety seven. So this is all during the
times between like World War One World War Two. Remember
Britain didn't take over until nineteen seventeen, because that's why
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he was building with the Ottoman Empire. Dudes once and
then once they was gone once British, Once Britain take
took over nineteen seventeen, we're about we're seeing the end
of World War One, right, You're thinking maybe this was
a new world.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
And then all hell.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Broke loose with the Nazi Empire and at that point,
once the Nazis things started happening, it was like, oh, nigga,
we gotta go like this. We can't be playing games.
Were trying to play nice like like that. The Nazi
thing kicked this mug in a high gear. So now
by nineteen forty seven, it's like now it's like the
Jews are like a third of the population in Palestine
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at the time, right, So so now it's getting a
little itchy, you know what I'm saying, Like, now y'all,
just y'all, just over here, And if you're an Arab nation,
you like, okay, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait okay. Why we
got to lose our home because of stuff Europe did?
Why are we paying the price? Like I feel you,
you know what I'm saying, Like that's terrible what you're
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going through, But like why you gotta come, Why you.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Gotta take our house?
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Why y'all gotta be like what's going on right now?
But anyway, since nobody's handing it to them, now we
got numbers, since nobody's just gonna let us be here,
the only way to do this is by force. So
them dudes made a military. Now it's time to scrap
for it. But as you know, this is still a
British outpost. Finally, Britain's like, okay, listen, I'm done with
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all this. When were we gonna do? Y'all get that part,
y'all get that part. They created the partition, but they said,
now y'all figure out what is what and.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Who run this and all that, like I'm done.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
And there at that moment the birth of the nation
of Israel, the lines created by Britain after they left
in Palestine looking around here going man.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
What what just happened? Right now?
Speaker 2 (56:52):
And then, like I said in other you wasn't outside episodes,
the rest of the Arab nations was like, oh hell no,
like if they were the war immediately everybody jumped them.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Egret, everybody jump it was like.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
And then and look Israel one like like they just.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
What did y'all do? Like who are you? Why are
you get to be a nation?
Speaker 2 (57:15):
But that's what happened, and we still scrapping over it.
Nation states again have more to do with the recognition
of other nations and who gets to decide who gets
what power and all this good stuff. I like we
said borders are made up, they're drawn by conquerors. It's
not don't let that fool you. The concept that has
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people out in the streets is the type of Zionism
that has to do with the displacement of an indigenous
population by force because you believe God wanted you here.
(57:57):
That's one way to look at it. And that, my friend,
it's just run of the mill imperialism. It's basic. Then
there's the Zionism that says, like I said, I am
preserving my culture. And then there's the Zionism that says,
I am longing for a place for us to belong,
(58:19):
a Zionism that is much more an idea of a
promised land rather than the hostile takeover of a place
where people already exist. Spiritual, religious, political, all of that
in this one turn. So I am not going to
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tell you what to think of when you say Zionists,
just like I don't know what to tell you what
you think of when you say Christian But I tell
you what it ain't what the rastas mean.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
And I tell you what if.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
You're sitting in Palestine right now, do it even matter
hood politics?
Speaker 1 (59:13):
All right?
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Now? Don't you hit stop on this pod. You better
listen to these credits. I need you to finish this
thing so I can get.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
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Speaker 2 (59:25):
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We'll see y'all next week.
Media. Words are funny.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
That's how I'm opening this because look, there's sounds that
we just decided meant stuff to the point of where
sounds can make you take somebody life. And sometimes the
same sound can mean different things depending on their spelling
(00:31):
their context. Give an example, when Black people say barbecue,
we could be talking about three different things. We could
be talking about the food Barbecue. We could be talking
about as in like the style of cooking barbecue, the food.
We could be talking about the actual act of cooking
that food. To barbecue. We could be talking about an event.
(00:54):
We are going to the barbecue. You not invited to
the barbecue. The what the East call the cookout, we
call the barbecue out here out west.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's the same with the Latinos, like with Mexicans. They
say the Canada, they mean one of three things.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
They mean the act of grilling. We are going to
have it.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Cadogna saida that is we're gonna have barbecue, We're gonna grill,
and we are going to eat Cardiaa like they just
it's the name of the food, it's the act of grilling,
and it's the event.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So that's the Mexican version of saying.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
When we be like, oh, you ain't invited to the barbecue,
they say you're not invited to the cardie asada, Like
that's what they mean.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The word is the same.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It means three different things depending on the context and
when it's coming out their mouth.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
You could figure out what's happening. Now.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I say all that to get very serious on to
talk about the words zion. Oh, it's about to get
I felt like I heard the record scratch right now,
because if you've listened to reggae music, if you've heard
anything made by Bob Marley, you don't heard the word
zion many times.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
You're a fan of Lauren Hill. What's the name of
her child? Zion? Now that Joe and mild in Zion.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Black people love Zion, Moltzion a boy on the side
of Babylon trying to front like you down with mozoyon
ou la la la is the way that we rock
with we doing out think.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
The black hotep Rosta, you know, chow stick. We'd love Zion.
We're chanting down Babylon. Babylon is will be defeated by
Mount Zion. Is that the same Zion in Israel and Palestine.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
What y'all mean by that? Then?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
What the hell is a Zionist? So is that somebody
that believe in Mount Zion?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Like? What? How? What is Zionism?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And I'm sure if you listen to this show data ops, right,
you you convince Zion like those are the ops.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
So I don't know if the thought has ever crossed
your mind to be like, well, is is the.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Zionism that y'all talking about the same Zion? And Zion
is that the rosters.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Are talking about?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
What?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
What?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Maybe it's never crossed your mind, but it's the word
needs to be dissected. So I am using this moment
to teach you two things. What do the rosters mean
when they say Zion? And what is Zionism and its history?
All right to a politics? Okay, listen first before I
(03:50):
get into it. This week is like this.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
What look is like this? What look is like this?
It's like this sun? It's like that sun, like I'm pumping.
Let me take the news serious, all right? This week
it's like this.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, the Olympics ended, and I'm only excited about breaking.
I'm sad that it's not gonna be in twenty twenty
eight and it's not because of ray Gun. They decided
before her that they weren't gonna do it in LA,
which sucks. I don't know why they decided that, but
they decided that way back in twenty twenty. Having said that,
(04:32):
speaking of ray Gun, I know she's taken over to memes.
I feel bad for these amazing b boys and be girls,
specifically Logistics. Sorry, that's a text, specifically Logistics. I not
murdered them, fools. And while she was in the middle
of slaying, absolutely slaying ray Gun, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Have you ever been in a battle? Okay, Now, I'm
from LA.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So that double time kind of what you think is
bone thugs and harmony chopping stuff that originates at a
place called the Good Life Project blowed this group called
Freestyle Fellowship, and that is a sound that just kind
of came from the LA underground.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
My figured rymee look at a time like, I don't
rap like that.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
So if you're at a spot and you're battling somebody
and they killing it on the double time, it's killing
the crowd you have. You I can't compete with that.
You gotta go all the way the other way. You
gotta get real creative and try to do something else.
So for me it becomes I'm gonna try to do
the contrast and do sort of a slow flow with
a gang of wordplay and get really creative with a pattern.
(05:38):
My time rhymes to find the mind saturn roller skate
rhymes to find a kind kattern, pump a bone battern
for the bold flatter, you will flatter you know what
I'm saying. I'll make you scatter like just something else.
You gotta take a.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Chance, and sometimes it lands, sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, you get creative, you take a shot like take
old dirty bastard, he don't rap like the rest of
wu tag. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And I
picked up when she was throwing down. She was trying
to rep the ausie land, do animal style kangaroo hops
(06:18):
to rep her soil and be creative.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Now I don't know nothing about her husband being in
charge of no thing and all that good stuff that
they were saying. All I know is you have to
battle a lot of people to get to the top,
and battling is very subjective, and sometimes creativity and style
points count. But when your creativity just swinging a miss.
(06:46):
She clearly don't have no power moves. She was battling
logistics who got style, finess, flavored dance, intangibles and power moves.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
What are you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I saw a headspinning there, but she clearly don't have
no power move. So she's trying to fight back with style.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Just didn't work.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
So I'm saying this as somebody who has been in
a battle, and sometimes you lose your train of thought
and the words sound like gibberish.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
She too, She took a creative chance and it was
a swing and a miss.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Sometimes it happens on a serious note. Okay, receipts are
being pulled on walls and on JD and everybody involved,
and we're trying to figure it out. The Democrats are
doing their best to make Project twenty twenty five Trump's thing,
which it is not. It is somebody trying to tie
it to Trump. I can't believe I'm saying this in
(07:38):
his defense. That is a lot of overlap, but that's
their own thing now Trump, it's all caps saying Trump
he don't know who the people are because he know
who they are and he know what they want.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So that's cap.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But it's in his defense, is not his now? Secondly,
in JD Vance's defense. I know, I know what it
sounds like, but I'm gonna say it. He being dragged
over this app harvest startup. So that was a company
that was an agricultural company that was supposed to be
an Appalachia and was going to give hundreds and hundreds
(08:10):
of jobs to the area. Everybody got excited. It was like, dope, man,
he one of us, or at least you told us
he one of us. It's going to be a fresh job.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Again, he was an investor and he was just on
the board. Now, I have sat on a couple boards.
And just because you're on the board don't mean you
in charge of operation now. And just because you're an
investor don't mean you in charge of the money now.
You got a lot to say, obviously, but you can't
necessarily be blamed for everything to go bad, and you
(08:40):
can't necessarily take the praise for everything that go good. Now,
not only did this business fail. Before it failed, they
was talking about it was one hundred and twenty degrees
inside that building because it's a greenhouse. The conditions were terrible.
And while everybody was like, man, I can't work in here.
They brought in not a couple migrant workers, not even
(09:00):
Mike undocumented, five hundred of them, five hundred undocumented workers,
which in any other scenario, all right, what do I care?
The reason why any of us care is because you
supposed to be Captain Appalachia.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
You called yourself that.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
If you didn't call yourself Captain Appalachia, it would have
just been a failed thing. But you set yourself up
as Robin Hood of the Woods. So since you did that, you,
I mean, what you're gonna say, Homeie, I saw your
watch you confront like you one of us. But that
ain't really hurting nobody. Now you're hurting us saying you
one of us. So he's gonna have to answer to that.
(09:37):
And his answer was, yeah, sucked. I invested and I
was on the board, but I mean I wasn't in charge.
And in his defense, he's.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Right now if it is wallskutog.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Y'all still calling that man tampon ten as if you ain't.
All you got to do, beloved is read it. You
can read the law. It is all over Beyonce's Internet.
I'm a reader for you. You Article one General Education,
Section one one dot two twelve Access to menstrual products.
(10:08):
A school district charter must provide students with access to
menstrual products at no charge. The products must be available
to all menstruating students in restrooms regularly used by students
in grades four through twelve, according to the plan developed
by the school district for purposes of this section. Menstrual
products means pads, tampons, or other similar products used in
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connection to menstrual cycle.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's it. That's what the law say.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Not the whole reputting tampos and boys bathrooms. I mean, okay,
I just read you the law. That's what the law say.
So just you know, cap down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
The DNC has started. We looking for you to put
some words to your excitement.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Anti.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
We looking for Joe to like, you know, go out
in a blaze of glory and uh, it's all week
this week now. Now, I did get to watch a
lot of Mondays, not enough to do a full recap.
But the thing that's most interesting right now is the
comparison to the nineteen sixty eight one, which was there's
(11:12):
a lot of similarities. There was a huge protest that
happened in sixty eight against the Vietnam War, and right
now there's a huge protest going on against the war
in Gaza. The difference in nineteen sixty eight and now
is the cops beat the breaks off them protesters on
TV like we all saw it this time. See Robert
and Sophie and Garre are out there and they pretty
(11:34):
much kind of behaved.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It's pretty chill.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Now we'll see, But right now it's being pretty chill,
relatively speaking. And what's different this time is Joe went
off script. Joe said, you know what, them protesters out there,
they got a point.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Innocent people being killed on both sides.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Now, now, Sophie says she got a view of the
teleprompter that wasn't on the script. Now, of course we're
we're all grabbing for scraps, But good for him, that's
a good scrap to grab. I'm so glad you acknowledged it,
rather than acting like it's just a party on the inside.
The campaigns of Harris and of Trump have been hacked
by Iran, according to the US Intelligence It's not like
(12:17):
this wasn't expected. Country's been tapping into our elections as
a sport. They've been doing this for a long time.
Iran is not happy. Iran is like, you not only
did you kill Cosum Soulamani, you just popped another We
believe you just popped another person on our soil recently.
Because you gotta remember, like Israel and America are interchangeable.
(12:38):
To them, they don't ain't no difference share. That means
that y'all need to double check all sources. That mean
you need to question everything coming at you and keep
your antennas high.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Another interesting difference is is that the news didn't report it.
They didn't report the stuff that was in the league.
You know. Man, in twenty sixteen, this was like catnip
all the leaks, you know, butter emails. It's almost like
we learned a lesson, like you know, and there's a
few ways to look at it, right. It's like, hey,
(13:12):
like if it's something in there that's like really like
American people need to know. It's like, what's your duty
as the media to be like, Okay, I know how
we got it, but like it's kind of too real
to talk about it, to not talk about it. On
the other hand, it's like, you know when people make
fun of your little brother, and they be right about him,
(13:33):
but you can't make fun of him. I don't want
to hear from you, like you can't say nothing about
my little brother, your mom being like you telling on
your little brother, your mom like why you snitching. I
don't want to hear from you, just because like, no,
you don't get to talk about it. So the news
was like, I mean thank you because they sent they
(13:54):
sent the content of the hacks to pro Publica. They
was like, yo, you can have it pro Publica. It
was like, okay, cool, thank you, but like I don't
need to get this from you, I mean respect. And
finally there's another rumor of a ceasefire deal, and I
say rumor because that's exactly what it sounds like because
Anthony blinking like, yo, it's good. We just waiting on
her mask. Benjamin then y'all who said, like, I ain't
(14:17):
agree to nothing. I don't know what you're talking about.
They still haven't met our turns. And in the middle
of that, we just still sent twenty million dollars to
them people.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So let's be real.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Can't nobody really tell another country what to do? You
can't really, there's no way an American president can stop
a country from going to war to another country, but
what they can do is not pay for it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Anyway, Let's get to what Zion is like this all
(15:01):
right now, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Now listen, I am going to do both these things
an incredible injustice because both of these topics will take
a lifetime to understand, and both of these topics could
have many different interpretations depending on your understanding of history, politics, religion.
(15:27):
Remember when I wanted to talk to y'all about the
who thy's husbelah all of these different topics where I'm like,
when you get into a religion, just like listen, listen
when I say Christian, it's the same concept when I
say Christian. We talk about my Zion all the time.
Matter of fact, if you black, you probably went to
Mount zion A and me new get Semity Church of
(15:49):
God at Christ Now I made that up right now,
There's probably is a new guest, there's probably a Mount
zion A and me I.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Know there is is one in South Central.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
What I'm trying to say is we use these terms
all the time because they end. But when I say Christian,
that's what I mean. Now when you say Christian. You
may think Holy Roller Pentecosta, you may think Trump, you
may think you may think Catholic, you may think there's
so many other things you might think that are all
these different? So you asked, you ask ten different Christians
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what does it mean to be Christian?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You're gonna get ten different answers most likely.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Remember we did the Terrorform episode with the hummy Kevin Garcia,
and I tried to break down in the beginning. It
was tough, but I tried to give y'all a cursory
understanding of like Western Church history. You see how I
had to give that caveat that I'm talking about Western Church, like,
we ain't talking Coptic, we not talking Greek Orthodox, were
(16:42):
not talking Russian Jesuit Like.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
There's this You could really get lost in the week.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
So please give me that grace that what I am
about to talk to you about is grossly trunk caded, Okay,
but it's just to help y'all understand so that as
you have your picket signs out that at least you
don't sound like a herd. So first let me teach
y'all what a rastadm, what arastadim mean when they say,
(17:13):
mont Zion and I'm sorry about my patois rastadim. Okay, first,
let me step back and say what I'm What is Rastafarianism? Now,
(17:36):
I would say, like globally, it's probably one of the
youngest world religions, getting its roots by name in the
nineteen thirties, deriving from the Ethiopian emperor Hali Selassii. Okay, Now,
as I say this again, like a rasta, a Rastafari, like,
this is not a compartmentalized philosophy, your religion. This is
(18:00):
a way of life, right, a liberty. You know, this
is our culture, our heritage, our history, right and our
way of being, which some could argue is well, that's
the definition of a religion. A religion, a way of
being right, your liturgy. Anyway, there is an encompassing around this.
(18:21):
Now it is impossible to separate Rasta from the africanness
of it.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
So the belief is this, when you listen to roots reggae,
when you listen to you know, Bob Marley and them, like,
there's so much to cover, dance hall, like that's the
club music, roots reggae, like you think of this as
like worship, like this is praise and worship. There is
a tie going back to the Queen of Sheba and
(18:53):
King Solomon. Now I'm getting into my Old Testament. This
is why there's so much Judaism and christian tied to it,
because there is a belief that it's and it's and
rightfully so, because if you believe the Bible, it's in
the scriptures. Is that the Queen of Sheba, which was
it's believed to be an ancient queen from the region
(19:16):
of Ethiopia. Now obviously Ethiopia is a nation state, but
Ethiopia as as a continual connection of tribes a Romo
Tigre like just the different tribes that are there.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
They have. Ethiopia and Thailand shares the legacy of being
the only two countries that were never colonized or conquered.
Is not Israel.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Italy almost did right, the British almost did, but they
were never able to actually colonize Ethiopia.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And Ethiopia takes a lot of.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Pride in this, so a lot of their lineage and
heritage because their history wasn't cut off or attempted to
be raised.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
You can know a lot about them.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Ethiopia in the scriptures in the Bible is called the
land of cush Also, right, it's believed that Moses's wife,
Zipporah was from Ethiopia when Moses. This is all Old
Testament stuff, but it's all makes sense. It all makes
sense as to why the connection is so important to him.
(20:22):
Moses before the whole let my people go, before the
Ten Commandments type joint. Moses supposedly, according to the story,
saw a one of Pharaoh's guards abusing one of the
Jewish slaves, and he hopped up and killed the guy,
and then he had to run. And so then when
(20:43):
he ran, he ran to the to Midian and he
married Jethrow's daughter. And it was believed that that area
was Ethiopia. Okay, so like that at least the region
that we now call Ethiopia. So there's this belief that
Moses's first wife. You fast forward to Solomon King David,
(21:05):
King David's son, right, the writer of Psalms, and it's
believed that, according to the passages, that he had never
seen anybody more beautiful or a kingdom more amazing than
the kingdom that the Queen of Shiba came from. Now
you fast forward to Emperor SALASSII and Emperor SALASSII, a
(21:27):
Romo Ethiopian man who became the emperor of what we
know to be Ethiopia, right geopolitically, but it's a belief
that his bloodline can be traced back to King Solomon. Right,
the emperor blood line of Ethiopia could be traced back
(21:48):
to King Solomon's.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's the roster belief.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Again, as many rosters, you might get many answers, but overall,
this is the belief right now.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Set that aside. Okay, Another connection is in.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I know there's a lot of Bible stuff, but you
got to follow me because we are talking about Jews
and Rastas, so of course we're going to talk about
the Bible right now. The Book of Acts in the
Bible has this story of this one of the apostles
named Philip, and Philip runs into an Ethiopian eunuch who,
(22:23):
according to the Bible, was reading the Book of Isaiah.
And Philip sees him on the road and he's like,
you know what you're reading? And the dudes like, how
can I know? If nobody teaches him? So he sits
down with him, and he, according to the scripture, according
to the Bible, explains Isaiah, the prophecies, the Messiah, the
(22:45):
death barely on resurrection of Jesus, and how that stuff
was prophesied in the Book of Isaiah. So he ties
other things and then it says that this Ethiopian eunuch
got baptized right then. Now it is then believed that
he brought Christianity as we know it. Their belief is
like we we saw it right there, but prov I
thought Rostel was Jamaican, I'll get to it. So so
(23:07):
that's that's tie number three right now. The fourth tie,
which is one of the most compelling things to me
between the Jews, Zion and Ethiopia is the city of Axom.
So the city of Axom is in the northern part
of Ethiopia and is known to be and it's truthfully
(23:30):
the oldest, the first and oldest Christian city because contrary
to what yell, little white pastor will teach you, the
faith went to Africa before it went to Europe. Okay, hell,
it went to Mongolia before it went to Europe. The
point is the white man ain't teach us who Jesus was.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It is also believed that the arc of the Covenant
from the Old Testament isn't axiom. There are ruins at
different church that have good archaeological evidence to believe that
they set up the tent with the dimensions that Exodus
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and Deuteronomy and them, and then all Testament scriptures have
taught them to do this. There are if you go
to Israel now black Ethiopian Jewish people. As a matter
of fact, they to be able to now get into
the modern politics, to be able to repatronize, to be
able to come back to Israel as a Jew, you'd
have to prove by your DNA that you have Jewish heritage,
(24:35):
you are in fact an ethnic Jew. And the Ethiopians
there's a sect of Ethiopia that not only can prove it,
but are some argue, the closest like DNA related to
what might be the ancient Israeli Right, they're the like
that some would argue that as far as the diaspora,
(24:55):
not as far as like people ain't never let I'm
talking abouts far as the diaspora, right, so they it
can truly say. And there's a lot of traditions that
in certain parts of Ethiopia that they continued far longer
and are actually far more closely related to the ancient practices,
then what modern Israel looks like. This is just it's
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just history now because anti blackness is universal.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
When they got to.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Israel, the modern Israel, a lot of Ethiopian women were sterilized.
And if you walk around Jerusalem, just like everywhere else,
the people doing all of the all of the dirty work,
all of the bront work, all of the jobs, nobody
won't are the black. Unfortunately, that being said, the tie
between Ethiopia, the ancient religion of Judaism, and the ancient
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people of Israel, one because of the region, one because
of folklore, and one because of DNA has Ethiopia is
the verifiably connected to whatever the ancient Jerusalem was. Okay,
you fast forward to Holly SELASSII in the nineteen thirties,
who they believe according to a Rasta him Is, I
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want to say two hundred and twenty fifth, my I
think that's what my cousin told me two hundred and
twenty fifth. Don't quote me on this, I'm just quoting
my cousin of the Solomonic dynasty. So they believe that
like the actual king, like a descendant of King David right,
a son of David kind of like who Jesus was
a descendant of David, right, was also Selassia ya ya
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ya aa you following me?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Now, the word Arastafarii comes from Halli Selassi, which is
ras Tafarai. Right, It's it was his name, right. So
he was one of the only independent black leaders in
Africa at the time. Right, So he bears this cultural, political, historic,
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and symbolic importance to just the African diaspora. Now, once
you get into the practices of Rastafarianism, like again like
the rastadim, the way of life, like the diet, you know,
avoiding shellfish, eating seafood, like it's pretty similar to like
kosher practices again because they have this tie to the.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Land, the history.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
So there's there's a lot of practices that are like
that are that they they they have a lot of
practices about being welcoming to the sojourner, about the way
that we collectively sing ja is a Jamaican version of
saying yah, which is short for yahweh.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
So when we say.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Jah rastafari, you know it's your ja is yah yahweh
or jahovah. Right.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
So these a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Of them are vegetarian. They don't eat meat at all.
Definitely not be for pork. Because you keep the temple clean, right,
you very rarely are gonna find and overweight rasta like
they're usually in incredibly good shape. The dreadlocks have to
do what what's called the valve the Nazarite because again
we're talking the Old Testament Samson in the Bible. You
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know Samson with his golden locks, you know the Samson
and Delilah. Like Samson that took what's called a Nazarite vow,
which was a vow to keep himself holy to the Lord.
And the symbol of that holiness to the Lord was
not crust cutting your hair. This is as a symbol
of our holiness.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
The vow of the Nazarite. You grow your dreadlocks. Right.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Dreadlocks was a term given to us by the British
that we just own Nazi dread so because our hair,
our locks were dreadful, so dreadlocks. There's also sex that
believe that like God grabs the dead souls by their
dreadlocks and bring them to brings them to Heaven. Again,
there's the symbols beautiful, but either way, it's a symbol
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of the promise your commitment to keeping yourself sanctified to
the Father, right is if you're being a traditional rostadem
Now their belief different than it's still again so follow me.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
This is still at Abrahamic faith.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
That's why you're gonna hear terms like mauzaion, right, which
I'm gonna get to specifically in a second. But their
belief different than Christianity, although similar in a lot of ways,
similar to Judaism in a lot of ways. Their belief
is that, like I said, Selassie was the Messiah. Right,
this is an Afrocentric belief. How did it get to
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Jamaica the trans Atlantic slave trade. So it gets to
Jamaica via the slave trade. We got carted off. Remember
this is an Afrocentric belief. And when Africans got brought
to Jamaica, they brought their beliefs.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Then it sinked.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
You know, had a lot of syncretism with a lot
of like the voodoo and tribal and Caribbean practices, you know,
a lot of the stuff that was happening in the Caribbean.
That because again this is East Africa, West Africa with
the Arishi and the you know, and a lot of
the West African beliefs are a little more animis.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
You know, and not so Abrahammick, if you will.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Right, all that to say, just like any other faith,
tradition or practice, when it travels, it takes on a
lot of the personalities, traditions, and practices of the people
that it traveled with and the location it lands. So
the music that you hear, because obviously if you hear
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music in Ethiopia, it don't sound like reggae because reggae
is Jamaican, right, So what you consider Rastafarian, you think Caribbean,
because that's I mean, I get it right. And Ethiopia
is Christian, right of course, there's obviously it's a modern country.
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There's millions of religions there, not millions, but you know
what I mean, there's a lot of different religions there,
but Ethiopia's Christian rasta that's birthed out of the diaspora
that has its.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Tie to Ethiopia.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Y'all following me, you have people like Marcus Garvey, right,
who we need to at some point do a whole
study on him in the Back to Africa movement. And
I don't have time to get into the depths of
Marcus Garvey. But but the point was, as far as
the Pan African experience, were those who the diaspora, we
who got separated from our land, whether it was your
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run of the mill black Baptist slave in Tuscaloosa, right
in Mobile, Alabama, backwoods of preacher and you know, making Georgia,
that we was on the plantations.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
If a Bible got into our.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Hands, it was so easy to see ourselves in the
children of Israel. Like it's not hard to see. If
you read the Book of Exodus, you like, damn, that's us.
It was too it was too the connection is too obvious.
We're like, oh my gosh, cart it off into slavery
from a distant land. Like and then there's a longing
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for a return to your promised land. The city and
the capital of my promised land is the city of Zion.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
You're following me.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
It would be the same in the Caribbean for the
rastadem But they looking back in Selassie, it is Rastafarianism
is by definition anti colonial, obviously, and they believe that
Africa is their not only their their literal ancestral homeland,
but it's their spiritual homeland and the country of Ethiopia
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gets a particular reverence because of the role it played
in the nineteenth century for the resistance of because of Selassie,
for the resistance of European imperialism. Everybody else fell, Ethiopia didn't.
So the gold, green, and red colors of the modern
Ethiopia flag are the traditional colors of the Rastafarian because
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it can in some ways get it roots, gets its
roots from there.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Okay, I know that was a long preamble, but you
gotta understand we're talking. So once you have this understanding
of your connection to Judaism practice anti colonial you know, dispersed,
taken away from your homeland and longing for a return
to your promised land, now we could talk about what
Zion is. Now, Rastafarian has two basic tent poles Zion Babylon.
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You hear that stuff in all the raget you listen to, right,
So these are the theological ideology ideological tent poles. The
dichotomy is tied again to the anti colonial origins because Babylon,
remember again in your Old Testament, is the symbol of
the evil powers, the evil empire, just like in the Bible,
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it's the the the the epitome.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
It is everything that's wrong in the world.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
It's the system is symbolized in king Nebukane, the the
and the kingdom of Babylon.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
And we long to see Babylon fall.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
We chant down bout this worldly system that enslaves and
and and attacks and and seeks to control not only
the outward person, but the inside of you what what
Christians would call your sin nature worldly Babylon. Right. So,
if you're following again the saga of the Old Testament
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Israel fleeing Egypt or getting away from Egypt, becoming free
and then being enslaved.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
By Babylon again, Babylon's the problem. Does that make sense? Now?
In the Bible, Zion is just.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Another name for Jerusalem, right, and it can refer to
the land of Israel fully. Now the Rastafarian Okay, this
is where our difference is repurpose the Biblical definition to
an Afrocentric direction. For the Rasta Zion is the continent
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of Africa, specifically Ethiopia. But the term represents not just
a physical place, because Ethiopia is just Ethiopia, but it's
an ideal. It's what we would call to become cross.
It's this is paradise. This is Thy Kingdom. Come Thy
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will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Zion,
Heaven and Earth meets. So it's not just it's it's
physical and so much more, which in a lot of
ways is the same for the jew But we'll get
to that. It is the destruction of a worldly system
and the raising of a selected godly kingdom where all
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of us. What we would talk about, the Christians would
talk about the Kingdom of God is righteousness, peace, enjoying
the Holy goth is to be a part of the kingdom.
So it's a both place and it's an idea to
strive for. Right where the Rasta's they would equate with
preserving and glorifying Black African culture, right the Iron Lion
of Zion, you know, Bob Marley's you know some but
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for more information, like Rastafari is kind of like like
how we have denominations. There's a divide it into mansions,
and they got it from like the Gospel of John
when Jesus says, in my father's house there are many mansions.
Right again, I'm telling you it's an Abrahamic faith. A
lot of people don't think it's just a. It's a
black you know, anti colonial African outpour of it. Right,
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so you have like the Bobo, the Ashanti, the twelve tribes.
That's that's a denomination, if you will, they would call
it the twelve tribes of Israel. N I never pronounced it, right,
But the Naya be the Naya be BINGI like, I
never pronounce it right. But there are a certain type
now some again, there are some look more traditional than others,
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and then a lot of people just follow like an
individual like rasta way of viewing it. But at the
end of the day, Ethiopia is, for lack of better term,
the new Jerusalem. This is zion when we're talking about Rastad. Okay,
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now what the Zionists believe? Next? All right, we're back
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now Zionism the name the overall name for right now.
You know, if you're pro Palestine, that's the.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Name of the bad guys. They're Zionists.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
And people have tried to separate the idea of anti
Semitism from Zionists being anti Zionists, that these are different things.
Now that would mean that you'd have to understand all
those things and their history from them. Now I'm trying
to handle this like with as much respect as I can,
because I'm talking about a culture that's not mine, right,
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So please grant me that grace that there's I'm probably
gonna overlook. Like I said in the beginning, I'm probably
gonna overlook some stuff that I'm not trying to overlook.
I'm trying to give as best as I can and
understanding right of these different things anti am I that's
I mean, those are the Nazis. You just don't believe that.
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It's a type of thing. It's a type of overall
term for the concept of the convolution of idea, this
weird idea that all that is wrong. Like it's almost
like you've made the Jew Babylon, you know what I'm saying,
Like we just talked about like you, they are everything
that's wrong. They are both. They are both the killers
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of Jesus. They are the vermin that I'm trying to
describe anti Semitism, the the the religion and the ethnicity
that somehow or another is poor and subhuman but also
quietly controls all of the inner workings of money and
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power in the world. And your only solution is to
wipe them out. That would be anti Semitic. That's the
idea of that that comes from this thing called the
Protocols of Zion, which again the word Zion I'm gonna
talk about, which is something that we've talked about on
the Behind the Bastards episodes of the Protocols design.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Now that's anti Semitic.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Now once we get into now if you remember the
one of the You Wasn't Outside episodes when we pulled
the clip of a rabbi explaining the idea of what
makes a Jew a Jew according to the faith is
they're covenant with Yahweh. That it's not necessarily a location.
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As a matter of fact, to see it as a
location is to minimize it. Where he was like the
Promised Land that our claim is because we are in
covenant with Yahweh and that can happen anywhere.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
The location don't matter. So to say that the capital
has to be.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
In Jerusalem or has to be in Tel Aviv because
that's God's will is He's like, no, you're missing the point,
Like who cares where a modern nation state plants? Like
that's a secular system that is like the rastadem would
say that is Babylon. To worry about what other nations
say I am a part of the kingdom, and the
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kingdom exists because I am in covenant with yaw. We
are a covenant people. That's what makes that's what gives
us our Jewishness is our covenant with y'owe.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Who cares what the borders are.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
That would be a specific type of Judaism, right, A
religious type of Judaism. Now, an ethnic Judaism something different.
A political Judaism is something different. And that's what we're
going to talk about right now. Zionism as we're talking
about not the Rastadim, but Zionism. You could say, I'd say,
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go back to August twenty ninth, eighteen ninety seven. It
was a meeting on the Rhine River in this small
city like in Switzerland.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Called Basil, right, um Basil.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Now, this meeting had people from all over the world,
and it was to discuss this concept of Zionism. Now,
like I said in the Biot, like I said, zion
is just a biblical term for Jerusalem. Right, So they
choose that term because if you're paying attention to Europe Pagras,
it ain't a good place for Jews. It's been all
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bad for them for a while. And this discussion was
to say we have to have a place cause it
seemed like no matter where we go, we not want it.
Now they pull in all the way back Damaal freaking
Canaan to Egypt. They are talking about their deep history
and they're like, like, no matter where we go, we
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not want it. So we need to find a place
where we could just be ourselves. And they thought, what
better place than our ancestral homeland. Now, if you're looking
around this room, you would think the same thing. I
would think, y'all white as hell, Like you're you're European.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I don't understand the same.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Way that you would probably look at that Ethiopian and go,
but you're African.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
But follow me now.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
So people in during the time, from like Munich, from Germany,
from Poland, from Switzerland, they're like, what is you talking about?
Like I'm just as German as everybody they German. They're like,
we speak German, like this is just our religious Like
I ain't never seen I never been to Israel, never
seen Israel.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Israel's not a thing at the time.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
That place is Palestine, you know, like it's not a
that's not a that's it would be the same as
me saying I need to go back to Nubia, but
like Nubia's gone, you know black people like again a
Marcus Garvey thing, but that was closer today time, like
you need to go back to there's no place here
wanted for you. I'm like, well, that's not I don't
I don't even know the language they speak at Tobo.
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I'm guessing that because I took an African ancestry and
they were saying I'm my father side that maybe.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I'm like, what do I know about? I don't even
think about that.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
So the Jews at the time were like, what, I
don't this what did you talking about? Like it would
be the equivalent to a back to Africa movement to
where it's like, I mean, it sounds cool, but like
I mean it's already people there, and I mean it's
been hundreds of year, like I'm German, like we're German.
A lot of the rabbis were like, look, first of all,
this is blasphemous. Were not supposed to return until the
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Messiah come, Like that's what the prophecies that, and he
gonna bring us back.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
I don't know about what the hell you doing? Right?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
And then the others, like the more modern ones, were like, well,
we're not a nation like. That was actually the point,
Like don't you then you read yo yo taura, you
don't need a king. I'm your king. You're not a
nation like That's the point. The point is you're supposed
to be different. I'm your king. You're a part of
a kingdom of God, the kingdom of Heaven, and I'll
bring you back when it's time, when the Messiah come.
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So like whatever y'all doing, that's not even now I'm
saying that again, this is eighteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
That's that was the belief of them.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Now again those were some rabbi and not only that,
Like I said, they're like, well, I'm French, I do
what anyway, Enter this guy named Theodore Herzel right, who
was a journalist who covered this actually probably one of
the most radicalizing moments for anybody, for any Jew in Europe, right,
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and it was the case for this man named Alfred Dreyfus, right,
which basically became like the trial of the century. They
called it the Dreyfus affair, and the journalist who covered
it was Theodore Herzel. Basically, the Dreyfus was accused of
treason and found guilty and sentenced to like a work prism,
totally wrongfully convicted, completely.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Out of nowhere, y'all made all that up.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
But how that work was like because he was Jewish,
it became not just about him, but that you can't
trust the jew. And Theodore Hertzel's watching all this, and
he's watching the people get whipped up into a frenzy.
People that was just your neighbors. Like again, I'm just
as German as you, I'm just as European as you are. Like, fam,
I remember the feeling when Trump first started taking over
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the brains of the white Christian where I was like dog,
we was at cracker Barrel yesterday.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Like we used to what just what has bewitched you?
Like all of was you like this the whole time?
It was super confusing. It's like all of a sudden,
we're different, y'all. It's me like I've been meet this
whole time. So Theodore Hertzel was like, yo, okay, listen,
we clearly not wanted here and it's only gonna get worse.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Turns out he was absolutely correct.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
So he comes up with this idea that is like
he's like, Okay, I'm gonna suggest a Jewish state in
the current state of Nation of Palestine. Y'all think I'm
crazy right now, But in about fifty years you gonna
see this was eighteen ninety seven. Guess what happened in
fifty years nineteen forty eight shoots Israel.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Bekay, days, ain't that crisy?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
So now Zionism, you want to be able to distinguish
it between two different types of Zionism, right, And this
is where I would critique making the concept the bad guy,
because there's two types here.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Okay, there's the.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Zionism that comes out of a longing for a home
that's where us and erastas actually share a place where
we can be fully accepted, fully ourselves, and fully safe,
because again, we're not wanted anywhere we are, right So, there's.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
A longing for a home that you've been ripped away from.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Right now, when they say ripped away from, like we're
talking guess what I'm talking about King of Babylon. We're
talking about the nations being scattered like five eighty BC
when the Ark of the Covenant went missing, and this beautiful,
amazing Kingdom of Israel that used to exist in modern
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day Palestine Israel, in that region that was called Judea
at that time where they existed.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
And then.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
If you know your history, I've said this so many
times in the usn't outside episodes, that little strip of
land has been conquered and colonial and ran by every
possible kingdom, every possible empire in the modern world, finally
by Britain. And then but as that was happening, the
people who were ethnically Israeli as we mean the in
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the ancient sense, were scattered all over the world.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
So that's why you could be white.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
As hale in Jewish and you could be black as
hale in Jewish because they were scattered, right. And then
of course now you're not going to marry people while
you're there. But somehow or another they've been able to
keep on to their traditions and their religions because they
were also it's one of those things which you're ethnically
and religiously and your identity so anyway, scattered all over
the world. But as as we know, there's plenty of
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people that didn't lead. Again, I'm giving you you wasn't
outside history, which you understand, so there's this longing of
being like, man, this we used to have a place
to be in the world, and you feel like you're
looking around everybody else got a place to be in
the world. This is born from despair, and rightfully so.
But then there's this other type of Zionism that is
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more like this idea of reclaiming and enthusiasm about our
heritage and our culture, like we need we need to
be like the same way I would be like loud
and black, like we need to be black as hell
out here, Like we need to reclaim take up space
and be ourselves rather than like shrinking ourselves, Like I
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want to reclaim all that it is for us to
be us now as a minority. That shouldn't be hard
for you to understand. I mean, that's us sitting here
in America. And then you got the Republicans being like, well,
you're American first, and I'm like, nah, nigga, I'm black.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
I got my red, black and green on the wall.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
You know, it's the Latinos flying their Mexican flags and like, nah,
we who we are?
Speaker 1 (49:43):
You feel me?
Speaker 2 (49:44):
And you're like, when you're an American, you know it's you're
a Nosavo kid. You know, when you finally discover the
concept of Azlin, you want to know a little about
your own heritage. Yeah, you're American, you know what I mean,
from East Lost. But you want to reclaim your history,
your heritage, your language.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
You want to learn Aztec dances.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
It's like, so there's that version also, So in that sense,
it'd be weird to you when you like, you're like yo,
like Yo, we're Jews. You're like, oooh, I'm German. It's
like nigga, you French like word. These people don't love you,
like why you identify as that? You know, so there's
you see that as a lens of Zionism. You so
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those so you have these ideas happening at all around
the same sort of time and idea with the same
term zion. So it could be seeing as somebody that's
like yo, like I want to learn our ancient language,
I want to learn our practices, I want to do
the shabbat.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
I want to like I want to bring back.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
It became this umbrella term for just what it meant
to like reclaim your culture, reclaim your identity, reclaim the
fullness of what y'all are and then there's the geopolitical idea. Now,
this geopolitical idea borrowed from all of these particular concepts.
And if you read the writings of Theodore Herzel and
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a lot of the people involved in this, they were
all bride eyed about the idea that like, oh, this
is going to be a colonial takeover of Palestine. You
have to remove the indigenous population for this to happen,
because there's no way they're going to give it to me.
And there were certain ways they tried to do it.
They tried to do it peacefully. One way they said
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was well, first of all, let's go talk to Britain,
because remember the British Empire actually drew the partition. The
British Empire is the one that drew the line between
Israel and Palestine, because remember it used to belong to them.
Another idea that the Zionist had was, yo, let's go
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talk to the Turkish empire, right, because remember the Ottomans
were there before the British. And they was like, okay,
so if you let us be a government, how about
we pay all the debts? What if we pay off debts?
Speaker 1 (52:00):
They were trying. Matter of fact, Israel the location.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Wasn't even their first choice because they was like this
a little too complicated. They thought about going to Africa,
They looked at a couple different places as to where
to land. This geopolitical idea of Zionism.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
I'm telling this out of order. Let me back up.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
So the idea that like, it's just a myth that
the Zionists were not aware of the Palestinian Arab population.
They were well aware of it. But the question is
what to do with that information? Because yeah, as Jewish
as as Hurtzel was, he's also a European, so that
like he saw the Arabs as barbaric like that they were.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
I mean, it's just there's no other way around it.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
They were well aware that you are going to have
to displace people to build a nation like this, So
that was not they knew. Right now, again, I'm talking
about the geopolitical idea of Zionists. But their idea was like,
surely y'all can see that, like.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
We're not a big empire. We're not.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
We're like, we're just we're just looking for a place
to be, you know, and since we're from here anyway,
it should this shouldn't be a problem. So yeah, so,
like I said, Hertzel went to the British, he went
to the Ottoman Empire, and he asked them, like, yo,
can we just go settle Keep in mind is like
European Jews had been moving to tel Aviv for a while.
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You know, they actually formed the city of tel Aviv, right,
those were Jewish settlers from Israel. That's formed the city
of tel Aviv this well before Israel became a state, right, so.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
They had already been moving.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Now they were just like, we just need legitimacy, So
how about we buy it from the Ottomans?
Speaker 1 (53:41):
And you know, the emperor of.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
The Ottoman Empire was like, bro, I can't sell you
land like it belongs to the people and they fought
to conquer this place. I'm not finish, just just sell
it to you. And not only did he not sell
it to him, he started building policy to make sure
that they can't just be immigrating and just buying up
Palestinian land.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
He was like, I'm not really I'm not really.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Here for this, and like why would I welcome like
a large religious minority into my empire?
Speaker 1 (54:13):
You might take it over.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
So, like I said, he was like, I can't look
they're not just letting us come now, they're restricting our thing,
our movement. He even, like I said, he went back
to the British Empire, asked for a spot in East Africa,
like can we just and the Jews back home? It
was like, nigga, we're going back to Zion. The hell
you talk about East Africa for He's perzels like bro,
(54:38):
I'm trying right. So eventually they found the city of
Tel Aviv. They create their own like anybody else, Like
you created Chinatown. You created like you create your own community.
Then newm niggas got organized. Now the timeline I'm telling
you this, Like I said, Remember he had this first
idea eighteen ninety seven. So this is all during the
times between like World War One World War Two. Remember
Britain didn't take over until nineteen seventeen, because that's why
(55:00):
he was building with the Ottoman Empire. Dudes once and
then once they was gone once British, Once Britain take
took over nineteen seventeen, we're about we're seeing the end
of World War One, right, You're thinking maybe this was
a new world.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
And then all hell.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Broke loose with the Nazi Empire and at that point,
once the Nazis things started happening, it was like, oh, nigga,
we gotta go like this. We can't be playing games.
Were trying to play nice like like that. The Nazi
thing kicked this mug in a high gear. So now
by nineteen forty seven, it's like now it's like the
Jews are like a third of the population in Palestine
(55:38):
at the time, right, So so now it's getting a
little itchy, you know what I'm saying, Like, now y'all,
just y'all, just over here, And if you're an Arab nation,
you like, okay, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait okay. Why we
got to lose our home because of stuff Europe did?
Why are we paying the price? Like I feel you,
you know what I'm saying, Like that's terrible what you're
(55:59):
going through, But like why you gotta come, Why you.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Gotta take our house?
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Why y'all gotta be like what's going on right now?
But anyway, since nobody's handing it to them, now we
got numbers, since nobody's just gonna let us be here,
the only way to do this is by force. So
them dudes made a military. Now it's time to scrap
for it. But as you know, this is still a
British outpost. Finally, Britain's like, okay, listen, I'm done with
(56:24):
all this. When were we gonna do? Y'all get that part,
y'all get that part. They created the partition, but they said,
now y'all figure out what is what and.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Who run this and all that, like I'm done.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
And there at that moment the birth of the nation
of Israel, the lines created by Britain after they left
in Palestine looking around here going man.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
What what just happened? Right now?
Speaker 2 (56:52):
And then, like I said in other you wasn't outside episodes,
the rest of the Arab nations was like, oh hell no,
like if they were the war immediately everybody jumped them.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Egret, everybody jump it was like.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
And then and look Israel one like like they just.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
What did y'all do? Like who are you? Why are
you get to be a nation?
Speaker 2 (57:15):
But that's what happened, and we still scrapping over it.
Nation states again have more to do with the recognition
of other nations and who gets to decide who gets
what power and all this good stuff. I like we
said borders are made up, they're drawn by conquerors. It's
not don't let that fool you. The concept that has
(57:37):
people out in the streets is the type of Zionism
that has to do with the displacement of an indigenous
population by force because you believe God wanted you here.
(57:57):
That's one way to look at it. And that, my friend,
it's just run of the mill imperialism. It's basic. Then
there's the Zionism that says, like I said, I am
preserving my culture. And then there's the Zionism that says,
I am longing for a place for us to belong,
(58:19):
a Zionism that is much more an idea of a
promised land rather than the hostile takeover of a place
where people already exist. Spiritual, religious, political, all of that
in this one turn. So I am not going to
(58:40):
tell you what to think of when you say Zionists,
just like I don't know what to tell you what
you think of when you say Christian But I tell
you what it ain't what the rastas mean.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
And I tell you what if.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
You're sitting in Palestine right now, do it even matter
hood politics?
Speaker 1 (59:13):
All right?
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Now? Don't you hit stop on this pod. You better
listen to these credits. I need you to finish this
thing so I can get.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
The download numbers. Okay, so don't stop it yet, but listen.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
This was recorded in East Lost Boyle Heights by your
boy Propaganda. Tap in with me at prop hip hop
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Speaker 1 (59:42):
Get yourself some coffee.
Speaker 2 (59:43):
This was mixed, edited and mastered by your boy Matt
Alsowski killing the Beast softly. Check out his website Mattowsowski
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stuff like that on there, so gonna check out The heat.
Politics is a member of cool Zone Media, executive produced
by Sophie Lichterman, part of the iHeartMedia podcast network. Your
theme music and scoring is also by the one and
nobly Mattawsowski. Still killing the beat softly, So listen. Don't
let nobody lie to you. If you understand urban living,
(01:00:25):
you understand politics. These people is not smarter than you.
We'll see y'all next week.
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