April 23, 2025 • 63 mins
With President Trump turning up the cruelty by tying deportations to El Salvador’s mass incarceration, we figured it’s a good time to remind y'all who the president of El Salvador, Nayib Bukele really is—and what it feels like to live under a police state.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All the media. You forced to face it. I'm winning
ward fast. I don't remember the rap Hood Politics, you
face it. I'm goin in the course of patience, giving
reward the waiting list in the hooks, informing y'all my mission.
(00:23):
I'm clear on my mission. Yes, y'all, don't. I don't
remember my own rap. That's crazy. Did y'all know we
did like a whole? Like we didn't do a whole.
We only drop three of the seven songs we made
of the Hood Politics mixtape. I kind of don't know
what happened with that. Oh, I think we just got busy. Anyway,
what's up, y'all. I'm trying not to let my levels peak.
(00:44):
I apologize their matt Alsowski killing the beat softly. So
we're here and we want to run a rewinding selector
uh episode. Let me tell you why, because we already
did the work before I get to what exactly we're
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gonna rewind about. Thank you for everybody who's been streaming
the music. You know the Passion Project joint on May sewid. Yeah,
we're dropping a song called Don't Mind Me with the
Hommi Shad who's been on the show. Shads are a
Canadian correspondent. And remember I told y'all he's like probably
he is now the greatest rapper in Canada period. You
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caught the shade and yeah, songs called don't Mind Me,
so get ready for that. I ain't got no pre
save links or none of that, but there it is.
Now we're gonna rerun Los p de Adio because we
have to talk about Osalvador and Buguele. Now, what you're
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going to here is an episode we did last year
about him and when he became the president of El
Salvador and what he did in relation to the cartels
and the street gangs that have been ravaging El Salvador
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for so many years. The reason why it's so unique,
not unique, The reason why it's it's so interesting and
relative to us as and I'm saying this as far
as like our original use of this episode is because
it's so much like mass incarceration in America, the experience
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that people of my graduating class experienced in terms of
like gang sweeps and like war on drugs and just
to sprinkle some crack on them era. Some of you
youngers may understand the he had a gun on him argument.
(03:01):
He was attacking me I felt unsafe. Argument we get
from the police which was like, well you made that up.
That was just your green light to treat us like animals.
And why it's so complicated and why it's so particularly
something that we wrestle with here is because I would
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not wish the nineties on anyone in terms of our
experience with the La Street gangs, Like there were elements
that were super fun. Yes we created culture. Yes we
lived the way we lived. Yes we made some of
the dopest rap music you've ever heard in your life.
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And yeah, there's a lot of adrenaline. It's pretty exhilarating,
don't get me wrong. It also wiped out a generation
of men who are here. It also had us going
to funerals as preteens. We're going to funerals before we
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hit puberty of our friends, like the the the amount
of debt, like the the heightened like fight or flight
that you existed in at all times. That's why you
you know a lot of reasons why Yo gen X
big homies if they from where we from, are as
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callous as they are because of what we went through.
And in the middle of that was the third biggest
and most powerful gang we all truly had to deal with,
which was LAPD And this clean up the streets attitude
(04:48):
New York with the street sweepers like these, uh, I
mean just where two or more are gathered energy, there
are gangs in the midst you understand, like your your
your if you wore a Raiders hat, if you wore
you know, a hat backwards, a Rams hat. And you
(05:10):
know now nowadays, you know with these young lings that
had to do mean something, you know what I'm saying.
But like White Sox Raiders, Like I remember we couldn't
wear Raiders jerseys to school because they were gang affiliated.
You can't just be a fan of the Raiders. Your
your affiliation has to do with your the location that
you live in. I remember dudes getting off probation or
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getting out and being on probation, they be on house
arrests and you have to go back to jail if
you consort with your neighborhood gang. I'm like, well, where
do you want me to live? That's that's my house,
Like a consorting with my cousin my own Like what
do you want me to do? My house? My granny
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house is the kickback? Like where like even if I'm
trying to be good. The squarest of people get swooped
up into that, and and the police don't ask questions,
they just you know, and and if you if you
not really about that life, you in a situation where
(06:15):
I wish I was making these stories up where the
police would be like, give me something, I need something.
What's going on with your's neighborhood set. You're like, look, man,
I own gang bang. I don't have nothing to do
with that. And they'd be like, oh word, man, what's this.
They pull out a you know, a fitth a crack
or something or syringe. They're like, oh, man, I think
we found some drugs on you, and you like, you
(06:37):
know you didn't you know that's not mine. I'm like,
hey man, we found it on you. Give me some information.
So you were like, what do you want me to do?
You want me to snitch? And then I remember I
had to be like, listen, dude, I'm telling you right now,
I'm gonna make something up because I truly don't know.
I like I listen, they would DJ quick and problem
(07:01):
or goes by Jason Martin now told this story, and
I'm telling you, like I if I'm lying, I'm flying.
This stuff is true. Police will pick you up, hem
you up for something, pretend like they found drugs on you,
put you in a squad car and drop you off
in your rival neighborhood and like and just feel like, Okay,
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well we're gonna let them do like this, Just this
level of cruelty that would even if you desired to
see your neighborhoods cleaned up, if you're gonna treat us
like this, I don't want no part of that. People
go in to prison, nice guys, and they come out
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murderers because you have to survive. We had mandatory minimums,
like the eighteen to one laws, like all these things
that we existed in that were clearly, clearly just designed
to just get bodies off the streets. Will you take
that attitude and you move it out of LA and
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you make it into an entire country. And your grandma
and I am happy because she could finally walk to
the store, but in her being able to freely walk
to the store, her nephew got himed up, who was like,
is a schoolboy just a nerd? So this both guilty
(08:29):
and victims is a motif that as a person of color,
specifically in LA and graduating when I graduated, made this
Bougueli character be very familiar to us. We've experienced this.
I'm a victim of gang violence, you know what I'm saying.
But I'm also a victim of police overreach and brutality.
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Is when it's like, does the is the solution? You know?
Is the is the medicine as bad as the disease
type beat? But you know Trump liked that He like
a man gung ho to just like do what you
gotta do, and I like a man who willing to
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just do whatever you need to do for the bread.
Right now, the story is I've heard you, sir, You've
heard his name before, Obago Garcia. He is one of
hundreds of people who are not from El Salvador, even
though he is or not, who have been deported now,
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whether they are victims of a mistake or actual gang
members due to this Alien Enemies Act, which what we'll
have to get into later, they didn't get any due process,
like you, there was no you. This is why on
(10:08):
it can happen here. Mia keeps talking about black bagging
people because she talking about like this is how really
could get this is something that has existed in other
countries and it's happening here. We can just put a
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black bag on them and send them somewhere. I don't
care where. Not here and where has brought well Gaile
into our news cycle again. So we're gonna talk about
his background and then I'm gonna come back at the
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end and talk about the Supreme Court stuff. Right now,
all right, blessing all the sessions every time that the
class D. I won't hold you, but I tried to
hold you. Give me tween minutes and some of hitming
you today Gemmicks a person revolutionary school and all you're
going to boyd, I laughed, Vato like follow me, y'a'm
a boy thing. Got skiing on. That's what I'm being on.
(11:10):
I being going that what's so food? Where you votos
from me? A sock jack homie today this episode, I
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don't know if I'll relate to anything more closer than
the narrative of this story. Bog like a a l
Vato audio. This is full el President and they el
half a bougee Bogeli that food down to the ground
day he out here sock checking food. Sock Jack Homie,
(11:54):
you don't know what the sock check is. You don't
know enough Atos. This is the El Salvador episod so
about President Bugle because there's this is the convergence, the
literal convergence of gang life and politics. The parallels in
my life. One the things that I personally experienced, because
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the origin story of this was here La, specifically the
part of La that I was around, y'all know, I'll
talk about all the time I grow with Atos.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
This.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I've never felt more equipped to talk about a topic
than this was. And even what he what we're actually
going to talk about later on in the show is
like it was he it was the nineties like this was.
I've never felt more equipped to talk about this anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Bogaile said, SoC check, homie hood, politics, no, no, no, no,
you know what los politicosvidio and.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay, when dame A kick it creaky, listen this episode
on some r lebo call in our A. I want
to send and dedicate this song through Mayavado Creeper. Keep
your head up. I am your buppet and your baby
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side ice. She will always stay down for you. And
then you play the song I wish y'all knew about
the r le Bow calling hour. It was he just
passed away. And this white man became such an important
part to l a street culture, uh specifically Latino culture,
because he would play like oldies, these like old soul
(13:49):
songs and foods, would call in and dedicate songs to
like their loved ones, and most of the time it
be loved ones they had locked up. It's a very
l a thing. Rest in peace, Arleba. This episode of politics,
we have to talk about that. We have to talk
about El Salvador and President Buglee and it's there is
a layer of complication that I want to lay out,
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but you got to understand the history and the context
and why I feel so connected to this. Early nineties,
there was a civil war that news flashed. America played
a big role in having to do with El Salvador
had a gentry, wealthy landowners who essentially ran the country
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and was the government was just like basically their toys.
America played a role in this, which again needs its
whole other topic. But all that to say that started
bringing El Salvadorans fleeing El Salvador, some getting exiled, some
getting deported, some fleeing to America and where they came
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was MacArthur Park. MacArthur Park is now let me talk
gentrified CALLI to try to tie this up for you.
First of all, MacArthur Park was where the radiotron existed,
like if you remember the movies Breaking and Breaking to
Electric Boogaloo. It was the first like early eighties hip
hop spot was at the radiotron, and the radiotron was
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a MacArthur Park. Later on, MacArthur Park, because of like
I said, what was going on in our society, became
the hub of the El Salvadorian community. They landed right
in the area next to Pico Union, which is right
next to Echo Park. And then and then to the
east of them is like downtown La. Downtown La has
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my child. It was basically a no man's land like
it's It was like blade Runner over there until La
Live and all that stuff and then it got all hit.
But before that, nobody went to Downtown La. But east
of it, I mean, but west of it, you know,
you would have, like I said, you have MacArthur Park,
Wiltshire District, Korea Town. All of that was going west.
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So that's like kind of north of like I said,
I am from originally south central. This is all north
of the ten Freeway separates north and south, and then
the one ten freeway separates east and west. So this
is northwest of downtown. Now next to that is Peaco Union,
which is liam Vatoland. North of them is Echo Park.
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You remember the movie. You probably don't remember the movie,
but me Vi I Loka Echo Park now is where
you could do goat yoga because it's completely gentrified, right
next to historic Filipino Town, which was like also, these
were gang territories that were already organized, borders were set,
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everybody knew what it was. Cemit was settled, the Salvadorians
came here. And the sense is, what's so different about
My wife brought this up, what's so different about the
Asian It's I hate saying it like this, but the
Asian experience and the Latino experience is and my wife
has made this mistake before. You. The more you hang
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around Asian people, you could tell they you could tell
they don't look alike like and but they all have
their same language, they all have their they all have
different languages Korean, Japanese, Cantonese, Mandarin. So because Asia wasn't
colonized in the way that Central in South America was.
They all speak Spanish, right, so there's a shared give
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or take some Portuguese. There's a shared like language among
the Latino diaspora, you know, give or take a few
indigenous folks, but they all speak Spanish. And you could
take the most hardened, the most Azilain Mexicano and they
can't tell you the difference. They can't look at the
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Thesalvadorian coast Rican and look at them and say they
you can't tell by their look. You're going to talk
about their accent and when they tell you unless there
are certain tell tale signs. There are certain characteristics, certain
ways you carry yourself, certain way you understand that are
culturally because these are in fact different countries in different cultures. Right. So,
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but when they got here, y'all all spoke span it. Now,
by the time they got here, you have to remember
the Mexican American. First of all, there was such thing
as a Mexican a Chicano. We didn't already had Chikano movie.
We didn't have the Zutsu Riots, we didn't have the
brown berets like they have established themselves as a part
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of America for decades because remember California was Mexico, so
they've been here. Now, as far as the street life,
these these rules are already established. There was already a
gang in MacArthur Park. It's eighteenth Street b Seolcho, like
one of the most notorious street gangs in the world. Now,
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the difference to between crips and bloods and Black gang
banging and the Mexican gang banging is there's a set hierarchy.
Everyone you lim runs it, which is the Mexican mafia.
The prison thing. They they run the shit. Now it
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might be different now you know what I'm saying, because
not in that life, but the general understanding is no
matter what you guys are doing on the streets, everybody
pays liam because that's how a product gets here. The
Coyotes comany bringing away from Mexico, you tap in with
the mafia. The Mexican mafia, they run it. Reverend comes
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through the jail, they call the shots. There's a hierarchy.
You don't kill nobody unless you get the word. It's
much more like a mafia. The street warshit it's like,
of course it happens, of course because you get hotheads,
but like they not like crips and bloods we are.
They have a corporate structure, if you will. And black folks,
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we bought our drugs from the Mexican You bought our
drugs from the essays from you know, if you was
back east, you say from the Spanish dudes, that's who
you bought it from. Paco Paco. Paco got you to
wait when the l Salvadorians got here. There is you
have to remember among the Latino community, there is a
little bit of anti this and that sentiment among each other.
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Mexicans traditionally don't really get along with El Salvadorians the
matter of fact, there's like some prejudice there that like
don't really they don't really mess with them. They have
like derogatory names for Salvadorians, you know, in the same
way that now listen, I'm not saying this in on
the eye horse. And same way black people have about Africa,
the same way Caribbeans, Caribbean people have about Africans, the
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way Africans have about American black people, like we have
our own self hate in the community. They don't necessarily
get along. So you got people who were fighting in
a civil war in El Salvador against each other. Once
they get here, oh we arm in arm. We all
we got. See that's how the immigrant population work. When
you get to a place and you realize like, oh shit,
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were the only ones that we all we got is
us And you jump into a place that is so
racially charged as is America as a whole, let alone California.
And when they got here in the nineties, this is
this is the height when they got here. So you
landed in a place that was already violent, with an
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already established rules where even your own rasa doesn't they
not even messing with you. So they was like, well shit,
they formed their own hood and mess thirteen Maltruca. So
they formed their own gang. And the difference between them,
at least from our perspective, or as in black people,
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serffence between them and like the vathos we were used to.
The vatos, we were used to again they had a
code and we was in business together. You stayed at
a turf. We stayed at a turf. They stayed at ours.
Like I kid you not the city I live in now.
I never came here. We black people, we were not allowed.
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I just and It was understood this was they hood.
You you better lead them about those alone. They take
that shit like I was seen as a threat. They
took it very silly. I came over here for a
few parties and learned quickly I'm not welcome over here.
The only person black people over here in this city
was will I Am because he was born in this
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part of town. But fam we didn't come. And as
far as like the street stuff, it was just understood,
this was they world. We were in business together. How
was we supposed to know the difference between a Mexican
and a l Salvadorian, which created an issue. We was
in business, but I can't tell the difference. You beefed
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in jail like the war, and shit happened in jail.
The turf was the street shit that happened. But like
Cris was more worried about other black people, was more
worried about other cripsets, other bloods. We was more worried
about that vothos. You just left them alone, like you're on,
won't fuck with them. They had their own shit, and
whenever we had classes, it was bad, I mean bad.
Long Beach probably got it the worst. Essentially, we an
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should to do with that. That's y'all shit. We as
in black people until it came to business because our
Salvador figured out, well, for Columbia to get to Mexico,
you got to go throughout Salvador, and they figured out
black people can't tell the difference between us. You assert
yourself in the supply chain. All you know is Wan
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Carlo pulled up with the weight and then Miguel Rodriguez
pulled up and he like, I got your way. You
like what nigga got, you already bought it, bought it
from who. I don't know, your homeboy one cars meigg
I don't know. So then now Mexican's mad at us
because they feel like we cheating and through y'all just
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walked off with a couple hundred bands and now they beefing,
they like, and now they mad at Now they mad
at the Mexicans, and now they's that's they thing we like.
I mean, nigga, I don't know, like y'all get y'all,
y'all all the same to us, nigga racism. But it
became a thing like MS. Thirteen put they and they
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were so terrifying and niggas walked around with machetes. I'm
not kidding machetes, but that's because yeah, in Central America,
that's pretty normal, you know what I'm saying, Like you
cutting down trees number one and then number two. Like
I said, the difference between I didn't get to this point,
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but the difference between the two was like like I said,
the the Vathos were they was very organized, they had
a they had a corporate way of running things. Salvadorians
were brawlers, they were machette just the level of I
I cannot stress the MS thirteen. I know there's a
lot of like political propaganda, pun intended, all this extras
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that they be putting on it because they doing it
because they're racist. I'm doing it because I was here
fam Man Truca MS thirteen stayed a hell out they
way and thirteen different is Saudeniel like different than Northaniel,
which is like which was Thoris. It's or they got there,
they got their rules, like the Latinos got their rules.
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It's a little different. But Thrucha MS thirteen they had
something to prove because it was so few of them,
and you stepping into a system that like there's no
work there's no help. They just realized that, like, oh shit,
America's racist. You just think I'm They've probably been called
they were called Mexican probably everywhere they went, you know
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what I'm saying. So for them, they was like, I mean,
what are we supposed to do? And these as kids
who was fighting in civil wars, you know when you
come from a war torn third world country. That's why,
like didn't nobody mess with the Cambodians, didn't bight mess
with them Micronesian you know what I'm saying. Like when
them Asian gangs started coming over here, it was like Nigga,
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they fight armies, so like their level of violence is
so different than ours, Like it's violent, but it's like,
oh fam they they used to fight in military anyway,
Marucha Like it was like Soword Machette broad Daylight. Like
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they just were the I cannot under I can't overstate
how violent they were as a gang. Bad Okay. Now
what happened next was the Great Deportation. When the War
on Drugs and the gang injunction started happening in California,
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food started to get deported. Now we were mean black
people was facing mass incarceration. A lot of the Mexicans
were facing mass incarceration because we live here, we were,
we're you know, multi generational, we've been here forever. If
you get deported, nigga, you get deported. And they was
dropping them out, Salvadorians off by the bus back. You
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think deportation is crazy. Now they was rounding them niggas
up and sending them home. Then Vothos was getting sent
home full where and what they did when they got
home was exactly what happened with black people when they
got sent off to live with their aunties in the South.
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Explain that after this break, all right, we're back. I
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have very distinct memories of because I'm an old being
on three way on the phone with you know, a
little girls. I was trying to holler Ad and some
of the hummies whatever. We would be asking about one
of the friends that we just ain't seen in a while.
I think I may have told this story before on
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the show, but like this was a normal interaction where
we would be like, am I seeing Andre? What was up? Andre?
And Andre went to go spend the summer in Arkansas
or Memphis or Atlanta with his auntie or he had
to go live with his grandma, and then he'd have
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to stay why because he was getting in trouble. Once
you hit age of recruitment out here your best bet,
a lot of families decided they would just send they
boys away, go live with your auntie. It's too violent
out here, right. You starting to make bad decisions. Man,
They gonna like, you're gonna go out there worked in
fields and really realize what's going on. You get sent
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to Oklahoma, You get sent to all these hotbeds Okay,
see Tulsa, all these cities where before the Great Migration
where we came from, we got sent back to stay
with the aunties. Now we would have it also like
the Latino homies. It would be more like they'd have
to go work. It would be the middle of the
year and they'd have to go to Mexico to work
with their grandpa. Then they would be back. You know
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what I'm saying. But you just had to go work
a field, and you just had to go back. They
needed money. You're a thea needs money, so you have
to go down there at work. That's just what it
was with us, though I can say distinctly purposefully, we
were sent off to try to avoid the gang life.
And for us out here in Cali, that person would
cease to exist, like they would just fall off the
phases of the earthly. I don't really are, it's just
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it's done, like you just never think about them again,
like they were gone. And I never connected the dots
because in Kansas City there's a neighborhood crypt there's a
Rolling sixty gang. There's neighborhood in OKC. In Tulsa there's bloods.
There's all these neighborhoods. There's all these hoods to playboy gangsters,
all these sixties twenties photies, all these things that are
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named after actual streets in California. It's called Rolling sixties
because that's they were in the sixtieth blocks, Jo said.
And then you'd find them, and I, for the life
of me, could not understand, like why y'all got gangs
named after California streets, Nigga, it's the kids that got
sent off when we was in middle school. They just
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went there and got it cracking and started creating sets
in their neighbor and they could run. You'd run. You
were kings. You came from this place where you learned
all the game everything you needed to do because you
had to survive where you were. You just went out
there and you just ruled the world. They had it
an app been on a microcosm in America in California suburbs. Yo, Yo, mama,
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get a house, get get a tax return, you move
out to the burbs. Oh you like, oh, I'm gonna
run this, do you know what I'm saying? Until somebody
else's family from Long Beach or something get get a
tax returned. They go out there and then and that
nigga just as thorough as you are, like, uh, now
we got issues. But it was such a normal occurrences.
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I remember that there was a documentary in the Knights
called Banging in Little Rock. Could not wrap my main
my mind around Little Rock, Arkansas having gangs until at
a full groun adult I was like, oh, yeah, we
exported it. We would get sent off. And then they
didn't fall off the face of the earth. They lived
there and started hoods. I don't know why I ever
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thought about that. That's what happened else Aalvadore. They went
out there and they got active. And when they got active,
you have to remember they got active without any constraints
of any cribs, bloods or any other or any other
cholos May eighteen Street. Nobody was over there, Florence thirteen.
Nobody was there. It was they world and they world.
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It was good God. They went out there sod checking
fools left and right. And here's the thing. I'm not
even gonna explain what a sock check is. Sock check
on me because if you know, you know thusave I
know how counterintuitive this sounds, but in some ways, when
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there's no system of checks and balances, even among gang life,
you think the violence happens, of course because of like
rivalries and stuff like that. But if there's no system
and you can just run the thing, then the lick
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becomes just the people, like you're just the citizens, because
there's no time the gang wars evolved because somebody is
gonna be like, well, I don't have to just listen
to you, nigga, I live over here. That can make
this my neighborhood, right, somebody else get deported from five
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years later and they start their own set. But before that,
it's like the people that live there become your playing field,
and they're not inoculated. They don't have the germs. They
don't have the germs. They don't have the white blood
cells to be able to inoculate themselves, to defend themselves
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in any way, because that's this isn't what they're This
isn't the types of diseases they're used to. This gang shit,
the gang shit in El Salvador was born in Los Angeles,
like it's not. It's not local grown. It was born
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in La So it's not they're not used to. They
don't have You don't have the immune system for that.
So them foods was running them streets, I mean running
them like I mean you put La Chicago, Atlanta, just
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wrap it all in one. They was running them streets.
It was bro because milk we miy just like bad.
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Now it's funny me doing this because I'm using all
like Mexican slang. It is like, I mean, you called
me on it, of course, but like bro, it was
through child's like I thought you wouldn't believe what they
saw anyway, it was bad. I can relate to the
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feelings of feeling like you're this is an open air prison,
like you're you're held hostage in your own neighborhood. I
can personally relate to that, like rules were very clear.
There's parts of neighborhoods you just don't go to. It's
grocery stores, directions walking home like you have to walk
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home a whole other route. There's family members you can't
go visit because it's like you ain't allowed in that hood. Man,
y'all think I'm exaggerating, Like, man, I need to bring
somebody else on this show, like who lived through this
that can avouch for what I'm telling you. When I
tell you could not go to certain areas, it's like
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you you could not go. It's what do you mean
you can't go? It's a free country. I'm allowed to go. Okay,
try it. Go ahead, drive over there. See what happens.
I personally had family that lived in Compton that I
didn't visit until they left Compton and it we weren't
allowed over there. And Salvador was living through this until
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this young gen z Cusp millennial comes and starts socks
checking foods. All right, all right, now we're gonna get
to the meat of this after this break. All right,
(36:53):
we're back sock check, homie. The higher the sides, the
down there, the food Brad lame jack live. Never snitch
on your homies in respect your head. I keep it
through chin all right anyway, Sorry dog, So this gen
z cuss for millennial naimbu gele upper middle class dude,
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Palestinian immigrant moves over to Al Salvador with his family,
gets his start around thirty years old. And he was
a publicist. Right, so you're talking about a dude gets
on the camera, hat to the back, young understands social media,
knows how to talk that talk, understands TikTok. Like just
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next generation. The guy for now decides to get into politics,
becomes the mayor of a small town you know, on
the outskirts, eventually becomes the mayor of the capital city,
San Salvador, and then runs for president in twenty eighteen.
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And when he runs for president, you got I remember
again he a young buck. You got this like the
literal opposite problem of what we got in America. What
John Stewart say, man needs to have set the record
for being the oldest two people to ever run for president,
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only breaking the record by four years set by them
four years ago. Just didn't gay the opposite, young buck, right,
new blood understands the world. You know, he was educated
in a bilingual school. So he come from like I said,
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like not poverty, not well, just middle class, upper middle
class educated, you know, and he real slick and he
runs being like nigga, I'm different, I'm stop checking foods.
I'm tired of this shit, okay. And this is when
the story becomes super familiar. Y'all don't know about the
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New York street sweepers, and for CALLI, the gang injunctions,
and the gang injunctions kind of work like this, like
you get if it was if you was black and brown,
you were standing on a corner and it was molding
more than one of y'all, it's a gang. If y'all
had matching shoes, matching whatever it is, you're in a
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gang according to the law. So they would run up
on you, and you know, it would move from like
loitering again to gang activity because what was happening was
so intense in LA like the police, as corrupt as
they might have been, or as desperate as the community
might have been. If you got swept, if you got
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swept up, you got swept up. They didn't ask questions,
they didn't look. If it was two of y'all, it's
a gang. You could be like, dude, we're nerdy as hell,
y'all a gang if you if they if they if
they recognized a jersey, a street, a jersey you were wearing,
like if you just happen to be wearing a Dolphins jersey.
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All that's thirteenth Street, y'all said, like, or that's twelfth Street,
like you down there, you down there in Pomona, like you,
you know what I'm saying, Like you was with them?
You feel me like you they No matter what a tattoo,
a street name, whatever it is, if it was something
that they could recognize as a gang thing, no questions asked.
You getting swept up, you going into the paddy wagon, Right,
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it was a gang injunctions, right, you would get a
gang uptick. Like for example, if let's just say, you
know you you you know you did breaking an entery,
just some sort of like or some sort of petty
crime like your grand theft autoor, whatever the case may be. Right,
you was just joy writing. If they could tie you
to a known gang, that crime would get what's called
a gang uptick, meaning it's an extra five or it
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or the act becomes a felony. A misdemeanor can become
a felony because of the gang uptick. Right, A lot
of times what would happen is kids would just be
regular ass kids, you know what I'm saying, Maybe maybe
committing you know, petty crimes here and there, just trying
to be cool with the homies. You go to jail,
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you go to juvie, and you joined the gang in juvie, right,
So it created a bigger problem, you understand what I'm saying.
In New York, they would have a street sweepers. Again,
like if you was just if you were standing outside
and it was more than y'all everybody getting swept up.
I'm not asking no questions where we are cleaning up
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our streets? Now? That was us as black and brown
boys being the being the victims of this. On the
other hand, we were also victims of the violence. I
said it, I said it so many times, and I'm
gonna say it again in this in this episode, I
cannot stress enough how wild the streets were then, like
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we were held hostage. Like in a lot of ways,
I could say we were both. I said it on
the song Gentrify on my own record, we were both
guilty and victims. Like because the the roving hordes of
violent youth that was holding us hostage were us. They
were our friends, those were our cousins. And part of
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it was because you needed protection from the other roving
violent hordes of dude, you know what I'm saying, Like
it was us. It's complicated. So the old ladies who
can't go to their neighborhood liquor store, do you understand
what I'm saying. The people that was causing that problem,
was they sons, Was they grandchildren or they friends' grandchildren.
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So if you came home, you was just like Meho,
I can't even go to the store. No more fools
will be like you. Somebody tell you. Somebody tell yo, y'all, Well,
like yo, grandma telling you she getting sweated at the store. Oh, nigga,
it's up you, not Fina swept my. Oh. So it's
like we were you, we were held hostage. You don't
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go to the police because they just another gang. Like
I said, they sweeping us up and throwing us into jail.
They're not asking questions. Well, Gayle ran on this idea
that like El Salvador, you're you're under and in a
lot of ways. It's true, you're under an occupation. The
occupation is just these fifas of gangs, y'all, y'all under occupation.
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He like, I'm gonna clean this shit up. I'm not
asking questions. You can't you can't. You can't play games
with these people. You have to demoralize them. And as
the people of El Salvador, they like, I'm tired of
this shit, you right, like we're tired of this. This
man know how to talk. He young, dead, sexy, and
(43:52):
he talked that talk. He like, ob look, I'm not
afraid of y'all gangsters. I'm gangster too, Nigga, like, I'm
I'm with the shits. You need to hire somebody, You
need to elect somebody that's with the shits. And with
the shits he was. And within two years this man
absolutely decimated. I'm talking about the fact that, like you know,
how like we talk about like the Mob and the
(44:12):
Sopranos and shit like that, how it's like this is
nothing like it used to be. Of course it exists,
in of course, the mob exists, but not like it did.
The mob got decimated. Like while I'm talking that, he
absolutely destroyed the El Salvador and a lot of times
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look on once. This is why this is a hood
politics episode, because on one side of this, on one
side of the corner, you're like, good, nigga, we're free. Man.
Fuck y'all out here extorting our grandma's like killing your
own people, dividing this city up. Man, we held hostage, Like, nah, man,
I got no love for y'all. You know what I'm saying,
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Like you could, like you could you pointing out people
like I done lost friend, his family, cousins, sisters, brothers.
You understand what I'm saying, Like I'm trying to open
a stupid little pin, Nadia, right, you understand what I'm saying.
You you taking sixty percent of my Like, nah, I
got no it's no love loss. He would he would
have him boys like look like dehumanizing them and the
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attitude is what they dehumanized us. Have them, have them
lined up in the in the jail and they draws
tied up one by one, being like, look now, now,
who the g now? Who the dawn? You laying out
here in your draws? You're trying to like, nah, fam,
we not playing this shit no more. Y'all are done
(45:41):
fuck you and what you going through? You know what
I'm saying, fuck your dad, homies, Like I don't give
a shit about none of y'all. You didn't y'all, y'all
been terrorizing us too long. I'm done. And on one hand,
it's like Nigga finally right in some senses, like, look,
I'm a slap of Nazi. I'm a slap of Nazi
in the face type dude, Like, I get it. Sometimes
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you gotta shut this shit down, you feel me. And
the only way to talk to somebody that's violent is
with violence. I get it. I'm not a pacifist. And
how do you respond to people that got no code? You? Like,
are you worried about the moral high ground? Like is
that really what we're worried about? It's like niggas is
(46:24):
dying in the streets this like this is I'm tired
of this shit. Y'all killing each other and we're all
and we're dying too. Like it'd be one thing if
it was just y'all shooting at each other. But even
if it's y'all, y'all is us you are, These are
our sons, these are our daughters. Yourself saying so like
there's no separation between them and us. They are us.
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But this shit needs to stop, bro, And he was like,
give me two years, and he did it. Now. On
the other hand, the question is about how. And again
this is why I relate to it. He was dudes
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would get wrapped up with no due process, and like
with the you couldn't whether you was involved, affiliated or not.
They're like, we'll sort them out later. So it's stories
all over our Salvador of people being like I haven't
seen my nephew ever since the cops picked them up.
(47:30):
They just make up charges and they hold them without
due process. They're not telling them what's going on. And
if you just get caught up, you get caught up.
Whether you have an affiliation or not, it don't matter.
They're like, we'll figure it out later. When you're cleaning
the streets with the power with the super soaker, you
(47:50):
know what I'm saying, Like they're just getting the biggest
net possible and just swooping everybody out of the streets
and being like, look, it's clean, and if you get
caught up, you get caught up. He has not shown
any concern in whether somebody gets accidentally swooped up into
this or not. You shouldn't have been over there, that's
(48:11):
the attitude. You shouldn't have been outside. And even if
you not involved, I know, you know somebody that's involved,
your brother involved, your cousin involved. It's impossible. It's like
and that is another thing that I get. If you
swept me up, I don't gang bang at all. I'm
not affiliated all. Matter of fact, I'm running from these niggas.
But if you swept me up and ask me if
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I know actively, I'm like, well, absolutely, of course I do. Listen,
this is these were the rules. If you get swept up.
Let's just say you get involved. You know they got
your little tattoos on file, because that's what they do
to take pictures of your tattoos. They see you got a
tattoo that matches some other stuff. Now you involved in
that hood. Right, Let's just say you get out on
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probation or you out on parole. A part of the
rules for your probation or your parole is you cannot
associate with any known gang activity, any known gang affiliates.
The problem is you're sending me back to my house
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and you're like, well, it's my father is known gang,
my physical brother, like my first cousin, my auntie, Like
I live at the Kickback. So even if I'm trying
to like this just where I live. I like, even
if I don't want to be a part of this,
(49:39):
like it's just where I live. I don't know. I
don't know what I'm supposed to say. If the po
post see you, they let's say, they run a raid
or they pull somebody over whatever in your neighborhood. They
see you over there, you done broke your probation rules.
Now you're going back. It's people in El Salvador that
feel like, we don't know if this solution is worth
(50:04):
to squeeze, the juice is worth to squeeze. It's like,
you have a rodent problem, and the solution that the
exterminator brings is a bomb. He's like, well, clear, clear,
I killed all the rodents. And it's like, but you
(50:25):
you blew up the house. Well, all my plants are
dead too, and so is our pet. Like you like,
but the rodents are gone. What do you say to that? Well,
you know what else out of doors said is it's
(50:45):
the cost of play because they re elected him, and
when you do people a favor like that, especially if
you're not afraid of taking the blowbacks. It's like I said,
it's family members that still ain't seen they family members,
it's been three years. They just swooped them up and
they're like you he in jail now, no no court case,
(51:06):
no charge. It's just you a part of the gangs,
like nigga. No I'm not, Yes, you are that. There's
cases like that all over Ol Salvador. So then the people,
the people believe in you, and and what do you
do this for you? I did this for the said,
I did it for the hood. I did it for
Al Salvador. You can declare a sort of martial law
(51:30):
in a way that says, you want me to clean
these streets up. You gotta let me not worry about
y'all's human and individual rights right now. And some of
the pushback with this bro is like, that's a that's
a creep towards fascism because you're getting the job done
for for the fatherland at all costs. And what you're
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gonna what y'all gonna say, I cleaned your streets up?
You want to go back? You ain't like my way
that my ways worked and I mean, why would you
say anything to him if you know that you can
get caught up in his drag net? And that's it.
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I mean, that was the LAPD for us. Look, you
get caught up, you got if you get caught up,
you get caught up. You know. And of course we
fought back against police brutality and stuff like that. But granted,
this isn't Los Angeles, is not the nation of El Salvador.
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It's not necessarily one to one. But what I'm saying
is I understand the complications. I have no love for
for the beasts, of course, but I will tell you this.
I currently live in a part of town I wouldn't
allowed to even visit. That's kind of nice. So we'll
(52:59):
see keither way, Gailey said Jeff Levi los politicosos ah man. Okay,
So that's him, that's the bougele, that's the street politics,
(53:21):
all the stuff that we had to live through. What's
going on now now Alien Enemies Act from the seventeen hundreds,
early and early in Trump's presidency, he made a plan.
And like I told y'all when this man first got
in the office, like you need to take this man serious.
(53:41):
People always told me, like, you know, like I said
my brunching friends was like, n it's fine. The system.
I'm like, take this man serious. He does what he
say he gonna do, and right now he's doing all
the stuff he said he gonna do. So one of
those things was does designate gangs, specifically Latin American Central
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American gangs as terrorists? And if they're terrorists, then that
means their enemies of the state. And if their enemies
of the state, you can find a law like the
one from the seventeen hundreds called the Alien Enemies Act,
which means that I can guantanamoldbaties fools, what you mean,
(54:36):
what you mean do process? Like you mean is the attitude.
So the issue is, first of all, like we've covered before,
speak landing at the Abrego Garcia case, which is demand
(54:59):
is first of all, nobody knew he was gone. The
wife had to figure it out when she saw a
picture online. She saw the picture online and was like, uh,
he not supposed to get deported to El Salvadors. The
court's already said that. The American courts was like, yeah,
you're right, my bad, but he there anyway, whatever, right,
And They like, what the hell you mean he there? Anyway? Whatever,
(55:22):
go get this man. The courts was like, you need
to go get him if you wasn't supposed to. I
don't understand. You just said you wasn't supposed to deport him,
so go get him. They was like, the plane already
took off. The courts was like, my nigga, what the
plane already turned the plane around. They was like, well,
he's in custy the L Salvador. Now it's nothing I
canna do. They was like, are you serious? What the
hell is you talking about? Did he get any due process?
(55:45):
And they was like, well, he in need to because
the Alien Enemies Act. They was like, how does he
fit in? First of all, what the fuck are you
talking about? Number one? And then number two? Well, let's
ask the Supreme Court first about that, Like can this
man use the Alien Enemies Act? The Supreme Court was
like bet, it's cool. The lower courts was like, uh, okay, word,
(56:06):
but you just said you wasn't supposed to deport this man.
How come you can't go get him back? Well, he's
part of MS thirteen. They was like, oh, where how
do you know? He was like, uh, we heard it
from this fool over here, and they pointed some sort
of informant who had already been delegitimized. But they was like,
(56:27):
is that your only evidence? This man? It was like,
he got a tattoo. This nigga got a tattoo, So
that's he he a part of MS thirteen because he
got a tattoo. They was like, yeah, he. They was like, well,
how do you even did he get a where's his case?
(56:49):
And they was like, he don't get due process? Hey,
the Enemies Act. Now this is where the Supreme Court
does the Supreme Court thing. Remember we talk about the
Supreme Court offense and how it's not necessarily the case itself.
It's the bigger question what is this implication? And the
courts was like, wait a minute, I'm gonna get real
(57:14):
white on you right now. In the Constitution, when the
framers said citizen, they meant citizen. When they said persons,
they meant homo sapiens. Everybody, like, those phrases are purposeful,
Like they're not they're not being willy nilly with they words.
They mean like when I say citizen, I mean citizen.
(57:38):
So that's specifically like the president has to be a citizen.
But when we say persons, we mean listen, you a
homo sapien. Your toes touched our soil at some point.
These are certain inalienable rights that come from your creator.
Fam care about your own citizenship. You get due process
(58:03):
because that's not Listen, listen to what I'm telling you.
That's not who they are, because they're saying, we do
this because this is who we are. Like understand, let
me let me start cooking with y'all. It's not whether
the person is a criminal, a murderer, a child molester,
a citizen, a non citizen, na children, that's what they are.
(58:27):
This due process is not about what they are. It's
about what we are. This is who I am. Does
that make sense? Let me let me give you another
crude example. If that don't make sense to you. Listen,
I am of the era. You could call it whatever
(58:48):
you want, patriarchal, whatever, I am of the era that
under no circumstances should a man strike a woman. I'm
just I don't okay, war maybe, but in civilian life,
(59:08):
I don't care how violent this woman is being. I am.
It's not her, it's me. I am of I'm just
giving you an example, I am of the cloth, like
I will subdue you, I'll stop you from hurting me
or hurting any of mine. But I I don't, I can't.
(59:34):
There's no I just there's I'm not gonna strike a woman,
do you know what I'm saying. And it's not again
like I'm trying to give you an example of something
that that's not who she is, it's who I am.
I don't do that. So when the Constitution says stuff
like all persons, they're saying, no, this is who we
(59:56):
are as a nation. And the Supreme Court said unanimously
nine to zero, because this is who we are, we
give due process. You need to go get that man.
But it's not just about that man. It's about all
of the shit you're doing. You can't just in buguale
(01:00:19):
over here being like we make it bread because y'all
do whatever y'all want with y'all whatever. I'm just gonna
be here holl at you, boy man, saying whoever you want,
we got room cut. It's just what's happening here now
(01:00:43):
is the beginnings of what I keep trying to tell
y'all to be worried about. The first time, Remember I
told y'all what jad Vance was saying about, like do
we even need to listen to the courts? This is
what the liberals is trying to warn you about with
the constitutional crisis, because the thought is, if you don't
(01:01:04):
go get that man, we're gonna hold you in contempt.
How to hell do you hold an entire executive branch?
And who goes contempt as a fine? Somebody go to jail.
You're supposed to go to jail until you do the
thing that the court told you to do. Who gon
go to jail? President the d o J. Stephen Miller.
(01:01:29):
I hope Stephen Miller, But like who gonna pay the fine?
I don't know. It's getting real street out here, isn't
it politics? Y'all? All right now, don't you hit stop
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on this pod? You better listen to these credits. I
need you to finish this thing so I can get
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don't let nobody lie to you. If you understand urban living,
you understand politics. These people is not smarter than you.
We'll see y'all next week.
All the media. You forced to face it. I'm winning
ward fast. I don't remember the rap Hood Politics, you
face it. I'm goin in the course of patience, giving
reward the waiting list in the hooks, informing y'all my mission.
(00:23):
I'm clear on my mission. Yes, y'all, don't. I don't
remember my own rap. That's crazy. Did y'all know we
did like a whole? Like we didn't do a whole.
We only drop three of the seven songs we made
of the Hood Politics mixtape. I kind of don't know
what happened with that. Oh, I think we just got busy. Anyway,
what's up, y'all. I'm trying not to let my levels peak.
(00:44):
I apologize their matt Alsowski killing the beat softly. So
we're here and we want to run a rewinding selector
uh episode. Let me tell you why, because we already
did the work before I get to what exactly we're
(01:08):
gonna rewind about. Thank you for everybody who's been streaming
the music. You know the Passion Project joint on May sewid. Yeah,
we're dropping a song called Don't Mind Me with the
Hommi Shad who's been on the show. Shads are a
Canadian correspondent. And remember I told y'all he's like probably
he is now the greatest rapper in Canada period. You
(01:31):
caught the shade and yeah, songs called don't Mind Me,
so get ready for that. I ain't got no pre
save links or none of that, but there it is.
Now we're gonna rerun Los p de Adio because we
have to talk about Osalvador and Buguele. Now, what you're
(01:51):
going to here is an episode we did last year
about him and when he became the president of El
Salvador and what he did in relation to the cartels
and the street gangs that have been ravaging El Salvador
(02:12):
for so many years. The reason why it's so unique,
not unique, The reason why it's it's so interesting and
relative to us as and I'm saying this as far
as like our original use of this episode is because
it's so much like mass incarceration in America, the experience
(02:39):
that people of my graduating class experienced in terms of
like gang sweeps and like war on drugs and just
to sprinkle some crack on them era. Some of you
youngers may understand the he had a gun on him argument.
(03:01):
He was attacking me I felt unsafe. Argument we get
from the police which was like, well you made that up.
That was just your green light to treat us like animals.
And why it's so complicated and why it's so particularly
something that we wrestle with here is because I would
(03:24):
not wish the nineties on anyone in terms of our
experience with the La Street gangs, Like there were elements
that were super fun. Yes we created culture. Yes we
lived the way we lived. Yes we made some of
the dopest rap music you've ever heard in your life.
(03:45):
And yeah, there's a lot of adrenaline. It's pretty exhilarating,
don't get me wrong. It also wiped out a generation
of men who are here. It also had us going
to funerals as preteens. We're going to funerals before we
(04:07):
hit puberty of our friends, like the the the amount
of debt, like the the heightened like fight or flight
that you existed in at all times. That's why you
you know a lot of reasons why Yo gen X
big homies if they from where we from, are as
(04:28):
callous as they are because of what we went through.
And in the middle of that was the third biggest
and most powerful gang we all truly had to deal with,
which was LAPD And this clean up the streets attitude
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New York with the street sweepers like these, uh, I
mean just where two or more are gathered energy, there
are gangs in the midst you understand, like your your
your if you wore a Raiders hat, if you wore
you know, a hat backwards, a Rams hat. And you
(05:10):
know now nowadays, you know with these young lings that
had to do mean something, you know what I'm saying.
But like White Sox Raiders, Like I remember we couldn't
wear Raiders jerseys to school because they were gang affiliated.
You can't just be a fan of the Raiders. Your
your affiliation has to do with your the location that
you live in. I remember dudes getting off probation or
(05:32):
getting out and being on probation, they be on house
arrests and you have to go back to jail if
you consort with your neighborhood gang. I'm like, well, where
do you want me to live? That's that's my house,
Like a consorting with my cousin my own Like what
do you want me to do? My house? My granny
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house is the kickback? Like where like even if I'm
trying to be good. The squarest of people get swooped
up into that, and and the police don't ask questions,
they just you know, and and if you if you
not really about that life, you in a situation where
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I wish I was making these stories up where the
police would be like, give me something, I need something.
What's going on with your's neighborhood set. You're like, look, man,
I own gang bang. I don't have nothing to do
with that. And they'd be like, oh word, man, what's this.
They pull out a you know, a fitth a crack
or something or syringe. They're like, oh, man, I think
we found some drugs on you, and you like, you
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know you didn't you know that's not mine. I'm like,
hey man, we found it on you. Give me some information.
So you were like, what do you want me to do?
You want me to snitch? And then I remember I
had to be like, listen, dude, I'm telling you right now,
I'm gonna make something up because I truly don't know.
I like I listen, they would DJ quick and problem
(07:01):
or goes by Jason Martin now told this story, and
I'm telling you, like I if I'm lying, I'm flying.
This stuff is true. Police will pick you up, hem
you up for something, pretend like they found drugs on you,
put you in a squad car and drop you off
in your rival neighborhood and like and just feel like, Okay,
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well we're gonna let them do like this, Just this
level of cruelty that would even if you desired to
see your neighborhoods cleaned up, if you're gonna treat us
like this, I don't want no part of that. People
go in to prison, nice guys, and they come out
(07:44):
murderers because you have to survive. We had mandatory minimums,
like the eighteen to one laws, like all these things
that we existed in that were clearly, clearly just designed
to just get bodies off the streets. Will you take
that attitude and you move it out of LA and
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you make it into an entire country. And your grandma
and I am happy because she could finally walk to
the store, but in her being able to freely walk
to the store, her nephew got himed up, who was like,
is a schoolboy just a nerd? So this both guilty
(08:29):
and victims is a motif that as a person of color,
specifically in LA and graduating when I graduated, made this
Bougueli character be very familiar to us. We've experienced this.
I'm a victim of gang violence, you know what I'm saying.
But I'm also a victim of police overreach and brutality.
(08:56):
Is when it's like, does the is the solution? You know?
Is the is the medicine as bad as the disease
type beat? But you know Trump liked that He like
a man gung ho to just like do what you
gotta do, and I like a man who willing to
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just do whatever you need to do for the bread.
Right now, the story is I've heard you, sir, You've
heard his name before, Obago Garcia. He is one of
hundreds of people who are not from El Salvador, even
though he is or not, who have been deported now,
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whether they are victims of a mistake or actual gang
members due to this Alien Enemies Act, which what we'll
have to get into later, they didn't get any due process,
like you, there was no you. This is why on
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it can happen here. Mia keeps talking about black bagging
people because she talking about like this is how really
could get this is something that has existed in other
countries and it's happening here. We can just put a
(10:28):
black bag on them and send them somewhere. I don't
care where. Not here and where has brought well Gaile
into our news cycle again. So we're gonna talk about
his background and then I'm gonna come back at the
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end and talk about the Supreme Court stuff. Right now,
all right, blessing all the sessions every time that the
class D. I won't hold you, but I tried to
hold you. Give me tween minutes and some of hitming
you today Gemmicks a person revolutionary school and all you're
going to boyd, I laughed, Vato like follow me, y'a'm
a boy thing. Got skiing on. That's what I'm being on.
(11:10):
I being going that what's so food? Where you votos
from me? A sock jack homie today this episode, I
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don't know if I'll relate to anything more closer than
the narrative of this story. Bog like a a l
Vato audio. This is full el President and they el
half a bougee Bogeli that food down to the ground
day he out here sock checking food. Sock Jack Homie,
(11:54):
you don't know what the sock check is. You don't
know enough Atos. This is the El Salvador episod so
about President Bugle because there's this is the convergence, the
literal convergence of gang life and politics. The parallels in
my life. One the things that I personally experienced, because
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the origin story of this was here La, specifically the
part of La that I was around, y'all know, I'll
talk about all the time I grow with Atos.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
This.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I've never felt more equipped to talk about a topic
than this was. And even what he what we're actually
going to talk about later on in the show is
like it was he it was the nineties like this was.
I've never felt more equipped to talk about this anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Bogaile said, SoC check, homie hood, politics, no, no, no, no,
you know what los politicosvidio and.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay, when dame A kick it creaky, listen this episode
on some r lebo call in our A. I want
to send and dedicate this song through Mayavado Creeper. Keep
your head up. I am your buppet and your baby
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side ice. She will always stay down for you. And
then you play the song I wish y'all knew about
the r le Bow calling hour. It was he just
passed away. And this white man became such an important
part to l a street culture, uh specifically Latino culture,
because he would play like oldies, these like old soul
(13:49):
songs and foods, would call in and dedicate songs to
like their loved ones, and most of the time it
be loved ones they had locked up. It's a very
l a thing. Rest in peace, Arleba. This episode of politics,
we have to talk about that. We have to talk
about El Salvador and President Buglee and it's there is
a layer of complication that I want to lay out,
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but you got to understand the history and the context
and why I feel so connected to this. Early nineties,
there was a civil war that news flashed. America played
a big role in having to do with El Salvador
had a gentry, wealthy landowners who essentially ran the country
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and was the government was just like basically their toys.
America played a role in this, which again needs its
whole other topic. But all that to say that started
bringing El Salvadorans fleeing El Salvador, some getting exiled, some
getting deported, some fleeing to America and where they came
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was MacArthur Park. MacArthur Park is now let me talk
gentrified CALLI to try to tie this up for you.
First of all, MacArthur Park was where the radiotron existed,
like if you remember the movies Breaking and Breaking to
Electric Boogaloo. It was the first like early eighties hip
hop spot was at the radiotron, and the radiotron was
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a MacArthur Park. Later on, MacArthur Park, because of like
I said, what was going on in our society, became
the hub of the El Salvadorian community. They landed right
in the area next to Pico Union, which is right
next to Echo Park. And then and then to the
east of them is like downtown La. Downtown La has
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my child. It was basically a no man's land like
it's It was like blade Runner over there until La
Live and all that stuff and then it got all hit.
But before that, nobody went to Downtown La. But east
of it, I mean, but west of it, you know,
you would have, like I said, you have MacArthur Park,
Wiltshire District, Korea Town. All of that was going west.
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So that's like kind of north of like I said,
I am from originally south central. This is all north
of the ten Freeway separates north and south, and then
the one ten freeway separates east and west. So this
is northwest of downtown. Now next to that is Peaco Union,
which is liam Vatoland. North of them is Echo Park.
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You remember the movie. You probably don't remember the movie,
but me Vi I Loka Echo Park now is where
you could do goat yoga because it's completely gentrified, right
next to historic Filipino Town, which was like also, these
were gang territories that were already organized, borders were set,
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everybody knew what it was. Cemit was settled, the Salvadorians
came here. And the sense is, what's so different about
My wife brought this up, what's so different about the
Asian It's I hate saying it like this, but the
Asian experience and the Latino experience is and my wife
has made this mistake before. You. The more you hang
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around Asian people, you could tell they you could tell
they don't look alike like and but they all have
their same language, they all have their they all have
different languages Korean, Japanese, Cantonese, Mandarin. So because Asia wasn't
colonized in the way that Central in South America was.
They all speak Spanish, right, so there's a shared give
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or take some Portuguese. There's a shared like language among
the Latino diaspora, you know, give or take a few
indigenous folks, but they all speak Spanish. And you could
take the most hardened, the most Azilain Mexicano and they
can't tell you the difference. They can't look at the
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Thesalvadorian coast Rican and look at them and say they
you can't tell by their look. You're going to talk
about their accent and when they tell you unless there
are certain tell tale signs. There are certain characteristics, certain
ways you carry yourself, certain way you understand that are
culturally because these are in fact different countries in different cultures. Right. So,
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but when they got here, y'all all spoke span it. Now,
by the time they got here, you have to remember
the Mexican American. First of all, there was such thing
as a Mexican a Chicano. We didn't already had Chikano movie.
We didn't have the Zutsu Riots, we didn't have the
brown berets like they have established themselves as a part
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of America for decades because remember California was Mexico, so
they've been here. Now, as far as the street life,
these these rules are already established. There was already a
gang in MacArthur Park. It's eighteenth Street b Seolcho, like
one of the most notorious street gangs in the world. Now,
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the difference to between crips and bloods and Black gang
banging and the Mexican gang banging is there's a set hierarchy.
Everyone you lim runs it, which is the Mexican mafia.
The prison thing. They they run the shit. Now it
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might be different now you know what I'm saying, because
not in that life, but the general understanding is no
matter what you guys are doing on the streets, everybody
pays liam because that's how a product gets here. The
Coyotes comany bringing away from Mexico, you tap in with
the mafia. The Mexican mafia, they run it. Reverend comes
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through the jail, they call the shots. There's a hierarchy.
You don't kill nobody unless you get the word. It's
much more like a mafia. The street warshit it's like,
of course it happens, of course because you get hotheads,
but like they not like crips and bloods we are.
They have a corporate structure, if you will. And black folks,
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we bought our drugs from the Mexican You bought our
drugs from the essays from you know, if you was
back east, you say from the Spanish dudes, that's who
you bought it from. Paco Paco. Paco got you to
wait when the l Salvadorians got here. There is you
have to remember among the Latino community, there is a
little bit of anti this and that sentiment among each other.
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Mexicans traditionally don't really get along with El Salvadorians the
matter of fact, there's like some prejudice there that like
don't really they don't really mess with them. They have
like derogatory names for Salvadorians, you know, in the same
way that now listen, I'm not saying this in on
the eye horse. And same way black people have about Africa,
the same way Caribbeans, Caribbean people have about Africans, the
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way Africans have about American black people, like we have
our own self hate in the community. They don't necessarily
get along. So you got people who were fighting in
a civil war in El Salvador against each other. Once
they get here, oh we arm in arm. We all
we got. See that's how the immigrant population work. When
you get to a place and you realize like, oh shit,
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were the only ones that we all we got is
us And you jump into a place that is so
racially charged as is America as a whole, let alone California.
And when they got here in the nineties, this is
this is the height when they got here. So you
landed in a place that was already violent, with an
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already established rules where even your own rasa doesn't they
not even messing with you. So they was like, well shit,
they formed their own hood and mess thirteen Maltruca. So
they formed their own gang. And the difference between them,
at least from our perspective, or as in black people,
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serffence between them and like the vathos we were used to.
The vatos, we were used to again they had a
code and we was in business together. You stayed at
a turf. We stayed at a turf. They stayed at ours.
Like I kid you not the city I live in now.
I never came here. We black people, we were not allowed.
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I just and It was understood this was they hood.
You you better lead them about those alone. They take
that shit like I was seen as a threat. They
took it very silly. I came over here for a
few parties and learned quickly I'm not welcome over here.
The only person black people over here in this city
was will I Am because he was born in this
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part of town. But fam we didn't come. And as
far as like the street stuff, it was just understood,
this was they world. We were in business together. How
was we supposed to know the difference between a Mexican
and a l Salvadorian, which created an issue. We was
in business, but I can't tell the difference. You beefed
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in jail like the war, and shit happened in jail.
The turf was the street shit that happened. But like
Cris was more worried about other black people, was more
worried about other cripsets, other bloods. We was more worried
about that vothos. You just left them alone, like you're on,
won't fuck with them. They had their own shit, and
whenever we had classes, it was bad, I mean bad.
Long Beach probably got it the worst. Essentially, we an
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should to do with that. That's y'all shit. We as
in black people until it came to business because our
Salvador figured out, well, for Columbia to get to Mexico,
you got to go throughout Salvador, and they figured out
black people can't tell the difference between us. You assert
yourself in the supply chain. All you know is Wan
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Carlo pulled up with the weight and then Miguel Rodriguez
pulled up and he like, I got your way. You
like what nigga got, you already bought it, bought it
from who. I don't know, your homeboy one cars meigg
I don't know. So then now Mexican's mad at us
because they feel like we cheating and through y'all just
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walked off with a couple hundred bands and now they beefing,
they like, and now they mad at Now they mad
at the Mexicans, and now they's that's they thing we like.
I mean, nigga, I don't know, like y'all get y'all,
y'all all the same to us, nigga racism. But it
became a thing like MS. Thirteen put they and they
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were so terrifying and niggas walked around with machetes. I'm
not kidding machetes, but that's because yeah, in Central America,
that's pretty normal, you know what I'm saying, Like you
cutting down trees number one and then number two. Like
I said, the difference between I didn't get to this point,
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but the difference between the two was like like I said,
the the Vathos were they was very organized, they had
a they had a corporate way of running things. Salvadorians
were brawlers, they were machette just the level of I
I cannot stress the MS thirteen. I know there's a
lot of like political propaganda, pun intended, all this extras
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that they be putting on it because they doing it
because they're racist. I'm doing it because I was here
fam Man Truca MS thirteen stayed a hell out they
way and thirteen different is Saudeniel like different than Northaniel,
which is like which was Thoris. It's or they got there,
they got their rules, like the Latinos got their rules.
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It's a little different. But Thrucha MS thirteen they had
something to prove because it was so few of them,
and you stepping into a system that like there's no
work there's no help. They just realized that, like, oh shit,
America's racist. You just think I'm They've probably been called
they were called Mexican probably everywhere they went, you know
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what I'm saying. So for them, they was like, I mean,
what are we supposed to do? And these as kids
who was fighting in civil wars, you know when you
come from a war torn third world country. That's why,
like didn't nobody mess with the Cambodians, didn't bight mess
with them Micronesian you know what I'm saying. Like when
them Asian gangs started coming over here, it was like Nigga,
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they fight armies, so like their level of violence is
so different than ours, Like it's violent, but it's like,
oh fam they they used to fight in military anyway,
Marucha Like it was like Soword Machette broad Daylight. Like
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they just were the I cannot under I can't overstate
how violent they were as a gang. Bad Okay. Now
what happened next was the Great Deportation. When the War
on Drugs and the gang injunction started happening in California,
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food started to get deported. Now we were mean black
people was facing mass incarceration. A lot of the Mexicans
were facing mass incarceration because we live here, we were,
we're you know, multi generational, we've been here forever. If
you get deported, nigga, you get deported. And they was
dropping them out, Salvadorians off by the bus back. You
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think deportation is crazy. Now they was rounding them niggas
up and sending them home. Then Vothos was getting sent
home full where and what they did when they got
home was exactly what happened with black people when they
got sent off to live with their aunties in the South.
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Explain that after this break, all right, we're back. I
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have very distinct memories of because I'm an old being
on three way on the phone with you know, a
little girls. I was trying to holler Ad and some
of the hummies whatever. We would be asking about one
of the friends that we just ain't seen in a while.
I think I may have told this story before on
(28:25):
the show, but like this was a normal interaction where
we would be like, am I seeing Andre? What was up? Andre?
And Andre went to go spend the summer in Arkansas
or Memphis or Atlanta with his auntie or he had
to go live with his grandma, and then he'd have
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to stay why because he was getting in trouble. Once
you hit age of recruitment out here your best bet,
a lot of families decided they would just send they
boys away, go live with your auntie. It's too violent
out here, right. You starting to make bad decisions. Man,
They gonna like, you're gonna go out there worked in
fields and really realize what's going on. You get sent
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to Oklahoma, You get sent to all these hotbeds Okay,
see Tulsa, all these cities where before the Great Migration
where we came from, we got sent back to stay
with the aunties. Now we would have it also like
the Latino homies. It would be more like they'd have
to go work. It would be the middle of the
year and they'd have to go to Mexico to work
with their grandpa. Then they would be back. You know
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what I'm saying. But you just had to go work
a field, and you just had to go back. They
needed money. You're a thea needs money, so you have
to go down there at work. That's just what it
was with us, though I can say distinctly purposefully, we
were sent off to try to avoid the gang life.
And for us out here in Cali, that person would
cease to exist, like they would just fall off the
phases of the earthly. I don't really are, it's just
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it's done, like you just never think about them again,
like they were gone. And I never connected the dots
because in Kansas City there's a neighborhood crypt there's a
Rolling sixty gang. There's neighborhood in OKC. In Tulsa there's bloods.
There's all these neighborhoods. There's all these hoods to playboy gangsters,
all these sixties twenties photies, all these things that are
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named after actual streets in California. It's called Rolling sixties
because that's they were in the sixtieth blocks, Jo said.
And then you'd find them, and I, for the life
of me, could not understand, like why y'all got gangs
named after California streets, Nigga, it's the kids that got
sent off when we was in middle school. They just
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went there and got it cracking and started creating sets
in their neighbor and they could run. You'd run. You
were kings. You came from this place where you learned
all the game everything you needed to do because you
had to survive where you were. You just went out
there and you just ruled the world. They had it
an app been on a microcosm in America in California suburbs. Yo, Yo, mama,
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get a house, get get a tax return, you move
out to the burbs. Oh you like, oh, I'm gonna
run this, do you know what I'm saying? Until somebody
else's family from Long Beach or something get get a
tax returned. They go out there and then and that
nigga just as thorough as you are, like, uh, now
we got issues. But it was such a normal occurrences.
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I remember that there was a documentary in the Knights
called Banging in Little Rock. Could not wrap my main
my mind around Little Rock, Arkansas having gangs until at
a full groun adult I was like, oh, yeah, we
exported it. We would get sent off. And then they
didn't fall off the face of the earth. They lived
there and started hoods. I don't know why I ever
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thought about that. That's what happened else Aalvadore. They went
out there and they got active. And when they got active,
you have to remember they got active without any constraints
of any cribs, bloods or any other or any other
cholos May eighteen Street. Nobody was over there, Florence thirteen.
Nobody was there. It was they world and they world.
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It was good God. They went out there sod checking
fools left and right. And here's the thing. I'm not
even gonna explain what a sock check is. Sock check
on me because if you know, you know thusave I
know how counterintuitive this sounds, but in some ways, when
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there's no system of checks and balances, even among gang life,
you think the violence happens, of course because of like
rivalries and stuff like that. But if there's no system
and you can just run the thing, then the lick
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becomes just the people, like you're just the citizens, because
there's no time the gang wars evolved because somebody is
gonna be like, well, I don't have to just listen
to you, nigga, I live over here. That can make
this my neighborhood, right, somebody else get deported from five
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years later and they start their own set. But before that,
it's like the people that live there become your playing field,
and they're not inoculated. They don't have the germs. They
don't have the germs. They don't have the white blood
cells to be able to inoculate themselves, to defend themselves
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in any way, because that's this isn't what they're This
isn't the types of diseases they're used to. This gang shit,
the gang shit in El Salvador was born in Los Angeles,
like it's not. It's not local grown. It was born
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in La So it's not they're not used to. They
don't have You don't have the immune system for that.
So them foods was running them streets, I mean running
them like I mean you put La Chicago, Atlanta, just
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wrap it all in one. They was running them streets.
It was bro because milk we miy just like bad.
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Now it's funny me doing this because I'm using all
like Mexican slang. It is like, I mean, you called
me on it, of course, but like bro, it was
through child's like I thought you wouldn't believe what they
saw anyway, it was bad. I can relate to the
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feelings of feeling like you're this is an open air prison,
like you're you're held hostage in your own neighborhood. I
can personally relate to that, like rules were very clear.
There's parts of neighborhoods you just don't go to. It's
grocery stores, directions walking home like you have to walk
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home a whole other route. There's family members you can't
go visit because it's like you ain't allowed in that hood. Man,
y'all think I'm exaggerating, Like, man, I need to bring
somebody else on this show, like who lived through this
that can avouch for what I'm telling you. When I
tell you could not go to certain areas, it's like
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you you could not go. It's what do you mean
you can't go? It's a free country. I'm allowed to go. Okay,
try it. Go ahead, drive over there. See what happens.
I personally had family that lived in Compton that I
didn't visit until they left Compton and it we weren't
allowed over there. And Salvador was living through this until
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this young gen z Cusp millennial comes and starts socks
checking foods. All right, all right, now we're gonna get
to the meat of this after this break. All right,
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we're back sock check, homie. The higher the sides, the
down there, the food Brad lame jack live. Never snitch
on your homies in respect your head. I keep it
through chin all right anyway, Sorry dog, So this gen
z cuss for millennial naimbu gele upper middle class dude,
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Palestinian immigrant moves over to Al Salvador with his family,
gets his start around thirty years old. And he was
a publicist. Right, so you're talking about a dude gets
on the camera, hat to the back, young understands social media,
knows how to talk that talk, understands TikTok. Like just
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next generation. The guy for now decides to get into politics,
becomes the mayor of a small town you know, on
the outskirts, eventually becomes the mayor of the capital city,
San Salvador, and then runs for president in twenty eighteen.
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And when he runs for president, you got I remember
again he a young buck. You got this like the
literal opposite problem of what we got in America. What
John Stewart say, man needs to have set the record
for being the oldest two people to ever run for president,
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only breaking the record by four years set by them
four years ago. Just didn't gay the opposite, young buck, right,
new blood understands the world. You know, he was educated
in a bilingual school. So he come from like I said,
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like not poverty, not well, just middle class, upper middle
class educated, you know, and he real slick and he
runs being like nigga, I'm different, I'm stop checking foods.
I'm tired of this shit, okay. And this is when
the story becomes super familiar. Y'all don't know about the
(39:06):
New York street sweepers, and for CALLI, the gang injunctions,
and the gang injunctions kind of work like this, like
you get if it was if you was black and brown,
you were standing on a corner and it was molding
more than one of y'all, it's a gang. If y'all
had matching shoes, matching whatever it is, you're in a
(39:28):
gang according to the law. So they would run up
on you, and you know, it would move from like
loitering again to gang activity because what was happening was
so intense in LA like the police, as corrupt as
they might have been, or as desperate as the community
might have been. If you got swept, if you got
(39:50):
swept up, you got swept up. They didn't ask questions,
they didn't look. If it was two of y'all, it's
a gang. You could be like, dude, we're nerdy as hell,
y'all a gang if you if they if they if
they recognized a jersey, a street, a jersey you were wearing,
like if you just happen to be wearing a Dolphins jersey.
(40:10):
All that's thirteenth Street, y'all said, like, or that's twelfth Street,
like you down there, you down there in Pomona, like you,
you know what I'm saying, Like you was with them?
You feel me like you they No matter what a tattoo,
a street name, whatever it is, if it was something
that they could recognize as a gang thing, no questions asked.
You getting swept up, you going into the paddy wagon, Right,
(40:32):
it was a gang injunctions, right, you would get a
gang uptick. Like for example, if let's just say, you
know you you you know you did breaking an entery,
just some sort of like or some sort of petty
crime like your grand theft autoor, whatever the case may be. Right,
you was just joy writing. If they could tie you
to a known gang, that crime would get what's called
a gang uptick, meaning it's an extra five or it
(40:55):
or the act becomes a felony. A misdemeanor can become
a felony because of the gang uptick. Right, A lot
of times what would happen is kids would just be
regular ass kids, you know what I'm saying, Maybe maybe
committing you know, petty crimes here and there, just trying
to be cool with the homies. You go to jail,
(41:16):
you go to juvie, and you joined the gang in juvie, right,
So it created a bigger problem, you understand what I'm saying.
In New York, they would have a street sweepers. Again,
like if you was just if you were standing outside
and it was more than y'all everybody getting swept up.
I'm not asking no questions where we are cleaning up
(41:38):
our streets? Now? That was us as black and brown
boys being the being the victims of this. On the
other hand, we were also victims of the violence. I
said it, I said it so many times, and I'm
gonna say it again in this in this episode, I
cannot stress enough how wild the streets were then, like
(42:04):
we were held hostage. Like in a lot of ways,
I could say we were both. I said it on
the song Gentrify on my own record, we were both
guilty and victims. Like because the the roving hordes of
violent youth that was holding us hostage were us. They
were our friends, those were our cousins. And part of
(42:24):
it was because you needed protection from the other roving
violent hordes of dude, you know what I'm saying, Like
it was us. It's complicated. So the old ladies who
can't go to their neighborhood liquor store, do you understand
what I'm saying. The people that was causing that problem,
was they sons, Was they grandchildren or they friends' grandchildren.
(42:45):
So if you came home, you was just like Meho,
I can't even go to the store. No more fools
will be like you. Somebody tell you. Somebody tell yo, y'all, Well,
like yo, grandma telling you she getting sweated at the store. Oh, nigga,
it's up you, not Fina swept my. Oh. So it's
like we were you, we were held hostage. You don't
(43:08):
go to the police because they just another gang. Like
I said, they sweeping us up and throwing us into jail.
They're not asking questions. Well, Gayle ran on this idea
that like El Salvador, you're you're under and in a
lot of ways. It's true, you're under an occupation. The
occupation is just these fifas of gangs, y'all, y'all under occupation.
(43:32):
He like, I'm gonna clean this shit up. I'm not
asking questions. You can't you can't. You can't play games
with these people. You have to demoralize them. And as
the people of El Salvador, they like, I'm tired of
this shit, you right, like we're tired of this. This
man know how to talk. He young, dead, sexy, and
(43:52):
he talked that talk. He like, ob look, I'm not
afraid of y'all gangsters. I'm gangster too, Nigga, like, I'm
I'm with the shits. You need to hire somebody, You
need to elect somebody that's with the shits. And with
the shits he was. And within two years this man
absolutely decimated. I'm talking about the fact that, like you know,
how like we talk about like the Mob and the
(44:12):
Sopranos and shit like that, how it's like this is
nothing like it used to be. Of course it exists,
in of course, the mob exists, but not like it did.
The mob got decimated. Like while I'm talking that, he
absolutely destroyed the El Salvador and a lot of times
(44:36):
look on once. This is why this is a hood
politics episode, because on one side of this, on one
side of the corner, you're like, good, nigga, we're free. Man.
Fuck y'all out here extorting our grandma's like killing your
own people, dividing this city up. Man, we held hostage, Like, nah, man,
I got no love for y'all. You know what I'm saying,
(44:57):
Like you could, like you could you pointing out people
like I done lost friend, his family, cousins, sisters, brothers.
You understand what I'm saying, Like I'm trying to open
a stupid little pin, Nadia, right, you understand what I'm saying.
You you taking sixty percent of my Like, nah, I
got no it's no love loss. He would he would
have him boys like look like dehumanizing them and the
(45:19):
attitude is what they dehumanized us. Have them, have them
lined up in the in the jail and they draws
tied up one by one, being like, look now, now,
who the g now? Who the dawn? You laying out
here in your draws? You're trying to like, nah, fam,
we not playing this shit no more. Y'all are done
(45:41):
fuck you and what you going through? You know what
I'm saying, fuck your dad, homies, Like I don't give
a shit about none of y'all. You didn't y'all, y'all
been terrorizing us too long. I'm done. And on one hand,
it's like Nigga finally right in some senses, like, look,
I'm a slap of Nazi. I'm a slap of Nazi
in the face type dude, Like, I get it. Sometimes
(46:03):
you gotta shut this shit down, you feel me. And
the only way to talk to somebody that's violent is
with violence. I get it. I'm not a pacifist. And
how do you respond to people that got no code? You? Like,
are you worried about the moral high ground? Like is
that really what we're worried about? It's like niggas is
(46:24):
dying in the streets this like this is I'm tired
of this shit. Y'all killing each other and we're all
and we're dying too. Like it'd be one thing if
it was just y'all shooting at each other. But even
if it's y'all, y'all is us you are, These are
our sons, these are our daughters. Yourself saying so like
there's no separation between them and us. They are us.
(46:48):
But this shit needs to stop, bro, And he was like,
give me two years, and he did it. Now. On
the other hand, the question is about how. And again
this is why I relate to it. He was dudes
(47:09):
would get wrapped up with no due process, and like
with the you couldn't whether you was involved, affiliated or not.
They're like, we'll sort them out later. So it's stories
all over our Salvador of people being like I haven't
seen my nephew ever since the cops picked them up.
(47:30):
They just make up charges and they hold them without
due process. They're not telling them what's going on. And
if you just get caught up, you get caught up.
Whether you have an affiliation or not, it don't matter.
They're like, we'll figure it out later. When you're cleaning
the streets with the power with the super soaker, you
(47:50):
know what I'm saying, Like they're just getting the biggest
net possible and just swooping everybody out of the streets
and being like, look, it's clean, and if you get
caught up, you get caught up. He has not shown
any concern in whether somebody gets accidentally swooped up into
this or not. You shouldn't have been over there, that's
(48:11):
the attitude. You shouldn't have been outside. And even if
you not involved, I know, you know somebody that's involved,
your brother involved, your cousin involved. It's impossible. It's like
and that is another thing that I get. If you
swept me up, I don't gang bang at all. I'm
not affiliated all. Matter of fact, I'm running from these niggas.
But if you swept me up and ask me if
(48:35):
I know actively, I'm like, well, absolutely, of course I do. Listen,
this is these were the rules. If you get swept up.
Let's just say you get involved. You know they got
your little tattoos on file, because that's what they do
to take pictures of your tattoos. They see you got a
tattoo that matches some other stuff. Now you involved in
that hood. Right, Let's just say you get out on
(48:57):
probation or you out on parole. A part of the
rules for your probation or your parole is you cannot
associate with any known gang activity, any known gang affiliates.
The problem is you're sending me back to my house
(49:18):
and you're like, well, it's my father is known gang,
my physical brother, like my first cousin, my auntie, Like
I live at the Kickback. So even if I'm trying
to like this just where I live. I like, even
if I don't want to be a part of this,
(49:39):
like it's just where I live. I don't know. I
don't know what I'm supposed to say. If the po
post see you, they let's say, they run a raid
or they pull somebody over whatever in your neighborhood. They
see you over there, you done broke your probation rules.
Now you're going back. It's people in El Salvador that
feel like, we don't know if this solution is worth
(50:04):
to squeeze, the juice is worth to squeeze. It's like,
you have a rodent problem, and the solution that the
exterminator brings is a bomb. He's like, well, clear, clear,
I killed all the rodents. And it's like, but you
(50:25):
you blew up the house. Well, all my plants are
dead too, and so is our pet. Like you like,
but the rodents are gone. What do you say to that? Well,
you know what else out of doors said is it's
(50:45):
the cost of play because they re elected him, and
when you do people a favor like that, especially if
you're not afraid of taking the blowbacks. It's like I said,
it's family members that still ain't seen they family members,
it's been three years. They just swooped them up and
they're like you he in jail now, no no court case,
(51:06):
no charge. It's just you a part of the gangs,
like nigga. No I'm not, Yes, you are that. There's
cases like that all over Ol Salvador. So then the people,
the people believe in you, and and what do you
do this for you? I did this for the said,
I did it for the hood. I did it for
Al Salvador. You can declare a sort of martial law
(51:30):
in a way that says, you want me to clean
these streets up. You gotta let me not worry about
y'all's human and individual rights right now. And some of
the pushback with this bro is like, that's a that's
a creep towards fascism because you're getting the job done
for for the fatherland at all costs. And what you're
(51:52):
gonna what y'all gonna say, I cleaned your streets up?
You want to go back? You ain't like my way
that my ways worked and I mean, why would you
say anything to him if you know that you can
get caught up in his drag net? And that's it.
(52:14):
I mean, that was the LAPD for us. Look, you
get caught up, you got if you get caught up,
you get caught up. You know. And of course we
fought back against police brutality and stuff like that. But granted,
this isn't Los Angeles, is not the nation of El Salvador.
(52:36):
It's not necessarily one to one. But what I'm saying
is I understand the complications. I have no love for
for the beasts, of course, but I will tell you this.
I currently live in a part of town I wouldn't
allowed to even visit. That's kind of nice. So we'll
(52:59):
see keither way, Gailey said Jeff Levi los politicosos ah man. Okay,
So that's him, that's the bougele, that's the street politics,
(53:21):
all the stuff that we had to live through. What's
going on now now Alien Enemies Act from the seventeen hundreds,
early and early in Trump's presidency, he made a plan.
And like I told y'all when this man first got
in the office, like you need to take this man serious.
(53:41):
People always told me, like, you know, like I said
my brunching friends was like, n it's fine. The system.
I'm like, take this man serious. He does what he
say he gonna do, and right now he's doing all
the stuff he said he gonna do. So one of
those things was does designate gangs, specifically Latin American Central
(54:12):
American gangs as terrorists? And if they're terrorists, then that
means their enemies of the state. And if their enemies
of the state, you can find a law like the
one from the seventeen hundreds called the Alien Enemies Act,
which means that I can guantanamoldbaties fools, what you mean,
(54:36):
what you mean do process? Like you mean is the attitude.
So the issue is, first of all, like we've covered before,
speak landing at the Abrego Garcia case, which is demand
(54:59):
is first of all, nobody knew he was gone. The
wife had to figure it out when she saw a
picture online. She saw the picture online and was like, uh,
he not supposed to get deported to El Salvadors. The
court's already said that. The American courts was like, yeah,
you're right, my bad, but he there anyway, whatever, right,
And They like, what the hell you mean he there? Anyway? Whatever,
(55:22):
go get this man. The courts was like, you need
to go get him if you wasn't supposed to. I
don't understand. You just said you wasn't supposed to deport him,
so go get him. They was like, the plane already
took off. The courts was like, my nigga, what the
plane already turned the plane around. They was like, well,
he's in custy the L Salvador. Now it's nothing I
canna do. They was like, are you serious? What the
hell is you talking about? Did he get any due process?
(55:45):
And they was like, well, he in need to because
the Alien Enemies Act. They was like, how does he
fit in? First of all, what the fuck are you
talking about? Number one? And then number two? Well, let's
ask the Supreme Court first about that, Like can this
man use the Alien Enemies Act? The Supreme Court was
like bet, it's cool. The lower courts was like, uh, okay, word,
(56:06):
but you just said you wasn't supposed to deport this man.
How come you can't go get him back? Well, he's
part of MS thirteen. They was like, oh, where how
do you know? He was like, uh, we heard it
from this fool over here, and they pointed some sort
of informant who had already been delegitimized. But they was like,
(56:27):
is that your only evidence? This man? It was like,
he got a tattoo. This nigga got a tattoo, So
that's he he a part of MS thirteen because he
got a tattoo. They was like, yeah, he. They was like, well,
how do you even did he get a where's his case?
(56:49):
And they was like, he don't get due process? Hey,
the Enemies Act. Now this is where the Supreme Court
does the Supreme Court thing. Remember we talk about the
Supreme Court offense and how it's not necessarily the case itself.
It's the bigger question what is this implication? And the
courts was like, wait a minute, I'm gonna get real
(57:14):
white on you right now. In the Constitution, when the
framers said citizen, they meant citizen. When they said persons,
they meant homo sapiens. Everybody, like, those phrases are purposeful,
Like they're not they're not being willy nilly with they words.
They mean like when I say citizen, I mean citizen.
(57:38):
So that's specifically like the president has to be a citizen.
But when we say persons, we mean listen, you a
homo sapien. Your toes touched our soil at some point.
These are certain inalienable rights that come from your creator.
Fam care about your own citizenship. You get due process
(58:03):
because that's not Listen, listen to what I'm telling you.
That's not who they are, because they're saying, we do
this because this is who we are. Like understand, let
me let me start cooking with y'all. It's not whether
the person is a criminal, a murderer, a child molester,
a citizen, a non citizen, na children, that's what they are.
(58:27):
This due process is not about what they are. It's
about what we are. This is who I am. Does
that make sense? Let me let me give you another
crude example. If that don't make sense to you. Listen,
I am of the era. You could call it whatever
(58:48):
you want, patriarchal, whatever, I am of the era that
under no circumstances should a man strike a woman. I'm
just I don't okay, war maybe, but in civilian life,
(59:08):
I don't care how violent this woman is being. I am.
It's not her, it's me. I am of I'm just
giving you an example, I am of the cloth, like
I will subdue you, I'll stop you from hurting me
or hurting any of mine. But I I don't, I can't.
(59:34):
There's no I just there's I'm not gonna strike a woman,
do you know what I'm saying. And it's not again
like I'm trying to give you an example of something
that that's not who she is, it's who I am.
I don't do that. So when the Constitution says stuff
like all persons, they're saying, no, this is who we
(59:56):
are as a nation. And the Supreme Court said unanimously
nine to zero, because this is who we are, we
give due process. You need to go get that man.
But it's not just about that man. It's about all
of the shit you're doing. You can't just in buguale
(01:00:19):
over here being like we make it bread because y'all
do whatever y'all want with y'all whatever. I'm just gonna
be here holl at you, boy man, saying whoever you want,
we got room cut. It's just what's happening here now
(01:00:43):
is the beginnings of what I keep trying to tell
y'all to be worried about. The first time, Remember I
told y'all what jad Vance was saying about, like do
we even need to listen to the courts? This is
what the liberals is trying to warn you about with
the constitutional crisis, because the thought is, if you don't
(01:01:04):
go get that man, we're gonna hold you in contempt.
How to hell do you hold an entire executive branch?
And who goes contempt as a fine? Somebody go to jail.
You're supposed to go to jail until you do the
thing that the court told you to do. Who gon
go to jail? President the d o J. Stephen Miller.
(01:01:29):
I hope Stephen Miller, But like who gonna pay the fine?
I don't know. It's getting real street out here, isn't
it politics? Y'all? All right now, don't you hit stop
(01:02:00):
on this pod? You better listen to these credits. I
need you to finish this thing so I can get
the download numbers. Okay, so don't stop it yet, but listen.
This was recorded in East Lost Boyle Heights by your
boy Propaganda. Tap in with me at prop hip hop
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(01:02:21):
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(01:02:46):
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Politics is a member of cool Zone Media, Executive produced
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Your theme music and scoring is also by the one
and nobly mattow Sowski. Still killing the beats softly, So listen,
(01:03:08):
don't let nobody lie to you. If you understand urban living,
you understand politics. These people is not smarter than you.
We'll see y'all next week.
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