June 25, 2021 • 42 mins
Should Dean have kissed Rory like that in aisle 3 right by the ant spray?
Was Dean out of line when he took his turn to talk back with Lorelai?
There's "kissing" and we're "telling" what we think!
Is Scott Team Dean??? I don't think soooooo.....
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in, kiss you, I am all in
with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody,
(00:22):
Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast I Heart Radio.
We are going to recap Kiss and Tell episode seven,
season one. I am joined by the illustrious Amy Sugarman
uh and that's Riley and Danielle are with us on
board as well. So I didn't like my acting in
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this episode. I gotta be honest with you. I didn't
like it. Really, I didn't. I didn't um what did
you think was wrong? I don't know. I think it
was just a little too angry, little over the top.
And you know, I'm still finding the character, you know
what I mean. And I just I just really, this
is why I don't like to watch myself, and this
was it was unpleasant for me less really you were.
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You were particularly grumpy, But I didn't know. I didn't
think it was over the time, something with this guy
like jeez, you hate you obviously hate Thanksgiving. Yeah, you know,
I don't know, but it's but maybe Docie brings out
that grouchiness in Luke. Maybe you played it right. I
don't know. I don't think so. I think there's another
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way to go. I gotta beat my own credit here.
I just I'm calling the acting police on myself. I
did not like. Yeah, I didn't like what I did.
I didn't like what I did. I didn't like what
I did with Lauren either. At the table when I
can you mean the scene we've the scene we reenacted
in the last episode. I approached that scene. No, I
gotta call. I gotta throw a flag on that one.
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I gotta give myself a red card, like get off
the pitch. You know, what did you think when Docie Taylor?
Docie called you young man? Thought that was kind of
interesting because he's definitely didn't he know Luke's father, maybe,
and he's definitely holding that a little bit of authority
in the scene because maybe the opening scene. But he
said it early in the scene, because that would have
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beat me off, man, I'll tell you, Yeah, he says
something kind young man. All right, well then good. You know,
then I'm taking the red card back. That's exactly the
way I should have been thinking. I felt. I felt
like Docie makes you grouchy, and we know that heretofore?
Is that the right way to say it? Forevermore? You
know he's coming into a space being disrespectful. That's my
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dad's place, you know. It's like, don't come in here
shooting your mouth off like this, and and you know,
point your finger and give me what for. That's right,
young man, he's coast. You make a very salient point there,
You make a very salient point. Yeah, alright, alright, I'm
going to give myself a little break on the acting
side there. Alright, good, it was justified, you know, like
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we talked about this in the last episode with George
in that the same thing. It was jarring for you
and George when Dean responded to Laura Lae in that scene,
and that both when Doci called you young man, and
the scene where Dean pushes back whoa. That was aggressive
for a young teenager to say to lorelaie is it
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my turn now? But it feels like those were very
specifically done in both cases for a reason, setting the
character up to fail. And I think I think that
kiss was the first one, like whoa, that was not
I don't know if you mean, because he was so aggressive,
he was so like she didn't know what was coming.
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There was no build up. It was like which hand
has the soda boom? Kiss. I was caught up in
all of the flush of young love and all those
feelings and how you can't control him when you're that age,
and and here she is standing right before me, and
and she's so beautiful and sweet, and he just so
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt
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on that one, right, I mean, who could resist? Right?
He just he gave her a little kiss. It was
probably a little too long, but because it's where we
buy our food. Still the best line, did the kiss
happened before you were ready for it? Essentially because the
kiss surprised me. I was like, it's supposed to And
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I think that's the beauty of the writing it. It
gives you something when you least expect it. But it
makes sense. Was ballsy enough to do that kiss? He's
ballsy enough to say to laure Line might turn now.
It's it's really yeah. It's like boy, and I started
thinking right away, this is not the right guy for her?
Is really yeah, that's like a city kid. That's a
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cocky city kid from Chicago who yeah, right an ill
three kiss the hole in a quarter and gives her
a bracelet. You know, you know what I mean. It's like,
that's different. That's it was a quarter. I'm telling you
drilled a hole in a quarter anything. I feel like
Dean is totally the right guy for her for her
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first boyfriend, Like who do you want Tristan? Tristan's a tool,
you granted, but but there was a reason that Laurel
I gave him the speech. So she wouldn't have done
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that to a kid who she felt was, um, you know,
a little more suburban, shall I say, like more stars
Halloween had been around for her speech, wouldn't have happened.
That scene wouldn't have happened. That's why she had to
do it. It's like, and that's why she kept saying,
she's not getting on your motorcycle. I don't have a motorcycle.
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She's not getting on your motorcycle. Like, do you know what?
You know what I'm talking about city kid, which means
you are not going to sleep with my daughter. You're
not going to knock up my daughter, because that's that's
what that scene was about. I know what you're about.
You're sexually aggressive. You kissed my daughter in the marketplace.
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You're you know, a tall drink of water. You get,
you get women, you women are you know these girls
are throwing themselves all over you. I've already been through this.
My daughter is not going I brought her to this
town to get away from that kind of garbage. You
know you're not doing Christopher had a motorcycle then, but
he definitely has a motorcycle later, So she's got a
whole sense of motorcycles. We got it. You know, remember
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when Suki and Laura Lee or your counter you know, now,
I mean that was like and what Lauren? Laura Lae
has that line he looks like Christopher. So she's completely
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in a dither that Rory is going down the same path.
And that was the look that she gave the two
of them in the prior episode at the very last
seemed horror like, that's my life flashing before my eyes.
I've done that. My daughter is doing it now now
we now we understand it. The fear like, oh god,
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So let me ask you this. Do you think that's
why Rory doesn't tell Laura Lie about the kiss for
so long? Because Laura la isn't reacting normally or or
favorably about this. Well, I don't know, I mean, she
she's she's she said she was kind of scared to
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tell her mom right, want to tell her? Well, and
who wants to tell their mom, even even Rory and
Laura Lae, who are best friends. Who wants to tell
their mom's sixteen years old? That big a deal. She's sixteen,
she got kissed. That's that's that's a that's a big deal.
Was that a big deal back then? Well? Yeah, I mean,
but she's the right age, she's not too young. I
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just think, you know, I mean, she called her a
supermarket slut at the end of that really funny scene
when they agreed, when she calmed down and said, look,
he's coming over and this is how we're going to
do it, and sorry and all that right, right, right, well,
and then she slipped more back into the lower light.
We know that Rory knows. It's almost like she's off
kilter when she's getting weirded out. But I yeah, I
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think she's afraid that it's a reputational thing. It's like,
I know, my mom is a little kind of a
wild card sometime. My mom has kind of reputation. My
mom can act a little crazy. I love my mom
so much. Rory is much more comfortable with her mom
flirting she was more comfortable with her flirting with the
divorced dad at school, and even maxim medina, dare I
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speak his name? She's she's accepted her eccentricity, she's accepted
that she's she's not like the other moms. But she's
my mom and I love her and she's terrific. Um
very special relationship. We didn't even talk about this. How
about the kiss happens. So she's talking about the corn
starch and how it's a good thickening material, and then
he's got the soda or the puff, and the kiss happens.
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She says thank you and runs, runs, runs, runs, almost
dies getting hit by the car that you knew that
was coming, runs straight to lane. Thank you. What a line,
What a great performance. Thank you? And she, you know,
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just just such a vulnerable, sweet innocent girls. I mean,
but yeah for him, Look it's inappropriate for him. Here,
I got my my puritanical sites coming out. Um, it's
like this kid from out of town who works that job,
go ahead and kisses her in the marketplace at his job.
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And I mean he didn't care. Who could have seen that?
He just went ahead planned it in all. Wow, that
didn't think you would have liked it, but puts Rory
in a tough spot in that town, you know, That's
that's all. I think it was harmless, but I wouldn't
think you would like it. Mm hmmm. I'm the dad, right, Luke,
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Let's say, let's no, no, no, this is Luke talking. Now.
You don't do that. You don't do that to Mike,
my kid. What would you have said to Dean? I
don't know if it would have been a much of
a conversation, to be honest with you. WHOA yea. Even
though I like him and I like I like Jared,
and I like his acting very much. The character, let's
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be let's be clear here. It's it's it's the character.
I think Laurela and I have If we were together
at that time, I think we would have had some
real arguments about allowing her to continue to see him.
He kissed her in the market, that's not what we
do here. That was inappropriate. And then he and then
you told me about out the movie night thing, and
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he said, now it's my turn to speak. I would
have been like, wow, No, he's a combination of sweet
and and and I think so, yeah, I think so.
I do love that she ran to lanes and said,
I got kissed and I shoplifted. Did she steal the
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corn stuff? No, she just didn't. She forgot it was
in her hand. Yeah, she ran with it. Yeah, I
mean breaking down Dean is an interesting thing because he
is wholesome and sweet, and I don't think he's gonna
hurt her or break her heart. It's an act. Oh,
it's an act. I think. I don't know. I just
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this brazen now, can I mean compared to Tristan? Yeah,
but to be but I'm here comes this word again,
a little manipulative if he's not backing down from Laurela,
the Mama air who's letting him know, keep it in
your pants with my daughter, or you're gonna get thrown
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in the lake by the entire town. Watch it, pal,
you know that kind of thing. Don't mess with my girl.
And he has enough confidence at eighteen years old to say, uh,
can I speak now? I mean that's just like that's
trouble with a capital T. Whoa trouble that was that
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sent out warning warning alarms were going off as soon
as he said that, I want oh trouble. This is
bad right because we know that's in there for a reason,
and so we're supposed to get that he is confident
with a little bit of too much, too much. But
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I still, you know, I like Dean mm hmm. I
think you can't be you guys can't see. But Scott's
face is not saying the same thing that Riley and
I are saying. Do you think he's sweet? And Scott
not a suitable boy for Rory? I'm sorry, sorry, Let's
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go backwards for a minute, because there is a scene
that we have not discussed that I thought was hands
down the most relatable scene of all time, and it
is when Laurel is in the refrigerator with everything everywhere,
and she is on the phone with the refrigerator people. Literally,
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I've never felt larealize so much. When she's like making
the noise of the refrigerator. Obviously the person on the
phone can't help her. She's like, can you get me
someone who can help me? And can you be here
tomorrow at eight am because I have a job. And
then she hangs up and they're coming on Monday between
like literally three and eight. Like that is me with
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the cable people, like when my direct TV goes down,
and I'm just beside myself. It was so relatable everyone
has experienced that. I asked myself, how many times has
that particular company, if their local, been talked to like that?
You know what I mean? Can you make the noise
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of refrigerators making? How about you? Riley? I can't. I'm
not good at that. I've tried. I tried last night
and it was just terrible. I woke up home. Sounds
like that, sounds like a fly landing on your foot.
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My favorite parts heard telling, asked the other guy. He
knows how it sounds. The whole thing was so brilliant,
like literally that was my favorite scene. Yeah, because she
can't really tell her mom what happened at Dozy's right
when she's in that right and then she's told, and
then I think Or's like, oh thank God, like this
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is I'm dodging the bullet because my mom's like literally
losing her bleep over the broken refrigerator. Can't. Can't like Laurel.
After Laurel, I says, I hate my life, Like whereas
going to be like, oh, by the way, by the
kissed a dude, I just kissed a dude by the
rats transplant just macked on my face. You know, I
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have a nice day, mom. And then, of course, how
about later when when Babette it traps Dean like he's
late for the movie, and then they looked out the
window and he's totally stuck with more So there's there again.
There's more warning signs coming from his behavior being trapped
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by by Bett. He didn't look like he was having
a good time. And when Morey said stay cool, kid,
he was just like whatever, yeah, because he wasn't. He's
trapped by adults and he wants to get into the girl,
so what but be polite about it, be a nice girl.
Scott trying to remember being a teenager. He's in a
small town. He's supposed to be a smart city kid, right,
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it's like make friends, go in there and make friends.
He's trying to make friends, right, He's in that town.
He's in the school system, and he's like, you know,
he's treating more and Babette the next beloved next door
neighbors like there just being a teenager. Stop it. You're
being so tough on Dean, and Dean's like a little sweetheart.
You're being so tough on him. He's still a teenager.
He's trapped by two from Stars Hollow. I run a
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diner there, and people better treat my people. Well. Who
do you dislike more? Max Medina or Dean Max Medina, both?
I mean to me, they're both. It's like, it's like
Max Dean Medina, Max Medina, Dean Dean, Max Dean, Medina, Dean,
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you know what I mean? Medina Dean Madeina Dean. What's
that tell you? What does that tell you? There is
a possible mistake in this episode? Was this the episode
where Dean says he has two sisters and then we
only meet one, or like for the rest of forever
he only has one sister? Mm hmm, A little bit
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of a yeah, it's it's minor, but we should point
it out. So what do you feel about this episode? Overall?
My overall sense of it was that now I fully
understand if I hadn't understood before, and I have and
had why people are so obsessed with this show. Because
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it's laugh out loud funny. It is at like numerous times.
It's not just once, it's five, ten, fifteen, laugh out loud,
twenty laugh out loud lines. They just keep coming. And
that is I really think all the you know that
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that's how life is. I mean, drama can be. I mean,
it's it's so good at depicting what people go through
on a daily basis, real people going through on a
daily basis, and life is funny and it's tragic and
it's hard, but man, there's always the laughs and people
are all I mean, that's what we do in here.
When things get tough, you know, there's always the laughs
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and the laughs are huge, you know, And that's what
this show is. It's real. Everything has a laugh, Everything
has a laugh. But they were from the refrigerator scene
to the kiss to Mrs Kim saying that's where I
buy my food, like, you can't kiss where I buy
my food? No, I mean that wasn't. That's why it's
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so funny, because she's right. It's like, do you want
to go buy ahead of lettuce when you've seen two
people making out over it? No, you move on, it's
contaminated at that point. And even the rocking chair how
it was like bigger, oh yeah, grow And then I
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obviously lauralize, completely stunned to find out that Rory's kissed
somebody and she leaves without the chair and Mrs Kim's
like you forgot chairing. I mean, every the whole show.
Would you consider it a comedy or a drama. It's
a drama, yeah, because there are times when you laugh
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from a dramatic situation and there are other times in
the show when you can tell it's just it's a
funny bit, right, yeah, I mean it's both. They give
you both. There are there are moments you know that
some we haven't seen yet, but where we will cry.
But it's not like a show like Parenthood or This
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is Us where you're just bawling and you have to
take advil after you watch. It's not there. They're not
laying it on thick. They're just moving on from it.
They're touching it. That's the way. I mean. That's the
lightness of the show. And you know, to get to
make it too heavy, it's just the wrong. That's not
the show. Other shows do that very well. This it
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is not the show that does that. It's like the
heaviest situations are treated the lightest, The lightest situations are
treated the heaviest. It's it's it's really quite um oh
and really come on um and oh no, Laurel, I says,
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and the Laurel I sus bout that. Uh after after
helping Dean escape, what was Bett talking to her about? Well?
She when Laurel I said to her, yeah, well I
gotta go now, I gotta I gotta get it inside
and shower. I guess what was what was? Oh, he's
a cutie's talking about. Yeah, it's kind of gross. And
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Laurel not gonna get such. That's so good. It's so good.
I love that Bade. All right, everybody, it's time for
pop culture. The pretty juicers tell me, and we'll find
out that they have up their game because they have
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listened to your comments, your brilliant comments about how we
should restructure pop culture section. So here we go, Riley
Danielle Amy, Welcome, Hello, Hello, Hello, back. Uh what do
you got here? I mean, we're flying by the seat
of our pants. I don't even know. They're just springing
this on me. We're gonna check it out. We're gonna
try it. Let's see what happens. Go ahead, Yes, yeah,
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So we have something a little new for you. We've
we've definitely heard the feedback and we want to make
it as best as we can for you. So this
is Riley, and this is Danielle, and these are the
pop culture references and we're all in. Oh, so let's go.
So last week we reenact a scene and moral I said,
I was watching General Hospital the other day, and you know,
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they have a new Lucky because the old Lucky went
to go play something where he could actually have a
real name. So there were actually three Luckies. The role
was originated by Jonathan Jackson, by Jacob Young and Greg Vaughn.
Jackson returned to the role in two thousand nine and
then left again in two thousand eleven, with a few
later appearances in two thousand fifteen and in two thousand ten.
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General Hospital was listed in the Guinness World Records as
the longest running American soap opera in production. It has
been on for over fifty eight years. Also, Lucky is
the son of Luke and Laura. Lucky is kidnapped and
presumed dead in and returns brainwashed in two thousand and
In April, it was announced Jonathan Jackson may return for
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another season. No, I know nothing. I know nothing about
soap operas, but I am intrigued. I am well, it's
Jack Wagner on General Hospital or was he? He was?
He was? I think he was John Stamos was Blackie?
Who was Jack Wagner? Well, who was Jack Wagner? Was?
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He honored Arnold Palmer because he's a hell of a golfer. No,
but this was when Jack Wagner had his big song. Oh,
Jack Wagner had a big song. So Jack Wagner is
the actor who has portrayed Frisco Jones on General Hospital,
Frisco Jones at the tea teeing off. All right, Next up,
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Lore lies as this to Luke, I'm not gonna lie
about how good you look dressed as one of those
guys from the Crucible. The Crystals film written by Arthur Miller,
inspired by the Salem Witchcraft Trials. The original play was
often banned in the fifties. It was written during McCarthy
ism to draw parallels between McCarthy ism and the Salem
Witchcraft Trials. Daniel A. Lewis and Winona Writer started this film.
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If you didn't know Arthur Miller of the the man
who married Marilyn Monroe, And maybe I think maybe I
think she met him through the actor's studio, because she
entered the actor's student in New York because she was
actually quite a talented actress and she wanted to study
with Lee Strassburg, and she got to Hollywood. I think
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she met Arthur Miller through the actor's studio and they
they hit it off somehow. Um and I got married.
So Rory says to Lore lies, she lays the line down.
She says, no James Dean jokes, No father with a
shotgun stairs, No Nancy Walker impressions. Nancy Walker was an
American actress and comedian and known as Ida Morgenstern and Rhoda.
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For twenty years, Nancy was Rosie the diner waitress and
the commercials for the Bounty paper towels Bounty. I think
Bounty is the quicker pick her upper? Is that true?
Am I? Is that the matching the right line with
the right product. I hope, I hope. I'm not going
to get sued now by somebody who who owns them,
like another lawsuit. It's all I need. So Rri says, no,
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James Dean jokes. So. James Dean is known for his
role in Rebel Without a Cause, in he passed away
in a car crash in but ironically a little fun
fact he was ticketed by the police two hours before
he actually crashed. Another fun fact, his two front teeth
were fake. And this is my favorite reference because he
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was in Taylor Swift's song style you know that lyric Scott.
I don't know Taylor Swift stuff at all? How dare you?
I don't. He's got that James Dean day dream looking
He's I you know, I think the Eagles wrote a
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song about James Dean. It's got James Dean alright. So yeah.
He was one of those iconic actors, along with Marlon
Brando and Montgomery Cliff, who came out of the Actors
Studio in New York and they were all methody guys,
very petulant, very inner, and very angry, trouble old souls.
Laurel I says, you can't watch Billy Wonka without massive
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amounts of junk food. So many people know Johnny Depp
as the way Willie want Gut in the film directed
by Tim Burton, but the original star Gene Wilder in
nine Willy Wonka doesn't actually appear until halfway through the film,
and the Chocolate river was actually made of real chocolate,
water and cream, so it spoiled fairly quickly and left
a terrible swill. A third of the stuff in the
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chocolate room was actually edible, and Roald Dahl, author of
the book, hated the final product, believing it was crummy.
I have no knowledge of Willie Wonka. I don't even
think I've seen the movie, but I know that Gene
Wilder was brilliant and blazing. Saddles to Lorelai, says, I'm
going to be so cool in there, You're going to
mistake me for Shaft. So Shaft is a film from
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one starring Richard Rowntree. The movie was remade in ten
featuring Samuel L. Jackson and the Shafts soundtrack album was
recorded by Isaac Hayes and Shaft's mustache was a non
negotiable in the film, Rory says to Lorelai, you're like
a crazy Elsa Clinch also was actually the host of
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Candm Style with Elsa Clinch. She made an appearance on
The Bold and Beautiful in n and she still live
at eighty eight years old. So Babett says this about Dean, Oh,
he's cute, and that Chuck Heston chin of his So
check Heston born as John Charles Heston, but famously known
as Charlton Heston has three different names. I guess um.
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He's famous for Planet of the Apes and Ben her
and he was the former president of the Screen Actors Guild.
He wore a hairpiece in every movie since. In nine
seventy two he played Moses and the Ten didn't. He
was Moses in the Ten Commandments. That's what he's super
famous for, right, I know him from Planet of the Apes.
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But okay, so I have a check Heston story. You
want to hear it? Do we have time? So I'm
actually flying up to Toronto from l A to shoot
my scenes in the pilot of Gilmore Girls. And it
was the first time I was ever in first class
and Charlton Heston was sitting in the seat in front
of me, and he could have taken up two seats
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because he's not overweight, but he's just a large, large
mammal like human being. I mean, he's just a very
big guy. So when we landed, he got up and
he has a little back issues, so he's a little
hunched over. He's still huge, So we were all trying
to get by him because he was taking so long,
and he had a lot of things, but we couldn't
because he's too big. And he led us out of
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the gangway. He led us into these little skinny hallways
a Toronto International Airport. And some guy turned around and said,
do you realize that we are being led out of
bungage bunch on he parts the Red Sea. It's like
we were extras in the in the in the in
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the modern version of Moses. Anyway, that's my little story.
Thanks for enjoying it and laughing and paying attention. Thanks. Guy.
Just because you've heard it before doesn't mean you can't fake. Say,
there's an acting aspect that you gotta you gotta, you
gotta pretend like it's the first time. It's the quality
of the first time. That's the secret acting. Even though
you've done rehearsed it a million times, you've heard of
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the ball before. It's got to be like, Wow, what
a great story takes? Would you do? Have a scene?
And how many I didn't have like a blooper, like
how many good takes? Yeah? Well, I mean relatively speaking, no,
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if something was out of a line or somebody caught
a boom mic in the background at the very end,
they couldn't use it take if it was a master shot,
you know, so they had to just keep doing and
doing and doing it. How much would you mess it up?
How often? Give me a percentage where you just like
fift your lines. Be honest. I didn't really biff my
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lines after season six, after the show was over, then
I didn't pick anyone. Yeah, I nailed in those four movies.
Good job, Scott. I I think the first couple of episodes,
I think everybody was biffing their lines um, and then
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we just got better at it, We got used to
it in the short term memories. So it was those
poor guest actors that just were like sweating story. It's
asking too much. It's asking a lot, man. I mean,
they knew the lines. It wasn't a question of them
not knowing the lines. It's the speed that was required
that shocked them. And then they couldn't spit it out
and they just couldn't talk that fast. Trust me. I
tell Riley and Danielle say it like you're on Gilmore Girls,
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and it feels like it's in slow motion. Listen, no
matter what you do. And this is a great save, Amy,
really a great save on your part. But I will
never forget that you ignored my check Eston story, did
not respond to it. First of all, you told me
that story before. It might have been my second time
hearing I know what's going on you guys just like
Scott loves Charlton. It's one of the greatest stories in
(30:52):
my quiver. And you guys were like texting. You weren't
even we're texting each other going this, we know what
he was on. The blood is a big I guess
it's one of those stories where you had to be there.
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All right, all right, Dean says, story. How much does
it suck that they used Pink Moon in a Volkswagen
kershial So. Pink Moon is the third and final album
by the English musician Nick Drake. There's actually no known
video footage of Drake as an adult. He was only
ever captured in still photos and in the home videos.
He actually died in nineteen seventy four at the age
(31:33):
of twenty six, and the Volkswagen Bug was made famous
by the film Herbie. I owned a Volkswagen Bug. It
was the great car. Oh god, back in we had one,
I think in the seventies. Great car, small but great car.
Um you know, why does everybody ever a problem with
musicians making money? I know when I was a kid, Uh,
(31:55):
you know, somebody sold out to a corporation in their
music was in a commercial. We you know, we would rebel,
you know that. But it's just so naive. My god,
I don't think anyone cares, now, I don't. I think
it's I think it's considered idiotic if they don't. Swift
is picking that card again out on the Capitol One ads,
and I'm yeah, and it's not it's not really selling out.
(32:16):
It's just like there's no money in music. You can't
make money selling records and music. Ex that's how we
learned about a song. Yeah, exactly, now all right the
last reference, Dean says, So, at what point does the
outsider get to suggest a movie for for a movie night?
Rory says that depends what movie are you thinking of?
Dean says, I don't know, Boogie Nights. Maybe. Rory goes,
(32:36):
you'll never get a past Laura La because there's like nudity.
Uh what there's more than nudity. Yeah, can you imagine
Dean and Rory are watching Boogie Nights with Laura La? Cringe?
Oh my goodness. I don't know if I'm ever going
to go on another rant, but if I were to
(32:56):
go on another rant, like a Scott Collen like rant,
I might rant it up for Dean and the Boogie Nights.
You are not team Dean right now, I will say
that I'm not. I've been very complimentary of Jared and
his skills as a young actor, but that character Mr
Chicago sharpie guy kissing in the market and now watching
(33:18):
Boogie Nights and telling Laurel I, now is it my
joy to speak? I mean, what, what? What? I still
think you're going to be fair to Jess because you're
gonna be Jess biased because he's a relative. So we'll see.
We'll just wait and see. Because they're Jess had some
he he wasn't perfect. I'm going to tell you something
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that one of the most famous boxing referees tells his
world championship contenders when he gets in the ring with him.
He says, I want you to listen to all my commands.
I'm firm, but I'm fair. So we need to dive
into the market mark reference. So market Mark, for those
that don't know, is Mark Wahlberg. Mark Wahlberg was in
a hip hop group in nine that was formed called
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The Funky Bunch. He later went on to play Renaissance
Man and his first starring role in Fear. Random fun
fact about Mark Wahlberg. He has a third nipple and
you can actually see that third nipple in Fear. But
even crazier I've seen it. There is one other celebrity
that tops in with four nipples. What you say, can
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you guess who it is? What's going on here? What
celebrity has for nipples? I don't know the answer to this,
but I've got my Google fingers. Really will never believe it?
Are you ready give us a hit? Give us a hit?
Suping guests. Um. He is also a referenced in a
Taylor Slift song Taylor Lautner drum roll please Harry Styles
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has four nipples? Google it? Oh my god? Really? And
the last one fact about Mark Wahlberg, Um, he started
a burger chain called the Wall Burgers with his brothers. Yeah, wow,
this is worth the Google guys, And we're listening. Where
are the other two nipples? Kind of below and to
the sun. And that's it for pop culture references. Vastly improved.
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But we need everyone to email us and let us
know if we're nailing it now. Yeah, they will. They
don't need to tell us. They don't need to be prompted.
It's like a tsunami. Well you're at it, let us
know everything else, God, but you know we need them.
(35:35):
We do appreciate it. A few people still say the
timeline is screwing. Nobody can get the timeline straight. And
here's what I've come to terms with. It is still
a TV show, and the timeline is not perfect. There
are some flaws in the timeline. You're referring to what
how nobody can quite know what age you met Rory
(35:56):
and Loralae, because there's another reference where Rory acknowledges she's
no in you all her life. So I'm going with
my truth. My truth is my truth, you know. So
it's gotten me in a lot of trouble, so maybe
I shouldn't go with ye. I'm so ready with my
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favorite lines. I have so many from this episode. How
we should I've said them all, but I still think
I got kissed in shoplifted. And then of course Mrs
Kim at the grocery store where we buy our food,
and then the entire refrigerator conversation with the guy on
the phone is just everything. Um, it's just like, all right,
(36:42):
who's who's gonna start off? Riley, what's your favorite line
of the episode. My favorite line is from Laura Lee
when they're talking about the kiss and they see Dean
in the grocery store and she said, that must have
been some backbender, that kiss backbender. Oh my god. I
think my favorite is I got kissed in I shoplifted
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because it made me laugh so much. But everything Lorelai
said to the guy the refrigerator repairman on the phone,
it is I could just listen to it all day.
So this was tough for me because there was so
many There's always so many great lines and it's hard
to just pick one, but you gotta pick one. So
for me, it was the reference to um Magnolia when
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Rory said, my mother when we when we were in
the movie theater, my mother was screaming, I want my
life back three. I mean, it's just it's it's it's
Amy's way of, you know, slamming what she considers to
be a pretentious film that it's like, what are you
doing here? It's like frogs, it's raining frogs. Okay, like,
(37:56):
what's happening. It's like, somebody, you're trying to entertain me
with this. I never understood anything of that movie. But
it's a it's a style of filmmaking. It's a type
of director, writer, director, and you know, sometimes they get
it really right and and sometimes you know, it's it's
a fine line between being profound and pretentious, you know.
(38:18):
And and I don't know, I like the film, but
I just thought it was really funny. That's a reference.
It's like Amy gets to slam the things that she
finds obnoxious throughout the seven years, and I find those
really satisfying and very funny. But that that's a funny
line screaming I want my life back while you're watching.
(38:39):
It's really funny. Uh So that's mine and I think
it's the best one. So there you go. Before we
started talking about love and war and snow because that's
next week. So Genji Cohen is the writer of Kiss
and Tell. I never realized, she wrote on Gilmore. She's
the genius writer of Orange is the New Black and
Weeds telling you they the talent coming out of the
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writer's room was second to none, you know, they had.
That's probably why Kiss and Tell was so hilarious also
because Weeds and Oranges The New Black are comedies, but
their drama. Yeah, I mean, you've got a murderers row
of writers on that staff. So it's it's a wow,
(39:25):
just such enjoyable, so enjoyable. I'm not actually gonna watch
it today again. I'm gonna watch Kiss and Tell again
because I enjoyed it so much and now I got
and I get to rewatch them because I've seen them
once and now I can, you know, because I'm getting
so much like a fan, you know what I mean,
I'm starting to get obsessed. So Kiss and Tell is
the first episode that Jenji Cohen wrote, and it totally
(39:47):
makes sense to me because it's filled with humor and
snark and everything that is her tone. And I think
that's why, you know, other than when the Paladinos right it,
It's like, I love the way she writes. Yeah, if
you get some right years on here, we got we
have to talk to these writers, definitely, weinitely talk to
these people. But we have a big surprise coming soon,
so I don't want to spoil it yet. Be ready, Yeah,
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like in the next couple of weeks. Good job, I
hope you learned to like Dean a little bit better
than you do. Right now, it's it's not going well
for him in Luke's mind. Have a bad feeling. Somebody
warned us on the Instagram that next week you may
(40:34):
have a fit because I think there's something coming with Max.
I'm a little nervous. Dean cooked his own ghosts. He
kissed her in public, he went toe to toe with Laurel,
and then he mentioned boogie Nights to Rory. He's a manipulator,
he's corrupting her. I'm not having it. I'm sorry. I'm
afraid we may need a therapist next week. What I
(40:57):
think is it's not about Dean, it's about mat You
better get those don't get me a therapist, You get
those two bodyguards. I'm coming out. That's what it's all about.
I got Jersey coming out of You don't do that.
You don't do that stuff. You better text text me
after you watch uh the next episode, so I know
(41:18):
I can prepare myself to your state of mind. The
therapy is going to be in the exercise. I get therapist.
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with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody,
(00:22):
Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast I Heart Radio.
We are going to recap Kiss and Tell episode seven,
season one. I am joined by the illustrious Amy Sugarman
uh and that's Riley and Danielle are with us on
board as well. So I didn't like my acting in
(00:44):
this episode. I gotta be honest with you. I didn't
like it. Really, I didn't. I didn't um what did
you think was wrong? I don't know. I think it
was just a little too angry, little over the top.
And you know, I'm still finding the character, you know
what I mean. And I just I just really, this
is why I don't like to watch myself, and this
was it was unpleasant for me less really you were.
(01:07):
You were particularly grumpy, But I didn't know. I didn't
think it was over the time, something with this guy
like jeez, you hate you obviously hate Thanksgiving. Yeah, you know,
I don't know, but it's but maybe Docie brings out
that grouchiness in Luke. Maybe you played it right. I
don't know. I don't think so. I think there's another
(01:29):
way to go. I gotta beat my own credit here.
I just I'm calling the acting police on myself. I
did not like. Yeah, I didn't like what I did.
I didn't like what I did. I didn't like what
I did with Lauren either. At the table when I
can you mean the scene we've the scene we reenacted
in the last episode. I approached that scene. No, I
gotta call. I gotta throw a flag on that one.
(01:51):
I gotta give myself a red card, like get off
the pitch. You know, what did you think when Docie Taylor?
Docie called you young man? Thought that was kind of
interesting because he's definitely didn't he know Luke's father, maybe,
and he's definitely holding that a little bit of authority
in the scene because maybe the opening scene. But he
said it early in the scene, because that would have
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beat me off, man, I'll tell you, Yeah, he says
something kind young man. All right, well then good. You know,
then I'm taking the red card back. That's exactly the
way I should have been thinking. I felt. I felt
like Docie makes you grouchy, and we know that heretofore?
Is that the right way to say it? Forevermore? You
know he's coming into a space being disrespectful. That's my
(02:36):
dad's place, you know. It's like, don't come in here
shooting your mouth off like this, and and you know,
point your finger and give me what for. That's right,
young man, he's coast. You make a very salient point there,
You make a very salient point. Yeah, alright, alright, I'm
going to give myself a little break on the acting
side there. Alright, good, it was justified, you know, like
(02:58):
we talked about this in the last episode with George
in that the same thing. It was jarring for you
and George when Dean responded to Laura Lae in that scene,
and that both when Doci called you young man, and
the scene where Dean pushes back whoa. That was aggressive
for a young teenager to say to lorelaie is it
(03:20):
my turn now? But it feels like those were very
specifically done in both cases for a reason, setting the
character up to fail. And I think I think that
kiss was the first one, like whoa, that was not
I don't know if you mean, because he was so aggressive,
he was so like she didn't know what was coming.
(03:41):
There was no build up. It was like which hand
has the soda boom? Kiss. I was caught up in
all of the flush of young love and all those
feelings and how you can't control him when you're that age,
and and here she is standing right before me, and
and she's so beautiful and sweet, and he just so
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt
(04:02):
on that one, right, I mean, who could resist? Right?
He just he gave her a little kiss. It was
probably a little too long, but because it's where we
buy our food. Still the best line, did the kiss
happened before you were ready for it? Essentially because the
kiss surprised me. I was like, it's supposed to And
(04:22):
I think that's the beauty of the writing it. It
gives you something when you least expect it. But it
makes sense. Was ballsy enough to do that kiss? He's
ballsy enough to say to laure Line might turn now.
It's it's really yeah. It's like boy, and I started
thinking right away, this is not the right guy for her?
Is really yeah, that's like a city kid. That's a
(04:45):
cocky city kid from Chicago who yeah, right an ill
three kiss the hole in a quarter and gives her
a bracelet. You know, you know what I mean. It's like,
that's different. That's it was a quarter. I'm telling you
drilled a hole in a quarter anything. I feel like
Dean is totally the right guy for her for her
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first boyfriend, Like who do you want Tristan? Tristan's a tool,
you granted, but but there was a reason that Laurel
I gave him the speech. So she wouldn't have done
(05:29):
that to a kid who she felt was, um, you know,
a little more suburban, shall I say, like more stars
Halloween had been around for her speech, wouldn't have happened.
That scene wouldn't have happened. That's why she had to
do it. It's like, and that's why she kept saying,
she's not getting on your motorcycle. I don't have a motorcycle.
(05:51):
She's not getting on your motorcycle. Like, do you know what?
You know what I'm talking about city kid, which means
you are not going to sleep with my daughter. You're
not going to knock up my daughter, because that's that's
what that scene was about. I know what you're about.
You're sexually aggressive. You kissed my daughter in the marketplace.
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You're you know, a tall drink of water. You get,
you get women, you women are you know these girls
are throwing themselves all over you. I've already been through this.
My daughter is not going I brought her to this
town to get away from that kind of garbage. You
know you're not doing Christopher had a motorcycle then, but
he definitely has a motorcycle later, So she's got a
whole sense of motorcycles. We got it. You know, remember
(06:38):
when Suki and Laura Lee or your counter you know, now,
I mean that was like and what Lauren? Laura Lae
has that line he looks like Christopher. So she's completely
(07:02):
in a dither that Rory is going down the same path.
And that was the look that she gave the two
of them in the prior episode at the very last
seemed horror like, that's my life flashing before my eyes.
I've done that. My daughter is doing it now now
we now we understand it. The fear like, oh god,
(07:24):
So let me ask you this. Do you think that's
why Rory doesn't tell Laura Lie about the kiss for
so long? Because Laura la isn't reacting normally or or
favorably about this. Well, I don't know, I mean, she
she's she's she said she was kind of scared to
(07:44):
tell her mom right, want to tell her? Well, and
who wants to tell their mom, even even Rory and
Laura Lae, who are best friends. Who wants to tell
their mom's sixteen years old? That big a deal. She's sixteen,
she got kissed. That's that's that's a that's a big deal.
Was that a big deal back then? Well? Yeah, I mean,
but she's the right age, she's not too young. I
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just think, you know, I mean, she called her a
supermarket slut at the end of that really funny scene
when they agreed, when she calmed down and said, look,
he's coming over and this is how we're going to
do it, and sorry and all that right, right, right, well,
and then she slipped more back into the lower light.
We know that Rory knows. It's almost like she's off
kilter when she's getting weirded out. But I yeah, I
(08:29):
think she's afraid that it's a reputational thing. It's like,
I know, my mom is a little kind of a
wild card sometime. My mom has kind of reputation. My
mom can act a little crazy. I love my mom
so much. Rory is much more comfortable with her mom
flirting she was more comfortable with her flirting with the
divorced dad at school, and even maxim medina, dare I
(08:51):
speak his name? She's she's accepted her eccentricity, she's accepted
that she's she's not like the other moms. But she's
my mom and I love her and she's terrific. Um
very special relationship. We didn't even talk about this. How
about the kiss happens. So she's talking about the corn
starch and how it's a good thickening material, and then
he's got the soda or the puff, and the kiss happens.
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She says thank you and runs, runs, runs, runs, almost
dies getting hit by the car that you knew that
was coming, runs straight to lane. Thank you. What a line,
What a great performance. Thank you? And she, you know,
(09:35):
just just such a vulnerable, sweet innocent girls. I mean,
but yeah for him, Look it's inappropriate for him. Here,
I got my my puritanical sites coming out. Um, it's
like this kid from out of town who works that job,
go ahead and kisses her in the marketplace at his job.
(09:56):
And I mean he didn't care. Who could have seen that?
He just went ahead planned it in all. Wow, that
didn't think you would have liked it, but puts Rory
in a tough spot in that town, you know, That's
that's all. I think it was harmless, but I wouldn't
think you would like it. Mm hmmm. I'm the dad, right, Luke,
(10:17):
Let's say, let's no, no, no, this is Luke talking. Now.
You don't do that. You don't do that to Mike,
my kid. What would you have said to Dean? I
don't know if it would have been a much of
a conversation, to be honest with you. WHOA yea. Even
though I like him and I like I like Jared,
and I like his acting very much. The character, let's
(10:40):
be let's be clear here. It's it's it's the character.
I think Laurela and I have If we were together
at that time, I think we would have had some
real arguments about allowing her to continue to see him.
He kissed her in the market, that's not what we
do here. That was inappropriate. And then he and then
you told me about out the movie night thing, and
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he said, now it's my turn to speak. I would
have been like, wow, No, he's a combination of sweet
and and and I think so, yeah, I think so.
I do love that she ran to lanes and said,
I got kissed and I shoplifted. Did she steal the
(11:24):
corn stuff? No, she just didn't. She forgot it was
in her hand. Yeah, she ran with it. Yeah, I
mean breaking down Dean is an interesting thing because he
is wholesome and sweet, and I don't think he's gonna
hurt her or break her heart. It's an act. Oh,
it's an act. I think. I don't know. I just
(11:46):
this brazen now, can I mean compared to Tristan? Yeah,
but to be but I'm here comes this word again,
a little manipulative if he's not backing down from Laurela,
the Mama air who's letting him know, keep it in
your pants with my daughter, or you're gonna get thrown
(12:07):
in the lake by the entire town. Watch it, pal,
you know that kind of thing. Don't mess with my girl.
And he has enough confidence at eighteen years old to say, uh,
can I speak now? I mean that's just like that's
trouble with a capital T. Whoa trouble that was that
(12:29):
sent out warning warning alarms were going off as soon
as he said that, I want oh trouble. This is
bad right because we know that's in there for a reason,
and so we're supposed to get that he is confident
with a little bit of too much, too much. But
(12:51):
I still, you know, I like Dean mm hmm. I
think you can't be you guys can't see. But Scott's
face is not saying the same thing that Riley and
I are saying. Do you think he's sweet? And Scott
not a suitable boy for Rory? I'm sorry, sorry, Let's
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go backwards for a minute, because there is a scene
that we have not discussed that I thought was hands
down the most relatable scene of all time, and it
is when Laurel is in the refrigerator with everything everywhere,
and she is on the phone with the refrigerator people. Literally,
(13:34):
I've never felt larealize so much. When she's like making
the noise of the refrigerator. Obviously the person on the
phone can't help her. She's like, can you get me
someone who can help me? And can you be here
tomorrow at eight am because I have a job. And
then she hangs up and they're coming on Monday between
like literally three and eight. Like that is me with
(13:55):
the cable people, like when my direct TV goes down,
and I'm just beside myself. It was so relatable everyone
has experienced that. I asked myself, how many times has
that particular company, if their local, been talked to like that?
You know what I mean? Can you make the noise
(14:16):
of refrigerators making? How about you? Riley? I can't. I'm
not good at that. I've tried. I tried last night
and it was just terrible. I woke up home. Sounds
like that, sounds like a fly landing on your foot.
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My favorite parts heard telling, asked the other guy. He
knows how it sounds. The whole thing was so brilliant,
like literally that was my favorite scene. Yeah, because she
can't really tell her mom what happened at Dozy's right
when she's in that right and then she's told, and
then I think Or's like, oh thank God, like this
(15:00):
is I'm dodging the bullet because my mom's like literally
losing her bleep over the broken refrigerator. Can't. Can't like Laurel.
After Laurel, I says, I hate my life, Like whereas
going to be like, oh, by the way, by the
kissed a dude, I just kissed a dude by the
rats transplant just macked on my face. You know, I
(15:20):
have a nice day, mom. And then, of course, how
about later when when Babette it traps Dean like he's
late for the movie, and then they looked out the
window and he's totally stuck with more So there's there again.
There's more warning signs coming from his behavior being trapped
(15:41):
by by Bett. He didn't look like he was having
a good time. And when Morey said stay cool, kid,
he was just like whatever, yeah, because he wasn't. He's
trapped by adults and he wants to get into the girl,
so what but be polite about it, be a nice girl.
Scott trying to remember being a teenager. He's in a
small town. He's supposed to be a smart city kid, right,
(16:04):
it's like make friends, go in there and make friends.
He's trying to make friends, right, He's in that town.
He's in the school system, and he's like, you know,
he's treating more and Babette the next beloved next door
neighbors like there just being a teenager. Stop it. You're
being so tough on Dean, and Dean's like a little sweetheart.
You're being so tough on him. He's still a teenager.
He's trapped by two from Stars Hollow. I run a
(16:28):
diner there, and people better treat my people. Well. Who
do you dislike more? Max Medina or Dean Max Medina, both?
I mean to me, they're both. It's like, it's like
Max Dean Medina, Max Medina, Dean Dean, Max Dean, Medina, Dean,
(16:49):
you know what I mean? Medina Dean Madeina Dean. What's
that tell you? What does that tell you? There is
a possible mistake in this episode? Was this the episode
where Dean says he has two sisters and then we
only meet one, or like for the rest of forever
he only has one sister? Mm hmm, A little bit
(17:09):
of a yeah, it's it's minor, but we should point
it out. So what do you feel about this episode? Overall?
My overall sense of it was that now I fully
understand if I hadn't understood before, and I have and
had why people are so obsessed with this show. Because
(17:32):
it's laugh out loud funny. It is at like numerous times.
It's not just once, it's five, ten, fifteen, laugh out loud,
twenty laugh out loud lines. They just keep coming. And
that is I really think all the you know that
(17:53):
that's how life is. I mean, drama can be. I mean,
it's it's so good at depicting what people go through
on a daily basis, real people going through on a
daily basis, and life is funny and it's tragic and
it's hard, but man, there's always the laughs and people
are all I mean, that's what we do in here.
When things get tough, you know, there's always the laughs
(18:14):
and the laughs are huge, you know, And that's what
this show is. It's real. Everything has a laugh, Everything
has a laugh. But they were from the refrigerator scene
to the kiss to Mrs Kim saying that's where I
buy my food, like, you can't kiss where I buy
my food? No, I mean that wasn't. That's why it's
(18:34):
so funny, because she's right. It's like, do you want
to go buy ahead of lettuce when you've seen two
people making out over it? No, you move on, it's
contaminated at that point. And even the rocking chair how
it was like bigger, oh yeah, grow And then I
(18:57):
obviously lauralize, completely stunned to find out that Rory's kissed
somebody and she leaves without the chair and Mrs Kim's
like you forgot chairing. I mean, every the whole show.
Would you consider it a comedy or a drama. It's
a drama, yeah, because there are times when you laugh
(19:18):
from a dramatic situation and there are other times in
the show when you can tell it's just it's a
funny bit, right, yeah, I mean it's both. They give
you both. There are there are moments you know that
some we haven't seen yet, but where we will cry.
But it's not like a show like Parenthood or This
(19:38):
is Us where you're just bawling and you have to
take advil after you watch. It's not there. They're not
laying it on thick. They're just moving on from it.
They're touching it. That's the way. I mean. That's the
lightness of the show. And you know, to get to
make it too heavy, it's just the wrong. That's not
the show. Other shows do that very well. This it
(20:00):
is not the show that does that. It's like the
heaviest situations are treated the lightest, The lightest situations are
treated the heaviest. It's it's it's really quite um oh
and really come on um and oh no, Laurel, I says,
(20:21):
and the Laurel I sus bout that. Uh after after
helping Dean escape, what was Bett talking to her about? Well?
She when Laurel I said to her, yeah, well I
gotta go now, I gotta I gotta get it inside
and shower. I guess what was what was? Oh, he's
a cutie's talking about. Yeah, it's kind of gross. And
(20:45):
Laurel not gonna get such. That's so good. It's so good.
I love that Bade. All right, everybody, it's time for
pop culture. The pretty juicers tell me, and we'll find
out that they have up their game because they have
(21:05):
listened to your comments, your brilliant comments about how we
should restructure pop culture section. So here we go, Riley
Danielle Amy, Welcome, Hello, Hello, Hello, back. Uh what do
you got here? I mean, we're flying by the seat
of our pants. I don't even know. They're just springing
this on me. We're gonna check it out. We're gonna
try it. Let's see what happens. Go ahead, Yes, yeah,
(21:27):
So we have something a little new for you. We've
we've definitely heard the feedback and we want to make
it as best as we can for you. So this
is Riley, and this is Danielle, and these are the
pop culture references and we're all in. Oh, so let's go.
So last week we reenact a scene and moral I said,
I was watching General Hospital the other day, and you know,
(21:49):
they have a new Lucky because the old Lucky went
to go play something where he could actually have a
real name. So there were actually three Luckies. The role
was originated by Jonathan Jackson, by Jacob Young and Greg Vaughn.
Jackson returned to the role in two thousand nine and
then left again in two thousand eleven, with a few
later appearances in two thousand fifteen and in two thousand ten.
(22:11):
General Hospital was listed in the Guinness World Records as
the longest running American soap opera in production. It has
been on for over fifty eight years. Also, Lucky is
the son of Luke and Laura. Lucky is kidnapped and
presumed dead in and returns brainwashed in two thousand and
In April, it was announced Jonathan Jackson may return for
(22:35):
another season. No, I know nothing. I know nothing about
soap operas, but I am intrigued. I am well, it's
Jack Wagner on General Hospital or was he? He was?
He was? I think he was John Stamos was Blackie?
Who was Jack Wagner? Well, who was Jack Wagner? Was?
(22:56):
He honored Arnold Palmer because he's a hell of a golfer. No,
but this was when Jack Wagner had his big song. Oh,
Jack Wagner had a big song. So Jack Wagner is
the actor who has portrayed Frisco Jones on General Hospital,
Frisco Jones at the tea teeing off. All right, Next up,
(23:18):
Lore lies as this to Luke, I'm not gonna lie
about how good you look dressed as one of those
guys from the Crucible. The Crystals film written by Arthur Miller,
inspired by the Salem Witchcraft Trials. The original play was
often banned in the fifties. It was written during McCarthy
ism to draw parallels between McCarthy ism and the Salem
Witchcraft Trials. Daniel A. Lewis and Winona Writer started this film.
(23:40):
If you didn't know Arthur Miller of the the man
who married Marilyn Monroe, And maybe I think maybe I
think she met him through the actor's studio, because she
entered the actor's student in New York because she was
actually quite a talented actress and she wanted to study
with Lee Strassburg, and she got to Hollywood. I think
(24:01):
she met Arthur Miller through the actor's studio and they
they hit it off somehow. Um and I got married.
So Rory says to Lore lies, she lays the line down.
She says, no James Dean jokes, No father with a
shotgun stairs, No Nancy Walker impressions. Nancy Walker was an
American actress and comedian and known as Ida Morgenstern and Rhoda.
(24:23):
For twenty years, Nancy was Rosie the diner waitress and
the commercials for the Bounty paper towels Bounty. I think
Bounty is the quicker pick her upper? Is that true?
Am I? Is that the matching the right line with
the right product. I hope, I hope. I'm not going
to get sued now by somebody who who owns them,
like another lawsuit. It's all I need. So Rri says, no,
(24:45):
James Dean jokes. So. James Dean is known for his
role in Rebel Without a Cause, in he passed away
in a car crash in but ironically a little fun
fact he was ticketed by the police two hours before
he actually crashed. Another fun fact, his two front teeth
were fake. And this is my favorite reference because he
(25:06):
was in Taylor Swift's song style you know that lyric Scott.
I don't know Taylor Swift stuff at all? How dare you?
I don't. He's got that James Dean day dream looking
He's I you know, I think the Eagles wrote a
(25:27):
song about James Dean. It's got James Dean alright. So yeah.
He was one of those iconic actors, along with Marlon
Brando and Montgomery Cliff, who came out of the Actors
Studio in New York and they were all methody guys,
very petulant, very inner, and very angry, trouble old souls.
Laurel I says, you can't watch Billy Wonka without massive
(25:49):
amounts of junk food. So many people know Johnny Depp
as the way Willie want Gut in the film directed
by Tim Burton, but the original star Gene Wilder in
nine Willy Wonka doesn't actually appear until halfway through the film,
and the Chocolate river was actually made of real chocolate,
water and cream, so it spoiled fairly quickly and left
a terrible swill. A third of the stuff in the
(26:11):
chocolate room was actually edible, and Roald Dahl, author of
the book, hated the final product, believing it was crummy.
I have no knowledge of Willie Wonka. I don't even
think I've seen the movie, but I know that Gene
Wilder was brilliant and blazing. Saddles to Lorelai, says, I'm
going to be so cool in there, You're going to
mistake me for Shaft. So Shaft is a film from
(26:32):
one starring Richard Rowntree. The movie was remade in ten
featuring Samuel L. Jackson and the Shafts soundtrack album was
recorded by Isaac Hayes and Shaft's mustache was a non
negotiable in the film, Rory says to Lorelai, you're like
a crazy Elsa Clinch also was actually the host of
(26:54):
Candm Style with Elsa Clinch. She made an appearance on
The Bold and Beautiful in n and she still live
at eighty eight years old. So Babett says this about Dean, Oh,
he's cute, and that Chuck Heston chin of his So
check Heston born as John Charles Heston, but famously known
as Charlton Heston has three different names. I guess um.
(27:17):
He's famous for Planet of the Apes and Ben her
and he was the former president of the Screen Actors Guild.
He wore a hairpiece in every movie since. In nine
seventy two he played Moses and the Ten didn't. He
was Moses in the Ten Commandments. That's what he's super
famous for, right, I know him from Planet of the Apes.
(27:38):
But okay, so I have a check Heston story. You
want to hear it? Do we have time? So I'm
actually flying up to Toronto from l A to shoot
my scenes in the pilot of Gilmore Girls. And it
was the first time I was ever in first class
and Charlton Heston was sitting in the seat in front
of me, and he could have taken up two seats
(27:59):
because he's not overweight, but he's just a large, large
mammal like human being. I mean, he's just a very
big guy. So when we landed, he got up and
he has a little back issues, so he's a little
hunched over. He's still huge, So we were all trying
to get by him because he was taking so long,
and he had a lot of things, but we couldn't
because he's too big. And he led us out of
(28:20):
the gangway. He led us into these little skinny hallways
a Toronto International Airport. And some guy turned around and said,
do you realize that we are being led out of
bungage bunch on he parts the Red Sea. It's like
we were extras in the in the in the in
(28:40):
the modern version of Moses. Anyway, that's my little story.
Thanks for enjoying it and laughing and paying attention. Thanks. Guy.
Just because you've heard it before doesn't mean you can't fake. Say,
there's an acting aspect that you gotta you gotta, you
gotta pretend like it's the first time. It's the quality
of the first time. That's the secret acting. Even though
you've done rehearsed it a million times, you've heard of
(29:01):
the ball before. It's got to be like, Wow, what
a great story takes? Would you do? Have a scene?
And how many I didn't have like a blooper, like
how many good takes? Yeah? Well, I mean relatively speaking, no,
(29:22):
if something was out of a line or somebody caught
a boom mic in the background at the very end,
they couldn't use it take if it was a master shot,
you know, so they had to just keep doing and
doing and doing it. How much would you mess it up?
How often? Give me a percentage where you just like
fift your lines. Be honest. I didn't really biff my
(29:43):
lines after season six, after the show was over, then
I didn't pick anyone. Yeah, I nailed in those four movies.
Good job, Scott. I I think the first couple of episodes,
I think everybody was biffing their lines um, and then
(30:05):
we just got better at it, We got used to
it in the short term memories. So it was those
poor guest actors that just were like sweating story. It's
asking too much. It's asking a lot, man. I mean,
they knew the lines. It wasn't a question of them
not knowing the lines. It's the speed that was required
that shocked them. And then they couldn't spit it out
and they just couldn't talk that fast. Trust me. I
tell Riley and Danielle say it like you're on Gilmore Girls,
(30:28):
and it feels like it's in slow motion. Listen, no
matter what you do. And this is a great save, Amy,
really a great save on your part. But I will
never forget that you ignored my check Eston story, did
not respond to it. First of all, you told me
that story before. It might have been my second time
hearing I know what's going on you guys just like
Scott loves Charlton. It's one of the greatest stories in
(30:52):
my quiver. And you guys were like texting. You weren't
even we're texting each other going this, we know what
he was on. The blood is a big I guess
it's one of those stories where you had to be there.
(31:13):
All right, all right, Dean says, story. How much does
it suck that they used Pink Moon in a Volkswagen
kershial So. Pink Moon is the third and final album
by the English musician Nick Drake. There's actually no known
video footage of Drake as an adult. He was only
ever captured in still photos and in the home videos.
He actually died in nineteen seventy four at the age
(31:33):
of twenty six, and the Volkswagen Bug was made famous
by the film Herbie. I owned a Volkswagen Bug. It
was the great car. Oh god, back in we had one,
I think in the seventies. Great car, small but great car.
Um you know, why does everybody ever a problem with
musicians making money? I know when I was a kid, Uh,
(31:55):
you know, somebody sold out to a corporation in their
music was in a commercial. We you know, we would rebel,
you know that. But it's just so naive. My god,
I don't think anyone cares, now, I don't. I think
it's I think it's considered idiotic if they don't. Swift
is picking that card again out on the Capitol One ads,
and I'm yeah, and it's not it's not really selling out.
(32:16):
It's just like there's no money in music. You can't
make money selling records and music. Ex that's how we
learned about a song. Yeah, exactly, now all right the
last reference, Dean says, So, at what point does the
outsider get to suggest a movie for for a movie night?
Rory says that depends what movie are you thinking of?
Dean says, I don't know, Boogie Nights. Maybe. Rory goes,
(32:36):
you'll never get a past Laura La because there's like nudity.
Uh what there's more than nudity. Yeah, can you imagine
Dean and Rory are watching Boogie Nights with Laura La? Cringe?
Oh my goodness. I don't know if I'm ever going
to go on another rant, but if I were to
(32:56):
go on another rant, like a Scott Collen like rant,
I might rant it up for Dean and the Boogie Nights.
You are not team Dean right now, I will say
that I'm not. I've been very complimentary of Jared and
his skills as a young actor, but that character Mr
Chicago sharpie guy kissing in the market and now watching
(33:18):
Boogie Nights and telling Laurel I, now is it my
joy to speak? I mean, what, what? What? I still
think you're going to be fair to Jess because you're
gonna be Jess biased because he's a relative. So we'll see.
We'll just wait and see. Because they're Jess had some
he he wasn't perfect. I'm going to tell you something
(33:38):
that one of the most famous boxing referees tells his
world championship contenders when he gets in the ring with him.
He says, I want you to listen to all my commands.
I'm firm, but I'm fair. So we need to dive
into the market mark reference. So market Mark, for those
that don't know, is Mark Wahlberg. Mark Wahlberg was in
a hip hop group in nine that was formed called
(33:59):
The Funky Bunch. He later went on to play Renaissance
Man and his first starring role in Fear. Random fun
fact about Mark Wahlberg. He has a third nipple and
you can actually see that third nipple in Fear. But
even crazier I've seen it. There is one other celebrity
that tops in with four nipples. What you say, can
(34:21):
you guess who it is? What's going on here? What
celebrity has for nipples? I don't know the answer to this,
but I've got my Google fingers. Really will never believe it?
Are you ready give us a hit? Give us a hit?
Suping guests. Um. He is also a referenced in a
Taylor Slift song Taylor Lautner drum roll please Harry Styles
(34:47):
has four nipples? Google it? Oh my god? Really? And
the last one fact about Mark Wahlberg, Um, he started
a burger chain called the Wall Burgers with his brothers. Yeah, wow,
this is worth the Google guys, And we're listening. Where
are the other two nipples? Kind of below and to
the sun. And that's it for pop culture references. Vastly improved.
(35:14):
But we need everyone to email us and let us
know if we're nailing it now. Yeah, they will. They
don't need to tell us. They don't need to be prompted.
It's like a tsunami. Well you're at it, let us
know everything else, God, but you know we need them.
(35:35):
We do appreciate it. A few people still say the
timeline is screwing. Nobody can get the timeline straight. And
here's what I've come to terms with. It is still
a TV show, and the timeline is not perfect. There
are some flaws in the timeline. You're referring to what
how nobody can quite know what age you met Rory
(35:56):
and Loralae, because there's another reference where Rory acknowledges she's
no in you all her life. So I'm going with
my truth. My truth is my truth, you know. So
it's gotten me in a lot of trouble, so maybe
I shouldn't go with ye. I'm so ready with my
(36:19):
favorite lines. I have so many from this episode. How
we should I've said them all, but I still think
I got kissed in shoplifted. And then of course Mrs
Kim at the grocery store where we buy our food,
and then the entire refrigerator conversation with the guy on
the phone is just everything. Um, it's just like, all right,
(36:42):
who's who's gonna start off? Riley, what's your favorite line
of the episode. My favorite line is from Laura Lee
when they're talking about the kiss and they see Dean
in the grocery store and she said, that must have
been some backbender, that kiss backbender. Oh my god. I
think my favorite is I got kissed in I shoplifted
(37:04):
because it made me laugh so much. But everything Lorelai
said to the guy the refrigerator repairman on the phone,
it is I could just listen to it all day.
So this was tough for me because there was so
many There's always so many great lines and it's hard
to just pick one, but you gotta pick one. So
for me, it was the reference to um Magnolia when
(37:31):
Rory said, my mother when we when we were in
the movie theater, my mother was screaming, I want my
life back three. I mean, it's just it's it's it's
Amy's way of, you know, slamming what she considers to
be a pretentious film that it's like, what are you
doing here? It's like frogs, it's raining frogs. Okay, like,
(37:56):
what's happening. It's like, somebody, you're trying to entertain me
with this. I never understood anything of that movie. But
it's a it's a style of filmmaking. It's a type
of director, writer, director, and you know, sometimes they get
it really right and and sometimes you know, it's it's
a fine line between being profound and pretentious, you know.
(38:18):
And and I don't know, I like the film, but
I just thought it was really funny. That's a reference.
It's like Amy gets to slam the things that she
finds obnoxious throughout the seven years, and I find those
really satisfying and very funny. But that that's a funny
line screaming I want my life back while you're watching.
(38:39):
It's really funny. Uh So that's mine and I think
it's the best one. So there you go. Before we
started talking about love and war and snow because that's
next week. So Genji Cohen is the writer of Kiss
and Tell. I never realized, she wrote on Gilmore. She's
the genius writer of Orange is the New Black and
Weeds telling you they the talent coming out of the
(39:02):
writer's room was second to none, you know, they had.
That's probably why Kiss and Tell was so hilarious also
because Weeds and Oranges The New Black are comedies, but
their drama. Yeah, I mean, you've got a murderers row
of writers on that staff. So it's it's a wow,
(39:25):
just such enjoyable, so enjoyable. I'm not actually gonna watch
it today again. I'm gonna watch Kiss and Tell again
because I enjoyed it so much and now I got
and I get to rewatch them because I've seen them
once and now I can, you know, because I'm getting
so much like a fan, you know what I mean,
I'm starting to get obsessed. So Kiss and Tell is
the first episode that Jenji Cohen wrote, and it totally
(39:47):
makes sense to me because it's filled with humor and
snark and everything that is her tone. And I think
that's why, you know, other than when the Paladinos right it,
It's like, I love the way she writes. Yeah, if
you get some right years on here, we got we
have to talk to these writers, definitely, weinitely talk to
these people. But we have a big surprise coming soon,
so I don't want to spoil it yet. Be ready, Yeah,
(40:14):
like in the next couple of weeks. Good job, I
hope you learned to like Dean a little bit better
than you do. Right now, it's it's not going well
for him in Luke's mind. Have a bad feeling. Somebody
warned us on the Instagram that next week you may
(40:34):
have a fit because I think there's something coming with Max.
I'm a little nervous. Dean cooked his own ghosts. He
kissed her in public, he went toe to toe with Laurel,
and then he mentioned boogie Nights to Rory. He's a manipulator,
he's corrupting her. I'm not having it. I'm sorry. I'm
afraid we may need a therapist next week. What I
(40:57):
think is it's not about Dean, it's about mat You
better get those don't get me a therapist, You get
those two bodyguards. I'm coming out. That's what it's all about.
I got Jersey coming out of You don't do that.
You don't do that stuff. You better text text me
after you watch uh the next episode, so I know
(41:18):
I can prepare myself to your state of mind. The
therapy is going to be in the exercise. I get therapist.
Line one. It's not about bye guys, Hey everybody, and
(42:01):
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