One on One: David DeLuise

Yep! He's TJ's Brother on GG and IRL!

The phenomenal David DeLuise joins Scott as they share cherished memories from incredible times together. You will laugh and you are going to love this interview!

David's real life brother Michael is TJ so it only makes sense David is TJ's Brother!!  (and yep there is another brother Peter!)
 
David went on to become Selena's dad on Wizards of Waverly Place!
 
Scott and David cover it all!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in. Oh, I am all in with
Scott Patterson, an I Heart radio podcast. David, How are you?

(00:26):
How are you? David? Long time? No see. I know
it's been a long time. You know, I know it's
been a while. But when I read about the passing
of your dad, I was so so down in the
mouth about it. I reached out to Michael, but I
guess he changed his number. Um, but I remember being
at your house. I remember being at his house with

(00:48):
you guys back in the nineties and he served this
elaborate lunch of chicken that he could. I mean, it
was just like this amazing He's an amazing host. We
were laughing, you know, we tears coming out of our eyes.
I mean, that was your That's how you grew up.
And I got to experience one afternoon of that, and

(01:08):
I just went away from that experience going, man, those
guys are what a great family and what a great guy.
Are you trying to make me crying because it's working, Yes, No,
But I just you know, I hadn't seen you in
so long, and I just it affected me because he
was just one of the great you know, one of
the great wits and one of the great talents and

(01:30):
one of the great people that this business has ever known.
I mean, he was a legend. He's a worked very fast,
like you know in like Jonathan Winters, Rock Williams that
you know, certain comics, but also that that like I
see it as some of those people where their mind
works that fast and they're so in tune. It's like

(01:51):
they're kind of in touch with different kind of paralleled
energies and universes and stuff. So you can kind of
a lot of those comedians, we're not the happiest and
that kind of was a little bit of what was
masking that, you know. So but thank you for saying that,
and I really appreciate that. That's very sweet of it. Yeah,

(02:12):
but it's great seeing you, ladies and gentlemen. We have
the David de Louise. He portrayed TJ's brother and Gilmore
Girls for two episodes. First episode, season four, Episodes twenty
Luke Cancierface. Second episode was season four episode twenty one,
Last Week Fights this Week's Tight. He's an actor, director, producer,

(02:34):
son of legendary actor and comedian Dom Deloise, the Great
Dom Deloise actress Carol Authors. Godparents are mel Brooks and
Anne Bancroft. Wow. David and his brothers Peter and Michael
have carried on the legacy of their father Dom by
all continuing to act. Dom has won the admiration of

(02:54):
millions of children and parents alike. Verst portrayal of family
patriarch I'm sorry. David has won the admiration of you
know what's interesting? Go ahead? What's so nice that that
works for me or my dad? Um on the Dignity

(03:17):
Award winning digital channel series Wizards of Waverley plays for
a hundred and six episodes plus TV movies. More recently,
David has guest starred on the shows The Rookie, This
Is Us, and Home Economics. Let's start out, um with
some Gilmore stuff. You played TJ's brother, but also TJ's
played by your your real brother, Michael, you stand by.

(03:41):
Thank you for that introduction, and whoever wrote that made
me sound very cool. We have a crap. We have
quite a team over here. And the thing and I'll
just say this, the thing with the Wizards regularly places
Jennifer Stone and I who played Harper. We're doing We're
doing what you're doing, which is the rewatch right, right, right,
and it's it's it's really fun and I uh and

(04:03):
then really enjoying it. So yeah, uh the best thing Scott.
Maybe you agree or disagree, but when you're an actor
and someone calls you and says we want you to
work and you don't have to audition the best, that's
really good. Yeah. So when I got that call to
be Michael's brother on the show, I was like, oh

(04:25):
my god, that's so awesome. I can't wait to do that.
And um, I'll let you ask questions, but I have
stuff that I want to share with you. Uh So,
But yeah, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna get into your
podcast because it's so similar to this. No no, no, no,
I don't even talk about no, no, we are going
to talk about it, but we're gonna let's let's do
some Gilmore stuff. Did Michael suggest you right away to

(04:46):
join him on set? Was that how it went? Now?
You know what, I'll tell you this A lot of
times when you know when your family is in the business,
like when my brothers were doing SeaQuest, they brought me
and my dad on and we did a art right.
I actually did a part, a small part on twenty
one jumps to it with my brother Peter and Johnny Depp.

(05:06):
Hold on, it just dropped the name um and and
on on Third Rock from the Sun. Both Michael and
Peter and my dad played my family on that. So
it just as kind of happens, like if there's a
DeLuise brother. Michael and I played brothers. On Las Vegas.
There was a show called Muslie. Yeah and Yeah there was.

(05:31):
I don't know if Michael said to you guys like, uh,
my brother David can do it, you know, or just
the kind of came up. But to get that call
was so awesome because listen, I'm just gonna fan out
a little bit. I love this show so much. Um
And and I had I don't know if you know this,

(05:51):
but I had done a pilot. I had worked with
Lauren or we were we were married. We got married
on this show. Um there's not a happy end by
the way. Um but it was called Townies, Ron Livingston,
Jenna Elfman, Uh uh pretty and pink. What's the Molly ring?

(06:12):
Molly Ring? One? Yes, exactly me and and Lauren and
I had to kiss her. It was like one of
my first kisses. Like, but I was gonna say it's like,
you know, but then uh, it went from uh from
the pilot to the series and I was not optioned.
I was replaced by Bill Burr because it was um.

(06:35):
There were a lot of accents. It was Boston accent,
which is I don't know if you can do that.
It was tough, but I was I was let go.
But then I got to see Lauren again and worked
with you guys, so I was really excited to do that.
Oh that's great. You guys stick together as a family.
That's great. One one guy doesn't see the whole family
comes in. But if you're a producer on a series

(06:57):
and you've hired a day Louise, you'd kind of say
yes to the rest of them. Sure, bring him. You're
not gonna lose, you know. It's like that's a good
that's a good thing. So you too, You You and
Michael look so similar. Do you guys ever get mixed
up when you're going for roles? Do you ever get
confused that way? To Cassie, just mix you up. I

(07:21):
don't know about mix this up. But I did an
episode of CSI Miami and I pretty much was dead.
I was the killer. I you know, I'm tuning my
horn for a second. I was on all three U
c sis. I was the murderer, the red herring and
got the killed, I got killed the victim and Carusoe

(07:44):
is there. I don't know if you worked with him.
I have, I did that show. Yeah, okay, so you know,
so he's very into his own thing, like you don't.
You don't mess around like he's there, he's doing his thing.
And then he goes. But he came up to me
and he goes, I love your work. Very talented. Now

(08:08):
I said thank you, of course, But in my mind
I was like, oh, he thinks I'm my brother Michael,
Michael Dennis Brand's son on nypde Blue and and and
also there was something else like I hadn't really kind
of I don't know. I don't even remember when it was.
But I didn't feel like I had hit my stride.
So I thought that he thought that I was my

(08:29):
brother Michael, you know, which is so silly. And if
I may, and I know I'm talking a lot. I
had a look coffee. But I think I was very
similar to my dad. And then my brother Peter, my
oldest brother, is kind of a mixture of my dad,
and mom and then Michael, who happened to be born

(08:49):
on my mom's birthday. Is very I just see a
lot of my mom in the hand and his face.
And my oldest daughter was born on the same day.
Three generations one day is really really crazy. That's wild. Yeah. Wow.
So you know what, um, what was it like growing
up in that household? Amazing, so much fun? Loud if

(09:13):
you weren't loud, I mean you were there, you know
you said that. By the way, was every Tuesday, every Sunday,
you know, Carl Reiner or did Van Dyke, or Bert
or Ricardo Montavon or the Brooks is Mala man or
I mean Joe's Journey. The list is long. And I

(09:34):
got so lucky or Gene Wilder was it was such
a wonderful you know, worked all the people that my
dad worked with became his friends because he had no choice,
he had to be his friend, you know what I mean,
horrible and and it was it was a great experience.
I got so lucky to be around and and my

(09:55):
and my mom who was emblazing saddles and did the
Sunshine Boys and Broadway and it was you know, she
you know, kind of kind of gave that up to
raise me and my brothers. We had very involved She
was in the PTA and my mom was just so
wonderful and I I share this with people that that

(10:16):
she would say to me, you have a gift. You're
you're a wonderful person. And she would say that to people,
and whenever you left or go to an audition or something,
she would say, give your gift. You know, it's just
you know, amazing. So yeah, it was fun. We had
a good upbringing. My dad was you know, there was
one time where I was it was open house, you know,

(10:36):
where your parents go to school. And I think I was,
I don't know, ten or eleven, and I said to
my dad, I said, Dad, you're going to meet all
my teachers, so can you just not say the F word?
That's my dad had a bit of a body mouth,
you know, So that happened. But I was very lucky
to be with not only loving parents, but you know,

(10:57):
I mean, was it acting right into it? You know,
at dinner it was like who can make me laugh?
Who can cry? You know? The improv you know yet end.
And it was also interesting because my dad always said
to us, you can always get into this business. But
you can only have a childhood once. So he really

(11:20):
encouraged us. We all went to public school, to Pacific
Palisades and Paul Revere Pacific Palisades High, and you know,
we did plays and stuff and we keep on us.
I mean, now I'm really dating myself. But he bought
us a video camera so we could make our own movies.
And it was like one of those old ones that

(11:40):
had to be attached to like a big VCR thing,
And so me, Michael and Peter were making home movies
like nobody's business. It was did you do that when
you were younger? Oh? Sure? Oh god? Yeah. Me and
this the kid down the street, Jimmy Twitchell made uh,
we made war films. We I was running for president

(12:03):
in the film. I was a Vietnam Vet. So we
were like, you know, six years old and we were
making these little movies. Yeah. So we did all that stuff. Yeah,
it's so much a lot of fun. Yeah yeah, um,
and you got to transfer all that stuff if it's
on film, you know, so we took I mean we
had film like this was great. Michael actually did this

(12:25):
because we used to play the Super eight and my
dad would sit down and he would narrate it because
there was no send. So before my dad passed away,
my brother Michael recorded him narrating the movie and it's
actually online. Michael uploaded it. So it's like the Dracula
Brothers and the Bloody Cave Brothers. There's if the old
home movies are there, people can enjoy it. Oh that's fantastic.

(12:47):
I tell you, I spent a couple hours there. I
didn't want to leave. I did not want to leave
that house. I mean, you shouldn't have. I'm surprised you
did that. The one interesting thing is I, you know,
every once in a while struggle with my weight, and
I would be going over to my dad's house and
I would I would have already eaten, and he would say,
do you want a sandwich? Second you walk in, you

(13:08):
want some food? His Italian. And that's how you showed love, right,
So I said, I'm good Dad, I ate and he
would go it was not happy, but he would prepare
sandwiches and we would sit down. We'd be talking for
two hours, you know, after the tea whatever, and I
take a bite of a sandwich and he would go, ah,

(13:30):
I knew you were hungry, but he was so warm
and so kind and so welcoming and just I just
remember him smiling and laughing and telling jokes and being
fast and funny and witty, and with plates full of
food and shoving them at us and like we were
just eating our faces off and laughing. It was just
it was fantastic. It was It was a great afting.

(13:52):
He enjoyed himself and he was so interested, genuinely interested
in people. I'll never forget every time we would take
a cab to the airport, he would say, what's your name,
you know, whatever the person's name was, and what did
your father do? And he would always somehow get the
life story out of every person he would come in contact.
And he wasn't just you know, bologning you know with them.

(14:15):
He was like asking genuinely how are you and wanting
to know. He was very interested in the in the
human experience. How would he how would he get I mean,
how would he get through a public space with everybody
wanting his attention and autograph or whatever it was back
in the day, right, because it wasn't selfies, it was

(14:36):
it was autographs and I want to like shake your
hand and I loved you in this movie or that movie.
What was that like? Well, that was an interesting time
because you would have to have a pen. He always
had a sharpie on him because you're always looking for
a pen. Ca of your autograph? Okay, let's find a pen.
Does anybody have a pen? But you know, he just

(14:57):
he had sharpies all over the place, you know, So
he was he was like autograph, Yeah, I saw your face.
What do you want? He was great. He was a master.
And I learned this from him, and I'm very lucky
that I learned this. And it really I understand people
want privacy in their lives, but if you're going to
be in this business, they take a piece of you.

(15:17):
Your privacy is you know, you have to make sure
that you're going to a place that's private. But he enjoyed.
He loved it when people were like gay, you know
in New York it's like dum and he would say
hello to them and say hello, and he had his pen.
Somebody had a camera or something, but he would genuinely
be like, you know, thank you so much, or oh,

(15:39):
I'm gonna tell I can't do it because it's a
bad bird. But I'll tell you that joke off Eric
I learned what my dad did. If we were having dinner,
my dad would if somebody came up, he would say hey.
He would either say, you know, after dinner, I'm happy
to do whatever you want, or he just would be like, hey,
thank you so much, and he would just he had

(16:01):
the thing and he's like, here's an autograph from thank you.
You know, I appreciate you know. He just he never
had a bad attitude. But now, Scott, this is what
I do. They go like this are you? And I'm like, yes,
how are you? And I'm usually joke and say I
played the mother and they're like, oh, no, you have
a phone. They get the phone and I just take

(16:21):
the selfie. I'm like, hey, how much? It's so nice meeting. Obviously,
if someone wants to talk to me a little more,
I will, but I can get a fan interaction down
to like eleven seconds. It's amazing. Huh. Sometimes you have
to right, yeah, yeah, exactly. And of course, I mean,
do you appreciate it when someone says, oh I love
your work? Oh yeah, yeah. I stand and talk and

(16:44):
if I can talk with him, I talk with them,
and they're usually very nervous and I just sort of
calm them down and talk to them like hey, and
we're old pals. And then they you know, they they
leave happy. They're always leave happy. And they must be
a little surprised because your character, you know that you
were most known for its a little crumpy's a little
like get out of my diner. It must be so

(17:06):
happy that they are they are. Yeah, you know, we
did it. We did a live event at a podcast
event at Warner Brothers on December twenty second, in front
of an audience, and I just you know, after that
was over, I went out in the crowd and just
like you know, you want to get to everybody. You can't,

(17:27):
but you but you try, because that's there's a lifeblood
of everything that you do in the business. Of course,
I mean, it's all about fans. I I watched something
happen on my show two things per that story. After
every taping, you know, because we were a multicam, all
the audiences there, they would bring the audience down to
the alley where you know, where the cameras are and

(17:49):
we would take pictures for after the show for half
an hour oh whatever it was wow. I mean we
would have our visitors right, you know what I mean
like i'd have my family friends want to take pictures
with them, and then vice versa and all that. And
in the beginning, I was like, you know, we shot
the first season in a hole, like we hadn't been
on TV yet. I was like, this is not gonna last.

(18:11):
But it did. We lasted the whole time, the whole series.
I mean, every once in a while there was like
four big men around Selena making sure nothing happened right.
But the interesting thing was Selena started her music career
while we were still doing this, and I saw her
go up to the audience and just say, I am

(18:34):
so sorry that I can't take pictures with you guys.
I have to go to Texas right now to do
a concert. I just want to say thank you guys
for making us, you know, for being there, for supporting me.
And I watched this fifteen, sixteen year old girl address
her fans with such honor and dignity. I was like,

(18:56):
oh wow, that's a whole other thing. And that's right
when Twitter had just started. So you know, people, I
think I don't know what your take was on Twitter
at the very beginning, but I was like, I don't
want to do that and then it was right after
my dad had passed away and somebody was pretending to
be me talking about my dad and all this. I

(19:18):
was like, I gotta get on there and clarify. Then
there was no blue check or anything then. But she
what was so interesting? She had a lot of followers then.
Now she has three hundred and seventy seven million followers,
a lot of people. But back then she had like
I don't know, ninety thousand, one hundred thousand. I think

(19:41):
all the older people were like, what this is? This
is stilly, one hundred and forty characters. What you know,
I'm taking a walk and I think I was doing
the same Rubin show that KTLA, and I said, well,
if she has a book coming out or she can
reach one hundred thousand people in a Namo sec, like,
why wouldn't you want to do that? And they all

(20:02):
were like there was a panel of people and everybody
was like, yeah, that makes sense, right. Remember when Twitter
started or no, um, you know, I was really late
to the party with the social media stuff. But I
do remember sitting down I don't know, maybe a year
or so after it debuted, but I remember sitting down

(20:27):
with one of the executives, one of the top executives
of Twitter, and they were going to plot a course
for my social media engagement with Twitter. And they gave
me all these sort of secret codes and all kinds
of things and I and I stayed in touch with
them for a little while and it didn't improve my

(20:47):
numbers and all that. But yeah, I started on it,
but I just I didn't know what I was doing,
you know what I mean. I it took me. It
was a learning curve. But with hashtags and tagging people
in the hole, It's like, what's going on? So silly
I was? I was. I was reaching from my Almond
Brothers Records, wanted to you know, listen to music. But
you know, we became our own publicist. We had to.
You know, everybody was like, I'm you know, I'm doing

(21:10):
publicity for myself now content and everything. Okay, I'm gonna
tell you something that meant a lot to me after
I did the show, and you know, I mean, you
get a lot of guest stars, You've got a lot
of people there. But you invited me to your house.
You invited me to a pool party or if you remember,
I'm not going to say where that I actually do

(21:32):
remember that. I do remember, and I was so I
was like, Scott part what am I mean? Like what
am I going to wear? I thought I was, And
I wanted you did you did show up? Yes? Yeah, yes, yes,
and and there and I was like a little nervous.
I just I was so pleased and happy that you

(21:52):
included me and invited me. And when I went in,
uh beautiful house and with the pool and everything done
a lot to me. And I I always if anybody
asked me about doing um Gilmer Girls, and so many
people are such big fans of the show. I mean
I was there for two episodes, very small stuff, but

(22:15):
everybody remember, I mean you you know, you know, but
I always say he invited me to his house. I
was so happy. I was always having little last minute gatherings.
I loved. I loved that was that was a party house.
You know, that was a house to serve food and
drink and it was just you know, that was Dick
Martin's house. He built that house. Yes, that was his house.

(22:39):
So all of so, so the stories go. The realtor
told me before I bought us, like every major Hollywood
star has been to this house. And Dick would make
them jump in the pool fully clothed during the parties
as a rite of passage that they were in the clothes.
So he says, everybody's been in this Goldie Hawn's been
in this pool. Your father was probably in that pool.

(23:01):
I don't know, I guess, but it's got a lot
of vibes in that place. There's a lot of good
vibes in there. When I went there, I was so
honored and so happy to be and you know, on
your show, and you know, I hadn't seen Lauren since
I was not asked back to the series and all that,
so you never know how it's gonna bete. But I

(23:22):
saw her. She was so nice. It was so great,
and I experienced something. It's not so much about Lauren,
but it's more about just the time where we were
sitting there offset and we were having a conversation and
she was, you know, just looking down and doing something
so with her fingers. Oh, she's doing something with her
her phone. She's she's she's texting. I had not experienced

(23:46):
like texting, and I was like, oh, interesting, we're having
a conversation and she's also having a conversation with someone else.
I had no idea that was going to become the
entire you know planet that's the future. And I also
remember thinking, you know, you can't talk on the phone
when you're on set because you don't want to be

(24:06):
super loud or what. But so I was like, you're
silently able to communicate while you're on set. So that
was a big Like when I did Gilmore Girls, that
was a big thing. That that a realization that hit
me so right right, So your first day of film?
Do you remember your first day of filming? I remember
the wardrobe fitting. Yeah, I had to well, I had

(24:26):
to wear tights because it was the Renaissance wedding. I mean,
I know that was the second episode, but they had
three put me in tights and not I had worn
tights one other time because I did mel Brooks's movie
Robin Hood men in tights and so I had been
in tights. And you know, rewatching the episode that Michael
talks about tights or the new thing and fights are great.

(24:49):
The one bad thing about tights is you don't got pockets,
So I don't have my speech as if you couldn't
put them in the jacket body, you know. But I
just remember you know, because it's interesting. When you do
a job. The wardrobe people are to I mean other
than casting, but the wardrobe people are typically the first
person the people you meet, you know, and so nice,

(25:12):
so sweet. Um and my my biggest, my biggest memory
because you guys, I do not know how you memorized
all those lines. I do not understand it. I mean,
in my in my prime, I would have never been
able to to remember everything. Oh, you would have been

(25:35):
able to do it. I mean, I understand it's a
muscle when you do it. You would have been able
to do it. Yes, when you guys come, when you
guys come, and I'm ushering you into the wedding. In
the second episode, I have a crime, and I said,
I'm TJ's brother. I do this. I have long furniture
and this in a store, this and that, and I
was like, I spoke literally as fast as I could.

(25:57):
And then in the cut okay, and the director came
up to me, it's a a good job. Talk fast right,
Oh my god, how how do I talk about no? Uh? Well,
you know. Then again a TJ's wedding, it looked so
magical with all the renaissance team and to film at
the iconic Gazebo and Star Soil. Did you like your costume? Yes?

(26:21):
I thought I looked very adorable. You know, if I
may jump to the Strip club for for a moment
right where we come in and you're reluctantly going and
and and Jess is reluctantly going right uh and and
the dialogue, man, the the intelligent dialogue, the weighty banter

(26:45):
that you guys have has never been replaced on another show.
And the particular thing that happened here, and I love
the the insight to that he said, you said, I
don't want to lap dance? Well, do you want to
sit down? No, I don't want to you know, no lap,
no dance. And then Michael goes on the whole tangent

(27:05):
of you know, that's interesting what you said there that
there's no laps or if it's not there, where does
it go? It doesn't happen. It's an illusion, right, And
then what do I say? The way his mind works?
And then when he comes it's like you would catch
everybody up. And and then this is the favorite thing
that I've said in a long time, is a lap

(27:26):
is an illusion. It's like it's like it's a set thing.
We have scientifically proven this. It's not a body part.
A lap is not a body part. And then there's
a fight. And listen, my brother Michael is a wonderful actor.
He he's killed it in so many things. I mean,
my favorite thing he did was the NYPD Blue where

(27:47):
he played Dennis Rand's Son's just so good. But camp TJ.
Michael is TJ was so he just was there. He
just was. It was almost like he was a piece
of meat loaf. He's like, Hey, what are we gonna do?
But over there, all right, I'll do it. So he
talked fast, but in a in a kind of mellow way,

(28:08):
you know. Um. So I loved him show. I thought.
I thought his character was was so so far. I
loved that we had to we got into a fight women,
you know, mud wrestling. It was very exciting. That was funny. God,
that was funny. Um. But can I ask you a question, yes, yes,

(28:29):
so you started this quite a while ago because you're
you know, you're on season the end of season four,
which I listened to a couple of the shows and
and a lot of people really loved season four. Season
four seemed to be a a special one. You know,
not not that they all weren't special, um, but when

(28:51):
you rewatched the show, right, I Oh, I remember some things.
And then sometimes I'm like, I have no idea, no
clue when I'm about to do no, I have no
idea what's about to happen, and I'm watching it objectively
the right you know, have you what you're where's your
memory with when you're rewatching I have very little memory

(29:13):
of anything. I mean, I'm not kidding. I mean the
only thing I did remember one thing. There was a
scene when I came where Nicole, the girl I married,
she's cheating on me and I find out and I
was because I was in her apartment. I wore his socks.
There was another pair of socks in there. It says
I'm not wearing my socks. And I'm telling Laurela this

(29:36):
because she's sitting at the she's sitting at the bar
of the diner and I come around. That's when I
remembered about that scene. I didn't remember anything I said,
but I do remember coming around and getting in her
face a little closer say I'm not wearing my socks.
Because it was like one of the few times I
could do kind of like a little bit of heightened comedy.
You know. It was so dramatic, but I had to

(29:57):
really nail the comedy part of it that I remembered.
Nothing else do I reb? I don't remember anything nothing.
It's like I'm watching a stranger and I'm like, oh,
you know, like I kind of stuck because one script
has to go in and then go out so you
can make for the next one, you know, That's how
it is. I don't remember the Lauren's mother. I don't

(30:21):
remember her name, but I watched an interview recently and
they were talking about it and they all said the
pilot script was awfully thick. They were like, this is
like how how could how could this be a comedy,
you know, because it was so much Okay, Okay, I

(30:43):
have a question, and I hope this is okay to ask. Yeah,
but when did you get the scripts for table? Because typically,
and correct me if I'm wrong, you get an outline,
you get a script, you get it. This all the
departments get to know, like, oh, we need to have
fire engines on a onesie for a going up person

(31:05):
right right right right right. So I don't remember everything,
but what I do remember was I think that the
actual scripts were held very close to the vest and
only released very soon so that they couldn't be messed with.
Is that true. It is true. They did hold on
to them until the last minute, and once we got

(31:27):
them a day or two before we had to shoot,
it was you know, but we were used to that
pace of memorizing and I you know, I do remember
the first I think that was the first episode we
did in California, because we shot the pilot in Toronto.
We got picked up We're doing episode two at Warner Brothers,

(31:47):
and it was six am and it was we hadn't
even been to the set yet. On the first day
of the first scene the first episode, they throw a
ten page scene at its hot off the press and
Lauren and I looked at each other like, oh, we
are so screwed. But we we realized we could do
the show and we weren't going to screw up because
we actually pulled that off. I don't know how we
did it, but we just sort of got together and

(32:08):
we just sort of ran, ran, ran, ran it, ran
it in the in the in the fifteen twenty minutes
that we had and we got it. We got it.
If you can do that. You can do anything. Yeah,
But I think I think anybody can do it if
they're put in the in that situation where they have
to do it. I disagree. I disagree really that it's
a big Well listen, there's there's I'm not just talking

(32:31):
about actor. I'm just talking about anybody. Like there's there's
not a lot of people that can take a ten
page scene, film it and kill it fifteen minutes later.
You know. I mean some people can kind of do it.
But to do that it is not an easy thing.
It's I'm you know, my hat which I don't have
on my head. Well, we had you know, we had

(32:53):
George Bell there. He was our dialogue coach and he
would come to our trailers and we'd run run, run, run,
run line. I mean, we were you know. The thing,
the thing that I learned very quickly on that show
is that if you didn't go to set completely bulletproof,
you were going to have a bad day, you know.
And that happened to a couple of people that were

(33:14):
guest stars or recurring or you know, they didn't come
to set Bulletproof and they had bad days. You Know,
it was tough because when that that red light turns
onto camera and they say action and you've got all
that stuff to spit out your You're like, oh god,
I'm not ready. I can't do this. I'm going to
screw this up. So I learned very quickly to be
bulletproof and just walk on set knowing your stuff. And well,

(33:38):
I mean we all should be. It's awesome, and we
all should be bulletproof all the time, you know. Like
I teach acting to kids, and I'm like, there's three
important thing things. Know your lines. Know your lines. Know
your lines. I mean, if you don't know your lines,
you're you can't do anything right. You know what I mean,
you can't make anything to happen right, you know? Right?

(33:59):
And and it's interesting, what was it? Uh? Whatever I did? It?
I did? Oh ncis. You weren't allowed to have minis.
You weren't allowed to have any You couldn't have little signs,
really couldn't have any They said no minis. And that
was a way of them saying, you know your lines,

(34:20):
you know? And oh no, no no, no, you know what
it was, you know, it was shameless, shameless, they said
no your lines. And I had to say I was
like a military guy, and I had to say, you know,
the M one eighty two main battle tank is worked.
You know I had. I was saying all this right,
right right, I like you said, repetition with my wife.

(34:41):
I just did it over and over. That's all you
can do, Yes, that's all you can do. But I cheated, Okay,
I had, I had it just I headed in my
pocket because if you go blank? Have you ever gone blank?
With lines? I'm sure of course, yeah, you're like, who
am I? What show is this? I don't know where
I am right now? You know, I need a cookie?

(35:03):
And one of the episodes you're or not this episode?
I think you're listening to a cassette tape, which is
just amazing, right, I mean that doesn't exist anymore, you know.
And I even think at that time it was kind
of little, right, I think so too, I think so too.

(35:24):
So did you watch the episode last night or today
or to refresh? I watched the whole episode, and then
I watched clips and the next one because we were
talking more about twenty but and then of course I
went down to freaking rammin hole and I'm watching interviews
of you guys later. Yes, I'm listening to the podcast,

(35:45):
and it was like a recap of how it all
came together. That Amy went in pitched all these ideas
and they were like yeah, no, thank you. And then
she was like, well there's this mother and daughter thing
that I'm thinking about. Then they're like kind of friend
and they were like okay, And then she had to
go and then write the show right and come in

(36:05):
and she was staying in and inn or something whatever. Whatever.
It's just like, man her mind, but an amazing person.
What a wonderful treat that we all got to go
to that that world in her head. And then of
course I'm like, what were the that she pitched? What
was the other you know what I mean? Yeah, right,
you wonder you wonder right, my my my dad told

(36:30):
me is real quick. But my dad told me a
story that Burt Reynolds was going to pitch one idea
for a game show and they were all in the
car on the way there and they said, we're really
excited to hear all three pitches. And they were like,
so where, well, we'll be right there. So on the
car right over, they came up with two more pitches
and one of those is the one that they sold

(36:51):
and it was a wind loser draw. No, I remember
that show that was That was Burt Reynolds and you're
dad well little, I mean my dad guessed on it.
But it was Bert. It was Bert's baby. I mean
he who's the one who came up with her? Did
it run? Did it run for a while? Yeah? Remember

(37:12):
that show it were in for. It was fun, you
know it was. It was basically just us watching celebrities
played pictionary right right, right, right right, and it was fun.
Um all right? So after Gilmore you go to Wizards
of Waverley places Jerry with Selena Gomez, who played your daughter.

(37:33):
Can you believe her success after the show? I can?
I can, and I'll tell you why I can. She
was one of the most professional kids. I mean, all
the kids were great, but at fourteen, she was hitting
her boom. I'm like, we just did a table read.
You're like, off book? What do you? You gotta hold
your What is happening? How don't you know? I was like,

(37:53):
what is going on here? And her timing was impeccable,
so young, and I went up to her and I
was like, I said, what how did you How are
you doing this? You're fourteen? This is not open. What
you know? Are you? Are you pretending to be young
and you're a grown birds. What's happening? She said? She said,
don't tell anybody. But because she was so young, she

(38:16):
wasn't technically allowed to watch Friends yet, but she said
she's watched every episode of Friends. And if you watch
her performance, she has mixed those those three women into
who Alex Russo is, you know, and and just learned
she learned timing that way and and her instincts were great.
And I'm really I'm really happy for her success. And

(38:38):
also now with her um, you know, her new documentary,
she's talking about mental health. She's so wonderful. She has
a platform, Her ability to do nothing is there, but
yet she uses her her platform to do good, to
raise money for charities. She's just she you know what

(39:00):
she is. She's just a regular you know, Texas girl
who likes to eat fried pickles. And she's a good person,
you know. So I'm very happy for her success. And
I'm I'm not shocked, um, but you know, you never know,
there's a lot of talented people out there where. I mean,
she also got a machine behind her, you know, sure,

(39:21):
like yeah, we're going to do this and this and this,
and it can be hard to on the kids, you know,
to have that much success that quick, everybody saying yes
to you, even you're you're you're fifteen years old, you
know it really it really has to do I think,
and I have two daughters, you know it has to

(39:41):
do with the parents. Absolutely. Absolutely. You have to give
them boundaries, you know what you do. It's so easy
to be like, hey, go have fun, you know, go
stay out to whatever you want. But if you stay
then you got to be home in eleven and they're
not take the phone away or do something, and that's
not fun us now, you know, it is not you.

(40:02):
That's the hard part. You try to be the you know,
the tough guy, and then you go in your office
and you break down. Did I just do that to
my little guy? He was so funny. There was one
moment where I was divorced when my oldest was ten
she's twenty nine now, and when when my young they're

(40:24):
about four and a half years apart, they were having
a fight. One was playing the guitar, was playing the
drums and they were mad, like I don't know, maybe
a drumstick went flying and I was, you know, go
to your room, you know, right right right, And my
oldest just crossed her arms and was like, h what
are you gonna do about it? And I didn't know

(40:45):
what to do. I was like, all right, fine, make
your own dinner. I'm I'm going to my room, you know.
And I took away her computer, her phone, her TV
and I just hid them everywhere, right, and I it
was so hard, but I was like, I just stayed
in my room. You know. In the morning she knocked
in there. She said, did you take my phone away?
And I said, no, you forced me to take it, right,

(41:08):
And she said when am I getting it back? And
I said, I don't know, We'll see, you know, it's
not like I'm taking it for two days or you
know what I mean, Like, I don't know. I was
like I felt that there was the best parenting day
of my life, right right right. It's it's not it's
not easy, but you gotta you know, you there have
to be consequences. Yeah, how old are yours? Well? I

(41:30):
have an eight year old boy. He's going to be
nine in June. Uh. He's just such a great kid.
He doesn't get in trouble. He's really busy with what
he's doing. He's involved with robotics and karate are his things.
I mean, he it's almost a daily ritual for him.
And he's you know, he's on these international sort of

(41:51):
robotics teams and sumobot teams and he's he's you know,
he's getting deeper into the karate where he's going to
start competing, and so he's very are you busy. So
he's gotta do he's got to do his homework and
he's got to and then you know, we drive him
to his his instructors, you know, the dojo or the
or the robotics academy. But he's, yeah, he's he's busy.

(42:12):
He's you know, he's not he's not screwing up yet.
And I'm just you know, I'm like, you know, I'm
pins and needles. And he's a good kid and he
and he and he listens to us, you know, he
does listen to but he's but he's very feisty. You know,
he's super smart. He's like five times as smart as me.
And he's always twisting man nuts, you know. Um, but
you know, he, uh, there's there's been a couple of

(42:34):
times where you know, but the thing about him is,
you know, every kid's different. You know, some kids you
gotta get a little i don't know, maybe a little
bit loud so it sticks. But with him, you know, no,
you just he he's really smart. So if you talk
to him and you're calm and you and you just
sort of logic it out for him, he gets it.

(42:56):
He says, yeah, you're lucky, so wonderful. Yea happy Yeah,
I love that you said. I'm paraphrasing now. But he
hasn't he hasn't screwed up yet, or he hasn't he
hasn't turned. Yeah, like you know they're gonna turn like
h thirteen fourteen, It gets funny like fifteen sixteen, you know,
if they actually look at you at one point. Yeah, right,

(43:19):
right right. I always felt like it was different with
girls though, I mean I just have two girls. But
the two girls were just very behaved, and you know,
everything was happening. And then when they you know, like
when the turn happened. You know, when when they get
a little older, what were you thinking? Right, right, and
the boys are like, you know, they're doing what I

(43:40):
don't know, karate or they're being loud and things are happening,
and then like in fourteen, they sit down on the
on the you know, play video games on the couch
and don't move right. I mean, so it becomes a
lot of you. It's like, where's your son. He's over
there on the couch, right, but not to say that
your son is going to do that. I love that
he's in the karate and you know, it's important to
do something physical. I think, did you do karate when

(44:02):
you were younger? I know, I box. My dad was
a boxer in the army, so he taught me at
a box and then the kids across the street had
a basement with a little mini boxing ring and I
used to try to fight the older one. He used
to beat me up pretty much every time I challenged him,
which so I stopped challenging. And I fought a smaller

(44:22):
brother who used to beat me up as well because
they were good boxers. So I had a very short
career as a boxer. Um. But yeah, no, I got
into karate a little later, like you know, uh college,
and you know, I didn't pursue it the way I
wanted to. But he he loves it. He just loves it.

(44:43):
He really loves it. Um and he and he did it.
He did one of his first sparring sessions the other
day and he really just like went after the kid
and attacked him. And you know that's pretty cool to watch.
It's like, okay, I mean he does it with me.
He had ax me, right, you know, he wails away
on me and he hits hard. Man. But you know,

(45:06):
do you have do you have the pads and stuff
so that you know I'm going to have to get
them now though, because I can't. I can't take it anymore.
He's he's hitting too hard. So you know I used
to we used to do knuckles when he was growing up,
and he'd like just wail away on my stomach. I
can't do that with him anymore. I mean, he can't
do it if it hurts too bad. He's he's he
knows how to throw a punch now. I really knows that.

(45:28):
I hear you with that. My brother's son, Jake Ye,
actually actually got his black belt. Oh come, he's eighteen
and the the I don't know what you call it,
for two hours. Him and his his classmates had to
do certain things that that the sense was telling them, right,

(45:49):
you know, he had to do twenty spin back kicks
he did and we watched, like I was that you
were if you were a parent and you were or
uncle or or that kind of uf you were labeled
to watch on on a light feed like a zoom
kind of thing. And he did twenty and I was like,
oh man, I'm exhausted, right, why did he do that?

(46:10):
And then and then the sense I said, you didn't
all do it right, so we're gonna do it again.
I was like again then new hours later. I mean,
there was so many different they had to do their
their their you know, their their u forms you call
it where you your your your course like you're like

(46:31):
your routine. Yeah, that's called they're called the forms, the forms,
the forms, So the forms. I was so exhausted. I
was just watching and sweating, and I was like, how
does he do this? But the discipline and the focus
m esteem that you get from doing that is huge.
You feel, you know, a steamable acts create self esteem.

(46:53):
So you know, for him to do that and achieve it,
it's everything right that you you were probably why watching
um he was testing those kids that he was testing
them for higher belts. Yeah, yeah, exactly that right there,
because those tests are really grueling, you know. And Nick
Nick is about to test for a belt and it's

(47:15):
gonna be really a grueling session. He's gonna he's gonna
wear Nick out. He'll he'll wear him out. Um, and
then he'll decide whether he passes or not. And then
he actually, uh doesn't give the belt to the kids.
He says, you have to take it from me. And
this guy's a nineteen time world champion and you have

(47:36):
to take the beltway and you know, so they really
have to get aggressive with him. Um. Anyway, um, so
let's talk a little bit. I have a question. Yes,
I have a question. The last episode that I think
you did. You were watching the last episode, which was
I think nineteen of season four, and you said something

(47:57):
and I'm in the middle of your podcast. You said,
there's a scene coming up. Oh yeah, pivotal yet you know,
not the most It's just it was a lore lie.
What was that? Can I hear what it was? Or
should I just go back and listen? No? No No, is
that scene with Jason when she dumped them because he

(48:19):
was suing He told her I'm suing your father and
they were meeting at a cafe or something and they
were sitting next to each other, and I just, for me,
I've I've never liked her more because it was just
such a sim It wasn't it was no melodrama. The
writing was so taught, and he was great. Chris arguments great.

(48:39):
You know, he's a great, great actor, and the two
of them, you know, he was just saying, hey, you know,
things are really going south with your dad, and you know,
he's ruining my reputation and he blew up the business
I had with him, and he's going back to work
for my father and I'm just gonna have to sue him.
And she just her reactions to all that was like,

(49:00):
I just thought it was a masterclass. She was giving
a masterclass in acting. And I just I loved her
so much in that scene. I've never liked her more
in any scene because she chose her family. She goes, well,
you just can't do that. You can't. You can't sue
my family. You're you're not. And because they're dating, you know,
they're they're really they're really getting along and they're having
a wonderful relationship. And and she said, well, you just

(49:21):
can't do that. And he said, well, okay, you're gonna
sue my family. Then I'm out of here. Bye. So yeah,
she just gets up and leaves, and I just thought,
that's the scene. For me, that's the best thing I've
ever seen her do. A dysfunctional family can be dysfunctional
rights tour in the basis I'm there, I love you forever,
you know. I love when they play upon that theme.

(49:43):
And it's one of the few times that she got
to really just hang onto the family and and reach
out and embrace that family and defend the family. And
I was like, yes, what a brilliant scene, one of
my favorite scenes and the whole thing so far that
that's big, yeah, big. And I apologize for this question.

(50:04):
And I don't know how many times or Lauren has
she come on here and talk with you. No, no, no,
we were waiting for the right waiting till the end.
No no, no, we're waiting for the right moment. You know.
We're waiting for because we know it's going to be
a big deal. The fans will go crazy. Um, but
we want it to be perfect for her when she
wants to do it. Um, Well, what do you do?

(50:29):
You have to tell her that? I said, hi, I
will and as you know she's a good kisser. Yes,
I got to do that a couple of times. Yeah. Um,
So let's talk about your podcast a little bit. You
started your own, rewatch, Scott, I love you. We'll talk
about that even if we don't. And it's great. But

(50:49):
what was the man? You must have been asked this?
And I apologize? Oh god, why did Luke? I mean
I understand that there was a big thing that that
you couldn't really be together. I mean it was important
series wise, it was important for you guys not to
hook up, right, But why why? Why? Why was that

(51:13):
in your heart? Why did he not just go, like
you say, I'm all in? Why didn't he just do
that right from the game? Just abject terror? It was.
It was it was a bridge too far. She was
just too perfect, She was too classy, she was too quick,
she was too smart. She came from money. I mean,

(51:34):
this is the girl that he'd been fantasizing about when
he was a kid. You know what I meant? It? Okay,
that's good. Everything was a class you know what it
was for me? The choice I'm it was a class thing.
You know, I'm I'm I'm a I'm a blue collar
guy knows the grindstone. I'm up at five, I go
to bed at eleven. It's all business, it's all running

(51:55):
the diner. You know, I'm never leaving that town. I
am who I am. And then here's this bright light
that shows up from Hartford, and what a beautiful thing.
And you know, there's that, there's that series lingering thing
like Cheers, the Salm and Diane, you know, like are
they going to be together? They love they hey, they
love whatever's going on? Right, there's that. I mean, every

(52:16):
episode could be about whatever, but we always are like
thinking like what's going to happen there? What's going to
happen there? You know? But I always, I always love
that element where he felt he wasn't good enough for
her and that's what held him back as well, which
is wonderful because it's about our own thing. And what
is so interesting about what you're saying is we I mean,

(52:38):
we all are good enough, we all are good But
to have that, and what a wonderful arc because over
the entire series you had to change your mindset in
order to say, Okay, I'm all in right, which I love,
by the way, right, And I think I think that
character was made on the couple of times times he

(53:02):
had to watch her walk down the street through the
snow with another guy on her arm, and then he
we watched him die inside a couple of different times.
And I think that's where the character was made. I
think that defines the character more than anything. And it's just,
you know, just so beautifully written, you know, to get

(53:24):
that kind of gold to be in that situation, right,
it's just right. And I'm not kidding, right, how do
you feel like, oh, what about this show? That's it's
so unique, it's its own thing. And I'll tell you
something that my wife does. Okay, my wife, her name
is Julia. She's German. She's a voiceover artist in Germany.
We're living in America now, and every single bit of content,

(53:47):
all episodes of Gilmore Girls, someone writes the script into German,
makes it make sense somehow with all the references, and
then someone else has to go in and fit the words.
You Actually, on one of your podcasts, we're talking about
the ad R and how hard it is. It's not

(54:08):
that easy. Got really got to come to acting and
you got to match it and the thing that's that's
what she does for her living. You know what I mean,
she was matching all this stuff. It's really difficult and
it's not even you, it's someone else and a different language,
so it's intense. But just imagine just you guys talking
fast is hard, but try to do a different language

(54:31):
and put the Have you ever gone and watched in
German or have you watched everyone? I've seen it in
Italian and Spanish and I laughed so hard I fell
off the bed. It's just okay, well, actually, I'm sure
everything is fine in those languages, but Germans they don't
mess around it. It doesn't fit in the mouth, and

(54:53):
it doesn't they don't do it again. They do it
till it's perfect, the perfect action, and so it's so interesting,
and you know, I'm sure the fans love hearing that.
But you said, you said you, And this is why
I brought that up because I wanted to ask you
you said later or the show you're doing now? You
were doing the ad R on the on the day. No, no, no,

(55:18):
I'm doing it now. So it's four months later. Yeah,
I'm finally get to the We did ten episodes and
I'm finally like next week, I'm finally doing the final
episode ten ad R next week, and it's hard to
get back into that. You know, it's and if it's emotional,

(55:38):
it's really hard to do. I'd rather do it on
the you know, while we're in production. You know, have
you ever I've never That's why I asked, because I've
never heard of you know, going, oh, we need to record.
I mean I get it. You know, you have a
cadence and the timing tw you talk so you could
just say the line again without the plane just right
there for sound right, You're never you never recorded that there? No, no, no,

(56:04):
they never, they never, they know I've never done that. No,
And it's like they do it on movies. You don't.
You don't do the you do the ad R a
couple of months later. That's that's on a movie. But
TV shows I always did the ADR like there, you know,
like the next week for that episode, and they find
a day for you to come and do it because
you're like in it. You're like in the counter. Yeah right,

(56:31):
all right, So we're gonna do I've one, I have
one last question. Then we're gonna do rapid fire because
they're telling me to. We're at our time limit. What
it's crazy. No, no, it's no, it's it's one big
question and then a whole thing of rapid fires. Not over,
and you'll come back because we have a hell of
a lot more to talk about. What's your favorite memory
of your dad? And Mel brooks um, So Mel came over.

(56:54):
He would come over too real quick. So we were
watching Young Frankenstein and Mel was coming over to go
out to dinner with my parents. And Mel came in.
I said, we were just watching Young Frankenstein and he goes,
it was all downhill after that, I mean, he said,
quite a career. Oh, it's so funny. But Mel came

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over and we were really young, me and my brothers, Peter,
Michael and me and Mel said, whoever can fart first
gets a dollar. So my brother Peter's pants and I
got a dollar one two sorry, I said, like, Mel

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would not leave our house. You'd have Norman Lear, Clara Reiner,
Gene Wilder, and Mel would not leave a dinner until
he felt like he had said the funniest thing. Oh man, wow,
And I did. I did a scripted podcast with my
friend Melissa Clark. It's called Grandma for President. And we
did this a couple of years ago. We got mail

(57:58):
to do a part. It was so one and my
wife in German. I'm taking German. It's called to Hirshpield.
It's a it's an audio play like We're the World's
kind of thing, and and I produced it and did it.
We did it during COVID, so it was really tough.
But we got melt so I'm recording mel. We went
to him and Mel was like, so what do you want?
And I was like, I'm directing Mel Brooks. This is

(58:20):
really weird, mel whatever you'd like if you want. I
was like, can we do that one one more time?
Or whatever? You know that you can tell a comic
gus right Academy Awards, Hey can you can? You can
you you know, punch that up? You can understood? Now, Melanie,

(58:45):
we're mel Is and was just the best, just so
loving and match. Their son is so successful now wrote
World war Z the book and does many other things.
So yeah, the Brooks's are good. Okay, So when you
say rapid fire, it's a list of questions you have
to you have to answer quickly. I'm going to fire

(59:06):
them at you. You have to fire the answers back
at me. Ready, hold on. Let me get prepared. Okay,
go ahead, all right, I'm ready. All right, Here we go,
Here we go. How many cops to caff? Are you
having a day? Three? Or four? Are your team Logan,
Team Jess, team Dean? Yes? Who's your favorite Gilmore girl's character?

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What would you? What would you order it? Luke's Diner Burger?
Would you rather go to on a road trip with
Taylor or Michelle? Taylor? Finish the lyric and where you lead?
I will follow dot dot dot So you want me to,
I want you to complete, and where you lead, I
will follow. I will follow. What's the rest of No? No, no, no,

(59:51):
You're supposed to give me the rest of the lyric?
And where you lead, I will find anywhere that you
tell me too. It's an obedience thing. It's kind of
an obedience thing. Okay, I don't know. I'm a bad
singer and failed. All right, Jackson's vegetables are Suki's baked

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Goods Baked good Let me come on, I know, I know,
I know? Right? Uh? Would you rather listen to Drella's
harp or the Troupadour's cover songs? Hard Children, Prepper Stars,
Hollow High, Oh, Where she went? To college or a
high school. Right, private school or a public school. Childen

(01:00:35):
Prepper was a private school she went to. It's so
expensive that the grandparents paid for It's like fifty sixty
grand a year. I'll go with the private school. There
you go, childn Prep. You did so well, you did,
so you do. I don't know what it is, but
they're gonna let you know. Um David a joy a
joy a joy Um, so so good to see you.

(01:00:56):
Gotta come back, okay anytime we we only got well
we got all these fan questions, we only got to
about half of them, so there's more, so you got
to come back. Okay another time. I'm ready and and
you know, thank you for having me on. And yes,
we're doing the Wizards of Waverley Pod. So that's out
on on Mondays and then Spotify is and all over
the place. And Selena's episode by the way, huh. I

(01:01:19):
don't know exactly when you're airing or not, but but
next Monday is interviewed Selena and she's going to be
on it. Wow. Okay, so what's the name of the
podcast again? Wizards of Waverley Pod. Wizards of Waverley Pod.
They get it. On all the major platforms. Okay, anybody
who's listening to it, go and find it. You're they're young.

(01:01:41):
They they know how to do it. Thank you. They
get to teach us. All right, all the best, Thank
you so much. It's so great to see you and
good catching up buddy. Yeah, congratulations on your on your son.
Thank you. I hope everything goes well with the next belt.
I do too, so thank you and we'll talk to
you real soon. Okay, all right, are you? Take care?

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