September 16, 2024 • 58 mins
Spring has sprung but it’s a bit lackluster.
Lorelai and Emily are struggling in therapy…and so are we!
Is Rory out of her mind to be having an affair with Logan??!! And, it gets worse when she sleeps with a Wookie.
The storyline about LINES is as boring as it sounds.
Scott’s wife appears in the episode!! Did you see her???
Hey there Mae Whitman!
Hey there Paul Anka!
The fake Tristan was more than we can handle.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in. Let's just you.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I am all in with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I I'm all in podcast. iHeartRadio,
iHeart media, iHeart podcast. We are going to break down
the Netflix episode Gilmour episode Spring. I am enjoying a yeah,
but they call them episodes, you know. And I'm joined
by Amy Sigriman, and we are a skeleton crew today.
(00:44):
But we've got the beating heart of the podcast right here,
left ventricle, right ventricle with the heart of it.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
So we're gonna be here any second, so nobody.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
People will show up on the fly anyway, Amy and
I are going to take you through.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm not supposed to be eating, but yet I'm shoving
something in my mouth. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm going to have a little drink. I mean, it's water.
It's water.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I was going to say he made it sound like
it was a cocktail. It just but it's a beautiful
glass in a nice beautiful gloves.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And guess what's in here? Liquid IV is in here.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I was gonna say it has a small queue to
that water that made it not look it looked a.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Little funky drinking and drinking gin liquid.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
IV just to keep you healthier. Are you not feeling good?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
What do you mean? I drink it every day?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
What does it do for you?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
The liquid IV?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah? What does it do?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It's like it hydrates you. It's an extra hydration after
it works.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's water in your water.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
No, no, no, it's powder in your water.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It's fully more wetness in your water.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It expands the water molecule inside your cells or something. Doctor.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So it's spring.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Okay. So I'm just gonna say this, Okay. I think
Luke issued the ultimate warning about, you know, about the show.
Unintentionally he said, stop growing. You don't need to grow,
okay in this episode when they were talking about diner
(02:26):
in the franchise and holding yeah yeah really, I think
that is a metaphor for, uh, the ambitions this, these
very lofty ambitions of this particular film spring because it's
Gilmore Girls is a small town show, and it seems
to resist this sort of expansion on a global nature.
(02:49):
Rory's in London and then she's over here in a
big fancy meeting, and then she's over here and she's
flying her all around and you know, and then we're
at chilten in Paris is donating one hundred. I The
question that popped into my head is how many people
discovered this show via the Netflix episodes or films and
(03:11):
then went and watched the series and how they felt,
Because if I had just discovered Gilmore Girls via Netflix episodes,
I would have thought, Wow, these are pretty good and
this is interesting.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
If anybody watched the films that did not watch the show,
as the producer says she did, wait, Jackie, Jackie, get
in here.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I think there's a percentage of people that discovered it
via twenty sixteen episodes.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
You watched the movies, I sure did, so I will
answer Scott's question.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So tell to take us through it. So you discovered
on Netflix and you watched them. What was your reaction
when you saw them.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I enjoyed the movies because the way that they format
it in like getting to know these characters and all
of that, like taking you back to like I didn't get.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
All the nuances, but like I was well informed.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Of these characters watching it, you know, like I got
that Luke in that scene.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I got that Luke was like I don't want anything
to change.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Okay, He's kind of like wants to be stuck, not
stuck in his ways, but like he you know, likes
things to be the same in a small town.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
So I enjoyed all of these all.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Right, Now, when did you go back and watch the
series after that?
Speaker 5 (04:25):
I did?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And what did you think of the series? Did you what?
Did the series blow you away? Or did you think, oh,
it's not as good as the episodes?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
So the series I enjoyed. So it was all I'm
all out of sorts. So I have watched seasons three
through seven, but I when I came on to far Okay,
this is so bizarre. When I came on to help produce,
I started season three with you.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Guys, and then I already seen the movies and I've
already seen it. I know, I'm all out of sorts.
And then when I went on atterneyle we we stopped.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I think we were at like season five, and then
I kept going and then I rewatched the movies again
and then I got all the nuances and it was
better a second time around.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Wow, I know'd you. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I apologized because that never occurred to me, and we
have proof right here.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, you are right.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I guess that happened.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I was a little jarred with like how quick the
dialogue was because I wasn't used to that because I
never watched the theories.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
But then I still enjoyed it because I'm from a
small town, so I related to it. So I still
enjoyed the small town is and the feel of it.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And everybody, when Logan shows up, would you be like,
who's that guy?
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Exactly? I didn't know, like when.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Jess, I don't want to have any spoilers, but like
when of these people come back, you're probably like, who's that?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I like Milo because I was watching this as all right.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So we so we experienced as a cast this incredible
expansion of the fan base on a global basis that
we didn't notice until we were doing pr for these
Netflix episodes in twenty and sixteen, after we you know,
(06:13):
when they were ramping up the pr and then in
the ensuing years twenty seventeen, eighteen on to the present,
the audiences are getting younger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they
are more legions of fans, the more dedicated, they're as dedicated.
So I would love to see some numbers on how
(06:35):
many fans there were globally before the Netflix episodes happened,
or before anything even hit Netflix, because I know the series.
You know, Netflix made a deal to have the series
downloadable for the past what eight years or so, so
I think that has really spiked the numbers globally. And
(06:55):
then this it was just an explosion of fandom. Way
It's like the fandoms just grew and grew and grow
and grew since two thousands.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It's really interesting to have a show that has grown
right so much, right twenty years after it premiered. It's
like Friends, there's five right, there's a handful of these Friends,
a few of them that just keep finding an audience,
keep finding an audience. But this is you know, it's
(07:25):
pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
If we did if Warner Brothers announced that we were
doing a reboot of the series and were they ordered
twenty two episodes and the old gang was getting back
together and we were going to shoot at Warner Brothers
and you know, do it again, I bet you that
audience would be massive, massive domestic art. I bet you
the United States audience would exceed you know, fifteen million.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Actually totally agree with you.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
In a completely fractured market. I mean, it would be
the hit of hits because it's.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
How I feel about Sex and the City. And I
know people have like their opinions about the reboot, but like,
I'm so happy to have it because it's so this
is so makes me sound crazy, but it gives me
comfort to know that these people I love are around.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Right, and they're still around exactly. You know what. Maybe
they're not all in the right situations all the time,
and they're not saying the right things are acting like themselves,
but they look like them. But it's enough. At least
they're there.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's more than enough. Like it's really great.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think the fans feel and felt the love at
the time, even if they were like, ugh, I don't
like this, this is what I think they still there's
a part of them that, man, I'm so glad that
they did this for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And watching the movies again, they are so much better now. Interestingly,
I don't think Spring is as good as Winter, but
a lot of people disagree with me that Winter's the
worst one. But I still totally enjoyed it. Like I
had a great time watching it. It was not work
or homework. It was just like, oh, I'm so lucky
to get to watch this again, and I do have
(09:02):
to say I'm really glad that Matt zukries in this episode. Also,
it's like Logan is important to this in my opinion.
I don't know. Should we go through it? Danielle. I
know you're not gonna like to hear this, but you're
in charge today of taking us through it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
No, on the eleventh of never, Absolutely, Danielle.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yes, we're coming.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
We'll take you through the synopsis any day of the week.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, Okay, Danielle, you go.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
If you gave me a heads up, I will do
I can do the next one.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Okay, fine, So what I'm doing it?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, you're doing that.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I mean me and my bottle size for you. Okay. Well,
I gotta get my notes up, but all.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Right, I'll synopsize while you get your notes up. All right, guys.
So this is a year in the Live Episode two
spring air date November twenty fifth, twenty sixteen. Synopsis. Rory's
secret London affair continue news and her career doesn't seem
to be going anywhere. Luke gets a surprise offer from
Richard's will, while Lorelei and Emily continue their therapy. Michelle
(10:09):
is having a work crisis and Paris has a meltdown
in the Chilton bathroom.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So okay, so let's call out the flag right away, right, uh, Tristan.
Tristan like, why do we need to have? Like that
was just dumb, Like why do I need to It
was not Chad?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Obviously, No, it wasn't Chad.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It was just so dumb.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And I remember that bathroom scene with Paris being I
don't know, it was just rant. It really proves that
these you know, it seems like Rory was in a
lot of this episode with all of these supporting characters
(10:56):
and well especially Paris, but.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
It didn't have quite an enough. I did enjoy the.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Therapy, we can I did not. I did not great.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, we'll talk, I love I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Let's let's get chronological. I mean, we'd started out with therapy,
and I thought it was boring because it's like, I
don't want to watch these women analyze why they don't
like each other. I just I just want to see
them going nuts on each other.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, and I don't like about the therapy is the therapist.
The therapist wants absolutely nothing to do with helping us.
She was out and I'm like I wish the therapists would.
I would I would like it more if she had,
if she was trying to force them to talk, you know,
(11:43):
like instead of being like, oh, look is up.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
So in this particular scene, this is the first one
where they're just saying nothing basically, and then they kind
of the thing that made me giggle was the Atlantis
Morrisset line, because I'm pretty sure that's in this part
where she goes, it's it ironic and Emily goes, do
you have any idea what she's talking about? And the
therapist kind of goes, yeah, yeah, I do. And so
I thought the therapist was pretty good at the innuendo,
(12:07):
and I thought the.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Banter was good, the dialogue was good. There was a
couple of chuckles here in the first therapy scene because
they kept going they went back three or four times. Yeah,
but I just thought this is a show that moves
it's it's it's it was too static and frozen point
sitting in that it's a show that moves forward, it
(12:28):
moves us forward, and here we are frozen and talking
about the past, and we've already dealt with all of
these issues in the show, and to have it come
to this kind of a you know, a loggerheads sitting
in the therapist's office. I just don't know that that
worked for this show. I think it works on other shows,
(12:50):
and I know it was a trend at the time.
You much, but over analyzing Gilmore Girls is not a
fun experience.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It's interesting you say this, okay, because this is sort
of if I don't want to give a spoiler, but
to me, now that Laura's going to therapy on her own,
it's leading us to something that happens in the in
the next episodes. Well, is the thing I don't like
about the movies the most. I won't talk about it yet,
but there's something coming that I'm like, this is just
so dumb.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, I think there's only thing one thing worse than
introducing uh, this therapy element to it.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Flex Kingston.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
No, she was the best thing in it, Actually.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I did. I find that whole thing to be so I.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Know, but the storyline she's a great actress, and she
was entertaining and she created a really memory of fun character.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Oh but did she I find that whole storyline to
be so grading And well.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I like to watch the acting and she's yeah, yeah,
she's fantastic. I just thought that this therapy thing was
you know, it opened up a portal into this world
(14:07):
where now Laurel is going to sit in therapy and
sort of destroy her relationship with Luke. And it was
just it's true, I don't want to know. Don't tell me.
I don't want to know. I don't want to know.
I cans and no, I'm not going to tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Don't worry, I'm going tell you.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And you know, it's a trojan horse going into this
destruction of the show almost and I thought, this is serious.
This is a serious shift in tone. It's a serious
shift and intention. It's a very serious shift for the
sake of Laurel I eventually exploring her freedom and her independence,
and this is not what she wants. And I thought,
(14:47):
this is it's it's a downer to watch something like this,
to deconstruct all of this. You know, the hopes and
dreams of a fan base is basically what it is.
It's an assault on the fan base.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I think you bring up in an excellent point with that,
and you sort of.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Alluded to why. I don't know why they would do it.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
You look to it earlier in that It's like, did
we really need everything to be in London, Like why
don't we just keep stars Hollow and maybe New York
because it's so close, Like it is weird when we're
not in stars Hollow, which brings me to this next
scene that I do enjoy because it's the Spring Festival,
so we're really getting kind of very Gilmoury. Right, they
(15:29):
got all the foods and some people didn't show.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Up, and I actually thought that that was like an
attempt at Gilmoury. It was fair, it was reasonable. It
was a reasonable facsimile thereof of a Gilmore festival in
the town center to the gazebe I mean, everybody, it's right,
and it just didn't. It wasn't clicking the way it's.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
A little you're You're totally right. It's like we're doing it,
which I was happy about. Okay, this is Gilmore. We're
seeing our friends. We see accent Elaine, we see missus Kim,
we see mister Kiss. Was very exciting. We'll talk about that.
But you're right in the sense that, like I thought
that was.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Odd, that mister Kim thing was odd and weird.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Only because she just wanted to like Amy and Dan
wanted to make dress that because it was such a and.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Then we get we got a really angry Kirk. Have
you ever seen Kirk so angry and unappealing? I mean
it just seemed crazy. It's like, what is a little off?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
That's the thing, and you you're right in that, like
the festival's a little off. It's like my same hashtag
trying too hard now it's sort of hashtag trying.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And then there's like this big hug with Lorelei and Jackson.
When have they ever hugged?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
And also they see each other all the time because.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I see each other at the time. Now there's this
big hug and it's like it was just like, what
what is this? Is this the you guys? This? Uh?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
With Rachel Ray? But I'll get there.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Lead well, Rachel Ray was first of all, don't even
get me started on the sandy because there's nothing I
hate more than when people call sandwich is sammy. But anyway,
we'll get to that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
We'll get there. We'll get there.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
That just makes me like I just can't. I'm like,
please please don't call it that, like it's so bad, Like,
don't so I almost think like they're making fun of
Rachel Ray for calling it a sammy but she doesn't know,
and then oh god, I don't even want.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
It, but we'll get there.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
The problem for me too was there was that weird
and I won't get into it, but there was a
weird viral video of Rachel Ray going around right now.
So when I watched it, all I could think of
was that, and I'm like, oh God, like.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Was was she an actress before she did her talk She's.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Just like a talk show host.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
That's why it's so like she's just her personality.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
It's just hashtag trying too hard in that their throat
because they don't have Suki right. They're trying to overcompensate
with Roychroy and Rachel Ray, which I get was a
good idea, but they're such bad actors, Like Rachel Ray's
an aprociously bad actor in that like a little sammy,
and then she's like talking to her, she doesn't even
say suki right, like it was just anyway, anyway, we're
(18:15):
not there yet.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It makes us miss the character more that they're not there.
I agree, it's like, okay, Sukie, he's not there. Mosta
McCarthy's not there. This is slopping it across my face
that she's not there right.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
And you also you only get into the kitchen by
having to stand in front of a screaming maniac spitting
Michelle ranting for ten minutes for no real hinged. It
was like for me.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Because he has B level celebrities that is in like
who they're doing.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
And then and the actors were actually doing like workouts
in the dining room. I've never seen anything so preposterous
in my life. Like there was a guy on a
balance ball doing working on as abs and it's like
right next to the table. I said, where have you? In?
What world would this happen?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Totally you know?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And then and then there was a guy it was like.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
And there's a guy's cruising with a skateboard. I'm like,
what's happening?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But they went there a couple of times in the
in a film by In another film by Kirk, you
had but Betting Morey cooking the hot dogs on a
grill that.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I actually enjoyed that that part. I gonna agree with
you on the inn and a bunch of things. The
movie theater scene, I totally was like Indo because it's
so funny when He's like, please don't bring food in
from outside. We're going out of order. Because they say
that at every movie while I pull out my Chipotle, Do.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Like literally everyone does that.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, but I think they ruined that movie. I think
they really ruined that movie theater scene by making that
phone ring so damn much, because all I can think
about it is like, shut the phone up, and it's
and it's like Luke's phone, dude. It's like it's like Luke,
who's the preaching the gospel of self, don't know cell phones?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Because it was Emily and it was almost like hot potato,
Like you didn't want to that scene. I'm going to
give that scene.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
No, I don't want to hear a ringing phone that much.
In the scene, I can't.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Right, We're away unhinged, We're totally.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Man throwing all kinds of bombs at this. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
People don't like this one. I think I liked it
more than most. In the festival scene, it was weird
because obviously she sees Jackson and we're trying to overcome
and sate that Sukie's not there, but we want to
get Jackson in. I was happy to see Jackson. Then
we sort of have the wink wink because she buys
the basket. She bids on the basket.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
How about the basket joke? And then we see Cassie
at the end of the scene sitting in a picnic
blanket with LORELEI. Who the heck is Cassie?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
First of all, A we've never seen her before.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I had to suffer through the Cassie's basket joke. Oh dirty,
I know you know, and it's like what it was?
I'm sorry, I'm gonna take a pill.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You guys, I have a confession. Can I tell you what?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You didn't watch?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
No, I watch it. It took me three nights to
watch this.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I kept I stopped taking notes at twenty seven minutes.
I was just like, all I'm going to be doing writing,
I have to stop.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And right, I've never gone to sleep in a Gilmore
Girl's episode. I fell asleep three guys.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I drifted a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I kind of enjoyed it. I kind of enjoyed it. Yeah,
that's good. We need one of us to one of
us liked it enough. I uh Sandy, So Sandy says
also kind of calls during the festival, which I will
point out that actress is from Bunheads, Stay tuned, stay
tuned Bunheads fans. So she's from Bunheads, but she's gone
(21:53):
on to do she was onto what is her name?
Somebody needs to tell me what her name is?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Foster, Oh that's not.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Julia Gouldani tell us, Yes, so she also was from Bunhead.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
So obviously Amy Sherman Palladino likes being with her, and
she went on to be in Somebody Keep Me Honest
The Affair, which she was excellent in that show. Yes,
so she was on that Showtime show, The Affair, and
so she and she was really good. So I like her.
I just don't like the character of Sandy. I also
find it completely insane. Rory and I are in lockstep
(22:30):
on this that she's pursuing Rory and then suddenly like
it's like she wasn't. It was just that was so
weird and dumb. All right, So we leave stars Hollow
from the festival and we head to London where we
see Naomi and Scott. You're liking it, and I'm like this.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well, it's finally listen. It's the difference between TV acting
and stage acting, and you know, there's different levels of acting,
and it seems like, you know, to put somebody like
Alexis versus Alex Kinston, you know, put those two in
a scene together, you're gonna see totally different techniques. And
(23:10):
Alex Kingston is bringing a theater technique and she's bringing
you know, she's created a character from scratch and and
and it's just this sort of amazing comedic performance, completely
connected and and and you know, Alexis doesn't have that
kind of experience on stage, right, she doesn't have that training.
She's very natural, she's very appealing. She's really good with
(23:34):
light comedy, very breezy, very easy. You know, she's she's
got a lot of really really great attributes that you'd
want an actress to have, But put up against somebody
with the resume of an Alex Kingston, your eyes just
go right to Alex Kingston. And I just thought, you know,
I'm I could I could watch this forever. I can
(23:55):
watch a master craftsman crafting for a long time.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
And that.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
No, I I loved her. I loved her that character.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Now I did misspeak because first before her, we have
the lunch scene with so we we open up on
Logan and Rory, which I was happy about. And they're
in this nice restaurant eating and be bop. Hello, here
comes mitchm So this is where we get the Mitcham reveal.
He's in the same restaurant, and Rory's kind of shook
(24:30):
because she realizes, like, hey, does Mitcham know something's going
on with us?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You know, here's another example of a real Bravora talent
coming on screen and lighting up the screen the way
Alex Kingston. Here's comes Greg Henry and it's like boom,
there's this big energy and there's this character and he's
bold and and then these two, you know, it's it
seemed like Alexis and Matt were or I'm sorry, Rory
(24:59):
and Logan were depres They seem like depressed people almost
where they don't have a lot of energy and they're
just sort of like getting through their day. And I mean,
there's nothing there's nothing wrong with that, but but but
it's like compared to the energy of a Greg Henry
and you know, Mitcham huntsburger and an Alex Kingston's name.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
You're not wrong, Greg Henry s right. Mitcham rolls in
and it's like woo, and we're all kind of like
the big reveal and Mitcham and like for core fans,
they're like, aha, another surprise character.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And nobody's and and and you know, and and Rory
and Logan are not being terribly expressive with each other.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And they're not You're right that they don't seem happy,
and we unfortunately get the reveal that he's engaged to
Odette or whatever name was, and that was.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Where you like, what, Yeah, for sure, I'm like, there's
so much bird to this. I can't even handle it
so bad. I'm starting to realize white people don't like
Logan and I hate to say that that's so heartbreaking
for me.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
It's also Rory.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It's like, well, I don't like Rory since season one.
I hate to break it to everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Logan, okay, so let's let's rip off the band aid.
Logan is blatantly cheating on his fiance now maybe they have.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Something, and cheating on her boyfriend, right, but what I
know she shuts herself up for such like why are
you doing this?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Why don't you just say to Logan Paul of the engagement,
let's be together, Like obviously these two love each other.
We know that they're totally drawn to each other. They
are kind of endgame, and why are we even dealing
with this? And it's so weird. Why is he engaged
to someone else and not her when he clearly wants
to be with her? And why is she even with
the guy she didn't even know his name. It's just
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it's super.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Dumb, very dumb, very very dumb. And also it's like
her being so self conscious that Mitcham saw them, Like,
I get it, but then I'm also like, you're making
it a bigger deal than it needs to be. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It's just weird, you're so self conscious about it and worried.
Why are you doing it?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Like, and if do you really care what Mitcham thinks?
We've been through that for ten years, and why are
you doing this? Why are you doing this?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Also, it doesn't work structurally as a film because I
already know what it's supposed to be about, but it
really doesn't stay on that spine right. The storytelling seems
to be all over the place because it establishes this movie.
This episode, this ninety minutes is about a mother daughter
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passing it out in the therapist's office and where this
is going to lead, and it's like uh oh, and
then we now we're all over the place.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
It's so funny you say that it's.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Twenty seven minutes. I stopped taking notes.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I watched this a couple of days ago, like two days.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
My hand's tired.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Well yeah, and I watched this two days ago. And
when I got I got I started to come sit
down here, and I'm like, what happened in spring Like
it's kind of a gooblelygook mess Like.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Well, everything happened, and nothing happened. Therefore nothing happened. So
many things happened that you don't know. You can't remember
one thing that happened.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Therapy, We've got logan, We've got we've.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Lost your appetite, Like, you know, you don't feel that
good and you're kind of sleepy.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
You know, I don't know, Messie, it's super messy. It's messy,
all right.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
So we thought this episode literally, and I kind of
said this earlier, it literally made me miss everything about
Goma Girls. So I don't know if it was intentional,
like the fact that Suki wasn't there, the fact that
Tristan was not real Tristan I was.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
That was bad bananas. I was totally bananas.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Do you here yet? Like you know, I'm like, guys,
where are all the things that I love about Gilmore girls?
It's missing from this episode?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And why have a fake Tristan? Just don't have Tristan
at all? Why have I don't have as much issue
with just a surprise.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
There's like a quick cut to an old Korean guys.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Like they just wanted to say he exists because because
people had wondered is there a mister Kim? So I
think that was their way of going, like, here's an
easter egg, here's mister Kim, but the fake Chad, like
we don't need that, like we didn't.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And also, not only would Tristan come back, but a
whole storyline about Tristan who's not really there, who.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Got kicked out of school, right he's not going to
go back to children, I know her alumni day and
giving money and the whole thing, like that's the last thing.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
That looked like he had a head twice the side
of Chat, twice the size of Chat.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I think his hair was brown like.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
And was it weird that we didn't get who'sy and doozy?
But we did get what's her face? Give me the
names he didn't get, you know, Whosy and Doozy, you know,
the two best friends from Chilton that I.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Love, Madeline and Franz and Louise.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
No, it was we got Francy.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Madeline and Louise. You're right.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, see, I'm not alone with people. The names are
hard guys. So that was weird, but we're not there yet.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
All right.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Now we go back to the town meeting and Taylor
really wants the gay Pride parade, which I did.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And there's no way people in stars Hollow.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
First of all, that's kind of weird, but I did
I have to say this when Gypsy says was there
any one else that could be in the parade? That
I was kind of a musing, like come on. So
that was That was all good. But then we're just
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getting all this sort of like stuff about the parade
and you know so and so, and then we get
the B list celebrities or at the inn and YadA YadA,
and the big names or you know in the neighboring
town Woodbury. It's just kind of like messy. And then
there's the like hint of.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
We have let me, let me, let me just comment
on this. Do you know how hard it is to
just become a C level celebrity or a B level celebrity.
It's like, do you have many A list celebrities there
are in the world.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
We'd all be stoked to have some B listers that.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Are ten maybe ten. You think there's ten.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I think there's a No. I could name one hundred
A listers right now, just if you wanted me.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Hundred people and one business in a global business. There's
one hundred people.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Sanders Winsley, Matthew McConaughey, Jennifer Lope
has been Affleck, Matt Damon. I mean I can name
a hundred, I think, but I can name five hundred B.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I think acting is not an honored profession and I
shouldn't be surprised or offended I.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Get named so many. Oh, there's many movie stars, and
yes there are B listers, but B listers are like great,
but also so is Joe Schmoe if he's paying the
bills at the end, Like why are we caring?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
But I think it's unfortunate language. It sounded disparaging against
actors and I kind of took offense to it, not wanting.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
To because you're an actor.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well you know, listen, you know, our job as actors
is to tell stories that can affect people's lives in
very positive ways. Obviously, the actors that you know, the
B level actors or the C level actors all in
this show, and you know a couple of you know,
melissimated through the A List helped a lot of people
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throughout the world. And to have the writers of the
show that created this make a joke about the levels
of actors and the B list and they're not wanted
and they're just vain, ridiculous people who all they want
to do is look at themselves in the mirror and
workout I thought, you know what that few man. You
know what I do and what actors do. It's a
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great responsibility to represent humanity properly, and we, you know,
we take grain great pride and great pains in doing that.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I'm sure that it's offensive to actors to be called
a B actor or a C actor, D the D list.
I get it, you're not wrong, but it's also so
like inveracular, I.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Don't know, I almost turn it off at that point.
I really did, Danielle, I agree with you. I almost
I almost flipped it off, and I wasn't gonna watch
the rest of it because it was like, you know,
as an audience, this thing has to hold my attention, right,
and the show I'm so used to the show appealing
to the better rangees of my nature and this episode
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didn't appeal to any of them. In fact, it was grating.
And the only you know, buoy that I had while
I was drowning was you know, a couple of characters
that it was like, somebody saved me from this.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
No, I didn't think it was as bad as you guys.
That being said, it was way too much talk of
mini fridges. I was like, I don't use the mini fridge, right,
I don't care if they have many fridges. There's that
one Smeg brand that's kind of cool if if that's
in your hotel room because it's so fancy, and that
for the per I.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Haven't seen Michelle this upset for this long ever, and
it just I just didn't think it was a good look.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
It was you're not wrong, okay now, and Laura LII
and you're on the phone with Liz who's joined a cult.
Now does Liz never show up in this She does not,
does not come back.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
So not in this episode. I don't know about others,
and I don't want to know.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I can't remember, but so we don't have Liz, but
we're talking to Liz and TJ. They've joined a cult,
paul Anka vegetable cult. This is where they go to.
They have dinner, which was kind of cute. I think
they sort of like maybe had takeout. They definitely had
a takeout salad. I think, you guys are watching a movie,
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then it's bedtime, and then she has the dream about
paul Anka when we see the real paul Anka. So
we're kind of having a call back to that from
season six, I think season six.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I mean at this point, I had no idea what
was going going on, to be honest with you, it
was just the whole thing was bizarre.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean, the only thing that I took from this
scene at least was that Laurlai thinks Michelle's leaving and
that was sad.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
And we still yeah, she still doesn't know about Logan
because she calls Rory in London, and I think, yeah,
she's just so stupid.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Well, also Rory would have told Laurai like and also
Lorlai would know she's always she was always one step
ahead of Rory, like she would know, right, she's not
like d D all right.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
So then we're back in therapy and they're kind of
having a bad moment and then they're laughing hysterically about
so we understand, and then they're back mad at each other.
There's some reference to a letter and Laura's like, I
didn't write you a letter, though I do think we
could pay off on that later I'm remembering, but maybe not. Anyway,
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that was kind of dumb. Now we go to London
and this is where Naomi is just like just freaking
out about something boyfriend and.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I love it. I love everything about her.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I couldn't dislike it more So, Rory and Logan are
kind of there while she's on the phone with Naomi
Slash Alex Kingston, and this is where Rory's like, well,
I could stay. And then we find out Odette's coming
and it's kind of actually just.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Sad, just sad.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Oh there's a bummer of a scene. Yeah, and it
was it was a low energy, depressing scene between the
two of them and.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I'm just dealing, right, I'm dealing with this annoying Naomi.
And then it's just like, oh great, So now I'm
depressed because Rory's cheating with Logan, and Logan's cheating with Rory,
and this odette woman's coming and I can't even have
this couple be together that I want to have together.
So now we're at the movie.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I enjoyed this, this scene. I enjoyed the whole thing.
I enjoyed everyone sneaking their food in. I enjoyed. But
Beet and Maury with their grill making, Like what do
they street meat?
Speaker 5 (38:06):
You know?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
How like when you come out of a concert and
they're always selling those hot dogs that smell like heaven
on Earth.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, the tailgate inside.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
No, But like, you know, have you ever come out
of a concert and there's all those hot dog vendors? Yes,
and it's like bacon wrapped hot dog. First of all,
I never will do it because I'm afraid they don't
refrigerate them properly.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
What concerts? What kind of concerts?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Where are you all concerts?
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Whenever I walk out of concerts, all they'd smell was marijuana.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Nope, there's you'll smell. It's called street meat. And there's
hot dog vendors everywhere everywhere. I'm going to that the
football games, Sofa Stadium, Staples Center, everywhere, everywhere in La
everywhere you go. It's like a huge business. They sell
because people are so starving when they come out of
those games, and they pay like they're not cheap. I
think it's like eight.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah the hot dog you're missing out. Those are deh.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
So one time, I will say, I came out of
a concert with Jenna Escoto and I said to Jenna, Ooh,
how much would I have to pay you to eat that?
And she goes, pay me. I would love to eat that.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Honestly.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
They smell like heaven because they're thrilling, and they're like
bacon wrapped. But I just have such fears that the
bacon has not been properly refrigerated. Yeah, Scott, you're right guy,
it's dia rhea. Anyway, So I thought the movie was hilarious.
I thought the scene was hilarious. I thought the phone
ringing was hilarious. That Emily's calling and wants to see
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Luke and the whole thing. I was like, I'm amused.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Thought, Yeah, I thought the movie. Scene was good up
until the phone started ringing, and I just wanted to
see the film by Kirk. I didn't want to be
distracted by it. You know, I thought the film by
Kirk was film by kerk that's another film by Kirk.
Second film by Kirk. I thought it was excellent. I
thought it was a wonderful piece of student filmmaking.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Pig.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I love thee the Death of the Pig. It was just,
you know, it was lighthearted and funny and fun and
that's that's how I want to see Kirk, you know,
dressed up as a raiser head. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I love Lululu's love for Kirk. She just has undying
love for Kirk. She hasn't left him in eight year.
Maybe it's ten, I gotta do the math. Maybe it's twelve.
I don't know. When she came on the scene, she's
totally adorable and she loves Kirk.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
You know, there was a funny bit before they sat down.
She goes, Kirk and I have done unimaginable things on
this couch and Luke says that too late. Where you
know he sat down.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
So good too. So okay, that scene I'm going to
give a thumbs up. Okay, Now we go over to
the Gilmour's, to Emily's and Emily's first like, Lourlai, why
are you here? And then we find out that she's
got something to tell Luke. She brings him into the
study that in the library. Whatever?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
But what what? What is? What treachery is? What treachery
is afoot here? Why can't Luke put on his big
boy pants and go over? I mean, why are they
portraying this guy such a wuss that he's so afraid
of Emily? Okay, this is a grown ass man who's
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the woman he's in love with it and has been
living with and fights him over to have dinner. Why
can't he just go without him? Like?
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Mother in laws?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yourself nervous teenage here and his mommy's got to go
with them.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Do you go to your mother in laws a lot
without your wife?
Speaker 1 (41:40):
If she invited me to dinner, I would go.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah, Danielle, have you ever been to your mother in
laws without John?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I hang out with John's mom a lot without Fine.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Okay, fine, you guys are right then I'm gonna give.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
You It's it's the destruction of a character. Where have
you ever seen. He just acts like an idiot inside
that house. You know.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
That's yeah, I think the point is to make him
look like a fish out of water. But like it's
it's it's hurting his character, like you said, because Luke
in Stars Hollow is the man right, like he is
the guy is a dark story.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
But and why isn't Laurel I respecting his you know,
his boundaries at all. It's like, I'm gonna go have
dinner with your mother. So that's a scene like, hey, no,
she invited me, I'm going. You're not going with me.
I'm not a baby. I don't need my mommy there.
You know, it's like, what is happening with this this character.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
I'm unbothered by it, but I can you guys can
be bothered by it. I'm unbothered by it. It sort
of tracks. It's always with the way it is with Emily,
like I'm not going alone. I'm not going I'll go
with you. Oh fine, you know, and then she ignores
Laura and then she calls him in the study. I
don't know Richard's office. Whatever it is, it is.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
It is emasculating, is what it is.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
I don't mind it, but I get you're don't mind Okay,
I didn't mind the scene.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
I don't mind the bit of it. I think it's
a little bit amusing. She brings them in there. You know,
she's sort of.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
You know, well, since he's now so stupid that he
doesn't know what in vitro is, right, Okay.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I agree with you on that one.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
That was ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
This one is not as ridiculous For me.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
I thought it was pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Fair.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Fair, I'm throwing. I'm throwing, like what a refs get.
They get a bunch of flags. I'm throwing like all
of my.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Flags, rejecting it from the game. You've given the ejection.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I am yes, I might ban them from the league.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
I think it's fair. It's all a little off. We
find out that Richard specifically left me for Luke. Now
it's a little rough because it's specifically to grow the
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diner and franchise it, which was mentioned in the series.
There is a point in the series where Richard talks
about that it's kind of when you go golfing.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Maybe that is all fine, but just to reject it
out of hand as these crazy rich people wanting to
take over my life and force me to do something
I don't want to do. I don't think it was
handled well. I think it's a bigger story point that
needed more carefully crafted scenes, like real consideration, because to
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take I think he needed to take it seriously. I
think he needed to contemplate it. I think he needed
to talk about it with Lorelei, but in a way
where he owns it, and he owns the decision, and
he comes to the decision with the love of his
life and then goes back to Emily and says, I
thank you. I and act like a man, you know,
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act like somebody, and go back and rejects the idea.
Reject the idea, but you know, be polite about it.
I mean, this guy put him in his will that
that deserves respect.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
I totally agree with you. I think it gets weird.
So I don't mind the way this gave it a
short ship. I don't mind the way the scene is
handled where you go back out because.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Now Luke's a minor character, he doesn't matter any more.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
I disagree. I disagree with that.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I'm in the respect to develop.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Disagree with that. Here the part that I think.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Is ridiculous side dish at this point, and he's not respected.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
So I don't agree with that part. But the part
I do agree with what you're saying is when he
goes to.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
It's a fact. It's just a fact. It's not you know.
It's like, how can you watch this thing and not
see that this guy is a side dish At this point,
they're pushing him so far to the side now, and
I know where it's going that he's not going to
exist soon. I know where this is going. I know
where this is going.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
So do I.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
But at this point I don't agree with that. I
think this scene is okay. The reason I say that,
that's fine. We can disagree, but let me just say
the point in case someone listening is like agrees or
disagrees when he comes back and tells Florlai, like, your
father left me money to grow the diner and she says, no,
that's not happening. The reason I like about, what do
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you mean? Why is it up to her because you
don't want it? You've been right? Why why I will
long you don't want it?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
I will everyone?
Speaker 1 (46:35):
What about what about his daughter? He's got a daughter
he wants to provide for too, so it's actually a
gift that of what half a million dollars to start
another diner and to franchise this out. This could be
good for him and La.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
The character has never wanted her, could be.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Good for April. I mean, there's no practical reason to
reject it other.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Than this guy is rejected it years ago.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Dish At this point, I think the problem is everybody,
so they can just.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Do reject it. Guys, everybody, hold on one second, we
do need to acknowledge oh wor spitting fire. But Luke
rejected this idea years ago when Richard brought it up.
He doesn't want I'm being true to the character. He
doesn't want to franchise the diner. He doesn't want to
get in.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
He didn't want to franchise change the thing. The problem here,
in my opinion, is no one is letting Luke speak.
No one is letting Luke decide. Emily Richard are saying
here's the money you need to franchise and saying he
doesn't want this. So no one is letting Luke decide
what he wants to do.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
But do you guys think Luke does want it? Because
I think Luke doesn't want it.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I think if he didn't, he would have said, Emily,
see you next year, you know, like he would would
have he would have told I felt like I feel
like he would have.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Right, he's not enough of a man now because he's
been so marginalized and so castrated that he doesn't even
have the stones even if he wanted it to stand
up the Laura li and say, I think once it
would be I think this, let me let me finish.
I think this would be a good idea. Let's discuss it.
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And maybe that's the thing that drives a wedge between them,
and she goes off, you know, hunting for you know,
her her soul somewhere in Califoina. But I mean it's
like you, It's like, okay, so if you're gonna open
up this can of worms with this guy, at least
give him the respect. And I don't need to repeat myself,
but I do. I poorly handled and and all.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
I can say is it is bizarre when you go
with the realtor. So my thing is until this point,
you're you're being polite. This is her husband who's passed away,
this is what he wanted. So so Luke's sort of
like okay, thank you, let me, you know, talk to
you later, tells Laura. The part it's unhinged and ridiculous
is that Emily storms into the diner in the middle
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of the work day and forces Luke in the car
like a like you know, he's being held with the
you know, with.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
The woozy that he now is, and now he is
going along with it.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
There are places that part, that's what a woo does.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
He just goes along that. He's not a character anymore,
he's not Luke anymore.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
That's where I'm agreeing with you. I don't agree with
it yet, but coming up it's like that was ridiculous.
He would have been like Emily, I'm not going to
go look at these places. And you know, yes, it's
sort of amusing. He's going into these restaurants and being
like sorry, sorry, sorry, and they're in the car and
the whole thing. But like that was crazy. He's gonna
be like Emily, I'm not going not getting in the
car and driving around what anyway whatever. Up until this point,
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I'm like, I wasn't that irritated by it.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
There's all that rich soil, all that fertile soil to
sow the seeds of conflict and it wasn't taken advantage
of at least now Luke not his.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Care We'll say, I do feel like Luke is not
dismissing it fully, but you know, like because even when
he was when they went to that diner, he was like,
this is not the best area of town, and Emily
was like, this is up and coming, YadA yah, you
know whatever. And I feel like Luke is entertaining it
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a little bit, but he doesn't have control over it, right.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
But you know what, Also the problem is is like
Richard's gone, Emily is distraught. It doesn't matter what happened
since Laurel I was sixteen, everybody. It shows that there
has been no or very little character growth from the
main character in this show from the time she was
(50:49):
sixteen to present day. Because now she's in therapy, she's
being rude to her own mother. She's being dismissive and
mean to her own mother. And Emily had to stand
there and say, I am in a tremendous amount of
pain and she's breaking down in front of her own daughter.
Why can't you acknowledge my pain and help me with
my pain? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (51:08):
I think the same to be said vice versa. I
don't think either of them have gone. I think because
Lorala breaks down as my dad is gone, and Emily
is not doing the same for her, they're both not
doing the same for each other.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
I just think the path here forward would have been
better served if it showed growth in all of these
characters and all of these relationships, maturing getting involved in
a business venture and seeing what the complications of that
could read, but not castrating Luke and not presenting Larelai
(51:47):
as an emotionally stunted person as they are portraying her
as well, So we're not even on that subject, like
what is going on Floraala? And there is just this
there's this stagnation with these characters. They're they're they're being deconstructed,
They're they're sort of you know, they're sort of losing
(52:10):
their magic and their power, and it's hard to watch.
And I think that's the thing that you know, put
you to sleep and put me to sleep, as we
almost and it's and it's kind of unnerving. These characters
mean a lot to this fan base and they you know,
these characters mean a lot to me too, and I
don't like seeing them treated this way, and I don't
(52:30):
like seeing them acting this way or saying these things
or behaving in these ways, because it doesn't ring true
to me at all. So deal with the diner. Do
the diner, have the complications, have the growth, embrace your mother,
get over it. Don't need to be in therapy. But
here we are, right, it's like, help your mom.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Okay, what's so?
Speaker 1 (52:53):
What?
Speaker 3 (52:53):
What?
Speaker 1 (52:53):
What's the message of this show? A community comes together,
it's family. At what point do we we can lay
down our swords with these two? Right? These two can
lay down their swords and new conflict can emerge out
of the coming together of these of mother and daughter. Right.
(53:13):
I don't I don't understand why they're doing this to
these characters. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
I feel like it tracks for the characters the whole.
We've had seven years of Emily and Lorla not seeing
eye to eye and not getting along, and so they
are continuing that. So I actually find Yes, I don't
love it all the time, but to me, it is
true to the characters. Emily's not going to suddenly out
of left field be like I'm going to be the
(53:38):
better person and care about my daughter and Laura.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
No, it's on Laura to take care of her mom.
She's getting older, she's alone, she's in this massive house, right.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
I mean, I just a certain how much.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
I can't even answer that question because it's like in theory, sure,
but Laura has never been taken care of by her mom.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
I don't correct. It's this is a woman who's really
treated Lorlai somewhat badly. That's what I always say about Emily.
She's hot cold, She's not one or the other, She's both.
So Lorlai is doing her part. Lorlai was right there
by her side for the when everything happened with Richard.
She's in therapy with her. She's doing her part. But
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Emily is prickly, and Emily doesn't have any respect for
Lorli her decisions or Luke, which really doesn't have.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Just suddenly there have been a few moments of clarity
for Loralai appreciating her mother, haven't there There's.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Been a few moments where where Emily really accepts Loralai
for who she is, but very few.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
I guess. I guess that's really like the focus sort
of gets out of focus very easily with these two.
It's hard for them to come together. But I just
think at this point, I don't know what I'm watching
right now. I don't know what I'm watching, and I
(55:10):
don't know.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Why you're not wrong with that what you'll say, there's
glimmers of Gilmore girl in it, Gilmore girls in it,
but there's a lot that is like this is kind
of messier hinged, right, So it's like some of it
does track though, Lorle and Emily not getting along.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
You know what, it's the same old song and dance.
I think we're ready for something different than that. That's fair,
that mighty, and how many times are you going to
go to that well? It's the same? I mean, really,
we're still there after all of these years. It's like
another level.
Speaker 3 (55:46):
Speaking of going to the well, we're at Chiltern now
and we're going to the well of Paris being unhinged.
Speaker 5 (55:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (55:52):
It's like we know it. They love to write it,
so that's what we're dealing with. So they come in
that we've got the one hundred thousand. We find out
Paris gave one hundred thousand dollars, YadA, YadA. I can't
remember she gives her talk first, or if she gives
it after but they're in the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
Did you let any of this? Uh, Paris rant.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
No, I did not love it.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
I didn't either, and it was one Nancy.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Showing up was amusing. I laughed when Francie was dropping bombs.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
I thought it was wonderfully acted. But you know, I
didn't think it was terribly funny.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
Hacky does make a good point, she said. She laughed
when Paris held the door close with her foot, which
I giggled a little bit too. That was funny, and
I thought it was a good reveal, you know, if
Francis showing up and sort of being a little bit
mean to Paris still and you see a bit of
Rory and Pars's friendship, like I'm not going to tell
anybody about the empty briefcase and yeah, you know, and look,
(56:47):
Paris is going through a divorce, so it tracks that
she's going to be a bit unhinged, you know, Like
I wouldn't want Paris to just be perfect, because that's
not Paris. Yeah, so I look, I like seeing Headmaster Charlton.
Am I saying his name right, Charles Charlton.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
I like being back at Chilton, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
I love getting that that shot of the building with
them outside in the driveway. That was awesome. There's a
lot of nostalgic things that work about.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
This, and it's heads Charleston. I think he said that, Charleston.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
Yeah, the core storyline lacks.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Hey, Scott Patterson, we have so much more to talk
about with Spring, so stay tuned. Hey, everybody forget Follow
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email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.
I am all in. Let's just you.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I am all in with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I I'm all in podcast. iHeartRadio,
iHeart media, iHeart podcast. We are going to break down
the Netflix episode Gilmour episode Spring. I am enjoying a yeah,
but they call them episodes, you know. And I'm joined
by Amy Sigriman, and we are a skeleton crew today.
(00:44):
But we've got the beating heart of the podcast right here,
left ventricle, right ventricle with the heart of it.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
So we're gonna be here any second, so nobody.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
People will show up on the fly anyway, Amy and
I are going to take you through.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm not supposed to be eating, but yet I'm shoving
something in my mouth. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm going to have a little drink. I mean, it's water.
It's water.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I was going to say he made it sound like
it was a cocktail. It just but it's a beautiful
glass in a nice beautiful gloves.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And guess what's in here? Liquid IV is in here.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I was gonna say it has a small queue to
that water that made it not look it looked a.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Little funky drinking and drinking gin liquid.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
IV just to keep you healthier. Are you not feeling good?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
What do you mean? I drink it every day?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
What does it do for you?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
The liquid IV?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah? What does it do?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It's like it hydrates you. It's an extra hydration after
it works.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's water in your water.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
No, no, no, it's powder in your water.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It's fully more wetness in your water.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It expands the water molecule inside your cells or something. Doctor.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So it's spring.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Okay. So I'm just gonna say this, Okay. I think
Luke issued the ultimate warning about, you know, about the show.
Unintentionally he said, stop growing. You don't need to grow,
okay in this episode when they were talking about diner
(02:26):
in the franchise and holding yeah yeah really, I think
that is a metaphor for, uh, the ambitions this, these
very lofty ambitions of this particular film spring because it's
Gilmore Girls is a small town show, and it seems
to resist this sort of expansion on a global nature.
(02:49):
Rory's in London and then she's over here in a
big fancy meeting, and then she's over here and she's
flying her all around and you know, and then we're
at chilten in Paris is donating one hundred. I The
question that popped into my head is how many people
discovered this show via the Netflix episodes or films and
(03:11):
then went and watched the series and how they felt,
Because if I had just discovered Gilmore Girls via Netflix episodes,
I would have thought, Wow, these are pretty good and
this is interesting.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
If anybody watched the films that did not watch the show,
as the producer says she did, wait, Jackie, Jackie, get
in here.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I think there's a percentage of people that discovered it
via twenty sixteen episodes.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
You watched the movies, I sure did, so I will
answer Scott's question.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So tell to take us through it. So you discovered
on Netflix and you watched them. What was your reaction
when you saw them.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I enjoyed the movies because the way that they format
it in like getting to know these characters and all
of that, like taking you back to like I didn't get.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
All the nuances, but like I was well informed.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Of these characters watching it, you know, like I got
that Luke in that scene.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I got that Luke was like I don't want anything
to change.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Okay, He's kind of like wants to be stuck, not
stuck in his ways, but like he you know, likes
things to be the same in a small town.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
So I enjoyed all of these all.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Right, Now, when did you go back and watch the
series after that?
Speaker 5 (04:25):
I did?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And what did you think of the series? Did you what?
Did the series blow you away? Or did you think, oh,
it's not as good as the episodes?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
So the series I enjoyed. So it was all I'm
all out of sorts. So I have watched seasons three
through seven, but I when I came on to far Okay,
this is so bizarre. When I came on to help produce,
I started season three with you.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Guys, and then I already seen the movies and I've
already seen it. I know, I'm all out of sorts.
And then when I went on atterneyle we we stopped.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I think we were at like season five, and then
I kept going and then I rewatched the movies again
and then I got all the nuances and it was
better a second time around.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Wow, I know'd you. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I apologized because that never occurred to me, and we
have proof right here.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, you are right.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I guess that happened.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I was a little jarred with like how quick the
dialogue was because I wasn't used to that because I
never watched the theories.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
But then I still enjoyed it because I'm from a
small town, so I related to it. So I still
enjoyed the small town is and the feel of it.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And everybody, when Logan shows up, would you be like,
who's that guy?
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Exactly? I didn't know, like when.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Jess, I don't want to have any spoilers, but like
when of these people come back, you're probably like, who's that?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I like Milo because I was watching this as all right.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So we so we experienced as a cast this incredible
expansion of the fan base on a global basis that
we didn't notice until we were doing pr for these
Netflix episodes in twenty and sixteen, after we you know,
(06:13):
when they were ramping up the pr and then in
the ensuing years twenty seventeen, eighteen on to the present,
the audiences are getting younger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they
are more legions of fans, the more dedicated, they're as dedicated.
So I would love to see some numbers on how
(06:35):
many fans there were globally before the Netflix episodes happened,
or before anything even hit Netflix, because I know the series.
You know, Netflix made a deal to have the series
downloadable for the past what eight years or so, so
I think that has really spiked the numbers globally. And
(06:55):
then this it was just an explosion of fandom. Way
It's like the fandoms just grew and grew and grow
and grew since two thousands.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It's really interesting to have a show that has grown
right so much, right twenty years after it premiered. It's
like Friends, there's five right, there's a handful of these Friends,
a few of them that just keep finding an audience,
keep finding an audience. But this is you know, it's
(07:25):
pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
If we did if Warner Brothers announced that we were
doing a reboot of the series and were they ordered
twenty two episodes and the old gang was getting back
together and we were going to shoot at Warner Brothers
and you know, do it again, I bet you that
audience would be massive, massive domestic art. I bet you
the United States audience would exceed you know, fifteen million.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Actually totally agree with you.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
In a completely fractured market. I mean, it would be
the hit of hits because it's.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
How I feel about Sex and the City. And I
know people have like their opinions about the reboot, but like,
I'm so happy to have it because it's so this
is so makes me sound crazy, but it gives me
comfort to know that these people I love are around.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Right, and they're still around exactly. You know what. Maybe
they're not all in the right situations all the time,
and they're not saying the right things are acting like themselves,
but they look like them. But it's enough. At least
they're there.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's more than enough. Like it's really great.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think the fans feel and felt the love at
the time, even if they were like, ugh, I don't
like this, this is what I think they still there's
a part of them that, man, I'm so glad that
they did this for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And watching the movies again, they are so much better now. Interestingly,
I don't think Spring is as good as Winter, but
a lot of people disagree with me that Winter's the
worst one. But I still totally enjoyed it. Like I
had a great time watching it. It was not work
or homework. It was just like, oh, I'm so lucky
to get to watch this again, and I do have
(09:02):
to say I'm really glad that Matt zukries in this episode. Also,
it's like Logan is important to this in my opinion.
I don't know. Should we go through it? Danielle. I
know you're not gonna like to hear this, but you're
in charge today of taking us through it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
No, on the eleventh of never, Absolutely, Danielle.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yes, we're coming.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
We'll take you through the synopsis any day of the week.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, Okay, Danielle, you go.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
If you gave me a heads up, I will do
I can do the next one.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Okay, fine, So what I'm doing it?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, you're doing that.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I mean me and my bottle size for you. Okay. Well,
I gotta get my notes up, but all.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Right, I'll synopsize while you get your notes up. All right, guys.
So this is a year in the Live Episode two
spring air date November twenty fifth, twenty sixteen. Synopsis. Rory's
secret London affair continue news and her career doesn't seem
to be going anywhere. Luke gets a surprise offer from
Richard's will, while Lorelei and Emily continue their therapy. Michelle
(10:09):
is having a work crisis and Paris has a meltdown
in the Chilton bathroom.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So okay, so let's call out the flag right away, right, uh, Tristan.
Tristan like, why do we need to have? Like that
was just dumb, Like why do I need to It
was not Chad?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Obviously, No, it wasn't Chad.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It was just so dumb.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And I remember that bathroom scene with Paris being I
don't know, it was just rant. It really proves that
these you know, it seems like Rory was in a
lot of this episode with all of these supporting characters
(10:56):
and well especially Paris, but.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
It didn't have quite an enough. I did enjoy the.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Therapy, we can I did not. I did not great.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, we'll talk, I love I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Let's let's get chronological. I mean, we'd started out with therapy,
and I thought it was boring because it's like, I
don't want to watch these women analyze why they don't
like each other. I just I just want to see
them going nuts on each other.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, and I don't like about the therapy is the therapist.
The therapist wants absolutely nothing to do with helping us.
She was out and I'm like I wish the therapists would.
I would I would like it more if she had,
if she was trying to force them to talk, you know,
(11:43):
like instead of being like, oh, look is up.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
So in this particular scene, this is the first one
where they're just saying nothing basically, and then they kind
of the thing that made me giggle was the Atlantis
Morrisset line, because I'm pretty sure that's in this part
where she goes, it's it ironic and Emily goes, do
you have any idea what she's talking about? And the
therapist kind of goes, yeah, yeah, I do. And so
I thought the therapist was pretty good at the innuendo,
(12:07):
and I thought the.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Banter was good, the dialogue was good. There was a
couple of chuckles here in the first therapy scene because
they kept going they went back three or four times. Yeah,
but I just thought this is a show that moves
it's it's it's it was too static and frozen point
sitting in that it's a show that moves forward, it
(12:28):
moves us forward, and here we are frozen and talking
about the past, and we've already dealt with all of
these issues in the show, and to have it come
to this kind of a you know, a loggerheads sitting
in the therapist's office. I just don't know that that
worked for this show. I think it works on other shows,
(12:50):
and I know it was a trend at the time.
You much, but over analyzing Gilmore Girls is not a
fun experience.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It's interesting you say this, okay, because this is sort
of if I don't want to give a spoiler, but
to me, now that Laura's going to therapy on her own,
it's leading us to something that happens in the in
the next episodes. Well, is the thing I don't like
about the movies the most. I won't talk about it yet,
but there's something coming that I'm like, this is just
so dumb.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, I think there's only thing one thing worse than
introducing uh, this therapy element to it.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Flex Kingston.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
No, she was the best thing in it, Actually.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I did. I find that whole thing to be so I.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Know, but the storyline she's a great actress, and she
was entertaining and she created a really memory of fun character.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Oh but did she I find that whole storyline to
be so grading And well.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I like to watch the acting and she's yeah, yeah,
she's fantastic. I just thought that this therapy thing was
you know, it opened up a portal into this world
(14:07):
where now Laurel is going to sit in therapy and
sort of destroy her relationship with Luke. And it was
just it's true, I don't want to know. Don't tell me.
I don't want to know. I don't want to know.
I cans and no, I'm not going to tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Don't worry, I'm going tell you.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And you know, it's a trojan horse going into this
destruction of the show almost and I thought, this is serious.
This is a serious shift in tone. It's a serious
shift and intention. It's a very serious shift for the
sake of Laurel I eventually exploring her freedom and her independence,
and this is not what she wants. And I thought,
(14:47):
this is it's it's a downer to watch something like this,
to deconstruct all of this. You know, the hopes and
dreams of a fan base is basically what it is.
It's an assault on the fan base.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I think you bring up in an excellent point with that,
and you sort of.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Alluded to why. I don't know why they would do it.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
You look to it earlier in that It's like, did
we really need everything to be in London, Like why
don't we just keep stars Hollow and maybe New York
because it's so close, Like it is weird when we're
not in stars Hollow, which brings me to this next
scene that I do enjoy because it's the Spring Festival,
so we're really getting kind of very Gilmoury. Right, they
(15:29):
got all the foods and some people didn't show.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Up, and I actually thought that that was like an
attempt at Gilmoury. It was fair, it was reasonable. It
was a reasonable facsimile thereof of a Gilmore festival in
the town center to the gazebe I mean, everybody, it's right,
and it just didn't. It wasn't clicking the way it's.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
A little you're You're totally right. It's like we're doing it,
which I was happy about. Okay, this is Gilmore. We're
seeing our friends. We see accent Elaine, we see missus Kim,
we see mister Kiss. Was very exciting. We'll talk about that.
But you're right in the sense that, like I thought
that was.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Odd, that mister Kim thing was odd and weird.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Only because she just wanted to like Amy and Dan
wanted to make dress that because it was such a and.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Then we get we got a really angry Kirk. Have
you ever seen Kirk so angry and unappealing? I mean
it just seemed crazy. It's like, what is a little off?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
That's the thing, and you you're right in that, like
the festival's a little off. It's like my same hashtag
trying too hard now it's sort of hashtag trying.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And then there's like this big hug with Lorelei and Jackson.
When have they ever hugged?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
And also they see each other all the time because.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I see each other at the time. Now there's this
big hug and it's like it was just like, what
what is this? Is this the you guys? This? Uh?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
With Rachel Ray? But I'll get there.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Lead well, Rachel Ray was first of all, don't even
get me started on the sandy because there's nothing I
hate more than when people call sandwich is sammy. But anyway,
we'll get to that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
We'll get there. We'll get there.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
That just makes me like I just can't. I'm like,
please please don't call it that, like it's so bad, Like,
don't so I almost think like they're making fun of
Rachel Ray for calling it a sammy but she doesn't know,
and then oh god, I don't even want.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
It, but we'll get there.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
The problem for me too was there was that weird
and I won't get into it, but there was a
weird viral video of Rachel Ray going around right now.
So when I watched it, all I could think of
was that, and I'm like, oh God, like.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Was was she an actress before she did her talk She's.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Just like a talk show host.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
That's why it's so like she's just her personality.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
It's just hashtag trying too hard in that their throat
because they don't have Suki right. They're trying to overcompensate
with Roychroy and Rachel Ray, which I get was a
good idea, but they're such bad actors, Like Rachel Ray's
an aprociously bad actor in that like a little sammy,
and then she's like talking to her, she doesn't even
say suki right, like it was just anyway, anyway, we're
(18:15):
not there yet.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It makes us miss the character more that they're not there.
I agree, it's like, okay, Sukie, he's not there. Mosta
McCarthy's not there. This is slopping it across my face
that she's not there right.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
And you also you only get into the kitchen by
having to stand in front of a screaming maniac spitting
Michelle ranting for ten minutes for no real hinged. It
was like for me.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Because he has B level celebrities that is in like
who they're doing.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
And then and the actors were actually doing like workouts
in the dining room. I've never seen anything so preposterous
in my life. Like there was a guy on a
balance ball doing working on as abs and it's like
right next to the table. I said, where have you? In?
What world would this happen?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Totally you know?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And then and then there was a guy it was like.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
And there's a guy's cruising with a skateboard. I'm like,
what's happening?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But they went there a couple of times in the
in a film by In another film by Kirk, you
had but Betting Morey cooking the hot dogs on a
grill that.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I actually enjoyed that that part. I gonna agree with
you on the inn and a bunch of things. The
movie theater scene, I totally was like Indo because it's
so funny when He's like, please don't bring food in
from outside. We're going out of order. Because they say
that at every movie while I pull out my Chipotle, Do.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Like literally everyone does that.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, but I think they ruined that movie. I think
they really ruined that movie theater scene by making that
phone ring so damn much, because all I can think
about it is like, shut the phone up, and it's
and it's like Luke's phone, dude. It's like it's like Luke,
who's the preaching the gospel of self, don't know cell phones?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Because it was Emily and it was almost like hot potato,
Like you didn't want to that scene. I'm going to
give that scene.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
No, I don't want to hear a ringing phone that much.
In the scene, I can't.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Right, We're away unhinged, We're totally.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Man throwing all kinds of bombs at this. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
People don't like this one. I think I liked it
more than most. In the festival scene, it was weird
because obviously she sees Jackson and we're trying to overcome
and sate that Sukie's not there, but we want to
get Jackson in. I was happy to see Jackson. Then
we sort of have the wink wink because she buys
the basket. She bids on the basket.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
How about the basket joke? And then we see Cassie
at the end of the scene sitting in a picnic
blanket with LORELEI. Who the heck is Cassie?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
First of all, A we've never seen her before.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I had to suffer through the Cassie's basket joke. Oh dirty,
I know you know, and it's like what it was?
I'm sorry, I'm gonna take a pill.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You guys, I have a confession. Can I tell you what?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You didn't watch?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
No, I watch it. It took me three nights to
watch this.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I kept I stopped taking notes at twenty seven minutes.
I was just like, all I'm going to be doing writing,
I have to stop.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And right, I've never gone to sleep in a Gilmore
Girl's episode. I fell asleep three guys.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I drifted a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I kind of enjoyed it. I kind of enjoyed it. Yeah,
that's good. We need one of us to one of
us liked it enough. I uh Sandy, So Sandy says
also kind of calls during the festival, which I will
point out that actress is from Bunheads, Stay tuned, stay
tuned Bunheads fans. So she's from Bunheads, but she's gone
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on to do she was onto what is her name?
Somebody needs to tell me what her name is?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Foster, Oh that's not.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Julia Gouldani tell us, Yes, so she also was from Bunhead.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
So obviously Amy Sherman Palladino likes being with her, and
she went on to be in Somebody Keep Me Honest
The Affair, which she was excellent in that show. Yes,
so she was on that Showtime show, The Affair, and
so she and she was really good. So I like her.
I just don't like the character of Sandy. I also
find it completely insane. Rory and I are in lockstep
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on this that she's pursuing Rory and then suddenly like
it's like she wasn't. It was just that was so
weird and dumb. All right, So we leave stars Hollow
from the festival and we head to London where we
see Naomi and Scott. You're liking it, and I'm like this.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well, it's finally listen. It's the difference between TV acting
and stage acting, and you know, there's different levels of acting,
and it seems like, you know, to put somebody like
Alexis versus Alex Kinston, you know, put those two in
a scene together, you're gonna see totally different techniques. And
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Alex Kingston is bringing a theater technique and she's bringing
you know, she's created a character from scratch and and
and it's just this sort of amazing comedic performance, completely
connected and and and you know, Alexis doesn't have that
kind of experience on stage, right, she doesn't have that training.
She's very natural, she's very appealing. She's really good with
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light comedy, very breezy, very easy. You know, she's she's
got a lot of really really great attributes that you'd
want an actress to have, But put up against somebody
with the resume of an Alex Kingston, your eyes just
go right to Alex Kingston. And I just thought, you know,
I'm I could I could watch this forever. I can
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watch a master craftsman crafting for a long time.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
And that.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
No, I I loved her. I loved her that character.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Now I did misspeak because first before her, we have
the lunch scene with so we we open up on
Logan and Rory, which I was happy about. And they're
in this nice restaurant eating and be bop. Hello, here
comes mitchm So this is where we get the Mitcham reveal.
He's in the same restaurant, and Rory's kind of shook
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because she realizes, like, hey, does Mitcham know something's going
on with us?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You know, here's another example of a real Bravora talent
coming on screen and lighting up the screen the way
Alex Kingston. Here's comes Greg Henry and it's like boom,
there's this big energy and there's this character and he's
bold and and then these two, you know, it's it
seemed like Alexis and Matt were or I'm sorry, Rory
(24:59):
and Logan were depres They seem like depressed people almost
where they don't have a lot of energy and they're
just sort of like getting through their day. And I mean,
there's nothing there's nothing wrong with that, but but but
it's like compared to the energy of a Greg Henry
and you know, Mitcham huntsburger and an Alex Kingston's name.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
You're not wrong, Greg Henry s right. Mitcham rolls in
and it's like woo, and we're all kind of like
the big reveal and Mitcham and like for core fans,
they're like, aha, another surprise character.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And nobody's and and and you know, and and Rory
and Logan are not being terribly expressive with each other.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And they're not You're right that they don't seem happy,
and we unfortunately get the reveal that he's engaged to
Odette or whatever name was, and that was.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Where you like, what, Yeah, for sure, I'm like, there's
so much bird to this. I can't even handle it
so bad. I'm starting to realize white people don't like
Logan and I hate to say that that's so heartbreaking
for me.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
It's also Rory.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It's like, well, I don't like Rory since season one.
I hate to break it to everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Logan, okay, so let's let's rip off the band aid.
Logan is blatantly cheating on his fiance now maybe they have.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Something, and cheating on her boyfriend, right, but what I
know she shuts herself up for such like why are
you doing this?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Why don't you just say to Logan Paul of the engagement,
let's be together, Like obviously these two love each other.
We know that they're totally drawn to each other. They
are kind of endgame, and why are we even dealing
with this? And it's so weird. Why is he engaged
to someone else and not her when he clearly wants
to be with her? And why is she even with
the guy she didn't even know his name. It's just
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it's super.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Dumb, very dumb, very very dumb. And also it's like
her being so self conscious that Mitcham saw them, Like,
I get it, but then I'm also like, you're making
it a bigger deal than it needs to be. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It's just weird, you're so self conscious about it and worried.
Why are you doing it?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Like, and if do you really care what Mitcham thinks?
We've been through that for ten years, and why are
you doing this? Why are you doing this?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Also, it doesn't work structurally as a film because I
already know what it's supposed to be about, but it
really doesn't stay on that spine right. The storytelling seems
to be all over the place because it establishes this movie.
This episode, this ninety minutes is about a mother daughter
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passing it out in the therapist's office and where this
is going to lead, and it's like uh oh, and
then we now we're all over the place.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
It's so funny you say that it's.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Twenty seven minutes. I stopped taking notes.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I watched this a couple of days ago, like two days.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
My hand's tired.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Well yeah, and I watched this two days ago. And
when I got I got I started to come sit
down here, and I'm like, what happened in spring Like
it's kind of a gooblelygook mess Like.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Well, everything happened, and nothing happened. Therefore nothing happened. So
many things happened that you don't know. You can't remember
one thing that happened.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Therapy, We've got logan, We've got we've.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Lost your appetite, Like, you know, you don't feel that
good and you're kind of sleepy.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
You know, I don't know, Messie, it's super messy. It's messy,
all right.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
So we thought this episode literally, and I kind of
said this earlier, it literally made me miss everything about
Goma Girls. So I don't know if it was intentional,
like the fact that Suki wasn't there, the fact that
Tristan was not real Tristan I was.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
That was bad bananas. I was totally bananas.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Do you here yet? Like you know, I'm like, guys,
where are all the things that I love about Gilmore girls?
It's missing from this episode?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And why have a fake Tristan? Just don't have Tristan
at all? Why have I don't have as much issue
with just a surprise.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
There's like a quick cut to an old Korean guys.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Like they just wanted to say he exists because because
people had wondered is there a mister Kim? So I
think that was their way of going, like, here's an
easter egg, here's mister Kim, but the fake Chad, like
we don't need that, like we didn't.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And also, not only would Tristan come back, but a
whole storyline about Tristan who's not really there, who.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Got kicked out of school, right he's not going to
go back to children, I know her alumni day and
giving money and the whole thing, like that's the last thing.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
That looked like he had a head twice the side
of Chat, twice the size of Chat.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I think his hair was brown like.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
And was it weird that we didn't get who'sy and doozy?
But we did get what's her face? Give me the
names he didn't get, you know, Whosy and Doozy, you know,
the two best friends from Chilton that I.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Love, Madeline and Franz and Louise.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
No, it was we got Francy.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Madeline and Louise. You're right.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, see, I'm not alone with people. The names are
hard guys. So that was weird, but we're not there yet.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
All right.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Now we go back to the town meeting and Taylor
really wants the gay Pride parade, which I did.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And there's no way people in stars Hollow.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
First of all, that's kind of weird, but I did
I have to say this when Gypsy says was there
any one else that could be in the parade? That
I was kind of a musing, like come on. So
that was That was all good. But then we're just
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getting all this sort of like stuff about the parade
and you know so and so, and then we get
the B list celebrities or at the inn and YadA YadA,
and the big names or you know in the neighboring
town Woodbury. It's just kind of like messy. And then
there's the like hint of.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
We have let me, let me, let me just comment
on this. Do you know how hard it is to
just become a C level celebrity or a B level celebrity.
It's like, do you have many A list celebrities there
are in the world.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
We'd all be stoked to have some B listers that.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Are ten maybe ten. You think there's ten.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I think there's a No. I could name one hundred
A listers right now, just if you wanted me.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Hundred people and one business in a global business. There's
one hundred people.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Sanders Winsley, Matthew McConaughey, Jennifer Lope
has been Affleck, Matt Damon. I mean I can name
a hundred, I think, but I can name five hundred B.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I think acting is not an honored profession and I
shouldn't be surprised or offended I.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Get named so many. Oh, there's many movie stars, and
yes there are B listers, but B listers are like great,
but also so is Joe Schmoe if he's paying the
bills at the end, Like why are we caring?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
But I think it's unfortunate language. It sounded disparaging against
actors and I kind of took offense to it, not wanting.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
To because you're an actor.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well you know, listen, you know, our job as actors
is to tell stories that can affect people's lives in
very positive ways. Obviously, the actors that you know, the
B level actors or the C level actors all in
this show, and you know a couple of you know,
melissimated through the A List helped a lot of people
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throughout the world. And to have the writers of the
show that created this make a joke about the levels
of actors and the B list and they're not wanted
and they're just vain, ridiculous people who all they want
to do is look at themselves in the mirror and
workout I thought, you know what that few man. You
know what I do and what actors do. It's a
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great responsibility to represent humanity properly, and we, you know,
we take grain great pride and great pains in doing that.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I'm sure that it's offensive to actors to be called
a B actor or a C actor, D the D list.
I get it, you're not wrong, but it's also so
like inveracular, I.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Don't know, I almost turn it off at that point.
I really did, Danielle, I agree with you. I almost
I almost flipped it off, and I wasn't gonna watch
the rest of it because it was like, you know,
as an audience, this thing has to hold my attention, right,
and the show I'm so used to the show appealing
to the better rangees of my nature and this episode
(34:21):
didn't appeal to any of them. In fact, it was grating.
And the only you know, buoy that I had while
I was drowning was you know, a couple of characters
that it was like, somebody saved me from this.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
No, I didn't think it was as bad as you guys.
That being said, it was way too much talk of
mini fridges. I was like, I don't use the mini fridge, right,
I don't care if they have many fridges. There's that
one Smeg brand that's kind of cool if if that's
in your hotel room because it's so fancy, and that
for the per I.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Haven't seen Michelle this upset for this long ever, and
it just I just didn't think it was a good look.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
It was you're not wrong, okay now, and Laura LII
and you're on the phone with Liz who's joined a cult.
Now does Liz never show up in this She does not,
does not come back.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
So not in this episode. I don't know about others,
and I don't want to know.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I can't remember, but so we don't have Liz, but
we're talking to Liz and TJ. They've joined a cult,
paul Anka vegetable cult. This is where they go to.
They have dinner, which was kind of cute. I think
they sort of like maybe had takeout. They definitely had
a takeout salad. I think, you guys are watching a movie,
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then it's bedtime, and then she has the dream about
paul Anka when we see the real paul Anka. So
we're kind of having a call back to that from
season six, I think season six.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I mean at this point, I had no idea what
was going going on, to be honest with you, it
was just the whole thing was bizarre.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean, the only thing that I took from this
scene at least was that Laurlai thinks Michelle's leaving and
that was sad.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
And we still yeah, she still doesn't know about Logan
because she calls Rory in London, and I think, yeah,
she's just so stupid.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Well, also Rory would have told Laurai like and also
Lorlai would know she's always she was always one step
ahead of Rory, like she would know, right, she's not
like d D all right.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
So then we're back in therapy and they're kind of
having a bad moment and then they're laughing hysterically about
so we understand, and then they're back mad at each other.
There's some reference to a letter and Laura's like, I
didn't write you a letter, though I do think we
could pay off on that later I'm remembering, but maybe not. Anyway,
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that was kind of dumb. Now we go to London
and this is where Naomi is just like just freaking
out about something boyfriend and.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I love it. I love everything about her.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I couldn't dislike it more So, Rory and Logan are
kind of there while she's on the phone with Naomi
Slash Alex Kingston, and this is where Rory's like, well,
I could stay. And then we find out Odette's coming
and it's kind of actually just.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Sad, just sad.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Oh there's a bummer of a scene. Yeah, and it
was it was a low energy, depressing scene between the
two of them and.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I'm just dealing, right, I'm dealing with this annoying Naomi.
And then it's just like, oh great, So now I'm
depressed because Rory's cheating with Logan, and Logan's cheating with Rory,
and this odette woman's coming and I can't even have
this couple be together that I want to have together.
So now we're at the movie.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I enjoyed this, this scene. I enjoyed the whole thing.
I enjoyed everyone sneaking their food in. I enjoyed. But
Beet and Maury with their grill making, Like what do
they street meat?
Speaker 5 (38:06):
You know?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
How like when you come out of a concert and
they're always selling those hot dogs that smell like heaven
on Earth.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, the tailgate inside.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
No, But like, you know, have you ever come out
of a concert and there's all those hot dog vendors? Yes,
and it's like bacon wrapped hot dog. First of all,
I never will do it because I'm afraid they don't
refrigerate them properly.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
What concerts? What kind of concerts?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Where are you all concerts?
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Whenever I walk out of concerts, all they'd smell was marijuana.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Nope, there's you'll smell. It's called street meat. And there's
hot dog vendors everywhere everywhere. I'm going to that the
football games, Sofa Stadium, Staples Center, everywhere, everywhere in La
everywhere you go. It's like a huge business. They sell
because people are so starving when they come out of
those games, and they pay like they're not cheap. I
think it's like eight.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah the hot dog you're missing out. Those are deh.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
So one time, I will say, I came out of
a concert with Jenna Escoto and I said to Jenna, Ooh,
how much would I have to pay you to eat that?
And she goes, pay me. I would love to eat that.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Honestly.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
They smell like heaven because they're thrilling, and they're like
bacon wrapped. But I just have such fears that the
bacon has not been properly refrigerated. Yeah, Scott, you're right guy,
it's dia rhea. Anyway, So I thought the movie was hilarious.
I thought the scene was hilarious. I thought the phone
ringing was hilarious. That Emily's calling and wants to see
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Luke and the whole thing. I was like, I'm amused.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Thought, Yeah, I thought the movie. Scene was good up
until the phone started ringing, and I just wanted to
see the film by Kirk. I didn't want to be
distracted by it. You know, I thought the film by
Kirk was film by kerk that's another film by Kirk.
Second film by Kirk. I thought it was excellent. I
thought it was a wonderful piece of student filmmaking.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Pig.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I love thee the Death of the Pig. It was just,
you know, it was lighthearted and funny and fun and
that's that's how I want to see Kirk, you know,
dressed up as a raiser head. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I love Lululu's love for Kirk. She just has undying
love for Kirk. She hasn't left him in eight year.
Maybe it's ten, I gotta do the math. Maybe it's twelve.
I don't know. When she came on the scene, she's
totally adorable and she loves Kirk.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
You know, there was a funny bit before they sat down.
She goes, Kirk and I have done unimaginable things on
this couch and Luke says that too late. Where you
know he sat down.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
So good too. So okay, that scene I'm going to
give a thumbs up. Okay, Now we go over to
the Gilmour's, to Emily's and Emily's first like, Lourlai, why
are you here? And then we find out that she's
got something to tell Luke. She brings him into the
study that in the library. Whatever?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
But what what? What is? What treachery is? What treachery
is afoot here? Why can't Luke put on his big
boy pants and go over? I mean, why are they
portraying this guy such a wuss that he's so afraid
of Emily? Okay, this is a grown ass man who's
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the woman he's in love with it and has been
living with and fights him over to have dinner. Why
can't he just go without him? Like?
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Mother in laws?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yourself nervous teenage here and his mommy's got to go
with them.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Do you go to your mother in laws a lot
without your wife?
Speaker 1 (41:40):
If she invited me to dinner, I would go.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah, Danielle, have you ever been to your mother in
laws without John?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I hang out with John's mom a lot without Fine.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Okay, fine, you guys are right then I'm gonna give.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
You It's it's the destruction of a character. Where have
you ever seen. He just acts like an idiot inside
that house. You know.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
That's yeah, I think the point is to make him
look like a fish out of water. But like it's
it's it's hurting his character, like you said, because Luke
in Stars Hollow is the man right, like he is
the guy is a dark story.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
But and why isn't Laurel I respecting his you know,
his boundaries at all. It's like, I'm gonna go have
dinner with your mother. So that's a scene like, hey, no,
she invited me, I'm going. You're not going with me.
I'm not a baby. I don't need my mommy there.
You know, it's like, what is happening with this this character.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
I'm unbothered by it, but I can you guys can
be bothered by it. I'm unbothered by it. It sort
of tracks. It's always with the way it is with Emily,
like I'm not going alone. I'm not going I'll go
with you. Oh fine, you know, and then she ignores
Laura and then she calls him in the study. I
don't know Richard's office. Whatever it is, it is.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
It is emasculating, is what it is.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
I don't mind it, but I get you're don't mind Okay,
I didn't mind the scene.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
I don't mind the bit of it. I think it's
a little bit amusing. She brings them in there. You know,
she's sort of.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
You know, well, since he's now so stupid that he
doesn't know what in vitro is, right, Okay.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I agree with you on that one.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
That was ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
This one is not as ridiculous For me.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
I thought it was pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Fair.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Fair, I'm throwing. I'm throwing, like what a refs get.
They get a bunch of flags. I'm throwing like all
of my.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Flags, rejecting it from the game. You've given the ejection.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I am yes, I might ban them from the league.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
I think it's fair. It's all a little off. We
find out that Richard specifically left me for Luke. Now
it's a little rough because it's specifically to grow the
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diner and franchise it, which was mentioned in the series.
There is a point in the series where Richard talks
about that it's kind of when you go golfing.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Maybe that is all fine, but just to reject it
out of hand as these crazy rich people wanting to
take over my life and force me to do something
I don't want to do. I don't think it was
handled well. I think it's a bigger story point that
needed more carefully crafted scenes, like real consideration, because to
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take I think he needed to take it seriously. I
think he needed to contemplate it. I think he needed
to talk about it with Lorelei, but in a way
where he owns it, and he owns the decision, and
he comes to the decision with the love of his
life and then goes back to Emily and says, I
thank you. I and act like a man, you know,
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act like somebody, and go back and rejects the idea.
Reject the idea, but you know, be polite about it.
I mean, this guy put him in his will that
that deserves respect.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
I totally agree with you. I think it gets weird.
So I don't mind the way this gave it a
short ship. I don't mind the way the scene is
handled where you go back out because.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Now Luke's a minor character, he doesn't matter any more.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
I disagree. I disagree with that.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I'm in the respect to develop.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Disagree with that. Here the part that I think.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Is ridiculous side dish at this point, and he's not respected.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
So I don't agree with that part. But the part
I do agree with what you're saying is when he
goes to.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
It's a fact. It's just a fact. It's not you know.
It's like, how can you watch this thing and not
see that this guy is a side dish At this point,
they're pushing him so far to the side now, and
I know where it's going that he's not going to
exist soon. I know where this is going. I know
where this is going.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
So do I.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
But at this point I don't agree with that. I
think this scene is okay. The reason I say that,
that's fine. We can disagree, but let me just say
the point in case someone listening is like agrees or
disagrees when he comes back and tells Florlai, like, your
father left me money to grow the diner and she says, no,
that's not happening. The reason I like about, what do
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you mean? Why is it up to her because you
don't want it? You've been right? Why why I will
long you don't want it?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
I will everyone?
Speaker 1 (46:35):
What about what about his daughter? He's got a daughter
he wants to provide for too, so it's actually a
gift that of what half a million dollars to start
another diner and to franchise this out. This could be
good for him and La.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
The character has never wanted her, could be.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Good for April. I mean, there's no practical reason to
reject it other.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Than this guy is rejected it years ago.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Dish At this point, I think the problem is everybody,
so they can just.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Do reject it. Guys, everybody, hold on one second, we
do need to acknowledge oh wor spitting fire. But Luke
rejected this idea years ago when Richard brought it up.
He doesn't want I'm being true to the character. He
doesn't want to franchise the diner. He doesn't want to
get in.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
He didn't want to franchise change the thing. The problem here,
in my opinion, is no one is letting Luke speak.
No one is letting Luke decide. Emily Richard are saying
here's the money you need to franchise and saying he
doesn't want this. So no one is letting Luke decide
what he wants to do.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
But do you guys think Luke does want it? Because
I think Luke doesn't want it.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I think if he didn't, he would have said, Emily,
see you next year, you know, like he would would
have he would have told I felt like I feel
like he would have.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Right, he's not enough of a man now because he's
been so marginalized and so castrated that he doesn't even
have the stones even if he wanted it to stand
up the Laura li and say, I think once it
would be I think this, let me let me finish.
I think this would be a good idea. Let's discuss it.
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And maybe that's the thing that drives a wedge between them,
and she goes off, you know, hunting for you know,
her her soul somewhere in Califoina. But I mean it's
like you, It's like, okay, so if you're gonna open
up this can of worms with this guy, at least
give him the respect. And I don't need to repeat myself,
but I do. I poorly handled and and all.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
I can say is it is bizarre when you go
with the realtor. So my thing is until this point,
you're you're being polite. This is her husband who's passed away,
this is what he wanted. So so Luke's sort of
like okay, thank you, let me, you know, talk to
you later, tells Laura. The part it's unhinged and ridiculous
is that Emily storms into the diner in the middle
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of the work day and forces Luke in the car
like a like you know, he's being held with the
you know, with.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
The woozy that he now is, and now he is
going along with it.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
There are places that part, that's what a woo does.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
He just goes along that. He's not a character anymore,
he's not Luke anymore.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
That's where I'm agreeing with you. I don't agree with
it yet, but coming up it's like that was ridiculous.
He would have been like Emily, I'm not going to
go look at these places. And you know, yes, it's
sort of amusing. He's going into these restaurants and being
like sorry, sorry, sorry, and they're in the car and
the whole thing. But like that was crazy. He's gonna
be like Emily, I'm not going not getting in the
car and driving around what anyway whatever. Up until this point,
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I'm like, I wasn't that irritated by it.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
There's all that rich soil, all that fertile soil to
sow the seeds of conflict and it wasn't taken advantage
of at least now Luke not his.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Care We'll say, I do feel like Luke is not
dismissing it fully, but you know, like because even when
he was when they went to that diner, he was like,
this is not the best area of town, and Emily
was like, this is up and coming, YadA yah, you
know whatever. And I feel like Luke is entertaining it
(50:21):
a little bit, but he doesn't have control over it, right.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
But you know what, Also the problem is is like
Richard's gone, Emily is distraught. It doesn't matter what happened
since Laurel I was sixteen, everybody. It shows that there
has been no or very little character growth from the
main character in this show from the time she was
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sixteen to present day. Because now she's in therapy, she's
being rude to her own mother. She's being dismissive and
mean to her own mother. And Emily had to stand
there and say, I am in a tremendous amount of
pain and she's breaking down in front of her own daughter.
Why can't you acknowledge my pain and help me with
my pain? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (51:08):
I think the same to be said vice versa. I
don't think either of them have gone. I think because
Lorala breaks down as my dad is gone, and Emily
is not doing the same for her, they're both not
doing the same for each other.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
I just think the path here forward would have been
better served if it showed growth in all of these
characters and all of these relationships, maturing getting involved in
a business venture and seeing what the complications of that
could read, but not castrating Luke and not presenting Larelai
(51:47):
as an emotionally stunted person as they are portraying her
as well, So we're not even on that subject, like
what is going on Floraala? And there is just this
there's this stagnation with these characters. They're they're they're being deconstructed,
They're they're sort of you know, they're sort of losing
(52:10):
their magic and their power, and it's hard to watch.
And I think that's the thing that you know, put
you to sleep and put me to sleep, as we
almost and it's and it's kind of unnerving. These characters
mean a lot to this fan base and they you know,
these characters mean a lot to me too, and I
don't like seeing them treated this way, and I don't
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like seeing them acting this way or saying these things
or behaving in these ways, because it doesn't ring true
to me at all. So deal with the diner. Do
the diner, have the complications, have the growth, embrace your mother,
get over it. Don't need to be in therapy. But
here we are, right, it's like, help your mom.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Okay, what's so?
Speaker 1 (52:53):
What?
Speaker 3 (52:53):
What?
Speaker 1 (52:53):
What's the message of this show? A community comes together,
it's family. At what point do we we can lay
down our swords with these two? Right? These two can
lay down their swords and new conflict can emerge out
of the coming together of these of mother and daughter. Right.
(53:13):
I don't I don't understand why they're doing this to
these characters. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
I feel like it tracks for the characters the whole.
We've had seven years of Emily and Lorla not seeing
eye to eye and not getting along, and so they
are continuing that. So I actually find Yes, I don't
love it all the time, but to me, it is
true to the characters. Emily's not going to suddenly out
of left field be like I'm going to be the
(53:38):
better person and care about my daughter and Laura.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
No, it's on Laura to take care of her mom.
She's getting older, she's alone, she's in this massive house, right.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
I mean, I just a certain how much.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
I can't even answer that question because it's like in theory, sure,
but Laura has never been taken care of by her mom.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
I don't correct. It's this is a woman who's really
treated Lorlai somewhat badly. That's what I always say about Emily.
She's hot cold, She's not one or the other, She's both.
So Lorlai is doing her part. Lorlai was right there
by her side for the when everything happened with Richard.
She's in therapy with her. She's doing her part. But
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Emily is prickly, and Emily doesn't have any respect for
Lorli her decisions or Luke, which really doesn't have.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Just suddenly there have been a few moments of clarity
for Loralai appreciating her mother, haven't there There's.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Been a few moments where where Emily really accepts Loralai
for who she is, but very few.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
I guess. I guess that's really like the focus sort
of gets out of focus very easily with these two.
It's hard for them to come together. But I just
think at this point, I don't know what I'm watching
right now. I don't know what I'm watching, and I
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don't know.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Why you're not wrong with that what you'll say, there's
glimmers of Gilmore girl in it, Gilmore girls in it,
but there's a lot that is like this is kind
of messier hinged, right, So it's like some of it
does track though, Lorle and Emily not getting along.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
You know what, it's the same old song and dance.
I think we're ready for something different than that. That's fair,
that mighty, and how many times are you going to
go to that well? It's the same? I mean, really,
we're still there after all of these years. It's like
another level.
Speaker 3 (55:46):
Speaking of going to the well, we're at Chiltern now
and we're going to the well of Paris being unhinged.
Speaker 5 (55:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (55:52):
It's like we know it. They love to write it,
so that's what we're dealing with. So they come in
that we've got the one hundred thousand. We find out
Paris gave one hundred thousand dollars, YadA, YadA. I can't
remember she gives her talk first, or if she gives
it after but they're in the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
Did you let any of this? Uh, Paris rant.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
No, I did not love it.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
I didn't either, and it was one Nancy.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Showing up was amusing. I laughed when Francie was dropping bombs.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
I thought it was wonderfully acted. But you know, I
didn't think it was terribly funny.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
Hacky does make a good point, she said. She laughed
when Paris held the door close with her foot, which
I giggled a little bit too. That was funny, and
I thought it was a good reveal, you know, if
Francis showing up and sort of being a little bit
mean to Paris still and you see a bit of
Rory and Pars's friendship, like I'm not going to tell
anybody about the empty briefcase and yeah, you know, and look,
(56:47):
Paris is going through a divorce, so it tracks that
she's going to be a bit unhinged, you know, Like
I wouldn't want Paris to just be perfect, because that's
not Paris. Yeah, so I look, I like seeing Headmaster Charlton.
Am I saying his name right, Charles Charlton.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
I like being back at Chilton, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
I love getting that that shot of the building with
them outside in the driveway. That was awesome. There's a
lot of nostalgic things that work about.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
This, and it's heads Charleston. I think he said that, Charleston.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
Yeah, the core storyline lacks.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Hey, Scott Patterson, we have so much more to talk
about with Spring, so stay tuned. Hey, everybody forget Follow
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