April 9, 2025 • 28 mins
Daisy’s friends, relatives, and neighbors are stunned by her senseless murder. Detectives look for answers, but their investigation stalls when they realize there are no witnesses and no reliable surveillance footage. As the months go by, Daisy’s community grows impatient and decides to take matters into their own hands. If the police won’t identify a suspect, then they’ll do it themselves.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The news of Daisy's murder rattled everyone at her apartment complex.
There was no making sense of what had happened there,
So much of it just didn't at up.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It was hard, like, how can it happen? And nobody
saw on the thing, nobody heard anything.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
That's Wendy al Davia. She used to live in Daisy's
apartment complex, and her mother actually still lived there at
the time of Daisy's death. She rented the unit right
below Daisy's family. Wendy was deeply invested in getting justice
for Daisy. It wasn't just because she'd known Daisy since
Daisy was a little girl, or because her son Jeffrey,
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who was thirteen at the time, had been the one
to identify Daisy's body to the police.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It was also because.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
One of Wendy's belongings ended up becoming a key piece
of evidence, the blue patterned carpet that had been placed
over Daisy's body.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It was onondies.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I had too, and I took one home and I
left one for my mom, And then my mom said
she didn't want it. That's why I threw it out.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Mm hmm, that's a wild yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And no, and then wait and then my neighbors she
was moving out at the time, and she said she
was she threw a lot of knives, like a lot
of stuff out in the trash. So she's like, oh,
my god, imagine if they said it was me, because
the obviously the knife that she threw away had her fingerprints.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
It was her knife that she threw away.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I'll just say it is unclear whether the knives she
threw away or in.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Fact the murder weapon.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Because we were all thinking about like all that stuff.
We were having conversations, and she was like, imagine if
they come and they say it was us, because if
it has our fingerprints, I'm like, well, they'll probably say
it was us too, because we have the carpet.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
The carpet was ours. You know, we were all trying
to come into conclusions.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Right because you don't know what's going on, and like,
no one's giving you information.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
No, And obviously the comte sheriffs didn't come to us
and be like, oh, the we found this night, we
found this carpet or anything like that. No, we didn't
know anything.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The murder and the absence of information around it, it
created this void, this panic, this paranoia, a fear that
everyone was a suspect, including maybe even Wendy and her neighbor.
But this idea that just anybody was a suspect it
wasn't something that Daisy's mother or her friends subscribed to.
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They were pretty sure they knew exactly who had committed
this murder. The question was why hadn't he been arrested yet.
I'm Jen Swan from London Audio iHeartRadio and executive producer Parasiltan.
This is My Friend Daisy Episode four, another death in
Compton that Daisy slipped out of the house and never
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came home. Her mother, Susie, noticed something that concerned her.
It was a message on Daisy's phone from Mark's boyfriend,
Victor Sosa. Normally, Susie told me she would never read
her daughter's text messages, but she happened to see it
pop up while she was looking in Daisy's direction. It
contained just five words, I've got something for you. After
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Daisy got this message, she got up. She hugged her
mother and her grandmother and she told them she'd be
right back. She opened the screen door and walked down
the steps of the second floor apartment. Susie wasn't happy
about it, but she felt she couldn't say anything. Daisy
was technically an adult, even if she was also still
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a teenager, and if Susie's past experiences had taught her
anything it was that the more you tell a teenager
not to do something, the more they want to do it. Besides,
Susie had no reason to suspect that Daisy wasn't going
to come right back. She left her phone and her
wallet inside the house. When Daisy didn't come right back,
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Susie figured she'd spent the night with Victor. It was disappointing,
but maybe not surprising. Old habits are hard to break.
When Susie identified her daughter's body the next day, the
detectives asked her a series of questions. Who did she
hang out with? Did she have a boyfriend. That's when
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Susie told them about Victor. She told me that she
called the lead detective, Ray Luco, nearly every single day
to ask for updates, and to his credit, he always answered,
she said. When he didn't he called back right away.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
They said, Lugo, please leave a message.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
But even when she got him on the line, Susie
said Luco didn't give her much information. He was empathetic
but evasive. The investigation was ongoing and he couldn't say much.
All he could say was that he and his partner Sanchez,
were working the case following Leeds, conducting interviews, and that
they couldn't just arrest someone without evidence. Susie tried to
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be patient to stay positive, which meant staying busy. A
week after Daisy's murder, she went back to work. She
needed to be away from the apartment that had become
indistinguishable from the crime scene, and she didn't want to
deal with running into her neighbors, with being gossiped about,
or worse, in her eyes, being pitied everybody she knew.
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Everybody probably had a million questions.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I thought about Susie. I'm like, how does she not
know her daughter was gone if she was living with her?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You know, that's Wendy again. When I met with Wendy
outside of a grocery store near Compton, almost exactly three
years had gone by since Daisy's murder. A lot had
happened Bundy's life in those three years.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Now I think about it and I'm like, can't judge
people because you don't know, you know, what can happen
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Her oldest daughter had recently turned eighteen, which meant that
Wendy now had this new knowledge, this new experience of
how difficult it is to raise a daughter that age,
and it gave her this new perspective on what Susie
was going through.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It's like they don't know how to live even though
they are eighteen and thinking they're an adult, like they're not.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So you were saying, before you had teenage kids, you
were thinking like, why wasn't she watching her kids?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
How did she not know?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I thought about that. That was my first thought, like
how did she not know her daughter was gone? Like
the whole night and the whole morning, you know. But
like I'm saying, now I realize it, and I'm like, oh, well,
we have no control over them. You know, They're gonna
do what they want. And she had just thought that
she had went back to her ex boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's what Daisy's grandfather thought too, that Daisy had gone
Dizzy Victor the night she left the apartment. The night
of February twenty second, twenty twenty one, Daisy and her
mother and her grandmother had been in the living room.
They were sitting on the couch watching television. One was
sitting in a chair across from them and he was
the only one with a view of the window, and
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around ten thirty pm he saw something that nobody else saw.
It was something moving outside. It was dark out and
he wasn't totally sure what he saw, like maybe it
was a shadow or maybe it was nothing, so he
decided not to say anything. Everyone was having a good
time and he didn't want to ruin the mood. But
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then he saw it again.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Say, I said, Won there is.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
And I said Won there is?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
K Yeah, I'd be Amasi Jared.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And the second time he saw it, he said, it
was clear there was a person and outside the window.
He couldn't tell who it was because they were wearing
a beanie and a hood and a mask over their face.
The only thing that he could make out was their eyes,
and for a brief moment he stared directly into them,
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and then almost as soon as they made eye contact,
this person vanished. When the detectives questioned one, he told
this story to them and they asked him to come
down to the station. They wanted him to look at
some photographs to tell them if he recognized the person.
He saw in the window that night. Juan remembered being nervous.
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He'd never done anything like this before, but if it
would help the investigation, then he was willing to do it.
He showed up to the homicide Bureau and he was
instructed to sit down at a table and look at
six photographs. Each photograph showed a different man's face, and
each of these men looked a little like the suspect,
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which was Victor. Victor's photo was included among these six.
The other five were what's known as fillers. So these
are people that the police know we're not at the
crime scene. Often that's because these fillers are photos of
incarcerated people. They're the booking photos, and they're now in
a police database. So this method is what cops call
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a six pack. It's basically a modern day version of
a police lineup. You've probably seen this in movies or
TV shows where the suspect and a bunch of people
who sort of resemble the suspect are put in a
room and the witness has to say, like that's the guy. Well,
that kind of thing never really happens anymore, at least
not in person.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Now it's all done through.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Photographs, and there's a lot of debate about whether this
is actually effective or ethical. Some critics say that it
can lead to false arrests and convictions. That's actually one
of the reasons why in California detectives are not allowed
to do six packs on their own case. They're typically
presented by detectives who aren't involved in the investigation. It's
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intended to prevent them from pressuring a witness, even inadvertently,
to select the person they know is the suspect. It's
a really imperfect process, to say the least, but detectives
sometimes rely on it when they don't have much else
to go off. It can help them get an arrest warrant.
So here was Wan. He's sitting in this room, there's
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probably a fluorescent light buzzing overhead, and he's staring down
at these six photographs in front of him.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
He recognized Victor's photo.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
He pointed him out to detectives and he told them
this is Daisy's ex boyfriend, this is the person.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Who killed her. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Wan was not brought into the station to identify Daisy's ex.
He was asked something really specific. He was asked who
was the person you'd seen outside the window that night.
One had always a boomed that this person was Victor,
But now sitting in that room, he realized he wasn't sure.
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One said that whenever Victor came around, he always waited
for Daisy downstairs on the ground floor of the apartment building.
He never climbed the stairs and walked up the landing
of the second floor unit.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
He never appeared in the window.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It was like he wanted to avoid all contact with
Daisy's family, and in the moment, this Madejan doubt himself.
He studied the photos in front of him. He looked
at Victor's photo, and then he looked at all the others.
He scanned each of the men's faces, one after the other.
He looked into their eyes and studied their bone structure.
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He noticed their blemishes, the shapes of their scars, the
length of their eyelashes, and he wondered, did one of
these men kill my granddaughter? Eventually, after what felt like
hours of staring, of searching, trying to access some deep
part of his memory, he decided that one of the
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faces staring back at him did look like the person
he saw in the window that night. The eyes he
saw peeking out from above the mask. He told detectives
that this was him, this was the killer, but that
couldn't have been true because the man that Wan picked
was a filler. There was one other person who reported
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seeing the suspect at the apartment complex the night of
February twenty second, and that person was Jeffrey, Wendy's son.
He'd been walking home from his cousin's apartment on the
other side of the complex.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
That's when he saw Daisy.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
She was laying down between two buildings and there was
someone standing over her, piecing back and forth. Jeffrey had
assumed that this person was Victor, because you know, he'd
seen Victor hanging around with Daisy before at the apartment complex.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
But when Jeffrey was asked.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
To look at the six photos, the photo of Victor
and the five fillers, he, like Juan, chose a photo
that was not Victor's detectives had struck out on the
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six pack. Neither of their witnesses had been able to
identify the suspect, which to them either meant that Victor
hadn't done it, or that it would be that much
harder to arrest him if he had.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
That must have.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Been frustrating, frustrating.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah, yeah, it was really frustrating.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
It was frustrating going home, like, even if we catch him,
we don't have unless he confesses, we don't have Jack.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
That's Ray Lugo.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
He works for the La County Sheriff's Department and he
was the lead detective on this case.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
At that point.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Luco told me he and his partner Leo Sanchez were
still waiting for the DNA from the crime scene to
be processed.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Here's how Sanchez put it.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
A lot of it, A lot of it depended on
the DNA evidence that was that we recovered. Because there
was a knife recovered close to her body, which we
believed was the murder weapon, and the big deal with
that was try to determine whose DNA was left on
that knife. So you know, it's this DNA testing takes
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a little bit of time. It's not it doesn't. It
doesn't happen like on the TV shows. Doesn't happen overnight, right, it.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Doesn't happen like on the TV shows. It's something I've
heard a lot from both Sanchez and Luco.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I know everybody watches TV and thinks these type of
cases are very easy.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
But if you can't prove it, it doesn't matter. They
may not have had a witness, but they did have
what they thought would be a vital piece of evidence,
surveillance footage from the crime scene.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Yes, I just heard it. Yeah, let me actually, let
me come my brother and not to wake them up.
See if you could get your guys any footage, I'll
be yeah.
Speaker 8 (15:20):
Anything.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
So remember how this neighbor said he'd call his brother
in law to get a hold of this security footage.
Well he did, and that guy ended up handing over
the video to detectives.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
So what I'm gonna do, I'll I'll look at it through.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
The cloud on the big screen, because on the phone
you really can't see anything. So I'm gonna download the
clips for you guys, and thank you, Thank you, guys.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Meet them.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
The detectives had told me that getting surveillance video like
this one it wasn't always easy, especially in places like
Compton where residents didn't always see the benefit of handing
over evidence to the police. Here's what Sanchez told me.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
You know, a lot of it is they're afraid. You know,
people are afraid to speak to law enforcement. They think
we're gonna you know, they think that they're in trouble
or a lot of them don't want to go to
court and testify.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Right.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
It's you've been in courtrooms. It's scary.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
The one gentleman that we had asked for, he was
forthcoming and said, yeah, you know, you can download it.
He didn't take it, didn't require much convincing and say listen,
I need your help.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Right, But when detectives reviewed the video, they discovered it
did not reveal much. The grainy black and white footage
had been captured from a distance. It showed the shadowy
figure of a person out by the alley where the
garbage bins were. They were dragging something in the corner
of the frame, but it wasn't enough to prove that
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it was Victor. It wasn't enough to make an arrest.
Here's Sanchez again.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Well that was dark, there were no lights out.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
There was shadow images, but it's hard to make out
a definitive.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Individual and say, hey, that's the individual.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
You know, we were trying to locate Victor, and I
think at one point we did a stretch warrant. We
wrote a starch warrant to get his cell phone data
to see if he was still.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
In, you know, see where he was at. I don't
think we got anything out of that.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
What do you mean You don't mean like, did you
actually get the warrant?
Speaker 6 (17:23):
I don't remember if we got I don't know if
we did the double check. Yeah, we did write a
stretch onrant his for somebody, let me double check, but
i'most certain it's Yeah, that was a phone number that we.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
That Daisy's mom provided us that belonged to Victor.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Okay, so did you actually were you actually tracking his
cell phone or was it not approved?
Speaker 6 (17:50):
No, the warrant was approved, but I don't remember if
he had shut the phone off or he had just
dumped in and we never found it.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
But yeah, we couldn't find him with his phone.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Detectives could not locate Victor. He was gone.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
I mean, had Victor been there that day, most definitely
he would have been interviewed, right, hey, where were you
at last night?
Speaker 5 (18:13):
What were you doing? Stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
It wouldn't it wouldn't have eliminated him as a as
a potential suspect at that point, but you know, anybody's
a suspect until they get eliminated. I think at one
point somebody ran him on a computer and got an address,
and we sent either a gang detective or a station
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individual detective to check the house out to see if
they could see if he was.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
In the area or not, and they were unable to
locate him.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Even Victor's own mother couldn't find him. The same week
that Daisy's body was found, Victor's mom filed a missing
person's report for her son.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
It was all deeply just to Susie.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
She continued to call Detective Luco every day asking for updates,
and each time she hoped to hear the words we've
got him, We've made an arrest. But the weeks continue
to slip by, and those words never came. Susie's sadness
turned to anger. Her biggest fear, she said, was that
Daisy's case wouldn't be taken seriously because she wasn't white.
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If you're white, she remembered, thinking, then you get the spotlight.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And there's plenty of.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Research to suggest that Susie's fears aren't wrong. Academic studies
have found that white homicide victims generally garner the most
news coverage, and federal data shows that these cases are
also the most.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Likely to be solved.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
To Daisy's mother and to some of Daisy's friends, it
felt like detectives had simply moved on given up. They
keep us in the dark, Susie told me. The victim's
family in the dark. It's a feeling that Wendy knows intimately.
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So in the time between Daisy's murder and when I
interviewed Wendy about three years later, something horrific had happened
to her, something that completely shattered her life, which is
that she had lost her own child to murder.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
An investigation is underway in Compton after a sixteen year
old was shot and killed. When deputies arrived, they found
the teen with a gunshot wound to the upper tours,
so he was rushed to the hospital where he later died.
A man was also found.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Wendy's son, Jeffrey, the boy who grew up with Daisy
and later identified her body, was fatally shot the day
after Christmas twenty twenty three. Wendy and I met up
four months after that. Everything was still raw and still
completely unresolved, because at that point she still had no
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idea who killed her son.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I don't have any news, if anything of any kind
from like the homicide detectives, nothing like that. I reached
out to them in the beginning. They never reached out
to me, and I don't know anything.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
The Elli County Sheriff's Department wouldn't tell me anything either.
They said they couldn't give me any information about an
ongoing investigation. Wendy felt that the sheriffs were giving her
the run around, even treating her as a suspect. When
she got to the hospital the night that Jeffrey had
been shot, she said the sheriffs were standing outside his
room and wouldn't let her inside. At some point, a
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doctor informed Wendy that her son didn't make it, but
even then, she said, the sheriffs wouldn't allow her into
the room to see his body. She wasn't even allowed
to go to her car.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I had to call.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Somebody to pick me up, and I didn't have a car.
They took my car for about three days. I'm like,
you guys are not going to find anything in my car,
and I was not the one who dropped them off.
I don't know what they were looking for because they
hold my car for evidence for evidence of what my
son's killing.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Like, really, Wendy said, she tried calling the detective assigned
to the case. She said that he told her she
wouldn't have to pay the eighty dollars to get her
car released, but the call went straight to voicemail, and
Wendy paid the bill. In the absence of information about
her son's murder, her mind just started racing, trying to
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imagine what might have happened that night.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Obviously I don't know anything. Yeah, I'm getting my own
self mailed little conclusions, trying to keep my own self
busy without me like having to reach out to the
homicide detective because they seem to not to care.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
After that, Wendy retreated. She felt alienated by the police,
abandoned by them. She was grieving, and she didn't have
the energy to keep calling the detectives to demand answers,
answers they didn't aim to have anyway.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So it's like.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
How can I say it? I think like, I feel
like Compton sheriffs are just like, oh, another death, It's okay,
Oh another death, who cares?
Speaker 8 (23:14):
You know?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I don't know, another death in Compton, who cares? What?
That was the impression Wendy got from the Sheriff's department.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Basically, that's how I took it. I took it like
a slap to the face, like Okay, no, he's dead.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Oh well, I'm going to come back to Jeffrey's story
later in this series. But when I interviewed Daisy's friends
and relatives in the months following her murder, they often
expressed some variation of that sentiment, that anger, that grief
that Wendy was now feeling. There was this feeling that
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the authorities had collectively shrugged in the face of murder.
Some of Daisy's friends did not want to be interviewed
again for this podcast. They were still trying to process
their grief to move on from it. Some had recently
become mothers. They were twenty somethings who were living their
adult lives like Daisy should have been. But one of
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Daisy's friends from high school told me something that really
stuck with me. I remembered the anger, the matter of
factness in her voice. The cops, she said, half ass everything.
In our communities, especially in Compton, they become so desensitized
to violence that they forget it's someone's daughter on the floor.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Stabbed to death. She said.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Three months after Daisy's murder, there had been no significant
updates in the case. There were no press conferences, no
news of a possible DNA match, there were no rewards
offered for information leading to an arrest, and the police
had yet to announce that there was even a suspect.
They hadn't released Victor's name or his photo to the public.
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It made one of Daisy's friends start to wonder, but
if maybe the police really did have some other intel
that she didn't know about, Like maybe the DNA at
the crime scene matched with someone who wasn't Victor. Maybe
the detectives were looking into a different suspect. But the
longer she waited, the more she became convinced that her
instincts had been.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Right all along.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
There was no way Victor hadn't done this, she remembered, thinking,
it just didn't make sense. Otherwise, there was no one
else who would have wanted to hurt Daisy. She and
her friends considered looking for Victor on their own. They
had a few ideas about where he might be hiding,
like the motel that he sometimes rented for him and Daisy,
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or somewhere in the bushes along the Elle River, because
even before he went on the run, they told me
it wasn't unusual for him to spend the night on
the streets. Daisy sometimes came with him just to keep
him company. That's just the kind of person she was,
her friends told me. Ultimately, though, Daisy's friends thought better
of their search party because what if they did find Victor,
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what were they going to do then? Or worse, what
was he going to do. That's when they began talking
about ways to spread the word.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Maybe if other.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
People knew to look out for this guy, then someone
would be able to spot him. And if detectives weren't
going to put his name and photo out, they thought,
then fine, we'll do it ourselves. They told Susie about
their plan, and she gave them her blessing. She told
them do whatever it takes to find him next time.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
On my friend Daisy, I would.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Tell other people too, like, hey, you want to meet
up and look for him?
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I'd be so down. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
That's like really scary to have someone that does something
so fucked up to someone else.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Hi, everyone, this is Paris. Thanks for listening to my
friend Daisy. If you are someone you love is experiencing abuse.
You are not alone. Help is available twenty four to seven.
Contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline for free confidential support.
Call eight hundred seven nine to nine seven two three three,
text start to eight eight seven eight eight, or visit
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Speaker 1 (27:20):
My Friend Daisy is a production of London Audio with
support from Sony Music Entertainment. It's reported, written and executive
produced by me Jen Swan. I'm also your host. Our
executive producers for London Audio are Paris Hilton, Bruce gersh
Bruce Robertson and Joanna Studebaker. Our executive producer for Sony
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Music Entertainment is Jonathan Hirsch. Our associate producer is Zoe Coulkin.
Production assistants and translations by Miguel Contreras, Sound design, composing
and mixing by Hans Dale she Our fact checker is
Fendel Fulton. Our head of production is Sammy Allison and
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our production manager is Tamika Balance Colosny Special thanks to
Steve Akerman, Emily Rossick and Jamie Myers at Sony, Ben
Goldberg and Orley Greenberg at Uta, and Jen Ortiz at
The Cut. This episode cites two different studies. One of
them is called Whose Lives Matter, which appeared in Sociology
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of Race and Ethnicity. It was published by sociologists at
University of Chicago and Stanford University, and it was previously
reported on by the Marshall Project.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
You can go read more about that on their website.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
And the federal clearance rate data that I mentioned, which
breaks down homicide clearance rates by race, was based on
a CBS News analysis of the FBI's data. You can
read more about it on CBS News's website. Thanks so
much for listening
The news of Daisy's murder rattled everyone at her apartment complex.
There was no making sense of what had happened there,
So much of it just didn't at up.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It was hard, like, how can it happen? And nobody
saw on the thing, nobody heard anything.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
That's Wendy al Davia. She used to live in Daisy's
apartment complex, and her mother actually still lived there at
the time of Daisy's death. She rented the unit right
below Daisy's family. Wendy was deeply invested in getting justice
for Daisy. It wasn't just because she'd known Daisy since
Daisy was a little girl, or because her son Jeffrey,
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who was thirteen at the time, had been the one
to identify Daisy's body to the police.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It was also because.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
One of Wendy's belongings ended up becoming a key piece
of evidence, the blue patterned carpet that had been placed
over Daisy's body.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It was onondies.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I had too, and I took one home and I
left one for my mom, And then my mom said
she didn't want it. That's why I threw it out.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Mm hmm, that's a wild yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And no, and then wait and then my neighbors she
was moving out at the time, and she said she
was she threw a lot of knives, like a lot
of stuff out in the trash. So she's like, oh,
my god, imagine if they said it was me, because
the obviously the knife that she threw away had her fingerprints.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
It was her knife that she threw away.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I'll just say it is unclear whether the knives she
threw away or in.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Fact the murder weapon.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Because we were all thinking about like all that stuff.
We were having conversations, and she was like, imagine if
they come and they say it was us, because if
it has our fingerprints, I'm like, well, they'll probably say
it was us too, because we have the carpet.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
The carpet was ours. You know, we were all trying
to come into conclusions.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Right because you don't know what's going on, and like,
no one's giving you information.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
No, And obviously the comte sheriffs didn't come to us
and be like, oh, the we found this night, we
found this carpet or anything like that. No, we didn't
know anything.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The murder and the absence of information around it, it
created this void, this panic, this paranoia, a fear that
everyone was a suspect, including maybe even Wendy and her neighbor.
But this idea that just anybody was a suspect it
wasn't something that Daisy's mother or her friends subscribed to.
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They were pretty sure they knew exactly who had committed
this murder. The question was why hadn't he been arrested yet.
I'm Jen Swan from London Audio iHeartRadio and executive producer Parasiltan.
This is My Friend Daisy Episode four, another death in
Compton that Daisy slipped out of the house and never
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came home. Her mother, Susie, noticed something that concerned her.
It was a message on Daisy's phone from Mark's boyfriend,
Victor Sosa. Normally, Susie told me she would never read
her daughter's text messages, but she happened to see it
pop up while she was looking in Daisy's direction. It
contained just five words, I've got something for you. After
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Daisy got this message, she got up. She hugged her
mother and her grandmother and she told them she'd be
right back. She opened the screen door and walked down
the steps of the second floor apartment. Susie wasn't happy
about it, but she felt she couldn't say anything. Daisy
was technically an adult, even if she was also still
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a teenager, and if Susie's past experiences had taught her
anything it was that the more you tell a teenager
not to do something, the more they want to do it. Besides,
Susie had no reason to suspect that Daisy wasn't going
to come right back. She left her phone and her
wallet inside the house. When Daisy didn't come right back,
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Susie figured she'd spent the night with Victor. It was disappointing,
but maybe not surprising. Old habits are hard to break.
When Susie identified her daughter's body the next day, the
detectives asked her a series of questions. Who did she
hang out with? Did she have a boyfriend. That's when
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Susie told them about Victor. She told me that she
called the lead detective, Ray Luco, nearly every single day
to ask for updates, and to his credit, he always answered,
she said. When he didn't he called back right away.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
They said, Lugo, please leave a message.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
But even when she got him on the line, Susie
said Luco didn't give her much information. He was empathetic
but evasive. The investigation was ongoing and he couldn't say much.
All he could say was that he and his partner Sanchez,
were working the case following Leeds, conducting interviews, and that
they couldn't just arrest someone without evidence. Susie tried to
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be patient to stay positive, which meant staying busy. A
week after Daisy's murder, she went back to work. She
needed to be away from the apartment that had become
indistinguishable from the crime scene, and she didn't want to
deal with running into her neighbors, with being gossiped about,
or worse, in her eyes, being pitied everybody she knew.
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Everybody probably had a million questions.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I thought about Susie. I'm like, how does she not
know her daughter was gone if she was living with her?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You know, that's Wendy again. When I met with Wendy
outside of a grocery store near Compton, almost exactly three
years had gone by since Daisy's murder. A lot had
happened Bundy's life in those three years.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Now I think about it and I'm like, can't judge
people because you don't know, you know, what can happen
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Her oldest daughter had recently turned eighteen, which meant that
Wendy now had this new knowledge, this new experience of
how difficult it is to raise a daughter that age,
and it gave her this new perspective on what Susie
was going through.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It's like they don't know how to live even though
they are eighteen and thinking they're an adult, like they're not.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So you were saying, before you had teenage kids, you
were thinking like, why wasn't she watching her kids?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
How did she not know?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I thought about that. That was my first thought, like
how did she not know her daughter was gone? Like
the whole night and the whole morning, you know. But
like I'm saying, now I realize it, and I'm like, oh, well,
we have no control over them. You know, They're gonna
do what they want. And she had just thought that
she had went back to her ex boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's what Daisy's grandfather thought too, that Daisy had gone
Dizzy Victor the night she left the apartment. The night
of February twenty second, twenty twenty one, Daisy and her
mother and her grandmother had been in the living room.
They were sitting on the couch watching television. One was
sitting in a chair across from them and he was
the only one with a view of the window, and
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around ten thirty pm he saw something that nobody else saw.
It was something moving outside. It was dark out and
he wasn't totally sure what he saw, like maybe it
was a shadow or maybe it was nothing, so he
decided not to say anything. Everyone was having a good
time and he didn't want to ruin the mood. But
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then he saw it again.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Say, I said, Won there is.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
And I said Won there is?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
K Yeah, I'd be Amasi Jared.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And the second time he saw it, he said, it
was clear there was a person and outside the window.
He couldn't tell who it was because they were wearing
a beanie and a hood and a mask over their face.
The only thing that he could make out was their eyes,
and for a brief moment he stared directly into them,
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and then almost as soon as they made eye contact,
this person vanished. When the detectives questioned one, he told
this story to them and they asked him to come
down to the station. They wanted him to look at
some photographs to tell them if he recognized the person.
He saw in the window that night. Juan remembered being nervous.
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He'd never done anything like this before, but if it
would help the investigation, then he was willing to do it.
He showed up to the homicide Bureau and he was
instructed to sit down at a table and look at
six photographs. Each photograph showed a different man's face, and
each of these men looked a little like the suspect,
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which was Victor. Victor's photo was included among these six.
The other five were what's known as fillers. So these
are people that the police know we're not at the
crime scene. Often that's because these fillers are photos of
incarcerated people. They're the booking photos, and they're now in
a police database. So this method is what cops call
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a six pack. It's basically a modern day version of
a police lineup. You've probably seen this in movies or
TV shows where the suspect and a bunch of people
who sort of resemble the suspect are put in a
room and the witness has to say, like that's the guy. Well,
that kind of thing never really happens anymore, at least
not in person.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Now it's all done through.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Photographs, and there's a lot of debate about whether this
is actually effective or ethical. Some critics say that it
can lead to false arrests and convictions. That's actually one
of the reasons why in California detectives are not allowed
to do six packs on their own case. They're typically
presented by detectives who aren't involved in the investigation. It's
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intended to prevent them from pressuring a witness, even inadvertently,
to select the person they know is the suspect. It's
a really imperfect process, to say the least, but detectives
sometimes rely on it when they don't have much else
to go off. It can help them get an arrest warrant.
So here was Wan. He's sitting in this room, there's
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probably a fluorescent light buzzing overhead, and he's staring down
at these six photographs in front of him.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
He recognized Victor's photo.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
He pointed him out to detectives and he told them
this is Daisy's ex boyfriend, this is the person.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Who killed her. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Wan was not brought into the station to identify Daisy's ex.
He was asked something really specific. He was asked who
was the person you'd seen outside the window that night.
One had always a boomed that this person was Victor,
But now sitting in that room, he realized he wasn't sure.
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One said that whenever Victor came around, he always waited
for Daisy downstairs on the ground floor of the apartment building.
He never climbed the stairs and walked up the landing
of the second floor unit.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
He never appeared in the window.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It was like he wanted to avoid all contact with
Daisy's family, and in the moment, this Madejan doubt himself.
He studied the photos in front of him. He looked
at Victor's photo, and then he looked at all the others.
He scanned each of the men's faces, one after the other.
He looked into their eyes and studied their bone structure.
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He noticed their blemishes, the shapes of their scars, the
length of their eyelashes, and he wondered, did one of
these men kill my granddaughter? Eventually, after what felt like
hours of staring, of searching, trying to access some deep
part of his memory, he decided that one of the
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faces staring back at him did look like the person
he saw in the window that night. The eyes he
saw peeking out from above the mask. He told detectives
that this was him, this was the killer, but that
couldn't have been true because the man that Wan picked
was a filler. There was one other person who reported
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seeing the suspect at the apartment complex the night of
February twenty second, and that person was Jeffrey, Wendy's son.
He'd been walking home from his cousin's apartment on the
other side of the complex.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
That's when he saw Daisy.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
She was laying down between two buildings and there was
someone standing over her, piecing back and forth. Jeffrey had
assumed that this person was Victor, because you know, he'd
seen Victor hanging around with Daisy before at the apartment complex.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
But when Jeffrey was asked.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
To look at the six photos, the photo of Victor
and the five fillers, he, like Juan, chose a photo
that was not Victor's detectives had struck out on the
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six pack. Neither of their witnesses had been able to
identify the suspect, which to them either meant that Victor
hadn't done it, or that it would be that much
harder to arrest him if he had.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
That must have.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Been frustrating, frustrating.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah, yeah, it was really frustrating.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
It was frustrating going home, like, even if we catch him,
we don't have unless he confesses, we don't have Jack.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
That's Ray Lugo.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
He works for the La County Sheriff's Department and he
was the lead detective on this case.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
At that point.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Luco told me he and his partner Leo Sanchez were
still waiting for the DNA from the crime scene to
be processed.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Here's how Sanchez put it.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
A lot of it, A lot of it depended on
the DNA evidence that was that we recovered. Because there
was a knife recovered close to her body, which we
believed was the murder weapon, and the big deal with
that was try to determine whose DNA was left on
that knife. So you know, it's this DNA testing takes
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a little bit of time. It's not it doesn't. It
doesn't happen like on the TV shows. Doesn't happen overnight, right, it.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Doesn't happen like on the TV shows. It's something I've
heard a lot from both Sanchez and Luco.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I know everybody watches TV and thinks these type of
cases are very easy.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
But if you can't prove it, it doesn't matter. They
may not have had a witness, but they did have
what they thought would be a vital piece of evidence,
surveillance footage from the crime scene.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Yes, I just heard it. Yeah, let me actually, let
me come my brother and not to wake them up.
See if you could get your guys any footage, I'll
be yeah.
Speaker 8 (15:20):
Anything.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
So remember how this neighbor said he'd call his brother
in law to get a hold of this security footage.
Well he did, and that guy ended up handing over
the video to detectives.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
So what I'm gonna do, I'll I'll look at it through.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
The cloud on the big screen, because on the phone
you really can't see anything. So I'm gonna download the
clips for you guys, and thank you, Thank you, guys.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Meet them.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
The detectives had told me that getting surveillance video like
this one it wasn't always easy, especially in places like
Compton where residents didn't always see the benefit of handing
over evidence to the police. Here's what Sanchez told me.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
You know, a lot of it is they're afraid. You know,
people are afraid to speak to law enforcement. They think
we're gonna you know, they think that they're in trouble
or a lot of them don't want to go to
court and testify.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Right.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
It's you've been in courtrooms. It's scary.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
The one gentleman that we had asked for, he was
forthcoming and said, yeah, you know, you can download it.
He didn't take it, didn't require much convincing and say listen,
I need your help.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Right, But when detectives reviewed the video, they discovered it
did not reveal much. The grainy black and white footage
had been captured from a distance. It showed the shadowy
figure of a person out by the alley where the
garbage bins were. They were dragging something in the corner
of the frame, but it wasn't enough to prove that
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it was Victor. It wasn't enough to make an arrest.
Here's Sanchez again.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Well that was dark, there were no lights out.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
There was shadow images, but it's hard to make out
a definitive.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Individual and say, hey, that's the individual.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
You know, we were trying to locate Victor, and I
think at one point we did a stretch warrant. We
wrote a starch warrant to get his cell phone data
to see if he was still.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
In, you know, see where he was at. I don't
think we got anything out of that.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
What do you mean You don't mean like, did you
actually get the warrant?
Speaker 6 (17:23):
I don't remember if we got I don't know if
we did the double check. Yeah, we did write a
stretch onrant his for somebody, let me double check, but
i'most certain it's Yeah, that was a phone number that we.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
That Daisy's mom provided us that belonged to Victor.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Okay, so did you actually were you actually tracking his
cell phone or was it not approved?
Speaker 6 (17:50):
No, the warrant was approved, but I don't remember if
he had shut the phone off or he had just
dumped in and we never found it.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
But yeah, we couldn't find him with his phone.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Detectives could not locate Victor. He was gone.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
I mean, had Victor been there that day, most definitely
he would have been interviewed, right, hey, where were you
at last night?
Speaker 5 (18:13):
What were you doing? Stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
It wouldn't it wouldn't have eliminated him as a as
a potential suspect at that point, but you know, anybody's
a suspect until they get eliminated. I think at one
point somebody ran him on a computer and got an address,
and we sent either a gang detective or a station
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individual detective to check the house out to see if
they could see if he was.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
In the area or not, and they were unable to
locate him.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Even Victor's own mother couldn't find him. The same week
that Daisy's body was found, Victor's mom filed a missing
person's report for her son.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
It was all deeply just to Susie.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
She continued to call Detective Luco every day asking for updates,
and each time she hoped to hear the words we've
got him, We've made an arrest. But the weeks continue
to slip by, and those words never came. Susie's sadness
turned to anger. Her biggest fear, she said, was that
Daisy's case wouldn't be taken seriously because she wasn't white.
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If you're white, she remembered, thinking, then you get the spotlight.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And there's plenty of.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Research to suggest that Susie's fears aren't wrong. Academic studies
have found that white homicide victims generally garner the most
news coverage, and federal data shows that these cases are
also the most.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Likely to be solved.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
To Daisy's mother and to some of Daisy's friends, it
felt like detectives had simply moved on given up. They
keep us in the dark, Susie told me. The victim's
family in the dark. It's a feeling that Wendy knows intimately.
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So in the time between Daisy's murder and when I
interviewed Wendy about three years later, something horrific had happened
to her, something that completely shattered her life, which is
that she had lost her own child to murder.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
An investigation is underway in Compton after a sixteen year
old was shot and killed. When deputies arrived, they found
the teen with a gunshot wound to the upper tours,
so he was rushed to the hospital where he later died.
A man was also found.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Wendy's son, Jeffrey, the boy who grew up with Daisy
and later identified her body, was fatally shot the day
after Christmas twenty twenty three. Wendy and I met up
four months after that. Everything was still raw and still
completely unresolved, because at that point she still had no
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idea who killed her son.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I don't have any news, if anything of any kind
from like the homicide detectives, nothing like that. I reached
out to them in the beginning. They never reached out
to me, and I don't know anything.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
The Elli County Sheriff's Department wouldn't tell me anything either.
They said they couldn't give me any information about an
ongoing investigation. Wendy felt that the sheriffs were giving her
the run around, even treating her as a suspect. When
she got to the hospital the night that Jeffrey had
been shot, she said the sheriffs were standing outside his
room and wouldn't let her inside. At some point, a
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doctor informed Wendy that her son didn't make it, but
even then, she said, the sheriffs wouldn't allow her into
the room to see his body. She wasn't even allowed
to go to her car.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I had to call.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Somebody to pick me up, and I didn't have a car.
They took my car for about three days. I'm like,
you guys are not going to find anything in my car,
and I was not the one who dropped them off.
I don't know what they were looking for because they
hold my car for evidence for evidence of what my
son's killing.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Like, really, Wendy said, she tried calling the detective assigned
to the case. She said that he told her she
wouldn't have to pay the eighty dollars to get her
car released, but the call went straight to voicemail, and
Wendy paid the bill. In the absence of information about
her son's murder, her mind just started racing, trying to
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imagine what might have happened that night.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Obviously I don't know anything. Yeah, I'm getting my own
self mailed little conclusions, trying to keep my own self
busy without me like having to reach out to the
homicide detective because they seem to not to care.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
After that, Wendy retreated. She felt alienated by the police,
abandoned by them. She was grieving, and she didn't have
the energy to keep calling the detectives to demand answers,
answers they didn't aim to have anyway.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So it's like.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
How can I say it? I think like, I feel
like Compton sheriffs are just like, oh, another death, It's okay,
Oh another death, who cares?
Speaker 8 (23:14):
You know?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I don't know, another death in Compton, who cares? What?
That was the impression Wendy got from the Sheriff's department.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Basically, that's how I took it. I took it like
a slap to the face, like Okay, no, he's dead.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Oh well, I'm going to come back to Jeffrey's story
later in this series. But when I interviewed Daisy's friends
and relatives in the months following her murder, they often
expressed some variation of that sentiment, that anger, that grief
that Wendy was now feeling. There was this feeling that
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the authorities had collectively shrugged in the face of murder.
Some of Daisy's friends did not want to be interviewed
again for this podcast. They were still trying to process
their grief to move on from it. Some had recently
become mothers. They were twenty somethings who were living their
adult lives like Daisy should have been. But one of
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Daisy's friends from high school told me something that really
stuck with me. I remembered the anger, the matter of
factness in her voice. The cops, she said, half ass everything.
In our communities, especially in Compton, they become so desensitized
to violence that they forget it's someone's daughter on the floor.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Stabbed to death. She said.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Three months after Daisy's murder, there had been no significant
updates in the case. There were no press conferences, no
news of a possible DNA match, there were no rewards
offered for information leading to an arrest, and the police
had yet to announce that there was even a suspect.
They hadn't released Victor's name or his photo to the public.
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It made one of Daisy's friends start to wonder, but
if maybe the police really did have some other intel
that she didn't know about, Like maybe the DNA at
the crime scene matched with someone who wasn't Victor. Maybe
the detectives were looking into a different suspect. But the
longer she waited, the more she became convinced that her
instincts had been.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Right all along.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
There was no way Victor hadn't done this, she remembered, thinking,
it just didn't make sense. Otherwise, there was no one
else who would have wanted to hurt Daisy. She and
her friends considered looking for Victor on their own. They
had a few ideas about where he might be hiding,
like the motel that he sometimes rented for him and Daisy,
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or somewhere in the bushes along the Elle River, because
even before he went on the run, they told me
it wasn't unusual for him to spend the night on
the streets. Daisy sometimes came with him just to keep
him company. That's just the kind of person she was,
her friends told me. Ultimately, though, Daisy's friends thought better
of their search party because what if they did find Victor,
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what were they going to do then? Or worse, what
was he going to do. That's when they began talking
about ways to spread the word.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Maybe if other.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
People knew to look out for this guy, then someone
would be able to spot him. And if detectives weren't
going to put his name and photo out, they thought,
then fine, we'll do it ourselves. They told Susie about
their plan, and she gave them her blessing. She told
them do whatever it takes to find him next time.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
On my friend Daisy, I would.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Tell other people too, like, hey, you want to meet
up and look for him?
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I'd be so down. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
That's like really scary to have someone that does something
so fucked up to someone else.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Hi, everyone, this is Paris. Thanks for listening to my
friend Daisy. If you are someone you love is experiencing abuse.
You are not alone. Help is available twenty four to seven.
Contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline for free confidential support.
Call eight hundred seven nine to nine seven two three three,
text start to eight eight seven eight eight, or visit
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the hotline dot org Your safety matters reach out today.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
My Friend Daisy is a production of London Audio with
support from Sony Music Entertainment. It's reported, written and executive
produced by me Jen Swan. I'm also your host. Our
executive producers for London Audio are Paris Hilton, Bruce gersh
Bruce Robertson and Joanna Studebaker. Our executive producer for Sony
(27:42):
Music Entertainment is Jonathan Hirsch. Our associate producer is Zoe Coulkin.
Production assistants and translations by Miguel Contreras, Sound design, composing
and mixing by Hans Dale she Our fact checker is
Fendel Fulton. Our head of production is Sammy Allison and
(28:03):
our production manager is Tamika Balance Colosny Special thanks to
Steve Akerman, Emily Rossick and Jamie Myers at Sony, Ben
Goldberg and Orley Greenberg at Uta, and Jen Ortiz at
The Cut. This episode cites two different studies. One of
them is called Whose Lives Matter, which appeared in Sociology
(28:25):
of Race and Ethnicity. It was published by sociologists at
University of Chicago and Stanford University, and it was previously
reported on by the Marshall Project.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
You can go read more about that on their website.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
And the federal clearance rate data that I mentioned, which
breaks down homicide clearance rates by race, was based on
a CBS News analysis of the FBI's data. You can
read more about it on CBS News's website. Thanks so
much for listening
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Paris Hilton
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