April 23, 2025 • 29 mins
Once the social media posts go viral, the detectives on the case start feeling the pressure to solve it. They get calls from TikTok tipsters at all hours of the day and night reporting sightings of the suspect all over California and the Western United States. After continuously striking out, the detectives decide to take a cue from Daisy’s community: They post their own fliers on social media, too.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Everything that's very closed up, like they definitely don't want
people just ducking in. I think I need to even go. Hey,
my name is Jennifer.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I have an appointment with Ray Lugo.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Okay, how's it going. It was a weekday, afternoon, and
I was at the Homicide Bureau of the La County
Sheriff's Department. It's this institutional looking building in a suburban
office park just east of LA We.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Have some podcasters. I'm just giving him a little tour.
I want to show him some pictures.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Okay, that's Detective Ray Lugo. He's got broad shoulders and
a bald head. He used to be a high school
football coach, and he still kind of got that coach vibe.
Like he likes to remind me that he was the
lead detective on Daisy's case. He says he always had
a plan for it. He walks me around the office
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and pointed to newspaper clippings and photographs on the wall.
And because this is Los Angeles, there were also movie
posters the movie.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
With Angelina Jolie, The Change Changeling. Yeah, you know in
the movie it's tell lapd and stuff. But that was
a sheriff's case and stuff. Okay, but in movies they
was put LAPD. But that was and we didn't know
that the story told us. Then we had pictures of
it and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And do you feel like you get slighted? LAPD gets
all the.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Test anyway, show We don't feel that one, all.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Right, So if you didn't catch that, Luca was saying
that the changeling was based on a Sheriff's department's case,
but that the movie made it all about the LAPD.
When I asked if that bothered him, that the LPD
always gets the Hollywood treatment, he said, no, I mean
it sounds like what he said was their junior varsity
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to us. Again, he's a former football coach. And by
the way, the LPD and the l Sheriff's Department have
separate jurisdictions. The former patrols the city of la whereas
the latter serves the county's unincorporated areas and more than
forty of its other cities, So everywhere from Palmdale to
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Malibu to Compton, it is a massive area. Luco showed
me a break room. It looked kind of like a
high school cafeteria, right down to the mascot that was
painted on the back wall. It was this cartoon bulldog
wearing a fedora, and it had a little piece of
paper in the fedora and on that piece of paper
were the numbers one eight seven California penal code for homicide.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm noticing this bulldog everywhere.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
The La Times called this the bulldogs.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Lugo pointed me to a newspaper clipping mounted on a wall.
It was from nineteen seventy seven. The headline is Sheriff's
bulldogs hang in where LAPD doesn't. Oh so they're like
pitting you against LAPD.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't know there was like this rivalry.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
No, not really.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
We don't consider them right. They can't hang with it.
They can't.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So what does it mean to be a bulldog?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
The reason why they in the article, the reason why
they said that was because we never give up.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
And that's how they teach us that here, that.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Although even when we don't have any evidence, we just
never give up.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
We find a way, a legal way.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
They try to find the suspects and convict them.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, that's actually what I was here to talk with
Lugo about, Like what exactly was he doing? Bill Daisy's
friends and family were putting Victor on blast, desperately looking
to get attention on the case. Where was that bulldog
spirit when it came to finding a murder suspect? I'm
Jen Swan from London Audio iHeart Radio and executive producer
(04:13):
Paris Hilton This is My Friend Daisy Episode six, Armed
and Dangerous. In June of twenty twenty one, Lugo's cell
phone had been blowing up. Susie had been calling him
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just about every day to ask about her daughter's case.
Daisy's friends and relatives were calling him too, But those
weren't the only people calling about Daisy's murder.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
They put out something on social media and they put
out my number, my cell number, So I was getting
calls from all over.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
UGO's cell phone number, he discovered, had been plastered all
over the internet. Unbeknownst to him, it was on the
tiktoks and the Instagram and Facebook posts that Daisy's friends
and family had made, the posts that had since gone viral.
Now Lugo was getting calls at all hours of the day,
all from people who said they'd seen a murder suspect.
(05:16):
A twenty something guy with dark hair. Just think to
ybrows and stretched ear lobes.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I got calls from the University of Texas, University at Arizona,
many many calls here in Los Angeles, University of California
at Santa Barbara, University of San Diego, State University, University
of San Diego students because people in college where those
he had the ear plugs, and the ear plugs were
(05:44):
extremely big and not very many people have the big
holes in their ears. Is that the gauges, is that
what it's called.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I had a feeling that the reason why college students
were calling didn't actually have much to do with gaged years.
It had to do with our age group and the
media they were consuming. I wonder if those were also
people that were seeing the TikTok and the instagram that
were put out here.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, yes, yes, yes they did.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
They did tell us that that's how they got my numbers.
So I'd get calls in the middle of the night
all the time, so I would send the local agency,
and you know, that's part of our job, that's.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
What we do.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Lugo said things like that a lot, things like that's
part of our job, that's what we do. I'd come
here to interview him to find out what he and
his partner had been doing all that time when daisies
loved ones were desperately looking for answers, and he'd come
to this interview ready to defend his investigation.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Most people thought, oh, this was an easy case. But
we didn't have any witnesses.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
The video was not very good at all.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Lugo had a stack of the nixed cards in front
of him, notes and talking points that he referred to
every so often. We were sitting in a boardroom where
on the back wall an American flag was printed on
this big framed piece of wood. It had a thin
blue line running through the middle, and in the left
hand corner among the stars was that cartoon bulldog in
a fedora, and Lugo was in bulldog mode. He wasn't
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giving up explaining how difficult the investigation was.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Didn't happen that quick unless you know a husband kills
his wife and you know he's there, and those are easy.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Anybody could do those right.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
You guys could do those right. Those a domestic But
this wasn't as easy as people thought. And I know
at times families get frustrated with us, but we can't
go play by play with them on all.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
The information we have, and they just have to trust us.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I think from Susie's point of view, you know she
had it. I think she told you this from the
beginning too. She had this fear this case wouldn't be
taken seriously because she's Mexican, or because she was in
Compton and it's like going to Compton, it could be
a body dump, it could be an unknown victim. And
so I think she always had this defensiveness.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Like I have to fight yeah, yeah, no, But she
has to remember too that we're Mexican too. And I
grew up in East LA and in the worst neighborhood
at third and we understand and we're not going to
let anybody get away with murder, right, We don't do that.
We have a conscience, we have a family. I've been
(08:33):
doing this for I'm in my forty third year, twenty
eight at homicide.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And can I ask, like, how how you decided to
join the shrift, Like what was there something that happened
in your life.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
That Yeah, I was born and raised in Los Angeles
in the early seventies, we had the East LA riots.
I lived half a block away from warr Boulevard from
where it was all happening, and I remember seeing my
parents went to a wedding, so it was me, my
brothers and sisters. There was four of us and we
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were in the house by ourselves when the riots broke
out and people were running down the street with tires
and stolen lawnmowers. But everything was on fire, and I
noticed the Sheriff's department We're coming in, and I was impressed.
(09:27):
My older brother, he was two years older. He was
an LPD officer, and I was a couple of years
behind him, and I didn't want to follow my brother,
be that guy, be the little brother.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It occurred to me that maybe this was the source
of Lugo's competition with the LAPD. It's not an agency rivalry,
it's a sibling rivalry. Lugo said he wanted to work
his own neighborhood, which was under the sheriff's jurisdiction, and
try to solve problems from within. He put in time
as a patrol officer and then worked his way up
(10:03):
to a night detective. He says he ended up solving
a lot of murders in part because he just knew
a lot of people in the neighborhood, and they trusted him.
Eventually he found his way to the homicide bureau in
the mid nineties, and the only way he's been able
to keep doing it is by compartmentalizing. He didn't use
that word, but that's essentially what he described.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I tried to.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Not really let the rest of my family know about
what's going on with the job and the whole bit, right,
no one to talk to. I don't talk about that, right.
I think that's why I've been able to survive that
this long. But I'm always thinking about it when I'm
about myself, driving to work, figuring out a plan, when
(10:52):
I'm jogging on the treadmill.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
That's when we do.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
That's when I think about how we can approach this case,
how can we trick them if we're tricking somebody. And
most of the time it works out.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
But Daisy's case, it didn't just come together when he
was driving to work or jogging on the treadmill. He
did at least have a suspect, but the suspect had vanished,
his whereabouts unknown, which was sometimes true even before he disappeared.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Sometimes he wouldn't come home.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Sometimes he stayed out in the streets.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
They didn't know where he stayed at.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
He was really got into skating and he was pretty good.
So we had surveillance teams at every skate park in
southern California, okay state, just about every skate park from
the Lincoln Heights or his favorite skate parks from Lincoln
Heights all the way to Long Beach. So in Lincoln
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Park we knew he went there. We had a surveillance
team for weeks at that location. And he traveled through
the Metro Line, the metro rail, so we try to follow.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
That. We had surveillance teams, but with no luck.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
The Metro line the place where Valerie Ariano and so
many others reported seeing a skateboarder who looked like Victor.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I know the family thought, oh, just go arrest the boyfriend, right,
so all with the boyfriend, but we can't be wrong.
We have to be right, one hundred percent right, And
we had to wait till the lab results came back,
and we we got the codis.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Hit cotis the Combined DNA Index System. It's this big
federal database maintained by the FBI, and it combines data
from law enforcement agencies all over the country and the
coda's head. That's a bingo. It's when the DNA collected
from a crime scene brings up a match or someone
who's been arrested before, which is exactly what happened. When
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the blood around Daisy's body was processed, it matched with
a suspect. There are stories from all over the country
about social media users accusing the wrong person of a crime.
(13:26):
It even happened in Compton, the city where Daisy lived
about eight months before her friends took to social media
to find her killer.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Thirty three year old Compton resident Darnell Hicks, a father
to two girls and a youth football coach, feared for
his safety and his families after being wrongfully accused on
social media of ambushing two LA County Sheriff's deputies said
he saw be on the lookout post with his face
on it. He and his attorneys say they have no
idea who started these accusations.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
There are stories of sleuths misidentifying someone as a victim
or filming them without their consent because you know, they
thought they were a missing person.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
As soon as vill come across my Facebook story and
I keep.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Wondering who's this girl.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Where is she?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Why does she look so lost?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
There are stories about the way good intentions can become
misguided search parties, like this one that Sarah Turney reported on.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Of course, a viral video went around of this girl
and people were really nervous for her. At first they
thought it was Cassie Compton, but it has been confirmed
to not be Cassie.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But this is not one of those stories, because when
DNA evidence from the crime scene was processed, it showed
that the person Daisy's friends and family had been adamant about,
the person they'd been calling detectives about and making videos
about and circulating photos of it was the same person
whose DNA was found at the crime scene.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Some of the blood that they found with Victor sosis blood, luckily, and.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
There was a lot of blood.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
And in these stabbings, you know, when people start stabbing
someone and blood and starts getting slippery, so the hand
slips usually and uh, usually the suspects gets cut, and
that's what happened in this regard. So fortunately for us,
Victor had been arrested years before for some sort of
(15:23):
assault and uh, they took his DNA then, so he
was in the system.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
The code of system.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Interesting and do you know what that assault.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Was regarding I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Okay it was you don't know whether it was related
to Daisy.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
I know they had had an incident before.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
There was an incident where.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Uh, the grandfather had told us that months before he
struck her with the skateboard in the head, and that's
why the there was a break up for a time.
And uh, when the investigator finally spoke to Daisy, she
refused to cooperate with the investigation and she refused to prosecute.
(16:08):
We did talk to an investigator on that case, and
she signed a waiver dropping the case.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yes, okay, were there ever any records of him having
a history with domestic abuse besides this one assault her?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
No, No, he didn't have much of a record at all.
He was kind of a loner and tysocial, kind of awkward.
He was really weird.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Weird.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
It's a word that Lugo used to describe Victor at
least six different times during our ninety minute interview.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
He couldn't keep a job. It's too weird to keep
it just so awkward and almost weird. Victor's so awkward
and so weird. He's just a weird kid.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But Victor wasn't a kid. He was twenty five when
he murdered Daisy when he fled. When more than three
months later, Daisy's friends and family began posting about it online,
and when a little more than a month after that,
the La County Sheriff's Department decided to co opt their strategy,
they turned to social media too.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
This man, twenty five year old Victor Hugo Sosa, should
be considered armed and dangerous. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's
Department says he's wanted for the murder of his girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
The local news began broadcasting Victor's name and photo after
the Sheriff's posted a flyer about him on their Facebook page,
Wanted for murder. The graphics said in all caps across
the top of the flyer. In the center was a
DMV photo of Victor. It had been taken about four
years earlier, actually around the time that he met Daisy.
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In it, he had shaggy hair that fell to the
base of his neck and clear gauges in his ears.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
Sosa is described as around five feet six inches tall
and one hundred ins already pounds. He's known to use
his skateboard in public transportation to get around.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
The local CBS news station wasn't the only media outlet
to pick up the sheriff's announcement. The La Times ran
a story, and this time it included Daisy's name and
details about her life. Her mom was quoted in the
article talking about how she dreamed of opening a salon someday,
and Lugo was quoted in it too. He said that
he believed Victor had fled to Mexico but had since
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returned to the LA area, and that he'd recently been
seen in homeless encampments all over town. These sightings, they
were the result of all the calls that Lugo had
been getting, calls from people who had seen the tiktoks
and the instagrams.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I know those kids met well, and I always thanked
them for calling, and I would tell.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Him, hopefully you'll see it on the news. And we
had our plan.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
We had the surveillance teams out there still looking. I
know people think that these cases are easy and we
arrest them and it would be easy to prosecute, but
if you don't have any evidence, and we at the
time we didn't have any evidence other than the blood, and.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It took a while for us to get that the
Cotas hit.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I believe we got the Codas hit on March thirteenth
or fourteenth.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Hang on.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
The Codas hit came back in the middle of March,
just three weeks after Daisy's murder. I thought about all
the weeks that passed after that, weeks when her friends
and family were on pins and needles waiting for updates.
I thought about day Zy's neighbors watching their backs around
the apartment complex, wondering who the killer was, not knowing
he had any relation to his victim. It was impossible
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not to wonder what might have happened if the detectives
had put out Victor's name and photo after they first
got this Coda's hit. What exactly was gained by waiting
an additional three months to warn the public, and what lost?
And I sat there in the conference room, dumbfounded. I
had been working on the story for three years at
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that point, in some form or another, and this piece
of information about the date of the Coda's hit, it
had totally eluded me up until then. I must have
had this blank stare on my face when I heard it,
because Lugo suddenly seemed self conscious. There was this awkward silence,
and then he said, oh.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
You still want to talk about the investigation.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I just yeah when you say that, I know you've
explained this to me before, but when you see the
codas that you're saying that you were able to sample
the DNA from the scene and match it with the
DNA from.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
His previous arrest. Yes, right, yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
But then the public didn't know to look for Victor
until I think June.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
At the end of June, you.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Put up up right, right right, we had surveillance teams
looking for him.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Okay, and so walk me through, like, how do you
make the decision about when to when to tell the public?
You know, Okay, we're looking for this guy. Here's what
he looks like. If the KOTAS hit was in March,
tell me about like April May, June.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, I went.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
So, we were working with the family and we believed
that he was out of the country, and the family
they had had a little contact with him via telephone
and they had met him. We don't want to say
who that was, but they actually went down to Mexico
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to meet up with him and and then contacted me,
and then we set up a little plan to get him,
and we tried it two times weeks apart, you know,
three four weeks apart, so we wouldn't scare him and
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scare them off. And both times we were unsuccessful, and
was at that point where we decided to go public
once we kind of thought that we were going get
a little help from social media.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I spoke to Lugo and his partner Sanchez multiple times
to try to clarify this timeline, to try to understand
their reasoning for not putting out this information sooner. They
maintained that they were working with Victor's family to try
to chock him down. They didn't want to put out
the information about him to the public because they didn't
want to scare him off. They were afraid that he'd
find out people were looking for him, and he'd flee
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even further south.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
And then he leads to a country that we don't
have a treaty with and we'll never get him back.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Never mind that by the time the detectives posted their
flyer on Facebook, Victor's face had already been plastered across
TikTok and Instagram for weeks, which is probably why when
people saw this flyer on Facebook, they wrote comments like
this is old news. Another comment read, I can't believe
you guys are just now posting this when it happened
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in February. There was this one comment that really seemed
to sum up the anger of some people in the community.
It read, everyone's been telling the police department where he
is and they don't care. I'm ready to go out
and catch him myself. This comment it had been posted
by Valerie Pinato. Underneath that comment, she'd written the one
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about wanting to hunt Victor down. We need rope in
a back because he won't go down without a fight.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
She'd written that comment on the La County Sheriff's Department's
Facebook page. When I talked to her about these comments,
she did not back down from them. She said, she
meant every word was some of your anger on the
fact that it had been four months and Victor still
hadn't been arrested. Like the comment that you wrote was
something like they don't take this seriously.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Yeah, pretty much. I already knew. It's like it's like
another another day for them, another day for the cops
like it like it seemed it feel like for me,
it seemed like it didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know, that Daisy's deft didn't matter pretty much.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yeah, I just saw that they didn't really care, and
I wanted to say that. I wanted to bring that awareness,
you know, like put some pressure for them to take
it serious.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And because it's Compton too, yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
They just like, oh, it's just another day in Common.
So I'm like, like, I'm gonna make sure that she
gets her justice.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So you might be wondering what kind of beef does
Valerie have with the cops. And it may not shock
you to learn this, but she too, like so many
others I spoke with in the Easy's community, had had
an unnerving encounter with law enforcement. Here's how she put it.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Like, one time I got I got like racially profiled.
It was bad, like over my tail light in one
of my cars. This was like years ago, but I
I had like my hands on the wheel. They pulled
me over in front of my cousin's car. And yeah,
at that time, I got a little bit more tanned.
So I was like kind of scared, and everyone outside
of the houses came to like just watch so that
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they wouldn't do anything, because that's how.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Scared, you know. The neighbors were.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
And I was like, look, I'll leave my car here.
I won't drive it, you know, I'll get my cousin
to fix it. And they wanted to tow my car.
I was like, for what over a tail light?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah? That was really scary too.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
And I kind of saw the cop put his hand
on his gun and I was like.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Oh my god. I was like please, And I kept
telling me.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Gallery, who's not scared of anything, including suspected murderers, was
scared of being pulled over by the police, and yet
when a murder happened in her own community, she wondered
where were the police, what had they been doing? And
so she decided she wasn't going to let this go.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's w I how to keep her assy. I had
to keep talking shit on all these pages.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
I was like, we're gonna get the guy.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Whether the cops don't do anything.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You're like, I gotta talk shit for justice, You're gonna
do it.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's that's when.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah, pretty much, that's when I ended up talking to
Daisy's mom too at some point.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, I did on Facebook.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Yeah, I did, and on it. I think Instagram too.
I think it was Instagram too.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Do you remember what you guys talked about? Oh yeah,
I remember in the post before she reached out to me.
Did she reached out to you?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah? She did.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Why I just kept telling her in the post, I'm
praying every day we're gonna get this guy.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I told her, I'm.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Praying, and I know God is gonna come through. I
will tell her that God's gonna come through. I promise you.
I made that promise to her. I was like, I
promise you, we're gonna get this guy.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Valerie would turn out to be right, but not in
the way that anyone expected. Next time, on my friend Daisy, I.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Get a phone call from our office. I want to
transfer a phone call to me some commandante from some
police in Mexico. And did it occurred to me?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I didn't.
Speaker 9 (27:15):
I said, okay, just transfer them.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I didn't know. I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
I wasn't sure what he was calling about. And he says, hey,
are you looking for Victor Sosa? Yeah, says I have him.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
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Everything that's very closed up, like they definitely don't want
people just ducking in. I think I need to even go. Hey,
my name is Jennifer.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I have an appointment with Ray Lugo.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Okay, how's it going. It was a weekday, afternoon, and
I was at the Homicide Bureau of the La County
Sheriff's Department. It's this institutional looking building in a suburban
office park just east of LA We.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Have some podcasters. I'm just giving him a little tour.
I want to show him some pictures.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Okay, that's Detective Ray Lugo. He's got broad shoulders and
a bald head. He used to be a high school
football coach, and he still kind of got that coach vibe.
Like he likes to remind me that he was the
lead detective on Daisy's case. He says he always had
a plan for it. He walks me around the office
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and pointed to newspaper clippings and photographs on the wall.
And because this is Los Angeles, there were also movie
posters the movie.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
With Angelina Jolie, The Change Changeling. Yeah, you know in
the movie it's tell lapd and stuff. But that was
a sheriff's case and stuff. Okay, but in movies they
was put LAPD. But that was and we didn't know
that the story told us. Then we had pictures of
it and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And do you feel like you get slighted? LAPD gets
all the.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Test anyway, show We don't feel that one, all.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Right, So if you didn't catch that, Luca was saying
that the changeling was based on a Sheriff's department's case,
but that the movie made it all about the LAPD.
When I asked if that bothered him, that the LPD
always gets the Hollywood treatment, he said, no, I mean
it sounds like what he said was their junior varsity
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to us. Again, he's a former football coach. And by
the way, the LPD and the l Sheriff's Department have
separate jurisdictions. The former patrols the city of la whereas
the latter serves the county's unincorporated areas and more than
forty of its other cities, So everywhere from Palmdale to
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Malibu to Compton, it is a massive area. Luco showed
me a break room. It looked kind of like a
high school cafeteria, right down to the mascot that was
painted on the back wall. It was this cartoon bulldog
wearing a fedora, and it had a little piece of
paper in the fedora and on that piece of paper
were the numbers one eight seven California penal code for homicide.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm noticing this bulldog everywhere.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
The La Times called this the bulldogs.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Lugo pointed me to a newspaper clipping mounted on a wall.
It was from nineteen seventy seven. The headline is Sheriff's
bulldogs hang in where LAPD doesn't. Oh so they're like
pitting you against LAPD.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't know there was like this rivalry.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
No, not really.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
We don't consider them right. They can't hang with it.
They can't.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So what does it mean to be a bulldog?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
The reason why they in the article, the reason why
they said that was because we never give up.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
And that's how they teach us that here, that.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Although even when we don't have any evidence, we just
never give up.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
We find a way, a legal way.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
They try to find the suspects and convict them.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, that's actually what I was here to talk with
Lugo about, Like what exactly was he doing? Bill Daisy's
friends and family were putting Victor on blast, desperately looking
to get attention on the case. Where was that bulldog
spirit when it came to finding a murder suspect? I'm
Jen Swan from London Audio iHeart Radio and executive producer
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Paris Hilton This is My Friend Daisy Episode six, Armed
and Dangerous. In June of twenty twenty one, Lugo's cell
phone had been blowing up. Susie had been calling him
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just about every day to ask about her daughter's case.
Daisy's friends and relatives were calling him too, But those
weren't the only people calling about Daisy's murder.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
They put out something on social media and they put
out my number, my cell number, So I was getting
calls from all over.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
UGO's cell phone number, he discovered, had been plastered all
over the internet. Unbeknownst to him, it was on the
tiktoks and the Instagram and Facebook posts that Daisy's friends
and family had made, the posts that had since gone viral.
Now Lugo was getting calls at all hours of the day,
all from people who said they'd seen a murder suspect.
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A twenty something guy with dark hair. Just think to
ybrows and stretched ear lobes.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I got calls from the University of Texas, University at Arizona,
many many calls here in Los Angeles, University of California
at Santa Barbara, University of San Diego, State University, University
of San Diego students because people in college where those
he had the ear plugs, and the ear plugs were
(05:44):
extremely big and not very many people have the big
holes in their ears. Is that the gauges, is that
what it's called.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I had a feeling that the reason why college students
were calling didn't actually have much to do with gaged years.
It had to do with our age group and the
media they were consuming. I wonder if those were also
people that were seeing the TikTok and the instagram that
were put out here.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, yes, yes, yes they did.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
They did tell us that that's how they got my numbers.
So I'd get calls in the middle of the night
all the time, so I would send the local agency,
and you know, that's part of our job, that's.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
What we do.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Lugo said things like that a lot, things like that's
part of our job, that's what we do. I'd come
here to interview him to find out what he and
his partner had been doing all that time when daisies
loved ones were desperately looking for answers, and he'd come
to this interview ready to defend his investigation.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Most people thought, oh, this was an easy case. But
we didn't have any witnesses.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
The video was not very good at all.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Lugo had a stack of the nixed cards in front
of him, notes and talking points that he referred to
every so often. We were sitting in a boardroom where
on the back wall an American flag was printed on
this big framed piece of wood. It had a thin
blue line running through the middle, and in the left
hand corner among the stars was that cartoon bulldog in
a fedora, and Lugo was in bulldog mode. He wasn't
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giving up explaining how difficult the investigation was.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Didn't happen that quick unless you know a husband kills
his wife and you know he's there, and those are easy.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Anybody could do those right.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
You guys could do those right. Those a domestic But
this wasn't as easy as people thought. And I know
at times families get frustrated with us, but we can't
go play by play with them on all.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
The information we have, and they just have to trust us.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I think from Susie's point of view, you know she
had it. I think she told you this from the
beginning too. She had this fear this case wouldn't be
taken seriously because she's Mexican, or because she was in
Compton and it's like going to Compton, it could be
a body dump, it could be an unknown victim. And
so I think she always had this defensiveness.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Like I have to fight yeah, yeah, no, But she
has to remember too that we're Mexican too. And I
grew up in East LA and in the worst neighborhood
at third and we understand and we're not going to
let anybody get away with murder, right, We don't do that.
We have a conscience, we have a family. I've been
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doing this for I'm in my forty third year, twenty
eight at homicide.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And can I ask, like, how how you decided to
join the shrift, Like what was there something that happened
in your life.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
That Yeah, I was born and raised in Los Angeles
in the early seventies, we had the East LA riots.
I lived half a block away from warr Boulevard from
where it was all happening, and I remember seeing my
parents went to a wedding, so it was me, my
brothers and sisters. There was four of us and we
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were in the house by ourselves when the riots broke
out and people were running down the street with tires
and stolen lawnmowers. But everything was on fire, and I
noticed the Sheriff's department We're coming in, and I was impressed.
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My older brother, he was two years older. He was
an LPD officer, and I was a couple of years
behind him, and I didn't want to follow my brother,
be that guy, be the little brother.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It occurred to me that maybe this was the source
of Lugo's competition with the LAPD. It's not an agency rivalry,
it's a sibling rivalry. Lugo said he wanted to work
his own neighborhood, which was under the sheriff's jurisdiction, and
try to solve problems from within. He put in time
as a patrol officer and then worked his way up
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to a night detective. He says he ended up solving
a lot of murders in part because he just knew
a lot of people in the neighborhood, and they trusted him.
Eventually he found his way to the homicide bureau in
the mid nineties, and the only way he's been able
to keep doing it is by compartmentalizing. He didn't use
that word, but that's essentially what he described.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I tried to.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Not really let the rest of my family know about
what's going on with the job and the whole bit, right,
no one to talk to. I don't talk about that, right.
I think that's why I've been able to survive that
this long. But I'm always thinking about it when I'm
about myself, driving to work, figuring out a plan, when
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I'm jogging on the treadmill.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
That's when we do.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
That's when I think about how we can approach this case,
how can we trick them if we're tricking somebody. And
most of the time it works out.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
But Daisy's case, it didn't just come together when he
was driving to work or jogging on the treadmill. He
did at least have a suspect, but the suspect had vanished,
his whereabouts unknown, which was sometimes true even before he disappeared.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Sometimes he wouldn't come home.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Sometimes he stayed out in the streets.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
They didn't know where he stayed at.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
He was really got into skating and he was pretty good.
So we had surveillance teams at every skate park in
southern California, okay state, just about every skate park from
the Lincoln Heights or his favorite skate parks from Lincoln
Heights all the way to Long Beach. So in Lincoln
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Park we knew he went there. We had a surveillance
team for weeks at that location. And he traveled through
the Metro Line, the metro rail, so we try to follow.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
That. We had surveillance teams, but with no luck.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
The Metro line the place where Valerie Ariano and so
many others reported seeing a skateboarder who looked like Victor.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I know the family thought, oh, just go arrest the boyfriend, right,
so all with the boyfriend, but we can't be wrong.
We have to be right, one hundred percent right, And
we had to wait till the lab results came back,
and we we got the codis.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Hit cotis the Combined DNA Index System. It's this big
federal database maintained by the FBI, and it combines data
from law enforcement agencies all over the country and the
coda's head. That's a bingo. It's when the DNA collected
from a crime scene brings up a match or someone
who's been arrested before, which is exactly what happened. When
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the blood around Daisy's body was processed, it matched with
a suspect. There are stories from all over the country
about social media users accusing the wrong person of a crime.
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It even happened in Compton, the city where Daisy lived
about eight months before her friends took to social media
to find her killer.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Thirty three year old Compton resident Darnell Hicks, a father
to two girls and a youth football coach, feared for
his safety and his families after being wrongfully accused on
social media of ambushing two LA County Sheriff's deputies said
he saw be on the lookout post with his face
on it. He and his attorneys say they have no
idea who started these accusations.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
There are stories of sleuths misidentifying someone as a victim
or filming them without their consent because you know, they
thought they were a missing person.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
As soon as vill come across my Facebook story and
I keep.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Wondering who's this girl.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Where is she?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Why does she look so lost?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
There are stories about the way good intentions can become
misguided search parties, like this one that Sarah Turney reported on.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Of course, a viral video went around of this girl
and people were really nervous for her. At first they
thought it was Cassie Compton, but it has been confirmed
to not be Cassie.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But this is not one of those stories, because when
DNA evidence from the crime scene was processed, it showed
that the person Daisy's friends and family had been adamant about,
the person they'd been calling detectives about and making videos
about and circulating photos of it was the same person
whose DNA was found at the crime scene.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Some of the blood that they found with Victor sosis blood, luckily, and.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
There was a lot of blood.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
And in these stabbings, you know, when people start stabbing
someone and blood and starts getting slippery, so the hand
slips usually and uh, usually the suspects gets cut, and
that's what happened in this regard. So fortunately for us,
Victor had been arrested years before for some sort of
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assault and uh, they took his DNA then, so he
was in the system.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
The code of system.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Interesting and do you know what that assault.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Was regarding I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Okay it was you don't know whether it was related
to Daisy.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
I know they had had an incident before.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
There was an incident where.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Uh, the grandfather had told us that months before he
struck her with the skateboard in the head, and that's
why the there was a break up for a time.
And uh, when the investigator finally spoke to Daisy, she
refused to cooperate with the investigation and she refused to prosecute.
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We did talk to an investigator on that case, and
she signed a waiver dropping the case.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yes, okay, were there ever any records of him having
a history with domestic abuse besides this one assault her?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
No, No, he didn't have much of a record at all.
He was kind of a loner and tysocial, kind of awkward.
He was really weird.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Weird.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
It's a word that Lugo used to describe Victor at
least six different times during our ninety minute interview.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
He couldn't keep a job. It's too weird to keep
it just so awkward and almost weird. Victor's so awkward
and so weird. He's just a weird kid.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But Victor wasn't a kid. He was twenty five when
he murdered Daisy when he fled. When more than three
months later, Daisy's friends and family began posting about it online,
and when a little more than a month after that,
the La County Sheriff's Department decided to co opt their strategy,
they turned to social media too.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
This man, twenty five year old Victor Hugo Sosa, should
be considered armed and dangerous. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's
Department says he's wanted for the murder of his girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
The local news began broadcasting Victor's name and photo after
the Sheriff's posted a flyer about him on their Facebook page,
Wanted for murder. The graphics said in all caps across
the top of the flyer. In the center was a
DMV photo of Victor. It had been taken about four
years earlier, actually around the time that he met Daisy.
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In it, he had shaggy hair that fell to the
base of his neck and clear gauges in his ears.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
Sosa is described as around five feet six inches tall
and one hundred ins already pounds. He's known to use
his skateboard in public transportation to get around.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
The local CBS news station wasn't the only media outlet
to pick up the sheriff's announcement. The La Times ran
a story, and this time it included Daisy's name and
details about her life. Her mom was quoted in the
article talking about how she dreamed of opening a salon someday,
and Lugo was quoted in it too. He said that
he believed Victor had fled to Mexico but had since
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returned to the LA area, and that he'd recently been
seen in homeless encampments all over town. These sightings, they
were the result of all the calls that Lugo had
been getting, calls from people who had seen the tiktoks
and the instagrams.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I know those kids met well, and I always thanked
them for calling, and I would tell.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Him, hopefully you'll see it on the news. And we
had our plan.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
We had the surveillance teams out there still looking. I
know people think that these cases are easy and we
arrest them and it would be easy to prosecute, but
if you don't have any evidence, and we at the
time we didn't have any evidence other than the blood, and.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It took a while for us to get that the
Cotas hit.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I believe we got the Codas hit on March thirteenth
or fourteenth.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Hang on.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
The Codas hit came back in the middle of March,
just three weeks after Daisy's murder. I thought about all
the weeks that passed after that, weeks when her friends
and family were on pins and needles waiting for updates.
I thought about day Zy's neighbors watching their backs around
the apartment complex, wondering who the killer was, not knowing
he had any relation to his victim. It was impossible
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not to wonder what might have happened if the detectives
had put out Victor's name and photo after they first
got this Coda's hit. What exactly was gained by waiting
an additional three months to warn the public, and what lost?
And I sat there in the conference room, dumbfounded. I
had been working on the story for three years at
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that point, in some form or another, and this piece
of information about the date of the Coda's hit, it
had totally eluded me up until then. I must have
had this blank stare on my face when I heard it,
because Lugo suddenly seemed self conscious. There was this awkward silence,
and then he said, oh.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
You still want to talk about the investigation.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I just yeah when you say that, I know you've
explained this to me before, but when you see the
codas that you're saying that you were able to sample
the DNA from the scene and match it with the
DNA from.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
His previous arrest. Yes, right, yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
But then the public didn't know to look for Victor
until I think June.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
At the end of June, you.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Put up up right, right right, we had surveillance teams
looking for him.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Okay, and so walk me through, like, how do you
make the decision about when to when to tell the public?
You know, Okay, we're looking for this guy. Here's what
he looks like. If the KOTAS hit was in March,
tell me about like April May, June.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, I went.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
So, we were working with the family and we believed
that he was out of the country, and the family
they had had a little contact with him via telephone
and they had met him. We don't want to say
who that was, but they actually went down to Mexico
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to meet up with him and and then contacted me,
and then we set up a little plan to get him,
and we tried it two times weeks apart, you know,
three four weeks apart, so we wouldn't scare him and
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scare them off. And both times we were unsuccessful, and
was at that point where we decided to go public
once we kind of thought that we were going get
a little help from social media.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I spoke to Lugo and his partner Sanchez multiple times
to try to clarify this timeline, to try to understand
their reasoning for not putting out this information sooner. They
maintained that they were working with Victor's family to try
to chock him down. They didn't want to put out
the information about him to the public because they didn't
want to scare him off. They were afraid that he'd
find out people were looking for him, and he'd flee
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even further south.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
And then he leads to a country that we don't
have a treaty with and we'll never get him back.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Never mind that by the time the detectives posted their
flyer on Facebook, Victor's face had already been plastered across
TikTok and Instagram for weeks, which is probably why when
people saw this flyer on Facebook, they wrote comments like
this is old news. Another comment read, I can't believe
you guys are just now posting this when it happened
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in February. There was this one comment that really seemed
to sum up the anger of some people in the community.
It read, everyone's been telling the police department where he
is and they don't care. I'm ready to go out
and catch him myself. This comment it had been posted
by Valerie Pinato. Underneath that comment, she'd written the one
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about wanting to hunt Victor down. We need rope in
a back because he won't go down without a fight.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
She'd written that comment on the La County Sheriff's Department's
Facebook page. When I talked to her about these comments,
she did not back down from them. She said, she
meant every word was some of your anger on the
fact that it had been four months and Victor still
hadn't been arrested. Like the comment that you wrote was
something like they don't take this seriously.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Yeah, pretty much. I already knew. It's like it's like
another another day for them, another day for the cops
like it like it seemed it feel like for me,
it seemed like it didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know, that Daisy's deft didn't matter pretty much.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yeah, I just saw that they didn't really care, and
I wanted to say that. I wanted to bring that awareness,
you know, like put some pressure for them to take
it serious.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And because it's Compton too, yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
They just like, oh, it's just another day in Common.
So I'm like, like, I'm gonna make sure that she
gets her justice.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So you might be wondering what kind of beef does
Valerie have with the cops. And it may not shock
you to learn this, but she too, like so many
others I spoke with in the Easy's community, had had
an unnerving encounter with law enforcement. Here's how she put it.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Like, one time I got I got like racially profiled.
It was bad, like over my tail light in one
of my cars. This was like years ago, but I
I had like my hands on the wheel. They pulled
me over in front of my cousin's car. And yeah,
at that time, I got a little bit more tanned.
So I was like kind of scared, and everyone outside
of the houses came to like just watch so that
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they wouldn't do anything, because that's how.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Scared, you know. The neighbors were.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
And I was like, look, I'll leave my car here.
I won't drive it, you know, I'll get my cousin
to fix it. And they wanted to tow my car.
I was like, for what over a tail light?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah? That was really scary too.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
And I kind of saw the cop put his hand
on his gun and I was like.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Oh my god. I was like please, And I kept
telling me.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Gallery, who's not scared of anything, including suspected murderers, was
scared of being pulled over by the police, and yet
when a murder happened in her own community, she wondered
where were the police, what had they been doing? And
so she decided she wasn't going to let this go.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's w I how to keep her assy. I had
to keep talking shit on all these pages.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
I was like, we're gonna get the guy.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Whether the cops don't do anything.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You're like, I gotta talk shit for justice, You're gonna
do it.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's that's when.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah, pretty much, that's when I ended up talking to
Daisy's mom too at some point.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, I did on Facebook.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Yeah, I did, and on it. I think Instagram too.
I think it was Instagram too.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Do you remember what you guys talked about? Oh yeah,
I remember in the post before she reached out to me.
Did she reached out to you?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah? She did.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Why I just kept telling her in the post, I'm
praying every day we're gonna get this guy.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I told her, I'm.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Praying, and I know God is gonna come through. I
will tell her that God's gonna come through. I promise you.
I made that promise to her. I was like, I
promise you, we're gonna get this guy.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Valerie would turn out to be right, but not in
the way that anyone expected. Next time, on my friend Daisy, I.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Get a phone call from our office. I want to
transfer a phone call to me some commandante from some
police in Mexico. And did it occurred to me?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I didn't.
Speaker 9 (27:15):
I said, okay, just transfer them.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I didn't know. I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
I wasn't sure what he was calling about. And he says, hey,
are you looking for Victor Sosa? Yeah, says I have him.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Hi, everyone, this is Paris. Thanks for listening to my
friend Daisy. If you are someone you love is experiencing abuse,
You are not alone. Help is available twenty four to seven.
Contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline for free confidential support.
Call eight hundred seven nine to nine seven two three three,
text start to eight eight seven eight eight, or visit
(27:51):
the hotline dot org your safety matters reach out today.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
My Friend Daisy is a production of London Audio with
support from Sony Music Entertainment. It's reported, written and executive
produced by me Jen Swan. I'm also your host. Our
executive producers for London Audio are Paris Hilton, Bruce gersh
Bruce Robertson and Joanna Studebaker. Our executive producer for Sony
(28:19):
Music Entertainment is Jonathan Hirsch. Our associate producer is Zoe Culkin.
Production assistants and translations by Miguel Contreras, Sound design, composing
and mixing by Hans Dale she Our fact checker is
Fendall Fulton, Our head of production is Sammy Allison and
(28:41):
our production manager is Tamika Balance Colosny Special thanks to
Steve Akerman, Emily Rossick and Jamie Myers at Sony, Ben
Goldberg and Orley Greenberg at Uta, and Jen Ortiz at
the Cut
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Paris Hilton
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