March 12, 2025 • 52 mins
Twinning! Who knew Jenny McCarthy Wahlberg and Jennie Garth were each other's doppelgangers?! From their Midwest upbringings, to their careers taking off in the 90s, to their "I Do Part 2" experiences...these two are more alike than different! Jenny is talking about how she's reinvented her career over the years, and why she refused to cut corners along the way.
Plus, the game she plays with her husband, Donnie Wahlberg, to keep things interesting in their marriage!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi. Everyone,
welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about
the choices we make and where they lead us. My
guest today has had a long standing career since the nineties.
(00:23):
She's my og girl. You know her as a judge
on the massive hit The Masked Singer, which airs right
now Wednesdays on Fox. It's such a fun show to watch.
She's also an author, an actress, a TV producer, and
she's the founder of the clean beauty brand Formless Beauty.
(00:47):
She's hilarious, beautiful, and I absolutely can't wait to chat
with her. Please welcome Jenny McCarthy Wahlberg to the podcast. Hi,
you are such a feast for my eyeballs right now.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Ditto, Ditto. It's so good to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I haven't seen you. When's the last time we saw
each other? Jenny McCarthy, God.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Was it on a talk show?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I feel like possibly I could have or my podcast
or somewhere like we crossed paths. I'm not even sure,
but do you recall that we did act together?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Girl?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
How could we forget that?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Good?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I was like, I wonder if she.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Remembers I played a lesbian plumber on her show.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Oh you were a plumber. I knew the lesbian part,
but I didn't know the plumber part. Yes, I didn't
recall plumbing. Okay, I just remember you were a lonely
lesbian who had the hots for Val Tyler.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It could be based on a true story, so funny.
When they called me to do that role, I was.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Like, hell yeah, and then I got the worst like flu.
It was like Nora virus of my life or something terrible,
so I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
They had a placement come in and then.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Literally the day before you guys were about to shoot,
they called me like, do you feel any better? Because
we don't like the person that replaced you, so you
have to come in and take your rollover.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And I'm like all right. And it was so great.
You guys were so welcoming. I did so many sitcoms
back then. I was like, I was that.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Guest that used to be constantly on the Love Boat
or Fantasy Island back in the day. I just went
from sitcom to sitcom to sitcom, and you guys were
so lovely to me and I. You were just kind,
You were just a good soul, and I felt lucky.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I was so happy to have you on the show
to begin with. I just felt so just I'm so
comfortable with you. I think I don't know why is it?
Because do you remember what we used to get each
other's mail? Yes? I do.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And by the way, you guys, Jenny, people is like,
who do people could use you with? I'm like always
it's Jenny Garth, Like I have signed so many autographs
with your name because I'm like, I don't want to
disappoint the people. Very nice and they're like, oh my god,
I love you on Nanoto and I'm like, thank you,
and I'll just sigh. They're probably going home going the
signature doesn't match. But I don't want to be a disappointment.
(03:08):
And I'm like, I'm I'm very nice to them, so
I figured you wouldn't mine. But it happens a lot,
which which is a compliment.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I think it happened so much that we actually I
don't I don't know how this could have happened, but
I feel like we got each other's mail one we.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Did, we did, we did, We definitely got each other's mail.
How does that?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
How did the post office, confuse us.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I don't know. I don't That's that's a really good question.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I can understand some like fan mail or something like that,
but it was very bizarre, very well.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
There's nobody I would rather be confused with than you,
So I'm very comfortable with it.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Did Oh I agree? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Oh my gosh. We have so much to talk about,
the Masked Singer, your journey to love, your beauty brand,
formless beauty. I want to get into all of it.
But before we want to get into that stuff, you
are such a multi hyphenate. You're a host, you're an author,
you're an entrepreneur. When you are growing up in the
(04:10):
best place ever, I will add the Midwest, specifically Illinois.
We are fellow Illinoians. I want to know what did
you want to be when you were little?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
So when I was very little, I grew up wanting
and pretending to be this famous Hollywood starlett So I
changed my name when I was probably around seven years
old with my in my inside of my family, I said,
you have to call me Ronda from now on because
watching Vernon Shirley back in the day when Laverna Shirley
(04:44):
moved to Hollywood. They had a neighbor named Ronda, and
she had big blonde hair and big.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Boobs, and I was like, that's what I want to be.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Go figure, I'm like seven years old, and so I
walked around as Ronda.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I would have you know. The only script I knew
growing up was from church because we went twice a week.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So I would perform masks because that was the script
I knew. I'd make people sit down and listen to me,
do homilies, and then I used to do talk shows
in my basement.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I try to imitate Oprah.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So there was always a connection of me wanting to
get into the business. I just didn't know how because,
as you know, when you grew up in Illinois, we
didn't have much money. So it was kind of like, yeah,
that's like at telling your you know your mom and
did you want to be an astronaut?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It's that far away, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And nobody in your family had any history in entertainment,
right like me, same.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No no one, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
So when I went to college, I went to be
a special ed teacher and then I kind of switched
over to be a nurse. But then I had to
drop out because I went broke. I literally had no money,
like to pay for myself. So that's when I was like, Okay,
I I have nothing to lose. I'm nineteen, Why don't
I go to LA and try to just see what happens.
(05:57):
And so when I went out there, I went on
the heels of Playboy because I was twenty thousand dollars
in debt from college and I didn't know anybody, and
I felt like it could be a little bit of
a sorority or at least an organization to kind of
be there for when I got there.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Little did I know at that time it was you.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Know, it's hard to go from Playboy to comedy or
even anything of who knew and you know, and I
kind of I kind of did know that, but I
didn't have any other options. So when I start, when
I went and did it, then I said, what would
be great for me to break out of this mold
(06:40):
to show my personality. I'm like, you know, MTV would
be a good opportunity to kind of show another side
of myself. And that's when I saw this open casting
call for singles Out. It was an MTV game show
at the time for all you young, young ones out there,
and so they wouldn't even let me audition Jen They said, no,
we don't want to playmates.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I'm like, what do you think I'm gonna do?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I'm going to take my clothes off in the middle
of a gage show Like now, Playboy seems so tame
compared to what you know, only fans and all.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
These things going on.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
It was like rated PG practically, So I crashed the audition.
I actually went to the cattle call, which there was
like four hundred people waiting in line, and I didn't
even have a headshot that time. So I drew a
picture of Lucy from Charlie Brown and then signed my
name and did my audition, and I kept getting callbacks
(07:30):
until the final like three, and wound up getting the job.
And it was a great transition because then people go, wow,
she's anything but kind of a pin up.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So I got to show that other side.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
And then I had to pound my way into trying
to get in some acting roles, and then I started
writing books and then I just I just I love
the business so much, but I also get bored very easily,
so I need to be stimulated constantly.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
There are so much alike it's freaking me out, like
the whole story minus the Playboy party didn't do that.
But we are so much alike, like you worked hard
to get where you are.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, hustler.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
You know, it's like I think it is when you're
determined and you know that there's really nothing else you
want to do.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
There only leaves one road. But you know, this business,
as you know, is tough. It's tough. There's a lot
of rejection.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I remember all the articles going, oh my god, you
have fourteen minutes left.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know, it's like.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You can believe it, or you can believe in yourself.
And I just believe in myself and keep going. And
now you know, I've written ten books, nine books or
something like that, and I've done a little bit of everything.
And that's the way I kind of like it. I
want to keep going. I even ask myself now, I'm
like I just started just started to miss acting only recently,
(08:53):
like literally, like I did it for so long, and
then I got into hosting, like assign me to do a.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Show with her for a little while. Then I went
over and hosted the view.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And then I took my own podcast, It's Serious for
seven years, and then I transitioned to the mass singer.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And now I'm like, you know what, I kind of
miss doing like some comedy. The problem is.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
There's nothing going on like actors right now in Hollywood.
It's very difficult to get work. Especially the sitcoms are dead.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
There's no Sitcomoy's sad, right, so sad, there's nothing, no, no.
You know what they say. I read this somewhere that
persistence is the key to success. And you are a
vision of persistence. You're a vision of talent, like just
born into you, and you tapped into that, all of
(09:47):
that and made your way to have this incredible career,
a long lasting career, albeit it's had its challenges. You've
had to work really hard, You've had to reinvent yourself
a million times, but you've always stayed true to exactly
who you are. And that's what I admire the most
about you.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I think, oh, thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I mean that that's what really keeps me, I think, alive,
insane in this business when you know you can easily
fall into being the scandal girl and doing a bunch
of late night mishaps, and I just stayed focused on.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Staying true to myself.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Like you said, like really really, you know what, it
also really helps being a mom and then being a
single mom, because you also have that motivation to pay
the bills. Like you know, when my son was younger
and diagnosed with autism and I literally got the autism
diagnosis and we smiled for divorce.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Within the same week. That was a tough time in
my life.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Oh, I mean I just remember crying so hard. My
butthole was hurting.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Wow, I was in a hower.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
But you have really good like mind body relationship that
you know, you know that your emotions caused that.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I was like literally going, oh my god, I'm just
crying so hard. But it just it also just motivates you,
you know, because you're like, I have to pay for
speech therapy I want, and by you, there's a lot
of jobs I probably never would have said yes to
if I didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Have to pay for the speech therapy and things like that.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
But I'm grateful for that because it did motivate me
to keep going. And then as things got a little easier,
I got to choose things that I wanted to do.
And as you know, it's just like with your podcast,
I choose me. It's like to be able to choose
what you want instead of what maybe people around you
or by necessity.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's just it's a whole game changer, especially at this
stage in our life.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
It's like I understand now when I was younger looking
at people at our age now talking about this being
the best time of their lives and just so much better,
and truly it really is.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It really is the best.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, we never believed them then, but now being in it,
it is the best. And you can really have such
an appreciation for all that you've been through. And like
you said, you probably took jobs that you didn't want
to do, and I can so relate to that because
you had to pay the bills and you have people
depending on you.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, Trusk, you exactly, and there's no one to lean
on it. I didn't come from a rich family, you know, right,
So it's like and I was not about to, you know,
sleep with any guy for money, maybe for a great
pair of shoes, but never to lean on.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I'm very dependent. I'm independent, like.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You are independent.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
When I when I first went out to la and
people are like, you're gonna have to sleep your way
to the top, I was like, oh, really, watch me
not do that.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Watched me earn every.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Dollar for myself, watch me become an entrepreneur, watch me
write books, watch me do everything I possibly can. You know,
coming out of a divorce, I didn't getting money to
pay it, you know what I mean. So it's like, yeah,
it's it was very challenging, but looking back, it made
me who I am today, stronger, much stronger.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I didn't think I could love you more. I love
you more. And this is just the beginning of this podcast.
I want to talk about the mask singer because that
started in twenty nineteen, and I gotta be honest. When
I heard the concept of the masked singer, people singing
in ginormous, crazy costumes, I was like, is this going
(13:34):
to work? What was it that told you that this
was the right choice for you.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I'm so glad you asked that, because I was doing
my serious radio show at the time, was really doing
well at Sirius.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I was there for almost seven years, and I would.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Get offers to do little stuff here and there, and
I was always like, and then a mask singer rolled around,
and my agent actually turned it.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Down a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
He's like, this is too weird, so he came back
to me. He's like, oh, I got to ask you
because they keep bogging me. This is the show. And
I looked at the Korean format that's where it came from,
and I saw something special in it, much like I
saw Singled Out, which was it was different. It was
different enough, and it checked a lot of boxes, which
was you got the singing show, very entertained. It's got
(14:26):
a who is it component, It's got these clues that
you have to kind of put together, and it wasn't
going to be an evil judgmental show.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
We as judges got to give flowers.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I am not a confrontatial person. That's why I did
not do well on the view fighting. I did not
want to fight. It's like I'm the middle child. I
want to go to keep the peace. So I love
the fact that there was goodness in this show. I
love the fact that you can watch it with your kids.
And that's something I hadn't done in a while, Like
I haven't done programming that you know, is family orientated.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
So it checked all of those boxes.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And I told my agent, I'm saying, yes, I do
believe this show has potential because it's that weird and
different and listen. I am a little weird, like it's
on brand for me to be a little bit going
to taking those weird choices. And when it hit, I
was so grateful because it is fun and I love
the parents that come up to me to this day
and go, this is the only show where I get
(15:24):
my kid leaves their phone or they get off the
computer and they sit down on the couch with me
and we watch it together.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And it's been great. It's been really really great. So lucky.
I hope it goes on for like as long as
American Idol.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I'm so happy for you. I mean, it's already been
on for thirteen seasons. Hello, who knew would be such
a juggernaut.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I'm hoping for eighty.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Oh my god. It just looks like a lot of
fun to be on. I've passed a number of times.
Not singing not my thing, but it's fun to watch
so and you're so good on it, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You know they ask I'm with a panel of saying
because Ken, even though he pretends, I just think he
can sing. So they make us open a show with
a singing number sometimes and literally I don't get nervous
about things I am a wreck because they have me
sing a line and I can't sing. I sound like
Peter Brady.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
On My rat much. I'm like, it's time to change.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
So the Sharp episode that we just did this season,
which we're doing all of these awesome now themed episodes,
they had me come out and sing a line and
they called me when they were in post production and
they're like, Jenny, we have been laughing in the editing
bay because you sound so bad that we have to
have you re record your singing. And I was like,
(16:41):
I told you I can't sing, and literally I get
like nauseous. We did a Muppet episode where everyone had
to sing a line and when the camera posed to me,
I literally am like this rainbows, I'm just ter.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I'm like, I'm not a singer. But it also makes
it fun, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Oh god, what a ride, right, totally? You and your
husband Donnie, you guys have been married for almost eleven years?
Is that it?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Similar, I'm just under you at nine maybe ten, I
can't remember, but like me, we've finally found what it
appears to be a lasting love. Oh. It seems like
you have had a fairy tale kind of romance with
Donnie prosecutest boy.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
We really are a lot similar, aren't we. John, We're
both crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
So with Donnie, it truly is I feel so lucky
because when you're in the dating pool, especially as a
single mom, especially in Los Angeles, you have very limited choices.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And you're famous, which is another element.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It's really really hard.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It's like almost with you're forty, you have to date
sixty because the forty year olds date the twenty year olds.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
You know, It's like that's how it felt like in
the day in LA.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
The sixty year olds are still dating like the twenty
year olds.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah that's what I mean. Yeah exactly, Yeah, right, so terrible.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So if you're a forty year old woman, like, no
one wants to another guy that's forty doesn't want another
forty year old.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
They want their twenty year old. So it's like it
was really difficult, So do you find him? I wound
up moving.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I woke up one day after being in LA for
I lived in Chicago twenty years. I went to LA
for twenty years, and then I woke up one day
and I said, I don't want to raise my son here.
I want to move back, buy a house down the
street from my best friend and raise our kids together.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And that's what we did.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And so when I was out here, I did I
would fight in New York and do you know, talk shows,
And then I did my own talk show for a
second and he came on there in New York as
a guest, so we actually met and watch What Happens
Live Andy Cohen's show. He was the second guest in
the second show, and I'd never met him before and
(19:02):
I thought.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
He was married, so I didn't really flirt with him.
I was just like, oh, you're a really nice guy.
Like I had no idea. Andy Cohne was like, you
got to ask her out, You got to ask her out.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
And so then I wound up doing my show and
like six months later and he came on as a guest.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So I'm doing my homework and like, okay, who's he
Dating's not dating anybody? Still wasn't thinking anything.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Then he sat down and I started interviewing him, and
I was like, oh, he's very smart, Oh he's very funny.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Wow, he's really cute.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
And then I the interview was supposed to be nine minutes,
it was ninety.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Who Okay, that was like your first.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Date totally, totally and literally there was so much sparks
in chemistry that everyone in the audience was like, oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And then backstage, I'm like.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I haven't given my number to a guy ever, and
I had my assistant run over there and be like,
here's Shanny's number because I'm like, I don't know how
to do this. So he wound up waiting for me
in his dressing room to see to say like goodbye.
But I was so flushed like a little high school girl.
My face was red, and I.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Was like I can't want past him. I can't want
past him.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I'm like too scared, I'm too nervous, And so I
wound up waiting an hour.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And he was still in the room, but I was
still scared.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
So I ran past his room, got in the elevator,
and I'm like, I just hope he calls me.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Two weeks ago by and he doesn't call me.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
He thought I just gave my phone number to everybody.
That's why I didn't want to see him when I left,
when really I was like a twelve.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Year old little girl, like all freaked out.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So he saw a commercial of me asking a psychic
on my shop talk show if I'm going to marry
Donnie Wahlberg, and the psychic was like, yeah, and this
is before we even went on a date. Okay, but
it was right after that episode, so he wound up
calling me. We went on our first date and then
it was game over. He was just I was so
(20:46):
worried I was going to fall on the trap of
men that were uncooked.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I call him uncooked, like I didn't want to bake,
because they come uncooked. You to stick them on the oven,
teach him stuff, and then they're.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Fully baked and then they're like ugh, And I just
want a one that was because this is what happened.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I don't know if what happened for you.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
In the dating world, we tend sometimes us ladies who
are I feel like women are more of all the
men sometimes sorry, but okay. And we tend to downshift,
like I'll do the spiritual growth, I have to end
a relationship.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I'll work on myself. I'll get to this next level.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Then I'll meet a guy and I'll have to downshift
my energy. It's almost like playing down in a room.
It's like you'll take you'll sacrifice parts of yourself that
you already kind of built up yourself. You'll put them
as the priority instead of yourself. You'll give them the
first choices instead of So I wound up kind of
kept downgrading each down, shifting like a car gear in
(21:41):
each one of these relationships. And I was like, f that,
I'm not doing that anymore. So I took one year break.
I was like, I'm not gonna date anybody. I'm not
gonna sleep with anybody. I'm not gonna flirt with anybody.
I'm just gonna work on me and stick there. And
then that's when a year later I met Donnie. So
he came into my life and we walked together by side,
holding hands, looking forward and not trying to clip. I
(22:04):
call it clipping each other's wings because a lot of
times you get into relationships and you want the other
person is a little jealous, ego gets involved. They don't
want you to be successful, feel afraid if you get
more successful that you might leave them, so they'll clip
your wings. They'll give you little insults here and there
to keep you, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Grounded and so familiar.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yes, right, And then you recognize those patterns, and it's
sadly sometimes you believed it in the past, you know,
and I just wanted to make sure that I was
with a wing fluffer, not a wing clipper.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
And Donnie was one of those guys that would just.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Support me and be there with me and want to
and celebrate the successes, you know, and he still does
it to this day.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's the best. Again, similarity, That's how I feel with
my third and hopefully final marriage. I'm glad that kind
of support. I'm so happy for you to.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Well, you know, it's been it's been almost ten years
for you.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
You kind of know.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
At this point if they're a wing clipper ling wing clupper.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
So obviously, how did you recognize that he was the
best to find me asking?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Honestly, it was that kind of support that I had
never experienced before, that acceptance of who I was and
his need almost to let me shine. Like and I
remember after my divorce, I was like, what are my
non negotiables? Wrote down the things that I had learned
about myself that I wanted to do differently, and on
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the on the top of that list was I want
somebody who is not afraid to let me shine as
bright as I can and then just be there to
support me. Yeah, and that's what it was for me.
And he makes me laugh a lot. Oh, so there's
that a great me too.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Humor, I'm telling you, guys, humor is even better than
a six pack. Guys, it's even better, better than the
six pacts, so so much better.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
It's so much better because also guys that are interested
in being funny are not that like self obsessed that
they have to have a six pack like. They're more
about like experiencing you and letting you do your thing
and having a good time. It's just such a difference,
such a difference.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It is such a difference.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And you know, one little tool that me and Donnie
do to keep things on track, we do a lot
of work on a relationship is that we do this
thing come called questions sometimes, so it was like we're
on a plane ride or we're like taking a long drive,
or like let's play questions and questions will be maybe
something on our mind that we didn't like have time
(24:43):
to really get into a topic right or what can
we do to Is there anything I can do to
improve this relationship? Is there anything you're noticing? This is
part of questions. Is there anything you're noticing that I
can do or that I'm not doing that would help
you in our relationship. That is such a beautiful thing
to ask because there is always something. So for instance,
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one of the things that came up really recently, not
actually not but maybe a year ago, and we're playing
questions that Donnie implemented so beautifully, I said, I would
love even more curiosity, like because sometimes when you're in
a relationship for so long, you tend to not get
as curious because you know all the answers to about
each other, you know, so it's you kind of get
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like we always have that spark, we always have that fire,
but you tend to sometimes lose a little bit of
the curiosity. So I said, I would love it if
you got a little bit more curious, like a talk
show host when I don't know what news event happened
or something even like that, like, hey, what do you
think about that thing that you know so and so
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just out on TV? Or what are you thinking about
the you know, uh whatever, whatever it is to spark
like my intellect and to like bring some conversations or
go deeper or things like that. Just go to playing
curiosity because we tend to forget to do that.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, so that has been really really fun. I mean,
I'm going to use that later today. Honestly, I'm going
to play questions with Dave. Yeah, because I think that
you're so right. We learn, you know, there's so much
we can always be working harder to improve our relationship,
and sometimes you just get complacent and comfortable. Yeah, and
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those things aren't important. So that is a great tip
for me and all of our listeners. Let's play the
question game. Okay, I like it.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I call it check in as well.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
You know, let's do a check in question, but we
do call it questions because it's fun and we take turns.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's so good. You He just recently
kind of completed his very long run on Blue Bloods, right, yep,
you have mal to yourself. Now, how's that working out
for you?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
You know, it's been he would go from Blue Bloods
to his tour, from blue Bloods to his tour. So
we thank god we have a solid foundation because I
also shoot my show in LA so there's a lot
of flying back and forth. There's a lot of not
seeing es spells like you're in COVID.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
It was hard. So this is the first time.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
We've been together, like twenty four hours a day, and
now I'm scared because I'm even more addicted to him.
I thought I was addicted to my husband before. Now
he just went out of town and I was like,
we're both going, what are we gonna do? Like, even
if we're not speaking to each other, our energies together
is just makes everything calm and wonderful. So now he's
(27:43):
gonna be filming again. He's doing a spinoff of Blue Bloods.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, you know, so I'm just I'm like, well, I'll
be visiting you a bundelare, And what about.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
The show that you guys are doing together, the true
crime specials Very Scary Lovers.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
He does a show called Very Scary People.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
We just did a Valentine special of Very Scary Lovers,
but we're talking about rolling that off into a series
because there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I don't want to say amazing, it's the wrong word.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Insane couples who are very scary do a lot of
bad things. So diving into this, I love like psychology
and thinking and figuring out because especially with couples, usually
there's one sane person to talk the insane person out
of doing something dangerous. But when you have insane meeting insane,
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it's a whole other ball of wax.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah that's about thanks.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, so we'll see if we spin that off. But
it was really nice working with them, Like I.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Was like, I bet maybe we could do even more
together because it was really nice because it didn't feel
like work then, and we're.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Like, we're going together, We're going to work together.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I've always dreamed of working with my husband like that.
He's a restaurant tour and I don't have any interest
in serving people so like food. So that's not out yet.
Maybe some day, but I hope that happens for you
because I can see how you light up.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, I do too. I really I enjoy him, I
love him. I want this to work.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
When you're so I'm not going to say obsessed, but
you're so happy in your relationship. You love this man
and you love Evan, your son, Like, how do you
find time to love yourself? That is? You know, that
is an age old question, but everybody needs to figure
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out figure out the balance totally.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And you know, I really believe balance comes with time.
I think we have to screw it up a lot
in order.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
To put the oxygen mask on ourselves, and sadly that
that comes with a lot of depletion and exhaustion. So
what the best thing that came out of my life
was a horrific relationship I was in in the past
that I lost myself so completely that it's kind of like, uh,
(30:02):
there's a there's a there's a quote from Game of
Thrones which is hilarious, but I'm always like, yes, he
says chaos is a ladder, and it's true. So I
had so much chaos going on in a certain relationship
that this ladder was the only way out, and that
ladder was each step of self love and getting out
of it. I had the most, the biggest epiphany, the
(30:23):
biggest shift in everything, and I was like, wow, if
I didn't go through that cdoch relationship, I never would
have learned about self love and self care.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I it made me realize important is that I con first.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Now that doesn't mean, of course, ignoring other people, but
the freedom to have the balls to be like no,
this is what I want to do was.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
So hard for me, really hard, really really hard.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You know. It's like I always people pleaser. My whole
life were like a caretaker and like I just want
to make sure everyone else is happy, making sure that
everyone's upset. I mean when I used to throw parties,
my friends call me the most annoying person of a
party because I'd go, you have fun, I have fun,
even a good time, you have fun, you haven't fun.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Instead of going like, wait, am I having fun?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
It wasn't until I turned like forty eight that I
was like, I don't give a shit if anyone's having
fun at my party.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I'm having a good time.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
That is a real like shift in life as well,
because I was also taking care of my son's health.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
That let my health go. So now my health is
a priority. And even when I met Donnie, I taught him.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I said, listen, one thing you're going to learn and
see with me is that my definition of hell now
is doing something I don't want to do. That's what
I believe hell now on earth is when you say
yes to things that you don't want to do. It's
your fault for not using your voice. So you might
see me a lot to say now, I don't want
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to do that. Like there's things where he's like, will
you be my date at so and so thing? And
I'm like, I love you and no, I love you
and nope, I don't want it.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
But before I'd be like, okay, okay, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
yes you said at forty eight, that happened for you,
like that became clear and I honest to God, not
just to go with the same Zies thing. But that's
when it happened for me too, my late forties, when
I started to really understand who I was and what
I wanted and what I didn't want. How can we
do that earlier, like say, for the next generation, How
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can we help younger women, maybe their mothers, maybe they're
losing themselves, like you said, in their children's health or
taking care of somebody. How do we encourage that for
younger women? Because I feel like if we had known
this younger I don't know, who knows what I mean,
would have happened.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I actually thought about that, you know, because I've written
a lot of books, and one of the things that
I've realized is when we're younger, we don't want to
listen to our older parents or older generation. It's like, imagine,
is then gen Z trying to listen to a boomer bye,
And it's almost like, and I've learned you can't learn
to drive a car if you're always in the passenger seat.
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So you have to get in the car and drive
it and get tickets and you know, do maybe get
in a car accident review until you learn and it's
like you don't. The younger generation doesn't really want to
listen now, mind you. There are some that will listen
to the wise spiritual teachers. They might be into those
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books and they'll get it. I do feel like the
younger generation is much more awake than we were, so
I do think they have an advantage there.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I do feel like there's a.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Spiritual shift in our consciousness where I can see that
they're wise beyond their years.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
So that to me is more of a hopeful thing
than them actually listening to us and waking up. I
think it's more of a collective consciousness shift.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, that's so true, and I see it happening with
my daughters. Maybe you see it happening with Evan, but
it is so true. I always think, Wow, you are
actually so far, so much more advanced emotionally intelligently at
your age than I was.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Completely he's so emotionally intelligent that he teaches me sometimes.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, it's so beautiful though. I mean, it's the best thing.
When they like shine that mirror on you, you know,
and they teach you something, You're like, hey, is this
is this how it's supposed to be here? But I
think it is. I think we've been through everything. We've
had so many experiences, great and bad, and we've learned
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so much, but there's still always more to.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Learn, always and our kids.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
If you allowed your kids to be your teachers as well,
you learn so much because you can see yourself also in.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Everything that you're saying to your child.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Notice the words you're using, Notice the rules you're putting
on Noticing are you projecting your own years onto your child?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Because that's what you know.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I've had to stop myself going like, wait a minute,
I'm projecting the shit that happened to me onto him.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I do have to, right, and you have to be
very awake as a parent to learn to not project.
But we're doing it out of love and fear, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
And also this is our first time doing it. Like
I'm always reminding my girls like you, guys, I don't
know what I'm doing. I've never done this before, Like
at this moment I've never done before, so please be
a little more patient with me to totally lower your
expectations Justice Midge exactly.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
And then you say to yourself, I try not to
be like my parents, because you want to pair differently
than you find yourself falling into.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
That same trap. But it's like it happens. It happens.
You have to forgive yourself, you know.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Like I just say, this morning, I kind of like
he wanted to go visit his girlfriend at like ten
o'clock in the morning this morning, and I was like, no,
there's a snowstorm happening right now, You're not going there.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
And he's like, I'm twenty two, and I'm like, I
don't care. Girl into my rope, and then I was
Then I was apologied. I was like, oh, I'm so sorry.
I shouldn't Like if I was twenty two, I'd have
been like, you know what you could do? You can
go yourself.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'm going yeah, And instead we both apologize for each
other and hugged.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
But I'm like, I have to, you know, be careful.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Literally last night apologized to my youngest daughter who's eighteen,
because I didn't think things through enough when I was
talking to her. I didn't you know, I didn't. I
didn't look at it from all those angles, correct, I
looked at it from like, yeah, this is my house,
you'll follow my rules. So ew I hate that part
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of me.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
It's big of us that we can say sorry. That's
right to feel like our egos might get trapped. Sometimes
we're like, I don't care if I shows. If I
say sorry, then they're no, no, no, I'm not the boss.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
No no, no, no, it has to be you get
so much more respect.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
And I've learned they've learned to apologize. When you can apologize,
they learned to come back sometimes they've been snotty or
snooty or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
To apologize, at least for my son. I noticed.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
It's so so true. Okay, I want to talk about
formless beauty, yes, that you created. Did you do this
with your sister, because I know she's a makeup artist.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I didn't do it with my sister. And my sister
was so busy.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
She's she moved to New York and became like another
world renowned makeup artist. And so I was like, all right, well,
I'm just gonna dive in myself and the reason why
I did it because there's there's so many beauty brands
out there, right, celebrity boot brands out there.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I'm like, do we need another one?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
But the problem was I didn't have an intention of
doing it. I've gotten as I went through paramenopause, I
started getting so much shit wrong with me. Excuse my French,
but I would have autoimmune issues. I've got lee gut, candida,
silly a disease, hashimotos and teacher for oar de mutation,
just a lot of stuff and sensitivities to chemicals. I
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learned so much with healing my kind of own son
going through things that I learned about toxins. So I said, okay,
you know what time to put the oxygen mask on myself.
I did a lot of healing with everyone around me.
It's time to heal me. So I said, I'm just
going to look for a super clean brand. I was
horrified and shocked that the last time the FDA truly
regulated makeup was over eighty years ago, and makeup companies
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are allowed to use the word clean without any regulation.
So what they're scouting is clean is certainly not clean.
That's like saying, oh, this is vegan, so that means clean. No,
just doesn't mean you didn't use any Okay, that doesn't
mean clean. So I was like, shit, I got to
do this by myself. So I said, how am I
going to do this? Because me, Jenny McCarthy, doesn't know
(38:37):
what's clean and what's not clean. I don't people heard
of the Environmental Working Group. If you don't know who
they are, you guys, it's EWG dot org. They are
the gold standard in what is toxic in your laundry,
in your food, in your makeup and your skincare. They
have doctors and scientists that have done all of this
science and research.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
So I sat with them.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I took a meeting and I said, I want to
create beauty brand over your restrictions that you've done all
the work.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Now, there's not that many people that can do this.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
That's why when you get their stamp up of approval,
probably there's no celebrity brands. Maybe one that got some
you know, stamps approval. They gave me a list of
over nine hundred pages of unacceptable restricted ingredients to not
use in a makeup company. Now that means it's a
lot harder it's going to take me a lot longer.
It's going to be much more expensive. We can't use
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cheap cancer causing chemicals, which would make the price margins
a little lower.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
But I didn't want to that.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I want to be able to know that I am
offering a solution for people that care about their toxic load.
So we've created this most and I am so hands in.
It's made me a new USA so I could be
next to my chemist. My chemist hates me because I'm like,
no better, Let's do it. So we formulated skincare. We
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just look at them like a brag and a brag.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Skin careful, your packaging is beautiful you.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
And like, by the way, let me brag and give
you an example for our mescara. We are one of
the very few without hormone disruptors. Mescara is like the
second biggest offender in makeup. There's there's Foundation, and then
there's Mescarra because they use hormone disruptors and forever chemicals
in there.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
So I was like, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Not only to that, we did it without paravans, without thaltes,
without aluminum powder, without promeldehyde, and it's freaking amazing. So
it's like things like that that I'm so proud of.
We've got chemo patients that call and be like, thank
you so much. People with allergies, people say I couldn't
even wear makeup anymore until I used your brand. Young
teenagers who care about the toxicityes pregnant women. So if
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you have if you're sensitive to the environment, if you
care about toxicities, if you have allergies, if you have sensitivities,
this brand literally was formulated for you. I'm finding my
tribe of people. It's called formalist beauty.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yes, formless beauty. I love that it's formless.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
It's farmles. You know I got the name from. Do
you know who Eckartoli is? Yes?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yes, he always I love him. He always referred to
like our soul as formless. It doesn't have form. Of course,
our human body does has form, but our soul doesn't.
So when I was trying to create the company and
coming up with a name, I wanted to put an
intention behind it to remind people, Okay, even though we're
doing the beauty aspect the external, I wanted to remind
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people that true beauty, real beauty comes from within and
that is formless beauty. So that stuck with me, and
I just said, that is my intention that even though
we're doing this, makeup is just the cherry on top.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
People, because real beauty does come from within. But I
love makeup. I just don't want to die for it.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
So good. I mean, it's true some people probably don't
understand this, but sometimes choosing yourself is just as simple
as like putting on a little lip color or some
cheek color. By the way, I am obsessed with the
little circle. I don't know is that she can lit
and she's, yeah, dying for it. I'm so Actually, I'm
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not dying for it.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
You're not dying for it.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I'm wearing it right now. I put on extra this
morning just to impress you.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I'm so glad, thank you. And it's the ingredients are
so clean. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I'm going to get all of my kids on this too,
because as a mom, I really really worry about what
they're putting on their face, on their skin, which is
rapidly absorbed into their bloodstreams.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Uh, this is a big concern of mine.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Daily, and you guys think about it.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Most companies will import from China because that's how their
margins are so cheap.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Do you think anything that one's testing over in China
hail to the no.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
No no.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
So I want to ask you about the hurdles that
you've overcome creating this, because it sounds like that kind
of quality control drives your price up. How were you
able to do that?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Well, you know, by following the Environmental work Group and
keeping it in the United States.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
It almost impossible.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Like I even thought, there's no way I'm going to
be able to make a beauty brand under those standards
without charging people one hundred and.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Fifty dollars for lip gloss.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
So we were still a premium, higher end brand for
that reason. So I try to make it so we
can still stay upfloat and give people the highest quality makeup.
I'm not rolling in the dough yet to make profits
because I take the money and I roll it into
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more products because I really wanted to build it as
clean as possible. But I feel like people are willing
to pay a little bit more knowing that they're not
contributing to their toxic load. Because let me tell you, guys,
we are all having like imagine like a barrel. Our
body can handle toxins to a certain point, but when
that gets overflow, that is your immune system ds regulating.
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That's when you start to see MS, allergies, leaky gut, Parkinson's,
all of those horrible things. And what especially those parabins
and those salads and hormone disruptors are the cancer routes.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
So again, no one is regulating.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
That's why the Environmental Working Group I'm so proud to
kind of be working with them because they've done the work.
It's what the FDA should have been doing along, and
I wish it was more regulated. Like I hope that
I can be a trailblazer and showing people that you
can be done. It can be done, and it should
be done. So let's hope that we get there.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, and the truth is, makeup lasts a while. Okay,
let me ask you this. When you're creating a clean product,
does it have a lot less of a shelf life?
Speaker 3 (44:43):
It does so for instance, which but your mescarra, like
our mescarra is a year. You're going to go through
this probably in three, yeah, three or four months. The
lip gloss is two years.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Okay, it's not.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
But that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
It's great.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
And like our eyeshadow is help free, which means no asbestos.
You know, we still have a shorter shelf life compared
to you know, brands that don't care where they have
you a harsh preservative that will last ten years.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Now a shorter shelf life.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
But it's still not too sure because you're still getting
value because you're going to use this stuff all the time.
You're gonna love it so much, I'm telling you people.
And also it really irritates me when they'll create, like
kids make up a little palette for little girls, boys
or whatever, and it's full of crap.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Oh, if you can just google the reactions that kids get,
it's like horrible.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
And again, no one is looking out into skincare and makeup.
You were on your own. It's a wild, wild I
want to say, Wes.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
But it's around the world because they're god knows where
they're getting the ingredients and no one's looking at them,
no one.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
No one. You know what Jenny McCarthy is and that's
all I need to know. Formless beauty, you guys, Oh,
what are your three must have items that make you
feel put together? Like when you're not in full glam
for work, just in your real life.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Does this mean is it makeup or other things?
Speaker 1 (46:10):
I think let's start with makeup.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Make up, A lip gloss, A lip gloss and a
mascara I can get by my cheek and clip blush.
Gives me a little bonus because I can do this
like if I'm my friends, I can go uh ruh,
just even that. So mascara and a little cheek lip
blush done. I don't even need a lot of foundation
at this point because I don't want a bunch of
lines on my face. It's like, just give me a
little messcara to make me look like my eyes are open, right,
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you know?
Speaker 2 (46:36):
That's it? And then a good deodorant.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
You need to make one.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I am it's coming out.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
It's coming out.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Here for it.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
We're the same age, we've been in the same industry.
It's been all about how we look. What does beauty
mean to you? Like, what does it mean to you
to be beautiful?
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I mean, there's no doubt having be in this business,
you do have to care somewhat about the external, so
you can't ignore that.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
But in this age, I have learned that the most
beautiful women can appear actually ugly if they are not
beautiful on the inside. And we've and we've seen it,
you know you can.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
There's a there's an energy that exudes you that surpasses
I think wrinkles, wait anything that I've seen. The most
beautiful radiating women who are not models, who are normal,
aready people that I am in awe of their beauty.
So to me, the formless beauty radiates so much stronger
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on you know, on the inside than it does on
the outside. But again, making yourself feel pretty on the
outside does help you feel a little better on the inside.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Absolutely, we got to take care of ourselves. I think
we you know, like we talked about before, you lose
track of taking care of yourself. But just getting a
little gussied up once in a while.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Or does it makes you just lit a little bit better.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
And you're right, when I have a lip gloss on,
when I have a little cheek tent on, I feel like,
I don't know what it is, but I feel like
I'm more awake, alive, presentable.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
It's true because sometimes you wanted to reflect how good
you're feeling on the inside.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Sometimes too, you're like you'll sometimes I'll pass in the
mirror and I've been wearing sweats from college still in
my hair, Like, but I'm like, wait a minute, I'm
so happy on the inside. Let me just make the
external reflect a little bit of how good I feel.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
On the outside.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
That is such good, good messaging. Okay, I have one
last question for you. Yeah, yeah, Jenny McCarthy Wahlberg before
I let you go, what was your last I choose me.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Moment, my last I Choose me? I seem to do
them all the time, but I can tell you a
big one. The latest big one I did was I
checked into an Airbnb and I did a three week
cleanse where I didn't want to talk to anybody, I
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didn't want social media, and it was.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
A hardcore cleanse. It was like seven days of like
no food, you just do water. Then you do the
next day of like green.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Shakes, and then you have a klonic machine that you
do all your own colonics.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Oh yeah, it was hard.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Wait, whoa wha You do your own colonics?
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Sounded like a crazy person. But yeah, I've got so
many gut issues.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
But they have these home kits that are amazing. But
in the stuff that gets out of you like a
parasite cleanse, like deep deep clean So to me is
the biggest I choose me because I feel like it's
going to elongate my life and get rid of a
lot of the bad stuff. But you've got to be alone,
like you you can't be because when you're detoxing, you're
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also detoxing emotions. You know, we store a lot of emotions,
even in our fat cells and ourselves, So when you're detoxing,
all of that's coming out when you don't have food.
That's why a lot of a religious sex you know,
they they do fasting in order to get clarity, so
there's a lot of things that happened during that time.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
So to me, it's like the best thing that you
can do is like a once in a year cleanse.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Oh, this is such a good moment for you. Wait,
if people out there are as crazy as you and
I'm one of them, where do we get this cleanse?
Do you mind sharing?
Speaker 2 (50:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I mean, let me try to think. Cell Core has
a great cleanse. Cell Core is the name of the company.
They've got a great parasite cleanse. There's one that you
can tie up with the full moons because that's when
your worms come out to play, and that's when you
kill them.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
But they to me right now, sel Core has the
best cleanses.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
And then I've incorporated some of my old cleanses from
the past with this because there isn't necessarily a water
cleanse that goes along with sel Core, but.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
I just think it's the best on the market right now.
Sell Core.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Well, you are clear minded and vibrant and glowing, so
sign me up.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Back atch your sister.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
I love talking to you. I could talk to forever
me too. We're sisters from other misters, so for sure
I'm always here to take your mail or to sign
an autograph for you.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
That's right, me too. You're so awesome.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
I love you. Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Thank you, and thanks to all your listeners for listening
to me blab. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
They love it. They love it.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
All right, Well, let's talk to you to keep in touch,
will y'all?
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Okay, alright, bye her Bye
You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi. Everyone,
welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about
the choices we make and where they lead us. My
guest today has had a long standing career since the nineties.
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She's my og girl. You know her as a judge
on the massive hit The Masked Singer, which airs right
now Wednesdays on Fox. It's such a fun show to watch.
She's also an author, an actress, a TV producer, and
she's the founder of the clean beauty brand Formless Beauty.
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She's hilarious, beautiful, and I absolutely can't wait to chat
with her. Please welcome Jenny McCarthy Wahlberg to the podcast. Hi,
you are such a feast for my eyeballs right now.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Ditto, Ditto. It's so good to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I haven't seen you. When's the last time we saw
each other? Jenny McCarthy, God.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Was it on a talk show?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I feel like possibly I could have or my podcast
or somewhere like we crossed paths. I'm not even sure,
but do you recall that we did act together?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Girl?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
How could we forget that?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Good?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I was like, I wonder if she.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Remembers I played a lesbian plumber on her show.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Oh you were a plumber. I knew the lesbian part,
but I didn't know the plumber part. Yes, I didn't
recall plumbing. Okay, I just remember you were a lonely
lesbian who had the hots for Val Tyler.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It could be based on a true story, so funny.
When they called me to do that role, I was.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Like, hell yeah, and then I got the worst like flu.
It was like Nora virus of my life or something terrible,
so I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
They had a placement come in and then.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Literally the day before you guys were about to shoot,
they called me like, do you feel any better? Because
we don't like the person that replaced you, so you
have to come in and take your rollover.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And I'm like all right. And it was so great.
You guys were so welcoming. I did so many sitcoms
back then. I was like, I was that.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Guest that used to be constantly on the Love Boat
or Fantasy Island back in the day. I just went
from sitcom to sitcom to sitcom, and you guys were
so lovely to me and I. You were just kind,
You were just a good soul, and I felt lucky.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I was so happy to have you on the show
to begin with. I just felt so just I'm so
comfortable with you. I think I don't know why is it?
Because do you remember what we used to get each
other's mail? Yes? I do.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And by the way, you guys, Jenny, people is like,
who do people could use you with? I'm like always
it's Jenny Garth, Like I have signed so many autographs
with your name because I'm like, I don't want to
disappoint the people. Very nice and they're like, oh my god,
I love you on Nanoto and I'm like, thank you,
and I'll just sigh. They're probably going home going the
signature doesn't match. But I don't want to be a disappointment.
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And I'm like, I'm I'm very nice to them, so
I figured you wouldn't mine. But it happens a lot,
which which is a compliment.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I think it happened so much that we actually I
don't I don't know how this could have happened, but
I feel like we got each other's mail one we.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Did, we did, we did, We definitely got each other's mail.
How does that?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
How did the post office, confuse us.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I don't know. I don't That's that's a really good question.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I can understand some like fan mail or something like that,
but it was very bizarre, very well.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
There's nobody I would rather be confused with than you,
So I'm very comfortable with it.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Did Oh I agree? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Oh my gosh. We have so much to talk about,
the Masked Singer, your journey to love, your beauty brand,
formless beauty. I want to get into all of it.
But before we want to get into that stuff, you
are such a multi hyphenate. You're a host, you're an author,
you're an entrepreneur. When you are growing up in the
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best place ever, I will add the Midwest, specifically Illinois.
We are fellow Illinoians. I want to know what did
you want to be when you were little?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
So when I was very little, I grew up wanting
and pretending to be this famous Hollywood starlett So I
changed my name when I was probably around seven years
old with my in my inside of my family, I said,
you have to call me Ronda from now on because
watching Vernon Shirley back in the day when Laverna Shirley
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moved to Hollywood. They had a neighbor named Ronda, and
she had big blonde hair and big.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Boobs, and I was like, that's what I want to be.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Go figure, I'm like seven years old, and so I
walked around as Ronda.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I would have you know. The only script I knew
growing up was from church because we went twice a week.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So I would perform masks because that was the script
I knew. I'd make people sit down and listen to me,
do homilies, and then I used to do talk shows
in my basement.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I try to imitate Oprah.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So there was always a connection of me wanting to
get into the business. I just didn't know how because,
as you know, when you grew up in Illinois, we
didn't have much money. So it was kind of like, yeah,
that's like at telling your you know your mom and
did you want to be an astronaut?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It's that far away, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And nobody in your family had any history in entertainment,
right like me, same.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No no one, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
So when I went to college, I went to be
a special ed teacher and then I kind of switched
over to be a nurse. But then I had to
drop out because I went broke. I literally had no money,
like to pay for myself. So that's when I was like, Okay,
I I have nothing to lose. I'm nineteen, Why don't
I go to LA and try to just see what happens.
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And so when I went out there, I went on
the heels of Playboy because I was twenty thousand dollars
in debt from college and I didn't know anybody, and
I felt like it could be a little bit of
a sorority or at least an organization to kind of
be there for when I got there.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Little did I know at that time it was you.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Know, it's hard to go from Playboy to comedy or
even anything of who knew and you know, and I
kind of I kind of did know that, but I
didn't have any other options. So when I start, when
I went and did it, then I said, what would
be great for me to break out of this mold
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to show my personality. I'm like, you know, MTV would
be a good opportunity to kind of show another side
of myself. And that's when I saw this open casting
call for singles Out. It was an MTV game show
at the time for all you young, young ones out there,
and so they wouldn't even let me audition Jen They said, no,
we don't want to playmates.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I'm like, what do you think I'm gonna do?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I'm going to take my clothes off in the middle
of a gage show Like now, Playboy seems so tame
compared to what you know, only fans and all.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
These things going on.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
It was like rated PG practically, So I crashed the audition.
I actually went to the cattle call, which there was
like four hundred people waiting in line, and I didn't
even have a headshot that time. So I drew a
picture of Lucy from Charlie Brown and then signed my
name and did my audition, and I kept getting callbacks
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until the final like three, and wound up getting the job.
And it was a great transition because then people go, wow,
she's anything but kind of a pin up.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So I got to show that other side.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
And then I had to pound my way into trying
to get in some acting roles, and then I started
writing books and then I just I just I love
the business so much, but I also get bored very easily,
so I need to be stimulated constantly.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
There are so much alike it's freaking me out, like
the whole story minus the Playboy party didn't do that.
But we are so much alike, like you worked hard
to get where you are.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, hustler.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
You know, it's like I think it is when you're
determined and you know that there's really nothing else you
want to do.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
There only leaves one road. But you know, this business,
as you know, is tough. It's tough. There's a lot
of rejection.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I remember all the articles going, oh my god, you
have fourteen minutes left.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know, it's like.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You can believe it, or you can believe in yourself.
And I just believe in myself and keep going. And
now you know, I've written ten books, nine books or
something like that, and I've done a little bit of everything.
And that's the way I kind of like it. I
want to keep going. I even ask myself now, I'm
like I just started just started to miss acting only recently,
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like literally, like I did it for so long, and
then I got into hosting, like assign me to do a.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Show with her for a little while. Then I went
over and hosted the view.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And then I took my own podcast, It's Serious for
seven years, and then I transitioned to the mass singer.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And now I'm like, you know what, I kind of
miss doing like some comedy. The problem is.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
There's nothing going on like actors right now in Hollywood.
It's very difficult to get work. Especially the sitcoms are dead.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
There's no Sitcomoy's sad, right, so sad, there's nothing, no, no.
You know what they say. I read this somewhere that
persistence is the key to success. And you are a
vision of persistence. You're a vision of talent, like just
born into you, and you tapped into that, all of
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that and made your way to have this incredible career,
a long lasting career, albeit it's had its challenges. You've
had to work really hard, You've had to reinvent yourself
a million times, but you've always stayed true to exactly
who you are. And that's what I admire the most
about you.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I think, oh, thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I mean that that's what really keeps me, I think, alive,
insane in this business when you know you can easily
fall into being the scandal girl and doing a bunch
of late night mishaps, and I just stayed focused on.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Staying true to myself.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Like you said, like really really, you know what, it
also really helps being a mom and then being a
single mom, because you also have that motivation to pay
the bills. Like you know, when my son was younger
and diagnosed with autism and I literally got the autism
diagnosis and we smiled for divorce.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Within the same week. That was a tough time in
my life.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Oh, I mean I just remember crying so hard. My
butthole was hurting.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Wow, I was in a hower.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
But you have really good like mind body relationship that
you know, you know that your emotions caused that.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I was like literally going, oh my god, I'm just
crying so hard. But it just it also just motivates you,
you know, because you're like, I have to pay for
speech therapy I want, and by you, there's a lot
of jobs I probably never would have said yes to
if I didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Have to pay for the speech therapy and things like that.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
But I'm grateful for that because it did motivate me
to keep going. And then as things got a little easier,
I got to choose things that I wanted to do.
And as you know, it's just like with your podcast,
I choose me. It's like to be able to choose
what you want instead of what maybe people around you
or by necessity.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's just it's a whole game changer, especially at this
stage in our life.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
It's like I understand now when I was younger looking
at people at our age now talking about this being
the best time of their lives and just so much better,
and truly it really is.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It really is the best.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, we never believed them then, but now being in it,
it is the best. And you can really have such
an appreciation for all that you've been through. And like
you said, you probably took jobs that you didn't want
to do, and I can so relate to that because
you had to pay the bills and you have people
depending on you.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, Trusk, you exactly, and there's no one to lean
on it. I didn't come from a rich family, you know, right,
So it's like and I was not about to, you know,
sleep with any guy for money, maybe for a great
pair of shoes, but never to lean on.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I'm very dependent. I'm independent, like.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You are independent.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
When I when I first went out to la and
people are like, you're gonna have to sleep your way
to the top, I was like, oh, really, watch me
not do that.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Watched me earn every.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Dollar for myself, watch me become an entrepreneur, watch me
write books, watch me do everything I possibly can. You know,
coming out of a divorce, I didn't getting money to
pay it, you know what I mean. So it's like, yeah,
it's it was very challenging, but looking back, it made
me who I am today, stronger, much stronger.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I didn't think I could love you more. I love
you more. And this is just the beginning of this podcast.
I want to talk about the mask singer because that
started in twenty nineteen, and I gotta be honest. When
I heard the concept of the masked singer, people singing
in ginormous, crazy costumes, I was like, is this going
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to work? What was it that told you that this
was the right choice for you.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I'm so glad you asked that, because I was doing
my serious radio show at the time, was really doing
well at Sirius.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I was there for almost seven years, and I would.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Get offers to do little stuff here and there, and
I was always like, and then a mask singer rolled around,
and my agent actually turned it.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Down a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
He's like, this is too weird, so he came back
to me. He's like, oh, I got to ask you
because they keep bogging me. This is the show. And
I looked at the Korean format that's where it came from,
and I saw something special in it, much like I
saw Singled Out, which was it was different. It was
different enough, and it checked a lot of boxes, which
was you got the singing show, very entertained. It's got
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a who is it component, It's got these clues that
you have to kind of put together, and it wasn't
going to be an evil judgmental show.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
We as judges got to give flowers.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I am not a confrontatial person. That's why I did
not do well on the view fighting. I did not
want to fight. It's like I'm the middle child. I
want to go to keep the peace. So I love
the fact that there was goodness in this show. I
love the fact that you can watch it with your kids.
And that's something I hadn't done in a while, Like
I haven't done programming that you know, is family orientated.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
So it checked all of those boxes.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And I told my agent, I'm saying, yes, I do
believe this show has potential because it's that weird and
different and listen. I am a little weird, like it's
on brand for me to be a little bit going
to taking those weird choices. And when it hit, I
was so grateful because it is fun and I love
the parents that come up to me to this day
and go, this is the only show where I get
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my kid leaves their phone or they get off the
computer and they sit down on the couch with me
and we watch it together.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And it's been great. It's been really really great. So lucky.
I hope it goes on for like as long as
American Idol.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I'm so happy for you. I mean, it's already been
on for thirteen seasons. Hello, who knew would be such
a juggernaut.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I'm hoping for eighty.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Oh my god. It just looks like a lot of
fun to be on. I've passed a number of times.
Not singing not my thing, but it's fun to watch
so and you're so good on it, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You know they ask I'm with a panel of saying
because Ken, even though he pretends, I just think he
can sing. So they make us open a show with
a singing number sometimes and literally I don't get nervous
about things I am a wreck because they have me
sing a line and I can't sing. I sound like
Peter Brady.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
On My rat much. I'm like, it's time to change.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
So the Sharp episode that we just did this season,
which we're doing all of these awesome now themed episodes,
they had me come out and sing a line and
they called me when they were in post production and
they're like, Jenny, we have been laughing in the editing
bay because you sound so bad that we have to
have you re record your singing. And I was like,
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I told you I can't sing, and literally I get
like nauseous. We did a Muppet episode where everyone had
to sing a line and when the camera posed to me,
I literally am like this rainbows, I'm just ter.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I'm like, I'm not a singer. But it also makes
it fun, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Oh god, what a ride, right, totally? You and your
husband Donnie, you guys have been married for almost eleven years?
Is that it?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Similar, I'm just under you at nine maybe ten, I
can't remember, but like me, we've finally found what it
appears to be a lasting love. Oh. It seems like
you have had a fairy tale kind of romance with
Donnie prosecutest boy.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
We really are a lot similar, aren't we. John, We're
both crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
So with Donnie, it truly is I feel so lucky
because when you're in the dating pool, especially as a
single mom, especially in Los Angeles, you have very limited choices.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And you're famous, which is another element.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It's really really hard.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It's like almost with you're forty, you have to date
sixty because the forty year olds date the twenty year olds.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
You know, It's like that's how it felt like in
the day in LA.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
The sixty year olds are still dating like the twenty
year olds.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah that's what I mean. Yeah exactly, Yeah, right, so terrible.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So if you're a forty year old woman, like, no
one wants to another guy that's forty doesn't want another
forty year old.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
They want their twenty year old. So it's like it
was really difficult, So do you find him? I wound
up moving.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I woke up one day after being in LA for
I lived in Chicago twenty years. I went to LA
for twenty years, and then I woke up one day
and I said, I don't want to raise my son here.
I want to move back, buy a house down the
street from my best friend and raise our kids together.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And that's what we did.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And so when I was out here, I did I
would fight in New York and do you know, talk shows,
And then I did my own talk show for a
second and he came on there in New York as
a guest, so we actually met and watch What Happens
Live Andy Cohen's show. He was the second guest in
the second show, and I'd never met him before and
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I thought.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
He was married, so I didn't really flirt with him.
I was just like, oh, you're a really nice guy.
Like I had no idea. Andy Cohne was like, you
got to ask her out, You got to ask her out.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
And so then I wound up doing my show and
like six months later and he came on as a guest.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So I'm doing my homework and like, okay, who's he
Dating's not dating anybody? Still wasn't thinking anything.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Then he sat down and I started interviewing him, and
I was like, oh, he's very smart, Oh he's very funny.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Wow, he's really cute.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
And then I the interview was supposed to be nine minutes,
it was ninety.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Who Okay, that was like your first.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Date totally, totally and literally there was so much sparks
in chemistry that everyone in the audience was like, oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And then backstage, I'm like.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I haven't given my number to a guy ever, and
I had my assistant run over there and be like,
here's Shanny's number because I'm like, I don't know how
to do this. So he wound up waiting for me
in his dressing room to see to say like goodbye.
But I was so flushed like a little high school girl.
My face was red, and I.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Was like I can't want past him. I can't want
past him.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I'm like too scared, I'm too nervous, And so I
wound up waiting an hour.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And he was still in the room, but I was
still scared.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
So I ran past his room, got in the elevator,
and I'm like, I just hope he calls me.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Two weeks ago by and he doesn't call me.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
He thought I just gave my phone number to everybody.
That's why I didn't want to see him when I left,
when really I was like a twelve.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Year old little girl, like all freaked out.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So he saw a commercial of me asking a psychic
on my shop talk show if I'm going to marry
Donnie Wahlberg, and the psychic was like, yeah, and this
is before we even went on a date. Okay, but
it was right after that episode, so he wound up
calling me. We went on our first date and then
it was game over. He was just I was so
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worried I was going to fall on the trap of
men that were uncooked.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I call him uncooked, like I didn't want to bake,
because they come uncooked. You to stick them on the oven,
teach him stuff, and then they're.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Fully baked and then they're like ugh, And I just
want a one that was because this is what happened.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I don't know if what happened for you.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
In the dating world, we tend sometimes us ladies who
are I feel like women are more of all the
men sometimes sorry, but okay. And we tend to downshift,
like I'll do the spiritual growth, I have to end
a relationship.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I'll work on myself. I'll get to this next level.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Then I'll meet a guy and I'll have to downshift
my energy. It's almost like playing down in a room.
It's like you'll take you'll sacrifice parts of yourself that
you already kind of built up yourself. You'll put them
as the priority instead of yourself. You'll give them the
first choices instead of So I wound up kind of
kept downgrading each down, shifting like a car gear in
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each one of these relationships. And I was like, f that,
I'm not doing that anymore. So I took one year break.
I was like, I'm not gonna date anybody. I'm not
gonna sleep with anybody. I'm not gonna flirt with anybody.
I'm just gonna work on me and stick there. And
then that's when a year later I met Donnie. So
he came into my life and we walked together by side,
holding hands, looking forward and not trying to clip. I
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call it clipping each other's wings because a lot of
times you get into relationships and you want the other
person is a little jealous, ego gets involved. They don't
want you to be successful, feel afraid if you get
more successful that you might leave them, so they'll clip
your wings. They'll give you little insults here and there
to keep you, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Grounded and so familiar.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yes, right, And then you recognize those patterns, and it's
sadly sometimes you believed it in the past, you know,
and I just wanted to make sure that I was
with a wing fluffer, not a wing clipper.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
And Donnie was one of those guys that would just.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Support me and be there with me and want to
and celebrate the successes, you know, and he still does
it to this day.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's the best. Again, similarity, That's how I feel with
my third and hopefully final marriage. I'm glad that kind
of support. I'm so happy for you to.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Well, you know, it's been it's been almost ten years
for you.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
You kind of know.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
At this point if they're a wing clipper ling wing clupper.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
So obviously, how did you recognize that he was the
best to find me asking?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Honestly, it was that kind of support that I had
never experienced before, that acceptance of who I was and
his need almost to let me shine. Like and I
remember after my divorce, I was like, what are my
non negotiables? Wrote down the things that I had learned
about myself that I wanted to do differently, and on
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the on the top of that list was I want
somebody who is not afraid to let me shine as
bright as I can and then just be there to
support me. Yeah, and that's what it was for me.
And he makes me laugh a lot. Oh, so there's
that a great me too.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Humor, I'm telling you, guys, humor is even better than
a six pack. Guys, it's even better, better than the
six pacts, so so much better.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
It's so much better because also guys that are interested
in being funny are not that like self obsessed that
they have to have a six pack like. They're more
about like experiencing you and letting you do your thing
and having a good time. It's just such a difference,
such a difference.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It is such a difference.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And you know, one little tool that me and Donnie
do to keep things on track, we do a lot
of work on a relationship is that we do this
thing come called questions sometimes, so it was like we're
on a plane ride or we're like taking a long drive,
or like let's play questions and questions will be maybe
something on our mind that we didn't like have time
(24:43):
to really get into a topic right or what can
we do to Is there anything I can do to
improve this relationship? Is there anything you're noticing? This is
part of questions. Is there anything you're noticing that I
can do or that I'm not doing that would help
you in our relationship. That is such a beautiful thing
to ask because there is always something. So for instance,
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one of the things that came up really recently, not
actually not but maybe a year ago, and we're playing
questions that Donnie implemented so beautifully, I said, I would
love even more curiosity, like because sometimes when you're in
a relationship for so long, you tend to not get
as curious because you know all the answers to about
each other, you know, so it's you kind of get
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like we always have that spark, we always have that fire,
but you tend to sometimes lose a little bit of
the curiosity. So I said, I would love it if
you got a little bit more curious, like a talk
show host when I don't know what news event happened
or something even like that, like, hey, what do you
think about that thing that you know so and so
(25:52):
just out on TV? Or what are you thinking about
the you know, uh whatever, whatever it is to spark
like my intellect and to like bring some conversations or
go deeper or things like that. Just go to playing
curiosity because we tend to forget to do that.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, so that has been really really fun. I mean,
I'm going to use that later today. Honestly, I'm going
to play questions with Dave. Yeah, because I think that
you're so right. We learn, you know, there's so much
we can always be working harder to improve our relationship,
and sometimes you just get complacent and comfortable. Yeah, and
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those things aren't important. So that is a great tip
for me and all of our listeners. Let's play the
question game. Okay, I like it.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I call it check in as well.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
You know, let's do a check in question, but we
do call it questions because it's fun and we take turns.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's so good. You He just recently
kind of completed his very long run on Blue Bloods, right, yep,
you have mal to yourself. Now, how's that working out
for you?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
You know, it's been he would go from Blue Bloods
to his tour, from blue Bloods to his tour. So
we thank god we have a solid foundation because I
also shoot my show in LA so there's a lot
of flying back and forth. There's a lot of not
seeing es spells like you're in COVID.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
It was hard. So this is the first time.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
We've been together, like twenty four hours a day, and
now I'm scared because I'm even more addicted to him.
I thought I was addicted to my husband before. Now
he just went out of town and I was like,
we're both going, what are we gonna do? Like, even
if we're not speaking to each other, our energies together
is just makes everything calm and wonderful. So now he's
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gonna be filming again. He's doing a spinoff of Blue Bloods.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, you know, so I'm just I'm like, well, I'll
be visiting you a bundelare, And what about.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
The show that you guys are doing together, the true
crime specials Very Scary Lovers.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
He does a show called Very Scary People.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
We just did a Valentine special of Very Scary Lovers,
but we're talking about rolling that off into a series
because there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I don't want to say amazing, it's the wrong word.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Insane couples who are very scary do a lot of
bad things. So diving into this, I love like psychology
and thinking and figuring out because especially with couples, usually
there's one sane person to talk the insane person out
of doing something dangerous. But when you have insane meeting insane,
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it's a whole other ball of wax.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah that's about thanks.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, so we'll see if we spin that off. But
it was really nice working with them, Like I.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Was like, I bet maybe we could do even more
together because it was really nice because it didn't feel
like work then, and we're.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Like, we're going together, We're going to work together.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I've always dreamed of working with my husband like that.
He's a restaurant tour and I don't have any interest
in serving people so like food. So that's not out yet.
Maybe some day, but I hope that happens for you
because I can see how you light up.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, I do too. I really I enjoy him, I
love him. I want this to work.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
When you're so I'm not going to say obsessed, but
you're so happy in your relationship. You love this man
and you love Evan, your son, Like, how do you
find time to love yourself? That is? You know, that
is an age old question, but everybody needs to figure
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out figure out the balance totally.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And you know, I really believe balance comes with time.
I think we have to screw it up a lot
in order.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
To put the oxygen mask on ourselves, and sadly that
that comes with a lot of depletion and exhaustion. So
what the best thing that came out of my life
was a horrific relationship I was in in the past
that I lost myself so completely that it's kind of like, uh,
(30:02):
there's a there's a there's a quote from Game of
Thrones which is hilarious, but I'm always like, yes, he
says chaos is a ladder, and it's true. So I
had so much chaos going on in a certain relationship
that this ladder was the only way out, and that
ladder was each step of self love and getting out
of it. I had the most, the biggest epiphany, the
(30:23):
biggest shift in everything, and I was like, wow, if
I didn't go through that cdoch relationship, I never would
have learned about self love and self care.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I it made me realize important is that I con first.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Now that doesn't mean, of course, ignoring other people, but
the freedom to have the balls to be like no,
this is what I want to do was.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
So hard for me, really hard, really really hard.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You know. It's like I always people pleaser. My whole
life were like a caretaker and like I just want
to make sure everyone else is happy, making sure that
everyone's upset. I mean when I used to throw parties,
my friends call me the most annoying person of a
party because I'd go, you have fun, I have fun,
even a good time, you have fun, you haven't fun.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Instead of going like, wait, am I having fun?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
It wasn't until I turned like forty eight that I
was like, I don't give a shit if anyone's having
fun at my party.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I'm having a good time.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
That is a real like shift in life as well,
because I was also taking care of my son's health.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
That let my health go. So now my health is
a priority. And even when I met Donnie, I taught him.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I said, listen, one thing you're going to learn and
see with me is that my definition of hell now
is doing something I don't want to do. That's what
I believe hell now on earth is when you say
yes to things that you don't want to do. It's
your fault for not using your voice. So you might
see me a lot to say now, I don't want
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to do that. Like there's things where he's like, will
you be my date at so and so thing? And
I'm like, I love you and no, I love you
and nope, I don't want it.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
But before I'd be like, okay, okay, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
yes you said at forty eight, that happened for you,
like that became clear and I honest to God, not
just to go with the same Zies thing. But that's
when it happened for me too, my late forties, when
I started to really understand who I was and what
I wanted and what I didn't want. How can we
do that earlier, like say, for the next generation, How
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can we help younger women, maybe their mothers, maybe they're
losing themselves, like you said, in their children's health or
taking care of somebody. How do we encourage that for
younger women? Because I feel like if we had known
this younger I don't know, who knows what I mean,
would have happened.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I actually thought about that, you know, because I've written
a lot of books, and one of the things that
I've realized is when we're younger, we don't want to
listen to our older parents or older generation. It's like, imagine,
is then gen Z trying to listen to a boomer bye,
And it's almost like, and I've learned you can't learn
to drive a car if you're always in the passenger seat.
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So you have to get in the car and drive
it and get tickets and you know, do maybe get
in a car accident review until you learn and it's
like you don't. The younger generation doesn't really want to
listen now, mind you. There are some that will listen
to the wise spiritual teachers. They might be into those
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books and they'll get it. I do feel like the
younger generation is much more awake than we were, so
I do think they have an advantage there.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I do feel like there's a.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Spiritual shift in our consciousness where I can see that
they're wise beyond their years.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
So that to me is more of a hopeful thing
than them actually listening to us and waking up. I
think it's more of a collective consciousness shift.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, that's so true, and I see it happening with
my daughters. Maybe you see it happening with Evan, but
it is so true. I always think, Wow, you are
actually so far, so much more advanced emotionally intelligently at
your age than I was.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Completely he's so emotionally intelligent that he teaches me sometimes.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, it's so beautiful though. I mean, it's the best thing.
When they like shine that mirror on you, you know,
and they teach you something, You're like, hey, is this
is this how it's supposed to be here? But I
think it is. I think we've been through everything. We've
had so many experiences, great and bad, and we've learned
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so much, but there's still always more to.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Learn, always and our kids.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
If you allowed your kids to be your teachers as well,
you learn so much because you can see yourself also in.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Everything that you're saying to your child.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Notice the words you're using, Notice the rules you're putting
on Noticing are you projecting your own years onto your child?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Because that's what you know.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I've had to stop myself going like, wait a minute,
I'm projecting the shit that happened to me onto him.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I do have to, right, and you have to be
very awake as a parent to learn to not project.
But we're doing it out of love and fear, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
And also this is our first time doing it. Like
I'm always reminding my girls like you, guys, I don't
know what I'm doing. I've never done this before, Like
at this moment I've never done before, so please be
a little more patient with me to totally lower your
expectations Justice Midge exactly.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
And then you say to yourself, I try not to
be like my parents, because you want to pair differently
than you find yourself falling into.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
That same trap. But it's like it happens. It happens.
You have to forgive yourself, you know.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Like I just say, this morning, I kind of like
he wanted to go visit his girlfriend at like ten
o'clock in the morning this morning, and I was like, no,
there's a snowstorm happening right now, You're not going there.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
And he's like, I'm twenty two, and I'm like, I
don't care. Girl into my rope, and then I was
Then I was apologied. I was like, oh, I'm so sorry.
I shouldn't Like if I was twenty two, I'd have
been like, you know what you could do? You can
go yourself.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'm going yeah, And instead we both apologize for each
other and hugged.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
But I'm like, I have to, you know, be careful.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Literally last night apologized to my youngest daughter who's eighteen,
because I didn't think things through enough when I was
talking to her. I didn't you know, I didn't. I
didn't look at it from all those angles, correct, I
looked at it from like, yeah, this is my house,
you'll follow my rules. So ew I hate that part
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of me.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
It's big of us that we can say sorry. That's
right to feel like our egos might get trapped. Sometimes
we're like, I don't care if I shows. If I
say sorry, then they're no, no, no, I'm not the boss.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
No no, no, no, it has to be you get
so much more respect.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
And I've learned they've learned to apologize. When you can apologize,
they learned to come back sometimes they've been snotty or
snooty or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
To apologize, at least for my son. I noticed.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
It's so so true. Okay, I want to talk about
formless beauty, yes, that you created. Did you do this
with your sister, because I know she's a makeup artist.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I didn't do it with my sister. And my sister
was so busy.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
She's she moved to New York and became like another
world renowned makeup artist. And so I was like, all right, well,
I'm just gonna dive in myself and the reason why
I did it because there's there's so many beauty brands
out there, right, celebrity boot brands out there.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I'm like, do we need another one?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
But the problem was I didn't have an intention of
doing it. I've gotten as I went through paramenopause, I
started getting so much shit wrong with me. Excuse my French,
but I would have autoimmune issues. I've got lee gut, candida,
silly a disease, hashimotos and teacher for oar de mutation,
just a lot of stuff and sensitivities to chemicals. I
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learned so much with healing my kind of own son
going through things that I learned about toxins. So I said, okay,
you know what time to put the oxygen mask on myself.
I did a lot of healing with everyone around me.
It's time to heal me. So I said, I'm just
going to look for a super clean brand. I was
horrified and shocked that the last time the FDA truly
regulated makeup was over eighty years ago, and makeup companies
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are allowed to use the word clean without any regulation.
So what they're scouting is clean is certainly not clean.
That's like saying, oh, this is vegan, so that means clean. No,
just doesn't mean you didn't use any Okay, that doesn't
mean clean. So I was like, shit, I got to
do this by myself. So I said, how am I
going to do this? Because me, Jenny McCarthy, doesn't know
(38:37):
what's clean and what's not clean. I don't people heard
of the Environmental Working Group. If you don't know who
they are, you guys, it's EWG dot org. They are
the gold standard in what is toxic in your laundry,
in your food, in your makeup and your skincare. They
have doctors and scientists that have done all of this
science and research.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
So I sat with them.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I took a meeting and I said, I want to
create beauty brand over your restrictions that you've done all
the work.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Now, there's not that many people that can do this.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
That's why when you get their stamp up of approval,
probably there's no celebrity brands. Maybe one that got some
you know, stamps approval. They gave me a list of
over nine hundred pages of unacceptable restricted ingredients to not
use in a makeup company. Now that means it's a
lot harder it's going to take me a lot longer.
It's going to be much more expensive. We can't use
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cheap cancer causing chemicals, which would make the price margins
a little lower.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
But I didn't want to that.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I want to be able to know that I am
offering a solution for people that care about their toxic load.
So we've created this most and I am so hands in.
It's made me a new USA so I could be
next to my chemist. My chemist hates me because I'm like,
no better, Let's do it. So we formulated skincare. We
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just look at them like a brag and a brag.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Skin careful, your packaging is beautiful you.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
And like, by the way, let me brag and give
you an example for our mescara. We are one of
the very few without hormone disruptors. Mescara is like the
second biggest offender in makeup. There's there's Foundation, and then
there's Mescarra because they use hormone disruptors and forever chemicals
in there.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
So I was like, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Not only to that, we did it without paravans, without thaltes,
without aluminum powder, without promeldehyde, and it's freaking amazing. So
it's like things like that that I'm so proud of.
We've got chemo patients that call and be like, thank
you so much. People with allergies, people say I couldn't
even wear makeup anymore until I used your brand. Young
teenagers who care about the toxicityes pregnant women. So if
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you have if you're sensitive to the environment, if you
care about toxicities, if you have allergies, if you have sensitivities,
this brand literally was formulated for you. I'm finding my
tribe of people. It's called formalist beauty.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yes, formless beauty. I love that it's formless.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
It's farmles. You know I got the name from. Do
you know who Eckartoli is? Yes?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yes, he always I love him. He always referred to
like our soul as formless. It doesn't have form. Of course,
our human body does has form, but our soul doesn't.
So when I was trying to create the company and
coming up with a name, I wanted to put an
intention behind it to remind people, Okay, even though we're
doing the beauty aspect the external, I wanted to remind
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people that true beauty, real beauty comes from within and
that is formless beauty. So that stuck with me, and
I just said, that is my intention that even though
we're doing this, makeup is just the cherry on top.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
People, because real beauty does come from within. But I
love makeup. I just don't want to die for it.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
So good. I mean, it's true some people probably don't
understand this, but sometimes choosing yourself is just as simple
as like putting on a little lip color or some
cheek color. By the way, I am obsessed with the
little circle. I don't know is that she can lit
and she's, yeah, dying for it. I'm so Actually, I'm
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not dying for it.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
You're not dying for it.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I'm wearing it right now. I put on extra this
morning just to impress you.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I'm so glad, thank you. And it's the ingredients are
so clean. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I'm going to get all of my kids on this too,
because as a mom, I really really worry about what
they're putting on their face, on their skin, which is
rapidly absorbed into their bloodstreams.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Uh, this is a big concern of mine.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Daily, and you guys think about it.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Most companies will import from China because that's how their
margins are so cheap.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Do you think anything that one's testing over in China
hail to the no.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
No no.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
So I want to ask you about the hurdles that
you've overcome creating this, because it sounds like that kind
of quality control drives your price up. How were you
able to do that?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Well, you know, by following the Environmental work Group and
keeping it in the United States.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
It almost impossible.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Like I even thought, there's no way I'm going to
be able to make a beauty brand under those standards
without charging people one hundred and.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Fifty dollars for lip gloss.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
So we were still a premium, higher end brand for
that reason. So I try to make it so we
can still stay upfloat and give people the highest quality makeup.
I'm not rolling in the dough yet to make profits
because I take the money and I roll it into
(43:33):
more products because I really wanted to build it as
clean as possible. But I feel like people are willing
to pay a little bit more knowing that they're not
contributing to their toxic load. Because let me tell you, guys,
we are all having like imagine like a barrel. Our
body can handle toxins to a certain point, but when
that gets overflow, that is your immune system ds regulating.
(43:56):
That's when you start to see MS, allergies, leaky gut, Parkinson's,
all of those horrible things. And what especially those parabins
and those salads and hormone disruptors are the cancer routes.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
So again, no one is regulating.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
That's why the Environmental Working Group I'm so proud to
kind of be working with them because they've done the work.
It's what the FDA should have been doing along, and
I wish it was more regulated. Like I hope that
I can be a trailblazer and showing people that you
can be done. It can be done, and it should
be done. So let's hope that we get there.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, and the truth is, makeup lasts a while. Okay,
let me ask you this. When you're creating a clean product,
does it have a lot less of a shelf life?
Speaker 3 (44:43):
It does so for instance, which but your mescarra, like
our mescarra is a year. You're going to go through
this probably in three, yeah, three or four months. The
lip gloss is two years.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Okay, it's not.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
But that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
It's great.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
And like our eyeshadow is help free, which means no asbestos.
You know, we still have a shorter shelf life compared
to you know, brands that don't care where they have
you a harsh preservative that will last ten years.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Now a shorter shelf life.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
But it's still not too sure because you're still getting
value because you're going to use this stuff all the time.
You're gonna love it so much, I'm telling you people.
And also it really irritates me when they'll create, like
kids make up a little palette for little girls, boys
or whatever, and it's full of crap.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Oh, if you can just google the reactions that kids get,
it's like horrible.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
And again, no one is looking out into skincare and makeup.
You were on your own. It's a wild, wild I
want to say, Wes.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
But it's around the world because they're god knows where
they're getting the ingredients and no one's looking at them,
no one.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
No one. You know what Jenny McCarthy is and that's
all I need to know. Formless beauty, you guys, Oh,
what are your three must have items that make you
feel put together? Like when you're not in full glam
for work, just in your real life.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Does this mean is it makeup or other things?
Speaker 1 (46:10):
I think let's start with makeup.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Make up, A lip gloss, A lip gloss and a
mascara I can get by my cheek and clip blush.
Gives me a little bonus because I can do this
like if I'm my friends, I can go uh ruh,
just even that. So mascara and a little cheek lip
blush done. I don't even need a lot of foundation
at this point because I don't want a bunch of
lines on my face. It's like, just give me a
little messcara to make me look like my eyes are open, right,
(46:35):
you know?
Speaker 2 (46:36):
That's it? And then a good deodorant.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
You need to make one.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I am it's coming out.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
It's coming out.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Here for it.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
We're the same age, we've been in the same industry.
It's been all about how we look. What does beauty
mean to you? Like, what does it mean to you
to be beautiful?
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I mean, there's no doubt having be in this business,
you do have to care somewhat about the external, so
you can't ignore that.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
But in this age, I have learned that the most
beautiful women can appear actually ugly if they are not
beautiful on the inside. And we've and we've seen it,
you know you can.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
There's a there's an energy that exudes you that surpasses
I think wrinkles, wait anything that I've seen. The most
beautiful radiating women who are not models, who are normal,
aready people that I am in awe of their beauty.
So to me, the formless beauty radiates so much stronger
(47:52):
on you know, on the inside than it does on
the outside. But again, making yourself feel pretty on the
outside does help you feel a little better on the inside.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Absolutely, we got to take care of ourselves. I think
we you know, like we talked about before, you lose
track of taking care of yourself. But just getting a
little gussied up once in a while.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Or does it makes you just lit a little bit better.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
And you're right, when I have a lip gloss on,
when I have a little cheek tent on, I feel like,
I don't know what it is, but I feel like
I'm more awake, alive, presentable.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
It's true because sometimes you wanted to reflect how good
you're feeling on the inside.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Sometimes too, you're like you'll sometimes I'll pass in the
mirror and I've been wearing sweats from college still in
my hair, Like, but I'm like, wait a minute, I'm
so happy on the inside. Let me just make the
external reflect a little bit of how good I feel.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
On the outside.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
That is such good, good messaging. Okay, I have one
last question for you. Yeah, yeah, Jenny McCarthy Wahlberg before
I let you go, what was your last I choose me.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Moment, my last I Choose me? I seem to do
them all the time, but I can tell you a
big one. The latest big one I did was I
checked into an Airbnb and I did a three week
cleanse where I didn't want to talk to anybody, I
(49:24):
didn't want social media, and it was.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
A hardcore cleanse. It was like seven days of like
no food, you just do water. Then you do the
next day of like green.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Shakes, and then you have a klonic machine that you
do all your own colonics.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Oh yeah, it was hard.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Wait, whoa wha You do your own colonics?
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Sounded like a crazy person. But yeah, I've got so
many gut issues.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
But they have these home kits that are amazing. But
in the stuff that gets out of you like a
parasite cleanse, like deep deep clean So to me is
the biggest I choose me because I feel like it's
going to elongate my life and get rid of a
lot of the bad stuff. But you've got to be alone,
like you you can't be because when you're detoxing, you're
(50:12):
also detoxing emotions. You know, we store a lot of emotions,
even in our fat cells and ourselves, So when you're detoxing,
all of that's coming out when you don't have food.
That's why a lot of a religious sex you know,
they they do fasting in order to get clarity, so
there's a lot of things that happened during that time.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
So to me, it's like the best thing that you
can do is like a once in a year cleanse.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Oh, this is such a good moment for you. Wait,
if people out there are as crazy as you and
I'm one of them, where do we get this cleanse?
Do you mind sharing?
Speaker 2 (50:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I mean, let me try to think. Cell Core has
a great cleanse. Cell Core is the name of the company.
They've got a great parasite cleanse. There's one that you
can tie up with the full moons because that's when
your worms come out to play, and that's when you
kill them.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
But they to me right now, sel Core has the
best cleanses.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
And then I've incorporated some of my old cleanses from
the past with this because there isn't necessarily a water
cleanse that goes along with sel Core, but.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
I just think it's the best on the market right now.
Sell Core.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Well, you are clear minded and vibrant and glowing, so
sign me up.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Back atch your sister.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
I love talking to you. I could talk to forever
me too. We're sisters from other misters, so for sure
I'm always here to take your mail or to sign
an autograph for you.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
That's right, me too. You're so awesome.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
I love you. Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Thank you, and thanks to all your listeners for listening
to me blab. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
They love it. They love it.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
All right, Well, let's talk to you to keep in touch,
will y'all?
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Okay, alright, bye her Bye
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