April 16, 2025 • 50 mins
Jennie is keeping it real with multi-hyphenate entrepreneur boss babe Molly Sims! Who wants to be cookie-cutter picture-perfect anyway?!
The women who both came up in the 90s and have pivoted their careers over the decades are reflecting on why it's important to put people around you who are smarter than you, why friendship breakups are necessary, and why it’s OK to lie to your kids sometimes!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi, everyone,
welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about
the choices we make and where they lead us. You guys,
this podcast has been so incredible in so many different ways.
I love this podcast. I can't say it enough. One
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of the best things about doing this podcast is that
I get to connect with inspirational women that are blazing
their own trails, and we get to have these incredibly
deep conversations that leave me feeling inspired and I know
leave all of you feeling fired up as well. And
that's what it's all about. My guest today is a
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model an actress. She is the founder of the beauty
brand Wise Beauty and has her own female focused production company.
She's also the host of the podcast Lipstick on the Rim.
Please welcome Molly Simms to the Oh my gosh, I
think maybe correct me if I'm wrong, because I have
a terrible, terrible memory problem. Is this the first time
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we're meeting?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You know? I mean it's not for me like I
grew up with your poster in my room. But no,
I think maybe, like many moons, like maybe fifteen years ago,
I met you and your ex husband. Okay, but I
but I don't know where. But yeah, you were always
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so you're just always so light and refreshing and fun
and you're Jenny Garth. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I'm so glad to finally like have a chat with you.
This is so good, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
And you know, I you know, we're both moms and
many children, and yes, you know we're mom and we're
moment we're working moms.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We are. We were meant to have this conversation a
few months ago, but you know, we both know that
our communities here in Los Angeles were turned upside down
and we had to both, I believe, evacuate our homes.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I think we were scheduled to be together on the
seventh of Janus. Yes, I know. It's uh yeah, we're
still evacuated. I'm about fifty five minutes outside of LA
now with my family. Our school made it, my house
made it. I'm hoping to get back in within the
next month. But I actually I got the nerve to
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go to go into the village, into the palisades, and
oh my gosh, it was so heart wrenching and so
devastating just to really see it up close, to really
you know, not through a picture, through social or through
TV like to really try to experience it. It was
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gut wrenching. I have to say, have you driven through
Altadena or the Palisades yet? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I actually just went to Altadena last night to go
to a restaurant over there, and it was just somber.
It's real hard to see in person.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I know. I think for me, I kept putting it
off and putting it off because I just didn't want
to feel any more than I was already feeling. But
I'm so glad I did it. Like, I'm so glad
I on the prize. We can do this. We have
incredible communities and people, and you know, I'm really I
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don't know. As much as it made me super super saded,
also it gave me a lot of hope, and I've
never seen communities pulled together more.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I know. I mean, if there's an upside, that's it
for sure. But yeah, what, I'm glad we're finally talking regardless.
You know, one of the things that I admire the
most about you is through your platforms, your socials, your podcasts,
everything you do, you really keep it real with your audience.
And that's how I am. I think so many women
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and moms are so attached to this picture perfect life
that they put out on social media, which is so
unattainable and frustrating when you're looking at it. Is it
so important for you to have that level of realness
with your audience?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You know, I got into social media very late. I
had already had three children. You know, it just it's
it's who I've always been. I think if you know me,
you know me and you know, like kind of half goofy,
half serious. I'm a Gemini, so I you know, I'll
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tell you what to do, how to do it, and
when to do it, even if it's unsolicited.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I'm married to a Gemini, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Oh God Lord help less. I think I've always been
that way. You know, my mom was that way. I
think that's why I started the podcast, because I had
so many women and we've now run our third year.
Like I would be like, okay, like what do you
really do? Right? Like, I'll tell you what I do,
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and I'll like I was like, oh, like you know,
and then like, oh I drink water or you know,
I sleep, you know, and you're just like that's not
really what you do? Right, Like why won't you share
what you do? I know you do do something that
you do, but you won't tell me. I've never again,
I've never been like a gatekeeper. I've never been I've
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always been like tears this, try that, What do you
think about that?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I love that kind of a woman. I love it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
That's where it lives to go. And m actually came
from I do it with my best friend who lives
in New Jersey. She's a shopping addiction. She does. She
says it's R and D, but she's amazing, and we
literally talk like you and I are talking right. I
went to Cabo. God, it was like four years ago
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for probably the last time we'd all kind of been together.
We still haven't really been together since, but and we'd
all come down in the morning and I'll be like, oh,
I got this, what do you think about that? It
was like a morning chat. And out of that is
really where the ethos the idea for lipstick on the rim,
because it's just that like kind of like inside scoop.
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But you know, I am who I am. I think
it would be too much work for me to try
to pretend that I'm not like this. Yes, to be
really dreadful. But yeah, no, I think I don't know.
I just think I've always been like this.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You're just authentic.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I try to be I try to be transparent. I
think you know. Listen, you learn a lot as your twenties,
your thirties or forties or fifties. I think you know,
I don't need a hundred pennies as long as you
know I've got four quarters. Like I think, I invest
in the bank with my my group, my people, my community,
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my peers, my friends. I think you have to write,
but you also have to invest in them. They'll invest
in you right back. Because guess what, the ship is
going to hit the fan. Let me tell you, for
all of us, for all of us, it's gonna hit
you know, for me?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I do I get that sense to on your social
that you have a lot of really strong, beautiful women
in your life.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I do.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I do A friend? Are you to other people?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
What role do you take on with your friends?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh? Lord, I'm like the I'm like the cruise director.
You know, I'm I'm the cruise director. I definitely have
an innate ability of bringing people together. It is my superpower.
I'm like a fucking vault I can really keep a secret.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
But I expect my friends to actually keep a secret
as well. Well, yeah, I'm the one who kind of
like brings us all together. I think I've invested as
much as they're invested. So I look at what we're doing,
how we can be together, how we can pull it off,
like you know. And it's very hard because I remember
someone saying to me, I won't name my girlfriend. She goes,
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who are all these people? We were in Morocco I
celebrated my fifty and she's great, she's great. I'm like, well,
her name's Annie. I was like, Annie, I don't just
have people, you know, I don't just have friends from
the West Side. I lived in Europe, I lived in
New York, I lived in London, I lived in France,
I lived you know, this is a culmination of, you know,
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so many years of my life. And that's that's with
my friends too. I mean, I have my mom friends,
I have my my europe friends. I have my ride
or die who know, you know everything, you know more
than they want to know.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Do you keep each of those friendships kind of like
compartmentalized in their own boxes. Yeah, for this fiftieth. It
sounds like you brought all the books together.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, and it was so fun because we're all so different,
and you know, it was really important to me that,
you know, I didn't just celebrate my fiftieth year. I
celebrated a culmination of all those years and friendships. And
you know my girlfriend from Australia who I I met
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her on a casting calle. She was sitting on the
floor and she spoke English, right. We lived together for
three years after that.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
It's so great when you because I'm kind of like
that too. Like I have my parent friends, my mom friends,
I have my personal friend, I have my work friends.
I have my friends and my daughters. But I love
bringing them all together and like seeing who meshes and
how there's that like through thread.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah. Like two of my girlfriend just visited me and
we were college roommates at Vanderbilt. She has spent spring
break with me for her with her two girls. She's
doing showing my legal counsel for my company wise and
she said something. She goes, Okay, well I'm gonna go
out to lunch with Andrey and Stacey and Robin. I'm like, well,
she was like, yeah, no, you can't go. I already
checked your schedule. I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Wait, what about me?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I was like what I mean? But she made like
they all became close in my features, Like that's what
I mean. Like, it's it's great when you can And
I'm very much a connector like I you know, it's
actually one of my biggest pet peeves, not inclusivity. I
like to be exclusive to everyone. I am a real
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I'm not clique. I was never clicking in school, definitely
never clicking in college, and so I actually really do
want my friends to be friends separate to me.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, it's more fun, it's it's fine cool when the
world's come. Do you believe in a best friend? You
have like one best friend? Because I'm I've always struggled
with that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I have two. I have Emma sn Michelle, I do.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Okay, and you're like to your other friends, listen, I
have two best friends and you're not one of them.
Because I always feel so weird.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Like different people fill different buckets. So right, like you
know what I get from Michelle, I don't get from
Ama Shaw, what I get from Emmasha, I don't get
from Megan or I don't get from me me or
I don't get from you know, certain women, right, like
and I fulfill certain buckets in their lives, right, you know,
we just so happen, you know with Amasha with the podcast.
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You know, we went through some pretty gnarly medical things together,
and you know that that bonds you in different ways. Right,
But knowing you know, someone knowing me since I was seventeen, Yeah,
there's value in that as well.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Oh sure, those long standing relationships are so valuable. Yeah
for me, Like if you have a long standing relationship
or even a short term one, just like in real
love relationships, there are sometimes gups.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, we broke up. I literally emission and
I got into like such and it was over the dumbest,
like the dumbest thing, Like literally she would like send
me like fake Chanelle tights for me to engage because
I'm like, no, I you know, I always blow it
off and I never asked for anything, but I needed
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her to do something. It had to do with work,
and I'm like, She's like I can't. I was like,
I really need you to do this for me. Long
story short, it didn't work out. She sucked her gun,
she didn't come and you know, I was upset, Like
I from where I sat, this meant something to me
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and I have no fucking boundaries, which I'm trying as
a fifty one year old woman, but I really like
it bothered me. And you know, first month, I was like,
I miss her, but I'm like going to try to
like make her realize, like, you know, this really hurt
my feelings, right, she didn't mean to. But finally, you know,
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after like three fake Tionelle types, I'm like, I really
need these.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Let's Gavin, that's okay because it sounded alike you both
had a very strong position.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, and listen, I had a situation the other day, like,
you know, I called one of my friends. I'm like,
you're freaking certifiable. You need to be in a white jacket.
I love you, but you need to be locked up
for at least a month. But you know, I'm very straightforward.
You know you're never gonna like if we argue. You
know that I'm a gem and I hold on to nothing.
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I'm not I'm not scorpio, I'm not not like I
don't know, I don't I let it go. And that's
the biggest thing I think when women always talk to
me about friendship, like let it go. Like, it's not
that you're not boundaried. It's not that you're oh my god,
it's going against your soul. But is it like you
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know at the end to make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, you said before that you're working on boundaries. I
need to know more about this. Why why do you
not have boundaries in your life or do you feel
like you could use more? I mean, Jenny, yes, Like
what do you mean boundaries? Like wear all my clothes,
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you can take whatever you want from my closet to
trip someone.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I'll just figure it out. I'll you know, I'll get
like I get my cup, run runneth over. I just
get really kind of drained from like you know, like
I was just on a zoom with my team and
I had two people on the zoom with me texting me.
I'm like, ladies, it comes on my computer or my
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phone whatever. I'm like, I'm on with you do when
I'm and they're texting me, You're like, oh, we're sorry.
I was like, I probably already have ADHD. I don't
need it, like, you know, just like setting up boundaries
and access and trying to do it all and be
it all and really you know, and I think sometimes
when you are labeled that cruise director and you feel
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you feel feel like you you feel that in certain
people's lives, I think sometimes people get offended, like I'm
I'm just stepping back because I'm tired, or you know,
starting this company and having the podcast and my production company.
It's definitely, you know, I started this ship during COVID.
(15:44):
You're an actress, producer can mean like you have to
do so many things because nothing ever works right, like
or what you bet on. You know, you're like, this
is gonna this is gonna work, right. You have to
have so many things going. It's not you're like poor, right,
Like I just finished kind of Pregnant for Netflix. I
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worked on it for four and a half years for
no money, like h but that didn't you know again,
I'm not saying I just I mean in terms of boundaries.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
That are you good at saying no?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I'm terrible at saying no, But I know that I
know means a yes for something else. I will say
that COVID definitely, you know, it helped me. It did
help me. It helped me kind of pull back. It
helps me get really focused on what I want to
do and not to do. But yeah, boundaries are really
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hard and I'm trying, Like even with em the show,
like she was like, what's wrong with you? Right, like
normally like it's fine, It's okay. I'll just I'll just
figure it out. I'll find okay she can co host,
Like I'll just figure it out. I don't know, but
some things like at one point, like no, I do
invest in this relationship and this is abound that is
important to me and you need to respect it. And
(17:02):
like if me like just kind of making you figure
out that sometimes I had to I have, I have
to do it like I've I've I've taken I took
a pause with a friend for five months. And look,
at the end of the day, everybody comes at a
situation differently. That's when I try to tell my kids.
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Try to what I say to me, how I enter
a conversation, what shoes I wear to enter it are
different than the person that I'm with, right, So you know.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, I mean speaking of shoes. It feels like women
like us were both kind of on a similar path.
We came up in the nineties. I feel things have
changed so much in female friendships from the nineties till now.
I don't think that women were as apt to build
one another up and support. It's much more competitive. This
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is what I'm trying to say. In the world that
I grew up in, did you feel that way?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Of course? I mean it was like the other model
is gonna slit your wrists, right like she's gonna like
she gonna like Tanya Harding what I mean, like, yeah, no,
it was definitely. I mean I think that's where I did,
you know, not single white female per se, but I
had a couple of girls that, like my writer dies
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because that's really all I had, right like, And it
was super competitive. And you know, I think for someone
like me, my armor is so like thick. Now I've
been told I'm fat, I'm ugly, I'm too tall, I'm
not tall enough, I'm too blonde. I heard it how dark,
my nose is crooked, my cats are fat, arms are fat. Like,
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there's not a lot that had. The other day someone
say to me from my PR team that I needed
to do my teeth right. I'm like, that wasn't what
I was expecting, right Like. It wasn't a criticism, it
was just feed. But there's not a lot of there's
not a lot that people can tell me that. I'm like, eh,
like really ruffle me, because at twenty one I got ruffled.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah. I think when you come up on your own
in this industry, you get real thick skin.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
You do.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
And that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It is.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It can be a great thing to encloy ourselves. Yes,
especially as entrepreneurs now later in life building your own brand.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, and also not having fomo right Like I you know,
I was telling one of my employees just had a baby,
and she's like, Jesus, really know why, I really know why?
Mom can get content's gonna work three months old. And
then I'm like, I know it's different, right, Like it's
different than what my momming. Being a mom is very
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different than what the idea of momming. Right. You're you're
in charge of a soul. You're in charge of keeping.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Someone al that's a big responsibility.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, I do think. Listen, it's hard, but it's a
great it's a great. Resilience is a great thing. I
always say, you know, they're road bumps. There are small
little bumps in the road, you know what I mean.
And you come in and you come out. I think
I've done a pretty good job of, you know, when
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I'm down coming back up. I think that's been a
little bit of a superpower that, you know, because I've
had to right. I think for you as well, you've
been on the highest of highs, the most popular girl
in the world, not even globally, right, and then on
the lowest of low you know, and not that that
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can take its toll, but it also, I don't know,
it goes good into your next chapter.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, really teaches you about your strength, like at your core,
what you're capable of. And I think also it teaches
you to not be afraid of reinvention, because, like you said,
sometimes you're way up and sometimes you're way down. And
when you're way down, it's really hard to think about
climbing back out of that hole.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I know, but that's it's really hard. But that's what
you do, and that's I was. I never finished it,
but I was kind of writing my third book and
I put it to the side to start the podcast,
and it was kind of tentatively labeled Unstuck. How do
you get in? How do you get out? Right? Because
a lot of times being neutral is the death of
you right. It's better to either be really really messy
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sometimes so you can figure it out and you can
go forward. I think a lot of times women get
stuck trying just to make the decision right. It's what
I always say, go to Vegas and bet is it black?
Is it red? But you got a bet right. Sometimes
it's gonna work and sometimes it's not. And I'm always like,
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you can reinvent yourself. You've just got to bet on it.
You've just got to go in and you've got to
figure it out. And some of it's gonna work and
some of it's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It's just like love, Like if you want to have
love in your life, you have to risk heartbreak, and
if you want to have success in your life, you
have to risk failure.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And bothbody loves the money night. Nobody loves the money night. Quarterback, right.
I mean, it's hard to put yourself out there. It's hard.
I remember that. I remember where I was when I
April twenty fifth, twenty twenty three, we launched wise. I
can remember I almost thought I was going to have
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a panic attack. There was something that something with Instagram,
the algorithm was like and we did like a I
don't even know, but I had like two hundred, like
two hundred people looked at him like, wait, something's something's
got to be wrong. But I literally silently inside Schaeffer
and I like, I'm like, shapeer, what the fuck? What
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is happening? Like I don't know. Long story short, I
was like, this is probably not gonna work, right, Like,
I'm like, this is this is why now I'm gonna work.
You've got to hang on. It's like what I said,
I was on a finance call before this. Sorry, guys,
if you're listening, that's my ice machine next to me
making all the noise that I'm gonna have a lot
of ice by the end of this podcast. I was
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I was on a finance call before, and it's like,
put in your seatbelt, pull down your oxygen, masks. Folks,
you're like the pilot of the plane and here we go.
It's like the roller coaster of your life.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Right, how do you feel assuming that position, like in
a big meeting like that, like when you are basically
the founder and the CEO of the company the brand?
Was that a natural transition for you as a model,
an actress, a producer, then to start your own brand.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, I mean I think it's kind of why I
wanted to. I think, you know, I've always been the
girl modeling the lemonade or the juice, right, so I'm
the girl who comes in at the end, like this
juice is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I want that juice.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You did a great job.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Thank you. You know, it was really important to me
at you know, a certain point in my life that
I you know, I just I wanted to be a
part of something from inception, not just at the end.
And I think, you know, I love my kids, and
I love my books that I read, but to be
part to see something through and with the production company,
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something happy. It happened off of a fluke, right like
I was writing a I was writing a second book.
I needed two organizers. I found a cold called these
women on Instagram called the Home Edit Cleia and Joanna.
It happened very organically. I'm like, I don't really pay
people for content. I don't even know like what this is,
(24:55):
but if you want to come out, I'll use it
and you can use the content. They're like done. They
were in my pantry, arguing, laughing, killing each other, and
like I said to my husband outside I'm like, these
two bitches could I mean, they could have their own show,
Like I don't even know what's going on in there.
And they came out and I was like, I know
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this is gonna sound weird, but I think you always
really have something. I'm not an organizer, but anyway, I
helped them get an agent. We sold it to Reese Witherspoon.
We re got it back recent I figured it out,
we got it back, we sold it to Netflix. And
that's kind of how my own producing and I would
always read for my husband. Then I, you know, just
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kept reading. I don't know, like I always wanted to
be part of something, and I always felt like which
I would have come up with that idea or And
I was always really good at I'm still good at.
I'm still good at like spotting people trends, like I'm
(26:06):
good with like, eh, that's gonna work, right, Like even
if like they're like that is not gonna work, That's
gonna work. K eighteen. I got a little thing in
the mail from Australia. It was called Kate Hair Prep.
Some sample. I don't even know. I d m the company.
I'm like, I really like your sample. They're like oh,
(26:26):
we're in the middle of a restructure. We're renaming our company.
I was like, okay, whatever, I don't even look at samples.
This was like this month K eighteen, you know, biggest
one of the biggest investments partnerships I ever did. I'm
good at that, but I don't know. I wanted. I
wanted something on my own. And that's how Wise came about.
I had a skin problem and I looked at the
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white space and like, why is everything that's really ugly
and derm and really strong and fucks with your barrier?
And then why is everything else cool and fun but
doesn't really have the effica see for someone like me.
It's given me a lot of pride to answer your question.
It has given me. I've pulled from every part of
(27:13):
my life. I've pulled from taking chances and being like
this is never gonna work. To fake it till you
make it. We're amazing, right. I think my girlfriend sent
me this. She sent me this this text the other day,
(27:36):
and it was like, you are going to win because
you're an absolute psychopath. No one can keep up with
you know, you have to kind of like believe. And
I think, yeah, I've pulled from sports, being on a team,
potting people together. First thing I ask is how to
well do you work with people? Are you a team player?
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Do you give grace with other people? Would you buy
them a coffee if you're standing in line? I asked
the weirdest questions during an interview. But yes, very long answer,
but I've pulled from every aspect of my life.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
You said Fluke before, do you feel like, having come
from modeling and acting and known to be a beautiful
supermodel blonde, do you feel like when women start their
own business, especially with somebody with your history, do you
feel like they are less apt to take you seriously?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Did you ever well? I mean when that's whole my
whole life, right, Like I was a code hanger, right,
I was someone who you know, they didn't know I was.
I went to Vanderbilt, I was a name, I was
a number. I put on tennis shoes, walk two miles,
flipped through my book, didn't even make eye contact with me.
Very disrespectful thanks by. You know, I've always tried to
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prove myself. No one really even knows. It's my audition
for Las Vegas with Gary Scott Thompson. I was like Okay,
I want to be taken serious. Okay, so I didn't
wear any makeup. I think I wore like like a
flip flop sandle a T shirt and jeans and listen.
Gary was amazing, but he called my agent. He was like,
(29:21):
does she want to like do that? Does she want
to be pretty? Like? Does she? I just wanted people
to take me serious, right, So that's that lives in me.
Whether I start a company at fifty, whether I start
something at forty, I think it lives in most women.
It's like what do you got to what do you
have to prove? Right Like? For me, you know, that
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has always been likeugh, you're just pretty. You're not You're
not smart, You're you're pretty. Oh sweetie, bless her heart,
bless her heart. So listen. That will always forever be
with me. You know, when someone tells me no, I
turn it into a yes. You know. It's just that's
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how I've always had to exist from right like, otherwise
I'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, everybody else is going to call your shots and
point to your trajectory rather than you doing what you
want to be doing and taking that risk like we
talked about before, and it is.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Hard to take that risk. A lot of people, you know,
we put down. Like I was reading this whole thing
on Tom Brady and I'm like, good lord, how could
you put him down? He's like, it's nine Champion, super
Bowl whatever people are going to I don't know what it's.
I don't know it, but I'm just saying it's very,
very hard to put yourself out there and anything that
you do. And that's why sometimes with Instagram or you know,
(30:45):
with TikTok or with social I think the takedown is
so brutal, and so I find it truly awful that
what some women have to deal with, it's what I
have to deal with. I'm like, well, you know, I'm
instagram away from getting canceled, you know, because I'm like, oh,
you're gonna make somebody mad. You.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I love the way you do put stuff out there
that is against the norm of like parenting, like the
proper parenting perspective at a kid opinion. You know, you
lay it out there because it's real, like what you're
dealing with. You have three kids. I have three kids.
We know it's the best and the worst job you
could ever yes.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Of course, and it's like, you know, someone said to
me like, oh, don't let them know. You know, you
have seventy four passy fairies. I'm like, like, I really
don't think he's going to go to college with it.
So you know, maybe he did it a little longer
and we're gonna have some bad teeth. But you know,
I try to put things in perspective and to meet
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each kid where they are and to not be judged
because I do helicopter. I want to know where they
are when they are, you know, and I'm trying to
go against it.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I love that you're an admitted helicopter. She too, I'm too.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I don't call it helicopter, per se. I call it.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, what's another a better?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
What was it? Funny? It was so funny. It was like,
I am a mom who advocates. I'm an advocating mom.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
That sounds professional, but I do know.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I get in there with them, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
What how old your oldest twelve? Twelve?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okayah, Because he was like the other day he was like, Mom,
I'm pretty sure I have hair. And I was like,
She's like, you gotta look, and I was like, let
me get my glasses. You know, I'm like, I think
I think I see a hair, right, like, you know,
my so of my friends would be mortified. Like again
(32:47):
it's everybody's like He's like, he doesn't care. I don't care.
But yes, I was like, I think I see a hair. Listen,
that will change very quickly, right, it's just you know development,
it's it's where you were going. But it was pretty sweet.
He's like, do you see anything? I think I see someone,
you know? Like it was just really sweet. And you know,
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some people are like, oh my god, you're crazy, but
who cares. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Well, yeah, enjoy that openness now. It's great that they
and you know what I had always had people tell me, oh,
look out, you know, you have three daughters and they're
going to turn into teenagers someday and then you know
you're gonna have so much trouble. And I would always say,
you don't know me, you don't know my family. I
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don't need to take that advice on because I don't.
I don't believe in it, Like I feel like I
can do it however I want, and that sort of
seems how you're doing it too, which is yeawful.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I mean, one couple of them, I end up in prison.
But my mean we're you know, we're we're no, no, no,
I'm being funny, but no, I definitely listen. I do.
I speak to an amazing therapist Broun when Charlton she's
with the Liza Pressman. They have an incredible company. Yeah,
I I do listen. I do listen to the older moms.
(34:09):
Like we got to interview Jonathan Hay, you know about
being a helicopter mom. It's the worst guy to me,
you know, and him being like, let him go to
CHIPOTLEI like, I always think of him because we moved
west of the Palisades and there's a little ice cream
shop and I'm like, I'm gonna let him go to
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the ice cream shop on his own walk there no
social no iPhone, no contact. He's gonna go and I'm
not gonna know where he is. Like, but I will
say my older mom friends have actually helped me because
you kind of learn and you see what they do, right, Like,
do you let them, you know, go here? Do you
let them take an uber? Do you let them have
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a phone. We don't have phones or anything yet, but
listen it all, there's no right way. There's there's no
one way.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
No, isn't. It's whatever works for you. It's whatever works,
and I don't really care what other people think of
whatever works for me. I know it's kind of you
have to go about it. What's the okay having these
this age bracket kids and a marriage, happy marriage, you
have a profession, you're very you know, you're you're diversified.
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Let's say, do you ever lie to your kids?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I love that, not a pause.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yes, you know I do. I lie per se. I'm
very careful of meeting them where they are. I did
mess up with my twelve year old, and I learned listen.
It was a moment. It was during COVID Kobe had
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passed away. He asked me I could not tell him
about the daughter about his I could not, and he
he was so offended. He was like, I can't believe everybody. No,
like you didn't tell me. I honestly could not tell him.
I was so emotional. But I learned that a certain
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level of honesty is really important with these kids. They
want to know that you're telling them. So it's not
that I per se lie, but I tell them where
what they need to know based on where they are right.
If something is bad that they don't need to know it.
Why would I put that on them? Now, other people
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would say opposite, and that is to each his own.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
But it's kind of hard to differentiate between what is
out of their you know, not age appropriate for them.
It's are about especially now. I mean you said your
kids don't have phones yet, so they're not on the
social media. But like just the news, just if they
walk in the room and the news is on, They're
being exposed to so much.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It's tricky. That's why we don't have the news on anymore, Jinny.
In our own I love UNBC, the Today Show, and
I love CBS, but we don't have it on because
they listen. Yeah, listen. I'm on the cusp of everybody
knowing everything because there is access, and like it was
interesting even with the election. Brooks would be like, oh,
I know that about Trump or oh I know that
(37:19):
about Biden, and I was, yeah, they know, they know
more than you think. They know that. I've learned any
you know, the second grader, he's gonna put me over.
He's like, you know, he told the sixth grader the
other day he didn't think her presentation was very good.
And then she wasn't going to win president. I'm like, listen,
(37:40):
Mark Cuban on your what are you Mark Cuban on
Church Tank? You know what I mean? Like, who are you?
Here's my poor husband right there. Hi, by the way,
just so you know, he's wearing my Wise eyebatches. Just
for the record, people always good, he doesn't and he does.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Wait, I want to talk to you about Wise. You'll
have your own beauty brand, Wise, which I spelled why
s e.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Y se beauty Wise to be wise, to know something
you didn't know before.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I love that. I think there's just such a huge
misconception out there about when people like you and I
start brands and companies that were not working hard, but
it just hops like because of our name or whatever. Like, girl,
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tell us how many?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Tell us?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
How many knows you got? Like to how what have
been your biggest obstacles to get into Wise?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Oh? I mean everything everything starts with no yeah until
I turn it into a yes.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
How do you turn things into a yes? Like that?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Why? I just don't stop. I mean, I just I
just accept it. I'm just like, oh, well, I'll figure it.
I'll come back to you right Like there was a
paid agency I really wanted, and there were like this
one famous business woman, she's amazing. She was like, they're
never going to take you. And I was like, oh really.
I was like, you think so, and I was like
(39:05):
it just bothered me and bothered me and bothered me.
I was like, oh, yes they will. I don't know.
I pivot, I work really hard. I'm big picture, so important,
I'm good under pressure. I find the positive and a
lot probably the best thing about me. And I was
(39:28):
saying this to a CFO a few minutes ago, I go,
but I listen, I listen, I don't. I think a
lot of founders put people around them that they want
them to say yes to, like they want to hear yes.
I put people around me who are smarter than me,
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who challenge me, who go against me. I think that's
a little more like. My mom was like that. My
dad was like that, a little left of center. I
don't want to be the CEO of my company. I
should not be the zaman. I can act like it
in every form, but I need someone to be smarter
(40:10):
than me and no more than me.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah. I think for me that was so important too,
and recognizing that I want to be surrounded by people
that are better than me, smarter than me, more accomplished
than me.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
You know, I think too, like from modeling to hosting,
to acting to producing to you know, being an entrepreneur.
I will say, and maybe it's a gem and I
and me, but I'm honestly really curious. Like when we
have livest on the rim and we'll have like a
Jonathan hate like Emasen, I will be taking pages of notes, right,
(40:48):
you know, when she's doing her spring must have I'm like, girl,
like I don't even know what her spring, but like
I'm taking I'm actually genuinely curious. And I think it
helps to be curious, absolutely, to be curious, to have passion,
and to believe that those are really important things.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, to believe in yourself so important. I love that
message that you you put out there.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
And you know, to work with like, you know, I
think the hardest thing for me starting a company is that,
you know, when you when you're in startup mode, it's
very different. You're like, oh, the people who start with
you won't end with you. And I'm like, well, of
course you're going to end with me, Like where are
they going to go?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
You know?
Speaker 2 (41:33):
When you soon realize that you know, you're different objectives
and where you need to be, whether it's retail, wholesale,
different needs of the company, and and that that's been
a little like stomach churning for me to be able
to make those decisions and to leave people that I
really enjoyed working with.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
It's hard, that's hard to do.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, it's such a loyal person. Oh girl, I'm so low.
I'm long, but I'm getting better. I'm getting better, and
I'm trying to be boundaried. And you know they're always like, well,
you don't have to be on the exit. I was like, no,
I do.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
It's important.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's important to me right now and if
I can still handle it later on, it's important to me.
Like I think how you start and how you you know,
how you wind is a lot of times better than
how you start.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
You know, absolutely learning so much along the way you have.
I feel like after fifty you're just like going off,
like you're really coming into your own somehow. I know
I feel like that with myself, but I feel that
from you, and I love watching you. I think your
social media is hilarious. You make me chuckle. You're just
(42:50):
killing it. I'm just really happy for you.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Thank you, You're back at you girl. I mean, you know,
I think it's you know, my invention is a really
hard thing, right because I'm not the twenty five year
old Victoria Secrets model that walks you know, I'm just
I'm not that girl right between us. Like, yes, of
course it's it's fun to go back and reminisce, but yeah,
(43:16):
I don't really want to be that girl anymore, you know,
but it is it's very hard to reinvent. It's very
hard to you know, I think with the company. You know,
I had a massive skin color malasma, hyperpigmentation. So it
was something that I was organically trying to figure out
(43:37):
myself because I was so insecure with my skin and
you know, coming from this world where everything depends on
what you look like, you know, having those years in
my forties having to not be baked per se, but
definitely being specific about the sun and pregnancy and hormones
(43:58):
and you know, patches, and just figuring out the mess
that I had created and getting out of that that
really took a toll on my psyche, right because you know,
you kind of I kind of had led with what
I look like, right, and so you know, then you're pregnant,
then you're going into the hospital at two hundred and
four pounds, and then you have a thyrop problem, and
(44:19):
then you have a skill like life starts to get
very layered, shall I say? But yeah, reinvention. You know,
I think for anyone listening be okay with change, you know. Yeah,
it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Before I let you go, though, I have to ask you,
Molly Sims, what was your last I choose me moment?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I think I choose It's gonna even cry, It's okay.
I think instead of I choose me, I chose us.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
What does that mean to you?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Just having that, you know, the beginning of being able
to say no to things, to say yes to us,
to say yes to me, to I choose me to.
You know, that's not going to really work for me
right now. And those are really hard words because I
love I'm from the South. I love to please everyone. Yeah,
(45:21):
and you know I've lost some friends along the way
because I really couldn't do any more than what I
was doing. You know. I think with COVID, the fires,
you know, losing my mom and dad, I cautiously had
(45:45):
to take a step back to choose me.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, how does that feel?
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I mean uncomfortable? You know really, you know, I you know,
I love when people be like, oh, she's not going
to do that. Like Michael, who's my publicist on this
podcast listening right now, He's like, you know what, she's
going to not do it right now, We're going to
revisit this, and like I was like, oh God, I
thank you, thank you for saying that, you know, like
(46:14):
just really trying to choose me, right, like having people
around me that help me choose me because if not,
I'm like, you know, I'll just be like, oh I'll
help you do okay, Yeah, no worries, just call me.
I'll interview like oh, well, you know I but at
choosing me has been a life saver in a lot
of ways because there's only so much I can do.
(46:35):
I have to be there for my kids. I only
have so much band with. But it takes a lot
of honesty, right, it takes a lot of And I
used to do this as like when I would work
and come like I'm sure you did, when you would
come off a show, or you'd come off a stint,
or you'd come off you know, six weeks, ten weeks,
(46:56):
three months, you know, because you did network television, so
you were on what twenty three twenty four episodes. It
was yearly, year round, right, So when you go on
those marathon runs and you stop, it's like, hey, you
don't even know what to do with yourself. No, and
b you know, for you then you had three young
(47:17):
girls with Peter and both of your like, it just
it gets crazy. Yeah, it's crazy, and then life happens
on top of it. So I think I choose me.
I've chosen me. I choose me in those moments because
I have to do.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
You feel like it's you choosing to reconnect with yourself
and your truth instead.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Of yeah, yeah, we just level it out, we least
balance it, we balance it out, We kind of start
back to zero, you know. I did I do acupuncture
and I'm like, girl, I was like, I don't know,
I can't sleep anymore. I'm like sweat and like and
I was like, you know all the things that you're
(48:04):
going through, and I was like, I was like, You've
got to help me. I'm like, I just can't sleep. Literally,
like in thirty seconds, she left my room. I was like,
I was like snoring right, Like I just needed someone
to like just call me. That has been really good
for me in my sense of just sense of getting
back grounded and just have it again. That's an hour
(48:28):
and fifteen minutes just for me. I took a walk
the other day and I'm like, I'm not going to
go to that sports thing and they were so upseting.
What do you mean, what do you mean you're not
gonna go. I'm like, kids, Mom's gonna take a walk
and I'm not gonna call you. I'm not gonna talk
(48:49):
to you. I don't don't care how you do. I'm
just gonna go take a walk. You know. But those
check ins are important.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, you got to listen to your needs. You gotta
put yourself first some time. And I'm so happy to
hear that you're doing that because it's vital.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Thank you for being very amazing. I love you. We
love your path. I sit to the kids and I'm
like getting to talk to Kelly today, you know, because
they my kids. You're obsessed with anything nineties, I mean,
obsess so fun. It's so fun to go back and
to you know, see it with them. My girlfriend was
(49:25):
just here. She did miss congeniality. She was Miss Texas
and Scirl that was like the redheaded one. Oh yes,
and she was like, you're miss Texas. It's just so cute.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I love that they know about the nineties.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Good job, oh yeah girl, the nineties.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Or everything, the best of the best. Well, I'm going
to let you go. I want you to have a
great day.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm just happy that you're
okay and through this you likewise, you know crazy time
that we're all in right now, and from our mouth
to God's ears, we're all going to be okay.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, because we've got each other.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
We do. You're the best. We love you.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Thanks Molly. Bye.
You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi, everyone,
welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about
the choices we make and where they lead us. You guys,
this podcast has been so incredible in so many different ways.
I love this podcast. I can't say it enough. One
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of the best things about doing this podcast is that
I get to connect with inspirational women that are blazing
their own trails, and we get to have these incredibly
deep conversations that leave me feeling inspired and I know
leave all of you feeling fired up as well. And
that's what it's all about. My guest today is a
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model an actress. She is the founder of the beauty
brand Wise Beauty and has her own female focused production company.
She's also the host of the podcast Lipstick on the Rim.
Please welcome Molly Simms to the Oh my gosh, I
think maybe correct me if I'm wrong, because I have
a terrible, terrible memory problem. Is this the first time
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we're meeting?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You know? I mean it's not for me like I
grew up with your poster in my room. But no,
I think maybe, like many moons, like maybe fifteen years ago,
I met you and your ex husband. Okay, but I
but I don't know where. But yeah, you were always
(01:29):
so you're just always so light and refreshing and fun
and you're Jenny Garth. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I'm so glad to finally like have a chat with you.
This is so good, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
And you know, I you know, we're both moms and
many children, and yes, you know we're mom and we're
moment we're working moms.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We are. We were meant to have this conversation a
few months ago, but you know, we both know that
our communities here in Los Angeles were turned upside down
and we had to both, I believe, evacuate our homes.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I think we were scheduled to be together on the
seventh of Janus. Yes, I know. It's uh yeah, we're
still evacuated. I'm about fifty five minutes outside of LA
now with my family. Our school made it, my house
made it. I'm hoping to get back in within the
next month. But I actually I got the nerve to
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go to go into the village, into the palisades, and
oh my gosh, it was so heart wrenching and so
devastating just to really see it up close, to really
you know, not through a picture, through social or through
TV like to really try to experience it. It was
(02:47):
gut wrenching. I have to say, have you driven through
Altadena or the Palisades yet? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I actually just went to Altadena last night to go
to a restaurant over there, and it was just somber.
It's real hard to see in person.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I know. I think for me, I kept putting it
off and putting it off because I just didn't want
to feel any more than I was already feeling. But
I'm so glad I did it. Like, I'm so glad
I on the prize. We can do this. We have
incredible communities and people, and you know, I'm really I
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don't know. As much as it made me super super saded,
also it gave me a lot of hope, and I've
never seen communities pulled together more.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I know. I mean, if there's an upside, that's it
for sure. But yeah, what, I'm glad we're finally talking regardless.
You know, one of the things that I admire the
most about you is through your platforms, your socials, your podcasts,
everything you do, you really keep it real with your audience.
And that's how I am. I think so many women
(04:06):
and moms are so attached to this picture perfect life
that they put out on social media, which is so
unattainable and frustrating when you're looking at it. Is it
so important for you to have that level of realness
with your audience?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You know, I got into social media very late. I
had already had three children. You know, it just it's
it's who I've always been. I think if you know me,
you know me and you know, like kind of half goofy,
half serious. I'm a Gemini, so I you know, I'll
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tell you what to do, how to do it, and
when to do it, even if it's unsolicited.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I'm married to a Gemini, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Oh God Lord help less. I think I've always been
that way. You know, my mom was that way. I
think that's why I started the podcast, because I had
so many women and we've now run our third year.
Like I would be like, okay, like what do you
really do? Right? Like, I'll tell you what I do,
(05:08):
and I'll like I was like, oh, like you know,
and then like, oh I drink water or you know,
I sleep, you know, and you're just like that's not
really what you do? Right, Like why won't you share
what you do? I know you do do something that
you do, but you won't tell me. I've never again,
I've never been like a gatekeeper. I've never been I've
(05:29):
always been like tears this, try that, What do you
think about that?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I love that kind of a woman. I love it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
That's where it lives to go. And m actually came
from I do it with my best friend who lives
in New Jersey. She's a shopping addiction. She does. She
says it's R and D, but she's amazing, and we
literally talk like you and I are talking right. I
went to Cabo. God, it was like four years ago
(05:57):
for probably the last time we'd all kind of been together.
We still haven't really been together since, but and we'd
all come down in the morning and I'll be like, oh,
I got this, what do you think about that? It
was like a morning chat. And out of that is
really where the ethos the idea for lipstick on the rim,
because it's just that like kind of like inside scoop.
(06:18):
But you know, I am who I am. I think
it would be too much work for me to try
to pretend that I'm not like this. Yes, to be
really dreadful. But yeah, no, I think I don't know.
I just think I've always been like this.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You're just authentic.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I try to be I try to be transparent. I
think you know. Listen, you learn a lot as your twenties,
your thirties or forties or fifties. I think you know,
I don't need a hundred pennies as long as you
know I've got four quarters. Like I think, I invest
in the bank with my my group, my people, my community,
(06:58):
my peers, my friends. I think you have to write,
but you also have to invest in them. They'll invest
in you right back. Because guess what, the ship is
going to hit the fan. Let me tell you, for
all of us, for all of us, it's gonna hit
you know, for me?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I do I get that sense to on your social
that you have a lot of really strong, beautiful women
in your life.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I do.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I do A friend? Are you to other people?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
What role do you take on with your friends?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh? Lord, I'm like the I'm like the cruise director.
You know, I'm I'm the cruise director. I definitely have
an innate ability of bringing people together. It is my superpower.
I'm like a fucking vault I can really keep a secret.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
But I expect my friends to actually keep a secret
as well. Well, yeah, I'm the one who kind of
like brings us all together. I think I've invested as
much as they're invested. So I look at what we're doing,
how we can be together, how we can pull it off,
like you know. And it's very hard because I remember
someone saying to me, I won't name my girlfriend. She goes,
(08:19):
who are all these people? We were in Morocco I
celebrated my fifty and she's great, she's great. I'm like, well,
her name's Annie. I was like, Annie, I don't just
have people, you know, I don't just have friends from
the West Side. I lived in Europe, I lived in
New York, I lived in London, I lived in France,
I lived you know, this is a culmination of, you know,
(08:41):
so many years of my life. And that's that's with
my friends too. I mean, I have my mom friends,
I have my my europe friends. I have my ride
or die who know, you know everything, you know more
than they want to know.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Do you keep each of those friendships kind of like
compartmentalized in their own boxes. Yeah, for this fiftieth. It
sounds like you brought all the books together.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, and it was so fun because we're all so different,
and you know, it was really important to me that,
you know, I didn't just celebrate my fiftieth year. I
celebrated a culmination of all those years and friendships. And
you know my girlfriend from Australia who I I met
(09:23):
her on a casting calle. She was sitting on the
floor and she spoke English, right. We lived together for
three years after that.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
It's so great when you because I'm kind of like
that too. Like I have my parent friends, my mom friends,
I have my personal friend, I have my work friends.
I have my friends and my daughters. But I love
bringing them all together and like seeing who meshes and
how there's that like through thread.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah. Like two of my girlfriend just visited me and
we were college roommates at Vanderbilt. She has spent spring
break with me for her with her two girls. She's
doing showing my legal counsel for my company wise and
she said something. She goes, Okay, well I'm gonna go
out to lunch with Andrey and Stacey and Robin. I'm like, well,
she was like, yeah, no, you can't go. I already
checked your schedule. I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Wait, what about me?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I was like what I mean? But she made like
they all became close in my features, Like that's what
I mean. Like, it's it's great when you can And
I'm very much a connector like I you know, it's
actually one of my biggest pet peeves, not inclusivity. I
like to be exclusive to everyone. I am a real
(10:33):
I'm not clique. I was never clicking in school, definitely
never clicking in college, and so I actually really do
want my friends to be friends separate to me.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, it's more fun, it's it's fine cool when the
world's come. Do you believe in a best friend? You
have like one best friend? Because I'm I've always struggled
with that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I have two. I have Emma sn Michelle, I do.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Okay, and you're like to your other friends, listen, I
have two best friends and you're not one of them.
Because I always feel so weird.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Like different people fill different buckets. So right, like you
know what I get from Michelle, I don't get from
Ama Shaw, what I get from Emmasha, I don't get
from Megan or I don't get from me me or
I don't get from you know, certain women, right, like
and I fulfill certain buckets in their lives, right, you know,
we just so happen, you know with Amasha with the podcast.
(11:29):
You know, we went through some pretty gnarly medical things together,
and you know that that bonds you in different ways. Right,
But knowing you know, someone knowing me since I was seventeen, Yeah,
there's value in that as well.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Oh sure, those long standing relationships are so valuable. Yeah
for me, Like if you have a long standing relationship
or even a short term one, just like in real
love relationships, there are sometimes gups.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, we broke up. I literally emission and
I got into like such and it was over the dumbest,
like the dumbest thing, Like literally she would like send
me like fake Chanelle tights for me to engage because
I'm like, no, I you know, I always blow it
off and I never asked for anything, but I needed
(12:24):
her to do something. It had to do with work,
and I'm like, She's like I can't. I was like,
I really need you to do this for me. Long
story short, it didn't work out. She sucked her gun,
she didn't come and you know, I was upset, Like
I from where I sat, this meant something to me
(12:48):
and I have no fucking boundaries, which I'm trying as
a fifty one year old woman, but I really like
it bothered me. And you know, first month, I was like,
I miss her, but I'm like going to try to
like make her realize, like, you know, this really hurt
my feelings, right, she didn't mean to. But finally, you know,
(13:15):
after like three fake Tionelle types, I'm like, I really
need these.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Let's Gavin, that's okay because it sounded alike you both
had a very strong position.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, and listen, I had a situation the other day, like,
you know, I called one of my friends. I'm like,
you're freaking certifiable. You need to be in a white jacket.
I love you, but you need to be locked up
for at least a month. But you know, I'm very straightforward.
You know you're never gonna like if we argue. You
know that I'm a gem and I hold on to nothing.
(13:49):
I'm not I'm not scorpio, I'm not not like I
don't know, I don't I let it go. And that's
the biggest thing I think when women always talk to
me about friendship, like let it go. Like, it's not
that you're not boundaried. It's not that you're oh my god,
it's going against your soul. But is it like you
(14:09):
know at the end to make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, you said before that you're working on boundaries. I
need to know more about this. Why why do you
not have boundaries in your life or do you feel
like you could use more? I mean, Jenny, yes, Like
what do you mean boundaries? Like wear all my clothes,
(14:32):
you can take whatever you want from my closet to
trip someone.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I'll just figure it out. I'll you know, I'll get
like I get my cup, run runneth over. I just
get really kind of drained from like you know, like
I was just on a zoom with my team and
I had two people on the zoom with me texting me.
I'm like, ladies, it comes on my computer or my
(14:58):
phone whatever. I'm like, I'm on with you do when
I'm and they're texting me, You're like, oh, we're sorry.
I was like, I probably already have ADHD. I don't
need it, like, you know, just like setting up boundaries
and access and trying to do it all and be
it all and really you know, and I think sometimes
when you are labeled that cruise director and you feel
(15:22):
you feel feel like you you feel that in certain
people's lives, I think sometimes people get offended, like I'm
I'm just stepping back because I'm tired, or you know,
starting this company and having the podcast and my production company.
It's definitely, you know, I started this ship during COVID.
(15:44):
You're an actress, producer can mean like you have to
do so many things because nothing ever works right, like
or what you bet on. You know, you're like, this
is gonna this is gonna work, right. You have to
have so many things going. It's not you're like poor, right,
Like I just finished kind of Pregnant for Netflix. I
(16:05):
worked on it for four and a half years for
no money, like h but that didn't you know again,
I'm not saying I just I mean in terms of boundaries.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
That are you good at saying no?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I'm terrible at saying no, But I know that I
know means a yes for something else. I will say
that COVID definitely, you know, it helped me. It did
help me. It helped me kind of pull back. It
helps me get really focused on what I want to
do and not to do. But yeah, boundaries are really
(16:42):
hard and I'm trying, Like even with em the show,
like she was like, what's wrong with you? Right, like
normally like it's fine, It's okay. I'll just I'll just
figure it out. I'll find okay she can co host,
Like I'll just figure it out. I don't know, but
some things like at one point, like no, I do
invest in this relationship and this is abound that is
important to me and you need to respect it. And
(17:02):
like if me like just kind of making you figure
out that sometimes I had to I have, I have
to do it like I've I've I've taken I took
a pause with a friend for five months. And look,
at the end of the day, everybody comes at a
situation differently. That's when I try to tell my kids.
(17:23):
Try to what I say to me, how I enter
a conversation, what shoes I wear to enter it are
different than the person that I'm with, right, So you know.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, I mean speaking of shoes. It feels like women
like us were both kind of on a similar path.
We came up in the nineties. I feel things have
changed so much in female friendships from the nineties till now.
I don't think that women were as apt to build
one another up and support. It's much more competitive. This
(18:00):
is what I'm trying to say. In the world that
I grew up in, did you feel that way?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Of course? I mean it was like the other model
is gonna slit your wrists, right like she's gonna like
she gonna like Tanya Harding what I mean, like, yeah, no,
it was definitely. I mean I think that's where I did,
you know, not single white female per se, but I
had a couple of girls that, like my writer dies
(18:26):
because that's really all I had, right like, And it
was super competitive. And you know, I think for someone
like me, my armor is so like thick. Now I've
been told I'm fat, I'm ugly, I'm too tall, I'm
not tall enough, I'm too blonde. I heard it how dark,
my nose is crooked, my cats are fat, arms are fat. Like,
(18:49):
there's not a lot that had. The other day someone
say to me from my PR team that I needed
to do my teeth right. I'm like, that wasn't what
I was expecting, right Like. It wasn't a criticism, it
was just feed. But there's not a lot of there's
not a lot that people can tell me that. I'm like, eh,
like really ruffle me, because at twenty one I got ruffled.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah. I think when you come up on your own
in this industry, you get real thick skin.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
You do.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
And that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It is.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It can be a great thing to encloy ourselves. Yes,
especially as entrepreneurs now later in life building your own brand.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, and also not having fomo right Like I you know,
I was telling one of my employees just had a baby,
and she's like, Jesus, really know why, I really know why?
Mom can get content's gonna work three months old. And
then I'm like, I know it's different, right, Like it's
different than what my momming. Being a mom is very
(19:51):
different than what the idea of momming. Right. You're you're
in charge of a soul. You're in charge of keeping.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Someone al that's a big responsibility.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, I do think. Listen, it's hard, but it's a
great it's a great. Resilience is a great thing. I
always say, you know, they're road bumps. There are small
little bumps in the road, you know what I mean.
And you come in and you come out. I think
I've done a pretty good job of, you know, when
(20:25):
I'm down coming back up. I think that's been a
little bit of a superpower that, you know, because I've
had to right. I think for you as well, you've
been on the highest of highs, the most popular girl
in the world, not even globally, right, and then on
the lowest of low you know, and not that that
(20:49):
can take its toll, but it also, I don't know,
it goes good into your next chapter.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, really teaches you about your strength, like at your core,
what you're capable of. And I think also it teaches
you to not be afraid of reinvention, because, like you said,
sometimes you're way up and sometimes you're way down. And
when you're way down, it's really hard to think about
climbing back out of that hole.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I know, but that's it's really hard. But that's what
you do, and that's I was. I never finished it,
but I was kind of writing my third book and
I put it to the side to start the podcast,
and it was kind of tentatively labeled Unstuck. How do
you get in? How do you get out? Right? Because
a lot of times being neutral is the death of
you right. It's better to either be really really messy
(21:41):
sometimes so you can figure it out and you can
go forward. I think a lot of times women get
stuck trying just to make the decision right. It's what
I always say, go to Vegas and bet is it black?
Is it red? But you got a bet right. Sometimes
it's gonna work and sometimes it's not. And I'm always like,
(22:05):
you can reinvent yourself. You've just got to bet on it.
You've just got to go in and you've got to
figure it out. And some of it's gonna work and
some of it's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It's just like love, Like if you want to have
love in your life, you have to risk heartbreak, and
if you want to have success in your life, you
have to risk failure.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And bothbody loves the money night. Nobody loves the money night. Quarterback, right.
I mean, it's hard to put yourself out there. It's hard.
I remember that. I remember where I was when I
April twenty fifth, twenty twenty three, we launched wise. I
can remember I almost thought I was going to have
(22:45):
a panic attack. There was something that something with Instagram,
the algorithm was like and we did like a I
don't even know, but I had like two hundred, like
two hundred people looked at him like, wait, something's something's
got to be wrong. But I literally silently inside Schaeffer
and I like, I'm like, shapeer, what the fuck? What
(23:06):
is happening? Like I don't know. Long story short, I
was like, this is probably not gonna work, right, Like,
I'm like, this is this is why now I'm gonna work.
You've got to hang on. It's like what I said,
I was on a finance call before this. Sorry, guys,
if you're listening, that's my ice machine next to me
making all the noise that I'm gonna have a lot
of ice by the end of this podcast. I was
(23:29):
I was on a finance call before, and it's like,
put in your seatbelt, pull down your oxygen, masks. Folks,
you're like the pilot of the plane and here we go.
It's like the roller coaster of your life.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Right, how do you feel assuming that position, like in
a big meeting like that, like when you are basically
the founder and the CEO of the company the brand?
Was that a natural transition for you as a model,
an actress, a producer, then to start your own brand.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, I mean I think it's kind of why I
wanted to. I think, you know, I've always been the
girl modeling the lemonade or the juice, right, so I'm
the girl who comes in at the end, like this
juice is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I want that juice.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You did a great job.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Thank you. You know, it was really important to me
at you know, a certain point in my life that
I you know, I just I wanted to be a
part of something from inception, not just at the end.
And I think, you know, I love my kids, and
I love my books that I read, but to be
part to see something through and with the production company,
(24:35):
something happy. It happened off of a fluke, right like
I was writing a I was writing a second book.
I needed two organizers. I found a cold called these
women on Instagram called the Home Edit Cleia and Joanna.
It happened very organically. I'm like, I don't really pay
people for content. I don't even know like what this is,
(24:55):
but if you want to come out, I'll use it
and you can use the content. They're like done. They
were in my pantry, arguing, laughing, killing each other, and
like I said to my husband outside I'm like, these
two bitches could I mean, they could have their own show,
Like I don't even know what's going on in there.
And they came out and I was like, I know
(25:16):
this is gonna sound weird, but I think you always
really have something. I'm not an organizer, but anyway, I
helped them get an agent. We sold it to Reese Witherspoon.
We re got it back recent I figured it out,
we got it back, we sold it to Netflix. And
that's kind of how my own producing and I would
always read for my husband. Then I, you know, just
(25:39):
kept reading. I don't know, like I always wanted to
be part of something, and I always felt like which
I would have come up with that idea or And
I was always really good at I'm still good at.
I'm still good at like spotting people trends, like I'm
(26:06):
good with like, eh, that's gonna work, right, Like even
if like they're like that is not gonna work, That's
gonna work. K eighteen. I got a little thing in
the mail from Australia. It was called Kate Hair Prep.
Some sample. I don't even know. I d m the company.
I'm like, I really like your sample. They're like oh,
(26:26):
we're in the middle of a restructure. We're renaming our company.
I was like, okay, whatever, I don't even look at samples.
This was like this month K eighteen, you know, biggest
one of the biggest investments partnerships I ever did. I'm
good at that, but I don't know. I wanted. I
wanted something on my own. And that's how Wise came about.
I had a skin problem and I looked at the
(26:50):
white space and like, why is everything that's really ugly
and derm and really strong and fucks with your barrier?
And then why is everything else cool and fun but
doesn't really have the effica see for someone like me.
It's given me a lot of pride to answer your question.
It has given me. I've pulled from every part of
(27:13):
my life. I've pulled from taking chances and being like
this is never gonna work. To fake it till you
make it. We're amazing, right. I think my girlfriend sent
me this. She sent me this this text the other day,
(27:36):
and it was like, you are going to win because
you're an absolute psychopath. No one can keep up with
you know, you have to kind of like believe. And
I think, yeah, I've pulled from sports, being on a team,
potting people together. First thing I ask is how to
well do you work with people? Are you a team player?
(27:58):
Do you give grace with other people? Would you buy
them a coffee if you're standing in line? I asked
the weirdest questions during an interview. But yes, very long answer,
but I've pulled from every aspect of my life.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
You said Fluke before, do you feel like, having come
from modeling and acting and known to be a beautiful
supermodel blonde, do you feel like when women start their
own business, especially with somebody with your history, do you
feel like they are less apt to take you seriously?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Did you ever well? I mean when that's whole my
whole life, right, Like I was a code hanger, right,
I was someone who you know, they didn't know I was.
I went to Vanderbilt, I was a name, I was
a number. I put on tennis shoes, walk two miles,
flipped through my book, didn't even make eye contact with me.
Very disrespectful thanks by. You know, I've always tried to
(29:00):
prove myself. No one really even knows. It's my audition
for Las Vegas with Gary Scott Thompson. I was like Okay,
I want to be taken serious. Okay, so I didn't
wear any makeup. I think I wore like like a
flip flop sandle a T shirt and jeans and listen.
Gary was amazing, but he called my agent. He was like,
(29:21):
does she want to like do that? Does she want
to be pretty? Like? Does she? I just wanted people
to take me serious, right, So that's that lives in me.
Whether I start a company at fifty, whether I start
something at forty, I think it lives in most women.
It's like what do you got to what do you
have to prove? Right Like? For me, you know, that
(29:44):
has always been likeugh, you're just pretty. You're not You're
not smart, You're you're pretty. Oh sweetie, bless her heart,
bless her heart. So listen. That will always forever be
with me. You know, when someone tells me no, I
turn it into a yes. You know. It's just that's
(30:06):
how I've always had to exist from right like, otherwise
I'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, everybody else is going to call your shots and
point to your trajectory rather than you doing what you
want to be doing and taking that risk like we
talked about before, and it is.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Hard to take that risk. A lot of people, you know,
we put down. Like I was reading this whole thing
on Tom Brady and I'm like, good lord, how could
you put him down? He's like, it's nine Champion, super
Bowl whatever people are going to I don't know what it's.
I don't know it, but I'm just saying it's very,
very hard to put yourself out there and anything that
you do. And that's why sometimes with Instagram or you know,
(30:45):
with TikTok or with social I think the takedown is
so brutal, and so I find it truly awful that
what some women have to deal with, it's what I
have to deal with. I'm like, well, you know, I'm
instagram away from getting canceled, you know, because I'm like, oh,
you're gonna make somebody mad. You.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I love the way you do put stuff out there
that is against the norm of like parenting, like the
proper parenting perspective at a kid opinion. You know, you
lay it out there because it's real, like what you're
dealing with. You have three kids. I have three kids.
We know it's the best and the worst job you
could ever yes.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Of course, and it's like, you know, someone said to
me like, oh, don't let them know. You know, you
have seventy four passy fairies. I'm like, like, I really
don't think he's going to go to college with it.
So you know, maybe he did it a little longer
and we're gonna have some bad teeth. But you know,
I try to put things in perspective and to meet
(31:46):
each kid where they are and to not be judged
because I do helicopter. I want to know where they
are when they are, you know, and I'm trying to
go against it.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I love that you're an admitted helicopter. She too, I'm too.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I don't call it helicopter, per se. I call it.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, what's another a better?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
What was it? Funny? It was so funny. It was like,
I am a mom who advocates. I'm an advocating mom.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
That sounds professional, but I do know.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I get in there with them, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
What how old your oldest twelve? Twelve?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okayah, Because he was like the other day he was like, Mom,
I'm pretty sure I have hair. And I was like,
She's like, you gotta look, and I was like, let
me get my glasses. You know, I'm like, I think
I think I see a hair, right, like, you know,
my so of my friends would be mortified. Like again
(32:47):
it's everybody's like He's like, he doesn't care. I don't care.
But yes, I was like, I think I see a hair. Listen,
that will change very quickly, right, it's just you know development,
it's it's where you were going. But it was pretty sweet.
He's like, do you see anything? I think I see someone,
you know? Like it was just really sweet. And you know,
(33:10):
some people are like, oh my god, you're crazy, but
who cares. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Well, yeah, enjoy that openness now. It's great that they
and you know what I had always had people tell me, oh,
look out, you know, you have three daughters and they're
going to turn into teenagers someday and then you know
you're gonna have so much trouble. And I would always say,
you don't know me, you don't know my family. I
(33:34):
don't need to take that advice on because I don't.
I don't believe in it, Like I feel like I
can do it however I want, and that sort of
seems how you're doing it too, which is yeawful.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I mean, one couple of them, I end up in prison.
But my mean we're you know, we're we're no, no, no,
I'm being funny, but no, I definitely listen. I do.
I speak to an amazing therapist Broun when Charlton she's
with the Liza Pressman. They have an incredible company. Yeah,
I I do listen. I do listen to the older moms.
(34:09):
Like we got to interview Jonathan Hay, you know about
being a helicopter mom. It's the worst guy to me,
you know, and him being like, let him go to
CHIPOTLEI like, I always think of him because we moved
west of the Palisades and there's a little ice cream
shop and I'm like, I'm gonna let him go to
(34:29):
the ice cream shop on his own walk there no
social no iPhone, no contact. He's gonna go and I'm
not gonna know where he is. Like, but I will
say my older mom friends have actually helped me because
you kind of learn and you see what they do, right, Like,
do you let them, you know, go here? Do you
let them take an uber? Do you let them have
(34:51):
a phone. We don't have phones or anything yet, but
listen it all, there's no right way. There's there's no
one way.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
No, isn't. It's whatever works for you. It's whatever works,
and I don't really care what other people think of
whatever works for me. I know it's kind of you
have to go about it. What's the okay having these
this age bracket kids and a marriage, happy marriage, you
have a profession, you're very you know, you're you're diversified.
(35:22):
Let's say, do you ever lie to your kids?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I love that, not a pause.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yes, you know I do. I lie per se. I'm
very careful of meeting them where they are. I did
mess up with my twelve year old, and I learned listen.
It was a moment. It was during COVID Kobe had
(35:51):
passed away. He asked me I could not tell him
about the daughter about his I could not, and he
he was so offended. He was like, I can't believe everybody. No,
like you didn't tell me. I honestly could not tell him.
I was so emotional. But I learned that a certain
(36:14):
level of honesty is really important with these kids. They
want to know that you're telling them. So it's not
that I per se lie, but I tell them where
what they need to know based on where they are right.
If something is bad that they don't need to know it.
Why would I put that on them? Now, other people
(36:36):
would say opposite, and that is to each his own.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
But it's kind of hard to differentiate between what is
out of their you know, not age appropriate for them.
It's are about especially now. I mean you said your
kids don't have phones yet, so they're not on the
social media. But like just the news, just if they
walk in the room and the news is on, They're
being exposed to so much.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It's tricky. That's why we don't have the news on anymore, Jinny.
In our own I love UNBC, the Today Show, and
I love CBS, but we don't have it on because
they listen. Yeah, listen. I'm on the cusp of everybody
knowing everything because there is access, and like it was
interesting even with the election. Brooks would be like, oh,
I know that about Trump or oh I know that
(37:19):
about Biden, and I was, yeah, they know, they know
more than you think. They know that. I've learned any
you know, the second grader, he's gonna put me over.
He's like, you know, he told the sixth grader the
other day he didn't think her presentation was very good.
And then she wasn't going to win president. I'm like, listen,
(37:40):
Mark Cuban on your what are you Mark Cuban on
Church Tank? You know what I mean? Like, who are you?
Here's my poor husband right there. Hi, by the way,
just so you know, he's wearing my Wise eyebatches. Just
for the record, people always good, he doesn't and he does.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Wait, I want to talk to you about Wise. You'll
have your own beauty brand, Wise, which I spelled why
s e.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Y se beauty Wise to be wise, to know something
you didn't know before.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I love that. I think there's just such a huge
misconception out there about when people like you and I
start brands and companies that were not working hard, but
it just hops like because of our name or whatever. Like, girl,
(38:28):
tell us how many?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Tell us?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
How many knows you got? Like to how what have
been your biggest obstacles to get into Wise?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Oh? I mean everything everything starts with no yeah until
I turn it into a yes.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
How do you turn things into a yes? Like that?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Why? I just don't stop. I mean, I just I
just accept it. I'm just like, oh, well, I'll figure it.
I'll come back to you right Like there was a
paid agency I really wanted, and there were like this
one famous business woman, she's amazing. She was like, they're
never going to take you. And I was like, oh really.
I was like, you think so, and I was like
(39:05):
it just bothered me and bothered me and bothered me.
I was like, oh, yes they will. I don't know.
I pivot, I work really hard. I'm big picture, so important,
I'm good under pressure. I find the positive and a
lot probably the best thing about me. And I was
(39:28):
saying this to a CFO a few minutes ago, I go,
but I listen, I listen, I don't. I think a
lot of founders put people around them that they want
them to say yes to, like they want to hear yes.
I put people around me who are smarter than me,
(39:49):
who challenge me, who go against me. I think that's
a little more like. My mom was like that. My
dad was like that, a little left of center. I
don't want to be the CEO of my company. I
should not be the zaman. I can act like it
in every form, but I need someone to be smarter
(40:10):
than me and no more than me.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah. I think for me that was so important too,
and recognizing that I want to be surrounded by people
that are better than me, smarter than me, more accomplished
than me.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
You know, I think too, like from modeling to hosting,
to acting to producing to you know, being an entrepreneur.
I will say, and maybe it's a gem and I
and me, but I'm honestly really curious. Like when we
have livest on the rim and we'll have like a
Jonathan hate like Emasen, I will be taking pages of notes, right,
(40:48):
you know, when she's doing her spring must have I'm like, girl,
like I don't even know what her spring, but like
I'm taking I'm actually genuinely curious. And I think it
helps to be curious, absolutely, to be curious, to have passion,
and to believe that those are really important things.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, to believe in yourself so important. I love that
message that you you put out there.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
And you know, to work with like, you know, I
think the hardest thing for me starting a company is that,
you know, when you when you're in startup mode, it's
very different. You're like, oh, the people who start with
you won't end with you. And I'm like, well, of
course you're going to end with me, Like where are
they going to go?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
You know?
Speaker 2 (41:33):
When you soon realize that you know, you're different objectives
and where you need to be, whether it's retail, wholesale,
different needs of the company, and and that that's been
a little like stomach churning for me to be able
to make those decisions and to leave people that I
really enjoyed working with.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
It's hard, that's hard to do.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, it's such a loyal person. Oh girl, I'm so low.
I'm long, but I'm getting better. I'm getting better, and
I'm trying to be boundaried. And you know they're always like, well,
you don't have to be on the exit. I was like, no,
I do.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
It's important.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's important to me right now and if
I can still handle it later on, it's important to me.
Like I think how you start and how you you know,
how you wind is a lot of times better than
how you start.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
You know, absolutely learning so much along the way you have.
I feel like after fifty you're just like going off,
like you're really coming into your own somehow. I know
I feel like that with myself, but I feel that
from you, and I love watching you. I think your
social media is hilarious. You make me chuckle. You're just
(42:50):
killing it. I'm just really happy for you.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Thank you, You're back at you girl. I mean, you know,
I think it's you know, my invention is a really
hard thing, right because I'm not the twenty five year
old Victoria Secrets model that walks you know, I'm just
I'm not that girl right between us. Like, yes, of
course it's it's fun to go back and reminisce, but yeah,
(43:16):
I don't really want to be that girl anymore, you know,
but it is it's very hard to reinvent. It's very
hard to you know, I think with the company. You know,
I had a massive skin color malasma, hyperpigmentation. So it
was something that I was organically trying to figure out
(43:37):
myself because I was so insecure with my skin and
you know, coming from this world where everything depends on
what you look like, you know, having those years in
my forties having to not be baked per se, but
definitely being specific about the sun and pregnancy and hormones
(43:58):
and you know, patches, and just figuring out the mess
that I had created and getting out of that that
really took a toll on my psyche, right because you know,
you kind of I kind of had led with what
I look like, right, and so you know, then you're pregnant,
then you're going into the hospital at two hundred and
four pounds, and then you have a thyrop problem, and
(44:19):
then you have a skill like life starts to get
very layered, shall I say? But yeah, reinvention. You know,
I think for anyone listening be okay with change, you know. Yeah,
it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Before I let you go, though, I have to ask you,
Molly Sims, what was your last I choose me moment?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I think I choose It's gonna even cry, It's okay.
I think instead of I choose me, I chose us.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
What does that mean to you?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Just having that, you know, the beginning of being able
to say no to things, to say yes to us,
to say yes to me, to I choose me to.
You know, that's not going to really work for me
right now. And those are really hard words because I
love I'm from the South. I love to please everyone. Yeah,
(45:21):
and you know I've lost some friends along the way
because I really couldn't do any more than what I
was doing. You know. I think with COVID, the fires,
you know, losing my mom and dad, I cautiously had
(45:45):
to take a step back to choose me.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, how does that feel?
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I mean uncomfortable? You know really, you know, I you know,
I love when people be like, oh, she's not going
to do that. Like Michael, who's my publicist on this
podcast listening right now, He's like, you know what, she's
going to not do it right now, We're going to
revisit this, and like I was like, oh God, I
thank you, thank you for saying that, you know, like
(46:14):
just really trying to choose me, right, like having people
around me that help me choose me because if not,
I'm like, you know, I'll just be like, oh I'll
help you do okay, Yeah, no worries, just call me.
I'll interview like oh, well, you know I but at
choosing me has been a life saver in a lot
of ways because there's only so much I can do.
(46:35):
I have to be there for my kids. I only
have so much band with. But it takes a lot
of honesty, right, it takes a lot of And I
used to do this as like when I would work
and come like I'm sure you did, when you would
come off a show, or you'd come off a stint,
or you'd come off you know, six weeks, ten weeks,
(46:56):
three months, you know, because you did network television, so
you were on what twenty three twenty four episodes. It
was yearly, year round, right, So when you go on
those marathon runs and you stop, it's like, hey, you
don't even know what to do with yourself. No, and
b you know, for you then you had three young
(47:17):
girls with Peter and both of your like, it just
it gets crazy. Yeah, it's crazy, and then life happens
on top of it. So I think I choose me.
I've chosen me. I choose me in those moments because
I have to do.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
You feel like it's you choosing to reconnect with yourself
and your truth instead.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Of yeah, yeah, we just level it out, we least
balance it, we balance it out, We kind of start
back to zero, you know. I did I do acupuncture
and I'm like, girl, I was like, I don't know,
I can't sleep anymore. I'm like sweat and like and
I was like, you know all the things that you're
(48:04):
going through, and I was like, I was like, You've
got to help me. I'm like, I just can't sleep. Literally,
like in thirty seconds, she left my room. I was like,
I was like snoring right, Like I just needed someone
to like just call me. That has been really good
for me in my sense of just sense of getting
back grounded and just have it again. That's an hour
(48:28):
and fifteen minutes just for me. I took a walk
the other day and I'm like, I'm not going to
go to that sports thing and they were so upseting.
What do you mean, what do you mean you're not
gonna go. I'm like, kids, Mom's gonna take a walk
and I'm not gonna call you. I'm not gonna talk
(48:49):
to you. I don't don't care how you do. I'm
just gonna go take a walk. You know. But those
check ins are important.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, you got to listen to your needs. You gotta
put yourself first some time. And I'm so happy to
hear that you're doing that because it's vital.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Thank you for being very amazing. I love you. We
love your path. I sit to the kids and I'm
like getting to talk to Kelly today, you know, because
they my kids. You're obsessed with anything nineties, I mean,
obsess so fun. It's so fun to go back and
to you know, see it with them. My girlfriend was
(49:25):
just here. She did miss congeniality. She was Miss Texas
and Scirl that was like the redheaded one. Oh yes,
and she was like, you're miss Texas. It's just so cute.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I love that they know about the nineties.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Good job, oh yeah girl, the nineties.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Or everything, the best of the best. Well, I'm going
to let you go. I want you to have a
great day.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm just happy that you're
okay and through this you likewise, you know crazy time
that we're all in right now, and from our mouth
to God's ears, we're all going to be okay.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, because we've got each other.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
We do. You're the best. We love you.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Thanks Molly. Bye.
Host
Jennie Garth
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