August 7, 2024 • 45 mins
Khristina is joined by Nekias Duncan, co-host of The Dunker Spot podcast to break down Team USA… What is going well, what changes should be made, and what is the best possible lineup?
They also get into the WNBA Rookie of the Year race between Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese… Who has the lead right now, and the sleeper pick that could be the most important rookie this season? Plus, Paige Bueckers signed with Unrivaled, what does it mean for her, the league, and the future of the college game?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
In Case You Missed It with Christina Williams is an
iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports
and Entertainment. Welcome back to another episode of In Case
You Missed It with Christina Williams, and I am so
excited to be back. I don't know about you, guys,
but I've been having a little bit of an Olympic hangover.
(00:24):
I've been staying up late watching every single sport, track
and field, seeing Shakiri win her first silver, gymnastics Mombiles,
how can you not love her? And of course Kate Ladecki,
She's been dominating the goat of swimming. But we're gonna
dive into USA basketball. Who has won fifty eight in
a row? Could it be time for a roster change? Plus,
(00:48):
Paige Becker's is the latest athlete to sign to the
unrivaled Basketball League. What does it mean for the college game?
And later we're going to talk about the second half
of the WNBA season, the Rookie of the Year race,
and some title predictions. Here with me this week to
break it all down is basketball analyst and co host
(01:09):
of The Dunker Spot Nikayas Duncan. Nikaias Thank you so
much for being here this week with me.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Thanks for having me. I am honored to be hon
with the Christina Williams so just excited to have fun
and talk to basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You're one of the greatest basketball minds out here, so
I salute to you. But let's dive into USA basketball.
So they won over the weekend. They defeated Germany by
nineteen points, and we'll head to the Metal Rounds and
will face Nigeria on Wednesday. Now, lots to talk about
in this game, Lots like I want to dive all
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the way into it, but breakout performance from Jackie Young,
who finished with a team's best nineteen points. She had
four steels. She's pretty efficient from three in from the field.
What stood out to you about this game?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I think it has to start with Jackie Young. I
think her minutes have been something that I've been tracking
since the Showcase games and early on in the Olympic play.
A lot of guards and a lot of wings on
this roster, and so Jackie kind of being one of
the last players to kind of enter in like mid
lake second quarter was interesting to me as someone who
is obviously a really good basketball player, but more importantly,
can defend at a high level, can drive at a
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high level, cad shoot at high level. So just kind
of wondering when she was going to get consistent run
and this third game happened to be it, and she
made her impact immediately. Like you saw the point of
attack defense, you saw the screen navigation, you saw some
of the early drives and pull ups, you saw the
three point shooting, and she just kind of worked as
a connector and a tone setter on both ends of
the floor.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I absolutely agree with that because I think that to
set the tone, Germany came out punching right like Leoni Fibitch.
She set the tone with that three and then they
were aggressive from the start, but it took USA a
little bit to get going, and it was Jackie Young
in that second quarter who really kind of changed the
momentum for Team USA.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It just kind of showcases that she wants. She can't
slide into any role you need her to. You obviously
know HER's the star and the starter with the aces
with this Olympic group. She can't come in with the
second unit and just inject life when they need it.
But to your point, Germany did come out early something
I've been enjoying with Team Germany and with Satu Sobdi
in particular. She looks so much more comfortable flowing in
the pull up threes. That is a terrifying thought. We
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saw her have her best three point shooting season of
her career last year with Dallas. Haven't seen her in
the w this year she would cover from injury, but
with Germany, you see the drives coming back. She's been
stout defensively and the three point shooting is really pop.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And we know that there's going to be some sort
of adjustment period for Sato, who's returning from an injury.
She missed the first half of the w NBA season,
so really we're seeing her slowly get back into the
groove of things, and you know, there was a little
fatigue at some points. We saw her and different sports
go in and out of the game, but she was
really that anger for Germany. Leoni Feevich she had a
(03:49):
really solid game for Germany as well and went down
after a collision with Elyssa Thomas.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Miles.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Erlick at Weinsider reported she's going to be okay, and
you know, so she's gonna be okay, but Alexis Peterson
as well for Germany. How can you not talk about
her and what she brung in terms of just really
facilitating the offense and just being, you know, that fire
starter for Germany. But back to Team USA, the backcourt
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has seen a little bit of struggles in terms of
consistency getting off of those slow starts. How do they
get over that hump?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Now?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
People across social media have been suggesting maybe Cheryl Reeve
could consider a roster switch up to help them get
over this hump. And we saw in the game over
the weekend how she utilized Sabrinnan and rescue jew Lloyd
and didn't play Chelsea Gray Diana Tarazzi in the second
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half of the game against Germany, and we saw it
actually worked out beneficially for Team USA to make those
different lineup changes. People have also been suggested maybe the
Fisa Collier, she's starting at the three, and why don't
you insert Alyssa Thomas into that starting lineup who can
defend and play a little bit better at the three
perc Maybe Khalia Copper who has been seeing not a
(05:02):
lot of minutes. Alyssa Thomas finished with the team's best
plus twenty nine in that game against Germany. They don't
call her for the engine for nothing, right, Like, she
really set the tone and did things that you don't
necessarily see in the box score.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
We know that Alissa she's.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Quick, she can defend, she can facilitate an offense. She's interchangeable.
When we talk about her style of play, you know,
maybe shel Reeve can make the Feasta come out in
the second unit. What are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I guess for me, it just depends on what Team
USA is looking for, because I think it's easy to
point to the guards as Chelsea's got some games under
her belt now she recovered from her own injury, but
she still isn't peak Chelsea Gray yet. Diana Tarrossi obviously
an elder statesman of this roster, one of the greatest ever.
But if you just look at the minute distribution of
those two, like we haven't seen a high minute game
from Chelsea yet, and with Diana Tarrossi, we haven't seen
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a high minute game with her either. Like it seems
like rotation wise, it's very much been y'all are obviously starting,
but you're gonna get this opening stretch of the first quarter,
you're gonna get this opening stretch the third quarter and
we can just kind of mix and match from there.
So before even digging deeper into that, I'll one quote
the great Don Staley A she say, Hey, it's not
easy to make these lineup decisions. They haven't had a
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ton of time together and so these games they obviously
want to qualify the metal rounds and things like that,
but they're trying to figure out what are the best combinations,
what are our best lineups? When do we want to
go to those lineups. So it's a lot to try
to figure out in basically two weeks time if that,
And so I think there is just a level of
grace that needs to be given on that front. But
as it pertains to the minute distribution and stuff, I
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think if you're going to make a starting lineup change,
like it's probably easier to do it with Diana to
ROSSI I wonder if they even want to do that
one just for what Diana means two team you'll say
this is I think it's gonna be her last Olympic run,
so you don't want it to take her out. But
because she's getting like first five to six minutes of
the first first five to six minutes of the third,
and that's just kind of it. If you do move
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her to the second unit, I think you are now
flowing into the conversation of Okay, are we playing her
or Kelsey? Are we playing her?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Or Jackie?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Are you playing her or Ca? And I think if
she isn't starting and she isn't getting those minutes, it
becomes easier to not play her altogether, which in a
pure basketball point of view, like you could make a
case for that as we just have a bunch of
talented guards and wings on Team USA. You fat during
all of the other stuff, I don't think they want
to press that button.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, I think that Team USA. Yes they have slow starts.
Yes they've been struggling from three, But it's all, as
you said, in building that chemistry, figuring out what lineups work,
how they play together, the gelling of it all. But yeah,
I'm not questioning Cheryl Reeves's decisions as a coach. She's
one of the most winning best coaches and women's basketball history.
(07:42):
She definitely knows what she's doing. But Asia Wilson and
Branda stewart Man, that duo has been playing off the chain.
So today Team USA they play Nigeria, who qualified for
the Metal Rounds for the first time in history. I
believe and I think that that's an underrated team. This
is a team that's been through a lot in terms
of overcoming adversity. What stands out to you about this
(08:05):
Nigerian team and how can Team USA continue on their
winning streak.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I think one with Jigeria, they are really aggressive defensively,
So I would just say if we're going back to
like nitpicks with Team USA, like the turnovers can get
a little hazy for them, and Nigeria's are very, very
very aggressive defensive team. They will pick you up half court.
They're super physical off the ball, So if you're getting
frustrated coming off of screens and you're getting into cheap
offensive files, that could be a problem. Ultimately, Nigeria can
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really turn you over. Even going back to their recent
game against Canada, Canada had twenty six turnovers in that game.
Nigeria had sixteen steals in.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
That basketball game.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
So if TM USA doesn't take care of the ball,
this can't turn into a track meet, and ultimately team
you can end up in the fight that they don't
want to be in.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I think to me what stood out about TMUSA through
the first couple games is that their best when they're
in transition. They're their best when they play the inside
outside game. Obviously, we see that they've been struggling from three,
but the front court and TEAMUS say so strong. Although
the back court has been struggling a little bit to
just be consistent in terms of the offense and when
they move the ball, though, I think that they play well.
(09:08):
And actually a few weeks ago, I had the opportunity
to speak to Alyssa Thomas while I was in Phoenix,
a w NBA All Star, about what it means to
play for Team USA and the standard and the mentality
going into the games. Take a listen to what she
had to say.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I think we know what we're here for. It's the
standard to win a gold medal. At the same time,
got a lot of teams coming after us, and we
know we're gonna get everyone's best game. And for us,
I think we have to approach every game like it's
the gold medal game and give everyone, what you know,
our best shot as well.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So yeah, I absolutely love what Alyssa Thomas said because
she understands the mentality coming into these games. The USA
has a target on their back because they are the
most one of the most winningest teams, and we talk about,
you know, the Olympics and wanting to win, and so
these team are not going to make it easy for
Team USA. What are your thoughts about what she had
to say.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I think she nailed it, And like, obviously as someone
that's in a whole bunch of Aces pressers, like it's
similar to what Age Wilson's had to say this year,
what Kelsey said Chelsea Jackie on down the line, like
we're kind of the hunted right now. We know we're
gonna get everyone's best shot. And so as we talked
a little bit earlier about just to collect the chemistry
of you know, some of the aces playing together. You
got multiple liberty players on the roster, You have multiple
(10:26):
Mercury players on the roster, but all have been tested
either in a championship way on the W side or
in Olympic player already, so they already kind of have
the understanding of what's coming for them. But it's not
enough to know, like you still have to put you know,
action to word, et cetera. And come out with the
appropriated level of urgency and attention to detail and so
(10:46):
you know, tying it back into the taking care of
the ball portion, make sure they're getting to their offensive
in a fluid way. They have to nail those little
things because once you get into play like this, you've
set it up top. Like I think this is the
first like metal opportunity for Nigeria. Not only do they
want to play Team USA, they are somewhere, they're playing
with house money, Like this is a greater consent for
them already. Yeah, you have to bring it on you're
(11:09):
facing a situation like that.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So we talked about roster changes and what combinations of
players would work the best. I'm curious if you had
to pick five players to start for Team USA or
players that you would kind of change in a roster,
what would your five be?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Ooh we I think just looking at Team USA start
lineup right now, again, like I think there is room
to swap out Sabrina for Diana, or I guess vice versa,
swapping out Diana for Sabrina, just to make the easy
sign up change in terms of just what my favorite
five is right now, Like going back to the Germany game, like,
they rolled out Kelsey Plumb, Jackie Young, Breonna Stewart, a
(11:47):
list of Thomas and Asian Wilson, and at that point, like,
what do you do? I think Kelsey's defense has been
good so far throughout the tournament. Asia, Stewie and at
are three of the best.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Defenders in the world.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I like that combination too.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You just named the all of the players essentially outside
of Chelsea Gray and that lineup, and I think that
because they have that chemistry, it automatically clicks. And obviously
Branda Stewart, Alyssa Thomas, I mean Alyssa brink because she springs.
They call her the engine for a reason. She sets
the tone, especially defensively, and does a little bit of
everything on the floor. But then Brianda's Stewart. She's a champion,
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she's a gold medalist, She's won at every level. She
has that chemistry with Asia Wilson, And you know, I
think that the chemistry and experience of that core group
that you just said is one of my favorites as well.
This is a team that's interchangeable. I mean everyone is
kind of bought in and knowing that it's not about
the minutes you play, but it's making the most of
the minutes that you have when you're on the floor
(12:40):
and just doing what Team USA has brought you in
to do. I spoke to Kelsey Plump prior to her
coming to Paris and the Olympics, and she said, you know,
I know that what I do in the WNBA won't
necessarily be what they need me to do on Team USA,
and so I just have to be willing to adapt
and change and adjust on the fly to do what's
(13:02):
needed to do for the ultimate goal of winning a
gold medal. And so I think all these players know
at the end of the day what the end goal is.
And so I'm excited to see this matchup against Nigeria.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It should be a fun one. It should be a
fun one.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Looking at some of the other matchups, you have Serbia
going against Australia, you have Spain going against Belgium, Germany
against France. Is there any team that's in these metal
rounds that you feel like is underrated, like a sleeper team?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I guess if we're going sleeper is probably Australia, especially
since they're on USA's side of the brackets. If they
are of the beat in Nigeria, we see what happens
in the Serbia Australia matchup, I guess that will probably
be the closest one to a sleeper for me. But
even then, if you're looking at Zie Matt mcgory, you're
looking at Atlanta Smith, Sammy wibbcoms coming off a tremendous
game like they have W high level, w talented that
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and so as we talk about some of the things
that may have bothered Team USA so far, like collective
size and activity defensively like Australia can provide like that,
if Tim Yosa doesn't get three point shots to go,
Australia will get them up so that you do have
the variance thing get play there. So I guess Australia
would probably be the sleeper for me. Just the entire
other side of the bracket is terrifying. Megan Gusterson's been
(14:15):
incredible for Spain Belgium with Belgia's been really good friends
with Gaby Williams. I miss watching her in the w
She has been insane defensively, just been insane this entire tournament.
So if tim Yosa is able to make it through
these first two matchups. Whoever they facing the gold medal
game is going to be a tough matchup for him.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Australia, yes they have Atlanta Smith, they have Asie, but
they have someone sitting on the benches, a legend and
Lauren Jackson who hasn't been getting played yet. And that's
like the secret weapon right there. You talk about size
and length, lawd Jackson is a legend and she's still
going strong and playing at efficient level. Could you just
imagine that, like Australia going up against Tim USA and
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you got Lauren Jackson just chilling on the bench like
your secret weapon, like a just in case an emergency button,
Like just throw her in there in the mix and
just you know, switch things up for Team USA.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Hey man, mid second quarter, that second unit with Britney Griner,
now here comes Lauren Jackson.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
It's like, hey, wait a minute, oh.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Gee, how about this?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
All right?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
So we're gonna take a quick break. When we return,
we're gonna talk all things unrivaled, So stay tuned. This
is in case you missed it with Christina Williams. Welcome
(15:37):
back to In case you missed it with Christina Williams.
I'm here with Women's basketball analysts and co host of
the Dunkers Spot podcast nikaias Duncan, and.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
We're going to get into Unrivaled.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Page Beckers is the latest athlete to sign to the
three x three league co founded by Brandish Stewart and
the FISA Collier. First of all, what was your reaction
when the news dropped that Paige Beckers would be the
latest athlete to sign to Unrivaled.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
My first thought was, this is one heck of a
week for Page as you get Unrivaled and also the
U announcement, It's like, Yo, this is pretty darn cool
for her, and like as someone that enjoys Yukon's women's basketball,
just like the injuries that she's had to deal with
where she's worked her way back to still being a
dominant player, for her to continue to get these opportunities,
it think it's just really nice on a personal level.
(16:27):
But no, I'm super happy for and excited to see
what that's gonna look like. Because my secondary thought was,
I know Unrivaled launches in twenty twenty five. Yes, it
launches in January. I don't think the season's over yet.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
So I'll break that down for you.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So, Paige will not actually play in Unrivaled in twenty
twenty five, so the deal that she signed is an
NIL deal, and according to my sources, Unrivaled is also
looking to sign more college athletes as well for an
NIL campaign. She will play in unrival but it won't
be next year. It'll probably be the following year in
(17:02):
twenty twenty six, when she is a w NBA player. However,
through this Unrivaled Basketball League, it was reported that you know,
she'll still get equity into the league. She's gonna be
the first college athlete to get equity into the league.
We know that these players are gonna make on average
quarter million dollars. There'll be like a seven point five
million dollar cap for the thirty players. So this is
(17:23):
a great opportunity. And to your point, I think that
when we talk about the NIL era and athletes benefiting
from name, image likeness, Paige Becker's and women's college basketball.
She was the first player to sign man and women
to Gatorade. Coming out of high school. She was the
most hype. She was on the cover Slam, So Paige
Becker's I think that people are being reintroduced to her. Obviously,
(17:44):
throughout her college season, she you know, had her ups
and downs or became adversity with injuries, but you know,
the final four with a Yukon team that was you know,
halfway injured and her being able to get them to
the final four this past year, I think that you know,
people were like, remind me, let me introduce myself. My
name is Page Beckers. I'm here, and so I'm excited
(18:04):
for her ceiling. She's just killing it all around. So
shout out to Pagebeckers. But what excites you the most about,
you know, this three x three league?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think just the overall star power is going to
be exciting to me, Like I hope to get out there,
so whenever they send out your creditionals and stuff, like hey,
put my name on the list. But in all seriousness,
I think just having another domestic league for the offseason
so players don't have to travel, but having more state
signed options I think is a positive. Like we've already
seen that with athletes unlimited and now having another league
(18:34):
with this kind of prize pool to where it's a
different type of game and so for players that's thrive
in more space, like it's another way for them to
showcase their talents. To people that aren't watching women's basketball
like that to be introduced, like, hey, wait a minute,
Rique is crossing up everyone, let me follow her games.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
They're just collecting infinity stones with all of these roster
signings you have, as I mean, can Asia Wilson be
the next start a signed to unrival? I'm not reported this, y'all,
but I think that possibly I would love to see
Asia Wilson playing in a three x three format. We
know how different it is from the five the five,
and you see gold medalists like Jackie Young and Kelsey
(19:12):
Plumb who you know are benefiting from that three x
three format, and how they're playing in five to five,
and just the difference of the formats I think excites
me the most. But also just players controlling their own
narrative when it comes to pay equity. We know that
Vander Stewart is one of the players who've been at
the forefront outspoken about these sort of issues and topics.
(19:32):
So I love that instead of talking about it, let's
be active participants in making this shit happen. Sorry excuse
my friends, y'all, but making making it happen for the
players and just setting setting the tone domestically for women's basketball.
So I'm super excited to see all these players in
the three x three format. I think that it's going
to be great. We know the rules are a little
(19:53):
bit different in half court play. You can't really hide anywhere,
like you gotta you gotta play defense, you gotta be quick.
So I'm excited about that. But what stands out to
you most about Pagebacker's game and how do you think
she potentially can benefit from playing an elite like this
from a basketball standpoint and a skills standpoint in twenty
(20:14):
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
What stands out about her game? Like, she's a really
quick decision maker. She is one of the best pull
up shooters inside the yard that I have ever seen
at any level of basketball. And so you're talking about
a whole bunch of space, and then the three on
three game you're seeing more switching. Generally, if you don't
switch and chew up space, Page is just pulling and
so one I think it'll highlight that aspect of her game.
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But I'll say nitpick again, that's just gonna be the
word of the poker. But one of the nitpicks with
Page on the college game is that she is one
of the best three level scorers in basketball. She doesn't
always look for her shot. She is very much a
willing facilitator. I think in a three on three setting,
she has to be more aggressive as a score and
I think just having that mindset obviously you could turn
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it on, but having to do that more consistently, I
think with both well for forward, I agree.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I think that she's one of the best two wait
guards that we see in college hoops right now. I'm
excited to first of all, to see her play at
the next level as when we look at that expansion
draft next year and the year after, I think that,
you know, a lot of teams can benefit from having
someone like a Pagebackers on their team. I'm also excited
to see if maybe Katelyn Clark will be interested in
(21:23):
joining Unrifled Basketball League. I think that she's also a
player that can benefit from playing in this style of basketball.
What do you think would you want to see Katelin
Clark in a three x three format?
Speaker 6 (21:32):
What?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I want to see it? Yes, Will she want to
do it? Is kind of where my brow raises, just
because she's coming off you know, just this past year
college straight into the draft, straight into the All Star Yeah,
you were in Phoenix with me for All Stars. You
saw how happy she was post game, Like, oh my goodness,
only one more of these and I can finally go
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on vacation. She's very much ready to rest, and so
I would imagine at least for this year coming up,
she's going to enjoy her first like actual offseason. But
I think at least in the short term, I don't
think she does it skill wise, Absolutely she could fit.
In terms of my personal interest, I would asolutely love
to see it. I'm not expecting that until at least
twenty six.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
All right, so we're gonna take a quick break. We
come back.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
We're going to talk about WNBA's second half of the season,
and we have some predictions coming up. Welcome back to
(22:35):
in case you missed it with Christina Williams, and I'm
joined here by Nicias Duncan, who's helping me break down
all of the latest headlines in women's basketball. Sonnicayas, it's
been a lot of fun chatting with you. The second
half of the WNBA season is right around the corner,
and there's a lot to get into as teams looked
for a postseason. Burke the New York Liberty. They're right
(22:56):
at the top at number one in the standings. The
Aces are making the client after inserving Chelsea great back
into the lineup. The Minnesota Links, they've been the sleeper
team of the season. No one could have ever predicted
the outcome of the first half of the season for them.
Despite many of their players having multiple stops in their
careers and often being underrated, they have come together to
(23:17):
form a team that cannot be denied. And Caylea McBride agrees.
Listen to what she had to say about it. What
do you attribute that to success too, and what can
we expect going into the second half of the season.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
It's been amazing.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Obviously winning helps, yeah, we know that, but as a collective,
like I think since day one, everybody came as themselves.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
So everybody has their story.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
T Haideman was in Connecticut for five years, been to
the finals. Courtney's bounced around, She's had an amazing success
consistency throughout the league. Land came in, She's kind of
bounced around a little bit too, kind of finding her way,
finding her footing, and everybody kind of just came in
as themselves. Obviously, Fie and I we have really a
great bond on and off the court. We've been here
for a while. You have Cheryl, We're coached by Hall
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of famers every day, Rebecca Bunch and Katie Smith. So
we just have this group of like hoopers that enjoy
being around each other. And it's been very very organic.
We problem solved, we figured out, we push each other,
we motivate each other, and it's just very organic. We
have a lot of love for who we are just
and approaching it every day, like as as ourselves and
even our bench Chechi's in Zasini, Olivia and Poopa, Like
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everybody has their story, right, but when you're here with
the links, like this is a safe space to be
ourselves and go to work. And I think that that's
been a testament to the first half of the season
when the commissioner cup, you know.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
So I think that even though the adverse situations, when
you have the.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
Hills and valleys of the season, which is it's hard,
it's always gonna happen, play twenty five games in like
six weeks, it feels like it feels like they's just
like back to back, finding a way to still find
the joy with each other and motivate each other and
pick each other up. Has been really, really valuable for us.
So obviously we have a time to reset right now.
We want to hit the ground running too, you know.
And I think that everybody has that same mindset, and
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we just want to be the best version of ourselves
become the end of the season, and I think that
we're in a good space to.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Do that time. I'm from Minnesota basketball, right, like the.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Timberwolves made their run, and obviously winning is embedded in
the Minnesota Links culture. And why is it such an
exciting time for basketball in Minnesota specifically?
Speaker 6 (25:12):
I mean it's just like a revamp too.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
You know.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Obviously they had the dynasty, the Miyam Moors, Mon Augustus.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
You know, and when so left, Fie and I, you know, we.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Kind of had to take over that reign of like
what's next along with share on the organization. But I
think adding these pieces, it is just like it gives
us new life energy.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
To see what we can do, you know, being the
number three seed.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
Like I said when the commissioner cup, how far can
we really take this thing? How much are we willing
to give to each other to see what we can
really do and so we're excited about that.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Obviously, the Timberwolves.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
One get a couple of games finals is crazy, you know,
So just exciting time to be in Minnesota and playing basketball.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So, in your opinion going into the second half of
this season, what is standing out to you the most?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Obviously the Wings have not gotten off to a great
start at all because of all the injuries that they
had to deal with, But they aren't that far out
of the eight spot. And so now you're inserting south
to Sobly back into the lineup, like, do we see
a second half push for them? A similar conversation with
the Atlanta Dream as they've been injury riddled. Jordan Canada
miss time, she got back in immediately got hurt again.
Ryan Howard missed time and now Ryan's back, So like
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does Atlanta, who has been I think the worst offense
in the w in terms of offensive rating with Ryan
back in the fold, does the offense look better? Does
the defense get more firm? Do they make a push?
The Liberty have been elite on both ends of the ball.
The Minnesota Links have been the big surprise because they
have been an elite defense all year long and That's
something that I had a big question about heading into
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the year. I knew the offense was gonna be really good,
really versatile. I didn't know if the defense was gonna
be good enough to make the offense pop. And you
can argue the defense just been flat out better than
the offense this year. And with the ass you can't
count them out even if you want to.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So look, when I spoke to Kelsey Plumb at All Star,
I was interviewing her, she was like, it was the
Liberty last year, So they are keeping receipts on like
who's picking weird, Like they keep the receipts And it
was so it was so hilarious because I didn't expect
her to say that to me. She was like, you
were I was like, no, I thought it was gonna
go to five games, and you know, Liberty was looking
good second half of the season. But I think the
Liberty are looking great on both sides of the ball.
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They're starting to gail. Obviously, the starting five was very
fluid and had that experience in playing together last year.
Jonathan Cole, He's made a big switch up in free agency,
got some players who were a little bit more into
changeable Leoni Fevich, Ivana Duykch Nearisoboli, who's been having a
solid year but then also riddled with some injuries. Benigulini Hamilton.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
She's had a.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Surgery before the break and she's out what four to
six weeks, and she should be coming back soon. So
it's gonna be interested in the second half of the
season to see how they can carry that momentum from
the first half into the second half of the season.
Sabrini and Nasku has been playing out of her mind,
Like I'm gonna keep saying that to the ten tops.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
She's been playing.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Some of her best basketball since she started playing in
the WNBA. To me, she's a three level scorer now.
She's more confident get into the basket. Yes, she's taking
less three point shots. She's a little bit less efficient
versus last season from three. But I just think that
the way she's able to open up the floor for
the other players, get more players involved on offense, that
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spurt when Courtney Banners Lute was out, how she was
able to lead the liberty. I think she's playing more confidently,
Like I mean, she was drafted at number one, so
she's just coming into that. So I think that the Liberty, Yes,
they will be in good hands. Could they be a
playoff team? We know the WNBA regular season does not matter.
It's all about the postseason. So I'm tracking. I guess
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what the second half of the season will look like
for the Liberty. I think that the championship window with
this team is just as small as the championship window
is for teams like Connecticut as well in terms of
keeping the core group together. In twenty twenty six, NBA
is really not going to look the same as we
see it today because literally everyone's going to be free agents,
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There's going to be a new CBA, just a lot
of different moving parts, expansion drafts, and so I think
that the window for this Liberty team is win now.
We got we gotta win now. We have, you know,
all of these all stars and champions and high level players.
We gotta finish the deal. Bring the first you know,
championship to the New York Liberty franchise. But I still
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think that the Aces are the team to beat.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, you have to beat them three times, like I've
been on like some of the defensive Slippers this year. Obviously,
roles have had to be adjusted while Chelsea was out
Jackie Moore on ball, Kelsey More on ball, and stuff
like that. Asian has just been the best player in
the world regardless of.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
All this, like unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It's like mind blowing to just see her absolutely dominate
and there's just no answer for Easan Wilson.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
There's nothing but like as Chelsea's come back and people
are getting reoriented into their ideal roles. You saw what
the stretch of play looked like heading into the break
until that Chicago Sky loss. I was in the building
for that one. Good Lord Kennedy Carter. But overall you
to see that pocket time when Chelsea became a starter,
It's like, Okay, they're now just beating teams by a
million points in the minutes that Chelsea plays. A's just
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still ridiculous. Jackie Kelsey are now getting more catch and
shoot threes instead of the pull ups, and so you're
still starting to see the efficiency up tip with them,
especially Kelsey. That's the three point shooting bounced back after
the slow start.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I absolutely agree with you, Nick hayas I think that
Kelsey Plum has been, you know, a huge part to
the LAS Vegas Aces turnaround, But you can't deny what
Chelsea Gray has done for this team since her return
from injury. She is and was that missing piece that
helped them to start to gain a little bit more momentum.
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And Kelsey Plum broke it all down from me a
couple of weeks ago in Benix.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Listen to what she had to say.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
What can you say about this team right now, the
Aces and how you've been able to face adversity and
navigate through the season.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
It's tough. We kind of anytime.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
I've kind of said this before, but anytime you've taken
it ingredient out of a cake, it's different. Everyone's trying
to adjust. You take someone like Chelsea right up the cake.
I was joking, but it's really real. Chelsea's like the
sugar in the cake. So for a while there we
just had cornbread and no one's used to that, right,
So you know, we're all trying to adjust and and everything.
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And it was tough, right just because you're asking different
people to play different roles. And even though it might
seem a little bit insignificant, it's actually not. Because when
Chelsea comes back into the lineup kind of puts everyone
in their natural position, their natural role, which we've been
doing for so long. So I think that that was
kind of something that we had to get together. And
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I also think too, it's tough, man, when you win
back to back, every time you play someone, they're coming
to try to, you know, set the tone against you, right,
and so yeah, there's been games where we should have
won and we didn't play hard enough. You know, we
didn't have the juice that they did. And it's tough.
That's why no one's ever done it. But you know,
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it's just this, it's difficult. The league is continuing to
get better. Everyone is so good. On any given night,
anyone can be beat. And that's that's why I think
you've seen a struggle a little bit. But however, we
have a break right now. We're gonna go do what
we need to do in Paris and come back and
we'll be ready for the second half.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
You can shrug your shoulders at some of the stuff,
you can highlight some of the stuff, but then you
get in the playoff setting and it's four of the
best twelve or thirteen players in the w on the
same team, Like, you still have to deal with that Yeah,
now you have Tiffany Hayes coming.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Off the bench.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Who only Becky Hammon could call up a retired Tiffany
Hayes and get her out of retirement, six months into retirement,
call her up and be like we need you, and
you get Tiffany Hayes, who's ridiculous as well off the
bench for the Aces and she's been doing great.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
And then three x three as well.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I'm over at the Olympics in Paris, but yeah, I
think the Aces are still a pretty scary team despite
slow start to their season. Connecticut has also made moves
ahead of the WNBA tradeline, adding a player like Marina
Maybury who can shoot the three offloading some pieces as
well getting some draft stock. How do you think the
insertion of Marina Maybury is beneficial to Connecticut?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
They certainly need the three point shooting in terms of
the efficiency, but they definitely need it in terms of
the volume because ultimately, Rachel Bannham a bit of an
up and down season as a three point shooter. So far,
we know she can knock them down, but Maria Jefferson
in and out the lineup, she can knock down threes
for how many is she gonna take DJN Carrington getting
more comfortable with the three point shot, but she hasn't
shot that well this year, Ty Harris shooting well from three,
But how many we s you'll take with Marina Maybury,
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whether she's coming off of screens or she's just flowing
and pick and roll, she will get the shots up.
And I think that has a level of inherent value
that should bolster Connecticut's offense. And you think about the
word that Marina does as a screener as well, like
we saw it a lot in Chicago, setting across screens
for Andel's post up, setting across screens for Camilla Cardoso
host ups. I am really excited to watch her screen
for a list of Thomas.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, I think I'm excited to see Marina Maybury and
Stephanie White system, but also how she can be a
compliment to Alyssa Thomas's style of play. And I spoke
to Alyssa a few weeks ago in Phoenix about this
added piece to the Connecticut Sun and how it could
benefit of the team on their quest to win their
first championship in Connecticut Sun franchise history.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
We have a lot of great players, of course, like
I said, we had a great start to season, but
we had a lot of holes, you know, at the
end of the day where we're trying to win a championship,
and you know, I think even being in second place,
I think we still felt that, you know, we had
some work to do to win a championship. And we
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go out and make a trade for Marina so they
got three yes, which we know was something we needed.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
I think we.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Sat tenth in three point shooting and yeah, that's not
going to win a championship. So going out to get her,
huge piece and huge competitor, and just super excited to
have Aroun on our roster. So basically what you're saying
is going to be scary hours. That can half of
the season for Connecticut Son.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I mean you said, so we know that the discussion
between Angel Reaes and Caitlin Clark has been taking social
media by storm. But a few weeks ago, prior to
Team USA headed to Paris and Phoenix, I had a
chance to sit down with some WNBA vets like Britney
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Griner and Diana Trozzi, and I really wanted to get
their thoughts on the Rookie of the Year race and
Angel Reese and Caitlyn Clark. Here's what they had to
say about these two rookies and how they measure up.
What do you think separates this rookie class from others?
Speaker 9 (35:42):
Those two specifically have Just what they brought in their
first year as rookies has.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Just been unbelievable.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
Obviously, what they did in college was you know, groundbreaking
in a lot of ways, and to be able to
see that and now into the WNBA, the future is
just so bright for them for what they're going to
do for their teams for this league.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
And I'll be following you.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Are obviously a veteran in this league. Any advice for
those two rookies as they look to make their debut
this weekend.
Speaker 10 (36:09):
They've came into the league and we were seeing what
they're doing, like it's translating, and you know, they're proving
a lot of people wrong that had doubts. I don't
know why they would even have doubts, but they're killing
it and we're going to see We're going to see
it for a while. You know, Lead's in a good
place with them.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Obviously.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
The Rookie of the Year race has been a topic
of conversation and you know, I consider you a great
basketball mind. So we look at angel Rees and Caitlyn Clark.
You know, I think that you know their neck and neck,
and obviously the second half of the season will determine
who gets the award.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
What have you been seeing from both rookies that you like?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Tracking the growth of Caitlyn Clark and Angelice has been
a lot of fun. Now quick hat tip to my
guy Steve Jones Jr. Who's been on this all year
longest we've done the pot together.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
But yeah, but you've.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Seen like the high turnover counts for Kaitlyn and like
what it looked like early on in the season when
teams like Connecticut or Seattle would blitz her and pick
and roll. It was quick retreat. Let me pick up
the ball, let me survey the field. The defense gets
three set and sometimes Kaitlyn tossing the pass is getting
picked off. Now you put two on the ball against Kaitlyn,
she's getting the ball out immediately. Or let me dribble
down the sideline to string this out. Now your defense
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is in peril. Now can make the pass that I want.
And now a Leah Boston looks more comfortable on the
short roll and the Lissa Smith is making players in
the short role in Indiana's office just looks better. So
like watching Caitlyn grow against pressure and against Blitz's has
been a lot of fun. With angel Rees to finishing
with angel Rees, What types of shots has she taken
on these post ups or after offensive rebounds, What it's
the angle that she's taken and stuff like that. She's
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gotten more patient, She's done a much better job of
stealing her defenders and creating space for her to get
cleaner looks off. We already know the rebounding gets been
there all year, the defense has been there year all year,
but just tracking the growth of her as a finisher,
sprinkling in more mint range jumpers. Now we saw that
Storm game. I think she made two threes not too
long ago. You're starting to see the expansion of angel
Rees offensively and that's been a lot of fun for
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me to watch. So both of them, in addition to
just being really good rookies, seeing how much better they
are in July versus where they were in May has
been a lot of fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
So in your opinion, who has the edge for Rookie.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Of the Year, I would say right now, I probably
lean Caitlyn Clark. If for another reason, then just the
level of offensive responsibility that she has is not something
that Angel does right now. I think she's clearly been
a better defensive player.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
She's been an elite rebounder.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
The Sky to this point have still just won their
minutes with the Angel rees on the floor and that isn't
the case for Kaitlyn, though. That is starting to close
in if you just filter.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
It by month.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But the amount of responsibility that Caitlyn Clark has on
the ball, even with the turnover numbers up there and
assist and that's even that's trending upward as we went
into the break. She's been above lead average efficiency all
year long, even when she wasn't shooting that well, and
now that you're seeing more comfort inside there from her,
that efficiency is even rising for her. And then you
just look at the box score numbers, like how many
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players are matching that production. Both the Fever and Sky
are playoff teams right now. But I think Caitlyn is
more of a driver offensively.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Right now than what Angel is.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
And while the complaints about Kaitlyn's defense were valid early
on in the year, and I think there is still
just room for her to get better. It is worth
acknowledge that she has become a better defender as the
season's gone on, but you can point to like to
still in the block numbers. I don't care much about
that portion. But as Indiana's leaning the more switching, like,
I think she's done a better job of holding her
own or when they're trying to get her out of
a matchup, she's gotten out of there quicker. So like
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you're seeing that defensive growth on there. So I think
it's still fair to dub Angel as the two way
player of the two but I don't think like Caitlyn
is a complete zero defense like many would have said
she was early on in the year.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I think that's great points.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
So nikaias is Caitlyn Clark with the edge so far
and the Rookie of the Year race? All right, So, Nicias,
I know you talked about Caitlyn Clark and Angel Reese
being you know, neck and neck in terms of the
Rookie of the Year race, But I want to propose
something else to you. Can you consider Leoni Piebitch as
a candidate for Rookie of the Year. She's on the
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New York Liberty, who is number one than the standings
right now? Could she be the most important rookie this season?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I'll ask her the second question first, Could she be
the most important rookie in the second half.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Of the year.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Like, I think you can make the case just because
of you know, it's through the lens of Benigeleney Hamilton
being out as Benija. I think depending on how many
games she plays, like she should just make an all
defense scene this year with what she's done on that
end of the floor, Like we are already seeing Leo
close out games for the Liberty. We've also seen what
she's looked like in the Olympic play. Her ability to
defend the multiple positions, her ability to make things happen
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off the ball offensively, her ability to make plays with
the ball in her hands. But more important, like the
shooting is gonna be the big calling point there, like
they need her to be really good. And so again
that's not arguing she's better than Caitlyn or better than injuries.
I would have made that argument, but for a team
with legitimate you know, the sky and the Fever are
seven and eight. The Liberty are trying to win a
title right now, and so as a rookie that is
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in the rotation of a legitimate title contender, Like that's
a different level of pressure. So like to the second
part of the question, like, I think you can make
the argument that she could end up being like the
most impactful rookie. If she plays well, it helps the
Liberty tide the BBNIJA thing, and if Fanaja comes back,
that's just another wing that they can throw.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
At whoever they face in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
As far as Rookie of the Year candidate, like I
can't get all the way there, Like I don't think
she's had a better season than Kaitlyn or Angel. I
don't think she's had a better season than Rakia Jackson.
So I guess with that part, like that's just gonna
depend on how much you value like defense as a concept,
not that Riki has been bad, but Leo's been really good.
And like just like you know, on off stuff like the.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Liberty winning, the minutes with Lee on the floor, etcetera.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Like those kinds of things, Like I think you can
argue Leo as high as three, I will probably still
just have Rookia three. So it's more I think she's
I think she's a lot for the rookie team. I'll
say that Barney injury, I think she's just she's just
one of those five.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, I definitely think that she makes a case to
be in the conversation at least as that third fourth
when we talk about the Rookie of the Year, your
race one and two, I think is you know, Angel Rees, Caplin, Clark,
not in any type of order, but I think you
know those are the two, but just making it clear,
like you know those are the top two. And I
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definitely think that she can make you know, the All
Rookie team as well. So I'm excited to see the
New York Liberty in the second half of the season
and how they adjust with Benaje, Laney Hamilton post surgery,
with Ayrsopoli who's also dealing with an injury as well,
like the minutes that Leo will be able to play for.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
The Liberty going into the second half of the season.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Ok.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Actually, can I ask you a quick question, what do
you have for me because I haven't seen them on
your timeline? What were your thoughts about Kayla Thornton and
Papa John's opinions?
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Papa John's if you're listening. No disrespect, but Kayla, I
don't know. You gotta take Kayla's for better pizza spots
in New York City Papa John's.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
No comment, Okay, all right, that's all okay.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Just there's better pizza spots in New York than Papa
John's Kayla.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
So we gotta we gotta put her on. We gotta
put her on some better pizza spots.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Just speagure out as.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Nicias.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Thank you so much for joining me this week. It's
been so much fun just chatting hoops, ex's and o's
predictions with you.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Thank you for having me. It's a blast.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
If I haven't outwarned my welcome, I'd love to come
back at some point.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
You're always invited.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
But no, it all serious is keep doing what you're doing.
You have been a trailblazer in the space for a
very long time. I really respect everything that you are
doing and what you mean to the space. So I
just appreciate you for what you're doing and what you are.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Oh my god, that's so much love. Thank you, and
keep doing what you're doing. Like seriously, whatever, I need
to get some miltes on exod it. Ohs, I'm listening
to the Dunkers podcast with you and Steve.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Just keep killing it, man, appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
It's time for my spotlight of the week. I want
to highlight Flavor Flav. He's been doing such an amazing
job by being an ambassador and a supporter of the
women's US warter polo team, but also he's been supporting
athletes all around. Last week, there was a viral moment
on X when Olympic disc thrower Veronica Frehley posted on
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X that she could not pay her rent and she
was out in the Olympics ready to compete. So Flavor
Flave he saw her tweet, it went viral and he
offered to pay her rent for the month, and then
Alexis on Hannian came in and.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Paid her rent for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
So kudos to the men who support and advocate for
women in sports. I think that it's dope. Flavor Flave
is not the person that I would have had on
my Bengo card in twenty twenty four to be at
the forefront of women's sports and supporting. So shout out
to Flavor Flave, who's completing side missions in powers right
now with the US Women's polo team, but also just
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supporting women in sports in general. Love everything that you're doing,
and here are my final thoughts. Next week, the WNBA
returns with some very exciting matchups. You have in Phoenix,
Mercury at the Sky, the Mystics at the Links, and
the Liberty at the Sparks, so make sure you stay
tuned and locked into everything that's happening for the second
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half of the WNBA season. I also want to thank
Nakai s. Duncan again for coming on this week to
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In Case You Missed It with Christina Williams is an
iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports
and Entertainment. Welcome back to another episode of In Case
You Missed It with Christina Williams, and I am so
excited to be back. I don't know about you, guys,
but I've been having a little bit of an Olympic hangover.
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I've been staying up late watching every single sport, track
and field, seeing Shakiri win her first silver, gymnastics Mombiles,
how can you not love her? And of course Kate Ladecki,
She's been dominating the goat of swimming. But we're gonna
dive into USA basketball. Who has won fifty eight in
a row? Could it be time for a roster change? Plus,
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Paige Becker's is the latest athlete to sign to the
unrivaled Basketball League. What does it mean for the college game?
And later we're going to talk about the second half
of the WNBA season, the Rookie of the Year race,
and some title predictions. Here with me this week to
break it all down is basketball analyst and co host
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of The Dunker Spot Nikayas Duncan. Nikaias Thank you so
much for being here this week with me.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Thanks for having me. I am honored to be hon
with the Christina Williams so just excited to have fun
and talk to basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You're one of the greatest basketball minds out here, so
I salute to you. But let's dive into USA basketball.
So they won over the weekend. They defeated Germany by
nineteen points, and we'll head to the Metal Rounds and
will face Nigeria on Wednesday. Now, lots to talk about
in this game, Lots like I want to dive all
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the way into it, but breakout performance from Jackie Young,
who finished with a team's best nineteen points. She had
four steels. She's pretty efficient from three in from the field.
What stood out to you about this game?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I think it has to start with Jackie Young. I
think her minutes have been something that I've been tracking
since the Showcase games and early on in the Olympic play.
A lot of guards and a lot of wings on
this roster, and so Jackie kind of being one of
the last players to kind of enter in like mid
lake second quarter was interesting to me as someone who
is obviously a really good basketball player, but more importantly,
can defend at a high level, can drive at a
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high level, cad shoot at high level. So just kind
of wondering when she was going to get consistent run
and this third game happened to be it, and she
made her impact immediately. Like you saw the point of
attack defense, you saw the screen navigation, you saw some
of the early drives and pull ups, you saw the
three point shooting, and she just kind of worked as
a connector and a tone setter on both ends of
the floor.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I absolutely agree with that because I think that to
set the tone, Germany came out punching right like Leoni Fibitch.
She set the tone with that three and then they
were aggressive from the start, but it took USA a
little bit to get going, and it was Jackie Young
in that second quarter who really kind of changed the
momentum for Team USA.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It just kind of showcases that she wants. She can't
slide into any role you need her to. You obviously
know HER's the star and the starter with the aces
with this Olympic group. She can't come in with the
second unit and just inject life when they need it.
But to your point, Germany did come out early something
I've been enjoying with Team Germany and with Satu Sobdi
in particular. She looks so much more comfortable flowing in
the pull up threes. That is a terrifying thought. We
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saw her have her best three point shooting season of
her career last year with Dallas. Haven't seen her in
the w this year she would cover from injury, but
with Germany, you see the drives coming back. She's been
stout defensively and the three point shooting is really pop.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And we know that there's going to be some sort
of adjustment period for Sato, who's returning from an injury.
She missed the first half of the w NBA season,
so really we're seeing her slowly get back into the
groove of things, and you know, there was a little
fatigue at some points. We saw her and different sports
go in and out of the game, but she was
really that anger for Germany. Leoni Feevich she had a
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really solid game for Germany as well and went down
after a collision with Elyssa Thomas.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Miles.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Erlick at Weinsider reported she's going to be okay, and
you know, so she's gonna be okay, but Alexis Peterson
as well for Germany. How can you not talk about
her and what she brung in terms of just really
facilitating the offense and just being, you know, that fire
starter for Germany. But back to Team USA, the backcourt
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has seen a little bit of struggles in terms of
consistency getting off of those slow starts. How do they
get over that hump?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Now?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
People across social media have been suggesting maybe Cheryl Reeve
could consider a roster switch up to help them get
over this hump. And we saw in the game over
the weekend how she utilized Sabrinnan and rescue jew Lloyd
and didn't play Chelsea Gray Diana Tarazzi in the second
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half of the game against Germany, and we saw it
actually worked out beneficially for Team USA to make those
different lineup changes. People have also been suggested maybe the
Fisa Collier, she's starting at the three, and why don't
you insert Alyssa Thomas into that starting lineup who can
defend and play a little bit better at the three
perc Maybe Khalia Copper who has been seeing not a
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lot of minutes. Alyssa Thomas finished with the team's best
plus twenty nine in that game against Germany. They don't
call her for the engine for nothing, right, Like, she
really set the tone and did things that you don't
necessarily see in the box score.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
We know that Alissa she's.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Quick, she can defend, she can facilitate an offense. She's interchangeable.
When we talk about her style of play, you know,
maybe shel Reeve can make the Feasta come out in
the second unit. What are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I guess for me, it just depends on what Team
USA is looking for, because I think it's easy to
point to the guards as Chelsea's got some games under
her belt now she recovered from her own injury, but
she still isn't peak Chelsea Gray yet. Diana Tarrossi obviously
an elder statesman of this roster, one of the greatest ever.
But if you just look at the minute distribution of
those two, like we haven't seen a high minute game
from Chelsea yet, and with Diana Tarrossi, we haven't seen
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a high minute game with her either. Like it seems
like rotation wise, it's very much been y'all are obviously starting,
but you're gonna get this opening stretch of the first quarter,
you're gonna get this opening stretch the third quarter and
we can just kind of mix and match from there.
So before even digging deeper into that, I'll one quote
the great Don Staley A she say, Hey, it's not
easy to make these lineup decisions. They haven't had a
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ton of time together and so these games they obviously
want to qualify the metal rounds and things like that,
but they're trying to figure out what are the best combinations,
what are our best lineups? When do we want to
go to those lineups. So it's a lot to try
to figure out in basically two weeks time if that,
And so I think there is just a level of
grace that needs to be given on that front. But
as it pertains to the minute distribution and stuff, I
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think if you're going to make a starting lineup change,
like it's probably easier to do it with Diana to
ROSSI I wonder if they even want to do that
one just for what Diana means two team you'll say
this is I think it's gonna be her last Olympic run,
so you don't want it to take her out. But
because she's getting like first five to six minutes of
the first first five to six minutes of the third,
and that's just kind of it. If you do move
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her to the second unit, I think you are now
flowing into the conversation of Okay, are we playing her
or Kelsey? Are we playing her?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Or Jackie?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Are you playing her or Ca? And I think if
she isn't starting and she isn't getting those minutes, it
becomes easier to not play her altogether, which in a
pure basketball point of view, like you could make a
case for that as we just have a bunch of
talented guards and wings on Team USA. You fat during
all of the other stuff, I don't think they want
to press that button.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, I think that Team USA. Yes they have slow starts.
Yes they've been struggling from three, But it's all, as
you said, in building that chemistry, figuring out what lineups work,
how they play together, the gelling of it all. But yeah,
I'm not questioning Cheryl Reeves's decisions as a coach. She's
one of the most winning best coaches and women's basketball history.
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She definitely knows what she's doing. But Asia Wilson and
Branda stewart Man, that duo has been playing off the chain.
So today Team USA they play Nigeria, who qualified for
the Metal Rounds for the first time in history. I
believe and I think that that's an underrated team. This
is a team that's been through a lot in terms
of overcoming adversity. What stands out to you about this
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Nigerian team and how can Team USA continue on their
winning streak.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I think one with Jigeria, they are really aggressive defensively,
So I would just say if we're going back to
like nitpicks with Team USA, like the turnovers can get
a little hazy for them, and Nigeria's are very, very
very aggressive defensive team. They will pick you up half court.
They're super physical off the ball, So if you're getting
frustrated coming off of screens and you're getting into cheap
offensive files, that could be a problem. Ultimately, Nigeria can
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really turn you over. Even going back to their recent
game against Canada, Canada had twenty six turnovers in that game.
Nigeria had sixteen steals in.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
That basketball game.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
So if TM USA doesn't take care of the ball,
this can't turn into a track meet, and ultimately team
you can end up in the fight that they don't
want to be in.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I think to me what stood out about TMUSA through
the first couple games is that their best when they're
in transition. They're their best when they play the inside
outside game. Obviously, we see that they've been struggling from three,
but the front court and TEAMUS say so strong. Although
the back court has been struggling a little bit to
just be consistent in terms of the offense and when
they move the ball, though, I think that they play well.
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And actually a few weeks ago, I had the opportunity
to speak to Alyssa Thomas while I was in Phoenix,
a w NBA All Star, about what it means to
play for Team USA and the standard and the mentality
going into the games. Take a listen to what she
had to say.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I think we know what we're here for. It's the
standard to win a gold medal. At the same time,
got a lot of teams coming after us, and we
know we're gonna get everyone's best game. And for us,
I think we have to approach every game like it's
the gold medal game and give everyone, what you know,
our best shot as well.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So yeah, I absolutely love what Alyssa Thomas said because
she understands the mentality coming into these games. The USA
has a target on their back because they are the
most one of the most winningest teams, and we talk about,
you know, the Olympics and wanting to win, and so
these team are not going to make it easy for
Team USA. What are your thoughts about what she had
to say.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I think she nailed it, And like, obviously as someone
that's in a whole bunch of Aces pressers, like it's
similar to what Age Wilson's had to say this year,
what Kelsey said Chelsea Jackie on down the line, like
we're kind of the hunted right now. We know we're
gonna get everyone's best shot. And so as we talked
a little bit earlier about just to collect the chemistry
of you know, some of the aces playing together. You
got multiple liberty players on the roster, You have multiple
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Mercury players on the roster, but all have been tested
either in a championship way on the W side or
in Olympic player already, so they already kind of have
the understanding of what's coming for them. But it's not
enough to know, like you still have to put you know,
action to word, et cetera. And come out with the
appropriated level of urgency and attention to detail and so
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you know, tying it back into the taking care of
the ball portion, make sure they're getting to their offensive
in a fluid way. They have to nail those little
things because once you get into play like this, you've
set it up top. Like I think this is the
first like metal opportunity for Nigeria. Not only do they
want to play Team USA, they are somewhere, they're playing
with house money, Like this is a greater consent for
them already. Yeah, you have to bring it on you're
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facing a situation like that.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So we talked about roster changes and what combinations of
players would work the best. I'm curious if you had
to pick five players to start for Team USA or
players that you would kind of change in a roster,
what would your five be?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Ooh we I think just looking at Team USA start
lineup right now, again, like I think there is room
to swap out Sabrina for Diana, or I guess vice versa,
swapping out Diana for Sabrina, just to make the easy
sign up change in terms of just what my favorite
five is right now, Like going back to the Germany game, like,
they rolled out Kelsey Plumb, Jackie Young, Breonna Stewart, a
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list of Thomas and Asian Wilson, and at that point, like,
what do you do? I think Kelsey's defense has been
good so far throughout the tournament. Asia, Stewie and at
are three of the best.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Defenders in the world.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I like that combination too.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You just named the all of the players essentially outside
of Chelsea Gray and that lineup, and I think that
because they have that chemistry, it automatically clicks. And obviously
Branda Stewart, Alyssa Thomas, I mean Alyssa brink because she springs.
They call her the engine for a reason. She sets
the tone, especially defensively, and does a little bit of
everything on the floor. But then Brianda's Stewart. She's a champion,
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she's a gold medalist, She's won at every level. She
has that chemistry with Asia Wilson, And you know, I
think that the chemistry and experience of that core group
that you just said is one of my favorites as well.
This is a team that's interchangeable. I mean everyone is
kind of bought in and knowing that it's not about
the minutes you play, but it's making the most of
the minutes that you have when you're on the floor
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and just doing what Team USA has brought you in
to do. I spoke to Kelsey Plump prior to her
coming to Paris and the Olympics, and she said, you know,
I know that what I do in the WNBA won't
necessarily be what they need me to do on Team USA,
and so I just have to be willing to adapt
and change and adjust on the fly to do what's
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needed to do for the ultimate goal of winning a
gold medal. And so I think all these players know
at the end of the day what the end goal is.
And so I'm excited to see this matchup against Nigeria.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It should be a fun one. It should be a
fun one.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Looking at some of the other matchups, you have Serbia
going against Australia, you have Spain going against Belgium, Germany
against France. Is there any team that's in these metal
rounds that you feel like is underrated, like a sleeper team?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I guess if we're going sleeper is probably Australia, especially
since they're on USA's side of the brackets. If they
are of the beat in Nigeria, we see what happens
in the Serbia Australia matchup, I guess that will probably
be the closest one to a sleeper for me. But
even then, if you're looking at Zie Matt mcgory, you're
looking at Atlanta Smith, Sammy wibbcoms coming off a tremendous
game like they have W high level, w talented that
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and so as we talk about some of the things
that may have bothered Team USA so far, like collective
size and activity defensively like Australia can provide like that,
if Tim Yosa doesn't get three point shots to go,
Australia will get them up so that you do have
the variance thing get play there. So I guess Australia
would probably be the sleeper for me. Just the entire
other side of the bracket is terrifying. Megan Gusterson's been
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incredible for Spain Belgium with Belgia's been really good friends
with Gaby Williams. I miss watching her in the w
She has been insane defensively, just been insane this entire tournament.
So if tim Yosa is able to make it through
these first two matchups. Whoever they facing the gold medal
game is going to be a tough matchup for him.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Australia, yes they have Atlanta Smith, they have Asie, but
they have someone sitting on the benches, a legend and
Lauren Jackson who hasn't been getting played yet. And that's
like the secret weapon right there. You talk about size
and length, lawd Jackson is a legend and she's still
going strong and playing at efficient level. Could you just
imagine that, like Australia going up against Tim USA and
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you got Lauren Jackson just chilling on the bench like
your secret weapon, like a just in case an emergency button,
Like just throw her in there in the mix and
just you know, switch things up for Team USA.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Hey man, mid second quarter, that second unit with Britney Griner,
now here comes Lauren Jackson.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
It's like, hey, wait a minute, oh.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Gee, how about this?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
All right?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
So we're gonna take a quick break. When we return,
we're gonna talk all things unrivaled, So stay tuned. This
is in case you missed it with Christina Williams. Welcome
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back to In case you missed it with Christina Williams.
I'm here with Women's basketball analysts and co host of
the Dunkers Spot podcast nikaias Duncan, and.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
We're going to get into Unrivaled.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Page Beckers is the latest athlete to sign to the
three x three league co founded by Brandish Stewart and
the FISA Collier. First of all, what was your reaction
when the news dropped that Paige Beckers would be the
latest athlete to sign to Unrivaled.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
My first thought was, this is one heck of a
week for Page as you get Unrivaled and also the
U announcement, It's like, Yo, this is pretty darn cool
for her, and like as someone that enjoys Yukon's women's basketball,
just like the injuries that she's had to deal with
where she's worked her way back to still being a
dominant player, for her to continue to get these opportunities,
it think it's just really nice on a personal level.
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But no, I'm super happy for and excited to see
what that's gonna look like. Because my secondary thought was,
I know Unrivaled launches in twenty twenty five. Yes, it
launches in January. I don't think the season's over yet.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
So I'll break that down for you.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So, Paige will not actually play in Unrivaled in twenty
twenty five, so the deal that she signed is an
NIL deal, and according to my sources, Unrivaled is also
looking to sign more college athletes as well for an
NIL campaign. She will play in unrival but it won't
be next year. It'll probably be the following year in
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twenty twenty six, when she is a w NBA player. However,
through this Unrivaled Basketball League, it was reported that you know,
she'll still get equity into the league. She's gonna be
the first college athlete to get equity into the league.
We know that these players are gonna make on average
quarter million dollars. There'll be like a seven point five
million dollar cap for the thirty players. So this is
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a great opportunity. And to your point, I think that
when we talk about the NIL era and athletes benefiting
from name, image likeness, Paige Becker's and women's college basketball.
She was the first player to sign man and women
to Gatorade. Coming out of high school. She was the
most hype. She was on the cover Slam, So Paige
Becker's I think that people are being reintroduced to her. Obviously,
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throughout her college season, she you know, had her ups
and downs or became adversity with injuries, but you know,
the final four with a Yukon team that was you know,
halfway injured and her being able to get them to
the final four this past year, I think that you know,
people were like, remind me, let me introduce myself. My
name is Page Beckers. I'm here, and so I'm excited
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for her ceiling. She's just killing it all around. So
shout out to Pagebeckers. But what excites you the most about,
you know, this three x three league?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think just the overall star power is going to
be exciting to me, Like I hope to get out there,
so whenever they send out your creditionals and stuff, like hey,
put my name on the list. But in all seriousness,
I think just having another domestic league for the offseason
so players don't have to travel, but having more state
signed options I think is a positive. Like we've already
seen that with athletes unlimited and now having another league
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with this kind of prize pool to where it's a
different type of game and so for players that's thrive
in more space, like it's another way for them to
showcase their talents. To people that aren't watching women's basketball
like that to be introduced, like, hey, wait a minute,
Rique is crossing up everyone, let me follow her games.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
They're just collecting infinity stones with all of these roster
signings you have, as I mean, can Asia Wilson be
the next start a signed to unrival? I'm not reported this, y'all,
but I think that possibly I would love to see
Asia Wilson playing in a three x three format. We
know how different it is from the five the five,
and you see gold medalists like Jackie Young and Kelsey
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Plumb who you know are benefiting from that three x
three format, and how they're playing in five to five,
and just the difference of the formats I think excites
me the most. But also just players controlling their own
narrative when it comes to pay equity. We know that
Vander Stewart is one of the players who've been at
the forefront outspoken about these sort of issues and topics.
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So I love that instead of talking about it, let's
be active participants in making this shit happen. Sorry excuse
my friends, y'all, but making making it happen for the
players and just setting setting the tone domestically for women's basketball.
So I'm super excited to see all these players in
the three x three format. I think that it's going
to be great. We know the rules are a little
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bit different in half court play. You can't really hide anywhere,
like you gotta you gotta play defense, you gotta be quick.
So I'm excited about that. But what stands out to
you most about Pagebacker's game and how do you think
she potentially can benefit from playing an elite like this
from a basketball standpoint and a skills standpoint in twenty
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twenty six.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
What stands out about her game? Like, she's a really
quick decision maker. She is one of the best pull
up shooters inside the yard that I have ever seen
at any level of basketball. And so you're talking about
a whole bunch of space, and then the three on
three game you're seeing more switching. Generally, if you don't
switch and chew up space, Page is just pulling and
so one I think it'll highlight that aspect of her game.
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But I'll say nitpick again, that's just gonna be the
word of the poker. But one of the nitpicks with
Page on the college game is that she is one
of the best three level scorers in basketball. She doesn't
always look for her shot. She is very much a
willing facilitator. I think in a three on three setting,
she has to be more aggressive as a score and
I think just having that mindset obviously you could turn
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it on, but having to do that more consistently, I
think with both well for forward, I agree.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I think that she's one of the best two wait
guards that we see in college hoops right now. I'm
excited to first of all, to see her play at
the next level as when we look at that expansion
draft next year and the year after, I think that,
you know, a lot of teams can benefit from having
someone like a Pagebackers on their team. I'm also excited
to see if maybe Katelyn Clark will be interested in
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joining Unrifled Basketball League. I think that she's also a
player that can benefit from playing in this style of basketball.
What do you think would you want to see Katelin
Clark in a three x three format?
Speaker 6 (21:32):
What?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I want to see it? Yes, Will she want to
do it? Is kind of where my brow raises, just
because she's coming off you know, just this past year
college straight into the draft, straight into the All Star Yeah,
you were in Phoenix with me for All Stars. You
saw how happy she was post game, Like, oh my goodness,
only one more of these and I can finally go
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on vacation. She's very much ready to rest, and so
I would imagine at least for this year coming up,
she's going to enjoy her first like actual offseason. But
I think at least in the short term, I don't
think she does it skill wise, Absolutely she could fit.
In terms of my personal interest, I would asolutely love
to see it. I'm not expecting that until at least
twenty six.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
All right, so we're gonna take a quick break. We
come back.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
We're going to talk about WNBA's second half of the season,
and we have some predictions coming up. Welcome back to
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in case you missed it with Christina Williams, and I'm
joined here by Nicias Duncan, who's helping me break down
all of the latest headlines in women's basketball. Sonnicayas, it's
been a lot of fun chatting with you. The second
half of the WNBA season is right around the corner,
and there's a lot to get into as teams looked
for a postseason. Burke the New York Liberty. They're right
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at the top at number one in the standings. The
Aces are making the client after inserving Chelsea great back
into the lineup. The Minnesota Links, they've been the sleeper
team of the season. No one could have ever predicted
the outcome of the first half of the season for them.
Despite many of their players having multiple stops in their
careers and often being underrated, they have come together to
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form a team that cannot be denied. And Caylea McBride agrees.
Listen to what she had to say about it. What
do you attribute that to success too, and what can
we expect going into the second half of the season.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
It's been amazing.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Obviously winning helps, yeah, we know that, but as a collective,
like I think since day one, everybody came as themselves.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
So everybody has their story.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
T Haideman was in Connecticut for five years, been to
the finals. Courtney's bounced around, She's had an amazing success
consistency throughout the league. Land came in, She's kind of
bounced around a little bit too, kind of finding her way,
finding her footing, and everybody kind of just came in
as themselves. Obviously, Fie and I we have really a
great bond on and off the court. We've been here
for a while. You have Cheryl, We're coached by Hall
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of famers every day, Rebecca Bunch and Katie Smith. So
we just have this group of like hoopers that enjoy
being around each other. And it's been very very organic.
We problem solved, we figured out, we push each other,
we motivate each other, and it's just very organic. We
have a lot of love for who we are just
and approaching it every day, like as as ourselves and
even our bench Chechi's in Zasini, Olivia and Poopa, Like
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everybody has their story, right, but when you're here with
the links, like this is a safe space to be
ourselves and go to work. And I think that that's
been a testament to the first half of the season
when the commissioner cup, you know.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
So I think that even though the adverse situations, when
you have the.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
Hills and valleys of the season, which is it's hard,
it's always gonna happen, play twenty five games in like
six weeks, it feels like it feels like they's just
like back to back, finding a way to still find
the joy with each other and motivate each other and
pick each other up. Has been really, really valuable for us.
So obviously we have a time to reset right now.
We want to hit the ground running too, you know.
And I think that everybody has that same mindset, and
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we just want to be the best version of ourselves
become the end of the season, and I think that
we're in a good space to.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Do that time. I'm from Minnesota basketball, right, like the.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Timberwolves made their run, and obviously winning is embedded in
the Minnesota Links culture. And why is it such an
exciting time for basketball in Minnesota specifically?
Speaker 6 (25:12):
I mean it's just like a revamp too.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
You know.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Obviously they had the dynasty, the Miyam Moors, Mon Augustus.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
You know, and when so left, Fie and I, you know, we.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Kind of had to take over that reign of like
what's next along with share on the organization. But I
think adding these pieces, it is just like it gives
us new life energy.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
To see what we can do, you know, being the
number three seed.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
Like I said when the commissioner cup, how far can
we really take this thing? How much are we willing
to give to each other to see what we can
really do and so we're excited about that.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Obviously, the Timberwolves.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
One get a couple of games finals is crazy, you know,
So just exciting time to be in Minnesota and playing basketball.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So, in your opinion going into the second half of
this season, what is standing out to you the most?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Obviously the Wings have not gotten off to a great
start at all because of all the injuries that they
had to deal with, But they aren't that far out
of the eight spot. And so now you're inserting south
to Sobly back into the lineup, like, do we see
a second half push for them? A similar conversation with
the Atlanta Dream as they've been injury riddled. Jordan Canada
miss time, she got back in immediately got hurt again.
Ryan Howard missed time and now Ryan's back, So like
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does Atlanta, who has been I think the worst offense
in the w in terms of offensive rating with Ryan
back in the fold, does the offense look better? Does
the defense get more firm? Do they make a push?
The Liberty have been elite on both ends of the ball.
The Minnesota Links have been the big surprise because they
have been an elite defense all year long and That's
something that I had a big question about heading into
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the year. I knew the offense was gonna be really good,
really versatile. I didn't know if the defense was gonna
be good enough to make the offense pop. And you
can argue the defense just been flat out better than
the offense this year. And with the ass you can't
count them out even if you want to.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So look, when I spoke to Kelsey Plumb at All Star,
I was interviewing her, she was like, it was the
Liberty last year, So they are keeping receipts on like
who's picking weird, Like they keep the receipts And it
was so it was so hilarious because I didn't expect
her to say that to me. She was like, you
were I was like, no, I thought it was gonna
go to five games, and you know, Liberty was looking
good second half of the season. But I think the
Liberty are looking great on both sides of the ball.
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They're starting to gail. Obviously, the starting five was very
fluid and had that experience in playing together last year.
Jonathan Cole, He's made a big switch up in free agency,
got some players who were a little bit more into
changeable Leoni Fevich, Ivana Duykch Nearisoboli, who's been having a
solid year but then also riddled with some injuries. Benigulini Hamilton.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
She's had a.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Surgery before the break and she's out what four to
six weeks, and she should be coming back soon. So
it's gonna be interested in the second half of the
season to see how they can carry that momentum from
the first half into the second half of the season.
Sabrini and Nasku has been playing out of her mind,
Like I'm gonna keep saying that to the ten tops.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
She's been playing.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Some of her best basketball since she started playing in
the WNBA. To me, she's a three level scorer now.
She's more confident get into the basket. Yes, she's taking
less three point shots. She's a little bit less efficient
versus last season from three. But I just think that
the way she's able to open up the floor for
the other players, get more players involved on offense, that
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spurt when Courtney Banners Lute was out, how she was
able to lead the liberty. I think she's playing more confidently,
Like I mean, she was drafted at number one, so
she's just coming into that. So I think that the Liberty, Yes,
they will be in good hands. Could they be a
playoff team? We know the WNBA regular season does not matter.
It's all about the postseason. So I'm tracking. I guess
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what the second half of the season will look like
for the Liberty. I think that the championship window with
this team is just as small as the championship window
is for teams like Connecticut as well in terms of
keeping the core group together. In twenty twenty six, NBA
is really not going to look the same as we
see it today because literally everyone's going to be free agents,
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There's going to be a new CBA, just a lot
of different moving parts, expansion drafts, and so I think
that the window for this Liberty team is win now.
We got we gotta win now. We have, you know,
all of these all stars and champions and high level players.
We gotta finish the deal. Bring the first you know,
championship to the New York Liberty franchise. But I still
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think that the Aces are the team to beat.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, you have to beat them three times, like I've
been on like some of the defensive Slippers this year. Obviously,
roles have had to be adjusted while Chelsea was out
Jackie Moore on ball, Kelsey More on ball, and stuff
like that. Asian has just been the best player in
the world regardless of.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
All this, like unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It's like mind blowing to just see her absolutely dominate
and there's just no answer for Easan Wilson.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
There's nothing but like as Chelsea's come back and people
are getting reoriented into their ideal roles. You saw what
the stretch of play looked like heading into the break
until that Chicago Sky loss. I was in the building
for that one. Good Lord Kennedy Carter. But overall you
to see that pocket time when Chelsea became a starter,
It's like, Okay, they're now just beating teams by a
million points in the minutes that Chelsea plays. A's just
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still ridiculous. Jackie Kelsey are now getting more catch and
shoot threes instead of the pull ups, and so you're
still starting to see the efficiency up tip with them,
especially Kelsey. That's the three point shooting bounced back after
the slow start.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I absolutely agree with you, Nick hayas I think that
Kelsey Plum has been, you know, a huge part to
the LAS Vegas Aces turnaround, But you can't deny what
Chelsea Gray has done for this team since her return
from injury. She is and was that missing piece that
helped them to start to gain a little bit more momentum.
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And Kelsey Plum broke it all down from me a
couple of weeks ago in Benix.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Listen to what she had to say.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
What can you say about this team right now, the
Aces and how you've been able to face adversity and
navigate through the season.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
It's tough. We kind of anytime.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
I've kind of said this before, but anytime you've taken
it ingredient out of a cake, it's different. Everyone's trying
to adjust. You take someone like Chelsea right up the cake.
I was joking, but it's really real. Chelsea's like the
sugar in the cake. So for a while there we
just had cornbread and no one's used to that, right,
So you know, we're all trying to adjust and and everything.
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And it was tough, right just because you're asking different
people to play different roles. And even though it might
seem a little bit insignificant, it's actually not. Because when
Chelsea comes back into the lineup kind of puts everyone
in their natural position, their natural role, which we've been
doing for so long. So I think that that was
kind of something that we had to get together. And
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I also think too, it's tough, man, when you win
back to back, every time you play someone, they're coming
to try to, you know, set the tone against you, right,
and so yeah, there's been games where we should have
won and we didn't play hard enough. You know, we
didn't have the juice that they did. And it's tough.
That's why no one's ever done it. But you know,
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it's just this, it's difficult. The league is continuing to
get better. Everyone is so good. On any given night,
anyone can be beat. And that's that's why I think
you've seen a struggle a little bit. But however, we
have a break right now. We're gonna go do what
we need to do in Paris and come back and
we'll be ready for the second half.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
You can shrug your shoulders at some of the stuff,
you can highlight some of the stuff, but then you
get in the playoff setting and it's four of the
best twelve or thirteen players in the w on the
same team, Like, you still have to deal with that Yeah,
now you have Tiffany Hayes coming.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Off the bench.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Who only Becky Hammon could call up a retired Tiffany
Hayes and get her out of retirement, six months into retirement,
call her up and be like we need you, and
you get Tiffany Hayes, who's ridiculous as well off the
bench for the Aces and she's been doing great.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
And then three x three as well.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I'm over at the Olympics in Paris, but yeah, I
think the Aces are still a pretty scary team despite
slow start to their season. Connecticut has also made moves
ahead of the WNBA tradeline, adding a player like Marina
Maybury who can shoot the three offloading some pieces as
well getting some draft stock. How do you think the
insertion of Marina Maybury is beneficial to Connecticut?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
They certainly need the three point shooting in terms of
the efficiency, but they definitely need it in terms of
the volume because ultimately, Rachel Bannham a bit of an
up and down season as a three point shooter. So far,
we know she can knock them down, but Maria Jefferson
in and out the lineup, she can knock down threes
for how many is she gonna take DJN Carrington getting
more comfortable with the three point shot, but she hasn't
shot that well this year, Ty Harris shooting well from three,
But how many we s you'll take with Marina Maybury,
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whether she's coming off of screens or she's just flowing
and pick and roll, she will get the shots up.
And I think that has a level of inherent value
that should bolster Connecticut's offense. And you think about the
word that Marina does as a screener as well, like
we saw it a lot in Chicago, setting across screens
for Andel's post up, setting across screens for Camilla Cardoso
host ups. I am really excited to watch her screen
for a list of Thomas.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, I think I'm excited to see Marina Maybury and
Stephanie White system, but also how she can be a
compliment to Alyssa Thomas's style of play. And I spoke
to Alyssa a few weeks ago in Phoenix about this
added piece to the Connecticut Sun and how it could
benefit of the team on their quest to win their
first championship in Connecticut Sun franchise history.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
We have a lot of great players, of course, like
I said, we had a great start to season, but
we had a lot of holes, you know, at the
end of the day where we're trying to win a championship,
and you know, I think even being in second place,
I think we still felt that, you know, we had
some work to do to win a championship. And we
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go out and make a trade for Marina so they
got three yes, which we know was something we needed.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
I think we.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Sat tenth in three point shooting and yeah, that's not
going to win a championship. So going out to get her,
huge piece and huge competitor, and just super excited to
have Aroun on our roster. So basically what you're saying
is going to be scary hours. That can half of
the season for Connecticut Son.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I mean you said, so we know that the discussion
between Angel Reaes and Caitlin Clark has been taking social
media by storm. But a few weeks ago, prior to
Team USA headed to Paris and Phoenix, I had a
chance to sit down with some WNBA vets like Britney
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Griner and Diana Trozzi, and I really wanted to get
their thoughts on the Rookie of the Year race and
Angel Reese and Caitlyn Clark. Here's what they had to
say about these two rookies and how they measure up.
What do you think separates this rookie class from others?
Speaker 9 (35:42):
Those two specifically have Just what they brought in their
first year as rookies has.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Just been unbelievable.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
Obviously, what they did in college was you know, groundbreaking
in a lot of ways, and to be able to
see that and now into the WNBA, the future is
just so bright for them for what they're going to
do for their teams for this league.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
And I'll be following you.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Are obviously a veteran in this league. Any advice for
those two rookies as they look to make their debut
this weekend.
Speaker 10 (36:09):
They've came into the league and we were seeing what
they're doing, like it's translating, and you know, they're proving
a lot of people wrong that had doubts. I don't
know why they would even have doubts, but they're killing
it and we're going to see We're going to see
it for a while. You know, Lead's in a good
place with them.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Obviously.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
The Rookie of the Year race has been a topic
of conversation and you know, I consider you a great
basketball mind. So we look at angel Rees and Caitlyn Clark.
You know, I think that you know their neck and neck,
and obviously the second half of the season will determine
who gets the award.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
What have you been seeing from both rookies that you like?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Tracking the growth of Caitlyn Clark and Angelice has been
a lot of fun. Now quick hat tip to my
guy Steve Jones Jr. Who's been on this all year
longest we've done the pot together.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
But yeah, but you've.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Seen like the high turnover counts for Kaitlyn and like
what it looked like early on in the season when
teams like Connecticut or Seattle would blitz her and pick
and roll. It was quick retreat. Let me pick up
the ball, let me survey the field. The defense gets
three set and sometimes Kaitlyn tossing the pass is getting
picked off. Now you put two on the ball against Kaitlyn,
she's getting the ball out immediately. Or let me dribble
down the sideline to string this out. Now your defense
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is in peril. Now can make the pass that I want.
And now a Leah Boston looks more comfortable on the
short roll and the Lissa Smith is making players in
the short role in Indiana's office just looks better. So
like watching Caitlyn grow against pressure and against Blitz's has
been a lot of fun. With angel Rees to finishing
with angel Rees, What types of shots has she taken
on these post ups or after offensive rebounds, What it's
the angle that she's taken and stuff like that. She's
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gotten more patient, She's done a much better job of
stealing her defenders and creating space for her to get
cleaner looks off. We already know the rebounding gets been
there all year, the defense has been there year all year,
but just tracking the growth of her as a finisher,
sprinkling in more mint range jumpers. Now we saw that
Storm game. I think she made two threes not too
long ago. You're starting to see the expansion of angel
Rees offensively and that's been a lot of fun for
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me to watch. So both of them, in addition to
just being really good rookies, seeing how much better they
are in July versus where they were in May has
been a lot of fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
So in your opinion, who has the edge for Rookie.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Of the Year, I would say right now, I probably
lean Caitlyn Clark. If for another reason, then just the
level of offensive responsibility that she has is not something
that Angel does right now. I think she's clearly been
a better defensive player.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
She's been an elite rebounder.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
The Sky to this point have still just won their
minutes with the Angel rees on the floor and that isn't
the case for Kaitlyn, though. That is starting to close
in if you just filter.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
It by month.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But the amount of responsibility that Caitlyn Clark has on
the ball, even with the turnover numbers up there and
assist and that's even that's trending upward as we went
into the break. She's been above lead average efficiency all
year long, even when she wasn't shooting that well, and
now that you're seeing more comfort inside there from her,
that efficiency is even rising for her. And then you
just look at the box score numbers, like how many
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players are matching that production. Both the Fever and Sky
are playoff teams right now. But I think Caitlyn is
more of a driver offensively.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Right now than what Angel is.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
And while the complaints about Kaitlyn's defense were valid early
on in the year, and I think there is still
just room for her to get better. It is worth
acknowledge that she has become a better defender as the
season's gone on, but you can point to like to
still in the block numbers. I don't care much about
that portion. But as Indiana's leaning the more switching, like,
I think she's done a better job of holding her
own or when they're trying to get her out of
a matchup, she's gotten out of there quicker. So like
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you're seeing that defensive growth on there. So I think
it's still fair to dub Angel as the two way
player of the two but I don't think like Caitlyn
is a complete zero defense like many would have said
she was early on in the year.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I think that's great points.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
So nikaias is Caitlyn Clark with the edge so far
and the Rookie of the Year race? All right, So, Nicias,
I know you talked about Caitlyn Clark and Angel Reese
being you know, neck and neck in terms of the
Rookie of the Year race, But I want to propose
something else to you. Can you consider Leoni Piebitch as
a candidate for Rookie of the Year. She's on the
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New York Liberty, who is number one than the standings
right now? Could she be the most important rookie this season?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I'll ask her the second question first, Could she be
the most important rookie in the second half.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Of the year.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Like, I think you can make the case just because
of you know, it's through the lens of Benigeleney Hamilton
being out as Benija. I think depending on how many
games she plays, like she should just make an all
defense scene this year with what she's done on that
end of the floor, Like we are already seeing Leo
close out games for the Liberty. We've also seen what
she's looked like in the Olympic play. Her ability to
defend the multiple positions, her ability to make things happen
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off the ball offensively, her ability to make plays with
the ball in her hands. But more important, like the
shooting is gonna be the big calling point there, like
they need her to be really good. And so again
that's not arguing she's better than Caitlyn or better than injuries.
I would have made that argument, but for a team
with legitimate you know, the sky and the Fever are
seven and eight. The Liberty are trying to win a
title right now, and so as a rookie that is
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in the rotation of a legitimate title contender, Like that's
a different level of pressure. So like to the second
part of the question, like, I think you can make
the argument that she could end up being like the
most impactful rookie. If she plays well, it helps the
Liberty tide the BBNIJA thing, and if Fanaja comes back,
that's just another wing that they can throw.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
At whoever they face in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
As far as Rookie of the Year candidate, like I
can't get all the way there, Like I don't think
she's had a better season than Kaitlyn or Angel. I
don't think she's had a better season than Rakia Jackson.
So I guess with that part, like that's just gonna
depend on how much you value like defense as a concept,
not that Riki has been bad, but Leo's been really good.
And like just like you know, on off stuff like the.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Liberty winning, the minutes with Lee on the floor, etcetera.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Like those kinds of things, Like I think you can
argue Leo as high as three, I will probably still
just have Rookia three. So it's more I think she's
I think she's a lot for the rookie team. I'll
say that Barney injury, I think she's just she's just
one of those five.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, I definitely think that she makes a case to
be in the conversation at least as that third fourth
when we talk about the Rookie of the Year, your
race one and two, I think is you know, Angel Rees, Caplin, Clark,
not in any type of order, but I think you
know those are the two, but just making it clear,
like you know those are the top two. And I
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definitely think that she can make you know, the All
Rookie team as well. So I'm excited to see the
New York Liberty in the second half of the season
and how they adjust with Benaje, Laney Hamilton post surgery,
with Ayrsopoli who's also dealing with an injury as well,
like the minutes that Leo will be able to play for.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
The Liberty going into the second half of the season.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Ok.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Actually, can I ask you a quick question, what do
you have for me because I haven't seen them on
your timeline? What were your thoughts about Kayla Thornton and
Papa John's opinions?
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Papa John's if you're listening. No disrespect, but Kayla, I
don't know. You gotta take Kayla's for better pizza spots
in New York City Papa John's.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
No comment, Okay, all right, that's all okay.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Just there's better pizza spots in New York than Papa
John's Kayla.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
So we gotta we gotta put her on. We gotta
put her on some better pizza spots.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Just speagure out as.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Nicias.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Thank you so much for joining me this week. It's
been so much fun just chatting hoops, ex's and o's
predictions with you.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Thank you for having me. It's a blast.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
If I haven't outwarned my welcome, I'd love to come
back at some point.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
You're always invited.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
But no, it all serious is keep doing what you're doing.
You have been a trailblazer in the space for a
very long time. I really respect everything that you are
doing and what you mean to the space. So I
just appreciate you for what you're doing and what you are.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Oh my god, that's so much love. Thank you, and
keep doing what you're doing. Like seriously, whatever, I need
to get some miltes on exod it. Ohs, I'm listening
to the Dunkers podcast with you and Steve.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Just keep killing it, man, appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
It's time for my spotlight of the week. I want
to highlight Flavor Flav. He's been doing such an amazing
job by being an ambassador and a supporter of the
women's US warter polo team, but also he's been supporting
athletes all around. Last week, there was a viral moment
on X when Olympic disc thrower Veronica Frehley posted on
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X that she could not pay her rent and she
was out in the Olympics ready to compete. So Flavor
Flave he saw her tweet, it went viral and he
offered to pay her rent for the month, and then
Alexis on Hannian came in and.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Paid her rent for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
So kudos to the men who support and advocate for
women in sports. I think that it's dope. Flavor Flave
is not the person that I would have had on
my Bengo card in twenty twenty four to be at
the forefront of women's sports and supporting. So shout out
to Flavor Flave, who's completing side missions in powers right
now with the US Women's polo team, but also just
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supporting women in sports in general. Love everything that you're doing,
and here are my final thoughts. Next week, the WNBA
returns with some very exciting matchups. You have in Phoenix,
Mercury at the Sky, the Mystics at the Links, and
the Liberty at the Sparks, so make sure you stay
tuned and locked into everything that's happening for the second
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half of the WNBA season. I also want to thank
Nakai s. Duncan again for coming on this week to
In Case You missed It with Christina Williams. Please don't
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