November 16, 2022 • 56 mins
Holy kryptonite, Earthlings! Season 1 Finale. For this emotional ride, Commanders Gem and Em reflect on the growth they've had this season, how to show up the right way for a conversation, the impermanence of all things, and the simple beauty of the life around us.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
He got Captain one. I gave you the same. Let's
go to a mission one reading that already ready for
a theme teck launching Wow Wow. Also did you love
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how that was like kind of dissipated against the theme
song for you? Yeah? I wanted it to hurt because
I'm hurting a try tone. It was good. I cannot
believe that we are at episode thirty of the pod.
Welcome guys, and for those of you who didn't know
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for this season. There you're gonna miss us. You're gonna cry,
You're gonna think about us and what we must look like,
which a majority of you probably have no idea. You
can tell us by our voices. That's it. What would
you think I looked like by my voice? Okay, I
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don't know. Go say a couple of things. Let me
close my eyes. Hello, you're going to say a couple
of things, and you're gonna guess what I look like.
You know what I look like? You've touched. I'm just
trying to think what a right? One? Two? Hello? How
are you? This is my voice? Alexa? Sit an alarm
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for you sound old like you sound like an older
woman ouch, but not like you know, not old Grandma.
You sound you sound like a pro. You sound like
you've taken diction classes, like you know how to speak.
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Jokes on you, how do you look? I can't tell, honestly,
like some kind of variation of you, but like taller,
I'll take it. I'll take any height I can get.
So for the last episode of the season, and when
I sat down, we were like, what are we going
to talk about? We thought, well, maybe we will go
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through and listen to some of our favorite parts of
the pod. We thought, well, maybe we'll prick call our
guests that have been with us. And then we decided,
you know what, let's just sit and chat and reflect
on what this has been and who knows what will happen?
Who knows. We're also breaking a record this episode. Wait,
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we're breaking a record. We're breaking a record for ourselves. What.
I don't think we can beat this, By the way,
I think it's pretty much it. At what point does
nighttime become morning? This is our latest episode ever recorded
three seventeen in the morning. We have had some good
times though recording Late Night Hello Sheila, your mom, Those
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were after midnight. Oh my gosh, that story of Sheila.
Maybe we should tell the story, which story well, the
fact that you know, she lives an incredible, unbelievable Sheila
E human being. And we were scheduled to have her
on the podcast a little earlier. However, that day that
we were scheduled to have her, there was a hurricane
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coming to Miami. Oh my god, yes, And instead of canceling,
she was like, m how about I arrived at one
in the morning. And I was like, you can arrive
whatever you want. Let's doll be here ready for you.
And she showed up here with class and grace at
that time, and we were scared because the power always
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goes out at Miami Beach, which is where our studio is.
And I bought a bunch of candles, actually technically, Cris
bought a bunch of candles at Walmart, and we charged
our phones and we charged our backup chargers and we
were ready to record from our iPhones if we had to.
That was so funny. That was a good one. So
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I want to know, how do you feel? How do
I feel? Yeah, how do you feel being a podcaster
with thirty episodes? Mm hmm. Something that I know that
neither of us sought out, but it was a blessing,
a little gift, thirty episodes of a podcast, m A
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lot of work, yes, a lot of joy. We met
a lot of cool people. Oh yeah, totally made friends.
We did, We really did. I'd like to say that,
you know, I'd like to share that we've actually maintained
some friendships with people that we either connected with or
recollected with through through in our own world. It really
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has been a fountain of gifts for us. I can't
sit here and not be appreciative. I know we've worked
our ass off from what we have, but we're lucky,
super lucky, and it hasn't been easy, as any journey
in your life that you attack not knowing what's going
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to happen in the future, Like you know, you're a musician,
a stylist, that you're so many things, and I'm so
many things, and I didn't never I never would have
thought that we would have ended up in a scenario
like this, And then you started painting the walls black
and I'm like, oh, ship, it's happening. Yeah, it's real.
You know, Like the biggest feedback that we got this season,
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what do you do? You know what it is? I
know exactly what it is. M M, I don't know
what is it? Okay, So other than like we love
it whatever whatever, which is awesome, it's really great. The
biggest feedback we got is that people want a video component.
Oh yeah. Also that's the t like inly podcasts are
supposed to be audio based, but we're in a video
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based world and I feel like that's I don't know,
like that's part of evolution, right, like we I grew
up in a time. We grew up in a time, right,
Like I know that you had in MySpace, right I did.
I didn't have on my Space and I was an
HTML and quarter I was like you were quoting profiles.
Yeah yeah, no, Like for me, you know, it shocks
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me how the generation a little bit before us because
we're young, but we're not that young in the moment,
like you know, life is passing us by. It's so stupird.
They no, oh, twenty back when I was your age. Sorry,
let me go throw up back when I was your age,
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and you know, I used to see things say it
again because you always say, oh, I'm only form with
older and I'm like, no, you're all, oh my god.
But anyway, the point is that Yeah, the world of
media has shifted. People are finding it harder to absorb
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just audio. It's like a visual world. But honestly, I
also have to say this because you know this, you
can verify it for me. I saw this post today
that was like, there's an addiction that nobody's talking about,
and it's sugar. Sorry, yes, bullshit, Yes, Betty or addicted
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to that. Wow, sugar and bullshit. That's a great and
a great band ladies and gentlemen, Sugar and bullshit. Yeah, wow,
sugar and they're they're like a female pop punk band earthing. Okay,
you right, as you said that was going to be
like it's a great lesbian movie sugar and bullshit. Yep,
that's exactly what it is. If you're if you're ever
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wondering what the experience is like, it's tons of sugar bullshit.
All right. So you know what's the addiction of a
super You're going to say technology. It's a little bit
deeper than that. I wish that can. I actually I'm
going to read it because it actually impacted me that much.
That's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Okay, I love that. Okay,
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so are you ready? Yeah? Okay, the addiction. No one
talks about scrolling, eating, drinking, more scrolling, Netflix, porn TV,
even more scrolling. This is called living in the state
of excessive consumption, mindless activity that gives us temporary quote
unquote pleasure. This is why most people are addicted to consumption.
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But do you know what this is doing in your brain?
It's frying your dopamine receptors, bombarding your mind and nervous
system with way too much. This is why you can't focus,
can't sleep, lose motivation, struggle to be present. Moderation means
not overdoing things nor underdoing them. Remember, you can stay
happy as long as there are no corresponding pains. According
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to epic Heres, the wise man drinks a little to
attain pleasure, but not so much he will cause himself
a hangover, a k A pain. Pretty intense, right, Yeah,
we're ol d as a species, like I have to
really overdo it. It's not enough that, you know, we
drive killing machines every day. Now we have to make
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them uh into monster trucks. Now you have to watch
YouTube while you're doing it. Oh man, it's a lot.
It's like over saturation. I love what a text message
could do in necessity, but sometimes it's really hard to
have a present conversation through text. I don't feel like text.
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I mean I'm speaking for you and me and like
our generation, and like we spent a lot of time
around each other for for us, I feel like it's
like FaceTime and Instagram because luckily no but I'm giving you,
I'm giving I'm giving you an example of hyper connectedness,
like just the fact that it's so easy for us
to be in communication that we require each other to
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be around the clock accessible. I think I might have
said this story to you before. I know I've told
you before, but I don't know if I've said it
on the podcast that like, I got so overwhelmed by
that because I don't think that it's natural. I don't
think that we should be able to have access to
each other seven And I agree. I think that texting
is becomes whack, and to be honest, it's given me
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anxiety and it's I feel like it also dilutes our
experiences to miss each other, right, which is why you
have often said things like, oh, I love FaceTime. I do,
and we use it so much because at least we
can see each other's faces and hear each other's voice
and think as as people like us. Who you know,
a lot of our friends, a lot of our classmates
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went to different parts of the world. Who you and
I have lived in other states when we've met people
from other parts of the world, It really, it really
facilitates a closer relationship. Long distance relationships today have it
so easy? Dog, I I was in a long business
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relationship in high school. That was not the vibe hashtag
episode we had. We had skype Karen I with a
skype shout out Carol, shout out Skype love you. Oh
my god, I can still remember the sound of the
little right now. She's asleep. She's asleep, and she's and
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she's work. She's got a new job. She's too cool
for me. Oh yeah, Okay, I can't wake her up
in the middle of the night. She has work. I
really want to, though. Okay, let the record show not
more than either this is this is adulthood. Okay, it's
choosing not to prank your friends when you really really
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want to because you're like kind of considerate of their
sleep schedule. But yeah, I feel like I don't know,
like remember when um, remember when a I am was
the thing. Do I ever like your little thing, your
little screen name, and you would get home and be like,
who's on AIM? Did you call it aim? Yeah? Of course,
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of course. You know what I would also do. I
would go to chat rooms, like there was this one
I can't remember the name that you used to be
able to go. I feel like that's what Club Penguin was,
the second generation. You know, where you would go and
you would have like a little and then you would
actually talk to people. Oh, some creepy people out there,
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But that's what I'm saying, Like I didn't talk to strangers.
I was just trying to talk to my friends when
I got home. And now that's texting and like when
you log off AIM, oh who's on a who's up? Aim? Like?
But I like that. I feel like limited restriction to
people is healthy, Like you need boundaries. Yeah, back of
the day, you could put it up status like not available.
But that's I wish we could do that with our phone,
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like an automated message. You can't. Okay, So now there's
this thing called like do not disturb, Like this person
is not receiving messages notify them anyway, Yes, but that's different. Yeah,
but it's giving up. It would be cool. It would
be cool, right if I could be like, I'm currently
in a meeting called me after five, right and that
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you know, or like, you know, I'll text me after five.
And that was an automated message that we could send.
You know what else, Apple, Here you go. I had
this idea years ago. I think I tweeted. It's okay,
it's okay. I'm gonna give it away because I tweeted it,
and as long as I get credited, take it. Okay. Actually, alright,
right now, Actually this is probably a good idea because
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we can mark that it was your idea at this
moment in time. It wasn't my yet this moment in time.
It was my idea a long time ago, and I
tweeted it. And it's times. All right, It's three thirty
six in the morning, and Jem has a time stamp
tweet and she is about to give you the best
idea you've ever heard in your life. Hit it. I
think it's great. Okay, I agree, And it doesn't it
doesn't funk up your video storage. Okay. It's on some
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kind of cloud like the voicemail, is right, and when
somebody face times you instead of doing what I do,
which is, you know, like make a crying face and
take a screenshot and said it to the person who
didn't answer me, or be like bitch. You can leave
a voice of face time voicemail, a video voicemail. You
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can make a video voicemail like bitch thirty seconds, not
even twenty seconds, which I tried calling you. I think
it's so good. I mean, like, honestly, imagine TikTok you
know that trend. Also imagine coming home after a long
day of right and maybe a friend or your grandma
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or your kids tried calling you and you weren't able
to talk to them at that moment, and you get
to sit down and go through all these videos that
all the people you love left to you. Okay, That's
what I'm saying instead of Instagram like when my grandma
passed away. Fuck, be good. Yeah, I'm good, But I
immediately one of the first things I did. It was
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almost like comforting to me. And you know this because
you were there with me every step of the way.
That was a tough fucking night. I did my best.
That was one of the hardest nights in my life,
and anybody out there who's lost someone. That night that
you have to sleep that you lose someone is probably
like the worst. I can still remember the way the
room smelled. Okay, let me not because oh baby, it's okay.
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But the point is that the first thing I did
was I went through my phone and found all of
her voice mails and I emailed them to myself because
I didn't want to lose them. I would love to
have video voice. That would be a great idea. I'm
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gonna make me good. Sorry, my three dots are gonna fade,
it's so good. But yeah, that's the first thing I did.
I saved her voice mails because I didn't want to.
I wanted her voice, you know. Yeah, so if I
could have a video along with that, wow, I'll be
fucking rad. Yeah, that would be lit not as late
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as my tears on the set microphone. He's such a
pretty crier though, so it's okay, I'm not a pretty
anything or oh, please take that back anyway. Yeah, video
voice mails, yeah, you know I have. I have. I
think this is the first time I've cried on this podcast. Well,
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welcome to the club, because I have, Oh and your
mom's I actually, we actually are inadvertently telling people which
ones to watch. Yeah, so also Lucy and the Sky
that episode our friend Lucy, uh shout out, shout out Lucy.
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She recommended to us to watch the last episode of
Midnight Gospel, which is funny because it's kind of like
a podcast format with a visual representation animajor visual representation.
If you haven't seen it before, and they explore some
wild concepts and having this conversation with you, now you
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have to watch it because the last episode was about
letting go about living and dying consciously, about accepting that
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we as humids, struggle so much with this. All things
come to an end. Everything, nothing is constant that in nature,
not with it, ourselves, not within our own minds. The
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only true constant has changed exactly. That's what we can
count on. And if you look all around us, there's death.
It is as beautiful and as natural a part of
life as first is. The universe are showing me that
you know that I'm allergic to cats. Here comes the cat.
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I'm allergic to death. The cat kills everything, and the
cat brings it to my door. Emily, Emily can't handle like.
Emily can't handle see anything die, not even I don't
know an aunt, she'll she'll lose it. She loses it
and not healthy. And you know what the universe did
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gave her a killer cat, Leona, who's the sweetest, most affectionate, thoughtful, considerate,
playful cat in the world. Best cat evers Texter, but
she's Texter and she's so good at it because she's
an outsoor outdoor cat who lives at our jungle of
a backyard and climbs the trees, brings the most peculiar
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lizards to our front door, that sits there and looks
up at us like here you go. So I think
that she's made me understand the natural order. And I
think that being a vegan and meeting you has helped
me with that a lot, because I don't think that
killing isn't human. I think that the way that we
kill isn't human. I think that in this world, I
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do think that killing for fun. I didn't say that
we are humans are such a small We think that
we're everything, and we're such a small percentage of this world. Today,
you had a colony of ants in your car, and
really we were driving over here and I thought, wow,
that's probably the entire universe inside your car, and that's us,
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like humans are probably inside of somebody else's car. I
think about ants a lot more than you think. Why
because they are so seemingly insignificant, but because I feel
like human beings like we're ants. I feel like there's
a reason why we are obsessed with them, and people
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don't think that, Like ant farms, like bugs, life, like
there's so many ways that human beings reflect the smallest
thing in the world, And it's because I feel like
we see them, ourselves in them, and we don't even notice,
Like it's a subconscious thing. Like what's an ant farm earth?
That's what it is. It is, But ants aren't individually
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stick the way that we are. Ants are like the
stephano that work in a colony. Okay, So I guess
maybe that's what we're striving for. We should be ants.
It would be it would mean total absolution of the ego,
and human beings are inherently opposed to that, right, I
feel like we would be a different species at that level,
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or somewhat evolved, because our ego is like the way
through which we experience a lot of things. I don't know.
I feel like the ego is actually what ruins our
experience here. No, babe, I completely agree with you. Like
I I look at animals, I look at ants and
their simplicity, and I think about what I feel most
in harmony with the universe, and it's always in simplicity
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and doing lay up drills and doing an exercise, cooking,
playing music that is the most simple. The most simple
things make you feel the most complex. That makes sense.
Sometimes just sitting outside and like being gray full for
the sun. But it's hard to do that because guess why,
exactly exactly we made it back. I'm glad this is
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the message to cleaning. Everyone listen to our podcast, but
not on your phone, no, because that's not the message.
The messages incorporate things in your life in balance. Like
for example, I saw that video of the Boston Robotics.
You know that the evolution of their robots in the
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last what ten years? Nothing? Nothing? Ten years is nothing.
It feels like nothing. Okay. They went from not being
able to move to doing backflips and doing a choreograph
dance with a robot dog. Yeah that's wild dog or
hello those and regular people now have these those like
cars that follow you. They're like these little baskets with
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wheels that will follow you around town as you go
shopping and hold like I don't know how much weight
of the things that you buy. It's like a little assistant.
I mean, look, I don't mean to offend you, but
I'm down. I would love something to follow me around
in them all. I feel like you would. You would
have signed an emotion to it. You'd become attached. Oh ship,
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that's why I can empathy for forks. Oh my god,
I do you have to out me goes to the
dispenser to grab cutlery, show like if she sees you know,
sometimes you you press the button you get to by accident,
people will leave that fork, But you don't want to.
You don't want to take that fork. You don't know
how many people have you know how many people have
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touched that. So what she'll do is she will also
press the button right, because she's not going to eat
with that fork. She will grab both forks, take them
with her to the table let the fork that is
not even you sit with us, enjoy, enjoy the company
of the other forks, and then when she goes to
throw it out, she'll let them die. Togain other Jem,
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I'm so sorry, but you got that so accurately and
really feel bad right now? Are you impressed? Yes? But
also I really feel that way. I know that I'm ill.
That's not okay. No, I think it's sweet. No, I
think it's sweet. I think it's sweet because you know
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what's the opposite of that. The people who like on
purpose will press it a million times. Oh, you mean,
like what happened to you and Lucy at mint disease
went until that story that I can't even believe happened
that we went to a V and place of MIYAMV
which is fire video. By the way, there's a video
I have video footage of this. Oh my god, that
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was nuts. I'm so happy that you didn't end up
meeting us there. I'm happy to It would have been
really bad. It would have escalated really quickly. Because see,
there's one thing i AM doesn't really like, and it's
what men be metting, soetosterone exactly. It's true. You're right,
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that's that's what it is. That's one testosterone bat toestosteroning. Okay,
So we're sitting down, we're trying to enjoy what's usually
really lovely meal and it was Lucy's Great Company. Okay, no,
no shade, and we're sitting down and it was already
walking day. It was eleven eleven, yeah, eleven two, and
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we were experiencing like a bunch of synchronicities in the universe,
just like sending a bunch of messages. It was already wild.
And so I'm sitting there kind of how do I
say ruminating? No, no, no, I'm sitting there like already
like prepped by that energy of being receptive to strange
things around me, right, And I look up and there's
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these guys walking in. I only see two of them though,
so I don't know where the third one was. But
I see two guys walking in and they're wearing these
graphic T shirts and one of them says uh uh
dub and horny uh and the other one was like,
I will be I will beat your ass, but with
the B crossed out, and so I looked at it like, yeah,
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I don't know so bad, and they looked like they
were like to you know, college kid. And I look
up at them and I'm like, of course, I go Lucy,
but I'm like, bro, Lucy, look at this ship. This
is crazy. Already. No. I I just thought, like, there's
no way that these men get dressed in the morning
and think this is a good idea, like this is
this is good, there was a purpose. It was weird.
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It was just weird. So they sit down, We continue
our luge. You know, I completely forgot about them. We
were sitting outside and they were inside the restaurant, but
they were at the table closest to us inside the restaurant,
so I could see what they were doing for the
most part. And I noticed that when they sat down,
they had brought with them a skillet, like a whole
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ass copper skillet, you know, copper line and skill it,
like to make pancakes or whatever. Like that's weird. I'm thinking, well,
maybe they're like on their way to see their family
or something, or like go to some kind of gathering,
you know, your your head fills in the story. And
again I go to Lucy. I'm like, what the funk,
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Like what a weird day, like, you know, on top
of all those other things. And we're like, okay, skill it, sure, okay,
continue about our day. And all of a sudden we
hear all this ruckus, all this ruck is inside and
when I look, there's the two guys. There's another guy
that I don't know if he had walked in beforehand
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or afterwards filming them. One of the guys is dressed
in a black chef's outfit and the other one is
in an inflatable pig costume, and they are they have
connected the skillet to the inside of this and this
is like a sweet like women owned vegan restaurant. By
the way, shout out mintz delicious. I can't they be
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gazamb Yeah, shout out. Shout out to all of them,
but shout out to their awesome ask food. But whatever,
it's a it's a family establishment. It's nothing crazy family
making bacon. What making bacon? A vegan restaurant? Making bacon
and a vegan restaurant and filming and filming it? Yeah,
come on, TikTok fuck. And it was a whole thing.
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It took basically the whole restaurant to get the three
guys out, and they're fucking skilling and all the video
I do have it. Put the audio next to the microphone.
You know what I you know what I can show.
So our server was like the sweetest, most attentive women
ever and She would come up to us a bunch
of times, like, you know, soft spoken, is there anything
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I can help you with? Is there anything else that
you need? Which I love? And when this was going down,
she literally transformed, let me see if I can find
the spot where you could hear her. She bro She
was like this gentle giant, don't funk with her? You
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can you can you Lucy in the bag? Yes, baby dude.
Because it was such a juxtaposition from how she had
been presenting herself. What happened after that she comes outside
and I haven't another video. She's like, I am so sorry.
People think that because vegans love animals that we love
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people and that couldn't be further from the truth. And
I was like, oh girl, what time louder It was
badass is a freaking bodybuilder. Actually, it's like, because we
love animals, we actually people even Yeah, exactly. Wow. That's
the amount of times I go up to people in
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the grocery store, do not acknowledge them and greet their dog.
And I'm like, there, it's happened to me before where
I'm like, oh, what's your name and the person has
answered and I'm like no, no, no, oh, I meant,
but you and me in the farmer's market, I'll be like, well, hello, fine, sir,
you're so handsome, you're so handsome, and whoever the owners
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is like it breaks out and freaking reblited you. You
just want to quish up? What? Yeah, but I definitely
want to scorched that person. So thank god I wasn't there. No, no, no,
And hello, the woman was pregnant, Like what are the women? No? No, no,
no that yeah, you would have no, that would have
been real bad, real bad, real bad man. You didn't go.
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Oh man. Yeah, It's been an honor to be able
to share our thoughts on a microphone. I feel like,
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even back with red table and everything, like, something that
I learned is that conversations are so valuable and we
undervalue them. You really do each other anymore. Not only that,
Like when you have a conversation, I'll speak for myself.
Most people, I feel like walk away from it thinking
about them, thinking about your perspective, why it hurt you,
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why you're right, you know, et cetera. And if anything,
I feel like it's the opposite, you know, in my
in my experience on this planet so far, If you,
first of all, when you're having a conversation, Okay, make
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sure you want to be having a conversation like that,
You're open to it. Yeah, that's my fault. And go
into it not ready to talk exactly. A lot of
people go into and not ready to talk, and that
that goes for multiple types of conversations. I'm not talking
about just emotional ones are difficult ones, even just conversations
where you should be prepared. Make sure that you're mentally, emotionally,
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physically prepared to connect, because that's what conversations are. We're
so busy looking at conversations as this is the avenue
through which I will be understood, No dog or mak no.
This is the avenue through which I can connect most
(32:54):
vulnerably with somebody that I care enough about to share
my most valuable asset with, which is my time. And
if you're going to dedicate the time to talk, first
of all, listen, because that's the second thing. People think
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conversations are about talking sometimes, but it's listening, analyzing, processing.
I speak too quickly, A lot of us do. I do,
sometimes I don't. It's a practice. It depends on your mood.
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It's right, and hopefully you know you start to master
it in all of your boods. But it's because I've
made this, because I've reflected upon it like this, because
I've had difficult conversations where I'm like, how can I
reach this person? But how can we reach each other? Also,
if you're having a conversation with the purpose of discussing
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something difficult, then also make sure that you are oriented
towards solutions. Hmm. If you're not at the point where
you're like, how can we solve this, don't bother, don't bother,
don't bother, because it's just gonna be a ego battle
(34:24):
power power. You're trying to get something out of it
for yourself, and inherently that's going against what a conversation
should be. It's not about not big about yourself though,
it's just about another person. Yeah, exactly, that's I feel
like what you said, Like, I feel like a lot
of people going to a conversation hoping that they're going
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to come out of it being like I win. And
a conversation is not a battle, No, it's a given
a take and and listening. Okay, when I went to Berkeley, right,
you have juries, you have you know, certain tests that
you have to pass. And I'm not saying that that
makes you a musician or not the same way that
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conversation doesn't make you a human being or not. Right,
Just like you may pick up a guitar and you
can play one chord and I can play you a solo. Right,
what's the difference between you and me? I'm saying metaphorically,
I know you can play more than one chord. Like
if you pick up a guitar and you play one
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chord and I pick up a guitar and I blow
you away, your proficiency and what separates you and I
time spent, time spent with my instrument, time invested. That's
the difference between someone that can have a conversation and not.
Most of the time, it's not a skill that you're
(35:49):
born with. No, people avoid think because you think that
you're attacked when anybody attacks anything that doesn't have to do.
People can't handle criticism, and also people don't know how
to deliver criticism absolutely because you're hurt. You can get hurtful.
You can say you shouldn't make about And also it's
not personal, like if I'm delivering your criticism, it's not
(36:12):
what the fuck you suck at talking. It's like, hey,
or I guess I'm processing in my mind, you know,
rat It's like, hey, you know, like it should have
bothered me, is what I'm saying, because that will show
a flaw about where I'm at, and that means that
I haven't done the work. So if I really care
(36:32):
about you, then I'll be like, you know what, jem um,
the way that you communicate is just not acceptable. And
I feel like, as a friend, I should tell you
that the words that you use and and the way
that you communicate, and and the way that you interrupt me,
I'm an interrupter. I'm an interrupter, not that much, no,
(36:55):
but you're you're a word thrower. Yeah, I'm an interrupter
and you're a word Yeah. We're different. But at least
we can sit here and acknowledge that and have this conversation.
You know, like, think about any other scenario. I just
feel like so many people took high school and they
just ran with it. Does that make sense? I'm like,
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oh my god, you're sixty and you're talking shit. Can
I be honest with you? Like, I just went through
a transformative experience. So recently I went to Mexico, as
you know. Yes, and it was I realized this while
I was there. Okay, it was the first trip that
I took with my family and everyone was an adult. Oh,
(37:44):
my sister, my younger sister, you know, moved out. She's
as a whole freaking fiance. Now, you know, she's a whole.
I still see her as like this little thing, you know,
but she's such a badass going to be a little thing.
It's just that, you know, she's a whole, last thing,
she's a whole. You know, she's a she's a she's
an adult now she's begetting to adult now, shout out amber.
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So because we were all financially responsible for the trip,
we're more invested in how we spend our time. Well,
we want to have a good time more than like
if we When you're young and you don't care, you
kind of just follow along. There's something that clicks when
you are no longer living at home and no longer
you know, and you become responsible for yourself. You own yourself,
(38:30):
You own your Actually it's funny because I kind of
came out of the womb like that. But but you
you know, you own the ship that you do that
You start to like really see see your your family
for who they are as humans. You start to relate
to them in a way that you never could before
(38:51):
because you were so little. You've never been big now
that you know, by ship dude, by my age now
I would have a nine at a five year old
different times to that, you know, But that's what I'm saying.
You begin to see the humanity in your family members
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that you once idolized or just took all of their
you know, all of their words for granted. You start
to see their flaws and humbles. You to love and
forgive them for who they are, and also love and
forgive yourself. A big make a noise, and this is
(39:36):
an audio show. Sorry I was. I was snapping because
I really feel that, Yeah, if you don't forgive yourself
and you don't forgive your family, you're going to be
in a constant battle every family. It's a process. Okay,
I just had this realization, so chill. No, I'm not,
I'm chilling, but but this is what I'm saying, Like,
inherently the irony is that the way that procre Asian happens,
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you have generation in between you and who raises you right, Well, yeah,
usually usually depending on the circumstance. But for the most part, Okay,
when you have a child, right, you haven't an entire
life behind you. It doesn't matter how many years it is,
You've already been conscious enough to understand a little bit
(40:23):
about this world for sure, And so the process of
raising children, there's always going to be differences in the
world and and now in the world that we're living
in the way the technology evolves, the way that everything
is evolving. Every two years is a different world. Every
year is a different world. Look at freaking COVID, like,
(40:44):
you know, like, look at what we've been through in
the last few years. They're going to read about it
in the books and we're gonna have lived it and
it's just gonna be a few years away to somebody.
It's going to be history. To us, it's going to
be experienced, you know. So I feel like that's what
we have to understand about, like the children and parents dynamic.
And it's not just parents, because it was actually the
(41:06):
bigger realization, the real lesson I am. It wasn't with
my parents, well my mom, you know, Uh, it was
it was with my grandparents. It was with my grandparents
who literally could never do any wrong in my eyes,
who I worship and I still do course, but their
(41:28):
their humanity became very apparent as opposed to like their heroism.
It's not about you know, not you know, it's not
about like it's not like a loss of or seeing
them in a different way like they lost. It's just
like I I see more of them and I understand,
(41:51):
you know, I understand why mom is the way that
she is because I look at who her father is
and I understand what parts of that has trickled down
my Mom's founted and landed on me. And that's where
I feel like you could really start to do the
work and kind of like sift through your your own yourself,
(42:15):
your habits, your behaviors, and decide what really fits you
and what does it, what serves you and what does
it How do you get to that awareness? I mean,
I was just like hit in the face with it.
I was just looking at my grandfather and you know,
we're very different people, but ways in which he would
(42:37):
react to things. I was like, dude, I've done that,
m hm, and holy crap, I saw him do it,
my mom saw him do it. And then you repeat,
because we're kind of like little little bears in our
formative years, personally picking up as we go. I had
(42:59):
that experience with I'll tell you, like, you know how
much my grandma means to me. I cried about her
right here on this podcast. She was my life and
my life, my best friend, and she had many faults,
and the people who love her most would blatantly acknowledge
her faults and I feel like that's a part of
love as well. But at the same time, I feel
(43:21):
like the irony is that, like you're saying okay the
same way you say I saw that, and I recognize
that I exhibit that behavior. I'm sure there are a
bunch of behaviors that your grandpa has that you wish
you had. Oh yeah, I feel that way about my grandma.
I'm like, you know what, And it's like a mix up.
It's like you have to take the best of the
(43:43):
old and the best of the new and like make
a fucking sun culcho, make a soup that's so delicious,
because like my mom bro my mob for example, one
of the things that I wish I would have inherited
from her. She's an action person. She's an action person.
I am more of a visionary where I come up
(44:05):
with really good ideas, but I struggle to execate that.
My mom, on the other hand, has no idea how
to process anything. I get lost in the swauce when
I'm processing all right, I will philosophize for hours here
with you. My mom doesn't even stop to think, but
she gets it done. See, there's like we were together.
(44:25):
We might make a good team. My true opinion as
someone who is on the journey to do a lot
of work on herself, who me say about myself, Like,
I just want to say this right now, I'm going
to announce it. Yes, other than that, um, I really
(44:46):
am on the journey to like do some serious self work.
And I feel like a lot of people have a
hard time acknowledging that there's anything wrong with them, or
like there's anything not wrong, because there's nothing wrong. But
this world is full of flaws and that's why we're here.
But what I'm saying is that I actually feel empowered
(45:08):
to take control and say, all right, it's time to
make some changes and really look inward and take the
time that I need to do that. And it's maybe
a little bit easier for me to say that, but
I have other pressures in my life that people would
never understand. Yeah, and I can vouch for that. You know,
(45:30):
take with that what you will. But that's my truth,
and that's part of my growing journey. Yeah, it's it's whatever.
The point is not whatever. It's cheers, not whatever. Not.
We're not drinking, We're just cheers our brains. No. I
guess what I mean is you have to be true
(45:51):
to yourself. And where I am right now is what
I was getting at, is that there's no shame in
realizing that you want to do self work. Actually, that's empowering.
It's empowering because you're able to acknowledge that you're trying
to meet a goal instead of, you know, like trying
(46:12):
to excuse things about yourself. And I don't want to
excuse anything about myself. I want to evolve. Yeah, I
want to be the best fucking version of myself. I
know everybody's like, you can't be happy every day. I agree,
you can't. You're gonna have ship days, you're gonna have
shipped moods. But if you have the tools and you
(46:34):
understand that that's coming, and you know how to incorporate
it into the little time that we have on this
freaking rock. Then fuck yeah, I want to spend my
time figuring out how to economize my time here, how
to economize my mood because I you know, like, yeah,
(46:54):
there's no darkness without light, et cetera. You know, you
have to feel really good to understand really bad. Sorry,
you have to feel really bad to understand what it's
like to feel really good. Sure, been there, done that.
Now that we've been through all that, let's let's self regulate. Sure.
I saw this documentary about monks the other day, and
it was unbelievable because everybody thinks, oh, Nirvana, they're perfect
(47:19):
that like you see, you idealize these spiritual figures that
you think are just constantly in flow. You know, Oh,
monks they're never angry, they're never this, they're never that.
This guy they were gracious enough to let him in.
There are certain rules, like you can't eat with a
monk if you're not a monk and whatever, but they're
(47:40):
very inviting and if you want to have a certain
time in a monastery, they will usually let you in,
which is something else I thought about. By the way,
I think I should be a monk. I gotta shut
up for a minute. My whole realization of watching this documentary,
right he he infiltrates the monastery. He's there for a
couple of weeks, and he goes, you know what, I
came here thinking that they were evolved beings, thinking that
(48:05):
they knew something that I did it, And you know what,
I realized they're just humans. He was talking to the
monks and he's going, I wish I could have a
beer right now, Like I gave up drinking to do this,
But you know what, it's my it's my choice. You
know what else I learned that is so beautiful, just
like shows the give and take of humanity and the
(48:28):
fact that today you posted I wish humanity could give
itself a group hug right, I think humanity needs a group.
H Okay. The monks they wake up and they sing,
and they walk around the village and all the people,
even though they're poor and they may not have any food,
any money, right, they give They walk around with these
empty trays, these silver trays, and they fill the trays
(48:49):
with whatever food they have, and most of it is
ironically vegetarian, like beans and lentils and rice, and some
people only give a few grains of rice, and some
people give more. Right, they carry this all back to
the monastery, and the guy, ironically who was talking about
how he wanted a beer and you know, etcetera, he goes,
(49:11):
my job here is they have this incredible meal that
they have that smells incredible and it's delicious, and it's
like this vegetable, right, and you're like, what's in the meal?
What's in the meal? Turns out, after the morning walk
of them, you know, grabbing all this food from the people,
it's oftentimes much more food than they need, right, And
(49:34):
they only eat twice a day. They fast. Monks fast,
So the first time they eat, they eat the offerings
that the people give them, and there's a lot of leftovers.
And then the chef the next morning takes all the
leftovers because they're vegetables, puts them all together and makes
like a like a stew of all the leftovers, and
(49:57):
that's what they eat for lunch. So they repurpose all
the meals, and people like you can go online and
they're like, it's the most delicious thing I've ever had,
and they're like, yeah, you know why, because it's love
of the community, repurposing, not wasting food. They don't waste
one grain of rice, And if you look at it,
it's like, oh my god, that looks delicious. It's literally
a mixture of all the meals that everybody in the
(50:19):
neighborhood has made. I just thought that was, like, that's beautiful,
so amazing, And you know, we've lost that in a sense,
that sense of community. But my point is that, yes,
I feel like we have to take those drastic steps,
and whether it's going to a monastery or whatever, there's
no shame in that. People feel ashamed to admit that
(50:40):
there's some journey that we need to do. Yet everybody's
obsessed with watching these movies about you know, evolving our mind,
and you know, I love that we can work on
and you know, in a relationship that we can understand
and therapy, and it's like everybody's obsessed with it, but
embarrassed to admit it. Yeah, and I'm not going to
(51:03):
do that anymore. That show, I mean, I agree with you,
it's about as humid as anything else is. Yes, I
think that is being human, or at least how we
can actually surpass being human. Right. I feel like there
was a time. The word human right now actually kind
(51:24):
of gives me a funky feeling. Yeah, I don't know
what is that? What you have alien tattooed out of
your army. For the most part, I don't want to.
I can't relate. You can, maybe I don't want to.
You are human, We we all are, Yeah, But I
don't operate like most humans. I would never take a
rifle or a gun and shoot another I don't think
(51:46):
most people. I can't kill an animal for sport. I
don't think most people can think about it for a second,
hold on to sit with what you just said, really
think about it. We are humans, and on very levels,
we all displayed great and also ugly qualities. Just like
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you said earlier, the capacity for darkness is the capacity
for light, and I think that's the same for what
we create. We could do as much good as we
could do bad vice versa, we do so much bad.
The lack of faith that I have in humanity just
me being honest right now, in this moment, I feel
like we're better beaten, Like back in our in our beginnings,
(52:30):
like back in the original ways, as brutal as it was,
like hunting and this and that, like I feel like
we were more human back then than now. Like I
feel like I watch animals and I feel like Leona,
shout out, Leona, our cat has helped me with this
because in the past, right, and you you can vouch
(52:51):
for this, if she was about to kill a lizard,
I probably would have gotten on my knees and started
crying and sobbed and tried to put a stick in
between her the lizard, and you would have taken out
from the whole. I would have had a whole thing.
And what happened today, You're like what I say, I said,
let her kill it. It's suffering. Just let her do
her thing, because I was catching here the act. And
(53:15):
if I can catch the act, get her food instead, okay?
And then what the lizard has eight broken legs and
it's suffering. And that's the nature of the world. And
I know that it's such a small microcosm that made
me see the macro, right, But I would have never
been able to do that before. Jem Yeah, I'm the
(53:36):
girl that was sobbing at the hotel because the dragonfly
was drowning. And granted that's different. I feel like you
would feel that way today anymore. Well, if a dragonfly
is drowning, I'm always going to try to get it out.
But you're not trying to be like no, no, I
wouldn't lose my ship. Yeah, question for you, what lizard
has eight legs that could break? I've never heard of
(54:06):
the octolus. Wow, you've done better. You've done better. You've
never heard of the lockdow. Okay, lizard, it's late, baby girl,
Well I stopped. I already cried one first. I love you.
(54:35):
While you're crying again, I don't know emotional. Okay, it's okay,
you can be emotional. It's a safe space. I love you,
Thank you, thank you. I know that there were moments
where we were confused and losses, scared navigating new waters,
(55:02):
but it's been a pleasure, truly has my lady apps
out for the cause. Sorry, passengers, these have been your
commander's gemina of the I O O W Brothership. Thank
you for it has been a pleasure to serve you.
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He got Captain one. I gave you the same. Let's
go to a mission one reading that already ready for
a theme teck launching Wow Wow. Also did you love
(00:33):
how that was like kind of dissipated against the theme
song for you? Yeah? I wanted it to hurt because
I'm hurting a try tone. It was good. I cannot
believe that we are at episode thirty of the pod.
Welcome guys, and for those of you who didn't know
(00:55):
for this season. There you're gonna miss us. You're gonna cry,
You're gonna think about us and what we must look like,
which a majority of you probably have no idea. You
can tell us by our voices. That's it. What would
you think I looked like by my voice? Okay, I
(01:18):
don't know. Go say a couple of things. Let me
close my eyes. Hello, you're going to say a couple
of things, and you're gonna guess what I look like.
You know what I look like? You've touched. I'm just
trying to think what a right? One? Two? Hello? How
are you? This is my voice? Alexa? Sit an alarm
(01:39):
for you sound old like you sound like an older
woman ouch, but not like you know, not old Grandma.
You sound you sound like a pro. You sound like
you've taken diction classes, like you know how to speak.
(02:00):
Jokes on you, how do you look? I can't tell, honestly,
like some kind of variation of you, but like taller,
I'll take it. I'll take any height I can get.
So for the last episode of the season, and when
I sat down, we were like, what are we going
to talk about? We thought, well, maybe we will go
(02:23):
through and listen to some of our favorite parts of
the pod. We thought, well, maybe we'll prick call our
guests that have been with us. And then we decided,
you know what, let's just sit and chat and reflect
on what this has been and who knows what will happen?
Who knows. We're also breaking a record this episode. Wait,
(02:45):
we're breaking a record. We're breaking a record for ourselves. What.
I don't think we can beat this, By the way,
I think it's pretty much it. At what point does
nighttime become morning? This is our latest episode ever recorded
three seventeen in the morning. We have had some good
times though recording Late Night Hello Sheila, your mom, Those
(03:07):
were after midnight. Oh my gosh, that story of Sheila.
Maybe we should tell the story, which story well, the
fact that you know, she lives an incredible, unbelievable Sheila
E human being. And we were scheduled to have her
on the podcast a little earlier. However, that day that
we were scheduled to have her, there was a hurricane
(03:28):
coming to Miami. Oh my god, yes, And instead of canceling,
she was like, m how about I arrived at one
in the morning. And I was like, you can arrive
whatever you want. Let's doll be here ready for you.
And she showed up here with class and grace at
that time, and we were scared because the power always
(03:50):
goes out at Miami Beach, which is where our studio is.
And I bought a bunch of candles, actually technically, Cris
bought a bunch of candles at Walmart, and we charged
our phones and we charged our backup chargers and we
were ready to record from our iPhones if we had to.
That was so funny. That was a good one. So
(04:11):
I want to know, how do you feel? How do
I feel? Yeah, how do you feel being a podcaster
with thirty episodes? Mm hmm. Something that I know that
neither of us sought out, but it was a blessing,
a little gift, thirty episodes of a podcast, m A
(04:37):
lot of work, yes, a lot of joy. We met
a lot of cool people. Oh yeah, totally made friends.
We did, We really did. I'd like to say that,
you know, I'd like to share that we've actually maintained
some friendships with people that we either connected with or
recollected with through through in our own world. It really
(05:00):
has been a fountain of gifts for us. I can't
sit here and not be appreciative. I know we've worked
our ass off from what we have, but we're lucky,
super lucky, and it hasn't been easy, as any journey
in your life that you attack not knowing what's going
(05:22):
to happen in the future, Like you know, you're a musician,
a stylist, that you're so many things, and I'm so
many things, and I didn't never I never would have
thought that we would have ended up in a scenario
like this, And then you started painting the walls black
and I'm like, oh, ship, it's happening. Yeah, it's real.
You know, Like the biggest feedback that we got this season,
(05:43):
what do you do? You know what it is? I
know exactly what it is. M M, I don't know
what is it? Okay, So other than like we love
it whatever whatever, which is awesome, it's really great. The
biggest feedback we got is that people want a video component.
Oh yeah. Also that's the t like inly podcasts are
supposed to be audio based, but we're in a video
(06:04):
based world and I feel like that's I don't know,
like that's part of evolution, right, like we I grew
up in a time. We grew up in a time, right,
Like I know that you had in MySpace, right I did.
I didn't have on my Space and I was an
HTML and quarter I was like you were quoting profiles.
Yeah yeah, no, Like for me, you know, it shocks
(06:28):
me how the generation a little bit before us because
we're young, but we're not that young in the moment,
like you know, life is passing us by. It's so stupird.
They no, oh, twenty back when I was your age. Sorry,
let me go throw up back when I was your age,
(06:50):
and you know, I used to see things say it
again because you always say, oh, I'm only form with
older and I'm like, no, you're all, oh my god.
But anyway, the point is that Yeah, the world of
media has shifted. People are finding it harder to absorb
(07:13):
just audio. It's like a visual world. But honestly, I
also have to say this because you know this, you
can verify it for me. I saw this post today
that was like, there's an addiction that nobody's talking about,
and it's sugar. Sorry, yes, bullshit, Yes, Betty or addicted
(07:34):
to that. Wow, sugar and bullshit. That's a great and
a great band ladies and gentlemen, Sugar and bullshit. Yeah, wow,
sugar and they're they're like a female pop punk band earthing. Okay,
you right, as you said that was going to be
like it's a great lesbian movie sugar and bullshit. Yep,
that's exactly what it is. If you're if you're ever
(07:56):
wondering what the experience is like, it's tons of sugar bullshit.
All right. So you know what's the addiction of a
super You're going to say technology. It's a little bit
deeper than that. I wish that can. I actually I'm
going to read it because it actually impacted me that much.
That's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Okay, I love that. Okay,
(08:32):
so are you ready? Yeah? Okay, the addiction. No one
talks about scrolling, eating, drinking, more scrolling, Netflix, porn TV,
even more scrolling. This is called living in the state
of excessive consumption, mindless activity that gives us temporary quote
unquote pleasure. This is why most people are addicted to consumption.
(08:55):
But do you know what this is doing in your brain?
It's frying your dopamine receptors, bombarding your mind and nervous
system with way too much. This is why you can't focus,
can't sleep, lose motivation, struggle to be present. Moderation means
not overdoing things nor underdoing them. Remember, you can stay
happy as long as there are no corresponding pains. According
(09:16):
to epic Heres, the wise man drinks a little to
attain pleasure, but not so much he will cause himself
a hangover, a k A pain. Pretty intense, right, Yeah,
we're ol d as a species, like I have to
really overdo it. It's not enough that, you know, we
drive killing machines every day. Now we have to make
(09:36):
them uh into monster trucks. Now you have to watch
YouTube while you're doing it. Oh man, it's a lot.
It's like over saturation. I love what a text message
could do in necessity, but sometimes it's really hard to
have a present conversation through text. I don't feel like text.
(10:00):
I mean I'm speaking for you and me and like
our generation, and like we spent a lot of time
around each other for for us, I feel like it's
like FaceTime and Instagram because luckily no but I'm giving you,
I'm giving I'm giving you an example of hyper connectedness,
like just the fact that it's so easy for us
to be in communication that we require each other to
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be around the clock accessible. I think I might have
said this story to you before. I know I've told
you before, but I don't know if I've said it
on the podcast that like, I got so overwhelmed by
that because I don't think that it's natural. I don't
think that we should be able to have access to
each other seven And I agree. I think that texting
is becomes whack, and to be honest, it's given me
(10:44):
anxiety and it's I feel like it also dilutes our
experiences to miss each other, right, which is why you
have often said things like, oh, I love FaceTime. I do,
and we use it so much because at least we
can see each other's faces and hear each other's voice
and think as as people like us. Who you know,
a lot of our friends, a lot of our classmates
(11:05):
went to different parts of the world. Who you and
I have lived in other states when we've met people
from other parts of the world, It really, it really
facilitates a closer relationship. Long distance relationships today have it
so easy? Dog, I I was in a long business
(11:26):
relationship in high school. That was not the vibe hashtag
episode we had. We had skype Karen I with a
skype shout out Carol, shout out Skype love you. Oh
my god, I can still remember the sound of the
little right now. She's asleep. She's asleep, and she's and
(11:49):
she's work. She's got a new job. She's too cool
for me. Oh yeah, Okay, I can't wake her up
in the middle of the night. She has work. I
really want to, though. Okay, let the record show not
more than either this is this is adulthood. Okay, it's
choosing not to prank your friends when you really really
(12:09):
want to because you're like kind of considerate of their
sleep schedule. But yeah, I feel like I don't know,
like remember when um, remember when a I am was
the thing. Do I ever like your little thing, your
little screen name, and you would get home and be like,
who's on AIM? Did you call it aim? Yeah? Of course,
(12:31):
of course. You know what I would also do. I
would go to chat rooms, like there was this one
I can't remember the name that you used to be
able to go. I feel like that's what Club Penguin was,
the second generation. You know, where you would go and
you would have like a little and then you would
actually talk to people. Oh, some creepy people out there,
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But that's what I'm saying, Like I didn't talk to strangers.
I was just trying to talk to my friends when
I got home. And now that's texting and like when
you log off AIM, oh who's on a who's up? Aim? Like?
But I like that. I feel like limited restriction to
people is healthy, Like you need boundaries. Yeah, back of
the day, you could put it up status like not available.
But that's I wish we could do that with our phone,
(13:15):
like an automated message. You can't. Okay, So now there's
this thing called like do not disturb, Like this person
is not receiving messages notify them anyway, Yes, but that's different. Yeah,
but it's giving up. It would be cool. It would
be cool, right if I could be like, I'm currently
in a meeting called me after five, right and that
(13:36):
you know, or like, you know, I'll text me after five.
And that was an automated message that we could send.
You know what else, Apple, Here you go. I had
this idea years ago. I think I tweeted. It's okay,
it's okay. I'm gonna give it away because I tweeted it,
and as long as I get credited, take it. Okay. Actually, alright,
right now, Actually this is probably a good idea because
(13:57):
we can mark that it was your idea at this
moment in time. It wasn't my yet this moment in time.
It was my idea a long time ago, and I
tweeted it. And it's times. All right, It's three thirty
six in the morning, and Jem has a time stamp
tweet and she is about to give you the best
idea you've ever heard in your life. Hit it. I
think it's great. Okay, I agree, And it doesn't it
doesn't funk up your video storage. Okay. It's on some
(14:22):
kind of cloud like the voicemail, is right, and when
somebody face times you instead of doing what I do,
which is, you know, like make a crying face and
take a screenshot and said it to the person who
didn't answer me, or be like bitch. You can leave
a voice of face time voicemail, a video voicemail. You
(14:44):
can make a video voicemail like bitch thirty seconds, not
even twenty seconds, which I tried calling you. I think
it's so good. I mean, like, honestly, imagine TikTok you
know that trend. Also imagine coming home after a long
day of right and maybe a friend or your grandma
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or your kids tried calling you and you weren't able
to talk to them at that moment, and you get
to sit down and go through all these videos that
all the people you love left to you. Okay, That's
what I'm saying instead of Instagram like when my grandma
passed away. Fuck, be good. Yeah, I'm good, But I
immediately one of the first things I did. It was
(15:26):
almost like comforting to me. And you know this because
you were there with me every step of the way.
That was a tough fucking night. I did my best.
That was one of the hardest nights in my life,
and anybody out there who's lost someone. That night that
you have to sleep that you lose someone is probably
like the worst. I can still remember the way the
room smelled. Okay, let me not because oh baby, it's okay.
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But the point is that the first thing I did
was I went through my phone and found all of
her voice mails and I emailed them to myself because
I didn't want to lose them. I would love to
have video voice. That would be a great idea. I'm
(16:12):
gonna make me good. Sorry, my three dots are gonna fade,
it's so good. But yeah, that's the first thing I did.
I saved her voice mails because I didn't want to.
I wanted her voice, you know. Yeah, so if I
could have a video along with that, wow, I'll be
fucking rad. Yeah, that would be lit not as late
(16:35):
as my tears on the set microphone. He's such a
pretty crier though, so it's okay, I'm not a pretty
anything or oh, please take that back anyway. Yeah, video
voice mails, yeah, you know I have. I have. I
think this is the first time I've cried on this podcast. Well,
(16:56):
welcome to the club, because I have, Oh and your
mom's I actually, we actually are inadvertently telling people which
ones to watch. Yeah, so also Lucy and the Sky
that episode our friend Lucy, uh shout out, shout out Lucy.
(17:17):
She recommended to us to watch the last episode of
Midnight Gospel, which is funny because it's kind of like
a podcast format with a visual representation animajor visual representation.
If you haven't seen it before, and they explore some
wild concepts and having this conversation with you, now you
(17:37):
have to watch it because the last episode was about
letting go about living and dying consciously, about accepting that
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we as humids, struggle so much with this. All things
come to an end. Everything, nothing is constant that in nature,
not with it, ourselves, not within our own minds. The
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only true constant has changed exactly. That's what we can
count on. And if you look all around us, there's death.
It is as beautiful and as natural a part of
life as first is. The universe are showing me that
you know that I'm allergic to cats. Here comes the cat.
(18:43):
I'm allergic to death. The cat kills everything, and the
cat brings it to my door. Emily, Emily can't handle like.
Emily can't handle see anything die, not even I don't
know an aunt, she'll she'll lose it. She loses it
and not healthy. And you know what the universe did
(19:04):
gave her a killer cat, Leona, who's the sweetest, most affectionate, thoughtful, considerate,
playful cat in the world. Best cat evers Texter, but
she's Texter and she's so good at it because she's
an outsoor outdoor cat who lives at our jungle of
a backyard and climbs the trees, brings the most peculiar
(19:26):
lizards to our front door, that sits there and looks
up at us like here you go. So I think
that she's made me understand the natural order. And I
think that being a vegan and meeting you has helped
me with that a lot, because I don't think that
killing isn't human. I think that the way that we
kill isn't human. I think that in this world, I
(19:51):
do think that killing for fun. I didn't say that
we are humans are such a small We think that
we're everything, and we're such a small percentage of this world. Today,
you had a colony of ants in your car, and
really we were driving over here and I thought, wow,
that's probably the entire universe inside your car, and that's us,
(20:18):
like humans are probably inside of somebody else's car. I
think about ants a lot more than you think. Why
because they are so seemingly insignificant, but because I feel
like human beings like we're ants. I feel like there's
a reason why we are obsessed with them, and people
(20:38):
don't think that, Like ant farms, like bugs, life, like
there's so many ways that human beings reflect the smallest
thing in the world, And it's because I feel like
we see them, ourselves in them, and we don't even notice,
Like it's a subconscious thing. Like what's an ant farm earth?
That's what it is. It is, But ants aren't individually
(21:00):
stick the way that we are. Ants are like the
stephano that work in a colony. Okay, So I guess
maybe that's what we're striving for. We should be ants.
It would be it would mean total absolution of the ego,
and human beings are inherently opposed to that, right, I
feel like we would be a different species at that level,
(21:21):
or somewhat evolved, because our ego is like the way
through which we experience a lot of things. I don't know.
I feel like the ego is actually what ruins our
experience here. No, babe, I completely agree with you. Like
I I look at animals, I look at ants and
their simplicity, and I think about what I feel most
in harmony with the universe, and it's always in simplicity
(21:44):
and doing lay up drills and doing an exercise, cooking,
playing music that is the most simple. The most simple
things make you feel the most complex. That makes sense.
Sometimes just sitting outside and like being gray full for
the sun. But it's hard to do that because guess why,
exactly exactly we made it back. I'm glad this is
(22:12):
the message to cleaning. Everyone listen to our podcast, but
not on your phone, no, because that's not the message.
The messages incorporate things in your life in balance. Like
for example, I saw that video of the Boston Robotics.
You know that the evolution of their robots in the
(22:32):
last what ten years? Nothing? Nothing? Ten years is nothing.
It feels like nothing. Okay. They went from not being
able to move to doing backflips and doing a choreograph
dance with a robot dog. Yeah that's wild dog or
hello those and regular people now have these those like
cars that follow you. They're like these little baskets with
(22:55):
wheels that will follow you around town as you go
shopping and hold like I don't know how much weight
of the things that you buy. It's like a little assistant.
I mean, look, I don't mean to offend you, but
I'm down. I would love something to follow me around
in them all. I feel like you would. You would
have signed an emotion to it. You'd become attached. Oh ship,
(23:16):
that's why I can empathy for forks. Oh my god,
I do you have to out me goes to the
dispenser to grab cutlery, show like if she sees you know,
sometimes you you press the button you get to by accident,
people will leave that fork, But you don't want to.
You don't want to take that fork. You don't know
how many people have you know how many people have
(23:41):
touched that. So what she'll do is she will also
press the button right, because she's not going to eat
with that fork. She will grab both forks, take them
with her to the table let the fork that is
not even you sit with us, enjoy, enjoy the company
of the other forks, and then when she goes to
throw it out, she'll let them die. Togain other Jem,
(24:01):
I'm so sorry, but you got that so accurately and
really feel bad right now? Are you impressed? Yes? But
also I really feel that way. I know that I'm ill.
That's not okay. No, I think it's sweet. No, I
think it's sweet. I think it's sweet because you know
(24:22):
what's the opposite of that. The people who like on
purpose will press it a million times. Oh, you mean,
like what happened to you and Lucy at mint disease
went until that story that I can't even believe happened
that we went to a V and place of MIYAMV
which is fire video. By the way, there's a video
I have video footage of this. Oh my god, that
(24:44):
was nuts. I'm so happy that you didn't end up
meeting us there. I'm happy to It would have been
really bad. It would have escalated really quickly. Because see,
there's one thing i AM doesn't really like, and it's
what men be metting, soetosterone exactly. It's true. You're right,
(25:07):
that's that's what it is. That's one testosterone bat toestosteroning. Okay,
So we're sitting down, we're trying to enjoy what's usually
really lovely meal and it was Lucy's Great Company. Okay, no,
no shade, and we're sitting down and it was already
walking day. It was eleven eleven, yeah, eleven two, and
(25:29):
we were experiencing like a bunch of synchronicities in the universe,
just like sending a bunch of messages. It was already wild.
And so I'm sitting there kind of how do I
say ruminating? No, no, no, I'm sitting there like already
like prepped by that energy of being receptive to strange
things around me, right, And I look up and there's
(25:50):
these guys walking in. I only see two of them though,
so I don't know where the third one was. But
I see two guys walking in and they're wearing these
graphic T shirts and one of them says uh uh
dub and horny uh and the other one was like,
I will be I will beat your ass, but with
the B crossed out, and so I looked at it like, yeah,
(26:12):
I don't know so bad, and they looked like they
were like to you know, college kid. And I look
up at them and I'm like, of course, I go Lucy,
but I'm like, bro, Lucy, look at this ship. This
is crazy. Already. No. I I just thought, like, there's
no way that these men get dressed in the morning
and think this is a good idea, like this is
this is good, there was a purpose. It was weird.
(26:34):
It was just weird. So they sit down, We continue
our luge. You know, I completely forgot about them. We
were sitting outside and they were inside the restaurant, but
they were at the table closest to us inside the restaurant,
so I could see what they were doing for the
most part. And I noticed that when they sat down,
they had brought with them a skillet, like a whole
(26:56):
ass copper skillet, you know, copper line and skill it,
like to make pancakes or whatever. Like that's weird. I'm thinking, well,
maybe they're like on their way to see their family
or something, or like go to some kind of gathering,
you know, your your head fills in the story. And
again I go to Lucy. I'm like, what the funk,
(27:17):
Like what a weird day, like, you know, on top
of all those other things. And we're like, okay, skill it, sure, okay,
continue about our day. And all of a sudden we
hear all this ruckus, all this ruck is inside and
when I look, there's the two guys. There's another guy
that I don't know if he had walked in beforehand
(27:39):
or afterwards filming them. One of the guys is dressed
in a black chef's outfit and the other one is
in an inflatable pig costume, and they are they have
connected the skillet to the inside of this and this
is like a sweet like women owned vegan restaurant. By
the way, shout out mintz delicious. I can't they be
(28:02):
gazamb Yeah, shout out. Shout out to all of them,
but shout out to their awesome ask food. But whatever,
it's a it's a family establishment. It's nothing crazy family
making bacon. What making bacon? A vegan restaurant? Making bacon
and a vegan restaurant and filming and filming it? Yeah,
come on, TikTok fuck. And it was a whole thing.
(28:26):
It took basically the whole restaurant to get the three
guys out, and they're fucking skilling and all the video
I do have it. Put the audio next to the microphone.
You know what I you know what I can show.
So our server was like the sweetest, most attentive women
ever and She would come up to us a bunch
of times, like, you know, soft spoken, is there anything
(28:46):
I can help you with? Is there anything else that
you need? Which I love? And when this was going down,
she literally transformed, let me see if I can find
the spot where you could hear her. She bro She
was like this gentle giant, don't funk with her? You
(29:27):
can you can you Lucy in the bag? Yes, baby dude.
Because it was such a juxtaposition from how she had
been presenting herself. What happened after that she comes outside
and I haven't another video. She's like, I am so sorry.
People think that because vegans love animals that we love
(29:50):
people and that couldn't be further from the truth. And
I was like, oh girl, what time louder It was
badass is a freaking bodybuilder. Actually, it's like, because we
love animals, we actually people even Yeah, exactly. Wow. That's
the amount of times I go up to people in
(30:10):
the grocery store, do not acknowledge them and greet their dog.
And I'm like, there, it's happened to me before where
I'm like, oh, what's your name and the person has
answered and I'm like no, no, no, oh, I meant,
but you and me in the farmer's market, I'll be like, well, hello, fine, sir,
you're so handsome, you're so handsome, and whoever the owners
(30:33):
is like it breaks out and freaking reblited you. You
just want to quish up? What? Yeah, but I definitely
want to scorched that person. So thank god I wasn't there. No, no, no,
And hello, the woman was pregnant, Like what are the women? No? No, no,
no that yeah, you would have no, that would have
been real bad, real bad, real bad man. You didn't go.
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Oh man. Yeah, It's been an honor to be able
to share our thoughts on a microphone. I feel like,
(31:19):
even back with red table and everything, like, something that
I learned is that conversations are so valuable and we
undervalue them. You really do each other anymore. Not only that,
Like when you have a conversation, I'll speak for myself.
Most people, I feel like walk away from it thinking
about them, thinking about your perspective, why it hurt you,
(31:43):
why you're right, you know, et cetera. And if anything,
I feel like it's the opposite, you know, in my
in my experience on this planet so far, If you,
first of all, when you're having a conversation, Okay, make
(32:06):
sure you want to be having a conversation like that,
You're open to it. Yeah, that's my fault. And go
into it not ready to talk exactly. A lot of
people go into and not ready to talk, and that
that goes for multiple types of conversations. I'm not talking
about just emotional ones are difficult ones, even just conversations
where you should be prepared. Make sure that you're mentally, emotionally,
(32:30):
physically prepared to connect, because that's what conversations are. We're
so busy looking at conversations as this is the avenue
through which I will be understood, No dog or mak no.
This is the avenue through which I can connect most
(32:54):
vulnerably with somebody that I care enough about to share
my most valuable asset with, which is my time. And
if you're going to dedicate the time to talk, first
of all, listen, because that's the second thing. People think
(33:17):
conversations are about talking sometimes, but it's listening, analyzing, processing.
I speak too quickly, A lot of us do. I do,
sometimes I don't. It's a practice. It depends on your mood.
(33:41):
It's right, and hopefully you know you start to master
it in all of your boods. But it's because I've
made this, because I've reflected upon it like this, because
I've had difficult conversations where I'm like, how can I
reach this person? But how can we reach each other? Also,
if you're having a conversation with the purpose of discussing
(34:02):
something difficult, then also make sure that you are oriented
towards solutions. Hmm. If you're not at the point where
you're like, how can we solve this, don't bother, don't bother,
don't bother, because it's just gonna be a ego battle
(34:24):
power power. You're trying to get something out of it
for yourself, and inherently that's going against what a conversation
should be. It's not about not big about yourself though,
it's just about another person. Yeah, exactly, that's I feel
like what you said, Like, I feel like a lot
of people going to a conversation hoping that they're going
(34:46):
to come out of it being like I win. And
a conversation is not a battle, No, it's a given
a take and and listening. Okay, when I went to Berkeley, right,
you have juries, you have you know, certain tests that
you have to pass. And I'm not saying that that
makes you a musician or not the same way that
(35:08):
conversation doesn't make you a human being or not. Right,
Just like you may pick up a guitar and you
can play one chord and I can play you a solo. Right,
what's the difference between you and me? I'm saying metaphorically,
I know you can play more than one chord. Like
if you pick up a guitar and you play one
(35:29):
chord and I pick up a guitar and I blow
you away, your proficiency and what separates you and I
time spent, time spent with my instrument, time invested. That's
the difference between someone that can have a conversation and not.
Most of the time, it's not a skill that you're
(35:49):
born with. No, people avoid think because you think that
you're attacked when anybody attacks anything that doesn't have to do.
People can't handle criticism, and also people don't know how
to deliver criticism absolutely because you're hurt. You can get hurtful.
You can say you shouldn't make about And also it's
not personal, like if I'm delivering your criticism, it's not
(36:12):
what the fuck you suck at talking. It's like, hey,
or I guess I'm processing in my mind, you know,
rat It's like, hey, you know, like it should have
bothered me, is what I'm saying, because that will show
a flaw about where I'm at, and that means that
I haven't done the work. So if I really care
(36:32):
about you, then I'll be like, you know what, jem um,
the way that you communicate is just not acceptable. And
I feel like, as a friend, I should tell you
that the words that you use and and the way
that you communicate, and and the way that you interrupt me,
I'm an interrupter. I'm an interrupter, not that much, no,
(36:55):
but you're you're a word thrower. Yeah, I'm an interrupter
and you're a word Yeah. We're different. But at least
we can sit here and acknowledge that and have this conversation.
You know, like, think about any other scenario. I just
feel like so many people took high school and they
just ran with it. Does that make sense? I'm like,
(37:19):
oh my god, you're sixty and you're talking shit. Can
I be honest with you? Like, I just went through
a transformative experience. So recently I went to Mexico, as
you know. Yes, and it was I realized this while
I was there. Okay, it was the first trip that
I took with my family and everyone was an adult. Oh,
(37:44):
my sister, my younger sister, you know, moved out. She's
as a whole freaking fiance. Now, you know, she's a whole.
I still see her as like this little thing, you know,
but she's such a badass going to be a little thing.
It's just that, you know, she's a whole, last thing,
she's a whole. You know, she's a she's a she's
an adult now she's begetting to adult now, shout out amber.
(38:09):
So because we were all financially responsible for the trip,
we're more invested in how we spend our time. Well,
we want to have a good time more than like
if we When you're young and you don't care, you
kind of just follow along. There's something that clicks when
you are no longer living at home and no longer
you know, and you become responsible for yourself. You own yourself,
(38:30):
You own your Actually it's funny because I kind of
came out of the womb like that. But but you
you know, you own the ship that you do that
You start to like really see see your your family
for who they are as humans. You start to relate
to them in a way that you never could before
(38:51):
because you were so little. You've never been big now
that you know, by ship dude, by my age now
I would have a nine at a five year old
different times to that, you know, But that's what I'm saying.
You begin to see the humanity in your family members
(39:12):
that you once idolized or just took all of their
you know, all of their words for granted. You start
to see their flaws and humbles. You to love and
forgive them for who they are, and also love and
forgive yourself. A big make a noise, and this is
(39:36):
an audio show. Sorry I was. I was snapping because
I really feel that, Yeah, if you don't forgive yourself
and you don't forgive your family, you're going to be
in a constant battle every family. It's a process. Okay,
I just had this realization, so chill. No, I'm not,
I'm chilling, but but this is what I'm saying, Like,
inherently the irony is that the way that procre Asian happens,
(40:01):
you have generation in between you and who raises you right, Well, yeah,
usually usually depending on the circumstance. But for the most part, Okay,
when you have a child, right, you haven't an entire
life behind you. It doesn't matter how many years it is,
You've already been conscious enough to understand a little bit
(40:23):
about this world for sure, And so the process of
raising children, there's always going to be differences in the
world and and now in the world that we're living
in the way the technology evolves, the way that everything
is evolving. Every two years is a different world. Every
year is a different world. Look at freaking COVID, like,
(40:44):
you know, like, look at what we've been through in
the last few years. They're going to read about it
in the books and we're gonna have lived it and
it's just gonna be a few years away to somebody.
It's going to be history. To us, it's going to
be experienced, you know. So I feel like that's what
we have to understand about, like the children and parents dynamic.
And it's not just parents, because it was actually the
(41:06):
bigger realization, the real lesson I am. It wasn't with
my parents, well my mom, you know, Uh, it was
it was with my grandparents. It was with my grandparents
who literally could never do any wrong in my eyes,
who I worship and I still do course, but their
(41:28):
their humanity became very apparent as opposed to like their heroism.
It's not about you know, not you know, it's not
about like it's not like a loss of or seeing
them in a different way like they lost. It's just
like I I see more of them and I understand,
(41:51):
you know, I understand why mom is the way that
she is because I look at who her father is
and I understand what parts of that has trickled down
my Mom's founted and landed on me. And that's where
I feel like you could really start to do the
work and kind of like sift through your your own yourself,
(42:15):
your habits, your behaviors, and decide what really fits you
and what does it, what serves you and what does
it How do you get to that awareness? I mean,
I was just like hit in the face with it.
I was just looking at my grandfather and you know,
we're very different people, but ways in which he would
(42:37):
react to things. I was like, dude, I've done that,
m hm, and holy crap, I saw him do it,
my mom saw him do it. And then you repeat,
because we're kind of like little little bears in our
formative years, personally picking up as we go. I had
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that experience with I'll tell you, like, you know how
much my grandma means to me. I cried about her
right here on this podcast. She was my life and
my life, my best friend, and she had many faults,
and the people who love her most would blatantly acknowledge
her faults and I feel like that's a part of
love as well. But at the same time, I feel
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like the irony is that, like you're saying okay the
same way you say I saw that, and I recognize
that I exhibit that behavior. I'm sure there are a
bunch of behaviors that your grandpa has that you wish
you had. Oh yeah, I feel that way about my grandma.
I'm like, you know what, And it's like a mix up.
It's like you have to take the best of the
(43:43):
old and the best of the new and like make
a fucking sun culcho, make a soup that's so delicious,
because like my mom bro my mob for example, one
of the things that I wish I would have inherited
from her. She's an action person. She's an action person.
I am more of a visionary where I come up
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with really good ideas, but I struggle to execate that.
My mom, on the other hand, has no idea how
to process anything. I get lost in the swauce when
I'm processing all right, I will philosophize for hours here
with you. My mom doesn't even stop to think, but
she gets it done. See, there's like we were together.
(44:25):
We might make a good team. My true opinion as
someone who is on the journey to do a lot
of work on herself, who me say about myself, Like,
I just want to say this right now, I'm going
to announce it. Yes, other than that, um, I really
(44:46):
am on the journey to like do some serious self work.
And I feel like a lot of people have a
hard time acknowledging that there's anything wrong with them, or
like there's anything not wrong, because there's nothing wrong. But
this world is full of flaws and that's why we're here.
But what I'm saying is that I actually feel empowered
(45:08):
to take control and say, all right, it's time to
make some changes and really look inward and take the
time that I need to do that. And it's maybe
a little bit easier for me to say that, but
I have other pressures in my life that people would
never understand. Yeah, and I can vouch for that. You know,
(45:30):
take with that what you will. But that's my truth,
and that's part of my growing journey. Yeah, it's it's whatever.
The point is not whatever. It's cheers, not whatever. Not.
We're not drinking, We're just cheers our brains. No. I
guess what I mean is you have to be true
(45:51):
to yourself. And where I am right now is what
I was getting at, is that there's no shame in
realizing that you want to do self work. Actually, that's empowering.
It's empowering because you're able to acknowledge that you're trying
to meet a goal instead of, you know, like trying
(46:12):
to excuse things about yourself. And I don't want to
excuse anything about myself. I want to evolve. Yeah, I
want to be the best fucking version of myself. I
know everybody's like, you can't be happy every day. I agree,
you can't. You're gonna have ship days, you're gonna have
shipped moods. But if you have the tools and you
(46:34):
understand that that's coming, and you know how to incorporate
it into the little time that we have on this
freaking rock. Then fuck yeah, I want to spend my
time figuring out how to economize my time here, how
to economize my mood because I you know, like, yeah,
(46:54):
there's no darkness without light, et cetera. You know, you
have to feel really good to understand really bad. Sorry,
you have to feel really bad to understand what it's
like to feel really good. Sure, been there, done that.
Now that we've been through all that, let's let's self regulate. Sure.
I saw this documentary about monks the other day, and
it was unbelievable because everybody thinks, oh, Nirvana, they're perfect
(47:19):
that like you see, you idealize these spiritual figures that
you think are just constantly in flow. You know, Oh,
monks they're never angry, they're never this, they're never that.
This guy they were gracious enough to let him in.
There are certain rules, like you can't eat with a
monk if you're not a monk and whatever, but they're
(47:40):
very inviting and if you want to have a certain
time in a monastery, they will usually let you in,
which is something else I thought about. By the way,
I think I should be a monk. I gotta shut
up for a minute. My whole realization of watching this documentary,
right he he infiltrates the monastery. He's there for a
couple of weeks, and he goes, you know what, I
came here thinking that they were evolved beings, thinking that
(48:05):
they knew something that I did it, And you know what,
I realized they're just humans. He was talking to the
monks and he's going, I wish I could have a
beer right now, Like I gave up drinking to do this,
But you know what, it's my it's my choice. You
know what else I learned that is so beautiful, just
like shows the give and take of humanity and the
(48:28):
fact that today you posted I wish humanity could give
itself a group hug right, I think humanity needs a group.
H Okay. The monks they wake up and they sing,
and they walk around the village and all the people,
even though they're poor and they may not have any food,
any money, right, they give They walk around with these
empty trays, these silver trays, and they fill the trays
(48:49):
with whatever food they have, and most of it is
ironically vegetarian, like beans and lentils and rice, and some
people only give a few grains of rice, and some
people give more. Right, they carry this all back to
the monastery, and the guy, ironically who was talking about
how he wanted a beer and you know, etcetera, he goes,
(49:11):
my job here is they have this incredible meal that
they have that smells incredible and it's delicious, and it's
like this vegetable, right, and you're like, what's in the meal?
What's in the meal? Turns out, after the morning walk
of them, you know, grabbing all this food from the people,
it's oftentimes much more food than they need, right, And
(49:34):
they only eat twice a day. They fast. Monks fast,
So the first time they eat, they eat the offerings
that the people give them, and there's a lot of leftovers.
And then the chef the next morning takes all the
leftovers because they're vegetables, puts them all together and makes
like a like a stew of all the leftovers, and
(49:57):
that's what they eat for lunch. So they repurpose all
the meals, and people like you can go online and
they're like, it's the most delicious thing I've ever had,
and they're like, yeah, you know why, because it's love
of the community, repurposing, not wasting food. They don't waste
one grain of rice, And if you look at it,
it's like, oh my god, that looks delicious. It's literally
a mixture of all the meals that everybody in the
(50:19):
neighborhood has made. I just thought that was, like, that's beautiful,
so amazing, And you know, we've lost that in a sense,
that sense of community. But my point is that, yes,
I feel like we have to take those drastic steps,
and whether it's going to a monastery or whatever, there's
no shame in that. People feel ashamed to admit that
(50:40):
there's some journey that we need to do. Yet everybody's
obsessed with watching these movies about you know, evolving our mind,
and you know, I love that we can work on
and you know, in a relationship that we can understand
and therapy, and it's like everybody's obsessed with it, but
embarrassed to admit it. Yeah, and I'm not going to
(51:03):
do that anymore. That show, I mean, I agree with you,
it's about as humid as anything else is. Yes, I
think that is being human, or at least how we
can actually surpass being human. Right. I feel like there
was a time. The word human right now actually kind
(51:24):
of gives me a funky feeling. Yeah, I don't know
what is that? What you have alien tattooed out of
your army. For the most part, I don't want to.
I can't relate. You can, maybe I don't want to.
You are human, We we all are, Yeah, But I
don't operate like most humans. I would never take a
rifle or a gun and shoot another I don't think
(51:46):
most people. I can't kill an animal for sport. I
don't think most people can think about it for a second,
hold on to sit with what you just said, really
think about it. We are humans, and on very levels,
we all displayed great and also ugly qualities. Just like
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you said earlier, the capacity for darkness is the capacity
for light, and I think that's the same for what
we create. We could do as much good as we
could do bad vice versa, we do so much bad.
The lack of faith that I have in humanity just
me being honest right now, in this moment, I feel
like we're better beaten, Like back in our in our beginnings,
(52:30):
like back in the original ways, as brutal as it was,
like hunting and this and that, like I feel like
we were more human back then than now. Like I
feel like I watch animals and I feel like Leona,
shout out, Leona, our cat has helped me with this
because in the past, right, and you you can vouch
(52:51):
for this, if she was about to kill a lizard,
I probably would have gotten on my knees and started
crying and sobbed and tried to put a stick in
between her the lizard, and you would have taken out
from the whole. I would have had a whole thing.
And what happened today, You're like what I say, I said,
let her kill it. It's suffering. Just let her do
her thing, because I was catching here the act. And
(53:15):
if I can catch the act, get her food instead, okay?
And then what the lizard has eight broken legs and
it's suffering. And that's the nature of the world. And
I know that it's such a small microcosm that made
me see the macro, right, But I would have never
been able to do that before. Jem Yeah, I'm the
(53:36):
girl that was sobbing at the hotel because the dragonfly
was drowning. And granted that's different. I feel like you
would feel that way today anymore. Well, if a dragonfly
is drowning, I'm always going to try to get it out.
But you're not trying to be like no, no, I
wouldn't lose my ship. Yeah, question for you, what lizard
has eight legs that could break? I've never heard of
(54:06):
the octolus. Wow, you've done better. You've done better. You've
never heard of the lockdow. Okay, lizard, it's late, baby girl,
Well I stopped. I already cried one first. I love you.
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While you're crying again, I don't know emotional. Okay, it's okay,
you can be emotional. It's a safe space. I love you,
Thank you, thank you. I know that there were moments
where we were confused and losses, scared navigating new waters,
(55:02):
but it's been a pleasure, truly has my lady apps
out for the cause. Sorry, passengers, these have been your
commander's gemina of the I O O W Brothership. Thank
you for it has been a pleasure to serve you.
(55:26):
Until next time. It still stopping, Hie, We love you.
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