Big Meech EMBARRASSED Himself? 50 Cent Watched Rick Ross Play Him for Clout! Loon Breaks It Down!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, they say a picture worth a thousand words, But
I'll be telling Ross, hey, holme, it's worth a million dollars.
Now now they say a picture worth a thousand words,
ain't Ross? This picture here was worth a million dollars. Man,
send that through respectfully to you know. You know what
kind of nigdamn you you getting money like that? You
know you see what I'm going through.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Now?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
The new question is is will Big Meat sou fifty
cent for damages and also for financial liability as it
pertains to the counsel concert. Now this is a loaded
topic because we gotta deal with Tammy in this topic,
not necessarily from her cooperating with the government and if

(00:45):
Meach knew about it, but we do have to deal
with why she would end up with the life rights.
I think that's a legitimate question. How can this lady
that just so happen to be cooperating with the government
end up with the life rights of a street leg
Because a question I have is what do you do
when a snitch has your life rights? However they got

(01:07):
it right. Let's deal with however they got your life rights?
What do you do when the moths cooperating? Now half
your life rights. How you wiggle around that?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
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We're gonna talk about a lot today. I ain't even
gonna cap with you. You know I've been gone you
dig I.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Feel like you know, it's a great area. People you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
My name is coming up in certain conversations and they
still bleeping my name like I ain't gonna survive if
they mentioned it. It's gonna help me that much. I
think they playing some kind of weird game. We'll get
to that a little lady in the show. We're gonna
talk about Big Meats fifty cent, the ongoing feud and.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Beef they have.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
They've inserted Rick Ross, of course he inserted itself. We
got Floyd Mayweather, little meats texts we have and had
a chance to speak about any of that.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
So many different things.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Also, Ray J says that his ex wife has the
best head.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
In America.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
And while this disrespectful and you don't want to speak
about the mother your children like that, I know what
it feels like when you lose one of their mother
head monsters. I can't even lie. We're gonna get to that.
So again, a couple different things, pod trade talks. I

(03:36):
think this is a niche conversation. Some of you guys
may not know, so I'm gonna have to fill you
in as to a couple of different podcasters from the
w CW. We're doing what's called a podcast Trade Talk,
and my name came up a couple of times. You'll

(03:56):
be interested in knowing where those times words some of
the tactics that are still taking place. As I'm two
or three years in with a successful business. You know me,
I'm gonna put some game down every time I speak
about a conversation. Let's talk about the Big Meat situation.
Meach just found themselves in a very interesting scenario. It's

(04:17):
fascinating if you ask me, the last time we were
together and you guys were listening, we spoke about Meats
his ability to get out. Of course they had some
alleged paperwork. Again, I have not substantiated any allegations of
Big Meats being a red I always lead with that
because I understand how important legacy is and that people

(04:41):
always want to make sure that they're right and on
the right side of history. And my word is strong
in the ghetto, and it's strong getting black culture amongst
black men and black boys, and so I don't want
to be irresponsible with my platform. Now, with that being said,
that does not mean that I'm gonna nor the rumblers
and the conversation that is being had by COATU. It's

(05:04):
just that I won't stamp and approve anything that I
haven't verified with my own two eyes and those that
understand how men operate and understand that and respect that.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I want to be clear.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
About the third party cooperation. So last time we spoke,
I kind of dived into the fact that fifty cent
was emotionally involved in how Meats responded and standing next
to Ross, because again I think Ross knew what he
was doing. And I don't say that because I got
something against Ross. That's never the scenario, I said, because

(05:41):
I'm dealing with the information deal. I always remember when
I'm talking, I'm dealing with the cards deal, and I
ain't never assume maybe I seeing something you didn't see.
But any time I speak, understand i'm speaking with some
sort of information. I ain't just willing nil. I ain't
one of them kind of men. There's a numb of
reasons why I say Rick Ross know what he was doing,

(06:02):
But one was the fact that I looked up and
Meach had on a Rick Ross car show shirt. And
to me, you're a legend. You're a legendary nigga. I
know what the game is though, right Meat's been paying
attention from inside the balls that the picture game is
powered out there on the street.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
But what I find.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Is doing a disservice to Big Meach's legacy is a
rapper can pull up on a street hustler a Nick
that they said it was getting twenty five hundred bricks
a month. I just want Nick to be clear to
the children because it's important that black boys understand that

(06:49):
when you do get some money in the street, this
is how you end up. No disrespect to Meach. I'm saying,
if we're dealing with his legacy, he shouldn't have to
run over there to a nigga like Rick Ross and
change his clothes for no mother money.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Now, Ross had him in a in a Rick Ross
Coos Show T shirt or cost show shirt, and it
looked like it kind of was too little. But I
know what it is. Meach got a thirty form or something,
a twenty thirty form, something that you know he respecting
the game at least Ross pulling up with something on

(07:29):
something so he gonna take the picture. But I think
if you asked me, it was a mistake. Mitch get
out looking for a sequel and got a standoff. And
see this is why I like the rappers that I like.
It's only a few rappers, but this is why I
like the ones that I like. It's because money don't
move him like that.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
I got this information, you know, right after the pandemic,
And if you were aware and you were in this business,
then you've seen, well, right after the pandemic, you just
started to see rappers do these drops from just random
distros or random T shirts and random it would just

(08:12):
be random scenarios and influencers kind of started it their
value being a little bit different than the rappers value.
But the pandemic birth this engagement endorsement, and so when
I first seen it, I've always thought the numbers were off.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Because, for example, you'll have a.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Rap dude who say this rapper, rapper, hrd you one
hundred and seventy five thousand and four verse, and then
he'll do this drop that's a minute long, when not
only his voice but his likeness and a post on
his page for ten grand. I've always said those numbers
were off, but that helps me understand that they don't

(08:57):
understand what the value lies. The business is structured in
a way where they understand the value and diverse being
worth one hundred and fifty thousand, but on the same side,
with that same person and that same likeness. They don't
understand the value of endorsing this distro or whatever the
case may be, for this five or ten grand or

(09:18):
two or three bowls, or whatever the case may be.
And so I saw this when the pandemic was birthed.
And so when you look at Meach, what I'm thinking
is happening is he comes home and he understands that
Ross pulls up on me, Ross probably kicking his high
level boss talks shit how he does with his charisma
that he got gone. And next thing you know, Big

(09:40):
Meats got on the COS Show T shirt. We're gonna
get the Foe two. You know what I'm saying. FO
two gave me some money, they say, And can't nobody
feel no way about that. You know, Fox two is
from up that way. They got taed to each other,
probably down the line. So it's a difference, Narroo. He

(10:00):
can honor meets if he won't until we see some
kind of paperwork. Again, for me, I don't know if
he read it. And you don't hear me calling me
your wreck. I haven't substantiated the paperwork But when I
see this kind of thing with Ross, when you pull
up on Ross, which is you know again people again,
the streets. The culture respects Ross hustle. We look at

(10:23):
Ross like a supreme hustler. He wanted them dudes to
know how to get money. But when we think of Meat,
when we see meats run over had to put on
a COS Show T shirt for me and for hustlers,
it looked like a for sale sign. And I don't
mean that disrespect for the meat, but that's what it
comes out as. And so whis we see it we

(10:43):
knowing that it's a money play. Like our street nigga,
they know that this is a money play. Now here's
here's another money play you saw Meat make. And this
is why I say that the finances are probably in question.
Right before they canceled the show, you saw Meach come
out and he said something and he did a video

(11:04):
response to fifty cent. He didn't say his name, He
never said fifty name. But he said, I'm doing this
for my family and my friends. I stood a town.
I never cooperated and I never will such and such
and such come out to my show. That was his
That was his welcome home money from the streets. See,

(11:25):
that's what people don't understand. Big Meach was looking at
that Welcome Home concert like his Welcome home money from
the street.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
If his name was still good, he was finna.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Meet all in rap nigga, all of them that was
groupers were finna hit him with some money, give him
some money. He was finna sell out the arena. They
were finna make a bag on that. Ain't no telling
what kind of connections he would have made that night
if everything was just in order, if he took the money.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Cool Again.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
I've always said that Meach is probably looking at all
these rappers like yo, I was a street nigga, a
rich nig before y'all even got money. I had money
before jay Z and he see how y'all dudes do it.
By jay Z, they kissed a ring. When it comes
to jay Z, and he probably thinking, man, I was
getting money for he was getting money. I was a
hustler when he was just trying to figure it out.

(12:15):
So I can see him having some dip on his chip.
So if he got some dip on his chip, I
don't see him looking at rappers and saying, I'm listening
to am one of you nigga. On top of that,
let's put in the context that he's probably on some
kind of probation, some kind of paperwork where he can't

(12:35):
just be wilding out and making threats online and dealing
with the biggest fifty cent to go right in the
trick bag. Now, I will say this the meat again
with him rat and still being out, the jury is
out on that. I'm gonna speak to the third party
cooperation in just a second, but I will say this,
the big meat the loud part is over with. He

(12:57):
can't get no louder than it's gotten the last couple
of weeks. Now he has done some damage to the brand,
and the brand has been damaged. But you whether the
storm the loud part is over also, coming out of prison,
all you need to know your nigga with.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Names and.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Flavor bout yourself and you think you're gonna run into dudes, right,
You have to always remember that in this game, people
specialize in giving minimal effort for maximum impact. You see
that what's twenty thirty grand to like ross can pull
up long as you put this shirt on and I

(13:38):
get this picture. If I can get this picture with
big meats fresh home from jail. It's fifty been tied
in with his son all this time. If I can
get this picture, which is worth thirty grand, if you
go left, if you never fuck with men, what this
picture right here from me? If I just holler cos
show this cod show that it's worth thirty grand. Now,

(13:58):
he probably didn't think fifty had the influence to affect
Meach because it's street legacy versus Internet influence and Internet power.
Fifty has a story behind him, but Big Meach has
the kind of legacy that's legendary if it didn't have
no smut on it. So it's gonna be hard to
wrestle him down in regards to narrative, for fifty been

(14:23):
able to get a hold to it for him to
run over the Ross.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Ross knew what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
He was maximizing minimal effort for maximum impact. He gave
you a shirt twenty thirty grand. This picture gonna ruin
everything for you, but it's gonna pipe this cost show up.
Maybe he didn't think it'd go that far, but I
would have him on the hook for some money. I
would have Ross on the hook. And I say that respectfully,
like I ain't just trying to. But I push your

(14:49):
mean line like you gotta ask about it, Like I
push a mean line about that for shit show, like
if I had came home dog, if you done cost
me an entire a situation like that because a picture
with you and you knew what it was doing, then
why you put the shirt on me? See if I'm
big meats, I done start thinking about it. See I
know he's somewhat thinking about it. I done started thinking

(15:11):
about that.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Nigga made me put on a COS Show T shirt.
I'm big meat. He knew. My son was like, what's up?
What's till Bru?

Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's how I'm thinking, And in the back of ross
head he probably thinking they because bro, that's got to
be on the table. Like we can ignore that and
act like yo, man, let's not even But I don't
play them kind of games, like let's talk about what
really going on? If you're asking me, this is my narrative.
If I'm meets, I'm somewhat thinking like brou had to

(15:43):
know what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Why he put me in a CAS Show T shirt?

Speaker 1 (15:49):
What do we really think that the value of this
post is if you not already gave me the money
I appreciate you, my nig see you that night.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
We already got you on the fly.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
The fifty cent niggas man is like a kulkoo for
cocoa puff kind of nick. We gotta be a little
bit more considerate of his intellect and it's emotional availability
to these kind of scenario. We can't just be ub
tooth like if you if we're talking about fifty we
know he's yeah, we know how he gonna react.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
And so now MEAs knows that. Yo.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
They say a picture worth a thousand words, but I'll
be telling Ross, hey home, it's worth a million dollars.
Now now they say a picture worth a thousand words,
ain't Ross This picture here was worth a million dollars. Man,
send that through respectfully to you know. You know what
kind of nigamn you you getting money like that? You
know you see what I'm going through.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Now.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
The new question is is will Big Meat sou fifty
cent for damages and also for financial liability as it
pertains to the cancel concert. Now this is a loaded
topic because we gotta deal with Tammy in this topic,
not necessarily from her cooperating with the government. And if

(17:08):
Meach knew about it, But we do have to deal
with why she would end up with the life rights.
I think that's a legitimate question. How can this lady
that just so happen to be cooperating with the government
end up with the life rights of a street legend.
Why not give her the power of attorney? Is it
because Meach felt like he would never get out? But

(17:29):
even still, with the pressure feeding your family with a
story worth a couple million dollars, maybe if I put
it in the right hands, we can get five or
ten million from it. But baby, it's a way I
can do that without signing the entire rights over to you.
I think it's interesting that it's something to be talked
about there. But before I get there, I want to

(17:50):
deal with is there any scenario what Meach can sue
for control of his life rights at this point, because
this should not have is what do you do when
a snitch has your life rights? However they got it right?
Let's deal with however they got your life rights. What
do you do when the moth is cooperating now have

(18:12):
your life rights? How you wiggle around that? Again, the
jury is still out on why she got your life rights.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
But at this point.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I now got to deal with somebody that's cooperating and
setting people up but does have my mother life rights.
Now I'm hearing down the pipeline lawsuits could be coming
to try to maintain some portion of the life rights.
I'm not sure about the defamation. Some people are saying

(18:42):
the defamation thing is in play as well as holding
him responsible again from the damages of the cancel concert.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
See if it was anybody but fifty cent big meet,
you be able to.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Tell them that it's easier to film a dynasty and
it's order to live one. But the interesting dynamic he
has his he really can't say that the fifty because
although fifty is the executive producer of the shows and
he's one of the big feet as it pertains to
that industry, at least for us, he built a dynasty

(19:19):
prior to even here in that way, So that conversation
don't hit the same if it was a white man
doing meats like that, even without the slender So let's
say a white man has let's say Tupac rights, maybe
we can rally to see if.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
There's any loopholes in the contract.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
But who am I kid? And this culture don't fight
for Park, they don't fight for nobody. So this coaching
don't give a fuck who got your life rights. They
just want to hit the stories. So who am I kidding?
Nobody's gonna rally behind none of these people in getting
their life right. So most likely the life rights conversation
is dead. If Tammy Cohen did indeed get the signature

(20:02):
to the life rights and fifty cent got them, and
there's no loopholes in it, it's done, which I don't
which I don't foresee any loopholes. It went probably through
all the checks with stars being behind it. But I
wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if there may
be a legal loopholes somewhat is missed with this life

(20:22):
rights conversation. And maybe Meach wants to have that conversation
because at this point fifty can just crush his brain.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
He could just crush the show.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
And then I need you guys to understand, if I
have your life rights, you can't do a movie or anything.
I have your life rights unless you coughed it out
in the contract that you have the mini series, we
still have the rights to do a movie. I haven't
heard of any conversation that that's the case. So I
would lead to believe that fifty cents own fifty cent

(20:51):
owns both all exclusive life rights for Big Meats, and
so that's gonna be extremely hard for him to wiggle
out of that. And also sewing may make him look
like look a certain way. They already got certain allegations
on it. Also, I want to be clear with rappers,
y'all need to start using the soue button. Don't let

(21:12):
these people in this image thing trick, y'all. The soue
button is a very powerful button for powerful people. Don't
be afraid to use it. Its business. It ain't no
police shit. I want to say that as a big
dog and a nick that a sue one of these
companies if they get wrong. I definitely want to put
that on the record. Let's deal with the text message

(21:33):
that Little meets fifty. I think this is a very
interesting time in Little Meets's life, right, His dad has
been gone for a very long time. He's have to
develop and grow up without the presence of someone that
he probably hears so much about. This great person is hustler,

(21:54):
this street legend, this person that got that he plays
in a TV show, but he hasn't been able to
spend a lot of time when them in developing.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Away where he really knows him.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
And so I can imagine him well before he got
into business with fifty cent, that he grew up on
fifty You know in our younger years, especially meets younger
than me. So in his younger years, I would imagine
that fifty cent was one of the people that he
saw rise to fame and had a certain element about
him that reminded him from where he come from, or

(22:28):
at least where they say his father came from, and
some of the elements that the rappers talk about shine bright,
and some of the behaviors that his father may have
left behind, some of the strip club activities, you know,
some of the houses, some of the young black men
getting money. He probably developed in a way where he

(22:49):
heard so much about what his father left behind, but
running into fifty cent in his father's absence, I would
say fifty cent, Fiel, a void for fifty cent is
of councer, and the energy from a councer is very
It's captivating, but it's catastrophic if it's.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Emotionally triggered.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Fifty cent being someone that I look at it and say, yo,
you you've seen alone the years, Yo, you've had scenarios
with his son. Yo, get away from me.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's dead. That's over with again.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
As we dealing with a man that's been shot, probably
looked over a few.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Things prior to getting shot.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
A man time money boom, they hit me. Oh, I
ain't never looking over nothing no more. Everything gets serious.
Now my outlook changes. I've been hitting nine times close
to death. Rite all you niggas will nearly all you
Leon de Pion's little boy, larryge y'all can walk around

(23:49):
and just you know, no one's in the air.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
You ain't having no You don't have a radar or
realistic outlook on danger what can take place because it
never took place in your vicinity, so you don't view
it the same. Fifty Cent being someone that I say,
come from a place where Yo, this shit is everything
or nothing. So bumming in the little Meat, somebody that

(24:18):
he probably treated like a son, He embraced him, sent
him to acting school. The big Meat story was valuable
without fifty cent, but fifty cent being in that position
at that time, with that network, with that budget on
Fire after Power. There's no there was not a better
scenario for that story to be in. And so I

(24:42):
guess I'm speaking to how Little Meats probably felt around fifty.
He probably felt like fifty was a real gangster, a
real leader, father figure, a businessman, an entrepreneur, a rich
black man. You dig got a certain riverns for fifty

(25:04):
his father come home and get with ross and litl
meach is looking for a sequel and end up with
a standof fifty cent. Unfollows Little mechs he had an
own slough to high activity and bush of Instagram posts,
sneak dish is slanderers in rows at Big Meach. And

(25:27):
so now Little Meach hit fifty up because just the
same fifty cent he's been rocking with for a long time.
He may don't understand the all the war. He don't
come from a background where he gotta beat guards up,
antenna is up?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
You did he get laid back?

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Ain't he done?

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Got rich at a young age. He waiting on the
next season of the Rolls. He locked in with Big
Phil fifth, got a budget on five different networks. He
probably see his future right, He's seeing it a certain
way now, he says, it takes to fifty. The text read,
they just told me you won't follow me on Instagram,

(26:04):
and now you're managing skialer. Baby, shut out skiller with
Rocket when I thought him and when I brought him
around you first, when you didn't even have a clue
who he was. Now you mad at me when I
will take the shirt off my back for you. I
can't believe this, man. You act this as if I'm
an enemy. I only showed you love and lords in

(26:24):
human form. I go through my own shit, but I
never switched on you. Fuck cross. But he gave my
dad some bread so he can afford to pay his
bills until our next season starts. It's in and that
shit that's thrown me off, man, You know me in
real life. I ain't gonna lie a little bit of me.
If mich was came home sharp and I thought he

(26:47):
was a sharp nigga, you know it, don't it seem
like he making certain kind of moves. He ain't as
sharp as he probably need to be to be operating
at the level they trying to put him in, because
they trying to put him at a level where it's
it's high level thinkers through that. You got to know
how to you dig. You what I'm saying, You gotta
know how to weave in and out of traffic and
make the right decisions and pressure situations. And you gotta

(27:08):
be able to think your way to the next step.
And I'll thank your opponent. You gotta be able to
navigate in this water because if you don't, man, you'll
lose everything you up.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Here with high thinkers.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Man, everything is on the line up here, and it's
our mental gymnastics and mental jiu jitsu. It's all wit
against wit. It ain't brain, it ain't bronze against bronze.
His brains against brains. Right, A little part of me said,
I wonder what it's a play of me saying, hey,
let's try to get back in with him. Neverwere to,

(27:40):
you know, telling me it ain't nothing. We're gonna try
to patch it up with and be cool, but we're
still gonna get away from him. Your daddy home. Now,
we're gonna be all right. I'm gonna get it straight.
But let's keep that money rolling in, so send him
this kind of message. I was wondering if it's that
kind of play. Nonetheless, it wouldn't have worked either way,

(28:00):
because fifty the kind of nigga where he understands, Yo,
I'm going at your daddy, Nigga, no way I can
be cool with you.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Man.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
What kind of low level thinking nigga? I think I
am why I'm going at your father and I'm gonna
be cool with you?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
That seemed like a play.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
If I'm fifty centing a nigga son, I'm going there
with meat son and it man. Even though we live
in a day and age now and this ain't even
about little meats, but on God, we live in a
day and age now where a family member go against
a family member for a nigg with an opportunity for.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Him, nigga blood or go against blood for.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Opportunity, lord to burn over opportunity, nigga go against nigga,
no lord to him for opportunity. That's why you got
people going to city at the radio, when you got
blog pages and people that's fighting for artists every day,
fighting for causes every day. That's why the president when
they come to the city, guess where they go. They

(28:58):
go see the grass roots mother Us. They also go
see CNN, but they make sure to stop over here
at the grass roots. Luckily for me, I'm in position
where I'm like a CNN, so I'm gonna be hoit
either way. We'll get to that in a minute. This
text message from Little Meach. If it wasn't a play,
it was just a young man in his emotions. Even

(29:21):
if Fifty wanted to be cool with Little Meach, it
couldn't happen. And Little Meatch don't understand that. I hate
that Fifty took that route with him because the little
nigga I love for him, you see what I'm saying,
But he trying to show his dad.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I'm crushing you.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
You know, he trying to He trying to prove a
point to his father, and he using his son as
a pawn in this situation.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I hate he done that to.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Him, and the little nigga look up to him. You
get what I'm saying. But what I will say about
Little Meets is he don't really understand that it ain't
no in between like that, you know, and hopefully his
father may begin to understand that.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
I know if it was me, it would have crushed me.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
You know, if one of my kids, I feel like
you're going against me for these dudes. You know, and
and Meats can't following him as much as he would
like to, because again, he's been absent, And an absent
father can't raise his voice at a child that love
what he loved, the things that a child indulge in.

(30:21):
An absent father ain't got no being and raising his
voice about now the one that was there scratching and
clawing and told him to go left, and he went right.
He can sit there with his lip poked out and
he can pitch a bit. But you niggas that ain't
never done nothing, that ain't never led the way and
led the pack, You nigga better shut your mother mouth
when the kid go wondering off trying to figure out

(30:41):
where to eat at. I don't want to hear you
niggas rumble the word when that little boy wander off
and try to figure out how to come back with
some food. When you, nigga, he never led the way.
You been absent fathers, you been absent? Fuck you and
speaking the dude he want to lock in with a

(31:02):
niggas right respectfully, I can and I don't see a
world where big Meats can be mad about this. But
little Mets don't know how much faith to have in
his father. In twenty and twenty five, he don't know
what his father gonna do with his hustle. In twenty
twenty five, he don't know what his father can do
outside of write what he was arrested for.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
He don't know what what do it look like outside
of that, what we're doing outside of that. So that's
why he want to be locked in with fifty. Fifty
know what to do in twenty twenty five, fifty know
how to work around in these buildings and still remain
who he is, true to himself, like him or not.
So he's been able to coptivate a category in a

(31:49):
very niche market, in this space where people don't have
to cachet to be able to communicate in these boardrooms
in a way where they can get a check cut.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
This can gets shit green lit.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
That's about some of the most horrendous acts. He's in
a very unique position. And so of course, little Meat,
you want to be locked in with him. Why wouldn't
you want to be? But it would have broke my
heart as big meats to feel this. But he has
to understand that as you grow your child has confidence

(32:26):
in your driving skills because they've been in the car
with you a million times. They maybe have some confidence
and a little equity in your.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Jump shot because they've been to the gym with you. Right.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
They may know that you have the ability to talk
a free meal at the restaurant when we head up here,
because they they've saw you in action. But if you've
been absent, how much faith do they really have? And
all they got.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
His stories of what people said you was you was
a mean hustling.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
You can really get some money and you may have
done something behind bars, and they got some equity in
knowing your story.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
It's worth some money.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
But I want big Meats to have some compassion for
little meat and a mistake like this, You see what
I'm saying, Although I know it hurt, and I know
it come from a real interesting place because it'll hurt
my heart. But I want you to know you've been
gone long enough to separate the boy from his faith

(33:29):
in You see, a lot of daddies don't know just
because the little niggas, he'll know your face and he
know what you look like, and you know your birthday. Yeah,
but you've been absent, so long you done separated the
faith from the family.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
The boy ain't got no faith in you.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
You ain't know your name, but he ain't got no
faith in what you're gonna do, or what can you do,
or what you bring to the table.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
The wise mamay stayed with you.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
When a young boy it's young and he thinks his
father is a bad mother. That's one of the first
questions he come and asks you what happened while you
and my mama didn't work? Because man, I know, if
we was all together, boy, that'll be a And you
see them kind of marvel at the opportunity for it

(34:21):
to be that. But what I'm saying is there's a
twinkle in your kid's eye as they see you throughout
the years of them developing, conquer things, moving houses, getting
new calls, getting new jobs, maintaining this, scratching.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
For that, clawing for this.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
They believe in you, and they have faith in you
that they know that you will get it done like
you got it done before. And I think Meats needs
to have some compassion for little meat as he.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Works through there.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Let me do a brief hitting on the big meat
allegations of you know red now all these people got
these assumptions and these angles that they're taking approaches as
they speak about this scenario.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
I have not pulled the paperwork.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
I do based on what I was looking at today,
I do see where there was a Frank hearing. There
was a Frank's hearing and it showed that Tammy Cohen
said that she was interested in getting Big Meach's time cut.
She then later came back to retract that statement on

(35:35):
the record after Meat said he didn't want to be
involved in whatever she got. Going on, the parallels that
people are drawing is how did a woman who is
in this scenario that is working for the government end
up with your life rights and understand saying that I'm
willing to cooperate if we could cut Meech's time. And

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is a certain thing called third party cooperation. If you
have not seen my interview with Terrence Gangster Williams, we
spoke about third party cooperation.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
He said, you can give information.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
To anybody at any time, any law enforcement, and they'll
write a letter to get your time cut. I had
already been familiar with the third party cooperation and kind
of what it meant because me and Terry Gangster Williams
had spoke about it while the culture was searching for
a motive as to why Tammy Koran would be on

(36:31):
the stand or cooperating, because there is a motive when
these people cooperate. A lot of people were drawn to
the fact that she didn't need money, and some people
are saying that she became an informant to get meet
your lighter sentence. I have a question, what do y'all
expect big Mes to do when the snitch got his life? Right?

(36:53):
If he's anti snitch and he's in jail for life,
he got fifteen more years, and let's just give them
the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Again. I don't know which way you go.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I don't co sign nothing because I don't care about nothing.
I'm a scholar. I don't even do the street shit.
I give an I and milligrams a game a week.
I don't really talk no street shit. I'm talking business
in million dollar deals, right, But I'm gonna give y'all
a thousand milligrams a game on this here? Where do
you staying? Let's say Big Meats didn't tell her to cooperate.

(37:25):
She done it on her own. She trying to work
some kind of mood, which this could be something that
she later comes out and say, who knows, what do
you do when you are notified the lady you gave
your life rights is now cooperating with the government. I
think when you rewind that, the question still remains why
does she have your life rights? And not be a
powerful attorney. But if you're in a scenario where this

(37:50):
woman who has read it, has your life rights, you
gotta find a way to work with her. You can't
walk off on your life rights. This is a good
place to put yourself in to have plausible deniability as well,
because you can always act like listen, no, I can't.
I can't not do business with her. She got my

(38:12):
life rights shit worth fifteen. I can'tnot fuck around with him.
I think the loud part of what Big Meach is
gonna go through it as it pertains to all of
this is over with. I think he's gonna be okay
if he just keep his head down and watch the
moves that he's making and not playing to the narrative

(38:33):
narrative and keep it going. But with fifty on in
his life rights, what else can he do? Let's explore
what Big Meach can do while fifty have his life rights.
Can he write something? Can he write another urban story
similar to his and promote and market it like the

(38:55):
real story? For example, call it the real story worried
by Big Meat, don't say nothing about BMF.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Can he do something like that? You get what I'm saying? Like,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Again, there's so many ways that lawyers are gonna figure
a way to work around some of this. If it's
worth enough money, they'll bucket and make him have to
spend some money to get it right, which I think
fifty is that petty he gonna spend the money. There's
another reason why I don't think anyone wants to be
super quick to endorse it and invest in it from
a corporate standpoint, as they know it's gonna bring some

(39:30):
heat from fifty. He's gonna start posting about you negative
shit online until somebody's sewing him. And a couple of
these Nick Doesne talked about seeing them. We'll get to
Joe Budden threatening to sue fifty cent here in a second.
I do want to talk about this. Though Ralo has
continued to mention Big Meach and Young Scooter. I want
to deal with him. As he speaks to DJ Academics.

(39:56):
For those who do not know, Rollo is a rapper
from Atlanta. He got locked up for a long time.
There's been some allegations on him as well. He's walking around,
moving around trying to clear his name. There's been a
lot of people saying that he did some sort of trick.
He tried to run, but there's been some paperwork and
also transcript provides some details where Brian Still, the famous

(40:19):
lawyer from Young Thug's trial who represented Raleoh as well,
once said something to the tune of, if we can't
suppress this paperwork or this hearing, this would do a
great detriment to Raloh, his status and his rap friends
of the community are something to that effect, which led

(40:42):
people to believe, what's he in us speaking to.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
The police about other rappers.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Because for Brian Still to know that or say that,
I guess it's fair to ask, like I, what other
rappers would be upset with what Raleah may have said.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
And I think that's a fair question. Also, I won't
Roll Loder know this.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, you cool with Brian Steele, but I think Brian
Steel may be cool with certain people.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Enough to let them know.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Now, Hey, I ain't gonna say exactly what happened, but yeah,
stay away from bro or now he good.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Brian Steele can clear up White he ain't.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Somebody get Brian Steel to clear up. But we're gonna
keep Brian Stell a lot of this. That's my guy, man,
you know, allegedly for Brian Steel, that's my guy. I
want to look at Rodlo speaking of DJ Academics about
his paperwork.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Pay attention price was her relevant twenty criminal investigation conduct
by the agency?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Boy? Mean, this is DA.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Specifically, the information given did not help the United States,
I think, I mean, that's the exaggerate line, right. Specifically,
the information given did not help the United States to
identify nor locate the individuals mentioned in the illegal narcotics

(42:00):
trafficking described above. I mean, I'll continue to reading the rest,
but I mean I'll stop it there because we're gonna
get to and and I've seen and I think I
even defended you. I said, listen, I can understand being
in a box and feeling like you stood tall, and
then people saying you're the snitch. And when you came out,

(42:21):
I could tell you wanted everyone who put that out
there to not only be as loud with the apology,
but to have some accountability to that. Right, that line
is and by the way, you know we have the
official paperwork here, that line would tell me it basically
means you you did not help with the investigation of anybody,

(42:44):
and if anything, you just lied to these motherfuckers.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
The facts in this information given for my personal observation
and my trending experience and the information obtained from Davis's
and by the way, this report, I would think, would
tell them that they can't give you no deal because
you're hinder in the process more than you're trying to
help them, right my training experience in the information of
ten from Davis, having read and considered through this federal

(43:08):
criminal investigation conducted by the FBI, it lacks credibility. Davis
said his plug a case drug supplier was dead, which
led them to drug trafficking marijuana. On two separate occasions,
sixteenth of October twenty seventeenth, then October twenty sixth to
twenty seventeen, a Federal Bureau of Investigation confidential human source

(43:31):
purchased heroin inside Pakistan from a known famgon. During the
sale of the heroines. The confidential source was told the
heroin came from Davis. So there was somebody telling on you, right.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
It was a lot of people telling on me. I
got a documentation, I just ain't never put that out there.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
So how do you feel when people then say you
told when you have the actual paperwork?

Speaker 6 (43:55):
That's saying I.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
Mean people put that paperwork, like my co defenders and stuff.
How put that documentation out you but nobody just refused
to read it, like you shouldn't even run in that
room plan on you should never made it juice for
him at all.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
That's what I hear, Right, So I hear some people
who are saying, well, maybe we don't got the paperwork
on who he too because these days they'll be like, yeah,
we don't got the paperwork on who he told on.
We might not know who he told on. But the
mere fact that he even talk to them people, that's telling.
There's some people that go with that narrative.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
I don't understand that I always lie to the police.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Let me speak about that a little bit, and also
always when I speak about these topics, I want to
be clear. I'm a body street talk, I'm a scholar.
I don't honor none of this shit. This is bullshit talk,
but I do want to speak to it because it's
happening simultaneously while I'm hustling in our culture and I
always want to put something on the ground for a

(44:52):
hunger hound. Now, Raloh, sitting next to academics, which has
limited understanding on any legal problem, says any understanding of
any of these things. He don't have a nobody he
can even get on the phone, like, I got guys
right now in the fazz that I can hear, Hey,
I got this, Now, tell me what's going on with
the paperwork?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
It say it is?

Speaker 1 (45:16):
It's say that, And I got Muslim brothers that love
and respect Raloh that will be truthful and honest with
Raloh in the event that that's what needed to take place,
considering that truth lives above feelings in all circumstances.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
But I want to be clear.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I got enough knowledge about the legal process in our
judicial system to know that there's a couple of different
things that we can speak to right now. And I
don't want to speak to these in reference to Raloh
because I haven't seen the paperwork. I don't got time
to look into it. I'm hustling and it ain't really interested.

(46:04):
But I do want to be clear. There's a scenario
where you can give information and then the police turn
around and act like the information wasn't no good. For
an example, I a interviewed Terrence Gangster Williams and I
pressed the line on him a little bit about telling.
One thing I respect about Terrence Gangster Williams is that

(46:26):
he gonna stand on the fact that YO, I wanted
to get out here.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I ain't trying to act like I write. I did
what I did.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I was who I was before that, like you dealing
with the two faced man. I got two lives. I'm
on my third life. Now I live the life as
a gangster. I live a life as a rat. Now
I'm living a life as a sevillian. Because the whole
time he was in there taling, he never fucked that out.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
As I got.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Into the story, and now I listen back to our conversation.
He was giving information for years and he just got
out from a totally different law. All the information Terrence
Gangster Williams were giving the government along the time that
he was locked up, the government deemed a lot of
it not useful, or at least not enough to get

(47:15):
him out of jail. May be useful in the in
the right to close the case, may be useful as
it pertains to making a rent somewhere or you know,
getting closed in a file, but it wasn't enough to
get him out. He ended up getting out from the
first step act. So all they're telling all them years
and getting sneaked out out of the jail, and he

(47:37):
going in here telling them shit didn't amount to nothing.
Another trick that the police do. Let's say you're someone
that's inno scenario to be under investigation as a hustler,
as someone that may be moving meth that they call ice.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Nowadads, let's say that they.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Say when I meet him, I usually buy three ounces
of ice every Tuesday. Any event that you meet with
the police, and you only buy one ounce of ice
on a Friday, they can now say this ain't useful. Hey,
we using this against you. That didn't We didn't get

(48:17):
nothing from the whole time they done tapped his phone.
They know he got the ice, and they know he'll
move with it, so they make an arrest at a
different day, not from your information, primarily because.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
It was off a little bit, but you led me
in the right direction.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I've saw this, homie, I've saw it right, say man,
I can probably get a four and a half from him,
A right, they give you the money for a four
and a half, or you try to go getting a
four and a half. It's a slow day. I ain't
got nothing but two in the quarter. You come back
with two in the quarter. Your story didn't aligne therefore
is not useful as it pertains to getting time cut

(48:56):
off your sentence. I'm sorry, but the fact that you
told us what jets they be use, and maybe you
did tell us the.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Area that the growers were in.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Maybe you bullshitted us on the names of the people doing,
but maybe we got the route from you.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
See, that's what people know.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
That's why a lot of these street niggas like hold
up though Raulo explain to us, what make.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Brian still keep it real under oath about this shit?

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Then if it mean that much to you, because Nick Fianes,
he get to wondering, like hold on, even what academics
just read off. It didn't say he didn't give any information.
It said the information he gave was not useful. And
again they'll play a game with try to make him

(49:40):
give something stronger and nail him to the cross.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
If he don't instill, go arrest him. They dealing with
it with big meat right now.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
If you pay attention what their legend is. Tammy Cohen
got with Cuffey. Cuffey ended up getting arrested. But because
Tammy Korn was having an affair with the federal agent,
whatever her agreement was cars was nulling void.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
They threw it out the window.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
They still arrested Cuffy from the phone taps. So although
her and the federal agent who had an affair, both
of y'all xed out, we still got information from going
that route.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
We tapped Cuffy, we go get Coffey.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
This is how they move as a unit when we're
talking about the police and some of the tactics. So
let's be clear that people are not saying that your
name has to be in paperwork saying that you told
on such and such and we went and got foreign
had bricks out his house, and such and such told

(50:37):
us where to go get it from. No, your name
is in paperwork offering information. That's basically what Nigga's saying.
And you tried to run a place so you got
to keep trying to clear that up. But your name
in paperwork didn't ever mean that. They gonna keep it
real and tell us everything you said to him, Terrece

(50:59):
Gangster Williams, tell me right today, yo, bird Man and
them don't fuck with me cause I say I told
on some dead people.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
But how they know?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I'm telling them I did such and such? But how
they know?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
When the paperwork can't never tell a nigga exactly what's
going on or what they got.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Or what they've done.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Maybe an agent can, but why would they play the
game against themselves like that? These niggas coming out of
the fairs and tell you man. I interviewed Terrence Gangster
Williams that told for ten years and never got no time.
Cut was telling shit for ten years. All of a
sudden the first step act come and they put a

(51:38):
play together to get out and press the line and
press the issue. Man, I have been working with y'all,
Come on, man for whole time, he telling they keep
sending him back to the jail. Yeah nah, they ain't
really look how they were doing water, Yeah they really?
Yeah we can't Yeah nah, So we ain't gonna act
like that there's not a scenario. Well, you can give

(52:01):
information and the police are play it if it don't
line up to the t right again? Four ounces it
wasn't but two ounces nothing. That wasn't good enough. You
said four ounces. You said he would have four hundred
thousand in there. He only had a hundred. That ain't
uh theesus? I imagine they playing these kind of games.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
They greeted. They won't all.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
They trying to squeeze it all out of you. And
guess what, the police won't even tell on each other.
So if the police partner smack you in the face
and hit you with his baton, he ain't gonna tell
on his partner, but he a deal with you telling
on yours.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Pay attention to some more.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
What old fatherfuck ticket? I'm trying to figure out, Like
I wasn't speeding. You can have to gud and say
you were going seventy.

Speaker 6 (52:45):
Miles eighty five right here?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
What's up?

Speaker 5 (52:47):
Nah man?

Speaker 3 (52:48):
That's it now?

Speaker 5 (52:48):
I was you know what I'm saying, Like it's always
been there. Like I don't understand why people like even
I tell even when Jay was right there, I tell her,
please like read the whole thing, like don't just read
one page you telling me, okay, I went and here
on page that you said, I went in this motherfuck
and information was given right on June sixth of twenty eighteen,
which was seven years ago. Right now, read the risk now,

(53:12):
I just want to worry about it. We're trying to
read about page that.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Now.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
I read the whole mother because we all know some
things can start bad as well.

Speaker 6 (53:23):
I read this last part too.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
It says through my training experience, through my training experience
and education, I've become familiar with the manner in which
members of criminal enterprises communicate to use trickery schemes.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
To downplay their roles in crimes.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Mister Davis refused to answer questions on or about April seventeenth,
twenty eighteen, after being found in the cargo bay of
the airplane with the product marijuana on board. So once
again they're basically saying that even when they caught you
with it, it's right, it's surrounding you. You you refuse

(54:02):
to give any information about it. I mean it gotta
bother you that that it tastes this for motherfucker. And
remember you allowed saying I'm gonna pull up on you.
I want you y'all to do some reading. And it
don't sound like a lot of people were down to
do reading.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
No, mam. I would tell them, let's go to the courthouse, like,
we can go out here and get my PSI, my
transcripts from my sentence in transcripts. I was telling them,
we can go get my I got some motion in
here called it's called statement of reasons. It's show you
whether you got a five K one or whatnot. And
I was telling them like, let's go to the courthouse.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
We can go out here.

Speaker 5 (54:38):
And we can get the same documentation printed. Although all
this documentation will see it in our discovery, of course,
but I'm like, okay, yeah, let's go to this courthouse
and see this. And I even told youay, like Jay,
why the hell was just read page eight, Like, let's
read all the pages.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
I've never seen somebody see.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Here's where we can, here's where we can feel like
we're trying to be decepted, because again, academics, you know,
I'm not sure. Maybe he doesn't have the intellectual wherewithal
to keep up with the conversation, right, but for someone's
paperwork to have a five K one, it just means
the prosecution has filed a formal request, formal being the

(55:20):
operative word. That does not mean you didn't give information.
That means they didn't do their part if there was
an agreement. Sometimes you give information for nothing. Sometimes they
give information in the heat of the moment. There's Nigga
snitched in on crime scenes and things like that, right,
and so the five K one again is a formal request.

(55:42):
This usually happens before centizen. The rule thirty five is
happens when you're locked up. That's when you go tell.
That's what Terrence Gangster William were doing the Rule thirty five.
He was going to tell why he was locked up, Like, hey,
he goes some information and he explained that third party
cooperate relationship. But for Ralaouh giving information and granting the

(56:06):
five K one, there's a long there's a lot of
room in between that. And again, I think the reason
Jay was focused on that page when Brian still said,
if we let this out in the community, it's because
people that she know from that community, probably.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
High profile rap Nigga.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Has probably been telling her man this sentence right here
is what got me.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Anything else. He's trying to run a play fun.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
But when Brian still come out and say, Yo, if
the rapnigga find out what he said, this ain't gonna Basically,
this is.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
What Brian's still saying.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
If the rappers find out in this community what Raloh
has said to y'all, it wouldn't do well for his
career or his safety.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
This is what Brian still said in the paperwork.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
So I want to give some grace to Jay with
her trying to figure that part out, because if you
ask me, some real nigga probably came to her about
that part and they're really probably trying to get to
the bottom of Yo, what's going on with this though?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Did you say anything about the rap man? We done
saw stranger things. Man, let's keep it a hunter again.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I ain't sol rollow paperwork again. If you tried to
run a move, that's where you make a mistake, y'all.
Let I'm trying to make it, juice it for him
and do it. That's the mistake. That was the mistake.
I also want to lay some ground rules for people
who don't understand sometimes you're gonna have to talk to
the police, like if a murder for shooting happened on
my property, or I shoot a nigga. Sometimes we got

(57:38):
to have a conversation with the police. Like some of
y'all understanding on what's happening in real life is so
far from reality.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
It's astonishing to me.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
The shit started to be appalling to me, Like I'm
flabbergas and I'm tooking back like I'm clutching my pearls
when I think about it, Like y'all be that space
out and burnt out. Y'all ain't really understanding. But I'm
gonna give you a thousand grands a game.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Pay attention. Let's listen to a little.

Speaker 6 (58:04):
More, bring the whole discovery. Like I felt like you
went above and beyond.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
But but but let's talk about you know the subsequent you know,
you going to jail. How did that case play outs?
Did you take it the trialogy you take a plea?
What were you looking at? What was the mindset of
even doing that? I mean, because your call red handed?
Too right, call red handed?

Speaker 5 (58:25):
So actually when I wanted that profit, my lawyer ended
up being determined to be a conflict of interest because
they saying the forms that I was it and KINDI
was chised him and his name this man me, So
they already knew that, these fums, but I couldn't prove
beyond reason of doubt that they knew. But if in
fact that they did know, and they walked me into

(58:47):
a palys noo yeh all on one of them too
and shoot you know again when it comes to especially
the media, And then this is why I think you've
learned the power of speaking for yourself. Where because if
one person saying Rollo did a and you don't say nothing,
the people gonna look at him be like he said,

(59:07):
Rod they do that shit. And I think that also,
like it's almost like anas and death, bro, like I said,
like he fine for his life and he no hanging
did shit like I was, I'm fine for my life.
I'm fine for my reputation. I think that that's the
worst shit you can be called. It smell me so
like you put me in a lineup with that really told,
I might see my name there, nigga really told. Like

(59:29):
dudes that are saying they incocerated for these individuals and
I just didn't never know that it was a crime
against the cold. A lot of fiends like I just didn't.
I really I still don't get that. But what that
man said, If y'all got these type of rules in
the game, I just don't want to be a part
of it, smeam me, if I can't god damn pay
a nigga take a charge, or I can't lie to

(59:50):
the mother police, or I can't buy my way, like
I don't want to be a part of the ship.
Like what the hell kind of got y'all? And I won?
You know, I won on an utsmal level problem thirty million,
not a dope game. How the hell could a scrap
punker peon tell me how to play the game and
they ain't even want on the game.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Majority of things in life is better to be liked
than to be right, because people pick and choose. If
they like you, even if you do wrong, they make
it right. When they don't like you, you could do right,
it's gonna be wrong, exactly. And I heard either you
basically just basically saying, yo, your niggas do pick and choose.

(01:00:32):
Because you know, there was an outrage. I feel like
they were they were ready to come with with the
tiki torches for you, like, nah, let's get this, let's
get his reputation and everything with him to put him
as that, and then when you debunked a lot of stuff,
I didn't hear too many apologies. I heard quietness right
And even now with this current situation, which I think

(01:00:54):
everyone's talking about this big meat stuff, which I mean,
I still don't even know exactly what's the facts is,
but it felt like people are more they're more understanding
or the sea they'll speak out less against him. With you,
it was more like it was whatever y'all said that
he probably did that shit. Man, this that makes you

(01:01:14):
feel a way because because I.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
Just feel like you're picking and choosing like if he
of course he got an allegation on him, I don't
you know, everybody in the world keep saying I'm going
against my mom sleep this. And my only thing was
I seen some of my real friends on that flight.
I seen some of my one friends and I ain't
no no hang ship like that. But if you're gonna
do the ship, then me do it to him. Did

(01:01:40):
you did you see any of your real friends really
switch up on you?

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Though?

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
Hell yeah, you don't see me like that. You don't
see that ship like broad like we used to be,
you small me like they love me like I ain't
gonna take it from him, like I'm school to that.
My dog. I love him to death, that's my whole heart.
But nigga, don't love me privately, love me public, smell me,
and I get to say and shit, oh you start

(01:02:03):
speaking on a nigga. Nah, hell Na, I seen the
name on the flyer? Why is your name on n that?
If you don't fuck with so called right, you smell
me that that ship hurts you in the sense of
damn life.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
If it was anybody's supposed to get the benefit of
the doubt, if you want clear, it was supposed to
be me, not not somebody else.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
I ain't even I can't even say that because the
honorward dude on for the two doug what he did,
I really was like here, yeah for the two dogs saying, nigga,
y'all gotta show me what meat sold. Y'all gotta show
me the nigga he told on right now, show me
the paperwork. That's what I want my nigga to do. Yeah,

(01:02:44):
while School ain't saying, hey, come here, show me the
niggas and Jeff forlo smell me like why like or
you nigga gotta do in the front of the whole world.
If you're not an Internet niggas.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Come to me and be like again, let me give
Ralo the other side to that number one. Let me
address the fact of forty two Doug and Big Meats.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
I think that scenario is a bit different.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
When he said show me Big Meats name in paperwork, Rauloh,
I think you got a mistaken when they showing you
your name in paperwork. Your defense is Yo, my name
in paperwork. But Nigga I went in there and not
just made it juice.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
It for him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
So what you asking them to do, they really don't done.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
So now what you asking for is for Nick that
you know and fuck with to give you the benefit
of the doctor. Know yeah, Rollo probably didn't go in
there and give them nothing. I'm giving you the logic
of young school or probably Nigga like that. Just so
Ralloh cannounce this and maybe this can clarify some things.
So your homies maybe fuck with you or you can
clarify your position. The question now becomes if you're taking

(01:03:51):
the approach that forty two Doug took, which is I
need to see Meat's name in paperwork, all right, jading
them had a piece of paper that your name was
in paperwork. Now you're asking for the benefit of the
doubt from people that you know, like you know my body,
you know how I'm cut.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
I ain't get him no information.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
So the new question from the people that know you
on that level could be, well, if that's the case,
why would Brian still ask for them to seal it?
And if it came out, it'll hurt your rap credibility
and your safety. That's the scenario that you're in that
you boxing your way out of, and so you're gonna
have to move around for a minute with that shit

(01:04:31):
and trying to explain like what's going on. That's number one.
Number two, I can feel rollo pain.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Just pitch it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
If you did go in there and you really didn't
say nothing, you really didn't get them folks no information.
You made a mistake going in there. But I really
didn't tell them folks nothing. I went it done all
that time. I didn't tell them folks nothing. I know
that shit'll be heavy on a nigga. All a nigga
are to be broke. But bruh, you cannot force nigga

(01:05:03):
to be your home boy, you don't know them nigga.
If you been gone six seven years, them nigga might
have cut off weigh more powerful nickga than you for
shit like that. You might have quit talking to they cousin,
they daddy, they uncle, they little brother about some shit
like that in real be you don't know what scenario
niggas in about shit like that. And you just saying
forgetting me in the public. Forgive me, yo, bro, hold

(01:05:26):
on like you doing too much like a nigga love you.
You've done what you've done, but a nigga trying to
be on all of that. Bro, You can't force no
nigs to be your home boy. This is what I
be saying. A lot of niggas looking desperate. That's why
they like Big Me showing up in a Casho T
shirt Like you ain't got no business even if you're

(01:05:47):
gonna be with Ross, get some little paper from Ross,
put him on the fly. You shouldn't have had to
put on no Casho T shirt and take no picture.
Rollo don't got no business. Ed time I look around, man,
my friends ain't fucking man. My friends ain't doing it.
That be making me reconsider some of these interviews how
I be talking. Man, y'all never look like I'm wound

(01:06:10):
it over here. We're doing good over here. We're gonna
talk about wins ill. Let old man, they ain't my friend.
They ain't fucking with me. Man, you can't make nigga
talk with you, homie. They not giving nigga benefit of
the doubt. Brian Still might have us snook it allegedly
because I fucked with Brian Steele And I'm only fucking

(01:06:31):
podcast laying.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I love you Brian still. But if Brian still was
me and I knew what happened, I'll be telling people
I'm close with.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
You don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
You don't know if the information might have got out
from other people who are You don't know what going on,
what people might know. But all I know is, at
the end of the day, Rollo gotta face the reality
that nigga love him, Nigga speak him, nig think he
was a mean hustler.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
But at the end of the day, he.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Gonna have to clear his face like he gonna have
to keep pushing to try to clear up and get
that benefit of a doubt from the people. Don't get
that away nowadays, Bro, It's too much sucker shit going on.
They don't get a benefit of the doubt away nowadays,
you dig what I'm saying. If it looked like a
duck and quack like a duck, I don't even got
to hear it sound like a duck. You hear me,
I don't get a benefit of a doubt. I watch

(01:07:23):
how you treat Yeah, I see what's going on. I'm right,
And unfortunately for people, they gotta deal with me being
that aggressive and cutting such a hard line because.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Life too short.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Life too short to get an entanglements where you don't
really know people's parameters and boundaries and you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Know where to take it or where a nigga took it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Say, I'd rather stay on my own platform on dealing
with my own portfolio. You dig what I'm saying, building
my own playground, That's where I'd.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Rather stand at.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
But Rollo has to face harsh reality that they are
dealing with your name in paperwork. You're asking for the
benefit of the doubt, which is different from what forty
two Doug is doing. Forty two Doug is saying, show
me his name and some paperwork. If they came in
there and said big meach name is in paperwork. He
gave this, so he done this if it's in there,

(01:08:17):
And then the lawyer came out and said, Yo, we
need to suppress this document because if this document gets out,
it's gonna hurt Big Meatch's career in his TV series
forty two.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Doug and them look at that different. So for people
that love you, know you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
And respect you in Atlanta, you gotta get him the
benefit of the doubt. And you gotta know that you
asking them to give you the benefit of the doubt,
you ain't just saying, look at the paperwork, because if
they look at the paperwork, it look funny, not just
your one page, or not just the one page Jade had.
If they look at the paperwork, it looked funny. Bro,

(01:08:56):
I give Rolod the benefit of the doubt. No direct
arrest came from it, so we gotta make sure that
that's on the We gotta make sure to put that
on the record. No direct or rest came from it.
That don't mean no information came from it. Those of
you in the streets know how this work. Academics don't
know because that academics is a streamer, so he wouldn't

(01:09:18):
know but giving the police information that lead to a
director rest, especially in a high profile case that's dealing
with a bunch of kiloads or a bunch of Come on, man,
it don't even work like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
They be need names. Who's the guy in the black
carr and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
That's Tony Man, y'all gonna let me out. That's little Tony.
That's Loan Loan being the red COmON. You know, it's
little things that connect the dots for them. Just pay attention.
And again, I want to be clear with this. Loan
ain't calling roll on, no Red, I ain't saw his paperwork.
I'm telling him based on what he's saying, he gotta
understand the circumstances. He in my name, gonna check out

(01:09:55):
clean on every circumstance.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
Stamp that I heard this. Now tell me what's your part?
Like what's going on? And then another thing like you
gotta think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
They want to.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
Know who this person is that's punt is played together?
You want me to say this shit in the front
of the whole world. Then are Nick really gonna be
in jail for me? Then you smell me? So you
really want me to snitch? You smell you want me
to snitch on the niggas helping niggs working they move.
I get what you could do, academics of Jade to anybody.
You ain't gotta do it on an interview. You can
just tell me, aytt, people of the US not move.

(01:10:29):
We can go to the side and I can talk
to you like this the man, and we can call
them and we can get some communication like Okay, this
is the people, this is what's going on. But don't
ask me from the world who this page eight us
about what You can come talk to me and I'll
show you. We can call them and we can hand
the bend. Well, I'm not finna put that business out
there to the whole fuck.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Earl, I said Scooter coming under a post, And I
think you basically was saying, like, you know, I haven't
heard you say like that's not my homie no more.
But but but you clearly letting people know you know,
I do feel a way about it, but I do
want to resolve it. And and I do like the
fact that you vocalize that you feel a way about it,

(01:11:09):
because I'm gonna be honest with you. A lot of times,
the accusation is way louder than when people have to
come back and be like, no, your niggas had it wrong.
So you know, even when you and Boosy had that
little back and forth, I'm like, I can't really blame
you because this is how if I'm someone new to
the situation. Now I'm knowing, oh yeah, it was lying
on him because before we only heard the accusation.

Speaker 6 (01:11:31):
We're just to stand.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
With with even Scooter now and even like say Boosy
because Boosy, I don't know, Boosy was in a tough
spot because he's a guy who's been really anti people
don't and I don't know if it was because he
was caught up.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Sometimes he's on flat a lot and they asked him
the direct question, and I think a lot of times
he's looking like he can't be in the middle of
a situation or he can't say I don't know, so
he might say something that then later, you know, people
use his voice very heavily.

Speaker 6 (01:12:00):
What's the situation with both those guys?

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
I think, you know, I pulled up on Bootsai and
we resolved that you smelled me like I couldn't just
keep doing all that internet shit, so I had to
pull up on him and we resolved it. I showed
him what's going on, and you know what I'm saying,
he kind of got to understanding from from what I
seen in front of me or whatnot and your school
to himself, like I ain't really want to push up

(01:12:23):
on school to own those ship like that, because like
I said on the blog, like if we got a
problemst fight us some shit like that. And they saying
Robod trying to fight school. That ain't what the fucker said.
Like usually bros be able to work shot out. You
smell me like you ain't even gave it the benefit
of the doctor. You ain't even pulled up and pulled
my coattail, Like before you go to the world or

(01:12:44):
go to any nick in a business for your man,
come talk to me, smell me. And so I really
never know what he's staying that with it, But you know,
I was.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
More, are you down to do maybe the same thing
that you do?

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Bos?

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
I think they listen, let me, let's let me pull that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
Boots was a lot more toxic.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
Yeah, that was seeming like he was going extra like
the third person getting between that or third they told
me where he was at and we pulled up.

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
It looked kind of crazy at the beginning, but you
know we was able to sit down like men. You
smell me and I ain't. I wasn't ever coming on
though I'm trying to, you know, bully boots off, pull
him like hell. No, I never would say shot up
as niggah like that. You know what I'm saying. I
probably did say that a couple of times. But however,

(01:13:33):
that ain't what I'm saying like I'm trying to ship
on the man. I'm just saying like I pulled up
on him in a way that I want to pull
it up on my Mansme me.

Speaker 6 (01:13:43):
Yeah, you don't know what he could have been.

Speaker 5 (01:13:44):
Yeah, he could have.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
We could have been a whole lot you would have been.
I was talking crazy. I'm glad that got so. He
didn't really catch their academics then. But let me speak
to that. I think whatever percentage of the people that's
still on thow side is because he fighting for name. Right,
There's there's something to be said about a nigga's trying

(01:14:06):
to fight for their name to make you at least
be like, damn, but that nigga ain for his fucking name,
like you know what I'm saying, like it make you,
it make you view it, It make you just watch
him and look at it. But again, you know, he
pull up on boost probably strong with a couple of
niggas like whatever this goal we go man, But dude,

(01:14:27):
coment read a hundred times like we gotta figure this out.
Boosty hadn't publicly straightened that. He publicly straightened the t
I think so, I think what people are. I think
the disconnect with Rollo is what I spoke to a
few minutes ago, is that he needs for the people
he want to work with and he love, and the

(01:14:47):
boostes and scooters and all of them niggas, he needed
for them to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
That he went in that room and he didn't say nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
But if they've been in the streets long enough, they're
probably dealing with some results. What dudes done gave him
information that did not lead to a direct arrest, but
it was enough information that had him in the area
where another bus could have happened, or something may have
took place. You may have told him the route. You
made them told them that yo, they putting it in
the tie. You ain't tell them who putting it in
a tie?

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
What car?

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
They just know when you get a car and pull
it over, now look in the tie. These are kind
of scenarios where people can give information and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Not be necessarily in paperwork as a snitch.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Again, understand that someone in the situation that Ralloh is
in you get a five K one. Again, the five
K one is a formal request, so of course a
RESK gotta be made for them to say he gave
us information that helped lead to the rest of.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Such and such.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
But when someone is under investigation, you don't have to
necessarily give them something that leads to an the rest
to add to the investigation. And I think for Raloh,
maybe he doesn't understand that people's mindset's living there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Yeah, that's why people are kind of like man hold.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
On because Brian still said something he kind of dog
whistled to us. Brian still a real nick kind of
dog whistled in that, Hey, the rap community as much
as he can say because clan pretty as much he
can give us. But he gave that little bit some
about the rap community cause he ain't have to say that,
you see what I'm saying, But he's some about the

(01:16:22):
rap community.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Oh whoa.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
People are going to have an adverse reaction to that.
I wish Roalal the best. He has to understand that
there's nowhere around it. That's what he's working through. Let's
see where he goes from him.

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