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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Did you ever miss Doug while he was on the
run without you? Slime went on a mean run Listen fool, Yeah,
miss miss is a mean word, though listen, miss is
a strong word.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Off off of Luchi. Luchi and Thug situation was unfortunate.
They had a run in and it kind of seemed
like you're run in with Luchi kind of caused you
not to be able to be as involved with Doug
as you may have wanted to be. But it coming
out under richka Kin exactly, so you don't even know
(00:37):
what it is, what's going on.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's hard to go and collect, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Do you think bird Man has some uh he was
apprehensive because of your legal situation with t Ig. I
don't got no ill finish against bird you know what
I'm saying, Like Bird's our opportunity. He can put this.
He and made some money on that's what he did.
(01:01):
You gotta respect Burden for that. But you know, me,
coming as an artist, I feel some type of way,
you know what I'm saying, that's something of a called
man Bird. You know he ain't had a bid like
he suposed had a business when it came out to
the rich game situation, about the your gouid Is of
the world, the y J's of the world, the Jesus
of the world, those that you stepped next to in
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their time when they kind of needed a push or
maybe needed that record that appealed to that undeserved audience.
Of course, I can see your ego, bro, Yeah, like
I can see you saying, Man, I don't want to say,
I don't want to say I need to really come
over here with this shit. But you missing the point exactly.
(01:43):
You was in a situation when you was that to
be able to hand that audience to a handing that
look toward next And I'm from Tennessee and got respect
and love for got it.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But my job is to have a real conversation. So
I'm asking.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You, do you you feel like God it should put
you in a situation to either he help you, not
that you need it. Let's clear the smoke ain't no
understand miss. He don't need to help be rich as
a motherfucker and gonna create without it. But I want
to know in your heart or hearts, do you say, man,
(02:18):
I gave duel them, my leigga, I gave dueling them uh.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I know you know what I'm saying. How they feel
to you?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Bro? Now, I just want to move me to death exactly,
my man, Lord loans old loan. Okay, okay is up
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Let's get back to the show we oftentimes in this game.
(03:33):
You know, I speak to a lot of people. I
got the whole game right now, man. I go from
athletes to rappers to entertainers, the lawyers, the doctors, entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs,
dope sellers, dope dealers is to beat life?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Is that God life? I go all the way down
in there, and I go all the way up to
the top. So in this game, it's rare to see this.
What we're doing today is we're sitting down with another legend.
We got rich homy Kahn. What's going on?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Man?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
To do what it do?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Man?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Is love is love?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Man?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
What you've been up to? Oh?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Man working, staying out of the way, but at the
same time, Man trying to stay productive and jump back
in this music shit, man, one hundred percent all feet Man,
staying on my ten toes, keeping my relationship and just
coming in with a different mind. Fame, Bro, you know
for sure did you on your time off? First, let's
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talk about what even made you take the timeline? What started?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
What started you relaxing with the music or started me
relaxing with the music?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Was at that time, Bro, I was going through a
litigation with my form of my former label, TIG, so
technically I couldn't drop no music for like two years.
But in that process, this cloud came in my head.
I ain't want to drop no music if I could
you know what I'm saying right? So with that, I
mean because I tell you what, I think you was
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running the game right. Sure what happened was when I
look at it, I see shout dropped that. What was
that song back in the day that motherfucker went stupid?
Ye that had no Yeah, yeah, that was part of
the ingredients. Yeah, Ortlanta run the sound for show for
show for show. So we don't even got to keep
specifying Atlanta, right because the style that come from Atlanta
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is the style that everybody adopted.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You feel me now here?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
The thing I think when he dropped that keisha, he
couldn't carry it, though his next one is the next couple. See,
it's almost like I look at this game like a
caring furniture. So right, he got it. He's struggling with it,
but we know, damn he slick got it up. Yeah,
you come with some help. He'll Thug, come with some help,
He'll Pluto, come with some help. Theriz de Shaun, come
(05:45):
with some help. You right in regards to that, But
you was early on and I think your song did
a whole lot with type of way the impact of that.
Let's live there for a second, were you were you
alive in that moment?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Type of wait, man, I kind of remember it like
it was yesterday. I did it at a cunt studio
in Atlanta. I ended up getting a beat from my
buddy South Carolina man named Carter X. Let me fix them. Yeah,
So back to type of way man, or like type
ofway being my first song man did it at a
cunt studio. And when I did it, bro to be honest,
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I didn't know type of way. What was what it
was gonna be? I had no idea it was a hit.
I couldn't identify a hit from a good song. I
only went in the studio a good song, like I
don't go in the studio to make hit. So I
just thought it was a good song man.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Now that's important.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Let's hold on because it's a difference between the hit
and a good song. And then it's a it's a
motherfucking attribute to be able to identify that. Yes, yes,
So when you deal with the hit song from your perspective,
what was a good song?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
What did that mean to you? Just a song people
jaming too? Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Not more so like a song people jamming too? More
so a song people can feel you know what I'm saying,
It's different where you can feel a song opposed to
hear a song. That's always my thing. I want you
to feel it, man. I wanted to be relatable. I
want you to feel like this song was made for you,
like you rapping or you talking. So it's like when
I get in there and made them songs, I like
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them to be a feeling in some type of way.
It was that little feeling. I felt it, and I
wanted the world to feel that.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
It did go crazy. Did you make enough money to
quit off that you can always? Of course yes, yes,
I made enough money to quit.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
But in my mind, like I was just getting started,
like I hadn't even scratched the surface yet. You know
what I'm saying, You got to think music It's something
I love to do, right, Like, ain't too many things
I'm good at. Man, you know what I'm saying, music,
want them? Man. I wasn't like after me feeling it,
feeling that little bit of success or feeling that success,
you know what I mean? That did some of my
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brain in my mind, I had to write new goals
down because at first man, being coming out of Atlanta,
I was going out started two eighty five for sure.
If in me and that's all I had saw, that's
all I knew. Right, The music just showed me a
whole different outlet. Well, some type of way showed me
a whole different outlet. Do you think that because your
vision didn't go past two eighty five that may be wide,
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you didn't identify the song to be worldwide.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I would definitely agree to that.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I didn't identify the song to go worldwide because like
I was just making song for my homie. I was
just making songs for my family, like for my brother,
like stuff. I always make the music or stuff I
want to hear, Like despite how vulnerable I may get
in the song, it's what I want to hear, right,
and we powerful, So we got to know that us
in our raws form its value. Yeah for sure, for sure.
(08:47):
So even when you say that, like yo, I just
want them to feel it. And it's for my brother,
my cousin, these people, I want them to understand it
like that's us in our raw as form and it's
value in that. Yeah, I know you identify that because
you're a businessman, but with type of way in your
hand and the reason why I'm living right there, bro
is because like me right now with podcasting, I'm turning
(09:11):
out and turned a million down. I turned a couple
of deals down where it's like I'm asking myself when
to do the deal or when not to take the money.
So what you had took the money from t ig,
which it propelled you, but on the other side, it
slowed you down when you had to go to litigation.
(09:31):
So had you not took the money because type of
way was type of way without influence. So had you
not took the money and not took that layoff, what
would rich Homi Kuoran be it we rich On Quoran
b man? Like do you ever think about that?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Man? Of course, of course, Like I used to have
sleepless nights like like why me, Like now what I do? Man?
I thought I was on everything by the books, right,
you know what I'm saying. Of course, you know what
I'm saying. I had those conversations, man, you know what
I mean. I think the biggest thing was just going
from like one hundred thousand dollars a show, bro to nothing,
not having no should for like three months. That man,
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like imagine that due to your mind, right, even if
you still got a bank roll. Yeah, for sure, you
can still have six million in the cup. But down
they don't just cut me off. Damn. So then like
the point like when my shouls like my shoulds so down,
that's what made me like put my antennas on, like well,
like damn, what the hell my radio money this, I'm
wanting to get more into it my business. It wasn't
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never too late because at the time, like I always had,
like I think a lot of times man, with these
labels in these exects due when it's time to go
to court, they try to drag you out. Man, can
they know you spending money and nigga don't have enough
money to fight the little So at that time, you
know you'll just take whatever right right.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Extra at that point of your brain, now it ain't extra.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
You old that come on and like me man, like
I always had some paper put up, I'm always gonna
like I want to stop today. Man, I could do
that and live comfortably, that's good. But I just like,
well I come from man. We won't give up from nothing.
And we start when we were ready to start and
stopping and tell us now hard to start right when
you but but when you went from one hundred thousand
dollars a show to zero?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
What was the feelings?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Though? The feelings were more like because at the same time,
like one hundred thousand dollars a show man, I had
only got that one time, Like we had got up
to some sixties and seventies even some like some eighties.
But you was constant though, yeah whatever the numbers were. Yeah,
like there was a consistent number, right, you know what
I mean? So that was that was cool. But it's
like when we hit that hundred and it's this like
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twenty fourteen, like doing hundreds then right in my mind,
I'm not knowing, like it's hard to make a hundred
thousand and the club back then, I'm just thinking that
one hundred thousand things or if somebody one person paid
me that everybody should be.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Paying me that and me not knowing, like no knowing
the game. Man.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I was a student then. I was a student in
it was a lot of shit. I was still learning.
I didn't know was you arrogant though?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
When it was popping? So I'll be I'll be allowed
to say one arrogant, you know what I mean? Like
my people tell you, like because.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
You went up though you went big and it was
it was a fast yeah, man, we gotta be careful
when we get that money and that thing.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
But show that.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
But at the same time, that's why I credit my team,
like for me having my family around niggas. Let me
know I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Tripping, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Me not looking at it like I ain't tripping, like
I had to look at that man in the mirror, Like,
but you can't blame this on nobody with yourself, right,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
We just happen to have that talk with myself, like
you tripping, Yeah, because I.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Heard you say.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I heard you say that some of the producers went left. Yeah,
yeah for show that. And it's like, do you think
they got the argant version of Korn?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Do that? Do that play into that? I can't even
say that. No, So they just didn't keep it solid. Yeah,
they ain't keep it sould and they know that. You
know what I'm saying, I ain't even know that they
though they ain't keep us outing. They had nothing to
do with Coin as an individual because how much I'm
in tune with music, and I would have never brought
them up if I didn't feel like when't had no relationship.
I feel like we was sing that moment right right,
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so like you know what I mean, it is what
it is, But nah, you can't blame it on the
person I was then, Oh on my mind? Was I
was coherent when it came to making music exact a
lot of my relationships came from me missing radio or
me missing big shows for the radio and stuff of
that nature. You know that I just didn't get there, right,
you know what I mean? The money was it? I
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was talking about, you know, the radio like it's a
little lord because they showing love on the radio side,
so they saying, you got with this fuster with We're
gonna get it. But me not knowing that all I'm
thinking this is the hundred in my brain. Yeah, and
I knowing this business and the winning. Yeah, you know what,
did you think it ever stopped though? The money when
the ship go to popping? Don't know, think it's still
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season next. Come from what I came from, and at
that time, like I never even thought it would slow down,
not even getting no money for no show.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I never even thought.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Bro I was on the road five days a week,
with seven days being a total in the week man. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like for real, I was
on their home two days, right, and I'm two days
like a Monday or Tuesday, right, and I'm going from
Wednesday yeah yeah, and every week. And you know what,
it's almost like when a niggas when it is at
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home and he sit back and think through itself. I
was popping or I am popping like this. I just
don't see it slowing down. Feel me now, you don't
man like the money you getting, you're getting afforded.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Fifty every five days a week, man, five times five? Man?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
With that twenty five going crazy? Come on, man, like
think about it, that two fifty week going crazy. It's
two fifty month. So it's all like, who's gonna tell me?
Like even though I'm in the studio, like I knew,
I was feeling myself for the money or two happening
got to my head when I wouldn't even listen to
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a niggas. I wouldn't even let it tea my music.
I ain't want to hear why did you make two
fifty a week? How you gonna tell me? It's like, yeah,
get out here, yeah yeah you hate me? And yeah yeah,
I need. That's deep as deep, right as deep? Yeah
so so so I'm saying that's the point when you
look back at it, that's the point when you say
I was tripping.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I ain't even letting my people critique them.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You They can't even tell me down that line right there,
kind of off corn or nah, this ain't really this.
They can't tell me nothing. I was tripping, for sure. Yeah,
But when I look at it, I had to go
through that ship. I had to be that person at.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
That time shaping your character.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I had to because if I wouldn't know, bro, I
ain't I'd probably be a nigga. I wouldn't enjoy what
I'm doing, right, So, like I had to go through
the moments, you know, like I never even put my
in that type of situation no more. You know what
I'm saying, I've grown. I had to see that type
of meat in me to know that's not what I
want to be, if it. But experience is the best teacher.
And until you go through that, you can't tell how
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you'll react. You ain't never been nowhere, bro, You ain't
never right, ain't never been over me, right, And that's
the thing critical.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, it ain't never been up for me, right.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
That's why I had to call people in the game
that's already in cash checks, like, look, man, this when
do I what do I do with this?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Now here's what I think with the game, it's almost
like you. And it may be a few other examples
that consumers or the casual fans that look at and
say fell off at a certain point of time. Now
here's the thing. Your sound didn't change. So I want
to understand how did that feel knowing that? Nah, I'm
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still that as far as if I get in the
booth right now, I'm creating on the same level when
I was getting a hundred thousand dollars a show. So
how did that feel? Knowing that? The sound ain't why
I took a dive. It was the litigation and my
absence that played a big part, man, with the cloud
being over my head, bro cause in my mind, like
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I know, I can't drop, but I hear my sound,
and that the every song that I do here. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. You definitely got some ingredients
out there. Yeah, so that was called my mental you
know what I'm saying. But at the same time, like
that was part of the motivation where I had to
get back into you let us know what the source is,
to let just know who the source is.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I'm sorry to let know.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Like it's different when it comes from the source, like
it show you what's trying to be created. You know,
usually when it comes from the sources pure in all forms,
in all forms, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
If you had to do a versus today, who you
would do it versus against?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
If I had to do it versus they man, Like
even like when I tell my team, I try not
even talk about versus and this ain't no shade diverses.
But I just feel like versus are for washed up
and this ain't not because like or I ain't gonna
say washed up for you Tube had like fifteen years
or twenty years in the game, like to have a
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catalog catalog, Like you got to think all the work
I'll put in to do a versus only from last
ten years, right, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
I'm grateful for that ten years, But man, I talk
about a versus man probably like give me twenty years
in the game, bro, fifteen at that. Still I'm still
on the road, but we only got time to do
no versus, right, And you know what it is. It's
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like in media that's a slick way to ask you
who your competition And it ain't nothing like cause like, man,
we all we all fight or we all working to
get our bag and feed our family. But when that
time came, and I don't know, it has to be
somebody that came out around me, man, who probably got
like a similar rundown to what I got, so it'll
be fair. But like, man, I ain't u that no versus. Man,
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I ain't even trying to do no versus, like they
can't give you enough money to do one. No, not
no time soon man, because I'm still working on my crew.
Do you think versus kill your brand? Not kill your brand,
but make people view it like you you done now
or you kind of It's either that or you can
go about versus like Jadykids like gave me a whole
different perspective. His price definitely went up, right, but it's
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very rare. You see those, right, You see what I'm saying.
So it's almost like and I'm gonna say, Jadakin's been
in the game with twenty plus y so it's like
the people who've been on verses, bro, like you had
Teddy Riley on that ship.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
But that what I'm saying, it's like thirty years in
the game.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That's for sure. I'm still working, man, I'm still I'm
still peddling. Like when I started and chill then I
think about it versus right, Man, I ain't chilling. Man,
were in full thro bro. Right when you went to
court with T, I g the settlement? Was that enough
money to did you smile let it or did you
expect it? Was it more than you expected or under
what you expected? To be honest, man, it was fairly
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what I expected. It wasn't under it went over. It's
what I kind of Yeah, it's kind of what I
expected because it was like to the T we had,
you kind of had the numbers. I knew exactly what
it was gonna be. But like, was I excited, Nah?
I was more upset because I knew the relationship ain't
gonna never be what it was. And it's that gave
that changed my life, that helped change my life, bro.
So it was like, damn, man, I lose like a
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big brother than me, but you get the money. Yeah,
you know, what I'm saying, So it it'd be a bittersweet, man,
would you do that different? Or you need that money?
I definitely needed that money. But like like I always say, bro,
all my interviews like this, ain't this ain't like you're
getting me like we do a deal together. You're giving
me x all you looking at me. That's just what
I'm right, exactly exactly. It ain't like like I wouldn't
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do nothing different because I want the money that we
you know what I'm saying. We'll agreed upont We'll agreed
no to disperse, right, But if it could have played
out differently, of course I wish you would have played
out different man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And you know what I know.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
He went and got luchier when y'all were going through
our self and we the culture, the music business kind
of view lucha as your replacement or your kind of
your competition type of thing. Now what's crazy is is
that your relationship with Luci seem to be Okay, no, no,
that's that's my dog man. And you know, like just
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him being in that like it was just times I
was just you know, put them up on games like
did you feel a way though, Nah, Man, I couldn't
feel no way, man, you know you old money and
he goes sign or saying it it's kicking this and
you don't feel nothing. I didn't feel no way, and
it's just me being like, just me being realized. I
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didn't feel no way because at the end, cause like
I know, fly, I'm gonna get my money. Like no,
not the money. He like again, the people looking at
all Quorn is this? He did sound he giving us
this monotone vibe and then boom he looch it pop up.
Now it's different from Quorn, but it's the vibes, either
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of the Atlanta vibes. So it's almost like damn Win
got mild wings, but we got terryock. You see what
I'm saying Now, it depends on if you and with
wing right, So if you with that kind of style
and they present that in place of damn you understand,
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I'm listen, I'm telling you me for show and I'm
post to feeling type of way I'm supposed to. But
bro me man and knowing me, Man, I didn't, that's
just me.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You feel me. I didn't like you got.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
But the UK one in tell me you were arrogant
and then tell me the arrogant get a replacement ball in.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, the old honey list for this before this, before
I'm feeling like that. You got to think she was
coming around? Was it?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay? So sign you feel like when I was? But
he put the gas on him though, when when she
with you? Because he got a hustle. Respectfully, bro, he
got to keep. Yeah, I'm looking at this to be
the man. You don't got corn no more, you don't
got to the house. He got to keep. I got
to keep the lights on, and I got relationships I
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can kind of steal, Yeah, for sure. And I'm a
hustler and so I ain't saying Phil away because he's hustling.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
The game is the game.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
But but in Yo, but you say no, we got
to move past it, okay. So off off of Luchi
Luchen Thug situation was unfortunate, right, They had a run
in and it kind of seemed like you're run in
with Luchi. It kind of caused you not to be
able to be as involved with Thug as you may
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have wanted to be. Did you ever miss Thug while
he was on their run without you? Slime went on
a mean run. Listen fool Yeah, miss miss is a
mean word, though, listen, miss is a strong word.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I'd be lying to set because I was gonna try
to put a different way. But like I missed them
vibes in the youth, I can't lie and to not it.
I'm like the vibe like uncomparable, Like can't replay it,
can't you know what I'm saying, Like why always you
play it but can't relive them? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Bro, the sound? You know, it's crazy, y'all.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Whole situation crazy because I look at y'all and I
look at Boost and Webby, Right, you kind of went
before him kind of like Webb, it went before Boosting,
and it was like we still partners. We still lost,
but I kind of done one of these don't win
for sure, you know, and he you is on your
way and it's like somewhere swisched and I'm saying, damn,
(24:23):
why they can't But I know it's more than mest eye. Right,
It's good to hear you say that you missed them
them them times in the yo because creatively y'all was
smash and ship it was right, it was like it
was hard, like I can't put my finger on the man.
That shit was just it was a time to be alive.
(24:44):
Y'all didn't document none of this. Got none of this
cameras or none this really before like what social media is.
I'm talking about video camera, No big and Park was
on cameras, so niggas camera something.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Y'all.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
None of that. That was a doctor. That's so that's
a that's a twenty million dollar bag right there. Just
just from from that. Yeah, with involvement with bird Man,
you hear that all of this the most footage probably
get like behind the scenes on videos and shit, right,
I know Bird got that.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Sure, Bird got that.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
What you think about bird Man? What's your feelings of
bird Man? He a legend in mine? I want to
be clean on myself and you say what you want
because this platform is to speak their mind and we respectful,
but we real. Yeah, I don't got no ill finish
against bird you know what I'm saying. Like Bird saw
(25:35):
the opportunity he can put hisself in and made some
money and that's what he did.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You gotta respect bird for that.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
But you know, me coming there as as an artist,
I feel some type of way, you know what I'm
saying that song of a call man.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Bird.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You know he ain't had a being like he supposed
to hand the business when it came out to the
rich game situation. And I ain't never just said that,
but like birds, you know, he handle the situation.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
He supposed to handle it.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Man, what was it? Contracts much? It wasn't no contes,
it wasn't no promises. Man, you gotta just think like
prior to that, I met Birder through Thug. You know
what I'm saying This, Me and Thorg just being in
the Yo every day kicking it, you know what I'm saying. Uh,
they went from that to me being burned. I forget
the rich Carson on Bird tour bus. From the tour bus,
me and Thug is still in the Yo. Bird ran
(26:17):
out the dark Studio Dallas, Sauce and Studio three months
when that's just working probably into the three months Bird
and may come up there a month later, my nephew.
I love what y'all doing, you know what I'm saying.
I want y'all to, you know, put this shit together.
Y'all gotta put this out. I'm like, hell yeah, man,
it's put this out. Like I know my paperworking shit
(26:38):
is straight. I mean, I got great lawyers. You know
what I'm saying. It was just we didn't know how
the music was gonna come out. And with the music
coming out under Rich Game, I didn't own Rich Game,
or thought didn't own Rich Game.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
We were a solo arted bird owned it. That So
that the part I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I I'm saying, but where you were paying for those
sauce the only way we were paying this time screaming change. Yeah,
through publishing. I would have been paid. But I'm not
saying like I'm not saying because that's what I'm saying.
I was gonna get paid publishing.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Right, because you got your business right, get played somewhere.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
They gonna get that. But what I'm saying is when
it coming out under Rich Game and goes Rich Game exactly,
so you don't even know what it is, what's going on,
it's hard for me to go and collect.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
When you know what I'm saying. Do you think bird
Man had.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Some Uh, he was apprehensive because of your legal situation
with t ign This before the legal situation.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Where you wasn't even this wasn't even brought to me.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
T I g hadn't even hit the fand damn you
feel me.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
You know what I mean. C Ig hadn't hit the
fan yet. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
You know what I'm saying from me like I said,
my man, like that point, I'm probably in the game
back three four years now, so I'm not just as
knowledgeable as I am now. Sit I know liberty, like
knowing what I got. I got one of the best
lawyers I know. Like my publishing, shit's great. Longs to
get paid. I'm gonna be accounted for it. But it's
different when you upload my music. The chick goes you
(28:01):
and you have to disperse the check to me. You
see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Damn Yeah, did you so growing up? Did you look
at bird What was it like being around bird? Oh?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Man, I can't say no bad story. I don't got
nothing foul to say about bird Man. You know what
I'm saying. The person, his character tremendous, but the business
part of a little shaky.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
He said he took care of it, but it he'll
owe you no money, don owe me nothing. Yeah, because
he said he said he's straight. Now owe me nothing.
He hold me nothing. Man, I'm not told me nothing.
You don't got all your I got people in position
that's gonna go out there and get that to make
sure of my teas across in my eyes. And that
is so I just won't never put myself in that
type of situation anymore, you know what I'm saying, Or
(28:44):
letting somebody else upload my music type now on all
my months. So if anything, I'm gonna upload my own.
Sure don't got to go through that. And I give
you what you're rightfully old, right, that's it's a learning
listen to go through when you're young, when you get
older one, you know what I'm saying, it's just the
best teacher. Do you remember what it was like getting
on like before type of way? And do you remember
(29:06):
those days?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Hey? Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
You can't you can't forget them. I was smoking mid
shit in my car two for five, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, that's what was you upset like in that time?
Did you have to work hard at was the record?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
So? What did the record do so much? Did it
just switched to where you ain't do no whole bunch
of grinding, little bitty shows for this amount of money,
and things like that. No, man, I was so hungry, bro.
That was one thing I didn't know, Like, I was
so hungry before I got with a tig or anything. Man,
that's the only thing I just like, Remini this, it's
about that hunger in this. I ad then, like I
(29:47):
remember my first show I booked for my mama house
for eight hundred dollars in hotel rooms, bro, and it's
about nigga, twenty five of us in one hotel room.
I didn't know nothing about a router. It was so
fun to me, right, you know what I'm saying. I
just did that for my mama. How we in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Right, Well,
(30:07):
these it don't even know my first name. I'm like,
I'm finna go back home and learning show. And it
went from me booking that first show that weekend, I
had another show book the next weekend.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Somewhere around that same area.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
After that weekend, the g ain't been home the whole
week since that first week I booked myself, Damn and
far I got with TSG. Yeah, it was them shows
that made t ig like, Damn this nigga make he
making money. See the thing about now is they want
you to be making money for they, and that's that's
a business man for you, because it's being a business.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But it ain't the music business.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
It's usually the music business is if your music is
in a certain position, I'm all do the business. You
the music, I'm the business. That's the whole thing. But
now they done turned it all business. It's very little music.
That's why you're saying cannot change but not get the
same respect that it used to get is because it
(31:04):
ain't about the sound. It's more business wrapped around it
than it is music. You know what I'm saying. Now,
Getting on one time is hard, for sure. Getting back
on even harder the hardest. Do you feel that? Oh
not really, man, only because like it shit, probably more
(31:31):
fun now than it was the first time. Only because
I know the game so I'm able to play the
game like at first time, Bro, I had so many
feelings in this shit. Right for the one texting bad Bro,
I'm ready to go on Twitter and alu are this
was my man? Man, We got to talk about that
(31:51):
because I'm new to this game and it's a lot
of bullsh.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's a lot of bullsh. It's a lot of you know, broh,
you the truth you ain't posted TOI ever. You don't
want your fans to see this ship.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Like, bro, this is the thing man, with this social
media game and it's entertainment business we're in. Sometimes I
think the guys ahead of me get it confused. They're
leading the races, winning the race. I understand from behind
them that they can't with me, you understand. So I
understand that they understand that I'm behind them, but they can't.
(32:28):
So that's why you don't see the assist or the
handoffs or the looks. That's why I always got to
give it love the baby, because what baby just did
is put me in front of them there, y'all niggas
try to hide out. Y'all want to hide the truth.
We're gonna it's right here. Deal with it. And that's
(32:48):
what you looking to do. Put the same coin that
took over the world. Then ain't nothing changed. I'm want
to put that ship back in front them, folks. But
they go in front of you again.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You dealing with this.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
You got it in front of you, they know, but
you behind them, they can't with you. And they know, like,
don't put that light on that board, you know, like
with me knowing like the business now, with me knowing
now not to have no feelings in this shit because
me knowing it's a business, that's exactly what I'm treating
it like. And I'm having fun doing it because this
is still what I love to do, my nigga, you
(33:24):
love to do it alone, not alone, man, Like I
feel like, man, I should get my team up, praise
and I get on bro, because there'll be a whole
lot of days when they don't even feel like.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Being rich on me, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Right, But it's like, man, there's so much shit they do, like, uh,
they don't they don't get seen, bro, like they the
reason like I'm bigger than what I am, or the
reason I got my confidence back to why I got it?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
You know what I'm saying. Reminded me every day, like
why you that nigga?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Man? You know what I'm saying. And again even when
you again that sound you had, what about the Yo
Goddess of the world, the YG's of the world, at
the Jesus of the world, those that you stepped next
to in their time when they kind of needed a
push or maybe needed that record, that appealed to that
undeserved audience that they maybe couldn't tap in at that time.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Do you what would speak on them? Do they steal?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Because you need you really need a look from a
God that you really need. Gotdy to say, bag Homie
helped me when I was in the band. Get on
that thing with with with Homie, jump on that.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So like this is me being the one man like.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Me as a person, I don't look for that, but
me as me being on my business sitting there on
the game. Of course I can see your ego, bro,
like I can see you saying, Man, I don't want
to say, I don't want to say I need to
really come over here with this shit. But you missing
the point exactly. You was in a situation when you
(34:54):
was that neigg to be able to hand that audience
to a handing that look to a nigger. And I'm
from Tennessee and got respect and love for got it.
But my job is to have a real conversation. So
I'm asking you, do you feel like God it should
put you in a situation to either he help you,
(35:16):
not that you need it. Let's clear the smoke ain't
no understand missing, he don't need to help be rich
as a motherfucker and gonna create without it. But I
want to know in your heart or heart do you say, man,
I gave duelnim my leigga, I gave dueling them?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I know?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
You know what I'm saying, how they feel to you?
Bro it don't feel no way?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
And this little this is on telling you like got it,
got it and reached out like when I had that dark.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Cloud over my head.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
That's real, Like Cooran pull up to me, pull up
on me. You know what I'm saying, Like shit coin
get in there with bad like me being who I am.
You didn't I just didn't do it. I didn't want
to do My mental wasn't dead in you know what
I'm saying, Like my mind went. Where is it today?
You feel me? So even when when God to reached
out a year or two ago, Man got to try
(36:04):
to sign he wanted to put a play together like
this on the cloud on my head. So that's real.
I don't like got it? One of the real real ones, man,
the real ones who was still pulling up on me
at the house. And I'm saying from anybody from sEMG
Man always showed.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Up that's gangs.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I just wonder why I don't see you and maybe
intertwining what's up with defeats? I guess my question is
not necessarily ain't they God? I think I pinpointed God
it in Jesus because you helped them and relations with
Jesus though none at all. I can't say that man.
I can't, so it'd be different like and you would
(36:41):
think man with Jesus being from Atlanta, he would reach
out Jesus. Don't do that, you know, not that I
expect the nigga to, of course something. It ain't that,
you know what I'm saying, And like back to me
on my ego corn ship, I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I don't need none of them niggas.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I don't. I didn't pop with them, exactly like me
being in my brain somewhat, I ain't gonna need them.
They go around. If you want to come along, thank you.
I appreciate it what I did. They know what I did.
But if you don't, you know, if you don't want
to knowledge, that's cool. I ain't tripping. I'm gonna start
passion dumb as they got sound, even if it's a
(37:19):
version of it, it's your history. Yeah, yeah, this is
your history right, so like there's no I know, And
that's what that's the satisfaction I get.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Bro. You can't delete history.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So that's all the satisfaction if you want, whether they
acknowledge it, whether they reach out, you don't got to.
I know. I've been pure and number real to the
if Jesus reach out right now, say let's run that back.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Let get in.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
That's my thing is to get on these songs and
burn everything on the on the verse one or verse two.
You feel me like, I don't got no, ain't no
if fan feeling like he called me tomorrow, Hey, yeah, gee,
I they saw they I had to keep it real.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
But they get in tonight.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
They know I'm high level game. I'm high level game.
I'm putting game that ain't no disrespect. We figuring business outright,
and if you if you legga saying right, we gotta
tell the kids how to get it right.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
That's what this whole ship is about.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Ain't it wrong? Getting in?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah you too.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Now Here's where I find the problem at with with
with with your outlook on it respectfully, is that you
playing the our game like the street you understand.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Put it in the washing come out in the rents.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well, you playing our game, but you ain't playing technology game.
The reason I speak about features so much is because
now you're playing against the algorithm. So what happens is
when you get a song with a Jesus or you
get a song with a baby that affects YouTube and
away Apple Music in a way play, then in a
way it starts to connect ship. Oh rich home is
(39:03):
back with baby. He's back with you jeans and got
it bag? Oh pull him up.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
This is without them pulling you up. That's again why
what little Baby did was so important.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
It's because ourgorithm wise it put Loan next to little Baby.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
In Apple, in Spotify, and you too. Every where you
look Loan next to baby.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
So what I'm saying is, when you play the technology game,
you gotta say, damn. Features is important, not from a
creative standpoint, strictly from a business standpoint. And so I'm
asking you do with that information, do you reevaluate the
way you look at features?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I got to you know what I'm saying, The keyword
algorithm right, because that's what you're playing. I'm telling you,
bro k't none of us crack that. It's certain names
to stay on top of that market right now that
if they don't some kind of.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
So so if you could get you see, And that's
what I'm saying, and that's why they hope you play
yourself against yourself like that and sitting there coner like
man Steed call now you got enough money to do that?
Because I can always look in the bank and say,
man a nigga, broke man theeve nigga.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Man, I'm still up, man.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
But when I'm talking about this business, I gotta say,
all right, how I get my name next to X,
Y and Z in this algorithm?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
And so A got in a bag with got it
being a real one and being that was there next
to you. I know because of what.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
You said that he gonna be able to say.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Do that, do that for broke and y'all going up
and then bag is one of them names in the algorithm.
That's like it's up there. And so if you can right,
and that's this whole game. Bro You see what I'm saying.
This ain't about how we come up where it's like
now we y'all selling CD for sure, you know what
I'm saying. So I'm just trying to see you know,
(41:05):
because do you think features are even coming your way
like they should be by you being rich home? Uh,
they weren't coming my way, man, like how I thought
they would be coming, like like the mother fuckers like
you couldn't name them, Bro, was doing I got a
feature with a little Dickie. Bro, you know what I'm saying,
little dick You know what I'm saying. So it's like
(41:26):
I was just getting featured worse ass like you wouldn't
even think I never even thought I would hear my song,
hear myself on the song with like Austin Mahon.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Come on, man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Mariah care Bro, you were going crazy and like yeah,
so na like when I was going through my when
I was going through my me time, Nah, man, I
wouldn't no better reaching that.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Bro. What about now? Did they see you back outside? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
That's cool because again it's an algorithm play. It ain't personally.
You just said you playing business games, yeah, something, But
like now I know and it ain't no feelings, right,
but now I know if I'm doing something with somebody
on too exactly what I want doing the first time exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I'm pulling up with the songs.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
I'm pulling up with the big I was giving shot
but now that's definitely yeah. And what man, it only
do with me hop on my artist when you right
when you ran out with the you ran out for
type of way, went on tour, went on the role
like you say, you've been booked up forever in the day.
Then you latched on you and Thug lashed together. Yeah,
(42:33):
bird Man, did the game feel different as a group then? Like,
did you just did that? Did that because it just
feels like you had a ball of energy around y'all? Yeah, No,
we definitely had a ball of energy, man, And I
think I think the ball of energy just came like
collectively from me and thought.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Just recording every day in the studio, you.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Know what I mean, growing together every day you feel
me like I just like I said earlier, like we
was in the studio for three months, it was for
the second month I saw bird Man Man brothers in
the vibing. Somebody already created a chemistry. The first song
we do is get my Face the first time I
meet birded Man, Like, if you come back to the studio,
(43:13):
I'll go back to the studio and then hit Spaceball,
Get what song you play? Lifestyle Free Thug to Freak,
gun Street Album, Free Battery, Talking Gunner, Free, Free, Everybody
anybody charged the rico. Sure folks still got families to feed,
so for sure, for sure definitely did so. When with
(43:35):
that being said, when you left Thug, did it feel different?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
How did it feel then?
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Like? When? Because did that make people switch sides?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Peak size? Was it a weird energy in the game
after that?
Speaker 1 (43:47):
I ain't started feeling people picked sizes. I'd probably say
like a year after that, And I mean that's when
the producers came into place.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
It's all like, who was the producer's mode in tune?
Where you are the Uh? Most of the ones who
felt like they were probably in the middle. Can't be
in the middle? Well, y'all and grow up together. We didn't.
But now y'all could have met at the same time
if that's what you meant.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
I wouldn't even say we met at the same time, man,
because there was someone to prod on I want to
be around.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I was the one like, Okay, that's what you said, Okay, okay, okay, damn,
that's deep.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
That's for show. D you know who bad Bunny is, Yes,
the Mexican rapper or the Latino rapper.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, this is this is uh, he killing it. I'm
not sure he was kissing the man on TV. Wasn't
I would think that's extra activity. I was just trying
to make it was the same bad Bunny.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I believe so. I definitely believe so.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
But but but business wise, he's killing it, right.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
He's at the top of the list. And that's cool.
And I watch all business. I'm important to the game
because I watch all this. Here's why I get some
uncomfortable feelings that and I want to speak to you
about it by being someone that may have found himself
in this kind of situation with bad Bunnies selling out.
Like he just had a record selling music business number
(45:26):
in history. Yeah, and it was like one hundred ninety
eight million dollars in the more screen huh, not even
the most stream, but not even in the top ten
and the most he not. I think that's all tour money,
getting all his money off the tour fans. If he
ain't the most top ten, that's deep. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I know, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Drake Lebrown forgot that the list just came out like
top one hundred, damn. But even like he shouldn't even
be of a nomber of them names the numbers now
here's but here's here's the thing, right, So with him,
and I may talk to you about this, with him
making a hundred ninety eight million dollars last month and
off torn and all that merch whatever he got going on,
and he bullied his deal. If you see, I'm go
(46:07):
get the deal.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
That's only how I made it as far bro, I
kind of know it from the top to the bottom.
So you go get his deal.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
And see he bullying in people because he got so
much leverage, right, so he telling them what he'll take,
and I'm owning my master certain things.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
He got a crazy deal.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
But with him being in that position in our culture,
you think that we would look at that and say
clap form. But for some strange reason, I feel like
that our culture is waiting to take Drake's spot from him.
It's almost like they're happy to say, bad Bunny doing
better than Drake. He bigger than Drake. Bad Bunny, bigger
than Drake. Bad Bunny's fucking over Drake. He's streaming and
(46:48):
it's and I'm like, damn, Bro, they trying to It's
it's almost like they can't wait.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
To you fall.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I think that's I don't know what from I think
it's the niggas man like right FULU sposed to all
be You know that room for Drake right if he
won us? Bro, Drake, he's taking our sitting and doing
it like this. And what I'm saying for what I
(47:16):
just said that there's no reason Drake is the most
stream artists in the world. He don't have more fans
in his showing bad but he shouldn't do that. He
should have been there that months ago. That's the point
I'm making. But I be haters, Bro. You know what
I'm saying. For sure? You feel me like if together
like these women do at these shows, man, let's be
up through that. If the niggas together like these women
(47:38):
do when it comes to the shows, when it comes
to the merch, just a support in general.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I came in this game, bro, not knowing I'm telling
I was talking to Wallow yesterday and I always tell
pe at QC like, Yo, I came in this game thinking,
ain't nobody gonna help me. And so when you are
going to a job site and you're a construction worker,
you put every tool you need on your belt when
you ain't expect no help but to be there. You understand,
(48:10):
I packed every god thing I needed in my bag
on the way to the journey. Right far as information,
I'll let I got my hamm on my kneck. I
don't need to call now, motherfucker. Whatever pop up on
the journey, I'm ready. And I was telling them like
it surprised me man when like real or reaching out,
(48:30):
Hey bro, no, you ain't you heavy lifting? We I'm
talking about we got meet meal got Like I'm saying,
just on a media standpoint, it's so refreshing. Everybody's waiting
for something new in this media place, Like everybody gonna
shit you down to keep talking to you about biggie.
Shout out the biggie all r I p the biggie.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
But what's up with our media? Damn homemade? You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Every wedd gotta add this man about what about big
What about the same questions, the same questions I want
to talk to you about that You've been everywhere because
you activating and I need the young to understand that
there's a different hustle when you activating and when you popping,
when you sustain in your leverage, and when you're creating
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your leverage, no matter who famous, no matter who got money.
We talking about business wise, you understood that you put
your feet back on the ground, what you're going everywhere.
How do you feel about media? Bro?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
How does media feel to you?
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Uh? Nine times out of ten when I do media,
if you're it's choreographed, I said it right, Yeah, the
choreograph like the same questions, Like it's rarely like I
feel like it's an interview or podcast.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
You get the same questions.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
So it's that makes it feel like work, right opposed
to be doing like something I love, right, you know
what I'm saying. So what you're doing different, man, the
way you getting it out me. I appreciate that. So like,
I don't know, Brudes, it don't even feel like what
you're having to come over and that's what it's supposed
to be. Like I'm so much like us, like I
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represent us, and media is so disconnected because it's important
to understand something about media and they don't like me
because I come.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
In the game with my own money and the information.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Had I just had money, that wasn't enough, they'd have
laughed at me.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Had I showed up just with money. They take advantage
of us when we show.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Up just with money. I had to show up with information.
So I'm in the game and they put me in
a situation to notice. They just was the first people
doing this. They didn't they They ain't the people that
rich Homie really want to go sit with. They just
got the platform and I know access to the people
fucked this train man, all right, So with technology, right
(50:59):
it is they talk like me, like you, like baby
Pee thug Luchi whoever. We didn't have no mother for
YouTube accounting two thousand and seven. So these guys were
first to do this thing, right, And by the time
we catch up with them, we don't respect they perspective.
We respect they position. This is the difference with me.
(51:23):
It's a prospective thing, right, And so people that come
from where we come from and.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Got to deal with this level of attention, this level
of money, fame business. We try to sit down and
come up with the details of the specifics, you.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Know, because without that we're gonna keep going down the
same road.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Now with media, I know you said they asked you
the same questions, who would you say was your.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Favorite spot that you went to prior to Like.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
I'm gonna be honest, man, And he got a lot
of slab man.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Like man like how you do it? Oh? Man like, Man,
I'm big on just man like they say Vlad. You
know they put it blueprint. Now he don't know, And
I say what I want to say because I come
in the game. Sure, but they they kind of done
put out what he do.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
And it's interesting when you hear some of his tactics
of how he interviews and you said he was one
of the best places for you, Like I'm saying this
from like my experience, So that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
I'm saying this from my experience, man, like from you
know what I'm saying what I've been through, like for
to be in Star interview, come get me bro from
(52:37):
the first time, man, before I move at my mama house,
it's before some type of way like no matter where
I'm at, Blad don't want to interview me. And it's
his tactics be different too, So like for you gotta
just think for get on this telling himself.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
But he had to get you real comfortable or he
just got nuts.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Now he slick on the way he asked his question.
But he ain't slick. He ain't, but like he really
super direct the way it seemed like it's just normal.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, he answering something like that.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Twenty seventeen, you got into a ah says here a
robbery and shooting the night of November sixteenth.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
What happened that night? And it's like he asking you.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
He ain't saying nothing wrong, but he asking you about
the night you was shot on camera?
Speaker 2 (53:29):
On camera?
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Now, what can I say about that? That ain't putting
somebody in a situation. Yeah, you see what I'm saying,
and that's what they're saying. But now you asked you answered,
But because he asked me questions like that. But I
just know how to shoot him down right, Like my interview.
What made it comfortable though? What made it? What made
that one of the.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Best spots outside of him to me, outside of you
probably being paid him get just him getting me asking
me different questions like not making to feel like an interview.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Now he good though, Now you know without a slack
he get he he good at he keep good at interviewing,
Like I can't take that from him and the niggas
sit down there for over forty five minutes. Man, yeah
you gotta look like damn. But I really sat that
through with that dude, So you got to look at
him like from all the people he's had, like I
fuck were playing man, and it's like probably one of
my one of my biggest faces before I just got
(54:22):
before who I am?
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Who else do I like? Man? I like to but
be high?
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Be high? Be how cool? Shout out bere be hoigh
like different natural. Yeah he got that voice too. He
going strong with that, Like I feel like be I
should get a whole lot more praise than he gets. Man, Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like that's one I've done
like shout yeah, radio shout. Yeah, that's hard I know
(54:49):
about in this game, bro man whoever I say, it's
nothing on.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
There's a couple of them.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
It was only cool because I think I anticipated it
and I knew like I knew the platform he had,
So it's almost kind of like I went there wanting
to get spicy.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
I can't respect academics.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
I wouldn't say you wouldn't academics do y'all know academics
is take.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah online, Yeah I can't. How can I?
Speaker 1 (55:19):
I can't either, But like, like I just told you so,
it's different when like I never said, like as a person,
it's my buddy, right, you got this one of the
biggest platforms in hip hop.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
So I can't go here and not just that's facts.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
You got to give it.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah, yeah, but that's because y'all don't got a choice,
and now we're given the real ones a choice exactly so,
And it ain't no disrespect, but it's like, no, it
ain't no respect for you tagging the d A. I
can't respect.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
I can't. I can't.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
I can't. Anybody else in the world can respect that
loan can't.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
When it came out and see you, like I'm telling
I go in according this don't got.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Nothing to do with that, bro.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
People don't know DJ academics being imported into the country.
He not, he not.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
He didn't come up playing kickball, grill lous eating grilled cheese.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
You know. But this is what I can tell you.
Most of the people who do these podcasts, you probably few.
We just feel like, who's a nigga nigga right, Like
I ain't calling them like I don't want to say
the word or like, but you just can tell they're
not what we're from, right, well, struggled the way we struggle,
you know what I'm saying. I don't want to call
them like. I can tell when a nigga a nigga,
(56:25):
that's n I g a right right. And and them guys,
is they visitors and academics, especially for me, Bro, It's
it's in my opinion, very disrespectful to go police on it.
Who ain't done nothing to you, you understand. So I'm
doing spring cleaning in this game. Real real niggas somewhere
(56:45):
to go, somewhere they can talk, somewhere to get their
voice out.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
It's over with all that.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Ain't coming to the podcast trying to get indicted.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
I'm coming here. Like you got to think.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
I look at podcasts, Bro, ask them away of therapy exact,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like I'm telling
my therapy some ship and I have got indicted for
keeping it real.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
My therapy between me and you.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
That's deep, you know.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
So it's like it's gotta know, like, I come in
this motherfucker my head on track, not gonna say nohing
that's gonna put me in a bad situation. But I'm
also coming here to release, and I'm not. It's no
telling how you're gonna, you know, take the things that I.
Speaker 2 (57:23):
Say, right, I'm not. I'm coming here to be real,
to release. Man.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Something this is something only escape, right, you know what
I'm saying. They take advantage of that and they use
you for clicks and get you in there.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
They really don't know nothing though. Yeah, they don't know nothing.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
So they gotta do a little bullsh like that.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
That's how they got.
Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, they get more people's watching them. They don't know.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
I just pulled my heart out.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
I was.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, man, that's that's bad. Man. Like, so that's stup.
Do you did the.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
Women treat you different when when you so called fell off?
I got to keep it real, right girl. It ain't
never treated me no different, you know what I'm saying.
Because they know you're rich for sure, that for sure
for sure. But I ain't gonna just say like when
I when I did, like I don't want to say
(58:12):
fell out when I had to cloud over my head yeah,
you know what I'm saying. Sure, I can't tell if
I sure for sure, I had a cloud over my head,
Like no, man, I've always been ladies man. So it's
like I ain't never paid my way nowhere, I ain't
never paid for no pusson, not indirectly. Yeah, you know
(58:33):
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
I pay for some gas. Get kind of disrespectful how
they come when they were sometimes they done got.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Pimpished listen, But like I've never liked directly, just I
want to pay the fuck. I put some gas in
the car, take you out of heat, but nah, like
leaving some money on the dresser. That just ain't they
done got a little pimpish man? Like you know they're
really hit, Yeah, they really hit you, Like, hey, you
know it's twenty five hundred about that though you'd be like,
(59:02):
damn they come, Like even if I'm riching them all,
you can't just fade me like that. Though, you can't
just fade me with the five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
I'm showing up like I just feel fun and paying
for that when I got so much game.
Speaker 1 (59:15):
Listen, and like if you scream out the number before
before we even you know what I'm saying, get your
pains like it's over.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
You know what I'm saying, I ain't feeling you.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
It's the vibe I've been to a player, like yeah, way,
I was raised like I was raised broke and I
had so many girl when I was broke. So I
know with me having the money just added to it,
but add to my charisma, you know what I'm saying.
It's more like I'm mold player and I can really
be I can really be playing like this hot the
shit I used to pop. I really can be the
(59:43):
player and this show like I'm really him. So isn't
I just added to the monster the wall before the mining.
Now the women ain't never like just slow down with
me like I always had a check with I feel
like before the check, I've always had charism exactly able
to bringe. Just you know that that nigga about whatever
type of situation with a woman, and one of my
buddies can attest for this man right right right, And
(01:00:03):
you know I say man with them women, it's it's
like and it ain't even that you asked for me.
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I've experienced this.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Like people are come to you and then say something
about some money I'm like, Yo, what do you get?
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
What is come from? Like, I ain't even I'm hustling.
I ain't even known nothing right now?
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Bro? I mean, bro, I got I'm turning that ship down.
I'm bringing podcast group is in.
Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
In the mind.
Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
When you start getting the money, you start putting in
your brain like shit, I'm the catch. What's gonna be
different for me to like shit? I was probably more
and more on. I was more easy when I was broke, right,
But now, like I know I'm the catch. I'm mindful of,
like what you got going on? What am I getting
myself into? Because I know what I come with, right,
you know what I'm saying. So that's just one of
(01:00:51):
them situations. Go to the strip club. Still funk with
that for sure, but it's more of a like I
might just go on the scrip club. You know, I'm
from Atlanta, so I might just going to get something
to may not throw any money, but don't flirt my
ass off. Right, It's just me like I'm not going
to the strip club every time.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
You know, you know what I'm saying, throw no money.
I mean one of my.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Biggest pet Peeves, taped me on my shoulder. I know
what environment I came in. Yeah, you feel me like, yeah,
this ain't that. Yeah, they trying to work, they be respected,
but like yeah, what even in them situations? Man like
with me being who I am, I don't even want
to talk and I care with it when I'm not
right there, so I may just put it on the
(01:01:33):
table to leave me alone. I just came to get something,
you know what I'm saying. So just one of them,
like what's your best performance song?
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Like far as money wise, when you look at your check,
it just bring in the most. I got to say, Uh,
some type of way in flicks.
Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Some type of way go crazy, flex go cray, Yeah,
flicks go crazy. But like all I'm from walkthrough, I
just know what I see the most. Some type of
way be at the talk. But blah blah blah been
up there lately though.
Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
That's a bad motherfucker on TikTok blah blah blah. Wasn't
the crazy Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
With I know you spoke about you was in and
had a dog cloud over your head and you were
arrogant for a second. I remember a point in time
where you were on stage. Somebody grabbed you. You said,
with their young thugs. Yeah, what what was that about?
What did they come from?
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Man, what was that?
Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Go ahead?
Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Drunk and it's like, uh, end of our relationship, you
know what I'm saying, Like not looking for a moment.
Were you bigger than thrug at the time? Are y'all
were the same statue? I never even tried to compare
me in bro, but technically Bro probably at that time,
Like yeah, I probably bigger him at the time.
Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
And you don't think they played into nothing being a
bigger I can't.
Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
I can't tell the way he took it in his
mind because me, as an artist, I probably would have
took it to some type of some type of boy
as an artist, like oh, it's up, you know what
I'm saying, Like it's up?
Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Like me, man, I was drunk. I just said it
because it did look like it was in the crowd.
This ain't no bulls it like he would have did
look like it and then me drunk just saying it.
But me now, as I look bit like I would
have felt some type of boy, it would have been up.
Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
And that was my guy. That was my guy. We
just did some songs. I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
But this is how you knew this, how you had
to know it? Like it was some type of static
and I felt some type of way for me to
say that, like a drunken mind is gonna speak the truth.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
That's why.
Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
That's why people started to say, oh something must that.
That's that's a troubling paradigm, right, something's happening. Yeah, yeah, Man,
who you looking forward to working with now?
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Ain't about out there you want to work with? Uh see,
I gotta I want to work with a lot of
these new dudes. Man. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
From a little bit able to dirt, from dirt to
young boy, from young boy to Paulo g I don't got.
Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
No no, I ain't getting into nobody be I'm a
fan of good music.
Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
He's a niggas who screaming. I love them. I hope
uh I pray that my music has influenced them in some.
Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Type of way or motivated you or even you just
gave corner listen, man, what I would lord to work with?
Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
The dudes? I said, uh, and the list goes on
like it ain't just that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Oh shit, anybody got some motion and I ain't looking
to grab your emotion or you know, it ain't.
Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
That I'm a fan of good music. Man, I want
to get a fans the names.
Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
I keep seeing in my fucking right, you know what
I'm saying, Trying to get the people what they want
right right?
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Right? Do you tap in with the fans? How do
you tap in with the fans? Through comments?
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Through live?
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I may get on live here or out, but I
don't do comments.
Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
So I'm big. I hear somebody back in the DM
like I'm probb of one every seven, I may right
back one every seven. I'm live with it right back.
And some of them stories be touching me. Man, I
got a heart, I got kids, and uh, I just
know what what that would have did to my morale
or my spirit of one of my big excitis would
have wrote me back if we had a platform where
(01:04:56):
I could reach out at the time when I was
growing up.
Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
When do you quit?
Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Probably when I'm like forty two, forty three? Yeah, no,
No more than forty five, man, no more than forty five.
But I can't say, Man, you got jay z All,
jay z JA, fifty hip hop growing, Man, you can
You're gonna better still be to do it. I fact,
I'm not to cut you out good, Man, I ain't
gonna start doing these shows, and I can't walk no more.
Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
I ain't gonna start doing these I can't walk no more. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Yeah, I love the man. It's somebody being on that stage.
It's somebody touching the people, even on days when I
don't want to do it. It's gonna be a coming
I read. It's gonna be something I see scrolling on
the ground that reminds me why of who I am,
and why why I am this person, and why I
gotta continue to do what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Man, you know what, Man, anything else you want to say, Man,
we're gonna get out of here.
Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
I appreciate you stopping by. You know, it's the biggest
podcast in the world, you know, and you yeah, all right,
you got something different with this man. I won't say.
Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Man, I've done a million podcasts, never had one like
this this ro like, I swear, I appreciate one man,
one band like.
Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Yeah, I love your outlook, Lord of Rot, you going
appreciate it. I love the way you get the truth
out of niggas. Man, keep doing what you're doing on
start And if it was anything I want to say,
I just want to say family mola out. Now, stay tuned.
We're coming back December, coming back strong. No more of
your niggas, asks man, for sure, Wait, let me say
this because Red cal He said, Man, when you talked
(01:06:39):
to Rich Hopeing man, please talk to him about Venice
and our partnership. For sure, talk to me a little
bit about Venice and what you got going on. So
I got to give a big shout out to Venice Man,
big shout out to Detroit Carter Man, big shout out
to Red too, manf for sure, Red Like, even before
we did the distribution there, Red had been like, ain'tal
(01:07:03):
about it, Like he wouldn't let up, you know what
he's doing though, Yeah, he's good at what he do, man,
Like he wouldn't let up. But it was just one
of them situation you know, Like I mean like my
first time being all the way Indie, but I knew,
like from the song I dropped before we got in
this situation with that being to be worried like the
(01:07:23):
traction we seeing on it like the and we ain't
do nothing to the song. My damn, I can see
it moving. But if I do this again, man, I want,
I really want my you know what I'm saying, I
want my music to be able to touch everybody. I'm
still having all my ownership, so you know what I'm saying,
we are process of elimination. Venice was one of the
(01:07:43):
last two. And when I talked to them, it felt
like the right thing, not just for me to do,
but for the team to do. You know what I'm saying.
It was the right things for the masters to do,
the right thing for the whole organization business. Yeah, for sure.
And like they were patient with me, I might have
start them out for six months. That's deep because you
still gotta make sense. Man, you got to steal you
(01:08:04):
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
But and they building a mean little rosto that too.
Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
And but like I said, I want to come in
and feel like a new artist. I don't want to
come in being arrogant. I didn't want to come in
with that cloud over me. So I want to make
sure I was one hundred and ten percent committed and
I was gonna do sit different, bro. I was gonna
show them I was committed man, and to being you know,
an artist and changing my narrative around me.
Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
You know what I mean. I'm working I'm work with able.
Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Right that sh I want to win right. It's love Man.
Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
I appreciate you for stopping bad Man rich Holman. It's
her biggest Hey, it's your boy. Learned from myself that podcast.
Thank you for watching the video you just watched.
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Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
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