🎙️ In this explosive episode of the "It's Up There Podcast," Loon welcomes Taxstone, calling in from behind bars. They delve into the dark past of Ice from the Joe Budden Podcast, with Taxstone making jaw-dropping revelations about all of Joe Budden's co-hosts, leaving both the culture and Loon stunned. From Wack 100 snitching allegations Taxstone spills the tea on his case with Troy Ave, recounts Joe Budden's fight, and dissects the feud between Joe Budden and Charlamagne Tha God. He provides an eye-opening account of the night of the shooting involving Troy Ave, and reflects on Ice's influence in hip-hop and social media. Taxstone also exposes Math Hoffa's girlfriend and discusses Math Hoffa's surprising alliance with Troy Ave, adding new layers to the hip-hop narrative. For the first time, he shares exclusive details about his murder case involving Troy Ave's bodyguard, offering a gripping account of what really happened that night. The episode reaches a fever pitch as Taxstone delivers scathing commentary on Akademiks and his recent sex scandal, leaving Loon and listeners utterly stunned. This episode is packed with explosive insights and unfiltered truths that you won't want to miss! 0:00 - Introduction: Locked Up and Sentenced 0:20 - Restrictions on Free Speech in Prison 0:27 - Discussion on Government Deals and Cases 0:36 - Controversy Surrounds Allegations of Violence 0:47 - The Reality of Confrontations and Weapons 1:01 - Ice's Influence in Hip Hop and Social Media 1:16 - Fake Jewelry and Online Personas 1:21 - The Truth About Online Identities 1:37 - Innovation vs. Imitation in Media 2:11 - The Pull Up Show and Its Origins 2:28 - Joe Budden's Altercations and Reputation 2:52 - The Dynamics of Online Beef and Real-Life Confrontations 3:23 - Personal Connections and Miscommunication 3:41 - The Importance of Loyalty and Respect 3:50 - Introduction of Text Stone and His Situation 4:14 - Text Stone's Current Status and Case Overview 5:20 - Details on the Gun Charge and Legal Proceedings 6:01 - Explanation of Construct Possession Charges 7:06 - The Impact of Federal Laws on Gun Possession 8:26 - Historical Context of Gun Laws and Racism 9:10 - The Challenges of Fighting Legal Battles 10:01 - The Role of Social Media in Legal Cases 10:14 - The Nature of Spaces and Online Interactions 11:35 - The Playground of Online Conversations 12:00 - The Importance of Authenticity in Podcast Interactions 12:37 - Joe Budden's Relationship with His Fans Who he calls friends 13:07 - The Dynamics of Joe Budden's Podcast 14:09 - Critique of Joe Budden's Character and Podcast Style 15:00 - The Need for Company in Podcast Settings 16:10 - The Cost of Interacting with Fans on Spaces 17:10 - Joe Budden's Strategy and Audience Engagement 18:02 - The Importance of One-on-One Conversations 19:16 - The Role of Vocabulary in Podcast Success 20:11 - Ice From Joe Budden Podcast Online Past 21:13 - Ice From The Joe Budden Podcast Exposed 22:13 - The Nature of Relationships in the Industry 23:14 - Joe Budden is Jealous of Charlamagne Tha God 24:29 - The Value of Content Collaboration 25:40 - Podcast Relationships 26:59 - The Reality of Joe Budden's Relationships 28:00 - The Impact of Public Perception on Personal Relationships 29:10 - The Role of Podcast Content in Audience Engagement 30:29 - The Importance of Substance in Podcast Discussions 31:10 - The Evolution Of Tax Season the Podcast 32:50 - The Reality of Joe Budden's Podcast Success 34:14 - The Nature of Irrelevance in the Industry 35:19 - The Pressure of Competition in Podcast Spaces 36:38 - The Reality of Joe Budden's Public Image 37:06 - The Dynamics of Confrontation and Reputation 38:14 - Math Hoffa Beef with Tax Stone 39:21 - The Impact of Media on Legal Proceedings 40:35 - The Role of Speculation in Public Discourse 41:04 - The Challenges of Navigating Public Opinion 42:08 - Online Beef and Personal Relationships 43:37 - Personal Connections in the Industry 44:31 - The Impact of Personal
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was locked up over in seventeen twenty seventeen, you know,
start or eight years. I got seventeen thirty five years
in New York State.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
They prohibit you from being able to speak freely, but
he can speak.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know, he's working with the government. Well, you have
a deal with the government. You don't have a case.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know, I know people give him some kind of props.
You know, I beat him up, took his gun. But
my thing is, if that was true, if you asked me,
you would have been shipping if there, if you had
a game go, you got a lot of time in Yeah,
Like if I beat you up and take your gun
and you right here in front of me, you.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Are shock man.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Officially, I just had a patrol hip hop opinions an
unfortunate situations, rockers or whatever, and took it straight jeury
from him like that. But so that's why he felt that,
and then he reverted himself with Joe.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You said that Rob actually took his fake Jerry.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Well, you know he used to wear a lot of
fake jury. Well, the first thing he used to do
was he's acting like he was being left. That's how
he got his own No, bro, no, no, this is
the truth? This is the truth? Or is the truth?
No truth? No?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
You know, I'm an innovator and creator. You know, if
you look at Joe, Joe's a copier. No. I tached
the show the Vice lad. I pitched the Complex a
couple of black and they all dug it. My producer
was like, Oh, what are we gonna do? I said,
We're still gonna shoot it. We shot it, We sent
(02:08):
it the Complex, we sent to the white Man. Two
hours later, Complex getting up this fact said they wanted it,
but he was already locked in and it was called
the pull up attack on. I go to jam and
call us later and Joe button man, Joe called the
pull up wo He got snuffed by whole tag. He ran,
(02:33):
He got snuffed by comedy ran. He got snuffed by
this guy in the club. He fought two seconds and
then he decided to run. You got to do like
Matt Hawker who starts podcasting about me while I'm doing
my trial, just lying on me about a whole bunch
of stuff and his whole he could never tell nobody
(02:55):
be And then next thing I know, he was inviting
me to his block. I come to the dual block.
He don't come outside because I said, what did this
girl tell us?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Because out of everything you told him, you had to
leave something else because he's highly confident talking about me,
So you had to leave a part of my destruction
out right. It bothered me because it's like you don't
like me because you feel like I have my and
(03:31):
your girls. This is the issue here to death exactly
my old loan.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Look okay, okay, you know is up there and stuck
that when it's up there, man, it's stuck there. Shut
it was going on, bro, what you got going? Look quick, man,
(04:09):
it's all good. It's always all good.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Can you hit me good, y'all?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Can you clear? All right? Ben?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Let me make sure.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
We got tax Stone.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
For those of you that don't know, tax Stone is
someone that was promitted in this game, still is promitted
in this game. He ran into some unfortunate circumstances and
now he's fighting for his life behind bars for whatever reason.
Today we're gonna get into a little bit of that
and catch up with text. He's a pioneer in his space,
and those that know, they respect it. Those that don't
(04:44):
know don't matter. You dig what I'm saying, tax Stone,
what's going on?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Man, I'm blessed. Bro, I'm blessed. I'm more mother blessing.
I've ever been man checking in with you.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Man.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You know I've been meaning to tap in with you
on this vibe anyway, because we got a lot to
talk about.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know what I'm saying, show and so and something.
It's always something, Bro, what what what's your status right now?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
With your case and things of that nature. And for
those that don't know, give them a year you were
locked up.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I was locked up over every really seventeen twenty seventeen,
and you know, starting on eight years, it's been there.
I got set thirty five years in New York State.
I'm coldly fighting up pill and I'm getting sentenced in report.
(05:45):
Sometimes it's September or gun charge of round twenty two
jet fellow, the possession of a weapon.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I'm saying, you said, you go, you go to sentences?
Is it for another charge or well, this.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Charge that I haven't was related to the state case.
The state king start couldn't charge me with the gun
because I didn't get caught with the door. But in
the facts bets can charge you with a gun other
than matter if he caught that garter. If two people
say the same thing, it's yours or a shrew in
(06:23):
that So like it could be two dudes sitting in
the bull player and they could say, yo, I know
his due name. L you know he told me the
birth of nineteen ninety two, and then he says, yo,
we could hit him in the dude to be like you,
we can get out of jail. Over He don't even
got to know you. He could say, all right, I
remember when he told you that work in nineteen ninety two,
(06:44):
and he tells the federal government that and that's now
solid evidence. They don't need the birth. They don't need
it to be on tape.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Nothing was the over damn So because I got a
home where right now, that is fighting a constructive position,
and I think the circumstances is something like that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
What is that official charge from the FIZ.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Basically it's like they said that you touched the gun before,
So say, you could have been a fella and you
could have been a legal gun over there. You could
have let your cousin hold a gun and just rarity,
he didn't shoot nobody read of the nothing but then
you lost that legal goal. You know, somebody broke in
a contucky and they did a can with it. So
(07:28):
now that person got locked up with the gun. But
the fella's DNA was on a gun he all for.
So now they give him possession, saying basically he was
not supposed touch a goal. Constitutional states that everyone has
the right through their arms and there's no exceptions. What
(07:50):
the federal government made a law after at about nineteen
sixty maybe and it was basically nine twenty two sheep
that in the possession of a weapon. And the reason
that that law was created was because the black panthers
was going up to court with guns to protect people
that was being held undressing. When they realized that the
(08:10):
black papers had the right carrying guns, we said, we
needn't wait to make sure that these dudes could carry
these goods. So we all know that the whole prison
system and police that racism. So who's the majority of
fellas in the United States? Yeah? Right, So this is
why we have this charge by when the possession of
(08:31):
a work. If you look up the girl little even
just with a viral on social media for staying the word.
She put the video the other day and she said,
I'm calling to the law and the constitution. If that
guy robbed somebody would have done. And he got locked
up for Rabby the day he get out of jail,
(08:52):
he should be able to pick his gun back up.
And that's the god on the truth. But they not
on the possession of a weapon is not white. It
was created to keep black people from possess a weapon.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Damn dude. That's a you know.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And I imagine a lot of people fighting through that
because my homeboard with the construction, Yeah, my homeboy with
the constructive possession because his record, so he facing the
Life CENTERCE for that. And it's like they just had
a girl say that it's a gun somewhere and they
went in there got it and the fist picked the
case up.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
It's weird, man.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
But so even if you come back on the pill
for the thirty five years, is that what he gave
you thirty five.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah said thirty five years in the state.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, So if you come back on the pill on that,
how does that?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
How does that going home? I don't be going home
because it doesn't affect the possession of the federal courts
because this is separate jurisdiction. I'm not really gonna get
that much time over there. I'm most likely getting I
served for ten years, you know amount of time that
I have in It's ten years, right.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, that makes sense. I was listening to you.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
You know you've been up on spaces man. I just
it's a bunch of like, tell me what's up with
spaces man?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You know what I'm saying. Tell me what's good with that?
I know I know about the money part, but tell me, like,
it's a lot going on over there.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Man. What the reason I did spaces because I heard
it it was Cory. So people was like, yo, space
is Cory. So I was like, who said that? When
they showed me that people have studied it was corny, dude,
I was like, of course he do. Go tell me
what was corny? And he didn't identify himself as corny.
(10:42):
Yet I can't trust it, So I'm gonna start doing spaces.
So I started doing spaces a couple of weeks ago,
just around because from doing that flock on it works
for Adam to grace about me. So I just wanted
to trust him and I started doing it. Now all
of a sudden, a lot of dudes.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Doing yeah, but you know, I think you you you
for you.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's a play though I get it one hundred percent
in your circumstances, but like if I ain't in your room,
when I just see because I see some of the
clips come online and it's like people are building their
profile on those interactions, which is cool, you know, each
one teach one, But I don't know, I just think
the conversations could be packaged better, you know what I'm saying.
(11:28):
Not that they don't need to be had, but I
think the redistribution of the content is like all over
the place.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I think, well, you know, it's like it's like it's
like a play growing Basically, it's like a you know,
and you letting anybody say something. You let everybody ask
any question. So that's basically what it is. Just you
can't moderate it. You can say only I'm gonna talk, right, well,
these two people talk, Just let everybody listen and then
(11:57):
gradually have people ex questions and things that nature see.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
When I see I see you on it, I understand
you've been down ten years. Your voice is still your voice, right,
You steal who you are to this game, so you
know that's an outlet for you. But then when I
look and see Joe on there all day, I'm like, yo,
some is like I don't be getting it, Like I
want this thing.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
This is why you get to act with your fans.
Let me tell you one good thing that Joe but
Joe Button the friends and fans, all the people have
ever been on joke, Joe Button Couch was his fans.
Those wasn't his friend Yeah, you don't know the people.
(12:39):
These are people that like his music. They like his music.
He just invites him to the house, you know what
I mean, Like he doesn't he doesn't know those people
probably like.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
The game.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You know. Oh, I think what his brother once signed
them and then you got you got Melissa for you
probably knew she was being in the game. He did
the view, but that everybody else fans.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I think, I wonder. I don't know how long you
been knowing Ish, but I think him and Ish been
knowing each other for a while.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
But he's always like you said, he was already in
the game at twenty one, so it ain't like grew
up with them dudes. Them dudes could have came as
fans of him, to be as around him because he
was a rapper. Even if he was broke back then,
he still was Joe Budden.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You know, Yeah he had a record you had basically
j Z one of the biggest rappers.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Shot right, So he did this and you did this
one too.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, he was known over the on me in his
face or whatever. See, the thing is that Joe Budden
knows how to talk when I when I'm just Joe Button,
I'm visiting his character as a man, as a man,
I think as a man, I think I think he
was wanting to booth. Oh you know what I mean.
But you should just understand that you take with you
(14:09):
know what I mean. So it's like it's like the
thing like because he's not he's not a real dude,
Like this is a dude I spoke to on and
off my whole big I was with the door before
I got arrescued, very respectful, very calm. Then with the
s O B S. They tell you like a lion,
but you know there was people with this is was chilling.
(14:33):
The only time he had thrice towards anyone when they're
not in front of him. He had strong grievances towards
the negos, right until he was on the red carpet, right, Yes,
towards me stay and so they see, Yes, sir, he says,
towards all points until he seen them. He only had
(14:56):
strong grievances with me because I'm not his presence. You
can't respect a man that can't stand on the feat
that he claims that he.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Only Yeah, we see I think you know, yo, bro,
I know about them dudes man like crazy. But here
here's the thing, right, I believe he can speak too.
I believe he can podcast. That's you know, I take
him to be a talkative guy to be sitting around
(15:27):
talking and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Like he's educated in music. He's not educated in anything else.
He's educated in music. He has blood, right, that's still
he doesn't no politics, he don't common sit.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
But you know, I still think that being that inner
interactive with the fans comes with a cost.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I understand the community building side of it, right, because
the people feel like they're close to you. But then
some you get some people that come out of that
with a level of.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Like like you owe him, or like you know, like
you know what I'm saying, I don't know. It's just
it's just a weird in arena.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's it's a it's a strategy. It is a strategy
that works for Joe. Joe grew up on the internet, right,
He's always been an Internet dude, right, And just as
I said, if you look, if if Joe was a
concert right now, rapid, they'll fill it up. Not he
say of us arena, he does like a slow place,
(16:30):
like they have a star ballom because he's so to
active with his things. Those three thousand people will come
see it, right, you know what I mean. And a
lot of people don't know how to do that. And
that's a gift did he has. He's literally like Wally
all those people's stands in it like these these are
not dudes. But he like and felt like, Yo, this
(16:52):
dude got a strong skill set and we can collaborate
on work. Or you're a marketer, you can work here,
you're a producer, you do beats No Jesus, dude, that
actually was a thing of him, and kept reaching out
to him and then next thing you know, he's hanging
with them. The thing is that he kept them in
fan positions.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah that's crazy though, but see my thing is with the.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Joe Button Show. But you can't do Joe Button don't
without going to Sree. Right, this is why he always
needs company. Cast started, I made this podcast. Later it
was him and Marissa Mindays. And then after that, you know,
with the Worry and Mall, and then he changed the
name to the Joe Button Show.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I think he at some point he tried to phase
out and he'll dump all of them. Man, it may
be ten years down the road, but at some point
he's looking to do that.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Also, I'll say this too.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
To me.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You know, like I've been watching Joe Budden the last
couple of episodes. You know, I haven't watched in a while.
The last couple of episodes I watched, I said, it
seems like some some times that he's paying for a
live audience, you know, like those people there are not
necessarily co hosts, but he needs to feed off their energy,
and he needs to kind of feed off.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Them being there and laughing and saying things.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
But like you said, when he goes one on one
with the camera, I'm interested in seeing how you know,
that translating into the market. I don't know if he
goes as far as that they have a thing man
where it feels like they feed off each other. And
that granted, that is what podcasting is, but you know,
I think that it says something when you can crank
the mic up and one on one and people be
(18:36):
interested like I did my whole career like that you
did too well.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You know, I think she could actually do an interview
with somebody on one on one three that's and I
think he knows that, and this is why he keeps
company real so you know, it's like the share dude's
got to keep one hundred Like he got y'all ron
one hundred deep. I'll be like scared of death a
(19:01):
hundred people.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, so you don't think.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You don't think that, You don't think the one on
one interviews he do are like with NICKI Minad like
that that ain't nothing.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
It's dirt, you know, just like you said him, he
needs the company to feed on him. The dudes like
officially icing him to have to hear the ballcasing, you know,
or the Joe, but the show officially Ice has to
control hip hop opinions. Like when I first got on Twitter,
(19:35):
he was one of the most popular people on Twitter
talking about hip hop Yeah, but this is more unfortunate
situations from or whatever, and took straight jewelry from him
like that. But so that's why he said and he
re birthed himself with Joe.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
You said that because Rob ically took his fake Jerry.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
But you know I used to wear a lot of
fake jewelry. Well, the first thing he used to do
was he's acting like he was being left. That's how
he got all no bro, no bro, no, this is
the truth. This is the truth. Is the truth?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
No truth, No, bro, you can't just you know.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Like he was being you know what I mean. And
that's where he basically got known from being on the internet.
People thought this dude was being let I thought he
was being a whole bunch of people. He started saving
certain certain people, you know what I mean, like me
and them and like them seeing him in spots, and
then he didn't want no smoke, you know what I mean.
(20:43):
Like he's a cool dude, but he got he got
the music. Opinions like I'll be respecting when officially I
start problem. Yeah, got some Bob, But.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Man, we know this is more than just opinions, right,
this is more. You're gonna have more than just opinions.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
To really be a tycoon in the game or to
be to be a person of notoriety. Right, And when
I look at him, do not get him confused. He
done tried to branch off and I don't know if
the numbers was numbering. You see what I'm saying, like, yeah, yeah,
he don't win it. Done something with Caffeine, went and
done something with Twitch.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
See, they secret secretly do it because.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
They not like us when it comes to I'm coming
on that with this, whatever you do, I'm hustling, you
know what I'm saying. If they ain't doing that, they
trying to keep their profile up because they now over
over there with Joe Budden and they more corporatized, so
they're thinking about profile, you know what I'm saying. But
when he when he went to Caffeine man, he rarely
(21:42):
even mentioned it when.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
He was on.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
When he was on Joe Budden Show. And for me,
that says so much.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Right for you to be able to run some of
your audience over there, for you, for you get a
chance to re up, because we all know they'll give
you a bag. These numbers ain't numbering. You don't get
no more money, you know what I'm saying. But he's tried,
so this is more than opinions. But I think that's interesting.
What the made you think that I thought he would
be in moth though, no idea.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
You know what Twitter went at first? Like when I
first got on in two thousand and nine, I just
came home prison, so I wasn't really I wasn't really.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Like sure I'm saying saying this ship? Was he saying,
I'm b yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Bro, he I think he had listen. I'm not I'm
not for sure. He might have had a shake be
enough change man? What the like? If my memory is correct,
this is what he did. And his name was officially
I think it was Frety beating mepics and and ship.
He was always uptil beating up a lot, so it
(22:49):
was like people kind of thought he was affiliated with them.
So I guess that's how he gained his identity on
the internet.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Okay, So now I understand why they say love Jez
and all it is maybe he's is he is he thinking?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
He like yo, this is that's a for me nigga.
I ain't nigga what.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
But you know, for each his own like everybody like
I'm not gonna say everybody because I'm not really into
the mask worlder, you know what I mean. But a
lot of people come out the house kind of act
like other people. Yeah, Bro, I think he actually found
himself now, I pot don't house.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
How is niggas?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I'm saying respectful at ice, cause I don't got no
problem with him, but for him to be on there
now screaming I be in the house, Joe Buddenham kind
of crack on him for being like in the house
and never coming outside and things like.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
That when he was young, How the fuck did he
go from that to his identity?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Was?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I was in BMF. How the Internet ain't saying that
that's not known information? Bro, I don't. I didn't even
know that that, bro, And I'm from the South and
I'm one of them men.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
For real, I didn't know that. You know, I don't
know what that's about. That's some crazy ship for me
to hear, Like that's deep. Yeah, that's that's that's crazy
for me.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
But bro, the way I my vision, when I look
at these people, they don't even exist. Like it's like
like I don't know how it's played, you know what
I mean? Like and that's why when when they want
certain people patient to me, I'll be like, bro, I
would never speak to you like I wouldn't know you
(24:38):
like I do some Joe Budden songs like like I
used to look with something his freestyles because the nigga
aught to rap. But my thing is this, you can't
fool on cabulary with intellect. So when I see this
bigga like man good as a raper, I realize, Yo,
he just has no cavalry. He that smart, he's not
that shock. He always got to fuck with a young
ass bitch that affects worker like. It's not one girl
(25:02):
that he's had. It's not on the internet telling them
type of course of York everything. He ain't had one
bitch that like you're good with the computer, not one.
Now you go down head listen, it's whose sex workers.
And my man had just told me. He was like, yo, yo,
this bad drink from igb hitting me up. And I'm like,
(25:23):
oh lord, what y'all talking about whatever? He was like, Nah,
sure he's talking about you want to birken, she'll come
see me in jail. I said, I said, you willing
to bout her a birken and come see me, so
I said, my nigga, he's a sex worker, so anybody
could bother her. It's like a shoe. You go to
the store, you by the shoe. So that's nothing to
brand about it. Show me the girl that don't sell sex.
(25:48):
He's convinced that you was cute and you was a
smooth talker and she liked the head what that girl?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, because half of the in that game, half of
their job is to infla your ego anyway. You know,
they gonna tell you you they guy youself, you speak
so nice and smell so good because you got some
money on the table.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
That's part of it.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Listen if you if you would have looked, if you
see that the episode when I when I git Joe
Button out the studio, I told him, I said, I'm
not one of them thirdworld puntry ventures that you fuck
with that you could just use these big words with
and they're gonna sit there and think it's true because
they don't know what the words right. I'm not that personal.
(26:34):
So he needs that. He has to deal with peabody
woman use women ain't come on, bro, give them an
academic testager see what they store. They ain't that right right,
there's no no fucking it's no coincidence that every girl
that you've had in the public since we known you
(26:54):
is some form of sex worker, you know what I mean.
So told me a nigga tweeted the other day, I
think tweet. He was like, damn, nobody fuck with Joe Butlers.
I said, show up. How the niggas talk about.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Like, yeah, you and so you, Yeah, you've been in
that damn man. So, what what do you think about
Charlemagne and Joe Budden's like ship? What you know, sometimes
they have I won't call it a beef. Charlomagne is
my brother. He don't look at it like a beef,
but there's something. What do you think about their relationship
Charlomagne and Joe.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Budden don't I don't really know what the relationship is.
I'm being honest, like, I don't really be asking Charlamagne
ship like that. But what I do know is that
Joe is like jealous a little bit from charlom Mary.
We feel like the Breakfast squad makes him look a
certain way or they might jump on hivy. You know,
(27:54):
He's not to say certain jokes too Conley, He's gonna
want to combat it. So I think that's the way
this thing is with Charlamagne and.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
So now here.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Right, yeah, yeah, but here here's the thing. So they
used to do content together. There was a clear relationship.
Something happened at the Spotify situation. I talked to Charlemagne
about it on my podcast, so he spoke a little
bit about, you know, kind of where he believes it
comes from. Where they just that the relationship is separated.
(28:34):
But it's interesting because if we're being honest, I don't know, though, Man,
what do you what do you think about it? Did
you ever see any of those Ends of the Year
shows that they did and ship together? Like, what do
you think about content when they do content together? I'm
trying to think, do it really hit? I know it's
too big, audiences, it's massive.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I can't really speak on it honestly because I don't
like boss, which I really don't speak on right, I
don't really like broadcasts. I listened to some clips and
get the substance of it. I got a short attentions
stand so listening a whole hour and a half and
something that's like really interesting and I'm not really interested
(29:15):
in music, like I like it, like we can talk
about some ship real fast, but then it'd be like,
all right, bus after you rap and shit like that.
Not for me. And it's not that it ain't for me.
I just don't feel I had substance the way songs
are such a stick for years later. Were just singing
Rodny Rick song the other day, I think some new
(29:35):
thuge he's on the jet. I'll say, yeah, that's a
good feeling record. That's she's gonna be playing the barbecues.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
TV is from that, right, yeah, I mean so it's
like you like, I mean, I'm the same way I don't.
I don't really consume a lot of music in my
conversations or anything. Don't really surround music a lot. But
because we're in podcasting right, when I look at Charlemagne
and Joe and them doing content, I'm looking at how
much money that that could be made.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
But I'm wondering was it was the juice worth to squeeze?
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
But you you see you you maybe you may be
having soul any of it, or or you like you said,
and not pay attention to it. But for me, I
wonder just always look at shit and wonder what it
is worth. Like sometimes I wonder if you was out,
what would you do?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
What what we can do? What that's worth? Like it's
so much money on the table. You dig what I'm saying.
So I'm always the.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
For I'm an innovator and creator. You know, if you
look at Joe, Joe's a copier, you know what I mean.
Like dun leader ship, right, you know. I started to
show what I tached to show the bike Slane. I
pitch you the complex a couple of backball and they
all do it. My producer was like, oh, what are
(30:49):
we gonna do? I said, We're still gonna shoot it.
And after we shoot it, we're gonna shot it back
to the niggas. Because you are a number. You're talking
to a whole bunch of people that don't have bision.
If your third eye is blind and you don't understand
and know how to take the person's words and visualize it,
you're always gonna think it's bullet. So I said, we're
(31:10):
gonna shoot this ship. We shot it, We sent it
the Complex, we sent to the vice Lander. Two hours later,
Complex keeping up his back, said they wanted it. We
ended up locking him a Complex and Vice Laying hit
me up the next day and they wanted it, but
we was already locked in and it was called the
Pull Up Attack thone. I only got to shoot one episode.
(31:32):
I did it with data from Atlanta. It's on YouTube.
I go to jail a couple of months later and
Joe Button had a Joe called the pull Up Whoa,
and I'm like, okay. Then getting mad, I just was like, oh,
he's copying me again, you know what I mean, because
(31:53):
he has an a tendency anytime somebody brings me up.
He'd be like, Oh, he's no one, but he always
talking about me, right, No, I'm someone I always re
threat to you. You get a million followers. When I
first seen you, you still got a million followers, and
I was still doing over up maybe eighty thousand more
views than you ever, you know what I mean? So
(32:15):
I listen. I used to tweet this post out for
MTV two put out and they just basically just like, yo,
who has the best podcast at the time, And I
was like, yo, oh matter fi, I'm got the majority
of the vote. There was me drink Champs. I named
(32:36):
this podcast Lady Elliott Wilson and the reason I posted
recently was because he was talking about how I wasn't shit.
I'm like, no, you could say I'm not shipping now
I've been going for eight years. Yeah, outside you couldn't.
You couldn't talk about a podcast with out here in
my name. You couldn't present your podcast without somebody saying, yo,
(32:59):
do what about pack star.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That's a fact, that's a whole like I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Stepping on your knee. The people voted that, two too
tweeted that, and it was only about because you see
at the bottom of the Polish only like sixty hundred
people voted. But how do I end up eighty percent
of the vote out of all of y'all? So don't
try to the little need that make it seem like, oh,
he wasn't doing you. I just came out of prison.
(33:26):
I started podcasting, and I was doing a long shows
with fifteen hundred people pulling up listen.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
To me talk, right, And that's what I'm telling niggas,
and that that's the that's the blueprint, right. So what
I like about it and how I'm building man is
the same way whereas like be able to hold this
thing down by yourself, man, you know what I'm saying,
you and one person if you got a guess, but
if not be able to crank up and have some
shit to you know, pulling to the coach. I think
(33:53):
a lot of these niggas just be talking. But yeah, nah,
that's crazy, bro, that's yo, Bro, that's wild man like that.
How do you feel when he be saying like you're you're,
you're irrelevant and ship like that, Like do you feel.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
It about that? First of all, what's irrelevant irrelevant is
to you? But how could a person be irrelevant if
his names only be a mouth. That's like me saying
here irrelevant. He can't be irrelevant. I'm always talking about
the niggah. So it's like, let's be honest. So it's
like you can say whatever you want to say. Your
(34:32):
issue with me is that I'm such a strong thought
that I've been down for eight years and I still
say something there, Bob, break your yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
And you know what, when when I think about podcasting,
really it was you him nor New York was cluttered
for a minute.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
You know what I'm saying, He really got it by itself.
Because Charlemagne ain't a podcaster. He's a mogul.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
So he really got it by itself when he come
to partcas As.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
The noise is in Florida. Now, you know what I'm saying,
you're no longer there. It's really now just Joe Butden
running around. You know, when y'all all was up there,
he can feel that pressure. The pressure was on you
know what I'm saying. It's a different thing now.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, So that's basically what it is. The nigga's a
wayn Yeah, I know they. I just don't respect men
who always got something to say about somebody. When you
see them, it's a whole different speech.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
So it's like, well you ca they you know, they
said you had got him punched out? What's that about?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Man? I didn't get that nigga punched out somebody. Just
that was a thing. The nigga DM then told me
he was like, yo, I just sumped your button in
the club. Yeah. I was like, well, he was like, yeah,
I've been fucking with your ship for years. I said,
all right, thank you, two thumbs up.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, that's funny. That's funny. He get active though, but.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Heah, but you don't look at it. This is the
same character. You gotta listen to what this guy says.
He got snuffed ball who ran, He got snuffed by
comedy ran. He got snuffed by this guy in the club.
He fought two seconds and then he decided to run.
This guy runs his mouth and he runs a lot.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
He ran in the club that night.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
He ran and didn't even have to. It was a
straight visible hand altercation. So that was my issue with
him because he told me I was running from a
nigga that had a done on me. I said, I
thought you were supposed to run when a nigga got
a gun.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Fuck you telling me you?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I thought that was stating operating procedure.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Cold and conduct.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Man. So I'm like, if you're running from niggas with fish,
what the fuck are you gonna do with a nigga?
Pull a gune out with you, brother? Yeah, you he
just dont himself.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
He never like he fought that night though he had
a broke hand and no he he he didn't have.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
No broken He fucked that dude for two seconds. He
didn't need ahead of Actually, my man said, Yo, he
looked kind of good. Now, I will tell you somebody
he's brought. He fought big bets, which is Nicky Minaj's security.
Now what I did for his image? I tweeted out
(37:29):
Joe Button just had a fight with Big be Well,
my man, Big these people didn't know who he was
at the Bob Dang. Big Bees told me I'll beat
up three of Joe Button's friends. I fought Joe Button last.
He said, I'm not pull along. He almost took me
(37:49):
because I was tired his half from beating up with
other three friends. So he's still beating the auk though,
And the dude gets on his podcast and say beat
your man ass, But why you and telling him that
when you was doing that Nicki Minaj's interview up there
and they had you on the pressure because that was
(38:09):
the Bees.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
That had you sitting there, had sitting there.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
What did you ever see podcast with Nicki Minaj first
one up Joe butten ship.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Oh when she was calling them niggas out like she
was helped there hot she was mad with the yellow
Bees Bees was there.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I was been doing that he fought that night and
you ain't saying none of that, But you get into
a passionate ran about me on the internet and you say, yeah,
and I beat.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
This man up.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You talking about.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Mmmm, so he talking.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, we talking about right, but you know he's gonna
see big bees and change the.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Story because he didn't. He wasn't specific.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
That's what you mean when you say you got vocabulary,
play with the words and ship.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
I didn't say exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Worn semantic juniors, right, but these know that's what he
was talking about. Because who else you talking about? You
ain't never fought nobody else?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I know, right when when you talk about when you
talk about your case at this point, can it affect anything?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Well, I still haven't really discussed my case. You know.
The only story people know is whatever a boy said
on twenty interviews, Right, you know what I mean. It's
I'm not a liberty legal lead to do it. You
know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (39:33):
When I fight, my case is in court, so you know,
And that was my issue with a lot of these
podcasters as far as the math pop was academics and
just I said recently, I said, I was so happy.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
To see academics catch that sexual charge. And the reason
is is because when mean time somebody bought a case,
you was highly opinionated all kinds of fake shit, nothing
is real, and it could affect these people in court
and you weren't mindful of it. But now that you
(40:08):
have a chase, the media should talk about your chase
every day. But you should know how it feels. Cause
I don't think academics, right, nobody, but what do I know? Right?
Let's keep discussing it, though, because you know how it
feels when somebody accuses you of something and you feel like, yo,
I didn't even do that, but you sitting there stowing
(40:31):
everything negative about it.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, and not only that, you assuming, and a lot
of it you're speculating.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
So you're going you're not going off stock.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, they're breaking it down and going all in the
muddy waters and make somewhere in there say allegedly or
I don't really know. But you're discussing this shit in length,
and this shit clearly can affect the minds of people
that have to digest the information of these cases.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
You know what I mean? So it can swaye people.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Man, exactly. And that's the thing. So like you got
to do like man Hoka who starts podcasting about me
while I'm doing my trial, just lying on me about
a whole bunch of stuff, and his whole he could
never tell nobody what his vis. He can't say, yo,
be for tax your beef for taxes that you did
(41:23):
a video asking you are around to suspend the battle rapers,
she jumped, let's set in return. This dude is posted.
He walked around bully in the whole bat place, beating
everybody up, and he didn't want to be suspended. But
(41:43):
the moment niggas put hands on you, you want them
to suspended. It's your plot was whatever it was. And
then next thing I know, he was inviting me to
his block. I come to the door block, he don't
come outside. So now all of that rappers use that
against him, and now he's trying to make it seem
like we have some wining, deeper beetle than we had.
(42:07):
So I'm sitting here trying to find out one day
why he said something about my family like oh, you know,
like like niggas can't get to his family, and that
was such a confidence statement and blazing because not too
many people know who my family is. So I was
sitting back like that was like that was called the
(42:28):
crazy I love you right, And then what I did
was I paid a private investigator to follow him. And
then I then found at that moment that the girl
that he deals with now is a friend of mine
for many years, a many years. This is my friend,
(42:50):
no no sense. I probably was eleven years old, Jennet
the girls in the videos with him, and it just
broke my heart because I said, what did this girl
tell us, dude? Because out of everything you told that,
you had to leave something else because he's highly confident
talking about me, so you had to leave apart my
description outright. It bothered me because it's like, oh, you
(43:18):
don't like me because you feel like I had my
big and your girl ass. This is the issue here.
You know that your girl like a rob dick with
her and you feel like she might have did it
to me, so you you want to keep coming at me. Bro,
I don't even got no beef with you. Don't got
(43:39):
no beef with that girl. Even had an argument with
that girl. So I was confused. So now you might.
I know this girl's whole family still follow some of them,
and I'm sitting there like, yo, what did Jita do?
What did she stay to this dude? And Jenna was
(44:02):
in jail and I see to her sister. She said,
I'm not talking to her right now, and I said
what is she doing in jail? She said, oh, she
was working somewhere in did some fraud with the jail whatever.
I don't know this door for being like this even
going to jail. So I was coming to hurt flud.
Want to do the letter, I said, Yo, when you
(44:25):
come home or got you? I the flowing out. She
was coming home on flor a month so a lie.
I was like, Dad, JENNI probably coming home right. She
had a fat ass, he's pretty. So today she comes home,
she comes to me and I give her some beans.
You know. I gave her the bands out of my
(44:46):
pocket and then whenever bands I get to have in
my pocket. I took her to the bank and took
it out the ATM. And she told me that day,
she said, I love him so much because none of
my friends, no nobody in my family, no brother, no sister,
get anything from me. So we see him standing there
(45:09):
with this dude that has so much to say about me.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I'm like, Dane, Yeah, but you know what so I
think you're speaking about.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Because I did find this interesting is that when Math
had those interviews with Troyl, he would say stuff like
an enemy of my enemy is my friend and your
scenario with Troy alf especially at that time, was totally
different than your scenario with math Hoffler. That was pretty
(45:43):
much some internet shit that that's what I'm saying, that's.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
What you want to call me. You want to earn
me as an enemy. That's kind of fucked up. I
think you should just continue your career and take me
off that list. Yeah. Nah, I don't want to be
his enemy. You want to be my enemy is just
because that's what duds in the dude.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
But I think when he was interviewing him at that time,
I think that was more that was more so his
his his outlook on it is like, Yo, me and
this dude got problems.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
You and that dude got problems. I'm gonna sit you there.
But you know, like you're saying, I.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Expect that birds of a feather flock together, but they
also get plucked together too, and we love chicken over there,
so it's like, no tears about them types of dudes,
quicken up. We expect that. I'm seeing a photo one
time on the internet all the rappad and like seven
(46:43):
dudes I've had problems with. They was all together, right,
and a female was underneath the comment and she said
only people who know tax with nobody's picture is the
funniest picture in the world because taxes viole, lady, every
single one of them, right, And they trying to form
(47:04):
the Avengers. And I'm like, damn, look at me, professor,
exciting in a wheelchair with all these people trying to
get me.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yo, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Now, So why won't you make it be trying to
beat him? A proople so much? Right, if you want
to make sure you take legs again, I got legs.
I got to go back to being crippled because when
I was just walking out there, y'all was cripple.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
And so they prohibit you from being able to speak freely.
But he can speak.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
You know, he's working with the government. Well, you have
a deal with the government. You don't have a case,
so you would talk. If I had to deal with
the government, I would have never I would have never
had to go to try So I was people and
I had people say, Yo, you think tex, don't try
it the moment you think that, you should have raced
it out your head because he would be here and
(48:07):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Right the end, it's that deep.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
I wouldn't have to go to trial if I told
on the right it was only one.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Person that want the trial out of this incident and me, Yeah,
and you didn't use the self defense of any of.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
That, Like, well, there's no self defense in New York.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
There's nothing like it.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
And that's why it's a horrible place.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
They have some.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Shit called justifiable homicide, right, and the reason and the
way you and the way you fight it all right,
the law states that you have to prove that you
tried to retreat it. You have to prove that you
tried to call the police. Anyone has been in any
type of incident, you know that these incidents the last second, right,
(48:55):
So it's kind of hard to retreat sometimes, and it's
kind of hard to get to your phone to call
the police. So this is why New York is such
a dangerous place, right, because it's like you cannot protect yourself.
This is why I'm gonna be falling of moving to
a red state as soon as I get out.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, that's that's some interesting shit, man, that's some interesting
shit because for me, you know, when I look at
the documentaries and the think pieces that that goes on
about the night, so many people are saying that yo,
that these guys said I'm about to get off or
I'm gonna do something to him. It's like, if that
is the case, you know what I'm saying, then when
(49:37):
does this turn into me just trying to make sure
that they don't they don't finish me.
Speaker 6 (49:43):
You know what I'm saying, listen, and no state what
I'm be in jails of the state man, he admitted
that him and the dude agreed to get at me.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
He said he waked his I at him and then
done went to attack me.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
That's to me when I heard him say that, because
he said that before, and I'm like, okay, when does
that turn into them approaching this case with that behavior
and trying to harm somebody like and that turns into
self defense? But you're saying there's no law to protect that.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
There's no law like the instant we was going back
to a while. These laws are racist, right, every big
city and the municipality in the country that had too
many Democrats, they outlawed guns, and it's harder for you
to get a gunsh to call on Angelas New York.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
The reason is is because we don't want these educated
blacks walking around with these guns. Right, we gonna turn
the law and a fellow in the possession of a
weapon do government for the country. Now, new York State,
you couldn't get a gun unless you can pool that
you carried every large amounts of money in your deadness.
You needed so many community people are right for you
(51:01):
to get a gun license. The federal government just changed
that and they brought it back to the regular gun
laws because they know that that law was racist the
Supreme Court. So now in New York you can actually
go get a gun j and that you go your
permit out and you can go get a gun. Right.
(51:22):
But that's what they still do not make the law
to protect the people who have the legal gun. So
meaning you have a legal gun, are guys in the
fat who tries to rob you, you turn around, shoot them.
You locked up for murder because there's no law to
(51:43):
protect the person who has the legal gun in New York. Fever,
not just not just the higgle with illegal gun. They
won't have the lord to protect the niggle with the
legal guns. Prosecuted distruction to say, well, he got a
legal government.
Speaker 4 (51:58):
And he said that this god did that I'm bad,
and that depends on who you are.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
Who does it end up on.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Exactly? Damn? You know.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
And also when I hear when I hear him speak
about the case, you know, I know people give him
some kind of props. You know, I beat him up,
took his gun. But my thing is, if that was true,
if you asked me, you would have been shot. If
if if you had a team, you got a lot
of yeah, Like if I beat you up and take
(52:32):
your gun and you right here in front of me,
you a shot man, you know what I yeah, yeah,
So I didn't understand that part of it. I'm like, Yo,
something happened in between that, because it ain't no way
for you to say I beat him up and took
his gun, Like that's for me, it didn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
You know what I'm saying. So when I hear it only.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Takes one second if you think a gun out of
persons saying for you to be able to pull the right.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
Yeah, shit, that's easy that you know.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
That's that's just the part of a story that might
end up in the area, that might come out someday.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
Right, But you know that's his story, right right.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
You don't even rap right, Yeah, but I'm saying it
got to make sense too, just like when I look
at the young and they stuff like you know, they
they claiming certain stuff, and I'm like, yeah, but the
math ain't mathing if you're asking me though, some main't
you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't think no
niggas drove from three hours to do that and got
back on the road, like I don't know like that.
(53:32):
That don't sound good to me, but maybe it happened,
you know, I don't know. But sometimes, like you said,
the rap community, they glorified it.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
That ship, and so they stand on it. I don't
really understand it.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, but you know, well, you know, Vounce's coming to
a lot of these niggas when they see the video,
it's like, oh, he was busting Histone and that's the
same way, but way once he realized that you actually
go to jail for doing it, and he's never been
(54:07):
to jail, so they look at me like I'm the
wrong person. Oh, this dude been in jail for violence.
This dude only been licensed as well, right, so you know,
and even being from New York, like I'm full of sures,
guys don't have a record in New York. But for
you to see that she was in the streets he
was in.
Speaker 4 (54:30):
Yeah, to me, this is a police state.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
New York is a police state for every fucking corner.
Speaker 4 (54:37):
Yeah, and you you was doing all this, you know,
it's like you gotta be mom of it.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
He says two different things. He says that I came
in there and shot every single person. The district attorney
goes with this. He says he beat the ship out me.
They go with it. My thing is he didn't junk.
(55:09):
It wasn't no you beating shot out me. It was
beating the shout out me. And in the midst of
y'all beating and shout out me, y'all lost right. I
went home and then what's a landed? The next day
they go do the come up with dayDay and y'all said,
(55:29):
Tom in the hospital, Now, how do you spend time
in the hospital? Is where everybody's lying at. This is
where he's doing trying to protect hisself in others. Because
there was four DNA's on that DOUN the person who
died and me and two unknowns bom DNA and two unknowns.
(55:56):
Is only because these dudes haven't a feelings, so they
don't have to do a right right. So how do
y'all come to the common ground that I'm the only
one to use this weapon right? Because it fits an arrative.
They had to beef on the internet. His friend guy,
(56:17):
he was with him, so he didn't shoot his friend.
Hacks had to shoot his friend. Oh yeah, so this
is what's going on. Me. I'm not from where we
sit behind the courtroom and talk to the shoot a ms.
I'm not from where discuss stings with the police. I'll
(56:39):
discussed it with my lawyer, and I allowed a lawyer
to fight because he's an officer of the court. You
know what I mean. You can't hear the down, Hey kid,
this is this dude put out a letter and said
Tack snitched on me. When I see everybody's hitting me
(56:59):
on the compute on the edge, yo, bro, niggas is saying,
Troy a p paperwork out on you. I said, how
the fuck did he purple work out on me? And
the case ain't even stopped, right, I wasn't even in
Danny day, right, so how would it be paperwork? Although
that is a gun charge right now? So my lawyer
(57:20):
put a bell assessment let in, and he said it's
two parties involved in his crime, Roland cons which is
Troy ad Gall Campbell, which is taxed doone. And he
basically said, this guy is on camera shooting and he
got caught with three guns after why does he get
(57:43):
a bat and my client got hold with no guns
and my client was never shooting on camera. There's no
evidence of him ever shooting. How does he hang up
with no bat? But this guy ends up with a
bet it. This guy then says I snitched on him
(58:06):
by saying he was shooting in the Knot club. Anybody
sent you shooting in the nightclub? My nigga, you're on camera.
Are you gonna go in court and say that's not you? Listen?
You understand? And then you have thirty thousand sheep like,
I only shit you, right, sir? He just told on you.
(58:29):
No tell him is offering information in the criminal investigation
on my own instormation, you understand. So I remember one
day I got pulled over with my phone. He had
a gun on him. He told me I don't got
no gun on me. I came up the store with
two Dutch Masters and the police sitting with the Dutch
(58:51):
masters and said, I know y'all got weeding the car.
When they go to search for the weed, I see
it my man face that he might have something else
in the all. I said, bro, what happened? He said,
y'all got the gripping there? I said, why the fuck
would you had the grip in the car, knowing when
he was going to this hot ass store. You better
(59:14):
let them know that that shit is yours. Because I
turned myself in, brought a gun charge in six days, right,
we'm blowing to prison. So the police found a gun
and they go to him and they say he was
the driver. They say, yo, who's gun is this? He
(59:36):
said his mind? He said, who's gone? He said his mind.
Then the dude comes to the back of the car.
He says, mister Campbell, who's gun is this? I said,
he just told you who gun it was, And this
is my statement. Yeah, this nigga locked up five of
(59:58):
men agains and he tells people your text tole on.
So they shows people the statement of me saying that
the cops he already told you what it was. So
this is one.
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
This is on the scene of the crime exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
This is on the scene of the crime,
I was locked up over in seventeen twenty seventeen, you know,
start or eight years. I got seventeen thirty five years
in New York State.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
They prohibit you from being able to speak freely, but
he can speak.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know, he's working with the government. Well, you have
a deal with the government. You don't have a case.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know, I know people give him some kind of props.
You know, I beat him up, took his gun. But
my thing is, if that was true, if you asked me,
you would have been shipping if there, if you had
a game go, you got a lot of time in Yeah,
Like if I beat you up and take your gun
and you right here in front of me, you.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Are shock man.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Officially, I just had a patrol hip hop opinions an
unfortunate situations, rockers or whatever, and took it straight jeury
from him like that. But so that's why he felt that,
and then he reverted himself with Joe.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You said that Rob actually took his fake Jerry.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Well, you know he used to wear a lot of
fake jury. Well, the first thing he used to do
was he's acting like he was being left. That's how
he got his own No, bro, no, no, this is
the truth? This is the truth? Or is the truth?
No truth? No?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
You know, I'm an innovator and creator. You know, if
you look at Joe, Joe's a copier. No. I tached
the show the Vice lad. I pitched the Complex a
couple of black and they all dug it. My producer
was like, Oh, what are we gonna do? I said,
We're still gonna shoot it. We shot it, We sent
(02:08):
it the Complex, we sent to the white Man. Two
hours later, Complex getting up this fact said they wanted it,
but he was already locked in and it was called
the pull up attack on. I go to jam and
call us later and Joe button man, Joe called the
pull up wo He got snuffed by whole tag. He ran,
(02:33):
He got snuffed by comedy ran. He got snuffed by
this guy in the club. He fought two seconds and
then he decided to run. You got to do like
Matt Hawker who starts podcasting about me while I'm doing
my trial, just lying on me about a whole bunch
of stuff and his whole he could never tell nobody
(02:55):
be And then next thing I know, he was inviting
me to his block. I come to the dual block.
He don't come outside because I said, what did this
girl tell us?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Because out of everything you told him, you had to
leave something else because he's highly confident talking about me,
So you had to leave a part of my destruction
out right. It bothered me because it's like you don't
like me because you feel like I have my and
(03:31):
your girls. This is the issue here to death exactly
my old loan.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Look okay, okay, you know is up there and stuck
that when it's up there, man, it's stuck there. Shut
it was going on, bro, what you got going? Look quick, man,
(04:09):
it's all good. It's always all good.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Can you hit me good, y'all?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Can you clear? All right? Ben?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Let me make sure.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
We got tax Stone.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
For those of you that don't know, tax Stone is
someone that was promitted in this game, still is promitted
in this game. He ran into some unfortunate circumstances and
now he's fighting for his life behind bars for whatever reason.
Today we're gonna get into a little bit of that
and catch up with text. He's a pioneer in his space,
and those that know, they respect it. Those that don't
(04:44):
know don't matter. You dig what I'm saying, tax Stone,
what's going on?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Man, I'm blessed. Bro, I'm blessed. I'm more mother blessing.
I've ever been man checking in with you.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Man.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You know I've been meaning to tap in with you
on this vibe anyway, because we got a lot to
talk about.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know what I'm saying, show and so and something.
It's always something, Bro, what what what's your status right now?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
With your case and things of that nature. And for
those that don't know, give them a year you were
locked up.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I was locked up over every really seventeen twenty seventeen,
and you know, starting on eight years, it's been there.
I got set thirty five years in New York State.
I'm coldly fighting up pill and I'm getting sentenced in report.
(05:45):
Sometimes it's September or gun charge of round twenty two
jet fellow, the possession of a weapon.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I'm saying, you said, you go, you go to sentences?
Is it for another charge or well, this.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Charge that I haven't was related to the state case.
The state king start couldn't charge me with the gun
because I didn't get caught with the door. But in
the facts bets can charge you with a gun other
than matter if he caught that garter. If two people
say the same thing, it's yours or a shrew in
(06:23):
that So like it could be two dudes sitting in
the bull player and they could say, yo, I know
his due name. L you know he told me the
birth of nineteen ninety two, and then he says, yo,
we could hit him in the dude to be like you,
we can get out of jail. Over He don't even
got to know you. He could say, all right, I
remember when he told you that work in nineteen ninety two,
(06:44):
and he tells the federal government that and that's now
solid evidence. They don't need the birth. They don't need
it to be on tape.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Nothing was the over damn So because I got a
home where right now, that is fighting a constructive position,
and I think the circumstances is something like that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
What is that official charge from the FIZ.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Basically it's like they said that you touched the gun before,
So say, you could have been a fella and you
could have been a legal gun over there. You could
have let your cousin hold a gun and just rarity,
he didn't shoot nobody read of the nothing but then
you lost that legal goal. You know, somebody broke in
a contucky and they did a can with it. So
(07:28):
now that person got locked up with the gun. But
the fella's DNA was on a gun he all for.
So now they give him possession, saying basically he was
not supposed touch a goal. Constitutional states that everyone has
the right through their arms and there's no exceptions. What
(07:50):
the federal government made a law after at about nineteen
sixty maybe and it was basically nine twenty two sheep
that in the possession of a weapon. And the reason
that that law was created was because the black panthers
was going up to court with guns to protect people
that was being held undressing. When they realized that the
(08:10):
black papers had the right carrying guns, we said, we
needn't wait to make sure that these dudes could carry
these goods. So we all know that the whole prison
system and police that racism. So who's the majority of
fellas in the United States? Yeah? Right, So this is
why we have this charge by when the possession of
(08:31):
a work. If you look up the girl little even
just with a viral on social media for staying the word.
She put the video the other day and she said,
I'm calling to the law and the constitution. If that
guy robbed somebody would have done. And he got locked
up for Rabby the day he get out of jail,
(08:52):
he should be able to pick his gun back up.
And that's the god on the truth. But they not
on the possession of a weapon is not white. It
was created to keep black people from possess a weapon.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Damn dude. That's a you know.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And I imagine a lot of people fighting through that
because my homeboard with the construction, Yeah, my homeboy with
the constructive possession because his record, so he facing the
Life CENTERCE for that. And it's like they just had
a girl say that it's a gun somewhere and they
went in there got it and the fist picked the
case up.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
It's weird, man.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
But so even if you come back on the pill
for the thirty five years, is that what he gave
you thirty five.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah said thirty five years in the state.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, So if you come back on the pill on that,
how does that?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
How does that going home? I don't be going home
because it doesn't affect the possession of the federal courts
because this is separate jurisdiction. I'm not really gonna get
that much time over there. I'm most likely getting I
served for ten years, you know amount of time that
I have in It's ten years, right.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, that makes sense. I was listening to you.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
You know you've been up on spaces man. I just
it's a bunch of like, tell me what's up with
spaces man?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You know what I'm saying. Tell me what's good with that?
I know I know about the money part, but tell me, like,
it's a lot going on over there.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Man. What the reason I did spaces because I heard
it it was Cory. So people was like, yo, space
is Cory. So I was like, who said that? When
they showed me that people have studied it was corny, dude,
I was like, of course he do. Go tell me
what was corny? And he didn't identify himself as corny.
(10:42):
Yet I can't trust it, So I'm gonna start doing spaces.
So I started doing spaces a couple of weeks ago,
just around because from doing that flock on it works
for Adam to grace about me. So I just wanted
to trust him and I started doing it. Now all
of a sudden, a lot of dudes.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Doing yeah, but you know, I think you you you
for you.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's a play though I get it one hundred percent
in your circumstances, but like if I ain't in your room,
when I just see because I see some of the
clips come online and it's like people are building their
profile on those interactions, which is cool, you know, each
one teach one, But I don't know, I just think
the conversations could be packaged better, you know what I'm saying.
(11:28):
Not that they don't need to be had, but I
think the redistribution of the content is like all over
the place.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I think, well, you know, it's like it's like it's
like a play growing Basically, it's like a you know,
and you letting anybody say something. You let everybody ask
any question. So that's basically what it is. Just you
can't moderate it. You can say only I'm gonna talk, right, well,
these two people talk, Just let everybody listen and then
(11:57):
gradually have people ex questions and things that nature see.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
When I see I see you on it, I understand
you've been down ten years. Your voice is still your voice, right,
You steal who you are to this game, so you
know that's an outlet for you. But then when I
look and see Joe on there all day, I'm like, yo,
some is like I don't be getting it, Like I
want this thing.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
This is why you get to act with your fans.
Let me tell you one good thing that Joe but
Joe Button the friends and fans, all the people have
ever been on joke, Joe Button Couch was his fans.
Those wasn't his friend Yeah, you don't know the people.
(12:39):
These are people that like his music. They like his music.
He just invites him to the house, you know what
I mean, Like he doesn't he doesn't know those people
probably like.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
The game.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You know. Oh, I think what his brother once signed
them and then you got you got Melissa for you
probably knew she was being in the game. He did
the view, but that everybody else fans.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I think, I wonder. I don't know how long you
been knowing Ish, but I think him and Ish been
knowing each other for a while.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
But he's always like you said, he was already in
the game at twenty one, so it ain't like grew
up with them dudes. Them dudes could have came as
fans of him, to be as around him because he
was a rapper. Even if he was broke back then,
he still was Joe Budden.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You know, Yeah he had a record you had basically
j Z one of the biggest rappers.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Shot right, So he did this and you did this
one too.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, he was known over the on me in his
face or whatever. See, the thing is that Joe Budden
knows how to talk when I when I'm just Joe Button,
I'm visiting his character as a man, as a man,
I think as a man, I think I think he
was wanting to booth. Oh you know what I mean.
But you should just understand that you take with you
(14:09):
know what I mean. So it's like it's like the
thing like because he's not he's not a real dude,
Like this is a dude I spoke to on and
off my whole big I was with the door before
I got arrescued, very respectful, very calm. Then with the
s O B S. They tell you like a lion,
but you know there was people with this is was chilling.
(14:33):
The only time he had thrice towards anyone when they're
not in front of him. He had strong grievances towards
the negos, right until he was on the red carpet, right, Yes,
towards me stay and so they see, Yes, sir, he says,
towards all points until he seen them. He only had
(14:56):
strong grievances with me because I'm not his presence. You
can't respect a man that can't stand on the feat
that he claims that he.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Only Yeah, we see I think you know, yo, bro,
I know about them dudes man like crazy. But here
here's the thing, right, I believe he can speak too.
I believe he can podcast. That's you know, I take
him to be a talkative guy to be sitting around
(15:27):
talking and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Like he's educated in music. He's not educated in anything else.
He's educated in music. He has blood, right, that's still
he doesn't no politics, he don't common sit.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
But you know, I still think that being that inner
interactive with the fans comes with a cost.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I understand the community building side of it, right, because
the people feel like they're close to you. But then
some you get some people that come out of that
with a level of.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Like like you owe him, or like you know, like
you know what I'm saying, I don't know. It's just
it's just a weird in arena.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's it's a it's a strategy. It is a strategy
that works for Joe. Joe grew up on the internet, right,
He's always been an Internet dude, right, And just as
I said, if you look, if if Joe was a
concert right now, rapid, they'll fill it up. Not he
say of us arena, he does like a slow place,
(16:30):
like they have a star ballom because he's so to
active with his things. Those three thousand people will come
see it, right, you know what I mean. And a
lot of people don't know how to do that. And
that's a gift did he has. He's literally like Wally
all those people's stands in it like these these are
not dudes. But he like and felt like, Yo, this
(16:52):
dude got a strong skill set and we can collaborate
on work. Or you're a marketer, you can work here,
you're a producer, you do beats No Jesus, dude, that
actually was a thing of him, and kept reaching out
to him and then next thing you know, he's hanging
with them. The thing is that he kept them in
fan positions.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah that's crazy though, but see my thing is with the.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Joe Button Show. But you can't do Joe Button don't
without going to Sree. Right, this is why he always
needs company. Cast started, I made this podcast. Later it
was him and Marissa Mindays. And then after that, you know,
with the Worry and Mall, and then he changed the
name to the Joe Button Show.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I think he at some point he tried to phase
out and he'll dump all of them. Man, it may
be ten years down the road, but at some point
he's looking to do that.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Also, I'll say this too.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
To me.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You know, like I've been watching Joe Budden the last
couple of episodes. You know, I haven't watched in a while.
The last couple of episodes I watched, I said, it
seems like some some times that he's paying for a
live audience, you know, like those people there are not
necessarily co hosts, but he needs to feed off their energy,
and he needs to kind of feed off.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Them being there and laughing and saying things.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
But like you said, when he goes one on one
with the camera, I'm interested in seeing how you know,
that translating into the market. I don't know if he
goes as far as that they have a thing man
where it feels like they feed off each other. And
that granted, that is what podcasting is, but you know,
I think that it says something when you can crank
the mic up and one on one and people be
(18:36):
interested like I did my whole career like that you
did too well.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You know, I think she could actually do an interview
with somebody on one on one three that's and I
think he knows that, and this is why he keeps
company real so you know, it's like the share dude's
got to keep one hundred Like he got y'all ron
one hundred deep. I'll be like scared of death a
(19:01):
hundred people.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, so you don't think.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You don't think that, You don't think the one on
one interviews he do are like with NICKI Minad like
that that ain't nothing.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
It's dirt, you know, just like you said him, he
needs the company to feed on him. The dudes like
officially icing him to have to hear the ballcasing, you know,
or the Joe, but the show officially Ice has to
control hip hop opinions. Like when I first got on Twitter,
(19:35):
he was one of the most popular people on Twitter
talking about hip hop Yeah, but this is more unfortunate
situations from or whatever, and took straight jewelry from him
like that. But so that's why he said and he
re birthed himself with Joe.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
You said that because Rob ically took his fake Jerry.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
But you know I used to wear a lot of
fake jewelry. Well, the first thing he used to do
was he's acting like he was being left. That's how
he got all no bro, no bro, no, this is
the truth. This is the truth. Is the truth?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
No truth, No, bro, you can't just you know.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Like he was being you know what I mean. And
that's where he basically got known from being on the internet.
People thought this dude was being let I thought he
was being a whole bunch of people. He started saving
certain certain people, you know what I mean, like me
and them and like them seeing him in spots, and
then he didn't want no smoke, you know what I mean.
(20:43):
Like he's a cool dude, but he got he got
the music. Opinions like I'll be respecting when officially I
start problem. Yeah, got some Bob, But.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Man, we know this is more than just opinions, right,
this is more. You're gonna have more than just opinions.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
To really be a tycoon in the game or to
be to be a person of notoriety. Right, And when
I look at him, do not get him confused. He
done tried to branch off and I don't know if
the numbers was numbering. You see what I'm saying, like, yeah, yeah,
he don't win it. Done something with Caffeine, went and
done something with Twitch.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
See, they secret secretly do it because.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
They not like us when it comes to I'm coming
on that with this, whatever you do, I'm hustling, you
know what I'm saying. If they ain't doing that, they
trying to keep their profile up because they now over
over there with Joe Budden and they more corporatized, so
they're thinking about profile, you know what I'm saying. But
when he when he went to Caffeine man, he rarely
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even mentioned it when.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
He was on.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
When he was on Joe Budden Show. And for me,
that says so much.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Right for you to be able to run some of
your audience over there, for you, for you get a
chance to re up, because we all know they'll give
you a bag. These numbers ain't numbering. You don't get
no more money, you know what I'm saying. But he's tried,
so this is more than opinions. But I think that's interesting.
What the made you think that I thought he would
be in moth though, no idea.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
You know what Twitter went at first? Like when I
first got on in two thousand and nine, I just
came home prison, so I wasn't really I wasn't really.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Like sure I'm saying saying this ship? Was he saying,
I'm b yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Bro, he I think he had listen. I'm not I'm
not for sure. He might have had a shake be
enough change man? What the like? If my memory is correct,
this is what he did. And his name was officially
I think it was Frety beating mepics and and ship.
He was always uptil beating up a lot, so it
(22:49):
was like people kind of thought he was affiliated with them.
So I guess that's how he gained his identity on
the internet.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Okay, So now I understand why they say love Jez
and all it is maybe he's is he is he thinking?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
He like yo, this is that's a for me nigga.
I ain't nigga what.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
But you know, for each his own like everybody like
I'm not gonna say everybody because I'm not really into
the mask worlder, you know what I mean. But a
lot of people come out the house kind of act
like other people. Yeah, Bro, I think he actually found
himself now, I pot don't house.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
How is niggas?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I'm saying respectful at ice, cause I don't got no
problem with him, but for him to be on there
now screaming I be in the house, Joe Buddenham kind
of crack on him for being like in the house
and never coming outside and things like.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
That when he was young, How the fuck did he
go from that to his identity?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Was?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I was in BMF. How the Internet ain't saying that
that's not known information? Bro, I don't. I didn't even
know that that, bro, And I'm from the South and
I'm one of them men.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
For real, I didn't know that. You know, I don't
know what that's about. That's some crazy ship for me
to hear, Like that's deep. Yeah, that's that's that's crazy
for me.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
But bro, the way I my vision, when I look
at these people, they don't even exist. Like it's like
like I don't know how it's played, you know what
I mean? Like and that's why when when they want
certain people patient to me, I'll be like, bro, I
would never speak to you like I wouldn't know you
(24:38):
like I do some Joe Budden songs like like I
used to look with something his freestyles because the nigga
aught to rap. But my thing is this, you can't
fool on cabulary with intellect. So when I see this
bigga like man good as a raper, I realize, Yo,
he just has no cavalry. He that smart, he's not
that shock. He always got to fuck with a young
ass bitch that affects worker like. It's not one girl
(25:02):
that he's had. It's not on the internet telling them
type of course of York everything. He ain't had one
bitch that like you're good with the computer, not one.
Now you go down head listen, it's whose sex workers.
And my man had just told me. He was like, yo, yo,
this bad drink from igb hitting me up. And I'm like,
(25:23):
oh lord, what y'all talking about whatever? He was like, Nah,
sure he's talking about you want to birken, she'll come
see me in jail. I said, I said, you willing
to bout her a birken and come see me, so
I said, my nigga, he's a sex worker, so anybody
could bother her. It's like a shoe. You go to
the store, you by the shoe. So that's nothing to
brand about it. Show me the girl that don't sell sex.
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He's convinced that you was cute and you was a
smooth talker and she liked the head what that girl?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, because half of the in that game, half of
their job is to infla your ego anyway. You know,
they gonna tell you you they guy youself, you speak
so nice and smell so good because you got some
money on the table.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
That's part of it.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Listen if you if you would have looked, if you
see that the episode when I when I git Joe
Button out the studio, I told him, I said, I'm
not one of them thirdworld puntry ventures that you fuck
with that you could just use these big words with
and they're gonna sit there and think it's true because
they don't know what the words right. I'm not that personal.
(26:34):
So he needs that. He has to deal with peabody
woman use women ain't come on, bro, give them an
academic testager see what they store. They ain't that right right,
there's no no fucking it's no coincidence that every girl
that you've had in the public since we known you
(26:54):
is some form of sex worker, you know what I mean.
So told me a nigga tweeted the other day, I
think tweet. He was like, damn, nobody fuck with Joe Butlers.
I said, show up. How the niggas talk about.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Like, yeah, you and so you, Yeah, you've been in
that damn man. So, what what do you think about
Charlemagne and Joe Budden's like ship? What you know, sometimes
they have I won't call it a beef. Charlomagne is
my brother. He don't look at it like a beef,
but there's something. What do you think about their relationship
Charlomagne and Joe.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Budden don't I don't really know what the relationship is.
I'm being honest, like, I don't really be asking Charlamagne
ship like that. But what I do know is that
Joe is like jealous a little bit from charlom Mary.
We feel like the Breakfast squad makes him look a
certain way or they might jump on hivy. You know,
(27:54):
He's not to say certain jokes too Conley, He's gonna
want to combat it. So I think that's the way
this thing is with Charlamagne and.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
So now here.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Right, yeah, yeah, but here here's the thing. So they
used to do content together. There was a clear relationship.
Something happened at the Spotify situation. I talked to Charlemagne
about it on my podcast, so he spoke a little
bit about, you know, kind of where he believes it
comes from. Where they just that the relationship is separated.
(28:34):
But it's interesting because if we're being honest, I don't know, though, Man,
what do you what do you think about it? Did
you ever see any of those Ends of the Year
shows that they did and ship together? Like, what do
you think about content when they do content together? I'm
trying to think, do it really hit? I know it's
too big, audiences, it's massive.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I can't really speak on it honestly because I don't
like boss, which I really don't speak on right, I
don't really like broadcasts. I listened to some clips and
get the substance of it. I got a short attentions
stand so listening a whole hour and a half and
something that's like really interesting and I'm not really interested
(29:15):
in music, like I like it, like we can talk
about some ship real fast, but then it'd be like,
all right, bus after you rap and shit like that.
Not for me. And it's not that it ain't for me.
I just don't feel I had substance the way songs
are such a stick for years later. Were just singing
Rodny Rick song the other day, I think some new
(29:35):
thuge he's on the jet. I'll say, yeah, that's a
good feeling record. That's she's gonna be playing the barbecues.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
TV is from that, right, yeah, I mean so it's
like you like, I mean, I'm the same way I don't.
I don't really consume a lot of music in my
conversations or anything. Don't really surround music a lot. But
because we're in podcasting right, when I look at Charlemagne
and Joe and them doing content, I'm looking at how
much money that that could be made.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
But I'm wondering was it was the juice worth to squeeze?
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
But you you see you you maybe you may be
having soul any of it, or or you like you said,
and not pay attention to it. But for me, I
wonder just always look at shit and wonder what it
is worth. Like sometimes I wonder if you was out,
what would you do?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
What what we can do? What that's worth? Like it's
so much money on the table. You dig what I'm saying.
So I'm always the.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
For I'm an innovator and creator. You know, if you
look at Joe, Joe's a copier, you know what I mean.
Like dun leader ship, right, you know. I started to
show what I tached to show the bike Slane. I
pitch you the complex a couple of backball and they
all do it. My producer was like, oh, what are
(30:49):
we gonna do? I said, We're still gonna shoot it.
And after we shoot it, we're gonna shot it back
to the niggas. Because you are a number. You're talking
to a whole bunch of people that don't have bision.
If your third eye is blind and you don't understand
and know how to take the person's words and visualize it,
you're always gonna think it's bullet. So I said, we're
(31:10):
gonna shoot this ship. We shot it, We sent it
the Complex, we sent to the vice Lander. Two hours later,
Complex keeping up his back, said they wanted it. We
ended up locking him a Complex and Vice Laying hit
me up the next day and they wanted it, but
we was already locked in and it was called the
Pull Up Attack thone. I only got to shoot one episode.
(31:32):
I did it with data from Atlanta. It's on YouTube.
I go to jail a couple of months later and
Joe Button had a Joe called the pull Up Whoa,
and I'm like, okay. Then getting mad, I just was like, oh,
he's copying me again, you know what I mean, because
(31:53):
he has an a tendency anytime somebody brings me up.
He'd be like, Oh, he's no one, but he always
talking about me, right, No, I'm someone I always re
threat to you. You get a million followers. When I
first seen you, you still got a million followers, and
I was still doing over up maybe eighty thousand more
views than you ever, you know what I mean? So
(32:15):
I listen. I used to tweet this post out for
MTV two put out and they just basically just like, yo,
who has the best podcast at the time, And I
was like, yo, oh matter fi, I'm got the majority
of the vote. There was me drink Champs. I named
(32:36):
this podcast Lady Elliott Wilson and the reason I posted
recently was because he was talking about how I wasn't shit.
I'm like, no, you could say I'm not shipping now
I've been going for eight years. Yeah, outside you couldn't.
You couldn't talk about a podcast with out here in
my name. You couldn't present your podcast without somebody saying, yo,
(32:59):
do what about pack star.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That's a fact, that's a whole like I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Stepping on your knee. The people voted that, two too
tweeted that, and it was only about because you see
at the bottom of the Polish only like sixty hundred
people voted. But how do I end up eighty percent
of the vote out of all of y'all? So don't
try to the little need that make it seem like, oh,
he wasn't doing you. I just came out of prison.
(33:26):
I started podcasting, and I was doing a long shows
with fifteen hundred people pulling up listen.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
To me talk, right, And that's what I'm telling niggas,
and that that's the that's the blueprint, right. So what
I like about it and how I'm building man is
the same way whereas like be able to hold this
thing down by yourself, man, you know what I'm saying,
you and one person if you got a guess, but
if not be able to crank up and have some
shit to you know, pulling to the coach. I think
(33:53):
a lot of these niggas just be talking. But yeah, nah,
that's crazy, bro, that's yo, Bro, that's wild man like that.
How do you feel when he be saying like you're you're,
you're irrelevant and ship like that, Like do you feel.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
It about that? First of all, what's irrelevant irrelevant is
to you? But how could a person be irrelevant if
his names only be a mouth. That's like me saying
here irrelevant. He can't be irrelevant. I'm always talking about
the niggah. So it's like, let's be honest. So it's
like you can say whatever you want to say. Your
(34:32):
issue with me is that I'm such a strong thought
that I've been down for eight years and I still
say something there, Bob, break your yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
And you know what, when when I think about podcasting,
really it was you him nor New York was cluttered
for a minute.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
You know what I'm saying, He really got it by itself.
Because Charlemagne ain't a podcaster. He's a mogul.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
So he really got it by itself when he come
to partcas As.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
The noise is in Florida. Now, you know what I'm saying,
you're no longer there. It's really now just Joe Butden
running around. You know, when y'all all was up there,
he can feel that pressure. The pressure was on you
know what I'm saying. It's a different thing now.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, So that's basically what it is. The nigga's a
wayn Yeah, I know they. I just don't respect men
who always got something to say about somebody. When you
see them, it's a whole different speech.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
So it's like, well you ca they you know, they
said you had got him punched out? What's that about?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Man? I didn't get that nigga punched out somebody. Just
that was a thing. The nigga DM then told me
he was like, yo, I just sumped your button in
the club. Yeah. I was like, well, he was like, yeah,
I've been fucking with your ship for years. I said,
all right, thank you, two thumbs up.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, that's funny. That's funny. He get active though, but.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Heah, but you don't look at it. This is the
same character. You gotta listen to what this guy says.
He got snuffed ball who ran, He got snuffed by
comedy ran. He got snuffed by this guy in the club.
He fought two seconds and then he decided to run.
This guy runs his mouth and he runs a lot.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
He ran in the club that night.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
He ran and didn't even have to. It was a
straight visible hand altercation. So that was my issue with
him because he told me I was running from a
nigga that had a done on me. I said, I
thought you were supposed to run when a nigga got
a gun.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Fuck you telling me you?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I thought that was stating operating procedure.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Cold and conduct.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Man. So I'm like, if you're running from niggas with fish,
what the fuck are you gonna do with a nigga?
Pull a gune out with you, brother? Yeah, you he
just dont himself.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
He never like he fought that night though he had
a broke hand and no he he he didn't have.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
No broken He fucked that dude for two seconds. He
didn't need ahead of Actually, my man said, Yo, he
looked kind of good. Now, I will tell you somebody
he's brought. He fought big bets, which is Nicky Minaj's security.
Now what I did for his image? I tweeted out
(37:29):
Joe Button just had a fight with Big be Well,
my man, Big these people didn't know who he was
at the Bob Dang. Big Bees told me I'll beat
up three of Joe Button's friends. I fought Joe Button last.
He said, I'm not pull along. He almost took me
(37:49):
because I was tired his half from beating up with
other three friends. So he's still beating the auk though,
And the dude gets on his podcast and say beat
your man ass, But why you and telling him that
when you was doing that Nicki Minaj's interview up there
and they had you on the pressure because that was
(38:09):
the Bees.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
That had you sitting there, had sitting there.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
What did you ever see podcast with Nicki Minaj first
one up Joe butten ship.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Oh when she was calling them niggas out like she
was helped there hot she was mad with the yellow
Bees Bees was there.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I was been doing that he fought that night and
you ain't saying none of that, But you get into
a passionate ran about me on the internet and you say, yeah,
and I beat.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
This man up.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You talking about.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Mmmm, so he talking.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, we talking about right, but you know he's gonna
see big bees and change the.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Story because he didn't. He wasn't specific.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
That's what you mean when you say you got vocabulary,
play with the words and ship.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
I didn't say exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Worn semantic juniors, right, but these know that's what he
was talking about. Because who else you talking about? You
ain't never fought nobody else?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I know, right when when you talk about when you
talk about your case at this point, can it affect anything?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Well, I still haven't really discussed my case. You know.
The only story people know is whatever a boy said
on twenty interviews, Right, you know what I mean. It's
I'm not a liberty legal lead to do it. You
know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (39:33):
When I fight, my case is in court, so you know,
And that was my issue with a lot of these
podcasters as far as the math pop was academics and
just I said recently, I said, I was so happy.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
To see academics catch that sexual charge. And the reason
is is because when mean time somebody bought a case,
you was highly opinionated all kinds of fake shit, nothing
is real, and it could affect these people in court
and you weren't mindful of it. But now that you
(40:08):
have a chase, the media should talk about your chase
every day. But you should know how it feels. Cause
I don't think academics, right, nobody, but what do I know? Right?
Let's keep discussing it, though, because you know how it
feels when somebody accuses you of something and you feel like, yo,
I didn't even do that, but you sitting there stowing
(40:31):
everything negative about it.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, and not only that, you assuming, and a lot
of it you're speculating.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
So you're going you're not going off stock.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, they're breaking it down and going all in the
muddy waters and make somewhere in there say allegedly or
I don't really know. But you're discussing this shit in length,
and this shit clearly can affect the minds of people
that have to digest the information of these cases.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
You know what I mean? So it can swaye people.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Man, exactly. And that's the thing. So like you got
to do like man Hoka who starts podcasting about me
while I'm doing my trial, just lying on me about
a whole bunch of stuff, and his whole he could
never tell nobody what his vis. He can't say, yo,
be for tax your beef for taxes that you did
(41:23):
a video asking you are around to suspend the battle rapers,
she jumped, let's set in return. This dude is posted.
He walked around bully in the whole bat place, beating
everybody up, and he didn't want to be suspended. But
(41:43):
the moment niggas put hands on you, you want them
to suspended. It's your plot was whatever it was. And
then next thing I know, he was inviting me to
his block. I come to the door block, he don't
come outside. So now all of that rappers use that
against him, and now he's trying to make it seem
like we have some wining, deeper beetle than we had.
(42:07):
So I'm sitting here trying to find out one day
why he said something about my family like oh, you know,
like like niggas can't get to his family, and that
was such a confidence statement and blazing because not too
many people know who my family is. So I was
sitting back like that was like that was called the
(42:28):
crazy I love you right, And then what I did
was I paid a private investigator to follow him. And
then I then found at that moment that the girl
that he deals with now is a friend of mine
for many years, a many years. This is my friend,
(42:50):
no no sense. I probably was eleven years old, Jennet
the girls in the videos with him, and it just
broke my heart because I said, what did this girl
tell us, dude? Because out of everything you told that,
you had to leave something else because he's highly confident
talking about me, so you had to leave apart my
description outright. It bothered me because it's like, oh, you
(43:18):
don't like me because you feel like I had my
big and your girl ass. This is the issue here.
You know that your girl like a rob dick with
her and you feel like she might have did it
to me, so you you want to keep coming at me. Bro,
I don't even got no beef with you. Don't got
(43:39):
no beef with that girl. Even had an argument with
that girl. So I was confused. So now you might.
I know this girl's whole family still follow some of them,
and I'm sitting there like, yo, what did Jita do?
What did she stay to this dude? And Jenna was
(44:02):
in jail and I see to her sister. She said,
I'm not talking to her right now, and I said
what is she doing in jail? She said, oh, she
was working somewhere in did some fraud with the jail whatever.
I don't know this door for being like this even
going to jail. So I was coming to hurt flud.
Want to do the letter, I said, Yo, when you
(44:25):
come home or got you? I the flowing out. She
was coming home on flor a month so a lie.
I was like, Dad, JENNI probably coming home right. She
had a fat ass, he's pretty. So today she comes home,
she comes to me and I give her some beans.
You know. I gave her the bands out of my
(44:46):
pocket and then whenever bands I get to have in
my pocket. I took her to the bank and took
it out the ATM. And she told me that day,
she said, I love him so much because none of
my friends, no nobody in my family, no brother, no sister,
get anything from me. So we see him standing there
(45:09):
with this dude that has so much to say about me.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I'm like, Dane, Yeah, but you know what so I
think you're speaking about.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Because I did find this interesting is that when Math
had those interviews with Troyl, he would say stuff like
an enemy of my enemy is my friend and your
scenario with Troy alf especially at that time, was totally
different than your scenario with math Hoffler. That was pretty
(45:43):
much some internet shit that that's what I'm saying, that's.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
What you want to call me. You want to earn
me as an enemy. That's kind of fucked up. I
think you should just continue your career and take me
off that list. Yeah. Nah, I don't want to be
his enemy. You want to be my enemy is just
because that's what duds in the dude.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
But I think when he was interviewing him at that time,
I think that was more that was more so his
his his outlook on it is like, Yo, me and
this dude got problems.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
You and that dude got problems. I'm gonna sit you there.
But you know, like you're saying, I.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Expect that birds of a feather flock together, but they
also get plucked together too, and we love chicken over there,
so it's like, no tears about them types of dudes,
quicken up. We expect that. I'm seeing a photo one
time on the internet all the rappad and like seven
(46:43):
dudes I've had problems with. They was all together, right,
and a female was underneath the comment and she said
only people who know tax with nobody's picture is the
funniest picture in the world because taxes viole, lady, every
single one of them, right, And they trying to form
(47:04):
the Avengers. And I'm like, damn, look at me, professor,
exciting in a wheelchair with all these people trying to
get me.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yo, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Now, So why won't you make it be trying to
beat him? A proople so much? Right, if you want
to make sure you take legs again, I got legs.
I got to go back to being crippled because when
I was just walking out there, y'all was cripple.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
And so they prohibit you from being able to speak freely.
But he can speak.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
You know, he's working with the government. Well, you have
a deal with the government. You don't have a case,
so you would talk. If I had to deal with
the government, I would have never I would have never
had to go to try So I was people and
I had people say, Yo, you think tex, don't try
it the moment you think that, you should have raced
it out your head because he would be here and
(48:07):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Right the end, it's that deep.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
I wouldn't have to go to trial if I told
on the right it was only one.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Person that want the trial out of this incident and me, Yeah,
and you didn't use the self defense of any of.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
That, Like, well, there's no self defense in New York.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
There's nothing like it.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
And that's why it's a horrible place.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
They have some.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Shit called justifiable homicide, right, and the reason and the
way you and the way you fight it all right,
the law states that you have to prove that you
tried to retreat it. You have to prove that you
tried to call the police. Anyone has been in any
type of incident, you know that these incidents the last second, right,
(48:55):
So it's kind of hard to retreat sometimes, and it's
kind of hard to get to your phone to call
the police. So this is why New York is such
a dangerous place, right, because it's like you cannot protect yourself.
This is why I'm gonna be falling of moving to
a red state as soon as I get out.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, that's that's some interesting shit, man, that's some interesting
shit because for me, you know, when I look at
the documentaries and the think pieces that that goes on
about the night, so many people are saying that yo,
that these guys said I'm about to get off or
I'm gonna do something to him. It's like, if that
is the case, you know what I'm saying, then when
(49:37):
does this turn into me just trying to make sure
that they don't they don't finish me.
Speaker 6 (49:43):
You know what I'm saying, listen, and no state what
I'm be in jails of the state man, he admitted
that him and the dude agreed to get at me.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
He said he waked his I at him and then
done went to attack me.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
That's to me when I heard him say that, because
he said that before, and I'm like, okay, when does
that turn into them approaching this case with that behavior
and trying to harm somebody like and that turns into
self defense? But you're saying there's no law to protect that.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
There's no law like the instant we was going back
to a while. These laws are racist, right, every big
city and the municipality in the country that had too
many Democrats, they outlawed guns, and it's harder for you
to get a gunsh to call on Angelas New York.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
The reason is is because we don't want these educated
blacks walking around with these guns. Right, we gonna turn
the law and a fellow in the possession of a
weapon do government for the country. Now, new York State,
you couldn't get a gun unless you can pool that
you carried every large amounts of money in your deadness.
You needed so many community people are right for you
(51:01):
to get a gun license. The federal government just changed
that and they brought it back to the regular gun
laws because they know that that law was racist the
Supreme Court. So now in New York you can actually
go get a gun j and that you go your
permit out and you can go get a gun. Right.
(51:22):
But that's what they still do not make the law
to protect the people who have the legal gun. So
meaning you have a legal gun, are guys in the
fat who tries to rob you, you turn around, shoot them.
You locked up for murder because there's no law to
(51:43):
protect the person who has the legal gun in New York. Fever,
not just not just the higgle with illegal gun. They
won't have the lord to protect the niggle with the
legal guns. Prosecuted distruction to say, well, he got a
legal government.
Speaker 4 (51:58):
And he said that this god did that I'm bad,
and that depends on who you are.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
Who does it end up on.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Exactly? Damn? You know.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
And also when I hear when I hear him speak
about the case, you know, I know people give him
some kind of props. You know, I beat him up,
took his gun. But my thing is, if that was true,
if you asked me, you would have been shot. If
if if you had a team, you got a lot
of yeah, Like if I beat you up and take
(52:32):
your gun and you right here in front of me,
you a shot man, you know what I yeah, yeah,
So I didn't understand that part of it. I'm like, Yo,
something happened in between that, because it ain't no way
for you to say I beat him up and took
his gun, Like that's for me, it didn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
You know what I'm saying. So when I hear it only.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Takes one second if you think a gun out of
persons saying for you to be able to pull the right.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
Yeah, shit, that's easy that you know.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
That's that's just the part of a story that might
end up in the area, that might come out someday.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
Right, But you know that's his story, right right.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
You don't even rap right, Yeah, but I'm saying it
got to make sense too, just like when I look
at the young and they stuff like you know, they
they claiming certain stuff, and I'm like, yeah, but the
math ain't mathing if you're asking me though, some main't
you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't think no
niggas drove from three hours to do that and got
back on the road, like I don't know like that.
(53:32):
That don't sound good to me, but maybe it happened,
you know, I don't know. But sometimes, like you said,
the rap community, they glorified it.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
That ship, and so they stand on it. I don't
really understand it.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, but you know, well, you know, Vounce's coming to
a lot of these niggas when they see the video,
it's like, oh, he was busting Histone and that's the
same way, but way once he realized that you actually
go to jail for doing it, and he's never been
(54:07):
to jail, so they look at me like I'm the
wrong person. Oh, this dude been in jail for violence.
This dude only been licensed as well, right, so you know,
and even being from New York, like I'm full of sures,
guys don't have a record in New York. But for
you to see that she was in the streets he
was in.
Speaker 4 (54:30):
Yeah, to me, this is a police state.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
New York is a police state for every fucking corner.
Speaker 4 (54:37):
Yeah, and you you was doing all this, you know,
it's like you gotta be mom of it.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
He says two different things. He says that I came
in there and shot every single person. The district attorney
goes with this. He says he beat the ship out me.
They go with it. My thing is he didn't junk.
(55:09):
It wasn't no you beating shot out me. It was
beating the shout out me. And in the midst of
y'all beating and shout out me, y'all lost right. I
went home and then what's a landed? The next day
they go do the come up with dayDay and y'all said,
(55:29):
Tom in the hospital, Now, how do you spend time
in the hospital? Is where everybody's lying at. This is
where he's doing trying to protect hisself in others. Because
there was four DNA's on that DOUN the person who
died and me and two unknowns bom DNA and two unknowns.
(55:56):
Is only because these dudes haven't a feelings, so they
don't have to do a right right. So how do
y'all come to the common ground that I'm the only
one to use this weapon right? Because it fits an arrative.
They had to beef on the internet. His friend guy,
(56:17):
he was with him, so he didn't shoot his friend.
Hacks had to shoot his friend. Oh yeah, so this
is what's going on. Me. I'm not from where we
sit behind the courtroom and talk to the shoot a ms.
I'm not from where discuss stings with the police. I'll
(56:39):
discussed it with my lawyer, and I allowed a lawyer
to fight because he's an officer of the court. You
know what I mean. You can't hear the down, Hey kid,
this is this dude put out a letter and said
Tack snitched on me. When I see everybody's hitting me
(56:59):
on the compute on the edge, yo, bro, niggas is saying,
Troy a p paperwork out on you. I said, how
the fuck did he purple work out on me? And
the case ain't even stopped, right, I wasn't even in
Danny day, right, so how would it be paperwork? Although
that is a gun charge right now? So my lawyer
(57:20):
put a bell assessment let in, and he said it's
two parties involved in his crime, Roland cons which is
Troy ad Gall Campbell, which is taxed doone. And he
basically said, this guy is on camera shooting and he
got caught with three guns after why does he get
(57:43):
a bat and my client got hold with no guns
and my client was never shooting on camera. There's no
evidence of him ever shooting. How does he hang up
with no bat? But this guy ends up with a
bet it. This guy then says I snitched on him
(58:06):
by saying he was shooting in the Knot club. Anybody
sent you shooting in the nightclub? My nigga, you're on camera.
Are you gonna go in court and say that's not you? Listen?
You understand? And then you have thirty thousand sheep like,
I only shit you, right, sir? He just told on you.
(58:29):
No tell him is offering information in the criminal investigation
on my own instormation, you understand. So I remember one
day I got pulled over with my phone. He had
a gun on him. He told me I don't got
no gun on me. I came up the store with
two Dutch Masters and the police sitting with the Dutch
(58:51):
masters and said, I know y'all got weeding the car.
When they go to search for the weed, I see
it my man face that he might have something else
in the all. I said, bro, what happened? He said,
y'all got the gripping there? I said, why the fuck
would you had the grip in the car, knowing when
he was going to this hot ass store. You better
(59:14):
let them know that that shit is yours. Because I
turned myself in, brought a gun charge in six days, right,
we'm blowing to prison. So the police found a gun
and they go to him and they say he was
the driver. They say, yo, who's gun is this? He
(59:36):
said his mind? He said, who's gone? He said his mind.
Then the dude comes to the back of the car.
He says, mister Campbell, who's gun is this? I said,
he just told you who gun it was, And this
is my statement. Yeah, this nigga locked up five of
(59:58):
men agains and he tells people your text tole on.
So they shows people the statement of me saying that
the cops he already told you what it was. So
this is one.
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
This is on the scene of the crime exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
This is on the scene of the crime,
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