October 8, 2024 • 40 mins
This week, Tommy is joined by actor Thomas Doherty who is currently shaking things up in Season 2 of the intoxicating drama, Tell Me Lies. You know and love Thomas from so many fan-favorite projects like the Descendants franchise, the Gossip Girl reboot, Dandelion, The Invitation and so many more. But now he plays Leo, the charming newcomer who finds himself in the middle of Lucy (Grace Van Patten) and Stephen’s (Jackson White) toxic past. Tell Me Lies has been crowned as one of today’s most bingeworthy shows, and audiences can’t get enough of the intense drama that unfolds week after week. Today, Thomas opens up about how starring in the Descendants films changed his life, what those years meant to him, transitioning from a more family-friendly network to the next chapter of his career, the one role he would love to reprise from his past, what it was like acting in some of those wild and racy scenes in Gossip Girl, the conversation he had with Ed Westwick about playing a role loosely inspired by his original Chuck Bass, the intensity of working on a show like Tell Me Lies, forming his chemistry with co-star Grace Van Patten, the finale that the audience isn’t going to be ready for, why he isn’t big on setting goals and rather live in the present, and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with
me Tommy di Dario. I feel so much cooler after
just being in the presence of today's guest, because he
is pretty spectacular. The talented actor Thomas Doherty joins the
show who You Know and Love from so many projects
like the fan favorite Descendants franchise, the Gossip Girl reboot,
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and now Who Lose intoxicating drama Tell Me Lies, the
Internet has crowned. Tell Me Lies is one of the
most bingeworthy shows to get lost in now Thomas. He
has joined season two of the show, which is out
right now, and he's already become a character audiences cannot
stop talking about. And while we cover so much of
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his brilliant work, today we uncover a bit more of
who the human is behind all of his amazing roles.
So let's see if today we can get Thomas to
say something that he has never said before. Tom So,
are you my friend?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'm good man, I'm good? Are you?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I am fantastic? It's good to see you. You're feeling
good today?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I am I'm feeling good. I mean we were just
talking that the traffic in New York is awful, right,
now it's awful. So I had to get out my
uber in cycle pretty much Manhattan, so I'm a little
bit hot.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But you really did You hopped on a bike and
came here. Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh I don't know that.
Yeah yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, that's why I don't have arms like your on
the cardio because I'm always late.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You're doing just fine, just fine. Well, welcome to the show.
Hopefully you can relax for a bit. Now. I've got
to start by asking you. And it's a question I
don't think I've ever asked anybody before because I've never
seen this before. But in your Instagram bio, it says
that you are a grocery store.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't know how to change that.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I don't know, I don't know how to change not
something like deeper with I literally after this show, please
can you show me how to change it? Because I
don't know how to change it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So that's an accident, complete accident. Oh my god. I'm
going to help you out.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Maybe maybe we should come up with something deep.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I thought it was just like really meta reason why,
Like I don't know, I'm well varied or I have
many layers like fruit in the produce section. So I'm
here waiting for some deep answer. But it's an accident.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It's a complete accident, and I've tried multiple times to
change it, but I don't hire and then I get distracted.
Oh forget, so you run off again. So you've reminded me.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, there we have it, all right. I'm gonna help
you out if for no other reason that we were
supposed to meet, so I can explor that.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You go exactly and for me to lose. There we go.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I'm looking out for you man. Well welcome. I am
so excited to talk about your show that people are
just obsessed with right now. But before we get to that,
there's a few things we're going to dive into. I
like to ease our way into that conversation, and I
guess first, you know, my hat is off to you, man,
because you've had such a successful career and you've done
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so much I feel like in your career already that
people dream of, and you've accumulated this big following on
social right like four million on in. People clearly are
invested in Thomas' storty and want to know what you're
up to, what you're working on. And all the things.
But I'm curious, is there a certain project that you
feel like really turned your career into a different direction,
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Like did everything change with a certain project for you?
What would that be?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The way that I've always kind of looked at my career,
I mean I started off, I mean I was working
restaurants and stuff in Edinburgh, and just addition and and
just desperate I'd finish college and I was doing Yeah,
like I said, I was working in restaurants, and I
was going up and down from Edinburgh to London because
I couldn't afford to live in London. So I'd get
the train down or get a flight down all my
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days off and from the restaurant and do meetings and
do auditions and things. Hopefully aligned. My team's really good,
so they made it work, and then I'd come back
up on like a night bus or something and then
just go back to work. So it was kind of
I was really desperate to just like act, to just work,
and Disney came up and so I jumped at that.
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And since that moment, I'd always kind of seen my
career as like an apprenticeship. So everything that I've done
for so long is I've done some of the horror stuff,
the Disney thing, I did kind of a variation of
different things, but it wasn't until I did the movie
Dandelion that came out this year with Kiki Lane. That
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was a big kind of term for me, not even
necessarily in my career. It was more in my own
mindset because it was an indie film and tiny little
budget on it, but for me it was kind of
that was the moment I was starting to take the
reins on my own career. So yeah, I mean, honestly,
this year is when the kind of changes has happened,
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and it feels very good, it feels really empowering. And
then obviously tell me life it's come out and that's
just a different that's like a different level. But I
think it's a mindset change. It's just the mindset. It's
not to me anyway, it's not necessarily that the projects
per se that's super clumsy way of them.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
No, that's I actually love that answer because I think
most of us, in any career that we're in kind
of equate that moment that everything changed with a certain
project or a certain thing at work, whatever that job
may be, and you're here saying it's not that, it's
more of how I fell to doing the artwork that
I finally really wanted to step into. Yeah, and I
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think that's pretty damn cool.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's not intentionally to be feel empowered, but it certainly
is empowerment because then I'm taking ownership, I'm taking responsibility,
and I'm not putting it out onto something else that
I can't control.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right, you know, right, yeah, for sure. And you brought
up Disney. You brought up you know, the projects you
did for them, which were obviously the Descendants films. People
love them. You played Captain Hook's son and it was
a fan favorite role for many people from you. Do
you think about that time early on in your career
and just think like, wow, man, that was such a
cool experience. You ever reflect back on that?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I do, Like, I mean, I so I never grew
up with the Disney Channel. I never had that really no,
So I wasn't really aware of what it was gonna be.
And then I woke up one day and I had
like a million followers. I was like, what's going on?
This is mine? And I mean at twenty nine nights,
I don't know. My friends always take the mech out away,
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But it was amazing. It was such an incredible time.
I met some amazing people. I met a girlfriend, my
next girlfriend, and being able to work with people like
Kenny or Take and stuff was really really cool. It's
purely fond memories I have of it. But yeah, it
was definitely an amazing platform for me to start my career.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, it's one of those things that I feel like,
if it's on TV, people will tune in no matter what.
And to have that kind of on your resume and
be a part of a project like that, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, it was. It was really cool.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, you didn't have Disney growing up, which is wild
to me. You know, everyone just assumes, oh, everyone knows
that you watch it, you're a kid, but you had
no idea.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I didn't have it. No, I mean I've had like
four channels or something growing up.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah I didn't. I wasn't really aware of but and
luck I think fortunately I was like twenty when I
did it, so I wasn't young when I go into
the Disney thing, So I wasn't like a Disney kid.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, but it's still you know, you're still kind of
coming out of those teenage years. It's young in your
professional career.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, But I think I did definitely have
the foresight to see that it was you know, you
have younger people like they jump into it, and I
was like, no, this is this is an amazing opportunity,
this is an amazing experience, and it's an amazing platform
that I can utilize to honestly get to where I
am this year. Yeah, yeah, you know, And I've always
seen it as a as a marathon, not a sprint,
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and I'm on the first half mile of that marathon.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Those are some of the most successful people, in my opinion,
in the world is when you have that mentality, when
it's when it is a marathon and you are in
a US and you know that over time you'll get
to exactly where you want to be one day. I
think that's so powerful that you have that message now
at twenty nine. And you mentioned, you know, twenty years
old is when you kind of started the Disney World,
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But did you still feel like you had to shed
a persona leaving the Disney World? Was it hard for
you to transition out of that because sometimes you worry
if you're on a more family friendly network you're looked
at a certain way and you feel maybe stuck in
that mentality to certain people. Did you feel that was
it a hard transition getting out of that world?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
No, it wasn't. I mean I was I was already
older and I was from Scotland as well, so it's different.
The mentality is very different, and so I think I
was blessed with that. And I was taken to lunch
by one of the channel of people and they were
kind of like, can you like do the Disney thing almost?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And I was like, what does that mean? I don't
even know what that means. I mean the Disney thing
like smile with like a Mickey Mouse mascot.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I get. I think. No, it wasn't per se Disney.
If anything, it was just this kind of comfortability of
being the boy next door, you know, with the jaw line.
That's the thing that I was definitely trying to navigate
away from, trying to get away from that, not just
for the way that people see me, but the way
that I see myself, to get out of that comfort zone,
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because it's really easy to just kind of slip into
and be like cheeky, kind of Scottish jawline Yeah, just
bring it back to the work, Bring it back to
the work, Bring it back to the work, bring it
back to the acting, and then from that place your
things will happen. The right things will happen, you know,
And go back to marathon, not a sprint. It's definitely
why why sprint? If I what am I running toward?
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You know? Is it for the car? Is it for
the fame? Is it for the fortune? Is it for
the notoriety? Because if it is that, I know and
so many and not thousands of people have said it
enough already that I don't need to learn the lesson
myself that it's not going to make you happy. And
if I do achieve all of that, and I'm not
happy the most point of all of that, you know,
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So it's definitely just back to the acting, back to
the craft, back to the creativity, and back to this
stuff that feeds my soul that I love.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I feel like that's so much easier said than done.
And you make it sound really really attainable and easy
to have that mindset, But I imagine that's something you
kind of have had to work on over the years,
and we all slip sometimes into a mindset that we
don't want to be in right or have these thoughts
that we're like, oh, I don't want to think like that.
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But you seem pretty consistent in how you view your
career and life and the way you want to live,
which is pretty refreshing.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean absolutely not speaking from any moral high ground
then of course, like, yeah, you got hundreds of thousands
of people validating you on social media, you know, you
got that happens. I'm still human, It still impacts me,
it affects me, still enjoy it, but I know ultimately
that that's not the goal, and ultimately that's not gonna
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fulfill or make me happy, you know. And I think
it leads back to having to look at myself and
be honest with myself and my own insecurities and what
I need validated for or what I think I need
validation for, and I mean ultimately grasp the nettle and
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just learn to be able to do it do it
myself for myself. Yeah, because it's a weird industry as
you know, I mean, it's it's it's such a such
a balancing act between being personable and being approachable but
also don't come you know, it's like a really weird thing.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It's a funny line to straddle, right, and you you
want to please people but also be true to yourself. Yeah, yeah,
So it's learning how to navigate all of that with
authenticity and without compromising who you are.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So do you find that, I mean, because I can
kind of sit here and just be me, but you're
still responsible for a very successful podcast. Do you find
that as well? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, I think we all kind of deal with that, right,
especially as an interviewer, Like I share a lot about myself,
but I don't want to make it about me, and
I don't always want that to seem like an invitation
for people to find out things about me that maybe
I hold sacred. So it's finding the line between like
inviting people in but also knowing when there should be
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a hard stop on things that I don't exactly want
to talk about. Not that they're like these deep, dark secrets,
but I feel like everybody has to hold things close
to their heart. We need things for just us too,
you know. And my job, for lack of a better word,
is I want to bring people on and have real
conversations and make everybody feel comfortable and safe, but to
the level that they feel safe doing that. So yeah,
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it's very interesting, But it's about the work, Like you
keep saying, it's about the work. We do it because
we love the work. And speaking of work, you're somebody
who has played over the years, a few morally questionable
characters will say, do you have more fun playing someone
with a little bit of a bad side? Why?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Why do I like in that? I mean it's just
I mean why do like Halloween? You know? It's this
kind of I feel like every human has such a
potential or possibility to feel all types of different emotions
and think all types of different things. And so to
tap into something that's a lot more alien to me
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but still be able to personalize it and make it human,
it's really fun and really interesting to me. I mean, yeah, like,
who gets to go dress up as Dracula for three months?
I get paid for it, you know, But then also
like humanize that person and and try and like fall
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in love with that person who's so bad. You know,
it's it's it's strange. Does mess with your head a
little bit sometimes.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But yeah, but I imagine that's so good. You're good.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I don't think I'm a umpire, but.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I imagine that's so rewarding as an actor to step
into these roles that are so different from you, at
least I think so different from you.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, when you look back at your collective work in
this world and day and age of nostalgia that we
live in, if you could reboot any role you've played,
which role would you pick?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I would love to do High Fidelity again. Yeah, yeah,
I'd love to do that. I don't know why. I
think to the second season. I think it was such
Did you watch it? I haven't seen that one? It's
really good. Did you watch it?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It was that one? Where did that? Where did that air?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It was on Hulu? Hulu? Did you was it? Yeah?
It's good?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
How did I miss that? When did that come out?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Twenty eighteen? Eighteen, twenty nineteen? Zoe Kravitzkay, so have you
seen the original film?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So it's a film except gender swapped. It was like flipped.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I don't want to put anyone on last year. But
maybe the marketing of it could have been a little better,
because I am just saying I didn't know. I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I'm working with Hulu right now.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
We love you, Hulu, we love you. But no, that's
something I will add to.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
My Yeah, it was it's really really good. But anyway,
I had a small part in that, but I just
had the best time working with Zoea and with David
and everyone else, and it was just, yeah, it was.
That was my first experience in New York. Okay. I
came out here because I was living in LA at
the time from my sins as I like to say,
And I came out here and I was like, if
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I got a chance to live here, I'm gonna jump it.
And then gossip Girl happened. But I was out here
for just five weeks, six weeks, living in green Point,
and just had the best time, had the best time,
and so when Gossip Girl came up, I just jumped
at it. Yeah, and I've been here ever since four
years on the twentieth.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It was so you feel like a New Yorker now.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I'd never I can never say that one day were you.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I'm originally from New Jersey, but I've been here for
over two decades. I mean I went to college here
and never left.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Really. Yeah, your garden state, gal.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Garden state, that's right, That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So you could see you're in a New Yorker I
know I.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Am a New Yorker now, I lived in New York
longer than I've lived in New Jersey. Okay, yes, sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I just know New Yorker's Yeah, a bit tak to
they do.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But I will say, because you're to Gossip Girl, I
feel like that speeds up your New York citizenship. You
were in Gossip Girl, which, by the way, that show
when it was originally on, I was, you know, probably
young twenties, and as you.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Know, twenties, you look amaze.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Thank you on thirty held Am I thirty seven?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Not thirty seven? I lied him thirty eight.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I'm at the age.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Where I don't know my age, but I remember I
love that show so much, and here you are, you
get to reboot it. Yeah, I take it you probably
didn't watch it prior to the reboot.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I didn't, So now you're in this world.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I mean I watched it prior to filming it.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Right, but not in real time in real time of
course not. So that must have been a fun experience.
Aside from the art and the work, just being in
New York and having that be such a character for
that show.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, it was. I mean, like, what an introduction to
like live moving to living in New York is going
to say every day and like being on the mid
Steps and then you'd beat the Guggenheim and then you'd
be all these like places. It was like it was
like a nine month two of New York. Yeah, where
you got to do what you love to do and
also got paid.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It was amazing. It was really cool. And then playing
the character of Max was so fun, really was really fun.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
He was wild, he was a wild, couch wild he
was he was things your character got into that wasn't
in the original Gossip Girl. We'll say that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I remember I auditioned for Eli's part for Obi and
they were like, no, no, this doesn't work. You're you're
this guy. And then I read that guy and I
was like, Jesus, am I that guy? But you dove
in and I dove in and I became that guy.
Threples and things, the whole thing. It was everything. I
remember when we were I think the second season, I
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think there was not okay, I say orgy. It was
an orgy on set in the scripts clarify, I'm like
pr is like sweating back where's this going.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
It was on set in the show.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
And yeah, I was There's just loads of naked bodies
line around and stuff, and I was sitting on the
couch and it was just panning shot. They kind of
captured all of them, and then eventually it pinned up
to me just sitting there and then they're like I
cut and so everyone like got up and like got
their stuff on, got the rubes on, and I was
just sat there and they were like, do you want
your rule? But I was like, honestly, I mean we're
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two years in. No, I'm fine, everyone's seen everything. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
You had no shame at that point, No.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Shame, shameless, shameless, And I know that was a really
really cool job today.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, I imagine. I imagine. I was actually shocked when
it got canceled because I know it had such a
ferocious following and people really loved it, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah. I mean it's always hard though, when you try
and reboot something that's just perfect. As someone put on
my Instagram.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Well do you want to hear my theory? When the
original came out, it was so shocking for the time,
the things that were featured in that show. We weren't
seeing on television, and then for the reboot, while it's
still shocking for TV, I feel like kids these days
are doing a lot of different things and maturing faster,
so maybe it wasn't as shocking for them, you know
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what I mean. Yeah, the content was amazing, and the
acting was amazing, the scripts were amazing, and New York
was amazing, and I just wonder if, like the shock value,
which was part of the first one, wasn't so much
part of this one.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, absolutely, and not even yes that And also when
you watched it, I mean what you had to tune
in at eight pm every Thursday, and then you go
to school or work and talk about it, you know,
and you had your shows and they came on at
a specific time, whereas now the streamers just thousands of things,
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you know, and people are watching different things, and I
think it's just so saturated now that that shock factor
just didn't come through, coupled with the fact that there's
so much shock fact right there now, and then they've
got social media, and you've got eight year olds of
social media. So don't you even think, yeah, it didn't
have that same thing.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
When you got the role or throughout any point of
filming the role. I know your character is not a
direct model of Chuck Bass, but I feel like there
was a little inspiration there. Yeah, I saw some glimmers
of him through your role. Different, but some glimmers. Did
you ever talk to Ed Westwick or.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Actually we were in We're in Saudi Arabia. Actually, yeah,
we were at the Red Sea Film Festival and lovely,
lovely guy, really lovely guy. I wasn't really expecting him
to be so nice, but just really cool, really chill,
and I was telling him that I was basically playing
him in a reboot. I just wanted to kind of
I wanted to take some of Chuck but then but
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make it lighter, make it cheekier, because I remember when
I was watching it felt quite like heavy, and the
characters were both written quite dysfunctionally, but different types of dysfunction,
and so I thought the cheekiness lended itself better. Talking
about chock value though saying that it doesn't really exist.
I love how I'm just like plugging myself here, but
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I feel like tell me lies is quite shocking.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, and your character is there's more to him that
meets the and there's things that are going to be revealed.
I have a feeling. I don't need to brewin anything,
but I have a feeling we're going to learn a
little bit more about him. And yes, tell me lies.
Season two is out. Now you join the cast for
season two. So for everybody listening who maybe hasn't caught
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up with the show, how would you describe it?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I was hoping.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I like to hear it from the artist, how you
perceive the world? Your grace here or Jackson?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I need one of them. I'm here. They're good at that.
I'm really blind at that. Okay, tell me lies. If
you've never watched it, it's on Hulu. It's basically a
young girl she goes to college and she gets herself
intertwined in this toxic relationship with this incredibly unsavory character
and into a friend group that's very dysfunctional, and it's
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about kind of their way of going through college, watching
them go through college and just making a mad Yeah, yeah,
that is that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I think you nailed it. Yeah, I think you nailed it.
And you played Leo and then.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Leo comes and that's me season two and I start
to get feelings for Lucy, who's played by Grace from Patten,
who's this young girl that I was talking about. We
get sent to this dysfunctional relationship with Steven played by
Jackson White All, but I come along and save her,
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save her from him.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So we think are doing right right, we have to
see Yeah, but you're kind of the new the new
guy on campus, shaking things up. Indeed, yeah, uh huh,
stealing her away?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I am yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Again, you play these characters that have a little sass. Well,
uh uh huh. Well, people are loving your role. They
love you as as part of the show. Was joining
season two of a very successful show with a very
tight knit cast. Intimidating for you because I kind of
equate it to being a new kid in a new
high school, right, you the brand new kid in town.
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You're entering a school where people already have friend groups
and they're established in their ways. And here I am.
Everybody nice to meet you, like me, be my friend.
Do you feel that we're joining a successful shower now? No?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Not really, It's different. I mean you're working with professionals,
you know, and you definitely well, I go in with
a professional mindset, and I mean they we all were
absolute professionals and it's nerve racking. You're nervous going into,
like you say, a well established cast, but no welcome
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with open arms. And I love the character and I
love working with Megan Oppenheimer, who's a showrunner. She's amazing,
She's such a hit, so fun, and most of my
scenes are with Grace. And I actually worked with Grace's
little sister gossip Girl and Gossip Girl, and I remember
asking Anna, I was like, what's sister like? She was like,
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you's me, of course you.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
You're give me the dirt.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
And before my chemistry reads in La, so I spoke
to me again. She was like, come out to La
and I'll do like a camera Reid with Grace. And
I landed and the day before I was I asked
my manager. I was like, did you reach out to
Grace's people so we can kind of meet up before,
just get coffee, just so I can like feel her
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energy and kind of get to know her before we
go in to the chemistry raid And she said yeah.
And I was really expecting to meet Lucy who's her
character and tell me lies. For some reason, I forgot
what we did for a living, and so I kind
of like went in and she was like, and I
was like, oh, she's adorable, and yeah, just from the
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get go, she's just such such a wonderful human. You
should really get her on the show. Honestly, it's just
the nicest person, so kind, so talented, and yeah, it
was just such a blast to shoot.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Do we think there'll be more of you to come
in future seasons? Am I allowed to ask that? I
don't know yet?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, I don't. I've not heard anything yet. I'm not sure.
I think they're still writing script, so okay, I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Know, but you know how your storyline ends.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I know him my storyline ends, and be will we
be surprised?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
What can you give me without ruining it?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I don't know if you're going to be surprised per se.
But it is intense.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Your storyline is intense.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, okay, it gets very intense. It's the most triggering
jewel in the world. I really think that. I mean,
I remember watching the first season and like, how did
you like take a little break and being like triggered,
And the word triggered implies like something similar has happened
to you before, and it's triggered. But none of that
stuff's ever happened to me before. It's just so intense.
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I was triggered. But as yeah, it Leo's storylines definitely
takes a and hence turn.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
But we don't know if you'll be back yet, no
announcement to me, not yet. Okay, all right, fingers crossed.
You would obviously like to be back because it seems
like you love this show and this project. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Absolutely, I mean, honestly, I love I love the cast,
and I love the character and there's a lot of
fun places to go with them. And yeah, Megan as well,
she's just such a hit. Honestly, she's so fun.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And what's so fun and interesting to me? And it's
what you do, so it shouldn't be like I guess
it shouldn't be a big deal at all. But you
and Grace our love interests. But her real life boyfriend, yes,
her ex on the show, right, yea, so like you're
acting opposite his girlfriend. But that's all normal for you.
There's never a like, oh this is kind of weird,
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or oh I hope he doesn't feel like I'm actually
into this, Like there's none of that, right or is
it kind of strange? I mean to tell us, because
this is such not a normal thing in our jobs.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Are you are you have you got a partner? Are
you married?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yes? I'm married.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Okay. If you had your husband here and you did
the same interview style as if you didn't know him,
uh huh, would that be weird? Hi, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, that would be weird, right, Yeah, but you're still.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Doing your job as you normally would. That's kind of
the closest I can equate it to what you were doing. So, yes,
it's obviously fictional and it's made up, but it still
is his girlfriend and you had to watch like a
couple guys kiss her, which is so I don't know
if I could do that.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Do you have the talk? Like, hey, man, like, I
know you know what we do for a living, but
just wanted to say there's nothing there, like do you
have that talk?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I can't remember if I did.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Do you just do your scenes and hope it's not weird,
run offset and go to your trailer.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Well that's an annoying thing as well, because I really
really liked Jackson and I really really really like Grace,
so I wanted to like hang out with Grace as well,
and I wanted to be buddies with him, so but not.
I mean, like I said to start off with, like,
they're professionals, you know, so even though it is unusual
and it is kind of strange, bless his heart and
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her heart as well, bless them both. But yeah, they're
just absolute professionals. And so it was it was fine. Yeah,
but I did feel I did feel so so weird
and so bad. It's just strange.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Just another day of work, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Just makeing out with his girlfriend and be like, yeah,
it's so weird. Our job is so strange, I know,
but yeah, try to it will be mine.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, it's all it's all about the work, all about
the worst.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Exactly, and then yeah, feel circle bring it back to
the work.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Thomas, you're somebody who strikes me as very grounded, very
aware of who you are while wanting to grow and
who you want to be and who you don't want
to be. More importantly, it seems like you really kind
of hone on that as a person and as an artist.
And I know you've said before that you don't really
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believe in or you're not big on goals, Like you
don't think that's a necessary part of humanity, right, Like
we don't have to always set goals. Talk to me
more about that.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
For what I do and for where I am, I
think it definitely takes it feels like it takes a
life out of it, speaks a spontaneity out of it.
And I think my job in my work is spontaneity,
you know, kind of reacting truthfully in a certain moment
and an experience. That's a hard question, man.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, goals, Yeah, I mean, it's it's very real.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Right, I think. Okay. I think maybe why I've said
that in the past is because maybe goals take us
out of the present moment. And I could see in
myself that there's always goals, goals, goals, goals, and trying
to have those goals like fix whatever traumas and dysfunctions
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were going on inside of me, and never stop and
never being able to just stop because then I'll come up,
you know, I don't like that We're going to drink goals,
and I was. I was forced to really kind of
just stop, and I think I realized again just for myself,
that goals were distracting me. It was a distraction, and
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it was a way to feel achievement or feel comfort
and validation by achieving goals. But I actually stopped and
I was like, wait, am I am? I Like, okay,
as I am? Do I need to like prove anything? Yeah,
a lot of people, you know, but I believe that
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every human is innately. I don't know if you're religious,
but I'm not religious. But I do believe in higher
power and God. I know that word's pretty muddy right
now these days.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
God can be whatever it means that.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
You exactly, and I believe that that God, higher power
doesn't make mistakes, you know. And I think the only
thing that takes us away from that is our egos,
in our in our own heads, and our desire to
more and more and more and more. I mean, especially
coming to America, if it became really apparent when I
moved over here, because what do you guys get like
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two weeks holiday, three weeks holiday a year or something.
It's like you live to work as opposed to back
in Europe. There's a mentality of your work to live.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I don't want to signed all preacher. I'm definitely not
the person to listen to take much life advice from.
But that's that's that's that's the way I feel and
again like I say, of course I have goals like yeah,
I'd love to have fucking big house one day and
for manimals or I don't know. I actually don't have
many goals. My goal actually is to get a car
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for winter.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I think what you're saying is it's not that you're
against goals and goal setting. It's just you try to
live your life by not always being focused on what's next.
And I feel you on that. I feel like there
are certain things I know I want to achieve, but
I also work very hard, to your point, to be
in the present and to allow life to happen. Because
some of the wildest things in my life and in
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my career have happened because I was just living. I
met someone, I got married. I never want to get married.
I never wanted that happened, you know. I got engaged
eight months after meeting him. Like, never could have planned that.
Not that I was against marriage, but I never wanted it.
I never thought I'd be sitting here in this job. Never.
This wasn't my plan.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
So you just your plan, but it was the plan exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
That was the bigger plan. So I'm with you one
hundred percent and I am very spiritual as well. I'm
not religious, but I'm spiritual and I believe in all
of the higher power in the universe and all of that.
So yes, I'm with you. There's one I feel like goal,
for lack of a better word, that I've heard you
want to achieve. And I heard then you might want
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to be a James Bond in the future.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I would you know what. I think we're well overdue
for a Scottish James Bond.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I think so too. Let's put it in the universe
right now. There you throw it in there, throw it
in James Bond coming right up?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
What was it? Sean Connery was the last scott shaking
much money? By name?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
There we go, There we go. I think you'd be
a great one.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I think they're trying to cast one that's younger so
they have them for like ten years.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Let's get on it.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, shave, there we go, TUXI to on.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Okay, I will be your personal manager to make this, yes,
because I could see it. I love it. Yeah, I
love it. I think you'd kill it, all right, So
that is one goal we'll set. Yeah, but or Villain, well,
we all know you like the dark love we all
know that. Yes, we know that, but okay, well we
put it out in the universe. Let's see what happens. Thomas.
To wrap up this conversation, the name of the show
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is I've never said this before, and I like to
finish by asking all of my guests a very simple
question based off the title of the show, which is,
what is one thing you've never said before? And I
know that you've done a lot of interviews over the years,
You've done a lot of press, But I'm wondering, is
there anything that comes to mind that maybe you would
(35:22):
want to share today? Whatever that means to you, whatever
that question means to.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
You, publicis shouting yourself. Honestly, when I got told the
name of the show.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I was like, sure, sure, but listen, your mind sounds
like it's going to some interesting places. But it's whatever
it means to you.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I've never said before. God, I don't know what I'm
going to say something that completely like a context. Okay.
I used to have the belief that everyone was innately
good underneath, but now I don't know if I believe
that that's deep I think good people can do. That's
(36:08):
just the first thing that popped into my head. So
I don't I think good people do bad things. I
think bad people do good things. And I was always
believed that people were good. But you know, I don't know,
what do you think?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I think, Wow, that's that. That is deep. I would
like to believe everybody's good, but I think through life,
through living, I've realized that's not always the case. I
like to see the good in everybody. I like to
give everybody a fair shot, but unfortunately, there have been
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people in my life where you can't do that anymore,
and you have to realize who someone is when they
show it to you. So to your point, I think
that's very interesting. I don't know if everyone's innately good.
I think you're born that way, but then you have
to make decisions in your life and choose to be
good and not everyone always does.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Well, that's the thing as well. Wait are you going off?
That's the thing as well. It's really kind of hard
because if someone is born not innately good, then what
they need is compassion because it's not their fault per
se for being the way they are.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
This is we can do a deep dive into this
because you're so right. I mean, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
You're a product of your environment. You're not always set
up for success, you're born into horrible circumstances. So yes
to all of that. But I do think that you
have to make decisions in life, and you have to
get to a point where you realize what's good and
what's not. And even if there's no one in your
life that is a good example for you, going back
to the higher power, I would like to think we
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all have something in us that does say that's not
the right decision, that's not the right move, and you
can fuck up. We all make mistakes, but if you
don't learn from them, that's where I think the problem is.
And that's why I say, I don't know to your point,
if I agree with you, I don't know if everyone
is innately good. I feel like we're Socrates and Aristotle right.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Here, fabulous ones, right, Yeah, that should be the name of.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Our show to philosop I'm off to a good start.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Two philosophers, a couple of arm chair philosophers.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
There we go, armchairful, off, arm cheerful, awful. You can
say the title of our show going forward. Clearly I
can't handle it, Thomas, Thank you, for hanging out. I am.
I'm such a fan of you as a person, and
I think you're It's always exciting for me when people
walk into my studio in my room and show me
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who they are beyond the artist, and because there's so
much more than our work and our jobs. And I
always say to people, you know, the guests I have on,
they're not their characters, so let's get to know them
in a different way, in a different light. And I
feel like we did that today, and I really appreciate
you hanging out. It's scary, yeah, it is, to get
in front of a mic and talk and have real conversation.
(39:07):
It can be scary. But hopefully I didn't scare you
too much. Yeah, you had a good time, Beautiful Blue Ears. Well, likewise, likewise, likewise,
thank you for hanging out. Your show Season two Tell
Me Lies is out now. Everybody catch up. The finale
is not too far away, and I hope we do
this again.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Absolutely, we'll see so thank you.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
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Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with
me Tommy di Dario. I feel so much cooler after
just being in the presence of today's guest, because he
is pretty spectacular. The talented actor Thomas Doherty joins the
show who You Know and Love from so many projects
like the fan favorite Descendants franchise, the Gossip Girl reboot,
(00:24):
and now Who Lose intoxicating drama Tell Me Lies, the
Internet has crowned. Tell Me Lies is one of the
most bingeworthy shows to get lost in now Thomas. He
has joined season two of the show, which is out
right now, and he's already become a character audiences cannot
stop talking about. And while we cover so much of
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his brilliant work, today we uncover a bit more of
who the human is behind all of his amazing roles.
So let's see if today we can get Thomas to
say something that he has never said before. Tom So,
are you my friend?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'm good man, I'm good? Are you?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I am fantastic? It's good to see you. You're feeling
good today?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I am I'm feeling good. I mean we were just
talking that the traffic in New York is awful, right,
now it's awful. So I had to get out my
uber in cycle pretty much Manhattan, so I'm a little
bit hot.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But you really did You hopped on a bike and
came here. Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh I don't know that.
Yeah yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, that's why I don't have arms like your on
the cardio because I'm always late.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You're doing just fine, just fine. Well, welcome to the show.
Hopefully you can relax for a bit. Now. I've got
to start by asking you. And it's a question I
don't think I've ever asked anybody before because I've never
seen this before. But in your Instagram bio, it says
that you are a grocery store.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't know how to change that.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I don't know, I don't know how to change not
something like deeper with I literally after this show, please
can you show me how to change it? Because I
don't know how to change it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So that's an accident, complete accident. Oh my god. I'm
going to help you out.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Maybe maybe we should come up with something deep.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I thought it was just like really meta reason why,
Like I don't know, I'm well varied or I have
many layers like fruit in the produce section. So I'm
here waiting for some deep answer. But it's an accident.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It's a complete accident, and I've tried multiple times to
change it, but I don't hire and then I get distracted.
Oh forget, so you run off again. So you've reminded me.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, there we have it, all right. I'm gonna help
you out if for no other reason that we were
supposed to meet, so I can explor that.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You go exactly and for me to lose. There we go.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I'm looking out for you man. Well welcome. I am
so excited to talk about your show that people are
just obsessed with right now. But before we get to that,
there's a few things we're going to dive into. I
like to ease our way into that conversation, and I
guess first, you know, my hat is off to you, man,
because you've had such a successful career and you've done
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so much I feel like in your career already that
people dream of, and you've accumulated this big following on
social right like four million on in. People clearly are
invested in Thomas' storty and want to know what you're
up to, what you're working on. And all the things.
But I'm curious, is there a certain project that you
feel like really turned your career into a different direction,
(03:14):
Like did everything change with a certain project for you?
What would that be?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The way that I've always kind of looked at my career,
I mean I started off, I mean I was working
restaurants and stuff in Edinburgh, and just addition and and
just desperate I'd finish college and I was doing Yeah,
like I said, I was working in restaurants, and I
was going up and down from Edinburgh to London because
I couldn't afford to live in London. So I'd get
the train down or get a flight down all my
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days off and from the restaurant and do meetings and
do auditions and things. Hopefully aligned. My team's really good,
so they made it work, and then I'd come back
up on like a night bus or something and then
just go back to work. So it was kind of
I was really desperate to just like act, to just work,
and Disney came up and so I jumped at that.
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And since that moment, I'd always kind of seen my
career as like an apprenticeship. So everything that I've done
for so long is I've done some of the horror stuff,
the Disney thing, I did kind of a variation of
different things, but it wasn't until I did the movie
Dandelion that came out this year with Kiki Lane. That
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was a big kind of term for me, not even
necessarily in my career. It was more in my own
mindset because it was an indie film and tiny little
budget on it, but for me it was kind of
that was the moment I was starting to take the
reins on my own career. So yeah, I mean, honestly,
this year is when the kind of changes has happened,
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and it feels very good, it feels really empowering. And
then obviously tell me life it's come out and that's
just a different that's like a different level. But I
think it's a mindset change. It's just the mindset. It's
not to me anyway, it's not necessarily that the projects
per se that's super clumsy way of them.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
No, that's I actually love that answer because I think
most of us, in any career that we're in kind
of equate that moment that everything changed with a certain
project or a certain thing at work, whatever that job
may be, and you're here saying it's not that, it's
more of how I fell to doing the artwork that
I finally really wanted to step into. Yeah, and I
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think that's pretty damn cool.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's not intentionally to be feel empowered, but it certainly
is empowerment because then I'm taking ownership, I'm taking responsibility,
and I'm not putting it out onto something else that
I can't control.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right, you know, right, yeah, for sure. And you brought
up Disney. You brought up you know, the projects you
did for them, which were obviously the Descendants films. People
love them. You played Captain Hook's son and it was
a fan favorite role for many people from you. Do
you think about that time early on in your career
and just think like, wow, man, that was such a
cool experience. You ever reflect back on that?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I do, Like, I mean, I so I never grew
up with the Disney Channel. I never had that really no,
So I wasn't really aware of what it was gonna be.
And then I woke up one day and I had
like a million followers. I was like, what's going on?
This is mine? And I mean at twenty nine nights,
I don't know. My friends always take the mech out away,
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But it was amazing. It was such an incredible time.
I met some amazing people. I met a girlfriend, my
next girlfriend, and being able to work with people like
Kenny or Take and stuff was really really cool. It's
purely fond memories I have of it. But yeah, it
was definitely an amazing platform for me to start my career.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, it's one of those things that I feel like,
if it's on TV, people will tune in no matter what.
And to have that kind of on your resume and
be a part of a project like that, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, it was. It was really cool.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, you didn't have Disney growing up, which is wild
to me. You know, everyone just assumes, oh, everyone knows
that you watch it, you're a kid, but you had
no idea.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I didn't have it. No, I mean I've had like
four channels or something growing up.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah I didn't. I wasn't really aware of but and
luck I think fortunately I was like twenty when I
did it, so I wasn't young when I go into
the Disney thing, So I wasn't like a Disney kid.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, but it's still you know, you're still kind of
coming out of those teenage years. It's young in your
professional career.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, But I think I did definitely have
the foresight to see that it was you know, you
have younger people like they jump into it, and I
was like, no, this is this is an amazing opportunity,
this is an amazing experience, and it's an amazing platform
that I can utilize to honestly get to where I
am this year. Yeah, yeah, you know, And I've always
seen it as a as a marathon, not a sprint,
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and I'm on the first half mile of that marathon.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Those are some of the most successful people, in my opinion,
in the world is when you have that mentality, when
it's when it is a marathon and you are in
a US and you know that over time you'll get
to exactly where you want to be one day. I
think that's so powerful that you have that message now
at twenty nine. And you mentioned, you know, twenty years
old is when you kind of started the Disney World,
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But did you still feel like you had to shed
a persona leaving the Disney World? Was it hard for
you to transition out of that because sometimes you worry
if you're on a more family friendly network you're looked
at a certain way and you feel maybe stuck in
that mentality to certain people. Did you feel that was
it a hard transition getting out of that world?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
No, it wasn't. I mean I was I was already
older and I was from Scotland as well, so it's different.
The mentality is very different, and so I think I
was blessed with that. And I was taken to lunch
by one of the channel of people and they were
kind of like, can you like do the Disney thing almost?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And I was like, what does that mean? I don't
even know what that means. I mean the Disney thing
like smile with like a Mickey Mouse mascot.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I get. I think. No, it wasn't per se Disney.
If anything, it was just this kind of comfortability of
being the boy next door, you know, with the jaw line.
That's the thing that I was definitely trying to navigate
away from, trying to get away from that, not just
for the way that people see me, but the way
that I see myself, to get out of that comfort zone,
(09:24):
because it's really easy to just kind of slip into
and be like cheeky, kind of Scottish jawline Yeah, just
bring it back to the work, Bring it back to
the work, Bring it back to the work, bring it
back to the acting, and then from that place your
things will happen. The right things will happen, you know,
And go back to marathon, not a sprint. It's definitely
why why sprint? If I what am I running toward?
(09:48):
You know? Is it for the car? Is it for
the fame? Is it for the fortune? Is it for
the notoriety? Because if it is that, I know and
so many and not thousands of people have said it
enough already that I don't need to learn the lesson
myself that it's not going to make you happy. And
if I do achieve all of that, and I'm not
happy the most point of all of that, you know,
(10:09):
So it's definitely just back to the acting, back to
the craft, back to the creativity, and back to this
stuff that feeds my soul that I love.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I feel like that's so much easier said than done.
And you make it sound really really attainable and easy
to have that mindset, But I imagine that's something you
kind of have had to work on over the years,
and we all slip sometimes into a mindset that we
don't want to be in right or have these thoughts
that we're like, oh, I don't want to think like that.
(10:40):
But you seem pretty consistent in how you view your
career and life and the way you want to live,
which is pretty refreshing.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean absolutely not speaking from any moral high ground
then of course, like, yeah, you got hundreds of thousands
of people validating you on social media, you know, you
got that happens. I'm still human, It still impacts me,
it affects me, still enjoy it, but I know ultimately
that that's not the goal, and ultimately that's not gonna
(11:08):
fulfill or make me happy, you know. And I think
it leads back to having to look at myself and
be honest with myself and my own insecurities and what
I need validated for or what I think I need
validation for, and I mean ultimately grasp the nettle and
(11:28):
just learn to be able to do it do it
myself for myself. Yeah, because it's a weird industry as
you know, I mean, it's it's it's such a such
a balancing act between being personable and being approachable but
also don't come you know, it's like a really weird thing.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It's a funny line to straddle, right, and you you
want to please people but also be true to yourself. Yeah, yeah,
So it's learning how to navigate all of that with
authenticity and without compromising who you are.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So do you find that, I mean, because I can
kind of sit here and just be me, but you're
still responsible for a very successful podcast. Do you find
that as well? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, I think we all kind of deal with that, right,
especially as an interviewer, Like I share a lot about myself,
but I don't want to make it about me, and
I don't always want that to seem like an invitation
for people to find out things about me that maybe
I hold sacred. So it's finding the line between like
inviting people in but also knowing when there should be
(12:36):
a hard stop on things that I don't exactly want
to talk about. Not that they're like these deep, dark secrets,
but I feel like everybody has to hold things close
to their heart. We need things for just us too,
you know. And my job, for lack of a better word,
is I want to bring people on and have real
conversations and make everybody feel comfortable and safe, but to
the level that they feel safe doing that. So yeah,
(12:58):
it's very interesting, But it's about the work, Like you
keep saying, it's about the work. We do it because
we love the work. And speaking of work, you're somebody
who has played over the years, a few morally questionable
characters will say, do you have more fun playing someone
with a little bit of a bad side? Why?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Why do I like in that? I mean it's just
I mean why do like Halloween? You know? It's this
kind of I feel like every human has such a
potential or possibility to feel all types of different emotions
and think all types of different things. And so to
tap into something that's a lot more alien to me
(13:43):
but still be able to personalize it and make it human,
it's really fun and really interesting to me. I mean, yeah, like,
who gets to go dress up as Dracula for three months?
I get paid for it, you know, But then also
like humanize that person and and try and like fall
(14:04):
in love with that person who's so bad. You know,
it's it's it's strange. Does mess with your head a
little bit sometimes.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But yeah, but I imagine that's so good. You're good.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I don't think I'm a umpire, but.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I imagine that's so rewarding as an actor to step
into these roles that are so different from you, at
least I think so different from you.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, when you look back at your collective work in
this world and day and age of nostalgia that we
live in, if you could reboot any role you've played,
which role would you pick?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I would love to do High Fidelity again. Yeah, yeah,
I'd love to do that. I don't know why. I
think to the second season. I think it was such
Did you watch it? I haven't seen that one? It's
really good. Did you watch it?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It was that one? Where did that? Where did that air?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It was on Hulu? Hulu? Did you was it? Yeah?
It's good?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
How did I miss that? When did that come out?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Twenty eighteen? Eighteen, twenty nineteen? Zoe Kravitzkay, so have you
seen the original film?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So it's a film except gender swapped. It was like flipped.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I don't want to put anyone on last year. But
maybe the marketing of it could have been a little better,
because I am just saying I didn't know. I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I'm working with Hulu right now.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
We love you, Hulu, we love you. But no, that's
something I will add to.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
My Yeah, it was it's really really good. But anyway,
I had a small part in that, but I just
had the best time working with Zoea and with David
and everyone else, and it was just, yeah, it was.
That was my first experience in New York. Okay. I
came out here because I was living in LA at
the time from my sins as I like to say,
And I came out here and I was like, if
(15:57):
I got a chance to live here, I'm gonna jump it.
And then gossip Girl happened. But I was out here
for just five weeks, six weeks, living in green Point,
and just had the best time, had the best time,
and so when Gossip Girl came up, I just jumped
at it. Yeah, and I've been here ever since four
years on the twentieth.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It was so you feel like a New Yorker now.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I'd never I can never say that one day were you.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I'm originally from New Jersey, but I've been here for
over two decades. I mean I went to college here
and never left.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Really. Yeah, your garden state, gal.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Garden state, that's right, That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So you could see you're in a New Yorker I
know I.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Am a New Yorker now, I lived in New York
longer than I've lived in New Jersey. Okay, yes, sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I just know New Yorker's Yeah, a bit tak to
they do.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But I will say, because you're to Gossip Girl, I
feel like that speeds up your New York citizenship. You
were in Gossip Girl, which, by the way, that show
when it was originally on, I was, you know, probably
young twenties, and as you.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Know, twenties, you look amaze.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Thank you on thirty held Am I thirty seven?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Not thirty seven? I lied him thirty eight.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I'm at the age.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Where I don't know my age, but I remember I
love that show so much, and here you are, you
get to reboot it. Yeah, I take it you probably
didn't watch it prior to the reboot.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I didn't, So now you're in this world.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I mean I watched it prior to filming it.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Right, but not in real time in real time of
course not. So that must have been a fun experience.
Aside from the art and the work, just being in
New York and having that be such a character for
that show.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, it was. I mean, like, what an introduction to
like live moving to living in New York is going
to say every day and like being on the mid
Steps and then you'd beat the Guggenheim and then you'd
be all these like places. It was like it was
like a nine month two of New York. Yeah, where
you got to do what you love to do and
also got paid.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It was amazing. It was really cool. And then playing
the character of Max was so fun, really was really fun.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
He was wild, he was a wild, couch wild he
was he was things your character got into that wasn't
in the original Gossip Girl. We'll say that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I remember I auditioned for Eli's part for Obi and
they were like, no, no, this doesn't work. You're you're
this guy. And then I read that guy and I
was like, Jesus, am I that guy? But you dove
in and I dove in and I became that guy.
Threples and things, the whole thing. It was everything. I
remember when we were I think the second season, I
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think there was not okay, I say orgy. It was
an orgy on set in the scripts clarify, I'm like
pr is like sweating back where's this going.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
It was on set in the show.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
And yeah, I was There's just loads of naked bodies
line around and stuff, and I was sitting on the
couch and it was just panning shot. They kind of
captured all of them, and then eventually it pinned up
to me just sitting there and then they're like I
cut and so everyone like got up and like got
their stuff on, got the rubes on, and I was
just sat there and they were like, do you want
your rule? But I was like, honestly, I mean we're
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two years in. No, I'm fine, everyone's seen everything. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
You had no shame at that point, No.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Shame, shameless, shameless, And I know that was a really
really cool job today.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, I imagine. I imagine. I was actually shocked when
it got canceled because I know it had such a
ferocious following and people really loved it, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah. I mean it's always hard though, when you try
and reboot something that's just perfect. As someone put on
my Instagram.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Well do you want to hear my theory? When the
original came out, it was so shocking for the time,
the things that were featured in that show. We weren't
seeing on television, and then for the reboot, while it's
still shocking for TV, I feel like kids these days
are doing a lot of different things and maturing faster,
so maybe it wasn't as shocking for them, you know
(20:02):
what I mean. Yeah, the content was amazing, and the
acting was amazing, the scripts were amazing, and New York
was amazing, and I just wonder if, like the shock value,
which was part of the first one, wasn't so much
part of this one.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, absolutely, and not even yes that And also when
you watched it, I mean what you had to tune
in at eight pm every Thursday, and then you go
to school or work and talk about it, you know,
and you had your shows and they came on at
a specific time, whereas now the streamers just thousands of things,
(20:35):
you know, and people are watching different things, and I
think it's just so saturated now that that shock factor
just didn't come through, coupled with the fact that there's
so much shock fact right there now, and then they've
got social media, and you've got eight year olds of
social media. So don't you even think, yeah, it didn't
have that same thing.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
When you got the role or throughout any point of
filming the role. I know your character is not a
direct model of Chuck Bass, but I feel like there
was a little inspiration there. Yeah, I saw some glimmers
of him through your role. Different, but some glimmers. Did
you ever talk to Ed Westwick or.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Actually we were in We're in Saudi Arabia. Actually, yeah,
we were at the Red Sea Film Festival and lovely,
lovely guy, really lovely guy. I wasn't really expecting him
to be so nice, but just really cool, really chill,
and I was telling him that I was basically playing
him in a reboot. I just wanted to kind of
I wanted to take some of Chuck but then but
(21:30):
make it lighter, make it cheekier, because I remember when
I was watching it felt quite like heavy, and the
characters were both written quite dysfunctionally, but different types of dysfunction,
and so I thought the cheekiness lended itself better. Talking
about chock value though saying that it doesn't really exist.
I love how I'm just like plugging myself here, but
(21:53):
I feel like tell me lies is quite shocking.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, and your character is there's more to him that
meets the and there's things that are going to be revealed.
I have a feeling. I don't need to brewin anything,
but I have a feeling we're going to learn a
little bit more about him. And yes, tell me lies.
Season two is out. Now you join the cast for
season two. So for everybody listening who maybe hasn't caught
(22:18):
up with the show, how would you describe it?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I was hoping.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I like to hear it from the artist, how you
perceive the world? Your grace here or Jackson?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I need one of them. I'm here. They're good at that.
I'm really blind at that. Okay, tell me lies. If
you've never watched it, it's on Hulu. It's basically a
young girl she goes to college and she gets herself
intertwined in this toxic relationship with this incredibly unsavory character
and into a friend group that's very dysfunctional, and it's
(22:54):
about kind of their way of going through college, watching
them go through college and just making a mad Yeah, yeah,
that is that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I think you nailed it. Yeah, I think you nailed it.
And you played Leo and then.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Leo comes and that's me season two and I start
to get feelings for Lucy, who's played by Grace from Patten,
who's this young girl that I was talking about. We
get sent to this dysfunctional relationship with Steven played by
Jackson White All, but I come along and save her,
(23:28):
save her from him.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So we think are doing right right, we have to
see Yeah, but you're kind of the new the new
guy on campus, shaking things up. Indeed, yeah, uh huh,
stealing her away?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I am yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Again, you play these characters that have a little sass. Well,
uh uh huh. Well, people are loving your role. They
love you as as part of the show. Was joining
season two of a very successful show with a very
tight knit cast. Intimidating for you because I kind of
equate it to being a new kid in a new
high school, right, you the brand new kid in town.
(24:01):
You're entering a school where people already have friend groups
and they're established in their ways. And here I am.
Everybody nice to meet you, like me, be my friend.
Do you feel that we're joining a successful shower now? No?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Not really, It's different. I mean you're working with professionals,
you know, and you definitely well, I go in with
a professional mindset, and I mean they we all were
absolute professionals and it's nerve racking. You're nervous going into,
like you say, a well established cast, but no welcome
(24:36):
with open arms. And I love the character and I
love working with Megan Oppenheimer, who's a showrunner. She's amazing,
She's such a hit, so fun, and most of my
scenes are with Grace. And I actually worked with Grace's
little sister gossip Girl and Gossip Girl, and I remember
asking Anna, I was like, what's sister like? She was like,
(24:57):
you's me, of course you.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
You're give me the dirt.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
And before my chemistry reads in La, so I spoke
to me again. She was like, come out to La
and I'll do like a camera Reid with Grace. And
I landed and the day before I was I asked
my manager. I was like, did you reach out to
Grace's people so we can kind of meet up before,
just get coffee, just so I can like feel her
(25:25):
energy and kind of get to know her before we
go in to the chemistry raid And she said yeah.
And I was really expecting to meet Lucy who's her
character and tell me lies. For some reason, I forgot
what we did for a living, and so I kind
of like went in and she was like, and I
was like, oh, she's adorable, and yeah, just from the
(25:46):
get go, she's just such such a wonderful human. You
should really get her on the show. Honestly, it's just
the nicest person, so kind, so talented, and yeah, it
was just such a blast to shoot.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Do we think there'll be more of you to come
in future seasons? Am I allowed to ask that? I
don't know yet?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, I don't. I've not heard anything yet. I'm not sure.
I think they're still writing script, so okay, I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Know, but you know how your storyline ends.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I know him my storyline ends, and be will we
be surprised?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
What can you give me without ruining it?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I don't know if you're going to be surprised per se.
But it is intense.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Your storyline is intense.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, okay, it gets very intense. It's the most triggering
jewel in the world. I really think that. I mean,
I remember watching the first season and like, how did
you like take a little break and being like triggered,
And the word triggered implies like something similar has happened
to you before, and it's triggered. But none of that
stuff's ever happened to me before. It's just so intense.
(26:51):
I was triggered. But as yeah, it Leo's storylines definitely
takes a and hence turn.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
But we don't know if you'll be back yet, no
announcement to me, not yet. Okay, all right, fingers crossed.
You would obviously like to be back because it seems
like you love this show and this project. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Absolutely, I mean, honestly, I love I love the cast,
and I love the character and there's a lot of
fun places to go with them. And yeah, Megan as well,
she's just such a hit. Honestly, she's so fun.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And what's so fun and interesting to me? And it's
what you do, so it shouldn't be like I guess
it shouldn't be a big deal at all. But you
and Grace our love interests. But her real life boyfriend, yes,
her ex on the show, right, yea, so like you're
acting opposite his girlfriend. But that's all normal for you.
There's never a like, oh this is kind of weird,
(27:42):
or oh I hope he doesn't feel like I'm actually
into this, Like there's none of that, right or is
it kind of strange? I mean to tell us, because
this is such not a normal thing in our jobs.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Are you are you have you got a partner? Are
you married?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yes? I'm married.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Okay. If you had your husband here and you did
the same interview style as if you didn't know him,
uh huh, would that be weird? Hi, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, that would be weird, right, Yeah, but you're still.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Doing your job as you normally would. That's kind of
the closest I can equate it to what you were doing. So, yes,
it's obviously fictional and it's made up, but it still
is his girlfriend and you had to watch like a
couple guys kiss her, which is so I don't know
if I could do that.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Do you have the talk? Like, hey, man, like, I
know you know what we do for a living, but
just wanted to say there's nothing there, like do you
have that talk?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I can't remember if I did.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Do you just do your scenes and hope it's not weird,
run offset and go to your trailer.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Well that's an annoying thing as well, because I really
really liked Jackson and I really really really like Grace,
so I wanted to like hang out with Grace as well,
and I wanted to be buddies with him, so but not.
I mean, like I said to start off with, like,
they're professionals, you know, so even though it is unusual
and it is kind of strange, bless his heart and
(29:09):
her heart as well, bless them both. But yeah, they're
just absolute professionals. And so it was it was fine. Yeah,
but I did feel I did feel so so weird
and so bad. It's just strange.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Just another day of work, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Just makeing out with his girlfriend and be like, yeah,
it's so weird. Our job is so strange, I know,
but yeah, try to it will be mine.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, it's all it's all about the work, all about
the worst.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Exactly, and then yeah, feel circle bring it back to
the work.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Thomas, you're somebody who strikes me as very grounded, very
aware of who you are while wanting to grow and
who you want to be and who you don't want
to be. More importantly, it seems like you really kind
of hone on that as a person and as an artist.
And I know you've said before that you don't really
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believe in or you're not big on goals, Like you
don't think that's a necessary part of humanity, right, Like
we don't have to always set goals. Talk to me
more about that.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
For what I do and for where I am, I
think it definitely takes it feels like it takes a
life out of it, speaks a spontaneity out of it.
And I think my job in my work is spontaneity,
you know, kind of reacting truthfully in a certain moment
and an experience. That's a hard question, man.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, goals, Yeah, I mean, it's it's very real.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Right, I think. Okay. I think maybe why I've said
that in the past is because maybe goals take us
out of the present moment. And I could see in
myself that there's always goals, goals, goals, goals, and trying
to have those goals like fix whatever traumas and dysfunctions
(31:04):
were going on inside of me, and never stop and
never being able to just stop because then I'll come up,
you know, I don't like that We're going to drink goals,
and I was. I was forced to really kind of
just stop, and I think I realized again just for myself,
that goals were distracting me. It was a distraction, and
(31:27):
it was a way to feel achievement or feel comfort
and validation by achieving goals. But I actually stopped and
I was like, wait, am I am? I Like, okay,
as I am? Do I need to like prove anything? Yeah,
a lot of people, you know, but I believe that
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every human is innately. I don't know if you're religious,
but I'm not religious. But I do believe in higher
power and God. I know that word's pretty muddy right
now these days.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
God can be whatever it means that.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
You exactly, and I believe that that God, higher power
doesn't make mistakes, you know. And I think the only
thing that takes us away from that is our egos,
in our in our own heads, and our desire to
more and more and more and more. I mean, especially
coming to America, if it became really apparent when I
moved over here, because what do you guys get like
(32:23):
two weeks holiday, three weeks holiday a year or something.
It's like you live to work as opposed to back
in Europe. There's a mentality of your work to live.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I don't want to signed all preacher. I'm definitely not
the person to listen to take much life advice from.
But that's that's that's that's the way I feel and
again like I say, of course I have goals like yeah,
I'd love to have fucking big house one day and
for manimals or I don't know. I actually don't have
many goals. My goal actually is to get a car
(32:57):
for winter.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I think what you're saying is it's not that you're
against goals and goal setting. It's just you try to
live your life by not always being focused on what's next.
And I feel you on that. I feel like there
are certain things I know I want to achieve, but
I also work very hard, to your point, to be
in the present and to allow life to happen. Because
some of the wildest things in my life and in
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my career have happened because I was just living. I
met someone, I got married. I never want to get married.
I never wanted that happened, you know. I got engaged
eight months after meeting him. Like, never could have planned that.
Not that I was against marriage, but I never wanted it.
I never thought I'd be sitting here in this job. Never.
This wasn't my plan.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
So you just your plan, but it was the plan exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
That was the bigger plan. So I'm with you one
hundred percent and I am very spiritual as well. I'm
not religious, but I'm spiritual and I believe in all
of the higher power in the universe and all of that.
So yes, I'm with you. There's one I feel like goal,
for lack of a better word, that I've heard you
want to achieve. And I heard then you might want
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to be a James Bond in the future.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I would you know what. I think we're well overdue
for a Scottish James Bond.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I think so too. Let's put it in the universe
right now. There you throw it in there, throw it
in James Bond coming right up?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
What was it? Sean Connery was the last scott shaking
much money? By name?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
There we go, There we go. I think you'd be
a great one.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I think they're trying to cast one that's younger so
they have them for like ten years.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Let's get on it.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, shave, there we go, TUXI to on.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Okay, I will be your personal manager to make this, yes,
because I could see it. I love it. Yeah, I
love it. I think you'd kill it, all right, So
that is one goal we'll set. Yeah, but or Villain, well,
we all know you like the dark love we all
know that. Yes, we know that, but okay, well we
put it out in the universe. Let's see what happens. Thomas.
To wrap up this conversation, the name of the show
(34:59):
is I've never said this before, and I like to
finish by asking all of my guests a very simple
question based off the title of the show, which is,
what is one thing you've never said before? And I
know that you've done a lot of interviews over the years,
You've done a lot of press, But I'm wondering, is
there anything that comes to mind that maybe you would
(35:22):
want to share today? Whatever that means to you, whatever
that question means to.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
You, publicis shouting yourself. Honestly, when I got told the
name of the show.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I was like, sure, sure, but listen, your mind sounds
like it's going to some interesting places. But it's whatever
it means to you.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I've never said before. God, I don't know what I'm
going to say something that completely like a context. Okay.
I used to have the belief that everyone was innately
good underneath, but now I don't know if I believe
that that's deep I think good people can do. That's
(36:08):
just the first thing that popped into my head. So
I don't I think good people do bad things. I
think bad people do good things. And I was always
believed that people were good. But you know, I don't know,
what do you think?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I think, Wow, that's that. That is deep. I would
like to believe everybody's good, but I think through life,
through living, I've realized that's not always the case. I
like to see the good in everybody. I like to
give everybody a fair shot, but unfortunately, there have been
(36:46):
people in my life where you can't do that anymore,
and you have to realize who someone is when they
show it to you. So to your point, I think
that's very interesting. I don't know if everyone's innately good.
I think you're born that way, but then you have
to make decisions in your life and choose to be
good and not everyone always does.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Well, that's the thing as well. Wait are you going off?
That's the thing as well. It's really kind of hard
because if someone is born not innately good, then what
they need is compassion because it's not their fault per
se for being the way they are.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
This is we can do a deep dive into this
because you're so right. I mean, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
You're a product of your environment. You're not always set
up for success, you're born into horrible circumstances. So yes
to all of that. But I do think that you
have to make decisions in life, and you have to
get to a point where you realize what's good and
what's not. And even if there's no one in your
life that is a good example for you, going back
to the higher power, I would like to think we
(37:50):
all have something in us that does say that's not
the right decision, that's not the right move, and you
can fuck up. We all make mistakes, but if you
don't learn from them, that's where I think the problem is.
And that's why I say, I don't know to your point,
if I agree with you, I don't know if everyone
is innately good. I feel like we're Socrates and Aristotle right.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Here, fabulous ones, right, Yeah, that should be the name of.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Our show to philosop I'm off to a good start.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Two philosophers, a couple of arm chair philosophers.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
There we go, armchairful, off, arm cheerful, awful. You can
say the title of our show going forward. Clearly I
can't handle it, Thomas, Thank you, for hanging out. I am.
I'm such a fan of you as a person, and
I think you're It's always exciting for me when people
walk into my studio in my room and show me
(38:47):
who they are beyond the artist, and because there's so
much more than our work and our jobs. And I
always say to people, you know, the guests I have on,
they're not their characters, so let's get to know them
in a different way, in a different light. And I
feel like we did that today, and I really appreciate
you hanging out. It's scary, yeah, it is, to get
in front of a mic and talk and have real conversation.
(39:07):
It can be scary. But hopefully I didn't scare you
too much. Yeah, you had a good time, Beautiful Blue Ears. Well, likewise, likewise, likewise,
thank you for hanging out. Your show Season two Tell
Me Lies is out now. Everybody catch up. The finale
is not too far away, and I hope we do
this again.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Absolutely, we'll see so thank you.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Slight I've never said this before. Is hosted by Me
Tommy Diderio. This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Publisi
at iHeartRadio and by Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua
Colaudney I've never said this before is part of the
Elvis Duran Podcast Network on iHeart Podcasts for more, rate,
(39:50):
review and subscribe to our show and if you liked
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