The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson Reunion: Josh Robert Thompson & Joseph Bolter

The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson Reunion with Josh Robert Thompson who was Geoff Peterson the sassy robot and Joseph Bolter who was the Secretariat aka the sassy horse. This one is for all the late late show fans! EnJOY! 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When I do live gigs around the country, I'll be
honest with you. I sell T shirts and swag to
the folks who are there, and then people always say,
can we get this swag without sitting through a whole
evening of you.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, it's happened. It's finally here.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
You can buy Craig Ferguson merch on the Craig Ferguson
Merch website and you can buy it for yourself or
someone you hate or someone you love. For more information
and link to the web store, please go to the
Craig Fergusonshow dot com. That's all lowercase, the Craig Ferguson
show dot com. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name

(00:33):
of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interesting people
about what brings them happiness. Today a Late Late Show
with Craig Ferguson Reunion. Craig Ferguson will be here. Me
the one wearing the sunglasses. I won't be wearing them
once we get started because I will be mocked. I

(00:54):
would be mocked by my guests, who are Josh, Robert
Thompson and Joseph who were respectively on the old late
night show Jeff Peterson, the Sassy Robot and Secretariat.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
The Sassy Horse. Well, first, the you know front end
of the you fight that.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Warm enough, stretching a little bit, it's the joy.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Shadow came in and did an episode and he told
us about when he lived in a shed and he
had he was just doing cocaine all the time, and
he had guns.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
And he was living in a shed in Topanga with guns,
and but he still had that voice.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I was in to Panga. I had a Winchester.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I think he had had like Magnums and not Magnum
the ice cream, ihand you know Magnum the gun the gun.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Right, So this is my pitch. So we do a
podcast together three because this is the reunion. This is
it Robot Horse right right, Okay, So for those of
you who don't know, during the late night era of
when we were doing it, I was the guy and
you were the robot and you were the horse, correct,

(02:15):
all right? And and I feel to this day still
the best late night show ever made, maybe or certainly
ever made by us.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I would say so ever certainly ever made by yeah
ever made. I think it's ever made.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
I think I think greatest late night talk show on
at that at twelve thirty five AM of all time,
of all time at twelve thirty five, twelve thirty seven.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Well, twelve thirty seven, but what about early Dave. Early
David is twelve thirty.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, now we're where there were bare we had who
had a robot and a horse?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I mean, no one knows what you were doing on
that show was insane. Well, I wasn't doing it. You
were doing it. We did whatever we want. I was
supposed to Dave because David in the Times Law.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
We've talked about this, I mean Dave in the Times Law.
And so CBS paid no attention to us. That's that
was the key.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
And that was the thing though, because they.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Didn't pay any attention to this, they never get any
We never get any publicity or right. But I think
that's kind of good because people now don't associate us
with CBS, which is good because then we'd have to
be on Blue Bloods and stuff with Tom Selleck.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah. I like Tom.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Tom sala Oh my god, you can Tom Salak on
Family Guy. Recently a commercial for reverse mortgages.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
A reverse mortgage is when you give money to the bank.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah, I think you you take out you take the
loan against your own mortgage, or you take out money
and then you owe more money.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
That great.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I'm tom seller, but I saw an interview or a
piece of something with Tom Sealex. Blue Bloods is finishing
and Tom Selick's worried about losing this avocado farm. Yes,
because avocados they grow in their hair, the heads of avocados.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, we wander across the oh yeah, Mexico.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, the planes, the flames somewhere.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
I think the cartels have the Avocado Cartel. Oh they
got that locked up. Yeah, yeah, I think that's a
Netflix show. Is that right, the Avocado Cartel? Yeah, cartel?
What Netflix is different? No, like because Netflix used to
be good. Yeah, and now it's like it feels like.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
It's like Lifetime a little bit. Oh yeah, all right,
So here's my pitch to you. Yeah, pitch it all right, man,
Robot Horse. It's a it's a podcast, right, it's the
three of us, and we never have a guest.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I like it so far. Yeah, because you're doing yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
So yeah, it's a nightmare. We've got multiple shows. Booking
guests is impossible. But if you have a guy who
can do every voice known to man. You're in good hand.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Oh that's true.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Hey, everybody great to be here on man robot horse.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Right, So that's we go. That's's that. That's I thought
it was Bay.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I love He's a genius.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, he's a great director. He's a great director. He's
a great film dude. Jimmy Kimmel's show for a long
time he directed. Yeah, yes, but he's made some great
films and uh he lives in the woods now. He
lives in a shed with cocaine. That makes sense, and
with a Winchester rifleing up forty five.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Avocados.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I work on a ranch. That's what happens on your
have you go? You still get your cats? Yeah, yeah,
well many of them.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Like there's three yeah, three yeah, and you get three
cats and their names are fizz gig right hemnis named
after Ikea furniture and it's a line of fancy the
hems and uh and then.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Teddy okay, which is and you've now got a baby baby.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah, congratulates a baby cat human baby human baby.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Wow did you uh buy this?

Speaker 5 (06:14):
No?

Speaker 4 (06:14):
I made him?

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah, yeah, I made the baby baby with using sex power,
using sex power with Jack. Here's a fun fact. Only
took me one one attempt to make a baby strong.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Wow, yeah shooting. Look how much hair is on Joe though,
And it's like playing the horse all that time. Yeah,
you know that gives you vergulan power.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Which, by the way, unbelievable performance as the horse. I
mean you were doing yes and improv saying nothing, not
able to speak, and only able to move this head
back and forth. My favorite bit of all time for
me personally on the show is the which salsa do
you like? Yes?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (06:55):
That was a by or a mile Yes, And.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
It would go on and on and on.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
You would die laugh.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Well because it didn't make any sense at all. I'm
looking at it now, I kind of like that show
would be impossible. Now you couldn't do that, So it
was actually impossible then. It was only because nobody really
knew it was there, right, because like the ones who
knew about it knew about it, but there was no publicity.
There was no kind of you know, billboards or commercials

(07:24):
or like. Occasionally they would make us go to a
super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, oh yeah, remember we went to the super Bowl
in New Orleans, and there was a power cut.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Oh yeah, there was a power cut in New Orleans
when there was a I don't know if I.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Can survive in that corporate environment because of the Super Bowls.
Like the last time we were at the Super Bowl,
and I look, I get nothing against football.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
It seems like it's a very popular sport.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's just no to me. I like hockey. I like,
you know, Crouchet, sure you swimming? Yeah, every swimming is
great because it's only every four years, right, Like you
know the Olympics coming. People are you're going to watch
the swimming tonight?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah? I watch it every week.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
What does swimmers do for the four I guess they
practice to the Olympics, right, Yeah, you got to swim
all the time.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
A lot of practice swimming. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
People say to me, oh, you you missed doing late Night.
I'm like, no, Well you had a different perspective.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
I mean you were.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I didn't grow up with it, you know. That's that's right.
You didn't have that was it that I didn't have
anything to reference?

Speaker 4 (08:33):
It was right, right because like Sally, I would go
chat with Sally now and again about the Johnny Carson days.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Right, because Peter le Sally who was the producer Johnny
Carton Carson for Johnny Carton Car that was and they
used to sell milk and Johnny Carton. It was an
animated show. It's true Johnny cart I think it's on
Netflix now Johnny Carton.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Here comes Johnny car Here's Johnny. Everybody, Now, this is
interesting two percent milk. There was also skim milk which
I and Joy which is this is interesting avocados.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Did you know.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
I don't know how you guys feel about this, but
I stay away. There was no real social media stuff
when we were doing Now. There wasn't really the pick
up that there was now this fucking headless borg that
takes every piece of content and.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Just rose out there all the time and always looking
for a problem. And then you get the the uh.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
The tabloid websites which take tweets or comments on YouTube
and use it as like people are saying in the article, yeah,
you go, are people saying or maybe right right, yeah,
maybe five people said it, and they are maybe one
person said it.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
And then oh, by the way, I downloaded chat GPT.
I've got the AI now in my phone. Oh it's awesome. Yeah,
I had I asked it today, write me a short
Craig Ferguson routine about your raft.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Did it?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
They did? And I was like, this is about as
good as the material.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
So now you have a real Jeff. Now Jeff is
fully real. Yeah no, I but Jeff see my pets
for monroot horses. There is that Jeff is back. But
that now reconstruction is so good that you can just
like wear those pants. It's just me jeah, yeah, yeah,
which is what we were going to do. Anyway, we
did it once, right, We had a whole idea.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I don't know if you remember.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
This was in the first studio, the smaller studio, original studio.
I think we were going to do flashbacks to the
different eras of the Late Late Show.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
It was the nineteen seventies one and you you were
saying your Jeff feels going, I'm going skyde yeah die.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Oh. We were gonna come up with different ways, different
ways that Jeff died. That's right, right.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
My favorite line in that one was so we turning
Steve Gutenberg and I said, Steve Gutenberg, Oh, he's the
biggest star in the world.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
His star will never never fade. Very mean I'm sorry.
Steve Goudenberg. You know, have you met Steve? Yeah, one time.
He's really lovely, pleasant guy.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
He's very nice. He did he told me that thing
about It might even have been on Late Night when
he was on he said, the stages of your career
or who's Steve Guttenberg. Get me Steve Guttenberg, Get me
a Steve Guttenberg type. Wow, that is it?

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I know, boy, isn't it true? Fucking Hollywood? It's like terrifying.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I didn't know how to handle that. That was well
after the show, Yeah, I did not. Yeah, it's weird.
It's weird when you were in a big thing. I
felt that way. After the Drew Carrey show, I was
like I don't know, yeah, right, yeah, and then Late
Night turned up and I was like, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
And then after late Night I was like, I'm so tired.
But you've been doing stand up and we toured for
a while. I mean you, I opened for you for
a while.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
You did you?

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah? I did a little bit after as well. How
was that? I've always wanted to know.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
It was terrifying because I listened when you guys did
this before your first gig was or one of your
first kids was like Radio City and Venetian.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, I lied and said you know what, am I
gonna say no? Yeah, because I said to you if
you don't stand up before, you were like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
No problem.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah you got it man a one time at Miyagi's
Japanese restaurant Sunset. Yeah, I mean straight to radios. So
it was Miyagi's right too. I think the Venetian was
the first. That's so funny and it went well and
then but yeah, when did you.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Craig is a very.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Practical guy, so his was like we we had to
do we had to record some shows during that time
and had to than bring on extra people.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
He was like, you just do it.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
And then I said, okay, we'll see how it goes.
So I made the mistake. I practiced just in my
bedroom for like a week or so. Yeah, and then uh, he.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Didn't do it. Didn't do it for anyone.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
It's good.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
It's good, Yeah, because I thought, why, you know, ruined
the material. I don't want to waste them. Yeah, so
I was peak skill. Maybe it was some upstate New
York looked over you know, a thousand, two thousand people
there and then that was the first time I said
it in front of anyone, And to Craig's credit, I

(13:27):
bombed so hard that but he didn't give up on me.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
It took about four shows, three or four. I didn't notice. Yeah, he.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Show.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, I said to us one night, what direction is
the audience? When I woke out with directions it left
or right? They pushed him out stage. I didn't know.
You bombed.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
I bombed the first one or so like bombed and
then immediately was like, I got to probably change all
this material. Yeah, right, I got a little bit better
the second night.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I think.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
The third night, I want to say, was New Jersey.
I mean these are all like the smallest audience was
fifteen hundred years theaters. Yeah, and then by like the
fourth night it started working. But what I did was
really I made like Craig making fun of me the
punchline to every joke, and that killed and like kind
of brought.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
It back to the show. Wait, you did you do
my voice? Did you?

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Like?

Speaker 4 (14:28):
No?

Speaker 5 (14:28):
But I did hear on the last time you when
you were on you did Craig's voice to him? Yeah,
And what did you think of it?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I see I don't hear my voice like you hear
my right, So when you do my voice, yeah, I'm
like no, no, my voice is much deeper than that.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
And I and I've go, you know, and I'm sex here.
It's missus doubtfire.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, but but you you hear listen, man, if you
if you're earlier on time, if you're on time, you're late, Hey,
find another way. That's my favorite one, my favorite, My
favorite phrase is find another way.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Find another way. When I was mad at ja yeah
the other yeah, yeah, Jeff Barber was snorting. You had
like some and so Craig's trying to take a quick
nap before the show. Jeff's in the other room going,
and then you just.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Hear find another way, man.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
And it really is applicable to all of life. Find
another way, in another way. I say all the time.
It Yeah, I use it as well. It's great, so funny,
another way, so funny. It's just perfect passive aggressive.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Oh I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
If it's passive. I think it's straight up an instruction,
a very clear instruction. Find another latch.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
When we were ruling, like you know, we had a
one plane, oh my god, and we were we had
the plane and the bus and the all the hotel
rooms on the side. It was it was probably costing
me about half a million dollars a year to be
in the road.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Fuel, just hotel rooms and snacks. Motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I mean a certain point, were you guys touring when
Bradley was out with us as well? This is these
were in the before times. But you wouldn't I don't
think it would be cool now.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
But Bradley, who was a little pear of Bradley's Yeah,
oh yeah, yeah, and Bradley was he was a little person,
and he was dressed as a leprechaun, yeah, with gold pain. Yeah,
and he he'd go out and that's a little bit yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's probably not cool.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
That video we have that video of us doing the
thing in Vegas. Yeah, there's Bradley dressed up leprechaun.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I didn't feel like it was I don't know I
feel that way. No, No, I didn't feel like I
was being disrespect Bradley. You know, he loved it.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
He love.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
He's a working actor. He loved it.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Nothing he respects. Part of the thing was totally a
part of the show. The early days of that show.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
There were a lot of different characters that were part
of that.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
I was thinking about. I don't know if you guys
remember us. This was really early on the character of
Fiona the Scottish Stalker. No, no, yeah, it's funny because
you know that that thing on Netflix now Baby Reindeer,
Baby Raindeer. Right, So I was watching, I went, wait
a minute, I remember something like this, and there's no
video of it. But there used to be a thing

(17:21):
and it was an actress, and forgive me, I can't
remember her name. She was very good and she played
Fiona the Scottish Stalker and there was an intro music
and it was Fiona the Scottish Stalker, Fiona and Craig
cat stop her field.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
She will not be ignored. I will not be ignored. Crazy.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
And then and then she came on and she would
do this thing of like she was following me and stuff,
and it kind of you know, it was before you
took over and took over all of that stuff, you know,
I mean, but early on there was like different actors
would come on and do little bits and pieces and
then you know, you put them all out of work.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
You did them all. This was first year. This is
maybe the first two years.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
First two years, I think if you know the Scottish
Stalker and it was a Scottish Stalker and she was really.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Like heavy and she I mean it was very baby India.
That's very fun.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
I know.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
I just think I was before my time. Yeah, you
did a lot of sketches, very sketch heavy that first year.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, it was almost like the the Benny Hill I
was like, we actually did up Benny Hill racing. I
remember we went out and there was like there was
a little person and girls and bikinis and stuff, and
everybody chased everybody around, right, speedy up music.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
But at some point you went okay, like I kind
of want to do these remote sketches things.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Well because you have to turn off barely and you know,
or in the last three four years of the show,
I mean like five minutes before the show, you would
put the horse on.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Maybe not yeah, yeah, it got so rediculous, Like I
would the intro music or the real beforehand would be
playing and I'd be like, all right, time to get started.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah yeah, and you'd be the same.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
I blow in about you know, twenty minutes before showtime, right,
what are we talking about today.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I we'll figure something out.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
And that's what happens. You just end up talking about it.
And that's what I think we should do with Manrouebot Horse. Yeah,
the new podcast. That doesn't it seem when I burped that?
See that was unplanned.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, the moments like this, you're gonna get more of
more burb yet more burpic. Well, it's it's you don't
want to burp in front of people. You don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
I think it's okay. I think it says welcome, makes
you feel comfortable.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I think I think it's rude. Well what about gas?
What about passing? That's a must? Do you know what
makes me mess? Larry King? Oh yeah, I loved Larry.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah he was you say the night he took it
when you were you had some big paying job doing
a commercial.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Let I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
We never talked about that, But the way I found
out that celebrities were going to be doing Jeff's voice, Yeah,
for two weeks I had to go to I was
I was going to South Africa to shoot these insurance commercials.
More than Insurance was a company in the UK, I
was more than Freeman. So that was the final part
of my contract. I had to go and that it So,

(20:15):
as I'm walking out of CBS Television City, I'm walking
out the door, Michael Natus, producer Michael Natus in his
way as I'm walking.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Out the door and says, oh, Josh, it's real quick.
Uh just to you know, have a great trip.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
We're going to have celebrities filling in every night doing
Jeff for the next couple of weeks take care.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
And I was like, I.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Was.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I was mortified.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Why because we had built this thing, we had this
character and then I was up my own ass. But
I but I was like, oh shit, they're going to
know who the person is doing the voice each night,
because you're gonna say it's Larry King or whoever. And
they were all really I mean, Larry King was great.
He was very funny, but he wasn't doing what you
were doing.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
He was doing you. You were doing the whole thing.
Of course, I think what I think I was thinking
about it. I think, Larry were you there when? Yeah? Yeah,
did you see how they were doing it? Like the setup?
Someone who I forget who it was, but someone was
doing it was Bob Oshak, right, Bob. I think he operates.
Bill Maher.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Very good at it. It's the same remote.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, could you do, Bill Maher? I could probably figure
it out.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
It's very whining. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like
that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yea, but but I think so.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think you're right.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Bob was puppeteering with this remote, watching Larry talk into
a mic and then trying the time.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
It's such a disaster.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
It was funny.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Well, that's why disaster was kind of what we need
game because and that I think began. Do you guys
remember the first Magic Week? Oh yeah, the first Magic
Week when we had a bunch of magicians, like really.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Off the strip magicians in Vegas, like like some of
them not even in Vegas. It was like, you know
Scottsdale Magic Club or the Reno incredible. Yeah yeah yeah,
I mean that's too good already, it's too good. But
the thing was I love it, And it was early

(22:24):
on and everybody, like the executives and Peter was like
these magicians are terrible, and.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
I was like, I know, it's fucking brilliant. I really
love it. This is the this is what we're looking for.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
That's the show magicians, this is the show, and it
kind of took it took a while, I think for
them to understand that disaster was the name of the game.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Like, you know, the robot doesn't really work. You know,
the horses crap, but it's not really crap. It's just cheap.
That's it's cheap. It's cheap.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
It's under the guise of being cheap, which which it was.
I mean, they didn't you know, we were ignored. The
show was completely ignored, which was good.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, good and bad. I think when we went to
the bigger the bigger studio was too much. I thought
it was. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
I think the bigger studio was the last two years
of the show. It was, yeah, and the biggest studio
for me. Although we lost something that element of the said,
we did gain the fireplace that throw the log end
and I think Jeff really too cool there for hiding
that big studio. There was no more puppets, there was
no more things.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
There was a stable for Secretaria, the entire stable and
a stable that they built.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
You were just see when you were standing there, like
in the stable, door was in front. Was was the
back end of Secretaria involved or did you just stand
with it hanging.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Loose like that. Yeah, it's just just me.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
And then he had a little chair and if we
felt like it was go time, he would jump underneath
and grab my hips.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
It'd be quick ause he'd say who's that at the
door and you go? And then that was like so
it was just hanging like a scroll to behind an
empty horse.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
So there are two There were two guys. So first
it was Matt Kugler, Matt Cougler, yes, right, and then
who who was? And then Ryan McGowan or Ryan McGowan
was the second, so only two. Ryan ha has like
fourteen kids. Now he does have a kid, he really
does one, at least one that I know, okay. And
then before that there was a guy Alex Burnett who

(24:21):
did it briefly was that one of the one of
the original original guys.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
It was like the Pete bast of secretaries, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
He did it and then he got he left, he
got another job, and then that's when Kugler took over.
But you were always the front, always the front. Did
you start in the show, you were like an urn
or a pa. He started as a pa. I was
just like a fill in for one week and then
they would bring me back whenever there was an opening,
and then once someone left, they they just hired.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Was like, that joke is true then, so you would
say they're not They're just a couple of interns. And
that was a running joke that was so that was
true in the beginning.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, it kind of was.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
What happened was I think they it was the Kentucky
Derby or something, and somebody said there's a horse suit
and I was like, oh, fine.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Mister Ferguson, there's a horse suit back there.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Let's use it. Okay, find any shite magicians.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, we get Ronnie the Great from me.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
The one I remember that really I remember was it
was a quick change artist.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
It was an old Korean lady.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
She was a quick change artist and they would put
a screen up and then she would do a quick
change and then the screen would come down and she'd.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Be wearing a differently. Wow.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
But the thing was like, because of the way it
was positioned, I could see her changing, so you could
see it.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
I was like, it's it's like, okay, look I changed
my clothes. But that was you know, that was entertainment
back then. That's when that's.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Before like you run Netflix, not quite running, but yeah, wow,
you run like Netflix is a joke that you run
that whole thing.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
I run that their serious XM channel. So do all
the audio stuff shows and stuff.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yeah, by the way, folks, you know, at one point
there was a serious x M show that Craig did
thanks for you know, subscribing.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
We didn't get a lot of people that.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Remember remember that the show Truck Radio. That's right, we
did all of that.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
I still here from the people. Yeah, what was your
character name? I was Malibo.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
People still Joeys from.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
It, is true, but yeah, people still call in. They
love that show. Yeah, some people that people ask for
the archives. I don't think even serious Stevens probably has
got them.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Right next to the Winchester the Avocados.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
I remember on that show we were trying to get
sponsorship from Ghant Oh my god, the company. So we
just started advertising for them for free to see if
they will because I was doing some Megan and I
did some big advertising campaign.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, for exact show.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
It was just like a YouTube, man, see yea like commercial, right, And.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
And I thought that I was like at home with
the Ferguson's just going on, well, you know, I don't
know if you've heard of this thing called money.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
So they turned up and they said, hey, we'll do
this thing. I was like, okay, sure. I first I
said no, and then they said money and I was like.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Oh okay, oh yeah yeah right, and then the CBA,
the serious show that was we did that in my
garden shed.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
So I just kicked Shadow out because see we had
been living there. Shadow was the sort of the Cato
Kaelin of.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Living there. It's the same hair Kaitlyn Jesus.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I heard a noise outside. I don't know what it
was was. There was a slight bump and some kind
of noise.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Whoever happened to Kato Kaln Is he still alive?

Speaker 5 (28:13):
He is?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah? He in fact he uh does he have a YouTube?
He has a podcast? Probably?

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Well, he had a radio show in the nineties on
like ninety seven point one FM here in Los Angeles, right,
And I was like I just moved here, and I'm like, wow,
Kato Klen's got a show. This place is great. Yeah.
But Kato gave a video message to address the death
of oj and of course, and very wisely did not

(28:40):
address OJ at all and just gave his condolences to
the children and of course to you know, Nichole's family.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
And it was really great. It was really really wise.
He looked great.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
I don't know what he's doing other than giving Condultanci
you still have the he's got some of the hair.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Frusted Tip. Yeah, it made me. Yeah, it was trusted tip,
trusted tips.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I'm thinking of the show thinking frusted Tips is where
I'm going to go now, I need to see that. Yeah,
I'd quite like to have that kind of Mark McGrath,
you know, Yeah, I think I think it worked for me.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yeah, and like an intense tan. Yeah, when you come
back and do man, robot and horse. No, it's just
man robot horse, Man robot horse and we can work.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
It in the bill. Could it could be roulebot horse
man if you know what I'm saying. We don't need
to just mix it up. Remember the Japanese version version
We could never do that.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
No, Yeah, it was just with the it was called
super Happy Fun Time Our with Robot old Man.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
That's right. I don't think it was.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
It was just like a title sequence, right, I don't
know if that's okay, anymore.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Oh, I think it was funny. But the sensibilities have
changed a little.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Bit, and they have.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
But nothing that we did ever came from me. We
were never mean, No, we were just playing. We were
always having a good time. But you could do a
German accent. Oh, I think you can still do a
German accent. This is fine, very true because Germans was
so so naughty. Yeah it was since the last hundred years, so.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
It is all right. Still they're still being punished a
little bit. Actually, I say, Sam joyed. And the one
that I like to do is moreve like this type
of accent. I think someone I like to do a
German accent right from nineteen fifties movies about the Second World.
Oh it's great, and you do more sort of fruity

(30:30):
upper West Side from Oh that's right, they had chance stakes.
I'm going to tearror and retake a bit.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Thanks, Jess, if you remember that, it was great, It.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Was such a great essay. The one of my best
memories from the show was when we went to Scotland.
We had a bus, right or a big yeah been
a bus yeah yeah, and you were out filming a
ton and we would just sit on the bus and
he would do these characters, some of which were like
the catering guy from the meals we'd have.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
He could turn him around and he would just do
this bit. We'd narrate the whole trip.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
I mean, I think at that point in your life, though,
you were like you were like Stephen King of Characters, Like, yeah,
it was you were just I mean, you must have
been crazy because all of this stuff was coming all
of the time. You were always doing something and that

(31:28):
must be uncomfortable, and to be that.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Clever because he's so quick with him to doing it.
I was unhappy. Yeah, I was an unhappy guy. I
remember one one meal.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
I don't even know if Craig was there for it,
but when we met, I was like, you're doing all right,
and You're like, I just do my laptop across the room.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
And then I was like, oh, I was going through it.
But two minutes later we were like, hey, yeah, you
were doing bits and they were hilarious. I mean, that's
that was the darkness.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Man.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
I don't know, I don't know what.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
I was so unhappy about relationship at the time. Who knows,
who knows?

Speaker 1 (31:59):
You did talk of this though the unhappiness is where
it's kind of born, you know. I mean like when
I started Late Night, i'd just gone through a very
unpleasant divorce.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Yeah, kept me going for a good couple of years.
But there is that, There is that, It's that double
edged sword, you know. But I just wish I was
more present, I guess, to really enjoy. We were in Scotland,
we were in New Orleans, like, hey, dummy, look what
you're doing. Yeah, you know, so sometimes it's hard to
see that when you're in it.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
And what I mean, I remember that as well. Yeah,
I mean, like, I mean I look back on some
of the stuff now, I'm like, I wish I'd kind
of taken it in a little more, yes, you know,
because I was just it was just like one thing next.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
But we were so busy the fact that you you know, like,
yeah we went to Paris, and yeah we went to Scotland.
But we got there, we got off the plane. You
go jet like and you work fourteen hours and then
you know, yeah, just like collapse and do it all
for five days and then and then leave, you know,
and it's great, but it's it's not really a vacation.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
We weren't really there to go do things. No, what
you threw on the horse suit everywhere we went. Yeah,
I did the horse and an open field close now,
but we did it under the Eiffel Tower. Now you
can't even get underneath and all thing it's like it's
all blocked off.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I remember having an argument with the producers.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
They were like, they were saying, well, we can just
hire local people for the inside of the horse and
I'm like, you fucking crazy, Like we'll put French guys
inside an American horse, fucking nuts, what the hell is that?
And they were like they were freaking out. I mean,
but because it's expensive to move a whole show over them,
Like no. And then I said, and we got to have,

(33:35):
you know, hair and makeup and they're like, we can
hire hair makeup in Scotland. Their friends like, no, we
have to take to you and Lisa, we got to
take them.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
We have to take every wed.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
It was a team and that's the thing that I
don't think people understand about it because it was it
was written, but it wasn't written in the same way
as other things were written, and it was kind of
all happened at once, you know, I mean, like the
writers would write stuff.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
There were writers and they were great. It was a
great team of writers. But the monologue was pretty much
a placeholder. It was kind of there as a suggestion, right.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
If if if it's a kind of flat night, then
I'll just do the monologue as opposed to like I
remember coming out that joke I had to tell about
a cat, yes, and I thought it was so funny.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I couldn't get through it, and you were and I
were talking about so brilliant.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, And it's like, not being able to do the
monologue is funnier than doing the monologue, I think, you know,
and that actually I think that's actually Carson because remember
when you because Carson's the architect of these shows, and
when he did a joke and it bombed, that was
better than we did a joke in it.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Carson would sometimes take the boom mic after bombing and
bring it down.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
And tap it.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
And I just want to make sure that she was working.
Its working, all right, We'll try another one. Here's another one. Yeah,
they're rough tonight there, bring their knives, all right, all right,
here's another one. Here's another on and they're just bomb
and bomb. But he could make it work. Because we
were all on his side and we all love when
you you know, when you would go off script, you know,

(35:13):
it was just there was what I'm saying, you know,
I'm saying what the funniest thing was. The writers would
come up with the monologue, a suggestion of a monologue.
Here's the things we could talk about, topical stuff. Sometime
it was very good, very good, and we never got it.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
But there would sometimes be one or two pages that
you would never get to at the end that they
would just keep copy, copy and paste.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
That's right, never get nuts, and Monday through fright Thursday
would come the pages change different colors.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
For those that don't know, every time there's a rewrite,
it starts as white. By the time it's like golden rod,
like green, then you're really in trouble. But you know,
that was the beauty.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
But I thought the best shows too, were like when
there was a leak in the Cela, like all of
that stuff that was out of everyone's control but would
happen right beforehand. Then you had that you'd come out
with a mop with a bucket and you can just
go off on that. None of that was scripted, and
those were like real memorable monologue.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, you know, it's a funny thing. I just don't
know if it's available now. I don't know. I mean
maybe it is. Maybe people are doing stuff like that to.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Nervous It feels like everyone's so rigid and it's like, well,
we have to really make sure and everything's micromanaged and
everything's poured over to the point where it's no fun.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
By the time you get to shooting the thing. Yeah,
all the fund's gone on it.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
It's like us having a full conversation before we do
the podcast, right. We always say like, let's not talk anymore, right,
because that's what happens. You over massage it well.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
And also I think that the outrage and kind of
fans it's kind of a currency, know a little bit
as well.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's like something to talk about.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
And I get it because if you if you, if
you're a fan to then that's good that that gives
you something to talk about it. And basically that's how
you start stand up back.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
It doesn't you go I'm.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Really mad at you know, a giraffe, right, and then
you like it gives you a place to kind of
work from.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
So if you if you have to fill you know
your your TikTok account every fucking day for no money.
I don't know. Like they say these influencers are making money.
I'm like, are they Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:14):
But not no?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, I don't. I don't get it. It's like, so
I make TV for free every fucking day. I don't know,
got an hour to fill man?

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, but the I mean it's like it's short, I
guess the social media stuff, but it's but it's relentless.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
And those shows, just those late night shows now are
just making stuff to put online, which we did. None
of our stuff went online.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I doesn't. It does now, it does now. But towards
the end of our run was when I think Fallon
started to Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
I think Jenny the first one that actually he started
doing hashtag things and stuff with Twitter.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
And I remember I paid no attention to Twitter.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
And then Eddie is I was on the show and Eddie,
Eddie and I have friends from way back, and Eddie's
still Eddie but now she's Eddie right and not, but
she's still Eddie, so I'm still cool to call her Eddie.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, but I've known Eddie for a long time.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
And Eddie said, have you've done this Twitter thing and
I'm like, no, it was actually when it was Eddie
and the Barbecue Guy.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Do you remember that it was a sketch we did really, Yeah,
it was Eddie and the bark So Eddie.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Was the guy Myron Nixon. It was a barbecue chef, right,
and he was on the show. And I went into
the writer's room one day and I saw that the
names of the two guests on the on the wall,
and it was Eddie and the barbecue Guy.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I said, well, that sounds like a sick of so
we did. So we did an opening.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
It was like Eddie and the Barbecue Guy and there
was a song Eddie and this is Eddie. He's something
and he's right, but he lost all his money and
he had to move in with the barbecue guy.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
The barbecue guy is Myron. And then we had brad
because Myron wasn't there to do the little thing, but
Eddie was. We had Bradley. The little person play celebrity
chef who didn't was Jeff Yeah, and he just danced

(39:23):
around and it was, god, what a fucking mess.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Brilliant.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
It was fine, but I think what's lost from that?
And I think what's happening.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Is that what goes viral and what it seems like
people like now has that thing Like whenever I do
it in social media, like I get people that put
it upsot today on the podcast that it's not doing
me it goes up or they'll say to me, is
this okay?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
And I say, yeah, that's fine, put it up. But
I don't do it.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
But if I ever do anything, like I was in
the car a month ago or something and I said
to Megan, the seat here makes me feel like I've
shipped myself. And she said, all right, well let's film
that and I'll put it on TikTok and and that
was like a billion views for me saying that's it.
You know, Oh, I see, it makes me feel like

(40:10):
I've shipped myself. Yes, because I think that stuff still
resonates with people and there's still a hunger for it,
but it's harder to get right, you know, because because
it's controlled. Because I mean, I don't know if you've
had to pitch anything in this town recently, but it's
fucking nuts. I mean it's nuts. The amount of people

(40:31):
who are on a zoom call since the pandemic. No
one talks to each other. He's on a zoom call.
They've kept it that way.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
And then if you're pitching an idea there there's like
fourteen people or something on and they're all like m hmm, yeah,
I don't know. Well what if we yeah, know that
it's great, it's great, it's it's great.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
But no, but now what if they don't do that? Yeah?
What is something completely different? It's similar, you know. It's
very odd to me.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
And I've talked to some heavy hitters from some bit
like I was talking to Phil Rosenthal, who does that
food shoe on your network. Everybody feed everybody feed pill
or somebody feed pill or you know, and I and
I was talking to you and Phil. I said, Phil,
do another sitcom And he said, believe me, it's not

(41:23):
from a lack of trying.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yes, I know.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
It's like I just can't get it over the line.
It's like there are these gatekeepers. People think there's not gatekeepers.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Now, but there's mother more so yet there's more.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
I think it's not and it's not. We're not talking
about trying to be offensive. We're not talking about like,
oh I can't say this, this and this. Oh no,
it's just it feels like a lot of people are
pulling their punches, even even in film, Even in movies
that I see, it feels like they're holding back. And
and it's because there's so many different people at the

(41:56):
top that have a committee of this pulling everything back
for the only reason really is to appeal to a
larger market and not to.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
That's the problem.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I think if you're trying to appeal everybody and I
can't fucking know exactly, you know what I mean, And
it's it is that strange thing that you know, I'm
offended by that. It was like people are always offended
by fucking George Carlin was always getting hold over the coast,
Red Fox, fucking you know, everybody is always getting I
mean Richard Pryor, I mean.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Prior, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
But it's the idea that you could then you could
be offended, but then they take it a step further
where then they can stop you from doing the thing. Yeah,
you could be offended by the thing, but you don't
get to stop me from doing it.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, I just I don't look bothered. Yeah, but is
that still a thing?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
I mean, now I think if people get like, now
there's a you know Netflix is particularly guilty of this.
That you get guys going on Netflix making millions for
saying things that they say they can't say, but saying
them right. It's like, yeah, what the fuck is that?
You know, Like someone's got their hand in my bucket here.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
I feel it's like you're not allowed to say the
things that I'm saying for a lot of money. Yeah,
and like I feel like you are. Yeah, it's I
think it's fake. The outrage and the fear and all
that stuff both. Yeah, Yeah, it's kind of it's a
hard thing to judge. It's a real wild West thing.
There are many instances where it is real and legitimate

(43:26):
and people should be called out for things that they've done,
really truly bad things, But telling a joke. I don't
think it's one of them. I just feel like I
missed that freedom to create that we had at that show,
which is what we're kind of talking about is on

(43:47):
a network television show, we had the freedom to do
anything and we did and nobody bothered us.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
That was amazing.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
It was a real anomaly and stuff, and I was
It's why I still to this day with because really
the reason we had it is because of David Larman,
because David owned the time slot, and so CBS.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Could be angry at us, no angry us, But the
truth of my ris, they couldn't fucking do.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Anything because it was Dave, and Dave didn't give a fuck.
He was doing his own thing and didn't really notice us.
So to this day, when I see Dave, I'm still
a little frightened of him because he was the only
one that could actually cause us any trouble, and he
never did right, he never paid any attention. But he
was the only one that actually had power over us.
The rest of them were kind of like, you know,

(44:37):
they had to get in line behind Dave.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
And so that was.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Worldwide Pants, that was his company. But then the next
iteration of the show was CBS the next version of
the Late Late Show with.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Carton one one Jimmy Carton took over. Then yeah, and
then it was that was CBS. The Worldwide Pants weren't involved.
And now it's gone, Is it gone completely? Taylor Williamson,
that's a show now, yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
At midnight or now it's called After min after midnight,
So it's like a panel show, fake game show.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
It's the old panel show that Chris used to a
couple of times Retooled and on CBS, which at the
time I thought was a weird play.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
But Taylor Tomlinson is very good.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
She's very good at it. It's not my kind of show,
but I'm really impressed. And it's a it's a strange
move for CBS, but maybe it's working.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I think
in broadcast television, the numbers, I mean I.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Looked at late night numbers maybe about every couple of
months I look at them.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Maybe no, maybe not as much as that. I looked
at them fairly recently.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I'm like Jesus Christ, we would get canceled like twenty
times over for these numbers.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Like I mean, there's like three hundred thousand people. Oh wow,
I mean three thousand people watching a show wow on
the podcast television. I mean, how is that? You can't
make that work? What were we at? We were we
were neck and neck with I think we were about
two bucks or he you know, we were like two million.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I think it went down at like one point two ish.
With attrition they would go up to one point five
if you know, Tom Hanks was on or something.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
But really it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Yeah, but we were still a secret, we were still
this incredible yeah, which was the power of that show.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I think.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
I think the thing about it is as well, though,
that I'm glad that we stopped when we did.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Oh yeah, you know, I mean I was crazy. I
mean I had to get it.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
When I look back on it now, how uncomfortable I
didn't even realize how comfortable I was. And we've talked
about how uncomfortable you were, Yeah, but I was too.
And I think looking back on it, it's the thing
is is the real warning of these things. You walk
into a building.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Every day and your picture is everywhere, and your your.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Name is on all the stationery and all the you know,
kind of literature everywhere your name and your picture, and
and everybody in the building is just making sure that
you're fucking okay.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
You gotta be okay. That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Don't upset you know, you know, And that's not good man,
that's that's I mean, it starts to fuck with your head. Man,
does you get paranoid? And I think by the end
of the show, I was completely paranoid. I was like
nobody's telling it was like being a call nobody's telling
you the truth, right like you know, nobody is telling
you the truth in the office, and when you go

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out there, the only people I trusted were you two,
the robot and the horse were the only people that
were actually telling me because we were in it together.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
We were doing our own we were doing we had
our own world, you know, and nobody else was in it.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
You, you love. The thing that I figured out early
on that made you laugh the most is when I
would give you ship as Jeff for things that you
were already aware of, like oh, the late night talk
show hosts another tough night.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Sitting behind the desk, and you go, ah, fuck you.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
It was this way of you almost talking to yourself
in a way, but also blowing off steam and being like,
thank god, somebody can call.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
I think you were in the same thing.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
I mean, because I would go over and you know,
you were in the rowboats' well why don't you have
a drink?

Speaker 2 (48:14):
And why don't you hold that? And you'd be like, man, but.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
How dare you?

Speaker 2 (48:22):
But I knew it was fuck you lean into that.
You'd lean into that.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
We talked about that last time, where if someone if
I was having a bad week, or someone was having
a tough time, you go, this is perfect. They're going
to be on fire tonight. Let's lean into that. I
mean not in a mean way, No, it was just
it's part of the gig.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Well, it's also you're working with with the only people
you trust. Yeah, you know, I mean that's where I mean.
I trusted my family of course, yeah, but everyone else.
And it's Hollywood, yeah, and it's a it's a weird place.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Even for a late night talk show. That's the thing.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
Man.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
It was just a fun show. But there were some
some people there. Man, the business end of it. It
was like, yeah, man, relaxed. Yeah, it just having fun.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
But I think everyone but this is I remember when
I started doing the show, the question that I asked
more than anything else at the beginning was do you
want to take over from Dave?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I'm like, I just started in this job.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
I don't even know how to do this one, and
you're talking about the guy who's the best at it ever,
and I want to take over from him and I
don't even know how to do it at all.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
They're already sharpening their knives. I mean, it was fucking crazy,
probably patting him on the back. Yeah, you ever thought about.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Taking over for day?

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Man, yeah, yeah. They got that Christmas sweater.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
I mean it's, by the way, every Christmas Dave, not
really Dave, but you'd get a Christmas sweater or the
jacket jacket and it was from Worldwide Pants, and enclosed
in the box was a little card, very fancy font
I would just say, you know, best wish is Dave,
but it was it was from Worldwide Pants. But the

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shirt would just say like pants. She'd be walking around
like an asshole said pants would go to.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Do you remember Towards the end, things were getting a
little nutty and Rob Burnette was running Worldwide Pants and
this I think it was I was reopened for the
last two years or something, and Rob said, what do
you want?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I said, I want ten thousand dollars in a shoe
box and used bills and he sent it to me.
Really really funny.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
I was involved in that too, because he also, for
some reason, wanted the sandwich in the box.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I wanted sandwich panic and there it came to me.
They were like, we need we need the perstami sandwich.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
I said why, They're like, we're putting it in a
box with ten thousand dollars in cash.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I said, that makes no sense and it wasn't even fresh.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
I was like, used bad money. So I remember that
that was your task? Yeah yeah, I think we got
it from Canter's. But it was the pandic because everyone
had everything lined up except for the sandwich.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Did you get a sandwich?

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Right?

Speaker 2 (51:10):
We did it before the show's over.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
I can't see it.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
It's gonna be hell to pay. Oh my god, it's
so weird. You got it.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I got it, and I think for the next two years,
whenever I instead of going to the ATM, I would
just go to the shoe box.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
So the shoe box is in my office and I
was like money that smells of pastramah. It was smelly money,
but it was all right.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Nothing makes you feel I mean, I don't carry cash
now like I much do you ever? I mean I
feel bad for Valley Parking guys and people because nobody's
ever get any cash.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I to be able to tap.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
I was first fear when I got here was I
was like, how am I gonna tip that? How you
gonna I was gonna ask you guys, But now it
turns out.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
To me it's included in the fee. Yeah wait, yeah, great,
just tap on your way.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Yeah straight, you know.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Somebody that's right. I don't know how to venmo. Oh yeah, sorry,
well you're sorry.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Before we go, though, and we do have to go,
I want to talk a little bit about the fight
that you're a dad now. Yeah, amazing, dude. Yeah, So
your son is now what forty forty forty six months? Yeah,
it's been a long time.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
He's he's fifteen months, right when you stopped doing months?
Is it two years? I think? So?

Speaker 5 (52:32):
All right, I know, I just do whatever my wife does. Yes,
a right, she says fifteen She said it yesterday, so
I'm glad she did so.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Now I know fifteen months. So it's over a year. Yeah,
he's over here, say every year. And his name is Zephyr.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
His name is is.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yes, but charus, that's careful, carefully you go mad because
somebody in a tweet or let's just get out of
the way real quick.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
There was a guy that tweeted careful Chorus because I
used Jeff's Twitter one time to promote myself because I
was like, I've had enough. Nobody knows who I am
careful Lichorus, and I got all bent out of shape.
I want to thank that guy whoever. You are one
of the great catchphrases of all time. And without that tweet,
we would never have that. Ben never done it, and
I never saw that that merch related to that unnamed

(53:24):
robot skeleton. Yeah, but Yannick, yes, Wow, what does that
name come from? It comes from an Italian tennis player
who I would just liked. And I was as a
joke calling when Jen was pregnant. Ill we started calling
like the baby, you know, I'd be like, Yannick, so
did she And then like two months in we're like,

(53:44):
should we just go and commit to this?

Speaker 5 (53:46):
We both really liked it and you said it so much.
We said it so much, liked it and that's a
late night thing.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
That's what happened to do. We did things so much
right at the beginning. He was like, oh god, this
is We did that with Angela Lansbury and Paul McCartney.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
I remember, did I tell you about Paul McCartney at
the Grammys? Oh god, it was fucking terrible.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
I was presenting something at the Grammys and I walked out.
It was to Katy Perry or something that I walked
out and I just you know, they write you a joke,
some lame joke you have to read off that's gone
through a committee so that no one's going to get upset.
So it's written on some giant telepropot for stupid fucking joke.
Go out there, look at that monkey boy and read
that and go get the fuck out of here and

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be glad you're part of this show. Bys extravagant. Then yeah,
so I walk out to do the stupid joke. And
and because it's a Grammy's the front row. It's all
like people, and and Paul McCartney standing in the front
row and he looks at me.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
And I can tell you, oh, because he could, you think,
because he knew, Oh he knew.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, and he looked at me. Oh my god, a
beatle hates me a dick, And and I blame him.
I mean, we did show that picture of Angel. You
know why I did it. It's because we got a
bad review in the La Times and the show was starting.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Now this' the La Times gave it the show this,
I really tore it down and this when it when
when review that show, I mean, but it was right
at the beginning, okay, I mean because you've taken over,
you were the name taken over and like the New
York Post, I mean, I get some terrible The New
York Post said, it's so awful.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
He looks like he's wearing a wig. I'm like, I
did not make it back. Wow, that kind of makes
it better.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
I've been going, yeah, yeah, it's so bad, he looks
like he's wearing a wig. That's all right, Like, okay,
Times tore it apart and they said that I did
the same joke over and over again without any apparent irony.
I said, I showed it, said do we have a
picture of Paul McCartney, And we showed the picture of
Angela Lansbury and they got angry at it, and I thought, right, motherfuckers,

(55:58):
And I did it almost every show. Okay after that, Wow,
the Early Times was bought and sold and half a
dozen times everybody was I'm like, we were still.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
There start as a few.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Yeah, it became this hilarious, became a thing the people
still quote and still.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Post to this day.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
And it made me unpopular with Paul McCartney, which I'm
still that's upsetting, Yeah, a little bit. You know, it's
the price you pay.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I guess but that.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
But there was other times when, like I remember we
did a thing about Kevin Costner and I was like,
I can't take this, dances with Wolves things, I'm a dick.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
And I had to apologize, and I apologized and apologized,
and eventually Kevin Costner came on the show and I
apologized to him.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Things about me, Yeah, yea for it, dances with Wolves,
I can't. I can't have dance.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I think that's a big one. That's too much.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Well, you would take things at you. You you know,
many times you would refuse to say things maybe that
we're written in the monologue and yeah, because that's the thing.
You write stuff, you throw stuff out there. You decide
what you're going to say a lot of times and
you say, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
We're gonna do that. It takes time to get that
confidence because at the beginning, and that's like all the
ship that I fucked up on that show, I think
was all in the first couple of years, because you know,
you they hand you stuff. It's like going to the Grammys.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
They hand you a joke and say do this joke
and you and you do it because you think you're mad,
you know, and then do it all and then you realize, no,
I'm not doing.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Your stupid fucking that. It's true, and they go, okay, well,
what do you want to do it? They're like, ah,
all right, I learned that from you. I did when
we were doing Radio City. You had a big dance
number at the beginning, all these you know, wonderful performers,
and we were choreographing this number and there was a
video screen with Jeff on there. He and but the

(57:41):
song that was picked was we did not use it.
The song they had was smack my bitch up. Oh yeah,
yeah that's and I remember you said, you know, I
don't think that's the best idea.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Yeah, and I was like what And I you know,
because I'm like, okay, who cares.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
It's fun. We're having a good time.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
And then that was the first time I kind of went,
oh yeah, and I didn't think about that, probably shouldn't
do that. Became kind of more aware of that stuff
because when you're younger as a performer, like you.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Said, you just do everything. Yeah, you just want to
have the target.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Okay, I just want to be funny and desperate, and
you're you know, you're in you're in the crosshairs man,
everyone's watching you.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Well see that's you know, that's what I think is
tricky for people who are coming up now, Like, so
you're putting stuff out there that's digitized and now is
there forever. Yeah, and so jokes that you fuck up
on they're there, right, you know, And and you're going
people are going to if you if it works out
for you, people are going to come and find that

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joke and try and tear you down with it.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
And it's part of the that's just part of the
process important learn is making mistakes out over and over again, right,
you know, you meet people like yourself that kind of
show you a different way find another way, and you go,
oh that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I never thought of that before.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
So we'll finished this episode, yeah, like now and then,
but here's here's the pitch for like, in about I
don't know, maybe less than a year from that we started,
we'll have to discuss your contract with Netflix, and I
don't know what exclusives you've got going on right now,
We'll we'll talk, right So here's but here's my pitch
to you guys. In about less than a year, we

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do a podcast and it's just the three of us
man robot, horse, robot horseman horse, robot.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Man, whatever the whatever.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
The buildings up every week every week and we'll take
a subject every week, like, for example.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Episode one, Roman Empire, Episode two Ottoman we did got
Me into It, Steve Crazy punched in New York.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
You can do Steve Jesus got Man gees.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
There's Empire, Empire Strikes Back, Empire Strikes Empire Biscuits, Empire Biscuits,
and then Empire's Late Late.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Show brought to you by Empire Business, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
By Empire Biscuits.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Ason Shadow would roll in and just do that anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
So we're gonna so we're gonna we're gonna meet here
in a year about a year's time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yeah, and we'll just do what We'll do an episode once.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
A week only Empires. It doesn't have to be Empires.
It can be like we can put a little hat.
Oh that's a great idea, put a hat in the
middle of the and then these are the subjects that
we're going to talk about today. We shud pick one
out and I'll pick out Roman Empire because that's the
one I want to talk about. And you can pick
out Morgan's freaking's career, and you can pick out tennis

(01:00:50):
players from the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Sure, I just happened to get that, and then and
then we'll do that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Oh it's perfect. Yeah, so horse rollboat man. We picked
a subject out of the one each put in by Thomas.
Thomas will put it because he'll produce it, and then
that would just be the forest. By the way, do
you know what to I was going to tell you
this right at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Zacho pile? Do you know what it means? And check? Undertaker?

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Really so under Thomas undertake Thomas the Undertaker, Yeah he's
about right, Yeah, very friendly undertaker though.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Yeah, I do you know I had an Undertaker on
this podcast? Yeah, William Villanova, I sure did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Yeah, listen. Yes he was funny unless he wasn't funny.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
No, he was good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
You guys are assholes. You I don't even know why
we're friends. Get wait, not

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
A paper for total per