A Bethenny Podcasts Special Edition: Jill Zarin and Bethenny Frankel Reunited

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
So I have something up my sleeve tonight for you guys.
This has been a really great podcast experience overall, and
it's been amazing to connect with new people. And something
crazy happened this weekend. I'm just going to tell you

(00:33):
something crazy happened this weekend. And my fiance and I
were in the car and he had an idea and
he said to me, I have a terrible idea. You're
going to hate it. And he told me the idea
and I don't know why. I will figure out later why,
but I just said, let's go, and it escalated into

(00:56):
a full scale production. It started with like a see
it of an idea two o'clock fifty two hours ago,
and here we are, for the first time ever, I
am having a housewife on my podcast tonight, all of
my podcasts. I've never had somebody on all of my
podcasts in one night. This is an extravaganza explosion. So

(01:21):
drum roll, please welcome Jill Zarn.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Wow, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
I almost just start crying because I just it all
just like it's been a thing, honestly thirteen years, thirteen years,
and this weekend was something else. Just this like it's
just been manic and thinking about this and now we're
doing it. So we're gonna like slowly go through it.
So first of all, Ali's here, Gary's here, Jill is

(01:51):
here with I mean, they're here with Jill, and thank
you for being here. You are all hearing. We've had
some small talk and like just wardrobe changes and stuff,
because within four minutes Joe was in my bedroom changing
into another outfit. So we haven't spoken, but we I've
seen her nude, so that's good. Look good that you
looked at Yes, you look amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Talk about that.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
So but first, thank thank you for doing this, for
trusting me. And let's we're going to get into all
of it. So we're going through. We're mentioning it all.
We both need to get a hobby, and we are
mentioning it all. So this is Bethany and Jill reunited
for the first time since twenty ten Barack Obama was president,

(02:36):
and I remembered.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
How crazy is that?

Speaker 2 (02:38):
How crazy is that?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
And I remembered the you and I were together at
Sylvia's Harlem when he won the election and Harlem went crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
And I have pictures of us there. I should do.
I'll give him to post.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Give him to me. Okay, all right, So Friday, I
just want to set you up because I still Jill
doesn't know the story.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
She just came.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
We have not spoken at all since she got this.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Deliberately don't let you knew.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
We were speaking like without speaking, like your mind what
you I wasn't calling you, and I first thought like
should I call her because it seems insulting, But like
I just stayed quiet and you stayed quiet, and we'll
hear my comment.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
I talked about that in the pre interview in the
other room. I actually mentioned something a little bit something
about me.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
We were like quietly dancing and like without any you
know what I'm saying, Like we weren't talking.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
No, but there's a history there that you don't know about,
like for me, Oh okay, we'll.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Get into it. Okay, Well, we'll get there. If you
want take notes, if there's something you might miss. You
know what I'm saying, Like is that a real pen?
It feels like not a real pen? Okay, okay, So
it's like there's something you want to say, just write
it down.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
We'll get there.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
There's no this is oh hi, everyone, this is live
and unedited Okay, So there's a history with live and
being edited and you're not wanting someone to like mince
your words or mix things together, which can happen on
reality TV. So I've also never done a live and unedited.
I've never had a housewife. I've never had someone be
on all the podcasts. I've never had someone too much.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
What do you mean? But I'm confused, and maybe I'm
the only one confused when you say all the podcasts
and so I.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Have I have a Housewives University where I talk to
the person if we get to it, about their business
and like give them a grade. You're here, So I'll
be like on Zaren Fabrics, I think it was this,
like it's Housewives University. Is that a separate podcast only
it's all on the same feed and it's all part
of my podcast, But it's like marketed is like a
different in a different way.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I didn't know that. Yes, So I want to definitely
be in that school with Allison.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yes, okay, Allison could be in that school. So and
Re rants we can just talk about the state of
what we think the Housewives and how it's changed. Rewives
We're going to talk about the new show and then
this is you know, but it's gonna be available. This
is just me and this is our reunion. So that's
like how I just but I've never had someone to
my house before to do the podcast. I've never done this,

(04:42):
so I've never had guest. So there's a lot of
first tonight and I've never done a live and unedited
a podcast. But we're all going with God and trusting it.
So Friday, Paul and I were doing a lobster roll,
a lobster salad crawl for YouTube. So we went to
like five places, and you know, Paul's very level and

(05:04):
I'm very like activated, and I don't need more activation
and I don't need more projects and more work, and
you know, when we're together, it's kind of we want
to try to like be calm and brings on here
this weekend. So it's just gonna be like a relaxing weekend,
jump in the ocean, lay around, watch TV like nothing
of the weekend, maybe go out to one meal. So Friday,
and Paul's the one who had the idea to do

(05:25):
rewives to begin with. He kept not the name and
not the concept that it is now, but he kept saying,
you gotta do it. You gotta do a podcast about
everyone's doing that. And it took me six months to decide.
So Paul was saying to me in the car, he said,
I have a He said to me at two o'clock
on Friday, I have a terrible idea. And he hasn't
two o'clock Friday day, Monday. It's Monday.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
So when did you call me? Saturday?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Amy from my heart called you Friday. And we were
supposed to do this Sunday yesterday, but there was a
torrential storm that blew my house up like it was
really so Friday, Paul said, let's I have a terrible idea.
You're gonna hate it. And he doesn't know much about you.
He only knows what I've told him. He's never seen

(06:10):
one half of an episode. And I said what he said?
He said, he's here, but he said, you should rewatch
the new show with Jill Zarin and wow, and people
have asked a million things for me to do. He
looked at me in the car, were sitting in the
car and the King Colin parking lot, and I looked
at him and.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
I said, let's fucking go.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
And I said, and we have a YouTube series that
we produced that we literally pay to do. It's a
joke or like paint. It's like the movie. The producers like,
we're paying for this fluff. Yes, and and we're and
and we have the muppets that they're all here that
shoot it and we go and do these crawls and
these things that it has definitely not been monetized.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
That Bethany Frankel just admitted she's got actually like a boss.
There's somebody in Who's the boss? No, No, like Paul
like not in. I was like, what I mean, is
someone you actually respect and listen to? That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Not I mean like you like.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Paul thought this, and I agreed, and Paul thought that
I've never heard well I haven't seen him in a
long time, but there's never been someone that I knew
in your life that you will like, would respect enough.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
And I respect him and he compliments me, and we're
good at very different things. And it was a new
for me. It was a superb idea and it then
escalated into a snowball of us shooting it for YouTube
so I won't be able to see everything. I knew
that we would have to give it to them. And
there are questions about is this authentic? Am I really
doing this because of me? Am I only doing like
because of the show? Am I only doing it because

(07:30):
of that show? We can get into all of that,
mention it all, but and there is some part of
that because otherwise, why are there camry our cameras here
and why and why are we doing it for my podcast?
We could do it in the backyard. So it's a
whole mixed bag, and we're going to get into all
of it. And we are both here to be open books.
You agreed to be honest, honest, so that's setting you
up to get here to my house, and I want

(07:51):
to know you're going to be one hundred.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Percent honest, honest.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, So what was going through your mind when you
got the phone call to do this? Uh?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
I was surprised, but I wasn't going to be impulsive,
maybe because I'm medicated now and I wasn't thirteen years
ago in a good way because I I have you know,
not OCD. I was gonna say, oh, I don't have OCD,
I have anxiety. I definitely had an anxiety disorder when
you knew me for sure, I mean you could tell
just the way I couldn't and manic.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Also you get manic too, what.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
It was, but you see, how have you been with
me now for two hours? Have you seen that?

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes, like there's little spurts of it. But I'm more
like that than you. I always was like that, So
the two of us together.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Was like but not now now I can actually balance
that interesting, Yes, at least I think I can.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Maybe I'm delusion on myself.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
So you look great, and Jill showed up in a
sweatsuit because I'm wearing a dress that's thirty dollars from Express,
and neither of us did our hair and makeup. I
thought you would show up in full glam and like.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
No, I had my makeup done but light, oh okay.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Not like and then and then you didn't like your
outfit because you were wearing something you would probably wearing,
like a very a private plane, because it was.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
A right no no, But I thought we were sitting
here doing this, only I didn't realize that they were
other things. And so when we were taking photos, because
I didn't think it through. Honestly, I didn't as much
because you've been in it for forty eight hours, fifty
two hours thinking, thinking, thinking, I've been just thinking to myself,
go with the flow, just be there, be present, that's
all I'm I.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Didn't want that was intentional. And also I wasn't gonna
put on a ball gown at my house because that's
everything I don't like about housewives now. And I also
wasn't going to ambush you with interesting word in full
hair makeup and look like, oh hi, you know it's.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Just not But I also should know that you'll always
look beautiful because you are beautiful, and you wore a
pretty dress. Whether it's thirty dollars or three thousand dollars
doesn't matter. You look beautiful. So I felt a little underdressed, underdressed,
especially since we're putting out a nice photo. I wanted
to look pretty and it was so nice and opened
your closet. No, of course I wanted to like level it.
The last thing I want is you distracted about your outfit.
You know what I'm saying, So okay, So you agree

(09:52):
to do that, and I knew, wait, let me ask
the question. So you asked me what I thought of
when you call exactly? So one of the things that
went through my mind fast, and this is what I
did write it down.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Was you had a talk show years ago. We were
in a different place.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
It was still not right after what happened, but within
five something years or whatever, and I got a call
from one of your producers to do your show, and
I was excited about it. But I said to me,
you know what, I really want to hear from Bethany,
because at that point I hadn't spoken to you for
one time, not even it was before Bobby passed, so
I had not seen.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
You for a big, long run. It's been now. Really,
I say that this is now.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
I don't feel like that any Like I saw you
on a plane and it was comfortable.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
But this is the first time we've been alone since
twenty ten. We were at Bobby's funeral. Yes, we were like,
it's only shatter, this is like real talk, you know,
it's different.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Well, was still not alone because it's still them full
of people.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
But fair But that's fair, right, Like if you and
I were Candy Kitchen without a camera or mic that
and no phones.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
That's fair. That's fair.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
The last time I felt like I was alone with
you was when you came to my house when Bobby died.
When you came to my apartment, Brinn and Ali right exact.
I still felt like you and I were alone in
my own head. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
That's a distraction, so no, that should be changed on
the post.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
So anyway, So no.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
So the first thing that I thought of was that
somebody called me on your behalf and I said, if
Bethany calls me, then I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
And he never called me back.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Interesting, So that went through my head and I said, yeah,
it's timing two days time. Yes, So I went through
my head, is okay? Do I said to myself, do
I say to that person if Bethany called, I repeat that?
And I said, no, why set myself up to fail.
There's a reason why she didn't call. But she called

(11:30):
that she.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Wanted me to come on. So she was giving me
an olive branch.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
And that's okay, And that's something maybe wouldn't it been
okay ten years ago. I think I'm in a different
I'm more mature, I'm not jaded. I there's nothing for
me to win or lose. It's just a.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Different Nobody has anything you want, I say, Paul, is
no one has anything right.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
That I can't get myself. If I want it, and
I don't do anything I don't want to do like
you do. I'm at a point in my life age, money, success,
I don't do anything I want to do anyway.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
I was open.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
To it, but I said, but instead of being impulsive
saying yes or no, I say, can I call you back?
I want to talk to Ali because now that I
have a thirty year old daughter instead of a thirteen
year old daughter, I used to be her boss. Now
she's my boss, right, But she's always been the one
to look at things from a different point of view.
And her first reaction was, of course you should do it.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
And she knows me, and we saw I saw her
with Brannet's surflage and absolutely absolutely, but.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
She said, of course you should do it, and that's it.
That's all it took.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, I wasn't even entire when Paul said it. I
just was instantly thought. I just thought it was a
good idea. And also, you have a husband, you have
a thirty year old daughter. I can't even believe you
just said that sentence, like, I have a fiance, I
have a daughter. That's you told me that.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Alerson was thirteen when we became close friends. Not when
we met, because we probably met when you she was
ten or something. But when we became close friends, Ali
was thirteen. It was after her Bot mits for though,
because that wasn't on the show, so she was between
thirteen and fourteen.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
So how do you recall us meeting? I My first
recollection is you coming up to me in a movie
theater after I'd been on The Apprentice and you were
with a friend.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
That's what I remember, okay, But then you told me
that we met at Nobu with Elise Slaine.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
That was later. We all went together after that movie theater.
Then we all had dinner at Nobu with Elise Slain.
Housewives inside, which is also weird because she came on
the show not because of you, right, no, no, and
not because of me. Oh right, interesting and shewife she
was a housewife. And then I don't know, I've never
I've written it in books, but we were never speaking.
And I'm sure you've heard what I wrote about the

(13:30):
day that I was in the outfit at Polo when
I got cast on the show. So let me tell
you my election, he said. She said. My recollection is
I was in the Hampton's in my little white juicy
terry cloth romper and I was in a relationship and
I was hawking my Bethany bakes cookies and I was
running from Super Saturday coming over to Polo. I don't

(13:51):
know how I got in because I don't know anybody then.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
And that was a big deal back then. Now, tool,
you couldn't pay me to go because we're older and wiser.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
But they gave me a bracelet like to get and
I guess you could get a gift back exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
That was a big deal.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
And you came in and I later and you came
in and you saw me, and you said, literally, it
was just foreshadowing to my cocktail. You said, where'd you
get that? Where'd you get the VIP bracelet? You skinny bitch? Okay,
you said where'd you get the vipace? And I was like,
I don't know, and I really don't know if I remember,
and I remember Lance Bass was there that day and

(14:27):
there was a tent and then you said, like, we're
doing a reality show that about moms who can't get
their kids into private school or something like that. And
you said, and the producers are here, and Bobby's here,
and we want you to meet them, and I was like,
I don't even I'm not even in a very serious relationship,
like I'm gonna be on a show about women getting
their kids into private school like And then you said

(14:50):
it because you have always these big ideas. And then
I don't you like, set it and forget it. And
then Bobby brought Kira Brings over to me and we
all had a conversation about it, and I.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Don't remember the beginning everything you said. I don't remember
any of it. The only thing I remember is Bobby
saying to me beth Andy would be great on the show.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
And I said, yeah, but she's not married.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
She's it's like it's for moms, and he goes like
it doesn't matter. And then I went for the hard
cell with you. I was literally selling you doing the
show right then and there, saying it do You said
to me, I don't have I'm not married, you know,
but it doesn't matter. You want to be married, you
want to have kids like that. I want to remember
you said, but I said that right.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Also, it's more crazy because you brought a producer. I
did rolls Royce Tipolo because Bravo was going to shut
the show down. They didn't want they wanted a fifth wife.
They didn't want you guys were ready filming, but they
were like, we need a fifth wife. They weren't filming already.
You were ready filming. You did before me. There was
like they had to cut me back in at the
tennis match and put me in it because I was
there like a month later. They'd been filming, but it

(15:48):
wasn't a real show and they spent no money.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
So I'll fix that one. So we filmed the Fourth
of July party. I know you were there. I had
a Fourth of July party and.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I was at the first party. You had a first party,
and you guys, you're right.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
I had a first that was thought of July where
we were dancing in the house at night, and Ramona
was like, I was later, came in the.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Kitchen with your aunt or sister someone a friend and
we were talking later. It doesn't that's the man. I
just know that Bravo wanted the fifth wife, but they
wanted a wife who was a wealthier looked wealthier.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
And I remember talking to Andy and convincing him and
you know what's so funny, and it kind of bothered
me a little bit.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Later on you know later later on.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Somebody once asked Andy in an interview, which housewife calls
you the most? And by the way, this wasn't like
after I was on the show. This was many, many
years later, after he's had many many other shows, many
many other wives. Like I'm a housewife number six. That's
what I call myself, because they were five Orange County
and then I was like, number six, okay, and you
can literally number them all.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
You were probably number seven.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Oh, I like that. That's fine, right.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
So I would say this one hundred housewives already, and.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Someone said to him one hundred and eighty I think
or something.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
So someone said to Andy, asked Andy, who who calls
you the who's called you the most in whatever? And
he said, Jill's Aaron. And I'm thinking to myself, first
of all, that cannot possibly be true. I was on
the show for four years. There's been a thousand housewived.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
It might have been at that time, at that moment,
but at that time, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
But there was so many.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
And then the other thing what I said to myself,
and yeah, you know why I was calling you so
much because I was trying to get Bethany on the
fucking show.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Oh that's back. Oh that was a long time.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Do you remember how many calls I'm like trying to
sell you and I'm trying to sell this one. Yes,
I was on the phone with him and lean on
my own self.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
But you didn't want. You wanted the show to happen
so badly because they were not they were not sure
they were going to continue. And you took a producer
in the rolls Ars and you go, let's go to
Polo and the Hamptons. We'll find a housewife.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
No, that's what she said. Well this is what happened.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Well this one, Bravo wanted to get another housewife, and
they wanted They sent Cure to the Hamptons to do it. Okay,
they put her in a motel out in Montalk because
on a map, you know where I lived, and Water
was very close to Montalk. It's like an hour and
a half in traffic. So I said to her, listen,
don't tell Bravo stay in my house.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
I have.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Staying in her house because I was being nice. Bravo
never knew that I put her in my house because
they wouldn't like it, or in your trunk exactly. No,
So I said to her, well, I'll introduce you to everybody.
Let's go, and I took her to Paulo, I took
her wherever I could to find people. I networked the
whole post. I know, obviously, but that's how she got

(18:12):
to my head.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Money, get me a housewife, have to get the plane
to take Ali. Yeah, so that is why. So it
is Jill and Bobby why I was on the house
if that is the true story. And Kira Brings deserves
a shout out because she I didn't want to do
the show. How about I said no. Oh, that's why
there was another couple of weeks or months because I
said no right after she came and shot me. And

(18:33):
then I said no because I was in a relationship
with the guy. Didn't want to be were worried about him, Yes,
he was whatever, And so I said no, And you
guys kept shooting, and I was I keep forgetting. I
was intrigued by it, so I kept thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
And I'm not selling you to do it. It's gonna
be good for your brand. It's going to be good
for you. And I'm telling Andy you got it. Have
Bethany it doesn't matter that she was on the Apprentice.
That's you know, it doesn't matter. It's a different network,
it's a different day, and she's so funny.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
There's only one b Well, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
No, And by the way, since then, there's never been
anyone who that kind of sense of humor. Oky, Okay,
So I want this is why you'd be really honest.
So knowing that you were very largely responsible for me

(19:20):
being on the show, I mean beyond like I'm saying,
very largely because Bobby and Kira were also part of it,
you know, like absolutely very largely your your little pod
plus Kira was entirely responsible for me being on the show.
Did you later resent my success and like what I
made out of it?

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Did you feel okay?

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Not only did I not resent your success, what I
resented was that you didn't want to share anything with me.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I was happy for you.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
But do you know this one thing I remember that
I don't want to say hold on too, because I
don't hold onto, but I'll tell you it's something I remember.
I want to see if you remember this. I remember
when you were starting out, and you know, I'm obsessed
with private plans. I don't have to tell you that.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
I know.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
I was just talking about the big PP on the show.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
You said to me that if I do two million dollars,
If I make two million dollars, I'm going to take
you on a private plane. And I remembered it, and
I was like, is she going to remember?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Well, now I'm going to do it because I didn't
have two million dollars when we were still friends.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
No, that is true. No, No, but I'm saying, I
wonder if she'll remember that it.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
No, but I remember we were talking in Darren Fabrics
about the PP and the private plane and.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
All that obsessed obsessed.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well that's that's honest, and that's honest. Especially you did.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
You've done things that I've wanted to do. Like right
after we, you know, had our fight and you had
your own show, you did you took an r V trip.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Do you remember that on your show?

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
On the bus you did this RV? Yeah, al, the
tour bus.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Is that my dream? My dream is an RV. So
I'm like, oh my god, she's like living my dream.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
But we weren't friends then.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
No, But you know what I I I felt so
bad that I missed your wedding, like I never thought
that I wouldn't be there for your wedding, Like, no matter.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
What, I always was so happy for you.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
And I know I think it was hard for you
to believe that someone could really be happy for you.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
And act believe it. I believe. What I believe is
I believe that I validate and acknowledge gatekeeping certain things.
You made it very challenging to share certain things because
if I told you, if I told you, if you
said to me, what's that and I said, schlepimental sent
it to me, you'd call them in five minutes and
they might not have wanted me to like you, you

(21:26):
were grabby. I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I want you to be honest.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
You were very grabby and like you, I did a show,
and let's not be like, I don't know, it's okay
because these are things. I'm glad I was hosting it
and I was the first one to ever do that.
And they were like Joe's Aaron wasn't very happy about this.
She was like, why not you said that?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
And never I don't know who said that, But I mean,
I I'll own my ship and I do own my
all my shit I never happened. I never there was
never a show. First of all, I don't remember what
the show was, but I remember you did say it
on like the Today Show. Is something about that that
there was that you had heard that I told somebody

(22:06):
that I don't want you to have something that it
should have been me. Never happens. Well, let's scar to
you it is.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
But let's just the fact that you that if there
are two housewives over on whatever show right now and
they're best friends, they leave the show, their friendship changes.
It's just a very top sick environment that you are
the first person I said think that ever said that word.
But like, friendships are real, but it's terrible for a relationship.
It's terrible for a friendship and all, it's terrible for
a marriage. But also like you're a thoroughbred horse and

(22:33):
you come out of that fucking gate and it's it's
a zero sum game. It's someone's winning and someone's losing.
If you are looking amazing, someone else in that fucking
scene is looking like shit. You don't know that until
watching the show. My point is everybody on that's having
these different experiences, especially in the beginning. It's like the
fucking running of the bulls. So whatever I'm getting everybody's
worried about.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Get you were.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Panicked going into one season. I don't have a thing.
What's my thing to close?

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Closed?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
No, meant like a thing. You were felt like the
race had started. I understand this by the way I
would feel the same way the race had started. I
knew what I wanted to do. I knew what I
wanted my business to be. And at that point in
that show, you were aware because you were watching what
was happening. You were aware that, like you wanted to
be monetizing it too. In some way. I don't mean
this is.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Jealous, for sure. I mean I could, I could write
a book about fomo. No, totally have fomo. But this
is the difference, okay.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
No, I mean you wanted to utilize the experience because
the clock had started. We were an entrepreneur, absolutely saying,
and you couldn't find the thing, and I needed help
figuring out what that thing was. It took me like
ten years, but it's just not easy in the moment
someone has a gun to your head to say what
the thing is.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Carol Rads, your thing really started after we were friends.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Nobody evolved. I was a chef, cook in your kitchen,
and then the low calorie thing, and I was It's just.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
There's no question, and I there's no question that I wanted.
I like to learn from other people and I do
get fomo. But the one thing about the show, I
never wanted my own show. I loved being an ensemble.
And I think that you might have thought that I
wanted like my own thing, and I was jealous that
you got your own show.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
I was never just I.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
You never wanted to the powers that be in a
way that was problematic, and it might have been about
something else, and I don't want to do that, he said,
she's because I just like you.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Though, unless it comes from me, from in life, unless
you hear it from the horse's mouth. And I think
you know now with life experience, it's not always well,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I mean, I guess because I'm thinking of it. We
have to mention it all because the real breakdown happened,
and often this happens on housewives, and I haven't said
this has happened with Carroll and myself. The real breakdown. Now,
keep in mind, audience that you're this is not now
when people can go to literally Housewives University and study
everything to wear and to do and become a professional

(24:45):
housewife by the time they get on This is years.
We were in a brand new thing, doing a brand
new eye. You were making the rule book. I I
don't know what you made. I made. I think we
made hundred and fifty dollars. I was the first contract. Yep, okay.
For the first season, I was wearing my me down
turquoise used Ralph Laurence sweater in my living room, doing
my own makeup. It was not what it is today.

(25:07):
So we all weren't a new thing and it exploded,
and Ramona knew it was gonna get Remember I did too.
I remember, I did not.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
I didn't even know what we did that New York
Times I think was The York magazine. We did some
photo shoot and I just remember Harper's Bizarre. Harper's Bizarre
was the biggest one. You were freaking That was season two.
Oh okay, no, But there was a point I don't
know before we got on TV. I just remember looking
at all of us saying, you know this is going
to be this is going to be big.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I think this is going to be really big. And
I didn't think it would be twenty years big, No
going to be fair, Ramona. Not only did she call
the ratings, but the way there was something else. I
just lost my thoughts. But it was she thought the
ratings were gonna be huge, but there was something else
about you didn't think it was. Okay, I'll get there.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I have a question.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
I don't mean to be out of order, but you
brought up you brought up Carol's name. Do you think
that Carol would do you think you could do this
with Carol based on your friendship with her?

Speaker 1 (25:57):
I don't want to do I mean, respectfully, I don't.
I don't want to do this with Carol. It's just different.
There's not it's not it didn't go as deep, Okay,
I was just it was just and it got dirty
or oddly. So it's it's not.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I'm just curious because you brought her name up. That's right.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
No, I brought her name up because what I was
trying to say to the audience is that, like, you
get into this thing, you don't know what it is.
You're experiencing fame for the first time. Oh, I said
to somebody, this could be a cultural phenomenon. Claire Mercury,
who was Billy Joel's publicism, she said, it's not stop.
It's not going to be a cultural phenomenon anymore than
the guy from the liquor company that I said skinny
Girl could be a fuck you brand. He's like, shut up,
I don't know what you're talking about. But it became

(26:31):
a cultural phenomenon. But we were in the beginning of it.
And oh, Ramona was right about New York did. She
doesn't have good messaging, as Paul often says, I don't,
but she said that New York really put the house
was on the map, not Orange County was first. But
we were in im Media City, the show was being
filmed in the.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Press was on us.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
We got the Harpers bizarre, I know it was different.
So she but no, shame on them. I mean they
they broke you know, they they started.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
It, no question. I'm just saying she stumbled on our words.
But because you don't need to and not everything needs
to do else.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
I remember from that first season this. I told this
to Gary today. Do you remember Linda Stossi from the
New York Post. She used to write their reviews. Okay,
so when the first the show first came out, and
the ratings came out, and people writing reviews. I opened
up because I used to read that every day, and
I'd opened it up and it had four things right,
and I was so excited. And I remember calling someone

(27:22):
up saying, oh my god, we got four stars on
page on, you know, in the New York Post. And
they looked like, Jill, she's not four stars, it's four
garbage can she trashed.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
You couldn't even have more.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
So there's four stars and then there's one garbage can.
I'll pay one thousand dollars for Jill to say garbage.
We had four Paul's laughing, like Paul's faces read. Paul
and Garrett are sitting next to each other, like I
need a picture of that. Okay, that's beyond They're They're
sitting next to another, laughing.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Cover the belly, Honey, cover the belly.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay, Paul. If I ever said that's to Paul, he
would be in a therapist's office for ten years.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
He just SATs kidding me.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Okay, so so no. But what I was gonna say
to you was the off season. It happened with Carol too.
The off season is when your mind gets crazy, you're
still living in all the garbage that lived in the
last season. You're ready to go the next season. And
Bobby had had a health scare. Sorry Gary talking about Bobby.
It's just nory.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Gary talks about it more than Bobby because we He
has utmost respect for Bobby's am right, and I compare
him all the time.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
So Bobby had had a health scare, but it felt
like it was all being teed up for next season,
and I respect that as much as I respect today.
I was teeing everything up for this. I didn't like
talk to you that much before. I wanted it to
be here. And when you're doing this sport, your mind
gets fucked, no more no less than Kyle and Mauricio

(28:43):
getting the cameras up the Sandovals. Your mind gets fucked
and you don't know the difference between what you should
be doing private life.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I always had a problem with that betening what was
real what was fake? When we had that thing with
was what.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Was real, what was content? I don't mean fake y.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
So when I went to Ramona's house, and I call
it being ambushed because I had no clue.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
First of all, I didn't know your father was sick.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
I didn't know any of that because you know, there
was no social media then, so it wasn't like I
could open up a book and you know, And of
course I know what Bethany is because she tells everybody.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
That's also that part, isn't it to be on. I'm
gonna be as honest as I can possibly be in
the same way that you used the Bobby card a
little bit. That was a card my father's sick. Like
I didn't really like my father.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I'm not gonna say that.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
But the whole group, that's what happens on the housewise,
what happens on that father just died, And so I'm like,
of course it's a thing, your fucking killer be killed.
So it's like, yeah, I didn't say, but I mean
by that I wanted to have a real That's not
entirely true. My father dying was a thing in my
life because it was a complicated relationship. It wasn't like

(29:45):
I was having a Mardi Gras party. It was upsetting,
But certainly I know the fact that you came over
and we weren't in a good place. It's it's it's like,
it's it's layering it on and I you let you
used the she didn't visit Bobby, and like then I
was like having to calculate the flowers I sent and
all that shit. That's the fucking house.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Wise because you know why bethaned it because I couldn't
tell the real truth, the real truth of why I
was mad at you, because they were the reason I
was mad at you, because you know, I know you
said get a hobby or whatever. The reason I was
mad at you is because I was hurt, and maybe
I didn't, you know, I didn't express it.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I didn't. I was hurt that I was losing you
and I was being left out of everything.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
And I know you say it in it's a different way,
but like I remember when you went on vacation, you
got invited for a free trip, and I wanted not
for the free trip.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I wanted to like be with you, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
And then I was on your bed and I was broke,
and you did take me into your home.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
And I never counted that.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
I never did.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I never cared about that Bobby fed me or whatever,
but I never said that just you know, I never
said I don't even care. It was true, I had
no plan. I don't know, but I never said it.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
It wasn't that's not something.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
What I cared about is that I felt I lost you,
and I couldn't really say that I was hurt by
things that you had said, like there was there was
something you were on the Today Show.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I'll never forget it.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
And I interviewed you, and maybe you were mad at
me at the time, and they said, well, how did
you get on the show, And you said a producer
found me, And that was like a dagger to No.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
That was the crux because I read about that in
New York Magazine. That's when you were like, okay, all
bets are off, and you mentioned it in New York Magazine,
and I had said it many places, and to this day,
I've said it in my book that you brought me
on the show, and.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
I know you have.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
But that day, no, I believe that you felt left out.
I believe that you were. I don't like the word jealous,
let's use a better word. I believe you were slightly
envious and confused by all that was.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
I wanted to come along with me, and I believe
I wasn't envy that I wanted it. I wanted to
do it with you, not like being your partner.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I remember you.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Said to me, I wanted to do a talk show.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I said, well, I would never want to do a
talk show talk show with you, but I would love
to be a guest on once a week.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Like that, I don't want to be remembered. To my
mind is going, I don't want to be equal. I
just like wanted to be part of I know you
wanted us to go and be Lucian Ethel the whole way,
and I think I wanted to be a solo. Yes, yeah,
and that's the crux. Say no, but that was the crux, right,
and you also wanted the credit of that you got
me on and like you didn't get it there and
it just knocked it and then and then your face

(32:04):
my opinion as a person that I said, Paul Paul's
our camera guy was saying before, like what is this
in sports?

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Who is this?

Speaker 1 (32:11):
And like meaning if I'm I'm if, I'm if I'm
Todd Michael Jordan, if she Sky Pippen, And then he's like,
is she a Hall of Fame player? I'm like she
would have been in the Hall of fame. I think
she fumbled the ball. She would have been, she is
a Hall of Fame player. But I think she fumbled
the ball because you would have been and you wouldn't
have maybe wanted the whole go the whole way and
your life became better. But I'm saying you, I think wanted.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
There was a moment, right.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
You know you are an excellent you are an excellent housewife.
But I'm saying to you your fatal error was having
all It's like a it's like a wave cresting through
the off season. That's when the fucking mind goes crazy.
And you came in hot at that fashion show, not
talking to me all summer about you weren't there for Bobby,
and you saved it and you brought it in, but

(32:55):
I would it. But you know what would have resolved
this show.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Let me say the biggest different of all where everything
would have changed had you done season four and not
gone on your own.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
We would have made.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Up interesting the show.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
That's why all the other shows, but.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
It would have been We would have but it would
have gotten dirty, and it would have been for the
show because it's not your mind, because you can't be.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Real unless That's where I got fumed up because when
I went to Ramona's that day and got ambushed. The
reason why, and that was one like when people say,
what would you do differently? Okay, Well number one is
I would not I would have made up with you
on that sofa, but I wanted to make up with that.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
You wouldn't have made up with me for real, you
really felt the way you felt based on it.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
I did know everything I did was real, right, but
I'm just saying that now that I know better. Right
as a housewife, I would never have let that opportunity
to go. But I also didn't know that there's no okay,
your father passing away, you getting pregnant, and there was
one other thing that happened, was it moving or whatever.
It's like I could never come back out of that,

(33:55):
like I.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Can never like you can't get in. I couldn't get it.
As much as you want us to do things together
now you're an outside, not just that.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
And then when I went I remember when I found
out you were engaged. We were at a party like
a club or something. I remember too, and I wanted
I didn't know I was waiting for Bobby because I
was like again, but the ambush. Jill doesn't do well
with surprises. That's what made me a great housewife because
anytime you surprised me, I couldn't handle it.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, but we were in a sport also, and you
had dropped the boat. No, I didn't. What do you
mean I knew, but I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
I'm saying I know, I knew, an I was just
waiting for Bobby to go over to congratulate you. But
again it was too late, Like if I had done
it ten minutes earlier, I would have been and then
the next day I'm sending you flowers, I'm doing everything.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
It was too late. But also, let's be honest too,
Bravo was telling you, Bravo knew this was a bad idea,
and Bravo was saying, you need to make up with her.
This isn't gonna be good, bra But I tried to
explaining to people have the sausage ie, like this is
fucked up. This is why this is this White people.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
By the way, that's not true. You know Andy says
that I told you to make up with Bethany.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
That's not true.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Well, Andy told me to marry Jason. Here we go, No, no,
by the way, no, but that's not true.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
I don't remember him ever saying to me until it
was too late, like November. We started filming, by the way,
like in August September, and we finished at the end
of December, So mid November he said to me how
to make up with Bethany. It was already too late.
It was after the same time.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Just said no. But I think that no. I also
think you were coming into the next season and you
had no You were coming into the fashion show season
with all this bubbling up about New York Magazine, and
I didn't give you the credit, and you walked in.
You came in hot, and they probably were like, just
like me and Carol, this should get resolved before the season.
They probably didn't want you to come in. They wanted

(35:32):
Lucy and Ethel.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I think who they didn't.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
But anyway, the point is is that I definitely made mistakes,
and I wanted to be there for you when you,
you know, got pregnant and all that stuff, and you
just want to let me in like that was it?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Why didn't you want to let me back in?

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Every time I every time I did something it became public.
I sent a freaking gift basket for Bobby. It became public.
Everything that happened you then would later leak if you
didn't get the result you wanted, like if the next
week we weren't friends or made a sound. I don't
remind I know that, I know. I'm listening.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I'm not arguing.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
It's fine. It's not hostile. You're not arguing. It's just
arguing with you. But here's like, let's set the scene.
Something happens, we see each other. There's a little olive branch.
You said to me, I'm sorry that Dennis passed away,
or congratulations on your baby. We start talking. Then I
just kind of like, either blow you off or don't
go to your gift bag party or something I don't
want to do. And then it becomes you get a
little hurt.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
You go.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
People get hurt, and they go and they retaliate and
not intentionally, but someone asks you a question and you're
always honest, You're unfiltered, so you tell them and then
I'm like, fucking I gotta live the gift basket that
I sent to Bobby and the thing I just didn't want.
You know, Listen, this whole day is curated today here
and it's orchestrated. But I'm not into like you tomorrow,
and I know you wouldn't. There's no question. I am
totally trust you. I know your revolt. I think we've changed.

(36:49):
I know what we talked about on the plane, but
back then it felt like everything was a little bit
of converse, you know what.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
I was a different person ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, and I do.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
That's why we're here now, absolutely, And I want you
to know, like even the last couple when you came
to my apartment with Bobby, you know, when Bobby died
and I said I'm not going to say anything to anyone.
I never did, and like that would have been something that,
of course, you know, to tell someone. I never told anybody,
only when it came out.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
But there were a couple of things that you would
say later. When it came out. You were like, I
think she maybe just want no no. But that was
after it came out on the show. I was so devastated.
I had no idea that you were going, and I
remember that I was going. You were wearing this gorgeous
silver jacket, so I remember to the funeral. No, no,
you came to my apartments to pace with Britain. Okay,
I said to you, I'm not going to tell anybody
you were here like this means so much to me,

(37:32):
and my sister was there and now it was there.
And by the way you can hear I'm telling my flaws.
I'm telling you it meant a lot to me too,
and I love Allan. We always had a close relationship,
and I wanted her to see Britain. I was so
excited when she started the Serfflage and I wanted to
be there and we can we're going to go through
that hole how that happened. But I wanted to be there,
And but that doesn't mean that tomorrow I want to
get married, like I'm a Paul and I were at

(37:53):
a story.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
No, we didn't know. What I'm saying is that I
was shocked that it was on the show. I had
no idea that you were leaving me to go film,
that you were at my house. Oh god, I'm in
the fucking sewer. I had, Oh.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, well but you can't, so you can't can't.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
But what do you mean, But I've been off the
show for years. I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Hold on, hold on, you just didn't know.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I didn't know you were filming that just filmed the funeral.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Hold on a minute.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Can we talk about this? Yes, because I back up.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
With them and give them in small bites there and
she knows, hold on small bites. Small Bikey Cohen texts me,
calls me. I'm in a nail salon in Aspen, says,
Bobby passed away. I loved Bobby. That is a side like,
not a side thing.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
No, I believe it.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I know you did.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I quote him all the time, but Bobby one more.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
That's it he was.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
I loved Bobby, and he's here is a gentle soul.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Just be just be.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh my god, that's so funny. This is a sign
behind me. Just piece just Bobby. So Andy says to
me something about it, and I don't And and again
this is me being a thousand percent.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I know when I heard you want to show kind
of punt the ball to him when this came up, mh, Well,
because you aren't gonna lie, and you just said listen
and you answered the question Andy.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Oh, because he was trying to make it like the show,
but I think he was making it like I knew
what was going on. No, but you were you did.
I think that we First of all, Bobby liked the show.
It was part of our experience. It's good content. It
doesn't have anything to do with you being a good
person loving you.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Wanted a film too. No, okay, let me tell you
what happened. Okay, Okay.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Someone who worked for me, I'm not gonna mention his name,
Andy tells me she Jill.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Says Bobby would have loved when he was hold On,
let's get real. Andy said to me that when Bobby
was in the cat in the in the in the hospital,
or when he was sick, that you said to him,
he would love to you to cover this or to
see this or something like that he loved the show
and that you wanted there to be cover ridge of
like not meeting him being very sick but him Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
And he tells me something that's right to do, something
that is true.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Okay. He said that it was an overall thing.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yes, okay, that you but me. I'm gonna just tell
you this, okay, but then you know this is the truth.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Hold on. But then he said in the thing, I'm
just telling you what he said.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Then you can go.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
You and he said Jill said, you can bring the
ca you could bring the cameras to the funeral. That's
what he said to me.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Not you said, okay, if that was true?

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Would they need a release from me to forget my
voice on camera?

Speaker 1 (40:28):
No? I know I have heard you say this.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Would they need a release from me?

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yes, do they have one?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
I don't know. I will tell you they do not
because Barry Bernstein also says the same story.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Andy and I had dinner with Barry. Barry, and you
know what Barry said to me. I know the truth.
When I asked her, I said, you know, they don't
have a release on me. She goes, I know, I said,
so why did they do it? You know what she
said to me. They counted on you not suing. I
believe you, but I so. I I tell you there's
no release, then you have to know I didn't know.

(40:57):
If I'm telling you there's no release, I don't have
to know. But if you tell me that you didn't know,
I'm gonna believe you. I don't care about it release,
but I don't want you to know because I'm Allison.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
We don't need Allison.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
She wasn't even going to be down here like no,
but she was at.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
The I don't need it. When I saw you, I
saw you walking out of the funeral, in the funeral,
in the procession. When I was walking out after we
had the funeral, and I was oh, and I saw you.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I died.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I had no idea you were this Christ. That's brutal
for me.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Hold on, let me tell you what happened. Because I
saw you, my heart dropped. I couldn't believe you were there.
And you looked drop dead with this black hat and
this black suit like and I was so happy, and
I said, oh my god, I didn't know you were
an aspen.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
I knew nothing right you were there, and I was
so happy. Okay.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Then I come downstairs and someone who works me, I
say who or actually he didn't work for me then,
but he was a friend, says to me, Beth, and
he wants to talk to you before she leaves, and
he grabs me and I walk over.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Who does this? Somebody that works with the crew, someone.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
A friend of mine, he used to work for me.
It doesn't matter. I okay, I'm telling you the truth,
and I've got okay. Okay, So my sister was with me.
Psychic Jen Jen was there. Ali was with me, and
he was with me, and he says, Bethany wants to
talk to you before she leaves. And I was so
happy that you were there, and I came over. Now
I did see cameras. I right there was TMZ. I

(42:21):
had no I no, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Know who the cameras were. Oh, I wasn't on a mic.
You want a mic? I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Fascinating.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
So when we hugged and all that, and I'm wearing
bug glasses. You have to know I'm a little vain.
If I knew I was being filmed, I wouldn't have
looked like that. I still would have had mad.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
So I literally I need a minute. I had need
a minute. You need to know.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Okay, I literally, if if I believe you and I
hand to hand to God, should Bobby give me a second?
Because I first didn't want anything to do, and then
I didn't want to do with it, and then yes,
I thought, she wants them there, and I know you
and I thought and by the way, you weren't upset
that it not. I didn't sue them because I wasn't
the way they handled it. I'm going to get to
how I really feel about that, and it's going to

(43:03):
be fairly explosive and it's going to be a fairly
big statement in a second, because I got to process that,
because if I were home, I'd be like on a
couch thinking I was I had no idea, because I
what you're saying is I fucking ambushed a funeral for
reality television.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Sorry, that's what Ramona was saying. Is now, of course
I had no idea the cameras were going to be there.
Forget the other. Okay, I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
That nobody knew.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
I didn't know, right, Okay, sod By the way, you
know when I found out when it aired, when the
commercial started in January, and I saw myself and you
on every single fucking commercial, but the entire season was
me and you make.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
It enough, And I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
It's disgusted. I love you. I don't need al. I
love you. Stop. You need to know there hand to go.
Stop with Ali. You're alone and with me, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
So because you I'm gonna lose my train of thought.
So so that's disgusting. It was disgusting Okay, that's disgusting.
That's literally the most disgusting thing I've ever heard. Now,
just know that I don't know if I would have
gone to the funeral if we weren't shooting it. I
don't know, Like I don't know what I was going
to do enough, only because it was a spectacle and

(44:09):
it would have been a thing and fair enough. I remember,
I don't remember. No, I'm saying it's the same thing
we're saying this whole time. I don't know what not real, Okay,
so I'm saying the truth. I don't know. But once
it got going, I knew that it would be like
so compelling in an amazing interesting moment. And again like

(44:30):
seeing Allie, it was totally real when I saw you.
I mean, I loved Bobby and it was real. I
don't know, Just like I don't know that I wouldn't
go to someone else's like me going to a funeral
that would have become a circus because I'm going there
isn't necessarily what I do. I would have gone to
the Shiva, no question.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
I believe you when you think I would have thought,
because I was okay with it. Had I known about it,
I might have been okay, exactly, you might have done it,
but they had no idea. And that's why there's no
wa because nobody ever called me after. I didn't know
about it till it aired, and Barras they counted on
me not suing because that I'm, you know, as they say,
thirsty to come back and this and that, which wasn't true.

(45:08):
But I don't want to bite the hand that fed me.
Brabo was good to me. I felt that they handled
it respectfully. The fact that I didn't know or didn't
know the audience saw something that was a beautiful moment.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I was definitely taking advantage of, you know how, But
because that's an ambush on me. If I show up
to a funeral in a black hat and glasses and
a dress and get out of the car and you say,
what the hell are you doing here? How that would
be like they that would be like the worst thing
that like it's it's just a it's just a disaster.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
The whole thing is disgusting.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
And that could have gone that way because I didn't know,
and I could have been disgusting and it's embarrassing. And
it's why when I got together with Paul and he
could see with a clear mind. He was like, what
the fuck are you doing here? And the sewer and
it's it's really disgusting. It's absolutely disgusting. That's disgusting. And
I apologized because it was a spectacle in a circus
and yes you know, and yes there's the lines are blurred,

(46:02):
But like, I want to.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Back to why. So now you came to the Shiva
call right not knowing that the funeral was filmed.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
So I'm thinking you wanted us at the funeral. Now
you're making a big deal that I was filming after
the Shiva exactly who cause.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
I had no idea you filmed the thing.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
So now I'm like, wow, this is off the record, right,
like we're going to keep this quiet. And you didn't
say anything otherwise. And then when I saw the show,
you were wearing the same silver jacket and I'm like,
oh my god, she left my house and went to
film after we just had this like real moment.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
So nothing's really I get where you're coming from one
hundred percent, and it was where to do and I
but now you understand what I'm saying, why.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
And I'm happy that you know now what really happened
That's what I'm saying. You don't always know.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Think you know.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
I think you. I thought you wanted the funeral to
be covered, and you did admit.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
That you want the funeral covered, but not without me
knowing about it.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Right, okay?

Speaker 3 (46:47):
But did you ask for them to caysk We asked
them if there was I think the shiva.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
We wanted to have the girls come over. You're a shiver.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
The person who worked for you called them and said
she would be open to.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
The doing shiving.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
You know what happened. You want to know how horrible
it is. Roddy fifty shades agree though a person saying
you're welcome to the ship.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
The part is knowing and not knowing. I didn't know
that you were there to film. I had no idea.
I thought you were there for real because I didn't
know the cameras were there.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
That is an ambush, right okay? Okay?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I mean is so crady, But let me talk about
the shive. And this is what hurt me.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Also is that I invited the girls over whether and
they wanted to film it. I didn't care if they
filmed it or not. They wanted to film it. And
I said, well, you can't really film the real Shiver.
That's not okay. It has to be on Friday after
when they faced when they found out. Listen, when the
girls found out that you filmed, because they didn't know
you filmed either, by the way, miss Okay, your co
stars and they told you this. They didn't know that

(47:37):
you were bringing cameras to Bobby's funeral.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
When they found listen, who from them?

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Hold on?

Speaker 3 (47:42):
When they found out, you know what they said to Bravo,
We're not going to Jills to shoot Shiv.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
And I was hurt because I'm like, and that's also
not real. It's more bullshit.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
No, but it was okay when I said to Plavo, right,
you're not on purpose. What I'm saying is so I
wanted Bobby's funeral to be covered in some way that
he passed, not the funeral. I wanted his passing to
be recognized on the show, even though I was off
the show and coming to pay their respects.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
That a SHIV call was the way to do it.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Funeral life, and they told me they wouldn't do it,
and they didn't tell me why. They just said that
they didn't. They couldn't come on Friday period. That was
it when it all happened and came out, and I called.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Okay, I.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Would have liked the girls to come over on that
Friday afternoon after real Shiv.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
It was a over to film.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Just coming to pay their respects, to say that Bobby passed,
how great he was, talk about memories, show a little
bit of footage and the end. I wouldn't get paid.
I didn't ask for any money ever. I just asked,
wanted that covered. When they called me back, the producers said,
the girls can't come.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
They're busy.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Wow, okay, this one can't come. Sonya can't come, Ramona
can't come.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
I was hurt.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
It is what it is. Now fast forward I see
the commercial of you and me and I'm like, what
the fuck is this?

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Then I see I call up.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
I don't remember the order, but somehow I got a
hold of Ramona or Lawanne and they said, no, we
weren't going to come because Bethany covered the funeral and
we didn't know we would have. We were there, Jill,
they were there, Ramona came, Lewanne came, Derenda came. They
all came to the funeral. They weren't on the show
at the funeral. They were mad that they didn't get
recognized as showing up.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
By the way at the funeral. Okay, that's funny to
you hearing this, No, I'm hearing this. No, it connects
because also the girls later were making it like, oh,
you you go to a you you you exploit the
funeral on camera.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
They just were mad it wasn't there. They were mad
they weren't there. So that's where they they.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Punished.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
I don't want to say me, And they wouldn't come
respect Bobby because they were mad that you did it
by yourself and didn't ask.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
But hold on, let me take them. Man. You believe
all of this story and convoluted and confusing, and we
don't want to get stay in the weeds too long.
But I will say that I think it's the funniest
that the girls got mad at me that they were
playing a supporting role, not a leading role. That's the funeral.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
They wanted to be stars of the ship. Not all
of them were, by the way.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
I'm not going to I didn't know because they all
stood on a big soapbox about that. I went to
the funeral on cameras. Some of them did not all
of them, so a soapbox, right, Derenda and Ramona did, yeah, exactly. Okay,
all right, let's take a breath, just for a true seconds. Okay, okay,
that's a lot, right, so let's take a breath.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
So what.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Do you think it's like to have a friendship on
the Housewives?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (50:25):
The New New Housewives aired last night, and then afterwards
I watched Andy, I watch What Happens Live, and I
could almost read Andy's mind. They're all together Kumbaya. And
then at the very end, there was a little something
between two of the girls. One gave the other one
a little bit of a bite and she was like pissed.
And I'm thinking I could read Andie's mind saying way
to the reunion, like you're all friends today every week?

(50:50):
And you know what he said? How much do I
have to pay you? I don't remember what he said,
something about that. You know that promised me you're not
going to call me when you don't like the edit,
you know what I mean, or when you don't like
the way you look. And only one girl said she
wouldn't call Jennally.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
We're gonna do this on the other show.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
I know but what my point? What was my point?
My point is is can you be friends and be
on the show. Well, we'll find out what the New
New York Housewives. They're all best friends as of today.
Let's see what happens.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
But they're not real best friends. Their best friends because
they're on a show together. That's right.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
So that's what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Well, no, can you sustain a friendship?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Yeah, well, a friendship that you make on the show
or a friendship that you had before.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Either big difference. I think there's a difference.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
You think you can. I think it'd be hard to
sustain any friendship on in a deep, deep way.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
I think if you're both willing, I think that you
and I did for the first two years. I agree,
and I think we could have done this. I think
we could have done season three. But I think that
a lot of things changed for you. Getting married.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Has a Housewives friendship that has lasted from the beginning.
This is from the other show. But I just actually
want to know if we let me think about that
and get back you kind of write that down. So
let's tell the story about I have a vivid memory
in the Hamptons of me negotiating our contracts.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
What was it you were a little bit wrong. Nope,
I'm gonna tell you where it was. You're ready, you're
gonna do now. I'm gonna bring you back. You're ready.
In front of Sex with the have a new men's
store on Main Street. Well, you were on the phone
with Anti Cone literally negotiating for thousand dollars for the
second season.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Second season.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
No, we didn't get that much. A second. I'm gonna
have been third. Yeah, you're right, because then okay.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yep, second season, and and they offered us yes, and
you and I said, you said whatever you say, and
you were right. But you I heard you talk about
this recently. You were right on Bethany do it. It's
up to you. But where it was. It was in
front of saxon Main Street.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I haven't had many I started in your closet.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
But I'm just telling you. I remember you on the phone,
and you were so proud of yourself when we went
to Main Street for lunch.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
That's hilarious because I got it done. You're saying, got
it done right there? Got it?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
You were so proud of yourself, and I was so
proud of you. Okay, let's talk about the Well, first
of all, how many true friendships have you really established
on the housewives so you don't have to say who
they are? You can true friendships like lifelong, real friends
that aren't like cluttered in some way or tainted in
some way based on things that have happened.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
I mean, I think anything, I think they're all fragile, okay,
And I I think I've been able to sustain three
or four five maybe, but at any point anything can break.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
It's not like your friends you've had for your whole
life's down.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
But I think any friendship is fragile, even the ones
you've had your whole life.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Interesting well especially I feel like post pandemic, it's and
things have changed. We're all in our own minds, and
I just think that I think exactly.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
It's funny how it just happened to a friend of mine,
you know, someone who's just had a really deep relationship
with and it just took one bad day that they
had and he went on the internet and said all
these horrible things about her and like went public with it.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
It wasn't a public person and just.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Really like there's no going back, Okay, So I think
friendships are listen, marriages are fragile.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Marriages are fragile, most things, most.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Even parents and children that don't talk. I mean that
wasn't about you. I'm thinking of someone else. Actually, yeah,
I think relationships are fragile. I think the one with
your child is the least fragile. I think that's the
strongest bond. But it's also fragile.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Yes, I think it's fragile too. It's scary. Let's talk
about the Legacy negotiation, because I I have what I
think happened. I was, I know, and I love listening
to your show and listening to what you say, so
I want to hear how close I am. What I
think happened is you were an original house Wife. You
were on for several seasons. Some people were going to
be on Legacy that came later and haven't been on

(54:27):
since the very beginning, and everyone's at different paygrids. When
Jill and I started, it was called favored Nations and
everybody got paid the same right, and we fucked that up.
I fucked that up for everybody because we were We
went on our own. You're like, I'm going with you.
Remember the three blode they were going together. Oh yeah,
they were going together and I was like, you're like,
I'm over here here.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I was with you all the way right.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
So that so now there's it's a it's a Chinese
a la carte. Men, you know what the salaries are.
It's all over the place. Everybody gets different. So you
were walking into what I perceive as a new show
with a collection of people that are casting a great show.
You wanted to be paid what everybody else wanted to
be paid, and they so you didn't want to come

(55:07):
in where you were because that was a long time
ago before people started getting real money, and they wanted
they wanted to be thinking that they weren't on a
show that just got canceled and that they were still
riding with the next season of the show and be
where they were. And I think that everybody fucked it
up because they should have met in the middle. So
they should have come to the middle and you, you
would have gotten probably more than you were even asking for.

(55:28):
I think that they should have come down and you
should have all met in the middle. And I think
that's why it got fucked up, because you were blamed
for it. But I don't think it was really you.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
And you know what's so funny, it was my career.
I was, well, not really, but like it's always it's
very hypocritical, you know, the networks they are because you
know they say that you know, you can't talk to
the press, but then they do. You know, like who knew?
Who blamed me for the negotiations breaking down? I think
that come from didn't come from me?

Speaker 1 (55:56):
What really happened that?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Who cares? Who know? But it does because then if
I was like, if I talk to you about it
right now, no no, But then if I told you
about it now, it's like, oh, she's talking about it, Well,
where did it start? They started talking about it? Not me?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
No, but it could have been one of the girls
that said you messed it up. I think it was
one of the girls. Who care?

Speaker 2 (56:11):
That's me?

Speaker 3 (56:12):
It wasn't But it doesn't matter. Well, first of all,
you know what was in my head. I'll tell you
something when I saw you and we talked about me
coming back on the show.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
And remember what you said? What did I say? What
are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Don't do it?

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Of course?

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Would you say, do you remember what you said to me?
I remember what you said to me.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
I don't know. You don't need it. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Tell me, don't do it. You don't need it. What
do you need it for. It's not good for you.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
It's not but you. It's like it's like that crack
that's bad for you, but you like want to look.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
But you know that's funny because there was one a
housewife from another show called me thirsty, and that stuck
with me in the sense of like, first of all,
being thirsty in this certain way is not a bad thing,
but the way, by the way, the way it was said,
it was meant to be flattering. No, And it's like,
I'm the least thirsty.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I know.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
I've got to have had this reputation, like I want
to get back on the show. I want to get
back on the show. Does anybody know me? Like if
you ask my family, they'll tell you. It's like when
I I I know, I don't do things for money.
I do things first because I want to do it.
Then it's money, right, But when I did the Housewives,
I always said, and maybe it was a mistake that
I didn't do it for the money, because clearly I didn't. Right,
it was day one and we made no money. I

(57:11):
did it because I wanted to do it.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
And you liked a little the fun. I did it
because I wanted to do it.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
I wanted to get famous. I wanted to promote my brand.
I wanted to have a memory on footage of Bobby
and look like he's gone now, but I still have
him forever.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
I mean, there were a lot of it when in
your marriage, you've been married to you and.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
I had the best time for the first two years exactly.
I mean we were loosey ethol. We had the best time, right.
But now it's a different day, you know, And if
I'm going to go back on TV or do anything,
it's not because I'm going to have fun, because clearly
I have some issues with some of the housewives going
into it. So it's got to be because I'm going
to make money. You talk about precedence. So I had

(57:47):
just on Ultimate Girl's Trip, and they paid me a
certain amount per episode.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
I was being offered less than half for per episode.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
But that's different because it's a week to get a bang,
and that's a little different.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
I'll just say, well, just to the money was if
you everything's always episodic, you know, with these networks, it is.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
But they're they're cramming one week.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
No, no, this is not about the legacy week. This
is what we're talking about back in January.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Say we're going to do it.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
You can't compare the per episode to what you're getting
because they're getting a bigger bang for that one week.
That's that's like explosive. It's a one week. It's not
that I'm saying, we're not talking about that show. There's
two legacies too. No, No, I know, I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Oh you mean, okay, you can't go by that as
the precedent per episode necessarily. So then if we go
back to even season four of what I made right,
which I can still less than what I got back
then twenty years ago. This is what I'm saying. Okay,
this is what I'll said. So you if they wanted
me on the show, the offer would have been right,

(58:43):
and I believe that they never I believe that they.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Didn't want absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Oh so you didn't regret not doing it?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Yeah? No, okay, good.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Why would I regret it?

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Because I thought maybe you overplayed your hand.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
No, I know you said that now, because I could
have had any time called them up and said I'll
take it.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I mean, like, you know, until.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
That, I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Oh no, no, no, no no, So let's and I was.
All I wanted was them to ask me back, and
they did.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Oh interesting, and you have that. Did you feel that
it was punitive that you didn't go on this recent.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yes, it's one hundred percent punitive. And the funny thing
is is all I said was? And all I said
was And first of all, I kept my mouth shut
because I just kept my mouth shut. You know, everybody
was talking about it. I was being blamed for it,
and I didn't say a one fucking word.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Good for you.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, until.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
It was already over and they canceled the show and
they weren't doing it, and I was told to just
stand by and wait and they were going to work
on the offer, and they never did. And all I
said publicly was I think it should be. Like I
had told Luanne privately when we had dinner, I said,
why don't they just do this as Ultimate Girl's Trip.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
It's ridiculous, it should be.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
We all have different lives, we're all in different places,
we all live in different cities.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
It's not realistic for us to be that was your idea.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yeah, it was my idea, and then she took it
to Andy because Andy told me Luanne told her him
that idea.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
It doesn't matter who took credit. That's irrelevant. The point
is no.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
But that hurtsal. You weren't invited o idea.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Absolutely, I wouldn't do it. That happened on The Handmaid's Tale,
by the way, Serena had the idea for the fertility
thing and they didn't include her, and I don't like it. Wait. Wait,
I watched The Handmaids at the end when Serena wanted
to do the fertility clinic in Gilead and they went
over and they stole her idea and they did it
without her.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Watch it, okay, we watch.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
So I was so when they came out and said
that they were going to do Ultimate Girl's Trip legacy.
I thought that was a great idea. But I have
had and you know, I know you're friends with one
of the girls. I'm not even going to mention her name,
and I've had issues with her and it just wasn't
worth it to me to It's okay for you to
have disagreements and arguments with people, and you know, be

(01:00:51):
able to clean it up. But I didn't feel that
I could clean it up and I had too much
to risk, I had too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Much to create. So you do you feel that the
arguments have changed significantly since when we were on the
level of arguments and the way that people argue is

(01:01:16):
different than when we were on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Well, I think that jealousy comes into it. I think
that some girls are in better places than others, and
I think that people will just say and do anything
to take someone else down because the jealousy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
And also you're on those trips where everybody's been fired,
so they have to claw their way back in that one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Yes, well, yes it could be. All I know is that.
And my family really thought I was going to do
legacy by the way. Everybody said You're going to do it,
and I said, no, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
You know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
I don't want to do it. It's not good for me.
I felt that on the place, smoking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Overall as an energy, and this is I'm like in
my mind thinking does she change, and like she kind
of wants to do it because she misses the light
a little and she wants the little hit. Yeah she's right,
but she wants to hit. She's like enticed by it's
you know, it's respectful. It's like an X that she
like is like curious about, but like she doesn't really
know if she wants to go back to that toxic relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
It's not good for me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
It's like, you want to go back to smoking, but
you know you're gonna die exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I know I'm gonna die. I feel like it's like
it's not about the money.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
No, But know what I'm saying is like, if you
made me an offer that I can't refuse, Sure, I
could be bought. I mean I could to a certain extent,
so right now, but if I lose my whole brand,
I lose it all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
No, but do you still have a little bit of
the curiosity and you like and you watch it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
I'm totally over it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Like you don't. I'll tell you why. I'm gonna tell
you why. I just filmed a show called Goat on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Do you know that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
No, it doesn't mean anything. No, No, it's called Goat.
It's called Greatest of All by the way, it's funny.
It's the acronym's greatest of All Time reality star, which
doesn't exist. So it's like a comedy and Daniel Tosh
is the host who's this hysterical comedian, and there's fourteen
reality stars. It's kind of like Big Brother. We all
sleep in one house, so you're getting your those curious projects.

(01:02:54):
The best time of my life. I met all the
I was the oldest by far. They were like all
my kids. I'm trying to help everybody, you know me.
I'm like, oh, I'm cooking every meal. I had the
best time and the most. The biggest thing is I
wanted to play the games. I don't know if you've
ever watched Big Brother, but they have all these games,
and I love games, and I love word games, and
I play wordle every day.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
I love that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
And I'm like aging out of it, Like at some
point I can I play tennis.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
They played pickaball. This was like an opportunity for lifetime
for me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
So and I had the best time. All the little
things together that there is fun as doing it. You
don't care if it's out. You just want to be
in the action a little.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Yeah. I The Housewives for me has come and passed.
I loved I loved it when I did it. I'm
happy for the new cast and in the biggest and
best way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I mean, I had it all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
I mean I had it, and I'm like aged out,
you know, And now there's a new crop. It's a
good thing, not a bad thing. It just keeps the
show going on longer. I don't know why they're trying
to pit the old against the new. I think it's
not good, but we're going to get into that. I know,
I know, I know, But anyway, I'm happy. I did
feel fomo about the one week legacy, the legacy on it,

(01:03:56):
because I felt that I gave the idea, at least
I told everybody in the audience. I told people, well,
it should be Favored Nations and it should be just
a week and we should just have a good time,
and it is what it is. And then they did
it and didn't invite me, and I definitely know it
was for spite because because I said no, they were
mad at me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
And it's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
I do believe that if they wanted me to do
the show, the offer would have been there, and maybe
I would have done it because I would have felt
like they really wanted me. But when they gave me
that terrible offer and I found it insulted, and they
offered Kelly. First of all, they said that it was
based on how many years you were on the show.
And then I found out Kelly was offered more than me.
Now she was on a year less than me, So
how is that possible.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
That's how you get into cattiness. That's what happens then.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
And then also that's the other thing. If everybody's making
different money, you have a different level of importance, feeling,
and like, I shouldn't feel less than anybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
I helped start the show.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
You didn't feel valued, You felt right, and I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Need to do it for them. You know what I
did say to someone to in the press, I said,
how about this, if you pay every if everyone takes
a dollar, I'll take a dollar.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
To do it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
You just wanted to feel respected.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
I just wanted to be unequal playing field because I
am equal. And by the way, just because I haven't
done Housewives for as many seasons doesn't mean I haven't
done other television shows of the projects and made more
money than all of them put together.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
So but it's irrelevantly, it's irrelevant. That's really funny. It's
not your training for the Olympics. You ran one mile
than twenty. It's like you're the housewives.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
I mean, it doesn't matter whether I did for now seasons,
I've done other things, same thing for you. By the
way you left and did this and did that when
you came back, did they count that you weren't a housewives?
The fact that you had a talk show and everything
else doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
So that's now it is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
But I have hold absolutely no resentment at all. I'm
in a good place until today. Probably with the no
I'm kidding, I don't know they're going to be leave
a mark.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
But no, it's not okay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Because I've said that. I said it when I just
did got when I got into it with Derinda. She
came after me when we were filming Ultimate Girl's Trip,
how I you know, brought cameras to the funeral and
blah blah blah blah. Came after me, and I literally
got off from the table and said, I'm not coming
back until someone tells me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
I'm going to be honest. I don't think anyone believed you,
and I think they'll believe you after today. So it's
probably good for you if you cared about anyone believing you.
Don't I do care because you know why everybody said
that I used Bobby.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
You know that I used his death to promote myself,
which is couldn't be complete opposite, Bethany.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
You're allowed to want to memorialize it in the way
they want it. Fine, Okay. I also think that people
who didn't believe it, and I think they'll believe it.
I really believe do you believe it? Don't matter if
you believe it. I don't care about everyone else. I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
I'm looking at you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
I believe the story. I really believe the story. I
really do. I want to get into Gary a little bit,
but we're gonna. I want to know how we are
in time. How how much time do you think we
really have? So so we should go to an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
It's nine o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Go to an hour. Okay, so we need fifteen more minutes.
This is the fifty used the bat. Gary has to
use the bathroom. I know this is live and Ana.
We will not listen. The bathroom's here, but you want
to go, it's right here. You'll be pining the bush out.
Go in the bushes, Gary, go on the bushes to them. Wait,
you're not paying in the bushes. We're on live and

(01:07:01):
we're live and okay go on. Yes, by the way,
do you know I can I tell people this what
talk about Garret for two minutes because I know you
want to get it out? No?

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
No, I told Gary what you did, and now I
do What did I do? Do you remember a story
You told me that when you would go to the casino,
you wanted to go so bad that you would literally
like peeing a cup in the car.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
No, that was in the car. Oh yeah, hold out,
I do that with Gary. All right, talk Gary, audience. Listen.
We have to stop sooner. I have to hold on.
I just wanna make sure to miss anything. I know
that your business. We'll talk about your business in house
West University. We're gonna promote your business completely. It's all
you know about that respect you you present wanted I
do this. The poster or the strike, we did that.

(01:07:40):
What is take of the new show? We're doing that later.
We're doing that later. We're doing that later. Rose and Thorne?
Who cares Rushmore blah blah blah. What did your parents
say for what which about doing today? Yes, listen, Gloria
is as and as my sister would saying. My sister
is the grud told her in the family for me,

(01:08:01):
and I am for her. But Lisa is kept texting
me today how to go, how to go? And I
said it didn't happen yet.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
I think they not. I don't want to say nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
But what's the word cautiously optimistic?

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Cautiously optimistic is a great.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Word, Okay, cautiously optimistic?

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Do can we tell people like that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
You can actually, at some point in life resolva relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
I think that I want to get to me, that
we're going to get into where do we go from?
We're gonna I just wanted to make sure there wasn't
something that I really wanted to ask, you know, because
I gave it a lot. I wanted to ask about Gary.
I wanted to ask about you were talking earlier about
the other non Ezembic who cares, No one cares. Let's
just talk about us so we can do that later.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
So one of my if I had a trepidation and
after the plane, but this is all the reason. There's
a lot going through my mind while we're talking, as
I'm sure there is for you. It was a trepidation
that like now, because we did that, we have to
be best friends and I to go to the gift
bag party and I have to be like where and
I and I but I but I, but I feel

(01:09:05):
differently than I'm not saying I want to go to
the gift bag party. I don't want to go to
the gift bag party.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
But I don't take a person. Yeah, but I don't
take that person.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
But yeah, it's like because last time we were on
the plane and then you're like, if you want to
do this, and here's my party July twenty first, and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
I think, oh, yeah, I think it was too much.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
It's just I watch so so how I feel that
was the trepidation. But through today, I just do feel
a different energy. I first of all, really just thank
you for like for trusting me. And I wanted before
saying that. I'm assuming that you came and it could
have been partial trust, partial curiosity, partial that this is
going to be good for you. It's going to get
a lot of publicity for both of us. This is

(01:09:40):
equally I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Not being everything you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Yeah, yeah, so it's good for let's not be We're
not both everything you said is true.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Okay, So do you trust do you trust me?

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Always trusted you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
I said to Paul, I think she trust me, and
do you believe me?

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Trusted you then, trusted trust you now and do you
believe me one hundred believe you?

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
And you fully put yourselves in my hand, myself and
my hands to say, without one question you just.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
I didn't question you. I didn't ask to talk to you.
I didn't say she has to call and invite me herself.
I did nothing that maybe I would have said fifteen
years ago and in the and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Listen, I'm saying this for myself too. We can sometimes
be I madeenance and in the past people have said
you wanted this, you wanted that we have right. You
were the reputation that Jill has with the people that
booked this, were like, she, Why I have the reputation
that you have today with the people that booked this
is that you were an absolute pleasure. You were so
excited you didn't tell anybody you were happy, and like

(01:10:35):
I wanted to rise to the occasion too. I wanted
you to feel like a guest. I wanted you to
feel important.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
By the way, thank you for the beautiful flowers. Thank
you you were gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
So I wanted you to feel safe and good and
I want to resume a relationship like I want. I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I'm happy seeing Paul City next to Gary, like I
you know, I will say that there was a relative
of my father's the other day that wanted to like connect,
and they will bring up the temple and and like
I get overwhelmed. I am an caged animal that has
come from a very abusive life. So like I don't
I want We're gonna be texting each other, but I

(01:11:11):
don't want to like be in the housewives world. I
don't want to know, Like I want to like go
easy easy, go, like baby steps. But this is I
say to Chris that you have walls. Yeah, I have
a lot of walls and a lot of like I
have a hard exterior. But this is totally genuine as
evolve and I want it like I want.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
I'm not going to push it, and I think I
did push in the past. I'm not going to push you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Right, but I'm not fragile. And it's not like it's
not we're on equal playing field. It's not like you're
pushing me. I'm not gonna push it. Like this is
like a very nice. I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
I smother. I definitely smothered.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
You do you want to want to make it right
and fix it in two days with a bow and
wrap it up run away?

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Because I have anxiety. You see that all comes from
being anxious. Right, So now that I recognize it, I
can I never put a word on it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
And you know what, high five because I'm so excited.
We did We didn't go to a suit, we didn't
go to a conference room. We didn't wait for someone
to beg us with scraps to do this. We did
it for nothing, you know, and for nothing and we're
here talking on our terms. Yes, And like I said,
I if I called me and said we'll give you
a hundred thousand dollars for this, it would I wouldn't
be the same, like I called them. And we the

(01:12:20):
YouTube series. We haven't made a diamond. We will eventually
we make. It's doing very well. No, I mean it's
doing very well. But I'm saying I'm being transparent, like
it would cost a million dollars to get me to
do what I've done from Friday to today.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
And you can see.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
It like it's been by the way, like when I
got here I mean there was like a gifting suite.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
I'm not a get what's the wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
A green room, a green room with food and every
It made me feel like so welcome. I didn't at first.
I was like when he says that, well, you're gonna
go in this house, I'm like, oh am, I not
good enough to go in the main house. I thought
I was coming in your kitchen to do a podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I know that's amazing. Well, how so what do you think.
Did you feel ambush? Do you feel good?

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Oh no, I feel so good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
I feel like you really really put a lot of
detail in it, attention into this and love into this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Well, there was absolutely more than I expected. Well, no,
there was a lot of conversation because a we were
I was like, and Paul was very respectful. He's like,
does she know she's coming to film? I'm like no.
And Chris Chris who's here, was like, she'll She'll be
totally down for it. And if you were filming, I
didn't know because we said video and audio. We said
video YouTube, right, but no, it feels like you're on
a television show here. Well, because it's good quality YouTube exactly,

(01:13:23):
So I'm saying exactly but I wanted to do that professionally.
I don't do anything halfway news, Paul, We're doing it,
We're doing it. So it kept leg So then I
was like, Okay, my assistant's going to meet you at
the car, and you're gonna take her. Because I've been
on talk shows, I've been on talk show where the
person doesn't even come say hello. I wouldn't have come
to say hello to you if I didn't know it
was the right thing to do, because I wanted to
do this all fresh. I know that I wanted you.

(01:13:43):
That's question the process, right. I wanted you to come in.
I wanted you to be greeted. I wanted the food.
We've obsessed with the food for two days. I've been
talking about the food and the fucking sandwiches and the
lobster rolls. I've been obsessing for two days. I renovated
my bar to be a living space. Gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Don't change it bad.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
It has been a lunatic running around this house like
a crazy person for three days. So and you're still engaged.
Oh no, you you don't know which. We went to ocean, Tim.
We had to take dives in the ocean right before
the monsoonn you found He's amazing. That's like, what makes
me happy is that you found you. That's say thank
you to Paul. Without Paul, this would never have happened. Now,
Pas would never have happened, by.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
The way, everybody, he's even better in person. He's good
looking on you on Instagram, but he's better in person.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
He is self deprecating because he thinks he is a
big nose weirdo.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
That's what he says.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
And he's hot and handsome, and he's his mother. I
know his mother's amazing. Love you love his family, You
love his father, Yes, his father's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Family.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Have your family now, Yeah, they're amazing. You would love
his mother because she's so elegant and nice. But his
father is like a male broad like his father's like
his father is abroad. So we're gonna get into all
the housewise and talk about your business, and we'll get
Gary because we got to talk about Gary. I love Gary.
I liked Gary on the plane because Paul doesn't like
a lot of people like he. He likes people be like.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
He likes who he likes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
And I said, you like people who are authentic to
who they are, and like this guy is funny, self deprecating,
but I could tell he's authentic, like he's you know,
imperfect and not everything's gonna be perfect, but like Paul
likes authentic, so I was like, you're gonna like him.
I just have this feeling it behind it. So anyway,
so I want to I'm glad you found your person.

(01:15:23):
We are both different places. Ali is thirty Gary and
you were married.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
I think that makes it different for a lot of people.
You know, Ramona's got someone now and she said.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
I didn't know that. We can't wait to we'll talk
about that later.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Oh that's just a different person.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
That's amazing. I'm happy for her.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
And that was the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
And when I heard about hell yeah, I was happy
for her too. My first instinct was being happy for
he and I've met the guy in my past, and
I was, yeah, yeah, I seem like I'm so happy
fun I'm happy for her.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
But that changes the women.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
When the women are happy in their own life, they
don't have to be so bitter and angry about everything.
That's fair, it's totally but but they don't need You
don't need a person.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
You don't need a person. You just need to be
settled and happy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
You don't need a person. But if you want a
person and don't have that, that's what makes you bitter
and angry.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
That's fair. But Boss, he's here, Cookie and Ginger have
passed away. Gary's here, Bobby has passed, Bobby and Dennis
have have.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Have left us.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Dennis might still be here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Dennis might still be here through Gary because they look
a lot by Bobby.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Bobby Garry used to work in the same building that
Tennis lives.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
I know they left a lot of extreme tan is
in the Blue Wood and Paul is here. It's a
lot of changes. It's many years later, so I'm really happy.
I want to took you and hi guys much

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