March 27, 2023 • 51 mins
RHOA - S2, E3 "UNBEWEAVABLE”
Comedian/Actress Tig Notaro joins Bethenny. Find out what they consider a career destroyer and who’s at fault for committing it.
And, Tig has an epic plan for a Real Housewives spinoff!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
We are visiting the atl today and it sure does
not disappoint. Nini goes to dinner with Charay and Kim,
and of course it doesn't end well. Let's just say
Schariy goes after Kim's wig. Stand up comedian tig Nataro
joins the podcast for her first episode ever of The
Real Housewives. This is The Real Housewives of Atlanta, Season two,
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Episode three, Unbelievable, which I've changed to unbewiggable. How are you?
I'm doing all right, How are you? I'm good. Um,
nice to meet you. Thank you for doing this and
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thanks for having me. Of course, have you ever watched
The Housewives? The first time was when I was sent
the link of any show. Yeah, okay, just in general
across the board. I don't even watch much TV or film,
so this was like an unusual thing where I sat
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down and like, watch something. Well. I love that when
there are certain people that you're just picturing them in
their house, like when and by the way, I just
watched an episode of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City,
which was an experiment that you can't even imagine. I've
never seen it. It was like watching another planet, like
people from another planet was It was really crazy, so
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I felt. But I had Jerry Springer on here, which
and when him telling me about his wife walking through
the room and saying, what do you what do you?
What are you watching? Like? What are you doing? Like?
Have you taken up any new hobbies? It was so
I find it funny when people who haven't like what
they must be thinking, what was your preconceived notion about
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the housewives overall? Like what is your what do you
think about it? When you just hear like housewives from
your periphery or from news or pop culture, et cetera. Um,
I guess I think that people are fighting. I guess
that's my um, that's my thought. Um. And and then
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I told my wife that I was doing this and
and she was like, oh, well, you know who Bethany
is is she started the um the skinny girl margharita
skinny margharita, which is my drink of choice wherever I
got and I didn't even know where I started drinking
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that from. Oh my god, you I I invented. So
I did invent something and you drink it. How funny
is that I drink it and I didn't know where
it came from, and she was like, listen here, Bozo,
that's where. That's where it came from. She didn't really
say that, but so that's why you did this. You
owe me. I do I owe you because I love
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Margharita's but I was always like, go, it's too sour
and it's too sweet. I wish it wasn't you know
too much of these these two things. And I love
that because there are times in the past when people
have stopped me, wait, that's the skinny girl, like some
people don't. I just think it's interesting about marketing and
branding that there are many people who don't know who
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I am, but they know who the drink is or no.
And that's cool from like a business perspective, but that
that made my day. It's funny. I'll be places in
other countries and they're like, oh, even you want to
skinny Margharita And I literally am like I invented that
because I just want that one guy to know yeah,
and he's like yeah haha, and I'm like no, no, no no,
I invented that, of course. And then my sister in
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law she follows the housewife shows and she was there
when my wife told her sister that I was doing
this her her sister. It's like, well, this might be
the thing I'm most excited about from your career. This
is the crown jewel of your career. Well, you don't
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have to be embarrassed because the show does very well
because people thought initially I was on the show and
I'm doing a rewatch, which is kind of just like
boring in a way. But the things we end up
talking about and breaking down just this vehicle, you end
up talking about like stuff that you and your friends
might go through, or you and yours, you know, So anyway,
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it becomes this vehicle for this other conversation with any luck.
So this is Atlanta and New York. Orange County was first.
I was on New York, which was next, I think
it was it was Jersey was next. I think or
Jersey and Atlanta were very close to each other. So
this is old school Atlanta. And this is like before
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everybody was had a hair and makeup crew and everybody
was wearing head to toe designer Gucci v Valentino, and
everything was logos and labels, and it was like a
little messier back then like now, it's very like knots
Landing or Dallas where people come in with you know,
giant ball gowns to go to a barbecue. And so
back then it was a little more. It was just
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a little more gritty, and I liked it back then
because I like messy, just like people being who they
authentically are, for better or worse. So this is the
era that you're in right now, and you walked into
this show and it's a good error. This is the
this is the heyday of this show. Well, and I'm
curious when I was watching this, you know, if if
there's somebody like me that's doing the show and I've
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never seen the show, how I can just pop in
on season three, episode two and just because that's what
I was given I think was season three, episode two
and all right, okay, And when I thought of doing this,
I thought to myself, that's random too, Like today, I
just watched an episode I've never seen talking about people
some people may never see. First of all, it gets
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people to watch some it also it's such a rabid
fan base. It's like going back and watching like this
is us their mash or something. Such a rabid and
base that they know and if they don't know, they
know through pop culture and headlines, and because of the conversation,
like I just had a conversation with Jenny McCarthy about
the Salt Lake City thing. I think it's entertaining despite
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knowing everything, because of the way we're gonna go, Like
people know who Ninie is and Kim is in the zeitgeist,
so it kind of pieced it together. It seems to work.
So Ninie is to me, this is vintage Ninie. This
is old school Ninie, Like she was very funny. She's
done stand up comedy, by the way, and she was
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very funny because she was authentically her. She got very
sort of fancy years after, but this is when she
was really like MESSI Ninie, and she and Kim were
very good friends. Okay, okay, so they were very good friends.
And now we're walking into a scene where I guess
they were there the week before, sitting down to have
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this conversation, and it's Charrey, Ninie and Kim sitting at
this restaurant. So chay uh. Years episodes before this gets
or at some point I think it's the season, gets
into a fight with a party party planner and she
literally like stands up, and you think she's gonna throw
down with him, Like she's like says him, like who
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gonna check me boo? And she's gonna like kick this
guy's ass. It's like a famous scene. What what was
your What did you think was gonna happen when this
woman walked outside to be like no, I'm gonna go
get her? Well? Yeah, I mean I was having to
piece a lot of things together. I didn't you know,
I don't. I didn't know the backster, I don't know
the friendships. I don't. I started to realize as the
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episode went on that these two were close friends that
had an argument. This is what you're talking And I
did watch this like a week. Yeah, because I choose
iconic scenes, not that you need to be an expert.
It's like an iconic scene in this genre that that
Charay would like walk outside and eventually pull on someone's wig.
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But Chay runs outside and then decides to grab Kim's hair,
Like what do you think about that? And what do
you think about that in twenty twenty three? Well, I mean,
regardless of the year, it just it feels. I mean,
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I don't know if I'm unusual in that I'm projecting
my myself into these situations and thinking I can't even
I honestly can't even imagine getting in people's faces like
that and certainly not pulling hair. And I guess I'm
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curious sitting here with you and did you do that
on the show, Like, were you fighting? No? I was
pulling hair? No. Never. I mean I think it would
be it could be a career destroyer, but I just don't.
That's not even my nature anyway. I mean you definitely
there's there are people who have thrown glasses at each
other in this series and and thrown wine. Yeah, it
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was baffling to me. Um. And then I when I
was watching, I was like, oh, right, this is I
guess why I think that the show has fighting. It
has a lot of fighting, right, Yeah, they do. They
do have a lot of drama. But I would say, like,
you wouldn't see this on Beverly Hills, Orange County would
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definitely get into a fight like this. It wouldn't happen
on Beverly Hills. There's like a certain level of control
and measure that happens. It's like different franchises have different
um different like personas. So this so the persona of
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Orange county is more like is more where they might
get into like a hair pulling fight. They need to
have like a full on lesbian version of this. Yes,
I just like across the board, just like all lesbian Um,
all lesbian housewives. That's amazing, that's amazing because they've done
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they haven't talked about all They've talked about having lesbian's on,
but they haven't talked about all lesbian housewives. All Right,
that's a good idea. That's a great that's a great line,
and it's all right, well we're gonna we're gonna produce
it together. Me okay, Bethany, don't come off with this,
and I won't run off of it. I'm writing it down.
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So now, um, now you see, Kim kim Uh is
someone who's always in controversy. She recently there was a
controversy that she was losing her house. She had an
affair with a married man, but he was never able
to be on the show. She called him Big Papa.
Presumably at this time that's where the money comes from.
She's the one getting vila sculpt like sucking her ass
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and not working out, but for the purposes of like
authenticity as a viewer. You know, I like, I remember
being so shocking back then her just getting her legs
an ass sucked on television back then, which would totally
happen now everywhere. But there was something like in the
honesty of it all, yeah, that I found very entertaining,
like of her, not her being like, I'm not gonna
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work out, I'm just gonna get my ass sucked in.
I don't know how much it cost. I give them
the credit card, you know, because I don't even know
that that's entirely true. This audience wants these people to
be very rich, even if it's not entirely true. Yeah,
how rich? How rich are we talking? You know, because
when when in that moment of the episode, when she's like,
I don't know how much it is, I just give
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them my credit card, I thought, Okay, that's clearly an
example of if you if you have to ask the
price of something, you can't afford it. And this is
somebody who is is letting us know. Obviously she's got
a lot of cash, and of course you've got to
have some cash to be on the show, right, Well,
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you have no book, like you have cash to be
on the show. But the biggest takedowns of all of
these shows is women saying, like the usually the one
who dresses the best and shows off the most. That
woman's house is in foreclosure, or that woman they filed bankruptcy,
or somebody comes out on the show saying that they
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owe them money, or the person's husband gets arrested because
they've been defrauding people, or the woman herself goes to
jail because she's been defrauding people. Or someone pays hundreds
of thousands of dollars in cash and furniture and two
years or four years or five years later, she and
her husband both go to jail for tax evasion. So
how much does somebody like this woman have that's having
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her ass sucked anywhere from nothing to maybe a couple
of million bucks, but not a lot. And at that
point we think it was the guy she was at
that point, based on what they got paid at that point,
and based on based on the fact that her house
was just up for foreclosure and that it got canceled.
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Whatever her the guy that's married is letting her charge
in his credit card. This you're saying, it was an
unusual time that somebody is being that open and honest
about like, yeah, I'm just gonna go to the doctor
rather than go to the gym. Well, we all were
so much younger then, right, so when we all were
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cast back then, we were in our thirties, and so
not everybody was talking about botox and whatever that mass
sucking thing was. I don't know that everybody was doing
that on television. It just was very different, like now
people are doing everything people were doing things then, But
it just I remember that scene and there was just
something about the entitlement of I'm not gonna work out,
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I'm just gonna get my ass sucked on television, probably
because this guy's giving it to me for free in
exchange for promoting it. Like it just there's something about
it that's that was raw about it. It It was just like,
like I said, it was the show is just a
little more messy back then, which I like, Yeah, she
has like she has like ten thousand bracelets on she's
sitting there. And now Candy was a newer housewife. Now
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Candy was in was in what helped write I think
the song Scrubs, Remember that song I Don't Want No Scrubs?
And she was like in a girl band called Escape
so she's actually a talented musician and singer, and she's
now on the show, which was different than just women
who were just obscure. This was like the first kind
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of individual with their own previous brush with fame. So
you're trying to find notable people in Atlanta. So that
was that was That was Candy when she's you know,
at the carnival. So we go to this party. There
are these hang on people, like not in a bad
way for him, like they're there are the friends of
the people that become their own characters. And so he
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apparently is given his own scene to have this big
birthday party because it's an event that everybody gets to
go to. So my favorite line of his was, this
is a this is a birthday already and a production.
I want high drama all night long. Yeah. So now
let's get back to twenty twenty three and grabbing candies breasts.
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I was a little it was a little surprised by that.
Um and uh, that is clearly not something that's going
to I mean, obviously things still happen now, but it
doesn't feel like something that would be that blatant and anyone.
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Oh and especially with a camera the camera's there might
be in the back of an office. Yeah, that's what
I's gonna say, is showcased in that way. But I'm
wondering what your perspective you walk in as you and
someone grabs your breasts, which is what it's This is
the this is the episode of like, keep your fucking
hands to yourself. Well, I mean me personally, I don't
even have breasts because of I had cancer. But if
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somebody grabbed me like that, I that might make you
feel even more self conscious. By the way, Well, no,
not me. I mean I did a comedy special for
HBO with my shirt off after I had a double mystectomy,
so I'm not that sensitive about it, got it. But
as far as somebody touching me, if I had breath still,
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that wouldn't fly. No, and I and I don't. I
don't think it's appropriate. Just across the board, I think
there has to be more civilized behavior and respect of
other people's boundaries. Do you think that Bravo should have
stepped in in that regard, Yeah, I think that that's
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completely in line violation in the workplace effectively, Yeah, And
there's so much more that needs to be done across
the board in this world. But you see not just
this show, but so many things there has been there
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have been breakthroughs of change, and definitely many of them
are scripted. That this is real people, So that's like
really showing you the world versus like writers in a room,
you know what I mean. You could tell Candy was
she was so uncomfortable. It was clearly. That's how it
seemed to me. It was clear that she's uncomfortable. Now
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think about this. She's a new housewife, she's a new
girl in school, so she wants this gig, I'm sure,
and she's been on it for years and been very successful.
She wants the gig, which is very you know, you
can make an analogy to like a job, right, she
wants this job and like in work and like in
me too. Sometimes the game is moving too quickly, like
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you don't even know you later think about something being inappropriate.
We hear a lot of stories someone has taken advantage of,
you know, but like the game is moving quickly in
the moment, we don't all react in the moment the
way that we do on you know, the Monday morning quarterback,
like what a person has taken advantage you or said
something inappropriate at work or tried something on you, And
like later people come with these stories because I'm sure
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they've digested it all. Yeah, I think it's easy for
people to say, why did you respond this way? Why
didn't you walk out the out of the room, why
didn't you hang up the phone? And honestly, most people
aren't thinking that they're walking into a scenario where somebody's
going to grab their boobs and you're caught off guard.
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And yeah, especially if the layer that's added to the
situation is that this is a job or a new job,
that's that really puts you in a situation where I
think it's easy to freeze or maybe not respond in
a way that you would have if you had been
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given some information beforehand. And we also didn't know what
was right and wrong, then we just like allowed for
different things. Meaning I as a viewer back then, I
remember the weave pull, and that's what the episode is
named unbelievable. It's not called unbetitable. And the truth is,
I don't even remember the boob thing. I remember the
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weave thing, meaning BROWO didn't even highlight it wasn't in
the description, and no one really had a big problem
with it because we kind of allowed for shit that
we didn't allow for that we allowed for shit that
we don't allow for. Now we sit down, How is
your feeling all these years later as somebody that was
on a show that had these elements. Well, that's a
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great question, because so I went on the show. It
was called Manhattan Moms, the show that I joined. It
was supposed to be about a bunch of moms and
getting their kids into private school, and they were looking
for the last mom. And I wasn't a mom, and
I wasn't even in a successful relationship, and I wasn't rich.
I lived in a studio apartment furnished by Ikia, and
I I said no to it. For the first month,
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I didn't even understand what it was because it wasn't
what it was. It wasn't anything. And it was really
great back then in the sense that it was more
about like conflict of the mind, and it was New
York and there was a lot of like more of
like mental arguing. There was never anything physical. Number one
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and number two definitely inappropriate things happened, but it was
always something from the very beginning that I was a
little embarrassed by to be honest, and I only did
it for three seasons until I left. And most people
who were just broke don't leave something when they start
to make money. And I left for multiple seasons and
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tried to really disassociate, which happened, and then I went
back for a lot of money and with a different
perspect even to connect to this audience who I the
audience is a great, smart audience, a very well educated,
very funny smart So I, for whatever reason, I took
a while to think about it, and I went back,
and I went back for a lot of money, the
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highest paid that time. But I always was still a
little embarrassed, like I wanted to kind of be there,
but like not be there, you know, and always tried
to stay elevated. And there was a moment where I
spoke to a very powerful agent that I know and
wanted to leave, and he said, there's gonna be a
point where peoplere gonna be like, what the hell is
she still doing there? Like why there's only such a
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point that you can be, you know, seem a little
different than everybody else, and why is she still being there?
So when I left and I told people why, it
had turned into something different. It evolved into something different
because the more crazy scenes like that happen, the more
the next group of people coming in, I feel the
need to do something crazier, throw a prosthetic leg across
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the floor. So the more and the more preconceived notions
they have about what people look like, where people have,
they want to have more and they want to put
on more makeup and be more. So it became something
very different than what it started out as. And I
honestly said why I left it. I didn't want to
be there anymore, and I didn't love what it represented,
and my daughter was embarrassed by it. And that's I
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try to be light on that, because it's a version
of shitting on where you came from and what made
you brought you up. So then when I did this show,
it was a whole thing all over the media. Why
would I do this, the show that I trashed, etc.
And I said, because I'm not trashing anybody, and I'm
allowed to reflect on my experience like we are right now,
give some perspective. And also it's not a trash show.
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And the game was moving fast. When we were on
a boat and there were no life vest for all
these housewives and the boat was like hit by a
giant wave. I was fucking loud, like what the fuck?
We almost died on the goddamn boat in Columbia, And
how did no one check the life vest? You know,
like it was hard the game. It was a little
bit like the medieval times back then, right, Yeah, that's interesting.
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Yeah I didn't. I wasn't aware that that. Yeah. I
guess that you had kind of removed yourself and that
maybe reflected on that time differently. Yeah, I removed myself
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and it was like the Eagle Health Pleases over tour.
And then I went back because I still was going.
I just you know, I was still was going back
to what I thought that it was earlier, and I
went back to a whole different show. That was when
everybody had hair and makeup teams, and when everything seemed
more contrived, and you know, people had there were too
many different cities, so people were watching other shows and
coming on and be like I'm gonna do this, and
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I'm gonna be that, and I'm gonna buy a Ferrari
and show it off and I'm gonna you know, it
became really competitive, so people had to you more are
you friendly with people from uh, Like I remember certain
people fondly and I'll text and keep a nice distance,
but like congratulations are a like post. But most of
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the people you're kind of put together with and it's
not really the place to like to nurture new friendships
and it's a great place to kill interpersonal relationships that
you came in with and family relationships. It's pretty toxic
and it's very entertaining, and then people make a lot
of money and they'll show a charity scene out of
fifty and then it makes everybody feel like it's all better,
but it's it's a thing. Yeah, it's entertaining, it's entertaining,
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but it is real people. A lot of dynamics though
about people like we're talking about that come through. And
that's why like this show, because you end up talking
about female dynamics or why does somebody feel the need
to brag? Or why would you go on TV when
you have something to hide? And skeletons and a thousand
different things. So there are interesting topics that come from Yeah, yeah,
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I guess if I had if I had more of
that information, now that you're saying that about skeletons, in
the closet and bragging even find out that you're saying
some people are completely broke. And I was assuming watching
this that the show is about multi millionaire, multi million,
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that everybody is just swimming in cash everybody now and
when I was on, like they would never cast me
now in a studio apartment, but everybody now needs to
seem like they're wealthy or aspirational. But there will be
nothing better producer will like more than finding out that
that's not true but they look like they are. There's
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nothing better than you know, and this is where it's crazy.
A person who is not drinking falling off the wagon
like it's That's why it's weird to be a producer
on these types of shows too, because you have to
ride the line between when do you like cross over
to the I factor? When is it like, stop the cameras.
This is fucking crazy, and usually they don't stop the
cameras no matter how crazy it is. I was. I
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was on a trip with one scene where they did
actually stop the cameras because someone look like they were
having a breakdown. You know, stuff like that happens. I
know you don't know me, but just right off the bat,
How do you think I would do as a cast
member on a house Well, if you acted like if
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you signed up for it and then said things like
I can't imagine ever getting into a fight like that,
you would survive the first season, but then the shiny
car smell would be off and like you have to
in other words, there was one person who do one
a couple of dates of someone really famous and this
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person I had like a title and they kind of
acted like they were always above it, but they were there. Yeah,
So like if you're there, you're a mud wrestler, some
version of a mud wrestler. Yeah, you know, so if
you said that wouldn't fly with the breast touching, So
I'd like to know how that wouldn't fly. Like you're
using your inside voice, whatever that is. That's what you're
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using in that experience. So you're you're joining you need
to use your outside voice for whatever that means. That's interesting, Yeah,
you know, Like I don't I don't say to somebody
a drop off and pick up, like why did you
choose that shirt today? But if they were on the
Housewives and so was I, I would say, what was
the what was the motivation? Which behind that wardrobe choice?
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Do you know what I'm saying? I do? And I
feel like if I was on that show, I would
get that question every day. What was the what were
you thinking? Why are you? Why are you wearing the
same outfit every day on this show? Yeah, that wouldn't
work well at all. It might it's actually a new character,
but that that wouldn't work work. That might not work well.
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That would be on the Lesbian Housewives. Or you could
be the token lesbians. Ask your partner, ye, go in
front a cocktail, get really rich about it? Now somebody
somebody approached her about um doing something with Yeah, you'd
be good as the partner that people like because you
come in and you roll her rise and you say
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a few things and you don't have to get really dirty,
and then they like you. You know that that becomes
a favorite. Less is more. You could be that she
could be the one who gets in the fucking mud.
She wouldn't Okay, well, well forgot that. Yeah, we'd we'd
be a terrible match for it. Okay, all right, well
we won't put that in the list for that. All right.
So Nini is talking to Lisa. She's the one she
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goes power walking with Now, Lisa was a housewife that
I believe was let go, and I'm actually watching her
and thinking she was let go and Sherey, the one
who got out to pull the hair, was let go
at some point in this process. And I'm actually thinking, say,
I never understood why she got let go because I
loved her because she is a tough broad and she's
entertaining to me in that. But Lisa's like a little
spitfire and she was also let go, and she's better
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than a lot of new housewives now. So I was
thinking about why they were let go as housewives, like
they were a little too fast and loose about letting
people go back then because people way worse will last
way longer now and I would have to ask Andy
about that and how long is way longer? Like how
what's a long run for these There's a woman who
just left the show, and it's a gray area whether
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she left or got fire, but we believe that it's
a that she doesn't matter what. We believe she left
the show and we don't believe it she wanted to.
So her name is Lisa Rinna and she was on
probably like twelve years there's one who's been on since
for fourteen years, since the beginning. That's like the Susan
Lucci of housewives. Like that's a wrong, Like you've made
(29:32):
a decision, Like you've made a life choice to be
on the house a career. Oh my gosh. Right, the
average life span of a housewife, I would say the
average life span of a housewives three years, two to
three years. And I've always maintained if you get fired
from the only job you have to do is be
an entertaining shit show. That's all you have to do
(29:53):
every day. Doesn't matter what you like, you just have
to be an entertaining shit show. And if you can't
do that, that's pretty pretty grim. That's pretty fucking Graham.
So so Lisa, I believe it was let go. And
she's like a little spitfire and and it's like ready
to throw down, which I thought was interesting. She and
Nani are talking about, say who's moving into her house.
Shari was married to a professional football player who had
(30:15):
a contract, and she said she wanted a seven figure settlement.
She wanted a seven figure settlement. She was really firm
about that. And Susie Orman was on my podcast saying
like why would that be her goal? A seven figure
like that's her whole goal? Like why wouldn't it be
that she's actually going to get the money. Like the
way that she said it, it was like Say said
(30:37):
it like it was a status symbol versus like Susie
Orman talking about that she's actually going to get something
that she'll that she wants, something that she can actually attain,
because just getting a settlement doesn't mean you're actually going
to get it, and like that, it just seemed like
a status symbol. It is interesting the way she talked
about financial planning in The Housewives, which is an oxymoring moron.
(30:58):
So now say is moving into this new place. She
has to get out of her other one because they
weren't paying, and now she's in a new place on
her own, and the girls come over and that's why
Ninie and Lisa are gossiping beforehand about Charay and about
the divorce. And they roll in. So Chari has a
friend with the short hair, And I thought this was
(31:18):
really interesting too, because you look at things differently. Now
Ninie walks up to the girl and says, you need
to eat a sandwich. This thin girl that's friends of Sharai.
Do you remember that? Ye? So the girl says, soon,
I'll just I eat. Believe me, I eat soon, I'll
be your size. So the pendulum swings. Ninie's offended. This
(31:41):
other girl becomes a villain. And the girl was a
little extra, but this girl becomes a villain. And I'm thinking,
why is it okay to say to somebody you need
to eat a sandwich, which indicates you're painfully thin, you're anorexic,
whatever that means, Like that means something not positive, and
why was that okay? And the moment that the show too,
the really the pendulum swings to the Nanie comment about
(32:05):
her being overweight, and it's like it's sort of like
the weave pull versus the tick grab. I think they're
equally as offensive. And I think Nanie came out of
the gate. I agree. I asked somebody that has had
health issues. I've I've had people make comments when I
(32:27):
was like, definitely ill similar eat a sandwich, and I'm like, well,
whether it whether? I mean, it was all at the
same time. I had a basic cancer, I had an
intestinal disease. I had a lot going on, and people
would write online that I needed to eat a sandwich.
You know, I feel like that's that that thing that
(32:48):
people love to say. I have to put that in
your act because it's so stupid. I've tweeted back and okay,
I just ate a sandwich. Now, what are we gonna do? Exactly?
Should we all get on the scale? Tokay, what do
we do next? I just ate a sandwich? Now, Now
what happens? I'm waiting for the movie to end, Like,
what's going to happen? All set had sandwich? Yeah, yeah,
it's it's equally as offensive. And you and you can't
you know, you can't track everyone down online and be like,
(33:10):
but I'm I'm ill. I'm definitely ill. And I and
you don't you don't know, you don't know what's going
on with people, and you don't know. Maybe they're eating
a lot of sandwiches and they're they're um like whatever
their thing is. Like it's just like but it wasn't
balanced in that. Okay, she said that, you made a
little quip. Okay, I'm a lot like the girl came
back and said, and she didn't say you're a pig,
(33:33):
you're you're fat. She said, I'll keep eating and then
soon I'll be your size. Like I think it was
like mano amano like eye for an eye tooth version.
I didn't think either was more offensive. No, no, you
were you were great interesting And then I do and
I but I, you know, it comes from a personal
place of having that said to me previously, where I'm
(33:58):
just like that, it's it's it can be and the
burden is on you because I have this autoimmune issue
and I was in Aspen recently and I was very
severely dehydrated and I cannot absorb. I couldn't absorb hydration whatsoever.
And I you would think I would like lose weight.
(34:19):
I gained like ten pounds in a week and it
went up to it got up to like eight pounds
in a week because something I think my body was
an emergency trying to hold onto any liquid or something
was going something was going on, and people were like,
what the fuck happened in your friend? Like you know,
and then the burden is on you to now explain
your most personal medical journey with people, because some patrol
and that. But that's something about the sign of the times.
(34:39):
It's another one of these things like it's okay to
pull the hair it's not okay, but it's it's okay
to grab the boob, not okay to pull the hair.
And it's okay to get upset if someone calls you overweight,
but it's not okay if someone calls you underweight. Like
these these constructs that happen in society that like back
then that was okay. Yeah, I still feel like it's
(35:00):
okay for people to make that comment if you're um,
if they think you're too thin. But still it's still
not something that's that's off limits. I agree. Oh and
(35:24):
then the girl says to I wonder why that girl
wasn't cast as a house by that. I wonder I
was always wondering like that girl because she then said
to the other to Lisa, you gotta do something with
that with your hair. M hmm, like she said, like
she said, like you have to do something with that,
Like she was like talking about something about if you
(35:45):
you can just get in a pool and wash the way.
So yeah, this show is you know, who's a better
who's better at at insults? In a way? Yeah, and
a lot of them are good, Like who can land
an insult? You know who can land it? And you know,
here's the thing. Let me ask you this because you
(36:05):
know that line from the Woody Allen movie if it bends.
If it bends, it's funny. If it breaks, it's not.
And so my I have an X that used to
always say, humor winds. Humor is its own excuse. So
you get to get away with a lot more on
these shows. If it's funny, if it lands, yeah, I
(36:27):
mean it's across the board, and it is true it
a lot of times with you know, there's a lot
of topics that come up in the comedy world where
people will say, oh, you can't talk about this, you
can't joke about this, and and I get asked that
(36:50):
in interviews. Is there a line that people shouldn't and
can't cross in comedy and joking around? In my feeling
is it has a lot to do with intention. I
think most things have a lot to do with intention.
And um, one of my albums that actually ended up
(37:14):
being the number one selling album comedy album in the
world in twoy Thirteenot, what that's a big that's a
big statement. Yeah, well and it's true it was the
number one. Well it's a lie, but it's cool. Yeah,
that's amazing. It's true, but it's it was you know,
(37:35):
an album where I talked about having cancer, and I
always use that as an example of people always say
there are some things that are not funny and one
of them is cancer, and then I say, well, my
album was the number one selling album that year and um,
And I think that it goes back to what my
(37:58):
point was is it's intention, and I wasn't on stage
saying ha ha cancer is funny and I'm laughing at
people that have cancer that are struggling or in pain.
It's it's how it goes back to. It's all in
the delivery. It's what your intention is. It's it's um
(38:21):
usually an angle that you're not thinking about that's going
to be the funny way of presenting a topic. And
people when they think cancer isn't funny, or death isn't funny,
or any anything anything that's triggering is not funny, Well,
(38:45):
the way you are thinking that somebody is going to
deliver that is going to be the least funny offensive way.
If there's a way into a topic that's interesting, surprising
the right once, yeah, with the right intention, then I
do think you can surprise people with how you make
(39:07):
a joke about a topic. Did you think that anybody
on the show or anything about it was funny? Um,
it's not. It's not my sensibility. It was the only
kind of laughing I think that I had was um stunned.
(39:35):
I was. I was. I was watching it, going what
is happening? I did? I you know, So it wasn't like, oh,
she really got her with that, and that's so funny,
and I know that's a lot of how people watch
the show and are amused and are laughing about it.
(39:56):
It's just not my sensibility, right, Did you think think
it was like a take like women taking women down?
Because by the way, it's gotten so much crazier now
it's another level what it is now it's steroids now,
I can't I can imagine. But no, great, no, because
now it's people that are incarcerated and people who are
being you know, their kids are being bullied online and
(40:17):
blaming other housewives for being responsible. Awesome, All right, Well
you were amazing. I loved meeting you and for you
to be so just open and honest and like do
this what was probably like, why am I doing this
ridiculous show? So I appreciate that too, No, I was.
I was very interested. I'm always um, there's so many
(40:38):
typical scenarios and podcasts and people that I can find
myself face to face with. And when this came through,
I was like, well, why on earth would they want
me on here? And then my wife was like, you
gotta do it. That that is going to be so
(40:58):
fun and and not that Stephanie she doesn't follow it,
but she's more familiar with Yeah, and her sister follows it.
So I was like, yeah, I gotta do it. Um,
so glad you did it. I'm very glad I did it.
And it's um, it gives me more understanding and perspective
(41:19):
about the show. Um. And so like the genre of
what people are doing. Yeah, because I have friends um
that I think have podcasts and talk about these shows
and stuff, and I'm like, right, I don't even understand
what he now and now you can talk now. You
now when you get a drink, you can think of me,
and now when you talk to them, you can think
(41:40):
of me, So you'll be thinking about me a lot. Yeah,
it is good for people to understand that. When someone's like,
why the hell would you do that? And it's like
is it is it money? Is it this reason? Thank
you for having my hope. I wasn't a letdown, if
and if anybody, if anybody's interested. I have a couple
of podcasts. What are they? I have an advice podcast
US called Don't Ask Tig, where I have a different
(42:02):
celebrity every week. You'll have to come join me, okay,
and we give advice to people. Okay. And then I
have another one called Tig and Cheryl True Story and
it's me and Cheryl Hines from Curb Your Enthusia. It
is Oh, she was just on here. She would just
on just being my other podcast, Cheryl Hines was just on.
I liked our a lot. Cool. Hello, well fabulous. Well
(42:25):
I want to come see you performed sometimes. I I'd
love stand up my whole life. Oh please do. I'm
often well, I'm always on tour. So um. I have
a website but in La I love literally since since
I was a kid and liked way too young to
be watching stand up but also used to go watch
Alan Havevey and John Stewart at the comedy Cellar downstairs
(42:49):
before like you know, and I happen to know a
lot of comedians like I just happened to I did
stand up for five minutes one night at New York,
New York Comedy Club, and I know one was allowed
to have phones, and it was literally the first night
that they opened. And little did I consider that people
would have to be six feet apart and wearing masks
(43:10):
in a comedy club. So that was the first time
I ever did it, which isn't like that's not that
much of a good starting the pandemic you started. I
did it one time for five minutes. I just said
to myself, I wanted to try something I had always
wanted to try, and I called and I got I
called everyone from Ellen to Chris Rock to Kathy Griffin,
like I just got a piece of advice from everyone
that was like my sort of approach, and Kevin Nealen
(43:31):
and learned a lot along the way. Had just wrote
a bunch of things down that I've liked and thought
was funny. And just like Chris Rock saying the beginning
and the end is important, the middle is just a flow,
and that it's a very intimate thing. Don't bring it entourage,
and then someone else saying bring it entourage, Kathy Griffin
thinking bring a lot of people for the energy, and
then Kathy or someone saying take the mic stand and
(43:55):
put it away from you immediately, and then bridget ever
being like you need the mic stand, it's a prop
like hearing all this stuff and then having to decide
for myself. But the one thing that I think it
was Kevin Neilon that gave the instruction and then Kim
Whitley that gave me the answer. But Kevin Neilan was like,
let me realize that people have different styles and not
(44:18):
meaning like Stephen Wright or something so overt, but meaning
like Kevin said, I tell a whole story, like it's
kind of like a storytelling where other people are like
individual back to back jokes. Yeah, and I realized that
my quote unquote style was ranting like things that aggravate me.
(44:38):
Kim Whitley was like, like the things that aggravate you.
That was like my style. And so I did five
minutes and even with the masks on and people being
a part, people laughed like I didn't feel naked up
there or anything like I landed the jokes. I could
have been slower, and yeah I didn't, and I actually
I love it, like I think it's great. I mean
(45:01):
it's the heart. It is really hard and the reason
I think it's so hard. And I said, I'm glad
I kept you on because I said to Paul, we
were watching Sebastian Maniscalco and like a bunch of other
people one weekend, and I said, it feels like The Housewives,
Like I said to Paul, when you do a major
scene on The Housewives, not like one of these scenes
(45:21):
where there are two cameras, but there are four camera guys. Right,
it's like a big scene like someone's christening or something,
like the train leaves the station and the cameras are on,
and like you're there and if you say something, you're
in your head knowing you said it, but like the
cameras are still on. You have to like keep going,
so you can't. And there are some great housewives that
will say something terrible that they should never have said.
(45:42):
They can get out of their head right away and
just like keep rolling and not worry about the fact
in six months from now they're getting canceled. When that's
on air, and you know, to not be in your head,
I said to Paul this, it's like that's what stand
up looks like. They're up there but it's started. The
people are right there and they can't even go the bathroom,
like even though the cameras might come with you, but
just take a minute. Like they're on the goddamn ride
(46:06):
and they definitely fucked something up and said something wrong,
and they they're living in it but still in the
future and in the present at the same time. And
that seems so hard for like an hour and a
half special because you've the train has left the station. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's it's uh, I mean, it's it's definitely when you
say it's it's hard, or you know, I feel like
(46:29):
when you're doing what you want or supposed you're supposed
to be doing, it's not that hard. But it's I
would say in the beginning stages, it's hard when you're
really learning the the world of comedy and perfect well
(46:52):
there you're going to say, like the mechanics of it too,
because there are mechanics which most people don't really realize. Absolutely.
I mean people don't realize that. And I've seen when
I first started, there was a girl that really in
her heart and soul, she came and watched the comedy
show that I did every week in my first year
(47:12):
of comedy, and she truly believed that every comedian was
just getting up on stage and just talking, had no plan,
They didn't think anything before they got on stage. They
just got on stage and talked. And she signed up
to go up on stage, and she did and just
(47:33):
crumbled and the crowd destroyed her and she was crying.
And I went out to eat with her at a
diner afterwards, and she was like, how do you do that?
Oh my god, Oh my god. I thought you were
just talking And I was like, no, no, there's so
much the guy. I mean, I was going up on stage,
(47:55):
you know, six or seven nights a week, and working
at it all the time. Time. Yeah, it's funny because
I think me going up and doing well was beginner's
luck in a way. And the reason I say that
it's so I've done to not to her point, but
I've done speaking engagements around the country and it always
(48:16):
ends up being like a stand up back, like people
are laughing at all this different stuff, but it still
has a structure, it still has some base that I
can always go back to, meaning I'm I'm promoting a
book and there's ten rules to it, or I've come
in because we're talking about charity. I've got like bullet
points to go to. I've got a tool kit, and
what I realized that night, and also it was a
week that I said I was doing. And of course
(48:37):
every person would be great at it. Everybody said my accountant, Oh,
I know I'd be great at that. Everybody I've always
wanted to do. Okay, so go do it. Like it
annoyed me because I felt like I was gonna get
up and do it no matter what. It wasn't particularly
nervous because the worst could happen is I guess that
you're not funny, which is pretty bad. But the reason
I felt safe when I did do it, even if
(48:59):
it wasn't so funny, which people really did laugh, they
weren't like crying rolling in the aisles, but like it
was a success. It was a if I grated myself
on a test, it was an eighty five. Yeah, so so.
But I felt safe because it was organized, like I
felt like I had a nest. Even if it wasn't
that funny, it was talking in an organized manner like.
So that was why I didn't feel like it could
(49:21):
be a total bomb, because I knew where I was
going and even if that wasn't the funniest joke, I
wouldn't feel lost. So the organization was what surprised me
the most about stand up comedy. Yeah, it's a it's
a it's a complicated beast and it um and it's
easy for some, and you know there are others that
(49:44):
have been doing it for decades and they still are
rattling in their boots backstage and wow, yeah it's yeah.
I would love it. I would have. That's like a
that's like a career path I would have. I wouldn't
like traveling like you do and going to all these cities.
I wouldn't enjoy that, and I won't sort of taint
how the process by like dabbling, because I realize how
(50:07):
hard you work and how hard people work. So it's
like something you have to fully commit to, which is
why I've only done it that one time, to break
the seal and see what it would feel like. But
when I got responses from people like Chris Rock and
Ellen and Kathy like it was nothing and Kevin Neal,
I had so much respect for the craft that like
people were so in detail about the advice, Like Chris
(50:30):
Rock gave me the longest piece of advice and I
don't know him well, I just was so moved by
him writing five, you know, a couple of paragraphs and
a text and give me like really solid takeaway advice.
So I thought the whole experience was like to I
honored the craft that you do. More that makes any sense. Yeah,
So anyway, that's my comedy story. Well cool, thank you, well,
(50:52):
thank you so much for coming, and I hope I
cross paths with you again soon. Yes, thanks for having
me
We are visiting the atl today and it sure does
not disappoint. Nini goes to dinner with Charay and Kim,
and of course it doesn't end well. Let's just say
Schariy goes after Kim's wig. Stand up comedian tig Nataro
joins the podcast for her first episode ever of The
Real Housewives. This is The Real Housewives of Atlanta, Season two,
(00:25):
Episode three, Unbelievable, which I've changed to unbewiggable. How are you?
I'm doing all right, How are you? I'm good. Um,
nice to meet you. Thank you for doing this and
(00:46):
thanks for having me. Of course, have you ever watched
The Housewives? The first time was when I was sent
the link of any show. Yeah, okay, just in general
across the board. I don't even watch much TV or film,
so this was like an unusual thing where I sat
(01:09):
down and like, watch something. Well. I love that when
there are certain people that you're just picturing them in
their house, like when and by the way, I just
watched an episode of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City,
which was an experiment that you can't even imagine. I've
never seen it. It was like watching another planet, like
people from another planet was It was really crazy, so
(01:30):
I felt. But I had Jerry Springer on here, which
and when him telling me about his wife walking through
the room and saying, what do you what do you?
What are you watching? Like? What are you doing? Like?
Have you taken up any new hobbies? It was so
I find it funny when people who haven't like what
they must be thinking, what was your preconceived notion about
(01:51):
the housewives overall? Like what is your what do you
think about it? When you just hear like housewives from
your periphery or from news or pop culture, et cetera. Um,
I guess I think that people are fighting. I guess
that's my um, that's my thought. Um. And and then
(02:16):
I told my wife that I was doing this and
and she was like, oh, well, you know who Bethany
is is she started the um the skinny girl margharita
skinny margharita, which is my drink of choice wherever I
got and I didn't even know where I started drinking
(02:37):
that from. Oh my god, you I I invented. So
I did invent something and you drink it. How funny
is that I drink it and I didn't know where
it came from, and she was like, listen here, Bozo,
that's where. That's where it came from. She didn't really
say that, but so that's why you did this. You
owe me. I do I owe you because I love
(02:58):
Margharita's but I was always like, go, it's too sour
and it's too sweet. I wish it wasn't you know
too much of these these two things. And I love
that because there are times in the past when people
have stopped me, wait, that's the skinny girl, like some
people don't. I just think it's interesting about marketing and
branding that there are many people who don't know who
(03:18):
I am, but they know who the drink is or no.
And that's cool from like a business perspective, but that
that made my day. It's funny. I'll be places in
other countries and they're like, oh, even you want to
skinny Margharita And I literally am like I invented that
because I just want that one guy to know yeah,
and he's like yeah haha, and I'm like no, no, no no,
I invented that, of course. And then my sister in
(03:41):
law she follows the housewife shows and she was there
when my wife told her sister that I was doing
this her her sister. It's like, well, this might be
the thing I'm most excited about from your career. This
is the crown jewel of your career. Well, you don't
(04:02):
have to be embarrassed because the show does very well
because people thought initially I was on the show and
I'm doing a rewatch, which is kind of just like
boring in a way. But the things we end up
talking about and breaking down just this vehicle, you end
up talking about like stuff that you and your friends
might go through, or you and yours, you know, So anyway,
(04:23):
it becomes this vehicle for this other conversation with any luck.
So this is Atlanta and New York. Orange County was first.
I was on New York, which was next, I think
it was it was Jersey was next. I think or
Jersey and Atlanta were very close to each other. So
this is old school Atlanta. And this is like before
(04:43):
everybody was had a hair and makeup crew and everybody
was wearing head to toe designer Gucci v Valentino, and
everything was logos and labels, and it was like a
little messier back then like now, it's very like knots
Landing or Dallas where people come in with you know,
giant ball gowns to go to a barbecue. And so
back then it was a little more. It was just
(05:06):
a little more gritty, and I liked it back then
because I like messy, just like people being who they
authentically are, for better or worse. So this is the
era that you're in right now, and you walked into
this show and it's a good error. This is the
this is the heyday of this show. Well, and I'm
curious when I was watching this, you know, if if
there's somebody like me that's doing the show and I've
(05:28):
never seen the show, how I can just pop in
on season three, episode two and just because that's what
I was given I think was season three, episode two
and all right, okay, And when I thought of doing this,
I thought to myself, that's random too, Like today, I
just watched an episode I've never seen talking about people
some people may never see. First of all, it gets
(05:51):
people to watch some it also it's such a rabid
fan base. It's like going back and watching like this
is us their mash or something. Such a rabid and
base that they know and if they don't know, they
know through pop culture and headlines, and because of the conversation,
like I just had a conversation with Jenny McCarthy about
the Salt Lake City thing. I think it's entertaining despite
(06:11):
knowing everything, because of the way we're gonna go, Like
people know who Ninie is and Kim is in the zeitgeist,
so it kind of pieced it together. It seems to work.
So Ninie is to me, this is vintage Ninie. This
is old school Ninie, Like she was very funny. She's
done stand up comedy, by the way, and she was
(06:32):
very funny because she was authentically her. She got very
sort of fancy years after, but this is when she
was really like MESSI Ninie, and she and Kim were
very good friends. Okay, okay, so they were very good friends.
And now we're walking into a scene where I guess
they were there the week before, sitting down to have
(06:52):
this conversation, and it's Charrey, Ninie and Kim sitting at
this restaurant. So chay uh. Years episodes before this gets
or at some point I think it's the season, gets
into a fight with a party party planner and she
literally like stands up, and you think she's gonna throw
down with him, Like she's like says him, like who
(07:13):
gonna check me boo? And she's gonna like kick this
guy's ass. It's like a famous scene. What what was
your What did you think was gonna happen when this
woman walked outside to be like no, I'm gonna go
get her? Well? Yeah, I mean I was having to
piece a lot of things together. I didn't you know,
I don't. I didn't know the backster, I don't know
the friendships. I don't. I started to realize as the
(07:35):
episode went on that these two were close friends that
had an argument. This is what you're talking And I
did watch this like a week. Yeah, because I choose
iconic scenes, not that you need to be an expert.
It's like an iconic scene in this genre that that
Charay would like walk outside and eventually pull on someone's wig.
(07:59):
But Chay runs outside and then decides to grab Kim's hair,
Like what do you think about that? And what do
you think about that in twenty twenty three? Well, I mean,
regardless of the year, it just it feels. I mean,
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I don't know if I'm unusual in that I'm projecting
my myself into these situations and thinking I can't even
I honestly can't even imagine getting in people's faces like
that and certainly not pulling hair. And I guess I'm
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curious sitting here with you and did you do that
on the show, Like, were you fighting? No? I was
pulling hair? No. Never. I mean I think it would
be it could be a career destroyer, but I just don't.
That's not even my nature anyway. I mean you definitely
there's there are people who have thrown glasses at each
other in this series and and thrown wine. Yeah, it
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was baffling to me. Um. And then I when I
was watching, I was like, oh, right, this is I
guess why I think that the show has fighting. It
has a lot of fighting, right, Yeah, they do. They
do have a lot of drama. But I would say, like,
you wouldn't see this on Beverly Hills, Orange County would
(09:29):
definitely get into a fight like this. It wouldn't happen
on Beverly Hills. There's like a certain level of control
and measure that happens. It's like different franchises have different
um different like personas. So this so the persona of
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Orange county is more like is more where they might
get into like a hair pulling fight. They need to
have like a full on lesbian version of this. Yes,
I just like across the board, just like all lesbian Um,
all lesbian housewives. That's amazing, that's amazing because they've done
(10:12):
they haven't talked about all They've talked about having lesbian's on,
but they haven't talked about all lesbian housewives. All Right,
that's a good idea. That's a great that's a great line,
and it's all right, well we're gonna we're gonna produce
it together. Me okay, Bethany, don't come off with this,
and I won't run off of it. I'm writing it down.
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So now, um, now you see, Kim kim Uh is
someone who's always in controversy. She recently there was a
controversy that she was losing her house. She had an
affair with a married man, but he was never able
to be on the show. She called him Big Papa.
Presumably at this time that's where the money comes from.
She's the one getting vila sculpt like sucking her ass
(10:57):
and not working out, but for the purposes of like
authenticity as a viewer. You know, I like, I remember
being so shocking back then her just getting her legs
an ass sucked on television back then, which would totally
happen now everywhere. But there was something like in the
honesty of it all, yeah, that I found very entertaining,
like of her, not her being like, I'm not gonna
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work out, I'm just gonna get my ass sucked in.
I don't know how much it cost. I give them
the credit card, you know, because I don't even know
that that's entirely true. This audience wants these people to
be very rich, even if it's not entirely true. Yeah,
how rich? How rich are we talking? You know, because
when when in that moment of the episode, when she's like,
I don't know how much it is, I just give
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them my credit card, I thought, Okay, that's clearly an
example of if you if you have to ask the
price of something, you can't afford it. And this is
somebody who is is letting us know. Obviously she's got
a lot of cash, and of course you've got to
have some cash to be on the show, right, Well,
(12:02):
you have no book, like you have cash to be
on the show. But the biggest takedowns of all of
these shows is women saying, like the usually the one
who dresses the best and shows off the most. That
woman's house is in foreclosure, or that woman they filed bankruptcy,
or somebody comes out on the show saying that they
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owe them money, or the person's husband gets arrested because
they've been defrauding people, or the woman herself goes to
jail because she's been defrauding people. Or someone pays hundreds
of thousands of dollars in cash and furniture and two
years or four years or five years later, she and
her husband both go to jail for tax evasion. So
how much does somebody like this woman have that's having
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her ass sucked anywhere from nothing to maybe a couple
of million bucks, but not a lot. And at that
point we think it was the guy she was at
that point, based on what they got paid at that point,
and based on based on the fact that her house
was just up for foreclosure and that it got canceled.
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Whatever her the guy that's married is letting her charge
in his credit card. This you're saying, it was an
unusual time that somebody is being that open and honest
about like, yeah, I'm just gonna go to the doctor
rather than go to the gym. Well, we all were
so much younger then, right, so when we all were
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cast back then, we were in our thirties, and so
not everybody was talking about botox and whatever that mass
sucking thing was. I don't know that everybody was doing
that on television. It just was very different, like now
people are doing everything people were doing things then, But
it just I remember that scene and there was just
something about the entitlement of I'm not gonna work out,
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I'm just gonna get my ass sucked on television, probably
because this guy's giving it to me for free in
exchange for promoting it. Like it just there's something about
it that's that was raw about it. It It was just like,
like I said, it was the show is just a
little more messy back then, which I like, Yeah, she
has like she has like ten thousand bracelets on she's
sitting there. And now Candy was a newer housewife. Now
(14:08):
Candy was in was in what helped write I think
the song Scrubs, Remember that song I Don't Want No Scrubs?
And she was like in a girl band called Escape
so she's actually a talented musician and singer, and she's
now on the show, which was different than just women
who were just obscure. This was like the first kind
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of individual with their own previous brush with fame. So
you're trying to find notable people in Atlanta. So that
was that was That was Candy when she's you know,
at the carnival. So we go to this party. There
are these hang on people, like not in a bad
way for him, like they're there are the friends of
the people that become their own characters. And so he
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apparently is given his own scene to have this big
birthday party because it's an event that everybody gets to
go to. So my favorite line of his was, this
is a this is a birthday already and a production.
I want high drama all night long. Yeah. So now
let's get back to twenty twenty three and grabbing candies breasts.
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I was a little it was a little surprised by that.
Um and uh, that is clearly not something that's going
to I mean, obviously things still happen now, but it
doesn't feel like something that would be that blatant and anyone.
(15:39):
Oh and especially with a camera the camera's there might
be in the back of an office. Yeah, that's what
I's gonna say, is showcased in that way. But I'm
wondering what your perspective you walk in as you and
someone grabs your breasts, which is what it's This is
the this is the episode of like, keep your fucking
hands to yourself. Well, I mean me personally, I don't
even have breasts because of I had cancer. But if
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somebody grabbed me like that, I that might make you
feel even more self conscious. By the way, Well, no,
not me. I mean I did a comedy special for
HBO with my shirt off after I had a double mystectomy,
so I'm not that sensitive about it, got it. But
as far as somebody touching me, if I had breath still,
(16:25):
that wouldn't fly. No, and I and I don't. I
don't think it's appropriate. Just across the board, I think
there has to be more civilized behavior and respect of
other people's boundaries. Do you think that Bravo should have
stepped in in that regard, Yeah, I think that that's
(16:49):
completely in line violation in the workplace effectively, Yeah, And
there's so much more that needs to be done across
the board in this world. But you see not just
this show, but so many things there has been there
(17:11):
have been breakthroughs of change, and definitely many of them
are scripted. That this is real people, So that's like
really showing you the world versus like writers in a room,
you know what I mean. You could tell Candy was
she was so uncomfortable. It was clearly. That's how it
seemed to me. It was clear that she's uncomfortable. Now
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think about this. She's a new housewife, she's a new
girl in school, so she wants this gig, I'm sure,
and she's been on it for years and been very successful.
She wants the gig, which is very you know, you
can make an analogy to like a job, right, she
wants this job and like in work and like in
me too. Sometimes the game is moving too quickly, like
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you don't even know you later think about something being inappropriate.
We hear a lot of stories someone has taken advantage of,
you know, but like the game is moving quickly in
the moment, we don't all react in the moment the
way that we do on you know, the Monday morning quarterback,
like what a person has taken advantage you or said
something inappropriate at work or tried something on you, And
like later people come with these stories because I'm sure
(18:19):
they've digested it all. Yeah, I think it's easy for
people to say, why did you respond this way? Why
didn't you walk out the out of the room, why
didn't you hang up the phone? And honestly, most people
aren't thinking that they're walking into a scenario where somebody's
going to grab their boobs and you're caught off guard.
(18:42):
And yeah, especially if the layer that's added to the
situation is that this is a job or a new job,
that's that really puts you in a situation where I
think it's easy to freeze or maybe not respond in
a way that you would have if you had been
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given some information beforehand. And we also didn't know what
was right and wrong, then we just like allowed for
different things. Meaning I as a viewer back then, I
remember the weave pull, and that's what the episode is
named unbelievable. It's not called unbetitable. And the truth is,
I don't even remember the boob thing. I remember the
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weave thing, meaning BROWO didn't even highlight it wasn't in
the description, and no one really had a big problem
with it because we kind of allowed for shit that
we didn't allow for that we allowed for shit that
we don't allow for. Now we sit down, How is
your feeling all these years later as somebody that was
on a show that had these elements. Well, that's a
(19:51):
great question, because so I went on the show. It
was called Manhattan Moms, the show that I joined. It
was supposed to be about a bunch of moms and
getting their kids into private school, and they were looking
for the last mom. And I wasn't a mom, and
I wasn't even in a successful relationship, and I wasn't rich.
I lived in a studio apartment furnished by Ikia, and
I I said no to it. For the first month,
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I didn't even understand what it was because it wasn't
what it was. It wasn't anything. And it was really
great back then in the sense that it was more
about like conflict of the mind, and it was New
York and there was a lot of like more of
like mental arguing. There was never anything physical. Number one
(20:32):
and number two definitely inappropriate things happened, but it was
always something from the very beginning that I was a
little embarrassed by to be honest, and I only did
it for three seasons until I left. And most people
who were just broke don't leave something when they start
to make money. And I left for multiple seasons and
(20:53):
tried to really disassociate, which happened, and then I went
back for a lot of money and with a different
perspect even to connect to this audience who I the
audience is a great, smart audience, a very well educated,
very funny smart So I, for whatever reason, I took
a while to think about it, and I went back,
and I went back for a lot of money, the
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highest paid that time. But I always was still a
little embarrassed, like I wanted to kind of be there,
but like not be there, you know, and always tried
to stay elevated. And there was a moment where I
spoke to a very powerful agent that I know and
wanted to leave, and he said, there's gonna be a
point where peoplere gonna be like, what the hell is
she still doing there? Like why there's only such a
(21:34):
point that you can be, you know, seem a little
different than everybody else, and why is she still being there?
So when I left and I told people why, it
had turned into something different. It evolved into something different
because the more crazy scenes like that happen, the more
the next group of people coming in, I feel the
need to do something crazier, throw a prosthetic leg across
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the floor. So the more and the more preconceived notions
they have about what people look like, where people have,
they want to have more and they want to put
on more makeup and be more. So it became something
very different than what it started out as. And I
honestly said why I left it. I didn't want to
be there anymore, and I didn't love what it represented,
and my daughter was embarrassed by it. And that's I
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try to be light on that, because it's a version
of shitting on where you came from and what made
you brought you up. So then when I did this show,
it was a whole thing all over the media. Why
would I do this, the show that I trashed, etc.
And I said, because I'm not trashing anybody, and I'm
allowed to reflect on my experience like we are right now,
give some perspective. And also it's not a trash show.
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And the game was moving fast. When we were on
a boat and there were no life vest for all
these housewives and the boat was like hit by a
giant wave. I was fucking loud, like what the fuck?
We almost died on the goddamn boat in Columbia, And
how did no one check the life vest? You know,
like it was hard the game. It was a little
bit like the medieval times back then, right, Yeah, that's interesting.
(23:02):
Yeah I didn't. I wasn't aware that that. Yeah. I
guess that you had kind of removed yourself and that
maybe reflected on that time differently. Yeah, I removed myself
(23:22):
and it was like the Eagle Health Pleases over tour.
And then I went back because I still was going.
I just you know, I was still was going back
to what I thought that it was earlier, and I
went back to a whole different show. That was when
everybody had hair and makeup teams, and when everything seemed
more contrived, and you know, people had there were too
many different cities, so people were watching other shows and
coming on and be like I'm gonna do this, and
(23:43):
I'm gonna be that, and I'm gonna buy a Ferrari
and show it off and I'm gonna you know, it
became really competitive, so people had to you more are
you friendly with people from uh, Like I remember certain
people fondly and I'll text and keep a nice distance,
but like congratulations are a like post. But most of
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the people you're kind of put together with and it's
not really the place to like to nurture new friendships
and it's a great place to kill interpersonal relationships that
you came in with and family relationships. It's pretty toxic
and it's very entertaining, and then people make a lot
of money and they'll show a charity scene out of
fifty and then it makes everybody feel like it's all better,
but it's it's a thing. Yeah, it's entertaining, it's entertaining,
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but it is real people. A lot of dynamics though
about people like we're talking about that come through. And
that's why like this show, because you end up talking
about female dynamics or why does somebody feel the need
to brag? Or why would you go on TV when
you have something to hide? And skeletons and a thousand
different things. So there are interesting topics that come from Yeah, yeah,
(24:49):
I guess if I had if I had more of
that information, now that you're saying that about skeletons, in
the closet and bragging even find out that you're saying
some people are completely broke. And I was assuming watching
this that the show is about multi millionaire, multi million,
(25:11):
that everybody is just swimming in cash everybody now and
when I was on, like they would never cast me
now in a studio apartment, but everybody now needs to
seem like they're wealthy or aspirational. But there will be
nothing better producer will like more than finding out that
that's not true but they look like they are. There's
(25:32):
nothing better than you know, and this is where it's crazy.
A person who is not drinking falling off the wagon
like it's That's why it's weird to be a producer
on these types of shows too, because you have to
ride the line between when do you like cross over
to the I factor? When is it like, stop the cameras.
This is fucking crazy, and usually they don't stop the
cameras no matter how crazy it is. I was. I
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was on a trip with one scene where they did
actually stop the cameras because someone look like they were
having a breakdown. You know, stuff like that happens. I
know you don't know me, but just right off the bat,
How do you think I would do as a cast
member on a house Well, if you acted like if
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you signed up for it and then said things like
I can't imagine ever getting into a fight like that,
you would survive the first season, but then the shiny
car smell would be off and like you have to
in other words, there was one person who do one
a couple of dates of someone really famous and this
(26:36):
person I had like a title and they kind of
acted like they were always above it, but they were there. Yeah,
So like if you're there, you're a mud wrestler, some
version of a mud wrestler. Yeah, you know, so if
you said that wouldn't fly with the breast touching, So
I'd like to know how that wouldn't fly. Like you're
using your inside voice, whatever that is. That's what you're
(26:57):
using in that experience. So you're you're joining you need
to use your outside voice for whatever that means. That's interesting, Yeah,
you know, Like I don't I don't say to somebody
a drop off and pick up, like why did you
choose that shirt today? But if they were on the
Housewives and so was I, I would say, what was
the what was the motivation? Which behind that wardrobe choice?
(27:19):
Do you know what I'm saying? I do? And I
feel like if I was on that show, I would
get that question every day. What was the what were
you thinking? Why are you? Why are you wearing the
same outfit every day on this show? Yeah, that wouldn't
work well at all. It might it's actually a new character,
but that that wouldn't work work. That might not work well.
(27:41):
That would be on the Lesbian Housewives. Or you could
be the token lesbians. Ask your partner, ye, go in
front a cocktail, get really rich about it? Now somebody
somebody approached her about um doing something with Yeah, you'd
be good as the partner that people like because you
come in and you roll her rise and you say
(28:02):
a few things and you don't have to get really dirty,
and then they like you. You know that that becomes
a favorite. Less is more. You could be that she
could be the one who gets in the fucking mud.
She wouldn't Okay, well, well forgot that. Yeah, we'd we'd
be a terrible match for it. Okay, all right, well
we won't put that in the list for that. All right.
So Nini is talking to Lisa. She's the one she
(28:23):
goes power walking with Now, Lisa was a housewife that
I believe was let go, and I'm actually watching her
and thinking she was let go and Sherey, the one
who got out to pull the hair, was let go
at some point in this process. And I'm actually thinking, say,
I never understood why she got let go because I
loved her because she is a tough broad and she's
entertaining to me in that. But Lisa's like a little
spitfire and she was also let go, and she's better
(28:46):
than a lot of new housewives now. So I was
thinking about why they were let go as housewives, like
they were a little too fast and loose about letting
people go back then because people way worse will last
way longer now and I would have to ask Andy
about that and how long is way longer? Like how
what's a long run for these There's a woman who
just left the show, and it's a gray area whether
(29:08):
she left or got fire, but we believe that it's
a that she doesn't matter what. We believe she left
the show and we don't believe it she wanted to.
So her name is Lisa Rinna and she was on
probably like twelve years there's one who's been on since
for fourteen years, since the beginning. That's like the Susan
Lucci of housewives. Like that's a wrong, Like you've made
(29:32):
a decision, Like you've made a life choice to be
on the house a career. Oh my gosh. Right, the
average life span of a housewife, I would say the
average life span of a housewives three years, two to
three years. And I've always maintained if you get fired
from the only job you have to do is be
an entertaining shit show. That's all you have to do
(29:53):
every day. Doesn't matter what you like, you just have
to be an entertaining shit show. And if you can't
do that, that's pretty pretty grim. That's pretty fucking Graham.
So so Lisa, I believe it was let go. And
she's like a little spitfire and and it's like ready
to throw down, which I thought was interesting. She and
Nani are talking about, say who's moving into her house.
Shari was married to a professional football player who had
(30:15):
a contract, and she said she wanted a seven figure settlement.
She wanted a seven figure settlement. She was really firm
about that. And Susie Orman was on my podcast saying
like why would that be her goal? A seven figure
like that's her whole goal? Like why wouldn't it be
that she's actually going to get the money. Like the
way that she said it, it was like Say said
(30:37):
it like it was a status symbol versus like Susie
Orman talking about that she's actually going to get something
that she'll that she wants, something that she can actually attain,
because just getting a settlement doesn't mean you're actually going
to get it, and like that, it just seemed like
a status symbol. It is interesting the way she talked
about financial planning in The Housewives, which is an oxymoring moron.
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So now say is moving into this new place. She
has to get out of her other one because they
weren't paying, and now she's in a new place on
her own, and the girls come over and that's why
Ninie and Lisa are gossiping beforehand about Charay and about
the divorce. And they roll in. So Chari has a
friend with the short hair, And I thought this was
(31:18):
really interesting too, because you look at things differently. Now
Ninie walks up to the girl and says, you need
to eat a sandwich. This thin girl that's friends of Sharai.
Do you remember that? Ye? So the girl says, soon,
I'll just I eat. Believe me, I eat soon, I'll
be your size. So the pendulum swings. Ninie's offended. This
(31:41):
other girl becomes a villain. And the girl was a
little extra, but this girl becomes a villain. And I'm thinking,
why is it okay to say to somebody you need
to eat a sandwich, which indicates you're painfully thin, you're anorexic,
whatever that means, Like that means something not positive, and
why was that okay? And the moment that the show too,
the really the pendulum swings to the Nanie comment about
(32:05):
her being overweight, and it's like it's sort of like
the weave pull versus the tick grab. I think they're
equally as offensive. And I think Nanie came out of
the gate. I agree. I asked somebody that has had
health issues. I've I've had people make comments when I
(32:27):
was like, definitely ill similar eat a sandwich, and I'm like, well,
whether it whether? I mean, it was all at the
same time. I had a basic cancer, I had an
intestinal disease. I had a lot going on, and people
would write online that I needed to eat a sandwich.
You know, I feel like that's that that thing that
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people love to say. I have to put that in
your act because it's so stupid. I've tweeted back and okay,
I just ate a sandwich. Now, what are we gonna do? Exactly?
Should we all get on the scale? Tokay, what do
we do next? I just ate a sandwich? Now, Now
what happens? I'm waiting for the movie to end, Like,
what's going to happen? All set had sandwich? Yeah, yeah,
it's it's equally as offensive. And you and you can't
you know, you can't track everyone down online and be like,
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but I'm I'm ill. I'm definitely ill. And I and
you don't you don't know, you don't know what's going
on with people, and you don't know. Maybe they're eating
a lot of sandwiches and they're they're um like whatever
their thing is. Like it's just like but it wasn't
balanced in that. Okay, she said that, you made a
little quip. Okay, I'm a lot like the girl came
back and said, and she didn't say you're a pig,
(33:33):
you're you're fat. She said, I'll keep eating and then
soon I'll be your size. Like I think it was
like mano amano like eye for an eye tooth version.
I didn't think either was more offensive. No, no, you
were you were great interesting And then I do and
I but I, you know, it comes from a personal
place of having that said to me previously, where I'm
(33:58):
just like that, it's it's it can be and the
burden is on you because I have this autoimmune issue
and I was in Aspen recently and I was very
severely dehydrated and I cannot absorb. I couldn't absorb hydration whatsoever.
And I you would think I would like lose weight.
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I gained like ten pounds in a week and it
went up to it got up to like eight pounds
in a week because something I think my body was
an emergency trying to hold onto any liquid or something
was going something was going on, and people were like,
what the fuck happened in your friend? Like you know,
and then the burden is on you to now explain
your most personal medical journey with people, because some patrol
and that. But that's something about the sign of the times.
(34:39):
It's another one of these things like it's okay to
pull the hair it's not okay, but it's it's okay
to grab the boob, not okay to pull the hair.
And it's okay to get upset if someone calls you overweight,
but it's not okay if someone calls you underweight. Like
these these constructs that happen in society that like back
then that was okay. Yeah, I still feel like it's
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okay for people to make that comment if you're um,
if they think you're too thin. But still it's still
not something that's that's off limits. I agree. Oh and
(35:24):
then the girl says to I wonder why that girl
wasn't cast as a house by that. I wonder I
was always wondering like that girl because she then said
to the other to Lisa, you gotta do something with
that with your hair. M hmm, like she said, like
she said, like you have to do something with that,
Like she was like talking about something about if you
(35:45):
you can just get in a pool and wash the way.
So yeah, this show is you know, who's a better
who's better at at insults? In a way? Yeah, and
a lot of them are good, Like who can land
an insult? You know who can land it? And you know,
here's the thing. Let me ask you this because you
(36:05):
know that line from the Woody Allen movie if it bends.
If it bends, it's funny. If it breaks, it's not.
And so my I have an X that used to
always say, humor winds. Humor is its own excuse. So
you get to get away with a lot more on
these shows. If it's funny, if it lands, yeah, I
(36:27):
mean it's across the board, and it is true it
a lot of times with you know, there's a lot
of topics that come up in the comedy world where
people will say, oh, you can't talk about this, you
can't joke about this, and and I get asked that
(36:50):
in interviews. Is there a line that people shouldn't and
can't cross in comedy and joking around? In my feeling
is it has a lot to do with intention. I
think most things have a lot to do with intention.
And um, one of my albums that actually ended up
(37:14):
being the number one selling album comedy album in the
world in twoy Thirteenot, what that's a big that's a
big statement. Yeah, well and it's true it was the
number one. Well it's a lie, but it's cool. Yeah,
that's amazing. It's true, but it's it was you know,
(37:35):
an album where I talked about having cancer, and I
always use that as an example of people always say
there are some things that are not funny and one
of them is cancer, and then I say, well, my
album was the number one selling album that year and um,
And I think that it goes back to what my
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point was is it's intention, and I wasn't on stage
saying ha ha cancer is funny and I'm laughing at
people that have cancer that are struggling or in pain.
It's it's how it goes back to. It's all in
the delivery. It's what your intention is. It's it's um
(38:21):
usually an angle that you're not thinking about that's going
to be the funny way of presenting a topic. And
people when they think cancer isn't funny, or death isn't funny,
or any anything anything that's triggering is not funny, Well,
(38:45):
the way you are thinking that somebody is going to
deliver that is going to be the least funny offensive way.
If there's a way into a topic that's interesting, surprising
the right once, yeah, with the right intention, then I
do think you can surprise people with how you make
(39:07):
a joke about a topic. Did you think that anybody
on the show or anything about it was funny? Um,
it's not. It's not my sensibility. It was the only
kind of laughing I think that I had was um stunned.
(39:35):
I was. I was. I was watching it, going what
is happening? I did? I you know, So it wasn't like, oh,
she really got her with that, and that's so funny,
and I know that's a lot of how people watch
the show and are amused and are laughing about it.
(39:56):
It's just not my sensibility, right, Did you think think
it was like a take like women taking women down?
Because by the way, it's gotten so much crazier now
it's another level what it is now it's steroids now,
I can't I can imagine. But no, great, no, because
now it's people that are incarcerated and people who are
being you know, their kids are being bullied online and
(40:17):
blaming other housewives for being responsible. Awesome, All right, Well
you were amazing. I loved meeting you and for you
to be so just open and honest and like do
this what was probably like, why am I doing this
ridiculous show? So I appreciate that too, No, I was.
I was very interested. I'm always um, there's so many
(40:38):
typical scenarios and podcasts and people that I can find
myself face to face with. And when this came through,
I was like, well, why on earth would they want
me on here? And then my wife was like, you
gotta do it. That that is going to be so
(40:58):
fun and and not that Stephanie she doesn't follow it,
but she's more familiar with Yeah, and her sister follows it.
So I was like, yeah, I gotta do it. Um,
so glad you did it. I'm very glad I did it.
And it's um, it gives me more understanding and perspective
(41:19):
about the show. Um. And so like the genre of
what people are doing. Yeah, because I have friends um
that I think have podcasts and talk about these shows
and stuff, and I'm like, right, I don't even understand
what he now and now you can talk now. You
now when you get a drink, you can think of me,
and now when you talk to them, you can think
(41:40):
of me, So you'll be thinking about me a lot. Yeah,
it is good for people to understand that. When someone's like,
why the hell would you do that? And it's like
is it is it money? Is it this reason? Thank
you for having my hope. I wasn't a letdown, if
and if anybody, if anybody's interested. I have a couple
of podcasts. What are they? I have an advice podcast
US called Don't Ask Tig, where I have a different
(42:02):
celebrity every week. You'll have to come join me, okay,
and we give advice to people. Okay. And then I
have another one called Tig and Cheryl True Story and
it's me and Cheryl Hines from Curb Your Enthusia. It
is Oh, she was just on here. She would just
on just being my other podcast, Cheryl Hines was just on.
I liked our a lot. Cool. Hello, well fabulous. Well
(42:25):
I want to come see you performed sometimes. I I'd
love stand up my whole life. Oh please do. I'm
often well, I'm always on tour. So um. I have
a website but in La I love literally since since
I was a kid and liked way too young to
be watching stand up but also used to go watch
Alan Havevey and John Stewart at the comedy Cellar downstairs
(42:49):
before like you know, and I happen to know a
lot of comedians like I just happened to I did
stand up for five minutes one night at New York,
New York Comedy Club, and I know one was allowed
to have phones, and it was literally the first night
that they opened. And little did I consider that people
would have to be six feet apart and wearing masks
(43:10):
in a comedy club. So that was the first time
I ever did it, which isn't like that's not that
much of a good starting the pandemic you started. I
did it one time for five minutes. I just said
to myself, I wanted to try something I had always
wanted to try, and I called and I got I
called everyone from Ellen to Chris Rock to Kathy Griffin,
like I just got a piece of advice from everyone
that was like my sort of approach, and Kevin Nealen
(43:31):
and learned a lot along the way. Had just wrote
a bunch of things down that I've liked and thought
was funny. And just like Chris Rock saying the beginning
and the end is important, the middle is just a flow,
and that it's a very intimate thing. Don't bring it entourage,
and then someone else saying bring it entourage, Kathy Griffin
thinking bring a lot of people for the energy, and
then Kathy or someone saying take the mic stand and
(43:55):
put it away from you immediately, and then bridget ever
being like you need the mic stand, it's a prop
like hearing all this stuff and then having to decide
for myself. But the one thing that I think it
was Kevin Neilon that gave the instruction and then Kim
Whitley that gave me the answer. But Kevin Neilan was like,
let me realize that people have different styles and not
(44:18):
meaning like Stephen Wright or something so overt, but meaning
like Kevin said, I tell a whole story, like it's
kind of like a storytelling where other people are like
individual back to back jokes. Yeah, and I realized that
my quote unquote style was ranting like things that aggravate me.
(44:38):
Kim Whitley was like, like the things that aggravate you.
That was like my style. And so I did five
minutes and even with the masks on and people being
a part, people laughed like I didn't feel naked up
there or anything like I landed the jokes. I could
have been slower, and yeah I didn't, and I actually
I love it, like I think it's great. I mean
(45:01):
it's the heart. It is really hard and the reason
I think it's so hard. And I said, I'm glad
I kept you on because I said to Paul, we
were watching Sebastian Maniscalco and like a bunch of other
people one weekend, and I said, it feels like The Housewives,
Like I said to Paul, when you do a major
scene on The Housewives, not like one of these scenes
(45:21):
where there are two cameras, but there are four camera guys. Right,
it's like a big scene like someone's christening or something,
like the train leaves the station and the cameras are on,
and like you're there and if you say something, you're
in your head knowing you said it, but like the
cameras are still on. You have to like keep going,
so you can't. And there are some great housewives that
will say something terrible that they should never have said.
(45:42):
They can get out of their head right away and
just like keep rolling and not worry about the fact
in six months from now they're getting canceled. When that's
on air, and you know, to not be in your head,
I said to Paul this, it's like that's what stand
up looks like. They're up there but it's started. The
people are right there and they can't even go the bathroom,
like even though the cameras might come with you, but
just take a minute. Like they're on the goddamn ride
(46:06):
and they definitely fucked something up and said something wrong,
and they they're living in it but still in the
future and in the present at the same time. And
that seems so hard for like an hour and a
half special because you've the train has left the station. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's it's uh, I mean, it's it's definitely when you
say it's it's hard, or you know, I feel like
(46:29):
when you're doing what you want or supposed you're supposed
to be doing, it's not that hard. But it's I
would say in the beginning stages, it's hard when you're
really learning the the world of comedy and perfect well
(46:52):
there you're going to say, like the mechanics of it too,
because there are mechanics which most people don't really realize. Absolutely.
I mean people don't realize that. And I've seen when
I first started, there was a girl that really in
her heart and soul, she came and watched the comedy
show that I did every week in my first year
(47:12):
of comedy, and she truly believed that every comedian was
just getting up on stage and just talking, had no plan,
They didn't think anything before they got on stage. They
just got on stage and talked. And she signed up
to go up on stage, and she did and just
(47:33):
crumbled and the crowd destroyed her and she was crying.
And I went out to eat with her at a
diner afterwards, and she was like, how do you do that?
Oh my god, Oh my god. I thought you were
just talking And I was like, no, no, there's so
much the guy. I mean, I was going up on stage,
(47:55):
you know, six or seven nights a week, and working
at it all the time. Time. Yeah, it's funny because
I think me going up and doing well was beginner's
luck in a way. And the reason I say that
it's so I've done to not to her point, but
I've done speaking engagements around the country and it always
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ends up being like a stand up back, like people
are laughing at all this different stuff, but it still
has a structure, it still has some base that I
can always go back to, meaning I'm I'm promoting a
book and there's ten rules to it, or I've come
in because we're talking about charity. I've got like bullet
points to go to. I've got a tool kit, and
what I realized that night, and also it was a
week that I said I was doing. And of course
(48:37):
every person would be great at it. Everybody said my accountant, Oh,
I know I'd be great at that. Everybody I've always
wanted to do. Okay, so go do it. Like it
annoyed me because I felt like I was gonna get
up and do it no matter what. It wasn't particularly
nervous because the worst could happen is I guess that
you're not funny, which is pretty bad. But the reason
I felt safe when I did do it, even if
(48:59):
it wasn't so funny, which people really did laugh, they
weren't like crying rolling in the aisles, but like it
was a success. It was a if I grated myself
on a test, it was an eighty five. Yeah, so so.
But I felt safe because it was organized, like I
felt like I had a nest. Even if it wasn't
that funny, it was talking in an organized manner like.
So that was why I didn't feel like it could
(49:21):
be a total bomb, because I knew where I was
going and even if that wasn't the funniest joke, I
wouldn't feel lost. So the organization was what surprised me
the most about stand up comedy. Yeah, it's a it's
a it's a complicated beast and it um and it's
easy for some, and you know there are others that
(49:44):
have been doing it for decades and they still are
rattling in their boots backstage and wow, yeah it's yeah.
I would love it. I would have. That's like a
that's like a career path I would have. I wouldn't
like traveling like you do and going to all these cities.
I wouldn't enjoy that, and I won't sort of taint
how the process by like dabbling, because I realize how
(50:07):
hard you work and how hard people work. So it's
like something you have to fully commit to, which is
why I've only done it that one time, to break
the seal and see what it would feel like. But
when I got responses from people like Chris Rock and
Ellen and Kathy like it was nothing and Kevin Neal,
I had so much respect for the craft that like
people were so in detail about the advice, Like Chris
(50:30):
Rock gave me the longest piece of advice and I
don't know him well, I just was so moved by
him writing five, you know, a couple of paragraphs and
a text and give me like really solid takeaway advice.
So I thought the whole experience was like to I
honored the craft that you do. More that makes any sense. Yeah,
So anyway, that's my comedy story. Well cool, thank you, well,
(50:52):
thank you so much for coming, and I hope I
cross paths with you again soon. Yes, thanks for having
me
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Bethenny Frankel
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