“You just… be quiet” with Jenny McCarthy

RHOSLC - S1, E1 "Welcome to Salt Lake City"

Bethenny and Jenny McCarthy analyze details about certain housewives that don't seem to add up. What are they hiding...Fake wealth? Hidden families? Bethenny and Jenny think it could be all of the above. Find out who they're talking about.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
On today's episode, we are diving into the first episode
ever of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. That's right,
it's season one, episode one, Welcome to Salt Lake City.
We meet the Salt Lake City Housewives for the first
time ever, and yes, even Jen Shaw you know her
from the Masked Singer and now she has her own

(00:25):
formless beauty line. The one and only Jenny McCarthy joins
the hot seat. Her unfiltered take on everything makes this
one hilarious episode. This is the Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City, Season one, Episode one, Welcome to Salt Lake City.
Let's go. So I never saw Salt Lake and because

(00:53):
there are so many and I don't watch the Housewives regularly,
you know, I just don't. I never even watched when
I was on, except for episode each week to know
if I was getting in trouble, like I'm watching the
Wire now. I watched This Is Us with Britt you know,
I just I don't watch reality TV all that much.
So I am finding this fascinating going back and watching

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from seasons long ago and then just knowing that there's
this whole other city that's being showcased, and like that
these people have come to life for me. So I
thought that the first thing that I thought, I always
think back to the beginning of Housewives, and that was
this is season one, episode one we're watching of Salt Lake,
and I think back to me being in like a

(01:36):
sweater like this without the bling in really no makeup,
just living my true life. And so this is a
bunch of clowns in many ways, Like I don't like
it really is you go back and because they've been
watching for years, all these cities, so they're wearing co costumes.
So it's annoying because I like when before it changed,

(01:58):
and it changed during the care earl Kristen heather Era.
I came back and I was like, what the fun
we have glam and the Berkshire is like it annoyed me.
It will never go back to the original ever, right,
Like you know, I saw a picture yesterday somebody texting
me a picture of Lisa Rinne in like a David
Byrne shoulder fashion outfit. I guess she was in London

(02:20):
or Briton, Milan or somewhere doing fashion stuff. And they
said to me, what's her five year plan? Exactly like
and I said, I don't know, I don't even know
what she's wearing because I remember Lisa, and I like Lisa.
She was wearing like sheath dresses from the Today's Show
for the first couple of seasons of Housewives, and all
of a sudden, now she's in a David Byrne costume.
So everybody's gone crazy with the fashion. Well, this show

(02:43):
in particular, it's an interesting how they combine religion with
a character. Well, by the way, I'm not religious, and
I don't act like like it's literally like everything that
you wouldn't think that religious would mean. Is he so
jen Shaw? And I'm not saying this because we know

(03:06):
that she ends up going to jail. I texted Andy Kohen,
I said, this woman is insufferable, like was she always
is in something Episode one, she came in insufferable. I'm
gonna say it's good casting because you need someone. I
don't know how they predict who's going to go to prison,
but they're seemed to be pretty good at it right. Well,

(03:27):
that that's fair. Also, I've been to Sundance many times.
I've never seen anyone dressed like half these women. Never
one time in Utah have I seen any So this
is like the costume party for the show that we've
just been cast on, and we got Gucci from our
hair follicles to our toenail cuticles. Like it's it's really

(03:50):
it's really overboard in a way. You kind of you
want it to happen because you need to love to
hate it, you know what I mean? Love like Show Girls,
You like, I love to hate to watch that. You
know you hate watch it, right, and they make it
so you want it with the ownership. But by the way,
shouldn't it be called like the Real house Lives of
Park City because it feels like, aren't they mostly at

(04:13):
Park I'm like, oh, maybe, because the model is to
always say the big city, like it's New York City.
It's like, even though I mean it's Atlanta, because those
are all suburbs of Atlanta where they all that's true,
Like the Beverly Hills ladies they're in you know someone
Sherman Oaks exactly. And don't worry that nobody's married on
the Housewives either. So let's not let the truth get

(04:34):
in the way of a good story. Jenny McCarthy, Let's
not do that with reality television as it is in
twenty twenty three, So I also really like, I want
to be authentic about reviewing it, not just being because
we know the headline, but I really do whether I
would have said it out loud or not. My first
thought when I saw jen Shaw on the screen and

(04:56):
what she was wearing going to the beauty play was
she's dressed like an asshole. That's the first thought that
I had, is that person is dressed like an asshole.
That is literally the first thought that I had in
every scene and just looking at when she's wearing pretty sure,
you're right, I mean I thought that along with when
I saw her about to go skiing, and I was like,

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that is an outfit that screams I don't know how
to ski, and then boom, we see her on the
bunny hill. You know, right, And didn't you immediately when
someone shows so much? Didn't you immediately then say like
is any is everything real? True? Of course? Now, mind you,
I let this episode one slip into episode two, so
if I wind up dipping into two, that's why. But

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you know, the thing that I get kind of annoyed with,
and I think most people were annoyed with with sol City,
which is you don't feel like they're real friendships. And
you know, back in your day, you know, you felt
like there was okay, these women I could see kind
of hanging around you were a little bit of the underdog.
Everyone was rooting, you know, for you. And but there's

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this I'm like, I'm not buying that for one second
they were friends, would be friends except for those two
brunettes that you know talk like this s which I
don't know why I talk like this's Meredith. Then is it? Yes, yes,
it all. There's a gloss and a sheen and a
patina to it all that doesn't seem real. And I

(06:26):
think we should, as a topic in a minute, get
into like what it is with people really wanting to
paint themselves into the perfect corner to just show how
rich they are, Like why does everybody want everybody to
think they're so rich and to show everything they have?
Like I imagine you have some really nice things. I'm

(06:50):
sure you're you bought yourself nice things, your husbands bought
nice things like And I don't know why people feel
the need to like show it all. It just feels
And I don't because Bethany, I don't think it's necessarily
about the nice things. And this thing, this is about
how do I stay on this show? And this show
represents wealth, and so I better show it, push it,

(07:14):
so I show that I belong with the Joneses. That's
that's great. That's I love when someone yes, because when
I came on, I would never have been cast. Now
in my studio, I keya apartment that I remember doing
it over for ten thousand dollars. That was a renovation
for me because I did ever knew that you could
change a sinc h or c knob, Like you just

(07:37):
took what you took when you moved into an apartment.
That apartment was where I lived on the real housewise,
the apartment that you just moved in, took the parquet floors,
the shitty you know, eight it dollar microwave, and that
was it. So you're right, So now you've seen it
all before. And but back in the day, Teresa, before
it was what it is now was on paying for
cash and I mean furniture and cash and then going

(07:59):
to jail. That's rights point about that too. Well think
about it like it's like it's becomes so obnoxious to
to show it off from the viewers point of view.
But from the shows. I mean, you were on it,
but I look at Beverly Hills and Erica. When she
first came on, it was like, look at my you know,

(08:19):
would have her ring and Dad da dad. It was
so much, but it was more of like I belong here,
I'm the richest. Look at some people are making fun
that you're not that rich. So I feel like it's
a character in the show. And if they don't possess
that quality, they're looked down upon. Right. And then also
people never realize that if you live in Atlanta, you know,

(08:40):
thirty minutes from Atlanta, you could have an eighteen thousand
square foot house for one point something million dollars. We
were living in New York City in four thousand square
foot places that are worth you know, seven million dollars. Yeah,
So the audience in many any cases, in some of

(09:01):
these cities, they really have to show all the logos
and the bags because that is a character. And in
New York it was more of a stretch to have
to have content not be about the b roll because
we had nothing to show. I mean, Luan's apartment was
like a one bedroom, shitty apartment, you know. But I
think too it was about the relationships. It was about
the hustle. It's about the relationships, and that's what made

(09:22):
it so good. Now it's like now it's literally like
the characters are a cast system. They treat each other
like a cast system. Oh you're only in a two
thousand square foot house. Huh, Well I've got the private jet, Darling.
I could take you on my jet. You know. It's like,
you're right, that's part of the Yeah, the money is
the rub and the finding out if someone really does
or doesn't have it is a witch hunt. Let's talk

(09:54):
about what would make someone who has any skeletons go
on a reality reality telling you So, let's let's talk
about how many people have gone to jail or like
the Salahi He's break into the White House, Teresa goes
to jail, Joe goes to jail. That I've got something
to hide this one, Jen, I mean, how I know?
Literally it was. It made me think about how many

(10:16):
housewives have gone to jail or husband's or you know,
there's rehabs, you name it. But I think it's a
desperate Yeah, exactly, it's a desperation. I think for fame.
I think we've made we're in a society right now
where we've treated fame to be the ultimate goal, and
then as you see, when you get there, it's not.
It's all cracked up to be. It's difficult, and if

(10:38):
you don't have the right foundation going into this, you're screwed.
You're fucked because saying you're saying that the fame is
the meat, I mean you're saying that you need the meat.
The fame is a side dish. Like I always say,
you can make a lifestyle out of a life, you
can't make a life out of a lifestyle. So The
Housewives intrinsically is throwing lifestyle on camera and onto the screens,

(11:06):
and then a lot of people can't back it up. Well,
this is the thing, Bethany. You wouldn't sign up for
a show that looked like Salt Lake City Today knowing.
But I didn't know what I was even signing up for.
I mean, I had eight thousand dollars to my bank account. Correct,
that was a different show. I feel like it's totally
two different planets back then when you're on totally now
it's it's it's grab it, it's it's attracting certain personalities

(11:31):
people that need superficial rewards. So it's like I need
the fame, I need to look good in my Uh,
it's the only way I'm going to get there. It's
the only way I'm going to climb up the ladder.
It's it's it's not looking. It's there's no spirituality and
there's no substance. Correct. Also, here's what I also think,
and we haven't even gotten into the show, which is

(11:52):
amazing because it's the first time I've ever really done this,
which I like. It's also I've said before and honestly respectfully,
because it's not about trashing. It's just a thread. Sonya
Morgan was married to someone to JP Morgan's I guess grandson,
let's say, or somebody over there the Morgan letters, Luan
was married to account That was her identity. She was

(12:13):
the countess. Literally, what the hell does that even mean?
But there it is. Camille Grammer was married to Kelsey.
Their identity was attached to somebody else. So I see
in many of these cases people want their own moment
to shine. And I even see it with Kathy Hilton.
What the fuck does Kathy Hilton, who I've said this
to her face, need with this garbage, what paris Nikki?

(12:38):
Then Kyle, it's want I want some of the light,
like whether you whether it's true, whether she would admit
it or not. It's what I asked. You know what,
I never thought about that. You're right, you're right. If
they've been propping up their partner, possibly being the sidekick,
being the trophy wife, and now they're like, this is
my opportunity to be seen, to be heard, and they're

(13:00):
using that, that's actually a really good point. That would
that would attract that type of personality, you know, because
you think of these people that are already rich. Wait
a minute, I was on I had eight thousand miles
to my name and to pay my rent. If you're
rich like this, if you're like private plane rich, what
the fuck are you doing? Like, what are you actually
doing on this television show? Who's gonna like pull up

(13:22):
your goddamn skirt if you don't have to exactly, it's
it's power. It's a power trip or an ego. It's
an ego attempt at what they're thinking building self esteem
when releads their ego drive in the car, and the
excuse is often I remember sitting with PK and boy
George and Kyle, and Pek says Dori is going on

(13:44):
the show because we want what you did for her
to do that, meaning like we're doing it for that reason.
And while I do believe that people want to use
it as a way to really like cash out, it
doesn't seem like that by the examples on the show.
It seems sometimes like a last ditch effort. I've seen
people try to save marriages through this. I've seen it

(14:06):
destroy marriages. But like I remember Jules and Michael went
on the New York House as they were already having problems.
It's like something you're gonna do together that like maybe
this will save us, you know, Like I've seen people
spend ahead of it, so like we're gonna let's just
get on, but then we have to spend to look
like we belong here, but the money's gonna catch up exactly. Well,
that's why I think a lot with Pete Kane, I

(14:30):
think that group, you know, spent more. The first time
we ever saw Pekane doret not to get another episode,
but I was like, Byner Bentley and they're renting a house.
Things didn't The math didn't up. The math didn't up.
With what people were saying. Sat Jill Zarin rented a
Ferrari the first episodes on Housewives because we're on here

(14:50):
and the money will catch up, like it'll That's what
I think people do. Alex and Simon, we're spending thirty
thousand dollars in same parts in August, like the money.
The people are thinking, we'll just do this and the
money will catch up. So from the show. So, and
that's how people get in debt. That's the American way.
And it's seems to be a thread. Okay, it would
be exhausting, but keep going, well, it would be. It

(15:12):
would be exhausting. And being on Beverly Hills would be
exhausting because the show, like every picture and there, it's
so filtered and it's so like I would be. I
would wither, I'd be dehydrated, I would have I'd have
coal sores every week from being stressed. Well, you know,
we'd be Denise when she walked out in shorts on

(15:33):
a balcony they were on a vacation and she walked
out in shorts like because they were on vacation on
a balcony that people wearing like gone with the wind
ball gowns on a balcony having drinks with each other
because it's like it's for us. They're dressing because they're
at a party with us the view, so it's shifted. Okay,
that was a good like purging. So Jen speaks about
herself in the third person. So it's we're going to

(15:57):
Jen shell A and Jen's like this, but it's a
gen Shop party. Um, So that's just something I want
to address that she speaks about herself on the third person.
And we've seen many celebrities do the same thing over
the course of our careers. A lot of them do. Uh.
She's got issues obviously right from the get go. Um,

(16:20):
but I have to ask you, because you brought up
the ridiculousness of her party. Why I haven't been to
a themed costume party since I was eight? Like, I
don't understand the Housewives. It's it's a franchise thing. But
why is always a themed party and then there's only
like a few of you guys there, Like I don't
get it, Like what was the thing? Okay? So there

(16:43):
always has to be an event for something, right, And
so you saw the cup but they came out of
the gate like renewing your vows on camera season one,
like you've like this is popping your cherry. That means
like you are desperate to be on television, Like you'll
give them anything, You'll literally given And Bethany, are they
paying for this stuff or does the show have a budget.

(17:07):
Usually they get trade outs, so they'll go get tradeouts
and you'll be able to see it Joe from Joe's
Party Planning and you're like, Oh, Joe from Joe's Party Planning.
You know it's been a tradeout usually, but it appens
because I've had them want to do many parties and
then they've wanted to take care of it. They've wanted
to give me a budget because I didn't want to

(17:28):
do it. And I had just come back after three seasons,
and so I did come back in a different position.
I don't know how to say that without sounding like
an asshole, but I came back at a big number.
I came back. I came back at different rules, and
I came back with different perks to letting people into
my house and things like that. That's just what I experienced.

(17:50):
But I would think a newer desperate housewife would be
throwing money at the problem just so it happens and
what you should know, which is weird, and you get
tired of doing this after years and you learn your
lesson is that housewives are very competitive about wanting to
own the trip, own the party. Like it's Jenny mccaugh

(18:13):
Like you're Jenny. You're like, no, I want it to
be we have the finale party and it's for this reason.
I'm you know, getting triple z tits and that's the
reason for the party. And I want to own the
party because you want the attention. But like once you're seasoned,
you realize, let them have let me show up and
say a couple of funny things and get the fuck
out of the party. I don't want to want the party.

(18:34):
I don't want this in my house. I don't want
the drape three, I don't want the people right. So
people get focused on the wrong things, thinking it like
makes them either more famous or more popular or more relevant.
They want the camera on them more. You get to
a point where I got like you you want to
shoot less, do less? Have it be less about you
get in, light the place on fire and get the
fuck out. Is it the pressure to be to make

(18:56):
sure they have a storyline, because I know that's very
important or everyone to make sure that they have a storyline. Yes,
and that didn't happen in the beginning. We were just living.
I didn't even know the words storyline until years later.
Ramona was always very savvy about words like storyline and
where the cameras were. Like for me, I just thought
I never really thought about where they already chime. They

(19:18):
always find their way over and they leave. But Ramona
would like go over and be talking about something and
want to grab the cameras. Where are the cameras? Where
the cat which is a great which is not surprising,
I'm sure, so I think it's storyline. It might be
some quid pro crow. You have a friend who was
a restaurant. You told them you'd showcase it. They're going
to give you something in return. Like everyone's work in

(19:40):
different angles at different times for reasons. They want to
show something. You want to show the tile guy because
the tile guy's going to redo your bathroom at a difference.
Like there's all these things that like you're not supposed
to have any deals with any of them, but everybody's
got fucking side reasons. So fascinates me. So basically, in
the first episode of Jen wanted to throw a part

(20:00):
because you want to show up her house, or yes,
she wants to show off her house, and she just
wanted to be a star. That's a rare breed. I
haven't really seen that. This is a show that I
didn't dip into either. I just great, it's the first
time you ever saw this, the first time I ever
saw it? Oh amazing. Okay, so listen. The first thing,
I think, We're at the first scene and the sun
is there, and I'm thinking, so Jen's in head to

(20:23):
toe Gucci, and I'm thinking, this woman is rolling like this.
Who's paying for it? This coach on whatever coach's salary,
in whatever this house is, whether it's made of a
cardboard and painted and white, I don't know, but it
seems like a big house with a nice kitchen. Who
the fuck is paying for this on a coach of salary?
That's the first thing I thought, Because this isn't the
TV show All American where Tay Diggs is in a

(20:46):
gorgeous house and his wife is paying for it. Who's
paying for this with this coach exactly? Well, I say
that to almost all of them, like how do so
many people have so much money. I'm like, I'm like,
I've been working a while, but I don't really have
this guy fucking money. It's like, you don't roll like that,
don't you. You don't roll like that, right, Like, I mean,

(21:08):
I roll fairly deep, but I don't like roll like that.
And I don't know, and especially with the coaches salary
like that, that math, that math isn't adding up. So
she's got the Porsche and the middle aged assistant. And
this is when you get a little gross when parents
are talking to their tweens about making out with girls.

(21:32):
How my daughter would never tolerate me, Like you're like,
never tolerate me, saying my son would never talk to
me again. He would never talk to me again. He'd
be like, you humility me for the rest of my life.
How old is your son? Wy right? But if when
he was thirteen and you said to him, have you
kissed a girl? He'd be like, and now he's under
pressure because he's on camera and he's not gonna start

(21:52):
having a fight with you. He'd kill you. Yeah, there's
no way we were doing our own reality show. We
did Donnie Loves Jenny for three seasons and then he
turned into a teenager and he said, we can't do
this anymore. I'm a teenager. This is not cool. So
we quit because he was the real reason. Because he
was the reason. He was the one who was like

(22:14):
you could see him like the last season he was like,
I ain't having this. I'm like, we're not gonna a
story of life where we're doing this for fun. Forget it.
So but that's when I saw Jen say that, I
was like, oh no, these kids are going to be scarred.
But now we know it's not just from her mouth,
it's from a lot of the actions that are okay.
So I've seen all vintage housewives as you already know,

(22:34):
like the Atlanta Is, the Jerseys, the New York, the
Orange County, and then I've watched one Potomac and I
got it. There's a show and it's like a different story.
This is definitely the most desperate of housewives I've seen group. Yes,
is this feels like blood in the water to me.
This group just like it feels like desperate. So that's

(22:55):
probably good. You know, Now we've got the girl is
Heather is the one who says so she what a
great way that they edit this, she said, and she
seems cool the blonde. She says, Mormon life is about
attaining perfection. Yes, what the hell does that? What does
that mean? You know? I thought about that for a
quick second and I was like, wow, but all the

(23:17):
botox in the world is not going to get you
into heaven faster. Like they're putting all their energy into
perfection the wrong way. I'm thinking she's thinking being a
good person, being nice when there anything. But I mean,
they're really the biggest contradictions. This is the Handmaid's Tale,
because perfection would mean that you're pious, you never curse,

(23:40):
you never swear, you never drink. Okay, fine, and that
also seems very high pressure. But then to take that
to a superficial the outside of you is perfect, like
that seems like hell in every direction. Well, I was
just surprised that all of them weren't kicked out of
the church. Now a few of them were excommunicated. That Whitney, Whitney,

(24:02):
the one who got married the renewing of the vows.
It's very obvious that Lisa, who I met years ago
with Sundance, It's very obvious that Lisa is on this

(24:22):
show thinking that she's up here and she's down there,
just like when you do a show. I remember this
because I remember Ramona being so shocked that Alex and
Simon were casting, that they were from Brooklyn. Brooklyn was
it was another country back then. Brooklyn now is cooler
and more expensive than New York, but back then and
back in my day, Brooklyn was another country. And Ramona

(24:43):
was horrified that Alex and Simon were cast. And that's
another brilliant, brilliant casting that because well, they didn't seem
to fit in. But that's the point. You don't want
everybody exactly the same. So it seems to be that
Lisa really doesn't feel that she should be on this
show because it's probably very elite and there's a certain
aliber and a certain amount of fur and Gucci cheese,

(25:04):
and she's the Queen of Sundance and she's the queen
of Sundance, and that Heather is not at the level.
And you know they're not seeing they're each an ingredient
in a cake that they don't get to see until
we see it come out of the oven. Wait, didn't
they see a picture of your face? In the episode,
there was a flash in the corner of the screen.
You're lying, No, I swear he wait, I go, there's

(25:24):
Bethany there like celebrities. Oh Sundance. You think it was
because I met her at that event? Yes, Oh my god,
we have the hand corner of the screen. I was like, oh,
you're into See how I didn't even see myself. I'm
so excited. Okay, wait, look at you. You're very observant, Jenny.
See what's so crazy is that we're talking about this
weird show and I've met you before and I'm learning

(25:45):
more about you through this show. Like, you're very observant.
Two good points. Wow, I didn't even notice myself, so clue. Okay, So, yes,
I met her there, and that's funny. I feel so
famous that I was. I had I had a cameo
on the Salt Lake and I'm right. I thought you
had some dirt on her. I was like, oh my god,
I met her years ago. I think she The truth is,

(26:06):
you know, I always like to say there was Sammy
Hagar before me and Diddy, But before me, there really
wasn't anybody like marketing and monetizing liquor. Celebrities put the
liquor down. You didn't market it, you didn't take pictures.
You're in this business, you're my witness. But back then
I think she was promoting it tequila, but long before
it was cool. I'm going to give her some props.
At Chef Dance, this event that I hosted just trying

(26:28):
to be somebody, do something, have my name on something,
trying to make a dollar at a fifteen cents. This
event where different celebrity chefs quote unquote celebrity chefs chefs.
Each night we'd host this dinner and I got to
like hobnob with celebrities, and she was there, and she
was I believe she had that tequila back then, so
she will correct me if I'm wrong. She was very nice,

(26:50):
she was hustling, and I remember her fondly. I don't
know much about her, but I remember liking her. And
it was like she had a little bar outside, I believe,
and in the main event, and like every night you'd
kind of I was the host, she had a little
bar outside. It was like this cast of characters in
this play for ten nights of Chef Dance. So I'd
see her and I had a very pleasant BTS experience

(27:12):
with her. Just from note from very surface, but like
she could have been a bitch too, she wasn't. She
was nice. It's all that I knew. Can I can
I ask you how much of um how much editing
is there where they can actually form someone to look
like a completely different personality from whom they are. Do
they have that much power to make someone look like
a bitch or a sweetie pie? Like? Can they can

(27:35):
they actually do that through editing and make it fair?
You know, it's a big They could. They're only using
ingredients that they were given. But if someone wanted to
edit me all harsh, they fully could and maybe have.
But I've never blamed editing. I think of it this way.
You go on a blind date. You meet somebody on

(27:56):
tin Tinder, and you go on a blind date. It's
an hour and half law they unless they have a
vendetta against this specific person, It's an hour and a
half long that date, that date, and you come home
and you tell your girlfriend. You can crystallize it in
three minutes what it was. So that's what good editors
and producers are really doing. They're crystallizing it. So I

(28:17):
met her, she was she was nice. I was also
in control of the event, and I was working with
the people who own the event, you know, the only event.
So for argument's sake, maybe she was nice to me
because of that, But I had a very positive, nice experience. Yeah, exactly,
So I had a nice experience with her. Who knows,
it could have been Jen Shaw in that room and
I would have had a good experience with her. I
don't know, but I just remember back and I was

(28:39):
a nobody then, and I remember people who treated me
like shit when I was a nobody, as you do too,
And so she was. She seemed like a cool, nice person,
and I just remember her hustling something like I was
hustling something. So that was really my only experience. So
so Meredith now is the one with the husband that
commented on her boots. And this really hit me because

(29:01):
the boots were just normal, nothing, nice, fine boots and
he was wearing a do your Logo backpack in the
same scene. How are you commenting on her normal ski boots?
She's like, He's like, well, those aren't exactly park City
and he's wearing ad your backpack. Explain this to me.
I think it's a little bit of a he's wanting
to poke the bear a little bit because we find

(29:23):
out later in the episode that he's not happy with
the marriage or what she's been talking about. So I
think it's a little bit of like er, you know,
kind of bleeds out if you're not addressing something. So
I think it was a little poke. That was his
best attempt at a poke, right, And what's what sense
do you get of why they moved being Jewish from

(29:46):
Chicago to Park City? Now he's got to be back
in Chicago, Like it just seems like an interesting move,
knowing where you're moving and what the general like, what
what did was that explained? I didn't understand why I
wasn't explained yet, So I don't know what's to come
because we both don't know what we're about to see.
That's why I was like his face humming a lot
from Chicago? Now, does he have a secret family there?

(30:09):
Like what's going on? So Lisa Barlow and her husband, Okay,
they take their kid through the drive their Wendy's and
she's just saying, I don't like to cook, we don't
have meals together. That seemed like a I don't even
understand celebrating that we never sit down at the table.
I don't want to cook, we go through the drive through.

(30:29):
Explain that to me. I almost thought it was an exaggeration.
I was like, is she just trying to create a
character for herself right now or is it true? Like
we've all gone through drive throughs and we've all been
busy once in a while. But I was like, can
this actually we truly not sit together if they're not
a family, and you're letting know that, I don't, I

(30:51):
don't know. I just thought just a something off the top.
I'm like, I'll have to fast forward some shows to
see if it's actually true or not. Also, once you've
painted yourself and this is the thing about let's talk
about like our own friends in Hollywood and all that stuff,
once you've painted yourself into the perfect corner, and I
think of that with Luanne Darling. You should never put
lipstick on the table because the minute you act like

(31:13):
you're this, you're a countess. So and we saw this
with Erica Jane. It's expensive to be me and it's
fifty thousand. You're up here. You've made you pinch yourself
into the rich corner. Now the Tom thing happens, tom
thing could have happened to many people, and the Luanne
things could have happened to many people. But when you
paint yourself into the etiquette or I'm so rich it's

(31:34):
so expensive to be me, that's when you have problems
like That's where Karna comes in really good with the show, though, Bethany,
because when people are so identified with themselves, with their
own identity, it's all that they literally created this thing
and they presented on this giant. You know, it's their
soap box. It's it's gonna come crashing back on them always, yes,

(31:59):
and well you think it's karma. I think it's karma
and also life like No, yes, I don't know anybody
who's been incarcerated for all these different things. I don't
know anybody like Luan who got arrested for like cursing
out a like I don't know, well, I know Luan,
but I think it's karma and it's also life. So
life gets in the meaning. But it's the corner you

(32:20):
paint yourself into, like you notice, it's so much more meaning.
I don't think Ellen, who I know, well, I don't
think that her problems would have been as great if
be kind to each other wasn't the last thing she said,
and it's a great message to say, be kind to
each other, regardless of what she's doing not to but
it's just sort of like something for people to hang onto.
So I'm hanging on to Lisa Barlow part of the

(32:44):
Mormon church, and it's to attain perfection. And you're now
saying you don't sit down at dinner with your kids
and you eat fast food and go through the drive through.
It's it's the previous comment is what defines the rest
of it. So you say you like junk food and
you're not great at sitting down with your kids. Okay,
but you've said you're a Mormon, So it's about attaining perfection, right,

(33:05):
So now I don't understand this juxtaposition. It's real Housewives
of contradictions. It truly is. Yes, And in the greatest
place you can find them is any first season of
the Housewives, because it's almost like going on a first date.
Do you ever notice people who they really are? Sometimes?
And yes, then you wind up seeing the true colors.

(33:27):
It's like I remember back like I am someone that
doesn't cheat on anybody, and like, oh, that means you
cheat on people like you know, it's like people do
wind up. It's like this life. That's why I call
it karma. It's like you can't escape um evolution, spiritual evolution,

(33:48):
no matter yes, something will come bite you in the ass.
And now do you think that people? Here's the thing
I used to think and I still sometimes think that
you could grab any five women in a mall and
put them together and you'd come up with something like this.
Do you really think, like, do you think everybody has
these dark circles and is do you think they know

(34:09):
that they're lying or they're trying to secret it to
be true? Like what is actually going on? I mean,
how do they what do you think? I love that
question so much because I'm one of those people that
love to peel onions and go deep down rabbits hole
and thinkings like that. You know, I don't think everybody

(34:31):
has those deep dark secrets and could unravel like that.
But everybody has a story. Everybody has pain. But it's
a matter of how you present it, how you deal
with it, who you take it out on, do you
work on it? And there's just some people that only
know how to project it. There's no self inquiry, so

(34:52):
it's just a matter of you know, the projectors and
the self inquiry people that know how to do the work.
So I think they're are two different groups of people
that they would make horrible housewives. People that do that
have done therapy and working on themselves started in today's
day and age. You know, like, would we really cast

(35:13):
someone on this Salt Lake City who was a peaceful,
kind person that did tons of work on themselves and
doesn't project No, no, but more than well yes, but no. Correct.
But I think it's being self aware. I think it's
so important for people to be self aware. And you know,

(35:36):
I had a conversation with Caroline Manzo a couple of
months ago about something and she talked about she said,
you know, and I don't know her very well, and
I don't know what the hell she's done on the show,
but I she said, we had a rough pandemic and
this happened, and it took a hit. We took a hit.
And it was like three sentences, but it was so
shocking because it was nothing that anybody would ever say,
just like to say we took a hit during the pandemic.

(36:00):
To be honest about what's actually going on. I mean,
and I was I think I was successful in the
house because I was like not buying diamonds and trying
to pretend I was rich because I wasn't rich. I
was in a cheap old kitchen trying to be something,
and I was just explaining in real time where I
was and what I was dealing with. Well, you were
one of us. You were the audience, you were one

(36:21):
of us. You know. I was being someone saying to me.
I'm saying, do you want to move in together? He's like,
we'll talk about it later, like in front of you guys.
Like I was exposed. So yeah, I wasn't like, let
me go shop for shit and pretend on something I
didn't even know to be that. And I don't know,
why can you name another housewife right now that is
self aware? Because I can't. I would say if I

(36:42):
had to, and I don't know all the shows, but
on this one, there certainly was. If I had to
put the most self aware of one, on this one,
it was the blonde who got mayor who had the
renewal of the vows. Do you think she's self aware?
Don't I think so? I don't. I don't know from
what she was comparing her and Heather, because Heather was
Heather was like saying her flaws and things, but it

(37:03):
seemed like a little put on, like doing it to say,
like I like black man, I like gay men, Like
we know where a camera there. The other girl was
like I cheated and I want to like get back
at those people that didn't like it, and like there
was something about her that just was like, this is
what went on and this is how I feel, and
I haven't seen. She could be off the show for
all I know. I'd like, I don't know either. I
have no idea. But that's that's actually a really good

(37:24):
one to point out, because you're right, she was honest
about it, but we, like I had no idea. She
could turn out to be the most evil and we
don't have to like her, but I at least think
she was honest. So I think that the I think
that maybe Candy is fairly self aware. Oh yeah, I
would say if I had to pick the most self aware,

(37:46):
because right, you may like someone more, but self aware
is different, you know, like like Caroline is honest, was
honest with me about taking a hit during the pandemic.
But I watched back some of her episodes and when
she's like taking over during the table flip and like
I'm the Dawn and you're gonna come kiss the ring
and go through like she was being a buff. I
didn't love that. That's not that self aware. She didn't really,

(38:07):
she was being like that. Candy is fairly self aware
and manages to deliver content and still somehow be in
control of herself and not in a self produced way
like she rides her time. But so that's why I
haven't seen it, and I haven't seen that one in
years either. But that's what I gather from that. Were
actually some really good names. But I will say about

(38:27):
the Salt Lake City ones, they haven't in that this
first episode. They haven't experience in Spain. Once you go
through the fame mill and you come back yourself, you
know that self aware could be gone because now you're
reading tweets. You're there, drank the shit, you drank the
kool aid. You drank kool aid, and now you're getting
bombarded with all these people. I don't like this that
you did this. I don't like this. They're like, oh,

(38:49):
now I need to hide my flaws or my demons
or my skeletons because or become who they want me
to be, and I'll become less authentic like and that's
the big rub two here, because you know, on this show,
these women they're trying to give the customer what the
customer wants. They've seen us watch Beverly Hills. They've seen

(39:10):
us see all the Ramez and the Gucci head to do.
They're trying to give the customer what the customer wants,
and then the customer will go back and be mad.
I mean, everybody complained about Mindy Kaling's weight. Now she
lost weight and they're on her about the ozempic and
did you do did you lose weight exactly how we
wanted you to or Hyle, we don't believe you that
it's working out it so it's a witch hunt because
we want you to do it the way we want

(39:31):
you to do. We want you to be rich, but
we don't want you to flaunt it like it's it's
it's so you go. That's the thing, Betty, I gotta
know this because that meeting that happens at the end
of each season, the dreaded meeting where people find out
if they're coming back as a friend or not at all?
A la la la la. Do people only have one
year contracts? Is that to keep people on their toes?

(39:52):
Is that to keep them hungry or despot I love? Okay,
So what happens is at the beginning of the season,
producers want to sit down with you and like talk
to you. What's going on, what's going with your kid,
what's going with your life, blah blah blah. And like
I said, in the very beginning of the process, you're
like throwing and I just Duranda jumps off the page.
Drenda always wanted it to be like her friend's restaurant.

(40:13):
Can we go here in my trip? And I know this?
And you get tired as you get older in it,
and like you don't care anymore. But so you sit
down and you're like, I think we should do this,
and I think we should do pottery, and I think
I want to go get my real estate license. So
you know, let's follow that. And what happens is they
say everything and the producers are yesing you. Then you
get into it and they've got five housewives, they've got
a certain number of days a week and one thread.

(40:37):
It's like a tree. It's like a tree, and it
could have branches to it, so I could say something
and we could do this one stupid thing that wasn't
supposed to be something. But if there's some lunatic that's
at that class, that's its own little tree branch that
will grow. And then someone over here is saying, but
wait a minute, why aren't you showing my charity. Then
you'll get into another fight because they shot it, but

(40:58):
then they did naar it. So next season you're mad
at them because they shot it just to fucking shut
you up, but then they didn't narrow it or you
aired two seconds of it, so that was people getting
a mad and then people think their producers being like
that was a great scene. I don't know why you
didn't focus more on that, you know. So it's like
there's a lot of wheeling and dealing, but once you
get onto the field and the game has started, it's

(41:21):
hard to stop them down. But we need you to
go over to do this thing. And they're like rolling
their eyes because they got fucking fish over here in
the boat. The fish over here. There's fish with this
Lisa Barlow fight with you know, Lisa Barlow thing with
Heather like that's where the fish went. So it's like
everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the face.
So at the end of the season, you shoot it.

(41:45):
It's on. Nothing is known until after the reunion is aired,
and then all the ratings are in, and then they'll
send everybody, in the most tortuous manner a pickup letter.
So someone didn't get the letter, they might get a
phone call that they didn't get the pickup letter. Then
they start with terminology, the stupid pause terminology. So then

(42:06):
you need to say that you left and all that,
and ninety eight percent were fired. Two percent have left.
I left, Denise Richards left, Carolin Manzo left. That's pretty
much the rest were fired. I asked Andy. At one point,
I said, you know, I feel like obviously each woman
has to, you know, make sure that they somewhat hit

(42:26):
it out of the park, at least have a storyline
or some substance. They can't just sit there like look
like a like an observer through the season. And if
you push, you know, to push buttons, you become kind
of a bad guy. You bring the drama, bring the drama.
But then you're damned if you do, and you're damned
if you don't, because you get killed in social media
for like bringing the drama. But then if you're boring,

(42:49):
you get killed for being born right. Like Lisa Wren
is a great example because she went in, she brought it,
she did it, she was the villain. It's really about
where the taste of the audience is. If they love
to hate you, like you're loving to hate Jnshaw right
now at this point in the series. If they love
to hate you, fine, If they love to love you, fine.

(43:11):
If they hate to hate you, bye bye. So the
audience ended up hating to hate Lisa Rinna is effectively
what seems like it happened, or hating to hate Ramot
like it makes you feel gross you hate something bad
when you're watching because you hate to hate, like loving
to hate it's like a guilty pleasure. It's dynasty. So
I feel like there's a psychology to it all. But

(43:31):
to your point, and to the distilling down and fear based,
you know, casting a group it doesn't know each other
because we have to check the box, Andy responded with,
it's a it's it's it's a fine line to walk.
He's right, Yeah, he's right, because he's a fine line
to walk exactly so doing showcasing a wedding, and first

(44:00):
season seemed very very desperate. I like an excommunication. I
mean it's I mean, to be excommunicated from the church,
and everybody here has some some tie to bring him yet,
like to the to the founders of the more im
in religion. How crazy is that? That girl, that blonde
girl is very attractive, and I'm trying to picture fourteen
years ago not to be like what that combo was

(44:21):
like at day off. She's a babe. Now she's a babe,
and she's got a stripper pole, and she looks a
little bit like you to me, like she I was like,
this is funny. This is the one who looks the
most like genuine. She's really pretty and like blonde and
perky and like the blue eyes, and like I was
into her, and she's got the stripper pole. I liked her. Yeah,
who my friend? Who would you be friends with if

(44:41):
you had to be friends, if you were forced to
be friends in this group, they were the only women alive,
I would say her. But I don't think we have
a ton in colm with her personality. I don't think so.
So probably Lisa, and maybe that's because I met her
before and I haven't seen her. I think she becomes
a disaster in many ways. I don't know, but probably
Lisa because there's too much being hidden from the wife
with the husband who's out of town, and that's just

(45:02):
not going to work for me. I don't like any
I'd rather messy than like. Not true, that's true. So
the blonde who looks more like you, the pretty blonde
or Lisa, I thank you. Um. I would probably say
the pretty blonde because she doesn't seem explosive. I'm not.
I don't really being around. I'm an Irish Catholic family

(45:23):
of so many alcoholics in my family that gives me,
you know, triggers. You're like, oh, it's like I can't
do that. So she seemed like she'd be a little peaceful,
but you know, she could turn into the Exorcist by
episode you know four. I don't know yet exactly. I
don't know either. We're speaking. People are gonna be like
you doubt two dumb dumbs. We don't even know exactly.
Oh so now let's get to heart. This is where

(45:45):
it's full BTS fakeness. So Whitney sits down with this
other girl. So Mary Cosby's married to the grandpa. I
don't understand. I don't even understand it. You can explain
it to me and I won't be able to understand.
I don't understand she wound up marrying her great to
keep the church in the family. I don't know, but
I want. I think the producers in the casting deserve

(46:06):
and award. I think they're this is unbelievable that you've
found people like this, Like this is really award winning casting.
So this woman is somehow married to her step grandpa.
Does that even count? I don't know. Does that count?
Like I don't understand. I don't really understand it, but
it feels its incestuous to me on me too. But
is it? Is it legal? Or is this like different

(46:26):
like Mormon law? I don't I don't know. So she
seems fucking nuts. She seems nuts. Now do you think
that this money is real? With the Valentino and with
this stuff and the sharing in the closet with the
gen Shaw, do you think this is real? No? Because
I think when people are that obnoxious about it, it's

(46:46):
it's sus to me. I go, okay, okay, This is
where it's fake, where she's going to go to the
party and Jen Shaw is gonna invite her at a house.
It was a good lie that she's saying because the
girl whose birthday it was wanted her there. That feels
like a lie. But you see that the producers have
been texting the girl at the table to be like, no,
you have to invite her, you have to invite her,

(47:06):
and like, did you get a text? It's so embarrassing,
Like Mary Cosby was sitting there and the producer should
have said, like, just look at your phone, and then
the girl comes back and it's there. It's just too
fake to look at your text. Did you get a text?
I know, I even I saw that. I was like, oh,
you could tell the producers are texting her right now.
But I will see. I will give Mary the goat

(47:28):
line of all lines, which is you smell like a hospital.
Oh my god, we're going yeah, okay. And she just
basically hot her whole thing in her life. She did
not paint herself into the perfect corner. It's the only
thing I'll say, she said. I say whatever the fuck
is on my mind. Everyone else says it about me,
So you know, but it still leaves a mark. So
she says, so she and Jen are fake friends. Obviously

(47:52):
you could tell they're casting a show. They've become friends
or in each other's closets, and a fight already ensues
by the time this cake is baked. It feels like
there was a pile it shot and totally it feels
like there's a mixture of like old and new scenes
that don't track that are part of like when they're
deciding if this is going to be a sold show.
It feels like a mixed weird Hodgepodge potlock supper of

(48:12):
shooting our scenes. They stotch taped a scene from the
pilot into this, thank you. It feels like right, So
she became friends with Jen. They're already fighting, thank god.
And I just want to say that Jen's like, it's
Jen Shaw, it's the shah. Shelle, just call it the shale.
Have the marketing be called the fucking Shala and say

(48:34):
it right, it's the gen shot, It's the Shaw shell shale.
Lose it the syllable so stupid like sal. So, anyway,
we're at the shale, and um, she said, she smells
like hospital. I kind of I kind of understand that
being a sentence if someone might say it's a very distinct,
very distinct, it is. I I went, I understand what

(48:58):
she's saying. Now, is it right? Say no? Not necessarily?
Is it hilarious? Fuck? Yeah? But um when she says
was like a hospital, like I know exactly what she's
talking about, Like it's oh my god, it's the perfect description.
But then she doubles down with what she says when
she finds out that Jen was like, I just had
an aunt that had her legs cut off. And then

(49:21):
she goes on to say, well, it's not my fault
that she doesn't eat healthy. Oh no, when she was
in the interview and she went on to no fucking
he Jen, Jen has a fucking turtle like her rthy.
She did trip. She didn't double down, she quad dripple down.
She was just like, I mean, like you said anything,
someone lost her legs And she's like, wow, she mustn't
have eaten healthy. Go eating fruit? Like what that has

(49:44):
Stop eating bad? She's like eating bad? That's an evil part,
Like that you're evil? That just went evil? Like she
made Jen Shaw look right totally, this is crazy. She
just said, well, it's not my fault. She like she's
tripling down. She went deep on it. It's that's a
person though. I bet you she's not around anymore. That's
I hate to hate like she's going on the hate
to hate road. Even jen Shaw is on the love

(50:06):
to hate road. This girl right now is on the hate.
It doesn't seem like it's going that great to me.
That's right asking for a friend. Um, so, what the
fuck would make jen Shaw have a party and even
pretended it's for somebody else. It was so offensive to
under the guise of it being for somebody else. How embarrassing.

(50:26):
I think I think that was on purpose. I think
she was like, oh, they're gonna love to gossip about this.
That's the only thing I could think of. It had
to be a conscious decision to go, all right, people
are gonna like love to hate me that I threw
this party for my friend, but I have my name
on the entrance, you know. I think I think it
was a little on purpose. I don't think she was.

(50:48):
She could be that dumb. But or did the train
leave a station? The producers are talking about we want
to have a party for Meredith's birthdays coming up what
should we do. Maybe Meredith is nuts like me and
doesn't want to bomb her own house. Maybe Jen Shaw
is living in a house of cards anyway, So she's like,
I lie to my husband like I lie to other people,
and I'm gonna i want to be the center of attention,

(51:10):
so I'll throw this party. And then the train left
the station and she's got and who said it though, like, um,
I'm not sure that she's a she's she's she's kind
of conservative. I don't think she's gonna want these like
Chippendale strippers at a party. And Jen was just like,
I don't care. It was definitely right, Like she's being
marketed to be the classy one, Meredith, right, Like she's

(51:33):
marketed to be the you know what I'm saying. But
her husband's got a your backpack, she has a gay son,
and she's the conservative one, like I don't know where
these fake labels come from. I don't know. And she
wears a giant pink feather like Maleficent outfit. Right, they

(51:53):
all just look like lost, little twelve year old girls
on the playground that would that would normally never talk
to each other. Have you ever gone to the mecal,
I have not have you now? Okay, but does this
she kept calling this, why, yes of salt? Like what
with white sheets taped to the ceiling? I mean, I mean,

(52:16):
I go, wait a minute, she's moving the furniture out
for white sheets on the wall. Like that's where I
don't get some of these things. No, me too, right?
What the white Yeah, that's a great pause. And now
if you watch the party, it's white sheets and a
dumb little couch. There's like they're not even like lit.
There's there's nothing except just white. We don't want to

(52:37):
see the brown walls. We want white sheets, right. And
so she had a traumatic eight odor gland removing surgeries,
which made it very traumatic to go back and think
about because it reminds her when she smells this other
person's hospital like that. Wait didn't she Did she say

(52:58):
she died too? Did she say she good? They had
to bring me back? Yes? Right, yes, yes, Sometimes I
just want to look at you my notebook because I
have this notebook and the last thing that I wrote,
whether the last thing that I wrote, and I can't wait.
They're gonna go fucking crazy. The last thing I wrote
was vile people That's what I wrote. She just said

(53:21):
about an amputee that she had to go get her
glands removed and and eat more of whatever, And I
wrote vile people like I don't know how this show survived.
I don't I don't know. All right, we're getting the
producers on. What did we ask you in the beginning?
Jenny wanted in the beginning to know something. Do you
want to know about the Mormon rules? Okay, let's go

(53:42):
give us the Mormon rules? Okay? No alcohol, no alcohol,
no tobacco, no tobacco, no coffee or tea? What the fuck? Okay? Like,
what are these arbitraryials? No coffee or tea? What okay?
But botox is okay? Coffee is bad, but botox is okay.
This is such a sick, fucking crazy go ahead. No drugs,

(54:06):
no drugs, okay, No sex before marriage, sex before marriage.
I would not make it on this series. Yeah, you've
got fired two six rules ago. Okay? How how are
any of them even a Mormon still on the show?
Are Are they any of them still? Right? Is anybody
still a true, tried and true Mormon? That or no?
Lisa Barlow who used to be Jewish but now is Mormon. Wait,

(54:29):
but she has an alcohol line, so she doesn't drink it.
She's saying she's peddling. She doesn't get high on her own,
supplies that with the guys. Is she drinks it and
claims she's just Mormon? Two point zero? Ah, that's a scam.
Two point Oh okay. Who's still on the show today?
Lisa Barlow? Okay, the they're gay? Okay? Meredith Marks Whitney,

(54:54):
who you like? Yep? Jenshaw obviously not okay? And Mary
left the show, but she's filming for the new season coming.
Who won the episode? To you? And who lost? Oh? God?
Who won? Yeah? Good? I think Whitney and Heather one
from me. Whitney was honest about her situation. She's she's

(55:16):
the one who is still together with the guy, which
in most lifetimes would never happen. So she won and
she should go reapply to Mormonism if she wants to.
And I think I think Jen lost. Yeah. I don't
think Jen was likable. And I met her. I told
you I don't think she was likable. I don't want
I think she was. I think she was. She is obnoxious,
but I think she was trying too hard, and it

(55:37):
just didn't. She could have been funny with it and
did fifty percent and I would have liked her, but
she just did too much. All right, let's let's talk
about the masks. Singer. Um, I think you're great. I
think you're great. I think it's great. I think like
it's larger than life, Isn't it like Fox's number one

(55:57):
primetime show. It's like a major fucking show. It's it's
done very well. I'm so freaking grateful obviously to have
work in this business at any point, but still a
major work. It took a major show and you're a
major part of it. They asked me to do it,
and I took a couple of the lessons, but being
in a mask didn't seem like the best use for me.

(56:18):
And going back and forth to La and years ago
I did Dancing with the Stars, and it's just like
sometimes say yes to something and it's going to grind
your body. Oh, I would have loved it. If you
were on, I would have loved it. But but you
love it? And how many seasons have you been doing it?
We're on. We did season nine seasons already. Did you
think it was going to be a joke. The first
you won the first season, I was I was when
my agent first called, He's like, I'm turning this down,

(56:39):
and I was like, no, this actually checks boxes being
weird celebrity also like a who is it kind of
a thing. I go, I think this might work, and
then I didn't know he turned it down behind my back.
But then they came back and he's like, ah, you
made another offer. So then I was like, let me
do what. I kind of dig it and it worked. Amazing.
What you're doing great, and I'm you should be grateful

(57:00):
with the crazy career that you've had from New Year's
Eve with Ryan Seacrest to The View to The View
to the View to being like known as a sex
symbol only and now being married to someone who's also
interesting and being funny, and like, You've had many lives
and they've all been good and they've evolved, your successful
radio show like you you Don't Stop You Hustle. I

(57:22):
definitely do. You know it's the single mom worries inside
of me when I was single and had to raise Evan,
you know, with all of his issues, it was just
kind of like I need to stay afloat and then
I need to be here as long as possible for him. Jenny,
we may have to do this again. I mean, I
found this to me. I'm talking to you. I can't
tell you so thank you. The best time ever. Will

(57:44):
you please come back another time? Like there's let's do it.
It's like liberating and it's just like dynamics. I don't know.
I love just these people. This is insane, all right.
I love you, I always have like you. I love
you too. I love you. I respect the hell out
of you. Bethany. Likewise, thank you so much for doing this.
I'm so excited. H