Bethenny on Douchella, Bad Vegan and Facing Recent Criticism

Bethenny opens up about her second bout with COVID and its surprising silver lining. 

Bethenny also acknowledges recent criticism that she hasn’t been supportive of all women. She’s not denying it but wait for her explanation before you judge.

Plus, B gives her polarizing opinions on Coachella (AKA Douchella), Bad Vegan on Netflix and plastic surgery. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Let's talk about Douchella. Okay, So there are these events
that come and certain people self involved people. I think
that it's the only thing going on in the world. Now,
let me tell you something. Coachella is probably wonderful. I've
been to I went to Lallapalooza years ago and I

(00:33):
had v I P tickets and I saw good bands
and I had a great time. And so I'm sure
Coachella is amazing. The music that the origin of what
it is and what it's supposed to be. Uh, Sun
Dance when it started it was really amazing. It was
a film festival. It became you know, douche Dance years
later when it was just a hawking product festival and

(00:55):
people didn't even realize that there were movies there. So
things just do devolved, which we'll get into in a second. Um,
it's fashion week, it's fashally, it's not the thing. Obviously,
the fashion is amazing. I'm as you know, Anna Wintour
pointed out in the devilwas product or the Meryl Streep character. Uh,
you know, it has everything to do with me, even
if I bought it at t J Max. As it

(01:18):
turns out, my pants were cheapos, twenty dollar cheapos and
my sweaters Isabel Marant. So I've got a high lo
vibe going on today and it all has to do
with us. And we all do appreciate fashion because we
buy clothes. So fashion week is great and it's a
place for artists slash designers to showcase their wares. But
it becomes douche when the like people that it has

(01:40):
nothing to do with are there and do it fashion week.
They're so busy, it's it's not I mean, I know
Fernando Garcia, he works some he runs, he's the head
designer at oscar To Lorenta. He doesn't like, oh my god,
it's I mean, he might say it's fashion week, but
it's actually fashion week for him. Like when he says that,
I'm not like oh god, I'm like, oh my god.
He's literally really busy. Uh. But when people who it

(02:02):
has nothing to do with, well, I mean, of course
I'm so busy. It's fashion week. You mean, for all
the events that you're electing to go to, even though
you're not in the fashion business, just because you want
to be, like, make fashion week the most important thing
to you. What's the thing our Bossile. Well it's Bossle. Oh,
that's you know the Douche. The Douche Art Festival in Miami,
which by the way, is not where people that are

(02:24):
real art collectors now go to find things. It's a
good schmooze fest for them. But evidently these billionaires that
have major art collections know what everything already is before
they go there. But listen, it's amazing for people mere mortals.
I've been once to go walk through and see what's
going on. But these things become these other things, and
it's like a self involved vibe where everybody's just saying like, well,

(02:47):
it's bussle, it's music, it's it becomes this sort of
narcissistic thing that everybody else is listening to as if
it's the only thing going on. So no, I'm not
jealous because I can go to our bozz or you know,
super Bowl or anything. In fact, my fiance's very close
friends are in the sports team business, and we get

(03:10):
invited to all these different things when they're in the
you know, the final of that sport. Okay, whatever that
sport is. I know owners of many teams. We choose
to stay home and eat you know, wings and hang
out with my daughter e pizza. We don't choose to
go um because we feel like it's posy and we'd

(03:31):
rather just support from a distance in many cases. So
UM not to say that I'll never show up at
a major sporting event in my life, although I did
go to Super Bowl with my ex who is a
big time photographer, and we would be on the field,
and I didn't go. I stayed. We were in Miami
for the Super Bowl and it was I think it
was the year that Reggie Bush was in with the
Saints um and they won, and I was in the

(03:54):
nearby hotel because I was like, that's so crazy. I
don't want to go too hectics, so I don't go
to a lot of things. So I'm doing all that.
I've devolved this conversation to talk about Revolve Fest, which
I thought was Coachell. I thought that it was like
a sponsored part of Coachella. So maybe it's some like
satellite event that Revolved puts on at the same time

(04:16):
as Coachella is going on to sort of maximize that
area of the world that everybody's going to. So there's
all this stuff going on in social media about Revolve
festival being like the fire Fest, which it doesn't sound
like it is, because first of all, model influencers would
be thrilled with a piece of bread and cheese sandwich
because it's something they're not going to eat anyway. So

(04:37):
I don't think that the piece of bread and cheese
would be a problem for them. Okay, Firefest it was
a problem, So I think that that's a disparity. And
also they weren't stranded on an island. It revolved for
those of you who don't know, it's all these influencers
that when and apparently we're feeling like they weren't treated
right because people don't know who they are because they
have millions of followers, which translates to them being sort

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of TikTok or Instagram famous, really TikTok famous. But that's
this pocket that maybe not everybody else knows. So someone
may have ten times the followers of j Lo on TikTok,
but when there's a security guy at a music festival,
he doesn't he knows who j Loo is, but he
doesn't know who you know. Morty Schmeckelman, the the the

(05:20):
aficionado on all bagel toppings in the world, he doesn't
know who that fucking guy is. Who's you know, wearing
floral curated dresses from stylists and their fit check and
being snatched for fucking Revolve Fest. So there's a disparity
in the fame and the treatment of and so I
posted about the plight of the underprivileged influencer who's just

(05:44):
not getting what they need. And it's a charity that's important,
it's an effort that needs to be discussed. And the
underprivileged influencer is a person too, And I posted about
these people that are saying that like they would treat
did poorly. It was terrible that, you know, earlier that day.
I mean you saw on your feed every day like

(06:05):
this is the fit check, and some of the girls
were cute I liked. I mean not every person who's
dressing in like flower little Borettes is not as an asshole.
Obviously I like watching a lot of them, But it's
the people that are taking it so seriously in every
inch of the fashion and well the eyelashes of Balenciaga,
my boobs are dr Diamond, my shoe like, okay, we're

(06:27):
with the fit check. We're fucking good. We got it.
You look cute, you got like Coachella chic. We got it,
but like the whole thing, you know what I mean,
My vagina was the jazzled by the Jazzler of Beverly
Hills were like, Okay, we get it. Your vagina will
be seen, and we know it's important, but we're we're
to be so fucking invested in this ship. So these
people are so on another planet and so obsessed with

(06:49):
themselves that it's crazy. And I guess other people are
calling it out, and I just thought it was funny
that people were saying that, you know, they weren't treated
right and it was a ship show. But then they
transitioned you uh or back day four. I don't know
how long it goes, but they're going back for the
next snatched fit. Check your you know you're snatch will
be checked. Okay, your snatch will be in check by

(07:13):
the time you go out to this fucking thing. Your
snatches fit to go to Coachella, to Revolve Fest to
whatever this whole ship show is. So anyway, that got
I mean, I didn't get a lot of flak everybody
who A lot of people really liked what I said,
but some of the influencers I think. Um, of course
I had an opinion on Ducella and devolved fest and

(07:35):
of course I feel terrible for the underprivileged influencer hashtag
underprivileged influencer. Creator. People are creators and people are influencers.
So some people are just creating. But does that mean

(07:55):
they're not influencing anyone? If you're influencing, it means you're
moving product. I guess you're fucking moving product. But if
you're creating, maybe you're moving you're moving content. But I
think in order to be an influencer, you have to
be creating. And then the problem is I have more
followers on TikTok than many of the influencers. But I'm

(08:16):
not an influencer. What am I? I'm not a creator
or an influencer. I'm just a ranter. I'm just a
TikTok ranter. Uh. And so some of the people in
the comments in my comments, you're not supporting women. I'd
like to have a discussion about supporting women. Okay, First
of all, can't we say supporting people like now, just

(08:37):
because I have a vagina and breasts and was born
a woman, I have to support and like every other
fucking person with a vagina and breasts that was born
a woman. I don't support women. Why because I think
some people are fucking morons, Like I don't support some
men neither. There are women I don't support. There are
men I don't support. There are women, children, dog cats

(09:00):
that I do support. I don't support all anything because
I'm not a fucking weirdo robot you don't support. Shut
the funk up with everybody who saying you don't support
women to anybody anyway. Somebody doesn't like a girl doesn't
like with enough. A girl's wearing a dress with her
vagina showing and her tampon string is longer than her dress.
I'm supposed to support that. I have a fucking eleven

(09:22):
year old daughter. I don't support that woman. I'm allowed
to not support that woman. A girl is a trash
can who fucking sleeps with her best friend's boyfriend. I
don't support that woman. A girl lays on her back
and is a goddamn gold digger who is superficial and
hasn't contributed or made use of her life in any

(09:43):
particular charitable way or anything that adds to the universe,
and it's just withdrawing on the a T M of life.
I don't support that woman. A man who's a nice man,
who's a good person, I support that man. A man
who fucking grabbed the ass of his assistant in an office.
I don't support that man. Okay, So let's fucking stop

(10:04):
with the black and the white of supporting women. There
are many women I support, and just by the sheer
nature of what I've accomplished and and what I've done
uh speaking to women and trying to empower women, and
the and the groundworks that I've laid in many male industries,
I support women. I just don't support all women. And

(10:27):
there are many women that I don't support, So cancel me. Yeah,
you don't have to support every woman, Okay. Not every
woman is great, not all women are created equal. Some
women are pieces of shit and other women are good people.
So therefore I don't support the pieces of shit. If

(10:49):
that's not gonna be okay, change the channel. Okay. But
if you care what I think at all, and you
probably don't, I'm giving you license to not support assholes.
Douche baggery is not supported unless for the purpose of humor. Okay.

(11:21):
So I watched the Anatomy of a Scandal on Netflix,
and Sienna Miller, who I think is beautiful, is in it.
It's interesting about Sienna Miller. Sometimes I confuse her with
the woman who was married to to to Do. She
was married to ju La, the woman who was married
to Ray Donovan. Um, who's Ray Donovan. Let's start with that.

(11:44):
My assistant just said, it's a TV show character. I'm
well aware of that. Thank you, Annie, my sarcastic assistant.
We know it's a Mickey mouse isn't is not an
actual mouse, It's a it's a it's an animated character.
Thanks Annie for that commentary and shade at this time.
Naomi Wats okay. So Naomi Wats is a really pretty
blonde woman, natural, and I get her confused with Sienna

(12:04):
Miller because there's that type of blonde that's like really
sort of pretty and natural. Probably compete for the same rules,
but I don't like remember exactly what they look like.
So Sienna Miller, every time I see her, I'm like,
she's so pretty, but I couldn't pick her out. If
she was at my supermarket, I would not know that
it was Sienna Miller. I would just think it was
a pretty natural blonde woman. So what's interesting about Sienna
Miller is that in watching her in Anatomy of a Scandal,

(12:26):
which we can get into separately, Um, she's obviously had
plastic surgery because she looks different, but she still looks
so pretty. Like that's the plastic surgery I would like
to have when I have plastic surgery. Like some people
look too like very good, but it's like too good.
They look good and you can't see anything, but they

(12:48):
look older. And Sienna Miller probably still looks the same
age that she probably like is, but she's had something
done and she looks different, but like not like Jennifer
Gray when she had plastic surgery. Different now when you're
like whoa Naomi, Now, I mean, what the hell is
wrong with me today? Kidman Nicole Kidman where it's like

(13:10):
jarring like or or or uh meg Ryan, where it's
the shocking, like this is a good this is plastic
surgery that I can get behind, because she looks like
she's had a plastic surgery, but like not freak zoid,
just a little different and she still looks pretty. So
when I do plastic surgery, I'd like to go to
whoever Seana Miller's person was, because it's like some trickery.

(13:33):
It's just like still pretty, but like a little off,
but like you're not gonna look the same, just like
people will say, wow, the way you're aging, I hate
to I'm sorry to report I'm not actually Benjamin Button.
I am aging. So have you've been watching me on
television since I'm thirty seven, It's gonna be a little frightening.
It's just the way it is because, particularly because I
post without make a bud and also on TikTok, I

(13:57):
didn't know everybody's using a filter? Am I using a filter?
I'm just talking like a normal person. I'm like that
person that's still that's like Fred Flintstone with my legs
as the tires of the car, not realizing that everybody
else is like has the wheels because everyone's like, you
dumb bitch, we're filtering all of this. And you know
we talked about this before, but I mean, I'll go
down as the last one. But guess why you see
me in a restaurant, You're gonna know what I fucking

(14:18):
look like because I've seen these people and they don't
even look like their goddamn neighbor. You want to see
somebody on Instagram or TikTok and then see them in
real life, you'll be shocked. I'm saying it again because
I've been talking about beauty and what's a scam and
what's not, and I need you to know it's okay

(14:39):
to look natural. I just need you to know it's
okay to just do makeup for what it was originally
intended to do, which is just accentuate and and hide
some of your flaws. You don't need to look like
a rainbow i eyelid, circus clown to just go out
every day. You don't need to contour your face. If

(15:00):
you don't need to contour your face. You don't need
to contour your face like if your face if you
have a clown knows, okay contour. I guess maybe you
don't want to clown knows if you have jowls that
are like a fucking rott Wiler, figure out a way
to contour. But everything doesn't need to be tricked out.
Everybody's face does not need to have brown lines in

(15:22):
every direction like a goddamn road map of the United
States to contour because we all think Oh, this is
the contour step. I gotta contour. Everybody doesn't need to contour.
Everyone didn't need to highlight if you have a fehead
besides of Pittsburgh, you don't need to highlight certain portions
of that. And I know that's where the contour comes in.
I get it. I'm just saying, it's just like, it's okay,

(15:43):
we need to I need to contour. A contour vention.
There needs to be a contour vention. Everybody doesn't need
to contour their whole life. It's again back to the filtering.
We're contouring and we're contouring too much. Too much contouring
going on, but not everybody needs to contour themselves within
an inch of the are like, it's okay to look
like what we look like? Is it not okay to

(16:04):
look like what we look like? Divorce kids work the program.
I was just talking to someone about this. Oh, someone
who works in my house was saying that their family,
they have a family member and that's going through divorce
and the kid's just has an attitude now and it's
a little spoiled because they work that system. You can't

(16:28):
fall prey to the divorce kid that works the system. Okay,
here's the system. Parents are separated, they're getting divorce. And
I know very people, very close to my life who've
who've who've dealt with this exact thing and handled it wrong.
And I don't know. There's no perfect parent, there's no
perfect kid. But this is black and white. You're separated,
you feel guilty, You're worried the kid's going to prefer
the other parent. A B. You're worried just because of

(16:54):
the trauma and the stress. And you want to throw
money at the problem, or candy at the problem, or
TV and games at the problem, or toys at the problem,
or indulgence is in some regard and devices at the problem.
It doesn't work. It's a bad fucking plan. You create
a monster. Okay, you create a monster kids going through

(17:14):
the problems of a divorce or going to go through
the problems of a divorce. More indulgence is not going
to reduce that. It's not going to change it. It's
just going to displace that. So it's just a very
easy thing for people to do. In the meantime, just
buy a lot of the dolls in the presence, etcetera.
So they favor you. Guess what they won't favor you either,
they won't respect you. I'll never forget my daughter when

(17:35):
she went over to this kid's house and I said,
who's the most favorite of your friend's moms? And I
said who's the least favorite? And she said, x mom
is the least favorite. And I said why and she
said because she over indulges her kid for kids a
tangent which just hands or whatever she wants. And I
thought that was amazing because kids, and she was young.
Then kids are aware of the whole program, and they

(17:56):
don't respect parents that just are trying to buy their kids.
They don't my daughter, I didn't my school to school,
there's like a portally you have to go into to
get the the report card and I didn't get it
and I didn't know why it wasn't sent to me directly.
And my daughter will be hurt not that, like I
didn't buy her in a toys and candy that I

(18:17):
didn't see the report card on time like that. That's
that's how you know you're on the right path. But
do not. These kids are working the system, they're working
the program. Of course they're not going to control themselves.
They're gonna take whatever they can get and they're gonna
try to get it on both sides, and they're gonna
say to you, I don't have this thing. They're gonna
say to the other parents, I don't have that thing.
To try to work it all out and get it
all So just don't believe that hype and understand that

(18:42):
you're being played. Getting COVID sucks, but I want you
to know that you can turn it into a positive.
And I know people say pivot and pivot, and we pivoted,
but I mean even on the short term. I had
COVID a couple of weeks ago, and I took it
as an opportunity to really just go through everything and

(19:06):
in my house, really cook a lot of recipes like
people have been and that's obvious, but going through so
many things, going through old photographs, going through expired sunscreen,
going through beach towels, like, really, you can get your
home tight and right. But more importantly business. I was
home and I said to I used the time wisely

(19:26):
and it took work on my part. I said to
my assistant, now we're going to create these systems. Let's
create all these systems for business systems, and you can
you have your own systems you need. It could be
literally for kids, activities, calendar, carpool, p t A. It
could be for your own work. It could be for
whatever you wanted to be. But for me, it was okay,
when I go to a photo shoot, where's the list,

(19:47):
a laminated sheet for everything that I need? Where's the checklist?
If I'm traveling, where's the checklist? And you should do
this for everything you need. Did you pack sunscreen? Did
you pack a charge or did you pack your portable
blow dry thing? Did you have your toiletries, did you
pack fuzzy socks for the plane? Whatever it is you need.
You can use this time any time that you're down,

(20:07):
that you're sick, that you're depressed, whatever it is when
you're home alone, to create these systems. My dogs, one
of them needs medicine. So sometimes when the dogs traveling
back and forth are going with someone else, or with Paul,
or with a housekeeper or with the dog watcher, as
a laminated sheet that just says this is how much
medicine Smalls gets, you know, and it's together in a

(20:30):
little zip bock bag. It's organized. The point is you
can really take this time or any downtime to create
systems that will if I said to my assistant, I'm
teaching you how to fish, not just handing you the fish,
meaning I also don't want to go every time I'm
going away, do we pack this? And we packed that
I wanted on a sheet? When is laundry done? When
are windows done in your house? Is it twice a year?

(20:52):
When do we have carpet steam? Do you do that
once a year? When are you gonna, you know, shake
out the rugs? It could be anything, but I'm big
on these systems. Oh, let's go through all the expired
food in the cabinet, or let's take all the food
and put it into two containers and label them. Would
be those organized people like you really can use this
downtime to your advantage. So don't get stuck when something

(21:15):
goes wrong. Let it propel you into something, into something good.
I've had I've had COVID twice. The first time I
had COVID was the worst experience of my life. I've
had pneumonia in my life. I've had a hundred and
five I've gone to the hospital aside from almost dying
from anaplat going into anaphylactic shock. The first time I

(21:35):
had COVID. It was a monster that gripped its hand
and pulled your head under. Every time you thought you
were getting a gasp of there, like the end of
a horror film. It was a nightmare. The chills, the shivering,
the teeth chatter and the teeth chipping, the excruciating headaches,
the body pain, the dehydrat it was a nightmare. The
second time I had COVID, I could function. I could function,

(21:58):
I had been tripled backs, I could do all these things.
I felt not. I kept saying I can't. I don't
want to work. I'm not going anywhere. But I'm a five.
Like at ten is you're dying, A zero is you're
just prancing. I was a five. First time, it was
a ten. Nichol was my only friend. It doesn't work
every night. I had to because, like, after I use

(22:20):
it a couple of nights, it won't work. So I
had to just like rash in it and use it
on some nights. Sleep was my only friend. I didn't
get it every night. It was a fucking ship show.
My heating blanket and sleep are my only friends. So

(22:44):
I want to talk about natural food, being vegan, raw food,
All this stuff, cleansing, all of this. So years ago,
I lived in Chicago, and I have been allergic to fish,
so I don't want to go to regular colinary school
and have a whole section on fish. And I've always
been interested in health, and I've always been interested in
food and cooking. So I found a school in New

(23:07):
York for Food and healing. This was two thousand. This
was twenty two years ago. So I was a natural
food chef before it was cool, before it was plant based,
before it was all these other names, before local and seasonal,
before all of the ship. I was a natural food chef.
I was paid for it. I worked for it. I
worked for nutritionists and cooked meals for them. I was

(23:29):
that all healthy meals, low calorie meals, low fat meals,
alternative meals, people with food intolerances, all that stuff. So
I also a raw for almost a year, mostly raw.
Going to school for Food and Healing leads you into
that world of vegan and gluten free and celiac and

(23:52):
what all these things meet and food intolerances. And that
was long before it was cool too. There was no
impossible meat, there was no beyond burger. There wasn't tofu
sold everywhere. You know, oh milk, I'm in Macadamium milk.
Every fucking milk in the world was not around. Nobody
had almond milk. No one that soyed milk was the
only one, and that was just not that common. Okay,

(24:14):
so this is before all of this. I and raw food,
which still now weird too many people. That was alien then.
But I learned about eating raw, which is eating under
a food under a certain temperature, not meat. It's vegetarian completely,
but it means that after you cook food a certain temperature,
it loses all of its being alive, and that's what
keeps you alive, and your eyes are brighter. And it's

(24:36):
this whole world. People are dehydrating food in these big
contraptions at under a hundred and something degrees and it
takes four hours to make a sprouted pizza. People using
dates to make desserts. Like it gets really crazy. I
could go on and on for days, but like it
gets really crazy because things that you don't even realize
are cooked are cooked. Meaning let me give you an example.

(25:00):
You can't have you can't I don't know if it's
about the cooked you can't have, like seaweed, toast sheets
of seaweed. Some are toasted that's not raw nuts. Raw
nuts are not like shiny and salty and roasted. They're
like raw, so they're more blanched and they're just not
as fun as like roast crispy nuts. So a lot

(25:21):
of things to be raw. It's really extreme in one direction. Okay,
So there's a world. Anytime you have these extreme ways
of eating, there are these worlds. So there's this world
of raw food. And Juliano is this guy that I
met through this whole world, and he was famous in it.

(25:41):
He was like this crazy chef with long blonde hair
and he only ate ron, he only cooked rad. He's
like a cult leader in that world. And it's just
like in Bickram yoga how Burn Baptiste was like a
cult leader in that world. Any extreme thing, extreme heat
in the yoga, extreme eating is a world. So when
the off food world, Juliana was a big deal. This

(26:02):
woman Karen in Chicago that I learned for from, she
was a big deal. And Wigmore was this was this
person who started rejuvlac and wheat grass, which are these
things that happened in Puerto Rico, and their books written
by her and then um Anne Marie. I think Colbin
was a big raw food person in natural food chefs.

(26:22):
So there's all these people that are like famous in
those little worlds. So it's weird to you and you
don't know what I'm talking about, but just understand, I
think you get the concept. So when I was in
that world years ago and the natural food chef, I
met Matthew Kenny, who was this raw food chef Delicious Food.
I worked for him for a brief period of time,

(26:43):
uh in Dumbo, Brooklyn, because he started these restaurants and
he had a reputation for not paying people. I know
that because he was like this artist chef that was
not a great business person. He had this reputation back then.
This is twenty years ago, and he was working with
Russell Simmons jib Amook de Cafe and this guy was
going to cook for him and all over the place.

(27:05):
These people are creative types and they're all over the place.
I'm getting somewhere because there's a show called Bad Vegan
that's on and I'm gonna watch it for you guys.
But Matthew Kenny's wife was had a brand called One
Lucky duck with him and it ended in bad divorce
and she ended up in this whole crazy illegal world

(27:26):
within this raw space. And I'm gonna watch the whole thing.
So this is sort of part one of it. But
I just want you to know that these two own
a place together, and I know that he was known
for like not paying people, and he now has all
these other restaurants. He kind of is like the pyramid skip.
He keeps going and I have nothing against him. He's
this totally nice guy. He's a good chef. I don't

(27:48):
know about his business practices. I just know that he
keeps moving through the system because these people that are
known in different industries they kind of our artists and
they're creative, and they moved through one business relationship then
they move into another one. So he's always getting someone
to partner with him and open a restaurant and then
somehow it's closed down, Like he had a restaurant down
in Miami and then it closed down. These raw food

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people are freaking weirdos and they're not business people, so
they have these great, big ideas and they shut down
all the time. So I'm gonna watch Bad Vegan because
a lot of you been writing that you want to
hear what I have to say about this, And it's
the woman what's her name, Matthew Kenny's wife. She got
Psarma Mangalas, So people want to know what she's shady?
Was she in on it? Just telling you that I

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worked with her ex husband, And it's all sketchy. It's
just sketchy. This world is a little sketchy. They're not
really into following rules because they're like these cult leaders.
Because anybody who's into raw that extreme, like people say,
I'm two percent ROM, five percent ROB, four percent ROM
eight percent raw. It's competitive. Oh it's not a D

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eighteen degrees a hundred eight degrees and you can't cook
things over. I don't know the exact terminology. I'm just
telling you it's a bunch of fucking crazies because they're
obsessed with some subculture, sub world that none of us understand,
and they're all really uber competitive about it. And and
oh that person is not real. Oh that person ate
some roasted cash. She was a couple of weeks ago.
They're not real, you know. And I was like, touched

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this world by trying it, and I get it, but
it's a bunch of fucking crazies. And I'm going to
watch this movie, and I'm just telling you that I
do have an opinion on this because I was in
this world twenty years ago, bet dabbling. When I say
that I was raw for a year, I wasn't strict
strict strict. I was raw, I was vegan, I was in,
I was out, but I understood what it was and

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all the crazy recipes because I was living in Chicago,
engaged and board and could focus on the ship. So
you have to be it's a time consuming. I know
one person who can raw for years and she just
fucking crazy. You can't go out to restaurants, she won't travel.
You know, you can't imagine how alienating it can. Maybe
you can only hang out with other people in this

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sub culture called world