John Edward

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
I got two emails today from two different publications who
I don't need to mention. Um. You know, it's so
funny because I'm always asked when you go back to
the Housewives. We've discussed this before, when you go back
to the Housewives, right, And I've done many different things successfully.
I have produced events for years and years. I mean
like the rock on Alcatraz, the Grammys, the can Air

(00:35):
movie premiere. I've you know, been on Skating with the Stars,
I was on The Apprentice, I've you know, how to
talk show. I worked for doing for many different famous people.
I was a natural food chef. I mean, you can
not get away from this housewife's vortex that I'm not
in anymore. Like people gep asking are you coming back?

(00:57):
And I keep saying, you know, yeah, March ninety nine.
Like it's not even a question. It's not conversation. It's
not like I'm saying, I just it's not something. It's like,
am I going to play, you know for the Patriots.
They they're not calling me to ask me to play
for the Patriots. It's not a question. Right now, we're
not talking about the Housewives. But it's it's just constantly
being discussed with me in it, so you know when

(01:19):
I see it on social media everywhere. Um. So I
got one email from my publicist today saying, there's a
book out. I don't even know what the book is called.
I don't it doesn't even matter. There's a book out
about the Housewives that I remember Andy Cohen coming to
my house in my backyard. I can't remember. If I
had already asked him to do my podcast he had
said yes, So he said to me, well, will you

(01:41):
do this Housewives book? So someone was writing a book,
you know, unearthing all of the scandal and all of
the secrets of the Housewives, and I said, absolutely not.
I I'm not on the show, and be I'm not
interested in that because what I'm not interested in is
people trashing other people under the guise of women supporting women.
You know, we play women playing supportive women on television.

(02:04):
So now you're gonna go in this book and start
telling all the dirty secrets about what really happened, which
is what I always say about The Housewives. It's a
zero sum game. Someone's always winning, someone's always losing. So
I go tell my story about somebody about something disgusting
that they did, and then you know that they really
did it. So all I'm really doing is gossiping. So
where did we get? Then? I just said something shitty

(02:27):
about another woman, about some real story that happened, or
you know, in many of these cases, it may not
even be a real story that happened. So one person wrote,
um that two very credible housewives. You know, I'm sure
they're just upstanding credible housewives, one of who is fired
and one is who is about to be fired. Um

(02:47):
say that I set up a photo of Tom, the
one who was cheating on Luanne in a seventies seven
years ago. Like who cares? But um, how can I
set up a photo I in a movie I'm casting. Hey,
Tom Pakistino would like to cast you in the role

(03:08):
of Cheeter at the Regency Hotel. I never go uptown.
I never go about fourteen Street unless I'm going to
the guy into Collegist. But in this fictitious world, this
is the same world where months after I got engaged,
the people were saying that I I staged my swimming
wearing my engage or ring, which I wear every day
because Paul likes me to wear it, because it's because

(03:29):
I'm engaged, but that I staged that I was going
to be wearing it on the beach because Housewives season
trailer was coming out that day. I don't work for Bravo.
I have no idea when the trailers coming out, but
that day, like I sit at home, like, let me
guess when the trailer is coming out, and let me
go on the beach and let me wear my ring
I've had for months. Okay, So in this case, I

(03:51):
am a casting director that called Tom Dakistina, who I
don't fucking know, to be like, hey, listen, I know
it sounds weird. I just want you to be in
a bar and and make out with somebody because I
have a back photographer who's gonna be standing by to
take a picture because I forgot. Because because I'm not
going on a trip to Florida with the rest of
the girls where they do an engaging party from law Anton,

(04:12):
I'm not going. I'm staying in New York and there
in Florida because I'm with my daughter, presumably, but then
I'm gonna give it to everybody on the show and
I get down there, when in fact, what really happened
is a woman that I did beach walks within the
Hampton's who shall always Remain nameless. I never wanted to
bring her into it. She said, um, holy sh it,

(04:33):
Tom is here. It was the night before their engagement
party in Florida. Tom is here because she knows him,
because she lives in the upperast Side world and they
all go to the Regency every goddamn day like kids
go to Dylan's candy store. And she said, Tom's here
with a woman, And she took a picture and sent
it to me, and I said it to Carol that night.
I said, oh my god, look at this picture. And
I knew it. And I went down to Florida, and

(04:56):
I didn't know when I was going to say it,
but I was definitely going to say it. And I
said it while in Florida towards the end of the trip.
That's what really happened. In the Land of Non La
La Psycho delusional PCP acid trip uh delusions. Okay, that
was the first one, so I'm always going to clarify here. Oh,

(05:17):
in addition, another house, so I've said that I went
to a funeral. All of that storyline because we I
didn't keep a relationship after with this person. Okay, do
don't Do you ever go to funerals of people that
you used to be friends with to pay your respects?
Isn't that something people say? You're paying your respect or
did you sign a contract when you walked in high

(05:38):
I'm coming in because someone in your family died. That
means here's the contract. Now we're gonna be friends for
the rest of our lives, regardless of what happened in
the past. Okay, I went to the funeral and yes,
Bravo wanted to cover it, and yes, Jill, who said
herselves on the reunion, I wanted it covered. She wanted
cameras there. She called Bravo and said, can you have

(05:58):
the cameras there? I abided, great, we're shooting a show.
I'm going to pay my respects, which I did. I
then took my daughter to meet Chill afterwards at a
chivical so she would understand what a shiva was and
say hello out of respects, and that's what it was.
In fact, I months before the funeral, when I heard
the Bobby was not doing well, I sent him a

(06:20):
whole basket. I sent flower I think I sent flowers.
At one point I sent a basket from um, what's
the store Russ and Daughters. They have all these like
jewish concoctions like rogola and jelly rings and all this stuff.
And I sent it to him and Jill in fact
placed it in the press because Jill enjoys the press.
And that's okay. She likes it. She loves it, she
always loved it. Good for her. I hope she gets

(06:40):
back on the show. Honestly, no Ill will. Whenever she
texts me, I always say I wish you well, but
literally this was probably exciting for her getting to speak
about this. So yeah, I decided I wanted to go.
I don't get enough opportunity on television. I wanted to
go only to go on a funeral because right now
I can guarantee you I can walk into any fucking
Housewives set and decided to do anything I wanted. Could

(07:01):
do a cartwheel, I could have get a psychic reading
from John Edward. I could make cotton candy, I could
fucking make macro may or you know, sit in a
padded cell. It doesn't matter. I can go on the
Housewives if I want so. I don't need a funeral
to do so. And no, I did not sign a
binding contract saying I wanted to be friends with this
person for the rest of my life because I went

(07:22):
to your funeral and it wasn't your funeral, it was
your husband's funeral, who I actually liked and had a
nice relationship with, who sent me my own personal note
after getting that rugala basket. Next one, more of the on,
the on, the Our brains are deteriorating, and this is
time you'll never get back in your life. But we're
gonna do it here more breaking news this justin. Another

(07:48):
former housewife says that I held a grudge against her
because she didn't remember meeting me at a party before
we began filming, and I was insecure and threatened by
her during their filming together. Okay, yeah, I don't even
know if that that might not even deserve response. I'm
down here. She's up there, somewhere in the stratosphere of

(08:12):
giving a funk about what Housewives books right about us
ten decades later, still clamoring and begging to be on
this show that asked her to leave. And it should
be noted that the three people that have asked about
that have mentioned this in this book about me have
been asked to leave the show, and one is quote

(08:35):
unquote on the bubble, so bless their hearts. I love
the opportunity I had there. But when you asked me
why I don't want to go back on The Housewives,
it's because this is not the Housewives I was on
years ago, and the Housewives that involves being so thirsty,
desperate and bored and having no side hustles or hobbies

(08:56):
that you need to like write nonsense about things that
actually don't matter. You know, That's not the world I
want to live in. So I don't think I'm better
than anyone, but I'm definitely better than whatever that was.
Thank you today. My guest is John Edward. He is

(09:19):
a New York Times bestselling author, a TV personality, and
a psychic medium. John worked at a Delhi, at a
video store, and even a hospital before finally finding his calling.
He shares his story of going from a total nonbeliever.
Can you believe that he was a nonbeliever, I mean
a real skeptic of this kind of medium psychic stuff,

(09:39):
and he discovered that he was living in the psychic
realm without even realizing it. Since then, he's been committed
to helping people with his psychic gift and his ability
to connect people with their deceased loved ones. Whether you're
a believer or not, you are not going to want
to miss this one. Hi there, how are you? I'm good?

(10:05):
How are you? Nice to meet you? Nice to meet
you as well? Where are you? This very zen behind you?
Oh this is my like, my zen den, my bat cave,
my fortunss of solitude is the place where everything happens
that I do. I like this. Where do you live
a Long Island? Oh? You do still live in Long Island?
Born and Bread? Where in Long Island? Huntington's Oh okay,

(10:27):
I went to Wheatley. So when I saw glen Cove,
I thought, I thought, what was that restaurant Labustola? Yes, yes,
still there. I don't know, well actually right now after
the pandemic, I don't know. But so you grew up
in glen Cove? Is that middle class? Upper middle class?
What's the socioeconomic by that town? I think the town

(10:52):
runs the runs of the gambit from both like you know,
across the board you would find anybody from any socio
economic background. I never considered myself coming from a family
that was not um wealthy. I never thought about it.
It wasn't until my like I want to say, early thirties,
and I was having a conversation with a friend and

(11:13):
we were talking about he was I was like building
a house, and long story short, you know, he said, well,
you know you kind of grow poor. I remember having
this moment of going, no, I didn't, And then I
started thinking about it, and I was like, oh, maybe
I did. But the reference of what I would consider
to be poor when it comes to finances or poor
when it comes to energy, they kind of one uplifted

(11:34):
the other, so to be poor in finances but rich
in family, to me kind of outweighed the poor in finances.
But I guess when you live in a house that's
a ranch that you know it's three or four bedrooms
and eight people are living at sharing a bathroom. Maybe
not the most wealthy family, right. But it's funny you
say that, because you know, I've been thinking about the
homeless crisis in the United States, and poor is one

(11:55):
thing to one person versus another. And if you had
food on the table and was on your feet, then
by many people standards, you weren't poor, but you definitely
it sounds like you if you wanted a car when
you were older, you had to work for it. It
doesn't it doesn't sound like you had a lot of
money to get what you wanted. So what was you know?
I started working, Um, I lied to get my working papers,

(12:18):
um before I was thirteen to start working at a
deli washing dishes. So and then when I turned thirteen,
my my role from I think it was like the
best six months. I was in the back of the
of the kitchen, just dishwashing, and it was like dish
after dish, platter after platter. But while I was washing
all these dishes, I was asking the person who was

(12:39):
running the kitchen all of their questions like what were
you doing? Why were you doing that? What's the point
of oiling the grill? What do you used to clean
the grill? Wow, that's a mass, Like all of those questions,
why do you do it like this? Why do you
do it like that? And about five months into that job,
there was an employee crisis and the guy quit. The
guy just up and quit, and the owner of the

(13:00):
deli was in a panic because you know, here it
was like five o'clock in the morning that I showed
up for work, and the guy didn't show and the
owner's name was Eli and Ellie, and he said, um,
I don't know what I'm gonna do, and I remember
like looking at him. I went, I got it. And
he's like what. And I started doing everything that I
had watched the guy do and he looked at me
and he goes, why do you know how to do that?

(13:21):
And I was like, well, it's kind of boring washing dishes,
so I would ask the guy how he prepped. And
then Ellie said to me, you need to do it
like this, and I just like looked at him and
I went, dude, I got this, and I did, and
I ran the kitchen that day, and I like, you know,
did the morning and on Long Island, you know, the
deli trade is huge. Like you're doing like hundreds of

(13:43):
egg sandwiches and they're like throwing at you, and I
loved it. I kept up, and then he promoted me
to manager of the deli. At like that age I
became I became the night manager. And then so the
message is that, you know, I that's so funny. I say,
everything is your business, and don't ever think you're too
high and mighty for it. Otherwise, just don't do it

(14:06):
because you know, you never know where you can learn
a skill set. So I get that completely. But then
I got that from my mom because one night when
I came back from the Delhi, she goes, how's working?
And I was like, and she goes, what's that mean?
I said, well, it was kind of really slow. And
Ellie was kind of O C D. So he always
had us like his motto was, if you were not busy,

(14:27):
if there was not a client, he said, get the
piss piss, and the piss piss was the windecks, and
that meant you were cleaning everything. And this one day
he wanted us cleaning the cases, the grout of the
cases of the snowy cases, and they were greedy and
they were dirty and it was disgusting. So I was
complaining to my mother that I didn't want to do that,
and she looked at me. We were at a light,
and she went, are you saying that you think that's

(14:49):
beneath you? And I looked at it and I went, no,
I'm just saying it's disgusting, and she goes, right, but
you're saying it with a certain tone. Do you think
that that's beneath you, and I went, I don't think
I am, because well it sounds like you are. She
goes in, as far as I'm concerned, if that's your job,
she goes, you do it to the best of your ability,
because your name is attached to it. So she goes,
you make sure that the cases that you clean are

(15:11):
the cleanest one in the store, perfect, because right if
you're not doing it, someone's doing it. That would mean
that it's beneath you because someone has to do it.
And uh yeah, and I find that. So that's why
I kind of asked that question about your upbringing and
your family because work ethic and how it's instilled into
kids is really important so young and on the show

(15:34):
we hear people talking about stories yeah when someone was
seven years old. And work ethic for us as parents
is so important to instill and hard when we ourselves
have created our own success. But it does drive you
your whole entire life. Finds your path interesting. How many
kids you from? Eight kids? You start? No, no no, no,

(15:54):
I'm an only child, but my mom was. My mom
was one of eleven, so she was number nine out
of eleven. And Grandma's house was like, you know, the
hub of activity, and that was where Glenn Cob was,
That's where I went to school. Um, got it. But
like every Sunday at my grandma's house, you can have
anywhere people showing up for like Sunday dinner. If someone

(16:27):
says to you, what do you do for a living?
What do you say? If somebody doesn't know who I
am for airplane, what do you do? I'm a writer,
you're right? Interesting, They go and what do you write?
What do you write? I go, I write books and
they go, oh, and then they go, what do you
write on? I go paras psychology and metaphysics. And usually
the conversation ends right there because they don't know what

(16:48):
that is. So it gives me an hol right, because
that's what you ultimately inside think of yourself as a
writer first and foremost, because you don't want to get
into the whole thing, because then it's like a whole
long conversation. Correct, because I don't really want to get
into it, Okay, because usually if so, you're you meet
someone that you you really get close to and they
ask you what do you what do you what do
you do for a living? What do you really feel

(17:10):
that I'm yeah, then I'm I'm direct, and I'll say, well,
I do psychic work. You know, I'm the psychic medium.
This is this is the work that I do. I lecture,
I teach, I've written books, I've done TV shows like
I will explain the whole realm of of what it
is and then wind up getting into every question that
they have about the subject matter that it might that
might appeal to them. Okay, and I would imagine that

(17:32):
it must be very It's it's great you don't you
know where you came from, but every single person wants
to pull at you, and I'm just curious about we'll
get into later your personal energy because everyone taking from you,
I would imagine takes away from you being focused and
centered for your craft, if I can call it that.
So starting from the beginning, I read a little bit,

(17:53):
but I want to hear from you how you feel
that you have this gift. People always saying I felt
that I had a gift for you. It sounds like
someone told you that you might have a gift. So
what were signs in your life that you then flash
back to and then what did this person say to you? So,
just to give the background, Mom's side, very Italian very big,

(18:14):
very open, somewhat mystical. You know. They would believe in
the Maloychia and they believe in the evil eye and
all that kind of stuff. They would have psychics come
to the house and they would do like house parties
with psychics. But yet very religious, a little bit superstitious,
but religious. My grandmother had like an altar in her
bedroom that can rival the church, you know what I'm saying,
Like prate twice a day, did the Rosary twice a day.

(18:34):
Very very into a belief system my dad and hold on,
sorry to interrup so religion often you're finding that religion
often connects to psychic because people think there's something else there,
there's more to it. There's heaven, someone's gone, someone someone
somewhere else. There's a belief and a philosophy that's attached
that side. Irish, less communicative, um, not so warm and fuzzy.

(19:01):
Dad was a New York City police officer, a career
military guy, uniform, militant. Psychic stuff not real and I
don't want my son around that. So between you know,
up until the age of thirteen, whenever any of that
stuff was happening at my grandmother's house, I was not
allowed to be around it, so I was kind of
shielded from it. It's crazy gypsies to them, it's someone out.

(19:24):
He did not like it. It was just not something
he wanted me around, and my mom respected that. She
was like, you know, no worries. Um. We separated my
dad when I was thirteen. We moved into the house
in glen Cove, UM, and that was the hub where
all of these things happened. So my mom had the
philosophy between like thirteen and fifteen. She was like, if
for some reason, you're talking to your dad, which I

(19:45):
didn't do that often, she goes, do not tell him
that you know, there's a card reader coming on Sunday,
or don't say that there was a seance last or
whatever it was that they were doing. And I was like, yeah,
I'm not gonna bring that up anyway because I think
you guys a bet you crazy, So like, I'm not,
I'm not even a worry. Long story show. When I
was fifteen, Um, there was a little bit of a

(20:06):
concern health wise for me that I didn't have a concern,
but the doctor did, and my mom wound up having
a reading with the psychic in Manhattan, a woman by
the name of Lydia Clara, and Lydia told her that
there was gonna be nothing wrong with my health, don't
worry about it. Turned out she was accurate. It was fine.
But my mom said, hey, listen, we love psychic stuff.
Would you ever come to like the house to do readings?

(20:27):
We can get you a number of people. And she
politely said I don't normally do that, but I will
do it under one condition. And my mom was like, yeah, Namen,
you know, and she goes, I want to meet your son.
So my mom came home and she said, I know
this is gonna sound crazy, but this woman doesn't normally
do that, but she's really really amazing and I got
her to come to Grandma's house, but she just wants

(20:48):
to meet you. Can you make sure that you're here
and please be on your best behavior? And I'm like,
why it's a freak want to meet me? Like and
why like why you offering me up for your like,
you know, wacko party. Anyway, the lady came and Bethany
I did like a really kind of like I felt
like I was Craig t. Nelson from Poltergeist. When the Tangina,
the little medium comes into the house and she's upstairs

(21:09):
and she asks a question, and Joe both Williams says
to him answer her, and he goes, I am, but
I'm answering her in my mind, you know. And then
the woman turns around and she says, I don't like
your questions. Well, as they were all say, trying to
trick her, you're totally closed. Well I wasn't. Here's what
I did. As they were all sitting around the dining
room table and she was having her tea before she

(21:29):
went upstairs to the room to go to readings. Um,
there was a nineteen inch r C A television which
was a huge piece of furniture at my grandmother's house.
So I happened to be staring in that direction away
from where so she was over here. I was looking
that direction while they were all talking, and the rest
of the family and the people that were getting ready
to be read by her, well kind of like nervous
and like like they were being like almost like a

(21:51):
schoolgirl who had a crush Um. And in my mind,
I'm like, if you're so psychic, I want you to
ask me your question. If you're so psychic. I want
you to ask me your question, right. So I kept
saying that over no again, if you're so psychic, I
want you to ask me a question, right. So finally
she had her tea and she went like this, she
went John right, and I like looked over and I went,

(22:12):
uh huh. She goes, if you have a question for me,
I would be more than happy to address it. And
I remember going, now, I'm good, and I looked looked
at my mother like why she looking at me? Right?
My mom had no idea what's doing this? So this
woman goes upstairs and there were seventeen people on the

(22:34):
list for her to read that day, so my grandmother
was like number nine. My grandmother, they came downstairs and
she was crying, and I looked at her and I went,
why are you Why are you upset? What did that
woman say to you to make you upset? And she says, no, no, no,
I'm not crying because i'm sad. I'm crying because I'm happy.
And I went, yeah, I don't really care why you're crying.
I want to know what she said to make you upset.
And she goes, she told me that Tony was with

(22:56):
me and that's your grandfather. No, I didn't know him.
And so I was like, Grandma, Grandma, you were introduced
to her as Mrs Esposito, How big of a freaking
stretch do you think there is that there's gonna be
a tony somewhere in your family? Are you serious right now?
And she goes, if you don't believe me, If you
don't believe that your grandfather, who loved me more than
life itself, is still with me, that's your issue. How

(23:18):
would she know he was buried with the mandolin? I
didn't know that. So I was like, so I go
to my mother, I go, was your father buried with mandolin?
And she went yeah, why, I go, well, that lady
told grandma that, And she goes, well, there's no way
she would know that. Now. I didn't settle for that.
I went to the list of people that went to
the readings before my grandmother. I wanted to see if
there was anybody on that list that could extrap that

(23:40):
she would have been able to extrapolate that information from
and then give it to the old lady in the house. Okay,
because it is how my brain works. Yeah, they were
all they were all like family. Friends. They're like friends.
Nobody would know that. So now I'm like, okay. Then
my cousin Rosanne goes. And when my cousin Roseanne goes,
and she's thirteen years older than I am, so at
that time, I'm fifteen, So she was ty eight. She
had had a lot of life experience that had some

(24:01):
things that had happened that like we're adult stuff. But
if you looked at her, you would have thought she
was like sixteen. Right. She comes down and she was like,
holy crap, like she knew this, this this right. And
I was like, oh, come on, and this is before
Google everybody, this is before you, you know, social media,
like you can't look it up. And I looked at

(24:22):
my cousin like no, no, no, you're like one of me.
Like you and I we bantered, we make fun of
these people, like like like what happened to you? And
she's like mmmmm. She was like she scared the shot
out of me. She's like she knew stuff that she
should not have known. She knew about this, she knew
about that. She's like, you need to go. I'm like no,
I'm like not happening. She's like, I will pay for
you to go. And in that moment, I looked at

(24:42):
my mother like can I And my mom said, you
can go, but you have to treat her with respect.
And I was like, oh, I would treat her with respect.
I go, I'm just not gonna help her like all
of you. Right, So I go and I sit in
front of her, and she takes my high school ring
and she literally goes this. She takes a high school ring,
she puts it in her hands. She puts it to

(25:03):
her forehead right, which is the third eye. So if
people are not watching this and they can hear this,
it's like she's holds holding my ring and she puts
it up to her forehead. She looks down and proceeds
to start giving me information, so she's not looking at me.
And all she says is the reason why I'm here today.
It's because I was told to come here to put
you on your path. You have highly evolved beings of

(25:24):
white and gold light that are ready to work with you,
and I'm here to help introduce you to what you're
going to do. You're going to change the way millions
of people look at this subject matter have Bethany, I'm
literally sitting there in the room and I'm like this,
like and I like, like what I was like waiting for.
Here's another old reference I was waiting for. You're the
only person she's saying is too, and you're the only

(25:45):
guy there. It sounds like I don't know this yet, right,
I just know that this woman is like that is
like giving me this wacky information. And I'm like I
went from being like skeptical to like, oh, this lady's crazy, right,
Like she's like she's she's delusional. Right, So I was
like okay, right, and then she proceeded to go you know,

(26:05):
that was like I call that strike one. Strike two
comes up when she starts talking about things that are
generically specific. When I say generically specific, for about three seconds,
I was like, oh my god, like yes, and then
I was like wait, wait wait whoa boa boa boa?
I can apply that to like three other guys that
I'm in high school with right now. So now I'm

(26:25):
like strike two. Right, So I'm going down my analytical
logical right. Remember I'm the kid in the Delhi how
do you do this? Why did you do that? Right?
I'm looking for all of those things now, I'm looking
for looking this with her. Then at the end she
gives me information. And at the time, I had been
seeing somebody that was dating some dating somebody else and
she my mom did not nobody knew right, And if

(26:48):
my mom had known some of the circumstances, I don't
think she would have been happy. So all I'm thinking
about is now she's legitimately nailing this circumstance. And as
she's nailing the circumstance, I'm thinking, oh my god, this
woman was my mother, Like, what if she tells her?
So I go to the place of I lied. I went,
I don't know what that is. And she's one like that.

(27:09):
I will never forget it. She like raised her eyebrow
and she looked at me and she went, Okay, we'll
let me give you the outcome of what you don't know.
And she proceeded to give me the outcome about this girl.
And she said, she's not going to wind up with
the guy she's dating, who by the way, she gave
me his name. She's not going to wind up with you.
She's going to wind up with the gentleman that she

(27:29):
works with, who works with food. And in my mind,
I'm like, she doesn't work with anybody's food. I was like,
you know, she's completely wrong. Yeah, well, I did not
know that she had a job on the weekends as
a waitress, and she dated the chef for five years
after that, and that all got revealed within two weeks
of the reading. So when I tell you that, all
of this like like blew my mind. It made me

(27:53):
extremely uncomfortable. And I say to everybody, I didn't go,
oh my god, that's amazing. I say, no, I felt
like I was violated. I felt like somebody like broke
into my house and went through my stuff, and I
didn't like it. I did not like the feeling. My
journey of development wasn't like, oh, I'm so psychic, because

(28:14):
she told me my journey was like, okay, so clearly
this woman has something. I don't know how she knew.
Maybe she's a mind reader, but how would she know
the future that I I can't explain. But I don't
like this feeling, so I want to learn more about it.
So nobody else could ever do that for me. I'm
a control freak. I was like, I don't want that. Well,
the box was opened and you couldn't shut it once
that happened, So even though you hated everything. It just

(28:36):
it woke you up, and it seems like you had
to explore it. It felt like she broke into my house, right,
my my energy house, and I didn't like it. I
wanted to put it the I want to find like
how do I put Can I put an alarm system
on my energy? Like like what is this? So when
I started to learn about the subject matter in you
could there was no new wage section in bookstores, right, really,

(28:57):
there was no you know, everything was under the ac cult.
So I was embarrassed to check books out. So I
would sit on the floor of the Glencove Public Library
after high school and every day for hours read the
books that were written about Parwa, psychology, the occult, metaphysics.
And that's where my journey really truly began with knowledge. Right, yeah,

(29:19):
I started going but this isn't psychic, like this is
common sense. Like we all have these like flashes and
ideas and thoughts, right, like, yeah, I've seen my dead
grandfather as a kid, like that's normal. Like nobody even
made a big deal about me seeing him. That was like, oh,
that's your grandfather. Like I grew up in that realm
of it being normal. And natural. So for me to

(29:40):
be psychic was something way bigger than what I had
thought it would be. Right. Yeah, we all have these
things that we second guess if they're signs, if you
know everything, we all have it. Someone dies and then
every single time I'm on a beach, I always find
this one type of shell when I'm thinking about this person,

(30:01):
like always, and it's really creepy and weird, and you
sometimes wonder if it's if it's coincidence or if it's
in your mind. But everybody has had these different experiences
in different ways, and I guess if you're really focused
on it, I guess you can find patterns, etcetera. But
you turned this into um, this is your passion and
your gift, um and who you are. But this you

(30:23):
turned this into something successful. So how is that trajectory?
You're sitting on the floor in a library and you
become one of the most sex successful, um you know,
respected people in this business, a legitimate person that people
respect and honor in this business because it is a business.
So how is that trajectory? You're sitting on the floor.

(30:45):
Now what happens? Who do you become? So I literally
go from the I like read every book that you
possibly get your hands on. And I then go to
Wheatly Plaza like road in Greenville. Right right there was
a was a Walden bookstore there right next to like
where path Mark was, and I walked in the middle
of the afternoon. I walked into the store and all

(31:06):
the way in the back they had one shelf. And
I want you to understand that the shelves in the
bookstore were curved like of the old pan and building, right,
so I had that kind of a look. And they
had like very sparse books on the subject matter. But
they had a deck of Tarot cards. It was called
Tarot Classic that we're leaning up against it, and I'm
about three ft away from the shelf, so I'm not
anywhere near it. One of the persons in the store

(31:27):
is the manager of the store, and she was in
the middle of the store on the floor restocking some stuff.
And as I'm standing there like looking at like, you know,
I want to buy this, I want to learn about this,
the deck of Tarot cards fall off the shelf in
front of me. Now I know for people listening to this,
that sounds like crazy. And if I did not witness it,
I would also think that this didn't happen, but I'm

(31:49):
just letting you know it fell off. And the lady
in the store looked at me and she went, clearly,
you're supposed to buy those, and I went, you think right?
So I bought them. So I bought the Dead, I
bought that book. I go home. Now simultaneously my grandmother's house.
Her sister, my great aunt, Louise, comes from Staten Island
to come spend seven weeks with my grandmother, and she goes,
she could never got my name right, so she'd go

(32:10):
Johnson and I go, yeah, she goes, I brought you
a gift. I was like, you didn't have to do that,
and she's like, it's not a big deal, and she
hands me a little supermarket book that says how to
predict the future with playing cards. And I'm like, what, like,
why would why why would my grandmother's sister, who I
don't really know, right, why would she bring me that?

(32:33):
Like it was a weird in front of Okay, so
now I know you could read with playing cards, and
now I know you could read with these tarot cards. Right,
So I've studied the book, I look at the stuff
and that coming week, I said to my cousin Florence,
because Grandmo's house was over there. Um, I said, can
I can I do something for you? So I read

(32:53):
for my cousin Florence. And when I say I read
for her, let me just be really clear. I have
a book in my hand and I'm like, I put
a card down. I'm like, and then I tell what
it means, and then I added to it, like and
that's what I did. Two weeks later, she goes, You're
gonna be Grandma's Grandma's house on Sunday, and I went, yeah.
She's like, okay, I go, I lived there, so of
course I'm gonna be. She's like, yeah, I want you to.

(33:13):
I want you to do my cards again. I'm like no,
and she said why not. I went, I don't even
know what I'm doing. She's like, well, dude, everything you
told me happened in the last two weeks. And I
remember saying, I go, Florence, I don't even know what
I'm doing. I feel like I'm like making up a story.
She goes to make up a story again, because the
one you made up last time it all happened. She
goes and honestly you shouldn't have known the stuff that
you knew. And then I did it again, and then

(33:37):
she told her friends, and then they told two friends,
and it was like that a gree shampoo commercial, right,
and so on and so on, and it literally became
something that I was just doing because I could so
my first love right, So in front of me all
the time, here's my little um Bocardi Gold reserve bag.
I don't drink, but or my cards, and I always
have them with me, like it's just like my my

(33:59):
first thing that I resonated with. You travel on a
play with them, no matter where you go, there with you.
They are the first card you got. Those are the
ones that felt the No, I actually don't like. I
don't like those cards. I resonated more with this deck.
So my second deck was worth these um it's called
the right of weight um and they have like images
and pictures on them and and and Tarot is really

(34:22):
just about the arch type of the human spirit experience
and the journey. So I think I resonated with what
the journey that we are here to learn, Like I
got very early on that this is a journey. And
I also like to just address the word gift. I
never felt like I had a gift. And I actually
don't like the word gift being associated with the subject matter,

(34:44):
because so many times when you hear somebody who does this,
they'll say, my gift is I have a gift and
the gift that I And whenever I hear that in
this work, I always think I'm more special than you. Right,
I'm better than you. I'm gifted. And I want to
everybody listening to know that everybody's intuitive and everybody has
psychic ability, and everybody could recognize when their loved ones

(35:07):
and friends around them, and nobody needs a reading. That's
the God's honest truth. And my grandmother used to get
so upset with me. She'd be like, why are you
telling people that you're gonna have no business? And I'd
be like, it's not about business. It is about teaching.
It is about raising awareness and letting people recognize that
if they just pay attention to the universe, if they
could be objective about the universe and take a few
steps back, life really is like a soap opera, and

(35:28):
it really does give you foreshadowing of where we're going.
And if you kind of just look down that line
of probability, you can kind of see alter change or grow.
I'm not really good with this, so it takes a
lot for somebody to be able to do that over
years of meditation. That's what I do for I do
it for clients because I'm looking at their line of probability. Um.

(36:02):
People who listen are trying to create their own success
and certainly have had a lot of these experiences that
apply to what you're talking about, but doubt themselves. Second
guests themselves aren't sure which way to turn. Do I
turn this? I always say, when you jump, you fly,
you know how to listen to gut gut into That's
so crazy. I said the exact same thing, really like verbatim.

(36:24):
So my trajectory went from like I never I never
not had I didn't. Okay, well you just freaked me
out there a little bit. Um because my backgrounds and healthcare,
so I went and got a degree. My I was
working on a master's in public health and healthcare administration.
And while working on my master's in that field, I
wound up working at a hospital doing phlebotomy. I wanted

(36:47):
to get my foot in the door. So here I
am taking like credits out of college. I'm working in
a hospital doing phlebotomy. Always phlebotomy is working at a laboratory,
and it would be the vena punctuous, the person that
comes in and draws your blood. Right, so I was
I was. I was the guy that came and stuck
needles in your and did that. So I did that
clinically that I moved into an area coped materials management,
and then I moved into the the like information systems

(37:10):
for the hospital because I wanted to get into administration.
And then my world's kind of collided. Right, So my
world's of the psychic world, which I never stopped doing
from fifteen right all the way as I'm working into
the you know, it's like ten years later, sow working
at a hospital, getting my degree, doing this whole thing. Um,
and my world's always kept separate. Somebody that I did

(37:31):
a private reading for recognized me in the hospital, and
it's spread that I actually worked at this hospital. Then
people who couldn't get appointments with me because I was
booked six to six months eight months a year in
advance for private readings and doing group stuff while still
having my regular job and doing everything. Um, people started

(37:51):
calling the hospital asking if they could get to me
on my lunch hour. So there was a um. There
was a moment where my two worlds really really collided
because I was due for a huge bonus raise in promotion.
My wife had said to me, you know, why are
you killing yourself working so hard? Like just do your
psychic work like this clearly your demand that. I was

(38:12):
like absolutely not, Like I want a real job before
one k like that's how I was raised, Like that's
my that was that was my mindset. Um. And she's like, yeah,
I think you're kind of like just killing yourself on
a reason. She's like, clearly people want to see you.
So she's like I was like, yeah, yeah, that's my passion.
And the moment I started, the moment I started like
doing that for a job. Now it's like now I

(38:32):
now I have to do it. Like so I like
the luxury of like sitting with somebody going like I
don't like the energy. I want to read them, you know,
Like that was my it was kind of my vibe. Well,
fast forward, the vice president of my department comes in.
He goes, can I can I talk to you? I
was like absolutely, so here Mr psychic. I'm like, here
it comes the bonus, the raise, the whole nine yards.

(38:54):
And it's like three thirty in the afternoon, and this guy,
Marty looks at me and he goes, so, what's this
talking to the dead thing? And I literally felt like
everything inside me like drain out because my whole my
two worlds collided. And I went, um, that's also belittling
to the way he said it. Yeah. I didn't even
catch the belittling part because I just was like, I

(39:15):
felt like, oh my god, I was exposed the naked.
So I was like, Um, I'm in the middle of
a project. Can I come back in five thirty and
can we talk about it then? And he went sure,
I leave, I go to my office and I just
went like this. I went, I don't care who you
have to get, but get somebody in his family to
show up five thirty, right. So I go back into
five thirty and I go, Marty, I could do two things.
I could either explain to you what you're asking me um,

(39:37):
or I can demonstrate. And I remember whom going, oh,
please demonstrate. So he did, and then about twenty five
minutes in we were kind of sitting side by side.
He was like looking straight ahead and I looked at
him and I was like, so that's pretty much what
they're looking for. And I go and I'm so sorry
that they found me here, and I you know, I
have a long waiting list and blah blah blah blah blah.
And he goes to me, you're you're gonna have to

(40:00):
leave now, and there was like this pregnant pause, and
I was like, leave, like you need some space, like
pack up my desk, don't come in tomorrow. And he goes,
no nose, he just eradicated forty five years of belief
system in twenty minutes with information there's no possibly way
you could know you're in a sign. And then you're
talking about the metaphysical. He's like, I need to wrap
my brain around this. So the next the next morning,

(40:22):
I show up like an hour beforehand there because I'm
like paranoid when it was my job, and he comes
in early and I remember he stops by my my
office and he looks at me and he goes, why
are you here? And I looked at him. I was like,
because it's my job, I go, this is my path,
this is what we going to school for. And he
smiled at me and he goes, but why are you here?

(40:44):
And like that night, my wife said to me, I
really really think you need to like leave. So I said, listen,
if I don't get what they promised me, which was
an increase in my dilary by the way, if I
don't get that which was promised, I said, I'll take
that as a sign from the universe that I'm not
supposed to be there, and I'll leave. I got pulled
into the office within a few weeks after that, and
they gave me the big speech of how they fought

(41:06):
for me, and everybody else was getting a one percent increase,
but I did such a stella job because my boss
was on maternity to leave. I was going to get
three don't even remember hearing a thing after that, because
in that moment, I just went, oh my god, I'm
being called The universe is calling me out on what
I said. And I knew in that moment that I
was going to leave and I was going to do

(41:28):
this work full time. And I said to everybody, I
was beyond scared. I felt like I was standing on
a cliff at night and somebody said jump, and when
I jumped, I wasn't sure if I was going to fall,
and instead I soared. That's amazing. I do say that
about people because people are really stuck in jobs and
whether it had to leave and they have a four

(41:48):
oh one k and they don't know how to leave
corporate America and start, you know, artists in coffee shop
or whatever it is, and you got it. Just at
some point you're going to have to decide you can't
ride two horses at the same time time. I mean,
it's not that easy to be great at multiple things
at the same time. But I also think it's really
important for people that are listening to this that they

(42:08):
have to make sure that their ego self is in
balance and in check when they make that jump. I
wouldn't want anybody listening to this who can't back up
what it is that they think they want to do,
do it and then go I listened to Bethany and
John Edward and I jumped and I fall and crashed
and burn, and it's their fault, right, So what's important

(42:29):
is to make sure that you legitimately have something you
can jump to and you can back up whatever that is.
Because I've had too many people that will read the books,
the life coaching books still take. You know, they'll walk
across their fire, they'll do this, they'll do that, and
then the moment that they try to put something into effect,
they fall flat on their face because they really can't
legitimately back up what it is. Well, because well, I

(42:53):
I've never had someone because I always say, you need
to know if you're really an entrepreneur, because the real
the true entrepreneurs that I know, say they work twenty
four hours a day, doesn't mean they're sitting in front
of a a day. It means their minds are going,
they're solving problems, they're playing chess, not checkers. They're not
thinking about lunch and not thinking about the vacation. And
I don't work for human resources, so you know, and

(43:14):
so it's just what you are. And it doesn't mean
that I make my staff work twenty four hours a day.
They have a balanced life. Now, we've got everybody covering
everybody else, but the people who want to go all
the way work that way. And that's just the way
it is. So you've got to just know if that's
who you are, and that will help you determine whether
you want to go take that road and if you
put passion into your profession, it yields profit. And profit

(43:38):
doesn't just mean money. Profit is in accomplishment. Profit is
in how you feel about yourself and a life balance
of you know, are you living your actual path right?
Like your your goal? So could I have stayed in
a hospital environment. Yes? Did I like it the administrative part.
I absolutely hated the clinical side. I actually liked like

(43:58):
I enjoyed working the nical side. So if I wasn't
doing something along these lines, I probably would want to
be a frontline worker. I probably would want to be
in surgery. I'd want to be doing something in that
type of I get it. I get I literally said
to Paul, like I'm negotiating another I Heart show. But
for the first year that I didn't there was some
loophole and I didn't get paid to do the podcast

(44:19):
for the first year, which wasn't with I Heart. I
didn't care. I literally I talked to people every day
that I had nothing I knew nothing about, and I
sit here and I devoured these conversations. I am so
passionate about it that I would do it for free.
I don't care if I heard here is that because
I'm not going to do it for free because that's
this market value. And I do a lot of philanthropy,
but I love it so much and I want to

(44:40):
be able to not do many other things because of that.
So yes, this is I'm working right now in sweatpants
that I slept in. But I did you know shower um?
And you know, I just love it. So okay, So
I want to hear about um. Does this crowd your mind?
How do you have a separation of this work and life?

(45:02):
Like some people can't watch a movie if they're a
director because they're thinking about that shot and the way
this is and the way that is, or if everyone's
pulling at you to ask you questions. I mean, don't
you need a sense of peace? And like I think
when my mind is really crowded and busy, I can't
have good creative thoughts. They don't come to me. So
I would imagine in your work, if you're worried about
the house and we've got to do this and we're moving,

(45:23):
and you my wife's upset about this and this happened,
Like it's not that easy for you to work in
this way. It seems like you need freedom in your
mind and body. So energy is really now what we're
talking about, right, So everything in my world is framed
under the umbrella of energy and how that works. So
I left the deli and every every when I'm thirteen

(45:44):
to fifteen years old, right, that's the deli world. And
every day Mr m would come in and he would
see me there and he'd go, can can I poach you?
Would you come like work for me at the video store?
And I would say, no, I'm good. But every day
I had his you know, his bologna on on his
roll with butter ready for him, and every day he
would ask me that. And then the one day when
the Delhi got sold, I waited for MRM to come
in and I gave mis sandwich and he said to me,

(46:07):
thank you, and I went, don't you want to ask
me anything else? And he goes to me nope, And
I went, are you sure? And he went sure, you
want to come work for me? And I went yes,
and he went really, and I went yes. So I
went working to the video store. So I went from
the Delhi in the same parking lot to the video store.
Seven years in one parking lot I worked out. So
now I'm managing the video store. And one of the
things that happened during this period of time is I

(46:28):
used to attack read people that would walk up to
the county. But wait, doesn't that mean it's so before
you get to the video store. Doesn't that mean you
wanted one door to close for you open the next.
You want to focus all your energy on this one
thing and do it well versus doing both. Is that
why I always felt like it was important for me
to help my mom and make sure that I always
took care of myself financially from the age of thirteen.
So from thirteen to fifteen, I worked at the deli

(46:49):
making sure I was paying for my stuff. So, which
is very literal, you just stopped one job and start another, Okay,
I always worked like I always work work. So from fifteen,
you know, for for a few years after that, I
was managing the video store. But that's where my development
really kicked in. So now I'm meditating, I'm learning about
how to work with energy. I'm learning a little bit
about astrology. I'm working with tarot numerology, and I'm seeing clients,

(47:10):
I'm reading clients. I'm working at a psychic fair. Right
because I had gone to see three other psychics. Three
other psychics picked up on my abilities. One of those
psychics invites me to a psychic fair. The lady it's
a psychic fair. I read for it. She puts me
to work that day. I'm now seeing clients. Right, So
this is the trajectory. I go from reading my cousins
and their friends to reading every Sunday at a psychic
fair in the tri State Earth. So you're busy, But

(47:31):
when this instrument is working, it's even working more. That's
what I'm asking. If you go away for four weeks,
is it like a little different and you're not as
alive with it? And when you're at at this period
of time, I'm constantly on and I'm constantly reading. And
now people are coming in the video store and they're
walking up and I'm attacked reading them at the counter.
The owner of the store is telling me, don't do that.
You're freaking people out with the wegi thing that you're doing. Right,

(47:52):
And then I, you know, started to get like, I
started to get physically sick. And the woman that did
my first reading said to me, well are you powering
yourself down? And I went, what does that mean? She's like,
what do you mean, what does that mean? She goes,
you need to recharge yourself, you need to pay herself down.
And then somebody else that I studied with, right, I
was taking classes with someone and she said, would you

(48:13):
ever watch your neighbor shower? And I'm like, what kind
of a question is that? She goes, would you ever
from the outside of her house watch your neighbor shower?
And I'm like, no, she goes, but could you? And
I said, well, her bath was on the first floor,
so physically, yeah, she goes, would you? And I was like,
of course not, that's creepy. Why why you ask me
that she goes? Just because you could doesn't mean you should,

(48:34):
and remember, never do it psychically. And once she framed
it like that, for me, I recognized that anybody who
has this ability has the ability to look at anybody
on the street and enter their vibration without their permission
and read and no stuff about them. And in that moment,
I recognize that it's never appropriate to enter someone's vibration

(48:55):
without their expressed permission. So it's not okay to ambush
reading someone, it's not okay to attack read someone. If
somebody did not ask me. Right, then it's not my
place to be going into their pockets, going into their
life pockets, going into their home, opening their drawers. Right.
That whole violated feeling that I had when I gave
that woman Lydia permission to read me. People can do that.

(49:17):
Anybody can do that if they do this work, and
it's not okay. Right, So in that moment, I recognize, oh,
now I have boundaries. I have boundaries and boundaries. But
I also heard from people at home like you need
to like she said, powered down. You can't just be
running a hundred miles an hour. Gordon, get go. Money
never sleeps was not correct. I have my greatest ideas
when I'm in the Hamptons, I'm meditating, I'm looking at

(49:38):
the water, I take a walk on the beach. They
all come. I solve problems versus like crowded, Let's do
it all, let's figure it all out, let's work on everything,
let's be great. You know that's not when the ideas come.
The best ideas to solve problems are between sleep and wake.
For me, I want to name something. I think of something.
It's when I'm just waking up and like it comes
to me because you've allowed your body to rest, so
can't it has to be the same with you because

(50:00):
you're expending so much of your personal energy on these people.
So the reality is, I'm always psychic. I can always
focus it, I can always turn it on, but I'm
most of the time keep it off. So unless I'm
going to be reading for someone, I'm I'm not expelling
the psychic energy in my everyday life. I am still

(50:20):
psychic in my knowledge. I still know everything that I know,
but I'm not actively. So if I was a singer,
I'm not singing the instrument is you're not using the
instrument all the time. I'm not using the instrument correct
But you personally also, there's something comes out of you
to do this, So it's probably giving yourself a little
bit of a healing process too for your just life
and your personal as you can see, like if you

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see the environment behind me, I need this, I get it.
I need I need this, I need I need order.
So for anybody that wants to know, like, how could
you empower your life get rid of the clutter. You
have to get rid of the clutter. You have to
have organization, you have to make sure that you have
some type of protocol and order in what you're doing.
Crisis run management is not success. So it's really important

(51:04):
to make sure that you have some type of order
to your thoughts. Um even if it means you're gonna
go today, just today and go organize your closing your
bathroom in your bedroom, you know, full things, get rid
of stuff. It's really important to make sure that you
have some type of energetic order as well. We're the
same person. I have to set myself up for emotional success.
I have to have my environment be peaceful. I'm an

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utterly organized person. But the same way as you, I
need to feel my happy place. I need to go
walk on the beach. I need to set myself up
for emotional and physical success. So that's very good advice
and true. And I think people don't focus as much
on that. People focus on being awake, not being asleep,
being up and on it and not relaxing. And I
think that's huge. Um. So when someone says, uh tea

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leaves tarot card psychic medium, are they all like they
all the same and can you do all of them?
Do these people that have this gift do they play
in all of these spaces or is it a specialization
in each in each area, I think there's a specialization.
So you know, to be psychic means that you're using
your intuitive abilities, and that might kind of get that

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and what are the abilities? The abilities are being able
to see energy, feel energy here, energy sense energy, smell, energy,
taste energy, right, downloads generically speaking right, That's how information
will come come across and and a psychic will use
that to talk about where you're at your life, hopefully
validate some things in the past, to validate that they
actually can do this, and then give you a projection.

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I personally don't like the word prediction because prediction makes
it seem like you can't change it, and the control
freaking me doesn't like that. I want to know that
I have control of from my future, so I know
that there are certain destiny faded moments that will happen
um and we learn our lessons through those. However, I
think how we get from point you know, a tow
b is free will, and if you don't like something,
we can probably altership to change that. The medium part

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of my ability I have to be psychic first, and
the medium part is now where somebody who's coming through
from the spirit world is going to give me information
about my client, and it feels very, very different. So
if I'm doing a reading, that's a specific skill set,
that's a different and not every psychic. And I want
everybody to know this, Not every psychic is a medium.

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And in two thousand, when I did crossing Over and
the word mediumship like became blown up, everybody in their
brother from a business standpoint, wanted to capitalize on that
started calling themselves mediums. They're not not every psychic as
a medium. Um. Like I have spent let's see, thirty
six years in this field and thirty six years studying astrology.
You will not hear me call myself an astrologer. I

(53:42):
will not read your astrological chart. I can talk about it,
I can have a conversation about it. But I respect
the fact that somebody has dedicated their life to astrology
and I'm going to refer that person to an astrologer
because that's what their field of expertise is. It's like
your general doctors saying no, no, no, you don't need
the cardiologist. Like I understand how the hard works, I'm

(54:04):
going to take care. No, you go to the cardiologist
when you have that issue. So I look at my
world in energy and as healthcare because my background comes
from healthcare. So for me, all of those things that
you talked about, taro, astrology, neurology, um tea, leaves, palm reading, psychometry,
all of that and like a like a scalpel in

(54:25):
the hands of a surgeon, I got I get it.
You know. The thing is that I think good takeaway energy.
It's something we all feel it. You go out one
night and either it's the room that there's just bad energy.
You can feel the energy. It's not something something's wearing.
It could be I have a bar in my outside
my house for some reason. You could go from my

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house into this outdoor bar. Every time someone walks in there,
they go crazy and dance and have the best time.
I want to stay there till four o'clock, and the
want to. There's an energy in that space. It's just
a fact their energy. It's programmed there. You program you
pro it's programmed like that, and that energy gets reinforced. Right.
So you know, you hear a lot about these paranormal

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haunting things and places that are haunted and it's got
bad energy and then people go there and then they
compound that bad energy and it becomes a thought form. Right,
So thoughts create reality. So whether a thought is being
created as a reality that that house is haunted and
when you go there, you now have a cognitive bias
that you're gonna see here and feel something woo woo. Right,
because I've gone to those places and I'm like, yeah,

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I don't like, I don't feel anything. I don't feel
anything to me. I feel like, you know, I went
to Stonehenge and I was like, They're like, what do
you feel? I'm like, damn, I feel damp, Like I
didn't feel anything mystical or or or cool. But then
I could be like in a in a in a
venue in in Scotland where I'm going to do an
event and go oh, this has got a really bad vibe,

(55:50):
or like it doesn't it doesn't feel good and find
out that there was a there was a fight in
the bar the night before I was there, So I
could sense the energy of that place. Right, it could
be flowing and moving and changing. Our thoughts manifest our reality. Right,
you program your future. So if you don't like something,
fire the program director of your life and then decide
what it is that you want to attract. Right, So,

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if you have a radio station and you want to
attract a young, hip, urban audience, are you going to
be playing Conway Twitty and you know, old country western music?
Absolutely not what you broadcast you're going to attract. So
if you want to attract a specific audience, you have
to broadcast the thoughts and the and the energy that's
going to pull that in. But even on a more

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micro if you're in an office and there's one person
that just doesn't have that good energy, and it can
pull the whole team down, and maybe that person is
not in the right spot or doesn't shouldn't belong here.
But I do say to people, don't spend a lot
of time around people that have negative energy. I feel
like a parasite. It sucks it out of you. I
feel like they pull off of you. I'm very scared

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of that stuff. Like I've heard people say people are
jealous of you, or people who you know don't want
your best interests. You can sort of feel it and
know it, and I just don't want to be around that.
Like I don't care people think about me not wanting
to be around that here's an aspect Bethany for your listeners.
When you do this work, psychic self defense is imperative.
Most people hear the psychics don't spend enough time protecting

(57:14):
their energy, right, So we hear about safe sex all
the time. Well, safe psychic is also something you want
to protect your energy. So in order for me to
do a reading for somebody and meditate, I will smudge
and sage my area, right, and then I will visualize
myself protected. So how do you do that? Well, you
could imagine yourself standing in a column of white light.

(57:35):
You can imagine yourself standing in a column like when
people got beamed up on Star Trek. You could use
whatever sci fi movie you want where you're standing in light,
but you ask for a protection and you kind of
dome yourself so that those people can't parasitically affect you,
and then you just choose not to allow that to
affect you. It's putting gloves on, like I don't I
don't want to touch the dog poop, So I'm gonna

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put gloves on. I'm gonna pick up the poop, I'm
gonna move it, take my gloves off, and now I'm done. Okay,
so now I want to talk a little bit about
you have a different type of perfect maybe not. Actors

(58:17):
have failed movies and other people have failed albums, and
you know, people in offices screw up, but but nobody
has a percent rate and you are in a highly
criticized profession. Everybody's just a detective and always trying. You're
starting from a place of everybody wanting to say you're
a scam. You're you're not. You know. That's so that's
a hard place to be starting. You know, Um, people

(58:39):
don't lawyers a little bit. People walk in and think
they're scammers, but like people don't think that about most
doctors or most you know whoever, So my question is, um,
do you do you get caught up ever in the
wanting to prove it, like being embarrassed about if you
miss your hits? Your miss is your highs, your lows,
your batting average, Like do you I'm sure you used

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to more than now, but like how does that work
in your life? And and um, it's you're supposed to
miss sometimes because you're a human being and because nobody
you know, Babe Ruth didn't hit a home run every
single time, So how does that whole thing work mathematically, emotionally,
that whole section I'm talking about. So as a kid,

(59:22):
when I was doing this work, I would literally be
like wrapped around your leg as you were leaving my office,
going like they were here, you know, like that type
of thing, like needing them to know. Over a period
of time, what I kind of really embraced was a message,
probably the greatest gift I was given in this field. Well,
someone said to me, just remember you don't always have

(59:45):
to be right, but you have to strive to be accurate. Now,
what that means in this field is that you're not
going to come from a place of ego needing to
be right. You're going to strive to get as much
information I as clearly across as possible, which means that
you're going to have enough ego to allow yourself to

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do it, but not so much that you have to
be like always right. Well, the client always has to react.
Sometimes I have a sheet of paper that people have
done with and I'm like, listen, I don't know what
this is, but I needed to write this down in
case I screwed it up. I want you to remember,
you know what something you know might be and there
is a process, right, So I went and got tested

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at the University of Arizona. Dr Gary Schwartz was doing something.
HBO was doing a documentary called Life Afterlife America Undercover
and it was a documentary that was green lit by
HBO and they reached out to me and said would
you be a part of this? And I was like,
m m man, I don't really like TV. I prefer radio,

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but maybe And I said, well, we have a Harvard
Heal trained scientist that wants to run experiments on the
subject matter. That was intriguing for me because I'm like,
wait a minute, that's like professional, like that is like
somebody just someone wants us to stand up for what
we do. So then another medium named Susiana Northrop called
me and said, are you going to do this? I

(01:01:07):
got I got called called for this. She's like, I
kind of feel like we should do this, like they
want to study us, Like shouldn't we do it? Yeah?
Like I feel like we should do this. And another
medium called me and said, do not do this. It's
a setup. They're gonna expose you or try to expose
mediums as frauds. And I'm like, I don't feel that right,

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So long story short, he chooses not to do it,
but literally tells me that this is what the genesis
of this is. He declines it three two or three times,
and we go and do it. It was a really
positive experience. You can go look it up. Life Afterlife
HBO American cover. Okay, so this was It was produced
by Lucky Duck Entertainment and the journalist Linda Ellerby. Right,

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so she's like a journalist journalist, right, who does it? Okay,
so fast forward. It was a very positive experience. There's
a whole book written about the afterlife experiments and the
how they ruled out mind reading, facial cues, reading body language,
they set up all the double blind studies. Okay. So
now it's years later and I'm at a celebrity's house

(01:02:11):
who used to run up a poker game and I
happened to, you know, frequently, go once a week, and
Linda Ellerby happens to be there one night and she
says to me, hey, do you know the back story
of that that production? And I went, no, I go,
but thank you for including me. I said, it was
it was a great experience. I said, I felt like

(01:02:31):
I contributed to raising awareness. She goes, yeah, she goes,
we were actually hired to expose mediums as fraud and
I like looked at her and I went what and
she went, yeah, we were exposed to hire. We were
we were hired to expose you guys as frauds. And
I said, well, that wasn't the outcome of your documentary

(01:02:52):
and she said no, it wasn't. I said, can I
ask you, Linda, like, what changed? She goes you. She goes,
you changed the trajectory of the documentary. She goes, I
couldn't as a journalist with my team go back to
HBO and do what they asked because we found different experiences.

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And I just literally sat there. I looked at my
wife because she knew the backstory of the other medium,
going don't do it, don't do it. And she looked
at me and she was like, well, that is a
compliment you should take to the grave, like that is
a that is absolutely huge. So that wasn't him too.
He called it, he did he feel it gat him too.
He was he was a real medium. He was absolutely correct.

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So I was like, wow, that wasn't so that was
pre crossing over. So I did that and then crossing
over happened. That made you feel legitimate. That made you
feel the most legitimate, because that was like something literally
designed for you to crash and you don't even know
it and you thrived. Yeah, it wasn't that I felt legitimate, Bethany.
It was more like I felt like I stood up
for the work. He stood up for the work. But
that was courageous. Wow. So I want not just me,

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by the way, just me, the other mediums involved, like
we all energetically, you know. I just had the opportunity
to have that conversation with Linda, but I feel like
it was like all of us that did that. That's amazing.
That sounds like a turning point for the industry too,
you know. Um, So, I won't keep you too much longer.
This is fascinating, and I can keep you on for
an hour. I would love to, but I don't want
to do that to you. So this is um so

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effectively what you've been saying is that everybody has it
in them. But will you ever walk by a carnival
for fun? Do you have kids? You have kids? And
if there's a woman with a crystal ball and cards,
do you ever do it? Do you ever stop and
just sitting seat. Never you don't. Okay, So what percentage
of these people are scams? I would think a good

(01:04:42):
percentage of people who are good percentage. I always tell
people to be very very weary about like especially with
social media right now, Like I spend so much time
on Facebook, Instagram and in my comment section having to
direct message people after they've direct messaged me back because
they they're getting scammed or spammed spam scammed? How are

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they know? Where people are saying like, I've got a
message for you, you know, contact me, and and people
don't even realize that it's not me, like just because
it's it's a comment on my page, they just go okay,
but they don't they don't realize that if they click
on that there's no blue verified check mark, right And
and I thought, well, all right, well maybe it's just

(01:05:23):
like some people just or maybe they don't read. But
then people that I knew were like, dude, why are
you asking me for like, you know, for money on
on Instagram? I'm like, what are you talking about? And
then they'll send me the thing. I'm like, dude, that's
not even me, you know me, like you think that's
me you know. So it's the equivalent of getting the email,
Hey I'm in a different country and I lost my passport.

(01:05:44):
Like it's like it's one of those Yeah, but I
but what you are saying, which is interesting for this listener,
is that if you feel that you have something or someone,
you've seen the signs or someone's talked to you, and
this has spoken to you, like anything else, it's a
craft to work on. Go stop working on it and
seeing if you're getting results. There's an ability that's Yeah,

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That's what I want people to do, is I want
people to look at life through an energetic lens. I've
got an eighteen year old son. I've got a fourteen
year old daughter. Both of them have been raised in
the realm of understanding the world of energy and metaphysics
and to look at life and use the tools of
astrology and numerology to understand who they are, um what
their path is. You know, she's a successful actress. He's
he'sn't going to be school to become a doctor. Neither

(01:06:26):
one of them do what I do, but they understand
it as a language. Yeah. I like to demystify the
subject matter. I like to get rid of the whole,
like I'm special and instricted, right, it is an energy
if somebody worked, like here's the best best I feel
body work when when they'll put their hands just over
my body, they're not touching me, and I feel it.

(01:06:47):
So that's energy from their body going into my body.
Craniosa yea and yeah. And people have literally been healed.
I mean there's studies. It's scientific that people have been
healed by people's hands now even actually touching your skin.
So there is obviously something's energy is strong. I like
that just to say to people doesn't matter if you
want to be quote unquote a professional medium, you just

(01:07:10):
can have it in your life. Which I love that. Um,
So a couple more questions and they'll let you go. Um,
highs and lows, the high of your career and the
low of your career. So this is a rose and
a thorn, the high and the low through a great question. Um,
the high of my career. I don't know if I
can even answer that. I don't think. I don't know

(01:07:31):
if I have an answer for that. I think I
think the high of my career would be a theme,
and it's a collective theme. Accumulation of watching the lights
go on in people's eyes, to know that there's something else,
and that when they lose a loved one and they
think they're gone, that that grief, that that that canyon

(01:07:52):
of grief that people feel lost in, that they could
find their way out knowing that there's something else and
that they're not alone. That to me would be the
high that you know, and that life and love eternal
um the low part um, you know, I guess the
low part would just be knowing that I have to
I have two options. You know, I'm either this heinous

(01:08:13):
person who's taking advantage of grieving people, or I'm delusional
and crazy, you know. But I guess I respect that
because I was that person when I first came in
the field. So I have a little bit of a like,
I know what you're at, you know, you just you
don't know like I learned. And so I guess that's
probably the closest. People will always think of you as

(01:08:35):
the Emperor without clothes. No matter what, You'll always be
some Yeah, it's just the it's the life you chose. Well,
you know. Either even either I'm the person that you know,
really helped someone, you know, and I have the emails
and letters and you know, go on Facebook to you know,
to prove that, or you can just google South Part
you know, season six, I think episode fifteen where they've
named me the biggest duche of the universe. So it's

(01:08:57):
like like, you know, I have I have both ends
and inspect room, and that's okay. And that's okay because
I'll take that and I'll take all the negatives that
come with it for the next time. I'm sitting in
front of her parent who's lost a child and I
can help them know that their kids okay. Or the
person who's lost their loved ones from COVID and couldn't
be in the room, and I can help them know
that their loved ones are okay. And we're met by

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people have gone on before them, because nobody passes alone.
So you know, death brings so many unanswered questions for
people in circumstances, and sometimes they don't get answered in
the reading. But when we find that there's a survival
of consciousness and that life and love eternal, that to
me is a reward. And you how long have you
been married? Years? So what would be your some of

(01:09:40):
the guidelines or tools that you go to when things
aren't great, or just to keep your marriage together. Not
that you have any problems. I'm just saying I talked
to people about successful relationships, and everybody has the most
unique wisdom, from giving each other space, to connecting once
a day to fixing themselves not the other person. So
what would be your SUCCE relationship advice? I think being friends?

(01:10:03):
You know, Like my son had asked me many years
ago when he was a kid. He goes, would you
ever cancel mommy out? And I didn't know what. I
didn't know really what was asking me? And I'm like,
I don't know, I said, justin Dadd's got a pretty
big personality. I go, is that what you're asking me? Like? Like,
am I too big for my Like? What is the question?
He goes, No, one of his friends his parents were
getting divorced. He goes, would you ever? And I go, oh,

(01:10:23):
would mom and daddy even get divorced? I go, well,
here's the good news even if we wound up getting divorced, right,
because sometimes you never know what happens in a in
a in a future. If there's a lesson there for
one of us, Um, here's what you just need to know.
We actually genuinely like each other as people, so it
really wouldn't matter. So I think friendship is important, you know,

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Like I feel like I'm a character that she could
write for a TV show. She's a character that I
could write for a TV show, Like we know the
character so well. Yeah, and it doesn't matter in like,
like you know, with the pandemic. I've been home for
like eighteens and nothing on the road. It's the first
time I've been around her this long, for so long,
and you know, she'll jokingly say, like, isn't there some

(01:11:07):
city or state to be in, like, you know, time
for you to go packy bags, let's go. Yeah, And
I like that because most people, you know, I think
that Hollywood, with with images, is trying to make every
relationship perfect. And I like to talk about the embrace
the imperfections. It gives other people hope and makes them
feel that their life is real and just tools to
have a successful, realistic relationship, you know, without the fairy

(01:11:28):
tale princess aspect of it. Um. Okay, so did you
did you while we were talking and I'm not asking
you to read me? Were you like thinking about me
reading me? Anything? Did you like that doesn't happen, like,
were you picking up who I am or I am not?
Is that? How does it work like that? Or no
people talking at a restaurant. Yeah, no, I was just

(01:11:49):
really enjoying the questions and you actually when you said
the whole when you jump you fly, Yeah, you jump
you fly, because I said, you know, when I jumped
my sword, So that was kind of cool, like I
was like a cool parallel. Well, I appreciate the time.
What an interesting interview. Well, I'm so thrilled to have
met you. I know we have friends in common and um,
you're close, so maybe we'll all get together because I'm

(01:12:10):
literally an away from you now. But I just appreciate
the time. So congratulations on everything, and I love to
your family and thank you so much. All righty, thanks
for having me. Wow that was John Edward. He is
a person that is known in the world as a

(01:12:33):
successful medium, but he doesn't think of himself as a medium.
He talks about himself as a writer. He does speaking engagements,
he's an educator. But the thing that I took away
the most was that he's saying we all have it
in us, meaning it's about energy and like anything else,
It's not about somebody just sitting outside a tent with

(01:12:55):
a crystal ball. It's that he focuses on this instrument, this,
this craft, this thing that he realized reluctantly early on
in his life that was a path that he should
embark on. And he was certainly not in an environment
where that would be a normal thing to do, so
it definitely compelled him. So um, it's just interesting for

(01:13:18):
us all to think whether you believe or don't believe,
you definitely believe that you know things happen for a reason,
or that certain rooms have good energy or bad energy,
or that a friend has a good energy or bad energy.
So it's just something for us to all think about that.
It was a great conversation, different conversation with someone in
a different profession, but yet still a person who has
created a successful business and has been on an interesting journey.

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And we can learn from so many different people, so
many different paths to success. So thank you again, Rate,
review and subscribe. That was really really interesting and I
love bringing different people on. I just love that I
can learn so much about a business from Ben and Jerry,
from Jeffrey Katz, and from Cameron Diaz from John Edward.

(01:14:02):
You know, I'm intentionally bringing on different people who I
just think might have an interesting story. Suzanne Summers, so
many people said you have the most interesting story. It's
just people that we would never really get to hear
how they got to where they are, so I love it. Um,
I'm glad you do too, and have a wonderful day.