April 4, 2024 • 53 mins
Cynthia Bailey and her daughter Noelle take over the Mommy and Me mic to discuss the dynamic of their relationship as a mother and adult daughter.
What’s too much detail when discussing relationships? Is it strange to still track her location?
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hi, you guys. It's me Cynthia Bailey. Here. I'm here
with my daughter Noel for the first episode of Mommy
and Me. And we're so excited. We are. So we're
gonna do a toast. We can drink together now, which
is quick. She's four, which she has a love hate
relationship with I really did. We'll get into that, and
(00:34):
we're gonna cheers to my first seeding strength my peach Bellini.
That's what I'll be happy. What are you drinking? I'm
having some moscato. Excuse me, my cheers, cheers us and
cheers to this first episode. Should I be worried about
some of the stuff you're gonna say? Always always runaway
train over here. She doesn't say a lot, but when
(00:55):
she does, it's like a lot. So let's just jump
right into it. Wow, Okay, this is the first time
we've really done anything like this. Yeah, so I'm a
little mortified but excited. All right, explain your relationship as
mother and daughter. Our relationship you want to go first? Yeah,
I'll go first.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So I would say our relationship is very complex, but
I feel like it's functional. I feel like the way
that we operate as mom and daughter probably wouldn't work
for a lot of other people, but for us, I'll
say that, and I feel like we're very, very close,
which is really good in a lot of ways. But
it does cause us to clash in.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
A lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
But there are ways that I wouldn't regret because I
just want to be close to I think it's like
with anybody, like a mother daughter relationship is like a
relationship with so many different aspects, like with a friend,
with another family member and relationships. You know, if you
spend so much time with anybody, even if you love them,
you know, sometimes you guys can bump pedsulm.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yes, that's very true. And then for me, I would
say our relationship is like I'm your mom, but we're friends.
And I know everyone's like, don't be friends with your kids,
Like you can't be friends with your children. That is
some bullshit, okay, because I have to be your friend
because if I'm not your friend, I you know, there's
(02:17):
no real communication. I don't know what's going on. You
don't trust me to tell me and keep me in
the loop of all the things that you're doing. And
I want to know everything. I want to know everything
that you have going on, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
She's also like a helicopter mom, so I feel like
she couldn't even have the amount of like information control
that she wants to have if she wasn't also my friend.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So wait, it's true. I'm a helicopter Yes, you like,
basically your face should be in the dictionary by helicopter
mom because okay, well we're gonna move on to yeah,
we'll like anyway. I believe in being friends with your children,
and I know a lot of people don't, but for
us it works. I'm not, you know, only one child,
(03:00):
so I can only tell you what works for us.
And I mean I don't even like her to be
mad at me, Like, not only do I want to
be friends, I want to make sure that we never
really have you know, we're not mad at each other
for too long, and we'll get into that stuff exactly,
all right, Noel, do you like being an only child? Yes?
So I get this question so much. I love being
(03:23):
an only child. I really wouldn't trade it for the world.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
But also, I think you need to say that when
you don't have any siblings or you don't have an
experience of anything else.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I like the extra attention, but sometimes it could be
bad because I am her only child, so like she
can extra focus on all. Okay, so I could see
how maybe it would have taken some of that pressure off.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But I could say I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
No, I think you definitely enjoy it has more pros
and than cons. For me, I'd say, right, it works
for her because I used to feel bad, especially as
I get older. I just celebrated my fifty seventh birthday,
and I often think about, like, you know, when I
go to heaven, I know, but you know, I'm not
gonna be it forever. But when I do go on,
(04:12):
like sometimes I wish you had a sister, someone else
that you know, someone else you could lean on to
protect each other, you know what I mean, like someone else.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And your dad is like older too, so you know
at some point, you know, I don't want to get
more of it, but okay, at that point, like I
always felt a little bad about not no, not having
a brother or sister, someone else in her life that
she could depend on. But she's made it pretty clear
that she's like, no, I'm good, I can figure it out, okay, Like,
(04:47):
and did I always want one kid. You know what,
I really am a want and done kind of girl
when it comes to like being a mom, Like and
I wore her ouse anymore to a lot. It was
really almost like having triplets like you are. There's a
lot of layers that you have. So yeah, I'm good
with one. I can't imagine love two or three of you. No,
(05:10):
all right, So what is your favorite thing about each other?
What is your favorite thing about me? Take your time.
I mean, there's there's so many things, so it's just
more so just picking one.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I would say, I love how authentic you are, Like
you're just very much so yourself. Like it's like, this
is who I am, this is what works for me,
this is what doesn't work for me. And you're not
afraid to make mistakes and just try to do something
even if it fails.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And that's something I'm not afraid to look crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, like, and that's honestly something I feel is really
admirable because I feel like some people, even including myself,
sometimes I will be afraid to do something because I
feel like I don't want to like fail publicly or
you know, just even put myself out there in a
way that oh if it if it doesn't work out.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
It would be bad. But like with you, you're just like
I'm just doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Whether it's like a business opportunity or relationship anything, she
just kind of it just goes after it, and you know,
if it fails, she just looks as it like you
look said as a lesson and just like moves forward.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
That's true. That's true. That's sorry, that's true. Okay, what
is my favorite thing about you? I think my favorite
thing about you is like you're very like when you
want something, you're gonna get it. Like when Noah focuses
on doing something or something that she wants, like I
(06:29):
just don't even fight her on it because it's gonna happen.
If she's going to get it, that's going to be
her obsession and her focus and she's not gonna stop
until it happens. So I learned a long time ago,
like Okay, if this is what she wants, then I
mean as well, just like what can I do to
help you get it? Because I know you're gonna let
it get Also like the scorpio and it is it
(06:51):
is a scorpio. These scorpio people out here, when I
say you do not they're going to get what they want.
You don't want to piss them off because I could
takes years. They're going to pay you back. They're going
to get their lick back, no matter what, even if
there even if you're their mother, They're going to get
their linked back. Sometimes I'm like, we've moved past that,
(07:12):
and then it just comes back up and bites me
in the butt just when I forgot all about it.
I might tell you and joke, but I'll never tell you.
She is not wrong. She's not wrong, And I honestly
think that I'm like one of the better, more evolved
scorpios out here. So that's just your lick back. Yeah,
well the thing is coming. But even if the lick
(07:33):
back is just me upgrading and just doing better in life,
you know what I mean? Right, No, it's true. Okay,
So what is your biggest dick about each other? This
one is super easy for me, Okay, Okay, So I
would say it's actually two things. So one of my
eggs about you is she gets like very hostile about
(07:55):
like food, like if I have some food, and it's
just the pie story. Yeah, this is also very fresh
and it was a real tread. Yeah, we really fell out.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Like it was like a really bad fallout actually about
a blueberry pie from Airwan. I went to the grocery store.
I asked her, Hey, do you want anything from Airwan?
I literally actually told her. I said, hey, I'm thinking
about getting this slice. It's a slice of poe, a
slice of pie. And she's like, no, no, like I
(08:29):
don't want anything.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I'm like, because I'm trying to be good and be
strong because I still need to lose probably a good
like fifteen pounds. But anyway, so of course I turned
down the pie. But anyway, keep on. So she said no.
I was like, okay.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I came home and then a couple hours he she's like,
oh my god, I'm craving something sweet. So I offer,
being the nice person that I thought I was being,
and I was like, hey, you can have like half
of my slice of pie.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah exactly, she she I like, like blueberry pie. I
eated it up for her. I plated it and I
served her with some ice cream. You did, I did?
That was fair? So I brought upstairs. She had the pot.
She said, oh my god, this is so good. I
was like, I know, which is why I bought it.
I've been sleeping on blueberry pie for years apparently, like
I'm more of like a sweet potato pie or the
(09:21):
cam pie, like any other pie. I never think about
blueberry pie.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And keep in mind, I am I have a major
sweet tooth, and you know as a girl, like I'm
around that time where like I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Crazy sweet stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So, like I was very much so looking forward to
eating my second slice, and I you know when you
like plan out something like you're like, I'm gonna eat
this at this time, and I was planning.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It out, okay, So what happened? So basically she.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Was like can I have the other slice of pie?
And I was like no, no, and she was like wow,
like and you can you can explain all right.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well from there, I just didn't think it was that
big of a deal, Like she just kept waiting so
long to eat the pie. I ate it like right away,
and then I felt like if she, I mean, she
could always go get another slice. And I just feel
like I don't really ask that much, Like I literally
asked you for nothing, but for some reason, you asked
me for fifty things a day. You probably asked me
for thirty things today. I did not today again, I
(10:25):
literally asked you for nothing. She like, I never asked
for anything, but I do not. But then I got it.
This pie was so good, so I was like, you know,
I want, I want it, just like can you just
give me this one thing? And she was like no,
And then I just was like this is I just
think you're just a mean spirited person.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah no, because my whole thing is she was crazy
and as if I was just purposely just like stripping
something away from her that I know she's so that's
really wanted, when in reality, I went to the grocery store.
I asked her if she wanted me to get her
something and she said no, and then I offer her
(11:07):
half of it and I did want the other half.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Okay,
So I know this sounds like simple and like kind
of crazy, but when I tell you, we really had
a moment and I apologize, which I think is very
important and a mom daughter or just a mom dynamic
with their kids. I think as parents sometimes we feel
(11:31):
like and this is very old school because I'm old
school because I'm old basically, so I was raised like this,
like you just can stand in what you stand in
as a pair. You don't have to explain nothing. You
don't have to give excuses or reasons. You like, I
just said it is what it is. If you don't
like it, So what I'm your mom? Well those days
are gone because you know, are kids of this generation.
(11:51):
They want more dialogue and more communication and more answers
to the things that we say and just like mutual respect.
I did accept accountability and I did apologize and we
were able to move on. Yeah, all right, so oh
(12:14):
that was your biggest egg. Okay, that was alone. That
was a long one.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Wait, I didn't say my second one. So she gets
upset when I like get her, like I.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Can butt my knee on something. She'd be like, oh wow,
what did you do that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I'm like it was an accident, Like if I like,
if something happens in my car gets like a flat tie,
if anything happens that is really outside of my control.
She gets upset at me, and I'm just like, I'm
already just already inconvenient for me, and then you're upset
at me.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
So I'm just like, because I don't want to get hurt,
Like I don't I hate like even when you were
a child like if you I don't think you ever
fell down for like, so you were like I don't
know ten or something, because even if I thought.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You were gonna fall, I would like literally dive underneath
you and break the fall somehow and be like you're
gonna you're it. And that does not serve me that
well as you've gotten older, because I can't protect you
from everything. If you have a flat tire, you just
called it is like you she like somehow figures out
how it's my fault, like where were you? Like what
(13:15):
were you doing? Well, my biggest with you is we
have a Oh god, I think, yeah, you know what
I'm going to say, I have a tracker. Okay, that's
not what I think. What did you think I was?
I thought you're going to talk about the heat of blanket,
So the heat a blanket. Don't even get me started.
(13:36):
That's gonna come back up. So I have a tracker
on the wall, not because I want to know where
she is and what she's doing her business. That's not why.
It's really not why. It's really not why. I have
a track and she has a tracker on me, like
I'm tracking her, she's tracking me. Everybody's tracking each other. Okay,
everybody got a truck.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's only because it's both ways. There's no way that
you could have my location without me.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, anyway, I don't care about you knowing where I am.
I actually would love you to know where I am.
So because I'm never anywhere that I wouldn't want you
to know where I'm at, which is kind of set.
But actually that have that boarding of life that there
is nothing that I'm trying to actually hide forgive so
but anyway, but the problem with the tracker is I
(14:21):
have it, but sometimes she doesn't share her like it
goes off. You don't have it connected, which is crazy
because for me it's only about like my piece, and
the tracker gives me peace. I don't care where you're going,
where you're doing, like I don't care you twenty four
and like you're grown. You can do whatever you want
to do. I just want to, as a mom, make
sure you made it there safely and you made it
back home safely. And until I see your dress pop
(14:44):
up saying that your face on that tracker is at home,
I can't go to sleep until that happens. So it's
for my peace, I'm not trying to be nosy. I'm
really not. Okay, keep in mind, this is the same person.
So on the tracker, she can also see how fast
I'm driving. She can also see my battery percentage. And
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she used to call me and like go off and
be like, why is your phone on fifteen or or
eight or whatever? Not knowing the context. You couldnot be
ans with your phone three percent, because that's what the
tracker won't even work if your phone doesn't understand. But
she has to know the context.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So it's like I could have i could be out
and I could have a charger in my purse, and
I know, once I get to a certain percent, I'm
going to plug it in. But like she'll just go
and call me full scheme, not even knowing the context.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I just want to charge your phone. It's like stress,
but I never should get under.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
But you should not ever know what my battery percentage is.
In my opinion, I feel like that's like too much,
too much.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Okay, I'll let you have that one. I'll let you
have that one again. My goal is just to make
sure you are safe. So if you want to drive
around these streets with three percent battery on your phone,
and then she'll call me as well because she can
see how fast and driving it should without contact. Slow down?
Why are you driving? I haven't done that in a
(16:07):
long time, but I have. Okay, all right, so the
other thing and then I'm gonna let it go. We
have to move on. I don't like when well, she
gets mad at me if I call her and she
doesn't answer the phone. So or and if you know,
you're good about sending a text and ham on the
phone and busy whate whatever, but if you don't, if
I don't get that text, I try to give you
(16:29):
a grace period of I don't know, a minute, and
then if you don't call back, I will call again
my phone and I will keep calling until she answers,
because I immediately think, as a mom, something is wrong. This
girl always answers the phone when I call. But when
she doesn't, I flip out, and I think, oh my lord,
now I can't even focus on anything until you confirm
(16:50):
that you are alive. You know. I sometimes have to shower.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I sometimes go to get my lashes done, like certain
things where I physically cannot see or be near the phone.
So I tell her like, hey, I can't always like
give me some type of twenty minute grace period or
even sometimes like you know, if I'm on a date
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Like sometimes you know, like I can't just pick up
the phone.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, like it's not always a good time to be
like hello, like mom, if some like can you give
me a grace period without me receiving like eight phone
calls back to back to back and like you basically
sending a search party out for me.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Okay, I don't think I do that as much as
I used to. I think I've gotten better, So we
can move on. I think the operative word is you
think Okay, all right, if we could collapse on something,
what would it be? What would you want to collapse?
But we actually wanted want to do a podcast together? Yeah,
you know that's talking about like our relationship and like
(17:54):
my perspective on being mom and her perspective on being
you know, my daughter, and also just start our own
conventional like the unconventional way I was raised, you know. True,
it's definitely a lot of different layers. Yeah, I would
say a podcasts for sure. All right, So we're back.
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What's one piece of advice you would give to other
mothers and daughters to strengths and their bond.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
The advice that I would give, honestly is to treat
your relationship like a team, like a partnership, because I
think sometimes what ends up happening is, you know, at
the end of the day, we're all human and we
all make mistakes. It doesn't matter how old you are, Like,
she's gonna make mistakes. I'm gonna make mistakes. I'm gonna
make mistakes as a child, She's gonna make the mistakes
(18:50):
as a parent. But I think what I really can
value about our relationship that I think continuously improves our
relationship is the fact that we both told each other accountable.
And there's like, oh, I'm the parents, so what I'm
saying is right. There's no like, oh I'm a kid,
I'm just gonna be rebellious like whatever. It's like we're
actually trying to understand, trying to take accountability. And one
(19:12):
thing I can say about you is that you consistently
are open to criticism and you're open to just taking
accountability and improving.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, and you're.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Just because you know you are older, Like you said,
a lot of people that are older are just like this.
Is how I like, I'm stuck in my ways, this
is how that's how I've always been whatever. But just
because that's how you've always been doesn't mean it's serving.
And I feel like you're definitely open to that perspective
and getting that feedback. Well, you may not be open
when I initially give it, but you know you're open.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I come around, I don't shut you down, I don't
cut you off at the knees exactly. I would say
the best way for a mom and daughter to strengthen
their relationship is to just have affected communication, Like you
just cannot take that out of the equation and own
That goes back to the friendship part of the friendship dynamic.
(20:05):
In our relationship, we talk about everything, like I call
her about every single thing she tells me, all her stuff,
like some things like I want to know, and then
some things I don't want to know. So communication, communication, communication.
If your child does not want to talk to you,
however old or young they are, that is going to
be a problem because you're not going to know what
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the heck is going on ever, and you want to
encourage them to feel like they can talk to you
about everything, because when they do that, you can prevent
certain things from happening, Like they're going to just leave
in life and do a bunch of dumb stuff. But
like if there, if you guys talk all the time,
you may get to say, hey, you know what, that
doesn't sound like the best idea. Why don't you come
up with another idea, you know what I mean? And
(20:49):
then just if you can't control your kid, but like
you can help guid exactly they're gonna do what they're
gonna do anyway, but you can at least sleep saying well,
hey I told you when you ask me, you know,
not run it in that face, but just and hey,
I'm over here for a reason. I have lived for
a very long time. I've done a lot of dumb stuff.
I've made a lot of mistakes. So you're talking to
(21:10):
someone who has lived so not just giving you, you know,
information and stuff out of my but like I stand
on like the stuff that I'm telling you because I
know what I've been through.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But I think part of that as a parent, and
this is obviously like once you get past a certain.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Point is being able to know when to take.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
The disciplinarian have off and be a front because I think,
because I think there's some points where it's like you
do have to be like hey.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
No, like this was like right and be a but
you just have to come down with you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
And then there's other things where it's like I know
I'm telling her a story that may not have been
like something that I made the best decisions, and I
know that she can't she won't put.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
On that hat and she'll just genuinely just be a
front and give me that sound advice. Because if I
felt like you would just be a disciplinarian at every
turn no matter what I said, I just wouldn't say so.
And it doesn't mean that I wouldn't do them, I
just wouldn't tell her, which I don't really feel like
you serve me either one of them, right, you know,
And that's called being out of the loop because they
(22:09):
don't feel comfortable telling you stuff exactly, and trust me,
you'd rather know than not. So do I ever embarrass you? Yes?
Do you embarrass me when you always try to do
like those dancing videos on Instagram and on the show,
like when you tried to do the pole dancing class
that was kind of horrific. For me, I actually did
(22:32):
a great job in that pole dancing class. You know
that I kind of killed it. To be honest, I
personally don't feel about Yeah I met, but everyone loves
my Do you know how many likes and comments I
get when I guess I should do more dancing videos.
As a matter of fact, I've meant to actually focus
on doing more dancing videos in twenty twenty four, but
(22:55):
I just got busy with the acting and you know
all the other you know, jobs and stuff that I
have going on. But I wish I would love to
do at least drop a couple of dancing videos a
week on my social media. Just because you're getting a
lot of engagement with something doesn't mean that it's necessarily
like positive, Like, well, people make fun of me, Yeah,
(23:17):
that's what I'm saying, Like they have a sin. I mean,
they still enjoy it, like it, but they're not they're
not laughing with you, you know what I mean. They're
laughing like that's something that I'm embarrassed about because it's like, oh,
you're like my friends just like here's your mom like
basically trying to work on Instagram, and I'm like, yes,
(23:38):
that is her that is indeed my mom that you
just saw. Indeed, Well, I love to dance, and I
just think at this point in my life, I should
just be allowed to just do what I want to do.
If I want to dance, even if people make fun
of me, they can just let the photo put their
(23:59):
laugh emode and let me move on with my life. Agreed.
So most I'm not things, but most people, most people's
moms also, like don't have like millions and millions of followers,
so it's like it wouldn't be yeah, you know what
I mean. Well, I've had a couple of go by
I will say, agree, which I thought was a good Okay,
how would you describe me in three words? I would
(24:22):
say ambitious, classy, and authentic. Thank you, Iver Seved That
have you always felt comfortable telling me everything? Not always.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I think as a kid you go through like those
little rebellious years when you're a teenager where you just
kind of just go rogue.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And I didn't at that point feel so comfortable telling
you everything. But I think I did come around pretty
quickly and sooner than most kids do. Yeah, like you
probably like it was like maybe a year or two
I didn't like the teen, fourteen and fifteen. Those years,
there was a lot of like closed doors, a lot
(25:05):
of like hey, you think, no, I'm fine, Hey, how
was your day? It was good? But you know how
it is like like it was like everybody goes to
that town that like one word thing where like they
you just know they don't like you, and you're just
asking basic questions like would you like some food and
you're like no mine. You're like, but you haven't eaten.
I'm good. Can you please leave me alone? I feel
(25:28):
like it's like they're terrible twos, but like in teenage years,
like people go through thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old Oh
my god, Like I was like, and then you come
around and realize like, oh, we actually need this person.
This person is actually trying to help me survive. Yeah,
open the door and let me back in. Like it was.
That was tough. That was really tough. How do you
(25:48):
feel about hearing about my dating life? It's like, I
don't really mind it, just because we do have the
type of relationship where we're very unfiltered with each other.
And I mean, not gonna lie, there's still some moments
I'm like, m this was kind of a lot that
you just told me. But overall, I like being able
to just like shed like some light on my perspective
(26:10):
on things, just because I feel like the way that
I navigate dating just in my age group, in the
way you guys navigate dating and your age group is
just so different and there's so many different terms and
different pieces of information that you don't know about and
vice versa with me. Right well, what I love is
that you're able to help me navigate a little bit.
(26:32):
Because again, I'm old school, so I'm used to people
just picking up phone and calling me if they want
to talk to me. If I want to talk to them,
I just call them back right away. I text back.
If you text me, I text you back right away.
I'm just very like, okay, so you're trying to get
to know me, so this is how this should go.
(26:53):
But unfortunately, this is a different time. This is different,
like dating is different now, and like I honestly, I've
been single for like a couple of years now, and
it's been very difficult to just try to figure out
like even if someone even likes you or not. I'm like, well,
wait a minute, you win my dams for ten years,
(27:14):
like you reached out to me. So now that I
finally responded, aren't you supposed to be kind of excited
about it and call me all the time and text
me all the time? And you've sat in these dams
all this time wanting my attention and when I finally
give it to you, now I can't get you on
the phone. Yeah, I would. That's like definitely a piece
of dating advice that I feel like I shared with her.
(27:36):
If there's ever a situation. Obviously I wouldn't say this
is like one hundred percent of the time, but I
would probably say ninety five. If you've ignored somebody in
your dams or just in general that has been trying
to pursue you, and then you finally like circle around,
just don't even do it because they're gonna like put
you through it, Like seriously, it's just not worth it
because I didn't because I've made them wait so long.
(27:59):
If you yet, if you ignored it, just keep ignoring you.
That's just the best thing that I can say. Like
I'm not going to say.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It will never work out, but well, I ignored it
because I was in a relationship at the time.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
But now that I'm single, I'm like, okay, so now
spend the block Like, Okay, now you will get a
different outcome if you come for me, because I can
actually go for a coffee with you or whatever whatever
people do. Now, yeah, okay, who is your celebrity crush?
But do you know who? Minus? You don't know who
my celebrity crushes? Do you have a couple of I
(28:33):
do not. I have one that I have consistently named
and called out. It's not a rapper. And like I
literally have on every major platform talked about the celebrity
crush it. Who was it? You really don't know what
it is? Okay? When I said we tell each other everything,
(28:54):
I don't know you talk about a lot of people.
One soelebrity crush on this planet. Okay, So when I
tell you, can I tell you who I thought it was?
I thought it was fifty Cent's fifty cent? What I mean,
I don't have anything against fifty cent. I mean we
do share a nickname, like I'm fifty cent fifty c Why,
(29:15):
Like we listened to a lot of his music. Still, well,
I love his music, but I don't have a crush
on him. He's not my celebrity crush. Like I would
like to meet him one day because I just I'm
all the way I think I know what it is?
Is it the guy from the podcast over right? He
just just Okay, I'm just gonna say yes because I
don't want to like, yeah, we're gonna like snaggle through
(29:38):
like ten people. Go ahead, Noel for Robinson, my first
born and only born child. My celebrity crush, for the
love of God is Letty. I would have yeah, you've
mentioned this, but I wouldn't guessed that one. Okay, I'm
so hurt and disappointed that you don't know that about me.
(30:00):
This is like public you can google who is Cynthia
Bailey's celebrity crush and it comes up. I don't need
you to pay more attentions. I need to do better
and shout out to fifty I celebrity crush? Who is yours?
You have one? I don't really like. If I'm just
thinking about someone on the spot, I would say like, oh, okay, okay,
(30:25):
well she is cute. Actually did games people play with her?
And she's super sweet and super cute. She seems like
super sweet. Yeah she is. I was right about that answer. Okay,
what did you like and did not like about filming Housewives.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Ooh okay, I would say, which, like, yeah, the things
that I did like about filming Housewives is just more
so coming from who I am as a person, Like
I'm just a very private person. I don't really like
for people to know that much about me. So I
feel like that's probably something that I kind of didn't like.
(31:05):
Was just you know, people didn't know a lot about
me from the show, not everything obviously you came on
when you were eight. Yeah, that's another thing I was
going to say, Like just filming a reality television show,
like when you're so young and you know, people forming
opinions about you as you're literally just growing up just
living life. I think it was really really difficult on me,
(31:26):
just always feeling like I had to be a perfectionist,
like even to this day, like even on my Instagram,
like I want all my pictures to be like absolutely perfect.
But as I like dive deeper, I think it's like
a defense mechanism because I have been like picked a
part on television for like over a decades. Would say,
I would say, for me, I feel like being on
(31:48):
television and being on a reality TV show since I
was like eight years old. There's constantly so many like
different opinions that people have like on you, just as
you're just growing up and being a kid, which I
think can be a little bit rough on your mental
It was rough on life.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I mean, I'm grown, and it's hard, you know, social
media the aspect that makes it very difficult. It's not
like you just like back in my day, you just
watch show and you just went to sleep after it,
just like went to dinner, like you didn't go on
social media and talk about the show and rip apart
the people on the show. Yeah. So I think like.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Just me being like a kid and just like growing
up on there, I think one it did make it
a bit hard for me socially because you have to
also understand I'm going to school every day as well,
Like I'm also like you know, making friends. I'm also
like you know, calling myself, trying to date, you know,
like certain things like that. I do feel like it
definitely made that experience a little bit more difficult. And
(32:42):
it also I feel made me a bit of a perfectionist.
Like even on my Instagram, like I'm like so anal
about all my pictures being perfect and as I like
Dug a little bit deeper. I think that that just
more so comes from like me wanting to like appear perfect.
It's just a defense mechanism from being picked apart for
so long on reality TV. And it's not to stay
(33:03):
that like I wasn't. I feel that I was, like,
you know, for the most part. But when you have
millions of people watching a show, there's gonna be people
that just don't like you. And it's okay, you know,
that's fine, that's just like a part of life. Yeah,
you know, social media is like a tricky thing because I.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Will have to say, after eleven years of being on
Real Housewives of Atlanta, you know, depending on a scene
that I was in, depending if I was into it
one of you know, someone's favorite housewife or whatever. You know,
they would like go in on me or drag me
or whatever. You're like, oh my god, you're awful, you're
so boring, you're so stupid, you're so weak, you're so whatever,
you don't have a boys, you don't have an opinion, whatever.
(33:39):
You know, all those things would be in social media world.
And I have to say I was on the show
for eleven consistent years, and I haven't been on for
a couple of years. I have yet to see some
a fan in person come up to me and say,
oh my god, you were just a corrupt Dodo on
the show. I can't stand in your own show. You
(34:01):
are a horrible human being. You made watching this show
like dying of slow death. Like yet for anything come
up to me and say anything. All I get is
love in person. Oh my god, you're my favorite. I
love you. You gotta come back to the show. She's not
the same with that you. Oh my god, my mom
loves you, my grandmother loves you, my kids love you.
(34:21):
Like it's all love in person. But on social media,
that's when things could be negative and hateful. But you
have to For me, I put into things in perspective,
like what's real is when people see exactly what's not
real is people hiding behind social media. But I think
also another.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Piece of this is I grew up in the more
of the age of social media than what you do,
you know, And I think social media has been, you know,
really prevalent, maybe in the past like five or six years.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
And I think when we first started to show, there
was social media, but it was it wasn't as late. Yeah,
and I kind of grew up in an era of
like social media was very deep for like pretty much
my life.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
You know, I don't remember when it wasn't random, but
that's what I'm saying. So and people, of course, you
could go through things where people will say like, oh,
you know, just don't read the comments, but you're you
know what I mean, Like it's hard. It's like saying,
don't eat the blueberry pie. If it tastes good, you're
gonna eat. You're gonna read the comments. And even at
the time, like this is before they were like filters
and different things in place, but you had to read
(35:20):
a comment to know what's bad to delete it.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So it's like, yeah, I didn't comment to block the person,
okays know they need to be blocked, exactly. And it's
hard to just not internalize it. And I think sometimes
when people see you on television, they just think that
you're like this larger than like person that you can't
be affected by. You don't have to build well, okay,
and we read all the main comments all right, exactly,
So I think that's that positivity. If you don't like us,
(35:44):
don't falls exactly. I agree. I don't follow anyone else,
only follow people that I like. Actually, I mean, it
seems like a pretty reasonable thing social media. Follow the
people you like, don't follow people you don't like.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
And I also say, as a reality show TV kid,
even just a celebrity kid, I do feel like sometimes
people have the stigma of like, oh, our life is perfect,
or like we just don't go through stuff, or like
if we were to say anything or do anything, we
kind of automatically get like the wrap.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Of like being spoiled. And to be honest with you,
like we go through real stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
So it's like we're going through life just the same
a lot of the same ways that you guys are,
and then we're seeing all these crazy comments and it
would be wrong for me to say, like it doesn't
affect I could say it definitely has affected me.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
But I've worked on it, you know, so we're you mean, well, yeah,
what do you like about being a part of the show.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
What I did like about being a part of the
show is I do feel that in my vulnerability and
people watching me grow up, there were a lot of
people that were able to resonate with my personal journey
in so many different areas, just being afraid to go
to college, or like even like coming out on the show,
Like there were just so many different parts of me
just figuring myself out that I feel.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Like really made a big impact.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Like seriously that have gone through like similar experiences that
to me, or just watching me grow up. I feel
like it really inspired a lot of people out received
some like oh when you went through this, like I
really resonated with this, or oh, like I was thinking
about going to this place and it resonated with me.
So just knowing that like my authentic story is having
like a really positive impact on someone else like that
(37:26):
always is gonna feel absolutely well.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Can I tell you that you coming out on the show.
I never had so many phone calls and dms from
people that found my number who just commended me and
you exactly. And the whole situation of other celebrities, uh,
just other people who have children that are fluid as well.
(37:50):
It really was like I had no idea. I was
just like, Okay, well this is just our thing, and
I was like, let's just talk about our thing. And
so many other parents were trying to figure out how
to navigate that. You know, their their kids want they
know you know that.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
They you know, they've decided to that somewhere on the spectrum. Yeah,
And I think for for me, I think it was.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
A really excellent presentation of how to interact with, you know,
a kid who just like them more daughter relationship, of
how to navigate conversations like that, because there's so many
situations where it doesn't go that way, you know what
I mean. I know it was really hard for you
to do that, to come out on camera, but I
kind of am really glad you did because I felt
(38:32):
like it just kind of not only inspired other children
who are fluid to live in their truth and to
be comfortable sharing their truth with their parents.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well, I want to say, like on the spectrum, like
you're a part of it, Yeah, because there's other people
that you know are not just fool that are actually.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Like you know either l yeah, yeah, yeah, Which you
know what I'm saying, that resonating with it. So it
wasn't just then So what happens when you're on in
the reality show, is this say we didn't talk about
Noel being fluid or whatever, and it just came out
in real life, not on the show, then it would
have been foreseen by our reality TV world in social
(39:17):
media world, like we're hiding it, like this is like
a secret, like we were maybe ashamed to like talk
about this. So I love. I feel like what I've
learned from being on the show for so long is
that it's really good to just put it out there.
Just put it out there, because it actually protected you,
because you want to be in control of your own narrative.
(39:38):
And in terms of your college the only one, the
one only regret that I have from being on the
Real Housewives of Atlanta, It is the only regret that
I have, and I should regret a feeling the kind embarrassing,
But my one only regret is filming you go to college. Yeah,
that is my one only regret. I will take that
(39:59):
to the grave as myne regret because I felt like
I messed up your college situation, your college experience, if
you will, because we showed up and I thought I
was doing a good thing. Because Noah was the first
kid on our show that was shown going to college.
So it's like we need to show this, we need
to show our children, you know, going to college. I
(40:20):
think the first they actually like flew a camera crew.
No she's like someone who wasn't a housewise, absolutely, like
we the whole team, Like she showed up to her
college orientation with like twenty people, Yeah, cameras like we're
like going to bed bath and beyond getting sheets.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Like for the orientation, the penning ceremony, like in the
dorm rooms with the cameras in the hallways.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
So it's like, obviously it ended up being like a spectacle. Yeah,
it was a complete spectacle.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
And I'm just more so the type of person like
I was on the show obviously as byproduct of my
mom being my mom, Like I didn't choose. I didn't choose,
and also you have to un like I didn't even
when I first started feeling the show, I was eight.
I didn't even know what I was doing, or like
the long term ramifications of like I didn't know what
(41:11):
I was doing either, you know. So it's just like
there's so many different phases of you growing up that
I'm sure you're happy the cameras were not filming, you
know what I'm saying, I like just didn't have that luxury,
you know, you know, which is fine, you know, but
like I definitely would say just having the camera crew
there definitely really impacted my personal experience in college. Yeah,
(41:31):
you got a lot of unwanted attention, and that's just
not how I Literally, people were like befriending you because
they were fans of mine or fans of your dad,
and so you didn't know who was really coming to
date me or like, you know, there's just so many
different you didn't know what was real.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yeah, exactly, and it just kind of threw off like
basically just my ability to even make that word, and
like you just threw.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Friendships, and you know, just even if I wasn't on
the show going through, and you know, people deal with
fake friends all time, or like you know, people deal
with toxic relationships or certain things like that. So it's
already difficult to navigate that as a human being in general,
So having all that additional attention, I just think it
was a bit difficult. Also, keep in mind, I was
(42:14):
homeschool for two years prior and I took a gap year,
so I wasn't I don't feel that really. I was
probably the most equipped, you know, with the social skill
when I first got there, So I think adding the
canvas as well was just like a recipe for disaster regret.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
But it happened, and you know, I learned from it
and it's all good. Well I'm sorry, and I always
tell you that, and I love you because anything I do,
I always like think that it's like gonna be good
for you and good for us or whatever. So my
intention was to just be like, oh, this is gonna
be great. But I'm kind of backfy too. Do you
(43:05):
think that I am iconic? Definitely? But I mean you're
not an biased But even even aside from that, yes,
like in so many different ways, like you like you're
just you know, you are a supermodel back in your day,
and like you just have done so many things with it,
Like you're an actress. I'm not technically a supermodel. I'm
very successful. You you are, Okay, I'm speaking from my experience. Okay,
(43:29):
this is when the people be like, she went on supermodel,
she's supermodest. I was a.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Supermodel to Noel, so that's all they met exactly. So
you've just gone after so many things, and I feel
like you kind of just broke the stigma that like
you can only just be one thing or be really
known for one thing, because I feel like you're really
known for like a couple of different days.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
At this point with a lot of chapters. All right,
next question, Uh, are you ever recognized in public? Yes,
and more.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Often than I would think, Like, I don't ever think
that I'm really anybody, like just because there's just so
many more people that are way more well known than me,
and I also don't really go out that much, and
so it's just I don't really think that really anybody.
So when people do recognize me, a lot of times
I'm thinking, like, there's somebody I'm like.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
In j LO, but I mean, like do I need
to pull out? Why what are we looking at?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
And then they're like me like like no, I love you,
Like oh my god, I'm like wait what Like I
always like, honestly, I don't think there's one time that
I've been like spotted and recognized that I wasn't completely
taken off guard. And a lot of people do say like,
oh yeah, like you're so humble or whatever. But I think, actually,
just like in denial, don't think that I won't recognize you.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
And I mean, you get me somewhere and someone will
text me be like, oh my god, I'm a so
and so having tea time and I see no Wallas
here like my like, I have people that recognize you
anytime you Yeah, and I think I am going out
more now.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
So I think as I've gone out more, I've been
getting recognized really consistently. So I kind of just caused
like a bit of black and I was like, wait, okay,
this is really the thing.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah yeah, all right, sorry, you're famous. Let's say, how
do you feel about me doing sex scenes on TV
as a actress?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
You know, it's it's a bit weird, but it doesn't
really FaZe me, just because, like I said, we like
tell each other so much, so it's like.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
I don't know. It's it's like I know that this acting. Well,
I just did a movie and I had a bunch
of sex scenes in it and it's coming.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Out, Like I think it would be different, like and
I also just my dad's an actor as well, Like
I know how it works, so it's like I'm not
really like I know what it actually is behind the scenes,
Like I think it would be different like that was released,
Like what do you like that would be?
Speaker 1 (45:48):
You know, what do you think about your dad and
I acting in a movie together? I think that would
be like pretty amazing. I know, actually I want to, like,
I really she want to work with Lyon, So we'll
see if that happens. Who is your favorite out of
all my former ATL castmates and who is your least favorite?
(46:09):
When my mom's filming for the show, whatever type of
energy and things that are going on when she's filming,
she does take that stuff home with her, And to
be honest with you, I end up getting in front
of it. So I would just saying whoever is coming
for her that day, and I get the brunt of it.
I don't like them that they're not my favorite.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
And you know, whoever's making my life easier and defending
her and putting her in a good movie.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
She comes back from the scene, you're my favorite. They're
being nice to me, their favorite if they're coming from me,
put her off, and now she's like in a bad
movie and then up coming home mad. Yeah, you're not
my favorite at that point exactly. Oh you know what,
this is what family traditions we have. You know what
I love? I love when we do our mom daughter trips. Yes, yes,
(46:53):
that's something we just try to do. We got to
schedule it for this year. We're supposed to go on
to cruise. Actually, yeah, but like I'm love spending one
on one time with you, going on our trips. And
I think part of that for me is I live
in like the mom guilt bubble of you know, with
all these acts in chapters and things that I've done
in my life, you know, to just be successful. I
(47:17):
missed a lot of stuff. I missed a lot of stuff.
You were taken care of. You had Nanny's, you had
Leon's mom, you had my mom. But it's not the
same as like it you actually being there, like your prejudice,
you know.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
But but she's done so much. It's like it's like
one of those things where it's like, oh my gosh,
like you're amazing, Like you provide such an amazing life.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
I'm so grateful, but like I also missed you, and
I feel like both of those feelings are valid, you know. Yeah. Okay,
so this is the last question, and it's pretty easy. Actually,
I think do you think that we are similar? No,
I don't know, like we're opposites, but we have a
(48:02):
lot it works. Yeah, but you're like not similar at all.
We're really not. But I do like that, and this
is like reflective of your life and even how you
care yourself on Instagram, Like, I do think you are
very classy, and I feel like you know at you
know in your twenties, like as a young twenty year old,
(48:24):
still you know, figuring it all out for twenty four
year old. I think that on SOI media, people don't
always big a class and I love that you handle
yourself with class. I appreciate that a lot. I would
like to think you get that from me? Yeah, right,
you did get that from here? Yes, I got it
(48:44):
from me, I would say, yeah, I don't feel like
we're similar, like I just I just truly don't. Like
I feel like you're more like an extrovert and more
of an introvert. Like I feel like we're like opposites
in so many different ways, right, I'm like big, I'm like,
don't get me wrong. My mom's like want to be healthy,
(49:04):
but like I'm like like super healthy, like.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Just like just in every way, Like I'm interested in,
like you know, doing my house a certain way, and
she's like, I'll just get whatever I can like and
just put in the house.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Like I feel like I'm easier kind of like just
very specific and like I go.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
I think the difference between you and me a lot
of times is that I like demand what I want
out of the universe and you're just like, oh, well,
like okay, but I'm like, no, I'm going to get
this And this is just.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
How that's true. That's true. And I've gotten better as
a result of like seeing how you move, Like I'm
much more specific about what I want and I'm much
more intentional about what i want and uh, which is
probably why I'm so thinkle because I just don't want
I love love to find love. I'm always looking for
my person, but I just don't want any love. I
(49:59):
want a nurturing man. I want a kind man. I
want like there's so many things that are just deal
breakers for me at this point, and I'm not going
to den my light for anyone. So this person has
to come hole and he has to be secure and
needs to want me to like shine.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
But I think he holds you accountable, you know, because
I feel like we're different in dating as well, Like
we are like definitely a lot different in dating.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Yeah, And anytime she sees me going down that road
of like getting in my light or like like I'm
not dating for the things that I know that it's
good for me in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
She's like, mmm, she calls me out basically, Well, I
just think also, I think part of that is a
generational thing too, because I feel like I'm in a
generation where like people are even going to contact with
their family members, like you know what I'm saying, Like
we're not taking anything, and it's like we're in a situation.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
We're even at a job that doesn't service we leave,
you know what I'm saying, Like you know, in their generations,
they for like thirty forty years, like we don't like
the job and it's over with, We're gonna leave. That
goes for the relationship, the friendships, the family members whatever.
Like we just try to protect protect your piece a
lot more. And I think because of that, like me
talking about your dating life, I am able to drop
(51:10):
those gems on you. Then I learn it just from
being bombs whatever you want to call it. Yeah, well
I think this is a great place to stop, you know,
just protecting our peace and just being at peace. And
I think, you know, I want my own personal piece.
I know you meet your own personal peace, and we
have to respect each other's space and peace and who
we are. You know, we are still two separate people.
(51:31):
This is my daughter. I'm her mother, but she has
her own life and her own identity, and I have
my own life and my own identity, and I respect
each other.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
And I think our relationship improved a lot too when
we stop trying to like they think that the only
one way was right. Like I think you as a parent,
like I saw you grow a lot as a parent
when you realize, like, hey, I'm not going to handle
certain things the way that you would handle it, because
there's a lot of things that you'd be like, oh,
I don't care about that, and I care about it
a lot, like you can take me under. But I
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think once you realize, like, hey, this is my kid.
My kid is sensitive, Like I'm not sensitive, but my
kid is sensitive, and that's okay. You know, my kid
may take this harder than I'm taking it right now,
and that's okay.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
So I think once you just started, and just because
I consider myself to be strong and mean that you
have to be strong because you're who you are is
based off of your upbringing and my experience. My upbringing,
my experiences, So just embracing each other's differences is to
something that I would say is really important as well. Okay,
I love you. I love you so much. You are
(52:36):
the wind beneath my wings. I always say that, and
I hope that I have. I've done more good than
bad and good that it's been more positive than negative.
And I thank you for just loving me unconditionally because
at the end of the day, he's are the only
ones that is going to do that, and accepting me
(52:59):
for my flaws and forgiven me for my mistakes and
staying with you as well. Thank you so much, Love you,
Hi, you guys. It's me Cynthia Bailey. Here. I'm here
with my daughter Noel for the first episode of Mommy
and Me. And we're so excited. We are. So we're
gonna do a toast. We can drink together now, which
is quick. She's four, which she has a love hate
relationship with I really did. We'll get into that, and
(00:34):
we're gonna cheers to my first seeding strength my peach Bellini.
That's what I'll be happy. What are you drinking? I'm
having some moscato. Excuse me, my cheers, cheers us and
cheers to this first episode. Should I be worried about
some of the stuff you're gonna say? Always always runaway
train over here. She doesn't say a lot, but when
(00:55):
she does, it's like a lot. So let's just jump
right into it. Wow, Okay, this is the first time
we've really done anything like this. Yeah, so I'm a
little mortified but excited. All right, explain your relationship as
mother and daughter. Our relationship you want to go first? Yeah,
I'll go first.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So I would say our relationship is very complex, but
I feel like it's functional. I feel like the way
that we operate as mom and daughter probably wouldn't work
for a lot of other people, but for us, I'll
say that, and I feel like we're very, very close,
which is really good in a lot of ways. But
it does cause us to clash in.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
A lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
But there are ways that I wouldn't regret because I
just want to be close to I think it's like
with anybody, like a mother daughter relationship is like a
relationship with so many different aspects, like with a friend,
with another family member and relationships. You know, if you
spend so much time with anybody, even if you love them,
you know, sometimes you guys can bump pedsulm.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yes, that's very true. And then for me, I would
say our relationship is like I'm your mom, but we're friends.
And I know everyone's like, don't be friends with your kids,
Like you can't be friends with your children. That is
some bullshit, okay, because I have to be your friend
because if I'm not your friend, I you know, there's
(02:17):
no real communication. I don't know what's going on. You
don't trust me to tell me and keep me in
the loop of all the things that you're doing. And
I want to know everything. I want to know everything
that you have going on, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
She's also like a helicopter mom, so I feel like
she couldn't even have the amount of like information control
that she wants to have if she wasn't also my friend.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So wait, it's true. I'm a helicopter Yes, you like,
basically your face should be in the dictionary by helicopter
mom because okay, well we're gonna move on to yeah,
we'll like anyway. I believe in being friends with your children,
and I know a lot of people don't, but for
us it works. I'm not, you know, only one child,
(03:00):
so I can only tell you what works for us.
And I mean I don't even like her to be
mad at me, Like, not only do I want to
be friends, I want to make sure that we never
really have you know, we're not mad at each other
for too long, and we'll get into that stuff exactly,
all right, Noel, do you like being an only child? Yes?
So I get this question so much. I love being
(03:23):
an only child. I really wouldn't trade it for the world.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
But also, I think you need to say that when
you don't have any siblings or you don't have an
experience of anything else.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I like the extra attention, but sometimes it could be
bad because I am her only child, so like she
can extra focus on all. Okay, so I could see
how maybe it would have taken some of that pressure off.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But I could say I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
No, I think you definitely enjoy it has more pros
and than cons. For me, I'd say, right, it works
for her because I used to feel bad, especially as
I get older. I just celebrated my fifty seventh birthday,
and I often think about, like, you know, when I
go to heaven, I know, but you know, I'm not
gonna be it forever. But when I do go on,
(04:12):
like sometimes I wish you had a sister, someone else
that you know, someone else you could lean on to
protect each other, you know what I mean, like someone else.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And your dad is like older too, so you know
at some point, you know, I don't want to get
more of it, but okay, at that point, like I
always felt a little bad about not no, not having
a brother or sister, someone else in her life that
she could depend on. But she's made it pretty clear
that she's like, no, I'm good, I can figure it out, okay, Like,
(04:47):
and did I always want one kid. You know what,
I really am a want and done kind of girl
when it comes to like being a mom, Like and
I wore her ouse anymore to a lot. It was
really almost like having triplets like you are. There's a
lot of layers that you have. So yeah, I'm good
with one. I can't imagine love two or three of you. No,
(05:10):
all right, So what is your favorite thing about each other?
What is your favorite thing about me? Take your time.
I mean, there's there's so many things, so it's just
more so just picking one.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I would say, I love how authentic you are, Like
you're just very much so yourself. Like it's like, this
is who I am, this is what works for me,
this is what doesn't work for me. And you're not
afraid to make mistakes and just try to do something
even if it fails.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And that's something I'm not afraid to look crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, like, and that's honestly something I feel is really
admirable because I feel like some people, even including myself,
sometimes I will be afraid to do something because I
feel like I don't want to like fail publicly or
you know, just even put myself out there in a
way that oh if it if it doesn't work out.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
It would be bad. But like with you, you're just like
I'm just doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Whether it's like a business opportunity or relationship anything, she
just kind of it just goes after it, and you know,
if it fails, she just looks as it like you
look said as a lesson and just like moves forward.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
That's true. That's true. That's sorry, that's true. Okay, what
is my favorite thing about you? I think my favorite
thing about you is like you're very like when you
want something, you're gonna get it. Like when Noah focuses
on doing something or something that she wants, like I
(06:29):
just don't even fight her on it because it's gonna happen.
If she's going to get it, that's going to be
her obsession and her focus and she's not gonna stop
until it happens. So I learned a long time ago,
like Okay, if this is what she wants, then I
mean as well, just like what can I do to
help you get it? Because I know you're gonna let
it get Also like the scorpio and it is it
(06:51):
is a scorpio. These scorpio people out here, when I
say you do not they're going to get what they want.
You don't want to piss them off because I could
takes years. They're going to pay you back. They're going
to get their lick back, no matter what, even if
there even if you're their mother, They're going to get
their linked back. Sometimes I'm like, we've moved past that,
(07:12):
and then it just comes back up and bites me
in the butt just when I forgot all about it.
I might tell you and joke, but I'll never tell you.
She is not wrong. She's not wrong, And I honestly
think that I'm like one of the better, more evolved
scorpios out here. So that's just your lick back. Yeah,
well the thing is coming. But even if the lick
(07:33):
back is just me upgrading and just doing better in life,
you know what I mean? Right, No, it's true. Okay,
So what is your biggest dick about each other? This
one is super easy for me, Okay, Okay, So I
would say it's actually two things. So one of my
eggs about you is she gets like very hostile about
(07:55):
like food, like if I have some food, and it's
just the pie story. Yeah, this is also very fresh
and it was a real tread. Yeah, we really fell out.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Like it was like a really bad fallout actually about
a blueberry pie from Airwan. I went to the grocery store.
I asked her, Hey, do you want anything from Airwan?
I literally actually told her. I said, hey, I'm thinking
about getting this slice. It's a slice of poe, a
slice of pie. And she's like, no, no, like I
(08:29):
don't want anything.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I'm like, because I'm trying to be good and be
strong because I still need to lose probably a good
like fifteen pounds. But anyway, so of course I turned
down the pie. But anyway, keep on. So she said no.
I was like, okay.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I came home and then a couple hours he she's like,
oh my god, I'm craving something sweet. So I offer,
being the nice person that I thought I was being,
and I was like, hey, you can have like half
of my slice of pie.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah exactly, she she I like, like blueberry pie. I
eated it up for her. I plated it and I
served her with some ice cream. You did, I did?
That was fair? So I brought upstairs. She had the pot.
She said, oh my god, this is so good. I
was like, I know, which is why I bought it.
I've been sleeping on blueberry pie for years apparently, like
I'm more of like a sweet potato pie or the
(09:21):
cam pie, like any other pie. I never think about
blueberry pie.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And keep in mind, I am I have a major
sweet tooth, and you know as a girl, like I'm
around that time where like I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Crazy sweet stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So, like I was very much so looking forward to
eating my second slice, and I you know when you
like plan out something like you're like, I'm gonna eat
this at this time, and I was planning.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It out, okay, So what happened? So basically she.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Was like can I have the other slice of pie?
And I was like no, no, and she was like wow,
like and you can you can explain all right.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well from there, I just didn't think it was that
big of a deal, Like she just kept waiting so
long to eat the pie. I ate it like right away,
and then I felt like if she, I mean, she
could always go get another slice. And I just feel
like I don't really ask that much, Like I literally
asked you for nothing, but for some reason, you asked
me for fifty things a day. You probably asked me
for thirty things today. I did not today again, I
(10:25):
literally asked you for nothing. She like, I never asked
for anything, but I do not. But then I got it.
This pie was so good, so I was like, you know,
I want, I want it, just like can you just
give me this one thing? And she was like no,
And then I just was like this is I just
think you're just a mean spirited person.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah no, because my whole thing is she was crazy
and as if I was just purposely just like stripping
something away from her that I know she's so that's
really wanted, when in reality, I went to the grocery store.
I asked her if she wanted me to get her
something and she said no, and then I offer her
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half of it and I did want the other half.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Okay,
So I know this sounds like simple and like kind
of crazy, but when I tell you, we really had
a moment and I apologize, which I think is very
important and a mom daughter or just a mom dynamic
with their kids. I think as parents sometimes we feel
(11:31):
like and this is very old school because I'm old
school because I'm old basically, so I was raised like this,
like you just can stand in what you stand in
as a pair. You don't have to explain nothing. You
don't have to give excuses or reasons. You like, I
just said it is what it is. If you don't
like it, So what I'm your mom? Well those days
are gone because you know, are kids of this generation.
(11:51):
They want more dialogue and more communication and more answers
to the things that we say and just like mutual respect.
I did accept accountability and I did apologize and we
were able to move on. Yeah, all right, so oh
(12:14):
that was your biggest egg. Okay, that was alone. That
was a long one.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Wait, I didn't say my second one. So she gets
upset when I like get her, like I.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Can butt my knee on something. She'd be like, oh wow,
what did you do that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I'm like it was an accident, Like if I like,
if something happens in my car gets like a flat tie,
if anything happens that is really outside of my control.
She gets upset at me, and I'm just like, I'm
already just already inconvenient for me, and then you're upset
at me.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
So I'm just like, because I don't want to get hurt,
Like I don't I hate like even when you were
a child like if you I don't think you ever
fell down for like, so you were like I don't
know ten or something, because even if I thought.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You were gonna fall, I would like literally dive underneath
you and break the fall somehow and be like you're
gonna you're it. And that does not serve me that
well as you've gotten older, because I can't protect you
from everything. If you have a flat tire, you just
called it is like you she like somehow figures out
how it's my fault, like where were you? Like what
(13:15):
were you doing? Well, my biggest with you is we
have a Oh god, I think, yeah, you know what
I'm going to say, I have a tracker. Okay, that's
not what I think. What did you think I was?
I thought you're going to talk about the heat of blanket,
So the heat a blanket. Don't even get me started.
(13:36):
That's gonna come back up. So I have a tracker
on the wall, not because I want to know where
she is and what she's doing her business. That's not why.
It's really not why. It's really not why. I have
a track and she has a tracker on me, like
I'm tracking her, she's tracking me. Everybody's tracking each other. Okay,
everybody got a truck.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's only because it's both ways. There's no way that
you could have my location without me.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, anyway, I don't care about you knowing where I am.
I actually would love you to know where I am.
So because I'm never anywhere that I wouldn't want you
to know where I'm at, which is kind of set.
But actually that have that boarding of life that there
is nothing that I'm trying to actually hide forgive so
but anyway, but the problem with the tracker is I
(14:21):
have it, but sometimes she doesn't share her like it
goes off. You don't have it connected, which is crazy
because for me it's only about like my piece, and
the tracker gives me peace. I don't care where you're going,
where you're doing, like I don't care you twenty four
and like you're grown. You can do whatever you want
to do. I just want to, as a mom, make
sure you made it there safely and you made it
back home safely. And until I see your dress pop
(14:44):
up saying that your face on that tracker is at home,
I can't go to sleep until that happens. So it's
for my peace, I'm not trying to be nosy. I'm
really not. Okay, keep in mind, this is the same person.
So on the tracker, she can also see how fast
I'm driving. She can also see my battery percentage. And
(15:06):
she used to call me and like go off and
be like, why is your phone on fifteen or or
eight or whatever? Not knowing the context. You couldnot be
ans with your phone three percent, because that's what the
tracker won't even work if your phone doesn't understand. But
she has to know the context.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So it's like I could have i could be out
and I could have a charger in my purse, and
I know, once I get to a certain percent, I'm
going to plug it in. But like she'll just go
and call me full scheme, not even knowing the context.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I just want to charge your phone. It's like stress,
but I never should get under.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
But you should not ever know what my battery percentage is.
In my opinion, I feel like that's like too much,
too much.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Okay, I'll let you have that one. I'll let you
have that one again. My goal is just to make
sure you are safe. So if you want to drive
around these streets with three percent battery on your phone,
and then she'll call me as well because she can
see how fast and driving it should without contact. Slow down?
Why are you driving? I haven't done that in a
(16:07):
long time, but I have. Okay, all right, so the
other thing and then I'm gonna let it go. We
have to move on. I don't like when well, she
gets mad at me if I call her and she
doesn't answer the phone. So or and if you know,
you're good about sending a text and ham on the
phone and busy whate whatever, but if you don't, if
I don't get that text, I try to give you
(16:29):
a grace period of I don't know, a minute, and
then if you don't call back, I will call again
my phone and I will keep calling until she answers,
because I immediately think, as a mom, something is wrong. This
girl always answers the phone when I call. But when
she doesn't, I flip out, and I think, oh my lord,
now I can't even focus on anything until you confirm
(16:50):
that you are alive. You know. I sometimes have to shower.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I sometimes go to get my lashes done, like certain
things where I physically cannot see or be near the phone.
So I tell her like, hey, I can't always like
give me some type of twenty minute grace period or
even sometimes like you know, if I'm on a date
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Like sometimes you know, like I can't just pick up
the phone.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, like it's not always a good time to be
like hello, like mom, if some like can you give
me a grace period without me receiving like eight phone
calls back to back to back and like you basically
sending a search party out for me.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Okay, I don't think I do that as much as
I used to. I think I've gotten better, So we
can move on. I think the operative word is you
think Okay, all right, if we could collapse on something,
what would it be? What would you want to collapse?
But we actually wanted want to do a podcast together? Yeah,
you know that's talking about like our relationship and like
(17:54):
my perspective on being mom and her perspective on being
you know, my daughter, and also just start our own
conventional like the unconventional way I was raised, you know. True,
it's definitely a lot of different layers. Yeah, I would
say a podcasts for sure. All right, So we're back.
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What's one piece of advice you would give to other
mothers and daughters to strengths and their bond.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
The advice that I would give, honestly is to treat
your relationship like a team, like a partnership, because I
think sometimes what ends up happening is, you know, at
the end of the day, we're all human and we
all make mistakes. It doesn't matter how old you are, Like,
she's gonna make mistakes. I'm gonna make mistakes. I'm gonna
make mistakes as a child, She's gonna make the mistakes
(18:50):
as a parent. But I think what I really can
value about our relationship that I think continuously improves our
relationship is the fact that we both told each other accountable.
And there's like, oh, I'm the parents, so what I'm
saying is right. There's no like, oh I'm a kid,
I'm just gonna be rebellious like whatever. It's like we're
actually trying to understand, trying to take accountability. And one
(19:12):
thing I can say about you is that you consistently
are open to criticism and you're open to just taking
accountability and improving.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, and you're.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Just because you know you are older, Like you said,
a lot of people that are older are just like this.
Is how I like, I'm stuck in my ways, this
is how that's how I've always been whatever. But just
because that's how you've always been doesn't mean it's serving.
And I feel like you're definitely open to that perspective
and getting that feedback. Well, you may not be open
when I initially give it, but you know you're open.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I come around, I don't shut you down, I don't
cut you off at the knees exactly. I would say
the best way for a mom and daughter to strengthen
their relationship is to just have affected communication, Like you
just cannot take that out of the equation and own
That goes back to the friendship part of the friendship dynamic.
(20:05):
In our relationship, we talk about everything, like I call
her about every single thing she tells me, all her stuff,
like some things like I want to know, and then
some things I don't want to know. So communication, communication, communication.
If your child does not want to talk to you,
however old or young they are, that is going to
be a problem because you're not going to know what
(20:27):
the heck is going on ever, and you want to
encourage them to feel like they can talk to you
about everything, because when they do that, you can prevent
certain things from happening, Like they're going to just leave
in life and do a bunch of dumb stuff. But
like if there, if you guys talk all the time,
you may get to say, hey, you know what, that
doesn't sound like the best idea. Why don't you come
up with another idea, you know what I mean? And
(20:49):
then just if you can't control your kid, but like
you can help guid exactly they're gonna do what they're
gonna do anyway, but you can at least sleep saying well,
hey I told you when you ask me, you know,
not run it in that face, but just and hey,
I'm over here for a reason. I have lived for
a very long time. I've done a lot of dumb stuff.
I've made a lot of mistakes. So you're talking to
(21:10):
someone who has lived so not just giving you, you know,
information and stuff out of my but like I stand
on like the stuff that I'm telling you because I
know what I've been through.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But I think part of that as a parent, and
this is obviously like once you get past a certain.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Point is being able to know when to take.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
The disciplinarian have off and be a front because I think,
because I think there's some points where it's like you
do have to be like hey.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
No, like this was like right and be a but
you just have to come down with you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
And then there's other things where it's like I know
I'm telling her a story that may not have been
like something that I made the best decisions, and I
know that she can't she won't put.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
On that hat and she'll just genuinely just be a
front and give me that sound advice. Because if I
felt like you would just be a disciplinarian at every
turn no matter what I said, I just wouldn't say so.
And it doesn't mean that I wouldn't do them, I
just wouldn't tell her, which I don't really feel like
you serve me either one of them, right, you know,
And that's called being out of the loop because they
(22:09):
don't feel comfortable telling you stuff exactly, and trust me,
you'd rather know than not. So do I ever embarrass you? Yes?
Do you embarrass me when you always try to do
like those dancing videos on Instagram and on the show,
like when you tried to do the pole dancing class
that was kind of horrific. For me, I actually did
(22:32):
a great job in that pole dancing class. You know
that I kind of killed it. To be honest, I
personally don't feel about Yeah I met, but everyone loves
my Do you know how many likes and comments I
get when I guess I should do more dancing videos.
As a matter of fact, I've meant to actually focus
on doing more dancing videos in twenty twenty four, but
(22:55):
I just got busy with the acting and you know
all the other you know, jobs and stuff that I
have going on. But I wish I would love to
do at least drop a couple of dancing videos a
week on my social media. Just because you're getting a
lot of engagement with something doesn't mean that it's necessarily
like positive, Like, well, people make fun of me, Yeah,
(23:17):
that's what I'm saying, Like they have a sin. I mean,
they still enjoy it, like it, but they're not they're
not laughing with you, you know what I mean. They're
laughing like that's something that I'm embarrassed about because it's like, oh,
you're like my friends just like here's your mom like
basically trying to work on Instagram, and I'm like, yes,
(23:38):
that is her that is indeed my mom that you
just saw. Indeed, Well, I love to dance, and I
just think at this point in my life, I should
just be allowed to just do what I want to do.
If I want to dance, even if people make fun
of me, they can just let the photo put their
(23:59):
laugh emode and let me move on with my life. Agreed.
So most I'm not things, but most people, most people's
moms also, like don't have like millions and millions of followers,
so it's like it wouldn't be yeah, you know what
I mean. Well, I've had a couple of go by
I will say, agree, which I thought was a good Okay,
how would you describe me in three words? I would
(24:22):
say ambitious, classy, and authentic. Thank you, Iver Seved That
have you always felt comfortable telling me everything? Not always.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I think as a kid you go through like those
little rebellious years when you're a teenager where you just
kind of just go rogue.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And I didn't at that point feel so comfortable telling
you everything. But I think I did come around pretty
quickly and sooner than most kids do. Yeah, like you
probably like it was like maybe a year or two
I didn't like the teen, fourteen and fifteen. Those years,
there was a lot of like closed doors, a lot
(25:05):
of like hey, you think, no, I'm fine, Hey, how
was your day? It was good? But you know how
it is like like it was like everybody goes to
that town that like one word thing where like they
you just know they don't like you, and you're just
asking basic questions like would you like some food and
you're like no mine. You're like, but you haven't eaten.
I'm good. Can you please leave me alone? I feel
(25:28):
like it's like they're terrible twos, but like in teenage years,
like people go through thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old Oh
my god, Like I was like, and then you come
around and realize like, oh, we actually need this person.
This person is actually trying to help me survive. Yeah,
open the door and let me back in. Like it was.
That was tough. That was really tough. How do you
(25:48):
feel about hearing about my dating life? It's like, I
don't really mind it, just because we do have the
type of relationship where we're very unfiltered with each other.
And I mean, not gonna lie, there's still some moments
I'm like, m this was kind of a lot that
you just told me. But overall, I like being able
to just like shed like some light on my perspective
(26:10):
on things, just because I feel like the way that
I navigate dating just in my age group, in the
way you guys navigate dating and your age group is
just so different and there's so many different terms and
different pieces of information that you don't know about and
vice versa with me. Right well, what I love is
that you're able to help me navigate a little bit.
(26:32):
Because again, I'm old school, so I'm used to people
just picking up phone and calling me if they want
to talk to me. If I want to talk to them,
I just call them back right away. I text back.
If you text me, I text you back right away.
I'm just very like, okay, so you're trying to get
to know me, so this is how this should go.
(26:53):
But unfortunately, this is a different time. This is different,
like dating is different now, and like I honestly, I've
been single for like a couple of years now, and
it's been very difficult to just try to figure out
like even if someone even likes you or not. I'm like, well,
wait a minute, you win my dams for ten years,
(27:14):
like you reached out to me. So now that I
finally responded, aren't you supposed to be kind of excited
about it and call me all the time and text
me all the time? And you've sat in these dams
all this time wanting my attention and when I finally
give it to you, now I can't get you on
the phone. Yeah, I would. That's like definitely a piece
of dating advice that I feel like I shared with her.
(27:36):
If there's ever a situation. Obviously I wouldn't say this
is like one hundred percent of the time, but I
would probably say ninety five. If you've ignored somebody in
your dams or just in general that has been trying
to pursue you, and then you finally like circle around,
just don't even do it because they're gonna like put
you through it, Like seriously, it's just not worth it
because I didn't because I've made them wait so long.
(27:59):
If you yet, if you ignored it, just keep ignoring you.
That's just the best thing that I can say. Like
I'm not going to say.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It will never work out, but well, I ignored it
because I was in a relationship at the time.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
But now that I'm single, I'm like, okay, so now
spend the block Like, Okay, now you will get a
different outcome if you come for me, because I can
actually go for a coffee with you or whatever whatever
people do. Now, yeah, okay, who is your celebrity crush?
But do you know who? Minus? You don't know who
my celebrity crushes? Do you have a couple of I
(28:33):
do not. I have one that I have consistently named
and called out. It's not a rapper. And like I
literally have on every major platform talked about the celebrity
crush it. Who was it? You really don't know what
it is? Okay? When I said we tell each other everything,
(28:54):
I don't know you talk about a lot of people.
One soelebrity crush on this planet. Okay, So when I
tell you, can I tell you who I thought it was?
I thought it was fifty Cent's fifty cent? What I mean,
I don't have anything against fifty cent. I mean we
do share a nickname, like I'm fifty cent fifty c Why,
(29:15):
Like we listened to a lot of his music. Still, well,
I love his music, but I don't have a crush
on him. He's not my celebrity crush. Like I would
like to meet him one day because I just I'm
all the way I think I know what it is?
Is it the guy from the podcast over right? He
just just Okay, I'm just gonna say yes because I
don't want to like, yeah, we're gonna like snaggle through
(29:38):
like ten people. Go ahead, Noel for Robinson, my first
born and only born child. My celebrity crush, for the
love of God is Letty. I would have yeah, you've
mentioned this, but I wouldn't guessed that one. Okay, I'm
so hurt and disappointed that you don't know that about me.
(30:00):
This is like public you can google who is Cynthia
Bailey's celebrity crush and it comes up. I don't need
you to pay more attentions. I need to do better
and shout out to fifty I celebrity crush? Who is yours?
You have one? I don't really like. If I'm just
thinking about someone on the spot, I would say like, oh, okay, okay,
(30:25):
well she is cute. Actually did games people play with her?
And she's super sweet and super cute. She seems like
super sweet. Yeah she is. I was right about that answer. Okay,
what did you like and did not like about filming Housewives.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Ooh okay, I would say, which, like, yeah, the things
that I did like about filming Housewives is just more
so coming from who I am as a person, Like
I'm just a very private person. I don't really like
for people to know that much about me. So I
feel like that's probably something that I kind of didn't like.
(31:05):
Was just you know, people didn't know a lot about
me from the show, not everything obviously you came on
when you were eight. Yeah, that's another thing I was
going to say, Like just filming a reality television show,
like when you're so young and you know, people forming
opinions about you as you're literally just growing up just
living life. I think it was really really difficult on me,
(31:26):
just always feeling like I had to be a perfectionist,
like even to this day, like even on my Instagram,
like I want all my pictures to be like absolutely perfect.
But as I like dive deeper, I think it's like
a defense mechanism because I have been like picked a
part on television for like over a decades. Would say,
I would say, for me, I feel like being on
(31:48):
television and being on a reality TV show since I
was like eight years old. There's constantly so many like
different opinions that people have like on you, just as
you're just growing up and being a kid, which I
think can be a little bit rough on your mental
It was rough on life.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I mean, I'm grown, and it's hard, you know, social
media the aspect that makes it very difficult. It's not
like you just like back in my day, you just
watch show and you just went to sleep after it,
just like went to dinner, like you didn't go on
social media and talk about the show and rip apart
the people on the show. Yeah. So I think like.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Just me being like a kid and just like growing
up on there, I think one it did make it
a bit hard for me socially because you have to
also understand I'm going to school every day as well,
Like I'm also like you know, making friends. I'm also
like you know, calling myself, trying to date, you know,
like certain things like that. I do feel like it
definitely made that experience a little bit more difficult. And
(32:42):
it also I feel made me a bit of a perfectionist.
Like even on my Instagram, like I'm like so anal
about all my pictures being perfect and as I like
Dug a little bit deeper. I think that that just
more so comes from like me wanting to like appear perfect.
It's just a defense mechanism from being picked apart for
so long on reality TV. And it's not to stay
(33:03):
that like I wasn't. I feel that I was, like,
you know, for the most part. But when you have
millions of people watching a show, there's gonna be people
that just don't like you. And it's okay, you know,
that's fine, that's just like a part of life. Yeah,
you know, social media is like a tricky thing because I.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Will have to say, after eleven years of being on
Real Housewives of Atlanta, you know, depending on a scene
that I was in, depending if I was into it
one of you know, someone's favorite housewife or whatever. You know,
they would like go in on me or drag me
or whatever. You're like, oh my god, you're awful, you're
so boring, you're so stupid, you're so weak, you're so whatever,
you don't have a boys, you don't have an opinion, whatever.
(33:39):
You know, all those things would be in social media world.
And I have to say I was on the show
for eleven consistent years, and I haven't been on for
a couple of years. I have yet to see some
a fan in person come up to me and say,
oh my god, you were just a corrupt Dodo on
the show. I can't stand in your own show. You
(34:01):
are a horrible human being. You made watching this show
like dying of slow death. Like yet for anything come
up to me and say anything. All I get is
love in person. Oh my god, you're my favorite. I
love you. You gotta come back to the show. She's not
the same with that you. Oh my god, my mom
loves you, my grandmother loves you, my kids love you.
(34:21):
Like it's all love in person. But on social media,
that's when things could be negative and hateful. But you
have to For me, I put into things in perspective,
like what's real is when people see exactly what's not
real is people hiding behind social media. But I think
also another.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Piece of this is I grew up in the more
of the age of social media than what you do,
you know, And I think social media has been, you know,
really prevalent, maybe in the past like five or six years.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
And I think when we first started to show, there
was social media, but it was it wasn't as late. Yeah,
and I kind of grew up in an era of
like social media was very deep for like pretty much
my life.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
You know, I don't remember when it wasn't random, but
that's what I'm saying. So and people, of course, you
could go through things where people will say like, oh,
you know, just don't read the comments, but you're you
know what I mean, Like it's hard. It's like saying,
don't eat the blueberry pie. If it tastes good, you're
gonna eat. You're gonna read the comments. And even at
the time, like this is before they were like filters
and different things in place, but you had to read
(35:20):
a comment to know what's bad to delete it.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So it's like, yeah, I didn't comment to block the person,
okays know they need to be blocked, exactly. And it's
hard to just not internalize it. And I think sometimes
when people see you on television, they just think that
you're like this larger than like person that you can't
be affected by. You don't have to build well, okay,
and we read all the main comments all right, exactly,
So I think that's that positivity. If you don't like us,
(35:44):
don't falls exactly. I agree. I don't follow anyone else,
only follow people that I like. Actually, I mean, it
seems like a pretty reasonable thing social media. Follow the
people you like, don't follow people you don't like.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
And I also say, as a reality show TV kid,
even just a celebrity kid, I do feel like sometimes
people have the stigma of like, oh, our life is perfect,
or like we just don't go through stuff, or like
if we were to say anything or do anything, we
kind of automatically get like the wrap.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Of like being spoiled. And to be honest with you,
like we go through real stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
So it's like we're going through life just the same
a lot of the same ways that you guys are,
and then we're seeing all these crazy comments and it
would be wrong for me to say, like it doesn't
affect I could say it definitely has affected me.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
But I've worked on it, you know, so we're you mean, well, yeah,
what do you like about being a part of the show.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
What I did like about being a part of the
show is I do feel that in my vulnerability and
people watching me grow up, there were a lot of
people that were able to resonate with my personal journey
in so many different areas, just being afraid to go
to college, or like even like coming out on the show,
Like there were just so many different parts of me
just figuring myself out that I feel.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Like really made a big impact.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Like seriously that have gone through like similar experiences that
to me, or just watching me grow up. I feel
like it really inspired a lot of people out received
some like oh when you went through this, like I
really resonated with this, or oh, like I was thinking
about going to this place and it resonated with me.
So just knowing that like my authentic story is having
like a really positive impact on someone else like that
(37:26):
always is gonna feel absolutely well.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Can I tell you that you coming out on the show.
I never had so many phone calls and dms from
people that found my number who just commended me and
you exactly. And the whole situation of other celebrities, uh,
just other people who have children that are fluid as well.
(37:50):
It really was like I had no idea. I was
just like, Okay, well this is just our thing, and
I was like, let's just talk about our thing. And
so many other parents were trying to figure out how
to navigate that. You know, their their kids want they
know you know that.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
They you know, they've decided to that somewhere on the spectrum. Yeah,
And I think for for me, I think it was.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
A really excellent presentation of how to interact with, you know,
a kid who just like them more daughter relationship, of
how to navigate conversations like that, because there's so many
situations where it doesn't go that way, you know what
I mean. I know it was really hard for you
to do that, to come out on camera, but I
kind of am really glad you did because I felt
(38:32):
like it just kind of not only inspired other children
who are fluid to live in their truth and to
be comfortable sharing their truth with their parents.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well, I want to say, like on the spectrum, like
you're a part of it, Yeah, because there's other people
that you know are not just fool that are actually.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Like you know either l yeah, yeah, yeah, Which you
know what I'm saying, that resonating with it. So it
wasn't just then So what happens when you're on in
the reality show, is this say we didn't talk about
Noel being fluid or whatever, and it just came out
in real life, not on the show, then it would
have been foreseen by our reality TV world in social
(39:17):
media world, like we're hiding it, like this is like
a secret, like we were maybe ashamed to like talk
about this. So I love. I feel like what I've
learned from being on the show for so long is
that it's really good to just put it out there.
Just put it out there, because it actually protected you,
because you want to be in control of your own narrative.
(39:38):
And in terms of your college the only one, the
one only regret that I have from being on the
Real Housewives of Atlanta, It is the only regret that
I have, and I should regret a feeling the kind embarrassing,
But my one only regret is filming you go to college. Yeah,
that is my one only regret. I will take that
(39:59):
to the grave as myne regret because I felt like
I messed up your college situation, your college experience, if
you will, because we showed up and I thought I
was doing a good thing. Because Noah was the first
kid on our show that was shown going to college.
So it's like we need to show this, we need
to show our children, you know, going to college. I
(40:20):
think the first they actually like flew a camera crew.
No she's like someone who wasn't a housewise, absolutely, like
we the whole team, Like she showed up to her
college orientation with like twenty people, Yeah, cameras like we're
like going to bed bath and beyond getting sheets.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Like for the orientation, the penning ceremony, like in the
dorm rooms with the cameras in the hallways.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
So it's like, obviously it ended up being like a spectacle. Yeah,
it was a complete spectacle.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
And I'm just more so the type of person like
I was on the show obviously as byproduct of my
mom being my mom, Like I didn't choose. I didn't choose,
and also you have to un like I didn't even
when I first started feeling the show, I was eight.
I didn't even know what I was doing, or like
the long term ramifications of like I didn't know what
(41:11):
I was doing either, you know. So it's just like
there's so many different phases of you growing up that
I'm sure you're happy the cameras were not filming, you
know what I'm saying, I like just didn't have that luxury,
you know, you know, which is fine, you know, but
like I definitely would say just having the camera crew
there definitely really impacted my personal experience in college. Yeah,
(41:31):
you got a lot of unwanted attention, and that's just
not how I Literally, people were like befriending you because
they were fans of mine or fans of your dad,
and so you didn't know who was really coming to
date me or like, you know, there's just so many
different you didn't know what was real.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yeah, exactly, and it just kind of threw off like
basically just my ability to even make that word, and
like you just threw.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Friendships, and you know, just even if I wasn't on
the show going through, and you know, people deal with
fake friends all time, or like you know, people deal
with toxic relationships or certain things like that. So it's
already difficult to navigate that as a human being in general,
So having all that additional attention, I just think it
was a bit difficult. Also, keep in mind, I was
(42:14):
homeschool for two years prior and I took a gap year,
so I wasn't I don't feel that really. I was
probably the most equipped, you know, with the social skill
when I first got there, So I think adding the
canvas as well was just like a recipe for disaster regret.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
But it happened, and you know, I learned from it
and it's all good. Well I'm sorry, and I always
tell you that, and I love you because anything I do,
I always like think that it's like gonna be good
for you and good for us or whatever. So my
intention was to just be like, oh, this is gonna
be great. But I'm kind of backfy too. Do you
(43:05):
think that I am iconic? Definitely? But I mean you're
not an biased But even even aside from that, yes,
like in so many different ways, like you like you're
just you know, you are a supermodel back in your day,
and like you just have done so many things with it,
Like you're an actress. I'm not technically a supermodel. I'm
very successful. You you are, Okay, I'm speaking from my experience. Okay,
(43:29):
this is when the people be like, she went on supermodel,
she's supermodest. I was a.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Supermodel to Noel, so that's all they met exactly. So
you've just gone after so many things, and I feel
like you kind of just broke the stigma that like
you can only just be one thing or be really
known for one thing, because I feel like you're really
known for like a couple of different days.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
At this point with a lot of chapters. All right,
next question, Uh, are you ever recognized in public? Yes,
and more.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Often than I would think, Like, I don't ever think
that I'm really anybody, like just because there's just so
many more people that are way more well known than me,
and I also don't really go out that much, and
so it's just I don't really think that really anybody.
So when people do recognize me, a lot of times
I'm thinking, like, there's somebody I'm like.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
In j LO, but I mean, like do I need
to pull out? Why what are we looking at?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
And then they're like me like like no, I love you,
Like oh my god, I'm like wait what Like I
always like, honestly, I don't think there's one time that
I've been like spotted and recognized that I wasn't completely
taken off guard. And a lot of people do say like,
oh yeah, like you're so humble or whatever. But I think, actually,
just like in denial, don't think that I won't recognize you.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
And I mean, you get me somewhere and someone will
text me be like, oh my god, I'm a so
and so having tea time and I see no Wallas
here like my like, I have people that recognize you
anytime you Yeah, and I think I am going out
more now.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
So I think as I've gone out more, I've been
getting recognized really consistently. So I kind of just caused
like a bit of black and I was like, wait, okay,
this is really the thing.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah yeah, all right, sorry, you're famous. Let's say, how
do you feel about me doing sex scenes on TV
as a actress?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
You know, it's it's a bit weird, but it doesn't
really FaZe me, just because, like I said, we like
tell each other so much, so it's like.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
I don't know. It's it's like I know that this acting. Well,
I just did a movie and I had a bunch
of sex scenes in it and it's coming.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Out, Like I think it would be different, like and
I also just my dad's an actor as well, Like
I know how it works, so it's like I'm not
really like I know what it actually is behind the scenes,
Like I think it would be different like that was released,
Like what do you like that would be?
Speaker 1 (45:48):
You know, what do you think about your dad and
I acting in a movie together? I think that would
be like pretty amazing. I know, actually I want to, like,
I really she want to work with Lyon, So we'll
see if that happens. Who is your favorite out of
all my former ATL castmates and who is your least favorite?
(46:09):
When my mom's filming for the show, whatever type of
energy and things that are going on when she's filming,
she does take that stuff home with her, And to
be honest with you, I end up getting in front
of it. So I would just saying whoever is coming
for her that day, and I get the brunt of it.
I don't like them that they're not my favorite.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
And you know, whoever's making my life easier and defending
her and putting her in a good movie.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
She comes back from the scene, you're my favorite. They're
being nice to me, their favorite if they're coming from me,
put her off, and now she's like in a bad
movie and then up coming home mad. Yeah, you're not
my favorite at that point exactly. Oh you know what,
this is what family traditions we have. You know what
I love? I love when we do our mom daughter trips. Yes, yes,
(46:53):
that's something we just try to do. We got to
schedule it for this year. We're supposed to go on
to cruise. Actually, yeah, but like I'm love spending one
on one time with you, going on our trips. And
I think part of that for me is I live
in like the mom guilt bubble of you know, with
all these acts in chapters and things that I've done
in my life, you know, to just be successful. I
(47:17):
missed a lot of stuff. I missed a lot of stuff.
You were taken care of. You had Nanny's, you had
Leon's mom, you had my mom. But it's not the
same as like it you actually being there, like your prejudice,
you know.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
But but she's done so much. It's like it's like
one of those things where it's like, oh my gosh,
like you're amazing, Like you provide such an amazing life.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
I'm so grateful, but like I also missed you, and
I feel like both of those feelings are valid, you know. Yeah. Okay,
so this is the last question, and it's pretty easy. Actually,
I think do you think that we are similar? No,
I don't know, like we're opposites, but we have a
(48:02):
lot it works. Yeah, but you're like not similar at all.
We're really not. But I do like that, and this
is like reflective of your life and even how you
care yourself on Instagram, Like, I do think you are
very classy, and I feel like you know at you
know in your twenties, like as a young twenty year old,
(48:24):
still you know, figuring it all out for twenty four
year old. I think that on SOI media, people don't
always big a class and I love that you handle
yourself with class. I appreciate that a lot. I would
like to think you get that from me? Yeah, right,
you did get that from here? Yes, I got it
(48:44):
from me, I would say, yeah, I don't feel like
we're similar, like I just I just truly don't. Like
I feel like you're more like an extrovert and more
of an introvert. Like I feel like we're like opposites
in so many different ways, right, I'm like big, I'm like,
don't get me wrong. My mom's like want to be healthy,
(49:04):
but like I'm like like super healthy, like.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Just like just in every way, Like I'm interested in,
like you know, doing my house a certain way, and
she's like, I'll just get whatever I can like and
just put in the house.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Like I feel like I'm easier kind of like just
very specific and like I go.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
I think the difference between you and me a lot
of times is that I like demand what I want
out of the universe and you're just like, oh, well,
like okay, but I'm like, no, I'm going to get
this And this is just.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
How that's true. That's true. And I've gotten better as
a result of like seeing how you move, Like I'm
much more specific about what I want and I'm much
more intentional about what i want and uh, which is
probably why I'm so thinkle because I just don't want
I love love to find love. I'm always looking for
my person, but I just don't want any love. I
(49:59):
want a nurturing man. I want a kind man. I
want like there's so many things that are just deal
breakers for me at this point, and I'm not going
to den my light for anyone. So this person has
to come hole and he has to be secure and
needs to want me to like shine.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
But I think he holds you accountable, you know, because
I feel like we're different in dating as well, Like
we are like definitely a lot different in dating.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Yeah, And anytime she sees me going down that road
of like getting in my light or like like I'm
not dating for the things that I know that it's
good for me in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
She's like, mmm, she calls me out basically, Well, I
just think also, I think part of that is a
generational thing too, because I feel like I'm in a
generation where like people are even going to contact with
their family members, like you know what I'm saying, Like
we're not taking anything, and it's like we're in a situation.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
We're even at a job that doesn't service we leave,
you know what I'm saying, Like you know, in their generations,
they for like thirty forty years, like we don't like
the job and it's over with, We're gonna leave. That
goes for the relationship, the friendships, the family members whatever.
Like we just try to protect protect your piece a
lot more. And I think because of that, like me
talking about your dating life, I am able to drop
(51:10):
those gems on you. Then I learn it just from
being bombs whatever you want to call it. Yeah, well
I think this is a great place to stop, you know,
just protecting our peace and just being at peace. And
I think, you know, I want my own personal piece.
I know you meet your own personal peace, and we
have to respect each other's space and peace and who
we are. You know, we are still two separate people.
(51:31):
This is my daughter. I'm her mother, but she has
her own life and her own identity, and I have
my own life and my own identity, and I respect
each other.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
And I think our relationship improved a lot too when
we stop trying to like they think that the only
one way was right. Like I think you as a parent,
like I saw you grow a lot as a parent
when you realize, like, hey, I'm not going to handle
certain things the way that you would handle it, because
there's a lot of things that you'd be like, oh,
I don't care about that, and I care about it
a lot, like you can take me under. But I
(52:03):
think once you realize, like, hey, this is my kid.
My kid is sensitive, Like I'm not sensitive, but my
kid is sensitive, and that's okay. You know, my kid
may take this harder than I'm taking it right now,
and that's okay.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
So I think once you just started, and just because
I consider myself to be strong and mean that you
have to be strong because you're who you are is
based off of your upbringing and my experience. My upbringing,
my experiences, So just embracing each other's differences is to
something that I would say is really important as well. Okay,
I love you. I love you so much. You are
(52:36):
the wind beneath my wings. I always say that, and
I hope that I have. I've done more good than
bad and good that it's been more positive than negative.
And I thank you for just loving me unconditionally because
at the end of the day, he's are the only
ones that is going to do that, and accepting me
(52:59):
for my flaws and forgiven me for my mistakes and
staying with you as well. Thank you so much, Love you,
Host
Bethenny Frankel
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