May 2, 2024 • 30 mins
Julia sits down with her daughters as they get real on doing business together, the reason for leaving the community, the uncomfortability of their mom dating and the truth about sex. It’s a conversation that only a mother and her daughters could have.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hi everyone. I'm Julia Hart.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm the star of my un Orthodox Life and the
author of the best selling book Raiser Uh, the owner
and CEO of Body by Julia Heart, which is a
shape our brand, and the mom of some really amazing children.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
My two daughters are here with us today. But and
here Hey, hi everyone, I'm but Shava.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I am the oldest of the Heart and I am
on my North Fox life as well. And I also
do content full time. So if you guys aren't following
me on Instagram, TikTok, snapchat, YouTube, all of the places you
I do a lot of like fun lifestyle girly content
for all my single ladies out there.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Hello everyone, and I'm Mariam.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I'm the youngest daughter in the family and I'm so
happy to be on this podcast. I do all things tech,
so I do tech consulting. You can check out my website.
But that I have a podcast called Faking It, and
I like to say that faking it is not not
faking orgasms and more fake it till you make it, uh,
And so definitely check out my podcast. And I'm super
excited to be talking with you all.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
All right, guys, Yeah, this is that we're gonna do it.
We figured we're gonna I'm gonna ask them questions that
we got and then they're gonna ask me questions and
hopefully a little gender, some fun conversation. All right, here
we go. Watch that. I'm Miriam. Both of you explain
your relationship with mom. Mm hmm, I love going first. Yes, Yes,
(01:49):
I was. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think people I feel like, if you watch the show,
you see that we have a very unique relationship with
our mom. It's very I think people say that we're friends,
but I always say that there's a very clear distinction
between mother daughter. We have a very big sense of
respect for our mom and that line has never been crossed.
(02:13):
So as close as we are, we all have that
friendship mom, but we also have that mother daughter and
there's that level that we don't cross in that sense
where I feel like sometimes we're like, oh my god,
I'm so close to my mom, and then they like,
you know, we'll yell back or things like that. It's like,
oh my god, that would never happen. So I feel
(02:36):
like people are always interested in.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Learning about that.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I'm like, no, no, no, Like I love my mom
super super closer. I could tell her anything, but she
is my mom, and I think that's a hard balance
for parents to have, whether like being very close with
their children but still also being like a form of authority.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
My mom walks that line very well, cool, beautiful.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Okay, So well, just one thought on that was, since
you were the oldest, was Ema like, would you say
was like the toughest on you?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Or like, was she like what do you think?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, obviously, I think every oldest child knows that you
get the most. Everything is way more strict than you.
I bet time, Yeah, I I yeah, I mean I don't.
My mom was never strict, but we were all really
good kids, so I think we never had to have
like too many rules. But whatever rules he did have,
(03:31):
we like really followed them. And then my youngest brother.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
He never had.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
There was a lot of watch whatever he wanted, hang
out with his friends whenever. But you know what, there's
like a guarantee between being I'm still happy to be
the oldest. How does it feel being a middle child?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I would say another benefit of Ema in terms of
our relationship is you're also like my business coach, you know,
like if I had your mother like in friends end.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And then also business coach like, momitor, well, don't say that.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
But yes, I think that's the truth. It's like, what's special?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I got to protect my family.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You know, you don't sign a contract without mommy looking
at it first.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
My mom's like, you can't sign a contract contract without
showing them to make I know.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
You learn very valuable lessons with our mom every day
from from all different avenues. We call our mom E
short for Ema, which means mother and Hebrew. So if
you ever hear us referring to my mom as E,
that is why.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
So I'm just at like, I'm just I think it works.
I want my grandchildren to call me just the letter.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I love it. I'm the letter.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I think it's like, oh my god, no, but can
you imagine me, buddy grandma.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
That's not happening people, So it's going to be everyone's
just gonna call it better than because as first we
call yeah, which is like yeah, he sounds like the letter. Yeah.
So what do you want to ask me? Are your
(05:30):
favorite things about us? Oh?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
My goodness, okay, how which time do we act? She
only said thirty minutes. Okay, I'll start with you because
you're the oldest. So what do I love about Eva
or so many things, so many things, I would say
number one, she made me a mom so first and foremost,
and she is. We're very different in so many ways, right,
(05:56):
And I have so much admiration for the past that
she's in.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
She's a complete self starter.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
She's crazy hardworking, she has an extraordinary work ethic, and
she goes for what she wants and then she gets it,
you know, And like.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I'm so proud that she made the move to Miami.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I think that's not an easy thing to do, to
pick up from such a close knit family and go somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And I'm so happy because you look so happy and
you just belong there. You look amazing. She just I'm
so happy that you look so happy. And you know,
you're a manifestor you go after what you want.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I'm totally in awe of how fearless she is with guys,
like you'll like you'll be the person asking someone out
and I haven't learned how to do that yet.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I'm working on it. I'm work in progress. So I
just you know, she's.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
My dating guru and my confidence coach in all things dating,
and I really admire her.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Just thinks She's incredible and also like when they should hit.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Them fan in my life, my family's there for me
and the ways that every mother dreams of, honestly, and Miriam.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Miriam is the reason I left the community.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
She's the reason I started my exodus journey.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
She is a fearless feminist. I'm so proud of the
fact that she stands up for the Jewish people, she
stands up for women, she stands up for lgbtqia. She
is a force to be reckoned with.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And I'm proud that she lives her life openly and
authentically without apology to a single humanity.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So I have pretty awesome kids. I kind of like them.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I feel like what's unique about our family is that
we all have, like you know, we obviously have some
similar interests and a lot of things that we do together,
but we also all have different things that like empower
us or we're interested in. But then we learn ways
to all connect through those things together, like whether it's
like I love like the spiritual up and I've like
(08:01):
introduced my family to that, and we're all like open
to learning different things from each other, and we all
have a lot of just like I mean just from
this like a lot of beautiful positive things easily to
say about each other because definitely we genuinely I think.
I remember we had just come out with the second
season and we were in Brazil for New Years and
(08:24):
this like family came over to us and they were like, wow,
you guys are actually.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Close, Like they thought that.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, They're like you seem like you like really like
love hanging out together, and we're like we.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Do everything together. Like.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I started Omnation, which is this website, basically to help
change the trajectory of social media because right now, you
support Jewish people, you get attacked, you lose followers, you
lose job. It's very scary out there. So I had
this concept that people will sign on to Omnation. The
more hundreds of thousands of people sign on. When someone
(09:05):
gets attacked, Omnation comes to the rescue and sends a
lot of love their way, sends a lot of follows
their way to support them so that they don't feel
low and bind enemy lines. And Miriam created the website.
Miriam did all the content. We have a show that
we're working on together. Obviously I'm not allowed to say
(09:25):
what network in the name of the show, but I
think people know that another show is coming and we're
all three in that as well. But Chevin and I
have invented a pickle brand together. It's like we do
everything together.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Shlomo is my business partner every single business I have.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
He's the CEO of my shapewear brand, and he is
like a partner of mine and so many other endeavors.
What advice should we give people to like how we've
maintained this really incredible relationship where we let ourselves be ourselves,
but we also do everything together.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
What do you think you would say?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I think I obviously give my mom that credit for
allowing us to all have our own interests and never
forcing us to do anything.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
It was more like, well what do you want to do?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And then I think when I was younger, sometimes that
would be like, well what do you think I should do?
Because like, you want like your mom's advice. But my
mom raised us very independently where we needed, like if
we wanted something, we needed to like figure out at
a certain point.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I remember I wanted to go to sleepway can't.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
My Mom's like, okay, apply, I'll pay for it, I'll
take care of it. But you need to learn how
to take those steps yourself. So I think my mom
did an amazing job about like learning up, like teaching
us responsibility, while also like, obviously we grew up. I'm
very thankful, like we had amazing opportunities, but she taught
(10:52):
us that you have to like work for things, things
aren't handed to you. We saw our mom work really
really hard. So I think understanding that, like what you
can learn from your parents is very important, and like
being able to have.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
The ability to explore what we are.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Interested in instead of being like sometimes I think parents
are like, this is what you should do, regardless if
the kid wants to do that or not, and that's
where you kind of are like, well, I'm not going
to ask your advice because you don't know what You're
telling me what you think I should be doing versus
what I actually want to be doing. So I think
having a parent who lets you explore that about yourself
(11:32):
while also giving you feedback, because obviously you want your
parents to give you advice, but when you feel like, okay,
this is my choice too. No one's forcing you to
do anything just because they are your parents, that's really
gives you the space to grow and continue seeking their advice.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Love that what me or you want to time in.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, No, I think that something that I think is
really incredible is also that you never, like kind of
adding onto m chevas that you never told us, like
you know, whenever you give us your advice, you never
say this is what you should do. You always say like,
this is what I think is the best thing to do.
You're your own and defendent person, and like Rihanna.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Like I highly encourage and you may consider this thing
that what I think is probably great to do, but
then you never say, like you should do this, Like
I don't think I've ever heard you say that. You've
always said you've done this thing, and it made it
made me reflect on that thing, which you should consider
very deeply, you know, and I really respected that always
and even even that like I've applied that the way
(12:33):
that you treated us as we were growing up, and
even like as in like one of the questions here
is like how do what ad best do you have
for daughters and moms who go into business together?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I think like because you raised us as very independent people,
it allowed us to go into business together, you know,
because you taught us how to be how to communicate
in really all circumstances and familiar circumstances and business circumstances,
and then we get to be able to do that
together and also help each other grow during that process,
which is really cool too, you know. So it's constantly
like we're growing, we're doing things together familiarly in business,
(13:05):
and then we're also helping each other grow as people.
And so I think that's what's so special about this
family is that we really invest in one another, you know.
I think, like, I think that's what really makes our
families special, Yeah, is that there's something in every single
one of us that we've all agreed in our minds
to never let go of each other.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Like I think we've agreed.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
To do that, you know, like just throughout everything we've
been through in life, we're like, I agree that we
are going to stick together. That was like a period,
you know, and we assigned that contract internally. And I
think that's what makes our relationship, all our relationships so special,
is that it's something that's constantly growing and developing as
time goes on because we were not giving up on
each other, which I really love and it makes me
(13:44):
feel whole.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
You know that's beautiful, and I think, like from my side,
you know, I think my job as a.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Parent was never I never had a vision of what
your life should be.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And I think that's a mistake a lot of people make,
is they have an idea of what their child's life
should look like, but that's based on what they wanted
their life to look like. But you have to listen
to your child. So to me, my job as a
parent was to figure out what they wanted and then
find a way to help them get there, because I mean, look,
(14:16):
we're all very strong people, we're all very highly independent,
and we have to allow ourselves to be ourselves. And
I think, you know, that's something we've all fought very
hard for together.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And I think that's another thing that makes us very close.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
We've really been through hell together, Like we've had to
fight for our freedom, we've had to fight for everything
we have, and we had to do it together. So
I think that also kind of adds a layer. Like
I was you never did like the teenageers thing, Like there.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Was never a time where you didn't think I was cool,
Like I was the coolest person in like your world,
you know what I mean? So do you think our
relationship is closer. I mean I would think.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I mean for me, for sure, I think our relationship
is closer now than before.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I think we always had Like growing up, I always
hung out with my mom.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I would play hooky, we go.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Shopping together, like, So I don't I feel like it's
just different because I'm an adult now versus being a child.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So I don't think. I think we were always close.
But I don't think there's been a huge significant change
versus age. It's just age.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Like when I was a child, the relationship look different
versus now. But I don't think it had anything to
do with us being in like a religious community.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Versus as being It's true. I think it's mostly stay
It's true, it's just you changed.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, Well what do you guys think when you
hear about my dating? Like, you know, everyone was like, well,
everybody asks me all the time. Do your kids mind
that you date younger men? How you kids react to
your dating? So guys love either, I think, you.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Know, I do?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Well, for me, it's like my mom had a twenty
nine year old boyfriend and it was fun because like
my boyfriend and we would all hang up and he
was my age, he was he was my he was
younger than me. So we had fun barbecues with all
his friends. Was like always like a big party.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
At the house.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Do I think my mom will end up with a
twenty nine year old now we're I personally am pushing
for my mom to date a guy in his forties.
So if you guys know of any eligible men who already.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But there's like no single men in their forties, they're single,
maybe they're listening to this podcast divorced in their fifties, forties,
everybody's married.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
No, we're gonna we're looking for an outlier, and I
think that it will definitely, Like that's what I'm personally
pushing the sex talk, like, I think it's beautiful that
we're able to Sometimes I don't now when she's saying something,
not in a negative I'm just like, I'm good, rare,
(17:07):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I think that one of the reasons I have such
a like easy relationship when it comes to talking about sex.
One of the reasons why like all my friends feel
like they can confide in me about their sexual whatevers
is because all nonchalant you always talked about sex. And
I remember even and this is not even like Clariti,
not Chloriti, like I remember even in our ulto orthodox community,
(17:30):
you were always you, you know, despite the restrictions, and
there was technically no rule that we couldn't talk about sex,
and so you talked about with us. And I remember
that when I was twelve years old. This is like
a memory that sticks in my head, will always stick
in my head, those twelve years old and I asked you,
how do gay people have sex? And I looked at you.
This is at the shop is table, you know, and
you like the Shabbat table for people who don't know,
(17:51):
like a ritual every week every weekend that Jews partaken
the family dinner. And you sat together and you said, well,
one way does this, another man does that. He said
exactly what it was, and I was like, oh, that
makes sense, you know, Like.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
My mom's role was like if you're old enough to ask,
you're old enough to get an answer.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
So I remember, lie to your children. Don't lie. You
don't want to answer to state, I'm not going to answer.
But when you lie, Don'll never ask you again. Don't
lie to your kids.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
So I remember having a lovely discussion with my like
seven year old brother about what periods were because he
had learned, like in a Hebrew study something about like
woman being impure in the religious world. And we start
having this full blown conversation. And I remember, like when
I was like fifteen, being like, oh my god, we're
talking about periods on the table in front of my dad.
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And my mom was like, no, he asked a question.
You should never be embarrassed about your body. This is
part of, you know, the human experience, and even though
he's small, if he was able to ask, he should
receive a real answer. And then yeah, we know we
can ask her mom anything about.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Have I ever embarrassed you guys? For sure?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I mean no, I mean embarrasses, but like in a
different way than most parents. I would say, like I remember,
like Color War in school, Like parents would bring I
don't know, like some food sometimes for like the kids,
and you would come with like a hundred cupcakes of
the color for my color War.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Like two hundred.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
You would open up your chunk of your car to
be like literally three hundred cupcakes of like the color
for my color.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
War, and you'd be like, keep it out. To all
the people you know, like like you know.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
You remember that, like and we would always win every year.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, exactly, and so it was like it was like
a weird sense of embarrassing was like yeah, that's my mom.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
But also you're welcome because we won Color War, so
you know.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, never anything like embarrassed. More just like maybe like
cringe little certain details.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Cringe. Yeah, cringe is a great way to describe it.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Word. Sometimes it's like.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I'm like, moment yeah, or it's like my friends open
up to you with their like sex lives and all
their things, and like sometimes it's like cringey. But also
it's like they feel comfortable to share.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
That everyone someone to talk to, and most people are
uncomfortable to speak to their parents because their parents aren't
awkward with them. I think that sex should be spoken
about like you speak about food or any other normal
bodily function, and all this taboo around it creates so
much trauma for so many people, and I don't want
(20:46):
that from my daughters. I want my daughters to have
very active, healthy, pleasant, pleasurable sexual lives.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Oh yeah, I'm cringe cringe, but it works.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I feel like filming the show together for I mean,
I'm assuming it's always similar.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Answer for all of us.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
But people always ask, like, what's it like like filming
with your family? And I always say, like, I love it,
Like I love that we have the opportunity to work
together and it doesn't feel like work because like we're
able to like just be ourselves.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Because we like to hang out all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Anyways, Like the biggest thing for me when I moved
to Miami was that I wasn't going to be as
close to my family because I've always been like a
ten minute walk for my mom's apartment and I would
literally go there like every day for.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Lunch, so I was always there.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
But yeah, but I was like, Okay, this is what
I'm gonna have to be I'm going to miss the most.
So I think like having the opportunity to work with
your family and film together and like show how we
all get along has been so rewarding and beautiful.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And once this is over, we're gonna probably and got
Miami too, So it's all the biggest I need some
sunshine in my life.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, none of us are tattooed people, but if we
were gonna get matching tattoos, what would our tattoos on
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Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
What would you do with a tattoo? As a Jewish mom? Guys,
it's a very important question. What would I do? I
would be like, wow, so beautiful, and you'd be like,
I wouldn't say that. I would not you know, yeah,
I'm trying anything, like if there's anything physically you did
to your body.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Like the one thing that I think would kind of
freak me out is marrying. Every once and Mole says
I'm shaving my hair, and I'm like, oh, don't do it.
But that's because in my world hair, being able to
wear hair out in the open is like my freedom flag.
So like I imagine the favor. Yeah, it means to me,
it means freedom having hair, you know. So, But like, okay, tattoo. Honestly,
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the only tattoo I could ever see getting, especially with
what's going on in the outside world, is a star
of David. I was going to get a tattoo would
be like a heart with a big startup David in
the middle.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I think we would all do that.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I think we're all pretty like if we would get tattoos,
it would be about what we believe in, you know,
women juice all women and and you know, no more hatred,
no more racism.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Mhmm, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Where do you think you love to shop the most
now that you can wear whatever you want? Well, I
like to design my own clothes. I like wearing my
stuff best to be.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
But if we were all, if there is a store,
because Miriam has, well, we all have kind of different style, but.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
More I like, I like to borrow things.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I borrow all my mom's accessories and outerwear and basically
whatever I can fit into tops, jackets. But Miriam has
a different aesthetic than we do, so I feel youthetic.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
But I like it.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Find like, now you have an aesthetic, like your clothes
are finding it, but I experimenting. You're playing and your
clothes because that, to me is what clothing is fashion.
Why I love fashion so much. Is it the melding.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Of the creativity of the person who designed the clothing
with the individuality the person wearing it and how they
wear it. And to me, it's an expression of who
you are as a person.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And I think Miriam is finding her way and finding
her style and I think it's super cool. But yeah,
but Schev and I wear I would wear anything she
wears I would wear anything you wear.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I can't think.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
So I have a funny story to share. I was
just going on a date. Well I'm visiting LA and
I'm like why not? And I put on the stress
and my mom's like is that sexy enough for a
first date? And I feel like most moms wouldn't be
like you should show more cleavage, and are you really
it looks a little covered?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Was sob but I was like, so I did go
on the date.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
And the guy when I was on the date, he
was like, I really like I you know, I love
what you're wearing. And he was like, did you know
that it's like a tiny drop see through? And I
was like, yes, that was aware. But I said this
to my mom and she was like, if it's gonna
be a dark restaurant, he won't be able to see him.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
She's like, see you. I was like, okay, that's true,
but in the dark restaurant.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And You'm sure it wasn't like see you through, see you,
but it was like slightly shere where you can see
my legs.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's like in certain lighting.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
And I told him like, well, my mom wanted me
to dress more provocatively on this date and he was like.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Who's your mom? He's like, I appreciate her looking out
for me. It was funny, but but needless to say,
I feel like if.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
We were to all go on a little shopping spree together,
it would have to be like an apartment stores, so
we could all find our specific things that we like.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
One story.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I don't think we can all agree on. We all
wear very different brands too, Yeah, which is right?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
What's one piece of advice you would give to other
mothers and daughters to strengthen their bond?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Ooh, I like that where you want to start?
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yeah, I can start, Okay, So for this, I think
taking accepting people for who they are as they are
in the moment, and wanting to find a way to
meet common grounds with the relationship with the other person.
I think like that's really how we strengthen our bonds,
is that we always try to see each other where
(26:41):
we're at and work to strengthen and like build from there.
So that's one thing finding commonality too, Like finding things
to do together. I think something that in our family
we're always doing things together, you know, like me and
Slim will work out together.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
We do business together, I.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Mean chaba like top of the phone a lot, and
do other works business together too, And so it's like
we're always.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Having multiple reasons to talk, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
So it's not just like how are you, but also
like what's the update on this thing? And it's like,
you know, like i'll see you at this time.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
We always we have.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Our Saturday brunches that we like to keep to when
we're all in the same city and like, you know,
so it's like having multiple reasons to be together. I
think really helps strengthen a bond.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Two there's a good one.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
From my perspective, it's unconditional love. The minute you put
conditions on loving someone. To me, it's over. Because for
mothers and daughters to truly truly have this relationship that
cannot be broken, every person needs to know that no
matter what you do, your mother's still going to love you, your.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Sister is still going to love you. We are family
no matter what, through thick and thin, and it has
no conditions.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I grew up where love was very conditional. You dress
this way, you act this way. Your love you don't
behave you're not And that is what I tried to change.
When I was a mom, my kids always knew they
could come to me with anything. I would never judge them,
and no matter what, no matter what, they are the
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people I love most in life.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
For all, eternetic, I love you too, I remember now,
but I was specific all this is specifically for the
daughters that I think as you get older, you realize
that your mom is a person as well. And I
think that once I understood that that like your you know,
(28:38):
your mom has her own aspirations, her own dreams, her
own things that she wants or questions or changes.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And understanding that your parents are people.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Like you know, like they're doing their own thing, learning,
growing just like you are. And to take away that
like form of you're like, oh like you understanding that
your parents are people, I think is like one of
the most things that like brought us closer as I
became an adult, because I was like, oh, wait, you're
(29:09):
because it's always like you see your teacher at a
grocery store and you're like, why is my teacher here?
Like she belongs in school, and you would then if
you like apply that kind of like your mom is
a human and she's going to her own things and
has her own dreams and being able to support that
as a kid. I think you don't necessarily understand until
you're an adult. I think once you do that, you
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have like even more respect for your parents and understanding
about your relationship because you're aware of that. And I
think that like more daughters need to internalize that their
mothers are people and we shortened part like everyone.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Else exactly, so you need to.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I think sometimes people put their parents on a pedestal
and then that makes them not relatable anymore. But when
you realize, like, oh, we're all going to things, we
can talk about it, then it helps strengthen your relationship.
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Hi everyone. I'm Julia Hart.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm the star of my un Orthodox Life and the
author of the best selling book Raiser Uh, the owner
and CEO of Body by Julia Heart, which is a
shape our brand, and the mom of some really amazing children.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
My two daughters are here with us today. But and
here Hey, hi everyone, I'm but Shava.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I am the oldest of the Heart and I am
on my North Fox life as well. And I also
do content full time. So if you guys aren't following
me on Instagram, TikTok, snapchat, YouTube, all of the places you
I do a lot of like fun lifestyle girly content
for all my single ladies out there.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Hello everyone, and I'm Mariam.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I'm the youngest daughter in the family and I'm so
happy to be on this podcast. I do all things tech,
so I do tech consulting. You can check out my website.
But that I have a podcast called Faking It, and
I like to say that faking it is not not
faking orgasms and more fake it till you make it, uh,
And so definitely check out my podcast. And I'm super
excited to be talking with you all.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
All right, guys, Yeah, this is that we're gonna do it.
We figured we're gonna I'm gonna ask them questions that
we got and then they're gonna ask me questions and
hopefully a little gender, some fun conversation. All right, here
we go. Watch that. I'm Miriam. Both of you explain
your relationship with mom. Mm hmm, I love going first. Yes, Yes,
(01:49):
I was. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think people I feel like, if you watch the show,
you see that we have a very unique relationship with
our mom. It's very I think people say that we're friends,
but I always say that there's a very clear distinction
between mother daughter. We have a very big sense of
respect for our mom and that line has never been crossed.
(02:13):
So as close as we are, we all have that
friendship mom, but we also have that mother daughter and
there's that level that we don't cross in that sense
where I feel like sometimes we're like, oh my god,
I'm so close to my mom, and then they like,
you know, we'll yell back or things like that. It's like,
oh my god, that would never happen. So I feel
(02:36):
like people are always interested in.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Learning about that.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I'm like, no, no, no, Like I love my mom
super super closer. I could tell her anything, but she
is my mom, and I think that's a hard balance
for parents to have, whether like being very close with
their children but still also being like a form of authority.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
My mom walks that line very well, cool, beautiful.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Okay, So well, just one thought on that was, since
you were the oldest, was Ema like, would you say
was like the toughest on you?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Or like, was she like what do you think?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, obviously, I think every oldest child knows that you
get the most. Everything is way more strict than you.
I bet time, Yeah, I I yeah, I mean I don't.
My mom was never strict, but we were all really
good kids, so I think we never had to have
like too many rules. But whatever rules he did have,
(03:31):
we like really followed them. And then my youngest brother.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
He never had.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
There was a lot of watch whatever he wanted, hang
out with his friends whenever. But you know what, there's
like a guarantee between being I'm still happy to be
the oldest. How does it feel being a middle child?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I would say another benefit of Ema in terms of
our relationship is you're also like my business coach, you know,
like if I had your mother like in friends end.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And then also business coach like, momitor, well, don't say that.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
But yes, I think that's the truth. It's like, what's special?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I got to protect my family.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You know, you don't sign a contract without mommy looking
at it first.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
My mom's like, you can't sign a contract contract without
showing them to make I know.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
You learn very valuable lessons with our mom every day
from from all different avenues. We call our mom E
short for Ema, which means mother and Hebrew. So if
you ever hear us referring to my mom as E,
that is why.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
So I'm just at like, I'm just I think it works.
I want my grandchildren to call me just the letter.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I love it. I'm the letter.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I think it's like, oh my god, no, but can
you imagine me, buddy grandma.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
That's not happening people, So it's going to be everyone's
just gonna call it better than because as first we
call yeah, which is like yeah, he sounds like the letter. Yeah.
So what do you want to ask me? Are your
(05:30):
favorite things about us? Oh?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
My goodness, okay, how which time do we act? She
only said thirty minutes. Okay, I'll start with you because
you're the oldest. So what do I love about Eva
or so many things, so many things, I would say
number one, she made me a mom so first and foremost,
and she is. We're very different in so many ways, right,
(05:56):
And I have so much admiration for the past that
she's in.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
She's a complete self starter.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
She's crazy hardworking, she has an extraordinary work ethic, and
she goes for what she wants and then she gets it,
you know, And like.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I'm so proud that she made the move to Miami.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I think that's not an easy thing to do, to
pick up from such a close knit family and go somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And I'm so happy because you look so happy and
you just belong there. You look amazing. She just I'm
so happy that you look so happy. And you know,
you're a manifestor you go after what you want.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I'm totally in awe of how fearless she is with guys,
like you'll like you'll be the person asking someone out
and I haven't learned how to do that yet.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I'm working on it. I'm work in progress. So I
just you know, she's.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
My dating guru and my confidence coach in all things dating,
and I really admire her.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Just thinks She's incredible and also like when they should hit.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Them fan in my life, my family's there for me
and the ways that every mother dreams of, honestly, and Miriam.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Miriam is the reason I left the community.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
She's the reason I started my exodus journey.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
She is a fearless feminist. I'm so proud of the
fact that she stands up for the Jewish people, she
stands up for women, she stands up for lgbtqia. She
is a force to be reckoned with.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And I'm proud that she lives her life openly and
authentically without apology to a single humanity.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So I have pretty awesome kids. I kind of like them.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I feel like what's unique about our family is that
we all have, like you know, we obviously have some
similar interests and a lot of things that we do together,
but we also all have different things that like empower
us or we're interested in. But then we learn ways
to all connect through those things together, like whether it's
like I love like the spiritual up and I've like
(08:01):
introduced my family to that, and we're all like open
to learning different things from each other, and we all
have a lot of just like I mean just from
this like a lot of beautiful positive things easily to
say about each other because definitely we genuinely I think.
I remember we had just come out with the second
season and we were in Brazil for New Years and
(08:24):
this like family came over to us and they were like, wow,
you guys are actually.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Close, Like they thought that.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, They're like you seem like you like really like
love hanging out together, and we're like we.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Do everything together. Like.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I started Omnation, which is this website, basically to help
change the trajectory of social media because right now, you
support Jewish people, you get attacked, you lose followers, you
lose job. It's very scary out there. So I had
this concept that people will sign on to Omnation. The
more hundreds of thousands of people sign on. When someone
(09:05):
gets attacked, Omnation comes to the rescue and sends a
lot of love their way, sends a lot of follows
their way to support them so that they don't feel
low and bind enemy lines. And Miriam created the website.
Miriam did all the content. We have a show that
we're working on together. Obviously I'm not allowed to say
(09:25):
what network in the name of the show, but I
think people know that another show is coming and we're
all three in that as well. But Chevin and I
have invented a pickle brand together. It's like we do
everything together.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Shlomo is my business partner every single business I have.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
He's the CEO of my shapewear brand, and he is
like a partner of mine and so many other endeavors.
What advice should we give people to like how we've
maintained this really incredible relationship where we let ourselves be ourselves,
but we also do everything together.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
What do you think you would say?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I think I obviously give my mom that credit for
allowing us to all have our own interests and never
forcing us to do anything.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
It was more like, well what do you want to do?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And then I think when I was younger, sometimes that
would be like, well what do you think I should do?
Because like, you want like your mom's advice. But my
mom raised us very independently where we needed, like if
we wanted something, we needed to like figure out at
a certain point.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I remember I wanted to go to sleepway can't.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
My Mom's like, okay, apply, I'll pay for it, I'll
take care of it. But you need to learn how
to take those steps yourself. So I think my mom
did an amazing job about like learning up, like teaching
us responsibility, while also like, obviously we grew up. I'm
very thankful, like we had amazing opportunities, but she taught
(10:52):
us that you have to like work for things, things
aren't handed to you. We saw our mom work really
really hard. So I think understanding that, like what you
can learn from your parents is very important, and like
being able to have.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
The ability to explore what we are.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Interested in instead of being like sometimes I think parents
are like, this is what you should do, regardless if
the kid wants to do that or not, and that's
where you kind of are like, well, I'm not going
to ask your advice because you don't know what You're
telling me what you think I should be doing versus
what I actually want to be doing. So I think
having a parent who lets you explore that about yourself
(11:32):
while also giving you feedback, because obviously you want your
parents to give you advice, but when you feel like, okay,
this is my choice too. No one's forcing you to
do anything just because they are your parents, that's really
gives you the space to grow and continue seeking their advice.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Love that what me or you want to time in.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, No, I think that something that I think is
really incredible is also that you never, like kind of
adding onto m chevas that you never told us, like
you know, whenever you give us your advice, you never
say this is what you should do. You always say like,
this is what I think is the best thing to do.
You're your own and defendent person, and like Rihanna.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Like I highly encourage and you may consider this thing
that what I think is probably great to do, but
then you never say, like you should do this, Like
I don't think I've ever heard you say that. You've
always said you've done this thing, and it made it
made me reflect on that thing, which you should consider
very deeply, you know, and I really respected that always
and even even that like I've applied that the way
(12:33):
that you treated us as we were growing up, and
even like as in like one of the questions here
is like how do what ad best do you have
for daughters and moms who go into business together?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I think like because you raised us as very independent people,
it allowed us to go into business together, you know,
because you taught us how to be how to communicate
in really all circumstances and familiar circumstances and business circumstances,
and then we get to be able to do that
together and also help each other grow during that process,
which is really cool too, you know. So it's constantly
like we're growing, we're doing things together familiarly in business,
(13:05):
and then we're also helping each other grow as people.
And so I think that's what's so special about this
family is that we really invest in one another, you know.
I think, like, I think that's what really makes our
families special, Yeah, is that there's something in every single
one of us that we've all agreed in our minds
to never let go of each other.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Like I think we've agreed.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
To do that, you know, like just throughout everything we've
been through in life, we're like, I agree that we
are going to stick together. That was like a period,
you know, and we assigned that contract internally. And I
think that's what makes our relationship, all our relationships so special,
is that it's something that's constantly growing and developing as
time goes on because we were not giving up on
each other, which I really love and it makes me
(13:44):
feel whole.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
You know that's beautiful, and I think, like from my side,
you know, I think my job as a.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Parent was never I never had a vision of what
your life should be.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And I think that's a mistake a lot of people make,
is they have an idea of what their child's life
should look like, but that's based on what they wanted
their life to look like. But you have to listen
to your child. So to me, my job as a
parent was to figure out what they wanted and then
find a way to help them get there, because I mean, look,
(14:16):
we're all very strong people, we're all very highly independent,
and we have to allow ourselves to be ourselves. And
I think, you know, that's something we've all fought very
hard for together.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And I think that's another thing that makes us very close.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
We've really been through hell together, Like we've had to
fight for our freedom, we've had to fight for everything
we have, and we had to do it together. So
I think that also kind of adds a layer. Like
I was you never did like the teenageers thing, Like there.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Was never a time where you didn't think I was cool,
Like I was the coolest person in like your world,
you know what I mean? So do you think our
relationship is closer. I mean I would think.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I mean for me, for sure, I think our relationship
is closer now than before.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I think we always had Like growing up, I always
hung out with my mom.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I would play hooky, we go.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Shopping together, like, So I don't I feel like it's
just different because I'm an adult now versus being a child.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So I don't think. I think we were always close.
But I don't think there's been a huge significant change
versus age. It's just age.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Like when I was a child, the relationship look different
versus now. But I don't think it had anything to
do with us being in like a religious community.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Versus as being It's true. I think it's mostly stay
It's true, it's just you changed.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, Well what do you guys think when you
hear about my dating? Like, you know, everyone was like, well,
everybody asks me all the time. Do your kids mind
that you date younger men? How you kids react to
your dating? So guys love either, I think, you.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Know, I do?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Well, for me, it's like my mom had a twenty
nine year old boyfriend and it was fun because like
my boyfriend and we would all hang up and he
was my age, he was he was my he was
younger than me. So we had fun barbecues with all
his friends. Was like always like a big party.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
At the house.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Do I think my mom will end up with a
twenty nine year old now we're I personally am pushing
for my mom to date a guy in his forties.
So if you guys know of any eligible men who already.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But there's like no single men in their forties, they're single,
maybe they're listening to this podcast divorced in their fifties, forties,
everybody's married.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
No, we're gonna we're looking for an outlier, and I
think that it will definitely, Like that's what I'm personally
pushing the sex talk, like, I think it's beautiful that
we're able to Sometimes I don't now when she's saying something,
not in a negative I'm just like, I'm good, rare,
(17:07):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I think that one of the reasons I have such
a like easy relationship when it comes to talking about sex.
One of the reasons why like all my friends feel
like they can confide in me about their sexual whatevers
is because all nonchalant you always talked about sex. And
I remember even and this is not even like Clariti,
not Chloriti, like I remember even in our ulto orthodox community,
(17:30):
you were always you, you know, despite the restrictions, and
there was technically no rule that we couldn't talk about sex,
and so you talked about with us. And I remember
that when I was twelve years old. This is like
a memory that sticks in my head, will always stick
in my head, those twelve years old and I asked you,
how do gay people have sex? And I looked at you.
This is at the shop is table, you know, and
you like the Shabbat table for people who don't know,
(17:51):
like a ritual every week every weekend that Jews partaken
the family dinner. And you sat together and you said, well,
one way does this, another man does that. He said
exactly what it was, and I was like, oh, that
makes sense, you know, Like.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
My mom's role was like if you're old enough to ask,
you're old enough to get an answer.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
So I remember, lie to your children. Don't lie. You
don't want to answer to state, I'm not going to answer.
But when you lie, Don'll never ask you again. Don't
lie to your kids.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
So I remember having a lovely discussion with my like
seven year old brother about what periods were because he
had learned, like in a Hebrew study something about like
woman being impure in the religious world. And we start
having this full blown conversation. And I remember, like when
I was like fifteen, being like, oh my god, we're
talking about periods on the table in front of my dad.
(18:42):
And my mom was like, no, he asked a question.
You should never be embarrassed about your body. This is
part of, you know, the human experience, and even though
he's small, if he was able to ask, he should
receive a real answer. And then yeah, we know we
can ask her mom anything about.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Have I ever embarrassed you guys? For sure?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I mean no, I mean embarrasses, but like in a
different way than most parents. I would say, like I remember,
like Color War in school, Like parents would bring I
don't know, like some food sometimes for like the kids,
and you would come with like a hundred cupcakes of
the color for my color War.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Like two hundred.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
You would open up your chunk of your car to
be like literally three hundred cupcakes of like the color
for my color.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
War, and you'd be like, keep it out. To all
the people you know, like like you know.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
You remember that, like and we would always win every year.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, exactly, and so it was like it was like
a weird sense of embarrassing was like yeah, that's my mom.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
But also you're welcome because we won Color War, so
you know.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, never anything like embarrassed. More just like maybe like
cringe little certain details.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Cringe. Yeah, cringe is a great way to describe it.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Word. Sometimes it's like.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I'm like, moment yeah, or it's like my friends open
up to you with their like sex lives and all
their things, and like sometimes it's like cringey. But also
it's like they feel comfortable to share.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
That everyone someone to talk to, and most people are
uncomfortable to speak to their parents because their parents aren't
awkward with them. I think that sex should be spoken
about like you speak about food or any other normal
bodily function, and all this taboo around it creates so
much trauma for so many people, and I don't want
(20:46):
that from my daughters. I want my daughters to have
very active, healthy, pleasant, pleasurable sexual lives.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Oh yeah, I'm cringe cringe, but it works.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I feel like filming the show together for I mean,
I'm assuming it's always similar.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Answer for all of us.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
But people always ask, like, what's it like like filming
with your family? And I always say, like, I love it,
Like I love that we have the opportunity to work
together and it doesn't feel like work because like we're
able to like just be ourselves.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Because we like to hang out all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Anyways, Like the biggest thing for me when I moved
to Miami was that I wasn't going to be as
close to my family because I've always been like a
ten minute walk for my mom's apartment and I would
literally go there like every day for.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Lunch, so I was always there.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
But yeah, but I was like, Okay, this is what
I'm gonna have to be I'm going to miss the most.
So I think like having the opportunity to work with
your family and film together and like show how we
all get along has been so rewarding and beautiful.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And once this is over, we're gonna probably and got
Miami too, So it's all the biggest I need some
sunshine in my life.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, none of us are tattooed people, but if we
were gonna get matching tattoos, what would our tattoos on
(22:26):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
What would you do with a tattoo? As a Jewish mom? Guys,
it's a very important question. What would I do? I
would be like, wow, so beautiful, and you'd be like,
I wouldn't say that. I would not you know, yeah,
I'm trying anything, like if there's anything physically you did
to your body.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Like the one thing that I think would kind of
freak me out is marrying. Every once and Mole says
I'm shaving my hair, and I'm like, oh, don't do it.
But that's because in my world hair, being able to
wear hair out in the open is like my freedom flag.
So like I imagine the favor. Yeah, it means to me,
it means freedom having hair, you know. So, But like, okay, tattoo. Honestly,
(23:09):
the only tattoo I could ever see getting, especially with
what's going on in the outside world, is a star
of David. I was going to get a tattoo would
be like a heart with a big startup David in
the middle.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I think we would all do that.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I think we're all pretty like if we would get tattoos,
it would be about what we believe in, you know,
women juice all women and and you know, no more hatred,
no more racism.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Mhmm, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Where do you think you love to shop the most
now that you can wear whatever you want? Well, I
like to design my own clothes. I like wearing my
stuff best to be.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
But if we were all, if there is a store,
because Miriam has, well, we all have kind of different style, but.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
More I like, I like to borrow things.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I borrow all my mom's accessories and outerwear and basically
whatever I can fit into tops, jackets. But Miriam has
a different aesthetic than we do, so I feel youthetic.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
But I like it.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Find like, now you have an aesthetic, like your clothes
are finding it, but I experimenting. You're playing and your
clothes because that, to me is what clothing is fashion.
Why I love fashion so much. Is it the melding.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Of the creativity of the person who designed the clothing
with the individuality the person wearing it and how they
wear it. And to me, it's an expression of who
you are as a person.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And I think Miriam is finding her way and finding
her style and I think it's super cool. But yeah,
but Schev and I wear I would wear anything she
wears I would wear anything you wear.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I can't think.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
So I have a funny story to share. I was
just going on a date. Well I'm visiting LA and
I'm like why not? And I put on the stress
and my mom's like is that sexy enough for a
first date? And I feel like most moms wouldn't be
like you should show more cleavage, and are you really
it looks a little covered?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Was sob but I was like, so I did go
on the date.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
And the guy when I was on the date, he
was like, I really like I you know, I love
what you're wearing. And he was like, did you know
that it's like a tiny drop see through? And I
was like, yes, that was aware. But I said this
to my mom and she was like, if it's gonna
be a dark restaurant, he won't be able to see him.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
She's like, see you. I was like, okay, that's true,
but in the dark restaurant.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And You'm sure it wasn't like see you through, see you,
but it was like slightly shere where you can see
my legs.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's like in certain lighting.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
And I told him like, well, my mom wanted me
to dress more provocatively on this date and he was like.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Who's your mom? He's like, I appreciate her looking out
for me. It was funny, but but needless to say,
I feel like if.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
We were to all go on a little shopping spree together,
it would have to be like an apartment stores, so
we could all find our specific things that we like.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
One story.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I don't think we can all agree on. We all
wear very different brands too, Yeah, which is right?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
What's one piece of advice you would give to other
mothers and daughters to strengthen their bond?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Ooh, I like that where you want to start?
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yeah, I can start, Okay, So for this, I think
taking accepting people for who they are as they are
in the moment, and wanting to find a way to
meet common grounds with the relationship with the other person.
I think like that's really how we strengthen our bonds,
is that we always try to see each other where
(26:41):
we're at and work to strengthen and like build from there.
So that's one thing finding commonality too, Like finding things
to do together. I think something that in our family
we're always doing things together, you know, like me and
Slim will work out together.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
We do business together, I.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Mean chaba like top of the phone a lot, and
do other works business together too, And so it's like
we're always.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Having multiple reasons to talk, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
So it's not just like how are you, but also
like what's the update on this thing? And it's like,
you know, like i'll see you at this time.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
We always we have.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Our Saturday brunches that we like to keep to when
we're all in the same city and like, you know,
so it's like having multiple reasons to be together. I
think really helps strengthen a bond.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Two there's a good one.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
From my perspective, it's unconditional love. The minute you put
conditions on loving someone. To me, it's over. Because for
mothers and daughters to truly truly have this relationship that
cannot be broken, every person needs to know that no
matter what you do, your mother's still going to love you, your.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Sister is still going to love you. We are family
no matter what, through thick and thin, and it has
no conditions.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I grew up where love was very conditional. You dress
this way, you act this way. Your love you don't
behave you're not And that is what I tried to change.
When I was a mom, my kids always knew they
could come to me with anything. I would never judge them,
and no matter what, no matter what, they are the
(28:15):
people I love most in life.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
For all, eternetic, I love you too, I remember now,
but I was specific all this is specifically for the
daughters that I think as you get older, you realize
that your mom is a person as well. And I
think that once I understood that that like your you know,
(28:38):
your mom has her own aspirations, her own dreams, her
own things that she wants or questions or changes.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And understanding that your parents are people.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Like you know, like they're doing their own thing, learning,
growing just like you are. And to take away that
like form of you're like, oh like you understanding that
your parents are people, I think is like one of
the most things that like brought us closer as I
became an adult, because I was like, oh, wait, you're
(29:09):
because it's always like you see your teacher at a
grocery store and you're like, why is my teacher here?
Like she belongs in school, and you would then if
you like apply that kind of like your mom is
a human and she's going to her own things and
has her own dreams and being able to support that
as a kid. I think you don't necessarily understand until
you're an adult. I think once you do that, you
(29:31):
have like even more respect for your parents and understanding
about your relationship because you're aware of that. And I
think that like more daughters need to internalize that their
mothers are people and we shortened part like everyone.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Else exactly, so you need to.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I think sometimes people put their parents on a pedestal
and then that makes them not relatable anymore. But when
you realize, like, oh, we're all going to things, we
can talk about it, then it helps strengthen your relationship.
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