January 31, 2025 • 15 mins
This one has taken some... strange turns. Toxicity at 100%.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
What the actual fuck with Blake and Justin.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I can't believe I haven't discussed with you guys, Blake
Lively and Justin Baldoni. I don't even really understand what's
going on. Kennice Owens has retired from her career and
is literally focused solely.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
On talking about them at this point.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's like people are fixated because people have never seen
something like this, And I don't think people are actually
fixated with the two of them. I don't think it's
that they're fascinating creatures. I think it's the labyrinth and
the cobweb and the spider actually the spider web, and
like the tentacles and the people and the multiple lawsuits
and if you don't know they were in the movie,
(00:48):
it ends with us and it's about domestic violence. And
Blake did the premiere and at the premiere was promoting
her personal products and it hit wrong in the mob
and the world of social media because she was promoting
cocktails and spring florals and it was a domestic violence
movie and she was trying to like jam all the
(01:08):
promotion into one red carpet. And I did videos saying
that it's like an archaic model where the representatives don't
understand the modern day and how to do PR in
twenty twenty four versus like when these A list actors
used to be sort of owned by studios and just
pushed out there to push the product. And the PR
(01:29):
agents used to be able to control the media because
what used to happen, and it happens in places like
the Kardashians, like where Chris Jenner. If there's a bad
picture that comes out of someone, she can be like,
and I think they might have invested in one of
the photo agencies. But she can be like, we'll give
you another picture if you put take that one down,
or we're not going to let you talk to anyone
from the family if you say something bad about one
member of the family. You know, and PR agents can say,
(01:52):
I'm not letting you talk to this a list star
or holding that a list star that everyone wants to
hear from leverage, because then you have to talk to
this other person and you have to make the article
look like this.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
This stuff all happens.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
The PR used to be able to really and even
agents manage the machine.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I've literally seen PR.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
People and agents get together to manipulate a situation like
a Chris humpreason it kame Kardashian like when they were
breaking up. That was a full hands on deck, proactive
preemptive strike how to like manipulate the media. And the
Kardashians owned the media and the media cycle and the covers,
and that worked. It doesn't work in twenty twenty four
because the mob runs the media. The TikTok Instagram universe
(02:38):
runs the main the media. Yes, they use the media
for like a guideline, like an article comes out in
people about Blake and Justin and then they go run wild,
but they could run wild off of just a photo
or a lawsuit that comes out, because they'll read the
lawsuit themselves. So anyway, I did a whole thing about that,
and that was the beginning because Blake was getting crushed
and Blake was beloved, Like I didn't really know anything
(03:00):
about her. I asked someone who worked closer to her,
who said she was very nice that I asked someone
who's very knowledgeable in the entertainment industry at large, and
they said that there's like a cool girl's click with her,
and I think Gigi or some of the models and
tailor and it's like a very like the Pretty Girls Club,
and it's what you would imagine in that type.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Of a club.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So I heard different things, But I've thought she was
stop beautiful and she looks amazing at the met Gala,
and people come into my comments and say she's not
a lish is a minus list. I don't know, with
the combination of her and Ryan Reynolds and her owning
the Met Gala and nailing fashion and all this stuff
and seeming perfect and everything they said was so charming
(03:42):
and cute, like I thought they were a listen who
gives a shit. But it's weird how the tides can turn.
So she took a massive tumble after that red carpet,
and it's like to see someone like her who's seemingly
so perfect, And what's fucked up is that everybody celebrated
her for all that perfection and all that blondness and
all that high school you know, most popular girl stick whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's what's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
People slam you down for the same shit that brought
you up there, and it's scary, so blake lively to me,
it was like, you know, and everything they said was adorable,
and if charming is a red flag, I don't know.
I just know that the two of them were so
charming as a couple, and everything was diffused with humor,
and everything was like an inside joke and how much
they love each other and how they're always playing jokes
on each other, and everybody was just devouring it. Okay,
(04:26):
so we can pretend whatever we want to pretend. People
were obsessed with them myself, like, they just seemed like
adorable couple one oh one. So something went sideways on
that movie. It ends with Us, and it seemed like
she was getting fucking crushed. He seemed like he was
getting crushed first, because they were separate at the premiere,
and I was at that premiere and they were separate
(04:46):
at the premiere and everything was separate at the premiere.
And I didn't even stay to watch the movie at
the premiere because the vibes were so cringy and creepy,
but I couldn't place it. And one of her people
was extremely cold to me, disproportionately sort of dismissive to me,
and it was weird. The energy was weird, the vibes
were off. I remember seeing Anna Wintry there and I
(05:07):
was like, shit, I'm gonna get canceled for leaving this premiere.
But we were like cordoned off to some bizarre separate
movie theater, and the premiere was like divided in all
these different theaters, which was so strange. And when I
walked in, I usually you go to a main theater,
like it's a big theater. You go to the main
theater to see the premiere. It felt like I was
like nobody puts baby in the corner. And when we
(05:27):
walked in, I saw this guy and he goes, oh,
you know Justin and I was like, oh, I didn't
even know who was in them. I knew Blake was
in the movie. I didn't know what the movie was about.
I didn't know who was in the movie. I was
excited to go to the premiere because Blake Lively was
in the movie. I didn't even know they made movies anymore,
and so I was excited to go to the premiere
wear my pink dress and Blake Lively. And I walked
in and someone was like, you know Justin And I
(05:49):
didn't remember that he was on my podcast, but I
once I did remember.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I remembered him being.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Nice on the podcast, and this guy and I said
all out to justin. He was wearing purple. I went
to walk into that theater, someone was like, oh, no,
your tickets are over there, and then we ended up
in some tiny theater and no one was in there.
There were like three people in there. I'm like, so,
why don't I watch the movie fucking in my living
room in a couple of months. I don't get it,
which I actually should, but you can't leave a premiere
after the carpet without seeing the movie. The thing is
(06:17):
that after the Red Carpet there was an hour break
between the carpet and the movie, which I personally have
never seen. And it's like, seemingly so the cast can
get down the carpet, but it's not the cast of
fucking fame the movie. It's not ten thousand people, So
I don't know why it would take so long for
an hour. Usually it's like everybody goes sits in their
(06:37):
seats inside the premiere, and then the people that are
the celebrities and the cast, they're out there for like
fifteen twenty minutes, maybe thirty minutes, but it's never like
an hour. And you're in one of those movie theaters
that I has, like all the escalators and there's no
real place to hang out. There's no living room or bar.
You're in heels and you're in a lobby and you're like,
what the fuck are we doing? So Danielle and I
went to go get Margarita's as one does, and walked
(06:57):
in the rain and my dress had a malfunction. Everything
has to be a shit show with me, and we
came back. We made the effort to come back, get
the popcorn. Go towards into the movie, saw Anna Winter
wanted to say hello to her, choked because what was
I supposed to say? Then saw Justin then was put
over to that like baby in the corner movie theater
that had no one in it, and I was like,
what are we doing? It's what the fuck out of here?
(07:19):
And we got the fuck out of there. And now
months later there's a massive lawsuit, one massive lawsuit. They
wished ten lawsuits about this movie. And I hear that,
like Justin saying that he was allegedly in the basement
with his friends to watch the premiere, like he was
put in one place. And then it all came together
and I was like, that does seem it did seem
fucking weird. That night everything seems separate and weird. So
(07:57):
everyone is fixated and fascinated with this lawsuit, which has
entanglements and tentacles. I don't know what happened. I'm not
pretending I have no side. I'm just talking about the thing.
Both parties are suffering immeasurably, so like, I don't think
that either party thought that they would go this deep
(08:19):
into the abyss. But I think that she brought the
New York Times article into it. This whole thing wasn't
clear from the beginning. I did a video saying I
don't understand what she's actually suing for Blake Lively's suing,
and then I'm like, what is she suing for? I'm
not saying she did anything right or wrong. I didn't
know one thing. I never pretend to know something. I
don't know what exactly. It wasn't clear from the jump.
(08:42):
It wouldn't have really mattered. I guess if it said so,
because I think that this team just thought that, like
it was the archaic model of pr where you just
get to say something, the media goes along with you
and like that's.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
It, it's over.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So they said they what they said, it got out
and then there was a New York Times article and
it's the seaside, It's the pendulum. The New York Times
article comes out, everybody's team Blake. Everybody hates Justin. Just
like the Red Carpet, everybody hated Justin. They were separate,
then everybody was team Justin.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And it tracks that there have been discussions of smear
campaigns because it seems like smear campaigns. But I know
TikTok and pretty well, and TikTok and Instagram can do
a great job of that on their own. They just
need to sticks to rub together. So now this whole
New York Times article came out. I didn't vibe with
the New York Times article. And so this writer who
(09:34):
wrote it was a big me too. Writer was sitting
down in front of the camera talking to us like
kind of giving us an education on what happened and
what was in this New York Times article. But it
did seem kind of by it. It just seemed like a
story that was told to them, and they were telling
us a story that was told to them. I don't
know that they thought through that the pendulum would swing.
(09:54):
I mean, you do have Blake and Ryan are a
list people friends of Taylor Swift her and got dragged
into this. I did a video on that saying, there's
no fucking way, no matter how bff they are, the
Taylor Swift's multi billion dollar enterprise team wants her name
anywhere near this pile of shit. There's no way that
Blake Lively's team thought they would get in so deep.
So anyway, you got the New York Times, you got
(10:16):
the woman explained to us what the article's about.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And then.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Literally I message this lawyer that I know from something
else to say, what do you think about this case?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I have my own opinions about this case.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
This is what I think, this is how I would
do it, just as a lawyer friend. He's like, I'm
representing Justin Baldoni, and so I know many people from
Blake's team, and I know people from Justin's team. So
I'm like, WHOA, what the fuck? So the pendulum swings
and now Justin's team comes out and they have their
(10:48):
own receipts because she had receipts, and she had texts,
and they claimed that they were partial texts, and they
have their own receipts, and they came in like a
fucking group of people in Penantplona running for the bull then,
and I think he has a billionaire that invested in
the movie who also his name, and the product is
at risk, so he's part of I guess maybe paying
(11:10):
the legal fees. I don't know, But I don't think
Blake's team thought that he was going to go this
hard in the paint. I don't think he wanted to
go this hard in the paint. I don't think he
thought it would go this far. But I think this
is the fuck around and find out trial and now
each side's PR their names have been dragged into it,
and PR people are never in the headlines. They don't
want to be that's their nightmare. If they're good PR people, okay,
(11:31):
if they're good PR people, if they're ship PR people,
they want to be famous and then they suck anyway.
But now these people can barely represent their clients because
they have to also protect themselves. They don't have the
money of their clients, and they too are in lawsuits,
being sued for texts and different things.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
It's a shit show.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And Candice Owens has their own opinion thinking that Blake
Ryan was has been controlling in past relationships has come
into this situation, took over because he sensed something between
Justin and Blake, and it's all over the place.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I just know it's a loose horse. I know it is.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I know as sure as I'm sitting at this desk
that it was botched. But I don't know that these
teams that represent these a minus. Let's just say list
celebrities know how to navigate this type of thing that
the mob is going to ultimately litigate on. And now
the problem is it's a court of law, and these
(12:27):
are lawyers that play in the court of law, but
they also play in the court of public opinion. They're
like famous celebrity entertainment representative lawyers, so like it's really
a line to ride. My divorce lawyers never really gave
a shit about what was going on in the press.
I had to navigate them that someone was asking a
question and that I was personally getting hammered. So sometimes
they'd have to answer a question, but they were only
(12:48):
focused on the trial. And ultimately the lawyers here are
primarily focused on the trial. But you can also sweat
someone by being focused on the court of public opinion
because as their famous people If it's Jane and Joe,
it doesn't matter the court of public opinion, it's not
really affecting their livelihood. But if you're talking about Justin
Baldoni and Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, it's affecting their livelihood.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
This is their their their.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Personal brand has actual intellectual property value. Their personal brand,
they have a cue score, you know. I remember my
divorce was trashing my personal brand while launching a talk show.
Because even if it's good bed, you're right, you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
That's weeds.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
If you're in the middle of a pile of shit,
you have shit on you, and no one really wants
to deal with someone who has a pile of shit
on you. It's gossip and it might not be true.
But someone said Blake wanted to go to one of
the games and Taylor would rather not have that spectacle,
even if they're best friends.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I wouldn't want my best friend if she was in
the middle of a spectacle about something that was seemingly
scandalous and had shit all over it at a game
like I don't want that to be the headline. I
would want try my boyfriend and his team to be
the headline, did they win just to have fun with
his mother? I don't want the shit in my backyard,
so I don't. There's no fucking way that they thought
this would be what it is. It's amazing that Ryan
(14:11):
is going and you know, performing on stage with Hugh
Jackman and business as usual, and Megan and Harry have
been in ship pits and gone out and don appearances.
This is entangled. This is a web and it's insane.
So I've been talking about it a lot. It's just
it's crazy. We've never ever in entertainment history seen a
movie have this type of legal ramifications entanglements and fuck
(14:37):
around and find out in it. I just don't think
either person wants to be this deep. And I don't
know what they could settle for, but they really should settle,
and that means both of them. There's no way. This
is like a terrible, terrible divorce. Only people are going
to not only lose money and lawyers are going to win.
People's toxicity is going through the roof no matter what.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Just it's not good. It's not good.
What the actual fuck with Blake and Justin.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I can't believe I haven't discussed with you guys, Blake
Lively and Justin Baldoni. I don't even really understand what's
going on. Kennice Owens has retired from her career and
is literally focused solely.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
On talking about them at this point.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's like people are fixated because people have never seen
something like this, And I don't think people are actually
fixated with the two of them. I don't think it's
that they're fascinating creatures. I think it's the labyrinth and
the cobweb and the spider actually the spider web, and
like the tentacles and the people and the multiple lawsuits
and if you don't know they were in the movie,
(00:48):
it ends with us and it's about domestic violence. And
Blake did the premiere and at the premiere was promoting
her personal products and it hit wrong in the mob
and the world of social media because she was promoting
cocktails and spring florals and it was a domestic violence
movie and she was trying to like jam all the
(01:08):
promotion into one red carpet. And I did videos saying
that it's like an archaic model where the representatives don't
understand the modern day and how to do PR in
twenty twenty four versus like when these A list actors
used to be sort of owned by studios and just
pushed out there to push the product. And the PR
(01:29):
agents used to be able to control the media because
what used to happen, and it happens in places like
the Kardashians, like where Chris Jenner. If there's a bad
picture that comes out of someone, she can be like,
and I think they might have invested in one of
the photo agencies. But she can be like, we'll give
you another picture if you put take that one down,
or we're not going to let you talk to anyone
from the family if you say something bad about one
member of the family. You know, and PR agents can say,
(01:52):
I'm not letting you talk to this a list star
or holding that a list star that everyone wants to
hear from leverage, because then you have to talk to
this other person and you have to make the article
look like this.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
This stuff all happens.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
The PR used to be able to really and even
agents manage the machine.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I've literally seen PR.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
People and agents get together to manipulate a situation like
a Chris humpreason it kame Kardashian like when they were
breaking up. That was a full hands on deck, proactive
preemptive strike how to like manipulate the media. And the
Kardashians owned the media and the media cycle and the covers,
and that worked. It doesn't work in twenty twenty four
because the mob runs the media. The TikTok Instagram universe
(02:38):
runs the main the media. Yes, they use the media
for like a guideline, like an article comes out in
people about Blake and Justin and then they go run wild,
but they could run wild off of just a photo
or a lawsuit that comes out, because they'll read the
lawsuit themselves. So anyway, I did a whole thing about that,
and that was the beginning because Blake was getting crushed
and Blake was beloved, Like I didn't really know anything
(03:00):
about her. I asked someone who worked closer to her,
who said she was very nice that I asked someone
who's very knowledgeable in the entertainment industry at large, and
they said that there's like a cool girl's click with her,
and I think Gigi or some of the models and
tailor and it's like a very like the Pretty Girls Club,
and it's what you would imagine in that type.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Of a club.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So I heard different things, But I've thought she was
stop beautiful and she looks amazing at the met Gala,
and people come into my comments and say she's not
a lish is a minus list. I don't know, with
the combination of her and Ryan Reynolds and her owning
the Met Gala and nailing fashion and all this stuff
and seeming perfect and everything they said was so charming
(03:42):
and cute, like I thought they were a listen who
gives a shit. But it's weird how the tides can turn.
So she took a massive tumble after that red carpet,
and it's like to see someone like her who's seemingly
so perfect, And what's fucked up is that everybody celebrated
her for all that perfection and all that blondness and
all that high school you know, most popular girl stick whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's what's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
People slam you down for the same shit that brought
you up there, and it's scary, so blake lively to me,
it was like, you know, and everything they said was adorable,
and if charming is a red flag, I don't know.
I just know that the two of them were so
charming as a couple, and everything was diffused with humor,
and everything was like an inside joke and how much
they love each other and how they're always playing jokes
on each other, and everybody was just devouring it. Okay,
(04:26):
so we can pretend whatever we want to pretend. People
were obsessed with them myself, like, they just seemed like
adorable couple one oh one. So something went sideways on
that movie. It ends with Us, and it seemed like
she was getting fucking crushed. He seemed like he was
getting crushed first, because they were separate at the premiere,
and I was at that premiere and they were separate
(04:46):
at the premiere and everything was separate at the premiere.
And I didn't even stay to watch the movie at
the premiere because the vibes were so cringy and creepy,
but I couldn't place it. And one of her people
was extremely cold to me, disproportionately sort of dismissive to me,
and it was weird. The energy was weird, the vibes
were off. I remember seeing Anna Wintry there and I
(05:07):
was like, shit, I'm gonna get canceled for leaving this premiere.
But we were like cordoned off to some bizarre separate
movie theater, and the premiere was like divided in all
these different theaters, which was so strange. And when I
walked in, I usually you go to a main theater,
like it's a big theater. You go to the main
theater to see the premiere. It felt like I was
like nobody puts baby in the corner. And when we
(05:27):
walked in, I saw this guy and he goes, oh,
you know Justin and I was like, oh, I didn't
even know who was in them. I knew Blake was
in the movie. I didn't know what the movie was about.
I didn't know who was in the movie. I was
excited to go to the premiere because Blake Lively was
in the movie. I didn't even know they made movies anymore,
and so I was excited to go to the premiere
wear my pink dress and Blake Lively. And I walked
in and someone was like, you know Justin And I
(05:49):
didn't remember that he was on my podcast, but I
once I did remember.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I remembered him being.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Nice on the podcast, and this guy and I said
all out to justin. He was wearing purple. I went
to walk into that theater, someone was like, oh, no,
your tickets are over there, and then we ended up
in some tiny theater and no one was in there.
There were like three people in there. I'm like, so,
why don't I watch the movie fucking in my living
room in a couple of months. I don't get it,
which I actually should, but you can't leave a premiere
after the carpet without seeing the movie. The thing is
(06:17):
that after the Red Carpet there was an hour break
between the carpet and the movie, which I personally have
never seen. And it's like, seemingly so the cast can
get down the carpet, but it's not the cast of
fucking fame the movie. It's not ten thousand people, So
I don't know why it would take so long for
an hour. Usually it's like everybody goes sits in their
(06:37):
seats inside the premiere, and then the people that are
the celebrities and the cast, they're out there for like
fifteen twenty minutes, maybe thirty minutes, but it's never like
an hour. And you're in one of those movie theaters
that I has, like all the escalators and there's no
real place to hang out. There's no living room or bar.
You're in heels and you're in a lobby and you're like,
what the fuck are we doing? So Danielle and I
went to go get Margarita's as one does, and walked
(06:57):
in the rain and my dress had a malfunction. Everything
has to be a shit show with me, and we
came back. We made the effort to come back, get
the popcorn. Go towards into the movie, saw Anna Winter
wanted to say hello to her, choked because what was
I supposed to say? Then saw Justin then was put
over to that like baby in the corner movie theater
that had no one in it, and I was like,
what are we doing? It's what the fuck out of here?
(07:19):
And we got the fuck out of there. And now
months later there's a massive lawsuit, one massive lawsuit. They
wished ten lawsuits about this movie. And I hear that,
like Justin saying that he was allegedly in the basement
with his friends to watch the premiere, like he was
put in one place. And then it all came together
and I was like, that does seem it did seem
fucking weird. That night everything seems separate and weird. So
(07:57):
everyone is fixated and fascinated with this lawsuit, which has
entanglements and tentacles. I don't know what happened. I'm not
pretending I have no side. I'm just talking about the thing.
Both parties are suffering immeasurably, so like, I don't think
that either party thought that they would go this deep
(08:19):
into the abyss. But I think that she brought the
New York Times article into it. This whole thing wasn't
clear from the beginning. I did a video saying I
don't understand what she's actually suing for Blake Lively's suing,
and then I'm like, what is she suing for? I'm
not saying she did anything right or wrong. I didn't
know one thing. I never pretend to know something. I
don't know what exactly. It wasn't clear from the jump.
(08:42):
It wouldn't have really mattered. I guess if it said so,
because I think that this team just thought that, like
it was the archaic model of pr where you just
get to say something, the media goes along with you
and like that's.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
It, it's over.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So they said they what they said, it got out
and then there was a New York Times article and
it's the seaside, It's the pendulum. The New York Times
article comes out, everybody's team Blake. Everybody hates Justin. Just
like the Red Carpet, everybody hated Justin. They were separate,
then everybody was team Justin.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And it tracks that there have been discussions of smear
campaigns because it seems like smear campaigns. But I know
TikTok and pretty well, and TikTok and Instagram can do
a great job of that on their own. They just
need to sticks to rub together. So now this whole
New York Times article came out. I didn't vibe with
the New York Times article. And so this writer who
(09:34):
wrote it was a big me too. Writer was sitting
down in front of the camera talking to us like
kind of giving us an education on what happened and
what was in this New York Times article. But it
did seem kind of by it. It just seemed like a
story that was told to them, and they were telling
us a story that was told to them. I don't
know that they thought through that the pendulum would swing.
(09:54):
I mean, you do have Blake and Ryan are a
list people friends of Taylor Swift her and got dragged
into this. I did a video on that saying, there's
no fucking way, no matter how bff they are, the
Taylor Swift's multi billion dollar enterprise team wants her name
anywhere near this pile of shit. There's no way that
Blake Lively's team thought they would get in so deep.
So anyway, you got the New York Times, you got
(10:16):
the woman explained to us what the article's about.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And then.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Literally I message this lawyer that I know from something
else to say, what do you think about this case?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I have my own opinions about this case.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
This is what I think, this is how I would
do it, just as a lawyer friend. He's like, I'm
representing Justin Baldoni, and so I know many people from
Blake's team, and I know people from Justin's team. So
I'm like, WHOA, what the fuck? So the pendulum swings
and now Justin's team comes out and they have their
(10:48):
own receipts because she had receipts, and she had texts,
and they claimed that they were partial texts, and they
have their own receipts, and they came in like a
fucking group of people in Penantplona running for the bull then,
and I think he has a billionaire that invested in
the movie who also his name, and the product is
at risk, so he's part of I guess maybe paying
(11:10):
the legal fees. I don't know, But I don't think
Blake's team thought that he was going to go this
hard in the paint. I don't think he wanted to
go this hard in the paint. I don't think he
thought it would go this far. But I think this
is the fuck around and find out trial and now
each side's PR their names have been dragged into it,
and PR people are never in the headlines. They don't
want to be that's their nightmare. If they're good PR people, okay,
(11:31):
if they're good PR people, if they're ship PR people,
they want to be famous and then they suck anyway.
But now these people can barely represent their clients because
they have to also protect themselves. They don't have the
money of their clients, and they too are in lawsuits,
being sued for texts and different things.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
It's a shit show.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And Candice Owens has their own opinion thinking that Blake
Ryan was has been controlling in past relationships has come
into this situation, took over because he sensed something between
Justin and Blake, and it's all over the place.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I just know it's a loose horse. I know it is.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I know as sure as I'm sitting at this desk
that it was botched. But I don't know that these
teams that represent these a minus. Let's just say list
celebrities know how to navigate this type of thing that
the mob is going to ultimately litigate on. And now
the problem is it's a court of law, and these
(12:27):
are lawyers that play in the court of law, but
they also play in the court of public opinion. They're
like famous celebrity entertainment representative lawyers, so like it's really
a line to ride. My divorce lawyers never really gave
a shit about what was going on in the press.
I had to navigate them that someone was asking a
question and that I was personally getting hammered. So sometimes
they'd have to answer a question, but they were only
(12:48):
focused on the trial. And ultimately the lawyers here are
primarily focused on the trial. But you can also sweat
someone by being focused on the court of public opinion
because as their famous people If it's Jane and Joe,
it doesn't matter the court of public opinion, it's not
really affecting their livelihood. But if you're talking about Justin
Baldoni and Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, it's affecting their livelihood.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
This is their their their.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Personal brand has actual intellectual property value. Their personal brand,
they have a cue score, you know. I remember my
divorce was trashing my personal brand while launching a talk show.
Because even if it's good bed, you're right, you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
That's weeds.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
If you're in the middle of a pile of shit,
you have shit on you, and no one really wants
to deal with someone who has a pile of shit
on you. It's gossip and it might not be true.
But someone said Blake wanted to go to one of
the games and Taylor would rather not have that spectacle,
even if they're best friends.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I wouldn't want my best friend if she was in
the middle of a spectacle about something that was seemingly
scandalous and had shit all over it at a game
like I don't want that to be the headline. I
would want try my boyfriend and his team to be
the headline, did they win just to have fun with
his mother? I don't want the shit in my backyard,
so I don't. There's no fucking way that they thought
this would be what it is. It's amazing that Ryan
(14:11):
is going and you know, performing on stage with Hugh
Jackman and business as usual, and Megan and Harry have
been in ship pits and gone out and don appearances.
This is entangled. This is a web and it's insane.
So I've been talking about it a lot. It's just
it's crazy. We've never ever in entertainment history seen a
movie have this type of legal ramifications entanglements and fuck
(14:37):
around and find out in it. I just don't think
either person wants to be this deep. And I don't
know what they could settle for, but they really should settle,
and that means both of them. There's no way. This
is like a terrible, terrible divorce. Only people are going
to not only lose money and lawyers are going to win.
People's toxicity is going through the roof no matter what.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Just it's not good. It's not good.
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