April 30, 2021 • 50 mins
Kesha talks to self-professed "ghost therapist" and co-host of Kindred Spirits, Amy Bruni. Amy freaks Kesha out with her collection of creepy dolls while they explore the unexpected magic behind the supernatural. Amy even lets Kesha in on a secret - the real story behind the classic horror movie "The Conjuring" is scarier in real-life than it is in the movie.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This doll in particular. I took her home and then
a few days later walked in and it smelled like burning,
and I was like, that's weird. I couldn't figure out
where it's coming from. And then the next day I
looked in there was like a kind of like a
scorch mark above the doll. Hello, thank you so much
(00:31):
for joining me on Kesha and the Creepies today. We're
very special guest Amy Brunei, who is a paranormal investigator
and has been for decades, way too long, very long
time without aging myself. I'm like, so fascinated with your job.
(00:53):
It seems like it must be a very entertaining profession. Yeah,
I mean it's it's definitely a different you know. I
I actually started out years ago. I was working as
like a project manager for a health insurance company and
just living in a cubicle and on the weekends I
would go look for ghosts. Uh. You know, I'd go
(01:14):
to I'd fly myself to like the scariest places in
America and uh. And then one day I got asked
to be part of the team on the show ghost Hunters.
Because I knew the guys who were on that show
and I was helping them with their podcast, and uh,
I said yes, and then I never went home again.
I was on the road for like seven years and
(01:35):
three hundred episodes. Um. Yeah, so it's just been a
really really crazy ride. But I've gotten like really philosophical
about it, and you know, it's it's my perception of
the paranormal has definitely changed throughout this journey. Like what
part of your perception of the paranormal or supernatural has
(01:55):
changed by doing what you do well? I think when
I first started you, when I was first into ghosts,
you know, I started being curious about spirits and entities
and things as a child, and I read all these
books by like Hans Holzer and stuff that had very
defined ideas of what a ghost was. That it was
someone who you know, was trapped here for whatever reason
(02:17):
and you could just cross them over to the light
and they would move on and everything would be okay.
And uh. And then the more I investigated, and the
more that I got out there into some of these
really crazy locations, the more I realized that, you know,
the second you start kind of humanizing a ghost, when
you when you look at a spirit as though they
(02:37):
are a living person standing in front of you and
they need something or they want something, they're trying to
communicate something. It becomes a lot less creepy and um,
a lot more like like you're kind of a ghost therapist,
like you have a mission at that point. And that's
really where it's changed for me. The second that ghosts
stopped being a novelty for me was you know, that
(02:59):
was when it just became very real, like that could
be someone I love, That could be me one day,
you know. And I think that people who naturally kind
of pick up a vibe from people in person, even
like like you say you have this like empathic nature,
you're probably someone to who can pick up on when
there is like an energy present that might need something
(03:20):
or you know, and so it's it translates like that
ability I think translates from not only the living but
also to the dead. So, in all the investigating you've
done and all the experience you have in this field,
do have a specific like religious or spiritual thing that
you think happens when people pass away? I did, and
now I have encountered so many things like the second
(03:43):
I think I haven't figured out like ghosts will throw
me a curveball and completely you know, ruin whatever theory
it was that I had. I do think that I
think that there are spirits that will come and go,
that will come and check in on us, people that
we love that don't really have a fish old business
here per se. But do you want to come back
and just let you know that they're thinking about you?
(04:05):
And then I also think there is that classic unfinished
business that can be anything and that that they need
help with. I mean, it could be as simple as
you know, um I We've encountered spirits who died very
tragically who had no really conception of the fact that
they had passed away, or people who left things unsaid,
(04:28):
or you know, people who are watching over the house
that they built and they're upset that the way it's
been kept. There's a spirit we found whose whose name
was misspelled on his tombstone and he was upset like
these just these little things that maybe don't keep them
behind a hundred percent, but but it is a mission
for them, like there is something that they want fixed.
I have this theory that in this life you have
(04:49):
to deal with your ship, and there's a lot of
ship that I do, But I'm like, I don't want
to do it, but I'm like, I just don't think
there's an easy way out, Like if I leave this here,
I'm gonna have to deal with this in the afterlife
or in my next life or something like that, because
it just seems too easy of a thing to be like, no,
it'll be fine. I really feel like the energy is
(05:11):
neither created nor destroyed, so our energy or spirit moves on.
And I just really believe I don't know if it's
necessarily karma, but just that you have to be accountable
for your actions. And you also just people are particular
and people are funny, and I like the idea that
that doesn't go away if you pass away, Like you
(05:32):
still have your personality, you have your quirks, you want
your name to be spelled right exactly. And you think
about it too, like people who have the luxury of
kind of being on their deathbed and knowing that they're
going to pass away, like what do they do. They
always want to see everyone, They always want to say
last words. They you know, they start sifting through things
that they want to make right. And so I think
(05:53):
that it's it's an important lesson for us just in
how we live that, like you said, like that ship
doesn't go away, you know that at some point you
will have to deal with it if it's really affecting you. UM.
And a lot of it is relationships. A lot of
it is you know, loved ones, UM. You know, watching
over people that they've felt, you know, an affinity towards
(06:14):
and things like that. Like it's there's always there's always
something UM. And some of them just have issues that
they were never able to work through in life and
they continue trying to work through them and death. And
again this is all theory and just of what I've encountered,
Like I'll never say that this is absolutely what's happening,
but it's what I feel. I love that though I'm
(06:34):
so on board. I have a cat that I think
is like one of my spirit angels, and I just
feel like, you know, there are certain almost just spirits
that I feel around and summer really positive and beautiful,
and then occasionally I've had some stranger, less beautiful experiences
and I'm like, is that just like a really angry
(06:55):
person or do you think they're just really confused? Are
they caught in this middle ground or they're just some
I know this. I'm like asking you like you might
know the answer to this, which you might, But are
there just some people that just suck and they just
suck as a ghost, they sucked as a person and
they just suck? Or do you think people are inherently good? Uh? No,
(07:18):
you're a right in my opinion, because people ask me.
People are always afraid that you know, they're experiencing a
spirit and they're like, it's a demon, it's something evil,
And I'm like, are you sure they just weren't a
jerk when they were alive, because you don't stop being
a jerk just because you died, you know. And so
there you have these spirits that I feel are angry.
(07:38):
They were, they were awful when they were alive. It
doesn't stop just because they died. They still want to
make people miserable. Or you have like the completely misunderstood
spirit who is desperate to get a message across. And
then sometimes they can also come across as negative because
they're so desperate they start doing really angry physical things
like slamming doors and grab going on to you, was
(08:01):
scratching you, like yelling, because they're completely desperate for some reason.
So as an investigator. I have to kind of sift
through those and go, Okay, am I dealing with just
a jerk? Or am I dealing with someone who genuinely
needs my help? And so when we go into these hauntings,
even the most extreme ones, we have to go in
with no judgment, Like we have to go in judgment
(08:22):
free and just try to solve it. And like that
can take days, months, weeks of trying to communicate with
these spirits. And I'm not psychic, and so I'm trying
to rely on you know, my my psychic friends and
actual evidence and recordings. But you are, in my opinion,
totally on track with that. Well how do you? Because
(08:43):
I was watching your show Kindred Spirits, which I love,
and you had like a blindfold on and I think
something over your ears, and you were just kind of
communicating what the spirit was saying. I was watching the
one that was based on the Conjuring the movie. Yes,
the episode so interesting, but it did feel like there
(09:04):
was darkness. It felt like it could be kind of scary.
I'm just curious what that process is for you to
like go into a place knowing that dark things have happened, Like,
what is that process? For you, how do you prepare
how do you know how to connect all of that? Well,
there's a lot there because people ask a lot. You know,
(09:25):
what do you do to prepare yourself for these moments?
Are you? You know? Do you where crystal? Do you
say a prayer? And I always go into a location
like that, just knowing that I'm good enough, that I
am strong enough that I don't need assistance from somewhere else,
because the second that that thing gets taken away from you,
if I'm relying on like a religious medal, for example,
(09:46):
and say that I forget it or it gets taken away,
suddenly I feel weaker. And so in my mind, I
just want to make sure that I feel like I
can take on whatever just the way I am, that
I don't need outside help, but that some people do
like to like like I said, um do rituals say
prayers bring crystals? And that's totally fine. Um, I just
don't personally, but for things like that, like I had
(10:09):
such a relationship with the parent family. So the Conjuring
was based on a true story, and you know, what
happened in that house for so long is um scary,
but the movie is scary, But like what that family
actually went through to me, seemed scarier in real life
than what the movie portrayed. Which for people listening that
haven't seen it, what were some of the things in
(10:32):
the movie that actually happened? It is very like obviously
the movies edited Beauty like I love that movie. It
was edited very well, as directed very well. And um,
you know they there's this part with like this clapping
that seemed so scary in the movie. But I think
that what's scary about the actual what actually happened is
that it's real. Like you're watching the movie and you're like,
(10:53):
this is a dramatization, But then when you actually talk
to the parent family, they were just children living there.
They were being attacked in their beds every night. They
watched their mom be attacked by a spirit like and
and so when you talk to them face to face,
it becomes so much more scary than watching a Hollywood movie.
I agree. I thought that your episode was much more
terrifying and humanizing. Yes, and I love that movie. I
(11:17):
love scary movies. And so those kids are now grown up,
and do they still remember, like what was some what
were some of the things that happened to them that
they remember and how did they deal with that? So
they remember a lot of it. Um, you know, it's
it's affected them for life. You know. It's it's like
being in a bad family situation or something. You know,
(11:38):
they had trouble at home and they had to live
with that forever or you know till now. And um,
and so they remember definitely. The big thing was I
think they would hear like whispers while they were sleeping
at night, Like they would hear like there was there
was one girl, Cindy who was the most affected, and
she kept hearing this voice at night. They would tell
her like soldiers buried outside seven so just like a wall,
(12:00):
like telling her all these things which are not true.
Like you know, we've done all kinds of now, we've
done all kinds of research, We've done all kinds of like,
you know, none of that's not true at all. But
but when you're you know, an eight or nine year
old child hearing that, and when you're trying to sleep
every night, you know, out of me and I'm yes,
(12:21):
And they had to live with it every day. And
so Andrea is the one I'm closest with. And um,
she was the one that kind of rallied the troops
and got them all back together in the house. But Cindy,
when we got her there, she was the one who
was the youngest and most affected, and she literally like
she made it through the filming and the investigation, and
(12:42):
then she was like, I'm never ever coming back here,
and it was just too hard for even though not
a lot happened in a paranormal way for her, at
that moment, it was just too much for Like, I
think it was enough for her to just go like
set foot in there again and knew she could do it,
and then she just doesn't need to go back. She
closed the door. I got closure. Probably triggering to be
(13:03):
in a house where someone goes to whispering at you
when you're a child and get the fun out and
maybe never returning. Yeah, I felt it. I felt it
from her. I was like, yeah, you don't have to
come back here. We're good. I think we've done this.
But how you say you're like a spirit or ghost therapist,
is that part of it is like trying to heal
who was affected by the situation too, or is it
(13:27):
more trying to understand what the spirit wants. It's kind
of like I find us counseling, and I am not
a licensed therapist by any stretch, but I do find
us kind of counseling families and people who are affected
a lot just because they I'm listening. You know, they
are finally finding someone who's listening and who believes them,
(13:47):
and so I believes them because I feel like a
lot of people could be dismissive because it is like supernatural.
But I even sometimes don't know if that's the right
word to use, because it's not supernatural. It's just we
haven't figured it out how to explain it yet, which
doesn't mean it's not there. You see it, you feel it,
you hear it. It's there, but just because our brains
(14:09):
can't quite comprehend how to explain it makes me feel
like a lot of people would feel really dismissed by
these stories, oh totally. And then you know, the other
part of it too, is that sometimes like the family
relationships and the dynamic in a home can affect the
paranormal activity as well. You know, so not only are
they not understanding it, but they're kind of affecting it
(14:30):
in some way. You know, if there's turmoil in the home,
if people aren't getting along, you know. That makes this
like the spirits pick up on that for whatever reason,
and it can actually increase activity depending on you know,
how they relate to it. Maybe they've been there for
for a long time, living happily, and this family moves
in that won't stop fighting, and then the spirits suddenly
(14:51):
want them to stop. It's like total dynamics. It's like
a bad roommate situation, you know. Oh my god, So
everybody should be pleasant because you might be bothering the
ghosts that are haunting your home and they're just gonna
fuck with you more. So like get it together and
be nice. That's what I'm taking away from this conversation.
I mean, I think we should all live by that anyway.
(15:12):
Just assume someone's there who's going to be upset. Just
keep it cool. Just especially a really old house. I
feel like I come into contact with a lot of
energy and most of it is so beautiful and just like,
but then every once in a while, when you're like
projecting your energy or opening it up, like you were saying,
(15:34):
if you just find a spirit or a ghost that's
just like manipulative in a jerk. What do you do
with that how do you not let that affect you?
You were saying, you just are strong in yourself, But
have you ever had a time where it just really
got to you. Yeah, definitely. I mean I think that
(15:54):
it's just like it's just like meeting someone in real life.
You know, like you could be at a dinner party
and everyone's having a great time and then that certain
person walks in who doesn't say a word, but suddenly
the whole vibe changes just completely based on their energy
and like they're a total downer or whatever. And it's
kind of the same way I feel like with the
(16:15):
spirit world, like I will meet meet um, you know,
spirits or or feel energy that it's maybe not like
negative in the sense that it wants to harm me,
but is like manipulative, just like a live person could be,
and you have to tackle it just like you would
a live person. You're like, I can't let this person
gets me, especially an energy that is fleeting or something
(16:37):
like you're just passing through. You know, I've had that happen,
you know, traveling a lot as well for filming and
things like I'll be in a hotel that's old and
gross and haunted, and you know, and there will be
some bad energy there, something will feel off, and I'm like, great,
I have to be stuck with this for a week
or whatever, but then you have to move on from it.
And I always like date, it sounds like dating, It
(16:58):
sounds like day. It does like bad relationships. That's terrible.
Ghost ruined me. But it's true though, and you know,
and it's just applying the same rules to a dead
person that you apply to a live person, and how
you treat them or react to them kind of changes it.
You're like, oh, I have this power and me like,
(17:19):
I wouldn't put up with this from someone standing in
front of me. I'm not going to put it up
from it just because or put up with it just
because I can't see this person. But it also can
be scary in that sense you can't see them, you
don't know what you're up against, you don't know what
their motivations are. Um, you know, in a society right
now that's so involved with the idea of positive thinking
and and positive thought, and like, you know, you know,
(17:41):
you can infuse a space with like positivity, but the
same goes for negativity, and so you have to kind
of tackle that in a way, My god, how interesting
do you subscribe to demons existing? Like, have you ever
encountered something it's just like so dark you don't even know,
like you don't want to work with it. I'm not
going to touch it. I can't deal with it. Yeah,
(18:02):
so it's extraordinarily rare. Like I've done this for over
twenty years now, and I can probably count two or
three times where I've encountered something that I felt was
like I don't necessarily know that it's demonic, but I
would call it that if that were what you know,
if it was if that's the definition. But something just
so negative, um that you know, I had to call
(18:23):
in help, Like I you know, I actually have a
really good friend who works with the Vatican who's a
religious demonologist, and so whenever I have like even an
inkling that there's something like that, I can call him.
But it's it's very rare, like it's almost always something
else or like I said before, something that is just
a mean person in life. But I think I have
(18:46):
I do believe in such things, but I always tell
people that the odds of that are so low, and
to just not assume, but just know that if you're
encountering something that's negative or upset or mean. Odds are
it's either misunderstood or was a mean person in life,
which is a lot less daunting. Well, so what would
(19:06):
be I'm like so curious about the demonic forces where
you called the Vatican backup? Can I ask you about that?
Like what happened? Uh? So that the last time it
happened was so basically it was a dear friend of
mine called me, and, Um, he had a pretty good
feeling that something was going on with his sister, that
(19:29):
she was somehow possessed and this has been going on
for years, and so he finally called me to discuss this,
and it was like the middle of the night. Um,
I was home alone with my daughter who was like
three at the time, two or three at the time,
And so he calls and immediately, like the light start
(19:51):
going on and off at my house. And so what
one thing that you will learn about, like, uh, negative
type entity or demonic type entity is that the second
they feel like this person is reaching out to someone
who's gonna be a threat, they will immediately try to
get rid of that threat. Supposedly, listen, and so in
this case, he's explaining to me, what's happening, and and
(20:14):
he said, my lights are going on and off, and
he goes, I have to go outside because my lights
are going on and off. So his lights were turning on,
and I did not clue him in at all. I
very like purposely was like, I'm not going to say
anything that's going on here because I didn't want to
freak him out. And I was like, okay, go ahead.
So he goes outside and he continues talking and then
he as he's talking, I hear my daughter crying upstairs,
(20:37):
and I'm like, that's you know, it's the middle of
the night. So I run upstairs, uh and she is
fastest like not crying because she does not wake up.
And and so at that point I was like, Okay,
this thing is messing with me, like this thing is
trying to threaten me. So I go back downstairs and
I'm just talking with him the whole time, telling him
his options, giving him my opinions, and then I feel
(20:59):
something start grabbing onto my hair like as I'm talking
to him. And then at the same time, I hear
my daughter start crying again, and I go upstairs and
she's fast asleep. And so we got through the conversation,
and I knew that was the first time I've ever
felt like, Okay, there's something that's trying to let me
know that like it knows who I am and it's gonna,
(21:21):
you know, make an issue for me. But so I
immediately called my friend and um he he helped them
the next day. But but yeah, that it was. It
was exactly what he told me what happened, Like when
he warned me about things like that. Um he literally
said to me, like they will try to stop you
and try to scare you, and you just have to
(21:42):
stand your ground. And so I just I never ever
even told the guy that I was talking to it
that was happening. I just acted like it was a
totally normal conversation. But that was that's insane. Yeah, again,
extraordinarily rare. Twenty plus years of doing us have never
had that happened before since, So just so, yeah, I've
(22:06):
had I mean, I've had a couple of other strange
account but that was the one where I knew unequivocally
that I was dealing with something that was cruel and
like it sounds like very ominous. Oh yeah, I mean
to threaten your child. That was the weird thing, like,
look crying, did your daughter remember any of it? Or
she's a sleep all time? Oh no, she was just
(22:26):
fast asleep. And I mean to tell her because right
now she's like eight, and she loves like crawling through
creepy places with me and looking for ghosts and stuff,
and so I'm not gonna gonna ruin it for it yet.
My first encounter with like an apparition or spiritter ghost
was I always like would go to places and try
(22:46):
to do the kind of like what you were saying
you would do in the weekends where it's like for fun.
So I'll be on tour with my band and my
dancers and like the whole crew, and then we'll be
in Milwaukee or whatever, and there's this beautiful w hotel
we can all stay it with a nice clean pool,
and I'm like, nope, we're staying at the place where
Jeffrey Dahmer used to live. And everyone's like, oh, great, awesome.
(23:10):
Or like in Fort Worth there's like a haunted brothel
and I've had people literally in the middle of the
night they're like, you're fucking crazy. I'm sleeping in the bus,
like the lights won't work. I'm out. But so my
favorite thing is to play shows, play music, and then
stay it haunted places whenever I can, like in whatever city,
(23:32):
and it kind of is torture. It's kind of tortured
to the people I work with, so apologies, but they
have options, they could go somewhere else. It's just highly
encouraged to hang out at the haunted place because more fun.
But it is more fun. It is more fun. Just like,
I don't know, give me something weird, but I saw
so I always wanted to see something or feel something,
(23:53):
and then I saw an apparition of a woman, but
instead of being scared, I felt sad for her. And
I think that was the first time I was like, oh,
I think this actually is a spirit or ghost or
whatever the right terminology is, and I'm not terrified like
I thought I was going to get like the ship
scared out of me, and that wasn't the case. And
(24:15):
so ever since then, I've been wholly fascinated with how
to connect with the other side, because I'm sure we're
just surrounded by spirits at all times. M Well, you
humanized her, you know that. That was that moment where
you're like, oh, this isn't a novelty anymore. This is
a person and I feel her and there's something that
(24:37):
she needs or she wants, you know, and that's that.
It really does change your perspective on the whole idea
of a haunting. It does go from like you know,
spooky and fun to being like a belief system like
in the afterlife. And and so yeah, it I think
that a lot of people will go through that, especially
(24:57):
when they've experienced a hunting for a while. You know,
we've had There was one woman who that just written
that story reminded me of where she She died in
a train act, like a very sudden train crash. This
train hit her and her three girlfriends coming back from
a sewing bee in like nineteen twelve or something. And
this poor woman, her spirit kept running for help in
(25:17):
the old house that like lived that was next door
to where she lived, and she kept appearing. This the
woman who lived there. Now she just would wake up
and this woman would be like help help, you know,
every night, and so we had to basically help. We
helped the spirit by by showing her her death certificate,
like some part of her had no idea she was dead.
(25:38):
And so we had to. We we printed her death
certificate in the articles. We were like, this terrible thing
happened to you, and we're so sorry. And we got
these recordings of her and she was like death certificate.
And then when we explained to her what was happening
in the last word she said, she was like, I'm
going home, and then she was never seen again, like
she she didn't understand. That's so I feel like that
(26:03):
what you're doing is so kind. You're you are like
a ghost therapist. I love it. So I'm trying. It's
all one gets nasty with me, and then the ginger
comes out. Well the demons mostly really lovely, a couple
of demons, and then just some like people that are
angry about ship. I'm like you, yeah, it doesn't go away.
(26:26):
Apparently when you die, Lifetime guys started out. Now, don't
run for your problems. Do you think that there's like
ever a point where do you think people come back?
So I don't. I have not encountered it, like in
a situation where I thought that was happening. But it
(26:47):
makes sense to me, Like it's it's this idea that
feels right to me in a way, and I think
that there's a reason why people have kind of naturally
subscribed to that theory over thousands of years. You know,
there is that the fact that you have to grow
spiritually from carnation to carnation, you know, our incarnation incarnation,
(27:08):
and so it makes sense. I've not seen anything that
made me wonder, like, am I dealing with someone reincarnated?
You know? But I mean I've certainly had moments in
life where I've been around something or experience something that really,
you know, tugged it me in a way that didn't
necessarily make sense, you know, and I'm like, is this
something from like a past life? Is there a reason
why I'm drawn to this? Uh? So, I I think
(27:32):
I think there's something to it, and I just don't
know how we prove it. And then I also wonder,
you know, what do we what do we achieve by
proving it too? You know, I think we should maybe
just all kind of just subscribe to the idea that
we might all be growing all the time. And I
think that's a good theory to go with. I love
that because even what you've said about like spirits and afterlife,
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it's like, well, okay, it just makes me want to
sort my shop out now and then maybe in the
next life of I sort a chunk out this lifetime,
maybe the next life will be even more fabulous, and
then maybe I'll be Yeah, not a jerk ghost. I'll
be the funnest ghost in the entire world that I
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would TikTok at people on repeat until they literally go insane.
I just want to, like a really helpful ghost, like
earn my keep and whatever house I'm inhabiting, cleaning ever.
The fact that you love to collect antiques and specifically dolls, yeah,
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I want to ask you about that. I'm all I
love antiques obsessed And do you think that there's a
way too before you bring it into your house, like
to make sure you're not bringing an entity that you
don't necessarily want. Well, yeah, I'm not sure. So sometimes
I feel like it's my duty to take in these
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haunted objects, like I think, I don't know, if you
see behind me, I have it, Oh my god, creepy. Yeah,
there's a few of them up there. I have a
lot of them, but those are some of the standouts.
Those are the ones that don't like to stay put.
I find them on the floor and here a lot
but move around. Yeah, my daughter will not come in
this room. She it's my office. Yeah, She's like like
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the rest of our house looks so normal. And then
I'm like, and then Mom's office, So Mom's creepy office. Yeah.
So um. So I feel like when I'm when I
find these things, I feel kind of drawn to them
in a way, and it's almost like I feel like
I'm supposed to have them for whatever reason. Uh. And
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so I wouldn't necessarily want to get rid of whatever
is hanging onto them when I bring them home, as
long as they weren't being you know, awful. But I
have a lot of really creepy ship it in my house,
and I have yet. I mean I have like I'm
looking at a Victorian hair wreath that's like a memorial wreath,
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where like they would take their loved one's hair and
turn it into like a wreath when they died. I
have one of those. I have a spirit trumpet back
here from seances in the eighteen hundreds, I have a
spirit trumpet. Yeah. Like, um, mediums would use them. It
was not true at all, but they would use them,
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and they would say that like ghostly sounds would come
out of the like come out of the trumpet, but
they it was like a magic a parlor trick basically.
But it's old and I think it's kind of cool
that was used in seances in the spiritualist air. And
then I have, like all the dolls I have a
really creepy teddy bear I have I have. It's like not,
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I don't know. I kind of want to show them
to you because okah, please, oh my god, show me
all the creepy stuff. There's so much this is. People
send me the things to like, oh that is so creepy.
Holy ship that teddy very creepy. I told you, But like,
people send me these things and I can't like get
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rid of it, Like I feel bad at like something
this at some point, right, you could definitely get rid
of that if you watched him giving you commission so
creepy to send him to you. If he's a nice guy,
you know whatever he seems okay, yeah, So but it's
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things like that, like I don't even know. I don't
want to show you the other dolls you'll free, Okay,
So I read you have one that has real human
hair that comes out of it or something. Okay, So
I did so that was the first, my first encounter
with a haunded doll, and it was Um. I was young,
I was like thirteen years old, and I used to
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go to the antique store like every normal thirteen year
old and I would just, you know, peruse the place,
and they had this released cree. The old doll was
a boudoir doll, a bed doll, and had real human hair,
which I love these dolls. I have one here now,
but you can totally show me all your creepy stuff
before you go, because I'm wildly curious. I'll show you before.
But so anyways, this this doll in particular UM, I
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took her home and she like started setting fires, and
so I suspect. So so what happened was I was
drawn to this doll. I put her on layaway and
every week I would bring my five dollar allowance until
I paid off this doll or whatever, and brought her
home and set her up on my shelf. And then
(32:39):
a few days later walked in and it smelled like burning,
and I was like, that's weird, and I couldn't figure
out where it's coming from. And then the next day
I looked and there was like a kind of like
a scorch mark above the doll, and I was like,
that's really strange. It was very dangerous. I do not
reckon meant, And so then I smelled it another day
(33:03):
and came in and found literally her dress was smoldering
that she was wearing it had like it was smoldering,
and I was like, something is wrong with this doll.
And uh So I had these two aunts who are
both kind of kind of witchy and different, and um
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and we my my very psychic aunt, did like a
seance and she said that this doll had some sort
of attachment to it and um, so we tried to
rid it of it or whatever. So I shoved it
in my closet and it's your clothes. Oh my god.
It was awful, I was, I I And then I
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think we ended up actually burning the doll. Years later,
I don't even know what happened, but it was just
like the worst it was. It was. It was scary.
So yeah, I've never encountered a fire producing doll since then.
But that was again probably one of the things that
to my interest in what I do. And maybe there
had been some other rational explanation, but that's all definitely
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was smoldering on more than one occasion. Anything electronic about
the doll, like mars or chords or wires. Now, she
was just a booderard all from the twenties, like just
an old doll. And she was not the wall like
the wall she was up against. There was nothing there.
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There was no like, there were no candles, there was
no incense like, there was no like electricity around her.
It was just that doll. It was so strange. So
I've never seen anything like it since. But that might
be why I like them now. I feel like I
owe her something because I like, alright, lady, you gotta go.
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I have a weird thing with antiques where I like,
I cannot leave too. If I find them in two
separate places in the world, I have to bring them
back together. I like to think of myself as like
reuniting like lost twin flame souls. So I have a
bunch of weird matching things that I don't even necessarily
like and or want, but they match, so they must
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be together. Well, I mean, I love it if it's
the energy. If you think about an antique, like I'm
super drawn to antiques, and it's there's so much energy
infused and then whether or not it's like ghosts, it's
just people have been around them for so long. People
have cared for them, you know, think of all the
things that happened around them over the time that they
have been in existence. Like if there's something about antiques,
(35:34):
like I really do think they hold energy, and I
think certain people are drawn to that, Like I I
love them, me too, and my mom too, Like where
we go to flea markets pretty much whenever we're around
each other, and just like it's it's like treasure hunting
also to me, but yours is like a little creepier
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because like you want the creepy stuff, I feel no
one wants it. So I feel like it's kind of
like you're you're reuniting antiques, and I'm like taking in
like the orphaned antiques. You're like fostering the demonic dolls.
Dolls so creepy. So this is real creepy nightmare. Great,
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can't wait. This one's falling apart, like okay, And these
ladies like to move, they like to move around, and
you're just fine with that. This this is the one
that really moves around. So I put everything on top
of her. But that's this one. Why is she in
a bridal gown? So this is a bed doll? This
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is this is a boudoir doll. She has real human hair. Okay,
what is a boudoir doll? Is that like what you
put back in the twenties. Yeah, it was like a
big thing with like flappers and the twenties and stuff.
They would put these on their beds like this. This
was more for like adults. Was not like a kid doll.
What do adults do with this? It was like decoration.
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I think she's creepy. I love her, sorry, I'm not
trying to me. And she's gorgeous. This one came from
a haunted place. We investigated on Kindred and they could
not give her to me fast enough. Her head's falling off.
Her head is falling off. That is so creepy. So
from wait, someone needs to look at this. One of
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you needs to look at this doll. Wait, look at this.
If I had not taken this doll in, no one
would have. So I'm doing no kidding. Oh my god,
So that's her Okay, oh yeah, she had her. Okay,
this one is awful. This one. That one looks like
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no offense. I don't want these. Yeah, back of the head,
I think her hair fell out. I don't know. It's
Oh my god, so they're no eyeballs creepy and think yeah,
and then there's the sky here mine that looks like
(38:11):
someone beat that baby doll, and like, I know, so
this is I willingly bring these things into my house
because no one else will YE love them that with
like stray dogs that are just like really minging and
kind of ugly. She'll just take the ones that nobody
(38:33):
else wants in. But I would rather take in dogs,
but I don't have the space, so I take in
haunted dolls instead of Like I said, my daughter is thrilled.
And if you saw there, like I am the most
normal person in the world, that you would never guess
that those were the kinds of things that I collected.
I really have to or my occupation that you might
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not be the most normal person. I don't want to
know what normal is, but judging by those do I
have to disagree with you. Well, if you see in
your travels, please send it to me. Oh fun, I
got you. I see how you're like, I know the
girl for this doll? Wait, I totally if you see Okay,
(39:15):
if you see a lamp, it just is like mystical,
the most magical mystical lamp in the world. That's what
you can look for. Me that because I love lamp,
and then I'll look for haunted, creepy assid baby dolls
with human hair and or no eyeballs for you. Fantastic.
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I feel like that's a great trade off. So fun,
what a very very weak I'm glad we were able
to bond on this. I love antiques and I love collecting,
and I believe in spirits, so I mean, how could
we not connect on that. I also read that pretty
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much like in your familial like in your blood, in
your bloodline, like everyone kind of around you is into
what would you call it, the paranormal. Yeah, I mean
I think that. So when I was growing up, even
though a lot of my family is very religious. They're like,
you know, hardcore Catholics and stuff, they still were very
(40:17):
open to the idea of ghosts and spirits, so much
so that like my parents never um, they never were
like ghost don't exist, we lived in a haunted house.
They talked about it very matter of fact that they
were just like, yeah, sometimes they are ghosts. Haunted house
growing up, I did, and so that was why I
was never afraid of them. I was just like, oh,
(40:38):
ghosts or just something that happened sometimes. And so that's
what really piqued my interest. I saw when I was
eight years old, I saw an apparition standing outside our
kitchen window of a man. And that kitchen windows on
the second floor, there's no way someone could have been
standing outside that window. And we found out later that
there was a wrap around porch there, so there was
(40:59):
a time where one could have been standing there, which
is not in the eighties. And so, uh, I remember
just seeing this man and just backing out of the
kitchen and going to find my mom, like, mom, there's
a strange man outside, you know it was And she
explained to me that our house was haunted and that
sometimes you might see a ghost and yeah, and so
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I was like, okay, you know, eight years old, just okay,
I guess that's what happens. So like they were fully
into it, fine with it, knew it was. There, was
not shocking, and it was like just part of the
culture of growing up, as you might see weird stuff. Yes,
I mean, we did have a couple of instances like
we had a family that would come visit sometimes for
(41:40):
like dinner parties and things, and um, that was the
first time I realized the family or ghost real people.
But something happened during a dinner they came over and um,
they were talking about our ghosts. And there were we
had two pretty major incidents while they were there, But
the big one was we were talking about our ghosts
and how they didn't believe in them, and then right
(42:02):
then this picture came off the wall and crashed down
onto the floor and they left immediately and they never
set foot in our house again. I remember the mom like,
so that's like the guys was like, oh really, bitches, yes,
and so it was so and that was the first
time I was like, oh, maybe this is scary to
(42:23):
people because I lived with this every day. But yeah,
the I remember the mom, she would just like come,
her son would come over to play with me, but
the mom would like go out on the lawn and
be like, Alex, it's time to go home. She would
never come up to the door. So in this dinner party,
what was the other thing that happened? Were they just
like they were skeptical. So yeah, so the first thing
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that happened was her son, Alex was he fell asleep
on the couch at some point and so she looked
back at him or she saw she thought she saw
him going into the bathroom. She used the bathroom. So
there was a little boy ghost in that house, a
little blonde boy. And her son was a little blond boy.
And so she was sitting at the table and she
(43:05):
was like, where's Alex. He's been in the bathroom for
so long. And her husband was like, Alex is asleep
on the couch, sweetie. And she had seen what she
thought was Alex walk into the bathroom and she was
waiting for him to come out, and he did not
come out, and that was her first like oh ship moment,
you know. And then then the picture frame was the
(43:26):
last came back. Yeah, they were done, but like your
family was just fine with it. That's so cool. Yeah,
I don't know how I got so lucky. Um, you know,
my my dad, it was kind of an amateur paranormal investigator,
and so he would take me on ghost hunts. Um.
(43:47):
You know, he was not like what I do now.
It was just kind of her fun and so I
think that was part of it, Like he saw that
I had an interest in this, and so we would
go investigate places. But he also used it as an
opportunity to teach me history or teach me you know.
It's like a learning opportunities, like, oh, she likes goes,
let's go to this old fort or this old museum,
and I'll tell her as haunted smart, very smart parenting.
(44:09):
That's really cool. And then your ants are witches. Yeah, no,
so I have, um, these two aunts who are I
wouldn't say, like, I think that they do practice ritual magic,
and I just think they've always done it just kind
of naturally, which I think is fair. I think a
lot of people do that. And so I grew up
(44:31):
with them, um just kind of doing these rituals and things,
and they're you know, they were the ones that especially
in my aunt Roxy, who really just kind of um
was the one who did the seance with the doll
and everything. And they always remind me of the Aunts
from Practical Magic. I don't know if you saw that movie,
but they literally are those They are those two aunts
in that movie, just like kind of all over the
(44:53):
place and just doing their own thing. But yeah, I
do remember my sister was sick in the hospital once
and I walked in. They were doing some sort of
like smudging ritual like over my sister with all these crystals,
and the doctors were freaking out, and I was like, oh,
this is what we do. You know, but do would
you consider yourself a witch? I would? I mean I
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believe very much in the power of intention, and I
believe in energy and energy work, and um, I don't
really put like a name on it. I just kind
of operate under that idea that you know, everything I
do and feel can affect others and other things, and um,
so I'm a big believer in that. I do have
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a lot of very good friends who do a lot
of like really great witchual ritual magic and um and
our witches, and I love that about them, and so
I call them in all the time and ask for advice.
So I love that so interesting. I can't decide if
I'm a witch or not. I don't know if. I
don't know how to decide. But so I'm like, I'm
(45:57):
like into all of these things, but I don't know
how to know if I'm a witch. I always thinking
myself as witchy witchy, Yeah, totally like more descriptive. I
guess I just like that's how I feel too, Like
I'm just like open to bring it all, bring it
all in. But I don't like, you know, the rituals
or anything like that. I think you make them, like
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I think it really comes from the heart, Like I
think it's what you do, what you mean. And maybe
other like witches out there can speak to this better
than I can. But I just feel like you do
what feels right, and you know, you put that energy
out there and whatever way you want to see if
you want to visualize it, if you need a ritual
to do that, Like I mean, that's the way I've
always looked at it. I love that you said the
power of intention because I think just in general, like spooky,
(46:42):
creepy or just being a good person, I've always since
I was like, I remember I kind of came to
this conclusion at sixteen. I was like, oh, intention is
like most important in terms of things, Like, yes, there's
hard work and there's all these other things, but like
the intention behind something is so important. So that's why
(47:03):
I think, like the intention behind what the work you
do is so interesting and I haven't really seen it before.
There's so many ghosts, shows and movies, and I just
think what you do is coming from this like compassionate,
really like well thought out, intentional place. That's why I'm
so like, was so thrilled to get to talk to you,
(47:24):
and I'm just such a fan of your work and
what you're doing. I think is so special and I
think it's important. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I
think more people are seeing that side of it and
I love it. So yeah, it's kind of like taking
a little bit of the what you call it, like
the novelty, which is obviously always always going to be
(47:45):
novel when you can't explain something. But I feel that
I feel that way about love too, like why I
love and there's so many love songs, there's so many
love stories, and why love is so intoxicating is because
you can't explain why, and sometimes it comes out nowhere.
You can't really see it, you can't grasp it, you
can't really buy it, but it's there and you feel
(48:06):
it and it exists. And so I kind of feel
like the supernatural and paranormal is a little bit like that,
where it's like it exists, I feel it, I see it,
I know it's there, but like I can't grab it,
which I love. I love that there are a couple
of things in life that you can't purchase or like
explain everything away about it. I think it keeps life magical. No,
(48:28):
I completely agree. I've always looked at what we do
as magic, like there there's something magical about it. Yeah.
So I love that you see it that way as
why I do because I don't always be people who
see it that way. I've always tried to convince them.
I'm like, there's just the whole world is magical. There's
certain aspects of it, like you said that you can't
(48:49):
buy or purchase, you have to just feel it and
experience it. And yeah, absolutely, I think that's why not
everybody experience is the paranormal or the magical. My god,
if my podcast could inspire one person to open their
heart up to just a little bit of magic, that's
like basically my goal in life, I think is to
(49:10):
try to like magic, magic it up. I don't know
what that especially right now, we need it. We need
it in this world right now. We need Yes, yes,
good for sure, that's magic with good intention. Oh my god,
love absolutely, that's going to be my mantra today. Do
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you want to tell everybody who's listening where can they
find you? Oh? Well, I'm on all the social media
as at Amy BRUNEI A M Y b R, You
and I and then Kindred Spirits is streaming on Discovery
Plus we have five seasons on their bore to come
and Um I have a book out called Life with
the Afterlife Thirteen Truths I learned about ghosts um that
(49:53):
talks about a lot of what we talked about, just
kind of getting more philosophical about things and stuff. So
that's a good start. I love that. Well, thank you
everybody for listening. I hope you had fun hearing about
all the creepy um dolls that Amy has and all
the other like lily beautiful things that you have to
(50:15):
say about supernatural and paranormal. Thank you for listening. Thank
you so much for being on Cash and the Creepies.
I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me
This doll in particular. I took her home and then
a few days later walked in and it smelled like burning,
and I was like, that's weird. I couldn't figure out
where it's coming from. And then the next day I
looked in there was like a kind of like a
scorch mark above the doll. Hello, thank you so much
(00:31):
for joining me on Kesha and the Creepies today. We're
very special guest Amy Brunei, who is a paranormal investigator
and has been for decades, way too long, very long
time without aging myself. I'm like, so fascinated with your job.
(00:53):
It seems like it must be a very entertaining profession. Yeah,
I mean it's it's definitely a different you know. I
I actually started out years ago. I was working as
like a project manager for a health insurance company and
just living in a cubicle and on the weekends I
would go look for ghosts. Uh. You know, I'd go
(01:14):
to I'd fly myself to like the scariest places in
America and uh. And then one day I got asked
to be part of the team on the show ghost Hunters.
Because I knew the guys who were on that show
and I was helping them with their podcast, and uh,
I said yes, and then I never went home again.
I was on the road for like seven years and
(01:35):
three hundred episodes. Um. Yeah, so it's just been a
really really crazy ride. But I've gotten like really philosophical
about it, and you know, it's it's my perception of
the paranormal has definitely changed throughout this journey. Like what
part of your perception of the paranormal or supernatural has
(01:55):
changed by doing what you do well? I think when
I first started you, when I was first into ghosts,
you know, I started being curious about spirits and entities
and things as a child, and I read all these
books by like Hans Holzer and stuff that had very
defined ideas of what a ghost was. That it was
someone who you know, was trapped here for whatever reason
(02:17):
and you could just cross them over to the light
and they would move on and everything would be okay.
And uh. And then the more I investigated, and the
more that I got out there into some of these
really crazy locations, the more I realized that, you know,
the second you start kind of humanizing a ghost, when
you when you look at a spirit as though they
(02:37):
are a living person standing in front of you and
they need something or they want something, they're trying to
communicate something. It becomes a lot less creepy and um,
a lot more like like you're kind of a ghost therapist,
like you have a mission at that point. And that's
really where it's changed for me. The second that ghosts
stopped being a novelty for me was you know, that
(02:59):
was when it just became very real, like that could
be someone I love, That could be me one day,
you know. And I think that people who naturally kind
of pick up a vibe from people in person, even
like like you say you have this like empathic nature,
you're probably someone to who can pick up on when
there is like an energy present that might need something
(03:20):
or you know, and so it's it translates like that
ability I think translates from not only the living but
also to the dead. So, in all the investigating you've
done and all the experience you have in this field,
do have a specific like religious or spiritual thing that
you think happens when people pass away? I did, and
now I have encountered so many things like the second
(03:43):
I think I haven't figured out like ghosts will throw
me a curveball and completely you know, ruin whatever theory
it was that I had. I do think that I
think that there are spirits that will come and go,
that will come and check in on us, people that
we love that don't really have a fish old business
here per se. But do you want to come back
and just let you know that they're thinking about you?
(04:05):
And then I also think there is that classic unfinished
business that can be anything and that that they need
help with. I mean, it could be as simple as
you know, um I We've encountered spirits who died very
tragically who had no really conception of the fact that
they had passed away, or people who left things unsaid,
(04:28):
or you know, people who are watching over the house
that they built and they're upset that the way it's
been kept. There's a spirit we found whose whose name
was misspelled on his tombstone and he was upset like
these just these little things that maybe don't keep them
behind a hundred percent, but but it is a mission
for them, like there is something that they want fixed.
I have this theory that in this life you have
(04:49):
to deal with your ship, and there's a lot of
ship that I do, But I'm like, I don't want
to do it, but I'm like, I just don't think
there's an easy way out, Like if I leave this here,
I'm gonna have to deal with this in the afterlife
or in my next life or something like that, because
it just seems too easy of a thing to be like, no,
it'll be fine. I really feel like the energy is
(05:11):
neither created nor destroyed, so our energy or spirit moves on.
And I just really believe I don't know if it's
necessarily karma, but just that you have to be accountable
for your actions. And you also just people are particular
and people are funny, and I like the idea that
that doesn't go away if you pass away, Like you
(05:32):
still have your personality, you have your quirks, you want
your name to be spelled right exactly. And you think
about it too, like people who have the luxury of
kind of being on their deathbed and knowing that they're
going to pass away, like what do they do. They
always want to see everyone, They always want to say
last words. They you know, they start sifting through things
that they want to make right. And so I think
(05:53):
that it's it's an important lesson for us just in
how we live that, like you said, like that ship
doesn't go away, you know that at some point you
will have to deal with it if it's really affecting you. UM.
And a lot of it is relationships. A lot of
it is you know, loved ones, UM. You know, watching
over people that they've felt, you know, an affinity towards
(06:14):
and things like that. Like it's there's always there's always
something UM. And some of them just have issues that
they were never able to work through in life and
they continue trying to work through them and death. And
again this is all theory and just of what I've encountered,
Like I'll never say that this is absolutely what's happening,
but it's what I feel. I love that though I'm
(06:34):
so on board. I have a cat that I think
is like one of my spirit angels, and I just
feel like, you know, there are certain almost just spirits
that I feel around and summer really positive and beautiful,
and then occasionally I've had some stranger, less beautiful experiences
and I'm like, is that just like a really angry
(06:55):
person or do you think they're just really confused? Are
they caught in this middle ground or they're just some
I know this. I'm like asking you like you might
know the answer to this, which you might, But are
there just some people that just suck and they just
suck as a ghost, they sucked as a person and
they just suck? Or do you think people are inherently good? Uh? No,
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you're a right in my opinion, because people ask me.
People are always afraid that you know, they're experiencing a
spirit and they're like, it's a demon, it's something evil,
And I'm like, are you sure they just weren't a
jerk when they were alive, because you don't stop being
a jerk just because you died, you know. And so
there you have these spirits that I feel are angry.
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They were, they were awful when they were alive. It
doesn't stop just because they died. They still want to
make people miserable. Or you have like the completely misunderstood
spirit who is desperate to get a message across. And
then sometimes they can also come across as negative because
they're so desperate they start doing really angry physical things
like slamming doors and grab going on to you, was
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scratching you, like yelling, because they're completely desperate for some reason.
So as an investigator. I have to kind of sift
through those and go, Okay, am I dealing with just
a jerk? Or am I dealing with someone who genuinely
needs my help? And so when we go into these hauntings,
even the most extreme ones, we have to go in
with no judgment, Like we have to go in judgment
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free and just try to solve it. And like that
can take days, months, weeks of trying to communicate with
these spirits. And I'm not psychic, and so I'm trying
to rely on you know, my my psychic friends and
actual evidence and recordings. But you are, in my opinion,
totally on track with that. Well how do you? Because
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I was watching your show Kindred Spirits, which I love,
and you had like a blindfold on and I think
something over your ears, and you were just kind of
communicating what the spirit was saying. I was watching the
one that was based on the Conjuring the movie. Yes,
the episode so interesting, but it did feel like there
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was darkness. It felt like it could be kind of scary.
I'm just curious what that process is for you to
like go into a place knowing that dark things have happened, Like,
what is that process? For you, how do you prepare
how do you know how to connect all of that? Well,
there's a lot there because people ask a lot. You know,
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what do you do to prepare yourself for these moments?
Are you? You know? Do you where crystal? Do you
say a prayer? And I always go into a location
like that, just knowing that I'm good enough, that I
am strong enough that I don't need assistance from somewhere else,
because the second that that thing gets taken away from you,
if I'm relying on like a religious medal, for example,
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and say that I forget it or it gets taken away,
suddenly I feel weaker. And so in my mind, I
just want to make sure that I feel like I
can take on whatever just the way I am, that
I don't need outside help, but that some people do
like to like like I said, um do rituals say
prayers bring crystals? And that's totally fine. Um, I just
don't personally, but for things like that, like I had
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such a relationship with the parent family. So the Conjuring
was based on a true story, and you know, what
happened in that house for so long is um scary,
but the movie is scary, But like what that family
actually went through to me, seemed scarier in real life
than what the movie portrayed. Which for people listening that
haven't seen it, what were some of the things in
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the movie that actually happened? It is very like obviously
the movies edited Beauty like I love that movie. It
was edited very well, as directed very well. And um,
you know they there's this part with like this clapping
that seemed so scary in the movie. But I think
that what's scary about the actual what actually happened is
that it's real. Like you're watching the movie and you're like,
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this is a dramatization, But then when you actually talk
to the parent family, they were just children living there.
They were being attacked in their beds every night. They
watched their mom be attacked by a spirit like and
and so when you talk to them face to face,
it becomes so much more scary than watching a Hollywood movie.
I agree. I thought that your episode was much more
terrifying and humanizing. Yes, and I love that movie. I
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love scary movies. And so those kids are now grown up,
and do they still remember, like what was some what
were some of the things that happened to them that
they remember and how did they deal with that? So
they remember a lot of it. Um, you know, it's
it's affected them for life. You know. It's it's like
being in a bad family situation or something. You know,
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they had trouble at home and they had to live
with that forever or you know till now. And um,
and so they remember definitely. The big thing was I
think they would hear like whispers while they were sleeping
at night, Like they would hear like there was there
was one girl, Cindy who was the most affected, and
she kept hearing this voice at night. They would tell
her like soldiers buried outside seven so just like a wall,
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like telling her all these things which are not true.
Like you know, we've done all kinds of now, we've
done all kinds of research, We've done all kinds of like,
you know, none of that's not true at all. But
but when you're you know, an eight or nine year
old child hearing that, and when you're trying to sleep
every night, you know, out of me and I'm yes,
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And they had to live with it every day. And
so Andrea is the one I'm closest with. And um,
she was the one that kind of rallied the troops
and got them all back together in the house. But Cindy,
when we got her there, she was the one who
was the youngest and most affected, and she literally like
she made it through the filming and the investigation, and
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then she was like, I'm never ever coming back here,
and it was just too hard for even though not
a lot happened in a paranormal way for her, at
that moment, it was just too much for Like, I
think it was enough for her to just go like
set foot in there again and knew she could do it,
and then she just doesn't need to go back. She
closed the door. I got closure. Probably triggering to be
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in a house where someone goes to whispering at you
when you're a child and get the fun out and
maybe never returning. Yeah, I felt it. I felt it
from her. I was like, yeah, you don't have to
come back here. We're good. I think we've done this.
But how you say you're like a spirit or ghost therapist,
is that part of it is like trying to heal
who was affected by the situation too, or is it
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more trying to understand what the spirit wants. It's kind
of like I find us counseling, and I am not
a licensed therapist by any stretch, but I do find
us kind of counseling families and people who are affected
a lot just because they I'm listening. You know, they
are finally finding someone who's listening and who believes them,
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and so I believes them because I feel like a
lot of people could be dismissive because it is like supernatural.
But I even sometimes don't know if that's the right
word to use, because it's not supernatural. It's just we
haven't figured it out how to explain it yet, which
doesn't mean it's not there. You see it, you feel it,
you hear it. It's there, but just because our brains
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can't quite comprehend how to explain it makes me feel
like a lot of people would feel really dismissed by
these stories, oh totally. And then you know, the other
part of it too, is that sometimes like the family
relationships and the dynamic in a home can affect the
paranormal activity as well. You know, so not only are
they not understanding it, but they're kind of affecting it
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in some way. You know, if there's turmoil in the home,
if people aren't getting along, you know. That makes this
like the spirits pick up on that for whatever reason,
and it can actually increase activity depending on you know,
how they relate to it. Maybe they've been there for
for a long time, living happily, and this family moves
in that won't stop fighting, and then the spirits suddenly
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want them to stop. It's like total dynamics. It's like
a bad roommate situation, you know. Oh my god, So
everybody should be pleasant because you might be bothering the
ghosts that are haunting your home and they're just gonna
fuck with you more. So like get it together and
be nice. That's what I'm taking away from this conversation.
I mean, I think we should all live by that anyway.
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Just assume someone's there who's going to be upset. Just
keep it cool. Just especially a really old house. I
feel like I come into contact with a lot of
energy and most of it is so beautiful and just like,
but then every once in a while, when you're like
projecting your energy or opening it up, like you were saying,
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if you just find a spirit or a ghost that's
just like manipulative in a jerk. What do you do
with that how do you not let that affect you?
You were saying, you just are strong in yourself, But
have you ever had a time where it just really
got to you. Yeah, definitely. I mean I think that
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it's just like it's just like meeting someone in real life.
You know, like you could be at a dinner party
and everyone's having a great time and then that certain
person walks in who doesn't say a word, but suddenly
the whole vibe changes just completely based on their energy
and like they're a total downer or whatever. And it's
kind of the same way I feel like with the
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spirit world, like I will meet meet um, you know,
spirits or or feel energy that it's maybe not like
negative in the sense that it wants to harm me,
but is like manipulative, just like a live person could be,
and you have to tackle it just like you would
a live person. You're like, I can't let this person
gets me, especially an energy that is fleeting or something
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like you're just passing through. You know, I've had that happen,
you know, traveling a lot as well for filming and
things like I'll be in a hotel that's old and
gross and haunted, and you know, and there will be
some bad energy there, something will feel off, and I'm like, great,
I have to be stuck with this for a week
or whatever, but then you have to move on from it.
And I always like date, it sounds like dating, It
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sounds like day. It does like bad relationships. That's terrible.
Ghost ruined me. But it's true though, and you know,
and it's just applying the same rules to a dead
person that you apply to a live person, and how
you treat them or react to them kind of changes it.
You're like, oh, I have this power and me like,
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I wouldn't put up with this from someone standing in
front of me. I'm not going to put it up
from it just because or put up with it just
because I can't see this person. But it also can
be scary in that sense you can't see them, you
don't know what you're up against, you don't know what
their motivations are. Um, you know, in a society right
now that's so involved with the idea of positive thinking
and and positive thought, and like, you know, you know,
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you can infuse a space with like positivity, but the
same goes for negativity, and so you have to kind
of tackle that in a way, My god, how interesting
do you subscribe to demons existing? Like, have you ever
encountered something it's just like so dark you don't even know,
like you don't want to work with it. I'm not
going to touch it. I can't deal with it. Yeah,
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so it's extraordinarily rare. Like I've done this for over
twenty years now, and I can probably count two or
three times where I've encountered something that I felt was
like I don't necessarily know that it's demonic, but I
would call it that if that were what you know,
if it was if that's the definition. But something just
so negative, um that you know, I had to call
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in help, Like I you know, I actually have a
really good friend who works with the Vatican who's a
religious demonologist, and so whenever I have like even an
inkling that there's something like that, I can call him.
But it's it's very rare, like it's almost always something
else or like I said before, something that is just
a mean person in life. But I think I have
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I do believe in such things, but I always tell
people that the odds of that are so low, and
to just not assume, but just know that if you're
encountering something that's negative or upset or mean. Odds are
it's either misunderstood or was a mean person in life,
which is a lot less daunting. Well, so what would
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be I'm like so curious about the demonic forces where
you called the Vatican backup? Can I ask you about that?
Like what happened? Uh? So that the last time it
happened was so basically it was a dear friend of
mine called me, and, Um, he had a pretty good
feeling that something was going on with his sister, that
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she was somehow possessed and this has been going on
for years, and so he finally called me to discuss this,
and it was like the middle of the night. Um,
I was home alone with my daughter who was like
three at the time, two or three at the time,
And so he calls and immediately, like the light start
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going on and off at my house. And so what
one thing that you will learn about, like, uh, negative
type entity or demonic type entity is that the second
they feel like this person is reaching out to someone
who's gonna be a threat, they will immediately try to
get rid of that threat. Supposedly, listen, and so in
this case, he's explaining to me, what's happening, and and
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he said, my lights are going on and off, and
he goes, I have to go outside because my lights
are going on and off. So his lights were turning on,
and I did not clue him in at all. I
very like purposely was like, I'm not going to say
anything that's going on here because I didn't want to
freak him out. And I was like, okay, go ahead.
So he goes outside and he continues talking and then
he as he's talking, I hear my daughter crying upstairs,
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and I'm like, that's you know, it's the middle of
the night. So I run upstairs, uh and she is
fastest like not crying because she does not wake up.
And and so at that point I was like, Okay,
this thing is messing with me, like this thing is
trying to threaten me. So I go back downstairs and
I'm just talking with him the whole time, telling him
his options, giving him my opinions, and then I feel
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something start grabbing onto my hair like as I'm talking
to him. And then at the same time, I hear
my daughter start crying again, and I go upstairs and
she's fast asleep. And so we got through the conversation,
and I knew that was the first time I've ever
felt like, Okay, there's something that's trying to let me
know that like it knows who I am and it's gonna,
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you know, make an issue for me. But so I
immediately called my friend and um he he helped them
the next day. But but yeah, that it was. It
was exactly what he told me what happened, Like when
he warned me about things like that. Um he literally
said to me, like they will try to stop you
and try to scare you, and you just have to
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stand your ground. And so I just I never ever
even told the guy that I was talking to it
that was happening. I just acted like it was a
totally normal conversation. But that was that's insane. Yeah, again,
extraordinarily rare. Twenty plus years of doing us have never
had that happened before since, So just so, yeah, I've
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had I mean, I've had a couple of other strange
account but that was the one where I knew unequivocally
that I was dealing with something that was cruel and
like it sounds like very ominous. Oh yeah, I mean
to threaten your child. That was the weird thing, like,
look crying, did your daughter remember any of it? Or
she's a sleep all time? Oh no, she was just
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fast asleep. And I mean to tell her because right
now she's like eight, and she loves like crawling through
creepy places with me and looking for ghosts and stuff,
and so I'm not gonna gonna ruin it for it yet.
My first encounter with like an apparition or spiritter ghost
was I always like would go to places and try
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to do the kind of like what you were saying
you would do in the weekends where it's like for fun.
So I'll be on tour with my band and my
dancers and like the whole crew, and then we'll be
in Milwaukee or whatever, and there's this beautiful w hotel
we can all stay it with a nice clean pool,
and I'm like, nope, we're staying at the place where
Jeffrey Dahmer used to live. And everyone's like, oh, great, awesome.
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Or like in Fort Worth there's like a haunted brothel
and I've had people literally in the middle of the
night they're like, you're fucking crazy. I'm sleeping in the bus,
like the lights won't work. I'm out. But so my
favorite thing is to play shows, play music, and then
stay it haunted places whenever I can, like in whatever city,
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and it kind of is torture. It's kind of tortured
to the people I work with, so apologies, but they
have options, they could go somewhere else. It's just highly
encouraged to hang out at the haunted place because more fun.
But it is more fun. It is more fun. Just like,
I don't know, give me something weird, but I saw
so I always wanted to see something or feel something,
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and then I saw an apparition of a woman, but
instead of being scared, I felt sad for her. And
I think that was the first time I was like, oh,
I think this actually is a spirit or ghost or
whatever the right terminology is, and I'm not terrified like
I thought I was going to get like the ship
scared out of me, and that wasn't the case. And
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so ever since then, I've been wholly fascinated with how
to connect with the other side, because I'm sure we're
just surrounded by spirits at all times. M Well, you
humanized her, you know that. That was that moment where
you're like, oh, this isn't a novelty anymore. This is
a person and I feel her and there's something that
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she needs or she wants, you know, and that's that.
It really does change your perspective on the whole idea
of a haunting. It does go from like you know,
spooky and fun to being like a belief system like
in the afterlife. And and so yeah, it I think
that a lot of people will go through that, especially
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when they've experienced a hunting for a while. You know,
we've had There was one woman who that just written
that story reminded me of where she She died in
a train act, like a very sudden train crash. This
train hit her and her three girlfriends coming back from
a sewing bee in like nineteen twelve or something. And
this poor woman, her spirit kept running for help in
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the old house that like lived that was next door
to where she lived, and she kept appearing. This the
woman who lived there. Now she just would wake up
and this woman would be like help help, you know,
every night, and so we had to basically help. We
helped the spirit by by showing her her death certificate,
like some part of her had no idea she was dead.
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And so we had to. We we printed her death
certificate in the articles. We were like, this terrible thing
happened to you, and we're so sorry. And we got
these recordings of her and she was like death certificate.
And then when we explained to her what was happening
in the last word she said, she was like, I'm
going home, and then she was never seen again, like
she she didn't understand. That's so I feel like that
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what you're doing is so kind. You're you are like
a ghost therapist. I love it. So I'm trying. It's
all one gets nasty with me, and then the ginger
comes out. Well the demons mostly really lovely, a couple
of demons, and then just some like people that are
angry about ship. I'm like you, yeah, it doesn't go away.
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Apparently when you die, Lifetime guys started out. Now, don't
run for your problems. Do you think that there's like
ever a point where do you think people come back?
So I don't. I have not encountered it, like in
a situation where I thought that was happening. But it
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makes sense to me, Like it's it's this idea that
feels right to me in a way, and I think
that there's a reason why people have kind of naturally
subscribed to that theory over thousands of years. You know,
there is that the fact that you have to grow
spiritually from carnation to carnation, you know, our incarnation incarnation,
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and so it makes sense. I've not seen anything that
made me wonder, like, am I dealing with someone reincarnated?
You know? But I mean I've certainly had moments in
life where I've been around something or experience something that really,
you know, tugged it me in a way that didn't
necessarily make sense, you know, and I'm like, is this
something from like a past life? Is there a reason
why I'm drawn to this? Uh? So, I I think
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I think there's something to it, and I just don't
know how we prove it. And then I also wonder,
you know, what do we what do we achieve by
proving it too? You know, I think we should maybe
just all kind of just subscribe to the idea that
we might all be growing all the time. And I
think that's a good theory to go with. I love
that because even what you've said about like spirits and afterlife,
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it's like, well, okay, it just makes me want to
sort my shop out now and then maybe in the
next life of I sort a chunk out this lifetime,
maybe the next life will be even more fabulous, and
then maybe I'll be Yeah, not a jerk ghost. I'll
be the funnest ghost in the entire world that I
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would TikTok at people on repeat until they literally go insane.
I just want to, like a really helpful ghost, like
earn my keep and whatever house I'm inhabiting, cleaning ever.
The fact that you love to collect antiques and specifically dolls, yeah,
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I want to ask you about that. I'm all I
love antiques obsessed And do you think that there's a
way too before you bring it into your house, like
to make sure you're not bringing an entity that you
don't necessarily want. Well, yeah, I'm not sure. So sometimes
I feel like it's my duty to take in these
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haunted objects, like I think, I don't know, if you
see behind me, I have it, Oh my god, creepy. Yeah,
there's a few of them up there. I have a
lot of them, but those are some of the standouts.
Those are the ones that don't like to stay put.
I find them on the floor and here a lot
but move around. Yeah, my daughter will not come in
this room. She it's my office. Yeah, She's like like
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the rest of our house looks so normal. And then
I'm like, and then Mom's office, So Mom's creepy office. Yeah.
So um. So I feel like when I'm when I
find these things, I feel kind of drawn to them
in a way, and it's almost like I feel like
I'm supposed to have them for whatever reason. Uh. And
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so I wouldn't necessarily want to get rid of whatever
is hanging onto them when I bring them home, as
long as they weren't being you know, awful. But I
have a lot of really creepy ship it in my house,
and I have yet. I mean I have like I'm
looking at a Victorian hair wreath that's like a memorial wreath,
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where like they would take their loved one's hair and
turn it into like a wreath when they died. I
have one of those. I have a spirit trumpet back
here from seances in the eighteen hundreds, I have a
spirit trumpet. Yeah. Like, um, mediums would use them. It
was not true at all, but they would use them,
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and they would say that like ghostly sounds would come
out of the like come out of the trumpet, but
they it was like a magic a parlor trick basically.
But it's old and I think it's kind of cool
that was used in seances in the spiritualist air. And
then I have, like all the dolls I have a
really creepy teddy bear I have I have. It's like not,
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I don't know. I kind of want to show them
to you because okah, please, oh my god, show me
all the creepy stuff. There's so much this is. People
send me the things to like, oh that is so creepy.
Holy ship that teddy very creepy. I told you, But like,
people send me these things and I can't like get
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rid of it, Like I feel bad at like something
this at some point, right, you could definitely get rid
of that if you watched him giving you commission so
creepy to send him to you. If he's a nice guy,
you know whatever he seems okay, yeah, So but it's
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things like that, like I don't even know. I don't
want to show you the other dolls you'll free, Okay,
So I read you have one that has real human
hair that comes out of it or something. Okay, So
I did so that was the first, my first encounter
with a haunded doll, and it was Um. I was young,
I was like thirteen years old, and I used to
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go to the antique store like every normal thirteen year
old and I would just, you know, peruse the place,
and they had this released cree. The old doll was
a boudoir doll, a bed doll, and had real human hair,
which I love these dolls. I have one here now,
but you can totally show me all your creepy stuff
before you go, because I'm wildly curious. I'll show you before.
But so anyways, this this doll in particular UM, I
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took her home and she like started setting fires, and
so I suspect. So so what happened was I was
drawn to this doll. I put her on layaway and
every week I would bring my five dollar allowance until
I paid off this doll or whatever, and brought her
home and set her up on my shelf. And then
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a few days later walked in and it smelled like burning,
and I was like, that's weird, and I couldn't figure
out where it's coming from. And then the next day
I looked and there was like a kind of like
a scorch mark above the doll, and I was like,
that's really strange. It was very dangerous. I do not
reckon meant, And so then I smelled it another day
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and came in and found literally her dress was smoldering
that she was wearing it had like it was smoldering,
and I was like, something is wrong with this doll.
And uh So I had these two aunts who are
both kind of kind of witchy and different, and um
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and we my my very psychic aunt, did like a
seance and she said that this doll had some sort
of attachment to it and um, so we tried to
rid it of it or whatever. So I shoved it
in my closet and it's your clothes. Oh my god.
It was awful, I was, I I And then I
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think we ended up actually burning the doll. Years later,
I don't even know what happened, but it was just
like the worst it was. It was. It was scary.
So yeah, I've never encountered a fire producing doll since then.
But that was again probably one of the things that
to my interest in what I do. And maybe there
had been some other rational explanation, but that's all definitely
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was smoldering on more than one occasion. Anything electronic about
the doll, like mars or chords or wires. Now, she
was just a booderard all from the twenties, like just
an old doll. And she was not the wall like
the wall she was up against. There was nothing there.
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There was no like, there were no candles, there was
no incense like, there was no like electricity around her.
It was just that doll. It was so strange. So
I've never seen anything like it since. But that might
be why I like them now. I feel like I
owe her something because I like, alright, lady, you gotta go.
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I have a weird thing with antiques where I like,
I cannot leave too. If I find them in two
separate places in the world, I have to bring them
back together. I like to think of myself as like
reuniting like lost twin flame souls. So I have a
bunch of weird matching things that I don't even necessarily
like and or want, but they match, so they must
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be together. Well, I mean, I love it if it's
the energy. If you think about an antique, like I'm
super drawn to antiques, and it's there's so much energy
infused and then whether or not it's like ghosts, it's
just people have been around them for so long. People
have cared for them, you know, think of all the
things that happened around them over the time that they
have been in existence. Like if there's something about antiques,
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like I really do think they hold energy, and I
think certain people are drawn to that, Like I I
love them, me too, and my mom too, Like where
we go to flea markets pretty much whenever we're around
each other, and just like it's it's like treasure hunting
also to me, but yours is like a little creepier
(35:56):
because like you want the creepy stuff, I feel no
one wants it. So I feel like it's kind of
like you're you're reuniting antiques, and I'm like taking in
like the orphaned antiques. You're like fostering the demonic dolls.
Dolls so creepy. So this is real creepy nightmare. Great,
(36:22):
can't wait. This one's falling apart, like okay, And these
ladies like to move, they like to move around, and
you're just fine with that. This this is the one
that really moves around. So I put everything on top
of her. But that's this one. Why is she in
a bridal gown? So this is a bed doll? This
(36:45):
is this is a boudoir doll. She has real human hair. Okay,
what is a boudoir doll? Is that like what you
put back in the twenties. Yeah, it was like a
big thing with like flappers and the twenties and stuff.
They would put these on their beds like this. This
was more for like adults. Was not like a kid doll.
What do adults do with this? It was like decoration.
(37:06):
I think she's creepy. I love her, sorry, I'm not
trying to me. And she's gorgeous. This one came from
a haunted place. We investigated on Kindred and they could
not give her to me fast enough. Her head's falling off.
Her head is falling off. That is so creepy. So
from wait, someone needs to look at this. One of
(37:27):
you needs to look at this doll. Wait, look at this.
If I had not taken this doll in, no one
would have. So I'm doing no kidding. Oh my god,
So that's her Okay, oh yeah, she had her. Okay,
this one is awful. This one. That one looks like
(37:48):
no offense. I don't want these. Yeah, back of the head,
I think her hair fell out. I don't know. It's
Oh my god, so they're no eyeballs creepy and think yeah,
and then there's the sky here mine that looks like
(38:11):
someone beat that baby doll, and like, I know, so
this is I willingly bring these things into my house
because no one else will YE love them that with
like stray dogs that are just like really minging and
kind of ugly. She'll just take the ones that nobody
(38:33):
else wants in. But I would rather take in dogs,
but I don't have the space, so I take in
haunted dolls instead of Like I said, my daughter is thrilled.
And if you saw there, like I am the most
normal person in the world, that you would never guess
that those were the kinds of things that I collected.
I really have to or my occupation that you might
(38:54):
not be the most normal person. I don't want to
know what normal is, but judging by those do I
have to disagree with you. Well, if you see in
your travels, please send it to me. Oh fun, I
got you. I see how you're like, I know the
girl for this doll? Wait, I totally if you see Okay,
(39:15):
if you see a lamp, it just is like mystical,
the most magical mystical lamp in the world. That's what
you can look for. Me that because I love lamp,
and then I'll look for haunted, creepy assid baby dolls
with human hair and or no eyeballs for you. Fantastic.
(39:35):
I feel like that's a great trade off. So fun,
what a very very weak I'm glad we were able
to bond on this. I love antiques and I love collecting,
and I believe in spirits, so I mean, how could
we not connect on that. I also read that pretty
(39:55):
much like in your familial like in your blood, in
your bloodline, like everyone kind of around you is into
what would you call it, the paranormal. Yeah, I mean
I think that. So when I was growing up, even
though a lot of my family is very religious. They're like,
you know, hardcore Catholics and stuff, they still were very
(40:17):
open to the idea of ghosts and spirits, so much
so that like my parents never um, they never were
like ghost don't exist, we lived in a haunted house.
They talked about it very matter of fact that they
were just like, yeah, sometimes they are ghosts. Haunted house
growing up, I did, and so that was why I
was never afraid of them. I was just like, oh,
(40:38):
ghosts or just something that happened sometimes. And so that's
what really piqued my interest. I saw when I was
eight years old, I saw an apparition standing outside our
kitchen window of a man. And that kitchen windows on
the second floor, there's no way someone could have been
standing outside that window. And we found out later that
there was a wrap around porch there, so there was
(40:59):
a time where one could have been standing there, which
is not in the eighties. And so, uh, I remember
just seeing this man and just backing out of the
kitchen and going to find my mom, like, mom, there's
a strange man outside, you know it was And she
explained to me that our house was haunted and that
sometimes you might see a ghost and yeah, and so
(41:19):
I was like, okay, you know, eight years old, just okay,
I guess that's what happens. So like they were fully
into it, fine with it, knew it was. There, was
not shocking, and it was like just part of the
culture of growing up, as you might see weird stuff. Yes,
I mean, we did have a couple of instances like
we had a family that would come visit sometimes for
(41:40):
like dinner parties and things, and um, that was the
first time I realized the family or ghost real people.
But something happened during a dinner they came over and um,
they were talking about our ghosts. And there were we
had two pretty major incidents while they were there, But
the big one was we were talking about our ghosts
and how they didn't believe in them, and then right
(42:02):
then this picture came off the wall and crashed down
onto the floor and they left immediately and they never
set foot in our house again. I remember the mom like,
so that's like the guys was like, oh really, bitches, yes,
and so it was so and that was the first
time I was like, oh, maybe this is scary to
(42:23):
people because I lived with this every day. But yeah,
the I remember the mom, she would just like come,
her son would come over to play with me, but
the mom would like go out on the lawn and
be like, Alex, it's time to go home. She would
never come up to the door. So in this dinner party,
what was the other thing that happened? Were they just
like they were skeptical. So yeah, so the first thing
(42:44):
that happened was her son, Alex was he fell asleep
on the couch at some point and so she looked
back at him or she saw she thought she saw
him going into the bathroom. She used the bathroom. So
there was a little boy ghost in that house, a
little blonde boy. And her son was a little blond boy.
And so she was sitting at the table and she
(43:05):
was like, where's Alex. He's been in the bathroom for
so long. And her husband was like, Alex is asleep
on the couch, sweetie. And she had seen what she
thought was Alex walk into the bathroom and she was
waiting for him to come out, and he did not
come out, and that was her first like oh ship moment,
you know. And then then the picture frame was the
(43:26):
last came back. Yeah, they were done, but like your
family was just fine with it. That's so cool. Yeah,
I don't know how I got so lucky. Um, you know,
my my dad, it was kind of an amateur paranormal investigator,
and so he would take me on ghost hunts. Um.
(43:47):
You know, he was not like what I do now.
It was just kind of her fun and so I
think that was part of it, Like he saw that
I had an interest in this, and so we would
go investigate places. But he also used it as an
opportunity to teach me history or teach me you know.
It's like a learning opportunities, like, oh, she likes goes,
let's go to this old fort or this old museum,
and I'll tell her as haunted smart, very smart parenting.
(44:09):
That's really cool. And then your ants are witches. Yeah, no,
so I have, um, these two aunts who are I
wouldn't say, like, I think that they do practice ritual magic,
and I just think they've always done it just kind
of naturally, which I think is fair. I think a
lot of people do that. And so I grew up
(44:31):
with them, um just kind of doing these rituals and things,
and they're you know, they were the ones that especially
in my aunt Roxy, who really just kind of um
was the one who did the seance with the doll
and everything. And they always remind me of the Aunts
from Practical Magic. I don't know if you saw that movie,
but they literally are those They are those two aunts
in that movie, just like kind of all over the
(44:53):
place and just doing their own thing. But yeah, I
do remember my sister was sick in the hospital once
and I walked in. They were doing some sort of
like smudging ritual like over my sister with all these crystals,
and the doctors were freaking out, and I was like, oh,
this is what we do. You know, but do would
you consider yourself a witch? I would? I mean I
(45:15):
believe very much in the power of intention, and I
believe in energy and energy work, and um, I don't
really put like a name on it. I just kind
of operate under that idea that you know, everything I
do and feel can affect others and other things, and um,
so I'm a big believer in that. I do have
(45:37):
a lot of very good friends who do a lot
of like really great witchual ritual magic and um and
our witches, and I love that about them, and so
I call them in all the time and ask for advice.
So I love that so interesting. I can't decide if
I'm a witch or not. I don't know if. I
don't know how to decide. But so I'm like, I'm
(45:57):
like into all of these things, but I don't know
how to know if I'm a witch. I always thinking
myself as witchy witchy, Yeah, totally like more descriptive. I
guess I just like that's how I feel too, Like
I'm just like open to bring it all, bring it
all in. But I don't like, you know, the rituals
or anything like that. I think you make them, like
(46:18):
I think it really comes from the heart, Like I
think it's what you do, what you mean. And maybe
other like witches out there can speak to this better
than I can. But I just feel like you do
what feels right, and you know, you put that energy
out there and whatever way you want to see if
you want to visualize it, if you need a ritual
to do that, Like I mean, that's the way I've
always looked at it. I love that you said the
power of intention because I think just in general, like spooky,
(46:42):
creepy or just being a good person, I've always since
I was like, I remember I kind of came to
this conclusion at sixteen. I was like, oh, intention is
like most important in terms of things, Like, yes, there's
hard work and there's all these other things, but like
the intention behind something is so important. So that's why
(47:03):
I think, like the intention behind what the work you
do is so interesting and I haven't really seen it before.
There's so many ghosts, shows and movies, and I just
think what you do is coming from this like compassionate,
really like well thought out, intentional place. That's why I'm
so like, was so thrilled to get to talk to you,
(47:24):
and I'm just such a fan of your work and
what you're doing. I think is so special and I
think it's important. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I
think more people are seeing that side of it and
I love it. So yeah, it's kind of like taking
a little bit of the what you call it, like
the novelty, which is obviously always always going to be
(47:45):
novel when you can't explain something. But I feel that
I feel that way about love too, like why I
love and there's so many love songs, there's so many
love stories, and why love is so intoxicating is because
you can't explain why, and sometimes it comes out nowhere.
You can't really see it, you can't grasp it, you
can't really buy it, but it's there and you feel
(48:06):
it and it exists. And so I kind of feel
like the supernatural and paranormal is a little bit like that,
where it's like it exists, I feel it, I see it,
I know it's there, but like I can't grab it,
which I love. I love that there are a couple
of things in life that you can't purchase or like
explain everything away about it. I think it keeps life magical. No,
(48:28):
I completely agree. I've always looked at what we do
as magic, like there there's something magical about it. Yeah.
So I love that you see it that way as
why I do because I don't always be people who
see it that way. I've always tried to convince them.
I'm like, there's just the whole world is magical. There's
certain aspects of it, like you said that you can't
(48:49):
buy or purchase, you have to just feel it and
experience it. And yeah, absolutely, I think that's why not
everybody experience is the paranormal or the magical. My god,
if my podcast could inspire one person to open their
heart up to just a little bit of magic, that's
like basically my goal in life, I think is to
(49:10):
try to like magic, magic it up. I don't know
what that especially right now, we need it. We need
it in this world right now. We need Yes, yes,
good for sure, that's magic with good intention. Oh my god,
love absolutely, that's going to be my mantra today. Do
(49:31):
you want to tell everybody who's listening where can they
find you? Oh? Well, I'm on all the social media
as at Amy BRUNEI A M Y b R, You
and I and then Kindred Spirits is streaming on Discovery
Plus we have five seasons on their bore to come
and Um I have a book out called Life with
the Afterlife Thirteen Truths I learned about ghosts um that
(49:53):
talks about a lot of what we talked about, just
kind of getting more philosophical about things and stuff. So
that's a good start. I love that. Well, thank you
everybody for listening. I hope you had fun hearing about
all the creepy um dolls that Amy has and all
the other like lily beautiful things that you have to
(50:15):
say about supernatural and paranormal. Thank you for listening. Thank
you so much for being on Cash and the Creepies.
I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me
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