June 11, 2021 • 40 mins
Kesha is joined by her brother Lagan, a self-professed paranormal skeptic and Executive Producer of the pod, to travel down the psychic highway and discuss the most creepy, funny, and elightenining moments on Season 1 of Kesha and the Creepies. Join us as Kesha and Lagan unpack what they've learned about the unexplainable from Pop Stars to Wizards and Parnormal Investigators. And remember, keep on creepin' on.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yea. Welcome to the last episode of Catching the Creepies
Season one, my first podcast. As we traveled down the
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psychic Highway, we talked to wizards and which is ghost
hunters and extraterrestrial investigators, and we discovered that the supernatural
is wrong, very natural. You might not know this, but
this podcast was created by me and my brother. It's
a family affair. So for the special last episode, I
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invite Legan to interview me. Why thank you for having
me Kesha. Oh my gosh, thank you for helping me
create this podcast has been so fun. So because it's
the last episode, we thought it'd be fun to flip
the script a little bit and I can interview you
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about what we've learned on this creepy journey. Oh no,
this is like a quiz. Huh yes, it's kind of
like a quiz actually, so um, we're going to go
through some of our favorite creepy subjects and of course
we have to start with the creepiest of all, which
is COVID. And uh, I think we need to talk
about COVID because if it wasn't for COVID, we probably
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wouldn't have done this podcast. Uh So, why don't you
tell the story about how we decided to make this podcast.
Early on in in Quarantine, Okay, so I believe I
was really going out of my mind because I was
supposed to be on tour this whole entire past fourteen months.
I was preparing to be gone for a year and
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be on the stage and beyond a tour bus. And
then when COVID happened, obviously the world came to a
stop and we all had to collectively figure out how
to get through this together. And I just was stuck
with so much energy still though, and I lived to create,
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whether it's a song or an album, or an outfit
or a live show. I just amused to creating. So
being stuck, there wasn't a whole lot of options to
create things. I mean, we did. We did send you
a green screen and you managed to make an entire
music video with a green screen from Amazon and an iPhone.
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But other than that, and we did plenty of performances
in your house, But there wasn't a lot of options.
But we learned how to make a podcast. We did,
and like neither one of us had any idea how
to do it before, at least I didn't. I mean,
maybe you did, but I know I think actually the
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dirty secret is that I had no idea either. Listen, kids,
you don't have to know what you're doing to do it.
You just got to do it. I told everybody that
making a podcast, I see. I did work in radio,
so I figured a podcast is like radio, except for
on the internet, so it can't be that hard. Well,
it's just people shooting the ship, from what I understand,
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or at least that's what I've been doing. Yeah, well,
nobody's told us we did anything wrong yet, so I
think we made a okay, fine podcast. I think you
guys like this, okay fine, totally disorganized, random podcast. But
it's been super fun to be able to still connect
with my fans and also connect to people that I've
always wanted to talk to about subjects I'm fascinated by
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just really take a time out from my creativity always
being like self centric. It's very much always like about
my shows or my songs about how I'm feeling and
blah blah blah. So this was fun because I actually
got to just talk to other people about cool ship
and not just talk about myself and think about myself.
Is a nice break. So one going to be playing
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some of our favorite clips of the season. I think
one of the best clips is from our first guests,
Alice Cooper. And when we first had this idea to
create a podcast about the supernatural, your first idea for
a guest was Alice Cooper. So why is that? Well,
Uncle Alice is somebody that I've known for a long time.
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He's actually one of the first I cons like in music,
that I met, and he was so kind and he
was so nice, and we have recorded a song together
and I just remember thinking, how when you're that iconic
and you have just like really are part of the
tapestry of culture, you can afford to just be like,
really really nice. So I met him right around when
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TikTok came out, so I kind of took his disposition
with me as inspiration on how to be in general.
And through the years he's just been like a great
mentor and we've done a lot of really cool things
together there and he still maintains being one of the
nicest people ever and one of the first people that
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popped into my mind when I thought, oh, let me
think of a creep or somebody who's creepy. Alice was
the first person that popped into my head, and I
love that you can still be a creep, but you
can also be really nice. So we had a lovely conversation. Well,
one of my favorite clips from the whole podcast is
when Alice Cooper explained that he thought COVID was an alien. Yeah,
we should play that one. How do we know that
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COVID nineteen isn't an alien? It could be just invading,
like a very tiny, tiny alien. It's the first it's
the first swave of the invasion. You could be onto something.
We should alert. We should alert somebody. They're cute little
guys should be They're really cute little guys, like little
beach balls with little fuckers. So I'm definitely the skeptic
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of the group here. But one of the things I've
really changed my beliefs on over the course of this
podcast is the topic of psychics and telepathy. It's been
really cool to hear you talking to so many people,
from entertainers to experts. So early on. One of our
guests was Dr Caroline Watt, who's a professor of parapsychology
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at the University of Edinburgh, so she actually studies this stuff.
Scientifically at a legitimate university, which I thought was pretty unbelievable.
And one of the things that really caught my attention
is when she explained how many people in the world
have had some sort of paranormal experience. About fifty of
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people believe in the paranormal or a ghosts. Is that
about right? That's about right, yes, um, And that that's
taken very broadly, so that would include, for example, traditional
religious beliefs, so believing an adult or believing that you
can pray and heal someone or have things happen you
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won't because of prayer. These would also be regarded as
paranormal beliefs and all of that. About half of these
people believe they've had a paranormal experience. So that means
if you look, you know, you're walking along the street,
you're looking at the people around you, about one and
four we'll have had what they think is a paranormal experience.
And that that's to me why it's obviously of interest
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to psychologists to study. The crazy part about that is
you would think this is kind of like a taboo
subject or when you talk about the paranormal or telepathy
or psychic or any of those kind of words. I
feel like it's an instant like, oh, this lady might
be crazy, And the fact that one and four people
feel like they've had a paranormal experience makes me feel
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like it's not really all that taboo. And maybe if
we just talk about it, more people than you would
expect would have really cool stories and really interesting experiences
that maybe they can't really explain. And I just wanted
to hear people's take on that, but I also really
wanted to hear the science behind it. Yeah, I agree.
I mean when she was talking about her personal experience
and how she's more of a skeptic but then experienced
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it herself, I feel like that's when things get really interesting,
when you're a party to seeing something supernatural or feeling it,
because then it becomes much harder to ignore the fact
that potentially there is something that we don't fully understand,
whether it's our brain or a dimensional thing or a
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physics thing. Like scientifically speaking, there are things that we
can't see and we can't understand. Not only Dr Caroline Watt,
but also another guest, Graham Nichols, talked about experiments they
had done on telepathy, and for me, you know, coming
from the more skeptical side, hearing these people talking about
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doing scientific experiments that essentially prove some form of telepathy
was pretty incredible. There are some researchers who have done
work in the past. Um there's a guy called Alex Tennis.
They did research in the sort of eighties and with
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a research of all carlos osis from that via, and
they did experiments where they tried to sort of he
would try to go and see targets and things like that.
And then there's a researcher in Italy at the moment
called Patricio tris Oldie who is doing research same kind
of thing, looking at seeing targets and things like that.
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And then the Rhyme Research Center. I've done research with
them looking at trying to again trying to see targets
and things like that at a distance. So we did
like about fourteen weeks of different targets and things, and
then I would try to have an experience or I
tried different techniques, not just out of any experiences. I
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tried to remote viewing. I tried different methodologies. I used
sensory deprivation, mild sensory deprivation. That's the thing that I
think is fascinating about the whole podcast is that it's
really just diving into these these subjects. Whether you want
to call it magic or you want to call it
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the paranormal, it's it's just things that we can't see
and we can't explain with with math. It's it's and
there's so much of it in our world, and I
think it's just been so cool. I think one of
the most incredible examples of this is when you talk
to Tyler Henry and he gave you a reading from
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our grandmother. Can I can I just tell you one
little thing? Sure? Please? Yeah. So, like before I hopped
on the line today, I was seeing my symbol for
the sun and the moon. And I know that might
sound like so vague and random, but it actually has
a lot of meaning to me because the sun always
represents to me like a birthday, life, and then the
moon generally represents like people passing away, you know, death,
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and so there's kind of that dichotomy. What was so
interesting is, and I'm aware that you were very close
with your grandmother, Um, there was some reference to your
mom's side of the family and actually your mother's and
correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know if her
mom has a sister, but there was an interesting acknowledgment
with the sun in the moon thing of like within
twenty four hours there being like a birth date and
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a death date. So I know it sounds weird, but
when we talk about your grandmother on your and again
your mom's side, is really like the primary thing that
was hitting me before we even hopped on the line.
There's kind of this interesting thing around dates of like
someone has a death date and then someone has a
birthdate and the right around it, and they acknowledge your mom.
And I don't know if her mom has a sister,
but they're putting a lot of emphasis around what would
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be like an aunt for you, So like when did
your grandmother pass? My grandmother passed when I was really little.
It's funny, I'm wearing her ring. It was not going
to tell you, but now I'm done. I just wanted
to see if you picked up on it. But I
she passed away when I was really young, which is
really sad because I have very few memories of her,
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but I know she was the email bond and our
family is so strong, like me and my mother really close,
her and her mother were really close. Sure do you
happen to know what date she actually passed away? I
don't know. Do you mind? Um, you can totally check.
Feel free if you need. My brothers on the line.
Oh cool, perfect, because there's something about like your aunt birthdate, birthdate,
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death date. Yeah, there's some reference to these these two
two dates, but they seem right next to each other. Wait. Really,
my boyfriend just told me that, um my aunt's Wait,
let me read it to you. My grandmother died on
December seven, and my aunt's birthday is December six, Okay,
so that it would have been within a twenty for
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our issh period of like the birthday and the unthdate.
That is so weird. So that would be why I
was seeing the sun in the moon. Oh my god,
very strange. Yeah, that was insane. That actually was really
crazy because he and I looked this up afterwards because
I just wanted to see if there's anywhere online that
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you could have gotten the information that he got, And
there literally is nowhere online where he could have got
this information. He told me something I didn't know about,
and that you had to check with our aunt about
like information no one's ever told me. So, I've never
said it publicly, and I even looked it up specifically
after he said it, because I was like, is there
a chance he could have done just a really deep
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dive to find this information. And I don't think that
information is anywhere on the internet. It's not, it's absolutely not.
I didn't even know when he said that. You know,
our our grandmother was trying to tell our aunt not
to be sad because she died around her birthday. I
had no idea, and it took me calling our aunt
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and talking to my mom to realize that our grandmother
had died within a day of our aunt's birthday. And
so for me, that was is kind of mind blowing
and really opened my mind to to what's possible me too, Like,
I don't know how we could explain that neither one
of us knew when grandma died. And I remember when
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we talked to our aunt, she said she's picking out
coffins on her birthday, and like, this is a story
that I had never heard before, had no idea about,
and so in away, by having him tell us that information,
it brought our family closer and hopefully gave our aunt
some closure. Um I don't know. It just made me
feel excited and that there's something else out there and
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to be able to communicate that was a really exciting episode. Yeah.
So another one of the greatest hits of the season
was definitely diving into the topic of aliens and UFOs
and uh, speaking of our family. So we came to
these interests very naturally because our mom has always said
that she thinks she's an alien. I'm not entirely sure
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she's joking. I don't think she is. Actually, I don't
think she is either. And so if she's an alien,
that means that we're at least part alien. So we
should have an interest in learning about our friends. Our
ancestors are ancestors. So what did you learn about aliens
on this podcast? Um, I got to talk to Oh
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my god, I love talking to Nick Pope the He
was the guy that worked in the government in the
UK at the Ministry of Defense researching and investigating UFOs.
So talking to him was really interesting because I tried
to look at it from the perspective of what why
would this man make this up? He seems like a legitimate,
serious saying human being, and he's talking very matter of
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fact about UFOs or just these objects he's seen and
working closely with the military and how much they've seen. Yeah,
it's interesting because it's um you know, when we talked
to him, it was you know, just in the last
few months since we've talked to him, you know, sixty men.
It's did a whole piece about UFOs talking to a
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bunch of people within the government on all of these reports,
of these official government reports about UFOs and the fact
that they they're seeing them basically on a daily basis,
and and so one of the things that I thought
was really interesting from him is kind of putting in
context about it actually is probably better if they're aliens,
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because if there, if it's actually ships from Russia or China,
then we're in big trouble. I think we have further
forward than we've ever been, and I think this Senate
Intelligence Committee initiative is going to certainly move things forward again.
But whether we cross the line. I mean, the UFO
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community have this concept of disclosure with a big D
and in their mind's eye, it's the President going on
the evening news primetime saying, my fellow and they akins
people of the world, We're not alone My take is
it might not quite go down that way. It might
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be a little bit more supple, and I think that's
what we're seeing now. But there are congressional briefings going
on behind the scenes. People like Marco Rubio have gone
on the record to say, look, I'd rather this was
Aliens because if it's Russia or China, we're in big trouble.
I remember him saying that, and he's right. I personally
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hope they are UFOs because I think that the disclosure
that I was talking about last year, it's been slowly
happening more and more since you know, the end of
last year, and I really do stand by I think
with technology and social media and connecting and the connection
it creates around the entire world, if somebody sees something,
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it's not just like some crazy person in the middle
of the desert that you don't know who they are.
There's a whole profile and a whole person behind it.
And so when people see something and they just it
becomes harder to discount. When there's so many people telling
the same story over and over and over, then you
start to wonder, Okay, well, if there is something to this,
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then why is it being kept from us, and instead
of being scared of it and having it be a secret,
are they just slowly releasing this information to get our
brains ready for full disclosure. I remember in the COVID
relief Bill, randomly, there was a part about how in
a hundred and eighty days they had to disclose everything
that they knew about UFOs to the American general public. Right,
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there's a report um coming to Congress about UFOs, Like
that's insane to me. It means that we're at a
point where you can no longer just hide the truth
from people. And I do think that is due a
lot to the connection we have to each other and
through social media. It's something that we can't just ignore.
There's too many people that have seen things and we
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want to know what it is. I for want of
seeing fireballs in this guy. I don't know what exactly
it was, but I would love a little information. Like
I sometimes feel like the government and people that are
in power placate us and treat us like we're really stupid.
But once you start seeing things over and over and
over enough, people are going to demand information. And I
think that's happening right before our eyes, which is so interesting,
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like we're going to be able to tell our grandkids
about when the world found out that there were UFOs
and potentially other life trying to create contact with this planet.
And I think it's going to blow people's minds on
like a Judeo Christian front because if time and everything
on this world is based around the time of Jesus
and then all of a sudden you have these extraterrestrials
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are foreign life, it kind of well, it flips, it
flips all of the traditional religious beliefs on their head.
And I think one of the most poignant perspectives we've
heard about aliens throughout this whole podcast came from the
one and only Dana Carvey. If aliens came down and
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there's some guy from the Israeli Armies, a general came
out at the base, Isn't it just that made me
so happy to think that could be true because everybody
would let go. I always thought if you took an
Isis guy or a hardcore Republican or far left Democrat
and just put them in space, put them on some
kind of thing at Pluto and they could see the universe,
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they'd all probably just start crying and hugging each other,
so we need aliens so we can just go Okay, everybody,
don't take this too seriously. Aliens have come and don't
forget my friend Demi Lovato fully knows how to make
contact with extraterrestrials. On my birthday, I made contact for
the first time, basically me and um, some of my
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best friends. We had all gotten tested and so we
were all together and we I got a house in
Palm Springs and I went out into the desert and
on the night of my birthday, we're all just I
was like, you, guys, I really would love to do
a group metic patian and try to make contact. And
my best friends are all for it, so they were like, yeah,
let's do it. So we did. We meditated for about
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thirty five minutes um together, and then we laid out
under the stars and we were just staring up at
the sky. And so what first happened was this, we
played these tones, this app that you download. You you
play these tones, you meditate and then you play the
tones and you wait for things to show up. And
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well we did. We saw this bright light. We were
all laying down on the ground, so it was just
in the center of the sky. We all look up
and this big ball brighter than any object in the sky.
It wasn't a plane because the way that it just
came into this guy right above us, and then it
just starts moving in these like directions that it's clearly
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not a plane. Then it stops, it goes down like
a falling star almost, and then it stopped us again,
and then it backs out. And the way that it yeah,
it was, it was there was. I literally was like, okay,
so there's there's no debunking that, because there's no that
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wasn't a shooting star, that wasn't a meteorite, that wasn't
a satellite, that wasn't a plane. So what the funk
else could it have been? Why that was not bigger
news is insane to me, Like what makes headlines and
what doesn't always is baffling to me, Like how somebody
in a swimsuit is bigger news than the fact that
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one of the world's biggest pop stars is creating contact
with extraterrestrials on a regular basis. I don't know, I
don't know the reasoning behind that, but I found what
Demi had to say it was so interesting and so helpful,
and I've kind of gone down a rabbit hole into
this whole world of the fourth dimension and making contact
through meditation. I have not been able to make contact yet,
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but I'm working on it, damn it. I tried to Oh,
I tried to own at the moon when it was
like a super blood full moon and then an eclipse,
and so I went outside and I was like, ohming
at it by myself in the driveway for like two hours,
and I was like, come on, guys, I'm here. But
they didn't talk to me. So sad about that. But
Demi got contact, Yes she did. And of course with
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a podcast about the supernatural, we had to talk a
lot about ghosts and why they decided to linger on Earth.
What they're trying to communicate to us. Are they just
trying to funk with us? There's so many good ghost stories,
and I love a ghost story. Most people, if you
ask him, they have a good one. So Carl, you
just make like a super cut of all the best
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ghost stories, like bang bang bang. I got there and
I was like, that's something great about this house. I
was sat there with my brother and he's freaking out.
And then the crew was freaking out. A couple of
the crew guys ran out of the room, wouldn't stay
in them. She didn't, and I was like, what is
going on? Why everyone so freaked out? And then they
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were like, you don't understand. This is the most communication
we have ever got from any sort of paranormal investigation
we have ever done. And I've only worked in this
round for the last ten years, so the town Ballroom
has been there for like again a hundred years. You
can go down into those tunnels and there are legitimately haunted.
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And as we're coming back, I turned around and I
saw a little boy just run in front of me,
like the midst of a little boy, the shape and
form of a little boy. It was a hundred percent
like I know what I saw and that that was
the first time i've I think I've legitimately seen a ghost.
A girl told me a boyfriend died, and kind of
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my when she said he feels like she feels like
is with her all the time. And I felt that
heavy because I felt like a big connection. We like
we found basing now you know what I'm saying. I
think to feel loved and to feel accepted is something
that never leaves you because people die, but energy doesn't die.
Energy can't die, can't be destroyed a cane transfer and
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that song is legitimately about like kind of a ghost
and some weird higher power. So my personal opinion, I
would like to be a ghost with Big Frieda because
she wants to be a ghost that pulls dicks, and
I have a feeling like if her and I haunted
a place together like it would fucking go down. Would
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be the funnest ghost ever. Yeah, I have to say
Big Frieda's idea to be a ghost that pulls dicks
might be a highlight of the season for me. If
I was the ghost, what would be my style of hunting?
Probably something sexual? Oh my god, yes, your dick off.
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So Amy Brunei the paranormal investigator. Basically she's like a
perfect tional of what we're faking to be. Yeah, she's
the real deal. She has all these really creepy dolls.
The doll tried to set her house on fire. I
was drawn to this doll. I put her on layaway
and every week I would bring my five dollar allowance
until I paid off this doll or whatever and brought
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her home and set her up on my shelf, and
then a few days later walked in and it smelled
like burning, and I was like, that's weird. And then
the next day I looked and there was like a
kind of like a scorch mark above the doll, and
I was like, that's really strange. And so then I
smelled it another day and came in and found literally
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her dress was holding and I was like, something is
wrong with this doll. I know. One of your highlights
in the season was talking to the Wizard oz Or
over On Zell, who runs a school of wizardry out
of Seattle, Washington. Can you just talk about talking to
the Wizard and what it was like to communicate with
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a guy who created unicorns? Oh my god, I'm like,
I'm an adult baby. Talking to the Wizard was so exciting.
I completely fanned girls on him, and like, actually talking
to someone who knows so much about everything magical. I
felt like a kid in the candy shop. And something
else that blew my mind is that in our lifetime,
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like you were definitely alive. I wasn't alive yet, but
like in your lifetime there were unicorns. We'll go to corns,
go to corns. Excuse me, there were goat unicorns. That's
still very impressive, and like nobody even knows about it.
I'll say it to people and they're like, Oh, she's
losing her marbles. But then I pulled up a picture
and they're like, oh, ship, that's like a tiny unicorn.
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We discovered the secret of the unicorn, and that is
basically that unicorns were real animals who actually existed at
various times in past, but they were not a species,
so they did not continue. They were in art form
that was created by a secret um process of animal
husbandry that had been discovered and lost and rediscovered several
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times throughout history and applied to different species of horned animals.
So the earliest unicorns that we saw from the Bronze Age,
like four thousand years ago were tarwine. They were bull unicorns.
There was a The Oriental unicorn are cherving. Their deer unicorns.
They have branching horn. The Golden Age of Greece was
inaugurated by the appearance of an airing a ram unicorn
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at the court of the newly inaugurated um King of
Athens Pericles, whose reign was the Golden Age of Greece.
There are many, many of these that appear, but the
ones that were the most famous were the caprine unicorns
we see in the medieval tapestries. Those are the ones
with the beards. Now there's only one kind of animal
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on the planet, mammal that has hoofs and beards in that.
What a sweet soul that man has. I wish he
was my dad. Well maybe he is, Maybe he is.
And then ironically when we talk the witch we talked
to was also from Seattle, which is so apparently if
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you're into witches and wizard's Seattle is the spot go
to Washington State if you want to get down with wizardry.
So um, I mean the hood, which was amazing because
like she is a witch and knows witchcraft, but also
is like has the coolest style of anybody I've ever seen.
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I love her because I feel like when you do
think of like, oh, witches, it's all very dark and
not who she's representing, which is like vibrant and gorgeous
and makeup and beautiful and young. And I just feel
like it's the new era of what being a witch means.
And I find that really interesting because as before talking
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to her, I thought of it as something like separate
to myself. But in talking with her, I realized that, oh,
I'm kind of already inclined to these witchy behaviors. So
if I want to just do more of that, I
can be a witch and it's empowering versus whatever the
old idea of what a witch is. Yeah, essentially it's
you know, she kind of defined it as just a rebellious, spiritual,
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powerful and inspired woman who who doesn't follow follow the herd, right, Yeah,
So in talking to her at the beginning, I was like, oh,
I'm talking to the hood witch. I'm talking to Brie.
And then at the end I was like, oh, Ship,
I think I'm a witch. Culturally, when we think of
the word which, and we think of what that looks like,
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I think that there are so many common misconceptions of
witchcraft in general, and like what a witch is and
what a witch isn't. Uh So, first and foremost, growing up,
I have two grandmothers where I and most of my
spiritual practice from, Um, you have hereditary witches, you have
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people who are just solitary practitioners. So I think that
just in general, the word which you know, obviously, um,
it's like it can be like this big umbrella, because
the witch has always existed in every continent, every country,
Uh you know what I mean. So generally most people's
perception of a witch is like an old haggard woman
(31:29):
with like a big nose with the war on it.
And it's like, I don't look like that. Neither do
my grandmother's neither do anyone you know that. I know
that practices, but I think that just overall as an
umbrella um the which has always existed in this archetype
of just like this wild, fierce woman, in rebellious woman,
(31:49):
this rebellious energy um has always existed. So to be
a witch and to claim that for yourself that can
be in magical practice or you know, it could just
about just energetically like how you feel. And I think
that that rebellion has always just innately been with a
lot of us. You know. Well, also we also realize
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that not only are you a witch, but you're also
a juggalo. Oh my god, yeah, I am. I love
I c P get me that fago. Let's go woot boot.
I am here for it. I love the insane clown posse,
the whole culture. It's so fringe and it's so inclusive.
(32:35):
I just really relate to people that feel like outside
of society and they want to make their own little
group and safe space and home for the people that
just want to be free. I very much relate to
I c P. Music itself is a fucking miracle. I
mean it's a miracle. If scientists could figure out music,
they would they get together with two other sciences and
(32:58):
they would create the ultimith album that's gonna sell to
every fan on earth, and they would sell fifty billion
albums because they created the masterpiece, because they can figure
out music. But that don't happen because they can't figure
out music. Nobody can figure out music. Love is a miracle,
can't You can't put that in a pillar. Sciences would
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be selling that up to bollowing an up sat Well,
they've been trying to do that. I think that's called molly.
Then we were talking about furies and I realized maybe
I'm a furry because I do think anything fluffy to me.
I realized this, like, take take a man. Take that
same man. You put long hair and a beard. I
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definitely prefer the long I love a fluffier, furier thing.
So I'm thinking with all my cats, they're all really furry.
A lot of my furniture it's like fake fluffy furry stuff.
I love fury things, so I might in fact be
a furry and I would have never known in this
I hadn't talked to c P and then found out
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I was a juggalo too, So like I'm a witch,
I'm a juggalo, I'm a furry. I love it. I
think it's it's the fact the common theme here is
that that they're very open, and I feel like you're
very open on this spiritual journey, and it's they're very
kindred spirits. Yeah, I do feel like kindred spirits with them.
I know it sounds goofy, but I really do. I
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love them. They're so nice and fun. And finally we
have to end with where it all began. A k A.
Our Mom, a k A. Granny Rapper, a k A.
The lady who interrupts the podcast all the time because
I normally record the podcast in the basement of our
mom's house. That is so sad. It is sad, But
(34:45):
I need to preface it that I don't still live
with mom. I'm forty years old and I do not
still live with Mom. However, I do live next door
and my office is in Mom's basement, so slightly better
and still living with Mom when you're fortune like barely fairly.
(35:06):
So I do have to give her credit that I
think our interest in the subject comes from the way
we were raised. In part, she does say that she's
an alien, which would make both of us at least
part alien. And when she did barge in one time
on the podcast, she explained that we're also Russian, even
though our whole life we thought we were Hungarian. We
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were Hungarian, and like filmed an episode of the MTV
show we did million years ago, and we went to
Hungary and met a bunch of ancestors who were Okay,
so here's the deal, And she said, according to twenty
three and me, so the people that we met in
Hungary on TV, it's just those people were actually our ancestors.
(35:50):
But apparently they had emigrated from Russia to Hungary. And
you can hear it all right here on the podcast
Take it Away. Granny. Okay, I am Russia. Russian. No,
I'm Rutchian, says who says twenty three in me, so
I'm Russian. Yes, we're from Ukraine. We're Russian. I have
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fourth out of Hungarian. There's not a drop of Hungarian
in US. We're Russian and Polish and Croatian. Well, thank
you for telling me I have like a fourth cousin
in Moscow. Well, let's go to Moscow. I got a
bunch of other cousins, Rudy Giuliani. So also when she
(36:36):
bargoned on the podcast, she shared she shared the story
of when you guys did a past life regression together,
So let's let's take a little listen. No, oh god,
I hate to I was an astrology major in college
and I'm minored in past life regression. True, and I
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did my first past life regression when I was a
tan um. The first regression I did, I was for
Trapper sometime. Probably. Yeah, I was bad. I think that's
why I'm an animal lover now because I think I'm
paying for the fur trapping episodes. But I was just
this big, burly like for Trapper guy that I just
(37:20):
saw myself in this like canoe with a bunch of
dead animals. So, according to the facts from our mom,
you in a previous life died of gana. No, you died.
That is not according to the person who conducted the
past life regression. I'm gonna do something humiliating to you
(37:42):
back for this. By the way, I think you might
have died of a fever. I think you are prostitute.
That's what I think. And you probably and you probably
died of some sort of a v D. And I think,
at least in my dream, you were mind such a bit. No,
I didn't die of a v D. You died. You
(38:04):
died of the v D and you weren't killing animals
in a canoe. All right, So I was a terrible person,
I admit it. But you died of the v D
and left me in the alleys with the street dogs. Okay,
Can I please tell you a I've never had gonaihia?
Well no, no, listen, it's in a past life. And
I'm not saying you have gnaia now, I'm just saying,
(38:26):
in a past life. Oh my god, b I don't
have gnarrhea. See I never have had gnarreha. Four, mom's
making this ship up. D I'm gonna kill you. You
have gone ariha. My brother has gona news flash news alert.
Well maybe in the past life I did have ga No,
(38:46):
the past life progression has said that she like she
was roaming around with dogs and then I was burned
at the steak, and then she somehow decided it would
be like more fun of a story for her to
tell if I died of Gonorea. She totally well, I
think it worked. I have never had gone a rhea.
I was trending today on TikTok. Oh, my god for
(39:10):
what I did a TikTok in my driveway with your
sunglasses and that Louis stole that I stole that I
think are Gucci still my good ship? No? I just
stole what Louie stole and I trended the other day
Instagram too, and you need to post a picture of
(39:30):
us together and tag me. Isn't it such a good podcast?
People can't wait to hear you bitch at me. I
think they're gonna give me my own podcast and boot
you off is probably what's going to happen. So as
Season one of Cash and the Creepies comes to an end,
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I hope all of you out there are staying particularly
open hearted, open minded, keep it creepy, keep on creeping on,
and I I will see you soon. Thank you for
joining us, and get by my troops m
Yea. Welcome to the last episode of Catching the Creepies
Season one, my first podcast. As we traveled down the
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psychic Highway, we talked to wizards and which is ghost
hunters and extraterrestrial investigators, and we discovered that the supernatural
is wrong, very natural. You might not know this, but
this podcast was created by me and my brother. It's
a family affair. So for the special last episode, I
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invite Legan to interview me. Why thank you for having
me Kesha. Oh my gosh, thank you for helping me
create this podcast has been so fun. So because it's
the last episode, we thought it'd be fun to flip
the script a little bit and I can interview you
(01:07):
about what we've learned on this creepy journey. Oh no,
this is like a quiz. Huh yes, it's kind of
like a quiz actually, so um, we're going to go
through some of our favorite creepy subjects and of course
we have to start with the creepiest of all, which
is COVID. And uh, I think we need to talk
about COVID because if it wasn't for COVID, we probably
(01:30):
wouldn't have done this podcast. Uh So, why don't you
tell the story about how we decided to make this podcast.
Early on in in Quarantine, Okay, so I believe I
was really going out of my mind because I was
supposed to be on tour this whole entire past fourteen months.
I was preparing to be gone for a year and
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be on the stage and beyond a tour bus. And
then when COVID happened, obviously the world came to a
stop and we all had to collectively figure out how
to get through this together. And I just was stuck
with so much energy still though, and I lived to create,
(02:14):
whether it's a song or an album, or an outfit
or a live show. I just amused to creating. So
being stuck, there wasn't a whole lot of options to
create things. I mean, we did. We did send you
a green screen and you managed to make an entire
music video with a green screen from Amazon and an iPhone.
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But other than that, and we did plenty of performances
in your house, But there wasn't a lot of options.
But we learned how to make a podcast. We did,
and like neither one of us had any idea how
to do it before, at least I didn't. I mean,
maybe you did, but I know I think actually the
(02:55):
dirty secret is that I had no idea either. Listen, kids,
you don't have to know what you're doing to do it.
You just got to do it. I told everybody that
making a podcast, I see. I did work in radio,
so I figured a podcast is like radio, except for
on the internet, so it can't be that hard. Well,
it's just people shooting the ship, from what I understand,
(03:17):
or at least that's what I've been doing. Yeah, well,
nobody's told us we did anything wrong yet, so I
think we made a okay, fine podcast. I think you
guys like this, okay fine, totally disorganized, random podcast. But
it's been super fun to be able to still connect
with my fans and also connect to people that I've
always wanted to talk to about subjects I'm fascinated by
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just really take a time out from my creativity always
being like self centric. It's very much always like about
my shows or my songs about how I'm feeling and
blah blah blah. So this was fun because I actually
got to just talk to other people about cool ship
and not just talk about myself and think about myself.
Is a nice break. So one going to be playing
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some of our favorite clips of the season. I think
one of the best clips is from our first guests,
Alice Cooper. And when we first had this idea to
create a podcast about the supernatural, your first idea for
a guest was Alice Cooper. So why is that? Well,
Uncle Alice is somebody that I've known for a long time.
(04:23):
He's actually one of the first I cons like in music,
that I met, and he was so kind and he
was so nice, and we have recorded a song together
and I just remember thinking, how when you're that iconic
and you have just like really are part of the
tapestry of culture, you can afford to just be like,
really really nice. So I met him right around when
(04:46):
TikTok came out, so I kind of took his disposition
with me as inspiration on how to be in general.
And through the years he's just been like a great
mentor and we've done a lot of really cool things
together there and he still maintains being one of the
nicest people ever and one of the first people that
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popped into my mind when I thought, oh, let me
think of a creep or somebody who's creepy. Alice was
the first person that popped into my head, and I
love that you can still be a creep, but you
can also be really nice. So we had a lovely conversation. Well,
one of my favorite clips from the whole podcast is
when Alice Cooper explained that he thought COVID was an alien. Yeah,
we should play that one. How do we know that
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COVID nineteen isn't an alien? It could be just invading,
like a very tiny, tiny alien. It's the first it's
the first swave of the invasion. You could be onto something.
We should alert. We should alert somebody. They're cute little
guys should be They're really cute little guys, like little
beach balls with little fuckers. So I'm definitely the skeptic
(05:52):
of the group here. But one of the things I've
really changed my beliefs on over the course of this
podcast is the topic of psychics and telepathy. It's been
really cool to hear you talking to so many people,
from entertainers to experts. So early on. One of our
guests was Dr Caroline Watt, who's a professor of parapsychology
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at the University of Edinburgh, so she actually studies this stuff.
Scientifically at a legitimate university, which I thought was pretty unbelievable.
And one of the things that really caught my attention
is when she explained how many people in the world
have had some sort of paranormal experience. About fifty of
(06:38):
people believe in the paranormal or a ghosts. Is that
about right? That's about right, yes, um, And that that's
taken very broadly, so that would include, for example, traditional
religious beliefs, so believing an adult or believing that you
can pray and heal someone or have things happen you
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won't because of prayer. These would also be regarded as
paranormal beliefs and all of that. About half of these
people believe they've had a paranormal experience. So that means
if you look, you know, you're walking along the street,
you're looking at the people around you, about one and
four we'll have had what they think is a paranormal experience.
And that that's to me why it's obviously of interest
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to psychologists to study. The crazy part about that is
you would think this is kind of like a taboo
subject or when you talk about the paranormal or telepathy
or psychic or any of those kind of words. I
feel like it's an instant like, oh, this lady might
be crazy, And the fact that one and four people
feel like they've had a paranormal experience makes me feel
(07:41):
like it's not really all that taboo. And maybe if
we just talk about it, more people than you would
expect would have really cool stories and really interesting experiences
that maybe they can't really explain. And I just wanted
to hear people's take on that, but I also really
wanted to hear the science behind it. Yeah, I agree.
I mean when she was talking about her personal experience
and how she's more of a skeptic but then experienced
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it herself, I feel like that's when things get really interesting,
when you're a party to seeing something supernatural or feeling it,
because then it becomes much harder to ignore the fact
that potentially there is something that we don't fully understand,
whether it's our brain or a dimensional thing or a
(08:23):
physics thing. Like scientifically speaking, there are things that we
can't see and we can't understand. Not only Dr Caroline Watt,
but also another guest, Graham Nichols, talked about experiments they
had done on telepathy, and for me, you know, coming
from the more skeptical side, hearing these people talking about
(08:43):
doing scientific experiments that essentially prove some form of telepathy
was pretty incredible. There are some researchers who have done
work in the past. Um there's a guy called Alex Tennis.
They did research in the sort of eighties and with
(09:04):
a research of all carlos osis from that via, and
they did experiments where they tried to sort of he
would try to go and see targets and things like that.
And then there's a researcher in Italy at the moment
called Patricio tris Oldie who is doing research same kind
of thing, looking at seeing targets and things like that.
(09:26):
And then the Rhyme Research Center. I've done research with
them looking at trying to again trying to see targets
and things like that at a distance. So we did
like about fourteen weeks of different targets and things, and
then I would try to have an experience or I
tried different techniques, not just out of any experiences. I
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tried to remote viewing. I tried different methodologies. I used
sensory deprivation, mild sensory deprivation. That's the thing that I
think is fascinating about the whole podcast is that it's
really just diving into these these subjects. Whether you want
to call it magic or you want to call it
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the paranormal, it's it's just things that we can't see
and we can't explain with with math. It's it's and
there's so much of it in our world, and I
think it's just been so cool. I think one of
the most incredible examples of this is when you talk
to Tyler Henry and he gave you a reading from
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our grandmother. Can I can I just tell you one
little thing? Sure? Please? Yeah. So, like before I hopped
on the line today, I was seeing my symbol for
the sun and the moon. And I know that might
sound like so vague and random, but it actually has
a lot of meaning to me because the sun always
represents to me like a birthday, life, and then the
moon generally represents like people passing away, you know, death,
(10:52):
and so there's kind of that dichotomy. What was so
interesting is, and I'm aware that you were very close
with your grandmother, Um, there was some reference to your
mom's side of the family and actually your mother's and
correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know if her
mom has a sister, but there was an interesting acknowledgment
with the sun in the moon thing of like within
twenty four hours there being like a birth date and
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a death date. So I know it sounds weird, but
when we talk about your grandmother on your and again
your mom's side, is really like the primary thing that
was hitting me before we even hopped on the line.
There's kind of this interesting thing around dates of like
someone has a death date and then someone has a
birthdate and the right around it, and they acknowledge your mom.
And I don't know if her mom has a sister,
but they're putting a lot of emphasis around what would
(11:35):
be like an aunt for you, So like when did
your grandmother pass? My grandmother passed when I was really little.
It's funny, I'm wearing her ring. It was not going
to tell you, but now I'm done. I just wanted
to see if you picked up on it. But I
she passed away when I was really young, which is
really sad because I have very few memories of her,
(11:58):
but I know she was the email bond and our
family is so strong, like me and my mother really close,
her and her mother were really close. Sure do you
happen to know what date she actually passed away? I
don't know. Do you mind? Um, you can totally check.
Feel free if you need. My brothers on the line.
Oh cool, perfect, because there's something about like your aunt birthdate, birthdate,
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death date. Yeah, there's some reference to these these two
two dates, but they seem right next to each other. Wait. Really,
my boyfriend just told me that, um my aunt's Wait,
let me read it to you. My grandmother died on
December seven, and my aunt's birthday is December six, Okay,
so that it would have been within a twenty for
(12:45):
our issh period of like the birthday and the unthdate.
That is so weird. So that would be why I
was seeing the sun in the moon. Oh my god,
very strange. Yeah, that was insane. That actually was really
crazy because he and I looked this up afterwards because
I just wanted to see if there's anywhere online that
(13:07):
you could have gotten the information that he got, And
there literally is nowhere online where he could have got
this information. He told me something I didn't know about,
and that you had to check with our aunt about
like information no one's ever told me. So, I've never
said it publicly, and I even looked it up specifically
after he said it, because I was like, is there
a chance he could have done just a really deep
(13:28):
dive to find this information. And I don't think that
information is anywhere on the internet. It's not, it's absolutely not.
I didn't even know when he said that. You know,
our our grandmother was trying to tell our aunt not
to be sad because she died around her birthday. I
had no idea, and it took me calling our aunt
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and talking to my mom to realize that our grandmother
had died within a day of our aunt's birthday. And
so for me, that was is kind of mind blowing
and really opened my mind to to what's possible me too, Like,
I don't know how we could explain that neither one
of us knew when grandma died. And I remember when
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we talked to our aunt, she said she's picking out
coffins on her birthday, and like, this is a story
that I had never heard before, had no idea about,
and so in away, by having him tell us that information,
it brought our family closer and hopefully gave our aunt
some closure. Um I don't know. It just made me
feel excited and that there's something else out there and
(14:36):
to be able to communicate that was a really exciting episode. Yeah.
So another one of the greatest hits of the season
was definitely diving into the topic of aliens and UFOs
and uh, speaking of our family. So we came to
these interests very naturally because our mom has always said
that she thinks she's an alien. I'm not entirely sure
(14:57):
she's joking. I don't think she is. Actually, I don't
think she is either. And so if she's an alien,
that means that we're at least part alien. So we
should have an interest in learning about our friends. Our
ancestors are ancestors. So what did you learn about aliens
on this podcast? Um, I got to talk to Oh
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my god, I love talking to Nick Pope the He
was the guy that worked in the government in the
UK at the Ministry of Defense researching and investigating UFOs.
So talking to him was really interesting because I tried
to look at it from the perspective of what why
would this man make this up? He seems like a legitimate,
serious saying human being, and he's talking very matter of
(15:41):
fact about UFOs or just these objects he's seen and
working closely with the military and how much they've seen. Yeah,
it's interesting because it's um you know, when we talked
to him, it was you know, just in the last
few months since we've talked to him, you know, sixty men.
It's did a whole piece about UFOs talking to a
(16:04):
bunch of people within the government on all of these reports,
of these official government reports about UFOs and the fact
that they they're seeing them basically on a daily basis,
and and so one of the things that I thought
was really interesting from him is kind of putting in
context about it actually is probably better if they're aliens,
(16:25):
because if there, if it's actually ships from Russia or China,
then we're in big trouble. I think we have further
forward than we've ever been, and I think this Senate
Intelligence Committee initiative is going to certainly move things forward again.
But whether we cross the line. I mean, the UFO
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community have this concept of disclosure with a big D
and in their mind's eye, it's the President going on
the evening news primetime saying, my fellow and they akins
people of the world, We're not alone My take is
it might not quite go down that way. It might
(17:07):
be a little bit more supple, and I think that's
what we're seeing now. But there are congressional briefings going
on behind the scenes. People like Marco Rubio have gone
on the record to say, look, I'd rather this was
Aliens because if it's Russia or China, we're in big trouble.
I remember him saying that, and he's right. I personally
(17:30):
hope they are UFOs because I think that the disclosure
that I was talking about last year, it's been slowly
happening more and more since you know, the end of
last year, and I really do stand by I think
with technology and social media and connecting and the connection
it creates around the entire world, if somebody sees something,
(17:51):
it's not just like some crazy person in the middle
of the desert that you don't know who they are.
There's a whole profile and a whole person behind it.
And so when people see something and they just it
becomes harder to discount. When there's so many people telling
the same story over and over and over, then you
start to wonder, Okay, well, if there is something to this,
(18:12):
then why is it being kept from us, and instead
of being scared of it and having it be a secret,
are they just slowly releasing this information to get our
brains ready for full disclosure. I remember in the COVID
relief Bill, randomly, there was a part about how in
a hundred and eighty days they had to disclose everything
that they knew about UFOs to the American general public. Right,
(18:35):
there's a report um coming to Congress about UFOs, Like
that's insane to me. It means that we're at a
point where you can no longer just hide the truth
from people. And I do think that is due a
lot to the connection we have to each other and
through social media. It's something that we can't just ignore.
There's too many people that have seen things and we
(18:57):
want to know what it is. I for want of
seeing fireballs in this guy. I don't know what exactly
it was, but I would love a little information. Like
I sometimes feel like the government and people that are
in power placate us and treat us like we're really stupid.
But once you start seeing things over and over and
over enough, people are going to demand information. And I
think that's happening right before our eyes, which is so interesting,
(19:20):
like we're going to be able to tell our grandkids
about when the world found out that there were UFOs
and potentially other life trying to create contact with this planet.
And I think it's going to blow people's minds on
like a Judeo Christian front because if time and everything
on this world is based around the time of Jesus
and then all of a sudden you have these extraterrestrials
(19:42):
are foreign life, it kind of well, it flips, it
flips all of the traditional religious beliefs on their head.
And I think one of the most poignant perspectives we've
heard about aliens throughout this whole podcast came from the
one and only Dana Carvey. If aliens came down and
(20:02):
there's some guy from the Israeli Armies, a general came
out at the base, Isn't it just that made me
so happy to think that could be true because everybody
would let go. I always thought if you took an
Isis guy or a hardcore Republican or far left Democrat
and just put them in space, put them on some
kind of thing at Pluto and they could see the universe,
(20:23):
they'd all probably just start crying and hugging each other,
so we need aliens so we can just go Okay, everybody,
don't take this too seriously. Aliens have come and don't
forget my friend Demi Lovato fully knows how to make
contact with extraterrestrials. On my birthday, I made contact for
the first time, basically me and um, some of my
(20:46):
best friends. We had all gotten tested and so we
were all together and we I got a house in
Palm Springs and I went out into the desert and
on the night of my birthday, we're all just I
was like, you, guys, I really would love to do
a group metic patian and try to make contact. And
my best friends are all for it, so they were like, yeah,
let's do it. So we did. We meditated for about
(21:06):
thirty five minutes um together, and then we laid out
under the stars and we were just staring up at
the sky. And so what first happened was this, we
played these tones, this app that you download. You you
play these tones, you meditate and then you play the
tones and you wait for things to show up. And
(21:29):
well we did. We saw this bright light. We were
all laying down on the ground, so it was just
in the center of the sky. We all look up
and this big ball brighter than any object in the sky.
It wasn't a plane because the way that it just
came into this guy right above us, and then it
just starts moving in these like directions that it's clearly
(21:52):
not a plane. Then it stops, it goes down like
a falling star almost, and then it stopped us again,
and then it backs out. And the way that it yeah,
it was, it was there was. I literally was like, okay,
so there's there's no debunking that, because there's no that
(22:14):
wasn't a shooting star, that wasn't a meteorite, that wasn't
a satellite, that wasn't a plane. So what the funk
else could it have been? Why that was not bigger
news is insane to me, Like what makes headlines and
what doesn't always is baffling to me, Like how somebody
in a swimsuit is bigger news than the fact that
(22:35):
one of the world's biggest pop stars is creating contact
with extraterrestrials on a regular basis. I don't know, I
don't know the reasoning behind that, but I found what
Demi had to say it was so interesting and so helpful,
and I've kind of gone down a rabbit hole into
this whole world of the fourth dimension and making contact
through meditation. I have not been able to make contact yet,
(22:58):
but I'm working on it, damn it. I tried to Oh,
I tried to own at the moon when it was
like a super blood full moon and then an eclipse,
and so I went outside and I was like, ohming
at it by myself in the driveway for like two hours,
and I was like, come on, guys, I'm here. But
they didn't talk to me. So sad about that. But
Demi got contact, Yes she did. And of course with
(23:21):
a podcast about the supernatural, we had to talk a
lot about ghosts and why they decided to linger on Earth.
What they're trying to communicate to us. Are they just
trying to funk with us? There's so many good ghost stories,
and I love a ghost story. Most people, if you
ask him, they have a good one. So Carl, you
just make like a super cut of all the best
(23:44):
ghost stories, like bang bang bang. I got there and
I was like, that's something great about this house. I
was sat there with my brother and he's freaking out.
And then the crew was freaking out. A couple of
the crew guys ran out of the room, wouldn't stay
in them. She didn't, and I was like, what is
going on? Why everyone so freaked out? And then they
(24:04):
were like, you don't understand. This is the most communication
we have ever got from any sort of paranormal investigation
we have ever done. And I've only worked in this
round for the last ten years, so the town Ballroom
has been there for like again a hundred years. You
can go down into those tunnels and there are legitimately haunted.
(24:25):
And as we're coming back, I turned around and I
saw a little boy just run in front of me,
like the midst of a little boy, the shape and
form of a little boy. It was a hundred percent
like I know what I saw and that that was
the first time i've I think I've legitimately seen a ghost.
A girl told me a boyfriend died, and kind of
(24:45):
my when she said he feels like she feels like
is with her all the time. And I felt that
heavy because I felt like a big connection. We like
we found basing now you know what I'm saying. I
think to feel loved and to feel accepted is something
that never leaves you because people die, but energy doesn't die.
Energy can't die, can't be destroyed a cane transfer and
(25:06):
that song is legitimately about like kind of a ghost
and some weird higher power. So my personal opinion, I
would like to be a ghost with Big Frieda because
she wants to be a ghost that pulls dicks, and
I have a feeling like if her and I haunted
a place together like it would fucking go down. Would
(25:26):
be the funnest ghost ever. Yeah, I have to say
Big Frieda's idea to be a ghost that pulls dicks
might be a highlight of the season for me. If
I was the ghost, what would be my style of hunting?
Probably something sexual? Oh my god, yes, your dick off.
(25:56):
So Amy Brunei the paranormal investigator. Basically she's like a
perfect tional of what we're faking to be. Yeah, she's
the real deal. She has all these really creepy dolls.
The doll tried to set her house on fire. I
was drawn to this doll. I put her on layaway
and every week I would bring my five dollar allowance
until I paid off this doll or whatever and brought
(26:17):
her home and set her up on my shelf, and
then a few days later walked in and it smelled
like burning, and I was like, that's weird. And then
the next day I looked and there was like a
kind of like a scorch mark above the doll, and
I was like, that's really strange. And so then I
smelled it another day and came in and found literally
(26:39):
her dress was holding and I was like, something is
wrong with this doll. I know. One of your highlights
in the season was talking to the Wizard oz Or
over On Zell, who runs a school of wizardry out
of Seattle, Washington. Can you just talk about talking to
the Wizard and what it was like to communicate with
(27:02):
a guy who created unicorns? Oh my god, I'm like,
I'm an adult baby. Talking to the Wizard was so exciting.
I completely fanned girls on him, and like, actually talking
to someone who knows so much about everything magical. I
felt like a kid in the candy shop. And something
else that blew my mind is that in our lifetime,
(27:25):
like you were definitely alive. I wasn't alive yet, but
like in your lifetime there were unicorns. We'll go to corns,
go to corns. Excuse me, there were goat unicorns. That's
still very impressive, and like nobody even knows about it.
I'll say it to people and they're like, Oh, she's
losing her marbles. But then I pulled up a picture
and they're like, oh, ship, that's like a tiny unicorn.
(27:47):
We discovered the secret of the unicorn, and that is
basically that unicorns were real animals who actually existed at
various times in past, but they were not a species,
so they did not continue. They were in art form
that was created by a secret um process of animal
husbandry that had been discovered and lost and rediscovered several
(28:11):
times throughout history and applied to different species of horned animals.
So the earliest unicorns that we saw from the Bronze Age,
like four thousand years ago were tarwine. They were bull unicorns.
There was a The Oriental unicorn are cherving. Their deer unicorns.
They have branching horn. The Golden Age of Greece was
inaugurated by the appearance of an airing a ram unicorn
(28:35):
at the court of the newly inaugurated um King of
Athens Pericles, whose reign was the Golden Age of Greece.
There are many, many of these that appear, but the
ones that were the most famous were the caprine unicorns
we see in the medieval tapestries. Those are the ones
with the beards. Now there's only one kind of animal
(28:55):
on the planet, mammal that has hoofs and beards in that.
What a sweet soul that man has. I wish he
was my dad. Well maybe he is, Maybe he is.
And then ironically when we talk the witch we talked
to was also from Seattle, which is so apparently if
(29:18):
you're into witches and wizard's Seattle is the spot go
to Washington State if you want to get down with wizardry.
So um, I mean the hood, which was amazing because
like she is a witch and knows witchcraft, but also
is like has the coolest style of anybody I've ever seen.
(29:39):
I love her because I feel like when you do
think of like, oh, witches, it's all very dark and
not who she's representing, which is like vibrant and gorgeous
and makeup and beautiful and young. And I just feel
like it's the new era of what being a witch means.
And I find that really interesting because as before talking
(30:00):
to her, I thought of it as something like separate
to myself. But in talking with her, I realized that, oh,
I'm kind of already inclined to these witchy behaviors. So
if I want to just do more of that, I
can be a witch and it's empowering versus whatever the
old idea of what a witch is. Yeah, essentially it's
you know, she kind of defined it as just a rebellious, spiritual,
(30:24):
powerful and inspired woman who who doesn't follow follow the herd, right, Yeah,
So in talking to her at the beginning, I was like, oh,
I'm talking to the hood witch. I'm talking to Brie.
And then at the end I was like, oh, Ship,
I think I'm a witch. Culturally, when we think of
the word which, and we think of what that looks like,
(30:46):
I think that there are so many common misconceptions of
witchcraft in general, and like what a witch is and
what a witch isn't. Uh So, first and foremost, growing up,
I have two grandmothers where I and most of my
spiritual practice from, Um, you have hereditary witches, you have
(31:06):
people who are just solitary practitioners. So I think that
just in general, the word which you know, obviously, um,
it's like it can be like this big umbrella, because
the witch has always existed in every continent, every country,
Uh you know what I mean. So generally most people's
perception of a witch is like an old haggard woman
(31:29):
with like a big nose with the war on it.
And it's like, I don't look like that. Neither do
my grandmother's neither do anyone you know that. I know
that practices, but I think that just overall as an
umbrella um the which has always existed in this archetype
of just like this wild, fierce woman, in rebellious woman,
(31:49):
this rebellious energy um has always existed. So to be
a witch and to claim that for yourself that can
be in magical practice or you know, it could just
about just energetically like how you feel. And I think
that that rebellion has always just innately been with a
lot of us. You know. Well, also we also realize
(32:11):
that not only are you a witch, but you're also
a juggalo. Oh my god, yeah, I am. I love
I c P get me that fago. Let's go woot boot.
I am here for it. I love the insane clown posse,
the whole culture. It's so fringe and it's so inclusive.
(32:35):
I just really relate to people that feel like outside
of society and they want to make their own little
group and safe space and home for the people that
just want to be free. I very much relate to
I c P. Music itself is a fucking miracle. I
mean it's a miracle. If scientists could figure out music,
they would they get together with two other sciences and
(32:58):
they would create the ultimith album that's gonna sell to
every fan on earth, and they would sell fifty billion
albums because they created the masterpiece, because they can figure
out music. But that don't happen because they can't figure
out music. Nobody can figure out music. Love is a miracle,
can't You can't put that in a pillar. Sciences would
(33:21):
be selling that up to bollowing an up sat Well,
they've been trying to do that. I think that's called molly.
Then we were talking about furies and I realized maybe
I'm a furry because I do think anything fluffy to me.
I realized this, like, take take a man. Take that
same man. You put long hair and a beard. I
(33:42):
definitely prefer the long I love a fluffier, furier thing.
So I'm thinking with all my cats, they're all really furry.
A lot of my furniture it's like fake fluffy furry stuff.
I love fury things, so I might in fact be
a furry and I would have never known in this
I hadn't talked to c P and then found out
(34:03):
I was a juggalo too, So like I'm a witch,
I'm a juggalo, I'm a furry. I love it. I
think it's it's the fact the common theme here is
that that they're very open, and I feel like you're
very open on this spiritual journey, and it's they're very
kindred spirits. Yeah, I do feel like kindred spirits with them.
I know it sounds goofy, but I really do. I
(34:24):
love them. They're so nice and fun. And finally we
have to end with where it all began. A k A.
Our Mom, a k A. Granny Rapper, a k A.
The lady who interrupts the podcast all the time because
I normally record the podcast in the basement of our
mom's house. That is so sad. It is sad, But
(34:45):
I need to preface it that I don't still live
with mom. I'm forty years old and I do not
still live with Mom. However, I do live next door
and my office is in Mom's basement, so slightly better
and still living with Mom when you're fortune like barely fairly.
(35:06):
So I do have to give her credit that I
think our interest in the subject comes from the way
we were raised. In part, she does say that she's
an alien, which would make both of us at least
part alien. And when she did barge in one time
on the podcast, she explained that we're also Russian, even
though our whole life we thought we were Hungarian. We
(35:28):
were Hungarian, and like filmed an episode of the MTV
show we did million years ago, and we went to
Hungary and met a bunch of ancestors who were Okay,
so here's the deal, And she said, according to twenty
three and me, so the people that we met in
Hungary on TV, it's just those people were actually our ancestors.
(35:50):
But apparently they had emigrated from Russia to Hungary. And
you can hear it all right here on the podcast
Take it Away. Granny. Okay, I am Russia. Russian. No,
I'm Rutchian, says who says twenty three in me, so
I'm Russian. Yes, we're from Ukraine. We're Russian. I have
(36:14):
fourth out of Hungarian. There's not a drop of Hungarian
in US. We're Russian and Polish and Croatian. Well, thank
you for telling me I have like a fourth cousin
in Moscow. Well, let's go to Moscow. I got a
bunch of other cousins, Rudy Giuliani. So also when she
(36:36):
bargoned on the podcast, she shared she shared the story
of when you guys did a past life regression together,
So let's let's take a little listen. No, oh god,
I hate to I was an astrology major in college
and I'm minored in past life regression. True, and I
(36:57):
did my first past life regression when I was a
tan um. The first regression I did, I was for
Trapper sometime. Probably. Yeah, I was bad. I think that's
why I'm an animal lover now because I think I'm
paying for the fur trapping episodes. But I was just
this big, burly like for Trapper guy that I just
(37:20):
saw myself in this like canoe with a bunch of
dead animals. So, according to the facts from our mom,
you in a previous life died of gana. No, you died.
That is not according to the person who conducted the
past life regression. I'm gonna do something humiliating to you
(37:42):
back for this. By the way, I think you might
have died of a fever. I think you are prostitute.
That's what I think. And you probably and you probably
died of some sort of a v D. And I think,
at least in my dream, you were mind such a bit. No,
I didn't die of a v D. You died. You
(38:04):
died of the v D and you weren't killing animals
in a canoe. All right, So I was a terrible person,
I admit it. But you died of the v D
and left me in the alleys with the street dogs. Okay,
Can I please tell you a I've never had gonaihia?
Well no, no, listen, it's in a past life. And
I'm not saying you have gnaia now, I'm just saying,
(38:26):
in a past life. Oh my god, b I don't
have gnarrhea. See I never have had gnarreha. Four, mom's
making this ship up. D I'm gonna kill you. You
have gone ariha. My brother has gona news flash news alert.
Well maybe in the past life I did have ga No,
(38:46):
the past life progression has said that she like she
was roaming around with dogs and then I was burned
at the steak, and then she somehow decided it would
be like more fun of a story for her to
tell if I died of Gonorea. She totally well, I
think it worked. I have never had gone a rhea.
I was trending today on TikTok. Oh, my god for
(39:10):
what I did a TikTok in my driveway with your
sunglasses and that Louis stole that I stole that I
think are Gucci still my good ship? No? I just
stole what Louie stole and I trended the other day
Instagram too, and you need to post a picture of
(39:30):
us together and tag me. Isn't it such a good podcast?
People can't wait to hear you bitch at me. I
think they're gonna give me my own podcast and boot
you off is probably what's going to happen. So as
Season one of Cash and the Creepies comes to an end,
(39:51):
I hope all of you out there are staying particularly
open hearted, open minded, keep it creepy, keep on creeping on,
and I I will see you soon. Thank you for
joining us, and get by my troops m
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