May 7, 2021 • 55 mins
Kesha and Kelly Osborne tell ghost stories and argue about who has the "funnest mum." Kelly tells her stories of communicating with Bessie the ghost in a haunted brothel. Kelly and Kesha explain how the LGBTQ community accepted them for who they are early in their respective careers and pontificate on how WWIII will be waged against robots.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look at those eyes. Oh my goodness. And she sleeps
me every night with so she sleeps on my head,
and oh sleeps on my chest, and then Paully sleeps
on my knees. So I sleep like I'm in a
coffin all night long, which is like perfect because I
grew up in a Jools off. So yeah, welcome back
(00:35):
to Kesha and the Creepies. I am so excited. I
am ecstatic to my next guest with us friend, fashionista, singer, songwriter,
TV personality, dancing with the Stars, amazing dancer like your
your intro list could go on forever. So just like
fucking Kelly Osborne is here with us to say thank
(00:57):
you so much for being here, Thank you how much
for having me cash Like being anywhere where I get
to be in the same room as you is always
the most fun ever. And by the way, my mom
sends her love and then you very much. You know,
you're like literally one of her favorite people on the planet.
So the last time I saw you, we were at
the m and I was standing next to your mom,
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who was the most amazing woman ever, and I had
the best night with her ever. Do you know that
me and my brother's girlfriend still talk about how much
fun we have with your mom. Oh my god, that
makes me happy. My mom just got into town, is
visiting because we're both vaccinated finally, so like she was
so excited to hold her. I was talking to you
and she's like, oh my god, we had so I
love her so much. She's literally like the most fun
(01:41):
Like if you want to think about like a mom
that you're going to have fun with, that's the one.
She's the one. She may beat my mom in this area.
Like I had really so much fun with her. Yeah,
because my mom, like my mom, it doesn't have an ism,
so she's not one of you about so she doesn't
quite get it. And so like when I was like
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talking to you, I was like she gets it. Oh yeah,
my mom. My mom gets it all. It was like
sometimes I'll say things to my mom and she's like, oh,
what's that? And I was like drugs, Mom, I'm like,
how are you married to dad and you don't know
this stuff? She's like I didn't do it, and I'm like,
I know you didn't. I can tell. Oh my god,
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that's so funny. Like I just like so foreign to
it still, even though like she's been married to it
her whole life. Good for her though it goes right
over her head. That's a bless for her. And Mom,
you really are pure, even though like you've got that
fiery thing inside of you, like when it comes to
like drugs and alcohol, you really are pure, like just
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goes right above her head. That's amazing. I was have
fun with your mom, and then the first time I
met you. The last time I met you, my mom
and you were like and your mom, and I was
there for part of it. I was performing that night
and you were presenting. Right are you hosting I'm trying
to remember. I think I was hosting some award show. Yeah,
But then also we were in the Hollywood Ball together
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at my dad show. You came for a hot second.
So much fun. Okay, So that was the time before.
And then the first time I think I met you,
correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you were
one of the first people in my entire career that
was like a famous, like goddess person that I was like,
oh my god, I love them. That was really sweet
to me. And you came to one of my after
parties in like day that I was really excited to
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me because I thought you were so cool, you know,
I was so sweet because I would literally remember being like,
does she she confusing me for someone else? Like, don't remember?
There wasn't very many girls like god when we started.
I know, there really wasn't like if you were different
or like crazy colored hair, or like to drink, or
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like anything that that was unusual glitter or anything you
would categorize in the group that was classif. I just
b t Q, which was the best thing that ever
happened to me. That community taught me how to be
a lady, which is the most insane, like backwards way
of going about it, but it did. It's really weird
say that community makes me want to be a better
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person and be just like strong confidence that I wish
and that was a two too choo too true member
of but unfortunately didn't like the badge. So I just
have to be an ally through and through no matter
what till the day I die. But it is like
they taught me the gay community is what picked me up,
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doesn't me off, and showed me that I could be
human same saying I don't know everything. I don't know
if I would be on this planet without the gay
community the same thing actually the same like and like,
so I'm like the onnomary honorary member and I'm always
like so I always called Michelle, I'm like Michelle were
Ali could be the number one allies Michelle vssage and so,
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but I have to be a member of this community.
Is the only community has made me for a whole
ever same and like like just okay and then happy
and proud, like God forbid to be myself? How to
wake up and be like I'm killing I'm okay with that. Yeah,
and something that was really hard for me do for
me not talking about myself the third person, please awful,
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please do it. I just did. But like it was
one of those things where like we're taught as women,
don't speak up, don't say anything, don't complain. You're lucky
that you're in this industry because you're not the matriarchal type.
You're not. Society standards are beautiful, so shut up, sit
down and do what they say. Yeah, I did so lucky. Yeah,
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you're lucky to be here, So just do You're lucky
to be No one cares, You're just someone's kid, No
one cares. I got told I was at one job
for seven years. They told me that every day you're
just someone's kid. No one cares what you really fucked
up every day they told me that. I was like, okay, okay,
I have a question. You did that. I'm so sorry.
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And at the same time, you're everybody's sucking somebody's kids. Okay,
Well back that the sentence came out wrong. Not everybody's
sucking someone's kids. Everyone everyone is someone's kids. You know,
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everyone is someone's kid, period. Comma and people like that
and ship like that in my life have hurt me
so much, but then also driven me to be like,
I'm gonnam prove to you that I can stand or
like especially I do that with men so badly because
I tell you, I'm going to show you. You said
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this about me, Okay, that's what you think. You just
want to do me and my dad. That's fine. We'll
move on from you and you will remember me forever.
But I don't know who you are. And that's my
favorite part about being in the position where we don't
realize how powerful as women we are. But be proud
of who you are, be proud to embrace who you
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are as a woman. I'm not afraid for anyone to
call me a bit, because if you call me a bit,
that means I'm smart. Oh my god, the same, and
it means I'm setting a boundary. That's what I've learned,
because I'm boundaries are uncomfortable. I never fun to set,
and I have to say, like, out of anything in
my life. Right now, I'm in the most healthy relationship
I've ever been in to where I can we can
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both set boundaries in each other and it's cool. We
have one conversation, we never have it again, and where
in one right now it is like really funny because
I just want to say to him, like, just get
someone to help you, but I can't because he said
that bountary with me, So I'm like, okay, I won't
say anything. And it's all to do with him fixing
his car. I think that he needs to take it
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to a mechanic. He thinks he can fix it himself.
But I realized is that it's an educational progress for
him and process for him, and like a pride process
for him, whereas like I'm just a common sense person
be like, oh just take it to them, care gol
fix it. I know. And I was a mind blown
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over why he was so offended over my my little idea.
But then I was like, no, I get it, like
I totally get it from men. It's different than us.
Sometimes the rational side of things can be emasculating, is
what I've learned over time. If you're not I never
want to emasculate any as somebody who has an opinion
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and a loud mouth, and it is that you and
they're supposing your mentor s You've done is you've emasculated
them because you say true to you and that's not
necessarily true. And you need to pick between the men
who are insecure and who they are and then the
men who you've really taken their power away from these
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two kinds. And I'm very guilty of doing both. And
most times it's just like, actually, you just didn't hear
what I was saying. But also, I'm a full blown
psycho that has conversations with people that I never had,
and I get angry with them. I imagined conversations and
I have arguments with them in my head. Did I
never fucking had. We never had that conversation. He never
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said that to me. I never said what I said
in my head back to him, but I've developed a resentment.
Oh yeah. So then there are times when like what
I said and what I heard were two different things,
and nine times out of ten what I said and
what I heard and never the same. Or the time
I'll get a text, sometimes there's like from the nicest
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person in the role will be like, oh are you okay?
I'll be like, oh, they said like are you okay?
And then my friends will be like or are they
just saying like, hey, are you okay? From you? Why
are they asking if I'm okay? What's supposed to be
wrong with me? I guess I go down no fucking
road every fucking time. It's so bad. It's just like, no,
(10:04):
it's just being nice. Just don'tna be nice? So I
fully hear you. I have dreams and then I'll get
mad at the person who's in my dream dream same.
I did that last night, and then I woke up
all sweaty and angry and frustrated, and I was like,
that never happened. Why am I still angry? Do you
tell them? Because I tell everybody every time? Yeah? Or
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like I'm all about communication in the sense where I
like with my guy, now I hey, I'm having a
really off day. Days of I've seen snappy. It's not you,
it's me do so that you just put it out
there and you don't get because men loved quite crazy.
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Oh yeah. Soon as that see what comes out, You're like, oh,
you're gonna die, you crazy. You call me crazy, and
I'm gonna whip my tampa out and I'm gonna hide
it in your pillow. It's crazy. Now I'm gonna I'm
gonna tie it around your testicles until they can read
anymore and they just pull off, and I'm gonna make it,
gonna have no children. You're gonna be the last person
to ever wolve this planet with your family name. Like
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I go there like you do bad, terrible, And then
I get texts for my dad being like are you okay? Totals,
I'm like, no, I'm not seeing I'd be like, are
you okay? I'm great, You're crazy, I'm just deranged. M okay.
Are you one of those people that get that period
in the full moon? Because I am yea every full mood,
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no Mattha, And like the day before i feel like
I'm literally gonna cry and murder and I'm like, why
is this and every time, like clockwork, I'm like, oh,
I forgot I'm a woman and get my period once,
which men will never understand. And I can't be mad
at them for that, but I am, no, you can't
because they don't get it. They'll never get it. And
that's the one thing that I've really read. Well, there
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are things that I'm that I'm realized that like men
get mad at us about two because, like I said,
we overthink everything and we put like a lot of
the time men are really asking for a really simple
things and we go straight into they hate us, they
don't want to be with us, fuck them, true, And
that is like I'm really learning not to do that,
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not do the putting words into someone else's mouth that
they didn't put there. Yeah, like assuming assumptions are killers.
How's your mom and your brother and everybody through all this,
everyone's really good. It's so strange. Half of us got it?
Half of us did? Did you get it? So my no,
I didn't. My mom and my sister got it, but
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my brother, myself and my dad didn't. And my brother's
kids got it, but he didn't. So there are these
rumors about certain people being immune to it or and
I started to believe, like, maybe this virus is way
more complicated than people ever thought, because I literally was
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bathing my mom, feeding my mom. I didn't care if
I got it. I just couldn't leave her be by
herself so sick. And she was so sick that she
was even hallucinating. At one point she thought I was
her mom, and I even look like your mom. I
don't even know what your mom looks like, Like that's weird.
And then she ended up having to build a hospital
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for one day and then came out and she was fine.
But it was like a very fast education because one
thing I learned was like, when you look at something,
you can be like, oh, you've got canclitists, you've got
the flu. We've had enough illnesses in our lives, throughout
our whole life to where you could be like, oh,
this is something, but it's a whole new look the
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COVID is. I was like, I've never seen anyone this
kind of sick, So it was a whole new way
of kind of treating it as well. I'm just grateful
my dad didn't get it and everybody's healthy and we're
moving on. Thank God. I'm so happy to hear that
I'm sorry your mom went to the hospital. It sounds
like she's out of it now. She's fine. Like every
time might have anything, I'm like COVID, COVID uh, like headache, COVID.
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Like I'm like, I have it, and I cancel everything,
so like it's my time. I'm gonna get it now.
I'm not going to see anyone for two weeks and
that I never have it. I'm okay. I've been one
of those crazy people that's like, how do we not
know that COVID nineteen isn't? Okay? Okay? I have a question? Sorry,
you know so Alice Cooper was on this podcast, right
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and he was the one that said, how do we
know COVID an alien? And I laughed, And since then
I thought about and I was like, wait, but how
do we know? This whole time, I've been absolutely convinced
because they said the only thing that would survive certain
things within um radiation and the way that the atmosphere
works and all the different layers that to get through
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the to the Earth from the Sun would be bacteria.
So how do we know that it's not we're the
new hosts. Oh my god, it's just like I've been
like I have kept myself up for hours researching stuff
like this and even took me back to like how
like Egyptian people were actually people from Mars that came
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to Earth when Mars do Logo was a planet. And
I have this whole conspiracy theory that an Aoki spread
their DNA with the humans and that's how we became
what we are today and why we need less oxygen
and we're smaller and all of those those things. But
like when you look at the technology around and what
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created the Pyramids and how that even was something that
even came to fruition, and their understanding of basic humanology
and geology I don't even know the right words to use,
was far advanced from they were capable of even understanding.
So it's like all these theories and I go down
these loopholes and I'm like, the government knows about the aliens,
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anything is telling us. Do you know why? My theory
is that no one's telling us about the aliens, even
though by the way, there's been stories about it on
like New York Times to like the Daily Mail, to like, oh,
it's my dad's nobody to say, I've got to get
my dad to come on your show because old dad
boggies alien shows. Now, well why I love that and
bring Dad. But like, I want to go because I've
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seen spaceships in the sky, but I've never had like
really to us. Okay, yeah, but I was talking to
Demi Lavado and she was saying that, like drough meditation,
you can basically summon them to come and interact with them.
I don't know how I much I believe that. I
think it's just I'm down to track what your mind is.
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I know i'd be down to try to, but it's
it's more of the fact of what Once you're open
to something, you can see it for what it is.
When you're closed off, you'll never everything will always be
like oh no, that's it. You'll find it. You'll find
a rational explanation for absolutely everything. But the mind will
also rationalize insanity as well. So it's like that that
medium ground. So once you've accepted that that you believe
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that stuff was like that, then you just thought, see,
like it's just there. You didn't realize how much it
was in your face before. But when you realize that
if the world really knew that this was going on,
it would create hysteria, and that's something that that world
does not know how to deal with. Okay, you said
that much more eloquently than I was going to say.
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But basically, what I was kind of thinking is if
you have an open heartedness and just like an openness
to the universe, and like whatever is there will reveal itself.
That kind of attitude, I feel like you'll start getting
more and more signs or more things and whether it's
angels or ghosts or demon whatever you want to call,
it's just And I believe everyone has a goden angel.
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I believe that everybody is capable of tapping into that
other dimension, whatever it may be, and some people are lucky.
I I am an EmPATH. I'm one of those people
that if you hugged me or if you touch me,
I could feel what you feel. And it's horrible sometimes,
like when you're just like you carry around everyone's like
anxiety and sorrow and sadness. But then it's great when
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you meet someone who's exciting and that's they become the
people that are infectious to you because you want to
feel that instead of feeling sad and it. So that
was something that when I did this ghost show with
my brother. I never realized I was that good at
Oh my God, which for people listening, you did a
ghost show. Um, what was it called The Osborne's Nights
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of Terror a Heritage Square and yeah, Heritage Square Museum.
And we went to Heritage Square Museum here in l A.
And just so everybody understands what that is is that
they took the oldest buildings in California and picked them up,
put them on the back of trucks, and moved them
to one location. So you have houses that were the
very first houses ever built in the state of California. Okay,
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So it just passed downtown l A past Dodger Stadium
and I would love to go to so much. Let's go.
And what I love about it is that you can
They have the best gift shop too, with all old
stuff and different things. But they collect different Like if
you were going to redo your house and have like
old light posts, they have like three thousand light posts
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from a certain yeah or whatever it may be. That's
a heritage classic for the state of California. So there's
certain things that if you're looking for, like architecturally, that
are really cool there too. But I went with my
brother and he brought out the rampart that I at
first was like, what the fund is this BP thing?
That's so stupid that want to do this? And he's like, no,
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just do it. And for some reason, when I first
got there, I had a connection to this one house
and I got them, I was like, I'm most comfortable
in that house. I want to stay in that house.
And they were like why and I'm like, I don't
know the greenhouse. I'm like, They're like, it's the Hale
House and I was like the Hale House and they're like, yeah,
Bessie Hale. And they gave us a bit of information
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on her about her husban then than her and how
they I think it was. They it was very well
to do. He ended up cheating on her, he stole
her diamonds, but because he had an alcohol problem, she
ended up winning the house in the divorce, which was
unheard of back then, and then she took everything and
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turned it into a brothel so that she could keep it.
And she was just like this badass woman. It did
what she had to do to survive. And her house
is incredible, and they filmed a little stuff there. They
even filmed I think some of American horror story and
that how cool. And I got there and I was like,
there's something gad about this house. They were like, we
want you to go in there. As we went in
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there and we put the rampart on and I started
to be able to communicate, which was something I've never
done before, and I was rampart. What's a rampart? Okay,
So it's a beeping machine, So I don't even A
man invented it so that he could communicate with his
daughter who passed onto the other side. And what it
does is that it taps into other frequencies that you
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that the human ear can't hear and and it will
be think but like they say that the seventh dimension can.
And basically you ask it yes or no questions, So yes,
it beats if it if it's a no, it doesn't
do anything. And so everything is just a yes or
no question. And there is nothing that you can do
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to make it beat unless you're something like a police
radio or um a walkie talkie or something. So when
we went into this, we made sure that all the
camera equipment that could have anything to do with interfering
with the frequency was off. Just like we had steady cams.
We had um no walkie talkies, no communications, no cell phones,
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no anything in the room. So I would So when
I started to ask questions and they started to respond,
I was like, freaked out, did you know responding? Not
at first, no, but I had a feeling it was feminine,
and I had a feeling they one happy about us
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being there, but there was something they wanted us to know.
So I just started asking questions and everyone started freaking out.
And because of my ignorance to the paran or More
world and to the investigation of it, I I didn't
realize what was really happening. I thought this was something
that I guess if he did this, this is what
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happened when you go ghost hunting. This is what happened.
And I was sat there with my brother and he's
freaking out, and then the crew is freaking out. A
couple of the crew guys ran out of the room,
wouldn't stay in them, didn't And I was like, what
is going on? Why is everyone so freaked out? And
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then they were like, you don't understand. This is the
most communication we have ever got from any sort of
of paranormal investigation we have ever done, and I've only
worked in this realm for the last ten years. So
I was like, Okay, this is weird. This is weird.
So I will tell you that I've been back to
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that house since a few times, communicated with Bessie. Right,
Bessie was the so even got so much as like
they did this other form of like um videography. I
guess where it shows like the outlines of I'm not
quite sure how this piece of yeah and for this
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piece of technology even works. All I know is that
we went from being like they told me to put
my hand out and then I felt like this like
pressure on my hand, like hot pressure. And as it
was happening, my hand went down and you can see
someone touching my hand through this special camera. And I
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just remember thinking like this is really strange and everybody's
really scared. But for some reason, I was really calm,
like abnormally calm, like wanted to take a nap. I
was so tired, calm, Oh my god. But when I
left there, I freaked out, like did it just like
catch up with you or something cool up with me?
I freaked out. I went insane at my brother. I
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told him, he was a liar. I didn't talk to
him for two weeks. I thought that he had like
you or something. Yeah, he was just working with me.
It turned out I couldn't have been more wrong, and
he wasn't working with me, and I was just like
still blown away. Like I watched it back now and
I'm like, Piano, I wouldn't believe that if I watched
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that either, Oh, I have it. I believed it, but
I was like, in my mind, I also was putting
myself in your shoes, and I was like I would
wonder if someone was working with me too. The whole time,
I was like, no, you're working with me. And Elane,
who was like the director of the whole thing, she
was pregnant at the time, and I was like I
can't read scream at Lane because she's pregnant and like all.
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But it's like really not called to funk with people,
and like Elaine has come to me and she's like, Kelly,
I didn't do anything. I swear to god, I didn't
do anything. I believe, and like you get to this
point where you're like what happened? So after that, they'd
come to us and they were like, do you want
to do another one. They were like, we've never had
this kind of activity, whether it the Ghost Adventures, the Brothers, Jack,
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no matter what, will you do another one with us?
And I said, I'll do it if we can do
it with the brothers. And then so we're donna do
it again, and so there's an extra slot because we're
gonna do Aliens, Bigfoot and ghosts. Do you want to come?
I'm I'm I'm all of them. I am are cooking
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right now to all of them. Oh my god, yes,
we have so much fun. I'm like yeah. So like
I'm really excited about it. And we started a about
four weeks. I think now I'm like, okay, so now
are they going to work with me? Because they didn't
last time? And I was such a stink about it,
like such a stink there were I was like, you're lying.
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I'm not coming back. I don't want to talk to you,
like so much so that I The last scene of
that show was us sitting outside and the reason we
were sitting outside was because I got somewhere up but
Jack I went away out of town. Oh my god.
I was upset with him because he lied to me
and then came back and couldn't be in the same
place as my parents because we were still on the COVID,
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so we had to shoot it outside. Oh but this
was it wasn't like a small thing. Like we had
a huge fight over it. Like I did not believe
that it was real until I made them like break
it down for me and show me that there was
like nothing that could have made it happen. And then
nothing covered door opening inside one of the houses when
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we Jack and I were both stood there and we
were both like, hey, no, I'm gonna made that happen.
Even though I just like watching that though I was like,
could this be really real? And like you telling me this,
Like I fully believe that this stuff is real, And
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much like the alien stuff that's going on, I'm like,
why does nobody care? Like everyone's talking about what color
hair whoever's hair is, but like there's aliens and people care,
but like it's I feel like it's awesome. Then the
guy from Blake two and then everyone else is like
too big on like the political um, I would say,
stories that are conspiracy theory, yeah, fair, I mean that's
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I mean, like good free is what most people. Oh
my god, stock on it, I'm going to stay with
aliens and because that's too much well, and I like,
I've seen spaceships and I've seen a ghost, so I'm
just gonna live there. Because it also feels really magical
and it feels like that feeling like, oh my god,
can this be real? Almost like when you fall madly,
madly in love and you're like, can this be real?
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I love that feeling. But it's also this this whole
feeling of it's okay not to know something, and it's
opening your mind to what is what else is out there?
And that is like everybody has this whole thing that
you have to be the smartest, the prettiest, the funniest,
the best, but you can't be that if there's something
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else that you don't understand. Yeah, it's also the minute
things per pumm into not understanding is the minute people
start to be like, oh, I'm not gonna like this now.
And for me, it's like, okay, if there's somebody's gonna
take me away from this miserable planet and it can
take me to a nice one. I have a spaceship
(28:39):
if you want to hear, because it's like I'm waiting
for my spaceship. Come get me. I'm ready. Let's go,
and my mom take me the fok away. Now, I
wrote that with my mom, who is also she believes
because you were talking about that, I forget what they're
called an anookie, people like the tall alien. Okay, so
(29:00):
my mom, is it whole? Okay, if you really want
to go into it, Yes, there is a There is
a whole thing about the Anna Nookie being part of Alison.
I know Alison wants that the Wizard of Oz and
the Wizard of Oz is a real story. That's actually
the story of the Ana Niki. Okay, well, hold on,
you write that down. So it's like I've gone deep
into this ship. Wait, I'm so excited to I'm gonna
(29:24):
get your phone number and ask you so many things.
I'm deep, well because I know there are aliens, and
I think, well, my mom thinks that she fully is
partially an alien, which you met her, she might be canny.
I love it like this is my ship, this is
my dad. But so that would make me like at
least a fourth alien. So if I'm one fourth alien,
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then and I feel kind of like an alien, Like
I just don't feel normal. I've never felt like I
fit in anywhere. I've never felt like comfortable anywhere, except
for with other artists that believe in aliens against a
and animals like animals. Oh who's that? Who's that? Oh
(30:07):
my god? Oh my good? But wait, what's her name? Police? Irene?
My name drafted the finger backs raspect. Oh my god, police,
and you're so cute. Oh my god, please bring Polly
over to my house. I love her. We are addicted
(30:29):
to each other, though it is very hard for us
to be a pot everything together. But the one who
I'm even more thicted to is the one I rescued
during COVID. I mean, do you have I have too?
Oh my god, you can bring every over to my house.
I have four cats, so like that will be interesting.
But okay, so oh it's best friend as a cat,
(30:51):
a cat to place with my cat. Mem Yeah, I
didn't tell me because it's originally you know's so funny
and she got little time. I didn't know that you
could get cats with short legs, and when I got
into and I didn't know, okay, let me go see
(31:11):
like the finder on a second, I'm like, where you
can't just talk about the tiny legs white where's okay.
So first of all, oh my god, look at this cat.
Oh my god, Oh my god, that's the most beautiful.
She's so gorgeous. I didn't know what Munchkin was or
(31:35):
anything that those guys look over here, look at those eyes.
Oh my goodness. And she seems to me every night
without she sleeps in my head and sleeps on my chest,
and then Polly sleeps on my knees. So I sleep
like I'm in a coffin. Oh night long, which is
perfect because I grew up. So yeah, yeah, I I
(31:57):
told until my dad stopped touring, because here, he's just
traditions my whole life. I've never not been on one
of my dad's tours, every single tour since I had
been on, and it was like, so all the animals
come with us, and my dad likes it when I
come because his dog is really not good at traveling
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and gets a really bad stomach, so he doesn't travel
with my dad. It's too stressful for him. So when
I come and bring my dogs and my dad loves it. So,
oh my god, I love that he's such an animal man.
Right now, he just rescued another dog, and it he
does is just sit with me. He probably has about
fourteen of them right now. My mom rescues dogs. She
is eleven, but then one passed away. But she's getting enough.
(32:40):
She's starting a dog rescue for like, oh my god.
They're doing the same thing, like all the rescue animals.
But they're like, we want to buy land, and not
just the dogs. They want to bring in like every
kind of wounded animal that they can find. And I'm like, okay,
so now they're going to have the oldborn family zoom.
Oh my god, I'm moving in with you, just letting
you know. I'm like coming one of the tigers from
(33:03):
a tiger king. That would be great. We could rescue fantasy.
Oh fuck, yes, they do all these animals. I have
a question. Did you get approached by them when you
went to Vegas for them to come to your hotel room?
I did, and I said no. And it's one of
the best decisions I think I made in because you
(33:23):
don't know that was at the moment I don't like,
doers are amazing? Of course I want to because you're
you're you're like, oh big, because you think baby tiger
like the baby. And then I I actually asked the question.
I was like, well, where did they come from? Isn't
that like a legal and where how does that even happen?
And then it turns out that it was like a
whole big lug and thank god I didn't do it,
(33:46):
and the person who was with me ended up on
the documentary. Fucking hell, Oh my god, one of the
best decisions you ever made. Because it's also especially because
I'm such an advocate for animals, I had no idea
how they even did any of that. And when you
learn about how many tigers are in the wild versus
in captivity and specifically in America, it's crazy. So that's
(34:08):
actually what Tiger's captain captivity in America that you do
in the world. Okay, this is crazy that we're talking
about this because my long term goal plan of life
is to write songs and like be as much like
Dolly Parton as possible and have a huge sense Dollywood
the sanctuary. Yes, okay, and then like, oh my god,
(34:29):
did you imagine um would be would or l or
town or sounds kind of like a boner, which I like,
you know, I meant to that. I think it tends too.
You're like cash, you would dumped up with me or
all night. Have you ever been to Dollywood? I have
(34:54):
driven past only Wood, but it was closed the day
that we were meant to be going. Oh my god,
I was really upset about it, but I did get
because it's close to is it? Am I correct in thinking?
That is very close to where Elvis President lived. It's
like Tennessee because I'm from so I meeting very much.
I remember we were going to do this whole thing
(35:15):
where we went to Alvis President's house. Dolly would one
stop in one day and Elvis Place was open, but
Dollywood was closed and we didn't get to do it.
So that's okay next time. If you look at how
many unread text messages, emails, all of it. If you
want to see me, I'm a face to face person,
you've got to do it that way too, the same
I'm I have at least eight thousand emails on read.
(35:36):
Oh my god, I think I might be the only
person to ever beat you on this. Okay, wait, please
let's check and see how many emails? Are you ready?
Are you ready for this? Yeah? Nine? Wait, mine's actually
eighteen thousand thousand. I think how many unread text messages
(35:59):
I've three. Are you in there? I only have forty
text I'm like you, get hold of me, that bad
fucking pick up the goddamn phone. Tell me okay, good
to know. I'm going to call you what I want
to talk to you, and definitely fucking don't email me.
Just disclaimer to the world. Don't email me. It's a
(36:20):
waste of I am not of that generation. It's all
about email. Technology and nature. Are they opposites? Or is
technology the human evolution of like right? Or is that just?
Is this us evolving? Is technology making everything so easy
(36:40):
though that it takes us so far out of our
actual animal nus? So then when we talk, I agree
with you on that. I think that infant gratification has
destroyed the mind and love and connection and human connection
and just appreciation and depression like I love smelling. I
think that, my God. I think that there's also a
(37:04):
part of human evolution as well. Technology is unfortunately, I
think it's technologies, and I think the emotions are going
out of the window, and human understanding in the way
that we were compassionate and loving is being replaced. And
that's why so many people are being born with these
new forms of autism. To where it doesn't allow people
(37:25):
to have the emotions and the feelings that the humans
are actually becoming robotic in the sense that it's it's
all part of human evolution. It's one and the same.
I think so too. And it's when I when I
meet so many of my friends who who are like
I have Asperger's, I have this kind of autism, that
kind of autism, and it's the kind that doesn't allow
(37:47):
them to connect emotionally with another human being and to
see the struggles that they go through every single day.
I can't help it. And and and have them say themselves,
I'm not speaking on behalf of them. I'm using their words,
not mine, that they feel robotic, you can't help But
like I've had this conversation with them many times, and
(38:08):
it's I didn't have that idea on my own put
it that way. It was something that I've often thought
about that maybe that this human socialization, if you need
another human being to survive, like the fastest way to
deplete a human of their senses is to stick them
alone in the room by themselves with nothing, and they'll
(38:29):
go sit insane purely like space, you have to procreate
with another person at least as right now in some way,
like you can get a sperm donor, but like at
some point you need another human being to help create life. Right.
But something about technology feels like there's so many good
(38:52):
sides to it, but then there's so many really really
dark sides to it that it it scares me. I
think that everyone keeps talking about how we're going to
have World War three, Well will this, Well, it'll be
a war against technology versus humanity and creating exactly. I mean,
human beings created all the bad things that go on,
and mis No, what are we doing? We like the worst,
(39:17):
We're gonna destroy the planet that we built. But I know,
I think that's also a really weird thing where you're
like if we're and when you talk about it to anybody,
they're like, it's not real, you're just green peace, You're
just this. I'm like, Okay, wasn't it what was The
governor of Texas said, I'll believe it when Texas, when
(39:38):
Texas freezes over? Oh my god, what happened? Is it? Okay?
But it didn't, Ted Cruiz. Isn't that what he said?
I believe when Texas freezes over? Him getting on a
plane to go to to Mexico during like one of
the biggest like fucking health right his state has ever seen?
Oh and blaming his daughter. That was my favorite companiments. Yeah,
(40:00):
should be a normal spring break. Well we all need
a normal spring break, so let's not destroy the planet.
How about that part. It's weird because I think about
like this is not cute. But if we said that, like,
oh we need the spring break, cancel culture. We know
Ted Cris should be canceled. I don't know how he's
(40:22):
not canceled. But I think people is like lice and
the world is our head. So if your lice on
a head, you need that head to be a piece
of lice on that's a disgusting comparison. But like you
don't have the hair, then how are yeah, you ruin
(40:42):
the hair you're saying. I totally get. We can say
there's probably a cuter way to say it, but like
purely from just like we're trash a little light people.
We are like but like fuck the hair. And it's like, no,
one okay that you're not a hillbilly like some other
people like me. No, No, actually I think that I
(41:04):
think I am a hill billy because you only get
lisn of clean hair, is what I've been told. Oh
so I don't know what that says about me. I
think that's what people would say to make you feel
better if you have lives, because I'm pretty My mom
poured gasoline on my brother's head when he had lice
and he started hallucinating and I think he almost died,
but it killed the lice. Disclaimer, don't do this to
(41:29):
your children. People you know and live in l a
where they have like what is it? They call it
the nitness that comes around to everybody's house, that comes
in my coat, your kid's hair, gets rid of everything?
That was not the case in no I read none
about this. Now that my brother has kids and somebody
(41:51):
in his school got it. Have been somebody like what
are the neighbors of something? And then this number went
out for like the liceness and my brothers what easting
and it's funny hugs each other get the buts a
weird job, right, like I get rid of like I
go around in my truck collect to life yummy by
(42:13):
you know what I'm saying, get rid of that for
you know, like how do you not get it? Which part?
Oh the life oh yeah, that party you poor gasolene
on your head. I don't ask my mom. But wait,
like one question I really wanted to ask you before
(42:33):
I run. Okay, okay, okay, so you well there's two questions.
So just tell me when you have to go and
whatever um you wear, don't I've got five Okay if
you wear ptagram every day, but I don't have it
on right now? Should we not talk about it? Well?
I just think that pantagrams are now. I love pentagrams,
and I did a video with a pentagram in it,
(42:54):
and half the people on the video set thought I
was a double worshburn left. Okay, I am so angry
right now about this. It makes me really upset. I
am so in the last excess court with this. People
do not understand what a pentagram is. If you believe
in air, if you believe in fire, if you believe
in water, if you believe in spirit, if you like
(43:16):
the fucking Power Rangers, you believe in what the pentagram preach.
Thank you like it's it's the pagan pentagram. It is natural,
It is the element. It is not anything else. It
is not it is There is a different pentagram as
a Satanan Pentagram. I have nothing to do with that.
(43:37):
That's not my world. I will never be a part
of that. But I don't I do not believe in
black magic. I do not believe in wishing ill on anybody.
I believe in the power of three. Whatever you do
comes back to threefold times three times three, and that
is what it always should be. And the way that
you always put yourself out there is and that's always
(43:59):
one of the things that we go in the power
and witchcraft and all of that kind of stuff is
the power free. Whatever you do, your intention is what
sets you forward. It's um you know, you intend for
good for people, and that will come back to you
three times three times three. If you intend for bad
for someone, it'll come back to man. I love that.
(44:21):
I didn't know the three every single time. So three
times three, so there's three is a very important to me.
I think so too. And like during COVID, I was
thirty three, and I was so stoked on being thirty
three because it's like my lucky year. And I've decided
now that COVID happened, I'm just gonna it's like daylight
savings time. I'm taking thirty three back, I am thirty four,
(44:43):
but now I'm just gonna say I'm thirty three. For me,
three was the year of acceptance. Is when I was like,
I want to be a woman. I don't want to
be a little girl anymore. Oh my god, it's so
imp That's when I I switched everything up and started
to take accountability and to put everything where I thought
(45:04):
it should go. Yeah, I love that. I'm taking take
it back and we do it living again because it's
a very powerful year, and it's where like I feel like,
as women we come into our own I do too.
I feel so much bossier and just everything. I think.
(45:25):
I like to let go of trying to control everything
because it's so intense right when you're in this industry.
There's so much ship going on. You feel like if
you say no to one thing, you're gonna lose everything,
or if you say yes to one wrong thing, then
your reputations, and then it's like also exactly, it's like
you can't win, and but like fucking not know is
a full sentence. Yes, ah, yes, no you can't lose it. No,
(45:52):
it is a full sentence, And no, you can't lose.
You just put your birst foot forward and and just
keep trying and know that it's all about intention. If
you intend to be good, and you intend to be
a better person, and you strive to make every day
be a learning lesson rather than the other way around,
(46:15):
and you trying to teach the world something, I think
that you leave yourself open to much more happy existence.
Oh my god, I love all of that. Right before
you go, I need to just know about when you
met a voodoo priestess. Oh, you want to know about
Sally and Glassman. She's the best. Okay, So the very
(46:36):
first time I ever met her was at John River's funeral.
She was sat in front of me, and she's just
somebody's face that I remembered and because it was like
one of those really weird moments that it was so
surreal and kind of like how am I even here
right now? And you kind of remember things in pictures,
(46:57):
and I just had this picture of this woman's face
in my head for years. And I walked into a
voodoo temple in uh New Orleans and with my friend
Kelly Cotrone, who's my best friend. I love her. She's
the best. You will love her. Um such a witch.
She she took me to see her for a reading
(47:17):
and she looked me, she goes, do you remember me?
And I went, oh, my god, I do remember. And
it was because she was I didn't know this. I
had heard about her from Joan, but every time Joan
got a knew how she would come over and cleanse
Jones's house every time there was anything like she always
gave Joan readings and all this kind of stuff, and
she gave me reading and it was just like this
(47:39):
weird crazy like how is this happening? And um there
was like all of these weird things that happened to me.
After I went to go see her, I went to
my friend's house afterwards and I put out my hand
in a fireball, shout out my hand and yeah, weird
ship like that, Like I would wake up and all
(48:01):
my jewelry on my bedside table would be squished into
a bowl, Like why is this happening? Like I don't understand.
And I ended up talking to um Sally about it,
and she said that I ended up getting an attachment
and she believed that it was Papa Legba And what
I had to do was leave out a cigar and
(48:21):
a Gasso champagne, which was my bed and Papa Legba,
who is the kind of angel of death, so he's
like the gatekeeper for the world of death like and
so I would wake up and my jewelry would be
squished and things that would be moved around and I couldn't.
(48:41):
It was really still unlike, Who's doing this? And I
was blaming people. I was firing people. I was um
removing people from my inner circle because I thought that
somebody was messing with me and it wasn't. And long
story short, um I ended up having through reading with
her over the phone. I left out a cigar and
a glass of champagne, did the rich what she told
(49:02):
me to do, and then it never happened again. Oh
my god. And it kind of it scared me. But like,
voodoo to me is one of the most interesting I'm
just about. I do believe it's magic. I think that
it's in Voodoo is as important as any religion. Oh
(49:27):
fully agreed. I think any religion. It's just that because
it got brought to this country by slavery, people look
at it differently and they think that it's not as say,
um legit as let's say Jesus Christ. Well, I think
part of the people who have carried these stories for
(49:48):
years and years and generations and generations. This is their
version of that and it's got nothing to do with magic.
And when when you go back and just a good personal,
bad person. Yeah, because I love reading religious texts just
out of curiosity and it's all supernatural. Really if you
look at it, like, did you ever read the book
(50:08):
Sex and God? No? Is it good? So okay? So
you if you read this book, it will change the
way that you view the Bible and religion in general.
Because back then when you said things like went with
Jesus went with you would just see the words went
with and they just went somewhere, like they walked from
this room to the other room. But to say you
(50:29):
went with somebody was that you slept with them. Oh.
So when you break down the text and the verbage,
it means something so different and the words are so
different and the story has become different. And I will
find this book for you. I think Joan was the
one who gave me this book the first time, and
its like you was gave me funny books. She gave
(50:51):
me one on Charles Manson. We were just talking about
so fascinated with learning about why things in the home
will old. I want to know, you need to daughter, Um,
Like I very well versed on all of that if
(51:13):
you want to know any information on it, because I've
my dad met him a few times and this was
when he was all with the obsessed with the beach
Boys and staying at the house on sunset and like
all this crazy stuff. And um, So Sharon Tates sister Debritate,
she's still alive, and I've had dinner with her a
(51:34):
few times and spoken with her about a lot of
the she'd be somebody very interesting for your talking on
your podcast, Like she's awesome, that's a good idea, just
hearing what what she went through and like could what
she still continues to go through as a result of
these people obsessed with cult culture is insane? Well it's
how wildly it's not real? Well, it's not real, And
(51:58):
what's the difference between Like I wanted to study comparative
religion at Columbia, but then I started singing, and that happened.
So when I went there, I would study like Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, Catholicism.
But then I also on the podcast have talked to
the leader of the Satanic Temple. It's not Satanic at
all and a UFO religion exactly, and people don't realize
(52:19):
that Satan or it's Jesus or whoever it is. Like,
I think most of the religious texts are all trying
to say more or less the same thing. And we
need to stop killing each other about it. And I
think you're personal person, bigger person, be nice, have good intentions,
say you're sorry if you funk up, and like the end,
(52:40):
we don't have to fight about it. I feel like
that there's no more, there's no lads. Yeah, just like
I also feel like spirituality or religion or whatever your
connection is or is not, it's so personal. It's kind
of like persecuting someone over like their sexuality. Like it
makes no sense to me. It's a personal thing. None, none,
Like it's a personal thing, it's a person. I will
(53:02):
only be upset with you for what you've personally done
to me. If you have done something I don't agree with,
I will try and gently guide you in the right direction.
If you don't take that information, that's on you, not me. Yeah,
it's almost like non consensual sex. It's like, well, just
don't like non consensual religious pushing. It's like it's a
personal It's a personal relationship you have with yourself and
(53:25):
fully understand whoever is Like it's personal. So let people
have their personal relationships that is consensual with what and
whom they would like, and stop killing each other about it.
That's my personal thoughts. I agree. Okay, before you guys
there anything you want to like plug or unabashed that
(53:48):
I got to pull the plug is that May the
force be with you on May fourth, because that's when
my podcast comes out with me and my fun group
of friends and Jeff Beacher that we have been working
on together. It's just like the whole group of Beaches
Madhouse back again and all having open discussions because we
all have such different perspectives, whether it's the trans perspective,
(54:10):
the little person perspective is so important that everyone's voice
is a hood and that people have a good time
right now? Do you know what I'm saying? Like that
I can listen to a conversation that necessarily isn't as
serious as everything that we're turning on our TVs and
being a face with every single day. And it's a
bit of escapism. And our motto is what you call freaks,
(54:31):
we call family. So everyone I love that, and escapism
like seems dismissive, but to me, it's so important. It's
the most important thing. I need it so badly and
I think it's really special people unabashedly to make these
escapist things where you can just get lost in a
joyous or informative or whatever kind of conversation. So I
definitely be listening to it. What is it called. It's
(54:54):
it's called Kellios on a jet Beaches show. Oh my god,
thank you so much for being here, do it. I
love you so much, love you, thank you so much,
So good to you. Give your family my love please,
I love you. I love you too. Thank you so
much for listening to me and the gorgeous, magical, witchy, fabulous,
(55:15):
iconic Kelly Osborne. Keep on creeping on creeps, See you
next Creek
Look at those eyes. Oh my goodness. And she sleeps
me every night with so she sleeps on my head,
and oh sleeps on my chest, and then Paully sleeps
on my knees. So I sleep like I'm in a
coffin all night long, which is like perfect because I
grew up in a Jools off. So yeah, welcome back
(00:35):
to Kesha and the Creepies. I am so excited. I
am ecstatic to my next guest with us friend, fashionista, singer, songwriter,
TV personality, dancing with the Stars, amazing dancer like your
your intro list could go on forever. So just like
fucking Kelly Osborne is here with us to say thank
(00:57):
you so much for being here, Thank you how much
for having me cash Like being anywhere where I get
to be in the same room as you is always
the most fun ever. And by the way, my mom
sends her love and then you very much. You know,
you're like literally one of her favorite people on the planet.
So the last time I saw you, we were at
the m and I was standing next to your mom,
(01:18):
who was the most amazing woman ever, and I had
the best night with her ever. Do you know that
me and my brother's girlfriend still talk about how much
fun we have with your mom. Oh my god, that
makes me happy. My mom just got into town, is
visiting because we're both vaccinated finally, so like she was
so excited to hold her. I was talking to you
and she's like, oh my god, we had so I
love her so much. She's literally like the most fun
(01:41):
Like if you want to think about like a mom
that you're going to have fun with, that's the one.
She's the one. She may beat my mom in this area.
Like I had really so much fun with her. Yeah,
because my mom, like my mom, it doesn't have an ism,
so she's not one of you about so she doesn't
quite get it. And so like when I was like
(02:03):
talking to you, I was like she gets it. Oh yeah,
my mom. My mom gets it all. It was like
sometimes I'll say things to my mom and she's like, oh,
what's that? And I was like drugs, Mom, I'm like,
how are you married to dad and you don't know
this stuff? She's like I didn't do it, and I'm like,
I know you didn't. I can tell. Oh my god,
(02:25):
that's so funny. Like I just like so foreign to
it still, even though like she's been married to it
her whole life. Good for her though it goes right
over her head. That's a bless for her. And Mom,
you really are pure, even though like you've got that
fiery thing inside of you, like when it comes to
like drugs and alcohol, you really are pure, like just
(02:48):
goes right above her head. That's amazing. I was have
fun with your mom, and then the first time I
met you. The last time I met you, my mom
and you were like and your mom, and I was
there for part of it. I was performing that night
and you were presenting. Right are you hosting I'm trying
to remember. I think I was hosting some award show. Yeah,
But then also we were in the Hollywood Ball together
(03:09):
at my dad show. You came for a hot second.
So much fun. Okay, So that was the time before.
And then the first time I think I met you,
correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you were
one of the first people in my entire career that
was like a famous, like goddess person that I was like,
oh my god, I love them. That was really sweet
to me. And you came to one of my after
parties in like day that I was really excited to
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me because I thought you were so cool, you know,
I was so sweet because I would literally remember being like,
does she she confusing me for someone else? Like, don't remember?
There wasn't very many girls like god when we started.
I know, there really wasn't like if you were different
or like crazy colored hair, or like to drink, or
(03:52):
like anything that that was unusual glitter or anything you
would categorize in the group that was classif. I just
b t Q, which was the best thing that ever
happened to me. That community taught me how to be
a lady, which is the most insane, like backwards way
of going about it, but it did. It's really weird
say that community makes me want to be a better
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person and be just like strong confidence that I wish
and that was a two too choo too true member
of but unfortunately didn't like the badge. So I just
have to be an ally through and through no matter
what till the day I die. But it is like
they taught me the gay community is what picked me up,
(04:36):
doesn't me off, and showed me that I could be
human same saying I don't know everything. I don't know
if I would be on this planet without the gay
community the same thing actually the same like and like,
so I'm like the onnomary honorary member and I'm always
like so I always called Michelle, I'm like Michelle were
Ali could be the number one allies Michelle vssage and so,
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but I have to be a member of this community.
Is the only community has made me for a whole
ever same and like like just okay and then happy
and proud, like God forbid to be myself? How to
wake up and be like I'm killing I'm okay with that. Yeah,
and something that was really hard for me do for
me not talking about myself the third person, please awful,
(05:22):
please do it. I just did. But like it was
one of those things where like we're taught as women,
don't speak up, don't say anything, don't complain. You're lucky
that you're in this industry because you're not the matriarchal type.
You're not. Society standards are beautiful, so shut up, sit
down and do what they say. Yeah, I did so lucky. Yeah,
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you're lucky to be here, So just do You're lucky
to be No one cares, You're just someone's kid, No
one cares. I got told I was at one job
for seven years. They told me that every day you're
just someone's kid. No one cares what you really fucked
up every day they told me that. I was like, okay, okay,
I have a question. You did that. I'm so sorry.
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And at the same time, you're everybody's sucking somebody's kids. Okay,
Well back that the sentence came out wrong. Not everybody's
sucking someone's kids. Everyone everyone is someone's kids. You know,
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everyone is someone's kid, period. Comma and people like that
and ship like that in my life have hurt me
so much, but then also driven me to be like,
I'm gonnam prove to you that I can stand or
like especially I do that with men so badly because
I tell you, I'm going to show you. You said
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this about me, Okay, that's what you think. You just
want to do me and my dad. That's fine. We'll
move on from you and you will remember me forever.
But I don't know who you are. And that's my
favorite part about being in the position where we don't
realize how powerful as women we are. But be proud
of who you are, be proud to embrace who you
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are as a woman. I'm not afraid for anyone to
call me a bit, because if you call me a bit,
that means I'm smart. Oh my god, the same, and
it means I'm setting a boundary. That's what I've learned,
because I'm boundaries are uncomfortable. I never fun to set,
and I have to say, like, out of anything in
my life. Right now, I'm in the most healthy relationship
I've ever been in to where I can we can
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both set boundaries in each other and it's cool. We
have one conversation, we never have it again, and where
in one right now it is like really funny because
I just want to say to him, like, just get
someone to help you, but I can't because he said
that bountary with me, So I'm like, okay, I won't
say anything. And it's all to do with him fixing
his car. I think that he needs to take it
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to a mechanic. He thinks he can fix it himself.
But I realized is that it's an educational progress for
him and process for him, and like a pride process
for him, whereas like I'm just a common sense person
be like, oh just take it to them, care gol
fix it. I know. And I was a mind blown
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over why he was so offended over my my little idea.
But then I was like, no, I get it, like
I totally get it from men. It's different than us.
Sometimes the rational side of things can be emasculating, is
what I've learned over time. If you're not I never
want to emasculate any as somebody who has an opinion
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and a loud mouth, and it is that you and
they're supposing your mentor s You've done is you've emasculated
them because you say true to you and that's not
necessarily true. And you need to pick between the men
who are insecure and who they are and then the
men who you've really taken their power away from these
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two kinds. And I'm very guilty of doing both. And
most times it's just like, actually, you just didn't hear
what I was saying. But also, I'm a full blown
psycho that has conversations with people that I never had,
and I get angry with them. I imagined conversations and
I have arguments with them in my head. Did I
never fucking had. We never had that conversation. He never
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said that to me. I never said what I said
in my head back to him, but I've developed a resentment.
Oh yeah. So then there are times when like what
I said and what I heard were two different things,
and nine times out of ten what I said and
what I heard and never the same. Or the time
I'll get a text, sometimes there's like from the nicest
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person in the role will be like, oh are you okay?
I'll be like, oh, they said like are you okay?
And then my friends will be like or are they
just saying like, hey, are you okay? From you? Why
are they asking if I'm okay? What's supposed to be
wrong with me? I guess I go down no fucking
road every fucking time. It's so bad. It's just like, no,
(10:04):
it's just being nice. Just don'tna be nice? So I
fully hear you. I have dreams and then I'll get
mad at the person who's in my dream dream same.
I did that last night, and then I woke up
all sweaty and angry and frustrated, and I was like,
that never happened. Why am I still angry? Do you
tell them? Because I tell everybody every time? Yeah? Or
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like I'm all about communication in the sense where I
like with my guy, now I hey, I'm having a
really off day. Days of I've seen snappy. It's not you,
it's me do so that you just put it out
there and you don't get because men loved quite crazy.
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Oh yeah. Soon as that see what comes out, You're like, oh,
you're gonna die, you crazy. You call me crazy, and
I'm gonna whip my tampa out and I'm gonna hide
it in your pillow. It's crazy. Now I'm gonna I'm
gonna tie it around your testicles until they can read
anymore and they just pull off, and I'm gonna make it,
gonna have no children. You're gonna be the last person
to ever wolve this planet with your family name. Like
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I go there like you do bad, terrible, And then
I get texts for my dad being like are you okay? Totals,
I'm like, no, I'm not seeing I'd be like, are
you okay? I'm great, You're crazy, I'm just deranged. M okay.
Are you one of those people that get that period
in the full moon? Because I am yea every full mood,
(11:31):
no Mattha, And like the day before i feel like
I'm literally gonna cry and murder and I'm like, why
is this and every time, like clockwork, I'm like, oh,
I forgot I'm a woman and get my period once,
which men will never understand. And I can't be mad
at them for that, but I am, no, you can't
because they don't get it. They'll never get it. And
that's the one thing that I've really read. Well, there
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are things that I'm that I'm realized that like men
get mad at us about two because, like I said,
we overthink everything and we put like a lot of
the time men are really asking for a really simple
things and we go straight into they hate us, they
don't want to be with us, fuck them, true, And
that is like I'm really learning not to do that,
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not do the putting words into someone else's mouth that
they didn't put there. Yeah, like assuming assumptions are killers.
How's your mom and your brother and everybody through all this,
everyone's really good. It's so strange. Half of us got it?
Half of us did? Did you get it? So my no,
I didn't. My mom and my sister got it, but
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my brother, myself and my dad didn't. And my brother's
kids got it, but he didn't. So there are these
rumors about certain people being immune to it or and
I started to believe, like, maybe this virus is way
more complicated than people ever thought, because I literally was
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bathing my mom, feeding my mom. I didn't care if
I got it. I just couldn't leave her be by
herself so sick. And she was so sick that she
was even hallucinating. At one point she thought I was
her mom, and I even look like your mom. I
don't even know what your mom looks like, Like that's weird.
And then she ended up having to build a hospital
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for one day and then came out and she was fine.
But it was like a very fast education because one
thing I learned was like, when you look at something,
you can be like, oh, you've got canclitists, you've got
the flu. We've had enough illnesses in our lives, throughout
our whole life to where you could be like, oh,
this is something, but it's a whole new look the
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COVID is. I was like, I've never seen anyone this
kind of sick, So it was a whole new way
of kind of treating it as well. I'm just grateful
my dad didn't get it and everybody's healthy and we're
moving on. Thank God. I'm so happy to hear that
I'm sorry your mom went to the hospital. It sounds
like she's out of it now. She's fine. Like every
time might have anything, I'm like COVID, COVID uh, like headache, COVID.
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Like I'm like, I have it, and I cancel everything,
so like it's my time. I'm gonna get it now.
I'm not going to see anyone for two weeks and
that I never have it. I'm okay. I've been one
of those crazy people that's like, how do we not
know that COVID nineteen isn't? Okay? Okay? I have a question? Sorry,
you know so Alice Cooper was on this podcast, right
(14:28):
and he was the one that said, how do we
know COVID an alien? And I laughed, And since then
I thought about and I was like, wait, but how
do we know? This whole time, I've been absolutely convinced
because they said the only thing that would survive certain
things within um radiation and the way that the atmosphere
works and all the different layers that to get through
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the to the Earth from the Sun would be bacteria.
So how do we know that it's not we're the
new hosts. Oh my god, it's just like I've been
like I have kept myself up for hours researching stuff
like this and even took me back to like how
like Egyptian people were actually people from Mars that came
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to Earth when Mars do Logo was a planet. And
I have this whole conspiracy theory that an Aoki spread
their DNA with the humans and that's how we became
what we are today and why we need less oxygen
and we're smaller and all of those those things. But
like when you look at the technology around and what
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created the Pyramids and how that even was something that
even came to fruition, and their understanding of basic humanology
and geology I don't even know the right words to use,
was far advanced from they were capable of even understanding.
So it's like all these theories and I go down
these loopholes and I'm like, the government knows about the aliens,
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anything is telling us. Do you know why? My theory
is that no one's telling us about the aliens, even
though by the way, there's been stories about it on
like New York Times to like the Daily Mail, to like, oh,
it's my dad's nobody to say, I've got to get
my dad to come on your show because old dad
boggies alien shows. Now, well why I love that and
bring Dad. But like, I want to go because I've
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seen spaceships in the sky, but I've never had like
really to us. Okay, yeah, but I was talking to
Demi Lavado and she was saying that, like drough meditation,
you can basically summon them to come and interact with them.
I don't know how I much I believe that. I
think it's just I'm down to track what your mind is.
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I know i'd be down to try to, but it's
it's more of the fact of what Once you're open
to something, you can see it for what it is.
When you're closed off, you'll never everything will always be
like oh no, that's it. You'll find it. You'll find
a rational explanation for absolutely everything. But the mind will
also rationalize insanity as well. So it's like that that
medium ground. So once you've accepted that that you believe
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that stuff was like that, then you just thought, see,
like it's just there. You didn't realize how much it
was in your face before. But when you realize that
if the world really knew that this was going on,
it would create hysteria, and that's something that that world
does not know how to deal with. Okay, you said
that much more eloquently than I was going to say.
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But basically, what I was kind of thinking is if
you have an open heartedness and just like an openness
to the universe, and like whatever is there will reveal itself.
That kind of attitude, I feel like you'll start getting
more and more signs or more things and whether it's
angels or ghosts or demon whatever you want to call,
it's just And I believe everyone has a goden angel.
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I believe that everybody is capable of tapping into that
other dimension, whatever it may be, and some people are lucky.
I I am an EmPATH. I'm one of those people
that if you hugged me or if you touch me,
I could feel what you feel. And it's horrible sometimes,
like when you're just like you carry around everyone's like
anxiety and sorrow and sadness. But then it's great when
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you meet someone who's exciting and that's they become the
people that are infectious to you because you want to
feel that instead of feeling sad and it. So that
was something that when I did this ghost show with
my brother. I never realized I was that good at
Oh my God, which for people listening, you did a
ghost show. Um, what was it called The Osborne's Nights
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of Terror a Heritage Square and yeah, Heritage Square Museum.
And we went to Heritage Square Museum here in l A.
And just so everybody understands what that is is that
they took the oldest buildings in California and picked them up,
put them on the back of trucks, and moved them
to one location. So you have houses that were the
very first houses ever built in the state of California. Okay,
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So it just passed downtown l A past Dodger Stadium
and I would love to go to so much. Let's go.
And what I love about it is that you can
They have the best gift shop too, with all old
stuff and different things. But they collect different Like if
you were going to redo your house and have like
old light posts, they have like three thousand light posts
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from a certain yeah or whatever it may be. That's
a heritage classic for the state of California. So there's
certain things that if you're looking for, like architecturally, that
are really cool there too. But I went with my
brother and he brought out the rampart that I at
first was like, what the fund is this BP thing?
That's so stupid that want to do this? And he's like, no,
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just do it. And for some reason, when I first
got there, I had a connection to this one house
and I got them, I was like, I'm most comfortable
in that house. I want to stay in that house.
And they were like why and I'm like, I don't
know the greenhouse. I'm like, They're like, it's the Hale
House and I was like the Hale House and they're like, yeah,
Bessie Hale. And they gave us a bit of information
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on her about her husban then than her and how
they I think it was. They it was very well
to do. He ended up cheating on her, he stole
her diamonds, but because he had an alcohol problem, she
ended up winning the house in the divorce, which was
unheard of back then, and then she took everything and
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turned it into a brothel so that she could keep it.
And she was just like this badass woman. It did
what she had to do to survive. And her house
is incredible, and they filmed a little stuff there. They
even filmed I think some of American horror story and
that how cool. And I got there and I was like,
there's something gad about this house. They were like, we
want you to go in there. As we went in
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there and we put the rampart on and I started
to be able to communicate, which was something I've never
done before, and I was rampart. What's a rampart? Okay,
So it's a beeping machine, So I don't even A
man invented it so that he could communicate with his
daughter who passed onto the other side. And what it
does is that it taps into other frequencies that you
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that the human ear can't hear and and it will
be think but like they say that the seventh dimension can.
And basically you ask it yes or no questions, So yes,
it beats if it if it's a no, it doesn't
do anything. And so everything is just a yes or
no question. And there is nothing that you can do
(21:26):
to make it beat unless you're something like a police
radio or um a walkie talkie or something. So when
we went into this, we made sure that all the
camera equipment that could have anything to do with interfering
with the frequency was off. Just like we had steady cams.
We had um no walkie talkies, no communications, no cell phones,
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no anything in the room. So I would So when
I started to ask questions and they started to respond,
I was like, freaked out, did you know responding? Not
at first, no, but I had a feeling it was feminine,
and I had a feeling they one happy about us
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being there, but there was something they wanted us to know.
So I just started asking questions and everyone started freaking out.
And because of my ignorance to the paran or More
world and to the investigation of it, I I didn't
realize what was really happening. I thought this was something
that I guess if he did this, this is what
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happened when you go ghost hunting. This is what happened.
And I was sat there with my brother and he's
freaking out, and then the crew is freaking out. A
couple of the crew guys ran out of the room,
wouldn't stay in them, didn't And I was like, what
is going on? Why is everyone so freaked out? And
(22:53):
then they were like, you don't understand. This is the
most communication we have ever got from any sort of
of paranormal investigation we have ever done, and I've only
worked in this realm for the last ten years. So
I was like, Okay, this is weird. This is weird.
So I will tell you that I've been back to
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that house since a few times, communicated with Bessie. Right,
Bessie was the so even got so much as like
they did this other form of like um videography. I
guess where it shows like the outlines of I'm not
quite sure how this piece of yeah and for this
(23:35):
piece of technology even works. All I know is that
we went from being like they told me to put
my hand out and then I felt like this like
pressure on my hand, like hot pressure. And as it
was happening, my hand went down and you can see
someone touching my hand through this special camera. And I
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just remember thinking like this is really strange and everybody's
really scared. But for some reason, I was really calm,
like abnormally calm, like wanted to take a nap. I
was so tired, calm, Oh my god. But when I
left there, I freaked out, like did it just like
catch up with you or something cool up with me?
I freaked out. I went insane at my brother. I
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told him, he was a liar. I didn't talk to
him for two weeks. I thought that he had like
you or something. Yeah, he was just working with me.
It turned out I couldn't have been more wrong, and
he wasn't working with me, and I was just like
still blown away. Like I watched it back now and
I'm like, Piano, I wouldn't believe that if I watched
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that either, Oh, I have it. I believed it, but
I was like, in my mind, I also was putting
myself in your shoes, and I was like I would
wonder if someone was working with me too. The whole time,
I was like, no, you're working with me. And Elane,
who was like the director of the whole thing, she
was pregnant at the time, and I was like I
can't read scream at Lane because she's pregnant and like all.
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But it's like really not called to funk with people,
and like Elaine has come to me and she's like, Kelly,
I didn't do anything. I swear to god, I didn't
do anything. I believe, and like you get to this
point where you're like what happened? So after that, they'd
come to us and they were like, do you want
to do another one. They were like, we've never had
this kind of activity, whether it the Ghost Adventures, the Brothers, Jack,
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no matter what, will you do another one with us?
And I said, I'll do it if we can do
it with the brothers. And then so we're donna do
it again, and so there's an extra slot because we're
gonna do Aliens, Bigfoot and ghosts. Do you want to come?
I'm I'm I'm all of them. I am are cooking
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right now to all of them. Oh my god, yes,
we have so much fun. I'm like yeah. So like
I'm really excited about it. And we started a about
four weeks. I think now I'm like, okay, so now
are they going to work with me? Because they didn't
last time? And I was such a stink about it,
like such a stink there were I was like, you're lying.
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I'm not coming back. I don't want to talk to you,
like so much so that I The last scene of
that show was us sitting outside and the reason we
were sitting outside was because I got somewhere up but
Jack I went away out of town. Oh my god.
I was upset with him because he lied to me
and then came back and couldn't be in the same
place as my parents because we were still on the COVID,
(26:31):
so we had to shoot it outside. Oh but this
was it wasn't like a small thing. Like we had
a huge fight over it. Like I did not believe
that it was real until I made them like break
it down for me and show me that there was
like nothing that could have made it happen. And then
nothing covered door opening inside one of the houses when
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we Jack and I were both stood there and we
were both like, hey, no, I'm gonna made that happen.
Even though I just like watching that though I was like,
could this be really real? And like you telling me this,
Like I fully believe that this stuff is real, And
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much like the alien stuff that's going on, I'm like,
why does nobody care? Like everyone's talking about what color
hair whoever's hair is, but like there's aliens and people care,
but like it's I feel like it's awesome. Then the
guy from Blake two and then everyone else is like
too big on like the political um, I would say,
stories that are conspiracy theory, yeah, fair, I mean that's
(27:37):
I mean, like good free is what most people. Oh
my god, stock on it, I'm going to stay with
aliens and because that's too much well, and I like,
I've seen spaceships and I've seen a ghost, so I'm
just gonna live there. Because it also feels really magical
and it feels like that feeling like, oh my god,
can this be real? Almost like when you fall madly,
madly in love and you're like, can this be real?
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I love that feeling. But it's also this this whole
feeling of it's okay not to know something, and it's
opening your mind to what is what else is out there?
And that is like everybody has this whole thing that
you have to be the smartest, the prettiest, the funniest,
the best, but you can't be that if there's something
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else that you don't understand. Yeah, it's also the minute
things per pumm into not understanding is the minute people
start to be like, oh, I'm not gonna like this now.
And for me, it's like, okay, if there's somebody's gonna
take me away from this miserable planet and it can
take me to a nice one. I have a spaceship
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if you want to hear, because it's like I'm waiting
for my spaceship. Come get me. I'm ready. Let's go,
and my mom take me the fok away. Now, I
wrote that with my mom, who is also she believes
because you were talking about that, I forget what they're
called an anookie, people like the tall alien. Okay, so
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my mom, is it whole? Okay, if you really want
to go into it, Yes, there is a There is
a whole thing about the Anna Nookie being part of Alison.
I know Alison wants that the Wizard of Oz and
the Wizard of Oz is a real story. That's actually
the story of the Ana Niki. Okay, well, hold on,
you write that down. So it's like I've gone deep
into this ship. Wait, I'm so excited to I'm gonna
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get your phone number and ask you so many things.
I'm deep, well because I know there are aliens, and
I think, well, my mom thinks that she fully is
partially an alien, which you met her, she might be canny.
I love it like this is my ship, this is
my dad. But so that would make me like at
least a fourth alien. So if I'm one fourth alien,
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then and I feel kind of like an alien, Like
I just don't feel normal. I've never felt like I
fit in anywhere. I've never felt like comfortable anywhere, except
for with other artists that believe in aliens against a
and animals like animals. Oh who's that? Who's that? Oh
(30:07):
my god? Oh my good? But wait, what's her name? Police? Irene?
My name drafted the finger backs raspect. Oh my god, police,
and you're so cute. Oh my god, please bring Polly
over to my house. I love her. We are addicted
(30:29):
to each other, though it is very hard for us
to be a pot everything together. But the one who
I'm even more thicted to is the one I rescued
during COVID. I mean, do you have I have too?
Oh my god, you can bring every over to my house.
I have four cats, so like that will be interesting.
But okay, so oh it's best friend as a cat,
(30:51):
a cat to place with my cat. Mem Yeah, I
didn't tell me because it's originally you know's so funny
and she got little time. I didn't know that you
could get cats with short legs, and when I got
into and I didn't know, okay, let me go see
(31:11):
like the finder on a second, I'm like, where you
can't just talk about the tiny legs white where's okay.
So first of all, oh my god, look at this cat.
Oh my god, Oh my god, that's the most beautiful.
She's so gorgeous. I didn't know what Munchkin was or
(31:35):
anything that those guys look over here, look at those eyes.
Oh my goodness. And she seems to me every night
without she sleeps in my head and sleeps on my chest,
and then Polly sleeps on my knees. So I sleep
like I'm in a coffin. Oh night long, which is
perfect because I grew up. So yeah, yeah, I I
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told until my dad stopped touring, because here, he's just
traditions my whole life. I've never not been on one
of my dad's tours, every single tour since I had
been on, and it was like, so all the animals
come with us, and my dad likes it when I
come because his dog is really not good at traveling
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and gets a really bad stomach, so he doesn't travel
with my dad. It's too stressful for him. So when
I come and bring my dogs and my dad loves it. So,
oh my god, I love that he's such an animal man.
Right now, he just rescued another dog, and it he
does is just sit with me. He probably has about
fourteen of them right now. My mom rescues dogs. She
is eleven, but then one passed away. But she's getting enough.
(32:40):
She's starting a dog rescue for like, oh my god.
They're doing the same thing, like all the rescue animals.
But they're like, we want to buy land, and not
just the dogs. They want to bring in like every
kind of wounded animal that they can find. And I'm like, okay,
so now they're going to have the oldborn family zoom.
Oh my god, I'm moving in with you, just letting
you know. I'm like coming one of the tigers from
(33:03):
a tiger king. That would be great. We could rescue fantasy.
Oh fuck, yes, they do all these animals. I have
a question. Did you get approached by them when you
went to Vegas for them to come to your hotel room?
I did, and I said no. And it's one of
the best decisions I think I made in because you
(33:23):
don't know that was at the moment I don't like,
doers are amazing? Of course I want to because you're
you're you're like, oh big, because you think baby tiger
like the baby. And then I I actually asked the question.
I was like, well, where did they come from? Isn't
that like a legal and where how does that even happen?
And then it turns out that it was like a
whole big lug and thank god I didn't do it,
(33:46):
and the person who was with me ended up on
the documentary. Fucking hell, Oh my god, one of the
best decisions you ever made. Because it's also especially because
I'm such an advocate for animals, I had no idea
how they even did any of that. And when you
learn about how many tigers are in the wild versus
in captivity and specifically in America, it's crazy. So that's
(34:08):
actually what Tiger's captain captivity in America that you do
in the world. Okay, this is crazy that we're talking
about this because my long term goal plan of life
is to write songs and like be as much like
Dolly Parton as possible and have a huge sense Dollywood
the sanctuary. Yes, okay, and then like, oh my god,
(34:29):
did you imagine um would be would or l or
town or sounds kind of like a boner, which I like,
you know, I meant to that. I think it tends too.
You're like cash, you would dumped up with me or
all night. Have you ever been to Dollywood? I have
(34:54):
driven past only Wood, but it was closed the day
that we were meant to be going. Oh my god,
I was really upset about it, but I did get
because it's close to is it? Am I correct in thinking?
That is very close to where Elvis President lived. It's
like Tennessee because I'm from so I meeting very much.
I remember we were going to do this whole thing
(35:15):
where we went to Alvis President's house. Dolly would one
stop in one day and Elvis Place was open, but
Dollywood was closed and we didn't get to do it.
So that's okay next time. If you look at how
many unread text messages, emails, all of it. If you
want to see me, I'm a face to face person,
you've got to do it that way too, the same
I'm I have at least eight thousand emails on read.
(35:36):
Oh my god, I think I might be the only
person to ever beat you on this. Okay, wait, please
let's check and see how many emails? Are you ready?
Are you ready for this? Yeah? Nine? Wait, mine's actually
eighteen thousand thousand. I think how many unread text messages
(35:59):
I've three. Are you in there? I only have forty
text I'm like you, get hold of me, that bad
fucking pick up the goddamn phone. Tell me okay, good
to know. I'm going to call you what I want
to talk to you, and definitely fucking don't email me.
Just disclaimer to the world. Don't email me. It's a
(36:20):
waste of I am not of that generation. It's all
about email. Technology and nature. Are they opposites? Or is
technology the human evolution of like right? Or is that just?
Is this us evolving? Is technology making everything so easy
(36:40):
though that it takes us so far out of our
actual animal nus? So then when we talk, I agree
with you on that. I think that infant gratification has
destroyed the mind and love and connection and human connection
and just appreciation and depression like I love smelling. I
think that, my God. I think that there's also a
(37:04):
part of human evolution as well. Technology is unfortunately, I
think it's technologies, and I think the emotions are going
out of the window, and human understanding in the way
that we were compassionate and loving is being replaced. And
that's why so many people are being born with these
new forms of autism. To where it doesn't allow people
(37:25):
to have the emotions and the feelings that the humans
are actually becoming robotic in the sense that it's it's
all part of human evolution. It's one and the same.
I think so too. And it's when I when I
meet so many of my friends who who are like
I have Asperger's, I have this kind of autism, that
kind of autism, and it's the kind that doesn't allow
(37:47):
them to connect emotionally with another human being and to
see the struggles that they go through every single day.
I can't help it. And and and have them say themselves,
I'm not speaking on behalf of them. I'm using their words,
not mine, that they feel robotic, you can't help But
like I've had this conversation with them many times, and
(38:08):
it's I didn't have that idea on my own put
it that way. It was something that I've often thought
about that maybe that this human socialization, if you need
another human being to survive, like the fastest way to
deplete a human of their senses is to stick them
alone in the room by themselves with nothing, and they'll
(38:29):
go sit insane purely like space, you have to procreate
with another person at least as right now in some way,
like you can get a sperm donor, but like at
some point you need another human being to help create life. Right.
But something about technology feels like there's so many good
(38:52):
sides to it, but then there's so many really really
dark sides to it that it it scares me. I
think that everyone keeps talking about how we're going to
have World War three, Well will this, Well, it'll be
a war against technology versus humanity and creating exactly. I mean,
human beings created all the bad things that go on,
and mis No, what are we doing? We like the worst,
(39:17):
We're gonna destroy the planet that we built. But I know,
I think that's also a really weird thing where you're
like if we're and when you talk about it to anybody,
they're like, it's not real, you're just green peace, You're
just this. I'm like, Okay, wasn't it what was The
governor of Texas said, I'll believe it when Texas, when
(39:38):
Texas freezes over? Oh my god, what happened? Is it? Okay?
But it didn't, Ted Cruiz. Isn't that what he said?
I believe when Texas freezes over? Him getting on a
plane to go to to Mexico during like one of
the biggest like fucking health right his state has ever seen?
Oh and blaming his daughter. That was my favorite companiments. Yeah,
(40:00):
should be a normal spring break. Well we all need
a normal spring break, so let's not destroy the planet.
How about that part. It's weird because I think about
like this is not cute. But if we said that, like,
oh we need the spring break, cancel culture. We know
Ted Cris should be canceled. I don't know how he's
(40:22):
not canceled. But I think people is like lice and
the world is our head. So if your lice on
a head, you need that head to be a piece
of lice on that's a disgusting comparison. But like you
don't have the hair, then how are yeah, you ruin
(40:42):
the hair you're saying. I totally get. We can say
there's probably a cuter way to say it, but like
purely from just like we're trash a little light people.
We are like but like fuck the hair. And it's like, no,
one okay that you're not a hillbilly like some other
people like me. No, No, actually I think that I
(41:04):
think I am a hill billy because you only get
lisn of clean hair, is what I've been told. Oh
so I don't know what that says about me. I
think that's what people would say to make you feel
better if you have lives, because I'm pretty My mom
poured gasoline on my brother's head when he had lice
and he started hallucinating and I think he almost died,
but it killed the lice. Disclaimer, don't do this to
(41:29):
your children. People you know and live in l a
where they have like what is it? They call it
the nitness that comes around to everybody's house, that comes
in my coat, your kid's hair, gets rid of everything?
That was not the case in no I read none
about this. Now that my brother has kids and somebody
(41:51):
in his school got it. Have been somebody like what
are the neighbors of something? And then this number went
out for like the liceness and my brothers what easting
and it's funny hugs each other get the buts a
weird job, right, like I get rid of like I
go around in my truck collect to life yummy by
(42:13):
you know what I'm saying, get rid of that for
you know, like how do you not get it? Which part?
Oh the life oh yeah, that party you poor gasolene
on your head. I don't ask my mom. But wait,
like one question I really wanted to ask you before
(42:33):
I run. Okay, okay, okay, so you well there's two questions.
So just tell me when you have to go and
whatever um you wear, don't I've got five Okay if
you wear ptagram every day, but I don't have it
on right now? Should we not talk about it? Well?
I just think that pantagrams are now. I love pentagrams,
and I did a video with a pentagram in it,
(42:54):
and half the people on the video set thought I
was a double worshburn left. Okay, I am so angry
right now about this. It makes me really upset. I
am so in the last excess court with this. People
do not understand what a pentagram is. If you believe
in air, if you believe in fire, if you believe
in water, if you believe in spirit, if you like
(43:16):
the fucking Power Rangers, you believe in what the pentagram preach.
Thank you like it's it's the pagan pentagram. It is natural,
It is the element. It is not anything else. It
is not it is There is a different pentagram as
a Satanan Pentagram. I have nothing to do with that.
(43:37):
That's not my world. I will never be a part
of that. But I don't I do not believe in
black magic. I do not believe in wishing ill on anybody.
I believe in the power of three. Whatever you do
comes back to threefold times three times three, and that
is what it always should be. And the way that
you always put yourself out there is and that's always
(43:59):
one of the things that we go in the power
and witchcraft and all of that kind of stuff is
the power free. Whatever you do, your intention is what
sets you forward. It's um you know, you intend for
good for people, and that will come back to you
three times three times three. If you intend for bad
for someone, it'll come back to man. I love that.
(44:21):
I didn't know the three every single time. So three
times three, so there's three is a very important to me.
I think so too. And like during COVID, I was
thirty three, and I was so stoked on being thirty
three because it's like my lucky year. And I've decided
now that COVID happened, I'm just gonna it's like daylight
savings time. I'm taking thirty three back, I am thirty four,
(44:43):
but now I'm just gonna say I'm thirty three. For me,
three was the year of acceptance. Is when I was like,
I want to be a woman. I don't want to
be a little girl anymore. Oh my god, it's so
imp That's when I I switched everything up and started
to take accountability and to put everything where I thought
(45:04):
it should go. Yeah, I love that. I'm taking take
it back and we do it living again because it's
a very powerful year, and it's where like I feel like,
as women we come into our own I do too.
I feel so much bossier and just everything. I think.
(45:25):
I like to let go of trying to control everything
because it's so intense right when you're in this industry.
There's so much ship going on. You feel like if
you say no to one thing, you're gonna lose everything,
or if you say yes to one wrong thing, then
your reputations, and then it's like also exactly, it's like
you can't win, and but like fucking not know is
a full sentence. Yes, ah, yes, no you can't lose it. No,
(45:52):
it is a full sentence, And no, you can't lose.
You just put your birst foot forward and and just
keep trying and know that it's all about intention. If
you intend to be good, and you intend to be
a better person, and you strive to make every day
be a learning lesson rather than the other way around,
(46:15):
and you trying to teach the world something, I think
that you leave yourself open to much more happy existence.
Oh my god, I love all of that. Right before
you go, I need to just know about when you
met a voodoo priestess. Oh, you want to know about
Sally and Glassman. She's the best. Okay, So the very
(46:36):
first time I ever met her was at John River's funeral.
She was sat in front of me, and she's just
somebody's face that I remembered and because it was like
one of those really weird moments that it was so
surreal and kind of like how am I even here
right now? And you kind of remember things in pictures,
(46:57):
and I just had this picture of this woman's face
in my head for years. And I walked into a
voodoo temple in uh New Orleans and with my friend
Kelly Cotrone, who's my best friend. I love her. She's
the best. You will love her. Um such a witch.
She she took me to see her for a reading
(47:17):
and she looked me, she goes, do you remember me?
And I went, oh, my god, I do remember. And
it was because she was I didn't know this. I
had heard about her from Joan, but every time Joan
got a knew how she would come over and cleanse
Jones's house every time there was anything like she always
gave Joan readings and all this kind of stuff, and
she gave me reading and it was just like this
(47:39):
weird crazy like how is this happening? And um there
was like all of these weird things that happened to me.
After I went to go see her, I went to
my friend's house afterwards and I put out my hand
in a fireball, shout out my hand and yeah, weird
ship like that, Like I would wake up and all
(48:01):
my jewelry on my bedside table would be squished into
a bowl, Like why is this happening? Like I don't understand.
And I ended up talking to um Sally about it,
and she said that I ended up getting an attachment
and she believed that it was Papa Legba And what
I had to do was leave out a cigar and
(48:21):
a Gasso champagne, which was my bed and Papa Legba,
who is the kind of angel of death, so he's
like the gatekeeper for the world of death like and
so I would wake up and my jewelry would be
squished and things that would be moved around and I couldn't.
(48:41):
It was really still unlike, Who's doing this? And I
was blaming people. I was firing people. I was um
removing people from my inner circle because I thought that
somebody was messing with me and it wasn't. And long
story short, um I ended up having through reading with
her over the phone. I left out a cigar and
a glass of champagne, did the rich what she told
(49:02):
me to do, and then it never happened again. Oh
my god. And it kind of it scared me. But like,
voodoo to me is one of the most interesting I'm
just about. I do believe it's magic. I think that
it's in Voodoo is as important as any religion. Oh
(49:27):
fully agreed. I think any religion. It's just that because
it got brought to this country by slavery, people look
at it differently and they think that it's not as say,
um legit as let's say Jesus Christ. Well, I think
part of the people who have carried these stories for
(49:48):
years and years and generations and generations. This is their
version of that and it's got nothing to do with magic.
And when when you go back and just a good personal,
bad person. Yeah, because I love reading religious texts just
out of curiosity and it's all supernatural. Really if you
look at it, like, did you ever read the book
(50:08):
Sex and God? No? Is it good? So okay? So
you if you read this book, it will change the
way that you view the Bible and religion in general.
Because back then when you said things like went with
Jesus went with you would just see the words went
with and they just went somewhere, like they walked from
this room to the other room. But to say you
(50:29):
went with somebody was that you slept with them. Oh.
So when you break down the text and the verbage,
it means something so different and the words are so
different and the story has become different. And I will
find this book for you. I think Joan was the
one who gave me this book the first time, and
its like you was gave me funny books. She gave
(50:51):
me one on Charles Manson. We were just talking about
so fascinated with learning about why things in the home
will old. I want to know, you need to daughter, Um,
Like I very well versed on all of that if
(51:13):
you want to know any information on it, because I've
my dad met him a few times and this was
when he was all with the obsessed with the beach
Boys and staying at the house on sunset and like
all this crazy stuff. And um, So Sharon Tates sister Debritate,
she's still alive, and I've had dinner with her a
(51:34):
few times and spoken with her about a lot of
the she'd be somebody very interesting for your talking on
your podcast, Like she's awesome, that's a good idea, just
hearing what what she went through and like could what
she still continues to go through as a result of
these people obsessed with cult culture is insane? Well it's
how wildly it's not real? Well, it's not real, And
(51:58):
what's the difference between Like I wanted to study comparative
religion at Columbia, but then I started singing, and that happened.
So when I went there, I would study like Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, Catholicism.
But then I also on the podcast have talked to
the leader of the Satanic Temple. It's not Satanic at
all and a UFO religion exactly, and people don't realize
(52:19):
that Satan or it's Jesus or whoever it is. Like,
I think most of the religious texts are all trying
to say more or less the same thing. And we
need to stop killing each other about it. And I
think you're personal person, bigger person, be nice, have good intentions,
say you're sorry if you funk up, and like the end,
(52:40):
we don't have to fight about it. I feel like
that there's no more, there's no lads. Yeah, just like
I also feel like spirituality or religion or whatever your
connection is or is not, it's so personal. It's kind
of like persecuting someone over like their sexuality. Like it
makes no sense to me. It's a personal thing. None, none,
Like it's a personal thing, it's a person. I will
(53:02):
only be upset with you for what you've personally done
to me. If you have done something I don't agree with,
I will try and gently guide you in the right direction.
If you don't take that information, that's on you, not me. Yeah,
it's almost like non consensual sex. It's like, well, just
don't like non consensual religious pushing. It's like it's a
personal It's a personal relationship you have with yourself and
(53:25):
fully understand whoever is Like it's personal. So let people
have their personal relationships that is consensual with what and
whom they would like, and stop killing each other about it.
That's my personal thoughts. I agree. Okay, before you guys
there anything you want to like plug or unabashed that
(53:48):
I got to pull the plug is that May the
force be with you on May fourth, because that's when
my podcast comes out with me and my fun group
of friends and Jeff Beacher that we have been working
on together. It's just like the whole group of Beaches
Madhouse back again and all having open discussions because we
all have such different perspectives, whether it's the trans perspective,
(54:10):
the little person perspective is so important that everyone's voice
is a hood and that people have a good time
right now? Do you know what I'm saying? Like that
I can listen to a conversation that necessarily isn't as
serious as everything that we're turning on our TVs and
being a face with every single day. And it's a
bit of escapism. And our motto is what you call freaks,
(54:31):
we call family. So everyone I love that, and escapism
like seems dismissive, but to me, it's so important. It's
the most important thing. I need it so badly and
I think it's really special people unabashedly to make these
escapist things where you can just get lost in a
joyous or informative or whatever kind of conversation. So I
definitely be listening to it. What is it called. It's
(54:54):
it's called Kellios on a jet Beaches show. Oh my god,
thank you so much for being here, do it. I
love you so much, love you, thank you so much,
So good to you. Give your family my love please,
I love you. I love you too. Thank you so
much for listening to me and the gorgeous, magical, witchy, fabulous,
(55:15):
iconic Kelly Osborne. Keep on creeping on creeps, See you
next Creek
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