Harnessing Bad Bitch Power with Hoodwitch

Kesha talks to Bri Luna, better known as the Hoodwitch about what it means to be a witch in the modern age and how to harness your bad bitch power. The Hoodwitch explains that modern witches are not old haggard woman but rather are wild, rebellious, spiritual, powerful, and inspired.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And then there are sometimes when you feel the energy
where you're like, I'm getting the funk out of here. Yeah.
But like for me with that old lady and the photo,
it changed my life because I really like started thinking
to myself. I was like, Okay, if we can see
her in this photo, what if she was living in
a completely different time period than us, And what if

(00:21):
she looked in the mirror and was like, oh, I'm
seeing three blunt girls. Welcome to Kesha and the Creepys.

(00:45):
Today we are welcoming very special guest, Bree Luna the Hoodwich.
Thank you so much for being here, Thank you for
coming out, Thank you so much for having me. I'm
so excited. I'm really excited to talk to you because
there's so many things. I was checking out. Your amazing
nail aren't which mine are so tragic that I painted

(01:07):
them this morning because I was like, I can't show
up with these nails, They're just like too sad. And
I was reading about witchcraft and I've been really interested
in witchcraft since I was a little kid, and I
just wanted from your perspective, what makes you a witch?
Because I feel in my heart like I'm a witch,

(01:28):
but I don't know if I'm doing the necessary steps
to be a witch. Well, I think that, um, you know,
just culturally, when we think of the word which and
we think of what that looks like, I think that
there are so many common misconceptions of witchcraft in general,
and like what a witch is and what a witch
isn't so first and foremost, growing up, I have two

(01:53):
grandmothers where I gained most of my spiritual practice from. Um,
you have hereditary, which is you have people who are
just solitary practitioners. So I think that just in general,
the word which you know obviously um it's it can
be like this big umbrella because the witch has always

(02:13):
existed in every continent, every country, Uh you know what
I mean. So generally, most people's perception of a which
is like an old haggard woman with like a big
nose with the ward on it. And it's like, I
don't look like that. Neither do my grandmother's neither do
anyone you know that I know that practices. But I

(02:33):
think that just overall, as an umbrella, um, the which
has always existed in this archetype of just like this wild,
fierce woman in rebellious woman, this rebellious energy um has
always existed. So to be a witch and to claim
that for yourself that can be in magical practice, or

(02:54):
you know, it could be just about just energetically like
how you feel. And I think that that alien has
always just innately been with a lot of us. You know,
when I hear the word which I feel empowered and
I feel dangerous, but in the best way. Like, what

(03:14):
do you do when people are like flippant or disrespectful
about it? How do you deal with that? I'm generally,
I feel like in my own practice and just who
I am as a person, it's not really my job
to convince anyone of you know, magic and witchcraft or
any of those things. So people are going to have
their own ideas of what a witch is and what

(03:37):
a which isn't. And that's even something that's within our
own community where you know, there's certain people who practice differently.
And I'm like, you know, when you think about it
as a historical and just a cultural context, you know,
there's all types of magic throughout the world. So someone
like my grandmother wouldn't say like, oh, hey, I'm a witch,

(03:58):
you know what I mean, like's not flagrant about you know,
her practice. And I think that for a lot of
people of color, black people especially um, you know, our
beliefs in our ways, our spiritual practices in our ways
were taken away from us. And so I think that
there's a huge resurgence right now of a lot of

(04:19):
women of color, especially like black and brown women, reclaiming uh,
magical parts of themselves, parts of our ancestry, and reconnecting
back into our power and what that means. Can you
tell me about your grandmother? Yes, So I have two grandmothers.
One is from New Orleans and she also moved to Texas.

(04:42):
She practiced who do um. And then I have a
Mexican grandmother who practiced anthia. So that's a whole different
you know, spiritual practice, tradition. Um. So both of these
things are like in my bloodline, within my own lineage.
And it was interesting because for me growing up as
a little girl, you know, when you're interested in like

(05:05):
witchcraft and like, you know, magical things. I've always been
like a very psychically sensitive person, even as a child.
So I when I heard the word which I didn't
think of like my grandmother's you know what I mean.
I always thought I was like the pickle. No, like
the scary wizard, you know, a wizard of Oz. I'm like, well,
my grandma don't look like that. But as I got older,

(05:26):
you know, and you learn about like um, just like
working with spirit and working with candle magic and going
to the book like things like that, then you're kind
of like, oh, well, my grandma you know, like she
does this or you know, this doesn't seem like an
alignment with a lot of you know, Catholic or Christian

(05:46):
type of things, Like I want like what are they
up to? So to me, I was just like, you know,
it sparked that curiosity where you knew that there were
like slightly like there was some things that were just
like a little bit different than what would be the
norm of most like Christian or like you know Catholic
people's households. So um with them, you know, their practices

(06:10):
obviously were still very hush hush. It was very quiet.
It wasn't something that you outwardly just talked about. There
were just things that you did, you know what I mean.
For me, I wasn't learning these practices from my grandmother's
from books or the internet and stuff like that. Um,
but like I was saying, like just being like a

(06:30):
very psychically sensitive child. When I became maybe in like
fifth grade, you know, when you're like a younger girl,
like that adolescent age, I really was like super into
like the paranormal, and I love like learning about like
the occult and like goes for me, like with the
stuff that I found, because we didn't really have like

(06:53):
I don't know, like it wasn't such, it wasn't as accessible, um,
so you would have to go to like a library
or like a book store. So I would go to
like every book store that I could go to and
like go to the New age section and like look
up occult, you know, like Wicca, and and I'm like,
but this doesn't really you know, like looking into like Wicca,
It's like that didn't really speak to me because I'm

(07:16):
not like European, you know what I mean. So it
was like they're all like very eurocentric um practices. Not
to take away from that, because I learned, you know,
so much in terms of like a historical context of
like witchcraft and magic. But I think that when I
the older that I got, I got closer into connecting

(07:36):
back to my own roots, in my own cultural identity
with being a black woman, with being a Mexican woman.
Um in really embracing and learning more from you know
what I mean, like your heritage, what it sounds like,
and in your bloodline and the hereditary energy that comes
with any lineage. Like I know my mom, she's convinced

(08:01):
she's an alien. I swear to you, she's a pisces.
We're all okay, But so for me, it's not that crazy.
It's not actually crazy at all. When she's talking to
a tree and like I'll be like, Okay, I'm gonna
talk to the tree and give it a hug. Like

(08:22):
that's so normal to me because that's what I grew
up around. And we speak to animals as if they're people.
So I'm not really sure what you would call that.
It's just really nature in tune with nature. And I
think that embracing like nature too is something that really
is a huge part of witchcraft. And I mean that

(08:42):
is I mean embracing the cycles of nature, embracing change
and all of those things go want to you know,
our hand in hand. And even if you don't call
yourself a witch or a spiritual you know what I mean,
It's like it's just it's within all cultures, like that Paganism.
So before there was like Christianity and this, you know

(09:02):
what I mean, like the Balticism, all that stuff. You
can go to any continent on the continent on the
world and it's like from Europe to South America to Africa.
You know, it's like you're always going to find the healer,
the which, the shaman, the you know what I mean,
Like we've always existed and it's culturally just it's within everyone,

(09:25):
it is. And for a large part from reading about
this more recently, because I actually had time to sit
down and read a book for the first time in
about a decade the past year, women in a large
part have been written out of the history of shamanism,
of powerful roles, and it really made me think about

(09:50):
why why that is. And it's because most of history
has been written by men, and it's been rewritten by men.
It's been rewritten by white men. So a lot of
women and women of color specifically just written out of history.
And when you think of which is, I think of
women being punished or burned at the stakes. In my mind,

(10:11):
it made me a quate being a woman questioning standing
up for something and maybe believing in something else. All
of those things potentially are going to get you killed,
and like, how dare you? So? I do think in
this lifetime I've done past life aggressions where in my

(10:33):
past life I've been told that I was burned at
the stake for doing just that, questioning, causing just causing
discomfort in a society that is run by men, and
women are supposed to be very passive and accepting of
how it is. And that's why I was really excited

(10:54):
to talk to you, because I'm still kind of grasping
the idea of what a witch means and it is.
It's so different in every different culture as well well.
I mean, it is something I think just culturally it
depends on who you're asking, you know, because you can
find practitioners from around the world and around the globe.
And I think that I've spoken, you know, at multiple

(11:17):
like conventions and things, you know, like a schools at
n y U and all of these things, and I
think that like it is important. I went to an
esoteric book conference. I was the only woman of color there.
There was just literally nothing but men, predominantly white men
um and a few of women. And I went to
this book conference and I remember just like listening to

(11:40):
a couple of the lectures and I just at the end,
I just like raised my hand and I was just like,
you know, like, well, where do women of color and
you know, black witches and where it is our spirituality
fit into this narrative and to this story. And I'm
like thinking to myself, like why am I the only
like woman of color? You're like, this is like it
was crazy, and I was like I know that I

(12:01):
can't be like the only one. And so initially, like
when I started my website, The Hood, which there were
not other sources at that time doing it, like how
I was, you know, and it was like I love fashion,
you know if you know, you know those alreadies like
I love nail or I love beauty. I love glamour
and beauty and like magic and ritual and all that stuff.

(12:23):
And so I really wanted to create a space where
it just felt like me. You know. I went to
so many moon ceremonies and pagan you know, it was
like very like crunchy, very granola, and I'm just like, al,
that is not me, Like that isn't you know, like
that's not my thing. It's like, yes, I love like
moon ceremonies, but like I just didn't fit in because

(12:43):
everyone's like super green juice and I'm like, but I
like whiskey, and I like, you know, I like whiskey
and kombucha. Yeah, like you can do both. So I
just wanted to create a space, especially as a woman
of color, like where I've felt welcomed more than anything.
It's like I just wanted a space where, you know,

(13:05):
I could have community and like, no matter what level
you were at, you know, if you could you were
a beginner of just learning about the cycles of the moon.
I love astrology, putting real information in a very digestible
way for just the novice or even someone who was advanced.
I wanted it to feel inclusive and not like everyone

(13:27):
is excluded. So no matter what you were, like your gender,
your you know, religious practice, it's like, if you just
had an interest, I wanted to create a space where
you could get that information and it wasn't sugarcoated and
it wasn't just from the perspective of you know, one
way of viewing things and in going So your website

(13:52):
is the hood which dot com everyone should check it out.
It's really it's just very chic and cool and easily
like you said, it's very easily digestible. As someone who's
kind of a novice to all of this, I'm just
exploring and I've felt the same way where I am.

(14:12):
I have tattoos, you know, everywhere, and I have and um,
I don't like just wear like yoga pants everywhere and
only drink green juice. Is I also like whiskey as well.
And it feels very much like it's a black or

(14:32):
white or I mean really a black or white kind
of environment, and I think that that's incredibly unfair to
so many people that just want to explore spiritually. And
I think that you're providing a really safe, comfortable, not
intimidating place. So if anybody wants to check it out,

(14:53):
highly encourage you. Hoodwitch dot com and your Instagram is
the Hoodwitch, right, yeah, And you know, just in looking
at what you post, it's very spiritual, it's very cosmic,
it's really interesting, it's really fun, it's really youthful. It's
so there's a lot of crazy energy in Los Angeles

(15:15):
and in Hollywood and downtown, like every different part of
the city. Has its very vortex of cosmic past energy.
Energy like Hollywood is such a trip. And yeah, downtown,
which I read that you're like you find to be
not the most positive energy downtown Los Angeles. Hey mean, okay, no,

(15:43):
Downtown it is. It has its own energy. It's definitely intense. Um.
I have a few stories of just like, Okay, so
we're gonna have to post the photo because everyone's gonna
want to see after guys. Just so, there was a
bar in downtown l A. It's called the Association. Um.

(16:05):
It's very old building for people who live in l A,
like they know what the door looks like. It's like
a weird like lion's mouth that you kind of like
use as like a little knocker when you go outside
of it. It's spooky. It's very it's like really old.
It's like an old fashioned type of bar. Um and
you wouldn't really recognize it. It It just has a black door.
Is very discreet downtown. Right. So I went there one night,

(16:31):
um for a hip hop night with my friends. Um,
we were just having a girl's night. It was very
crowded and the general group of people, like the vibe
was pretty mixed crowd but predominantly just like very like
I don't know, like young, like black and you know,
just like young, like just young people like fun, good time.

(16:52):
So my girlfriends and I go to use the restroom
and we're pretty drunk at this point, like we're like,
let's take some selfies for Instagram, you know. So we're like,
take take our phones out. We're in the mirror. We're
like boom, boom, boom, like hitting every angle like you
know what it's like. And no one because so no
one was in the restroom with us because the DJ
that was playing it was like a really like popular DJ,

(17:14):
everyone like love. So no one was in the bathroom
and it was very odd considering this is like a
you know, like a pop in like bar. So anyway,
we're in there just taking selfies while we had no
one in the restrooms with us, and that was it,
like we were just in there by ourselves. So we
leave the restroom, we leave it for the night. We
go back home and I was like, oh, like let's

(17:34):
look at the pictures, like I want to post it tomorrow.
So we're like scrolling through like going through all, you know,
because we took like five millions mirrors and so I
did going through all of the pictures, and my friends
stops and she's like, who is that? And I was like,
what are you talking about? And girl, we zoom in
to the picture and there's a little old white woman

(17:58):
and she's in the back of our photo, like there
is a door, like there's the restroom doors. There was
no one in the bathroom with us, okay, but there
was no one in the restroom with us. And there's
a little old white woman. I shoot you not. She
has like a nineteen forties, like nineteen forties kind of hairstyle.

(18:18):
It was like a little ice creams I'm gonna do
the picture, but like she has like a little ice
cream scoop and you just see this like white, transparent woman.
And I scrolled through the other photos and we're looking
she's not in any of the other photos, justin one.
And then it gets fucking weirder. So you look to

(18:41):
the right of the photo because we showed our friend's mom,
and she's like, whose hand is that? And we're like,
what are you talking about? Girl, zoom in to the
right side of the photo. There's a fucking hand, like
an old white lady's hand, like reaching out of where
the mirror is and they're on in the bathroom, so

(19:03):
like it's a creepy handing. You even see like it
has nail polish on it, Like it was so creepy,
Like it was terrifying. And so then the rest of
the photos are just our selfies. But you can see
a full you know what I mean, like a full
view of the room of like what that looks like. Like, um,
you see the mirror, you see the bathroom doors, but
like there's no one in there and you see that

(19:24):
there's nobody else in there. Yes, and so I okay,
So I've had some weird experiences downtown as well, Like
I just I love it down there. I used to
work down there. I worked as a bar back and
then I got fired, and then I worked at a
wine bar and then I got fired. But I'm just
like I'm not good at bartending apparently. But I would

(19:45):
always find there were a couple of blocks that I
just wouldn't ride my bike through because it really like
the energy was really scary. It was really dark and
it just felt spooky as fun. It was really close
to that hotel see saw Hotels Feesel. Oh my god,
have you watched that, Yeah, which is it's a trip.

(20:07):
I mean parts of the documentary. I'm like, how legit
is this? But it's just that that hotel. I did
film in there one time, that energy did. Yeah, the
energy in there is it's it's dark, like it's Richard
Rameriz was fucking staying in there. That's terrifying. I mean
I can only imagine like that's like the least of

(20:27):
the concerns, considering like it's a hundred years old, right,
So I'm like, imagine how many like dead thing? I
don't know, it's terrifying. I'm what was gonna tell you? So,
speaking of spooky hotel, Zoe, Um, have you ever heard
of the hotel Ambassador Hotel? Oh? Hell yeah, where they
have the Roosevelt used to be the Roosevelt when we
could go places right, Oh, the Ambassador Downtown. Where was that?

(20:52):
I'm trying to think it was like in its in
l A. But it's where what's his name, I'm John
Kennedy's brother was assassinated in the Yeah, Okay, so I
think if we're talking about the same place, it's like
kind of in the middle of Hollywood, across the street
from Man. But I got torn down. Oh I didn't
know that it's torn down at a school now, oh God,
but you have to look it up. I'm gonna like

(21:13):
send you this on them, like we're gonna talk about
it like it's fucking It was terrifying. It was so
so so scary, like it was super haunted. It looked
exactly kind of like the Shining. They had that little
like copa cabana type of nightclub that was in there.
And so one of my ex boyfriends and I were working.
He was working on a Snoop Dogg movie. Um, there's

(21:36):
a film there that was shot called The Tenants, and
so Snoop Dogg was there and he's like in this movie.
And then um, we had to work like he was
a scenic painter, so like we had to stay at
night to like help, you know, I was helping him
like paint the walls. And girl, they're just like so
many scary things that have happened, Like you have to

(21:57):
tell me what happened. Dyer story was one night in there,
so like they used to make us leap set, like
no one could stay after sundown. That was like one
of the rules. They were like, Okay, you can't stay
and when the sun goes down, we're like, oh whatever,
like they're just being like superstitious. I don't care. So
my X and I like we went and we stayed

(22:19):
after sundown on purpose now to like finish working the walls. Well,
it was kind of on purpose. I was scared. Um,
So we're in there and I've shipped, you're not, so,
like we're painting the walls and we look over and
we hear like one of the room doors open like
it because we're on the hotel, like imagine the shining

(22:40):
like you know, there's like the old school like hallway.
Then there's like a door that like opened up, and
we're like looking and you see almost like this mirrage.
It's kind of like a floaty Um. I don't know
how to describe it. You know, like when you look
at a mirrage and it looks like the image like
it's like like floaty like gas like out of the

(23:00):
show Over, like when you see heat coming out, it's
like you can see like the waves of the heat.
It looked like that coming down the hallway with like
a midst of like a like a white fog that
was like coming closer to us, and we just looked
at each other and we were so freaked. So then
while we're on set, while they're rolling and Snoop is

(23:24):
on the set and everyone's like, you know, standing in
this um like in the set where they're filming, so
like quiet on the set. Everyone's quiet. Boom, all of
a sudden, you hear a door like creek open and
then it slams shut. And so then the detractors like
cut and everyone almost said like holy fun, like we're

(23:45):
all mounting. They're like, oh my god, like what the
funk was that? Like the door opened up by itself
and then slammed. So we were freaked out. I was
I did not work on that set again. I was
gonna say, wouldn't stuff like that happened to me? I
feel like it's happened to me a couple of times
in my life. And there are sometimes where I feel
like it's just kind of a lost spirit, like someone

(24:06):
that's passed away that maybe doesn't know they've passed away
in some in between space I'm not really sure, a
lost soul kind of And then there are sometimes when
you feel the energy where you're like I'm getting the
funk out of here, yes, but like for me, with
that old lady and the photo, it changed my life
because I really like started thinking to myself. I was like, Okay,

(24:27):
if we can see her in this photo, what if
she was living in a completely different time period than us,
And what if she looked in the mirror was like, Oh,
I'm seeing three blood girl, three color you like in there,
like you know, this old fashioned, old white woman like
who knows what type of like cocktail bar, you know,
like whatever that bar was like in the nineteen forties.

(24:50):
I'm assuming maybe there was still like segregated or I
don't know, like the nineteen thirties, but like what if
she saw these like three like women of color in
the mirror and her friends were probably like, oh, Barbara,
you're just drunk, like come back, you know, like and
that's where the hands like coming back. You know. It's
almost like this weird like timeline, yes, Like what if

(25:12):
it was actually happening in the same time that we
were there, Like what if it was all like what
what if it was like a timeline that like overlaps
each other and like, I don't know, like that to me,
it kind of like takes the spookiness away from like
what's a ghost and it's someone dead. But I'm like,
what if it's not a ghost, Like what if we're
just living in like a coexisting and like multiple timelines

(25:35):
right now? Yes, and multiple We're all in the same space,
but in different dimensions, different time. You know, one of
the factors is just different. I think about that too,
because I had a really weird experience when I got
woken up by an apparition at the end of the bed.
And I always like love staying at haunted places. I
love scaring the ship out of myself. I think it's fun.

(25:56):
And then this happened, and I remember thinking specific quickly like, oh,
this is making me sad for this girl. She seems
really lost, and she seems really sad. And I wasn't
scared at all. It was her energy was just really different.
She was dressed in like high neck like very old school,
like eighteen hundreds maybe dressed. But I had the same

(26:18):
Where were you I was in I was in Texas
at this place called Miss Molly's. I think it's a
haunted brothel. It's haunted. See. I like seek these places out,
and then when I scare the ship out of myself,
then I'm like, oh God, but I chase these adventures

(26:41):
with the supernatural and unexplainable because it makes me feel
so alive and small in a great way. Like our
own show. Now, let's have our own paranormal. Let's go.
I would love to. I want to go to all.
I want to go to see that fucking aliens. Yes,
when outside opens, let's have a show. We're gonna be

(27:04):
like this is where new We're gonna go, like the
Ghost Adventure, Let's go. I want to see the ghosts.
I want to see the aliens. I want to see
the other dimensions. I want to like, I just want
to immerse myself in every different kind of thought. Someone
once called me a nature punk, which was the closest
thing that I was like, Oh, yeah, I am that,
Like that's I defined myself now as a nature punk. Yeah,

(27:27):
I think that's like, that's what I feel like. But
I'm also I know I'm a witch, but I also
don't necessarily exactly know what that means. I have an alter,
don't I know? I know I'm I am. I am
a witch. You're right, I'm going to stay it with pride.
I am a witch. I just don't know exactly if

(27:50):
there's rituals for instance, Like there's different rituals for different
every different religion, So what's what's like a ritual? Is
there a very important ritual to practicing witchcraft that is
like an initiative? I mean, I feel like everybody's practice
is so different, do you know what I mean? It's
like I can't sit here and be like, Okay, here's

(28:10):
the black and white eight is the guide of what
is you're gonna this is how you're going to be
a witch. Because there are some people who are like
shut the hell up, like that's not what I do,
Like you know what I mean, Like that's not how
I define my practice. So I think it's so deeply personal.
And if you're not you know, initiated into a specific tradition,

(28:31):
because every tradition, in each each practice is going to
be so different, do you know what I mean? Because
you have like wickens, and you have like chaos magicians,
and you have you know what I mean, it's like
the solitary witch and Dianic, which is it's like you
have all of these like different practices. So it's like
there's no one size fits all, Like I can't tell

(28:54):
you like, hey, kesha, um, you need to do this
naked full moon rich ritual. What's like, maybe that's something
that I like doing, maybe I think all which is
actually like actually, I'm like, I feel like we all
really love being naked under a full moon. But you know,

(29:16):
just generally speaking, there really isn't I wouldn't feel comfortable
saying like, hey, you know, to be a witch, you
need to do this. I think to be a witch
you need to create your own meaningful ritual. I think
you need to be true to yourself. I think you
should be respectful of nature, be respectful of the cycles
of nature. Um, and you know what I mean. And and

(29:37):
and even still it's like that's not even a guideline,
you know what I mean, because you have satanic witches,
you have all there's just there's a whole realm of
witches and witchcraft. And so they're again like I said,
there's no one size fits all, there's no right, there's
no wrong. And I think that that is the beauty

(29:59):
of being a witch, that archetype, that's like the wild
that energy, that wildness. Or it's like you're not gonna
tell me ship like I'm gonna do what the funk
I want to do and that's I'm not. It's like,
that's the difference, you know, Like the witch is like
it's not a queen, it's not a princess, it's not
you know what I mean, any of these things. It's like,

(30:20):
if I want to be ugly, if I want to
be dark and scary, and you know, if I want
to be light and loving and etherory all these things,
It's like, that doesn't make me any less of a witch,
because that's just that's the beauty. That's the power of
the witch, is truly and just fiercely and unapologetically embracing
your nature and what you are, and that is the witch.

(30:43):
I love that I am a witch. I'm a motherfucking witch.
Motherfucking witches for real. Though I think I hesitate because
I'm like, I don't know, I believe in like so
many different things, and sometimes I want to be really
like a total light worker, and sometimes I want to
be kind of like a naked moon gremlin at the

(31:07):
beach and just like be like a total psychic. But
I think you can be all of those things, and
I think I'm I'm over the past year, I've been
really trying to focus on harnessing all of the natures
of who I am, and instead of trying to be
ashamed of them, be proud of them. And if they

(31:29):
make me happy and they're coming from a place that
is making some sort of positive change with it myself
for it to other people, it's been fucking owning it.
And that's like really difficult sometimes in a society that's
not necessarily the kindest two people. And I can't even
imagine like the past year. Yeah, I think that's something.

(31:53):
You know, I'm really proud of myself. I'm very grateful
to be in a position where I was to create
the space, this platform if it's to help anyone, if
anybody gets anything out of what I do, and I
think a lot of that for me, um interestingly enough,
was like really stepping to the forefront. And you know,

(32:17):
I got a lot of shipped from you know, other
other witches and like white witches are blackly it's like
not even just to put like a race on it,
but it's like a lot of old school witches who
are like, well, I don't like the commercialization of all
and it's like, okay, you can talk shit about like
younger people like millennials, you know, going to urban outfitters
and buying their first ptero at deck. But it's like

(32:39):
fuck you, Like just because someone you know, like is
going with these like silly places, They're going to eventually
have a genuine knowledge and they want to learn. So
everyone starts somewhere, and not to really not to condone
like buying things from like you know, appropriative places, because
I don't condone that. Definitely it's support small business to

(33:01):
buy a tarot decks, but um, but I'm just saying,
like young like young kids, you know, like teenagers and
like you know, like just younger kids, like they want
to learn about it. And I'm like, not everyone starts
off as being this like you know, all knowledge, you know,
all wisdom bearing like witch and powerful goddess healer. It's

(33:22):
like you all, there's a curiosity, you know, And I
think that that's the beauty with so many people who
are stepping away from you know, organized religion and like
these outdated like patriarchal beliefs, they have to start somewhere.
So if if it's with Instagram or you know, seeing
a post that inspires them, or seeing a person or

(33:45):
learning from someone who looks like them, and for me,
it was like I was so afraid, Like when I
first started doing hood, which I never posted pictures, and
it was always I was known for my mail art
in my hands because I would hold like crystals, and
I didn't want my looks to take away from my message,

(34:07):
which is also something like a very patriarchal thing where
I'm like, oh well, if I look this way, then
people won't take me seriously. Um. But then I was like, no,
funk that, Like, I absolute right. It's like I'm a
black woman, I'm a Mexican woman, I have like I'm
a you know, all of these things, Like within my culture,
it's like representation matters, and to be in a space

(34:31):
where you know this, oh well, she's, you know, culturally
the same. I grew up this way and I love
art and I love beauty and all that stuff, it's like,
you know, you find someone who is like relatable, and
I think that that's important and that really helps me
to keep going. Being unique and unfamiliar is what makes

(34:51):
people so intriguing and interesting, and that's what I love
the most about getting to talk to people, is what
makes them them, Like what makes you you where did
you come from? Where did you, like, how did you
learn these things like your ancestors, and also taking into
account the younger generation where everyone is on Instagram and TikTok,

(35:12):
and why shouldn't we be exploring our spirituality in those arenas.
That's where everybody is right now. And I think the
younger you are getting to know yourself and being aware
of spirituality. I think that's all a really positive way
to use social media. I agree, and I think that
we're innately you know, spiritual being. So it's like no

(35:33):
matter how you get there, the point is is like
you're just gonna get there, and you're going to connect
with people that you vibe with. You're going to connect
with people who are speaking to you and that are
going to help you to like grow. So not everyone's
going to start off knowing everything. And I just feel like,
you know, elders need to be more open, and I

(35:55):
think a lot of them are like um with I
just feel like if you're going and you're teaching in
a manner that's respectful of you know, traditions, and like
I said, there are some magical practices that have very
strict guidelines that you absolutely need to be initiated into.
There are things that you can't just google and you know,

(36:17):
insert yourself into. And there are things that you need
to be culturally sensitive to where you cannot just put
yourself into a practice or like oh, I'm gonna, you know,
worship o'shoon and I'm gonna It's like no, sweetheart, Like
these are real, like religions that you actually have to
go through, like ceremony and like learning the information, Like

(36:42):
you need to be guided, Like this is not something
that's for play, and it's just not for you know,
for fun. This is like real life, yeah, and it's
for it's My spirituality is something that's like ever changing
and growing, and it's something I want to protect more
than anything in the world because it's solely and you know,
a lot of times in life there's so many things

(37:02):
people can take and take from you or but like
your spirituality, your connection to source with the universe, like
that's yours and nobody can work with that. And to
take it slow and do it correctly. There's something I'm
trying to do and also just explore. I want to
explore and know about everyone else and what they believe in,
because I really do think we're all we are all connected,

(37:25):
and the more we can see that instead of dividing
with the religions where it's just like so so divisive
versus realizing we're all trying to find our own inner
golden light or higher consciousness and that's all part of
the same thing. I love this pices, this very Pisces

(37:47):
dreamy energy or like we're all into connected as we are.
It's beautiful. But you're Taurus, right, your Taurus. I am
a taurust and Taurus done in mood, and I have
a scorpio rising Scorpio rising too. I think that's where
the like don't work with me a little part of it.

(38:10):
But it's also I feel like our witchiness too. It is,
and I think it's important as a woman too to
have a little bit because I have the Pisces on Pisces,
and then I'm the Year of the Rabbit, so I'm
all like good vibes and fuzzy, and then I have
a little scorpio just it's like my protection to be like,
but don't talk with me, but like, but so is

(38:36):
your beauty regimen. Like all of that is very important
to you. From what I was reading on your like
the website that you find it really important and I
do too, obviously, yes, I love Okay, so I don't
give a ship. Like people can be dismissive, especially like
in the space of like I don't think so anymore,
but like in the world of like, I don't know

(38:57):
what and I wouldn't even say like witchcraft, but I
do like in the spiritual world or community. Um, some
people like look down at it. But like, I don't
give a ship because I'm like beauty and taking care
of yourself and these are not just like vain things,
and so what if it is I feel like being
a witch, like you're a witch, Like you're not a saint,
like you're not you know, trying to be like holier

(39:19):
than now. It's like, of course witches have always been
like sexy and care about glamour and beauty, and I
think that, um, taking care of yourself however, you see fit,
even if it's not with makeup, if it's with your diet,
if it's with you know, doing a certain amount of exercise,
it's about really like taking care of your physical vessel

(39:39):
and caring for your body and caring for yourself or
even just lurging on like buying you know, getting your
hair done or your nails or a facial or a massage.
Like these are like that's your temple, that's your body,
Like that's something that's sacred. So why wouldn't I put
that into my practice of empowerment? Why wouldn't I want
to feel good about myself? And I really try to

(40:03):
um share that with other people as well, Like it's
not just something that's like a vain thing to do.
It's like it's empowering. It's it's how you ground yourself.
Even for your rituals, for your spells, if you take
like a nice shower or like a bad and you're
burning you know, your favorite candles or your incense and
you're saying like, you know, positive affirmations to yourself, or

(40:27):
even if it's you know, it can get dark and
not not darker, but like get deeper. It's like a
sex ritual, you know, like anything like just something that
like makes you feel good. It's like why the fun?
Why don't you want to feel good? Like you can
do that on your own, and it's not like no
one should criticize that. I just feel like, uh, the
form of transformation its powerful. It is powerful, and it

(40:50):
shouldn't be shameful to be both spiritually inclined and also
want to feel like the best version and most powerful
version of yourself, like absolutely as a woman, it's you know,
fortunately or unfortunately people look at you. And if I
can put on like a cat, I and all of

(41:10):
a sudden I feel more powerful. And why I couldn't
I do it. I don't ever leave the house without
a black cat. I I even wore red lips freeze today.
Oh my god, the gorgeous well red lips are definitely
they're like historically. Don't know why. I don't know if
it's just red, the color red or what it is,
but a red lip is just always fiercely dangerous, and

(41:33):
so I love it. It's living in your power. Yes,
you're bad, bitch powered. I fucking love that. I don't
know that much about the black dahlia, but my god,
I was told that you're really into it. So I

(41:53):
was wondering if you could educate me on what I know.
It's like a Hollywood terrifying murder. There was always this
theory that like whoever murdered her was like very much
like inclined with like the medical profession, so like her
body was like fully drained of it of the blood.

(42:15):
Did they ever figure out who did it? No? Oh
my god, I need to really get on this because
I don't know that much about it. And it's one
of those things I don't know if you do this,
but there's like I love a good this sounds really
fucked up. I I do kind of like I love
a good creepy story. I do. I just like that.

(42:37):
And I've been saving this one because I've heard it's
really insane, but I haven't like yet like dove into
the details of it. But I'm going to do that tonight.
That's like what I'm gonna do for fun. That's what
I do for fun. I know. No, that's a good one.
But like there is also another book, um, I think
it was. It's like an old book. I'm gonna I
might have two copies of it, and if I do,

(42:59):
I'm going to send you on. It's called Psychic California
and it's out of print and it's like an old
book and it's like it talks about like the occult
in like just spooky history of the cult and everything
of like California and Los Angeles. I love ship like that.
I'm obsessed with cults in California. I don't know what

(43:20):
it is, but California is a great place to have
a really fucked up cult historically speaking. I mean yeah,
I'm like, hey, Keshia, let's start a cult? Are you kidding?
I just wrote a song called Let's go start a
cult in Texas because I've always wondered what that would
be like. But mine wouldn't like I wouldn't want anybody

(43:43):
to murder. Anybody would be a very loving, happy call. Okay,
we won't have a murdered cult. If we have a
call a total witch cult where it's like just like
nature or mother nature worship, female worship power and not

(44:07):
having to I feel like as a woman too, i
find myself downplaying my power and I'm like, I'm really
trying to unlearn that, Like I'm trying to unlearned downplaying
my power, and this is like part of it is
maybe a cult. But if you had a cult, what
would be what would the outfits be? I mean I

(44:29):
feel like, what would the outfits be? For me? It's
my outfits gonna be black, So I'm already I still
liked to black. Maybe everyone gets their own color. Oh,
that would be great. I would love to be like
a baby pink cult member. Oh it's such a pissies
know you're like, I'm going to have baby pink with
glitter and black. Scorpio was like, okay, but I love

(44:53):
emerald green Toosela is my wig inner Taurus earthy. I
love that. Oh my gosh, Like we're total opposites in
the color spectrum. I like all the baby comings, and
you can have like the dark greens in the forest.
And I know I love jeweled tones. I too. I

(45:13):
have so many crystals. I have a crystal I brought
back from I was in South Africa and I brought
back this crystal and then it busted into thirty different pieces.
But so if you send me that book, I'll send
you a piece of this crystal. I got trade, Yes,
which trade? And then our energy will be forever. We'll

(45:36):
have like a little together and then we can start
our right next to our cold and okay, we have
a whole long list. Now we have a which ghost
series and now we have to have a cold stone.
They can all be like in the same area. We
can figure out where exactly, but in California somewhere. Yes,
do you do you find yourself to be psychic? Do

(45:57):
you believe in like the supernatural and feeling psychic? I
guess and that we're like super natural and just kind
of like I just think it's natural. So I think
that everyone is like very intuitive when we're like connect
to our power. And it's kind of to go back
into what you were saying where you're like, oh, like

(46:19):
you know, I have to start un learning you know,
doubting myself and really stepping into like my power and
like my intuition. I think that so many women identifying people,
we do have this tendency and I think it's been
programmed within us from a very young age that you know,

(46:40):
our intuition is like paranoia or you're being too paranoid
or that's crazy, and you know what I mean. Like
so the dreamy and like the magical sides to ourselves
are suppressed and we're it's it's not something that's very developed.
And I think that as a society and just culturally, um,

(47:04):
you know, people value like science over intuition. But I
don't think that there needs to be um one or
the other. I think that both can coexist together, and
I think that more people. Yes, I do feel that
I'm psychic, and I'm definitely a psychically sensitive that goes
into a large part of my work and I'm I

(47:29):
always honor that and I would love to tell more
people to embrace that part of themselves and to trust
themselves more. And that's really it Isn't it funny how
it's such a how we all have it. But the
second you start talking about it, I feel like from
multiple sorry but they are multiple men in my past

(47:53):
have been like, oh, that's so crazy. Oh that's so
wo wo oh, that's like you're such a You're like
doing the thing, and I'm like, no, no, no, it's
a natural feeling I have. That's I connect with with
the earth as an animal. I feel that there's something
bad is going to happen. And this happened multiple times

(48:15):
to me and the next day, unfortunately, I've had multiple
people passed away after having this very specific feeling in
my gut, and before they passed away, I'm crazy. I'm
just being the weirdo whatever fill in the blank. I'm
being insane. And then the next day I'm like, I

(48:35):
told you something weird was going to happen. I felt
it in my gut, I felt it deep inside of me,
and then it happens. You know. That's and I think
that you know so many times, how many times have
every you know women and like I said, women identifying
people been dismissed as being crazy and that's insane or

(48:56):
that's stupid and that doesn't make rational sense and that's
not real. And I'm like, okay, but like trust your gut,
like trust your intuition um. And when people say like
gut feelings, a lot of people don't know this, but
when they say trust your gut, they're talking about your
solar plexus. And so your solar plexus is right where
your navel is. It's how we receive and you know,

(49:19):
project energy. So I think it's like that feeler. It's
just it is feeling other people's energetic um, like their aura,
their energy like in your space. So if you're getting
that gut feeling, it's in the pit of your stomach
where you're like, oh, I don't know, this doesn't feel good.
Trust that that's your that is your psychic power, that
is your intuition, that is like you really getting this

(49:42):
like warning and the signal. Then listen to that feeling.
Trust it, trust it. Oh my god, I really there's
so many circumstances. I mean, it's my first Tarot card
pack that like since I've kind of started understanding the
nificance of taro and I was wondering if there's a

(50:05):
specific thing you do with your deck or you just
like kind of meditate on it. So one thing that
I love, especially if i'm if I get a new
Tarot deck that I love, I'm okay, So let me
just like, let's just start here. So a lot of
people ask about like tarot and like what they're supposed

(50:28):
to do with their decks and like how they're supposed
to work with it when they first get it. I
am going to be that one who breaks away from
tradition and I'm gonna say, you don't need to be
gifted a Tarot deck, and a lot of it, there's
this misconception that like you're supposed to be gifted a

(50:48):
Tarot deck. I think that if you find a deck
because it is such a deeply personal tool, you like
the artwork for it, you know, you love the symbolism
by it for yourself. Why are you why are you
waiting for someone to give you the deck, like like
go buy it for yourself. But what I like to
do is I take my deck out. UM. I will

(51:10):
use like I don't know, it just depends, like I
try to use like a cleansing herb um, just to
cleanse the energy of it. I will sleep with it.
Sometimes I'll wrap them up in silk cloth. I keep
mine in cloth, or I have like little boxes, um,
like either wooden boxes or certain boxes that um, you know,

(51:34):
you can just like buy that are small enough to
keep your cards in. But my favorite deck that I
like working with right now, it's like wrapped up in
cloth and I put it in silk cloth. UM. I
put like a quartz crystal on it. You put it
under your pillow. If there's certain cards that are really
jumping out to you in the deck, you can put
that on your altar, on your vanity table, on your dresser, UM,

(51:57):
and just like meditate on it and just look at
the image dree of it. If you don't really understand
what it is and why you like it. I would
sit with that first before reading you know, the instruction
manual for it, because I'm I'm totally with you, like
I'm like always of the mindset like I can do

(52:20):
it myself. I got this, I'm gonna go get my
deck whatever. And I was going to go out and
buy myself a deck. And then for my birthday a
week ago, a really really close friend of mine got
me a deck that just like I'm obsessed with and
I keep pulling the same card, like I kept like
trying to not pull the same card and shuffling, and
the same card kept jumping out at me. I love

(52:42):
when that happens. And I was like, oh, ship, I
think it's really just this card. I think it's really
this card. But I was wondering if you have a
card that speaks to you the most. I'm okay, So
I really love So it just depends on what deck.
But there's I have three of them, so one of

(53:03):
them is the death card. I love the death card
generally in all most decks from like old New. I
don't know if they told you this, but like I
have over two hundreds. Oh my god, no, you didn't
tell me that. So there's so many different I'm sure
there's so many different kinds of decks. I'm sure. Yeah. Um,

(53:24):
I mean I have some old decks from like, you know,
the early nineteenth century. I have some cool ones from
the sixties, from the seventies, I had a lot of
really cool like old, rare, out of print decks. UM.
I get a lot of decks sent to me just
from new artists, UM that have made their decks, and

(53:46):
I just have like a crazy collection of them. UM.
But my favorite cards the death card. I love the
Empress and I love m What do else? What else
I like seeing? I like seeing the Nine of Pentacles,
She's a good one, or like just that card in general.
I really love what is the What is the significance

(54:07):
of the Nine of Pentacles and the death card? So
the death card is a signifier of like rebirth and transformation.
It's like the phoenix rising from the ashes. Um in
the terror that card is really just you know, a
major transformation. So when some people see it, they get

(54:28):
like really spooked out in readings, UM, I do terror readings,
So like when that card comes up, UM, a lot
of people get freaked out. But it's not anything to
be scary, it's just change. It's major change on a
very deep level, soul level. UM. And so the Nine
of Pentacles for me, when I see that card come up,
it's really just about like um that financial independent and

(54:53):
like making money and like, you know like that it's
a very like tourist Earth the you know, like very
like uh, material oriented type of cards. So it makes
me feel abundant. It makes me feel like I'm on
the right path. Um. And then with the Empress, I
love her because she's like the mother, like the nurtures.
It's like a very venusian um energy, like the care provider,

(55:17):
like carrying and nurturing and like that divine feminine power
and energy. So like I really love that card too. Oh,
I forget. I love the hyph Priestess. I personally I've
only gotten I've only gotten my cards read like a
handful of times. So we have to do that at

(55:37):
some point on one of your like sixties decks. Yes,
I'm gonna I'm actually like talking about this and like
I want to give you a reading. But yes, let's
we'll talk about this after. Yeah, when we're on our
camping trip at a haunted um worehouse looking for that
is okay, that is our first trip. If you're down,

(56:00):
she's haunted as fuck. Oh I'm definitely down. Okay. I
made my mom go there with me and she was like,
I hate you. It's so fun. Which the witch cult,
the initiation, we have to go to the whorehouse. Love
it perfect. If you want to join our cult, just

(56:23):
follow us here at cash in the Creepies and go
to the hoodwich dot com. Thank you so much. I
feel like I've kept you for ages. Oh my god,
I have ship. Um, if you want to like promote
where people can find you, like hoodwich dot com and
then if anything else you'd like to promote, now's the time,
go for it. Okay, so um everyone, you can find

(56:47):
me at the hoodwich dot com and on Instagram at
the Hoodwich. I am also writing a book. I offered
tarot readings and so yeah, I have That's what I'm
doing right now. I'm going to definitely be sure to
let you know once my focus finished. And that's pretty

(57:08):
much it. And you're just like a badass gorgeous, which
so check her out. Thank you for listening. Thank you
so much for joining me today. It's been such a
pleasure talking to you. Thank you so much. I'm so
so grateful for you having me and our chat and
now we're having a cult me too. I'm speaking of

(57:32):
speaking of cult too. So I have a new project
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(57:52):
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I'm already in sign me up, all right. Thank you
so much for listening. Thank you so much for doing this.
I really appreciate it. Thank you. Donny Love