Insane Clown Posse & The Dark Carnival

Kesha talks with Insane Clown Posse about the creation of their Juggalo universe known as the Dark Carnival. Over the conversation Kesha realizes that she is in fact a Juggalo. They touch on everything from Furry culture and how it relates to Juggalo culture. ICP tell the story of how the Dark Carnival started organically in Detroit when they were growing up and how they only became rappers after their dreams of becoming pro wrestlers was sidetracked.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Love is a miracle. You can't put you can't put
that in a pill. Scientists would be selling that up
to following an up seats. Well, they've been trying to
do that. I think that's called molly. Welcome to Cash

(00:31):
in the Creepies. Okay, let's get into it. We're welcome
me insane clown posse. Hey, hey, guys, thank you so
much for being here on Cash in the Creepies. Let's
get into it. Thank you for having us for real? Yeah,
no doubt. Let's jump in asked first. Yeah, let's jump
in ask first. That's my method. Usually, you guys look

(00:54):
so sick. I fully admire the dedication to the makeup game.
Well thanks, I mean we we've been doing this for
so long. It's not even dedication no more. It's just routine.
You know. It's like brushing your teeth in the morning.
You put on paint. I when I dream at night,
I'm painted up every time, you know what I mean.
When I ain't got I'm scared to touch my face

(01:14):
because I think I'm gonna suck it up when it's
not even because I'm so used to having it on.
That's how I feel about like with my hair like
I have extensions in and I always I'm like, don't
touch the hair, don't touch the hair, don't touch the hair,
because I forget if it's real or not. Yeah, I'm
like that too. I've been obviously like aware of you
and a fan of who you are and what you

(01:36):
just you've cultivated something that's fucking insane. And to see
that from when I was a little kid growing up,
I just you're like mystical beings. You guys, They're like,
it's like Batman and Robin. So I really like the
word mystical. That was the ship never got called that,

(01:57):
But seeing that I've never been called mystical for real, Alas,
that's what it's like. I mean, you're just saying that
for is that for real? No? For real? There's always
been this laura and legend behind who you are and
the culture you've created and your fans. I do think
that there is something about y'all that's really hard to

(02:18):
pinpoint and even articulate. It's just you're on some other
level your own. I have a theory for why it's
like that, because I've heard that before. Honest honestly, I
heard that before. Um, I try to remember who said that.

(02:38):
Um oh. We we were in New York City and
we were doing um uh, we're making appearances at the
big hip hop stations, you know what I mean, like
uh Hot ninety seven in like um um uh you know,
um Sways Swim sim Sady's Radio. What is it? Oh yeah,

(03:01):
that's yeah. You know, we're doing that stuff. And those guys,
you know, they get all kinds of names on the show,
obviously everybody in hip hop, you know. And they were like, whoa,
It's like you guys are you know, said basically the
same thing. You know. We were like whoa. You know.
So I've been thinking about it, you know, they said it,
and I'll tell you why. It's I think it's like that.

(03:23):
I think it's like that because even though we're in
the same industry technically, you know what I mean, I
c P for whatever reason is basically nowhere everybody else
is like everybody else is one place if we're somewhere
else totally. You know what I'm saying. What I mean
by that is um for I mean, we took our

(03:46):
own route to get where we're at, so we never
made the connections, we never made the friends along the way.
We never played on the same stages as everybody, right were.
We were never like on any kind of like the scene,
you know what I'm saying, like like awards and like
after parties we were. We were never on it. We
were never invited to it, you know what I'm saying.
So that's why you know, people think that, you know,

(04:07):
maybe that we are these elusive unicorns or something. You
never had the manager that that that used to manage
this is that such and such person and also managers
such as such. We never had any of that. Um.
We just came from literally, you know, in Detroit. We
we pressed up our we recorded a song in the
studio and then and then pressed up four songs into

(04:28):
an EP right and drove around and handed them to
the record stores put them on consignment, right. And we
have done that all the week til the day. You know,
on different levels. We learned different tricks. Point is, label
after label and we still are like a grassrooms do
it yourself, you know what I'm saying. The point is

(04:49):
that's that was doing the whole do it or something
has from those days in the early nineties till today,
we still basically do it just like that. We're not.
We don't get to meet everybody else. We don't get
to Um it's not. I'm not complaining because um, it's
it's it's all. It's wonderful anyway that you can do

(05:10):
what you love for a living, you know what I mean.
It's it's absolutely made your own family. It feels like
you made your own family. Maybe the industry wasn't your family,
but you made your own family, and that's your fans.
It's what it feels like to me. Yeah, we we
dug our own we we we we made our own
way up the mountain, and um, we made our own route.
We dug our own route to this and to that,

(05:32):
and doing all that digging and making our own route.
We now have a little many many the whole city
that we just existed, you know what I mean. And
that's why people are like, Man, I hear about you guys,
but I never see you guys. Nobody does, because we're
in our own lane so much that we were the
same place. We have been playing the same venues we

(05:52):
did ten and fifteen years ago. You know, we we
don't go we don't go up and down, we don't
get hot. We're all we gotta single out, it's blown up.
We don't, we don't. Nobody cares what we don't. Ever,
nobody's pays attention to. Oh we got some new ship
coming out. Oh, you know, nobody reviews us. We know

(06:14):
we've we've never had a hot summer. Nobody reviews our music. Nobody. Um,
it's not it's not considered, you know, you know, but
that's fine, man. It's just I'm just saying, like, that's
why I think we have that reputation because we're there
with everybody, but we're just in another room. We're like, hey, man,

(06:34):
we see it through the window. Room man. Right. We're like,
we're like, but really, we do this. We do the
same thing. We're living as you. We just do it
different ways, you know what I mean? Dude, I have
to tell you because you're speaking my language in a
in a sense, Yes, I've had like songs that blow up,
but then I also if a song doesn't blow up,

(06:55):
I feel like a massive failure and I would like
to just feel like this God that sounds so nice
to just like feel totally like stable. And I finally
am like trying to get into that stride of my career.
So for me, when I think about y'all. I know
what you look like. It's iconic, you know what I mean.
Like everybody knows who you are. Everybody knows what you

(07:17):
look like. Everybody knows about the gathering, everybody knows about
the family, everybody knows about your juggalos. They have their
own thing going. And I just want you to know
that there's mad respect from people even if you feel
like you don't necessarily fit in with anybody else. I
don't feel like that either. I know from probably other
people's perspective, I fit in with you know, I've been
to the award shows, but I still feel like a misfit.

(07:38):
I still feel like an outsider. I still you got
your Your reputation from where we sit is you're awesome,
you know what I mean? For the like the fucking
high caliber level international superstar you are. You've always like
they might have problems with you at the it's gonna

(08:01):
you know, you don't follow the rules all the time.
You do your thing, and I can I can see
the label coming down and being like, hey, you know,
we're listening to the record and you're being like, hold
on changing ship. You well, you know, it's just if
it's if it's gonna come out we think you should.
I don't care what you think. This is the way
it's coming out. You know, that's how that's that's your image.

(08:22):
You know, you just have to be you because you're
going to find the people to gravitate towards you and
that need you and are going to relate to you
whatever you is, even if you feel like a fucking freak,
because I certainly do the way. I just had to
say this right quick. Uh, super props on a gold
tooth straight up that she was dope. It was real
dope for a girl having it. That was dope. Man. Thanks.

(08:45):
My mom hates it. That's what mom's do with fashion.
You know. My mom don't like the tattoos on my face,
you know what I mean? Well, these so I have
to ask. And if it's like part of your Laura
and you don't want to tell me, that's totally fine,
Like whatever it goes, whatever you're comfortable with. But do
you paint this on every single day? Pretty much? But
pretty much there's a reason too. But that doesn't mean

(09:07):
we have it on all day. You know, I might
just have to put it on for like like ten minutes.
Is to bust out a couple of cameos, you know
what I'm saying, or whatever. Then we there's not usually
a reason every day to put it on, you know
what I mean. But it's not something where it's all
day long. We got it on, you know what. You
know what I mean. If we're just doing studio, just

(09:28):
us together, no, we don't pay that purpose. But if
there's a camera, you got it on. No question we're
doing anything. There's no question. I'll tell you something funny
about this paint. Though. What's crazy is in the summertime, right,
like when we're at the gathering and stuff, if you
check out the paint, right, the sun the the the
white reflects the sun, right, but the black actually like

(09:52):
attracts this. So if you look where the black is
on our face, Like after the gathering we're outsiding the
sun for four days, we go home, we either got
sunburned or a tan right where the black is on
our face. So like if we're going if we're going around,
like after we get home from together, and we usually
try to take like a week off or whatever, and um,

(10:13):
there's no height in who we are. You know. We
walk into a store, grocery store whatever, we got the
peat still out of face. Yeah, we've shot videos in
the desert. You know what I'm saying that at the
airport looking like straight idiots afterwards, you know, because it's
sucking sunburns is where this ship say it's I love that.
I kind of love that it's sunburned onto your face
because it is who you are. Yeah, it's like burns

(10:35):
on it. I'll tell you what though, you know, this
is a philosophy I have and I'm I wonder your
opinion on this. Um. We talked about this a lot um,
you know. We this is us in the clown paint.
I mean obviously obviously we seeing clown posse has a
gimmick or is a gimmick or whatever whatever however people
want to refer to, you know, the gimmick, the gimmick idea.

(10:58):
Right in our union, everybody has a gimmick. Every artist
out there has a gimmick. If they don't have a gimmick,
there's a problem. You know. In other words, if they
can't make a comic book or a dollar of that artist,

(11:19):
there's probably something wrong. You know what I'm saying. Because
the record companies, I think they want people to have
some sort of gimmick. I'm not saying their gimmick where
they have no talent, you know what I mean, that's
what I'm saying. I'm saying everybody has things about them
that make them who they are to the public. You know,

(11:40):
because not everybody's gonna know you personally the way you
want them to. All all the people that end up
buying your music, but they're gonna know you're you know,
like they knew Alice. I mean they knew Ozzy Osbourne
bit the head up a bat. Everybody knew that. You know,
those were his, like all those added together and the
devil this in the traziness and the drugs, that's his gimmick.

(12:03):
I mean, he's pretty, he's super gimmick that you then
you got I'm showing my agre by using these bands.
But then you got Pearl Jam, right, which is like,
um uh, that's my favorite band, right, but Pearl Jams
like super strong, like, oh, we don't want to make videos,
we don't want to do this and that. We don't
We're not the gimmicky. We're not a gimmick, you know.

(12:25):
We we won't be sold our music does are speaking
We don't need a video to gimmick it out. You know,
that's their gimmick. They're gonna use no gimmick. The gimmick
is we don't have a gimmick. That's their gimmick, you know.
I mean, well that's the thing. Don't you ever go
in between the two of being? Like, because I went
for a couple of years with some face paint on
that was kind of inspired by Alice Cooper Bowie, and

(12:48):
then I was like, oh, I'm growing, I'm changing, I
am maturing. And then I went like without it, and
I felt so insecure, and so I kind of bounced
in between the two worlds of being. I got this
thing like I have glitter, Always always got glitter. Yeah,
then sometimes when I'm without it, I feel a little
bit naked. And I don't know if people like that

(13:10):
like to see a different side or if they just
want if they just want the glitter party queen. They
might see it even if you're not wearing it. They're
so used to seeing you with it, they might see
it in their head, you know what I mean. I
do love what you're saying though is very true though,
because like, uh, I mean, like if you're a fan

(13:30):
of somebody, you know what I'm saying, Like, like let's say, uh,
this is the best example that that we always use.
I know I do. But like if let's say you
meet haulk Kogan. You want to meet haulk Kogan, brother?
What's going on? You know? You don't want to be
like are you doing I'm the Hulkster. You know what
I'm saying. You want to fucking Hulk Koger, not Terry Bellarry.
You know what I'm saying. But now people know the

(13:51):
everywhere Koger wasn't broken, had to warm himself out doing
fucking VH one ship and all that. Now he's rich
again from that law suit. But you know what I'm saying, So, yeah,
we got to see the real side of him. But
I'm staying in general, like fans want to see they
want to see who the fuck the video is, you know, saying,
who's on that record. They don't want to see Joey You.
They want to see Shaggy Tootope. You know what I'm saying.

(14:13):
So and that's that they want the Batman. You are
serving that so hard and the dedication to that's insane
because I certainly have not had that in my life. Like,
there'll be weeks I'm like, funk, yeah, and then there'll
be weeks I'm like not doing it. And I think
that that's something that you guys have had that I've
always you always think of your makeup when you think
of you. I personally just don't know. I know that

(14:35):
probably for your fans it's like you dumb bitch, But
I don't know the significance behind the clown makeup. Oh,
I'll tell you what, Where is the origin? Where it started? Um?
Where we're from, Well, where we're from when we became rampers.
I should say we're from all s all sides of
each east east Downtown. I get into that some other day.

(14:59):
But were we were living when we when we became rappers. Right, Um,
it's a neighborhood and there was a there's a boat
doc in that neighborhood. It's right und the Detroit River,
and there was an amusement park called Babolo okay. And
what you did was you would car cars from the
suburbs would would and the city whatever they would park

(15:22):
at this boat doc. There was two boat docks. We
we lived right by one in southwest Detroit. You would
park your car, you get on this boat and it's
a three hour ride to this amusement park on this island.
And that ride was awesome. By the way, on the
Bobolo boat, it was a party. It was so cool,
you know. The kid that was like you gotta go

(15:43):
on the Babalo boat. That was like fucking that was
just the thing to do. And then you get to
this amusement park and it was like, you know, uh,
like any amuse any good amusement park. Right, No, it wasn't.
It was. It was like a glorified you know, it's
just a bigger music park, right. So um, after a while,

(16:05):
we started to notice the cars on the way to
Bablon coming from the suburbs, right. They would be driving
through the city and and some of the some of
the sobowss trades pretty banged up and burned up, burned
out houses or whatever, you know what I'm saying. And
you've seen people looking out the window and when they
see us a crossing the street or whatever, you hear
the cars locked, you know what I mean. And we

(16:28):
started saying we're part of the Bablo, were part of Bablo.
This is the freak show, you know, before before you
get on the boat, We're the freak show, you know,
because everybody's little kids in the back window looking at
you know, and we felt like we're the freak show
to Bablo, you know, to the to the amusement park.
So when we wrapped began rapping, that was our theory.

(16:48):
We had everything figured out, you know what I mean.
And and um, we had a clown that was a
um like the Jester, and he would do cart wheels
and and and all kinds of things, like was like
a rip off of Flavor flav you know. He was
a hype man. You no, no, this is the beginning
of our career. Yeah yeah, yeah there, that's awesome. But

(17:11):
they took it down years ago. But yeah, we just
you know, we had this clown as our hype man.
And when people would look at the photos of the group,
everybody be like, whoa, who's that guy? He's awesome, pointing
right to the clown with the like funny he said
glitter because we're all about that, you know what I mean.
He'd have sequence pants on and you know, Michael Jackson Mota,

(17:31):
he would actually throw glitter. He would throw glitter around,
you know him. You know, So we hadn't even put
any music out of anything, done anything seriously. So the
next step was we're all clowns, you know, and um,
and we tied it in with the thing about going
to Bablow, you know, and the freak show begins here
in southwest Detroit, you know. And so that's where that was.

(17:54):
That was the original concept, you know what I mean,
that's so cool. I definitely we thought it was going
to be from like I think I read you had
a dream about a clown or you saw a clown
in a forest. So I have no idea that was
a significance behind the clown, but I like what you
said that we're all clowns. You now, we call it nowadays,

(18:17):
we call everything that has to do with the clown
and the carnival that it's has become. We call all
that the Dark Carnival. That's the name we've given it.
And the Dark Carnival is something that's in our lives.
We've given it the name the Dark Carnival, you know,
but it's something in our lives, and it's sort of

(18:38):
like that as already think where Christian that's okay, I'm
really into like I'm into spirituality and being a like
a crazy motherfucker. So I get whatever you're gonna give
you the truth, right, just this is this is my

(18:58):
my God's honest true It's okay. Um, when I look
back at our music, right, uh, there are certain songs
that I'll be the next day. I'll bet I'll be
at studio next day reading the lyrics before I go
into the booth. And I'm like, I have no recollection
of writing this song. I did not write this song.

(19:19):
You know. It's some of it. I'm laughing at it
or I'm like, oh that's dope. And I know I
did not write this yet supposedly that's supposed to be
for me, and I know in my heart and soul
that's not for me. Like I I never had a
fascination with horror movies. I never had a fascination with carnivals,

(19:39):
did you. I mean it was you know, and um, somehow,
you know, certain elements to our music were ghost written
by this presence that we've named the Dark Time. You know,
we name it, and I think I think the same presence. Okay,

(20:00):
Like for example, you know, Michael Jackson used to say,
I'm we're huge Michael Jackson fans By the way, Michael
Jackson used to say, um when you know, he would
call his producer at four in the morning and be like, hey,
make this beat, and he would be, you know, beat
boxing it out in the producer would be like, yahn,
and oh ship, Mike, can't we do this in the morning.
And he used to joke and say no, because when

(20:20):
the when the inspirations, when when you get the messages
from above, you've got to take them and work on
them now, or they might give it the prints. That's
what Michael Jackie used to say. And a lot of
people that that are artists of any kind of way,
where whether it's music like us, or it's you know,

(20:43):
painting a picture or anything. I think some if they
if they're successful and they've got people coming up to
them saying wonderful things. You know, some of it. You know,
you can't take credit for what they're saying. You're like, no,
Like I completely understand. I feel like sometimes I'm a

(21:03):
conduit and all I have to do is open my
brain up and almost just like empty it and be like, Okay,
what do you want? What's up? Like I'm not even
I'm not a religious person either, I'm not like I've
never really been accused of it personally, but it's just
like you have to be this conduit for whatever message
is coming. I don't know if it's a zeit guist,

(21:25):
if it's the universe, if it's a god to some people,
I think it's kind of all the same thing. It's
this collective consciousness where you're providing this place for people
to feel at home with. They see themselves in you,
and by channeling whatever is coming out, like people are
going to see that and feel more comfortable and more

(21:46):
okay with themselves and just feel okay. I really do
think that music makes people feel understood and okay. Oh yeah.
Music music, music itself is a miracle. It's some miracle.
If scientists can figure out music, they would they get
together with two other scientists and they would create the

(22:07):
ultimate album that's gonna sell to every fan on earth,
and they would sell fifty billion albums because they created
the masterpiece, because they can figure out music. But that
don't happen because they can't figure out music. Nobody can
figure out music. Love is a miracle. Love is can't
you can't put that in a pillar. Scientists would be

(22:29):
selling that up to following an up sat. Well, they've
been trying to do that. I think that's called molly.
But I and I also have seen that there have
been robots made to make music and it doesn't produce
quote unquote hit songs. It doesn't even really connect because
what I think the missing pieces is the soul. And

(22:50):
that's that's the place where you provide. You provide, I provide.
You can't just create a soul. You can't computer generate
a soul. I'm sorry, I just don't think you can.
Well think about this way. What if when you're writing
a song, right, and you're listening to the music and
you're really lost in music, right, what if something from

(23:12):
the other side, and we all agree there's another side, right,
I mean the other side. It might be called Heaven.
It might be it might be it might be God, Jesus,
it might be Allah, it might be Buddha. We don't know.
We all have different opinions on what's on the other side, right,
But let's say something from the other side. While you're

(23:32):
in your trance listening to the music you're really vibing.
What if some angel comes in who used to be
a writer or an artist when when when they were
on earth, she was on earth or he was on earth,
and they come to you and they see you vibing
now and it's you and the music is such a
powerful thing and your aura is so bright and colorful

(23:55):
that they see that and they come over and they
start assisting you in your right eating and they start
suggesting lines and things like that, and you don't know it,
you don't realize it, but the music has taking you
in such a trance that you're actually connecting to the
other side and you're coming out with this writing essentially
isn't all yours? So then when you look back at

(24:16):
it the next day, you're like, what the fuck? What
is this? I didn't write you know, I did write this,
though I totally know what you're saying. I have a
friend of my mom's tell me that Jeff Buckley was
one of my spirit guides. Do you know Jeff Buckley
is Hallelujah, Hallelujah? Do you remember that one song? And

(24:37):
he covered it and that was one of the most
successful ones he had, But he passed away, And I've
been told that he's one of my spirit guides. So
sometimes when I'm stuck on a song, or I can't
figure something out. I swear some ship comes out of
me that I'm like, I can't take credit for that.
I don't know who. You know, That's what I'm saying.
It's exactly what I'm saying. You know, people come up

(24:57):
and say, oh man, thank you for the Juggalo world,
and we're like you the ones that made it. Not
jug world was not in our blueprints. You know, we
did not playing this out. You know, this happened. Our
blueprint was famous rappers. That was it. That was what
I'm saying, you know, and when everything happened, it's as

(25:20):
much as a blessing to anybody who who didn't have
anything to belong to and now they have this just
you know subculture, the small subculture that's very real and
very authentic in in unique. You know, it's saving their life.
It's saving a lot of life too, you know what
I mean. We didn't save their life the Juggalo world.

(25:43):
It's like, you know, it's not us that planned it out.
It's not a marketing tool, you know what I mean.
It's not anything like when we so much didn't plan
it out, and it's so much not a marketing tool.
We didn't even come up with the name Juggalo that.
We didn't even come up with that. You know a
lot of people like call their fans something whatever, like
what the call their fans lambs or some ship or

(26:03):
you know, believers and ship. You know what I'm saying. Like,
we never here came up with that. You know, we
to this day we kind of like trying to figure
out the roots where I came from and ship, you
know what I'm saying. But like we didn't actually like
juggalos came up with that people, because why do you
guys call juggalos juggles. Why do you guys call them juggles.
We don't call them nothing. That that name came from

(26:24):
somewhere where everything else came from. It wasn't in the plans.
We don't have no plans. This is as much as
it's a blessing to the t Juggalos, it's also a
blessing to us. You know, this is something that's happening
to all of us Juggalos and it's wonderful. And when
when people say this, man, I just want to thank
you guys for saving my life. Man, your music saved

(26:44):
my life. First thing I say is look, man, I
appreciate that, but you got that wrong. Man. Our music
it's like a Bombas song in the gym, and playing
in the gym, you're the one pump and iron, all right.
The music is just expiring, inspiring. You know, it's making
you jump rope, mad quick whatever. But you're the one

(27:06):
saved your own life. You're just looking for a uh
an explanation for why you're still alive. But you did that.
You saved your life. Give yourself the credit. Give yourself
the credit. And sometimes feel like when they I've had
that been said to me by my fans. They're my
animals and I fucking love them. But I remember at

(27:28):
one point this one girl came up and said, you
saved my life, and I was like, no, no, no,
you have saved my life. You have given my life purpose,
you have given my life direction. I would not know
what to do without you. So like, this is this
is what love is like. It's the first like really

(27:49):
truly such a loving relationship. And I think that's one
of the coolest parts about you and your fans that
I look up to so much and I admire it.
It's so beautiful. I think lot of people that that
have saved themselves. They don't that their minds automatically don't
think about I did this. I'm still here. You know.
They're looking for somebody to credit, you know, for what

(28:11):
they've done. And and I say, look, you know when
people don't get it, they're like, no, man, it was
it was Dark Carnival. And you guys, I'll say, listen, man,
no offense. I don't want to say the wrong thing
and make make you upset. But this is the bottom line. Brother,
we don't even know your name. You know how we
save your life? You saved your life, man, Like you know,

(28:34):
all we did was make some bomb ass rap songs.
You save your life, man, And if the Dark Corndals
saved it, that's between you and whatever you see the
Dark Carnival as you know what I mean. But man,
you know you did it. You're strong enough. You just
didn't know it. You're strong enough to survive it, man,
And how can you think? People have a hard time
giving themselves that credit. And they almost need somebody to

(28:56):
be in it with them, you know, which is why happened,
and groups of fans happen, and then juggalos happen, and
then the gathering happens is because it feels really good.
I'll be a part of the same thing, especially from
people that aren't accepted in other like you know, like
their peer groups and ship. You know, like people that

(29:16):
you know they sit alone our house, they get even
cyber bullied all that ship, you know, and uh, it
gives me somewhere to belong, you know. And we accept
them open arms, you know, because we're we're at the
heart of it. We ain't known but a couple of
fucking scrubs, you know, subs to scrubs to the fucking
t you know what I'm saying, No questions and the
thing we always we always got to stop and put
ourselves in check, like, holy shit, man, look what the

(29:38):
funk we got? You know what say because it's it's
it's very hard sometimes to comprehend that it's us in
our shoes, you know what I'm saying. It's like, what
then did we do to deserve this ship? You know?
It's crazy, very very fucking crazy. Being open and honest
with who you are. I think people respond to you
just like painting your face and talking about the ship

(30:00):
you talk about and being honest and just being yourself
I really think that that gives it empowers people to
also feel like they can do it too. It's staggering
because for some reason we landed in this position where
we are the ones responsible for the music, you know,

(30:21):
but this movement, this this crew of people, this subculture,
it's dopeness and it's existence and everything doesn't have anything
to do with us, and we're not controlling it. Or
it's some things we do they don't like, you know,
some things, they reject some of the music. They're not
feeling that there's there's a ship ton of Juggalos that

(30:41):
don't even listen to I c P. The lifestyle, that
there's so many Juggalo bands and rap groups and ship
now that you don't even need us in your fucking
life to be a Juggalo and participate in it no more.
You know what's crazy is there there's rap groups in
the Juggalo world. Did did raise kids? Raise kids comfortably?

(31:05):
I'll say um. Touring and making music and selling merchandise
is selling things like that two fans in nobody will
even hear anything about them outside of the Jugglo world.
Like people don't people think that just come inside the
juggle the world. There's there's all kinds of music here,

(31:27):
you know what I mean, there's all kinds of artists here.
And if that artist just exists in the juggalo world,
they may never be heard about outside of it. But
does it really matter? Because what are Juggals? Essentially? They're people?
I mean, it's not like I mean, you tell me
they're just I thought they were, you're fans, but you're

(31:47):
telling me they don't even have to listen to your music.
So it's its own culture. Juggles just people that that.
You know, not too many people are like, I'm a
Juggler or I'm not a Juggalo. When we have a
cont everybody just considers everybody there a juggle though, you
know what I mean. It's like it's no there's no
initiation to get in or who's in officially and who's not.

(32:09):
You got like like you know, like like just like
a lot a lot of a lot of reporters and
ship like that. You know, our writers you know that
come into our ship, Oh are survived it and this
and that. It's like, but they always go in thinking
that they're gonna get funk with and they're gonna get
sucked up but they always end up leaving like, Yo,
that was the bomb. Everybody's crazy nice. No, nobody's gonna

(32:29):
beefing with each other. No, nobody you know, with open arms,
got accepted all that good stuff. You know. You know
what I compared to it. It's kind of weird, but
I compared to this. It's like the furies. You know what.
The furies are the people that like to have sex
with people in first time. Check it out. Check it out.
My daughter a couple of years ago was was was

(32:50):
a furry Yeah, and I took my daughter to a
furry convention in Chicago. Right, furies are not tell me
about that, please, for the love of god. Furies are
people like everybody else, right, They like to put on
the costume they have. There's not twenty people walking around

(33:12):
with the same costume at a furry convention. Every costume
is unique. A lot of people make their own costumes
or they go to people who make costumes. Right, I
just read this today. That's called their first son of correct.
It is first what what they create? They create a character, right,
and they like to escape. They like to be put

(33:34):
their furry suit on and they get to escape. You
know what, I mean, and they get to be this
thing like whatever they've decided they want to be. And
that kind of like me, like, that's what I thought
when he first told me about I was like, didn't
that We're a bunch of weirdoes to get together fucking
some mascot suits. Not the people think they have sex.

(33:54):
I'm gonna tell you where that came from. I'll tell
you where that came from. You know, when it's such
a shame too when people don't understand something. When they
see a bunch of people having fun and they don't
understand it, what are they gonna do. They're gonna knock it.
They're gonna diss it because they're not having fun, they're
not involved in anything. They're gonna be like, look at
this weird ship. You might have seen them around the ship.

(34:17):
And so here's where the sex thing came from. Their
interviewing a couple of furies and they're like, so what
do you do when your costumes as furries anything? You know,
we like to wear them and hang out. So do
you The writers like, so do you have sex in them?
And they look at each other share you know, they
something like that will snowball the writer goes home. People

(34:40):
get together, put their uh animal costumes on and have sex.
That's what they do. You know that snowballs into their
whole thing is all about sex. Man, is there groups
of furries they get together and just funk. I'm sure,
but that's not what they do. That's not every groups
of people get together and fucking you know, that's what

(35:00):
people do. They so the stupid divers in astronauts, you know,
I mean, that's basically that's how we survived. You know.
It's sad because they get labeled for that, you know,
but all that is is the media did and people
laughing on it and throwing gas on the fire because
they don't understand what furies do, so they not getting

(35:23):
they make fun of it. And it's funny because you
were talking about the reporters that come to the gathering
and they write these stories where they do like a
week long piece and they're like, I'm going to the
gathering in three days. Look, you know, oh god, I'm
so scared. Two days I'm going. You know, they all
come back, all of them. I've never seen different, and

(35:43):
they're like, man, I got there, I was dinat thirst.
Eight different juggalos must have came up and offered me
a cold bottle of water. I couldn't believe it. And
I don't look anything like a Juggalo, you know. I
thought my friends told me I'm gonna get lynch for
if I don't. If I'm not one of them, they
if they think you're not one of them, they're like, welcome,
And I swear to you, I don't mean one or two.

(36:05):
I mean that is the thing to do. In the
Juggle world. It's so much kindness. There's not We're talking
about fifteen thousand Juggalos right, A lot of them inebriated
in some form right their party, and there there's not
one fight, not one fight, not one fight between us.

(36:27):
If there was a fight, the other Juggles would be
breaking it up so fucking quick. They'd be like, what
the funk are you doing? Man? And yet like in
in in in l a one time, indeavor, one time,
all the Juggles are lined up before the show. They're
having a blast. Um. Oh no, at the gathering. I'm sorry.
At the gathering, somebody got stabbed. It was all over

(36:50):
the paper. Somebody got stabbed at the gathering before you finished,
mind you, this is a fucking festival with tens of
thousands of people. Think that you can't make sure every
single person acts a very specific way if you're fucked
up at a music festival. Nobody can do that. That
that the sabbing was front and center of every story
about the jugglers, right, you know what it turns out

(37:13):
who got sabbed? Two hot dog venders were fighting over
the fucking prices and one stat another one and do
it were just some hot dogs and you make the
boss and runs with it to the moon man. And
look now when you when you think about furries. I

(37:33):
used to laugh with him too, you know when I
was at have furry outfits on stage, and I have
been a party to running around in a furry I
just didn't know there was a whole culture about it.
I thought it was like to be a furry you
have to want to have sex in a furry outfit,
or to be a juggler you have to go to
the gathering. But you're saying like there is no initiation.

(37:56):
You can just be a juggler and you can be
a fury if you just like people are juggal. They
don't even know it. You know, it's crazy yes, I'm
a Juggalo and I might be a fury. You guys
are so awesome. There's such one of the people, same
judgment five minutes ago, and I have completely you go
fucked my mind. I think I'm a Juggalo and I

(38:16):
think I'm a furier. Okay, please, I am I'm a Juggalo.
Furry point of me. I'm like, I don't got the
furry thing down. My daughter ordered a um furry costume
from the internet and we got ripped off. You know.
It didn't look nothing like what we thought it was
gonna And so we made this thing for the internet.

(38:38):
It was called snake Busters, you know, and we put
that out in all kinds of furry side and it's
on YouTube. Man, it was so much furry love coming
our way because I went to that furry convention. They're like, oh,
it's them from snake Busters. They were so much love. Man.
I was trying on the side of my to the

(38:58):
point where our last record was called Fred Fury. People
start calling a Fred Fury. Are you a Fury now too?
I kind of feel like, back in my mind, you
want to see my furry suit? Yes I do. I'll
have some of my guy grab me. It's a real ship.
It looks like his mouth movesly talks and everything. It's

(39:19):
have like a full Do you want to see is
my penis suit out there? Hold on? You want to
see my fury suit? Well, our people will go look
for our fury suits because I have a defunct out
of furry up. It's too like now that I'm thinking
about it, I like to have it on stage and
in my spare time. I love dressing up as like

(39:42):
a unicorn or a cat or just squirrel. That's the
thing you could be all kind of There's so many
cool things. There was like maybe six girls at this
convention were my penis suit isn't at this location unfortunately,
but I do want to see your furrasy. There was
like six girls that were like I think they were mice,

(40:05):
but um they were together in the way their their
design was. They were their suits and everything. The way
they were designing. How can I say this? They like
we're accenting like their butt in their their boobs, you know,
the way they're they're they're not not saying in real life.
I mean like the way they're furry suit there forsonas

(40:26):
they were these mice with they all have big boobs
and big butts, and they're like on roller skates, you know,
and you don't know who they were in real life
in those masks, but those mice were turning me on,
you get what I'm saying, because there's like six of them,
and I just want to stand next to them and
be like, what do you guys doing the night? You

(40:47):
know what I mean? Because they're like and then it
took the helmet off. It had been a fifteen year
old boy anything, you know, but that that was what's cool.
They they're living in this alternate, this different identity for
the weekend, you know what I mean. Like, it don't
matter who they who, what they look like in real life,
or even if it was a boy, They're being what
they want to be that weekend. You know, there are

(41:09):
furies that they have hung out with other furies and
they've never even seen each other outside of their for
for sonas. You know, Oh my god, I'm so it's cool.
Anybody out there like that that that that is watching
you got to be sold on fucking furry ship now,
you know, you're so excited that I'm like, I'm sweating.

(41:34):
I can't wait to I'm just exciting. I'm excited that.
Like I think that's cool. Like you know, I'm I'm
I haven't gone to another convention or anything. And my
daughter's since moved on. My daughter is not into UM
that that anymore. You know, she's moved on to other things.
She's into UM. But I think it was cool because like,

(41:54):
for example, like I remember, UM. I don't want to
sound like a sucker either saying this ship, but like
there was a there was a long hallway between two
areas of the hotel, you know, and it was a long,
brutal hallway, and I've seen this this woman walking down
it and she was I don't even know why I'm
saying this, but she was. She was really really big,

(42:17):
you know what I mean. He's probably I don't know
how many pounds. Yeah, And she had a furry mask on, right,
and she didn't have to, you know, and I just thought,
you know what, fucking sucks hair, that's furry hell, you
know what I thought? You know, you know what fucking sucks. Man.
She don't get to be nobody else, you know what
I'm saying. Like if anybody knows, sir, they're like oh,

(42:39):
here comes Wendy. You know what I'm saying, or whatever,
She could be a furry. I feel like that's why
I like the furry land. Your describing as where you
can be whoever you want to be. I'm saying, if
you want to. If she wanted to disguise herself so
nobody knew if she was in hiding, you know what
I mean. I just felt like it broke my heart
once I understood but furries, and then I saw her,

(43:00):
I thought, I mean, it sucks if if she if
like if I would be, I would be tending like
I don't even know it's her. If I knew her personally,
I would act like I didn't know that was her.
You get what I'm saying, Like everybody could be somebody else. Yeah,
because you are trying to create a different reality than

(43:22):
Oh my god, this is right here. Kung fu kung
fu Joe, Holy sh it, hold on, Can my people
look at this because it's sucking insane, so it looks
like you don't know it's crazy. He's even got the
wig looking at it. Listen, cut, it's not fariness that

(43:47):
I'm super into. It's the idea of freedom to let
people do what they want to do, you know, and
don't don't have the media not get because they don't
get it. Like like the same kind of things they
put furry through they put juggalos to. That's what a
connection is now coming in. Yeah, yeah, I just like

(44:11):
Tom in love with your furry outfit. I now that
we're like talking about it, I feel like this is
a therapy session. Do you ever remember seeing the Robin
Hood cartoon with the fox, which one with the one
Robin Hood of the cartoon? Yea, the fox. He kind
of looks like Robin Hood as a fox, And I
used to like that was one of my first crushes.
That was the first time I knew I had a crush.

(44:33):
There you go, there you go furry little but no
like seriously like like like the like the bottom line
to all that ship is is, you know, mainstream media
will look at furries and I don't understand it in
this or the same thing with juggalos. You know what
I'm saying. Once you get to know juggalos, they're just
they're just it's just people, you know what I'm saying.

(44:56):
They have families, They go home and eat dinner, they
go to bed and get up for not even just people,
it's good people. It's good creative people. It's supportive people.
And it's like we always say we will take one
Juggalo over a fucking thousand just normal fucking lay mass fans.
You know what I'm saying, One Juggalo means way more
to us than just some room full of assholes all
day because Juggalos are so supportive. It's it's sometimes it's

(45:23):
and we don't feel worthy, you know what I'm saying.
I mean, they're so supportive. It's just wow, man, it's
mind blowing you with my fans too, Like I feel
you and I don't have Juggalos. Well you know you've
got you've got supportive fans that will be there for
you through life and death. Right, That's I don't know
what I did to deserve that. Like sometimes I'm really

(45:47):
it's your talent. It's your talent. It's it's you be
an awesome person combined with your talent. That's it. Enough said.
You know, I tell rappers when they when they when
they when they want to come out there? Like do
you have any know what? Do you have any advice?
I say, do you have friends that like you? They're like, yeah,
you've got a lot of friends. Yeah, You're like, is
there any girls that like you? Dude, I got a

(46:09):
lot of girls. All right, find out what it is
that attracted the girls. Find out what it is that
me your homies like you, and put that in your
music because other people are gonna hear that too and
be attracted to you, you know, And I know that's
what we did. We wrapped about are like all are
all in like neighborhoods, slang everything, you know what, talking

(46:31):
about not having no money, driving a piece of ship bucket.
We wrapped about you know, right, we weren't at the
clubs popping bottle. We're behind the club's parent change. Yeah,
and the bottles from the clubs and getting kicked out
of the clubs. I'm with you at the beginning, like
now I could probably well there's no clubs, but I

(46:51):
feel you. I feel like just being honest about where
you actually come from. That's really good advice to musicians
is what are your friends like about you? What are
the girl you date like about you? Before you get money,
you get successful, Yeah, don't don't, because that's when you're
a real person. Don't whatever you become careful about adding that.
You know, add what that when you start off the

(47:16):
person you are, that's what connects you, That's what makes
you real. That's what people come out. That's why people
like when you first call out, That's why they associate
with you so much more because you're on the same levels.
Then you're not a superstar up here where you're untouchable,
you know what I'm saying. So it's more relatable. You know,
she keep that in your pocket, man, Like right now,
when you when you're talking like this right now, your

(47:38):
fans watching this, they're like, you know, for maybe for
the first time, they're like, man, she's so real, man,
you know what I mean. They might feel like they're alone,
and then when they see you, they're like, ding, I'm
not alone. She's just you know, they know your music
relates to them. And then when they see you talking,
they're like, man, I would hang out with her. She
would probably hang out with me. If they would love

(48:05):
to hang out with my fans. God, I would kill
the hang out with my fans right now, you know
what I mean. But they're thinking, they're thinking, man, if
we lived in the same city, should probably hang out
with me. You know, and you would, and that's that's
when they feel like they realized they're not alone, and
your music does more than just rock them. It's fucking therapy.

(48:25):
It's like, man, you know what I mean, They're I'm
not They're realizing they're not alone, they do have something
to belong to. They they're not the only one like that,
you know what I mean. Yeah, I think that's something
that we have in common. That's like why I was
so stoked to get you guys on here, and I
was like, we can just bullshit about whatever, and we
ended up talking about for a reason. I'm so happy
we did. Like I'm converted. I'm fully converted, but I

(48:49):
do think we haven't. I'm gonna tell you what me
and Joey said with me and Shaggy said when we
heard about this interview. This is how this is how
we defined, this is how we viewed you. If we
want in do an after party after an awards ceremony
or some kind of um, you know, in the industry party,

(49:11):
right and everybody's there, I'm not bullshit and I'm not
seeing this just to be you know, I'm being totally honest.
And we saw you were there we would go up
and sit by you quicker than we would anybody else,
because even though you've got that success, you just see,
first of all, your music is the ship. It's not

(49:32):
like other people ship at all. In the voices you use.
This ship man, that's fearless. I'll tell you. I'll tell
you what what what made me, what sold me and
you being real was I'm not sure what it was,
but you put out some ship. This was a while
ago where and it's like some whole movie type ship.
It's like, you know, some all access DVD or something,
you know what saying. I don't know what country you're in,

(49:54):
but you're chilling on a boat in your highlander. Just
some guy another fucking boat and he ends up coming
to your show and ship. You know what I'm saying.
I'm like, some dude, he's at a chilling at the show.
I was like, I thought that was awesome and ship,
you know, back in my single days and you could
be on boats and Holly, that was some of the

(50:15):
realest ship I've seen. Like an artist, do you know,
especially of your caliber, you know saying, fucking pop stars
don't do that, But you did feel great, Fearless done
I don't know what anybody else says. I just know
that they're they're they're fucked up, because that's just like
real human ship right there. That's how ship just goes

(50:36):
down normally every day in real people's lives, you know what. Well,
like you're saying love is the most magical thing in
the world, and I really think it is. I think
always pursuing like love, whether it's with your fans, whether
it's with your friends or a loved one or kids,
which I don't have yet, but like, just like the
pursuit of more and more and more love is like

(50:57):
that's all I want. Like, you know, that's all around this. Seriously,
you might not, it might not be as rewarding as
love or music, but it's a miracle, I guarantee it.
Lightning bugs bugs, just because lightning bugs have been here
our whole life don't mean they ain't fucking incredible. I

(51:18):
haven't never taken a lightning bug, for granted. I am
from Nashville, Tennessee, and I used to catch those little
motherfucker's and kiss them and set them free. They can
make their ask glow. What other animals do you ask
your Come on, man, if there was some way to
make your ask glow. You wouldn't do it, you know

(51:40):
what I mean? What other animal can do that? I
mean to get that happening? How does any how does
any animal or any living creature create light? And then
we're not the out of his hands, out of its ass.
It's that's gonna be my furry outfit. I'm gonna be

(52:04):
lightning blood. You can make a light up just ten
seconds at a time. You gotta do that, and I
have to be a lightning make your ass light up
in your cuss going on over here? What lightning blood?

(52:24):
You fucked up? That is so dope? That is I
haven't gotten to literally, I have so many questions for
you guys, but I never got to any of hit
me too. I just blabber. It's um okay, I'm gonna

(52:45):
ask you some like just fun whatever questions and you
can pass if you don't like them. Okay, if you're
a ghost, what's going to be your style of hunting?
How are you gonna hunt people? Man? I'm gonna fucking
just pants, motherfucker's underwear underwears too, you know, sat pants
and underwears. Oh I love that, so just full on

(53:06):
fucking dick hanging out. Well, you know, you see, how
are we gonna hunt people? How are you gonna hunt people? Yeah?
Like you do you know how to believe you'll be
a ghost? Do you think you're going to be a ghost?
What a ghost? Stuck wherever they're stuck? I don't want
to be there, you know what I'm saying. Miserable? Maybe
do is like flip something like a switch or something. Alright,

(53:30):
youah break a dish or something. And they just hang
out in the abandon house and once a year so
the kids come playing there, and then they dress from
the hunters for some reason. Sty life. You don't see,
you don't see like no ghosts is dressed like in
like some Guccy hook up. I'm saying. They're always like
wearing some bonnet and some apron and they only just
show for like a second. Yeah, and they really mad.

(53:53):
They'll scratch you right there, their name in your back
with there Now that's all they get to do is
scratch you when they get really this Okay, Well, I
if I'm a ghost, now, I'm gonna wear my finest
Gucci ship and I'm gonna wear like crazy heels and
a long ass wig. It's gonna be cool, right you
know where I'm gonna tell you something. I know you,

(54:14):
I know you'd appreciate this. You like watching YouTube? You
ever watch YouTube? I have heard of it. I live,
I live for you. YouTube is the greatest thing in
the world. There's no program director at YouTube. Anybody can
have a show. Anybody can have a show. It's equal
opportunity on YouTube. You can put whatever then you want.
You're right now. I love the funk out of YouTube.

(54:36):
The fact that this is happening right now is like
fucking insane nowadays. Ship, you know what I'm saying, Kesha
having a podcast, but that's like crazy ship that's never
gonna happened in the nineties, you know what I'm saying.
Um on YouTube, there's a channel called um Impossible. What's
it called the game? You're so cited about it? And

(55:01):
then he can't remember the ship the impossible channel. That's it? Okay?
I like you talk about ghosts in unexplained happenings in
aliens and they got footage of everything everything. Yeah, no,
that's not okay. You brought up big Foot. Hey, it's

(55:21):
gonna come up eventually anyhow. You monest with. But yeah,
I need to know about Bigfoot because that's the one
thing I personally haven't had an encounter with that you
haven't had one, or you have, no, I haven't. Right now,
I'm gonna teach you right now how to have an encounter.
You'll never forget. There's a documentary that just came out.
It's called Discovering Bigfoot, all right. It just came out everywhere,

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and it's on YouTube of course, everywhere. This guy is
out two hundred miles away from civilization. He's not just
some guy. It's not Bob from the Junkyard. It's not
some crazy guy. It's a university is out there studying
looking for Bigfoot, and they have million dollar equipment out there.

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They are burrowed under the ground in these tree costumes,
bush costume so they can lay in the dark and
lay for hours with these infrared cameras and super cameras
to focus in and they wait there for days on end,
and they Okay, Bigfoot's I may sound crazy till you

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watched that. It sounds crazy to be dressed up like
a bush and plant yourself in the ground for multiple days.
That doesn't until you film Bigfoot's face on his eye.
Did you see him around his face? I'll be the
skeptic right quick. They're the only beef I have what

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it No, No, I'm saying. I'm saying like they don't
look like Harry and the Henderson's. You know what I'm saying.
They look like look like they look like they're made
out of clay or something. They focus cities special face.
Three of them they focusing on. It's their face. And
you're thinking, well, that's not even moving. Then you see
this motherfucker blink. It's so you see the muscles in

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his forehead and everything blink. And this motherfucker is seven
foot six and there's focused on his face. I'm not
telling about just see about this that I can't wait
to watch it, but I have to see it. I
will the clip. I'm not telling about some black and

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white grany fucking footage. We see his butt running from
you from forty miles away. I'm talking about full color,
full I can't remember he and what's he's doing. He's
waiting because he knows they're there, but he doesn't realize
how close they are. He's what's called a day watcher,
and he's watching for his tribe of big big feet

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than one called big feet. They must be big big
do they have big feet? Wait, I need to see
a picture of this. Who you are. If you're over
seven feet tall, you got big feet? You know right now?
If if I was, if I was computer wig, well
as I jump on that computer and pull it up
right now, it's show you his face is right there.

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They show three different big feet up close, like man,
they're standing there. They show like a female big foot
that actually kind of pretty, you know, compared to the
ugly male big big broad. Her eyes are cute compared
to the ugliest dude the dudes to take the dude

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out the whole fucking equation and then look at that
broad again and tell me she's cute. Man, if civilization
she ain't that? Yeah, you're raised out there. It's a
mountain man. Maybe look you can go and just wait.
It's called it's so excited. You can't show that here
you you look it up? They okay, look at everyone

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needs to watch what is it called again? Discovering me? Okay,
and we all need to start a discussion on whether
or not the lady bigfoot is attractive. Would you bang
the lady the chicken bigfoot, all right, one through ten,
scatter one there. Oh, he just got the picture of it.

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I love you see let me see the picture. Yeah,
I hold it closer. He's gonna focus in on it
for you. Okay. No, it looks like a fucking burnt
marshmallow or something that's bad. It looks like Burt Reynolds.
They've got Reynolds, They've got um burnt. They got a

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shot at him with nothing in the way, just full color,
just his face, chilling. They got was that the big first?
That's one of them, three different big feats. And they
also climbing. They show him climbing a mountain. They show
him on climbing footage of them doing all kinds of ship.
Why is this not national? That's what I'm wondering. Okay, here,

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you know, that's what I'm saying. The same reason, the
same reason that news don't report on aliens, because their
colleagues at the check it out. That's crazy. It is crazy.
They don't talk about the They did send it out
to the news right when they have this footage. They
sent it out to the news and one of the
news stations picked it up, showed it and then said,
it's obviously fake. Right, they sued that channel that news sound.

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They're like, oh, it's fake, motherfucker, that's real, and they
sued the channel and got paid. But I would need
to see a picture of this on my phont it's real, man,
Jesus could come back to Earth and walk through a wall.
Nobody would believe it. You know what I'm saying. It's like,
I don't know if she's hot. That's that you don't
think she's banging. Let me see the one you're looking

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at whatever. You don't got the one of her in
her bikini. There's a there's a mean one, and then
there's one it looks like a Kuala bear. That's what
I'm saying. You're like, looks scary. You know, I'm gonna goetter. Okay,

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I'm gonna watch that tonight. I know what I have
to do today. And okay, I asked you, like one
more scary question, because I haven't asked you anything. So
I'm gonna ask you one question. I think I know
the answer to this. Do you believe in the supernatural?
Of course? Absolutely? About you experiencing it. I've experienced very one,

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very minor thing. But you know, what do you believe
in the secret? Yeah? I do. That's supernatural right there. Oh,
I believe in why I have this podcast. You know,
when we were kids, we had a wrestling ring in
our backyard, and I mean, we were so certain that
we're gonna grow up to be wrestlers. Whenever they were
talking about in school, we didn't give a We didn't

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we didn't care what they were saying in school. We're like,
we're going to be wrestlers. We used to brag about it.
They were like, shut up. We were so certain we're
gonna be wrestlers. We would have passed a lot of
detective tests then it said, are you going to be wrestlers? Yes,
and we would have passed it. That's how certain we were.
But then when we turned seventeen and eighteen, hip hop

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started taking over our lush, our love for you know,
all our love in our hearts, and we were fighting it.
We did not want to We wanted to be wrestlers,
that's all we know. Then we're fighting it, fighting it.
Finally we made the decision. We looked at each other,
we're going to be rappers. We let it go. We
said we're gonna rap four living then we knew we're
gonna be rappers. Right fast forward and when up I

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was twenty six, we fast forward to our first gold record.
What happens. We're out there living our hip hop dreams.
We knew what happened. All of a sudden, Vince McMahon
calls us. W W called us and said, we want
to make We want you to make the ring music
for a tag team we have called the Oddities, and

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you guys are the insane Clumbos worked perfect. And then
we're like, hold on, do you know we wrestle And
they're like, what are you talking about? You wrestle. We're like,
we wrestle. Next thing here. They put us on a
plane and flew us down to to Stanford and we
wrestled for this mc mahan and we appeared at SummerSlam.
We started. My point is hard before you I just

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want I just wanted like super like concrete the fact
of what he said, like, we ramble all that because
you had asked we believe in super natural ship and
somebody's talking about this man right now. The point is no, no, no,
if say you can, The point is we knew we
were gonna be wrestlers, so We put all that positive

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energy we were kids, you know what I mean, We
put all that energy into it. Even though we changed
our dream later on. That dream was like hold on,
you have it. You already earned it when you were kids.
So the dream came to us, just like in that
documentary when they're like, came corvette for three years straight.

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And if you don't have it, and I'll say, you
start wishing for something else. You never know that corvette
might come to you and appear in your driveway, you
know what I mean. That's what happened. Wrestling came. We
weren't even thinking about wrestling when it came. We were like,
oh yeah, we might as well jump in that dream
right quick and accomplish it. It came to you wrestle now, right, yeah,
I mean yeah, but no, but we we we went everywhere.

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We mean we we you know, we we quit wrestling.
We we we could have been in wrestler, any anybody
could have been shows and fucking raw and nights are
every week. And we started saying, all right, let's go
back to wrap now. It was too much. Point is
what's harder? What's harder wrestling or wrapping? What's harder? On

(01:04:55):
your body wrestling just in general, what's more difficult wrestling
because you just they give you like you gotta do
rental cars, drive yourself, all that ship you guys all
crimin for position for TV show twenty guys and you
get on TV maybe four or five minutes and they

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fight over that ship and rap it's your. You know
what I'm saying, You're the man. You know, it's just
way more lucative. But doing them both at the same time,
it's fucking insane. The schedule was just like way too
hard to keep up with, you know, just every day
having at You're just bringing wrestling up. Just say, anybody,
anybody that you just love wrestling. I know you love wrestling,

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go on. I'm just saying, anybody that wants to dream.
You might want to be You might want to ride
a unicycle around the world. I don't care what your
dream is. You know. I know it might sound like
a corneo mad saying you can do it, but it's true.
You can do anything you fucking want. You know what
I'm saying. Anything you want, you just have to apply

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that energy you just want it, right Like the just
one of those same cases like yo, if somehow we're
in the position wearing that has proved that any fucking
body can do something if you really want them to
Know me too, though, I feel you on that. If
I can do it, so can anybody else. I gotta
do is just be stubborn as hell. You have to.

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You have to. Don't take kid wish for it, don't
hope for it. What is that not one day I'll
do one day? Do it? You can't hope and pray?
What the fuck? No it? Know that ship brag about it. Yeah,
I'm getta motherfuck around a unicycle around the world, and
you'll know in your neighborhood as the motherfucker that wants

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to drive a unicycle around the world. So when you
do it later in life like that, that's all that
kid used to talk about was driving a unicycle around
the world. Where you did it, I'm playing cycle about
your neck, a cycle on your back. No, you're gonna
do that ship brag about every fight, man. I mean no,
You're gonna do it, and it will happen. Man. That's
the thing. Oh, and it also works negative if you're

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constantly saying, I know I'm gonna get hit by a
car one day you're going to, you know, say, I
know I'm gonna dine to play. Quit thinking that ship,
because it will happen. Yeah, you have to change your
brain and then your ass will follow, and then you
have a way of saying what in one sentence? You

(01:07:24):
who are You're saying what? It takes me all day
to say. All right, you guys, I have to go
interview the leader of the Satanic Temple now. But this
has been such a I will Oh do you have
a new record? Oh, we don't. Man, I know he's
gonna get our ship. People don't buy our records. They

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just enjoy us. This is my favorite thing I've ever
done in my life. Thank you. I already consider you
guys my new best friends, and I am now juggalo.
We'll whoo whoo. I called this motherfucker seeking around outside.

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This is all it's leftible now. I love him. I
kind of want to make out with him, all right.
Thanks guy, guys. I'll see you soon, and thank you
so much for doing this. Thanks, thank you, thank you
for having us much clown love you. Okay, whoo whoo,
I love you