June 4, 2021 • 47 mins
Attention all creeps! The legend is here, the one and only - Margaret Cho! Join iconic cat ladies Kesha and Margaret Cho as they discuss the beauty of embracing death through art, what past life regressions can teach you, and stories from the most bone-chilling house Margaret has ever lived in. They'll also revisit a very scary story from Kesha's past - the night Jerry Seinfeld rejected a hug from Kesha. The horror! So, round up all your creatures and fellow creeps and come listen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's a lot of ancestor worship, and there's a lot
of like my mother would see and she still does
see spirits and and everything. She just kind of calls you,
oh dude, it's just kind of so it's not scary.
It's just part of your culture. Welcome to Kesha and
(00:34):
the Creepies today. So honored to have Margaret to thank
you for being here. Thank you. I'm such a fan,
so I'm excited to be here. So I couldn't really
hear you talking about your cats stripper pool so could
we revisit that my cats have um their cat trees
are like attached to the ceiling, to their floor to
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ceiling cat trees, and they I call them they're stripper
poles because they're swinging around it like crazy, like they're
really and there's space cats, so they're like naked. So
they're like naked swinging on the pole all day all night.
So there are a lot better. I mean, you know,
it's scary when your cat like isn't running around and
(01:15):
so she broke her leg and we had to go
to emergency and stuff, but she's a lot better now.
I'm happy to hear your baby's okay. Thank you, thank you.
But you have four. It's four different from like two.
I mean it's I don't think. I think if you
have more than one, I feel like the work is
kind of the same. So I have three animals here.
It's kind of the same. Honestly. I had to put
in one extra litter box and one of them. Okay,
(01:39):
I got one that liked to pee on my bed,
and that wouldn't be that big of a deal except
for the first and the most extravagant thing I bought
with my like TikTok money is. I bought like the
biggest bed because I love having my friends over and
I want us all to like slumber party. So my
cat decided to use the bed as a litter box
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because I think he's like his brain is a little funky.
But so that was the only part, is like the
peeing and pooping on the bed. But I don't think
that's normal. I think that's just my cat as a
special guy. Yeah, I mean I have they have ten
litter boxes because I have um yeah, I have like
um the houses. It's it's not really big, but everything's
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really spread out, so I have one in every little area,
and they have a really big cadio, so there's three
in the cadio and basically taking all of my outdoor
space and enclosing it so that the cats can be outside,
because um, there's like I live on the hill, so
there's a lot of like coyotes and hawks and stuff,
so I want them to be safe. But they also
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love the outdoors. So my friends doing it, So yeah,
I love that. I would love to get their information
because my cats want to go outside, and I feel
like such a ship hit because I'm like, your wild animals,
I want to let you outside. I don't want you
to get hit by a car eaten by a coyote.
So that's like the perfect kind of compromise. Yeah, for sure,
(03:05):
it's really great. Yes, absolutely, But I would encourage everyone
to get four cats because when I wake up in
the morning, I'm just surrounded by cats, and like, I
love it. It's just like the best way to start today.
It's the best. I mean, I just love animals. And
Mike Chihuahua now thinks she's a cat because she bats
with her paw and then she goes to place with
her dog friends and then she acts like a cat
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with them, and it's really funny. But they're all about
the same size, so they're very well matched. All of
my cats are like twenty pounds that I have like
the biggest cats known to mankind. So that's great. But okay,
your house. I randomly saw an episode of you on
Wife Swap. Is this the same house? Oh my god,
(03:49):
I am obsessed with this house. It's a great house.
It's um Beenum. I've been here for about twenty two
years now, but it's a hundred years old. It's definitely haunted.
There's a lot of there's an animal ghost here. There's
a dog whose name is Tyler and she um was
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really attached to the house. So she lived here her
entire life before I moved in, and she when she
was twenty one, the day they moved out, she died,
and her spirit I've seen, like there's a place like
kind of there's a little bridge that goes outside, and
I see she's a Bassett hound. So sometimes I see
her face in the window where I used to see
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her when I would come and visit before I moved in.
And uh, I saw her right when I moved in,
and I was I called the owner. I was like, oh, well,
Tyler's here and he's like, oh, no, she died the
day we left, and so, um, she's still here. And
then one of my big dogs right when he died.
He died about ten years ago, but when I walk
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around sometimes he was really really big. It's a hundred
pound shepherd mixed. I can feel warm large spots on
the hardwood floors and two little condensation marks where his
nose would be. So it's weird how they'll leave behind
kind of energy traces. Um, the dog ghosts are the
(05:15):
most active. I know that there are other presence is
here that psychics have come over, functional experts have come
over and said, oh, there's different entities here, but I
have not seen or felt them. That's so interesting, Okay,
because tell me more about the entities that are in
your homes. You have two dogs, which I love. There's
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two dogs, um, so Tyler, who was twenty one bad
Bassett Hound and then my dog Grave who is a big,
big boy. And then um, there is a woman who
lives downstairs. She is I think the original, one of
the original owners of the house when it was built
in so um, I don't really know anything about her,
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but I do know that this house was the only
property built here when this area was first sort of cleared.
So this is actually the first sort of marketing place
of UM this area and UM in Los Angeles and
then UM, she's here, but she sort of stays out
of my way. She's like one of those roommates that
like really quietly pays the rent and you should never
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see them or hear from them ever. But she's been here.
I love, it's so amazing. We've never seen her or
like felt her presence. Yeah, sometimes it's like I can,
like I feel like there's almost like something going on,
but I don't know, like it's not a sound and
it's not um of a real physical presence. But I
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do feel kind of like this maybe shift in the air,
but there's really no sense of um where she is.
But I do know she's here. I can when people say, oh,
there's a woman here, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I
know that that she is, but I've never seen her.
And does that freak you out? Like having the animals?
To me, an animal goes sounds like the more the merrier,
(07:03):
it's lovely, it's sweet. It's almost like I know, I
think it's really comforting. UM. But ghost. Don't scare me.
You know, I grew up uh in Korean culture, where
we um I kind of believe that your ancestors live
on after they die, and so on their death dates,
you have to prepare their favorite foods or like chi suck,
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which is Korean Thanksgiving. So you prepare like a dining
table filled with all of the stuff that they loved
in life. And but you don't have to actually make
all the food, but you have to make it seem
like it's abundant. So we would take like styrofoam balls
and then just stick like dried fish around it for
like my great great great great because I can't eat it.
But they just want you to know that, they want
to know that you put the effort into it. And
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so there's a lot of ancestor worship and there's a
lot of like my mother would see and she still
does see spirits and and everything. She just kind of
cause will do just kind of So it's not scary,
it's just part of your culture, very matter of fact,
because we exist on a different plane, but we still
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exist together. So, you know, Korea being sort of a peninsula,
there's this idea that you never really leave because you're
you're like locked in by water. Mostly. I think it's
the same with japan Um. They have the same kind
of ancestor worship, and you're very practical towards the people
who have died, and you know, and I feel a
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sense of it too. My best friend died about two
years ago, and so when she died, like I really
felt her presence in the house and around, like, and
her her death was really unfortunate and an accident and
like not expected, and so it was a really kind
of traumatic thing. But she's sort of like hangs around
and I've had psychic readings where she'll like blow past
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all of my ancestors to talk to me from a Yeah,
she just pushes everybody's side and she's like, look, look,
I don't you know, I don't want any trouble, but
let me just tell you what's going on. So her
spirit is, you know, because that's been like two years,
her spirits quite fiery and alive. Well, I'm sorry that
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your best friend passed away, But it just seems the
way you're talking about it, that you have a good
or healthier or more open relationship with the afterlife than
seemingly a lot of people I know, and even myself.
Sometimes I get a little like freaked out. I think
it's what drives me sometimes to be an artist is
like I have to do this before I die. I
want to leave this legacy behind. But I don't know
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you're what you're talking about. It just seems so much
healthier and less stressful. Well, it's it's kind of due
to my upbringing, but also that I have seen a
lot of death unfortunately. You know, I spent a year
and a half in treatment for alcoholism, and so in
my treatment center, about twelve people died during my time there.
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So these are all people that I knew very very well,
who I had been in like therapy sessions with for
like months, you know. And so the fragility and strength
of both of life is really a very big, sort
of like thing to me. And it's like kind of
the people that have died that I know, it's not
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anything that I fear, because I've been on that edge
of misery where you could feel like you could go
either way. So I really understand it maybe in a
way that people that really kind of love lived in
darkness kind of now they're like, oh, yeah, I've been there.
I definitely have a fascination with death. And my mom
is a total goth, like she doesn't dress in black
(10:47):
and like look golf, but all she talks about is
death and spirits and that's pretty much her favorite topic
of conversations. And we write songs together. And one song
we wrote together was called No One's Getting Out Alive.
And we wrote another song called Cannibal, and then we
wrote Your Love is My Drugs. So we write all
these songs that are just like mostly about like the
(11:10):
finite nous of humanity, but possibly the infinite soul or
energy or consciousness that lives on. It's a hot topic
in my family because it's wonderful. It's wonderful. I think
a lot of people really fear that um kind of
energy and the dark energy, but I think it's really
(11:33):
just um. Makes you feel more alive, you know, and
it makes you want to embrace life even more because
you see how fragile, thin that veil is so easily penetrated. Yeah. Well,
I've definitely had some strange experiences. I've never been like
fully living in a house where I can see like
how you're saying, you can see the Bassett hound, but
(11:55):
to me. That sounds like if I were to have
an animal haunting me, so well, that seems way more
fun than a person. But maybe it's just because I
love animals so much. I can just know it's really
it's really sweet and it's not scary. It's not like
pet cemetery or something like. It's actually really like a
loving energy kind of like, well, they can go to
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the other side. They're not stuck. They just want to
just see what you're doing. You know, they're just kind
of curious and they want to hang around, which I
think is really sweet. Do you believe that once you
pass away, do you reincarnate or do you go to
the other side? And is that tighten with your culture
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or is it just something you've explored on your own
and kind of come to your own conclusions. I think both.
I think it's that both are possible. That you have choices,
you know, you're kind of given like a choose your
own adventure when you when you die, you're like, well,
do you want to go and reincarnate and do something
else you've done? Do you want to be reborn? Do
you want to stay here? Do you want to stay there?
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I feel like when people are sort of limited in
their idea of what's possible that that maybe that's sort
of what sticks them into something, you know, like of
those ghosts who are like, we don't know we're dead.
That kind of situation that to me is really probably
the worst case scenario when you just can't possibly allow
your a spirit or imagination that kind of freedom to
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do anything. And you know, I went to this really
interesting psychic who was like a past life lady, and
she was very famous. Her name was Bella, and she
was in her late nineties, and she uh and I
were talking about how I always had this can I
always fight with my father. You have a good relationship
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with my father, but it's very male like he brings
out the really male energy and me and we really fight.
And she told me that we had been soldiers on
opposing sides of the war and we killed each other
and so we were brought back to this life as
far father and daughter to work out our karma so
that we could just rest in peace in our So
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it's funny because we do fight like soldiers, and I'm like,
why is this so like military? But it really is.
It's interesting. I've actually had a past life regression and
my past life regression said that my mom was actually
my baby, and I was burned alive potentially like for
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not being a quiet, good woman. But so, but that
all makes such perfect sense to me because in this life, like,
they're definitely times where I feel like she's my baby,
even though I've never had a baby, and I don't
know if I want a baby, but I have one
it's my mom. Yeah, I mean those kinds of things
when you go and you talk to people that do
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that stuff, the past life stuff, it's really interesting and
I think it's really I I always think it. Really,
it's really reson to me, Like I really believe it.
I think that's amazing. I believed it because when she
was saying it, she also had never met my mother
or seen us interact. And I'm pretty sure this woman
is a much older German woman I had. I'm pretty
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sure she had no idea who I was, so it's
not like she could have been like, oh, I watched
a reality TV show that was on MTV in two
thousand twelve. Like, I'm pretty sure she had no idea,
so it kind of blew my mind. And I also,
I'm always so hot. I don't know what it is,
but she was like, are you always so so hot?
You got burned alive in the past life for not
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behaving as a woman. Wow, Because I'm always hungry because
I've starved a death twice. That's my mom. She had
one and that happened to her, and she's just like,
I'm always hungry, always always. She was like digging foraging
through trash cans in her past life and then she
found a pack of dogs that helped her survive. So
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now she's obsessed with dogs and is making a dog rescue.
That's beautiful. I like the past life regression thing because
even if it's not real, I like to believe in
it because it makes me feel good. So I'm going
to explains a lot to like. It's like, you know,
it explains a lot about who we are and kind
of the things that we come to this lifetime with
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because a lot of the things that I feel I
didn't learn in this lifetime. You know, there are things
that like why am I always hungry? I didn't learn
to be hungry in this lifetime. I've never gone without
food in this lifetime. There's no reason why I would
have that mania. But it's got to be something from
the past, you know. So I do think that past
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camera affects us in this lifetime, for sure, I do too,
And I wonder, see, this is where I get confused.
Apparently you don't get to like rest truly in peace
until you go through an entire life being nonreactive is
what I was just recently reading in a book, And
I'm like, a whole lifetime of being nonreactive. What if
I like, starting now, going forward, like then does that count? Yeah?
(17:03):
I think so. I think it's like really like it's
hard because so much of it is social conditioning to
of like don't let him treat you like that, don't
let them talk to you like that that you know
that that people tell you you're not supposed to be
treated that way, and then you're sort of convinced like
that's wrong. But it's more like if something happens and
then you're like, I don't know why I feel so
(17:25):
weird about it, then um, So it's like how much
of it is social conditioning and how much of it
is really like our destiny hard to know. I am
like you're intuition and like just kind of like your
insights telling you what's right or wrong? That's the part.
Where is it past trauma? Is it past life? Is
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it anxiety? Is it indigestion? Like what's going on in here?
Like sometimes it's hard to read things. It's really hard
to read. It's so hard to know, but you know,
it's really interesting to try to discover it is. It's
such been such a fun journey, like throughout my life
trying to navigate it, but especially in the past year
(18:06):
when I was supposed to be on tour and then
obviously no one's touring to like sit with these questions.
To me, the supernatural is it's just really natural, and
it somehow gets like pushed into this category of like
being for weirdos or you have to be like you
look a certain way or be a certain way, And
(18:27):
to me, it's just being open hearted and being like, Okay,
I'm open guide me. I agree. I mean I think
that um this year has this, Yeah, this last year
has really focused all of our selves onto our inner
life and to see like where we are actually happy
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because so much of our work is traveling and being
on tour. When you were on your on tour, you
just don't have a moment to even think about your
spiritual needs or anything. You're just trying to keep going
because you know, it's like it's it's wonderful, Like I
love being on tour, but at the same time, you
don't pay attention to anything that's happening within no, because
(19:09):
you're just like so focused on making I don't know
about you, but for me, it's like I'm focused on
making sure I'm on time, that the audience is happy,
just like kind of more people pleasing, like just making
sure everyone is super happy around me because I almost
feel like it's my job to make people happy and
make them dance and make them happy. So that's where
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all my energy goes is all out. Also, you're like
the leading of the company, so it's like you're kind
of managing the life of all of the people that
are making like your term manager, your band, or you're
for me, it's like opening comedians or um, you know,
management agents. Like you're trying to make it seamless for
everybody else. So you're leading the company, You're leading the charge,
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and oftentimes your needs get really lost in that because
you're trying to look after everybody else. Yeah, and you
just want to make sure everything is going okay because
it's your name on the bill, and if she ship
goes to ship, that's not good, you know, yeah, yeah,
but it's it's really it's it's a really satisfying thing.
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I love it, Oh my god, I love it. But
it's a very different lifestyle than being at home for you, right,
don't you think? So different? So different? And it's like yeah,
and now I'm like, if I have to move, do
I bring my cats with me? Because my dog would
go with me everywhere, and so my cats are very
(20:35):
they don't well, actually they don't mind the car. And
one of them really likes her swing. So I have
like a little sort of a cat baby bore and
then she really loves it. Oh my god, I want
one of them. I have a catch stroller. Oh yeah
I too, Yeah yeah, mine are obsessed with the catch stroller.
Oh yeah, yeah, so you love the cat stroller. Here's
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my like going on tour, because I have taken my
cats on tour with me in the asked it was
mostly really good experiences. One time one got out and
hid in the bush and I was like it was
a whole thing. But aside from that one time, we
had a lot of fun. He came on a private plane.
He was trying to open the door to the front
to like the cockpit. It was an adventure so fabulous.
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I mean, I think that it would be so amazing
to be able to share the journey with them. But yeah,
they're both pretty good on like a harness and leash.
And then of course my dog is like very used
to traveling and kind of been everywhere, so the time,
you see, I feel like dogs might be easier to
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travel with. I don't know. Cats are a little their movie, Yeah,
but one of them's deaf, so she's kind of like
very like she she's so brave and accepting of everything,
which is why I think she broke her like too,
because her her balance is compromised because she's deaf. So um,
she's a little bit like I could whatever I want,
and then she sort of defies like natural like the
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forces of nature like gravity and things like that. I love.
Her name is Sacrica, which is such a sacrica, sacred heart,
sac sec what is that? What language of that French? Her? Well,
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her first name is Sacricay, which is Portuguese or um
said that day, which is u. There's no real English translation,
but it's like, from what I understand, it means the
unbearable beauty of longing. H So her name means she's
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the sacred heart of the unbearable beauty of longing. That's
a beautiful name. Oh my god, that's some that's like poetry.
That's beautiful. It is. But she also always has a
little bit of pool on her butt, the sacred but
of unbearable longing, a crusty longing. Have you had any
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extraterrestrial experiences? I have, but it was really um everybody
had it. It was this thing. And have you been
to Martha? Yes, I love Martha. Martha's beautiful. But so
I went to out in the middle of nowhere in
you know, Martha's like kind of West Texas is very far,
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and they would have the huge projections of pieces of
movies with just aliens. So they cut up like a
big sort of MAXI cut of like alien scenes from
movies and they just emblaze me on the big screen
in order to call the aliens. And you really felt
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like I hadn't see anything, but you really felt it
like the something here but I don't know, and it
was like I didn't know, I don't know you should
call them that way that seems rude and disrespectable. And
then there was also in you may Ah, Sweden, which
is so high high up. What you hear the Northern lights,
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You know when you hear the when you're that far
up in the in the planet, like you just hear
the weird echoing of the lights. You really feel like,
oh gosh, there's gotta be some extraterrestrial thing happening. That
sounds amazing. Did you see the lights of Martha? Yes, yes,
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it's so beautiful. And I was there for the El
Cosmico Festival um what is that, which is a big
music It's a big music festival that they put on
in um September every year, and uh so I was
there um that year. I was actually playing with um
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my band. I don't do music that much, but every
once in a while I was there. I'll do that.
And so I did one night and then and Moore
did another night. Cool and it was really it was
really great. But it was so far and you see,
like the art there is so out of this world,
like it's just this magical place. It's almost like not
on the planet. So you can see like there's like
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kind of like there's signs of extra extra trust you
like there. I think I agree. I actually was there
pretty recently because I drove home for Christmas. My mom
would have gone nuts, so I had to drive from
Los Angeles to Nashville because it's like COVID. I was like, okay,
I'm just gonna like arv it and stopped in Marfa,
and that was the first time I've ever been there,
and I just remember thinking a lot of things were
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closed because of COVID, obviously, and I didn't want to
like impose upon the town at all, but just the
art everywhere. It's just like the most amazing art town.
But there's the protest store and then many so weird,
Like when you stick a protest store in the all
of nowhere in West Texas nowhere, you see how so
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weird it truly is. It really made me look at
designer clothing and a whole different lay Yeah, like there's
no context. There's just a prod oft storefront and it's
just so like surreal but also real, like it's just
very strang it's so weird and like the giant cutouts
of cowboys and it was just amazing. I want to
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go back when they're fully open. But you played a
show there. I didn't even know that they like had
festivals there. I want to play a show there. Oh
my god, yeah, yeah, that would be great, I think. Um,
I think it's a really it's quite an amazing festival,
you know, because it's it's really small, but they also
have like, um, just a lot, I mean just a
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lot of like wild characters and people who just live
out there. And then everybody comes from Austin also, so
it is kind of like Austin's um kind of like
their version of like whatever it's bonroo or's like twit
they would go. So it's really it's really special. That's
so cool. I was listening to your music when I
was getting ready this morning, and I love this song
(27:07):
you did with Fiona Apple, like hay big duck. She
loves you, she loves you so much. Fiona is a
really big fan of I love her and she's just
such a badass snazing and so are you. I'm like
such a huge fan, has so much respect for the
both of you. Sod to listen to a song with
both of you while I was getting ready and like
(27:29):
putting on my makeup, I was like yes, women rule,
and it's just like having a total like bad bitch fest,
like like, who, I'm so excited to talk to you.
Love it. Oh, I'm definitely enjoying your TikTok to. Oh
my god, your TikTok is really good. It's beautiful. And
but I was like, I remember that night was really
(27:50):
scary because um Ivanka Trump was there. I don't remember
that she was there. She was in the front row.
They brought her in because I was walking underneath because
I was late and I was walking underneath. They have
like this pathway underneath, and she was walking in and
I was walking in and I saw her, and I
was like, I got really scared. I don't know why
(28:12):
I got scared, Like I was gonna get deported. It's
a horrible feeling. It's a horrible Oh. I'm so sorry.
I would just get scared because I just don't want
to be in the same room as anyone in that family.
I'm sorry, I just don't want to. But yeah, I
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didn't know she was there. I'm happy I didn't know
she was there, actually, because that would have probably stressed
me out for separate reasons. It's weird that she would
be in an event that was really about promoting meditation
in public schools. Like that's kind of like what the
whole thing was about. Like they're just trying to promote
this idea of like let's teach meditation in school for
(28:54):
to help anxiety, help kids regulate just everything, their emotions,
their anxiety. That's like what I learned m four and
it was it's been really helpful just to like bring
me back down to earth regulate all of that. So
the fact that she was there seems a little bit hypocritical.
And then um was she was there with Jared Kushner,
who just always looks like he's like a mannequin that
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smelled a ship. So he got the bace of like
it's like a mannequin, but it's also like a mannequin
that smelled a ship. It's just a weird, like a
plastic man who smelled the ship. It's a very very
it's like the Kendall that smelled a ship. Oh I
love that. Yeah, then dried that way like mammafied. Oh
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my god, I'm so happy I didn't know they were
there because I sang, I sang at that, and I
remember at the very end were you did you come
out at the very end. I forget who was playing,
but they played like a big song at the end
where everybody came out, and I just remember being like,
this is so awkward. I don't know. I was like
standing next to someone who was very lovely, but I
was like, I don't know you, and they're like, put
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your hand the Katy Kirk. Yeah, it's just like we
and it was just so awkward. Some of these things
that we do for like beautiful causes with great intentions
art can be awkward. Yeah, definitely, definitely. It's just a
weird thing to do anything with the Kennedy Center. Always
there's there's something that's very kind of like grown up
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about it. She has to be really grown up there.
But every event I've always been there, it's like they're
super weird things going on underneath it all. So do
you get ready in the base? He was there. Oh, yeah,
that was super weird. Yeah I got ready in the basement. Yeah.
I mean I'm usually like getting ready in the basement,
like coming off of the plane and trying to get there,
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and it's not too far from the airport, so I
can usually make it. So it was just it was
a strange one for me. It was a strange man,
always weird. Yeah, but um no, I was digressing. We
started talking about aliens and Jerry Seinfeld. I don't know
how we got there. I did read that you've lived
in haunted houses pretty much your entire life. The most
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haunted house, yeah, it's very natural. But the most haunted
house I lived in UH was in Atlanta and it
was right by um right, it was in Peachtree City.
It was right by the studio that I was working
in is. I lived there for about a year and
it was very active and UH. I went back to
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the house with the psychic couple of years later, and
next to every bed there was some kind of an
oxygen machine and the family there were like they were
all really sick. And then the bathtub had broken in half,
the marble countertops had broken in half, and but the
family was really Christian and they were like, we don't
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know anything, there's nothing wrong here. And I'm like, first
of all, you're all on sub mental oxygen, your bathtub broken,
your marble counter broken half, and nothing's wrong. So the
psychic told me that the in the eighties, two teenage
boys had done a ritual with um an animal sacrifice
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and an open to hell mouth. And I was like,
oh my god, and this is the house you lived in.
You lived in a hell mouth. I've never even heard
that time before. I'm like, and it was really like
it was very like weird, like Judas priests like say
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you love Satan like weird backwards masking like him. I
don't believe in any of that sort of like Satanic stuff.
I don't think that Satanists are actually Satanists, are only
Satanists to troll Christians of just doing it to troll people.
I mean, Satanis usually are atheists who are just trying
to give people who don't have a church to have
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equal rights. It's actually really vacuuman rights. Oh the Satanic
temple leader I spoke with that. The whole thing I'm
so on board with. It's all about empathy and respecting
science and compassion and treating each other with respect and
just keeping mainly just keeping politics and religion separate. And
if they start to get ameshed, they come in as
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a mirror to be like wait, wait, wait, if you're
gonna favor Christianity and like Judeo Christianic like Christianity something
based on that. Then you have to also respect the
Satanic Temple as a religion, so you have to respect
our religion. So I have so much respect for the
Satanic Temple. I love it. I love it. I really
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respect them, and I think that they're really an important
part of culture. But I don't buy in the idea
of people teenage boys doing an animal sacrifice to make hell.
What's exactly good. I like the idea of a hell mouth.
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I don't know why. It just sounds like volcano over
evil spirits to just like be exercised from the earth
or something. But if all the ship was breaking, maybe
it was a hell mouth. I don't know. Do you
believe it was, I don't know. I think that it
was an psychically active house. I think that it was
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a bit of a trickster ghost who was pretty mischievous
and liked to cause trouble and liked when things were
like kind of funny, like um getting in bed with me,
you know, like when I was in bed and something
got in bed with me, I could feel the bed
go down, and I was so scared I didn't move
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and then finally turned over to there was nothing there,
So just stuff like that, like well you know, kind
of stuff like that was like kind of really unsettling
but very small and like so it's weird, super scary.
And so then I moved out and another one of
my co stars moved in and the day that he
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moved in, he went outside to smoke cigarette and the
door locked and dead bolted and he couldn't get back inside.
So the ghost like just locked it just like dead bolted.
So it didn't like boys, it was very like it was.
It was kind of okay with me because like when
I started to hear things, I would say, just try
and don't scare me. You can be here. Like if
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I'm scared someplace, if my contureship ghost, we'll usually just
talk to whoever is there. And I would like I'd
be like, you know, just just don't scare me. I'm
an old lady. Please. They're not an old lady together,
I know, but I mean it's like, you know, you
just don't want to like you don't want to not
acknowledge it. The rest thing new is acknowledged and go
I'm afraid, so please try not to make me afraid.
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We can coax this here. I'm fine with that, but
I'm just scared. This is the exact same thing I
do when I get scared, as I just start talking
to whomever I think is there. And I've actually like
a couple of relationships have been like sent down a
path after I've started speaking to a spirit and they're like,
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what the fox is wrong with you? And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
don't judge me. I'm having a polite conversation with this
entity or spirit. I'm trying to be respectful. And then
some of the people I've dated have been like, oh,
you're crazy, and I'm like, this isn't gonna work. Do
you think that's crazy? Because you gotta like acknowledge, like
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if you feel something, there's something there, you know, like
we're not afraid for no reason, and there's energy energy
around us. Absolutely, and good to talk to the to
the spirit. I think you're right, Like if we are
in a separate dimension to them and they're in a
separate dimension to us, yet we're showing ourselves to each other,
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then it's nice to have an acknowledgement of presence. Yes,
I think it's just polite. Yeah, we're just being polite. Great,
But so you lived there. I lived there. Um, and
then there was um she's singing, she's crying. She's crying
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because there's somebody on the outside of the door of
that something she doesn't like. Um. But they were saying that,
you know that they the owners were in Europe and
couldn't be contracted. But if I wanted to move out,
they would let me out of the least, no problem.
Like it was very like, oh, we know there's something wrong.
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Oh my god, yeah, just go. It's but do you
ever move into a place and you're attracted to it
because there is the possibility that it might have spirits
Because me personally, I like going to places that people
have told me have spirits. Absolutely, I mean I think
that's what attracted me to the house that I live
in now. And I've been here since about and certainly
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you know, there's a sense of history here, um, and
I love that and my own history now, so even
my own ghosts are haunting, which I think is really fantastic. Yeah,
if if, and when you decide to be a ghost
in your afterlife, do you think this would be the
place so haunt. I would love to hunt this house.
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I would love to haunt this house. But I wouldn't.
I wouldn't be here um as myself in two thousand
and three. So I would be here with highlights and
a juicy kicture track suit and ugs with some kind
of beating and bejeweling them, and a flip phone and
a lock around texting people on a flip phone or
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a sidekick in old school psydekick, Oh my god, I
just I have been thinking about just switching over to
the flipphone. Just I don't know. I wonder if my
stress levels would go down if I just had a
flip phone. Like was the world a better place when
we just had flip phone? Maybe? But also you would
have you would get I would get a hand cramped
because I would try to text and you would have
to do like this series of numbers and keep on
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hitting it. That was a little tough. But I did
love a sidekick because you have the actual keyboard. Remember
that BlackBerry? Is that the same kind of thing? The blackberries?
The same thing? And um one time Teagan of Teagan
and Sarah took her nail and flipped out the pearl
and like cleaned out the pearl and then pushed it
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back in and it was so vaginal. Like I realized
how like easy it was for lesbian to go in
and just knock out the clitoris of the black girl
and then like flick flick it back in. It was
really handy. It sounds empowering. It was very empowering. I
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love them. Did you ever play it shows with them?
I played shows to them. I have done music with them.
I've gone to see them millions of times, which I'm
so I think they they have the I mean, they
have the greatest stage show and they're just an amazing band.
So I really I really love seeing them seeing them
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me too. I really miss going to see actually miss
going to see. Stand up comedy is the first thing
I went out and saw. I saw Oswald Whitney Commings.
There are a bunch of like amazing people on the bill,
and it was like an outdoor very Yeah, that's great.
Very It was like very weird to go out to
a thing and see people on a microphone. But that
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was my first fora into the world and it was calm.
It was like stand up comedy. I have to see it.
So have you done any stand up since COVID? Yeah,
I've done a couple of those. Outdoor shows and it's
really fun. Um. I've done a lot of shows actually
streaming and um on social media which have been fun too,
because an art to it for sure. Yeah, um, and
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so you know, I'm looking forward to going back and
doing it. The last show that I did in a
nightclub was actually on um March thirteenth of and so
it'd be great to go back to a nightclub that
That day was really memorable because I went out to
go to um Horriville Pets sound check. I'm like trying to, like,
(41:08):
you know, my old groupie Ways is like going to
like their sound check. Yeah, that's so easy, so great,
so great. But then um, he wasn't there, but he
his show ended up getting postponed, so he came to
my show and so we spent our sort of last
weekend out so at least it was with him, which
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is really great. But I love that you guys have
worked together. I can't wait to hear what that that's
going to sound like. Yeah, I mean it's really interesting
and totally like out of both of our wheelhouses just
a little bit, but really not that far of a
stretch for me because I'm from Nashville, so it all
just kind of works. I love it. He's such a
guy too. I love him. Yeah, yeah, I can. I
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can really see you together. That's perfect. Thanks, But I
love that you spent your last three days with him.
What a lovely person to spend with. My last free
day was March first in Sydney, Australia Pride on my
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birthday with Dualipa and Sam Smith. I played it like
four in the morning, and that was my last show
I played before COVID. But we went out with a
bang and then we're going to come back into the bank.
That's a great one. I love it. I'm so curious
about your relationship with John Rivers because I know you
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have a close or you had a close relationship with her,
and she's just such an icon and I look up
to her so much and so funny and just such
a boss and everything. And I just wanted to know
if she ever gave you any amazing advice or advice
that's stuck with you, or have you ever talked to
her even though she's passed on. But I do, I,
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but I really have no sense of her presence, you know,
like she really liked like she's gone to the next
thing She's like on like, I don't feel her at all,
and that her advice was really more just a vote
of confidence and that you know, the older you get,
the more you'll work, the more they're gonna want you,
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the more that you'll do, and you're gonna be around
for a really long time. And I think that's a
wonderful thing to think about, you know, And I agree
with her. I I do think that I've worked more
as I've gotten older and gotten better. So I'm really
grateful to her. And I missed her a lot, you know,
because she was somebody that you could just go to
for advice about dumb things or things that we're even
(43:40):
like about relationships or whatever. She was always there with
a ready ear and she would always pay. But she
was cheap, but she was also expensive, so she was
like fancy but also would let you know how much
it costs. Well. I met her one time and she
just was like, I was like, so star struck. She's
(44:01):
coming out of an elevator. Is the brief, the most
brief interaction. But it just stuck with me because she
was like, Oh, we talked about you all the time
on my show. It's fabulous. Keep looking terrible, honey, it
works for you. And I was like, oh my god,
and I was like walking on to stage at this moment.
I was like, I don't know how to take that.
(44:24):
You should take it good because it's like, really like,
she only would make fun of your outfits if she
liked you. Okay, great, So that was kind of really
all because she would make fun of Michaels all the
time on that show and I loved it. So it's like,
really like she only you only like make fun of
the people you love. It's so true, right, you make
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fun of people, you're like either you love them or
you're envious of them. And I'm pretty sure she wasn't
envious of me, so she must I'm just gonna think
she loved me. I'm sure she was envious too. Before
I let you go, I just wanted to ask you
about your podcast, the Margaret Show, Mortal Minority, and I
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just wanted everyone who's listening to be able to know
where to find it. What it's about. From you, Well,
it's about the history of Asian American hate crimes and
juxtaposed with this modern surge in Asian American hate crimes.
So we see that it's actually a pattern, so cecyclical
nature of violence against Asian Americans, and you know, we've
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been dealing with it since nine So I think it's
really an important podcast. And so I talked to a
lot of Asian American and influencers, artists, actors, and comedians
all across the board. You know, we're really kind of
coming together and learning about this history and learning about
what's happening now. So I really love it, and people
(45:47):
can get it anywhere they listen to podcasts. So just
listening to your podcast was so informative and I appreciate
so much just the information that you can get from it.
And I wanted to ask you if there's a particular
place or ization that you think is leading the charge
in terms of information about how to be. I think
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I like Rice Feed, which is on Instagram, and Asians
with Attitudes on Instagram and Jackfruit on Instagram. Also said
the Fan, which is C. E. F. A. A. N
who is a New York journalist who covers a lot
of the different hate crimes that have been happening in
New York City, which there's quite a few. So it's
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it's really important to stay aware of all of this
that's going on, and it reminds me that, um, you know,
because I was around during the AIDS epidemic and people
were using AIDS to justify their homophobic hatred and so
there was a lot of violence against gay people during
that time around AIDS, and so you know, people will
use these quote unquote excuses in order to act out
(46:54):
on hatred that they already have, and it's really unfortunate,
but it's good to know. Well, everybody should check it
out anywhere. You can listen to podcast, The Margaret Show,
Mortal Minority, And I just want to say thank you
so much for being on Cash and the Creepies. I'm
such a fan. It's such an honor. You're such an icon.
And hopefully when the world opens back up, I would
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love to come see you perform like either music. I
would stand up anything, So just let me know when
I would be there. You thank you, keep on creeping on,
thank you for listening, and thank you for being here. Well,
this is really cool. I'm excited. I'm got so I'm
glad we got to do it.
There's a lot of ancestor worship, and there's a lot
of like my mother would see and she still does
see spirits and and everything. She just kind of calls you,
oh dude, it's just kind of so it's not scary.
It's just part of your culture. Welcome to Kesha and
(00:34):
the Creepies today. So honored to have Margaret to thank
you for being here. Thank you. I'm such a fan,
so I'm excited to be here. So I couldn't really
hear you talking about your cats stripper pool so could
we revisit that my cats have um their cat trees
are like attached to the ceiling, to their floor to
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ceiling cat trees, and they I call them they're stripper
poles because they're swinging around it like crazy, like they're
really and there's space cats, so they're like naked. So
they're like naked swinging on the pole all day all night.
So there are a lot better. I mean, you know,
it's scary when your cat like isn't running around and
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so she broke her leg and we had to go
to emergency and stuff, but she's a lot better now.
I'm happy to hear your baby's okay. Thank you, thank you.
But you have four. It's four different from like two.
I mean it's I don't think. I think if you
have more than one, I feel like the work is
kind of the same. So I have three animals here.
It's kind of the same. Honestly. I had to put
in one extra litter box and one of them. Okay,
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I got one that liked to pee on my bed,
and that wouldn't be that big of a deal except
for the first and the most extravagant thing I bought
with my like TikTok money is. I bought like the
biggest bed because I love having my friends over and
I want us all to like slumber party. So my
cat decided to use the bed as a litter box
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because I think he's like his brain is a little funky.
But so that was the only part, is like the
peeing and pooping on the bed. But I don't think
that's normal. I think that's just my cat as a
special guy. Yeah, I mean I have they have ten
litter boxes because I have um yeah, I have like
um the houses. It's it's not really big, but everything's
(02:22):
really spread out, so I have one in every little area,
and they have a really big cadio, so there's three
in the cadio and basically taking all of my outdoor
space and enclosing it so that the cats can be outside,
because um, there's like I live on the hill, so
there's a lot of like coyotes and hawks and stuff,
so I want them to be safe. But they also
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love the outdoors. So my friends doing it, So yeah,
I love that. I would love to get their information
because my cats want to go outside, and I feel
like such a ship hit because I'm like, your wild animals,
I want to let you outside. I don't want you
to get hit by a car eaten by a coyote.
So that's like the perfect kind of compromise. Yeah, for sure,
(03:05):
it's really great. Yes, absolutely, But I would encourage everyone
to get four cats because when I wake up in
the morning, I'm just surrounded by cats, and like, I
love it. It's just like the best way to start today.
It's the best. I mean, I just love animals. And
Mike Chihuahua now thinks she's a cat because she bats
with her paw and then she goes to place with
her dog friends and then she acts like a cat
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with them, and it's really funny. But they're all about
the same size, so they're very well matched. All of
my cats are like twenty pounds that I have like
the biggest cats known to mankind. So that's great. But okay,
your house. I randomly saw an episode of you on
Wife Swap. Is this the same house? Oh my god,
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I am obsessed with this house. It's a great house.
It's um Beenum. I've been here for about twenty two
years now, but it's a hundred years old. It's definitely haunted.
There's a lot of there's an animal ghost here. There's
a dog whose name is Tyler and she um was
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really attached to the house. So she lived here her
entire life before I moved in, and she when she
was twenty one, the day they moved out, she died,
and her spirit I've seen, like there's a place like
kind of there's a little bridge that goes outside, and
I see she's a Bassett hound. So sometimes I see
her face in the window where I used to see
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her when I would come and visit before I moved in.
And uh, I saw her right when I moved in,
and I was I called the owner. I was like, oh, well,
Tyler's here and he's like, oh, no, she died the
day we left, and so, um, she's still here. And
then one of my big dogs right when he died.
He died about ten years ago, but when I walk
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around sometimes he was really really big. It's a hundred
pound shepherd mixed. I can feel warm large spots on
the hardwood floors and two little condensation marks where his
nose would be. So it's weird how they'll leave behind
kind of energy traces. Um, the dog ghosts are the
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most active. I know that there are other presence is
here that psychics have come over, functional experts have come
over and said, oh, there's different entities here, but I
have not seen or felt them. That's so interesting, Okay,
because tell me more about the entities that are in
your homes. You have two dogs, which I love. There's
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two dogs, um, so Tyler, who was twenty one bad
Bassett Hound and then my dog Grave who is a big,
big boy. And then um, there is a woman who
lives downstairs. She is I think the original, one of
the original owners of the house when it was built
in so um, I don't really know anything about her,
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but I do know that this house was the only
property built here when this area was first sort of cleared.
So this is actually the first sort of marketing place
of UM this area and UM in Los Angeles and
then UM, she's here, but she sort of stays out
of my way. She's like one of those roommates that
like really quietly pays the rent and you should never
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see them or hear from them ever. But she's been here.
I love, it's so amazing. We've never seen her or
like felt her presence. Yeah, sometimes it's like I can,
like I feel like there's almost like something going on,
but I don't know, like it's not a sound and
it's not um of a real physical presence. But I
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do feel kind of like this maybe shift in the air,
but there's really no sense of um where she is.
But I do know she's here. I can when people say, oh,
there's a woman here, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I
know that that she is, but I've never seen her.
And does that freak you out? Like having the animals?
To me, an animal goes sounds like the more the merrier,
(07:03):
it's lovely, it's sweet. It's almost like I know, I
think it's really comforting. UM. But ghost. Don't scare me.
You know, I grew up uh in Korean culture, where
we um I kind of believe that your ancestors live
on after they die, and so on their death dates,
you have to prepare their favorite foods or like chi suck,
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which is Korean Thanksgiving. So you prepare like a dining
table filled with all of the stuff that they loved
in life. And but you don't have to actually make
all the food, but you have to make it seem
like it's abundant. So we would take like styrofoam balls
and then just stick like dried fish around it for
like my great great great great because I can't eat it.
But they just want you to know that, they want
to know that you put the effort into it. And
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so there's a lot of ancestor worship and there's a
lot of like my mother would see and she still
does see spirits and and everything. She just kind of
cause will do just kind of So it's not scary,
it's just part of your culture, very matter of fact,
because we exist on a different plane, but we still
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exist together. So, you know, Korea being sort of a peninsula,
there's this idea that you never really leave because you're
you're like locked in by water. Mostly. I think it's
the same with japan Um. They have the same kind
of ancestor worship, and you're very practical towards the people
who have died, and you know, and I feel a
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sense of it too. My best friend died about two
years ago, and so when she died, like I really
felt her presence in the house and around, like, and
her her death was really unfortunate and an accident and
like not expected, and so it was a really kind
of traumatic thing. But she's sort of like hangs around
and I've had psychic readings where she'll like blow past
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all of my ancestors to talk to me from a Yeah,
she just pushes everybody's side and she's like, look, look,
I don't you know, I don't want any trouble, but
let me just tell you what's going on. So her
spirit is, you know, because that's been like two years,
her spirits quite fiery and alive. Well, I'm sorry that
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your best friend passed away, But it just seems the
way you're talking about it, that you have a good
or healthier or more open relationship with the afterlife than
seemingly a lot of people I know, and even myself.
Sometimes I get a little like freaked out. I think
it's what drives me sometimes to be an artist is
like I have to do this before I die. I
want to leave this legacy behind. But I don't know
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you're what you're talking about. It just seems so much
healthier and less stressful. Well, it's it's kind of due
to my upbringing, but also that I have seen a
lot of death unfortunately. You know, I spent a year
and a half in treatment for alcoholism, and so in
my treatment center, about twelve people died during my time there.
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So these are all people that I knew very very well,
who I had been in like therapy sessions with for
like months, you know. And so the fragility and strength
of both of life is really a very big, sort
of like thing to me. And it's like kind of
the people that have died that I know, it's not
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anything that I fear, because I've been on that edge
of misery where you could feel like you could go
either way. So I really understand it maybe in a
way that people that really kind of love lived in
darkness kind of now they're like, oh, yeah, I've been there.
I definitely have a fascination with death. And my mom
is a total goth, like she doesn't dress in black
(10:47):
and like look golf, but all she talks about is
death and spirits and that's pretty much her favorite topic
of conversations. And we write songs together. And one song
we wrote together was called No One's Getting Out Alive.
And we wrote another song called Cannibal, and then we
wrote Your Love is My Drugs. So we write all
these songs that are just like mostly about like the
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finite nous of humanity, but possibly the infinite soul or
energy or consciousness that lives on. It's a hot topic
in my family because it's wonderful. It's wonderful. I think
a lot of people really fear that um kind of
energy and the dark energy, but I think it's really
(11:33):
just um. Makes you feel more alive, you know, and
it makes you want to embrace life even more because
you see how fragile, thin that veil is so easily penetrated. Yeah. Well,
I've definitely had some strange experiences. I've never been like
fully living in a house where I can see like
how you're saying, you can see the Bassett hound, but
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to me. That sounds like if I were to have
an animal haunting me, so well, that seems way more
fun than a person. But maybe it's just because I
love animals so much. I can just know it's really
it's really sweet and it's not scary. It's not like
pet cemetery or something like. It's actually really like a
loving energy kind of like, well, they can go to
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the other side. They're not stuck. They just want to
just see what you're doing. You know, they're just kind
of curious and they want to hang around, which I
think is really sweet. Do you believe that once you
pass away, do you reincarnate or do you go to
the other side? And is that tighten with your culture
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or is it just something you've explored on your own
and kind of come to your own conclusions. I think both.
I think it's that both are possible. That you have choices,
you know, you're kind of given like a choose your
own adventure when you when you die, you're like, well,
do you want to go and reincarnate and do something
else you've done? Do you want to be reborn? Do
you want to stay here? Do you want to stay there?
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I feel like when people are sort of limited in
their idea of what's possible that that maybe that's sort
of what sticks them into something, you know, like of
those ghosts who are like, we don't know we're dead.
That kind of situation that to me is really probably
the worst case scenario when you just can't possibly allow
your a spirit or imagination that kind of freedom to
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do anything. And you know, I went to this really
interesting psychic who was like a past life lady, and
she was very famous. Her name was Bella, and she
was in her late nineties, and she uh and I
were talking about how I always had this can I
always fight with my father. You have a good relationship
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with my father, but it's very male like he brings
out the really male energy and me and we really fight.
And she told me that we had been soldiers on
opposing sides of the war and we killed each other
and so we were brought back to this life as
far father and daughter to work out our karma so
that we could just rest in peace in our So
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it's funny because we do fight like soldiers, and I'm like,
why is this so like military? But it really is.
It's interesting. I've actually had a past life regression and
my past life regression said that my mom was actually
my baby, and I was burned alive potentially like for
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not being a quiet, good woman. But so, but that
all makes such perfect sense to me because in this life, like,
they're definitely times where I feel like she's my baby,
even though I've never had a baby, and I don't
know if I want a baby, but I have one
it's my mom. Yeah, I mean those kinds of things
when you go and you talk to people that do
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that stuff, the past life stuff, it's really interesting and
I think it's really I I always think it. Really,
it's really reson to me, Like I really believe it.
I think that's amazing. I believed it because when she
was saying it, she also had never met my mother
or seen us interact. And I'm pretty sure this woman
is a much older German woman I had. I'm pretty
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sure she had no idea who I was, so it's
not like she could have been like, oh, I watched
a reality TV show that was on MTV in two
thousand twelve. Like, I'm pretty sure she had no idea,
so it kind of blew my mind. And I also,
I'm always so hot. I don't know what it is,
but she was like, are you always so so hot?
You got burned alive in the past life for not
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behaving as a woman. Wow, Because I'm always hungry because
I've starved a death twice. That's my mom. She had
one and that happened to her, and she's just like,
I'm always hungry, always always. She was like digging foraging
through trash cans in her past life and then she
found a pack of dogs that helped her survive. So
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now she's obsessed with dogs and is making a dog rescue.
That's beautiful. I like the past life regression thing because
even if it's not real, I like to believe in
it because it makes me feel good. So I'm going
to explains a lot to like. It's like, you know,
it explains a lot about who we are and kind
of the things that we come to this lifetime with
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because a lot of the things that I feel I
didn't learn in this lifetime. You know, there are things
that like why am I always hungry? I didn't learn
to be hungry in this lifetime. I've never gone without
food in this lifetime. There's no reason why I would
have that mania. But it's got to be something from
the past, you know. So I do think that past
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camera affects us in this lifetime, for sure, I do too,
And I wonder, see, this is where I get confused.
Apparently you don't get to like rest truly in peace
until you go through an entire life being nonreactive is
what I was just recently reading in a book, And
I'm like, a whole lifetime of being nonreactive. What if
I like, starting now, going forward, like then does that count? Yeah?
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I think so. I think it's like really like it's
hard because so much of it is social conditioning to
of like don't let him treat you like that, don't
let them talk to you like that that you know
that that people tell you you're not supposed to be
treated that way, and then you're sort of convinced like
that's wrong. But it's more like if something happens and
then you're like, I don't know why I feel so
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weird about it, then um, So it's like how much
of it is social conditioning and how much of it
is really like our destiny hard to know. I am
like you're intuition and like just kind of like your
insights telling you what's right or wrong? That's the part.
Where is it past trauma? Is it past life? Is
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it anxiety? Is it indigestion? Like what's going on in here?
Like sometimes it's hard to read things. It's really hard
to read. It's so hard to know, but you know,
it's really interesting to try to discover it is. It's
such been such a fun journey, like throughout my life
trying to navigate it, but especially in the past year
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when I was supposed to be on tour and then
obviously no one's touring to like sit with these questions.
To me, the supernatural is it's just really natural, and
it somehow gets like pushed into this category of like
being for weirdos or you have to be like you
look a certain way or be a certain way, And
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to me, it's just being open hearted and being like, Okay,
I'm open guide me. I agree. I mean I think
that um this year has this, Yeah, this last year
has really focused all of our selves onto our inner
life and to see like where we are actually happy
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because so much of our work is traveling and being
on tour. When you were on your on tour, you
just don't have a moment to even think about your
spiritual needs or anything. You're just trying to keep going
because you know, it's like it's it's wonderful, Like I
love being on tour, but at the same time, you
don't pay attention to anything that's happening within no, because
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you're just like so focused on making I don't know
about you, but for me, it's like I'm focused on
making sure I'm on time, that the audience is happy,
just like kind of more people pleasing, like just making
sure everyone is super happy around me because I almost
feel like it's my job to make people happy and
make them dance and make them happy. So that's where
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all my energy goes is all out. Also, you're like
the leading of the company, so it's like you're kind
of managing the life of all of the people that
are making like your term manager, your band, or you're
for me, it's like opening comedians or um, you know,
management agents. Like you're trying to make it seamless for
everybody else. So you're leading the company, You're leading the charge,
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and oftentimes your needs get really lost in that because
you're trying to look after everybody else. Yeah, and you
just want to make sure everything is going okay because
it's your name on the bill, and if she ship
goes to ship, that's not good, you know, yeah, yeah,
but it's it's really it's it's a really satisfying thing.
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I love it, Oh my god, I love it. But
it's a very different lifestyle than being at home for you, right,
don't you think? So different? So different? And it's like yeah,
and now I'm like, if I have to move, do
I bring my cats with me? Because my dog would
go with me everywhere, and so my cats are very
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they don't well, actually they don't mind the car. And
one of them really likes her swing. So I have
like a little sort of a cat baby bore and
then she really loves it. Oh my god, I want
one of them. I have a catch stroller. Oh yeah
I too, Yeah yeah, mine are obsessed with the catch stroller.
Oh yeah, yeah, so you love the cat stroller. Here's
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my like going on tour, because I have taken my
cats on tour with me in the asked it was
mostly really good experiences. One time one got out and
hid in the bush and I was like it was
a whole thing. But aside from that one time, we
had a lot of fun. He came on a private plane.
He was trying to open the door to the front
to like the cockpit. It was an adventure so fabulous.
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I mean, I think that it would be so amazing
to be able to share the journey with them. But yeah,
they're both pretty good on like a harness and leash.
And then of course my dog is like very used
to traveling and kind of been everywhere, so the time,
you see, I feel like dogs might be easier to
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travel with. I don't know. Cats are a little their movie, Yeah,
but one of them's deaf, so she's kind of like
very like she she's so brave and accepting of everything,
which is why I think she broke her like too,
because her her balance is compromised because she's deaf. So um,
she's a little bit like I could whatever I want,
and then she sort of defies like natural like the
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forces of nature like gravity and things like that. I love.
Her name is Sacrica, which is such a sacrica, sacred heart,
sac sec what is that? What language of that French? Her? Well,
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her first name is Sacricay, which is Portuguese or um
said that day, which is u. There's no real English translation,
but it's like, from what I understand, it means the
unbearable beauty of longing. H So her name means she's
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the sacred heart of the unbearable beauty of longing. That's
a beautiful name. Oh my god, that's some that's like poetry.
That's beautiful. It is. But she also always has a
little bit of pool on her butt, the sacred but
of unbearable longing, a crusty longing. Have you had any
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extraterrestrial experiences? I have, but it was really um everybody
had it. It was this thing. And have you been
to Martha? Yes, I love Martha. Martha's beautiful. But so
I went to out in the middle of nowhere in
you know, Martha's like kind of West Texas is very far,
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and they would have the huge projections of pieces of
movies with just aliens. So they cut up like a
big sort of MAXI cut of like alien scenes from
movies and they just emblaze me on the big screen
in order to call the aliens. And you really felt
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like I hadn't see anything, but you really felt it
like the something here but I don't know, and it
was like I didn't know, I don't know you should
call them that way that seems rude and disrespectable. And
then there was also in you may Ah, Sweden, which
is so high high up. What you hear the Northern lights,
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You know when you hear the when you're that far
up in the in the planet, like you just hear
the weird echoing of the lights. You really feel like,
oh gosh, there's gotta be some extraterrestrial thing happening. That
sounds amazing. Did you see the lights of Martha? Yes, yes,
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it's so beautiful. And I was there for the El
Cosmico Festival um what is that, which is a big
music It's a big music festival that they put on
in um September every year, and uh so I was
there um that year. I was actually playing with um
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my band. I don't do music that much, but every
once in a while I was there. I'll do that.
And so I did one night and then and Moore
did another night. Cool and it was really it was
really great. But it was so far and you see,
like the art there is so out of this world,
like it's just this magical place. It's almost like not
on the planet. So you can see like there's like
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kind of like there's signs of extra extra trust you
like there. I think I agree. I actually was there
pretty recently because I drove home for Christmas. My mom
would have gone nuts, so I had to drive from
Los Angeles to Nashville because it's like COVID. I was like, okay,
I'm just gonna like arv it and stopped in Marfa,
and that was the first time I've ever been there,
and I just remember thinking a lot of things were
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closed because of COVID, obviously, and I didn't want to
like impose upon the town at all, but just the
art everywhere. It's just like the most amazing art town.
But there's the protest store and then many so weird,
Like when you stick a protest store in the all
of nowhere in West Texas nowhere, you see how so
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weird it truly is. It really made me look at
designer clothing and a whole different lay Yeah, like there's
no context. There's just a prod oft storefront and it's
just so like surreal but also real, like it's just
very strang it's so weird and like the giant cutouts
of cowboys and it was just amazing. I want to
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go back when they're fully open. But you played a
show there. I didn't even know that they like had
festivals there. I want to play a show there. Oh
my god, yeah, yeah, that would be great, I think. Um,
I think it's a really it's quite an amazing festival,
you know, because it's it's really small, but they also
have like, um, just a lot, I mean just a
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lot of like wild characters and people who just live
out there. And then everybody comes from Austin also, so
it is kind of like Austin's um kind of like
their version of like whatever it's bonroo or's like twit
they would go. So it's really it's really special. That's
so cool. I was listening to your music when I
was getting ready this morning, and I love this song
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you did with Fiona Apple, like hay big duck. She
loves you, she loves you so much. Fiona is a
really big fan of I love her and she's just
such a badass snazing and so are you. I'm like
such a huge fan, has so much respect for the
both of you. Sod to listen to a song with
both of you while I was getting ready and like
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putting on my makeup, I was like yes, women rule,
and it's just like having a total like bad bitch fest,
like like, who, I'm so excited to talk to you.
Love it. Oh, I'm definitely enjoying your TikTok to. Oh
my god, your TikTok is really good. It's beautiful. And
but I was like, I remember that night was really
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scary because um Ivanka Trump was there. I don't remember
that she was there. She was in the front row.
They brought her in because I was walking underneath because
I was late and I was walking underneath. They have
like this pathway underneath, and she was walking in and
I was walking in and I saw her, and I
was like, I got really scared. I don't know why
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I got scared, Like I was gonna get deported. It's
a horrible feeling. It's a horrible Oh. I'm so sorry.
I would just get scared because I just don't want
to be in the same room as anyone in that family.
I'm sorry, I just don't want to. But yeah, I
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didn't know she was there. I'm happy I didn't know
she was there, actually, because that would have probably stressed
me out for separate reasons. It's weird that she would
be in an event that was really about promoting meditation
in public schools. Like that's kind of like what the
whole thing was about. Like they're just trying to promote
this idea of like let's teach meditation in school for
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to help anxiety, help kids regulate just everything, their emotions,
their anxiety. That's like what I learned m four and
it was it's been really helpful just to like bring
me back down to earth regulate all of that. So
the fact that she was there seems a little bit hypocritical.
And then um was she was there with Jared Kushner,
who just always looks like he's like a mannequin that
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smelled a ship. So he got the bace of like
it's like a mannequin, but it's also like a mannequin
that smelled a ship. It's just a weird, like a
plastic man who smelled the ship. It's a very very
it's like the Kendall that smelled a ship. Oh I
love that. Yeah, then dried that way like mammafied. Oh
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my god, I'm so happy I didn't know they were
there because I sang, I sang at that, and I
remember at the very end were you did you come
out at the very end. I forget who was playing,
but they played like a big song at the end
where everybody came out, and I just remember being like,
this is so awkward. I don't know. I was like
standing next to someone who was very lovely, but I
was like, I don't know you, and they're like, put
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your hand the Katy Kirk. Yeah, it's just like we
and it was just so awkward. Some of these things
that we do for like beautiful causes with great intentions
art can be awkward. Yeah, definitely, definitely. It's just a
weird thing to do anything with the Kennedy Center. Always
there's there's something that's very kind of like grown up
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about it. She has to be really grown up there.
But every event I've always been there, it's like they're
super weird things going on underneath it all. So do
you get ready in the base? He was there. Oh, yeah,
that was super weird. Yeah I got ready in the basement. Yeah.
I mean I'm usually like getting ready in the basement,
like coming off of the plane and trying to get there,
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and it's not too far from the airport, so I
can usually make it. So it was just it was
a strange one for me. It was a strange man,
always weird. Yeah, but um no, I was digressing. We
started talking about aliens and Jerry Seinfeld. I don't know
how we got there. I did read that you've lived
in haunted houses pretty much your entire life. The most
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haunted house, yeah, it's very natural. But the most haunted
house I lived in UH was in Atlanta and it
was right by um right, it was in Peachtree City.
It was right by the studio that I was working
in is. I lived there for about a year and
it was very active and UH. I went back to
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the house with the psychic couple of years later, and
next to every bed there was some kind of an
oxygen machine and the family there were like they were
all really sick. And then the bathtub had broken in half,
the marble countertops had broken in half, and but the
family was really Christian and they were like, we don't
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know anything, there's nothing wrong here. And I'm like, first
of all, you're all on sub mental oxygen, your bathtub broken,
your marble counter broken half, and nothing's wrong. So the
psychic told me that the in the eighties, two teenage
boys had done a ritual with um an animal sacrifice
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and an open to hell mouth. And I was like,
oh my god, and this is the house you lived in.
You lived in a hell mouth. I've never even heard
that time before. I'm like, and it was really like
it was very like weird, like Judas priests like say
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you love Satan like weird backwards masking like him. I
don't believe in any of that sort of like Satanic stuff.
I don't think that Satanists are actually Satanists, are only
Satanists to troll Christians of just doing it to troll people.
I mean, Satanis usually are atheists who are just trying
to give people who don't have a church to have
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equal rights. It's actually really vacuuman rights. Oh the Satanic
temple leader I spoke with that. The whole thing I'm
so on board with. It's all about empathy and respecting
science and compassion and treating each other with respect and
just keeping mainly just keeping politics and religion separate. And
if they start to get ameshed, they come in as
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a mirror to be like wait, wait, wait, if you're
gonna favor Christianity and like Judeo Christianic like Christianity something
based on that. Then you have to also respect the
Satanic Temple as a religion, so you have to respect
our religion. So I have so much respect for the
Satanic Temple. I love it. I love it. I really
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respect them, and I think that they're really an important
part of culture. But I don't buy in the idea
of people teenage boys doing an animal sacrifice to make hell.
What's exactly good. I like the idea of a hell mouth.
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I don't know why. It just sounds like volcano over
evil spirits to just like be exercised from the earth
or something. But if all the ship was breaking, maybe
it was a hell mouth. I don't know. Do you
believe it was, I don't know. I think that it
was an psychically active house. I think that it was
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a bit of a trickster ghost who was pretty mischievous
and liked to cause trouble and liked when things were
like kind of funny, like um getting in bed with me,
you know, like when I was in bed and something
got in bed with me, I could feel the bed
go down, and I was so scared I didn't move
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and then finally turned over to there was nothing there,
So just stuff like that, like well you know, kind
of stuff like that was like kind of really unsettling
but very small and like so it's weird, super scary.
And so then I moved out and another one of
my co stars moved in and the day that he
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moved in, he went outside to smoke cigarette and the
door locked and dead bolted and he couldn't get back inside.
So the ghost like just locked it just like dead bolted.
So it didn't like boys, it was very like it was.
It was kind of okay with me because like when
I started to hear things, I would say, just try
and don't scare me. You can be here. Like if
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I'm scared someplace, if my contureship ghost, we'll usually just
talk to whoever is there. And I would like I'd
be like, you know, just just don't scare me. I'm
an old lady. Please. They're not an old lady together,
I know, but I mean it's like, you know, you
just don't want to like you don't want to not
acknowledge it. The rest thing new is acknowledged and go
I'm afraid, so please try not to make me afraid.
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We can coax this here. I'm fine with that, but
I'm just scared. This is the exact same thing I
do when I get scared, as I just start talking
to whomever I think is there. And I've actually like
a couple of relationships have been like sent down a
path after I've started speaking to a spirit and they're like,
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what the fox is wrong with you? And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
don't judge me. I'm having a polite conversation with this
entity or spirit. I'm trying to be respectful. And then
some of the people I've dated have been like, oh,
you're crazy, and I'm like, this isn't gonna work. Do
you think that's crazy? Because you gotta like acknowledge, like
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if you feel something, there's something there, you know, like
we're not afraid for no reason, and there's energy energy
around us. Absolutely, and good to talk to the to
the spirit. I think you're right, Like if we are
in a separate dimension to them and they're in a
separate dimension to us, yet we're showing ourselves to each other,
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then it's nice to have an acknowledgement of presence. Yes,
I think it's just polite. Yeah, we're just being polite. Great,
But so you lived there. I lived there. Um, and
then there was um she's singing, she's crying. She's crying
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because there's somebody on the outside of the door of
that something she doesn't like. Um. But they were saying that,
you know that they the owners were in Europe and
couldn't be contracted. But if I wanted to move out,
they would let me out of the least, no problem.
Like it was very like, oh, we know there's something wrong.
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Oh my god, yeah, just go. It's but do you
ever move into a place and you're attracted to it
because there is the possibility that it might have spirits
Because me personally, I like going to places that people
have told me have spirits. Absolutely, I mean I think
that's what attracted me to the house that I live
in now. And I've been here since about and certainly
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you know, there's a sense of history here, um, and
I love that and my own history now, so even
my own ghosts are haunting, which I think is really fantastic. Yeah,
if if, and when you decide to be a ghost
in your afterlife, do you think this would be the
place so haunt. I would love to hunt this house.
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I would love to haunt this house. But I wouldn't.
I wouldn't be here um as myself in two thousand
and three. So I would be here with highlights and
a juicy kicture track suit and ugs with some kind
of beating and bejeweling them, and a flip phone and
a lock around texting people on a flip phone or
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a sidekick in old school psydekick, Oh my god, I
just I have been thinking about just switching over to
the flipphone. Just I don't know. I wonder if my
stress levels would go down if I just had a
flip phone. Like was the world a better place when
we just had flip phone? Maybe? But also you would
have you would get I would get a hand cramped
because I would try to text and you would have
to do like this series of numbers and keep on
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hitting it. That was a little tough. But I did
love a sidekick because you have the actual keyboard. Remember
that BlackBerry? Is that the same kind of thing? The blackberries?
The same thing? And um one time Teagan of Teagan
and Sarah took her nail and flipped out the pearl
and like cleaned out the pearl and then pushed it
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back in and it was so vaginal. Like I realized
how like easy it was for lesbian to go in
and just knock out the clitoris of the black girl
and then like flick flick it back in. It was
really handy. It sounds empowering. It was very empowering. I
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love them. Did you ever play it shows with them?
I played shows to them. I have done music with them.
I've gone to see them millions of times, which I'm
so I think they they have the I mean, they
have the greatest stage show and they're just an amazing band.
So I really I really love seeing them seeing them
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me too. I really miss going to see actually miss
going to see. Stand up comedy is the first thing
I went out and saw. I saw Oswald Whitney Commings.
There are a bunch of like amazing people on the bill,
and it was like an outdoor very Yeah, that's great.
Very It was like very weird to go out to
a thing and see people on a microphone. But that
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was my first fora into the world and it was calm.
It was like stand up comedy. I have to see it.
So have you done any stand up since COVID? Yeah,
I've done a couple of those. Outdoor shows and it's
really fun. Um. I've done a lot of shows actually
streaming and um on social media which have been fun too,
because an art to it for sure. Yeah, um, and
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so you know, I'm looking forward to going back and
doing it. The last show that I did in a
nightclub was actually on um March thirteenth of and so
it'd be great to go back to a nightclub that
That day was really memorable because I went out to
go to um Horriville Pets sound check. I'm like trying to, like,
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you know, my old groupie Ways is like going to
like their sound check. Yeah, that's so easy, so great,
so great. But then um, he wasn't there, but he
his show ended up getting postponed, so he came to
my show and so we spent our sort of last
weekend out so at least it was with him, which
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is really great. But I love that you guys have
worked together. I can't wait to hear what that that's
going to sound like. Yeah, I mean it's really interesting
and totally like out of both of our wheelhouses just
a little bit, but really not that far of a
stretch for me because I'm from Nashville, so it all
just kind of works. I love it. He's such a
guy too. I love him. Yeah, yeah, I can. I
(41:52):
can really see you together. That's perfect. Thanks, But I
love that you spent your last three days with him.
What a lovely person to spend with. My last free
day was March first in Sydney, Australia Pride on my
(42:13):
birthday with Dualipa and Sam Smith. I played it like
four in the morning, and that was my last show
I played before COVID. But we went out with a
bang and then we're going to come back into the bank.
That's a great one. I love it. I'm so curious
about your relationship with John Rivers because I know you
(42:33):
have a close or you had a close relationship with her,
and she's just such an icon and I look up
to her so much and so funny and just such
a boss and everything. And I just wanted to know
if she ever gave you any amazing advice or advice
that's stuck with you, or have you ever talked to
her even though she's passed on. But I do, I,
(42:55):
but I really have no sense of her presence, you know,
like she really liked like she's gone to the next
thing She's like on like, I don't feel her at all,
and that her advice was really more just a vote
of confidence and that you know, the older you get,
the more you'll work, the more they're gonna want you,
(43:17):
the more that you'll do, and you're gonna be around
for a really long time. And I think that's a
wonderful thing to think about, you know, And I agree
with her. I I do think that I've worked more
as I've gotten older and gotten better. So I'm really
grateful to her. And I missed her a lot, you know,
because she was somebody that you could just go to
for advice about dumb things or things that we're even
(43:40):
like about relationships or whatever. She was always there with
a ready ear and she would always pay. But she
was cheap, but she was also expensive, so she was
like fancy but also would let you know how much
it costs. Well. I met her one time and she
just was like, I was like, so star struck. She's
(44:01):
coming out of an elevator. Is the brief, the most
brief interaction. But it just stuck with me because she
was like, Oh, we talked about you all the time
on my show. It's fabulous. Keep looking terrible, honey, it
works for you. And I was like, oh my god,
and I was like walking on to stage at this moment.
I was like, I don't know how to take that.
(44:24):
You should take it good because it's like, really like,
she only would make fun of your outfits if she
liked you. Okay, great, So that was kind of really
all because she would make fun of Michaels all the
time on that show and I loved it. So it's like,
really like she only you only like make fun of
the people you love. It's so true, right, you make
(44:44):
fun of people, you're like either you love them or
you're envious of them. And I'm pretty sure she wasn't
envious of me, so she must I'm just gonna think
she loved me. I'm sure she was envious too. Before
I let you go, I just wanted to ask you
about your podcast, the Margaret Show, Mortal Minority, and I
(45:05):
just wanted everyone who's listening to be able to know
where to find it. What it's about. From you, Well,
it's about the history of Asian American hate crimes and
juxtaposed with this modern surge in Asian American hate crimes.
So we see that it's actually a pattern, so cecyclical
nature of violence against Asian Americans, and you know, we've
(45:26):
been dealing with it since nine So I think it's
really an important podcast. And so I talked to a
lot of Asian American and influencers, artists, actors, and comedians
all across the board. You know, we're really kind of
coming together and learning about this history and learning about
what's happening now. So I really love it, and people
(45:47):
can get it anywhere they listen to podcasts. So just
listening to your podcast was so informative and I appreciate
so much just the information that you can get from it.
And I wanted to ask you if there's a particular
place or ization that you think is leading the charge
in terms of information about how to be. I think
(46:09):
I like Rice Feed, which is on Instagram, and Asians
with Attitudes on Instagram and Jackfruit on Instagram. Also said
the Fan, which is C. E. F. A. A. N
who is a New York journalist who covers a lot
of the different hate crimes that have been happening in
New York City, which there's quite a few. So it's
(46:30):
it's really important to stay aware of all of this
that's going on, and it reminds me that, um, you know,
because I was around during the AIDS epidemic and people
were using AIDS to justify their homophobic hatred and so
there was a lot of violence against gay people during
that time around AIDS, and so you know, people will
use these quote unquote excuses in order to act out
(46:54):
on hatred that they already have, and it's really unfortunate,
but it's good to know. Well, everybody should check it
out anywhere. You can listen to podcast, The Margaret Show,
Mortal Minority, And I just want to say thank you
so much for being on Cash and the Creepies. I'm
such a fan. It's such an honor. You're such an icon.
And hopefully when the world opens back up, I would
(47:16):
love to come see you perform like either music. I
would stand up anything, So just let me know when
I would be there. You thank you, keep on creeping on,
thank you for listening, and thank you for being here. Well,
this is really cool. I'm excited. I'm got so I'm
glad we got to do it.
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