"A Gay Hustler Who Murders People" (w/ Trixie Mattel)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look man, oh, I see you? Why why? And look
over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, Lost Culture
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isn't my favorite little Nanna. By the way, can I
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I think you and I which is which is the
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I say that it's weekly, and then we have to
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(00:45):
can't fulfill that. And I don't know any legions of
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can make it monthly. But basically it's called the Honesty
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we will use this platform to promote it. But it's
an Instagram Live show where it's a competition between mount
and Knights see who earns the most honesty song. Legendary

(01:08):
Legend Stars, Legendary Legends, Honesty Stars. We have Trixie Mattel.
Trixie Mattel is finally putting out like fun like rock
music that could have been out of the Freaky Friday movie.
I am loving It's never been more fountains of Wayne
to it sounds of Wayne. Oh my god, No, we
love fountains of Lane every jud I know we talked

(01:30):
about this on the last episode, your last iconic episode.
Now before we sort of like where all the piss
streams cross them just becomes a piss moment, because we're
going to just say that our guest today is a
returning guest, is a pop culture icon singer, songwriter, drag
race winner UM and that's topical. I'll tell you that
UM and, among other things, has a new shot on

(01:54):
Delight and it's called The Trixie Motel, and it documents
and chronicles really, and I think we need to be
using the word chronicles more in the culture, just to
be honestly chronicles the step four months the Trixie Motel,
it's really I I loved it. We we got to
talk to our guest about this. I really enjoyed this
whole fucking show. You better believe I watched the whole thing.

(02:16):
I watched it down here. Shed a tear at Danny
and Phillips wedding. Not for nothing that I thought it
was beautiful. I'm allowed to talk to you guys still
pretend from the road, you know. I gotta say I
stopped you guys to come back on because I just
I love I mean, I love you guys so much.
I love you want to discovery. Plus it's exactly what happened.

(02:41):
But you know what, whenever I have something to promote,
I have like a shortlist of things I actually like
that people I actually know, And that's when I reached
out to first, because let the publicist do their thing.
But I'm like, I'm my own publicist. I know people
too exactly. You know. Let me connect with the girls
because we haven't seen you since our Italian feast, since Rouse,
since we went to Rouse that wedding. Oh that's right,
you know, so much has happened. When was that was

(03:03):
right before I left for to March. That was March.
Yeah you what you love for toward the next day, Yeah,
the night I think I do believe you left right
after that. I left right after I left dinner to go.
That was fun and magical though, and you know what,
I love inviting people to restaurants that are close to
my house, regardless of the quality. And it's my favorite place.
And it's a flock away, you know what I mean?

(03:24):
Is this a free promo right now? Is it Rio's
I don't know. Is there anybody Italian who can help us?
Who's Italian? It's Mateo Lane is making a huge comeback
in my algorithm, Like all my YouTube ship is saying,
here's a Mateo Lane video because because he's he's he's

(03:44):
he's full on doing channel content and he's so good
at it. He's doing cooking tutorials and I god, we
love Mateo Lane in this child don't so funny? You
know what he and I were just talking about. This
is like a side note. We were just he and
I just did just for last two nights ago and
we were like, we were like we you still want
to be like I'm gay but I appeal to everyone,
or like I'm the gay guy who can perform in

(04:05):
any room. And now I'm like, no, no way. If
I don't make jokes that only gave people laugh at,
I'm quitting. Yeah, I want I want it to fall
on deaf ears. I want strap to straight people to
feel excluded by the content. I mean, I always say, like,
whenever I'm doing a show, I always do pold the
crowd and I say, who's straight here? And then some
of them even make noise, which I then sort of

(04:26):
like unpack, like look at you all, you straight people
cheering for yourselves? And then I say, just kidding, just kidding.
I don't want anyone to be here and feel uncomfortable
just because something is wrong with them, you know what
I mean. People they have this disease, it's affliction that
is being straight, and I just but I don't want
at my show them to feel bad about that. But
I don't care if they get the jokes. It's not
for you, right, you see the straight girls get lost,

(04:47):
and I'm like, sorry, you don't know about poppers. Sorry
they haven't done a mini challenge on drag Race on
the subject yet. But I don't sound irresponsible. It's not
responsible to ducate you. But straight girls have from poppers though,
yes they have, Yes they have, yes, What what do
you guys think is going on psychologically spiritually with people
who do poppers? In the middle of a night out

(05:09):
at a club, I do it um, I do it okay,
and I guess we've done together. Tricks what I was
teaching the other night and somebody reached over the decks
and was like and I was like, are you on
crack coke? Because I get out of here like I think,
I don't know. No, it's great because there are songs

(05:32):
that are popper songs. You know this trick che Charlie,
Any anything by Charlie, anything by Charlie, A good Puss,
Good Posts by Cobra. Yeah, yes, honey, do you know
what I mean? Like? These are these are popper songs?
I mean not for nothing, can't be anything you get
excited about. I was at the Tricks the other night
and they played sleep at Night, and I was ready
to pop the poperas how do you sleep the nut?

(05:54):
I wanted the popperas popped when when the second verse
of not ready to make nice Baby pop the popper,
I'm saying, when you find out what happens to Earle,
I'm fucking flying high. I'm so ran flying ya. That's
a slippery slope. It could be like oh o'riley's and
you're like, oh fuck you d alright, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(06:16):
and mama's got white like funk at the paper. You know,
it could be anything. Stanley, Yeah, I want to to
Stanley Steamer is so bad. Anytime you listen to a
radio station, it's like one else six point one b
l I or in your car going through your fucking
like dude cabinets like open box. Not even that you

(06:40):
have a wet rag like that movie with Um with
a guy in the club snipping the rag. But you
know what, al Pacino already plays the hustler. No, he
plays like a gay hustler who like is murdering people. Right,
I don't know al Paccino played a gay hustler who's
murdering people. I think so, I don't look at that's

(07:01):
the title of that gay hustler who murders people? Is
the title of your second app That's what you are?
Queer film, it's cruising. But you know plays Burns, a
detective trying to solve a series of homosexual murders. He
goes under convert pretending to be a gay sn m person.
I love that where he's like dancing at a club

(07:23):
sniffing a rack, like, oh my god, yeah he's goody
he's That's that that is the word for what we
do in the club, the gays. We get together and
bring gooning back, gooning and baiting and bading, you know what,

(07:44):
you know what I'm word that. I was talking to
Mary Beth Burrone and she wants to bring back geeks
as an insult, like you're fucking geek, Like, yeah, I
love that. People have been way too proud of that
for too long. Yeah, well it's nerds now now. Like
nerds people are like I'm a nerd and like there's
a pride fullness about it, which like great, good for you.
But geeks is like, there's no way you make that

(08:04):
seem cool. No, That's what sucks about the internet is
anyone can have a community now and feel empowered. Anyone
can get online and find an online community and feel empowered.
So you have these geeks and these nerds getting together
and their geek and nerd communities, and suddenly they're walking
into school with their heads held high, and I think
it's disgusting. And what I have to say to them, geeks,
you're fucking geeks? Why also, only hot cool people who

(08:26):
like exploit one avenue of their personality that might be
slightly geeky and they're like, I'm such a dark yeah
fucking nerd. It's Pokemon for these gay guys gay and
the first thing they go to is Pokemon. And I
say that as a Pokemon fan for life, but like, yeah,
who's also one of the coolest people in America? Bowen,
thank you. Well that's the thing. But unless you have

(08:48):
a Twitch channel where you live open Pokemon cards eight
hours a day, you are not a nerd, you know,
I mean, show me, show me the real receipts, show
me the squirrel tattoo on your face, bit, show me
the reality. Wow, Okay, why out? But is there have
you done that before? Like is there one thing about
you that you have like for you? Is it? Like, well,
I like folk music? Did you ever use that as
like a geek nerd card? No one thinks liking folk

(09:10):
music is cool. People who do folk music don't think
it's It's a little like musical theater where people, even
people who do it, are like, isn't it m yea.
And also a lot of people who do electronic music
and stuff E. D M. They it's like start they
started in real instruments, folky ship and then at some
point of flips, which like they turn focus their past

(09:31):
and their beginning, and then they turned to d M music.
Like Maggie Rogers. Yeah, I remember reading an interview about
Moby like saying that he like went to a gay
club and heard like house music for the first time,
and his complete like desire and music changed. He was like,
I want to do. I think that's a real thing
about Maggie Rodgers too, Like she went to school because

(09:52):
she went to the Clid Davis School at n y U,
which is like very very tough to get into, Like
they genuinely try to prepare people to become like recording
superstars and like big producers. And she was like a
folk artist period, and then being in the city, I
think she was exposed to like club music, and that's
when she did her thing and had her like iconic
YouTube clip with Farrell where he she was playing her

(10:14):
song for him and he was like, who the fuck
is this girl? And then she became Mr totally yeah,
folk music, I mean I don't have anything like that.
I mean drag well, I mean drag drag wasn't very
it wasn't very cool until recently. So I mean there
was a depresident does drag, you know what I mean?
That's like everyone does, everyone does drag. Everyone. It's oh,

(10:35):
it's definitely Barbie's because people are like, I love Barbie,
and I'm like, but where were you in nineteen sixty
two with fashion? You know what I mean? Like, because
I really know when fashion Queen Barbie hit the scene,
Fashion Queen Barbie. Yes on the show Yes with James Yes.
The way I'm gonna go to Like it's like when
nerds go to superhero movies and they hate it no

(10:56):
matter what. That's gonna be me with with the Barbie movie,
I'm gonna be like, are you excited and thrilled? I'm
excited and thrilled because I love anything about something I love.
No one hates the Sims more than Sims stands. No
one hates drag race more than drag race dance, No
one writes Stephen King adaptation. So I don't participate in

(11:17):
loving something and therefore hating it. I think that's psycho
And you know what, that's that's really important, And that's
actually something about stand culture that I'm like, if you
were a real stand And I'm just gonna bravely say
this right now Okay, a real tailor stand would want
her to not fly in that private jet as much
as she does. A real tailor Stan would be like,

(11:37):
reduced the emissions, mama. And some of these stand Twitter
threads are like it's so funny. It's so funny to
watch like a threat of teller supporting the environment. Taylor's
lyrics are said to say things about trees. Taylor album
Folklore and two thousand and twenty and it was very
much taking place in the woods, which is the environment.

(11:59):
It's like ease, which is trees. Actually, so she never
got on the plane ever in her life. And I'm
just like, guys, it's okay to stand someone and I
think this is important and also hold them to account.
It's like when you're being a friend and you see
that your friend is in trouble, a real friend says something. Period.
It's also okay to like someone's art and not personally

(12:20):
co sign on every moral decision they've ever made. Like
the way now we require people we stand to have
the same beliefs. We even we even require corporations to
have values. We we we require clean x during the
month of June to show us that they like gay
people or it doesn't matter to me. If Coca Cola

(12:42):
says they like gay people, that's not a person. That's
not even like, what are we talking about. It's actually
a real culture number four, Coca Cola Cola, that's not
the person. Yeah, every Prime month, it's like we're ready
to show that. You know, Nike, Nike is fierce. I'm like,
it's a shoe, Mary, and it's a flat so it's

(13:06):
not even a hell. We're going back to the Barbie thing.
I love. I think you did. You did have a
quote or something about Margot Robbie that I loved because
you were like when I think of Margart Robbie, I
think relatable. That's my grandma, that's my I know, I know,
you know I did. I did get called in of course,

(13:28):
and you know she and I, well, she and I
get seen in a lot of the same rooms, do
you know what I mean? Always for the Barbie type,
it's either going to be Margot that you were not
asked to be in the movie though trick state everybody
and their mother, isn't it her tomorrow? Weaving? You know
what I mean? Like Naomi Watts for some time, like
we'd all be it's like, hey, Weaving, Tomorrow Weaving, she

(13:52):
just shot up in bed and it's like, huh someone
and ears are burning. Oh I hope she is. I
love you Smorrow. So yeah, but I didn't get asked
me in the movie. But I will say, and I
believe in predicting the future. When times come time to
promote that movie, you know this Hord is going to
get a call. You know, I'm gonna go do some
red carpet where I have to be like, you know,

(14:13):
what was it like putting on a blond wig? You know,
like of course, and I'll do it, and I'll do it.
Your rate has to be so no, but you have
to do it for so much money. But I'm gonna
tell you, because I'm a person to wig, the opening
call will be it's a great opportunity for you. We
don't have budget at this time, but we do need
you to fly yourself to North Korea and need to
interview Margot Robbie while jumping out of a plane. And

(14:38):
it's opportunity and please look absolutely fabulous that's what you
want to say. And we do need to submit for
offits for approval three months in advance. It's it's literally
going to be that. I mean, it's crazy, but good
for them. Good for them. Can I ask, where was
that your decision to be Well, you were epeeing on
the show, but where is that your decision to be

(14:58):
in drag for most of Tricksy Motel. Yes, I wanted
to be in drag all the time originally, unfortunately, because
originally Dave and I conceived the show. We created it
and conceived it like we were watching like My Life
on the Delist, the Simple Life, The Comeback, and Brady Renovation.
So like there's the reno element with the camp element,
and then there's parts in the show where we're kind

(15:20):
of playing reality show like it's a little bit my
favorite parts of the of the fucking show where when
you guys were pretending to be on a reality show?
Are I mean, yes, there's a part in the last episode.
It opens with me um Emily Hampshire from Ship's Creek
checking in and we do like an improv comedy scene
basically where I trick her into working at the motel

(15:42):
and it's like, well, I'm the person in a wig
and pretending to be real is my reality and drag
so we can sort of do reality TV skit as
reality TV because it is real. I mean, we did
spend two million dollars on a building that we had
to renovate that was all real, so we already had
enough reality, you know. But we love doing like the
I mean, I just love being a drag as much

(16:03):
as could. Unfortunately, with Palm Springs and it's renovations, I
can't exactly sit there and do manual labor and drag.
You know, it's too much or whatever. But like, ye
and I did a lot of it. I mean, if
you watch like the time lap sections, it'll be like
the sun going down and you'll see me in a
room painting a mural for hours, like running around fast motion.
So it's not like we did the It was also

(16:25):
like a balancing act. Because I said this affectionately to
the friends at Discovery Plus, they said, well, I'm not
like other rental talent. I have a career, like I
have a job, so like, in addition to renovating this,
I have I have to go the stobody gigs and
the makeup company and like, so half the show probably
has to be following me to my other jobs because
I'm not just like pretending to paint and then they

(16:45):
all cut and I go sit on a beam big
chair for two days, you know, the actual thing, and
it's our real building, our real business. So like we
we had to spend half million dollars on just rent.
I mean there's a myth that renovation television they give
you a bunch of money and do everything for free.
That is not true. It was your own budget. That
was your own money. Yes, I mean they do things

(17:06):
like trade outs, like for example, let's say you're reading
your kitchen and Black and Decker wants to give you
a free fridge and stuff right right right, and that's great,
or done Edwards wants to donate the paint for your
living room. Like they definitely definitely can get items more
than you get a giant wire transfer to use as
you please. Like that's at least a Vanderpump actually gifts. Yes, Well,

(17:26):
when I pitched you to her, I was like, you know,
we're all gonna do Like it's gonna be a little
bit Turxy's famous friends forced into manual labor. I mean
that's kind of the energy, right, you have like the
coule buyer showing up in full hair and makeup and
She's like, so, what are we doing? And I said,
here's a brush and she's like, oh, we're like horrible pack.
I'm like, here's a hammer. We're really doing this. But
Vanderpump was like, I'm not doing that. She was like,

(17:48):
I'll do She's like, I'll buy you something. I said, yeah,
But she's not. You know, she's very involved in her businesses,
but she's I don't think I'm gonna get her on
the on her hands and knees, ling up, you know,
tongue and group. She laid every bricket, sir though she
that was every depict sir completely. I mean, she is

(18:09):
very self sufficient though. I mean, she's arguably the richest
most famous person we had on the on the show,
and she's the only one who drives himself, insists on
doing their own hair and makeup and didn't require that really,
And then you have I've learned through producing now that
the newest, youngest celebrities are the most insane with their demands,
and the oldest, most established celebrities are like, I'll drive myself.

(18:31):
It's fine, I don't need here to make up. You
want to know what it is? I bet that they're
the novelty of getting all that ship is just over
for them because it just means they have to talk
to more people. And she's like, because you do realize
like when they do, like like when it is really involved,
like these new people who are like not used to
being driven places and have hair and makeup and like
the snacks of it all and the being handled, it's

(18:52):
like exciting for them. Well at Leasta Vanderbums like, yeah, no,
I don't want to talk to anyone. I'm coming, we're
shopping and I'm out. Yeah. She also because I was
producing the show, and she also knows like it's all
my own money and my own budget, so she was like,
whatever saved you the most money, whatever's easiest, you know,
that's awesome. I specifically love the parts that were like

(19:18):
playing reality you and David specifically where it was like,
you know, you would like get the news that the
permits or the licenses weren't working out in the way
that they were supposed to, and then it would cut
away to you guys in the confessional, and then you
would turn to David and be like, David, he didn't
tell me that the liquor licenses had to be signed
in blood or what you know, like whatever or whatever
the hell it was like. It was kind, it was

(19:38):
just very it was very cute. And I don't mean
that in a patronizing way, but I was just like, oh,
this is so, this is a lovely viewing experience. Well,
David didn't even want to be on this. I mean,
David's a producer. He never wanted to be on camera.
He never wanted to be on the show. Originally, when
I pitched the show, it was kind of me and
my assistant a little bit like the comeback. But then
because it's you know, renovation is sort of family based,

(19:58):
right your home, your business is about your personal stakes. Yes,
So then they're like, well, your partners producing the show
really owns half the business, really is in it with you,
And they're like, well, he needs to be on it.
So then I turned to David, who's nervous, sweaty and
camera shy, and be like, you have you know, it's
like you have to be on this show. Now. It's
funny that I have so many friends who would shoot

(20:19):
someone to be on television, and then David, who earnestly
doesn't want to be Starting with everything, it's so funny.
He like him in interviews just never know when fame
is going to come. He's really funny. He just wanted
to make the show, and watching him be forced into
being in it is really funny to me because he
doesn't want to be on it. I also, like, I

(20:39):
don't think I understood in the beginning that like this
was an like I understood it as an actual When
the show was first announced, I was like, Oh, that
won't be something you can actually stay in. And then
it's like, absolutely something you can actually stay in. And
you know, I was on the website yesterday looking at
rates and I'm like, roast me. No girl, No, first

(21:01):
of all, I'm not I'm not dragging. I'm saying I'm
getting a gay army together and I'm taking over the
Trixie Motel. I think it's going to happen in November.
You should. We've only been opening it like a couple
of months in advance because we're really trying to prioritize
people who want to rent like the whole thing for
their friends for the weekend. I think that that's a
hard thing because it is so fun and I have

(21:22):
to just say, like I was sitting here drinking my
weed seltzer, fucking basking in it. It is so gorgeous
to look at it. It's just like every single room
like it is so fun, and I honestly was having
a really hard time picking a favorite. I do think
that like there is something to the Malibu Barbara room.

(21:42):
I just I really really respond to that because I
feel like I can't book the oh Honeymoon Sweet for myself,
but everyone, you gotta go on the website Trixi Motel,
and honestly, this would be a really fun thing to
do with all your friends. But look at all the pictures.
Obviously watch the show, but like you can see on
the whole website. The website, by the way, is a
mzing like really well laid out, very very like just

(22:04):
you're so good at all this, but like it was
really fun to like engage with it while I was
watching because I was getting excited about a Palm Springs getaway.
And my question for you is can you play music outside?
Because it's a commercial space, you can't fuck wow, So
if nobody knows, I'm sure you guys have talked about it,
because you guys visit PS you and at Rental, you
you guys real as got kicked the iPhone in the

(22:31):
middle of outside. Yes, my friend Krishliker was dressed as
a cat and he had to go to the door
and field the leasting person saying, not only are you
not allowed to do this, but you all have to
leave within the hour, pack up your ship now, no
second chances. It was. It was really crazy. And if

(22:53):
you are going to Palm Springs and you think, oh,
won't happened to us, listen to my voice, the voice
of truth. It will have been to you. Honey, you
are in danger. Girl. We will be offering a lot
of well. First of all, we have like the disneyland
Rocks thing where music plays from somehow nowhere. We have that.
In addition to that, we have a lobby that you

(23:13):
could throw You can put a disco ball up in
there and throw a dance party inside if you want,
like more of a vibe. We also have things like um,
a movie theater screen that you can put up by
the pool with the projector so you can put on
a movie of choice and swim and drink and watch
your favorite movie with your friends. David and I used
to go to Palm Springs and are options for either
stay in a soulless Airbnb that's clearly a rental owned

(23:33):
by rich bags where I can get literally kicked out
from my phone ringing too loud, or stay in a
rotted boutique motel that was gutted, or the or the
margar Yta bill, which is fine, but like the flip
flop is a stiletto. With the Margarada bill, that's a
I'm gonna say so, that's the flip flop. And honestly

(23:57):
we love Palm Springs and we love that they came
in there are in their sixties, living their twenties, and
it's it's timeless. Everybody is soun damage like an old
leather bag, but presenting the spirit of a sixteen year
old girl. And we honestly like we wanted to contribute
something that we felt like was like glaringly missing. And
nobody's more sixties in California than Trixie, so it was like,

(24:20):
this is it's perfect. We were looking at um, we're
on Zillo, and I was looking at domestic like listings
because I thought I'd just get a pink place and
make it a house that's pink, and I put you know,
and that motel showed up. Because it was zoned as condos,
we didn't even look at other commercial properties. So it
was like it was like fate, like the universe presented
me with a seven room pink motel and I was like,

(24:43):
it's a long shot. We just gotta look at it.
I was like, let's just look at it. And so
then you know, David went without me and looked. He
was like, He's like, this place has like a magic.
He was like, we have to do this. I mean,
you know, we've done a lot of weird things with
Trixie over the years, like you know, the makeup company
or O hims and stuff, but a motel was really
a hard left. But once we started, I was like,

(25:05):
this feels exactly trixy, Like it all makes sense, it all, yeah,
because Tricksie is sort of the in addition to being
blonde in California and sixties, she's sort of at her
heart like an earnest capitalist, you know, in a fantasy,
but she's a little bit Mickey Mouse where it's like
it's earnest and it's also trying to sell you something.

(25:26):
And but also with Paul Springs, again, I love Palm
Springs and it was a rock and a hard place
between the rental I didn't want to stay in or
motel I don't want to stay and it was like, well,
let's make something that is really going to gag the
children and I every room my face, even though I
knew what the designs were, and a lot of them
I participated in making them, walking into them furnished. Every time.

(25:46):
I was like, we are about to snap on all
these homes. And there's there's something inherently vacation about Trixie too,
like tricky, Like what in fact, wasn't one of your
intro looks? Like as if she was, she wasn't you
weren't where? Yeah, Like it was giving like I'm here
for vacation, Like it really is like one of those

(26:08):
things that it seems like you stumbled into because not
only were all the opportunities there, but also it is
one of those things where it's just like pretty perfect
branding wise. Yeah. I mean, even the character of Barbies
from a fictional small town in Wisconsin and moves to
California like Malibi to pursue their dreams. So like even
that to me was like, Okay, that's actually from small

(26:28):
town Wisconsin and there's something about Trixie. Even though I'd
never really Bend Upon Springs, by the time I started
going there, it was like I went, I found the
characters like home. It was like because everything sixties there, right,
and so it feels like every room what your audio
was well for a second and you were going m

(26:50):
m and it went like this, it went like m M.
That's when you were laughing. Can capture to roll it
now play it now? YEA. But I also like, um,

(27:10):
there's something it's it's also the paradox of being earnestly
capitalist like Trixie, but Trixi is still a queer small business.
So like it. It's not evil now, it's like I
can give you something really cunty. And also part of
the threads of drag is money. Someone comes out and drag,
you give the money. It's part of the exchange. Is

(27:33):
part of the art of drag is yeah. And then
even like you know, we the motels and Palm Springs
are priced. It's a vacation town in California. The motels
for what they're priced, I just always felt like they
weren't giving and so I was like, let's do something
at this Palm Springs price point that actually is giving,
not to mention every room is giving different, Like you

(27:55):
are to get Malibu Barba is totally different than Atomic Bombshell.
Atomic Bombshell is my favorite really there. Yeah, the colors
are gorgeous an Atomic Bombshell. They're all really good. Malibu Barbara.
I will say that I didn't anticipate that being a
lot of people's favorites, but that was people's life. They
love it. And then Atomic Bombshell we knew just because

(28:15):
it was kind of boyish in a way. We were like,
people are gonna love this. Yeah, yeah, is it genuinely
close to Hunters and like all those places, Like is
it like maybe maybe five minutes up the street? Yeah? Yeah,
you get to town and you take a right right there.
It was listed as a condo, but then did you
have to like go through rezoning ship for it to

(28:35):
be like a commercial thing or no, No, it's listed
as both. And if you watch the show, you'll notice
a lot of our trials and tribulations have to do
with permitting I mean a nightmare. Yeah. The mayor Palm
Springs told me in an episode she said she was
she's a former mayor. She was the first queer female mayor,
I think in California, and she said, Palm Springs is
like no place else and we want to keep it

(28:56):
that way, which is why they are rigid. If you
want to paint your front door and pump Springs, you
need approval, the exact stade, everything. And when we painted
the motel, the city said they didn't like it and
they were gonna start finding us every month. And I said,
well how, I said, how much is the fine? I
don't care if it drains us like a swamp. I'm
not changing the color of this motel. Is it currently
draining you like a swamp? You know? They changed their mind,

(29:18):
I think, but like, but there's a lot of things
like for example, we removed one of the um We
removed one of the drains in the in the pool
and then found out that was code. So one day
we woke up to a sign that said, like your
in violation of the city's Then we had to drain
the pool put in another drain. Little things you never
think of. Our original idea was to put my eyes
in a mirror on the bottom of the pool, but

(29:38):
it's a safety hazard because it can obstruct the view
of someone drowning, well strict honestly the music thing I
was genuinely thinking about because I was like, if this
has to be a silent thing like that, would that
that I think we heard about the factory, we'll have
disneyland rocks, and I'm that we're calling them disneyland rocks

(29:59):
really making very happy, and the fact that they're on
premises is is made. It's made well. I don't think
you can go wild, like we can't do thump with thumpa.
But like some of my dreams of the motel is
to do appearances that not tell anyone. So it's particularly
my dream is to like at nine am on a Sunday,
bring my turntables out there and start deejaying and just
have people like come out, come out, or like Dolly

(30:24):
showing up to Dollywood. Yeah, like me and a maid
outfit just cleaning rooms at day. I want people to
be gagged like this person is really here. Because one
thing we didn't have to inflate making the show was
the stakes. This is our real money, This is a
real business. Not to mention doing business with your partner
introduces a lot of stress, introduces a lot of you
really start to see the things you love about each

(30:47):
other turn into the things you really start to the cracks.
You see the cracks starting to show, and is go
time on your relationship. That's why I always say couples
should go on reality television to face the ultimate test.
I've worked in hospitality, like through gay bars and stuff.
I've been a delivery driver, a dishwasher, a server, a
shot girl, and applying that like pre drag race working,

(31:10):
and nobody mentions that pre drag race we are bar employees.
We all work in hospitality. In post drag race. I've
been to every gay bar on the planet. I've stayed
in every motel and hotel in every city. So what
better way to apply all that knowledge than to open
like basically like a mini queer Dollywood and be like,
I'm gonna avenge all the wrongs I've ever been wrong

(31:33):
in places by making it fierce, and of course, treat
your employees like the ship you were treated. Really just
drag them, yes what okay? This? It is hard to
hire in Palm Springs. It's it's a town of the
people on people on vacation, people who are retired, and
there's quite a fierce drug problem in the Pump Springs,
So it's not not everyone's resume is screaming out hire me. Yeah,

(31:56):
their resume is just screaming because they're inside your house screaming,
you know, you know, and the break ins, and I
mean Palm Springs is stunning to look at, but it
has its own social problems. I mean, California itself, in
many areas, is a living, breathing human rights violation in
Palm Springs is is not immune to that. So even
hiring the right people, you know, it's almost like we

(32:19):
finished the renovation and we wrapped the series and it
was like, oh am, Dave and I are standing there
in this literal palace where everything is perfect, and then
we're like, we have to open this now to let
people walk around in here. All my gay friends being
like the way I'm going to come to your motel
and fucking get plugged. I'm like, everybody's like threatening to

(32:41):
defile the motel. Everyone's like the way I'm getting fisted
in the like I'm like, okay, laid down a tarp
or people are like friends they're going to steal and
I'm like, no, Iggy is who in the series. She
she was a former motel cleaner, and she comes into
you can really make a bed that was hospital corners.

(33:01):
She has the hospital quarters down. Yes, And that's the
thing about anybody in entertainment. We all have some hospitality
bones in us, right, because we all have done. And
it was interesting watching Iggy, who is kind of a living,
breathing Betty Boop or Angeline or something, watching her come
in with this real world knowledge and she's just like, Oh,

(33:22):
everything in your room, it's gonna get stolen. If it's
not getting stolen, it's getting come on it. I'm like,
holy shit. She's like, my biggest thing is have doubles
of everything, and I'm like, everything, and here's one of
a kind. Yeah, there's no doubles. You supposed to call
Jonathan Adler and say, can you send me another four
thousand dollar dresser please. Once you stay in a hotel,
you realize how much come is all over everything, because

(33:45):
when you're in the hotel room, you're the one producing
to come. And I can never come more than when
I'm in a hotel room. It's just sort of the
truth of my life. And so to think that when
I'm checking into a place and hasn't been absolutely desecrated
by the pig that was in there before me. Is
just it's just not the truth and not just my
comb And also like I'm you know, people go to

(34:07):
hotels and wipe their asses with towels, do you you know
what I mean? Like people hotels are in a way,
they're inviting you to do things that you weren't do
in your own home. Yeah, because you don't have to
deal with that after yes, And I hope that because
I mean at this place you're basically sleeping in an
art installation. I hope that we discourage people for being
too gross. Um, but you never know, you never know.

(34:31):
It wasn't Iggy the one on the show who is
like people behave anonymously in these hotel rooms or in
any hotel room because because they feel like they can.
And that's why that that just like brings out every
dark instinct in your in your mind absolutely. I mean
it's like when you get and drag you become another person.
When you did a hotel, it's weird because you're giving

(34:55):
them your first and last name and your credit card
on file. Why would that encourage you to act foolish
and break things? And that feces on things. I don't know,
you're not not not to mention. They have a way
to financially charge you for your long doing so I
don't know why we go so yellow hotels. The other day,
I was in a hotel in Chicago, and I swear

(35:15):
to god, it was pristine. It was like a nice hotel.
I won't say where or what it was for, but
it's pristine. And I look over and on the shower
wall is just a clump of hair, like from one
of those like scary movie. It was like insidious. It
was like a clump of hair just like hanging on
the wall, like like very much like a long haired

(35:38):
woman was in the shower and like I don't know
how this happened with her hair, but it was clumped
on the wall, and it was just so shocking because
everything else was an iggy azalea folded corner. Everything else
was was like truly lickerty motherfucking split, And there was
a chunk of hair on the wall and I was

(36:00):
just looking at it like and I just stood in
the shower and looked at it long enough where I
was like, can I shower with this next to me?
Or am I gonna have to not shower right now
to call someone up and explain what this is and
get this taken care of. Ultimately, I did stand in
the shower next to the chunk, but I was not
happy about it, and I actually never reported it. Well
you know, it wasn't me, you know, but also I

(36:23):
mean it could mean, it could be anyone. But listen
with people with long hair have about as much understanding
of how crazy and gross their hair is as smokers
do of how much they smell like smoke. Smokers are like,
oh I had a mint. I'm like, okay, so now
you smell like someone shoved a tic tac in the

(36:44):
end of a burning cigarette. Like you smell this you
Still when I worked at the mac counter, I remember
my stency manager. She would, um, I just I've never
really understood smoking, and I guess when I was younger,
I didn't really know. You don't never know if you're
talking to a smoker when you say something, right, So
I remember she was like, do you smoke at the interview?
And I said no, like I said it like yeah.

(37:06):
I was like no, and she was like, well some
of us do, so just like you know, And I
remember she was. She was one of those smokers, like
every hour, right, every hour, And I feel sort of
up and down about the ethics of smoking at work,
and like, if I want to go kick rocks outside
once an hour, I should be sucking out to too, right.
But if you are doing someone to makeup, you're touching

(37:27):
their face. You're touching their face, and you're like, well
it a minute, Mary, Mary, your hands, your hands, it's
hammer time, bitch, Like wash that hair, um, come back
in a towel. It went. It's one of the things
about cigarettes used as a lead is a lingering thing
that no one can say that it does have an

(37:48):
odor at least. And now I work with Katya, so like,
you know, I've seen fire and right as far as
smoking at least is the only one I know who
like is a smoker. And she's like, yeah, the smell.
She's like, I know, it's hor you know it's you
have to read it. Get it doesn't It doesn't help, sure,
but acknowledging it does not solve the problem. Sorry. Yeah,

(38:09):
I'm just happy with her that smoking is the most
self If she if that's her biggest self destruction that day,
I'm like, yeah, yeah, I got on. I got on
about his cigarette smoking, but then he does not anymore.
I'm so sorry for just monologuing about that in front
of you. Do you see what I mean? Trust me,
But identifying as a smoker also like means that you
just have to take it like a champ. Whenever someone

(38:32):
like goes into a diet tribe about how bad smoking
it is, because we know you know that it's awful.
I also drink, and it's like, well, you can't be
in illusions about that either, right, like drinking right right?
If if you got drunk the night before, you definitely
don't smell good the next morning. Both that takes you
back to college. Remember this one kid, Like we would
go to ballet like eight thirty in the morning on
a Friday, and people would smell like Thursday, thirsty Thursday,

(38:54):
and you would smell like the beer coming out of
their pores. And you're like, I've been that person. I
was that person when I was younger. And that's because
it's like it's like and that's why I like always
like check myself after I do get on. But one
about a smoking because then when we were in the pines,
like like this last time I was pretty much smoking

(39:15):
cigarettes all day every day, like, and I find I
don't know about that, but when you do smoke a lot,
when you're smoking, like you there is like when you're smoking,
you're helping a lot. And so that week, that week,
I don't know why I filed it away in my
brain like this is gonna be my cigarette week. And
I literally have not since and don't have a desire to.

(39:35):
But I will say like I understood for a second
the thing of needing to literally blow off steam. And
the only time I got into a little altercation with someone,
I was smoking a cigarette. And I think, honestly, that's
enough for me to be like, no, it makes you
like one of those bitches who sits there and smokes
and fights like you can't smoke cigarettes. There's something about

(39:57):
like the glamor and attitude of it for me that
I literal really started in with our friend James Scully
on something he said I like to pop off at
him and he was like, are we doing housewives right now?
And I was like, I literally stopped myself immediately. I
was like, yeah, I don't know what. I think. It's
the cigarette. I'm so sorry, Oh my god, Like two
puffs in your like three to one. I just think
it's funny. I just think it's funny. Is like the

(40:21):
most toxic anything? Like well, I literally said to him
the line I said was and it was a Housewives
line was it was everything was going fine until you
said that stupid ship. And he was like, oh, are
we doing Housewives? And I was like, oh my god,
I'm so sorry. Now, oh my god. It was like
a refer madness, but like anti smoking, like that for

(40:43):
anti smoking, like somebody snapping, and it's almost like the
you become a real diva when you're hungry commercial bit, Yeah,
like you having two puffs of a cigarette and then
like a Housewives like like throwing wine glass and smashing it.
I mean, I haven't been keeping up with the program.

(41:12):
I don't know if I'm allowed to It has about
the Bravo pilot I did. No, I don't know if
I'm allowed to say this, but I'm just gonna say it.
So during COVID, I had the pleasure of being part
of a pilot that was supposed to be a show
that was going to have housewives and different franchises um
competing and food and drinks sort of nailed its style
challenges against each other different franchises, being like today you

(41:36):
have to cook this food, you have to make this drink,
and you have to set the table, and then judges
will like decide who was the ultimate housewife and I
didn't have everything Elsewives, And that's when I started texting
you math that. I was like, I'm watching Housewives for
the first time. Um, so then I had to binge
a bunch of it. And that's how I even found
out who Lisa was, because I didn't when I met her.

(41:57):
I did never see it. I remember when you were
watching the early seasons Everly Hills and you were you
were sort of falling in love with Lisa as you
were working with her in real life, and it seems
like that actually is a warm, good relationship, which makes
me like l VP more oh lvps, real bitch friend.
I haven't, and you know, she's a drag queen entirely,
but it was weird knowing her and then reading her
origin story at the same time. It was like, yeah, exactly,

(42:20):
but if you're saying, oh, there, I hope it sees
the light of day and I hope to get in trouble.
But there was an housewife, Karen Huger from Potomac, and
we got to do an episode with her, and you
don't think we'll ever see the light of day. Um,
let's just say allegedly this allegedly happened. What happened, And
let's say allegedly she had to cook food and uh

(42:42):
started her kitchen on fire during the episode. Oh my god,
that Karen. That needs to be on television because that
is And now I'm thinking, now I'm thinking what she
looks like in my mind trying to put out a
fire in the kitchen. And it's TV. It's Frasier the show.
And that's how funny it is. It's as funny as
sure well it's I think that in housewives world there's

(43:02):
no happy media. There's the women who cooking is their
art almost and there's the women who are like, I
can't turn the stove on. It's no medium, it's no media,
you know. And I guess, especially through the business creating
the motel business, that's something Banner Pope is a really
good resource on because she, you know, does the men

(43:23):
use at her restaurants like does the drink menuse a
it's a bar, it's going to be a bar for
the guests, and then we will work out some sort
of like food from other places program, because I mean,
if you want, you know, you have to have the
square footage. Palm Springs is small. Are property small? You
can't even build new structures from the curb. I had

(43:44):
to learn all the rules of Palm Springs. WHOA, I
love Palm Springs. Where do you guys like to go
when you're there? I mean, see bone hasn't gone as
much as I've got my favorite bar there as quads.
I love quads. I love screaming along to musical theater.
I took you there right bow. Yeah, it was fun.
And this is why I also like what is it

(44:05):
show tune Sundays in the Pines? Like I love anything
where faggots can get together and scream these these stupid songs,
Like I want to see a bunch of faggots like
scream along to somewhere that scream exactly, you know what
I mean. And then when it gets a little too
weird and everyone's like huh, Like I love those moments

(44:26):
where it's like this, it's it's not even like all
that jazz. It's class from Chicago, you know, what I mean.
It's like it's the seasides, and I love it. I
love it when it gets weird at those things. I
love a show tune in a bar I do or
like they put on the Jennifer Hudson. I'm telling you
I'm not going, and some fag it's like it's sho
about the Jennifer you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, there There

(44:48):
is nothing like somewhere that's green coming on and every
bunch of loud fags and like crying and then going
back to like second cock at the bar, like good,
like did I hear row next time? And you're like, okay,
now we're here. Whoa a little I kind of have
turned on musical theater and but um Little Shop of
Horrors is my all time favorite, and it loves it

(45:09):
gives what it needs to give. I don't know if
you guys have ever read the libretto of that. It
reads like surgery. Like she says this line. She takes
two steps and then turns and says this line. Which
is why every performance of it, in production of it,
no matter with the scale, is base level good because
the music and its storytelling is good, so it's not
relying on a star or a big budget it's just

(45:31):
a good story with good music, with good jokes. It's
Howard Ashman. It's like it's so good, like the writing is.
Then you realize it is Howard Ashman and you're like, oh,
of course this is genius Tricksie Conrad Rick Amora from
the movie like did um the off Broadway um one
that's on now and it's over. But he was stunning,
And that was the last time I've seen it. But

(45:52):
it really is good every time. I will say it
does get a little too fucking weird for me in
terms of the plot, like an act too, I'm sort
of just like get crazy crazy. I mean Act one though,
is like perfect, but Act two story wise for me,
like it gets weird, but that music is truly you
saw it's unbelievable. And I remember, not to be a nerd,

(46:14):
but I wrote when I was in college during musical
theater history, I had to do like a big, big
deg dive on a musical and of course I picked
that one. And like I remember watching a video interview
of Ellen Green saying that like she was thinking she
kind of got the role, and she was pretty sure
she got it, and they were kind of like creating
the role and kind of casting her. But she said
the first time, she's saying somewhere that's green her Alan

(46:36):
and Howard sat and cried afterwards because I think that
she knew and they knew, like they just created like
a mask, because she created it as much as they did,
you know. And of course, and you guys know a
few years ago, she's just doing it with um Toby,
not Jake Dylan Hall, I mean fucking icon dude, and

(47:01):
like playing a character like that that's basically like a
Betty Boop inflation, but rooted and like real real, like
it's real. I remember it's so annoying, but I hate
musical theater. But when I was in college, I remember
they were like, you're playing things real and unrealistic scenarios
and like horrors is exactly that it's real for them. Yeah. Oh,

(47:23):
I recently watched Watchman for the first time, the series,
and it's like that too, where it's like inflated situations
but they played like real. Yeah. Matt still hasn't watched,
and I've been imploring Matt to watch it for years.
At this point, It's isn't Jeane smart? That was like
the first moment for you where I was like Regine
Smart was making this comeback, and I was like, funk,
I've missed Jean Smart so much. She is so damn

(47:44):
good in Nut Show and Regina Kang obviously, but yeah,
I mean this isn't you, but GAY mean in general,
we love a woman when she's brand new and young,
and we love her old, right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
People a couple of years ago were like, I fucking
always love Laura during I'm like, for two decades you didn't, Yeah,
where were you? Where were you during the dark days?

(48:05):
Where were you during distant times where the Hollywood wouldn't
even answer the phone for Laura when you're sixty, you
know what I mean? Like you better be twenty and
wet or a death store. It's actually quite queer, I
would say to um stand someone in their middle career,

(48:28):
middle era, like I am newly obsessed with Melanie Lynskey,
Melanie Lynsky, and now that I'm watching Yellow Jackets finally
I'm like, Wow, I'm upset. I will watch every single
interview you do. I will listen to that crazy Kiwi accent.
She's so damn good. I love her she's so much
genuinely one of the best actresses working. I mean that
she she can do anything, and she has and that's

(48:51):
what I love about like an actress like that popping
off is just that, like thank God, Like that's why
you stick with it? Is this so that you can
one day look back like she could literally get like
lifetime and she even award honestly with everything that she's
done under the radar and now the ar. I hope
she wins the Emmy. Like I know, people I love

(49:13):
like so many other of those I guess nominees, but
like come on, give it up. Yeah, I mean it's like,
um people like like means you're like, wow, she's in,
but I'm a cheerleader, or like she's in Come Obama.
She said, she's been in everything. Yeah, I mean, have
you guys ever seen Heavenly Creatures, which was her movie

(49:33):
that she was in with Kate Winslet when she was
like they were teenagers and basically it's Peter Jackson and
they play these like girls who are best friends in
New Zealand and they're like they end up like killing
their parents. It's it's there's like they kill somebody. Um,
I haven't seen it in a really a long time,
but it's like very intense and it's Melanie Lynsky and

(49:54):
Kate Winslett, and I remember there was like an interview
at some point that was like heavenly creature. This was
an incredible experience. But it was really hard to see
her then become Kate Winslet and I was still like,
you know, doing my thing and like you know that movie,
like they were equally acclaimed, like and it was just
like that moment when you realize, like, oh, I'm a
character actress. I'm not this leading lady. Like it's going

(50:16):
to be the hard yards for me and the years
for me. And to see her now like get this
moment is like, yes, thank God, there's gonna be a
couple of years where I'm updating my own Wikipedia, you know.
But you know I always think that, not to bring
it back to I mean, I worshiped her. I always
think of RuPaul because she basically, and this is said
with love, she was like this huge, massive star right

(50:38):
icon and then for like a decade, not entertainment, not
doing anything, punchline almost yeah, and then she showed up
and she basically told a whole generation of people in
case she forgot I am the most famous drig queen
of all time, and the newest generation said yes you
are when really like this is a complete comp meant

(51:00):
and I hope nobody you know you You could have
said RuPaul at one time, you could have said it
was like a cultural flash. Really it's like a one
hit wonder. But same with Michelle. Like Michelle was in Seduction,
which I read her book before I did quit the universe.
I read her book because I don't know Michelle that well,
and I said, I gotta go home with something. She's
best friends with all these drag queens and I don't
even know, we don't have that kind of friendship, and
I gotta have something to talk to her about. So

(51:22):
I'm gonna read her book. Um. And like she's in Seduction,
which toured for like two years, major hits, giant festivals,
and she's in such a bad contract with this girl
group that she she literally tours for two years and
leaves with nothing, no money, nothing, she's owner Masters, and
then she has like a slow build through radio and
now she's a huge, massive star again. And I always

(51:43):
think of them as like, um, when I used to
listen to the What's the t the RuPaul podcast, they
would talk about how an entertainment you have to mentally
be ready for ebbs and flows because it's the only
way to be resilient. I mean, but you also can't
sit there and wonder, am I in the apex of
my career? Am I in the beginning? Am I currently
in the end of it? Because that's not helpful. And

(52:04):
I think somebody like Mellie Lynskey, they probably just at
the time we're like, well, I'm gonna do my best
work and just try to do my best pok and
who knows, you know, she had been Yellow Jackets, we
would have been like, why hasn't she act anymore? Even
if she was currently acting, you know, totally totally um
speaking of her, Paul, have you publicly made any statements
about UM this season or the winner? At least I

(52:27):
just found out yesterday, you know. I mean, everybody knows this.
If I'm not doing pit Stop, I don't watch drivers.
Everybody knows this, so I don't feel bad saying it.
And I couldn't do pit Stop because of Trixie motel
and scheduling. They're basically like you would have to watch
the whole season in like two days, and he's like,
there's no way you are thing. I pride myself on

(52:51):
elevating the pit Stop. I must watch post and I'm
just gonna say whatever. But I love them both though,
and um, I love doing the pit Stop. I'll say
this that everybody can drag me. I'm obsessed with all
those winners. They are all amazing. When it comes to Jinks,
we are comparing Superman too a room full of Batman's.

(53:13):
Everybody's amazing, but Jinks is unbelievable and as far as
talent potent talent, she's as funny as anyone, as anyone.
She can sing her face off, like you can lose
to Jinks lose and be like I gave age, but
I gave you know. Yeah. But even though okay, and

(53:34):
even if you didn't watch the season, like Trickie, she
was like clearly the front runner the whole time, and
yet she was still this compelling reality TV character that
you would watch and she would be like very endearing
in the workroom, be like I don't know what I'm doing,
Like she was very relatable even in her stature, Like
it was so interesting and I loved it the whole time. Anyway,

(53:55):
we're very happy that she won. No, I gotta watch it.
I gotta watch it because it's really good. It's really good.
She really does a great job. And the thing too,
like there's of course going to be controversy whenever it's
like the winner gets named, especially when everyone's this good
and like it's a lip sync that determines the result.
But like a lot of people have been on like
like like sort of upset about the fact that we

(54:17):
are deciding the winner with these lip syncs if they're
not going to quote unquote matter. And I'm like at
that point, I'm like, Wow, this fan base really goes
in on the rules for All Stars. I'm like, yeah,
this is a drag show and it's all stars RuPaul Dragons,
where all you're gonna have fun. Like the people online
like dictating it, like it's like like calling flag on

(54:37):
the play. It is so funny to me because it's drag.
It's like everyone gets a chance to shine, someone get money,
They all get paid to be on the show. I mean,
I don't have to tell you guys that I understand
what it's like for the audience to get mad when
you win based on the rules. Like So it's also
funny because it's it's a room full of people who
have won. These people don't even care if they in

(55:00):
that much. I mean, let's be hones. These people have
all one. These people have all proved that and this
is also maybe shady. These people have all proved that
have winning also doesn't guarantee you a massive career. So
some of them have proved that winning is sort of
it just happened, and that's it. It's all of them individually.
I've talked to all of them individually, and all of
them said I had the best time and probably they

(55:22):
should all be. And everybody's saying this is the best season.
It's like the ultimate season. I just would you do
all winners if they did it again? If they ask
no ever, not a gun to my head, just because
you really don't want to compete period at all. And
I'm also like not good at I mean, part of
being a star is knowing if you can't do fancakes,
don't raise your hand and say, let me do my fancake,

(55:44):
you know what I mean, Like I would not do well.
And some of those people are just flat out like
better drag queens than most people. I'm gonna doing tricksie,
I'm not going to do in drag race, you know,
And I mean maybe it's cowardly, but I don't want
to do it because it's the school and I wouldn't do. Well, no,
you don't need it. I mean like it has not

(56:04):
limited you. It has not limited you know, and like
needing it. Honestly, watching the girls say they had so
much fun, that makes me want to do it because
it's almost like, well, I want to go to summer camp,
like yeah, and I want to go of course, like
it's a fun opportunity and you do get to look
incredible and show yourself doing talent when it's an area
that you really want to flex in. But ultimately it's
like even, well, I guess the thing is like they

(56:25):
must have said something to them because you have to
imagine that other queens do feel similarly to you, which
is like, well if I come back, like, are you
gonna make me looking stupid? Because that's what a reality
show is, and like you do it to the all
Stars all the time, like am I gonna come and
show one look? So they had to come and say
like you will be in every episode we will I
imagine they did approach you. They did well. They said, hey, uh,

(56:49):
and then you tell me not to tell me once.
I'm just gonna say it. They said, hey, we're doing
we are doing it all winners, and we know you
don't really want to do it, but you're in the
family and we don't want you to feel excluded. Like
if you want to do it, We're just want to
extend the invitation. You know you're gonna say no. And
I said, yeah, I'm gonna say no. But I said,
thank you so much for inviting me. You know, because
when I want to do something, I always do a
celebrity drag race the holidays. Like when I want to

(57:10):
do it, I always do it. But I just didn't
want to do it. I said, I appreciate you guys
asking because you know I love doing and like I
consider myself a WOW employee full time. Anyway, girl, I mean,
I love dragons and I turned up the world of Wonder.
I think they've just I mean they don't they don't
give themselves flowers, but they really changed the world. I

(57:31):
mean they changed the world. I wouldn't have anything if
they wouldn't have basically created an industry for me to
participate in. You know. The other thing is, uh, in
reality television, you can't tell people. There's no standard claus right,
So even if even if they didn't tell anyone, we're
gonna make everyone look talented. Yeah, drag race. If this,
if this, if the American Idol said these winners are

(57:53):
the best singers in the world, there's no way you
would come back and you would ever make any of
you look incompetent because then you're only more of the show.
So even if you flop, you're gonna flop relatively, but
you're not gonna flop like, Wow, you should have never won,
you know what I mean? That's that's not what you
should have never won. That should have said that's everyone

(58:13):
if you didn't win, I guess what we have said
you was Wow. We're really rethinking a lot, and it's
it's also sort of a study. What I like about
it isn't again I haven't watched it. What I like
about it is it's a little bit Hunger Games quarter Quell.
It's a little bit um Yeah it is. Yeah, where
it's people who are the best at their own thing
and we're throwing them into hypotheticals and just for fun,

(58:34):
we're going to compare and contrast. But nobody's better or
worse than anyone. So does that not convince you to
go back? Then? No? I mean it's you, guys. Drag
race is really hard. Nobody talks about it. Of course,
it's really physically mentally hard. And I operate best in
an environment where I do whatever I want and nobody
evaluates me. And drag race is doing what you're told

(58:54):
and having it evaluated. It's also like literally giving up
your phone for a long time like that. Well, but beriod,
the way you connect and communicate with other people, like
and the way that the fact that that's like such
a part of it, they take it from you. The
fact that you can't know what the news is. You

(59:15):
can't know top news, you can't know that President Biden
has contracted COVID. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's
you don't get to read the trades. You get to
read the trades, you don't know You're not gonna know
what happens with Emma Watson next. Yeah, and not to
be ghost too, but it's also um money. I mean,
like even All Stars three, when I wont even winning.

(59:37):
I think I lost money doing it because of the
cancel and a two million dollar investment in the show.
I was like, well, this makes that one hundred thousand
dollars seem like chumper change. Yeah, it's hard, and you know,
part of what makes Drag Race good is that the
contestants are expected to basically imagine if you were cast
in the Superhero movie and it was your job to

(59:57):
bring the costume and especially with them, right, So it's
actually it's actually any of those queens really, I mean,
those any of those drag queens could wipe the floor
with me. That I'm fine with. I'm fine with not
doing as well as other people. But the work, you guys,
I have nightmares the preparation process of getting me Cortina.

(01:00:18):
I don't even aspire to doing that good of dry
the runways this season. I would always watch the runways
and I'd be like, yeah, I wouldn't even know who
to call for me, right right, It's truly wild. Preparation
is like the most stressful part is the most stressful
part period preparation for for anything, absolutely, like the anticipation
and oh god, I hate rehearsing, Like are you guys

(01:00:41):
rehearsals queens, absolutely not yes, And now I literally have
to go to a rehearsal after this, and I'm really
so scared. I hate rehearsal. Scared, honestly, Like I always like,
I'm rehearsing on Tuesday for something and it takes up
of my brain right now for scaring to even rehearse um.

(01:01:02):
But once you do it, I'm always grateful and I
do sometimes enjoy the process, but it's getting there, and like, yeah,
the mental like gymnastics, I believe in like going on,
going in off book and all that. I believe in
knowing your ship, but I don't believe in pounding it
until you hate it and then because you guys just
stand up right, Yeah, not really, but yeah kind of.

(01:01:22):
Sometimes you go in two under rehearsed, but because you're
on that, like Razor Tanya Harding Blade, you actually perform
better because you're like a little bit hysterics that you're
not prepared. Right. So, I don't know. I don't think
it's bogus when people say I do my best work
last minute, I'm like, no, that's not true, mother, But
you know, I don't know. I don't know You've just procrastinated,

(01:01:45):
that's all like that, like that that's what that means.
And someone says that you do their best for a
class minute. Yeah, and it's also it's like a humble brag.
It's like, yeah, I don't need to put in the time,
okay girl. Yeah, especially with stand up, it's like there's
something in the address to Lena having a trust ball
that does make you perform a little better. M And
there's something and knowing your ship that makes you perform better.

(01:02:06):
It's the balance, right. I always feel like it's just
great to know how like when I've been out there,
I've been trying to get out there again and it's
just like you really have to keep up your skills,
like learning how to communicate with an audience. And that's
the only thing that's like, you know, the pandemic like
sort of like that is something that you miss, like
just that thing as a performer of just knowing like

(01:02:29):
I I have this down enough and like I'm still
speaking the same language as the audience, but I'm feeling
like it's still spontaneous and natural. Yes, but it is.
You do need the reps for that, but that's not rehearsal, honey,
And honestly, if like that, that's you get something out
of that. Were preparing to rehearses, just preparing to like
stand in front of one other musician and be like, Okay, hello,

(01:02:52):
there's that thing too have like needing the musical director
or whoever it is, like the director of whoever it is,
like your people you're going to be working with, Like
what are they going to bring? Yeah, I'm sure you
guys feel this any anything live and especially us you know,
I can't imagine, but like, you trust yourself to go
out there. You know the material, and you trust yourself
to go out there blind. So whatever happens in the middle,
you're like, why do I scare myself so much? I

(01:03:14):
trust myself to go out there and deal with it. So, yeah,
doesn't know, it's it's it's that ideally, by the time
it's Saturday, you are on that razor's edge and you've
prepared just enough for it to feel somewhat spontaneous and new,
and it's not. It's it's still the novelty is still there.
But I will say I just I got I got
chills just thinking about it now. The moment that you

(01:03:34):
were in the chair on Weekend Update before you get
pushed out the scariest feeling I've ever felt in my life.
And it's it never gets easier, it's only it's only
the most terrifying sensation. Oh, I hate it so much,
and yet it's like part of the joy of it. Yeah,
it also has to be the fact that you're literally
getting pushed. Is that a little bit of it, Like

(01:03:55):
that they're gonna thrust you out there, and like and
you have and you have, you have a marked to hit.
You have a marked hit on the desk. There's tape
like you have a marked to hit at the desk
and you have to catch yourself. I do love the
make end Update slide. I love that little thing when
someone comes out and might have to find themselves like
and also I love when a performer can incorporate it,
like when when Cecily as the late the Late Ivana

(01:04:18):
Trump comes out and she's like, ah and she's like
a little drunk, like she incorporates the weekend Update slide
and Dirk character. And I know you guys probably trying
to make it seem like it's not much travel. To me,
it looks like that chair sliding ten feet. It's like
next and you see this person who travel you know,

(01:04:40):
also she's talking to my friend about this. We're talking
about um like DJA or whatever. I feel like I
used to think I can't wait to do the show
and then find out if it's a good show afterward,
Like decide afterward if I didn't where it's like insane,
you decide what kind of show it is before it
even starts. Yeah, like really yeah, I can't say it's

(01:05:02):
gonna be great and then it is great. You don't
find out. I'm I'm writing this down. I mean it is.
I mean that that that what I try to remind
myself of is like when you do gole up there,
it's going to be a moment in time and it's
gonna go how it's gonna go, and then you're gonna
keep living your life and literally no one's going to
think about it except for you, if you even let yourself.

(01:05:25):
So just go out there and enjoy the moment, let
it be, and then like understand that you know, it's
not that big of a deal, like it's not that deep.
But that also varies. And I think it means to
pray for like a good performance or a good show,
sort of like you hope the weather is good, like
I hope tonight's good. How are they out there? Are
they feeling it? And then I would ask the performance

(01:05:45):
in front of me how they are honestly, not to
be psychotic. I just think recently, I'm like how they
are before I got up There has nothing to do
with you, Like I decide what kind of show they
are about to have, which is why late at night
when you blame the audience and late at night when
you're in bed you're like it was me. I especially

(01:06:07):
in comedy, because you have to come out there shooting
lasers and tell them exactly what's happening, you know, And
it's almost like freeing to be like, wow, I can
decide that I'm gonna have a good show. I don't
have to hope it's good. And also a way that
you can like feel the way that you can agree
to make that decision and not have it be about
like you, which is that like, if you are having fun,

(01:06:30):
they're going to have fun, so you may as well,
because that's literally the hack. You could go out there
and be not great, but if you were having fun
doing it and enjoying doing it. People are at least
going to be like, well, we were glad to see them,
you know what I mean, Like like afterwards, they're not
going to be like, what a waste of our time
because you came out here, didn't know your stuff and
we're bad energy. Like at least bring the good energy.

(01:06:52):
And then most of the time you can fool them
if your ship was you know, a B plus that time. Yeah,
and on top of that, if you do everything you
meant to do out there but you don't have fun,
there's a glass ceiling of how good it can really be. Yeah,
And I guess I mean I don't have to tell
you guys this, but I guess it's like for me,
it's how many years I've been performing and I feel

(01:07:13):
like I'm just now realizing, like good shows don't happen
to us, Like look we we we make the show
good before we decide that before we go out there.
And that's the key. You know what, When I quit
drag and motels, the way, I'm going to be the
Tony Robbins like tricksy and like, yes, if I get

(01:07:36):
to again, which I would love to do another full summer,
I would love to do a headset wind pants, like
Tony Robbins, like the Secret of You, like the Secret
of Success. That should be your next special. Honestly, you
doing a Tony Robbins thing. Should that would be so
funny like power points and almost like but I'm weirdly

(01:07:56):
selling time shares at the same time. I love it,
you know it should Like the best part is it's
all in you. You don't need anything. But then as
it goes, I'm like introducing items you do need. Of course,
you know there's something to do the Tony Robins thing,
but also like there should be like a comedy version
of like a Bernie Brown talk, a Bernie Brown muture

(01:08:18):
that like vulnerability or something. But it's it's purely comedic
and like fucked up and stupid. Like someone is standing
there and they've been through it, you know what I mean,
Like they're looking at you and this is what I
want to share with you. And then it's like that's
slow paced. That is so funny. I love that it's slow.
I've always wanted to do it, and I've always been
waiting for the right time. But I think also like

(01:08:41):
sort of like it's like wind pants and like a
scrunch sort of like sort of like the cut co knives,
like why are you afraid of your own success? Energy?
You know, and it's sort of like roasting to like
look at this woman in the front row. She might
not be pretty, you know, she might not be bright.
You know. It's it's a formal thing. You cut the

(01:09:02):
audience down. I guess I'm saying I want to be
a scientist. Yeah, thank you for admitting that. Here. We're
a huge side taipe podcast. Last Culture is a side
tipe pod. I think it's time. I think it's time

(01:09:23):
to move on to I don't think so honey. This
is our one minute segment where we take sometimes a
lot of time to rail against something in culture. Matthew
has something I do, I do, I do, I do,
I don't. And the thing is this is this is
gonna be a little off the cuff, but I feel
like I need to say it. Okay, Oh I love that.
That's that's sometimes that's the best Matt Rodgers. I don't
think so many time starts now, Okay, I don't think

(01:09:45):
so honey, that I have an itch. I think it's
monkey POGs. Now. This occupies so much space in my
brain of if literally right at just now on my neck,
I have a little bit of an itch that means
for the next at least two hours, I will fix
it on having monkey pocks, isn't it. It's really it's
now become a thing where it's attacking our skin and
that doesn't sit right with me. I mean, this is

(01:10:06):
something I'm getting, um the vas for I hope the
second shot this week. Um, I somehow looked into the
first shot early and I feel crazy about it. Like
but literally, I was out with other gay men sharing
gay breath. I know, I said I was gonna swear
off gay men for us to the summer, but I
was around others last night and there was that little

(01:10:26):
of that little tiny itch in your head. You're thinking
it's monkey poks And aren't we all afflicted right now
with this sort of now it's come into our mental
space like The Alien and Nope, a movie I didn't
get to see this week, but read up on in
case you wanted to talk about it. But I don't
think so, honey, the skin thing and that's one minute
comparing monkey pops to the Alien, and no spoiler alert,

(01:10:49):
it's out there trying to get us. Now, that's what
I call monkey poks, Like that should be a CD.
Although all the songs that were popular at this time.
It's the renaissance album and not to be damaged, but
the people I keep seeing having it are really really hot,
and so part of me is like until it comes
to the fours and the fives, like I'm cool. I
mean until these people, as hot as they are, even

(01:11:10):
people with open lesions on their face are not sucking me.
So like I think I'm cool for a while. It's
so funny to see like a hottie with a little
monkey POGs, like Hi, I'm the face of this disease,
and it's like one little like a Ricke Glysia small.
They're sounding the alarm the loudest because the scarring is
going to affect the rest of their lives exactly, And
I get I get a scar and I'll look the same. Yeah,

(01:11:32):
for some of us, it could be punching up, you
know what I mean, Like, yes, finally there'll be some
metro phone. You have to protect your face because that
retinal is popping. I was on the Live with with
Bone on the other day, and your skin has never
looked better. Diva, Thanks Diva. Oh but you if you
got your first shot. I mean the second shot is
just to like prolonged the immunity, but it's just as effect.

(01:11:53):
It's not changing the efficacy necessarily. I'm feeling okay, I
got railed last night, so you know what I mean,
Like I'm not thinking about it, like too deep. But
but but I'm concerned. And every time I do have
a little it, I'm like, oh, well I shouldn't have
I'm talked to that person or left the home he
did he fuck? You're scratching your neck? Did he fuck
your neck area? Like that man fucked my neck bowing

(01:12:16):
He came over here and fucked my neck. People need
to start talking about it. You put a cock right
here at the back of your neck. Wood on and
and worth it deeva and nomberone. Sucking people's like skin
folds was considered safer sex anymore. The frauding of it all,
it's like not even you're not even you can't even.

(01:12:37):
Frauding is the highest risk practice. Damn. There you go.
I think I think you're okay, I'm okay, it's time
for the Diva dolls. I don't think so Honey Boone
Yang one of America's forefront young female stars. She is
an Emmy nominee. She is shining right Rattinala is doing her.

(01:13:00):
Oh well, she's actually on a film set right now.
She is live from from a film set, and it's
time for her. I don't think so, Honey, and your
time starts now. I don't think some Honey advertising things
as flushable wipes. I just found out about fat burgs.
Do you do y'all know about fat bergs. It is

(01:13:21):
these clumps of fat that are in the sewers that
are basically like clumps of paper and like flushable wipes.
It's almost all flushable wipes that are blocking the sewers.
They are literally google it and I'm so sorry, but
you have to google this so that you never once
and again flush anything down the toilet that's not toilet paper.

(01:13:42):
Fat bergs are all flushable wipes, and they are destroyed that.
I don't have anything besides that, besides this warning to
tell everybody you cannot flush these things down the toilet.
It's like saying if um. It's like saying, you know,
monkey dick, if if of monkeypos it's it's it's it's
you cannot do it. It is actually destroying the infrastructure

(01:14:05):
that makes society function. If the sewers go, then everything goes.
That's key. That's the truth. And that's one minute. The
fact that conversation just said, if the sewers go, everything goes.
The fact that's where we're at as the country. I
have to say, you have shook me to my core

(01:14:26):
and I don't know if I'm willing to give up
the fleshable wives. And I think this is my Taylor
Swift Cors moment. Wait do you have it? Wait? Do
you have a tushy? Um? No, Mama, I don't. Okay,
get a sponsorhip for this podcast. Get a tushy. You
will never have to buy toilet paper again. You don't
even have to touch your own asshole. I love it.
I want to though. That's when I feel the most

(01:14:47):
like I want to finger myself to like right after
I should because you're like, oh, like vacancy. You know,
I know I'm safe here, vacancy. All right, Well, this
this is tricks, Mattels. I don't think so, honey, tricks.
Are you ready? Yeah? Your time starts now. I don't

(01:15:08):
think so, honey. Signatures. Why are we pretending like my
signature is some seal that no one could duplicate. Oh, well,
he signed it, so it's authenticated. We all know the alphabet.
We all have the same four names, unless you're even
even if I don't I know how to spell bowen.

(01:15:29):
Why are we pretending? This isn't Laura Ingles Wilder, This
isn't Benjamin Franklin. This isn't the deflation the fact that
we think a signature writing your name is something you
learned in kindergarten, is a binding legal gesture. What are
we talking about? Like? How is that? Well I signed it,
so I really meant it. What if someone else signed it?

(01:15:50):
We all can write each other's names. We all can
write anyone's It would be like if we all had
the same fucking bank account number. Like what are we
talking about? Give me like a prick, Give me a
little micro chip in the hand, like if your dog
gets lost as a chip, give me a chip. Give
me chips And that's one minute. You know, thank you? Sometimes,
don't you think go to a restaurant and the way

(01:16:11):
that I'll sign my name, anyone could have done it
the way that I signed my name on those checks.
Sometimes I just simply to this, you're gonna just you're
gonna be really freaked out. I'll just take the pen
and sort of do that. I mean, I'll just I'll
draw a line and they'll accept it. She's right, America
has a problems. America has a problem. America has a problem.

(01:16:33):
But Tricksy, it seems like maybe you're speaking from a
place of shame about your own signature, Like maybe you
don't like the way it looks you have a flop signature. No, well,
the kicker is I always want to be famous. I
used to spend my youth especial I'd write my name
a hundred times a day, and then ultimately I got
famous for different names. So that I want you to sign,
you should start signing Steph Brian Fircus. Once in a while,

(01:16:55):
I'll have a brain catty and and she'll go, I
just signed the name Brian. I go, I guess, run
with it. Like name checks and stuff, you must write
your real name. I mean, Brian Fergus is probably a
name that gets used all the time and we just
don't know. It's a great name. Nobody has my name
and it is nice for that reason like, my partner's
name is David Silver, which I there's probably a billion

(01:17:17):
Matt Rogers here. Yeah, yeah, So I just think they
are bogus. I'm always like, why is this proving it's me?
What is that? What is that? I don't know, I
don't know, but um, you know, it's the only way
we could have verified identities back in the day, like
as of twenty years ago, and now that we're in
this brave new world, it feels like it's irrelevant. Oh

(01:17:38):
but by the way you're saying gesture made me think
of that florist guy who was on Trixi Motel and
the hottest guy Cobra Lily, the hottest guy I've ever
seen in my life. Crazy. So his name is Jake.
Follow him on the internet at Cobra Lily. His flowers
are beautiful and he is fucking gorgeous. It's always the
florists and the jewelers that are the hottest gay men

(01:18:00):
in the world, in any country. And you go, what
is up with this jewelry and flowers. It's like the
dainty pretty things that attract like the hottest people. It's crazy,
crazy and so and sober people and sober people, and
they're different about him. He's like, oh he's sober. I'm like, oh,
that's why he's like hot and nice. Okay, Like it

(01:18:21):
seems calm, hot, nice, functional, sober. Interesting sober people are
definitely insane and I think they'll admit it. They'll admit it, right,
you heard it here first. Well, um, this was yet
again another fucking blockbuster the series Trixie Motel. All the
episodes are streamable now and you can stay at the

(01:18:44):
goddamn hotel. And when I tell you, I mean it's
I'm look, I'm looking at novembercause if you guys actually
want to come, can you tell us when? And we
could probably work out some kind of like block off
the days for you so you can get the space
for yourself and your friends. You. Well, we'll be in touch, okay,

(01:19:05):
from right from Raios to here to all over the world.
Than congratulations on your continued success. People love your pod
and you just keep it so fun. Icon. Well, thanks
for coming back. It is it is. We end every
single episode Yang with the song I was waiting to

(01:19:30):
see if you're you're the yes, I'm sure no us,
don't even try to again. Why was that in your

(01:19:54):
head because true. Because there are a couple of songs
on the album on the that are giving Freaky Friday,
and that's sounds amazing. It's an amazing soundtrack, no fucking
skips on that one. And streaming the Blond albums and
stream the Bond and Pink albums. Swear to God, Swear

(01:20:16):
to God, Oh my God, bye. Uh we love you.

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