"Birds of a Weather" (w/ Louis Virtel)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look mad oh, I see you. Why look over there?
How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, the noms are in,
the norms are in, and I mean we are really
would you say, I feel like we're prioritizing this episode. Listen,
let's just say something. Peek behind the curtain, dot org,

(00:23):
dot biz. We actually are backlogging right now. Okay, but
this episode put to the top of the heat because
we have to discuss the numbs and we I mean, okay,
I want to answer a little bit more. But we
couldn't have had a better guest for this, the most
highly anticipated guest and Lost Cultures I've when I look
through the mentions and confession time, sometimes I just looked

(00:45):
at them. I see what the girls are saying. Sometimes
I even dangn to type into the search bar and
Twitter the words lost culture just to see what they're
sort of saying quotation marks, just to make sure that
they were paired together and so what they're saying as
they want our guests on the show, and I agree,
But we're waiting for this ripe moment of in person

(01:06):
and just in the throes of the nams which are out,
and so this is the moment where we really get
into it. But I want to say something, and I
want to pose this question to you. Did we jinx
it for Ruth and for Gaga? We may have no,
but Gaga was that was the curse of Patricia. It

(01:26):
was sort of akin to when the flies were sent
to Gaga by Patricia. You know about this, of course,
So Patrizia sent a cloud of flies to Gaga. Sort
of a bad omen. I think that just really she
flew too close to the sun on this one. Didn't
get the numb. But I think that we sort of
went so hard in on the last episode, being like,
it's we gotta see her get the nam We want

(01:48):
this media narrative because I personally we wanted more of her,
not not I heard I got it. I don't. I
did not check Twitter on the day, But it's seems
like there was a lot of celebration around her getting snubbed.
There was, and there was equal equal parts fury. Oh
the fury was so funny, like people really being hyperbolic

(02:10):
about a little monsters, mostly being like, this is the
worst thing that's ever ever happened ever. And I'm actually
on record as saying there's that. I think she's better
in Gucci than she is in Stars Born, because I
want to see her be insane. Yeah, but my but
I also understand, sure best actress is crowded and she
just got the bump. It's it's fine, it's fine. And um,

(02:32):
have you heard this rumor that she's doing that. She's
rumored to be doing the new Top Gun Maverick song
like to take My Breath Away successor, And I feel like,
take My breath By kind of like you wouldn't think
it's like a matches with that movie, but I feel
like she would write something so powerful. To take My
Breath Away from Top Gun is one of the best

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movie songs I think, and I don't think. I don't
think people would disagree because you know you think Top Gun,
you don't think that. But the love scene, iconic love scene,
the iconic love scene. God, do you think God has
another shallow in her like such like a huge I
never bet against her in terms of how much space
she can take up and what she can do. I
actually look, it's unpopular opinion, but if she had gotten nominated,

(03:16):
I'd have been like, cool, I get it. Good for her, Yeah,
I just said good for her. But there's there's that
it didn't happen. Didn't happen, and so we're gonna move on.
But first we're going to discuss really the first coffee
and it's actually Ruler Culture number thirty three, but first coffee. UM,

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I really couldn't have a better guest to sort of
go through the topical nature of the Oscar nominations and
so much more. Um. This is truly, I mean, it's
so funny that we have a pop culture podcast and
I really have no business. We have no business really
doing it. This is someone who has all the business
in the world doing it. In fact, they actually got
to win the award UM from I Heart Radio are

(03:58):
very own, UM are very network for best pop Culture
Podcast and Lost Coach Rees has actually went home on unrewarded,
undecorated for Best Comedy. It's fine, they deserve to win.
I think there were we were probably miscategorized in the
first place. We're up, we're comedy podcasts. We're up against

(04:18):
smartness and who else I would call us a comedy
podcast before I call us a pop culture podcast. Here
we are saying, like, you know, Lady Gaga deserves you
know what I mean, The funniest fast than the layout. Well, so,
he's a writer on Jimmy Kimmelive. You often see him
on camera. He was text up this very recently and

(04:38):
looking good, looking good. No one can say now we
can say no and the co host of the Keep
It Podcast award winning keep It Podcast winner of Best
Pop Culture Podcasts from the I Heart Radio Podcast Rewards.
Maybe one day, you know, one day will taste, will
taste the flavor taste victory. I feel, Susan Lucci vibes

(05:00):
my own and my own sort of wreck track record.
Do you love that for us? No, give us award.
I've been saying it, like give or us individually, give
you you. You You will probably get anob soon. I feel like, okay,
we'll cut that out. We'll get that. Don't truly like
this is a moment in time. It's a moment for

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our readers. It's a moment for us to welcome the
one and only. Let's welcome to your ears, Louis virtul
Oh my god. The whole thing about awards snubbies YouTube
fell in death death ears because I am an award winner.
So't you can't relate and you do just it's a
different frequency of speech. Like, did you literally did not
hear it? Right? No, I was like looking out the window.

(05:42):
It was really peaceful. I feel as though, well, really,
I've already been snubbed for best Reality Competition host for
the show everyone watched Hot Hot Dog. Um, so that
is in your future. So it's like, let's keep track
of that. And by the way, there are very few
queer on a reason that category. I want to say, really,
Eichner was the first. Maybe he was in game show

(06:03):
host for the Street. Originally it changed categories a couple
of times, but I remember realizing he was the first
gay person to be and it's such a gay genre,
and now RuPaul has kind of eaten them all up.
At the time they're done with him, they'll never give
it to another queer again, right, Yeah, so that'll be
it for that No, because he's like the John larra

(06:23):
Cette of that category. I just like, when my references
are going to continue to be studying up to date.
Someone said someone someone said when they found out Louis
was coming on the podcast, they go, it's gonna be like,
I don't think so, honey. Three Original Screenplay nominees come
on the right stuff. I wonder if you would have one.

(06:43):
I mean, this is I truly feel like I'm about
to be schooled. I always feel like I learned something whenever,
whenever I just I'm sponge around Lewis. Oh, that's incredibly bad.
They are definitely smarter than I. Absolutely that I know him.
It's okay, great, I think I really this is, this is,

(07:04):
This is a wonderful moment for for for the reader,
for us. Um, okay, well, what are your should just
get in Twitter? Lewis, what is your sort of feedback?
Your your SoundBite for for for the numbs? Well, okay,
the Gaga snub to me feels like when Jennifer Aniston
didn't get it for Ka, which is to say, there
are so many people in the Academy. I'm sorry, Like
I don't mean to be a shill for the Academy,

(07:24):
but they're going to vote for the better performances. It
kind of seemed like everyone thought that was one of them. Though, Yeah,
because of all the precursors at that said, um, when
you said she was better in that movie than she
wasn't a Star is Born, I didn't hate that observation
because in A Stars Born, the whole I think we
gave it to her because she seemed so relaxed most
of doing a Gaga stick and we were surprised by that.

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But that's not the same thing as being a brilliant
actor really, and as I saw somebody on Twitter say,
it sort of felt like they had trouble scraping together
great takes of her, you know, because yeah, you know,
for the just think you know, where Bradley Cooper is
doing some hard acting and she's doing some reacting to him. Yes,
which I mean I do think in like a in
like a romantic drama duet as it were, like, is

(08:11):
a lot. But I think I think, honestly you might
be onto something with with a star is born. I
think we were all surprised she could drop in at all,
you know what I mean, because she's so exists in
this mcgreet surreal. What are we to initially describe as
magreed surreal? I think it was the plot of and

(08:32):
and just like that you said it was surreal, I said,
it's it's mcgreed. Yeah, And so we were were describing
all these things as agreed surreal. But like, because she's
so on another planet screaming during like you know, her
Vegas residency is whatever, and then you see her. Actually,
I think she's one of those celebrities who I didn't
know what she actually looked like for the first like

(08:52):
seven years of her career, do you know what I mean?
And so then to see her give like a dropped
in relaxed performance and all access a part of her
that we know. I think A Star is Born was
the vehicle for her star. It was the perfect alignment
of we had no idea she could. That's what it was,
and then she was Yeah. And also you know, it

(09:13):
also is tailored specifically to her gifts. I mean, you
know what I mean, She's going to perform shallow. And
one thing I always say, like a rubric that I
often say, which I think I've said to you both,
is when it comes to the Oscars, what I am
interested in is could anyone else have done it right
like this? And I genuinely feel like with A Star
is Born, maybe no one else could have done it

(09:35):
like that. And for House of Gucci, think someone could
have my yeah, I absolutely think yes. And something that's
that's sort of dawning. Let me now, and I'm sure
everyone's already thought of this, but it's like that movie
is and the press tour that was super Smash Brothers.
It was I mean, I mean it was all these
people fighting for a different tone. But for her, I
feel like that did not service her. UM bid for

(09:57):
for for Award season because it was just such a
chaotic movie and that you're she doesn't really hold the
center because she's like not, she's missing from like the
last third of it. You know. Yeah, it's weird to
nominate her for lead for that reason. I will say
I do think she's the best thing in the movie,
which is crazy to say. I think I was talking
about this on Keep It This Week again. I mean,
like Jeremy Irons is maybe in my top three favorite actors,

(10:20):
and ever sucks compared my my the part that And
I really was laughing during House of Gucci because I
don't think it's good, Like I think it's like a
first draft, and the note of don't make it about
the Gucci Empire, make it about her was just missed. Um.
But when he and the accents of it all is
a whole conversation dinner theater murder miss when they're sitting

(10:42):
at lunch and he's talking in his like like Italian
accent but really British. He goes, how do you say?
And I'm like, okay, so what's the reality of it?
Because if we're it' if we're Italian. Yeah, if we're
Italian but we're speaking in an Italian accent for the
for of for the audience, then you would not say

(11:03):
how do you say? You were not searched for a word.
It reminds me have you ever seen the movie Children
of a Lesser God that Marley Matlin wants? Okay in
the movie she it's actually there are really good parts.
Obviously William Hurts a really good actor too, but whenever
she does sign language, he says it for the camera
and You're like, this completely takes it out, Like this
is not reality at all. Oh, I understand what you're saying,

(11:26):
and so does everyone watching. Yeah, like it's a rebus.
He's solving for us. Do you say? And I was like, see,
this is Jeremy Irons just trying to give it something.
But ultimately, I guess there's a part of me that
like just wants it all to be fun, and I
think it is more fun with her, and then the
part of me that's like, okay, let's actually nominate the

(11:46):
best performances, Like it is thrilled to see Penelope CRUs there, yea,
even Jessica Chastain, who I think we've a little been
a little bit down on over the years. When you
take movies called The Zookeeper's Wife, you don't want friends,
you know. And so when she does a great job
in this movie where she's you know, under like yards
of makeup and she's still great, I really am like,

(12:08):
all right, Jessica, Yeah, did you see didn't say? Guys,
I just gotta be upfront this. I'm very illiterate this year.
But and so this is also why I am like
maybe a surrogate for the audience, for the reader at
home who maybe has also has not seen many of
the movies this season. You know, what's the thing is,
It's like so many of the movies now are immediately
available on Netflix and on Apple TVA plus with coda,

(12:30):
so that it's like it's they're they're right there available
and yet and it's it's that thing where it's like
the buffet of options. It's like you you don't like, yeah,
it's like I enjoyed the thrill of seeing that that
option is there and exactly, I did see the Eyes
of Tammy Faye and I loved it. I loved it actually,

(12:52):
and I it's a Wikipedia movie, but she nails that.
She's she's just went, went, and you said this, it
was like she really is. Actually, I think a lot
more effective when she's able to like, when she's there's
jokes for her to play and there's big choices for
her to make. I liked her in Zero Dark thirty,
but I never thought she would win that year against
a bigger, you know, more lovable performance, I guess, but

(13:14):
in this and I'm looking at the five nominees like
and I don't, and she hasn't won much, and I
think people were sort of surprised by the nomination despite
the support that she's had all season long. I think
if she were to walk away with the Oscar, I
wouldn't be mad at that. I don't think anybody would
know because also it's like a very traditional Best Actress
when you know, not only is it a public figure,

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it's an iconic public like a hard look to pull off,
a specific voice, a specific caricature esque person with the soul,
you know, so it's not completely wacky there's something dropped
in an emotional you know, so typical Baits stuff, which is, wow,
this was a transformation, which I think is so overrated
a lot of the time, especially you know what I mean,

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Like we we fall for that so much, like when
it's like with the Jared Letto of at All. My
favorite quote unquote snub is him like I would have
not been able to stomach that, which moments me. The
one nomination that movie did get was Best Makeup, which
I like because it made it harder to see the actics. Well,
did you see the whole story? Um, apparently I think

(14:17):
it's makeup and hair right, hair got nominated for hows
a Gucci and the hair the hair that the head
hair or whatever. Gaga's person and at Leascott apparently did
not let him do anything and he had to fight
to the nail for every single big swing in that movie.

(14:39):
And like it's very sort of vindicating that he's one
of the only people who got nominated for the film
for someone who's like fully like obstructed like at every turn,
but who is the favorite to win Best Actress this year.
Then it is weird. Olivia is People also hate that
movie on Twitter and everybody being like, you know, when
I was four, Lucy is the one who put me

(14:59):
to bed every night, scary big eyebrows or something. You know,
people are fucking babies. I would I would say, having
seen both Nicole and Olivia and Jessica, actually have I
seen everything? Yeah, yes, And so I mean personally for me,
I think it could go anyway. I think we might

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see Olivia win again. I will also it's I think
people who love that movie value that it's not just
a difficult role. It says something about motherhood that movies
usually don't say. The only problem with that movie is
it doesn't end on a note that's like satisfyingly crazy
for what the movie is doing. It feels a little soft,
so you can even forget some of the buld choices

(15:42):
the movie makes you because and in the book, she
it's more it's a little bit less ambiguous that she's died.
Maybe she's in the hospital at the end of the
boy right, it's more. I think it's more ambiguous in
the film that yes, yes, you're right, you're right, you're right.
And you know what's an interesting thing is it's like
always remember I always my poll from that movie, Like

(16:03):
what I walk away thinking about is not Dakota Dakoda,
Like that's the supporting before. And I remember I was
watching it and I texted our friends and I was like,
I don't get this Dakota performance. Like I was just
like it was like the first scene happening that you
meant the um No, I mean the Dakota. I mean
like that first scene where so in the movie, if

(16:24):
you haven't seen it, it's you know, Dakota's daughter. Dakota
is like this hot girl on the beach and like
Olivia sort of eyeing her like decos with her whole family.
Olivia's alone, so she's sort of like seeing her like
exist and she's this hot young mom on the beach
and she loses her daughter. Olivia finds the daughter brings
her back, and there's this scene where Dakota is thanking

(16:46):
Olivia for bringing her daughter back, and it's this bizarre
in the store by Olivia's chair, and Dakota comes over
and she's sort of like I just want to say thanks,
and I really like your beating suit and like and
it's like a little bit psycho sexual and I'm not
sure what it is. And then when the movie ended,
and you see like her mood swing in the final

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scene where she spoiler alert skip fifteen seconds, spoiler alert
skip fifteen seconds, spoiler alert skip fifteen seconds fucking stabs
her that she is truly like, that's part of it.
That's sort of like irrational, sort of I don't know,
like chemically imbalanced performance that she was giving is actually
quite specific and something I walk away thinking about, whereas

(17:32):
Jesse Buckley maybe this is a testament interacting because she
is so dropped in and makes it look so easy.
I just didn't walk away thinking of her and therefore
would never have voted for her, and yet don't like
that part of the movie. Really, I just don't think
the movie needs backstory to explain Olivia. That was the
That was the least like feminist choice of the storytelling

(17:53):
to me. It's just like I just want to experience
Olivia and her like weirdness and her approaching people and
being suddenly hyper sex shull and like getting an Ed
Harris's ear, which we've all done. They're related to that. Yes,
every scene should have been her watching this a movie
and young at teenagers so good, Oh my god, because

(18:13):
it's like and then maybe this has something about where
where we all are in life. It's like, now I
identify with fucking upset about people being loud and not
the young people having fun. I'm like, I'm with her.
I'm with her, especially because nobody else in the theater
is reacting, which is extra infurio. You have to react
on their behalf to like you're helping them, but they
don't want to be helped. Yes, yeah, then see you

(18:34):
know what the Maggie Jill Maggie Jiel Maggie Joel n
I might have to stand. Yeah. I've been enjoying her
uh like interviews with VF on YouTube about this. Yeah,
and also I've recently become obsessed with her architectural digest
tour with Peter Star's Guard where they have a crazy
gigantic brownstone in New York And I said this on Twitter.

(18:56):
There's like they enter a room and there's just three
colonial tables and they say, well, here's where the kids play.
It's like, what planet are we on? What did they do?
They're so funny that the just like negotiate their home
and like be like, well they want to see it, it
it must be amazing and like to talk about their
taste as if it's like, yeah, I had this my thing.

(19:16):
My favorite one that we talked about this is Vanessa Hudgins.
Something happens in that, Okay, Vanessa Hudgins. I'm sure she's
a lovely girl. She says, she's like, I have these
classic French love stories on the shelf. First of all
the classics stories, they are the newest possible editions like
that you would buy it like urban outfits. And it's

(19:37):
like it's like Madam Bovary. She just like she saw words,
she saw Madam and she said, that's that's it. That's friends.
That from my house. The only person I think who
has a relatively relatable a D video is maybe Kirston
because she's she's kind of standing there with her interior
designer and they're just being like yeah, you know, like

(19:58):
it's just it's just her like having a conversation and
she has a great taste, which, by the way, great
down to earth choice, having the design there and nowhere
this oak tree I turned into a fireplace or whatever. Yeah, okay,
so transitioning here okay, which which also so her V
video of her career timeline I've watched I watched like

(20:20):
twenty times at this point, I'm like, there's the way
that hearing her talk about her work is so captivating
to me. I'm like, it's a it's a full she's
a mesmer. I'm like, I can just watch you just
talk about how you do like dream. I've talked about
the pot the dream work that she talked about. We're
started fascinated by because it's really interesting like that she

(20:41):
would and yet I completely believe that she, no matter
what it was, might inform her work that way on
the day because she is so and this is something
I say a lot, but she's so specific in grounded
and never puts herself before the film in a way
where I'm like, Power of the Dog actually is the
perfect first nomination for her because it is a great

(21:04):
encapsulation of her understanding tone of her because and honestly,
while she is a movie star well I'm sure she's
been number one on dozens and dozens of call sheets,
there is something to say about how she supports the
film she's in. And I don't think the Power of
the Dog works unless you have that performance be exactly

(21:25):
what it is not not to say that another actress
couldn't do it. But but Power of the Dog, and
I've said this before, is about her anxiety and it
is about a battle for her life, and so you
have to in those final minutes of the movie believe
that either Cody Smith McPhee or Bennett Cumberback is gonna
like triumph in this household. And you only care as

(21:47):
much if you are really believing the build that is
her anxiety and her break at that last scene where
she's collapsing, and I'm just like so and it really
is so dude to Jane Campion as well, But it's
such a genius performance and it's not showy. But I
wish more performances like this would went on in the

(22:09):
way that I think The Lost Daughter ends on a
note that makes you forget what you saw. The end
of Power of the Dog makes you think her character
was basically a red herring because it's ultimately all about
what Cody has done, so you forget, like you just
think of her as drunk, right. But then but then
it doesn't end on like her and Jesse Plemons walking

(22:29):
back from the from the funeral, from the service, and
it's Cody just kind of like check like looking from
his room and just like seeing that she's okay, curtively
and just being like okay, like she's I've protected her
well because the movie begins with that with that voice,
So him being like, it's my job to protect my mother.
What kind of some would I be if I did

(22:50):
not do that? Um? This goes back to there's a
lot of time I bring up the dreamwork. Um. She
says that she loves that because there's no way that
she doesn't feel confident about enacting choice about an acting
choice if it's informed by her subconscious, which means she's
pretty in touch with her instruments, you know. And by
the way, in an unpretentious way, like what you're talking
about this video where she talks about her career and

(23:11):
like the choices she made in what roles were difficult, etcetera.
It's what Gaga wishes she could convey, you know, like
I'm I'm good at this job. I have methods that
I pull from and I deliver something great. Lady Gaga
wants to tell us she's doing that, but to hear
Kris Kristen do it successfully is very reassuring because you

(23:32):
kind of, while listening to Gaga think oh, maybe all
actors are secretly a little full of ship like, but no,
she's not. She's not. She's not, she's not. Yeah, it
comes from a real place that you can tell us something.
And I also think another thing about Kirsten Dunstay is
we don't really super no too much about her as
a person. We know about her through her work and
she's given so many different kinds of versatile performances. But

(23:55):
there was a moment there a few years ago where
she definitely had a hard moment. Let's pre Allen Collie.
She checked into rehab after Spider Man three. She's who
I associate with Parrels Hilton dot com because she was
I actually, unfortunately defend certain things about Pearrels Hilton in reuch. Yeah.

(24:16):
I mean it was in the moment in that time,
it was what like it touched on something that we
all like really responded to. I just feel like the
way we covered celebrities changed forever after that, and I
think we were needing something that was less stale. Again,
I think someone like Juliana Ransick does hard work. I
think it's hard to be on a red carpet and
say something novel about everybody it's super boring to see

(24:39):
someone who has the same quote unquote enthusiastic take about
every celebrity. So I have somebody who covered daily news
and be like, this person is full of ship, and
then also on the contrary, be like, pay more attention
to Madonna's choices, you know, Madonna like whatever, like picking
favorites and being super adamant about it and informed about it.
That wasn't always in entertainment media. My thing about Kirsten too,

(25:08):
is it is about like it's like you're saying with Gaga,
Gaga is letting us know about all the work this is.
And I think it's one of the reasons why we're
so transfixed, so sort of like invested in this new
thing she's rebut because you don't hear about her process,
you know. And I'm so I've sort of been doing
like a kirston a thon um in these last few

(25:30):
weeks because I'm loving this moment. And we did say
on this podcast, I think it was like a year ago,
it's like kirston kirst thinking we started beating the drum,
not to say we're we're doing the credit, but like
I think as a maybe it's even as a gay community.
It's like it's like it's been it's been bubbling under.
I wouldn't happened, he would have loved performance. Yeah, so

(25:55):
you're so you don't think she should win for Power
of the Dog. I'm on the fence. It's a weird
category for me because again it's like, I don't even
really know what I think of Jesse Buckley. I have
to go and see the movie again. Basically, what's the
weirdest choice to me is Judy Dench in there, who
has an extremely small part in Belfest, though she is
quote unquote the heart of the movie, so I kind
of get it, but to vote for her over Katrina

(26:16):
and that movie who has the significant emotional moment with
the stakes feels I'm sorry mean. And also it's like negligent.
It's like, what do you mean, Like they clearly saw
the movie. I was wondering if they didn't see the
movie and they just thought, oh, well, Judy Dench plays Granny,
so we've got to vote for her. That not by
the way, I love Judy way, I'm not going to

(26:40):
call her underrated, but people just assume she gives a
certain performance again and again, and it's like she's been
solid for so long that you kind of just know
it's like scandal. You could argue that no, right, the
crazy choices she makes and they just all seem normal,
because she's the most dropped in actor ever, you know,
dropped in by the way, a phrase I have totally
stolen from you and has infected my brain because I

(27:00):
have to remind myself all the time to be it exactly.
It's a linguistic thing where it's like if you can
name it, then you sort of live with it more.
But um, I heard that you are very upset about
with Mega. That's I mean, like like any reasonable fag,
you know. But I said, that performance and this is
of course the highest compliment I can give, belongs in
the movie Carol, and that it's like it's about poise

(27:21):
and it's about um sort of like the chemistry that
comes with like sophistication, and yet there's also a tragic
artifice there and you can see the cracks and but
she's not playing the cracks like you have to search
for them initially. And I just thought that was clearly
the performance of the year, and everybody who watches that
movie seemingly is like of course she's amazing, my Cara

(27:42):
who is that? It is startling and honestly, like I
didn't actually even though she's an Oscar nominee for Loving Um,
which as a nomination I didn't know, you Revile, I
hate that nomination. Yeah, And so it's just like, so
I thought it was a slam dunk because I was like,
if they nominated it for that, they'll certainly nominated her
for this in a in a category where it felt

(28:03):
like there were only a few sure things um her
actually being one of them after all these precursors, and
then when they didn't, it felt like, oh maybe they
just and they did completely miss this movie. Yeah. Yeah,
Well it seems like this was this season in the
year where precursors meant nothing, and I think they mean more, nothing,
more and more, which I'm happy about. I'm sick of

(28:24):
the like deluge of we already know what's going to
happen weeks and weeks before the Oscars, like let's check
gold Derby and see like where the needle is moved
and like where like does it ever meaningfully I don't know,
like predict these things. I don't know. Yeah, these things
that they used to say meant everything. Don't anymore like
they used to say, like when when a movie gets

(28:47):
nominated for editing, it's certainly getting nominated for Best Picture,
and it's like a precursor. And then I saw Tech
Tech Boom get nominated for editing, and I'm like, well,
certainly in a year where there's ten nominees and a
leading actor contender, will a Ti Ti Boom in Best Picture?
Which I would have loved. I love tick tick Boom.
I thought it was really good and then it wasn't
and I was just like, nothing means anything? Like what

(29:08):
what about necessarily the editing of Tick tick Boom? Are
you like, well, that's okay. You're a person to imagine
there's a ballot in front of you. Do you need
to vote for Best Pictures because something got an editing nomination? No?
What are you talking? Like? What magical race of people
are you talking about? Who votes that way? It's like
the thing do you see Dune? I did not see done.

(29:32):
I'm telling you do know out of it. This is
a lot going for it. But it's half a movie.
It's half a movie laterally, and and so whatever. But like, certainly,
if you're going to list the top five nominations it's
getting certainly one is direction of Direction. I don't know
why it wasn't there. It's just so interesting the way

(29:53):
these things shake out. Sometimes there is a magical race
of people, and it's people who have the Academy Showroom
app on the Apple TV. Yes, my friends, you know,
I learned about it. I learned about it through Jordan's
and then I was and then I was at work
with someone who is on the Academy and he was like, oh, yeah,
I watched it on that and I was like, he's like,
I watched Drive my Car on the on the Academy.
I was like, you people are how dare you? How

(30:15):
dare you like fucking way this in front of our face?
And you know, all those people have good TVs, great TVs, theaters.
Even even I just I just want to that's not
a password thing, is it? Like I'm sure there's like
four different authentication process you just gotta be or no,
someone in the Academy. No. But I'm saying even if
you just it's not like an HBO like go password

(30:37):
thing where it's like I think you I think they
probably authenticate you like four times over to make sure that,
like it's just showing up. It's like Alias. Yeah, yeah,
it's like alias, I'm certain that I'm this is ruined
my media consumption, Like I I feel like I need
that or else they won't be happy. I don't know.
And it's so satisfying to scroll through. It's like, wow,
they're all here. They're all here. Don't have to go

(30:58):
through the mania of what's available where, or I'll go
to this weird movie theater where like the popcorn is petrified.
You know. I will say when I was when I
was in New York, um and I had to cancel
all my shows and like it was it was, Oh,
Macron was the new Beast. I was the only person
at Angelica and I saw like four of them like

(31:19):
right in a row because they have loved that. That's
my favorite time of year. Yeah, it really is fun.
And I always go by myself, like in Zone and
that's how I saw being the Ricardo's Liquorice pizza a
red rocket, which we loved, loved, I mean, did didn't
get any love right well, he was. I just think
it's a thing of people not seeing it. But then
again with the Academy app is that an excuse, and

(31:39):
also he lost a five huge stars with like sterling reputations,
so that's actor's wild. I think that if I had
a gun to my head and I for SAG, I
do have the gun to my head. I think I'm
gonna vote for King Richard for ensemble and vote for
Andrew Garfield for actor. I feel good about that. I
feel like his main compety Titian in best act. I

(32:01):
guess people still think Will Smith's gonna take it. I don't.
I feel like people aren't talking about that performance in
regards to that movie. Even I feel like people are
more into Anganu Ellis, who has an extremely small part.
Have you seen King Richard? Okay, you gotta you know
it's good. I mean like it's a sports film and
you would think it would put you to sleep right
away because you know what's coming, right, But it's not.
There's something about it that feels very organic to what

(32:23):
that story was, that is well expressed, and the girls
are great. Right by the way, there's an interview with
one of those girls, the girl who plays Venus, her
name is I think yes, her talking about oh yeah,
I learned how to hit the ball with my wrist
broken because she hits it with her wrist broken. I
was like, what you're like, I think she's a righty
and Venus is a lefty or something like that. She

(32:46):
she did learn to do it with her other hands.
That's pretty cool and it's crazy. And there's a moment
in King Richard where she realizes that she's won something,
or she she realizes something is happening and she goes
to the mirror, looks at herself in the mirror and
like has a celebration. And I'm like, that young actor
is someone to watch. And there's a moment later because
a lot of them the movie is based on Venus's rise,

(33:07):
and so Serena, who as we all know, went on
to become the greatest player ever. Like, there's a moment
where the actress playing Serena sort of sitting there standing
at the court and Will Smith goes over to her.
I I think this is the best original screenplay of
the year. I I do. And so he goes over
to her and says, I know that this is hard
because this is all about Venus. But and Will Smith

(33:28):
is really good in this scene. Oh I'm gonna cry.
He was like, you're gonna be the best of all,
which feels a little convenient even though I'm sure, but
but it's like to put that in the screenplay where
it's like and also you will win this many ways.
You know, it's it's a father talking to his daughter
who he knows is hurting, and I think that there
is room for that. Remember the Titans moment, you know

(33:50):
what I mean, Like in movies like, I get it,
I get being like when something is saccharin being like,
but it really works. It's a it's a really good scene.
But also in regards to that actress watching her talk,
I mean, the performance is really good. It's not drawing
too much attention to itself. Obviously the story is like
sort of about the girls, you know ultimately, but her

(34:12):
in this interview it was like that Ian Armitage thing
where it's like your years old. Yeah, I guarantee you're
older than I am. Yeah. Yeah, that's a whole other vibe. Um,
Javier is best actor. Interesting. It is interesting because you
know it's weird. Is it's like, sorry I did not
to totally, but we're can talk about like it's. Um,

(34:37):
it's weird because you think Nicole and then you do
see it and like he is imagined him being bad.
I mean, I've see people sort of down on this performance.
I thought it was great. And again, I definitely have
seen every episode of I Love Lucy. The one to
one physical parallels don't mean anything to me. In fact,
I've enjoyed seeing interviews with Lucy Arnaz, Lucy Ball's daughter

(34:59):
who has this like crack or jack memory. It's like
cool to watch interviews with her being like, I'm so
glad they didn't go for the physical transformation. She's like,
it's so much better this way, which I agree. I agree.
It's like it's like the it's the other side of
the coin for the for the Tammy faith thing where
it's like it didn't I mean, I I too have
seen all these tweets and posts where it's like Nicole
didn't have anything behind the eyes and all this stuff,

(35:20):
and it's like Lucy was so like just expressive from
like behind the face and all this stuff. And I'm like,
I still I still enjoyed. But on my thing with
Heavy Years, didn't he say in an interview after the
nomins came out where he was like, I would not
have like that movie. Is Nicole's like if it weren't
from Nicole, and that role would be nothing, which which
I appreciate that he can just sort of like be

(35:42):
very trans like he can, that he's brave enough to
say that. Yeah. I also want to say, in regards
to what you were just saying about people being upset
with Nicole, I would have loved to hear this conversation
about Tom Hanks being nominated from Mr. Rogers where he
did not seem like him at all and no one
cares a feminate quality and he did not that at all,
And I think people like that. I think there's always

(36:06):
going to be more scrutiny on women being cast the
same way. More people care about best actress than best actor,
you know what I mean. It's just like I remember
we I don't know how you felt like, but we
were both very skeptical about Nicole being Lucy because it
was originally Capel and chet right right, which and obviously
that's like my one, your dream. I don't even think
we would be talking about who would win. No, I

(36:27):
think you would be done. But then you two have
also both said that despite you know, I think Nicole
had such an uphill battle that it's it's kind of
triumphant to see it. Like, I just never bet against
her because when is has she hasn't Nicole Kidman ever
been bad? That's a good question. Uh not. Nothing really
comes to mind other than like bad movies like Bewitched.

(36:49):
Did we love that? I enjoyed it. I think she
was like I think I was like good for her,
you know, that was like but that was in her
true like Imperial phase one point though, right, you know
what I mean? That was like I I was excited
to see Christian schenn with in a movie. Oh yes, right, yes,
which is which is illegal for a number of years. Yeah.

(37:09):
Well then she did The Boy next Door and now
it's illegal again. Oh my god that role. Wait she'
The Boy next Door, which right after she is viciously insulted.
It's a thing where like a character doesn't deserve it
but gets it really bad. It's like she's found dead
in the closet, like, oh my god. There's then we

(37:32):
put that guy in um everybody wants some where. He
wears a jacks Wolf he's so hot. No, no guess
what his name is but something Ryan Guzman, Okay, first
edition for me? No, you shouldn't have. Whenever I said
you shouldn't have, ill do you laugh? And I don't
think we've ever gotten into a bigger fight than when

(37:54):
over Jennifer Lopez and Laura during year. She's amazing and
I came out of hustle has been like definitely Jennifer
Lopes's best performance, and I am upset that she didn't
get the nomination. You are hard, Laura, Yes, generally yeah, uh,
which I don't want to say that's basic of I
don't know, I don't know. I was anst to you

(38:16):
about it because I felt like she then became like underestimated.
People like, oh, it was a broad performance whatever. It's
like that part of the movie wouldn't work if she
weren't a little fucking weird. Exactly exactly, Laura Dern liking
Laura when what? What? When did that happen? You know?
This is I think it was big little saying liking
Laura Dern becoming synonymous with basics. This is a thing

(38:41):
because there was a moment where Laura Dern was like
it felt like finally we're talking about Laura Dern in
this way. And then in a instance literally okay, RuPaul
hosted SNL me Sudie and Frank Llspie wrote a sketch
called gay Oscars and it was me and Rue host
and then was like and of course it was basically
what that Jordan's Firstman piece ended up being. Yeah, and

(39:03):
where it was like Laura and Laura was nominating every
single category best hair was like we thought so at
the time until and this is not this is not
us like knocking like the like Jordan's thing, but it
was just like, oh, whoa, this is so weird, Like
the parallel thinking on Laura Dern is really synchronized in
such a specific way right now. And then after that

(39:25):
that was the inflection point. Maybe not that specific thing,
but like shortly after now it's like we talked about
Laura Dern and it's like, oh god, whatever, It's like
I think it's even a joke. In the second to
the other two, like Laura Dern like Day's liking Laura
Dern became monoculture like the Titanic. Yes, it's like it's
like everyone in America knows pej Yeah. And but I

(39:47):
will say I think it calmed down enough to where
I could see here on the Jurassic World Dominion trailer,
I'd be excited. Yeah, no, correct, but no, it's just
that thing that happened to Jennifer Coolidge too, And I
feel like somebody else in Tony Collette a little bit
when people like congratulate themselves for having quote unquote done
the homework over the years, Like I remember her from
two movies. I've always liked, yes, yes, not just which

(40:08):
we do. We do all the time on our respective constantly,
us more than you guys probably, but like this is
us being like Kirsten done, so we deserve the crime.
We're not saying that, but it's like we've been doing,
we've been We're probably just like echoing something that like
a lot of people, I don't know, I don't know,
but there needs to be that conversation all these things
to happen. And so like I think in a way,

(40:29):
I'm not mad at it, just yes, yes, yes, yeah,
because it's it gets done. And of course in this
in this culture, you don't want to be the sixth
person to say something. I just think we have this
gay people might have this post coital m postnut guilt
shame around like a shared thought. Oh well, a bunch
of people think the same way I do about this thing,

(40:50):
and so therefore it must be a bad thought. But
I mean, but meanwhile, it's like it's like the on this,
I do know exactly what you mean, and I feel
this way as well. But also it's like, objectively is
fucking incredible, you know what I mean? Like objectively, like
I said thank you, and like I will not not
be rich. And I don't think she wins the Oscar

(41:10):
for Marriage Story without that performance. I think it's akin
to Katherine Heigel doing what she did in the finale
of season two of Gray's Anatomy and then getting knocked up,
which is why she wins for season three of Gray's Anatomy.
I think it just feels at a certain point like
it's time, and I wish that they're felt like there
was that immediacy around Kirston this year, because it feels

(41:32):
like what's going to happen is Ariana Debos is going
to win, who I think is phenomenal in the movie.
But I don't need her to have an oscar right,
right right, And in fact, it almost might be better
if she didn't win an Oscar, so that there was
some suspense about where her next move would take Um,
I just want to wrap up that conversation about Laura
during the thing that is annoying about it is the
people who tweet. Uh. Certain people who tweet about her

(41:54):
pretend like they aren't privy to the conversations, like they
just came up with that. I don't know what it
is about Laura Dern, but I just love you. Don't
say I've read that fifty fucking times. You know you're
pretending not to be a part of the conversation while
starting a conversation. Yes, yes, I'm angry it Rose, I

(42:15):
will say, how do you feel? If you're right? My
favorite topic on this podcast is, of course Bryce styles
Howard and how do you feel? Yeah? My thing with
y U, My my thing with Bryce Dallas is you
would never be like first, first choice, like we're going
Bryce Dallas. But when she's there, I always have She's

(42:36):
making a choice, She's always going for it. How do
you feel if you're Bryce Dallas Howard and you're like cool,
gearing up for the third one and they're like, we're
bringing back Laura Dern. Do you think you're excited or
you're like, God, damn it, I'm not the iconic one
here well, and the trailer it seems like there were
there were a lot of scenes where like she and
Laura are trapped in some like which I love, I
love it. I I bet they had so much fun together.

(42:57):
I'm obsessed. I don't want to I don't want to
buy in Janny sort of like, no, I want both
of them on equal sides of a t rex. They
nodded each other and then fucking kill it. I want
Laura dern And and Bryce Dallas to fucking that energy
is very uh nev Campbell and Courtney Cox in the
new scream that you can almost tell they've decided we
won't be killed. So now we're just gonna glance at

(43:19):
each other as the murders occur and then like get
a shank in the knee and kill them or whatever.
David Arcutt was this was this the scream where um,
it's uh, where are you bringing a gun with you?
I'm Sidney Prescott. I always have a Sydney Prescott said
second a Memory rights, and it's actually real culture number.
Sydney Prescott said Second Amendment rights, and she should if

(43:42):
anyone's gonna say it, it should be Sydney. I mean
the woman is constantly under attack. I think it's actually
time and this is crazy to ask the question. Oh
my god, yes, I was getting so carried away with
we've never even a million times. Well, you know, he

(44:03):
did do one of the most iconic trolls, which, by
the way, I missed in my daily life. I wish
more people would just come up to me and like,
you have to talk right now about vera farn you
pulled Chelsea Clinton. I mean, you were mean, But that's
the thing about I don't think so any trouble. You

(44:25):
don't know until you feel, until it's coming in your mouth.
And I loved the Queen of the soft tweet like,
oh yeah, she's like responding to like Denische Di Susa
with thank you for your opinion. But it's like, what,
You're not owning him at all, and this is stupid
And this was peaque Chelsea Clinton twitter that that was
around that time. A few years ago, Vanessa bay Are

(44:46):
hosted like the Glamour Women of the Year Awards, and
one of her jokes was like she was like she
was like listening everyone that was being honored in Chelsea
Clinton was one of them, and she was like Blake
lively something something Chelsea Clinton. We all have some one
thing in common. None of their mom were president, and
so Chelsea Clinton got up like later it was like Vanessa,
just so you know, it's true, none of our moms

(45:09):
were a president, but one day one of our moms
will be. And it's like Chelsea, I guess, like go off.
But anyway, the question in hand, lewis fort tell what
was the culture that made you say culture was for you?
Can I give a preamble to the answer and then yeah,

(45:29):
there's no rules, just vibes whatever. Um. Well, my oldest
pop culture memory is when I was like minutes old
and the show I would watch every day, and there
are pictures of me watching it is you can't believe it.
Weeld of Fortune because we are fortune to me actually
has almost everything I'm interested in, which just first of all,
stunning visuals, many colors, and I was so obsessed with

(45:50):
the wheel that I would, in my spare time as
a child take cake circles and draw with cran and
a protractor and my mom would help me. I would
make Wheel of Fortune and my younger brother Greg would
do it too. Now, people familiar with the spectrum may
understand that there's something about repetitiveness, like wheels spinning. I

(46:12):
couldn't stop looking at stealing fans when I was a kid,
So there was something I was. I was a little
bit like close to the spectrum, just like I had.
I had something with radial things, radial things, and so
do my brother Greg um. And so there's something transfixing
about that. Um. The puzzles routinely like clued you into idioms,
yes your yes, yes, pop culture. I remember something I

(46:35):
used to love about Wheel of Fortune. You would always
see the um category star and roll or husband and wife,
and so you would get the thrilling solve of Eddie
van Halen and Valerie Burton Elly. And so then I
would be like, I've got to remember that. And then
you pay you start to pair those things, yes exactly,
synapses start firing and you start building the Wikipedia and yeah,

(46:59):
um so. And also there's something about a game show
where all the sound effects are just in the right place,
like if you guess wrong, you get this noise, if
you get right, you get this noise. And there's something
really calming about that. So the calming nature of entertainment
that spoke to me. But in terms of really formative
pop culture. You know that when you experience the celebrity

(47:20):
at just the right time in your life, Like, for example,
Jim Carrey came out when I was eight, and he's
the perfect movie start for an eight year old. When
I was in middle school, that's when I got really
into old blockbuster videos of like the best of Gilda Radner.
Are you bat to say, Jane, I will I will
get to jams? But specifically Gilda Radner. There's something about

(47:41):
being in middle school where you still have your childlike qualities,
but a part of you is almost starting to consciously
put those away, like you don't want to seem like
a little kid. And Gilda Radner to experience her and
her like rambunctiousness and her really like juvenile characters, and
it's like for her to say, like keep all of it,
keep your child by child to be a kid, you know,

(48:03):
like just the Judy Miller show and she was the brownie,
like doing a her own TV show in her room,
or just the wackiness of the character. It's like yes
with thector to the animals. I picked up that Mike
Nichols book to read about Gilda. Only a page and
half Mark Harris, You're on my list. Um, but like
it was so affirming and so like, you know, I

(48:25):
don't have to change at all, you know, I think
I've really been on that ever since. Like, no, I'm
I'm driven to be this thing. And also I think
it's a little underrated about Guilda Redna that she was
that childlike person juxtaposed with these men who honestly wanted
to be cool. Her whole thing was never wanting to
be cool, you know, like Chevy Chase wanted you to
find him like a sexy prick. Yeah, and I like,

(48:48):
I love um Bill Murray a comic, but like his
was like always underlining with cynicism, and she always wanted
to feel like I can't even begin on that. Yeah,
but no, I like I hated that energy and so
for her to offset that, And a part of me
almost thinks, like it shouldn't be this important to me
that a woman was lovable on a cast, but but

(49:10):
it was a necessary in that group of people. Between
Jane and Lorraine. Yeah. Yeah, I mean you, I think
you probably have a better I don't know, understanding of
like those dynamics than I do, honestly, and like I
don't know, I don't know why I say that, but
like I think this is such a I think this
is this is one of my favorite answers. Well, we've
never even discussed Kilda on the show. She is a

(49:34):
paradigm because in her footsteps comes everybody. You would never
not bring her up if you, and I almost feel
like they feel burdened to talk about her because she's
a woman, but she is also fabulous, So she's absolutely amazing.
And the thing too is like what one thing I
I find is and we've we've discussed this sometimes, but

(49:55):
there is such a unlocking of when you have fun,
everyone has fun, and that's a disciple that I think
um Amy Poehler follows and so many of the women
else and now certainly Maya, And I think that is
coming from a like it almost like a like a
spiritual thing that is Gilda, because when you say that

(50:15):
she had her she had her youthful energy but also
very very very adult struggles, you know what I mean,
Like you have to imagine that that um saved her
in a way, you know what I mean, Like she
had a difficult life and an adulthood, and I think
that that inner child is something that um probably was

(50:37):
a day to day salve for her and like certainly
translates in her work because what she was giving you,
which the rest of the cast like at the time
maybe wasn't, was the sense of fun in the following
of the fund, which is so important in comedy and
especially at that job, at that job, and like you're
so right about like the men wanting to be cool,
and she didn't really give a funk, but she would

(50:57):
still go to like Studio fifty four and you know,
like still be this like I don't know this like
effervescent person and oh my god, like you Carry the Light.
One of the best memoir titles. I think. It's always
it's always something I just read recently. And obviously there
are moments of levity and that's sort of the thing
that led to Guilda's Club and like, you know, having

(51:20):
fund during a really difficult life moment. That book is
basically a horror story because it's literally doctor after doctor
getting her diagnosis wrong or playing down how bad it is.
And it's really really tough to read, even though you
really remember her point of view throughout it. You remember, like, god,
she really was fucking obsessed with Gene Wilder and that
really like propelled her through a lot of that. But um,

(51:43):
it's an invaluable book for that reason. There's some I
think it's either in the book or it's in something
else where. It's like she's like, uh, she's writing about
what she wants her tombstone to say, or she's like,
bury me with a TV and have my tombstone say
here lies Guilder Radn or she had a great time
or something, and I'm like, oh my, did you see

(52:03):
love guild at that documentary that they did on him
and year ago? So good, just so good. And yeah,
I can't believe we haven't talked about her on this well.
You know, I think it's one of those things. It's
just kind of generational because it's it's just I know
the name is a little bit lost to time. It
certainly is, and I mean it's it's very similar to
Lucy actually, because you know, whenever I think we were

(52:25):
that last generation of people who were watching Nick and
Knight and the show was on. It's weird to think
of like kids now not having that understanding of where
sitcom came from and where female driven comedy like really
came from in terms of like mainstream television, but with Guilda,
I think that her spirit so lives on and the

(52:48):
women that followed her that at least that you know
what I mean, Like I would imagine that it's certainly
emotional for any like female cast member that goes through
SNL to see her picture on the wall. She also,
by the way, was kind of a Whitney Houston situation
where like America, the country was led to believe she
was sort of getting better. She made like a yeah, yeah, yeah,

(53:12):
So I wonder if there's additional um feelings attached to
oh my god, she'd up and died. You know. It's
like those like the final days where like I think
like it was like, uh, Bill Murray would go and
visit her, or like it's like a lot of like
those SNL people visited her in the hospital and like
she just was just just kind of like so frail

(53:34):
and just like sagged in their arms, and it was
like this is Guilder Ratter who was like life jumping
all over the place. You know. It's also it's so
it's so sad and frustrating when you realized that someone
was taken by something that maybe twenty or thirty years
later could have been dealt with a little bit or
much better, you know what I mean. It's just one
of those things. And like her legacy obviously literally lives

(53:55):
on and so many people that followed her, but it
is good to keep the aim like alive because you know,
it's just there was no one like her, I mean,
and she opened that door, like like when you talk
about it like truly someone who influenced so many and
then by the same token you speak about Jane like
a completely different energy at the same time, and by

(54:16):
the way, is like my hero I should and beside that,
I as an adult, feel like I have become more
of a Jane curtain. Oh yeah, that's me. And I've
heard I think Tina Fey even said you something you
realize after a certain time that you're not a guilt
of And like there's even something about the way she
read the news during weekend Update where it was about
hard punch lines, like I'm not reacting emotionally to this,

(54:39):
I'm not looking at the guy to my left, where
she plays it so straight that I feel like, in
a way, she was the most influential of the early
people to do it because like people don't do it
like Chevy Chase now or even Bill Murray. You know,
there's the hard cell of the line I rolled at
Accompany's it. I feel like it's very Tina Fee where
it was like the chevy Chases gave way to like

(55:02):
the Letterman's in terms of definitely in terms of this like, oh,
I'm a male comedian, so I will be a little
bit of a just a little bit of an asshole
above it all, above it all in a way that's
fun and like the audience kind of responds to and
laughs at. But but Jane did kind of set this
precedent of like, um, someone who's just like I'm not
put upon, but someone is just like just trying to

(55:22):
get through it, like I don't know, and like honestly
in a way that like maybe like I would say,
Jay has a little bit of Jane weirdly similar. They
are similar on that just like reading the news and
be like okay, like here we go. Like Chay, like

(55:43):
Chay for all of his like online behavior like has
this very like he wouldn't mind be saying this, Like
he has this very like um uh calculated troll persona
that he loves. But on the show, it's like except
for when he's like, you know, shipping on Hall, and
it's like if he's reading just like a headline and
a set up at a punchline, he's just kind of like, Okay,

(56:05):
here we go. You know. He doesn't give it much,
which which I think is kind of Jane Jane, which
the IY roll is sort of like whatever you know,
and like, um, yeah, have you met Jane ever? No.
One time, Well, I was wearing my Jane curtain shirt.
I was at a Trader Joe's in Los Angeles and

(56:26):
I get to the counter and the guy goes, you
just missed her. She was just here. I was like,
I mean, that's like a Joker origin story, Like my
brain went fifty directions. Anyway, she seems and she also,
by the way, is a celebrity Jeopardy legend. She made
She made it to the end of a giant tournament
and lost in the end to Michael McKean, who's also Yeah,
but she's like a trivia girl, which I love, and

(56:47):
in fact was on a game show in the six
late sixties or seventies that I forget the name of.
But I was like, wow, and you're a game show
girl like UIs. We didn't. That's the one game show
I lost, unfortunately. But so that going back to a
little fortune is that I don't know this, It's hard.
I don't what am I asking? Like was that paired
with Jeopardy over time, like you just watch both shows

(57:09):
in the same sitting. And also something that was seminal
was that you could play home versions of Wheel of
Fortunate in Jeopardy that my parents had. So that's how
I learned to like type on the computer. I mean
you can to the Wikipedia biopic is like writing itself
and uh, you know, and like that's how I started
accruing knowledge whatever. And I just want to say about
Pat say Jack too. While his politics disappoint me, he

(57:31):
is incredibly underrated on that. He's very very good rules
he has to get through and then he conveys them
in a different way every time with like a joke. Again,
I just brought up Bill Murray. I watched Um groundhog
Day recently. Pat say Jack style is not different than
Bill Murray, who was giving you like who was giving
you like a a soft cynicism, but he underlines it
with a smile to keep the game going, and I

(57:53):
find it so reliably good. It's just the way someone
when someone is like, d it's not deep, yes, I
know the no, no, do you know what I'm saying?
Like it's like that kind of thing, or it's just
like that, Well you're up there moving on. It is
there is something calustic about it, I guess, and it's
just it's it's the tone is wonderful. But also, of

(58:18):
course there's an awkward disc Wheel of Fortune where you
could have one letter left and still not know the
puzzle and maybe everybody else, maybe everybody else in America
knows the puzzle. It's extremely stress Birds of a Weather.
Oh but like, imagine you're responding to that. Okay, it's me.
I'm a fantastic your pats agent Birds of Weather? What

(58:40):
that's oh oh well no, what I would that I
would that would be my authentic responsive to weather. Honestly,
I can't That's when I love that on YouTube. I
cannot sit through it because, by the way, as somebody

(59:04):
pointed out to me, I think it was my friend
David Clark. He said, actually, Wheel of Fortune is the
more uh brainier gain than Jeopardy because if you get
a question on Jeopardy, it's like calling response like you
know what I feel a fortune you are you have
the responsibility of solving something in front of America. You
have to use your brain to do it. And even

(59:24):
though it's like a meager task, really it can still
not occur. And then what the snakes are super high
because of how menial it seems, you know it's And meanwhile,
Jeopardy it's like I genuinely feel and I went on
wants to be a Millionaire? Because I said the same
thing and how much would you want a millionaire? Thirty ground? Okay,
I won five and I got to twenty and then

(59:44):
did something stupid and got knocked down. But I honestly
felt like, who wants to be a millionaire? What? You know?
Did you do it in Vegas? Yes? So they put
so much bullshit on it and it's just you, and
it's so dramatic and there's so much and the words
are so big, and it feels so high stakes on

(01:00:05):
you that I almost feel like, despite the fact that
the level of difficulty is not Jeopardy, that it feels
more high stakes than my heart pressure because it is
on you. You are the star of that episode. Meanwhile, Jeopardy,
it's like when you're with three and then the host
and it's more fast moving. You almost have more clarity
and like in terms of when you're going to buzz

(01:00:26):
in what the answer is. And I feel like watching
Jeopardy more like allows you to be better at the game,
whereas millionaires kind of just like it is not what
it seems like. Oh, also the deal with millionaires you
can't pass up a question if you don't know it all.
But I think this is what's this is what's interesting
about what Louis said about Will of Fortune, where it's
like the cues, the sounds are placed just right, and

(01:00:50):
I think that the oral slash sonic landscaping of a
game show is so important. But real fortune just kind
of feels the stakes don't seem that high because like
the sounds are like thing, but like it feels like
kind of frivolous and fun. Jeopardy it's like mostly silent, right,
and then a millionaire is fucking like it's scored. Feels think. Yes,

(01:01:15):
So if you don't know what immediately, you have to
sort through it and then speak through it. And then
if you're me or Matt, you obviously feel somewhat obligated
to give entertainment and it's it's so yes, it's theater,
but this is what I mean study and I I
brought studio as my plus one and we had like
essentially a comedy bit. And when I brought it up
and I was like, see, now did I get something
out of this because that went well or because because

(01:01:35):
the questions like, but ultimately it is and what I
would say to everyone at home that's watching a millionaire
like that is not something they put in later, like
they're scoring it while you're there, like and you're like, um,
I cannot think, like and I remember, like there were
certain questions that I was always gonna get right, Like

(01:01:55):
I got a viola Davis. I remember that, yes, and
so that one was fine, But then were other ones
where the one that I got out on was a
question about the spelling. And I don't think I would
have ever gotten it wrong except in that situation. And

(01:02:15):
you're saying that they did not they did score it
in that moment, or they didn't they did, they did,
and yes, and see like that, I definitely know that
Ebeneezer is spelled eb and easy are in the moment
easy to second guess when you see four spellings. Yes,
And I thought for a second because because the question
was phrased like what is the correct spelling of the
protagonist name of Charles Dickens's um Christmas Carol? And I

(01:02:40):
thought maybe they'll give four different names. No, they gave
four different spellings of Ebeneezer, and I was like fuck.
And at that point they have kept you there all day.
The coffee situation was bleak, like they tire you out.
All you're watching in the dressing room is jepar is
um who wants So the last thing you want to
do when you out there is play that fucking game.

(01:03:01):
Everyone's watching the scoring, etcetera. Your brain is not your
brain at home. Yeah, yeah, and you've been I think
you've been kept from your phone and like material, we
can't have a book, you can't have anything that gives
you any information essentially, but the sound design of these
shows I take for granted. Unfortunately, Yeah, I Jeopardy is

(01:03:23):
like even like the dude like it's like it's it's
then of course the iconic final song, which the greatest
bop in history, which is like why merv Griffin had
all the money he had. It's um, but I guess,
but as your do you think we'll have fortune? Are
we saying that we'll have fortune tricks the contestant into

(01:03:44):
this ease that then sets them up for total humiliation potentially. Yeah,
well it's it's I would compare it to family feud
in that the question is not difficult. So if you
get it right, you feel merely relieved, as opposed to
if you missed it, you feel devastated and so stupid.
And by the way, at home really are like fuck

(01:04:05):
that fucking idiot. Ye right. And by the way, if
you want to family feud, I guarantee you're not coming
up with every answer. No, you know, no, I would
stuck at family feud. I think that family feud it
will be just one of those things where I think
I'd be good at the last part. Yeah, just like
the the call and response, it's like improv Yeah, but
you you want to be closer to Steve because you

(01:04:26):
want to be the one that goes and not be
the person that's like or what are things that a
wife might say to us man, and you're like, you
need to eat my pussy And it's like and then
it's like you give it to him, but like it's
not right, you know what I mean? But you don't
want to be last on the end. Like I think
that's what families make the mistake of. They put the

(01:04:47):
flops on the end. The black strips of the family
are on the end. That's where the points are made. Yeah,
because of Marissa is on the end. She's not really
in our family, but we need an extra spot? What
do you think? And then it's just like I don't know,
but you know, what are our thoughts on Steve Harvey
as host? I do think, I mean, he's good at
what he does. I think he's a great speaking voice.

(01:05:07):
I think so too. But I will say this, he
really will just do the sorry, what's the thing called
when you corpse or like when you look at the
camera when people say anything. He's not even paying attention.
He's corpsing sort of in a way that is like, um,
he's also not he's also an actual literal corpse. And
then he's he's weaking a burdens Burns like every year

(01:05:31):
because he knows it works. I'm sure you can film
like eight episodes that in to day too. Sure, Yeah, honestly,
I find it very captivating as a as a host,
I love it. But I came up on Louis Anderson
for who was awesome a great family feud host, and
not enough people talk about his time on that show,
you know. And and then on the show I'm on now,
the makeup artists work on baskets and they say he

(01:05:53):
was the nice like just like such a sweet guy.
I'm like, what a loss, I think. Um. Also, I
believe Casey Wilson had a comments about him recently where
she said that, um, she was at an event with
him and she complimented him on baskets and he turned
to her and he said, you know, I'm playing my
mother and it's a tribute to her. And she was like, oh, well,
I lost my mother. And he said to her, um,

(01:06:15):
oh my god, what was her name? And she said
her name? And he looked to this guy and said hello,
the name, thank you, and like there was tears in
his eyes and then he walked away. Apparently he was
just like a beautiful soul who like really like was
giving that performance, you know, like and no ego or
like thought about like the fact that he was like,
you know, dressing up as a woman to play it,

(01:06:35):
just like genuinely playing No. You could tell that the
like Emmy gauntlet of it all was bewildering to him,
and he was just happy to have gotten there. Yeah,
he was very he was very, very, very special. And
then he was replaced on Family Food with Richard Carne,
who seems like a nice guy and was so bad
on the show. And then I feel like maybe that
like washed away the memory of Louis Anderson. And then
Steve Harvey hosted and it became the most popular it's

(01:06:57):
ever been, which, by the way, is a crazy feat
for a show that debuted in the What is this
new show that Rue is hosting? Lingo? So that is
basically word all, but it's a game show that It's
had several literations. The one I'm most familiar with was
the game show Network version in the two thousand's, hosted
by Chuck Willory, former Wheel of Fortune host um. It
was originally hosted by Ronald Reagan's son, Michael Reagan. Very strange,

(01:07:21):
but yeah, it's, uh, you're figuring out what a five
letter word is. You're given the first letter, you call
out a five letter word, and then they tell you
what letters are in the right place. What once, aren't
you have a couple of chances to it is? Okay?
So yeah, great, I feel like it's been time for
Rue to host a show like that. Yes, yes, I
actually enjoyed Gay for Pay. I like, you know, it

(01:07:44):
was it was really fun. It was sort of like
a fucking fag version of like, you know, like what's
like game? But yeah, like it was fun and like
I feel like Rue is so invigorated by that ship,
like you know what I mean, he feels like like
this same type of passion and real love for that
art form. No, Rue came and hosted Jimmy Kimmel Alive

(01:08:07):
and the head writers on my show were like, well, queen,
here's your time and pushed me at him and I
got to write a couple of sketches for him. I mean,
I have to say it was gratifying to feel like
a kindred spirit with him. Any fucking reference would come
up and I'm like, yes, you are this person. I
had lots of ideas about what he could be, and
what he was was very encouraging. Yeah, I maybe told

(01:08:28):
you this. One time I went into his dressing room
I forget why, and he had a computer open and
he's just watching old episodes of Charlie's Angels. He goes,
he goes, those girls really had chemistry. He was like,
I agree, you know he really is, Like he's like
he is just like a classic fag. You know, that's
the who else is want. I just want to give

(01:08:50):
him credit. Cola Scola is a classic. Talked to him forever,
but every once in a while he list meshed with
me with Luis, have you seen this glorious Swanson interview?
And I'm like, I have a tear in my eye already.
Thank you. We were at this party like last week.
All three of us were like I remember I think
it was like Joel's boyfriend talking about Happy Orange talking
about Happy Orange. I was like, oh my god. Yeah,
Like it's like this is just a thing that like
all queers have gathered around their televisions and watched. I lost.

(01:09:15):
I lost. It's so so brilliant. I mean, there's nothing
I mean and like I'm I'm I'm on this, I'm
on this project. Now. We're like I'm working with these
two people who like love of different generations, who are
obsessed with him that that happens a lot like him
thank you God, thank you God. But it's not even

(01:09:35):
it's not even amy. It's like all these people who
are like who have no who do not care what
our generation does, except for people like Cole, and I'm like, yep,
deserves it genuinely. I mean we I always say, my God,
damn hero like so truly and in another class. Um.
But as a as Cloris Leachman once said about pauland
Born finished, that's always good. That's good. Couldn't be me,

(01:10:04):
couldn't be me. I think it might be time time.
So this is I don't think so honey, everybody at home.
And this is the one minute segment that we do routinely,
in fact, every single time on this podcast, where we
take one minute to rail and rant and rap again

(01:10:26):
something in pop culture that I think we need it sucks,
yes we must. And traditionally I go first, and I
do have a topic. Okay, I'm o'clock. This is Matt Rodgers.
And I don't think so many as time starts now,
I don't think so many football I don't get it,
and I should. My father was an awarded defensive coordinator

(01:10:47):
for almost forty years in Lyndon Hurst High School and I,
and I was nicknamed by the cheerleaders little rogers. I
had a jersey and everything. Don't fucking get it. Here
are the things I understand. First down, I guess yeah,
I get getting it past the line, and now we
get to keep going. What the funk are the xs
ands on the playboards? And I always feel like the
fact I don't think so honey, that straight men know

(01:11:09):
how to figure this out and I don't. They can
go in a locker room, look up on a white board,
there's exs and os and they get it. Why don't
I the plays? They're going this way that way. I
don't understand how it all works. I don't understand when
you decide to kick the ball through the goddamn field
goal and when you run it. I would always run it.
It's more points. I feel like, what is the deal

(01:11:29):
with football? Also the culture of football? You know, all
their brains are mush from collision, collision, collision. We all
saw the Will Smith movie, just kidding, we didn't um
what was that called? Collateral? Confession? Concussion? But all I'm
saying is I don't think so many football and that's
thank you. Yes, I don't think there should be an
Onion article about what puppies have sustained during the Puppy Bowl.

(01:11:49):
We need to understand what will Smith nonsense. They're all
up to the football of it all. I just think
that it's one of those things that as a civilization,
if we were to zoom out, we look at it
and be like not that, like when aliens come, they're
gonna be like, you guys, do what, Like it's the
only gladiator type thing about this where I'm like, this

(01:12:10):
is not right, Like it's it's so many things had
to align for football to be like had this happen
in a sequential order for football to be this big,
like something there was a glitch in the matrix, otherwise
we would be a soccer country. Yeah, Or you know,
my promenting sports in general outside of volleyball, which I
think should be more popular, is that because they're wearing helmets,
I can't see the personal stakes in their eyes. So like,

(01:12:32):
you know, like the moments you get in tennis where
it's like, oh, here comes whatever Aronha Sanchez Vicario and
she's thinking about something and it's and it's angsty and
she had a bad day, Like that doesn't factor into
what I get from football, so there's no character study. Yeah,
we needed more who wants to be a millionaire vibe
where we all are watching one person go through it,
and I feel like that to me makes me root
for people, like for example, figure scanning. It's all the

(01:12:53):
rage right now at being the Olympics, and when I'm
watching it, I'm so stressed out in a good way
that I think as a fan this positive where I'm
watching Nathan Chan and I know what he's doing is
so difficult, and when I see him kill it and
then his little face lights up after it, I'm just like, God,
this is so true, like a game show, and I
just feel like, you know, with the football of it all,

(01:13:14):
it's like I'm zooming out and I don't get like
what it is, and I feel like maybe, like chemically,
it's just not for me. Obviously, so many millions of
people enjoy it, but it's something that I never could penetrate.
And what I always thought was interesting is my dad
was a football coach's entire life, played football whatever, never

(01:13:36):
ever ever put a football in my hands in the backyard,
never wanted to do that. And I said to him,
like a couple of years ago, I was like, hey,
like baseball was a completely different thing. I played baseball
all through high school. Um, but he never ever ever
pushed football on me. And I asked him. I was
like why. He was like, well, you never showed any
interest in it. I'm like, I never showed any interest
in baseball, but you encourage it. And he sat there

(01:13:58):
and he actually admitted, he said, you know, I think
that I don't think the kids need to be playing it.
And I was like, do you acknowledge that it sucks
with people in terms of their health and well being?
And he was like, I guess maybe I do. And
so it's like interesting to see someone from that boomer

(01:14:18):
generation literally say I could coach kids doing it if
they opted into it, but not my kid. That's okay.
And you have said this to me before, and that
is that is that is very interesting. I don't really know.
I have nothing to add. I mean, it's just it's
just I feel the same disconnect from the sport though.
It's like I want to like what people like, like
I'm not here to like resist popular things. I feel

(01:14:41):
constantly illiterate about it. It makes me feel bad. I
just don't get it well. And that's The thing is,
it's like when they really get like when there's a
flag on the play and like things stop. I'm like, why,
I know I'm someone who understands ship And then there
is that little trigger something. By the way, again, where
are the fun visuals? Right right? There is that thing
when you're growing up queer though, when you don't understand

(01:15:04):
something and you assume, oh, it's because I'm stupid. And
movies sometimes, like all the time, all the time, you
feel that way, that chrish Liker and it's like we
literally sit here and talk about sucking Norma Shearer all day.
We are obsessed with movies were important. If I closed
my eyes outside of this room and thought about someone

(01:15:25):
who understands film better than anybody, it would be like
the two of you, but specifically like you and Chris
and Shliker. I'm like, these are two like very but
this this is relatable. King Well, I'll say it. Sometimes
I'm watching Marvel movies and I'm more confused and complicated drama.
I'm like, I'm watching Guarden. When we walked out of
we walked out of Guardians, watched the first Guardians we watched.

(01:15:46):
I think more than half of it and I turned
to you and I said, the hell is going on?
Are you still doing this? And we walked the funk out.
I was like, I did not even Glenn close herself
can keep me in this seat? And the thirty one
seconds of air time. You know, she's a lead of
the ride, so she is she's playing of learning this news.
She was like she was she was. They released like

(01:16:08):
a commercial for the ride which is coming out this summer,
and she's like, Hi, I'm Optimal Clark and we're gonna
We're gonna ride the bugoon to the moon and it's
gonna be you and I and I've cut this summer.
Stay you there and bring your pown floon. And it's like,
I don't understand. What the fuck? What is the vocabulary? No,
I will never forgive people to tell for telling me

(01:16:30):
to see thor Ragnar because Kate Blanchet was in a girlfriend.
They could have cut her out of that. It was
not good. I don't care about her. And Antler's Yeah,
what was her name, Velka or something? Yeah, that's what
her name. Isn't the Dragon movie? Okay, I train your Dragon,
it doesn't matter, it's anyway. Yeah, it wasn't even that
fun for her, It wasn't even that fun. It should

(01:16:55):
have been. It should have been like the Halloween costume
for fag and yet like it didn't. John. But I
will say, like I'm I'm in support of like a
list actress says, who are better than it coming in
for one, Like I'm in support of that. How do
you feel like about Natalie Portman coming in for this,
for this, for this next door movie kind of leading
the whole thing because who else is Vanity fair career

(01:17:15):
timeline video. I'm obsessed with his, Natalie's. Both of them
I think are like very close peers. And I'm not
saying anything new, but it's like I just really think
that they from from starting out as child actors to
like becoming prestigie. Um, Natalie, I guess outpacing Curston a
bit just earlier in terms of the aco right right,
But for her, I think I think people can have

(01:17:37):
long considered themselves Natalieportman stands right right right. Um. I
always feel though, like, um, the thor m C movies
are because they're Taika, they're a little since the last
one yet yeah, and they're a little bit more they
let the actors have fun a little bit more on.
They're a little bit more off kilter and off beaten, funnier,
and so I think she is creatively involved. I'm sure

(01:17:59):
she'll make it fun for her. But when I see
her in like, you're a highness. This is her movie,
wasn't It had the feeling of film before the Yeah,
for sure, and then no strings attached, coming out at
the same time as Black Swan and everyone being like,
is this gonna hurt her? Yeah? You know that whole thing.
I just want Black Swan again. It's so good, it
is really entertaining. I do think it's about nothing, though,

(01:18:21):
and I don't know that I love it as a win.
I love it. I think it's about a lot. It's
it should be called woman is Upset. I mean we
are famously Natalie. Amila's Natalie, and I'm Mila, and I
love it. Chrisler and I call ourselves Rinko in Adriana,

(01:18:41):
Who's Rinco? Who's Adriana? I think I'm Rinko. I can
see Chris started running through the desert in that first
scene as Adriana talk about two people who got nominations,
and then like what Ricocchi, Yeah, you didn't she do
one thing? What is she? What did rinko? Who? No,
I don't know, I don't know. Bring it back? They

(01:19:01):
got the moving to supporting actress dominations right anyways, um
Bone Yang, it might be time for your out of
think honey, if you would like to go, I would
love to And that is the answer I like. Um so,
this is bo and Yang the most iconic men in Hollywood.
One of the most iconic, I'll take it, sexiest men alive.

(01:19:22):
Powerful butt hole. Um well I found a week Yeah,
Lewis didn't like, I say, one of the most powerful
assholes in Hollywood. Physically yes, And this is where I
don't make any time shots now, I don't think so, honey.
Hotel trash cans please be bigger. I need you to
hold more. You need to be a vessel, and you

(01:19:43):
were giving me a little cup holder scale. Will give
us the depth that we require of you, because otherwise
you're setting us up for true like slovenly, I think,
I think it really does. I never feel more slovenly
than I do in a hotel room, not because of
anything else besides the trash spilling out the overflow. There's

(01:20:04):
no way to make that look good to organize it.
And then especially in like in the post COVID world
and in a COVID world, I should say where some
hotels are only doing every other day housekeeping, which I respect,
that's fine. I don't think it really. I think this
is one of those things that needs to die. As
we learned to live with the virus quote unquote, but
bigger trash cans, it's been. It's been. We've been needing

(01:20:25):
them since the beginning of time. Bigger hotel trash cans.
I am. I'm living in my own filth right now,
and I know I'm not this person. Please please, please
be bigger. I beg you, and that's a minute. Be
they say, be better, be bigger. Thank you for pulling that,
because it's something that I always think and never never
make an issue out of it. They're so small, and
you know what happens. You know, you're at a hotel,

(01:20:46):
You walk down the street and there's a seven eleven,
You get like a Gatorade or something, and then you
come back and throw it out. Guess what half the
garbage can is a Gatorade bottle? Now, and you feel
like you're that person. I guess I'm the person who
drinks Gatorade all the time. I'm Gatorade girl. Now, I'm
gatorade girl. Now I'm getting paid for this nice hotel,
and I'm girl. I don't not care what the housekeepers think.

(01:21:08):
There is something, especially if it's let's say you're at
a nice hotel and there's not not that there's anything
classed about having gatorade or drinking gatorade, but something about
a gatorade being in a fancy hotel trash can doesn't
really Now I'm not getting my money's worth, even though
I did it exactly. I just and I'll say again,

(01:21:28):
I don't want the housekeepers thinking I'm garbage. I don't
want them to think I'm averages. There's seeing so much.
They're like hardened professionals. They can't possibly see your gum
or whatever and think what allows. But sometimes though, okay,
I'll be vulnerable. Sometimes there's common thing I worry about
coming and I worry about sometimes like and this is

(01:21:51):
not a big deal, but like pissing the toilet. Don't
anyone coming in and seeing my piss? Like I have
like an anti kink about piss in the toilet, boll
being left there. Oh sure, I understand. It's like yellow,
let it mellow, like save water, etcetera. The dolphins, the oceans,
the whales. I just feel like my thing is just
like I don't like to see it. Yeah right, it's

(01:22:15):
not appetizing. It's horrible, exactly right. But you're like a scientist.
Do you have all the terms? That's what That's what
everyone says. You know, this podcast has been cited in
academic work? Oh has it for our insight into the
entertainment industry? Oh? God, that's too bad. I couldn't believe it.
Like I went to I stumbled him on the Wikipedia

(01:22:38):
and it was like the podcast has been cited in
academic work. And I was like, I clicked the site
and I was like, where the fuck is this? Like
lo and behold. It was like it was something like
how it's hard to get queer art made and it
said Rogers and Yang and see. I thought the work

(01:22:58):
was going to be academic work, was going to be
like some like fucking thesis on like gay histrionic behavior
or like two people, and it was about every episode
we released in June of last year. No, but anyway, yeah, no,
the housekeeping of it all, I'm conscious of it. And

(01:23:19):
the trash cans are a little and it's a stack deck.
It's a stack deck. Literally, it's overflowing. And the deal
is you need a bigger garbage can. It just needs
to be put somewhere that you don't see it. Thank you.
How are how are you? How well are you keeping
your apartment these days? Well, you know, that's like my
one of the things I am worsed at. I have
no organizational qualities whatsoever. My my mom was always like,

(01:23:40):
I should come sometimes so I can clean it. It's prophetic.
I just I just don't have this get you should
get someone to come quiet. I know it's not hard.
I should probably just do that. I don't do it either.
I'm just saying I become better. Like, honestly, this is
such a cliche, but if I am having like someone
over to hook up, then I magically the ability to clean. Yeah,
you just need it's some steady motivation to like, I

(01:24:02):
don't know, every two weeks do a deep clean. Yeah,
I guess that schedule hook up every two weeks. That
help me, Honestly, especially now that you're in the hotel
clean up. Something about this hotel that I'm staying at
It's not sex. Burbank Acount was so deeply unsexy, and
it's I will I don't want to have I'm in
no moody to bring people over. But it's okay. There's

(01:24:22):
also something. The problem with Burbank is also the definitive
pop culture memories. They would always say that's what this
Night Show with Jay Lena was, right, So I think
of that every time I'm there. And it's been thirteen
years since I've lived in l A. I have not
shut it yet. Like I only recently shed um Santa
Monica Boulevard, not thinking of the Sheryl Crow song. I'm
not shed Santa Monica. Um, I think of private practice. Still.

(01:24:44):
When I think of Santa Monica as a place, I thinkright,
private practice. You know what silesten to the other day.
Um uh, everything gonna be like it's like um Sun
Mullins and it's like all about being in l A.
It's like she grew up in the city stars the choice.

(01:25:11):
It's like some experience through big parties. It's literally like
a bad Jack Nicholson impression. Literally is okay. So Lewis
for tell, this is really the first plan I don't
think so, Hony, You've done popped the hell off about
Chelsea c I feel like this isn't really my art form.
But we'll see how I go. I don't think they're
going to We almost never know what we're doing until
seconds before, and that's beautiful. And this a moment in

(01:25:34):
time is Lewis for tells. I don't think so, honey,
his time starts now. I don't think so, honey, starring
Jessica Alba. About the price of razor blades, Honey, you
want to ruin? You want to ruin a trip to Target.
Take a look at the gilette three section, walk on in. Also,
let me just say, I know it sound like Walter
math how complaining about the price of things right now,
But there's something about going to Target where I'm getting
my berries, bananas, my five ninety nine copy of Airplane

(01:25:56):
or whatever I need at Target. And then here comes
here comes like seasonal to pression setting in as I
walk in and need to cut hair off my face.
And then you go to the razor section. There's what
sixteen of them in a package and they cost Let
me just say something about you ever going like buy
a set of knives and they're like nineteen dollars. If
I'm wrong, knives are larger razor blades. Correct, it makes

(01:26:17):
no sense. And then when you get the razor blades,
you need someone from Target to get them off the
thing for you. So they come and bring like the
Jaws of Life or whatever to get them off the shelf.
And you can tell they're thinking under their breath, this
is the worst deal in the store. And you have
to sit by them and you spend eighty eight dollars
because you just want your neck to look fine. I mean,
and that's your neck looks amazing. I'm wearing a level

(01:26:41):
of cover. I'm like Greta Garbo on my neck. Well,
first of all, there has to be a discussion about
what needs the Jaws of Life in a convenience store
and what does it yes like why it's like a
string of thefts regarding it, and it's whatever fits onto
like the little sticks that the thing that has the
cut out that looks like a coat hanger. It's whatever

(01:27:03):
can fit onto that because that's the most easily shoplifted thing.
I guess I don't know. This is my like really terrible,
like my movie The Hide Them yes, the thing is like,
but yes, but I totally agree with you. Yeah, I'm
completely and I'm saying the alternatives off like Dollar Shave Club.
It's like, girl, well that's to see that that that
you know you're buying dull knives, like you know you're

(01:27:26):
buying a bloody face, like if you go in there
and do that, And honestly, I don't know, how are
you guys sensitive and so like it actually really matters
that you have good, good like shaving material. But the
thing is like it really is expensive, Like it's it's
like when you say fifty four dollars, you don't lie.
And also those christ White strips are expensive too, and

(01:27:47):
they're behind the there, behind the glass. Do you I'm
sorry not to be a full East Coaster. Do you
do people get seasonal depression here? I guess it's possible.
I mean I don't have depression period, but you have
seasonal effective Did you see season effective disorder? Yeah, I'm
sure there's a version of absolutely, of course there is.
And I this is so stupid. I just I literally
am here and I'm like it feels like June, I'm

(01:28:09):
so much happier than I would be when I tell people,
and I live here. I'm relieved to live here. Yeah,
it's just that that's my only That's where I'm coming
from in terms of asking that I feel sad that
you have to live in I feel kind of especially
after this something about this day. It's maybe it's because
I'm reading eve babbits. Maybe it's because I'm like just

(01:28:30):
I'm like hanging out with people. I like, I'm just like, oh,
I I like it here, and I kind of prefer
this over it. Just like life get a measurably easier here.
And it's not even just the weather, which is a
huge part of it, but it's also like, um, the
idea that you actually can relax. Like I remember when
I was living in New York. If I didn't have
like four or five things on my calendar in a day,
I feel like it was a failure. Now if I

(01:28:51):
do one thing or two things, maybe like I feel
like it was a successful day because the work life
balance actually just allows itself to take place here in
Los Angeles are probably anywhere oversides in New York. Because
I'm very susceptible to foam, to foam o oh my god,
oh my god, am I susceptible to phoo. It's like
the shame of my life. Yeah, so living in the

(01:29:11):
damn party tonight that I don't really want to go
to you, but I guess I'm like, I got nothing
else to do. And the only reason I'm gonna feel
okay with not going is because I know I'd be
miserable tomorrow if I did. But it's like usually like
if I know that a bunch of people are gathered
somewhere and I'm not there, it does like chat my ass.
I don't know, Yeah, same, I know I won't have
that much fun, but I go. I mean minus specifically

(01:29:35):
about like sexualized gay events, which is crazy because there
was no more renewable resource on Earth than gay. You
couldn't you can't possibly be missing over there. Yes there's
some over there, but there's something about like where were
we at last weekend? What was that thing called Pegasus?
It's like when if you didn't go, you'd feel crazy,
and then you go and you're like feel insane, like

(01:29:56):
I shouldn't be here, bags of meat flopping out, and
I'm just like, this is the craziest ever I wrote
that song characterized it that way. Well, I'm so sorry
about that. You didn't get the nomination. Diane Warren again
sneak and Beyonce sorry had a campaign zero and got
the nom and Gaga had a campaign a million. But

(01:30:18):
she is an Oscar winner, She's a multiple, She's had
three nominations to still it happens to you. Oh, you're right,
I can't believe I just missed that. And I'm saying,
like this House of Gucci would have been her fourth
Oscar nomination, right right, and you and you the the
the I feel like idea that's out there is that
Lady Guga is brand new to movies, you know what

(01:30:40):
I mean. It's like it still feels that way, like
she's like it's an impostor here, it's a it's a
it's a share narrative, and like it kind of kind
of fits neatly into that. But I think, like, period,
point blank, she's one of the most bankable. Yes now
that she's had two hits, because Stars was a massive
hit and House of Gucci in the COVID era, I

(01:31:01):
think it's the highest grossing what they're calling adult drama
of the year. Like she is the only name you
can put over She's one of the only names you
can put over a movie and like expect people to
show up like that ain't happening with Jennifer Lawrence necessarily. Sure,
so apparently everybody on Earth batch don't look up. I
like to say I underestimated the math that made that happen,

(01:31:22):
which is everybody. It's a movie you would want to
watch with your parents over Christmas, actually, which is sup offensive. Yeah,
oh my god, And I will say, have we talked
about this already? We don't have to get into get
into it. The conversation around and look up was like
led me to believe that it is one of it
was going to be one of the worst movies I've
ever seen in my life. Fine it, Yes, fine, I

(01:31:44):
would say a punch up on the jokes and then
minutes and do you know what. I would actually get
rid of the Leonardo DiCaprio character because it was all
about his impotent rage, which was expected, like that's the
thing we don't want from it at a McKay movie.
Whereas if it was just about the Jennifer Lawrence character,
I think it would have been a little less hitting
you over the head. Yeah, Like had it been character

(01:32:04):
more sorry when he came in at two hours and
forty five minutes into the movie. I was like, we
can't do this because you know, he's going to require
a screen time, Like I can't, I'm done. But like,
had it been about her as a student maybe trying
to convince her department and convinced, like had it been
about her singular mission to convince the larger populist that

(01:32:26):
this was something to um, you know, maybe it would
have felt more based in character and less based in
like isn't everyone in the world stupid? Because Bones at
a very really good point, which is that was so
cynical about the cynicism, that just contributed to the cynicism.
It was like that the satire thing of like if
it doesn't have a clear object or target, than like
it just contributes to the thing that it's trying to. Like,

(01:32:48):
what it was missing was an actual mission of a
protagonist and any heart in it, you know what I mean,
Like that futile and Leo's character was only there as
a way to like have these characters access like news
media and the president and all this stuff like that
was the I guess, I guess that's the only reason
why Leo's character existed in that movie. Yeah, well, sorry,

(01:33:10):
I didn't mean to bring up like a mean Listen.
I actually love that we barely touched on it, because
maybe that means it won't win. Some people are saying
it is best Picture. Absolutely not well, I mean we've
seen low rated movies like by critics. Honestly, no when
parisite wins Best Picture, I don't think you can have
a year where don't look up when's best Picture. Personally,
that being said, green Book did win, I'm which is weird.

(01:33:31):
You know what, though people did not like Roma, whereas
I'm not really hearing the blowback about Drive my Car
or Power of the Dog. I think Driving my Car
could be one to watch. I see it. Anyways, Wow,
what full fucking five episode of Lost Culture? Amazing did
not disappoint. He's pointing at me, thank you so much

(01:33:52):
for coming. I couldn't have had a better time. So
excited to be here. Oh my god? O end every
so with the song Dude do Do Do Do do
the biggest pop dude do do? What good if this
was like a gay song like do do Dude Do do?

(01:34:16):
Tea cloud dancer makes coming up? Oh my god, we
didn't even talk about Shery shepherds filling for Wendy bolliums
by Yeah, Wendy Williams is out Charry Shepherd isn't anyway
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